[3:25] All right. Should we start?
All right. We'll call the meeting to
[3:30] order at 6 o'clock. First item on the
agenda is roll call.
[3:37] » All right. Jack Heinman,
Kristen Rungi
[3:41] » here. Al Dasso
>> here.
[3:44] » David Kennedy,
Todd McCullik
[3:47] » here. Abby Zelner,
Katherine Burke here.
[3:53] » All right. Next item on the agenda is
approved minutes from the December 10th,
[3:57] 2025 Community Development Authority
meeting. Do we have any corrections or
[4:01] deletions from the minutes?
Seeing none, do we have a motion to
[4:06] approve?
>> I'll make the motion.
[4:08] » I'll second.
>> All those in favor?
[4:11] » I
>> opposed. Abstensions.
[4:15] Motion carries. All right. Next item on
the agenda is public comment. We do not
[4:19] have anyone in the audience, but do we
have anyone online who would like to
[4:22] make a public comment? If you're online
and would like to make a comment, please
[4:25] raise your hand and we'll move you into
the meeting.
[4:30] All right, we're a lonely bunch today.
All right, so we'll move past public
[4:34] comment to item number one under
business items, monthly review and
[4:38] scoring of Wanke Housing Betterment Fund
Applications. And for this one, I
[4:42] believe we are putting our microphones
on mute.
[4:46] Are we pausing the meeting? Okay.
>> All right.
[4:52] » Okay. Great.
[5:00] All right. And we're next uh now ready
for the next item on the agenda, which
[5:04] which is an update on the housing not
the housing betterment fund, the um
[5:09] community loan trust.
>> Yeah. So um couple updates. So the the
[5:15] main thing is that Kylie and I met with
Mason, right?
[5:20] » Yes.
>> Madison Area Land Trust. He's the new
[5:24] executive director over there. Had a
really good conversation with him. He's
[5:28] very excited about partnering with us.
And I think one of the big things, one
[5:33] of my big takeaways from that discussion
is we've been spending a lot of time
[5:37] thinking about well, how do we set up a
program? How do we create, you know,
[5:43] create this partnership with MACT? How
do, you know, like we we've been
[5:47] spending a lot of time and effort on
like the foundational documents for
[5:51] that. And what Mason started talking
about is let's just start talking about
[5:55] a project we can work on together. And
he had a lot of ideas. He's have a lot
[6:00] of development experience. Um the one
thing that Kai
[6:04] » does,
>> he does. Yeah. So, he's from the Seattle
[6:07] area and did a lot of development uh
there. Is very familiar with funding
[6:11] programs and um getting projects off the
ground. And he's said he would be very
[6:16] happy to if we had a project in mind, he
could do some calculations and kind of
[6:21] figure out how we might um you know, put
our dollars in and and kind of figure
[6:26] out what the capital stack might look
like. Um, the one thing I did ask that I
[6:31] know that the committee is really
interested in is are there any
[6:35] flexibility with income requirements
because that's something we've had a lot
[6:38] of discussion about want to key is is is
its own unique community different from
[6:42] the Madison area and he said that he's
definitely willing to have that
[6:46] conversation. I think he he would like
to talk as we go along with thinking
[6:54] through a development. I and I I I like
that context. I think because I don't
[6:59] know if I think we're getting stuck with
income because we also don't have like
[7:03] an actual development to kind of work
through and figure out what we want to
[7:08] look like. Um so I did invite him to
come to our next meeting so that we can
[7:12] kind of talk about this further and
maybe brainstorm on kind of next steps
[7:17] with him. I know there's um you know
we're still kind of figuring out what
[7:21] that first project might be. Um, and I
think, uh, you know, there's there's a
[7:27] few different things that, you know,
Kylie and I have been involved in over
[7:30] the past couple months that seem like
could be potential candidates. Um, but I
[7:35] think more discussion is needed on
those, but I'd like to have this group
[7:40] talk with MACT and kind of hash out what
that partnership will look like. and and
[7:46] um he's even willing if we wanted to
brainstorm a development somewhere, he's
[7:51] willing to do that, too. So, I'm I'm
really excited. I think this might be
[7:57] the way to go is to just start talking
about a development partnership with
[8:00] MACT
if we can get something going. So is so
[8:05] the way I take what you said is like
we're concerned with some of the
[8:09] nitty-gritty detail, but that might be
chasing the 20% instead of the 80% which
[8:14] is get a development project that's real
and we can actually work on and then see
[8:18] about the details if if that's even a
concern,
[8:22] » right? Yeah. I mean, he's like it's
really hard to create a new CLT and
[8:28] we're here and we're willing to partner
with you. if you have a project, let's
[8:31] come to the table together and make it
happen. And I think that's a good
[8:35] approach.
>> Probably very sound advice.
[8:37] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a great
idea.
[8:42] » So, if we bring him to our next meeting,
just in order to make conversation a
[8:45] little bit easier, do you think we could
get the boardroom over at the library?
[8:50] » Yeah. It's just such a weird space to
sit in if you're going to do
[8:53] brainstorming and conversation and
>> Yeah, absolutely.
[8:56] » Cool. All right. Yeah, I'll ask him.
[9:01] Do we have questions for him
that we want him to come prepared for or
[9:06] just kind of an open conversation?
>> I think it's an open conversation with
[9:10] him.
>> I would like to know though what your
[9:14] thoughts are. You said you have a couple
thoughts as to and maybe not tonight is
[9:18] the appropriate time,
>> but what your thoughts are when it comes
[9:22] to
what uh what land trusts we may
[9:28] uh do or work with or development we may
have in mind.
[9:33] Uh there's a lot of folks who I think
are willing to give. They just need to
[9:38] know how they got to give.
>> Yeah.
[9:40] » And getting the right people in front of
those folks is going to be important.
[9:45] Yeah.
Yeah. I think there's um there's a few
[9:51] opportunities that have come across my
desk that are not necessarily ready to
[9:54] be spoken about public, but as they
continue to develop, I would love to get
[10:00] this group and MACT involved in looking
at those. And I know Al at the last
[10:05] meeting you brought up the Legion. I'm
not sure what how far along they are in
[10:10] their plans, but um I guess how was your
discussion with them on
[10:16] their plans?
>> Yeah. And and [clears throat]
[10:21] they they have a couple of options,
three options actually. Um which I think
[10:26] they've talked to you about one of those
options. Another option is do nothing.
[10:31] Another option is to do a CLT or a pro a
pro property of the CLT.
[10:39] Uh I was not there to present anything
necessarily. I was there to listen to
[10:44] see if how much enthusiasm there was for
um Alexander company that was presenting
[10:53] as to whether or not um that was
something they wanted to do. It's a
[10:58] tough group. They're they're tough to
move and and um but the angle that we
[11:04] can and there are some things they can
do with with their mission and that is
[11:09] veterans. I think we can probably do
more with that. But I wasn't prepared to
[11:15] present [clears throat] to them anything
because I didn't think it was my
[11:18] position other than just to listen to
what they were was being discussed. Um
[11:23] but that would be one that if we have a
program
[11:28] uh we can hit them hard and and see if
we can work something out. The challenge
[11:33] there is
they're part hospitality which they want
[11:38] to keep and um part multifamily in some
form or another which uh they would like
[11:45] to develop.
So uh what that multif family is don't
[11:50] know and will that multif family live
and coexist with with their hospitality
[11:56] aspect that would be some of the
challenges that were discussed but you
[12:00] know again if we have something that we
can hit them hard I think we can get
[12:04] them to motivate I think we got some
good connections to that group of people
[12:09] [snorts] um but understand it's going to
be there are some stubborn people on
[12:12] that board so um and and they like
everybody else though, you know, I heard
[12:18] it a couple times while I was there is
uh they're aging out
[12:24] and there is no next generation of
veterans signing on to join the their
[12:29] post. So, um they got to find the hook
to bring in these veterans to join and
[12:36] and participate. So, again, that's where
uh you know, perhaps a CLT can help with
[12:42] that.
[12:46] Oh, that was it.
>> So, did this
[12:49] » new new director, I forgot his name, um
>> Nathan.
[12:52] » Nathan.
>> Nathan. Um
[12:56] would he
share ideas and stuff like that? I mean,
[13:00] did he give you any any ideas for
projects or where to begin um our
[13:05] journey?
>> Um we didn't get too far into the
[13:09] brainstorming in our discussion. I mean,
he was
[13:13] saying towards the end, if you have a
piece of land you want me to look at and
[13:17] brainstorm, I'm happy to do that. The
problem is we don't necessarily have a
[13:20] piece of land identified yet. So, um, I
think he's definitely willing to
[13:27] brainstorm with us. Um, and maybe we
could talk about, you know, Wanuki
[13:31] specifically and some of our challenges
and maybe he can help us think through
[13:35] that. curious if he um has experience
working with developers and knows
[13:42] the best lines or whatever selling
points to talk a developer into,
[13:49] you know, giving or giving at a lower
value um some of the property within a
[13:56] development that they're working on.
>> Yeah. I I don't know how much experience
[14:01] he has in that realm. I know his
previous job was really development
[14:05] focused and doing affordable housing
projects. Okay.
[14:07] » So, he's got definitely um a level of
skill and knowledge in that realm. I'm
[14:14] not sure how much work he's done on the
like gifting aspect, but um can
[14:19] certainly ask about it.
>> Other questions? David, do you have any
[14:25] questions?
[14:28] Excuse
[14:36] me. No, I'm you know I'm so much in the
dark on this program. I I that's why I
[14:42] think I agree with the concept of having
you come out and really talk us through
[14:47] the ups and downs of this program
because I I just it's just
[14:54] unknown to me.
>> Okay. Okay. That's good advice from
[14:59] Katherine.
>> Hey,
[15:06] still learning about it. I think it's a
good discussion and starting with a
[15:10] project.
>> Yeah.
[15:12] » Excellent. Excellent. you know, at a at
a very core level, why don't we just go
[15:18] and buy a couple lots in a couple of
subdivisions and work with those lots,
[15:23] whether it's in the Vidian subdivision
or whether it's in Don Tierney
[15:26] subdivision, you know, and whether the
developer gives us a discount or not,
[15:32] um, that's not necessary. It would be
great, fantastic.
[15:36] Uh, but, uh, go out and buy a couple
lots and and build put up a couple
[15:40] houses and see what happens. get our
feet wet.
[15:44] » Um,
>> I it's definitely something we should
[15:46] talk about, too. You know, we also have
the new Heyday development going in. So,
[15:50] we do have some places where we could,
you know, have, you know, a house that
[15:55] would be sized and built to be
affordable to people.
[16:01] So,
>> yeah, the other aspect that I look at is
[16:05] the close closeness to working.
you know, whether it's a teacher or
[16:11] whether it's a a bartender, you know, is
it within walking or biking distance of
[16:16] that location as opposed to putting it
way out in the middle of nowhere with a
[16:22] bunch of expensive homes. Um I think
it's important for you know the if from
[16:27] my perspective to have work and uh home
relatively close
[16:34] ideally
and I think that's a sell for the
[16:40] business park that if if we could put
some together
[16:43] um and start offering their employees a
chance to buy a home
[16:49] » um maybe we get them to kick in some
cash as well to this process.
[16:54] So, it's there's a lot to do. It's just
a matter of which direction we want to
[16:58] head.
>> Yeah. And I'll add I did, you know, we
[17:01] talked to him about, you know, different
income qualifications and he seemed open
[17:06] to having that discussion. Um, the thing
we didn't talk about that I know we as a
[17:10] group have talked about is a
prioritization of people who already
[17:15] work in Wanuki. Um, so that might be
something we bring up at the next
[17:20] meeting to see if that that could be if
if we're still interested in that. Um,
[17:24] might want to have that conversation as
well with him next time.
[17:28] » Yeah, I think we're still interested in
that to the extent it's allowable.
[17:32] » Right. Yeah,
that's the question. And also making
[17:36] sure that if there are people who need
homes that are not working, you know,
[17:40] that are retired or or, you know, have a
a condition that prevents them from
[17:45] being fully employed. Yep.
>> Yeah.
[17:48] » And I know the other thing that he did,
the only other really specific thing I
[17:51] do remember him letting us know was that
those those dollars that they were given
[17:56] are targeted at a very specific
>> okay
[17:59] » non-negotiable income level.
>> Um, which was significantly lower than
[18:04] probably what we're going to see people
here using here having here.
[18:08] » Um, so those specific dollars may not be
able to be used towards projects here.
[18:13] Again, that's something that when we
know what our guidelines are would come
[18:18] in, but they did have a very specific
tie to what they could be used for.
[18:23] » Okay, that's good to know.
[18:27] Other questions or comments?
No.
[18:33] It's been a good meeting, you guys.
>> Yeah. All right. Do we have any other
[18:39] motions?
I'll make the motion that we uh end the
[18:43] meeting for the night.
>> We have a second.
[18:47] » I'll second.
>> Any discussion on the motion? Seeing
[18:50] none, all in favor?
>> I
[18:53] » opposed. Motion carries. Thanks, David.
Send us good weather, please. [laughter]
[19:00] » One day.
>> I'll bring it back with me.
[19:03] » Thank you.
>> We will appreciate it greatly. We have
[19:07] it.
>> See