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[0:00] Good evening, everybody. This is September 2nd, 2026. We are the landmarks commission. This is the city of Wakashon. I'd like to call this meeting to order. I'll start with a roll call to my left with Marty.
[0:14] Marty.
[0:15] Marty Larson.
[0:16] Linda Gordo.
[0:19] Andrew Dronthes.
[0:20] Carmen Delapaz.
[0:22] Mike Christine.
[0:23] Matt Redsack.
[0:24] Tony Lanzza.
[0:25] Perfect.
[0:26] And we're going to move on to public comment and go ahead, we're going to get a public comment
[0:33] for the Springs Committee.
[0:35] If you could state your address and your name please for the record.
[0:38] Bob Selb, 434 Madison Street.
[0:42] It is spring's committee seems defonged, but just bring it up as far as the springs.
[0:46] I didn't see anything and any notifications of any fall spring cleanup.
[0:50] I know there wasn't a spring cleanup.
[0:53] And Menisca is very much disrepair, finally after revision surgery is able to go down there and
[1:00] see what it looked like.
[1:01] There's trees across the pathway, there's sludge down at the bottom of the spring.
[1:05] And so it would require a volunteer time to clean it up.
[1:08] And so I'm more posing to question if there's not going to be a sanctioned landmark springs fall clean up that I would arrange to get volunteers to get that cleaned up.
[1:20] So I don't know if that's something I have to get permission from, sign waivers.
[1:24] I know I've done a lot of stuff myself over the years, but I'd probably get a volunteer base using a social media that I'm using called spring keepers to keep up on stuff like that and keep advocacy for.
[1:37] or a historical knowledge base for it and doing that.
[1:42] So kind of an open question, possibly to Charlie.
[1:46] Like, if I do a volunteer spring cleanup,
[1:48] we do have a group that's planning to come.
[1:50] You either plan it?
[1:51] Yes.
[1:52] Okay.
[1:52] It's not a public.
[1:58] Yeah.
[1:58] It's a group that's able to do it.
[2:01] Okay.
[2:02] So let's stick to the public comment for this one
[2:04] and then we can bring it up later at the end of the meeting
[2:06] when we actually have it on that part of the agenda.
[2:09] But I appreciate everything that you do, Bob, so much.
[2:12] And if we do decide that we would love to get your help,
[2:15] we will certainly reach out to you, I promise.
[2:18] Thank you.
[2:19] And we'll discuss it further later on in the agenda.
[2:22] Thank you, Bob.
[2:24] OK.
[2:26] Anybody else here for public comment?
[2:29] OK.
[2:30] So we are moving on to approval for minutes,
[2:33] and I'm looking for a motion, please.
[2:35] I'll make a motion to approve the minutes as listed on the agenda.
[2:40] And a second.
[2:43] I'll second.
[2:44] Perfect.
[2:45] We'll vote.
[2:48] Aye.
[2:50] Aye.
[2:51] Aye.
[2:52] Aye.
[2:53] Aye.
[2:53] Aye.
[2:54] Item number 2, 6, 0, 4, 2, 2, 3.
[2:57] Meeting minutes of August 5th, 2026 have been approved.
[3:02] Moving on to the landmarks commission paint and repair grant funds, Charlie is going to give us a summary.
[3:09] This is item number 26-04258 and we have a interesting conundrum that we shall deal with after Charlie explains it to us.
[3:20] All right, so as you know, the Lamar Expression Pain Repair Grants are typically approved on an increasing scale, roughly 15% of the cost of a project, up to $3,000 max.
[3:38] And Lamar Expression may use discretion to change award amounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability, which is important for tonight and any other circumstances.
[3:52] So for 2026 we had an initial grant fund approval of $25,000 and all of the 2025 projects have been completed so that the 2025 funds have all been allocated and so far for this year you've approved grants totaling $21,777 and $0.50 and that leaves $3,222.
[4:19] dollars and $0.50 available and of course the approvals need to be conditional on approval
[4:24] from Marksley County and the SHIPO compliance.
[4:30] So here are all of the grants that have been approved for 2026 so there have been 13
[4:36] total so far and there are three on the agenda for tonight, 321 South Hardwell, 308 McCall
[4:45] Street and 1222 East Broadway.
[4:47] And as you can see from the amounts, the grant amounts, the applications, the guideline amounts exceed the available funds.
[5:00] If you were to give the guideline amounts for those grants, you would be at $6,141, which is almost twice the $3,222 grants of the amount that we have available. If you were to just follow the straight first-come-first serve basis, you'd probably give $3,000 to $321 South-Hartwell. And then the remaining $222.50.
[5:32] And that would be it for the grants, I certainly wouldn't recommend doing that in the past, typically when we've come to the end of the grant allocation, anybody that's on the agenda of the Lamar Expressionist is trying to give some money to.
[5:49] So I've kind of come up with a couple of options that you could consider.
[5:53] And I would recommend probably going through all the certificates of appropriateness before you review the grants and I feel like it would just be better to have an understanding of the amounts.
[6:11] So option one is if you basically took that total of project cost estimates that we've received of $90,000 for the three of them and then you took the amount of each of the grants, what proportion they are of that total and applied that to $3,2222.
[6:31] So then you get $2,480 for 321 South Heartwell,
[6:37] 214 for 308 McCall in 527 for 1222 East Broadway.
[6:47] Obviously, 321 South Heartwell is a very large project.
[6:52] And typically, we have the maximum grant of $3,000,
[6:57] which that would, 15% of that would be $20,000, so option two is kind of taking that $20,000 as like the maximum that would be considered in the grant amount and just applying the proportional, applying it proportionally to that amount.
[7:17] So basically replacing the $70,000 for $321 salt heart well with $20,000 and using that proportion.
[7:27] So for that you get $1,500 roughly for $321 salt heart well, $476 for three away in the call,
[7:34] and $1222 east Broadway for $1171 for $1222 east Broadway.
[7:42] So option three, 321 South-Hartwell, the project is, I have a recommendation of approval,
[7:52] but a portion of that project is not necessarily within what would be the ideal, what would
[8:04] be recommended for a historic project, so this would be saying, if through AMR
[8:12] submissions that we do not want to give grant money for that work, then basically the
[8:19] other two projects, you could round to the nearest 50 and then end the remaining 2250
[8:24] on the 12-22 East Broadway. So that would be just kind of dividing up what's left among
[8:31] in those two. And then option four is reducing those two to 10% of their estimated cost.
[8:42] So that's about $600 for 308 McCall Street and 1488 for 1222 East Broadway. And then
[8:53] giving the remainder to 321 South Hartwell because certainly a portion of the work that's being
[8:59] done for 321 South-Hart Well is does fall within the typical guidelines for the landmark
[9:06] transmission.
[9:07] So, those are the four options that I've kind of come up with, you know, in discussion
[9:12] with the applicants, you might end up with, and amongst yourselves, you might end up with
[9:16] something different.
[9:17] But I wanted to kind of give you some ideas for ways to allocate the money.
[9:23] I would say if you wanted a recommendation, I would probably think option four is the
[9:29] most appropriate. But that's something that you guys will have to consider. And again,
[9:34] I would recommend going through all of the certificates of appropriateness first.
[9:40] That's now how we have it on the agenda. So you'll have to rearrange things. Oh, but
[9:43] keen. Okay. So first of all, I just want to make
[9:47] sure that we're all in agreement that we should see the scope of the work before we give
[9:50] the grants out so that, and I'm sorry that that means some of you're going to have to hang
[9:55] out a little bit longer, but I think if that makes the most sense.
[10:00] Everybody good with that? Okay, so we'll do that, so we'll hear everybody's case, see the projects, and then we'll come back to the grants once we have the scope of the work within each one. Good? Perfect. Moving on to new business, item number 2604224, the Landmarks Commission Certificate of Appropriateness for 321 South Heartwell Avenue. We're going to review a request to replace siding.
[10:28] a flat roof and storm windows on the non-historic rear-attached garage.
[10:37] All right, so this is 321 South Heartwell Avenue.
[10:43] It's on the east side of Heartwell Avenue in the Capel's Park historic district.
[10:52] It's just to the south of New Hall Avenue there.
[10:54] And this is the Virginia frame house, which was built in 1938 and has colonial revival architecture.
[11:03] And the applicant believes that the house was built for a granddaughter of Andrew frame.
[11:12] As you can see, it has a stone siding on the front facade and the applicant does not plan to make any alterations to that.
[11:22] but there is wood siding on the sides.
[11:27] As you can see there, which is not in bad condition,
[11:33] but certainly would need a paint job or some kind of repair work,
[11:38] and then also on the rear, and that includes an attached garage,
[11:43] which the applicant believes is not historic.
[11:46] There are some houses in the Capel's Park Historic District
[11:49] that have similar attached garages.
[11:53] The applicant believes that this one is not historic,
[11:56] but there is wood siding on all of those sides of the house.
[12:01] And the applicant would like to replace the wood siding
[12:04] with LP smart side, composite siding.
[12:10] They have a state that they'll use the smooth siding,
[12:15] So it would have, wouldn't have a false wood grain texture, so it would look, have a look
[12:22] that's closer to the wood siding, and then the dimensions of the new siding would match
[12:29] the existing siding.
[12:33] There might be some new corner boards, I believe, from the estimate that there might be some
[12:42] corner boards along that rear section of the house.
[12:46] So this is a rear, rear in sides of the house that would be replaced, and again, they're
[12:53] going to match the dimensions.
[12:56] There's also a, on the garage, there's sort of a, there's a flat roof and a small section
[13:03] of shingles.
[13:05] They would be replacing both the roof and the shingles.
[13:07] The shingles will match the shingles on the house.
[13:10] and then the roof will be replaced to be properly waterproof and they would plan to replace
[13:19] the gutters and down spouts on the garage as well. Those are currently case style gutters
[13:27] so they would be replaced with standard case style gutters to match with 6 inch rather
[13:34] than five inch size. So there would just be a little bit larger but they would match the existing
[13:41] and then several of the windows both on the garage and also on the front of the house have
[13:50] storms which they would like to replace with a combination storm and screen. And they have also
[13:55] noted on the application, there are some shutters throughout the house, those would be removed
[14:05] and potentially replaced if the landmark submission feels that's appropriate.
[14:13] So that's something we've had discussion on recently and some of their houses that the
[14:19] Shatters are not appropriate, I'm not sure in this style, the colonial revival, they
[14:26] might be more common, but maybe could be sized a little differently, or landmarks
[14:33] mission might feel that they're not appropriate to replace.
[14:36] So this was the estimate that was provided, it has a detailed kind of rundown of all the
[14:43] work that's being done.
[14:45] and then, so again, it's just summarized, they're replacing the existing wood
[14:50] signing on the sides of the rear with new LP smart side. The new signing will
[14:55] be smooth and will match the dimensions. So because of that, because
[15:00] Let's decide in the rear because it's matching the dimensions that staff recommendation is to approve it. Even though that isn't something that would necessarily be an ideal replacement. And then repairing the, the south gable windows, replacing the lower storm windows with combination storm and screen, replacing the front cornerboards, and replacing the flag garage roof and shingle sections. The new shingle
[15:29] will match the roof shingles and the garage roof will be a standard flat roof and replacing the gutters and downspouts and adjacent to the garage with K-style 6-inch drive them 5-inch.
[15:49] Great. Thank you. Could we have the homeowner please step up and join us and state your name and your address please.
[16:00] Hi. Good evening. Good evening. Welcome. Thank you. My name is Bill Kersh.
[16:05] Address is 321 South Hartwell as you probably guessed already so.
[16:09] Perfect. Is there anything else that you'd like to add to what Charlie already stated today?
[16:14] I would like to just add that I do not know if the garage is historical.
[16:18] When we first moved in we went to the historical society and they had no records of this house.
[16:25] no pictures or anything to tell us what it originally looked like so it could
[16:31] have been polka dot for all I know but probably not. I do know the garage is old
[16:37] and it is in the same style the paneling or sighting is in the same style as
[16:42] the rest of the house so I also know that it really desperately needs a new roof
[16:48] And so that's all I really want to add to that.
[16:55] Perfect, thank you.
[16:56] Anybody have any questions?
[17:01] Marty?
[17:02] Did you say what year it was built?
[17:05] 37.
[17:06] I think 237.
[17:08] So they had cars back then, so maybe they had a garage.
[17:11] Quite well, yes.
[17:14] There's a little milk chute in the breezeway behind between the house and the garage.
[17:20] that is we've we've kept on as part of the historic part of it I mean
[17:28] to me it
[17:29] feels like that garage was if not original shortly after with that door that
[17:33] exits out the second floor door I mean that right is not a new door either so
[17:38] you know maybe there was a railing around the top of it at some time you see that
[17:41] kind of answered with a railing if that was you know someone's some deck or
[17:46] something but I mean I don't know how that informs our decision today but
[17:51] but it feels like it could have been original.
[17:55] And how do you feel about the shutters?
[17:59] I think two shutters on a single window
[18:01] is a great start.
[18:03] I mean, proportionally, again, it kind of repeat
[18:05] from last month, if there are new shutters going on,
[18:09] just sizing them appropriately,
[18:11] if they were to close, they could cover those windows.
[18:15] I think feels architecturally correct.
[18:19] Yeah, I was thinking just no shutters at all
[18:22] because they're very hard to secure on the stone facing.
[18:26] Sure.
[18:27] We welcome that.
[18:29] Okay.
[18:31] Just because exactly what was just mentioned is that
[18:35] shudders when they close should look like they're going to cover the
[18:38] hat. The window.
[18:40] Be functional.
[18:41] Exactly.
[18:42] Even if they're decorative and will never be shut.
[18:45] And so that is what makes them out of step with the house.
[18:49] Okay.
[18:49] Tell. Good. I had a question regarding the door that would go to the top of the garage.
[18:57] I guess if you're going to keep the door and people are going to go out there,
[19:01] I'll be the time to make sure that if you are doing something with that garage roof,
[19:06] that I'm assuming people would want to walk there or put some kind of furniture on it
[19:10] or get rid of the door inside over it. That's your decision.
[19:15] But just if you have people walking on your roof, make sure it's structurally sound, you know, it's my elite.
[19:22] Well, yeah, we're definitely going to make it structurally sound there. Mr. Angler, we'll see to that.
[19:31] The, I believe that's one reason the garage was made the way it was and not a steeper angle because they wanted access to the door and the windows on the backside, but I don't know.
[19:44] What's the code on height and railing?
[19:48] I think that that's a building inspector enforcement thing probably, but yeah, I mean right now it doesn't meet code.
[19:57] The city would say put a-
[20:03] The railing is 36,
[20:08] but once you go over the height of 31 inches or something like that, you're required for safety reasons to have a railing. I'm just warning you, in case you get an inspector out there, that might be something that if you want to have access to that space, you're going to be in a situation where you're going to have to put a railing in.
[20:28] Yeah, just to be aware that's our job or the door becomes a window. Yeah, or the door just gets closed
[20:35] That may come up. Okay, any
[20:43] other questions?
[20:47] All right. I'm looking for a motion
[20:50] For approval of the COA anybody
[20:59] I'll make the motion to approve the COA for 321 self-heartwell
[21:07] For the replacement of sighting, the flat roof, the storm windows, that's really an amazing job that you're going to do.
[21:17] So I'll make a motion for that.
[21:20] Can I tack on to that any motion?
[21:23] Yes.
[21:24] Just that if we're removing the shutters that they would stay removed then.
[21:29] Right.
[21:30] Yeah.
[21:33] So then I'll second.
[21:40] I.
[21:43] I.
[21:44] I.
[21:47] Great. You're approved.
[21:48] Thank you very much all of you.
[21:49] Thank you so much.
[21:50] We'll circle back on the brand.
[21:53] You have part two, I guess.
[21:54] Yeah, part two coming up.
[21:56] After these messages, I'm kidding.
[21:59] Yes, please.
[22:01] And thank you.
[22:01] Be comfortable.
[22:03] All right. Moving on to item number two six zero four two four zero.
[22:08] Federal Landmarks Commission Certificate of Appropriateness for 308 McCall Street, we're
[22:14] going to review a consultation request to repaint Wood Trim sections.
[22:20] All right, three away McCall Street is in the McCall Street Historic District.
[22:27] It's on the north side of McCall Street right between Charles and Jane Streets and this
[22:34] This is the Frank Lyman and Walter and Jesse Sleephouse, which was originally built in
[22:41] 1880 with Italian 8 style.
[22:44] And it was extensively remodeled in the 1930s.
[22:49] So if the style is not considered to be a hybrid of Italian 8 and Georgian revival, and
[22:56] the house is considered to be one of the pivotal houses to the McCall Street district.
[23:01] or a district.
[23:02] And as you can see, it mostly has brick sighting,
[23:06] but there are some wood trim sections, both in the door
[23:12] in this sunroom area.
[23:15] And then the window frames and window trim,
[23:21] and then also the soffits and fascia throughout the house.
[23:24] And the applicant would like to replace repaint
[23:28] Just those wood sections and with some, maybe some wood repair in a few spots like that section that's pictured there.
[23:38] So those will all be repainted. The color will match the existing. Some of the first floor portions will be completed by the owners.
[23:47] And then the paint purchase was done by the owners and the contractor will do the remaining work and include in the upper story sections.
[23:55] And this is a consultation request since it's just it wouldn't need to come for approval except that they are applying for a pay and repair grant.
[24:05] Perfect.
[24:06] Great. If the homeowner could join us, please up front and state your name and your address please for the record.
[24:12] Thank you.
[24:15] Ellis, Flores, 308 McCall Street.
[24:19] Is there anything else you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated today?
[24:22] No, I think he covered it.
[24:23] He does a good job, doesn't he?
[24:25] He does.
[24:26] We love Charlie.
[24:27] Better pictures than I do.
[24:31] Thank you.
[24:32] Thank you.
[24:33] Does anybody have any questions?
[24:37] Marty?
[24:38] It was just about the wood rot.
[24:41] It areas that they would obviously just mimic the same thing in replacing the stuff that's bad.
[24:50] What was that?
[24:51] The wood rot that we see here.
[24:53] Oh, that side was never completed, so that has to be the part.
[25:00] That needs to be completed on that, on the second story, fascia and eaves. And it will be identical to what's already there. So it'll look just like a repair as opposed to a change. And those shutters are coming down. Okay. The bats like to live behind them. Wow.
[25:19] There were a lot of shutters all around the house and the other ones have been removed, but these hadn't quite been removed yet. Okay. Great. Any other questions? It's a great house.
[25:31] We love it, beautiful house, we love the house.
[25:35] Alrighty, so I'm looking for a motion for this COA, please.
[25:54] Second.
[25:55] Thank you.
[25:58] Aye.
[26:00] Aye.
[26:01] Aye.
[26:02] Aye.
[26:03] Aye.
[26:03] Aye.
[26:05] Perfect, you're approved?
[26:06] Well, not, you've already been approved, but
[26:09] now you qualify for a paint repair grant.
[26:11] So, thank you.
[26:12] Give us a couple seconds and we'll get right back to that.
[26:14] Thank you.
[26:16] Okay moving on to item 2604241 landmarks commission sorry sorry take it that
[26:27] back take it back we're moving ahead one to item 2604256 landmarks
[26:34] submission certificate appropriateness for one two two one two two two east
[26:41] broadway, we're going to review or request to replace the garage door and repair several
[26:47] windows.
[26:51] Alright, so this is 1222 East Broadway. It is in the East Broadway historic district. It's
[26:58] on the north side of Broadway between Frederick Street and Porter Avenue, just to the southeast
[27:06] of Buckner Park. This is the Edward Porter George B. Harris House, which was built in
[27:13] In 1870, and this house was also went through a substantial renovation in 1908 and 1930.
[27:23] I believe George Harris was the owner for one of those later renovations.
[27:30] So it has English revival style architecture.
[27:34] And as you can see, it has a detached garage which is behind the house and is about 200 feet
[27:42] back I believe from East Broadway and the applicant liked to replace the garage doors.
[27:50] This was a situation where the existing garage door was contracted determined that it
[27:55] was unsafe so we did grant an emergency C-8, it had start the work of replacing them early
[28:03] so they had been removed.
[28:04] here's a this is a Google Street View photo from what it was before it was
[28:12] removed this was a wood garage door that was sort of a blank white wood or
[28:20] the solid white wood door this was not original it was from the 1970s the
[28:29] new garage. As you can see, this is a historic photo from, if not, the period of historic
[28:38] significance from closer to it. As you can see, the garage doors at that time had windows
[28:45] along the top section. So the applicant who is Tony Landsat would like to replace the garage
[28:54] with a new aluminum garage door, and with windows to match the ones that were originally there.
[29:07] So he was considering some different options for windows and to match the historic, historic photos.
[29:14] he had selected the Stockton style. So this is the of those options. This is
[29:20] it's a square window to match that photo to match the ones that were in that
[29:25] photo. And then along with the windows on the detached garage there is an
[29:30] additional attached garage which in this case is definitely not historic. That is a
[29:39] later addition, and it's also not visible at all from the public street, so you'd like
[29:45] to replace that garage door as well.
[29:48] And then along with replacing the garage doors, there are several windows, specifically
[29:55] on a storm and the interior on this side.
[30:01] So, here's the exterior, the storm door, and then the interior has some leaded glass windows. So, the storm window pane needs to be replaced. As you can see from the covering there. And then the leaded glass on the interior needs some repairs. And then there are some storms throughout the house, which also needs some repairs as well.
[30:28] So those will be repaired rather than replaced.
[30:31] And there are some sections that need replacement class,
[30:34] but the windows themselves will be replaced to match the existing.
[30:40] So they're replacing the garage doors.
[30:43] New doors will be aluminum panels with stacked and window style.
[30:48] And then repairing the round top storm windows and then also some double hung windows.
[30:55] Those in the storm door window insert will be replaced and then the door panel will
[31:03] be repaired as well.
[31:06] Great.
[31:07] Thank you, Charlie.
[31:08] Do we have the homeowner here?
[31:09] Yeah.
[31:09] That's you.
[31:10] All right.
[31:11] Well, I guess you better go up the other way.
[31:13] If
[31:17] you could please state your name and address for the record, please.
[31:25] Tony Lanzo, 1222 East Broadway.
[31:28] Awesome.
[31:29] Is there anything else you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated?
[31:31] The garage was actually already been replaced.
[31:35] They were, like he had mentioned, the one cable snapped, and the guy had said that they're
[31:39] so old that they actually didn't deem them safe.
[31:43] And so he said, I wouldn't even, and then the small carriage house door, he said, I wouldn't
[31:46] even operate it.
[31:47] So then that's where I was like, I just need to get these ordered ASAP.
[31:51] So the carriage house doors to that historic picture that he shared, that's why we picked
[31:57] those stocked in windows to kind of give it to resemble the look of that.
[32:00] And then the one on the tax garage as you mentioned is not historical by nature at all, so then we just did no windows on that one.
[32:07] Okay. Anybody else have any questions?
[32:12] Nope.
[32:13] Okay. I'm looking for a motion for the COA of this project.
[32:21] Let's just cut to the case. I'm not going to beg. I'm going to put up a
[32:26] I propose to approve landmarks item 2604241, I'm sorry, I did it again.
[32:37] Landmarked submission, certificate of appropriate, as for one, two east broadway.
[32:43] And I suggest we approve as stated in the request.
[32:49] Do I have a second?
[32:51] Second?
[32:53] Second?
[32:54] Aye.
[32:54] Aye.
[32:56] Aye.
[32:57] Aye.
[32:59] You are approved.
[33:01] Thank you.
[33:03] And there is no favoritism there, I promise.
[33:07] OK.
[33:09] Moving on.
[33:09] Now we've got everything done, right?
[33:11] So now we get to go back.
[33:13] Perfect.
[33:14] Before we start, I just want to, Charlie,
[33:16] can you please put up that lovely little chart
[33:18] that you had with all of the, yes, the options.
[33:21] Thank you.
[33:22] So, and just to get any comments, feedback right now before we go down the road.
[33:30] And I do have, I could break out the, you know, at least for two of the three, it's kind
[33:37] of broken out a little bit, so I could explain that if you'd like.
[33:41] The
[33:45] one for three to one heartwell, I'm assuming is one that you have it broken down, seeing
[33:49] that the cost was $70,000 and you said not everything there was.
[33:55] I didn't have it broken out beforehand, but the applicants might be able to provide some detail on that.
[34:06] I think we want to know what you're basing the 1-1-2-8, the 1-5-7-4, based on that 70, like what's the ratio with that, right?
[34:16] Yeah, so what would be part of the painting repair grant?
[34:23] Yeah, so I guess basically the idea was the LP smart side siding would not be replacing wood siding would not be with LP smart side would not be something that's considered to be ideal for a historic house.
[34:37] In this case, it was rear siding and they're matching, they're following all the other guidelines.
[34:42] but that's something that you know in some other cases the landmarks mission has said we don't want to give full grants or you know give a grant at all in some cases when there when there's work that's being done that wouldn't be what's
[35:00] I feel ideal. The rest of it all meets all of the guidelines, you know, as far as- So the guidelines that are being met, does the option two or option four dollar a month that you have listed bit with the dollar a month that you're facing the- It wasn't faced criteria. It wasn't broken out for those options. So that's if the applicant has, has some detail, then you might want to-
[35:29] you know, we might want to divide it out a little differently for the proportions.
[35:35] The option one proportion, I just took 70,000,
[35:41] 6,000, 59, 14,000, 885. Each of those were the proportion of 90,000 of the total of the three
[35:52] and then fly that to 3,222, so I think 70,000 was something like 70% of that total and then the
[36:02] other ones were a smaller amount. Option two, I just replaced that 70,000 with the 20,000 because
[36:09] that would be sort of the maximum that would be considered for a typical grant and did the same thing.
[36:17] And then option four, I reduced the other two, three o'8
[36:27] and call in 1222 East Broadway to 10% of the estimated cost.
[36:37] And then the remainder that was left over of that 3,222 just applied to 321 South-Hartwell.
[36:44] can I throw a wrench in there? My estimate, so my
[36:51] tath garage has no historical significance, and then it has like the lift
[36:55] masters in there and things like that. So I took out that $3,050 from there. So
[37:02] I actually, I would say my historical total would be $11,835 versus what's on
[37:08] there just more for knowing that those things are not historical and I don't
[37:13] I think receiving anything for a garage opener would be fair.
[37:17] That's honest, thank you.
[37:21] So hopefully you have your spreadsheet open and ready to adjust.
[37:24] I'll talk to you soon.
[37:29] And I do think the applicant for 321 Salt Heartwell
[37:35] might be able to provide a little bit more detail on the breaking it down a little bit more.
[37:43] If you'd like to hear that.
[37:46] Here's a question.
[37:47] if we deduct the amount that Tony just said right that would lower his amount and then can we take
[37:54] whatever that is left over and divide it up between the other two people so that would be right yeah
[38:03] that would be something I could pull this virtually back up yeah put those numbers in there and make
[38:09] computer do the word.
[38:17] And thank you Tony.
[38:20] There's 11,0835 if I said that.
[38:49] So that
[38:49] reduced some of them. I
[38:56] think I would have to put it into here also.
[39:30] Yeah this
[39:30] is going to be very confusing.
[39:46] I'm making your work Charlie, huh? Yes.
[39:54] Everybody
[39:55] But he's staring at you.
[39:56] Yes.
[40:00] While he's doing that, is there an option that makes the most sense?
[40:09] I like option four, just most equitable, you know what I mean? We always like to give more percentages, but that just feels like the numbers make it worth it for the homeowners, you know what I'm saying? In my mind. I agree with option four as presented, how the numbers are being adjusted.
[40:33] did unless some other applicant wanted to withdraw their application.
[40:39] They got approval for their project, but if they did not wish to receive funds that would help others as well.
[40:47] But if that's not an option, I'm still going to stick with option four, thank you.
[40:52] I'm just curious to see how that changes the numbers.
[40:54] So it's not difference is 305 if you divide that by two W152 50 if you're going to split that equally
[41:01] between
[41:02] Heartwell and McCall that's you'd add 150 250 to each of those
[41:07] so
[41:15] Oops,
[41:21] it's also harder to do on this one then
[41:28] desktop computer so
[41:38] that would bring
[41:40] That would bring it up to
[41:59] to 1,850 to that last column. So then it totals it up. So we get that, yeah, to make
[42:05] Sure, there are three, two, two, 50.
[42:17] I want to summon this one.
[42:30] Yeah, so that would add up to 3,222 and 50.
[42:33] Perfect.
[42:35] Thank you.
[42:39] So what do we think about this?
[42:44] Does that look better to everybody?
[42:49] Okay, if somebody could give me a, yeah.
[42:53] Just let's suggest which one ever you want.
[42:56] Okay, I make recommendation to approve
[43:00] move the option 4, except now it's option 5.
[43:07] Yeah, it was option 5 on this.
[43:10] Do you want us to do each one, or do you want us to do what your numbers are?
[43:14] Read each one for the agenda, please.
[43:16] Okay, thank you.
[43:17] So, approving 4, 3, 2, 1, south, heartwell, 1280.60, 4308, McCall, 758.4,
[43:34] We'll just stick with the 321 South Heartwell for 1280-60.
[43:40] I'll second.
[43:45] Aye.
[43:46] Aye.
[43:48] Aye.
[43:48] Aye.
[43:49] Aye.
[43:49] Aye.
[43:50] Aye.
[43:50] Aye.
[43:50] Aye.
[43:53] Aye.
[43:55] Aye.
[43:55] Aye.
[43:58] Aye.
[43:59] Just looks cleaner.
[44:06] Perfect, so thank you, three, two, one, south, heart, well, you get the amount that was just stated.
[44:14] Thank you.
[44:16] And then the next one, please.
[44:19] Back to the sheet, Charlie.
[44:21] So that was 758, oh yeah, we have to wait for the $758.40 was for 308 McCall Street.
[44:31] Okay, so I'll make a motion to approve 758-404-308 McCall Street.
[44:41] Second.
[44:49] Aye.
[44:51] Aye.
[44:53] Aye.
[44:54] Aye.
[44:54] Aye.
[44:54] Aye.
[44:55] Okay, that's it.
[45:00] Perfect. Approved. 4308, McCall Street, whatever that amount that was just on the screen that I cannot retain the number, it's yours. Thank you. Okay,
[45:14] the last one that I could not retain the number on. For one, two, two East Broadway, I make a motion to approve the 12, 83, 50, was it? No, 11, 83, 350. 11, 83, 50. What was listed?
[45:32] There we go, 11, 8, 350, I was perfect.
[45:36] Second.
[45:40] Aye.
[45:41] Aye.
[45:42] Aye.
[45:42] Aye.
[45:43] I'm staying.
[45:45] And I'd just like to put an umbrella to that, that for all of those, those paint repair grants are based on SHIPO approval on the back end, which we need to state.
[45:55] Thank you, and welcome to tell you on the specific COA.
[45:59] Thank you.
[46:02] So, thank you all very much for your patience on having to wait for us to go through that, but it just made the most sense.
[46:12] Great, so we're going to move on to the Alderman's report.
[46:16] Excellent.
[46:17] Thank you.
[46:18] Hopefully those in the city of Waukeshaw are like the visit city of Waukeshaw.
[46:22] Got their parks and wreck guide.
[46:24] There's a lot of things coming up just about every weekend in parks and October fest.
[46:28] And I always mentioned walk a show unlocked and that is I think the 10th and the 11th or no, the 10th, yeah, the 10th, the 11th of walk a show.
[46:37] So check the website, check your favorite local business or church, it may be on it.
[46:42] Thank you to tack on to that.
[46:45] Yes.
[46:46] October Fest is always looking for volunteers and they get free something, you know, is what I saw.
[46:54] So maybe you know more.
[46:55] Thank you, Marty.
[46:56] Check with April on the Park and Rec, she sends out her emails if you're not in April's email, volunteer list.
[47:04] Check out April, she'll send you monthly opportunities to volunteer throughout the city, thank you.
[47:10] Perfect, thank you, and we're going to move on to the spring support.
[47:14] And Charlie, now I guess it would be a good time to address what was brought up for public comment at the top of the meeting.
[47:21] So we do not have, what we've had in the past sometimes is we will just put out a sign-up request for kind of anybody to come help out with the springs, and we'll typically get groups of, you know, five or six people.
[47:40] that will help with the cleanup.
[47:42] This year, Tony has a group that he's worked with
[47:46] and he has volunteered to come help out in early October,
[47:53] so that would be prior to,
[47:56] prior to the walk-in-on locked,
[47:59] so there would be enough time to get that done.
[48:03] And certainly with this group of vast majority
[48:08] of the work that needs to be done will be on meniscus spring, and that would include both the
[48:17] cleaning up inside the spring base and itself, and then we
[48:21] believe we'll be able to get the parks department to drop off
[48:26] woodchips to lay down on the path, so there'd be some clean up and laying down the woodchips, and hopefully there are some trees that are
[48:33] across the path currently.
[48:36] the Forestry Department will clear those trees, so I have a request into them to hopefully get that done ahead of time.
[48:46] So that all should be done depending on availability and need mostly on whether how much the leaves have fallen by that point.
[48:58] We might also have them do some raking and cleaning at Hobos Spring as well.
[49:05] But that should all be done ahead of the walkish unlock tours.
[49:11] We don't have a date with Tony's group yet for that.
[49:14] We had, yeah, it's either the October 5th or October 7th, we're just kind of both of them are open, so it just depends on whether.
[49:22] So you have myself.
[49:24] Well, yeah, we'll have a meeting before that next month.
[49:28] Well, no.
[49:29] Yeah, next, October 7th, I think, is the first one, so it would be.
[49:33] okay maybe either way probably your handle in it awesome thank you so much for
[49:39] doing that great so the other question I have yes did I have it I just lost
[49:46] it at all it's like I couldn't remember the numbers we're all good no do we have
[49:53] a list of the springs that are gonna be on the springs tour so that they make
[49:57] Make sure they hit all those springs to make sure they're all right.
[50:00] Well, so there are four springs on the tour. Acme is one of them and then Hobo. And then Silerian spring, that's, there isn't really, at Silerian, there isn't work that needs to be done outside. The inside, there's just some dust and kind of debris that the gathers on the floor of the spring house. I was planning to just go out there.
[50:29] and do that on a weekday because that'll take 10 minutes to sweep it out.
[50:36] Like, why does it act me and bring a blower?
[50:39] Yeah.
[50:39] That might be an easier option.
[50:42] It act me.
[50:43] There's typically, there's a couple of beer cans in there from people who are having a party
[50:50] down by the spring, I guess.
[50:51] So I'll just go and clear those out.
[50:53] Maybe we should do that.
[50:55] There's a new concept party at the springs.
[50:59] We can have our next meeting there.
[51:02] As long as you don't leave glitter there.
[51:06] No, we don't leave glitter.
[51:07] We'll pick up our beer cans.
[51:11] All right.
[51:12] So that's the spring's report.
[51:14] We will look forward to hearing what got done next month.
[51:18] And then we're going to move on to the communications and publications, please.
[51:22] All right.
[51:22] So the only thing I have is as Alderman Cousin mentioned.
[51:26] Walkers are unlocked, is October 10th and 11th, so be sure to come out and tour any of the sites that you would like to see.
[51:35] And the springs tour will be on the 11th, Marty and Carmen have both volunteered to help with leading the tour.
[51:44] We have a script that was developed by Julie Skarpagey, our former member and
[51:50] Marilyn Hangerstrand, who is also a former landmark submission member from many years ago.
[51:58] And has contributed a lot of time to volunteering related to historic preservation in the city, has been on the springs committee.
[52:08] and so they had developed a script, Julie is not able to do it to help with it this year
[52:16] and Maryland, I think, has some mobility issues, so she, I haven't asked but maybe I will,
[52:24] but typically we have three tours at 10 a.m. to noon and 2 p.m. on that Sunday.
[52:33] Marty and Carmen had both said that they can help as much as we need.
[52:36] If there is anybody else who wants to help out, that would be greatly appreciated.
[52:44] But otherwise we can, we can work, we can figure it out with between Marty and
[52:53] Karen and myself.
[52:54] So,
[52:56] if you would like to just let me know after her.
[53:03] So I just want to put a plug out to the public watching this.
[53:08] We could use volunteers.
[53:11] Yes, if anybody happens to be watching this meeting and would like to volunteer, you're more than welcome.
[53:16] And can we get a coach bus with instead of the school bus?
[53:21] It's typically a school bus.
[53:24] Is there anything else that you have for your?
[53:28] That's all I have for.
[53:29] Okay, perfect.
[53:30] So thank you everybody.
[53:31] This meeting is adjourned.
[53:34] Thank you.