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Good evening, everybody. This is September 2nd, 2026. We are the landmarks commission. This is the city of Wakashon. I'd like to call this meeting to order. I'll start with a roll call to my left with Marty.

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Marty.

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Marty Larson.

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Linda Gordo.

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Andrew Dronthes.

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Carmen Delapaz.

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Mike Christine.

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Matt Redsack.

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Tony Lanzza.

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Perfect.

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And we're going to move on to public comment and go ahead, we're going to get a public comment

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for the Springs Committee.

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If you could state your address and your name please for the record.

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Bob Selb, 434 Madison Street.

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It is spring's committee seems defonged, but just bring it up as far as the springs.

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I didn't see anything and any notifications of any fall spring cleanup.

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I know there wasn't a spring cleanup.

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And Menisca is very much disrepair, finally after revision surgery is able to go down there and

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see what it looked like.

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There's trees across the pathway, there's sludge down at the bottom of the spring.

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And so it would require a volunteer time to clean it up.

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And so I'm more posing to question if there's not going to be a sanctioned landmark springs fall clean up that I would arrange to get volunteers to get that cleaned up.

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So I don't know if that's something I have to get permission from, sign waivers.

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I know I've done a lot of stuff myself over the years, but I'd probably get a volunteer base using a social media that I'm using called spring keepers to keep up on stuff like that and keep advocacy for.

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or a historical knowledge base for it and doing that.

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So kind of an open question, possibly to Charlie.

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Like, if I do a volunteer spring cleanup,

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we do have a group that's planning to come.

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You either plan it?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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It's not a public.

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Yeah.

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It's a group that's able to do it.

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Okay.

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So let's stick to the public comment for this one

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and then we can bring it up later at the end of the meeting

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when we actually have it on that part of the agenda.

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But I appreciate everything that you do, Bob, so much.

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And if we do decide that we would love to get your help,

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we will certainly reach out to you, I promise.

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Thank you.

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And we'll discuss it further later on in the agenda.

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Thank you, Bob.

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OK.

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Anybody else here for public comment?

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OK.

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So we are moving on to approval for minutes,

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and I'm looking for a motion, please.

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I'll make a motion to approve the minutes as listed on the agenda.

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And a second.

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I'll second.

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Perfect.

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We'll vote.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Item number 2, 6, 0, 4, 2, 2, 3.

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Meeting minutes of August 5th, 2026 have been approved.

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Moving on to the landmarks commission paint and repair grant funds, Charlie is going to give us a summary.

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This is item number 26-04258 and we have a interesting conundrum that we shall deal with after Charlie explains it to us.

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All right, so as you know, the Lamar Expression Pain Repair Grants are typically approved on an increasing scale, roughly 15% of the cost of a project, up to $3,000 max.

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And Lamar Expression may use discretion to change award amounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability, which is important for tonight and any other circumstances.

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So for 2026 we had an initial grant fund approval of $25,000 and all of the 2025 projects have been completed so that the 2025 funds have all been allocated and so far for this year you've approved grants totaling $21,777 and $0.50 and that leaves $3,222.

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dollars and $0.50 available and of course the approvals need to be conditional on approval

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from Marksley County and the SHIPO compliance.

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So here are all of the grants that have been approved for 2026 so there have been 13

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total so far and there are three on the agenda for tonight, 321 South Hardwell, 308 McCall

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Street and 1222 East Broadway.

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And as you can see from the amounts, the grant amounts, the applications, the guideline amounts exceed the available funds.

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If you were to give the guideline amounts for those grants, you would be at $6,141, which is almost twice the $3,222 grants of the amount that we have available. If you were to just follow the straight first-come-first serve basis, you'd probably give $3,000 to $321 South-Hartwell. And then the remaining $222.50.

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And that would be it for the grants, I certainly wouldn't recommend doing that in the past, typically when we've come to the end of the grant allocation, anybody that's on the agenda of the Lamar Expressionist is trying to give some money to.

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So I've kind of come up with a couple of options that you could consider.

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And I would recommend probably going through all the certificates of appropriateness before you review the grants and I feel like it would just be better to have an understanding of the amounts.

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So option one is if you basically took that total of project cost estimates that we've received of $90,000 for the three of them and then you took the amount of each of the grants, what proportion they are of that total and applied that to $3,2222.

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So then you get $2,480 for 321 South Heartwell,

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214 for 308 McCall in 527 for 1222 East Broadway.

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Obviously, 321 South Heartwell is a very large project.

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And typically, we have the maximum grant of $3,000,

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which that would, 15% of that would be $20,000, so option two is kind of taking that $20,000 as like the maximum that would be considered in the grant amount and just applying the proportional, applying it proportionally to that amount.

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So basically replacing the $70,000 for $321 salt heart well with $20,000 and using that proportion.

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So for that you get $1,500 roughly for $321 salt heart well, $476 for three away in the call,

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and $1222 east Broadway for $1171 for $1222 east Broadway.

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So option three, 321 South-Hartwell, the project is, I have a recommendation of approval,

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but a portion of that project is not necessarily within what would be the ideal, what would

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be recommended for a historic project, so this would be saying, if through AMR

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submissions that we do not want to give grant money for that work, then basically the

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other two projects, you could round to the nearest 50 and then end the remaining 2250

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on the 12-22 East Broadway. So that would be just kind of dividing up what's left among

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in those two. And then option four is reducing those two to 10% of their estimated cost.

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So that's about $600 for 308 McCall Street and 1488 for 1222 East Broadway. And then

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giving the remainder to 321 South Hartwell because certainly a portion of the work that's being

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done for 321 South-Hart Well is does fall within the typical guidelines for the landmark

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transmission.

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So, those are the four options that I've kind of come up with, you know, in discussion

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with the applicants, you might end up with, and amongst yourselves, you might end up with

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something different.

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But I wanted to kind of give you some ideas for ways to allocate the money.

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I would say if you wanted a recommendation, I would probably think option four is the

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most appropriate. But that's something that you guys will have to consider. And again,

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I would recommend going through all of the certificates of appropriateness first.

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That's now how we have it on the agenda. So you'll have to rearrange things. Oh, but

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keen. Okay. So first of all, I just want to make

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sure that we're all in agreement that we should see the scope of the work before we give

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the grants out so that, and I'm sorry that that means some of you're going to have to hang

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out a little bit longer, but I think if that makes the most sense.

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Everybody good with that? Okay, so we'll do that, so we'll hear everybody's case, see the projects, and then we'll come back to the grants once we have the scope of the work within each one. Good? Perfect. Moving on to new business, item number 2604224, the Landmarks Commission Certificate of Appropriateness for 321 South Heartwell Avenue. We're going to review a request to replace siding.

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a flat roof and storm windows on the non-historic rear-attached garage.

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All right, so this is 321 South Heartwell Avenue.

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It's on the east side of Heartwell Avenue in the Capel's Park historic district.

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It's just to the south of New Hall Avenue there.

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And this is the Virginia frame house, which was built in 1938 and has colonial revival architecture.

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And the applicant believes that the house was built for a granddaughter of Andrew frame.

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As you can see, it has a stone siding on the front facade and the applicant does not plan to make any alterations to that.

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but there is wood siding on the sides.

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As you can see there, which is not in bad condition,

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but certainly would need a paint job or some kind of repair work,

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and then also on the rear, and that includes an attached garage,

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which the applicant believes is not historic.

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There are some houses in the Capel's Park Historic District

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that have similar attached garages.

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The applicant believes that this one is not historic,

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but there is wood siding on all of those sides of the house.

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And the applicant would like to replace the wood siding

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with LP smart side, composite siding.

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They have a state that they'll use the smooth siding,

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So it would have, wouldn't have a false wood grain texture, so it would look, have a look

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that's closer to the wood siding, and then the dimensions of the new siding would match

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the existing siding.

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There might be some new corner boards, I believe, from the estimate that there might be some

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corner boards along that rear section of the house.

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So this is a rear, rear in sides of the house that would be replaced, and again, they're

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going to match the dimensions.

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There's also a, on the garage, there's sort of a, there's a flat roof and a small section

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of shingles.

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They would be replacing both the roof and the shingles.

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The shingles will match the shingles on the house.

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and then the roof will be replaced to be properly waterproof and they would plan to replace

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the gutters and down spouts on the garage as well. Those are currently case style gutters

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so they would be replaced with standard case style gutters to match with 6 inch rather

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than five inch size. So there would just be a little bit larger but they would match the existing

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and then several of the windows both on the garage and also on the front of the house have

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storms which they would like to replace with a combination storm and screen. And they have also

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noted on the application, there are some shutters throughout the house, those would be removed

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and potentially replaced if the landmark submission feels that's appropriate.

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So that's something we've had discussion on recently and some of their houses that the

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Shatters are not appropriate, I'm not sure in this style, the colonial revival, they

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might be more common, but maybe could be sized a little differently, or landmarks

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mission might feel that they're not appropriate to replace.

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So this was the estimate that was provided, it has a detailed kind of rundown of all the

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work that's being done.

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and then, so again, it's just summarized, they're replacing the existing wood

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signing on the sides of the rear with new LP smart side. The new signing will

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be smooth and will match the dimensions. So because of that, because

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Let's decide in the rear because it's matching the dimensions that staff recommendation is to approve it. Even though that isn't something that would necessarily be an ideal replacement. And then repairing the, the south gable windows, replacing the lower storm windows with combination storm and screen, replacing the front cornerboards, and replacing the flag garage roof and shingle sections. The new shingle

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will match the roof shingles and the garage roof will be a standard flat roof and replacing the gutters and downspouts and adjacent to the garage with K-style 6-inch drive them 5-inch.

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Great. Thank you. Could we have the homeowner please step up and join us and state your name and your address please.

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Hi. Good evening. Good evening. Welcome. Thank you. My name is Bill Kersh.

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Address is 321 South Hartwell as you probably guessed already so.

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Perfect. Is there anything else that you'd like to add to what Charlie already stated today?

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I would like to just add that I do not know if the garage is historical.

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When we first moved in we went to the historical society and they had no records of this house.

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no pictures or anything to tell us what it originally looked like so it could

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have been polka dot for all I know but probably not. I do know the garage is old

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and it is in the same style the paneling or sighting is in the same style as

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the rest of the house so I also know that it really desperately needs a new roof

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And so that's all I really want to add to that.

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Perfect, thank you.

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Anybody have any questions?

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Marty?

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Did you say what year it was built?

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37.

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I think 237.

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So they had cars back then, so maybe they had a garage.

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Quite well, yes.

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There's a little milk chute in the breezeway behind between the house and the garage.

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that is we've we've kept on as part of the historic part of it I mean

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to me it

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feels like that garage was if not original shortly after with that door that

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exits out the second floor door I mean that right is not a new door either so

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you know maybe there was a railing around the top of it at some time you see that

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kind of answered with a railing if that was you know someone's some deck or

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something but I mean I don't know how that informs our decision today but

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but it feels like it could have been original.

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And how do you feel about the shutters?

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I think two shutters on a single window

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is a great start.

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I mean, proportionally, again, it kind of repeat

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from last month, if there are new shutters going on,

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just sizing them appropriately,

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if they were to close, they could cover those windows.

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I think feels architecturally correct.

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Yeah, I was thinking just no shutters at all

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because they're very hard to secure on the stone facing.

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Sure.

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We welcome that.

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Okay.

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Just because exactly what was just mentioned is that

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shudders when they close should look like they're going to cover the

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hat. The window.

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Be functional.

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Exactly.

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Even if they're decorative and will never be shut.

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And so that is what makes them out of step with the house.

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Okay.

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Tell. Good. I had a question regarding the door that would go to the top of the garage.

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I guess if you're going to keep the door and people are going to go out there,

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I'll be the time to make sure that if you are doing something with that garage roof,

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that I'm assuming people would want to walk there or put some kind of furniture on it

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or get rid of the door inside over it. That's your decision.

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But just if you have people walking on your roof, make sure it's structurally sound, you know, it's my elite.

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Well, yeah, we're definitely going to make it structurally sound there. Mr. Angler, we'll see to that.

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The, I believe that's one reason the garage was made the way it was and not a steeper angle because they wanted access to the door and the windows on the backside, but I don't know.

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What's the code on height and railing?

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I think that that's a building inspector enforcement thing probably, but yeah, I mean right now it doesn't meet code.

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The city would say put a-

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The railing is 36,

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but once you go over the height of 31 inches or something like that, you're required for safety reasons to have a railing. I'm just warning you, in case you get an inspector out there, that might be something that if you want to have access to that space, you're going to be in a situation where you're going to have to put a railing in.

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Yeah, just to be aware that's our job or the door becomes a window. Yeah, or the door just gets closed

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That may come up. Okay, any

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other questions?

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All right. I'm looking for a motion

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For approval of the COA anybody

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I'll make the motion to approve the COA for 321 self-heartwell

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For the replacement of sighting, the flat roof, the storm windows, that's really an amazing job that you're going to do.

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So I'll make a motion for that.

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Can I tack on to that any motion?

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Yes.

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Just that if we're removing the shutters that they would stay removed then.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So then I'll second.

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I.

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I.

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I.

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Great. You're approved.

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Thank you very much all of you.

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Thank you so much.

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We'll circle back on the brand.

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You have part two, I guess.

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Yeah, part two coming up.

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After these messages, I'm kidding.

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Yes, please.

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And thank you.

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Be comfortable.

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All right. Moving on to item number two six zero four two four zero.

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Federal Landmarks Commission Certificate of Appropriateness for 308 McCall Street, we're

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going to review a consultation request to repaint Wood Trim sections.

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All right, three away McCall Street is in the McCall Street Historic District.

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It's on the north side of McCall Street right between Charles and Jane Streets and this

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This is the Frank Lyman and Walter and Jesse Sleephouse, which was originally built in

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1880 with Italian 8 style.

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And it was extensively remodeled in the 1930s.

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So if the style is not considered to be a hybrid of Italian 8 and Georgian revival, and

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the house is considered to be one of the pivotal houses to the McCall Street district.

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or a district.

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And as you can see, it mostly has brick sighting,

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but there are some wood trim sections, both in the door

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in this sunroom area.

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And then the window frames and window trim,

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and then also the soffits and fascia throughout the house.

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And the applicant would like to replace repaint

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Just those wood sections and with some, maybe some wood repair in a few spots like that section that's pictured there.

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So those will all be repainted. The color will match the existing. Some of the first floor portions will be completed by the owners.

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And then the paint purchase was done by the owners and the contractor will do the remaining work and include in the upper story sections.

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And this is a consultation request since it's just it wouldn't need to come for approval except that they are applying for a pay and repair grant.

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Perfect.

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Great. If the homeowner could join us, please up front and state your name and your address please for the record.

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Thank you.

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Ellis, Flores, 308 McCall Street.

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Is there anything else you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated today?

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No, I think he covered it.

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He does a good job, doesn't he?

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He does.

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We love Charlie.

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Better pictures than I do.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Does anybody have any questions?

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Marty?

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It was just about the wood rot.

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It areas that they would obviously just mimic the same thing in replacing the stuff that's bad.

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What was that?

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The wood rot that we see here.

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Oh, that side was never completed, so that has to be the part.

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That needs to be completed on that, on the second story, fascia and eaves. And it will be identical to what's already there. So it'll look just like a repair as opposed to a change. And those shutters are coming down. Okay. The bats like to live behind them. Wow.

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There were a lot of shutters all around the house and the other ones have been removed, but these hadn't quite been removed yet. Okay. Great. Any other questions? It's a great house.

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We love it, beautiful house, we love the house.

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Alrighty, so I'm looking for a motion for this COA, please.

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Second.

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Thank you.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Perfect, you're approved?

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Well, not, you've already been approved, but

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now you qualify for a paint repair grant.

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So, thank you.

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Give us a couple seconds and we'll get right back to that.

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Thank you.

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Okay moving on to item 2604241 landmarks commission sorry sorry take it that

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back take it back we're moving ahead one to item 2604256 landmarks

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submission certificate appropriateness for one two two one two two two east

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broadway, we're going to review or request to replace the garage door and repair several

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windows.

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Alright, so this is 1222 East Broadway. It is in the East Broadway historic district. It's

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on the north side of Broadway between Frederick Street and Porter Avenue, just to the southeast

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of Buckner Park. This is the Edward Porter George B. Harris House, which was built in

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In 1870, and this house was also went through a substantial renovation in 1908 and 1930.

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I believe George Harris was the owner for one of those later renovations.

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So it has English revival style architecture.

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And as you can see, it has a detached garage which is behind the house and is about 200 feet

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back I believe from East Broadway and the applicant liked to replace the garage doors.

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This was a situation where the existing garage door was contracted determined that it

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was unsafe so we did grant an emergency C-8, it had start the work of replacing them early

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so they had been removed.

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here's a this is a Google Street View photo from what it was before it was

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removed this was a wood garage door that was sort of a blank white wood or

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the solid white wood door this was not original it was from the 1970s the

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new garage. As you can see, this is a historic photo from, if not, the period of historic

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significance from closer to it. As you can see, the garage doors at that time had windows

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along the top section. So the applicant who is Tony Landsat would like to replace the garage

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with a new aluminum garage door, and with windows to match the ones that were originally there.

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So he was considering some different options for windows and to match the historic, historic photos.

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he had selected the Stockton style. So this is the of those options. This is

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it's a square window to match that photo to match the ones that were in that

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photo. And then along with the windows on the detached garage there is an

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additional attached garage which in this case is definitely not historic. That is a

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later addition, and it's also not visible at all from the public street, so you'd like

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to replace that garage door as well.

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And then along with replacing the garage doors, there are several windows, specifically

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on a storm and the interior on this side.

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So, here's the exterior, the storm door, and then the interior has some leaded glass windows. So, the storm window pane needs to be replaced. As you can see from the covering there. And then the leaded glass on the interior needs some repairs. And then there are some storms throughout the house, which also needs some repairs as well.

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So those will be repaired rather than replaced.

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And there are some sections that need replacement class,

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but the windows themselves will be replaced to match the existing.

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So they're replacing the garage doors.

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New doors will be aluminum panels with stacked and window style.

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And then repairing the round top storm windows and then also some double hung windows.

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Those in the storm door window insert will be replaced and then the door panel will

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be repaired as well.

348
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Great.

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Thank you, Charlie.

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Do we have the homeowner here?

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Yeah.

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That's you.

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All right.

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Well, I guess you better go up the other way.

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If

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you could please state your name and address for the record, please.

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Tony Lanzo, 1222 East Broadway.

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Awesome.

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Is there anything else you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated?

360
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The garage was actually already been replaced.

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They were, like he had mentioned, the one cable snapped, and the guy had said that they're

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so old that they actually didn't deem them safe.

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And so he said, I wouldn't even, and then the small carriage house door, he said, I wouldn't

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even operate it.

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So then that's where I was like, I just need to get these ordered ASAP.

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So the carriage house doors to that historic picture that he shared, that's why we picked

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those stocked in windows to kind of give it to resemble the look of that.

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And then the one on the tax garage as you mentioned is not historical by nature at all, so then we just did no windows on that one.

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Okay. Anybody else have any questions?

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Nope.

371
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Okay. I'm looking for a motion for the COA of this project.

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Let's just cut to the case. I'm not going to beg. I'm going to put up a

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I propose to approve landmarks item 2604241, I'm sorry, I did it again.

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Landmarked submission, certificate of appropriate, as for one, two east broadway.

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And I suggest we approve as stated in the request.

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Do I have a second?

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Second?

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Second?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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You are approved.

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Thank you.

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And there is no favoritism there, I promise.

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OK.

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Moving on.

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Now we've got everything done, right?

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So now we get to go back.

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Perfect.

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Before we start, I just want to, Charlie,

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can you please put up that lovely little chart

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that you had with all of the, yes, the options.

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Thank you.

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So, and just to get any comments, feedback right now before we go down the road.

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And I do have, I could break out the, you know, at least for two of the three, it's kind

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of broken out a little bit, so I could explain that if you'd like.

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The

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one for three to one heartwell, I'm assuming is one that you have it broken down, seeing

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that the cost was $70,000 and you said not everything there was.

401
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I didn't have it broken out beforehand, but the applicants might be able to provide some detail on that.

402
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I think we want to know what you're basing the 1-1-2-8, the 1-5-7-4, based on that 70, like what's the ratio with that, right?

403
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Yeah, so what would be part of the painting repair grant?

404
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:36,790
Yeah, so I guess basically the idea was the LP smart side siding would not be replacing wood siding would not be with LP smart side would not be something that's considered to be ideal for a historic house.

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In this case, it was rear siding and they're matching, they're following all the other guidelines.

406
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but that's something that you know in some other cases the landmarks mission has said we don't want to give full grants or you know give a grant at all in some cases when there when there's work that's being done that wouldn't be what's

407
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I feel ideal. The rest of it all meets all of the guidelines, you know, as far as- So the guidelines that are being met, does the option two or option four dollar a month that you have listed bit with the dollar a month that you're facing the- It wasn't faced criteria. It wasn't broken out for those options. So that's if the applicant has, has some detail, then you might want to-

408
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you know, we might want to divide it out a little differently for the proportions.

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The option one proportion, I just took 70,000,

410
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6,000, 59, 14,000, 885. Each of those were the proportion of 90,000 of the total of the three

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and then fly that to 3,222, so I think 70,000 was something like 70% of that total and then the

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other ones were a smaller amount. Option two, I just replaced that 70,000 with the 20,000 because

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that would be sort of the maximum that would be considered for a typical grant and did the same thing.

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And then option four, I reduced the other two, three o'8

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and call in 1222 East Broadway to 10% of the estimated cost.

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And then the remainder that was left over of that 3,222 just applied to 321 South-Hartwell.

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can I throw a wrench in there? My estimate, so my

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tath garage has no historical significance, and then it has like the lift

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masters in there and things like that. So I took out that $3,050 from there. So

420
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I actually, I would say my historical total would be $11,835 versus what's on

421
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there just more for knowing that those things are not historical and I don't

422
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I think receiving anything for a garage opener would be fair.

423
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That's honest, thank you.

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So hopefully you have your spreadsheet open and ready to adjust.

425
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I'll talk to you soon.

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And I do think the applicant for 321 Salt Heartwell

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might be able to provide a little bit more detail on the breaking it down a little bit more.

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If you'd like to hear that.

429
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:47,040
Here's a question.

430
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if we deduct the amount that Tony just said right that would lower his amount and then can we take

431
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whatever that is left over and divide it up between the other two people so that would be right yeah

432
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that would be something I could pull this virtually back up yeah put those numbers in there and make

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computer do the word.

434
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And thank you Tony.

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There's 11,0835 if I said that.

436
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So that

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reduced some of them. I

438
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think I would have to put it into here also.

439
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Yeah this

440
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is going to be very confusing.

441
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:48,310
I'm making your work Charlie, huh? Yes.

442
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Everybody

443
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But he's staring at you.

444
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Yes.

445
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While he's doing that, is there an option that makes the most sense?

446
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I like option four, just most equitable, you know what I mean? We always like to give more percentages, but that just feels like the numbers make it worth it for the homeowners, you know what I'm saying? In my mind. I agree with option four as presented, how the numbers are being adjusted.

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did unless some other applicant wanted to withdraw their application.

448
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They got approval for their project, but if they did not wish to receive funds that would help others as well.

449
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,140
But if that's not an option, I'm still going to stick with option four, thank you.

450
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,940
I'm just curious to see how that changes the numbers.

451
00:40:54,940 --> 00:41:01,240
So it's not difference is 305 if you divide that by two W152 50 if you're going to split that equally

452
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,060
between

453
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,260
Heartwell and McCall that's you'd add 150 250 to each of those

454
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:07,560
so

455
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:16,130
Oops,

456
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,960
it's also harder to do on this one then

457
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:30,770
desktop computer so

458
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,200
that would bring

459
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,340
That would bring it up to

460
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:05,640
to 1,850 to that last column. So then it totals it up. So we get that, yeah, to make

461
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Sure, there are three, two, two, 50.

462
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:19,050
I want to summon this one.

463
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:33,500
Yeah, so that would add up to 3,222 and 50.

464
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:33,980
Perfect.

465
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Thank you.

466
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,100
So what do we think about this?

467
00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:45,930
Does that look better to everybody?

468
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:53,340
Okay, if somebody could give me a, yeah.

469
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:55,580
Just let's suggest which one ever you want.

470
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,840
Okay, I make recommendation to approve

471
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:07,280
move the option 4, except now it's option 5.

472
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,160
Yeah, it was option 5 on this.

473
00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:13,880
Do you want us to do each one, or do you want us to do what your numbers are?

474
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,680
Read each one for the agenda, please.

475
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,800
Okay, thank you.

476
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:30,820
So, approving 4, 3, 2, 1, south, heartwell, 1280.60, 4308, McCall, 758.4,

477
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,640
We'll just stick with the 321 South Heartwell for 1280-60.

478
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,320
I'll second.

479
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:46,110
Aye.

480
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:46,950
Aye.

481
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:48,530
Aye.

482
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:48,890
Aye.

483
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:49,450
Aye.

484
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:49,550
Aye.

485
00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:50,170
Aye.

486
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:50,190
Aye.

487
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:50,630
Aye.

488
00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:53,710
Aye.

489
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:55,670
Aye.

490
00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:55,950
Aye.

491
00:43:58,930 --> 00:43:59,210
Aye.

492
00:43:59,210 --> 00:44:00,350
Just looks cleaner.

493
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:13,020
Perfect, so thank you, three, two, one, south, heart, well, you get the amount that was just stated.

494
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:14,560
Thank you.

495
00:44:16,860 --> 00:44:18,280
And then the next one, please.

496
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:20,660
Back to the sheet, Charlie.

497
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:30,280
So that was 758, oh yeah, we have to wait for the $758.40 was for 308 McCall Street.

498
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:40,300
Okay, so I'll make a motion to approve 758-404-308 McCall Street.

499
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,180
Second.

500
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:49,890
Aye.

501
00:44:51,010 --> 00:44:52,010
Aye.

502
00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:53,850
Aye.

503
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:54,310
Aye.

504
00:44:54,310 --> 00:44:54,390
Aye.

505
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:55,130
Aye.

506
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:55,790
Okay, that's it.

507
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,740
Perfect. Approved. 4308, McCall Street, whatever that amount that was just on the screen that I cannot retain the number, it's yours. Thank you. Okay,

508
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:32,160
the last one that I could not retain the number on. For one, two, two East Broadway, I make a motion to approve the 12, 83, 50, was it? No, 11, 83, 350. 11, 83, 50. What was listed?

509
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:35,540
There we go, 11, 8, 350, I was perfect.

510
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,420
Second.

511
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:40,410
Aye.

512
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:41,290
Aye.

513
00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:42,610
Aye.

514
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:43,070
Aye.

515
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:44,210
I'm staying.

516
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:55,090
And I'd just like to put an umbrella to that, that for all of those, those paint repair grants are based on SHIPO approval on the back end, which we need to state.

517
00:45:55,450 --> 00:45:59,390
Thank you, and welcome to tell you on the specific COA.

518
00:45:59,570 --> 00:45:59,850
Thank you.

519
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:10,780
So, thank you all very much for your patience on having to wait for us to go through that, but it just made the most sense.

520
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:14,860
Great, so we're going to move on to the Alderman's report.

521
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:16,760
Excellent.

522
00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:18,120
Thank you.

523
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,060
Hopefully those in the city of Waukeshaw are like the visit city of Waukeshaw.

524
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:24,120
Got their parks and wreck guide.

525
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:28,140
There's a lot of things coming up just about every weekend in parks and October fest.

526
00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:37,360
And I always mentioned walk a show unlocked and that is I think the 10th and the 11th or no, the 10th, yeah, the 10th, the 11th of walk a show.

527
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:42,740
So check the website, check your favorite local business or church, it may be on it.

528
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,060
Thank you to tack on to that.

529
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:45,780
Yes.

530
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:54,340
October Fest is always looking for volunteers and they get free something, you know, is what I saw.

531
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:55,300
So maybe you know more.

532
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:56,220
Thank you, Marty.

533
00:46:56,220 --> 00:47:04,040
Check with April on the Park and Rec, she sends out her emails if you're not in April's email, volunteer list.

534
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,320
Check out April, she'll send you monthly opportunities to volunteer throughout the city, thank you.

535
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:13,980
Perfect, thank you, and we're going to move on to the spring support.

536
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:20,120
And Charlie, now I guess it would be a good time to address what was brought up for public comment at the top of the meeting.

537
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:38,860
So we do not have, what we've had in the past sometimes is we will just put out a sign-up request for kind of anybody to come help out with the springs, and we'll typically get groups of, you know, five or six people.

538
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,640
that will help with the cleanup.

539
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:46,420
This year, Tony has a group that he's worked with

540
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:53,120
and he has volunteered to come help out in early October,

541
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,020
so that would be prior to,

542
00:47:56,940 --> 00:47:58,580
prior to the walk-in-on locked,

543
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,860
so there would be enough time to get that done.

544
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:08,780
And certainly with this group of vast majority

545
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:15,960
of the work that needs to be done will be on meniscus spring, and that would include both the

546
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,780
cleaning up inside the spring base and itself, and then we

547
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,180
believe we'll be able to get the parks department to drop off

548
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:32,580
woodchips to lay down on the path, so there'd be some clean up and laying down the woodchips, and hopefully there are some trees that are

549
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,060
across the path currently.

550
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:45,160
the Forestry Department will clear those trees, so I have a request into them to hopefully get that done ahead of time.

551
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:57,040
So that all should be done depending on availability and need mostly on whether how much the leaves have fallen by that point.

552
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,600
We might also have them do some raking and cleaning at Hobos Spring as well.

553
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,520
But that should all be done ahead of the walkish unlock tours.

554
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,000
We don't have a date with Tony's group yet for that.

555
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:20,900
We had, yeah, it's either the October 5th or October 7th, we're just kind of both of them are open, so it just depends on whether.

556
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:23,440
So you have myself.

557
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:27,620
Well, yeah, we'll have a meeting before that next month.

558
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:28,800
Well, no.

559
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,980
Yeah, next, October 7th, I think, is the first one, so it would be.

560
00:49:33,980 --> 00:49:39,700
okay maybe either way probably your handle in it awesome thank you so much for

561
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:46,120
doing that great so the other question I have yes did I have it I just lost

562
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:53,780
it at all it's like I couldn't remember the numbers we're all good no do we have

563
00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:57,280
a list of the springs that are gonna be on the springs tour so that they make

564
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,980
Make sure they hit all those springs to make sure they're all right.

565
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,980
Well, so there are four springs on the tour. Acme is one of them and then Hobo. And then Silerian spring, that's, there isn't really, at Silerian, there isn't work that needs to be done outside. The inside, there's just some dust and kind of debris that the gathers on the floor of the spring house. I was planning to just go out there.

566
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:34,980
and do that on a weekday because that'll take 10 minutes to sweep it out.

567
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,320
Like, why does it act me and bring a blower?

568
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:39,620
Yeah.

569
00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:41,560
That might be an easier option.

570
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:43,080
It act me.

571
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:50,240
There's typically, there's a couple of beer cans in there from people who are having a party

572
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,460
down by the spring, I guess.

573
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:53,480
So I'll just go and clear those out.

574
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,700
Maybe we should do that.

575
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,080
There's a new concept party at the springs.

576
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,220
We can have our next meeting there.

577
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:06,200
As long as you don't leave glitter there.

578
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:07,220
No, we don't leave glitter.

579
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:09,240
We'll pick up our beer cans.

580
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:12,180
All right.

581
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,140
So that's the spring's report.

582
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,740
We will look forward to hearing what got done next month.

583
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,980
And then we're going to move on to the communications and publications, please.

584
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:22,760
All right.

585
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:26,680
So the only thing I have is as Alderman Cousin mentioned.

586
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:34,960
Walkers are unlocked, is October 10th and 11th, so be sure to come out and tour any of the sites that you would like to see.

587
00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:44,940
And the springs tour will be on the 11th, Marty and Carmen have both volunteered to help with leading the tour.

588
00:51:44,940 --> 00:51:50,340
We have a script that was developed by Julie Skarpagey, our former member and

589
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:57,580
Marilyn Hangerstrand, who is also a former landmark submission member from many years ago.

590
00:51:58,340 --> 00:52:08,680
And has contributed a lot of time to volunteering related to historic preservation in the city, has been on the springs committee.

591
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:16,180
and so they had developed a script, Julie is not able to do it to help with it this year

592
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:24,100
and Maryland, I think, has some mobility issues, so she, I haven't asked but maybe I will,

593
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:31,180
but typically we have three tours at 10 a.m. to noon and 2 p.m. on that Sunday.

594
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,460
Marty and Carmen had both said that they can help as much as we need.

595
00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:43,380
If there is anybody else who wants to help out, that would be greatly appreciated.

596
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:53,620
But otherwise we can, we can work, we can figure it out with between Marty and

597
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:54,220
Karen and myself.

598
00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:54,660
So,

599
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,920
if you would like to just let me know after her.

600
00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:08,150
So I just want to put a plug out to the public watching this.

601
00:53:08,290 --> 00:53:09,790
We could use volunteers.

602
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:16,170
Yes, if anybody happens to be watching this meeting and would like to volunteer, you're more than welcome.

603
00:53:16,550 --> 00:53:21,290
And can we get a coach bus with instead of the school bus?

604
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:22,790
It's typically a school bus.

605
00:53:24,210 --> 00:53:28,400
Is there anything else that you have for your?

606
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:29,580
That's all I have for.

607
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:30,520
Okay, perfect.

608
00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:31,840
So thank you everybody.

609
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:32,940
This meeting is adjourned.

610
00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:34,820
Thank you.