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All right. Should we start?
All right. We'll call the meeting to

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order at 6 o'clock. First item on the
agenda is roll call.

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» All right. Jack Heinman,
Kristen Rungi

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» here. Al Dasso
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» David Kennedy,
Todd McCullik

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» here. Abby Zelner,
Katherine Burke here.

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» All right. Next item on the agenda is
approved minutes from the December 10th,

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2025 Community Development Authority
meeting. Do we have any corrections or

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deletions from the minutes?
Seeing none, do we have a motion to

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approve?
>> I'll make the motion.

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» I'll second.
>> All those in favor?

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» I
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Motion carries. All right. Next item on
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have anyone in the audience, but do we
have anyone online who would like to

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make a public comment? If you're online
and would like to make a comment, please

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raise your hand and we'll move you into
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All right, we're a lonely bunch today.
All right, so we'll move past public

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comment to item number one under
business items, monthly review and

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scoring of Wanke Housing Betterment Fund
Applications. And for this one, I

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believe we are putting our microphones
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Are we pausing the meeting? Okay.
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» Okay. Great.

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All right. And we're next uh now ready
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which is an update on the housing not
the housing betterment fund, the um

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community loan trust.
>> Yeah. So um couple updates. So the the

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main thing is that Kylie and I met with
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» Yes.
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executive director over there. Had a
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very excited about partnering with us.
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of my big takeaways from that discussion
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thinking about well, how do we set up a
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create this partnership with MACT? How
do, you know, like we we've been

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spending a lot of time and effort on
like the foundational documents for

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that. And what Mason started talking
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a project we can work on together. And
he had a lot of ideas. He's have a lot

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of development experience. Um the one
thing that Kai

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» does,
>> he does. Yeah. So, he's from the Seattle

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area and did a lot of development uh
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programs and um getting projects off the
ground. And he's said he would be very

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happy to if we had a project in mind, he
could do some calculations and kind of

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figure out how we might um you know, put
our dollars in and and kind of figure

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out what the capital stack might look
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know that the committee is really
interested in is are there any

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flexibility with income requirements
because that's something we've had a lot

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of discussion about want to key is is is
its own unique community different from

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the Madison area and he said that he's
definitely willing to have that

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conversation. I think he he would like
to talk as we go along with thinking

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through a development. I and I I I like
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know if I think we're getting stuck with
income because we also don't have like

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an actual development to kind of work
through and figure out what we want to

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look like. Um so I did invite him to
come to our next meeting so that we can

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kind of talk about this further and
maybe brainstorm on kind of next steps

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with him. I know there's um you know
we're still kind of figuring out what

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that first project might be. Um, and I
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few different things that, you know,
Kylie and I have been involved in over

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the past couple months that seem like
could be potential candidates. Um, but I

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think more discussion is needed on
those, but I'd like to have this group

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talk with MACT and kind of hash out what
that partnership will look like. and and

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um he's even willing if we wanted to
brainstorm a development somewhere, he's

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willing to do that, too. So, I'm I'm
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the way to go is to just start talking
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MACT
if we can get something going. So is so

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the way I take what you said is like
we're concerned with some of the

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nitty-gritty detail, but that might be
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is get a development project that's real
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about the details if if that's even a
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» right? Yeah. I mean, he's like it's
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we're here and we're willing to partner
with you. if you have a project, let's

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come to the table together and make it
happen. And I think that's a good

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approach.
>> Probably very sound advice.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a great
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» So, if we bring him to our next meeting,
just in order to make conversation a

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little bit easier, do you think we could
get the boardroom over at the library?

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» Yeah. It's just such a weird space to
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brainstorming and conversation and
>> Yeah, absolutely.

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» Cool. All right. Yeah, I'll ask him.

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Do we have questions for him
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just kind of an open conversation?
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him.
>> I would like to know though what your

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thoughts are. You said you have a couple
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the appropriate time,
>> but what your thoughts are when it comes

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uh do or work with or development we may
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Uh there's a lot of folks who I think
are willing to give. They just need to

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know how they got to give.
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» And getting the right people in front of
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opportunities that have come across my
desk that are not necessarily ready to

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be spoken about public, but as they
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this group and MACT involved in looking
at those. And I know Al at the last

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meeting you brought up the Legion. I'm
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their plans, but um I guess how was your
discussion with them on

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their plans?
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they they have a couple of options,
three options actually. Um which I think

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they've talked to you about one of those
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Another option is to do a CLT or a pro a
pro property of the CLT.

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Uh I was not there to present anything
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see if how much enthusiasm there was for
um Alexander company that was presenting

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as to whether or not um that was
something they wanted to do. It's a

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tough group. They're they're tough to
move and and um but the angle that we

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can and there are some things they can
do with with their mission and that is

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veterans. I think we can probably do
more with that. But I wasn't prepared to

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present [clears throat] to them anything
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position other than just to listen to
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but that would be one that if we have a
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uh we can hit them hard and and see if
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there is
they're part hospitality which they want

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to keep and um part multifamily in some
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to develop.
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know and will that multif family live
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aspect that would be some of the
challenges that were discussed but you

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know again if we have something that we
can hit them hard I think we can get

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them to motivate I think we got some
good connections to that group of people

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[snorts] um but understand it's going to
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that board so um and and they like
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it a couple times while I was there is
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and there is no next generation of
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post. So, um they got to find the hook
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and participate. So, again, that's where
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Oh, that was it.
>> So, did this

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» new new director, I forgot his name, um
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» Nathan.
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would he
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did he give you any any ideas for
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journey?
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brainstorming in our discussion. I mean,
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saying towards the end, if you have a
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brainstorm, I'm happy to do that. The
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piece of land identified yet. So, um, I
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brainstorm with us. Um, and maybe we
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specifically and some of our challenges
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that. curious if he um has experience
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the best lines or whatever selling
points to talk a developer into,

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you know, giving or giving at a lower
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development that they're working on.
>> Yeah. I I don't know how much experience

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he has in that realm. I know his
previous job was really development

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focused and doing affordable housing
projects. Okay.

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» So, he's got definitely um a level of
skill and knowledge in that realm. I'm

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not sure how much work he's done on the
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certainly ask about it.
>> Other questions? David, do you have any

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me. No, I'm you know I'm so much in the
dark on this program. I I that's why I

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think I agree with the concept of having
you come out and really talk us through

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the ups and downs of this program
because I I just it's just

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unknown to me.
>> Okay. Okay. That's good advice from

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Katherine.
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still learning about it. I think it's a
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project.
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» Excellent. Excellent. you know, at a at
a very core level, why don't we just go

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and buy a couple lots in a couple of
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whether it's in the Vidian subdivision
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subdivision, you know, and whether the
developer gives us a discount or not,

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um, that's not necessary. It would be
great, fantastic.

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Uh, but, uh, go out and buy a couple
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houses and see what happens. get our
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>> I it's definitely something we should

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talk about, too. You know, we also have
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we do have some places where we could,
you know, have, you know, a house that

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would be sized and built to be
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the close closeness to working.
you know, whether it's a teacher or

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whether it's a a bartender, you know, is
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that location as opposed to putting it
way out in the middle of nowhere with a

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bunch of expensive homes. Um I think
it's important for you know the if from

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my perspective to have work and uh home
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ideally
and I think that's a sell for the

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business park that if if we could put
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um and start offering their employees a
chance to buy a home

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» um maybe we get them to kick in some
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So, it's there's a lot to do. It's just
a matter of which direction we want to

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>> Yeah. And I'll add I did, you know, we

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talked to him about, you know, different
income qualifications and he seemed open

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to having that discussion. Um, the thing
we didn't talk about that I know we as a

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group have talked about is a
prioritization of people who already

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work in Wanuki. Um, so that might be
something we bring up at the next

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meeting to see if that that could be if
if we're still interested in that. Um,

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might want to have that conversation as
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» Yeah, I think we're still interested in
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» Right. Yeah,
that's the question. And also making

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sure that if there are people who need
homes that are not working, you know,

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that are retired or or, you know, have a
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being fully employed. Yep.
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» And I know the other thing that he did,
the only other really specific thing I

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do remember him letting us know was that
those those dollars that they were given

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are targeted at a very specific
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» non-negotiable income level.
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probably what we're going to see people
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» Um, so those specific dollars may not be
able to be used towards projects here.

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Again, that's something that when we
know what our guidelines are would come

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in, but they did have a very specific
tie to what they could be used for.

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» Okay, that's good to know.

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Other questions or comments?
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It's been a good meeting, you guys.
>> Yeah. All right. Do we have any other

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motions?
I'll make the motion that we uh end the

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meeting for the night.
>> We have a second.

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» I'll second.
>> Any discussion on the motion? Seeing

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none, all in favor?
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» opposed. Motion carries. Thanks, David.
Send us good weather, please. [laughter]

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» One day.
>> I'll bring it back with me.

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» Thank you.
>> We will appreciate it greatly. We have

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it.
>> See