1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,160 I'd like to bring the Wedley Barrel Council regular meeting of August 24, 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:13,200 2026 into session. Have a roll call, please. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,040 » Vincent Cutterford >> here. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,560 » Joseph Cybert >> here. 5 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:18,640 » Tracy Mangle >> here. Jeffrey Miller 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,160 » here. >> Norman Richie 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,600 » here. >> Greg Walters 8 00:00:21,119 --> 00:00:25,519 » here. >> And Michael Blizzio 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:29,720 » here. And I ask everyone to stand for an invocation and pledge of allegiance. 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:44,879 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:51,320 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,320 justice for all. 13 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:59,039 Heavenly Father, we thank you for bringing us together this evening and 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,960 for the community of Wely that we are privileged to call home. As we begin 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:07,119 tonight's meeting, grant us wisdom in the decisions before us, patience to 16 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:10,320 listen to one another, and good judgment as we consider what is best for our 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,799 residents and for the future of our burrow. We ask for your blessing upon 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:19,600 the burough employees, police officers, firefighters, emergency responders, and 19 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:24,080 all those who serve this community each day. Watch over them and their families 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:28,159 and keep them safe. Help us to remember that the positions we hold are an 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:32,159 opportunity to serve. May we conduct tonight's business with humility, 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:37,920 fairness, and respect. And may the decisions we make be pleasing to you and 23 00:01:35,759 --> 00:01:41,759 beneficial to the people we represent. We ask for your continued blessings upon 24 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:45,119 Weatherly and all those who call it home. In your name we pray. Amen. 25 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:49,079 » Amen. >> Please be seated. Thank you. 26 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:58,799 I just have an announcement, please, before we get started. 27 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Uh last month's meeting, we got into a little bit of a debate back and forth. 28 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:08,399 Um and we we got off topic. So, I'm asking that we don't do that again. Um, 29 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:14,319 anyone that needs to speak can go to the microphone to speak. We know we have the 30 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:17,520 3minut rule. Uh, and if anyone has a question, you can write it down on a 31 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:21,440 piece of paper that's over there with your information. Um, [snorts] we are 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,959 leery to respond to some questions because there might be information we're 33 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:28,959 not privy to, but we will get you an answer immediately. And I think that 34 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:34,080 everybody that I told I would get back to last meeting, I got back to them as 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:37,120 soon as I did. Thank you. 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,599 Did everyone get a chance to review the minutes of the regular meeting of July? 37 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:48,000 And can I have a motion to accept those minutes? 38 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,519 » I have a motion to accept the minutes from July meeting. 39 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:59,040 » Motion made by Norman, seconded by Jeff. Is that correct? 40 00:02:58,239 --> 00:03:07,239 » Yes. >> All those in favor, please say I. I. 41 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,239 » Any opposed? Pass. Again, 42 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,239 I hope everybody got a chance to review the treasures report. May I get a motion 43 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:18,080 to accept the treasures report as submitted? 44 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:22,120 » I make a motion we accept the burough manager's treasure report. 45 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:30,720 » I'll second. >> Motion made by Joe, seconded by Greg. 46 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,959 All those in favor, please say I. I. >> All oppose. 47 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Next business, approval of the bills. And I have a motion to approve the 48 00:03:40,799 --> 00:03:44,120 bills, please. 49 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:53,040 » See? >> I'll make a mo a motion we approve the 50 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:57,040 uh the bills. >> I'll second. 51 00:03:54,799 --> 00:04:03,560 » Motion made by Joe, seconded by Norm. All those in favor, please say I. 52 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,560 » All opposed? 53 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:14,159 Um the first paper that I have for tonight is uh from uh Mr. Mclofflin 54 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:19,759 um questioning or not questioning but asking I know you spoke to me recently 55 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:23,919 regarding the online payment fees. Um I guess Mr. McGlaughlin I think I did 56 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:29,280 answer some of your questions privately but um as I understand it this is the 57 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:33,680 operation as it stands right now. If someone brings a check down to the 58 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:37,199 burrow office, there are no fees. If someone brings a credit card for the 59 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:42,160 time being to the burrow office, there are no fees. 60 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:48,560 If someone calls in a credit card uh on the phone or I'm sorry, does it online, 61 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:50,320 there is a 3% fee and a $3 charge. Whichever is greater. 62 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:55,600 » Whichever is greater. >> Whichever is greater. And if someone 63 00:04:52,400 --> 00:05:02,639 calls in a credit card, there is the same set of fees. the 3% fee is um 64 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:07,759 charged by the service company that's doing the online payments. We don't net 65 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,960 that money. That's just the cost of it. And I know of at least two residents 66 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:15,120 that have been begging dramatic desperately to have that that option. 67 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,560 So, as it stands right now, they're they're housebound and it's very 68 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:24,560 difficult for them to get down to the burrow building. So, um I think at this 69 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:28,639 point the menu that's there I think can suit everybody for their needs and you 70 00:05:26,479 --> 00:05:31,919 can avoid fees if you wish. It's absolutely great idea. I love it. But 71 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:37,360 there should be a cap off point how much they make off that%. We're going in the 72 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:42,479 winter and some people rely on electricity to be lucky not because 73 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:47,440 $1,000 a month you're paying $30 even Western Union for cheaper. 74 00:05:45,188 --> 00:05:51,919 [clears throat] It's ridiculous. It just really is. It should be a cap out point. 75 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,919 3%. Okay. But it should be a cap out point. 76 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,080 » We'll continue to look into it, but right now that's where it's set at. And 77 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:04,639 again, as I explained to you, if everybody in town use that fee or use 78 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:09,199 that service, then it could be something we might consider looking at um you 79 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,960 know, uh doing something to cover that cost. But because not everybody does it, 80 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:17,520 I just I personally don't see it being fair to apply that to everybody across 81 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:22,000 the board. Um, the second was, uh, the second 82 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:28,240 question here was, uh, are the police 24/7 yet? And I asked Chief Bogart to 83 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:34,240 respond to that. Uh, no, but we've made several steps forward with some 84 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:39,919 part-time hires uh, that we will be back up uh, basically this past Thursday. 85 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:46,120 Very, very few ships that are not going to be covered for the rest of the year. 86 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,120 We're pretty much back. 87 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:56,880 » I do not know a question officers at I was wondering 24/7. How close are we 88 00:06:54,240 --> 00:07:01,039 being 247 coverage? Uh how much is state police covering us 89 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:06,560 right now? >> Again, as of this past Thursday, very 90 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:10,400 very few. There's probably a handful of ships till the end of the year that I 91 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:16,000 can count that that are that are open. Again, ships they are but for safety 92 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:21,199 reasons but we're we're in really good shape really good shape with the three 93 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,440 parts >> thank you 94 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,800 » are we moving any of those officers the whole time 95 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:34,400 a >> as we can as we can 96 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:36,960 anyone else have anything >> is the microphone open now 97 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:41,919 » yes sir >> okay I didn't hand in one of those 98 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:46,639 kindergarten papers but I will I have some questions. 99 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:51,120 Is um I I I I have a couple questions, but I 100 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:56,240 don't want to answer because I want I don't want to use up the pizza pizza 101 00:07:52,880 --> 00:08:01,440 timer here, but um what's going on with the trail? How far are we with that? Is 102 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:05,919 that going anywhere? Don't answer. And I want to know what's going on with the 103 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:12,960 park. Are we looking to uh get that renovated totally like it was planned? 104 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:20,000 Well, I'm gone 14 months, but nothing's happening with that. Is there anything 105 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:24,400 with taking out the cast iron piping up at Pen Roses, which would have amounted 106 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:30,960 to $500,000 uh to the burrow, 107 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:37,839 and that's why we had a an excavator and we did the water work out at the park 108 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:42,399 and moved the debris that was illegally dumped. 109 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:48,480 um at the park and we moved it down to the 110 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:53,040 uh the trail head where I used to go stock somebody down there which never 111 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:58,420 happened. But anyway, I also want to know in 2024 112 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:03,519 I saw the audit report and [clears throat] we paid the solicitor 24 113 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:10,000 or $25,000. Um and my question is and you can answer 114 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:15,920 these when I'm done. The question is, uh, I was I was running meetings that 115 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:23,839 were done in 20 minutes. So, if you times that by 12, uh, that solicitor was 116 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:27,760 making a lot of money. And, uh, I was just wondering where that came from. And 117 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,360 the other thing was the police department. Everybody questions and 118 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:38,480 wants to thank the police for doing a great job. In 2024, it cost us $1 119 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:45,680 million of a police department. We're I already talked to uh people in 120 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:53,120 Harrisburg that said that they could put a state police substation over here and 121 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:57,600 we could collect around $17,000 a month and 122 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:02,800 uh they could cover Packer Township, they could cover Banks Township, Beaver 123 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:09,519 Meadows, they could cover LNL, they could do a lot of things. Lansford is 124 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:13,920 looking to go to Act 47 shortly. Uh there are other uh towns that are 125 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:19,600 eliminating their police departments. They just can't afford them. And now we 126 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:24,160 pay for a local police department. Oh, that's really cute and that's really 127 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:28,320 good. But we're also paying for the Pennsylvania State Police to cover us 128 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:33,279 statewide. And the last thing I have to say, am I 129 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:37,279 almost up with the pizza timer yet? 22 seconds. 130 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:41,839 » Okay. Well, I just want to say I think we stop we we should stop giving power 131 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:45,279 away when we can't pay for the power ourselves. 132 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:49,600 We're giving it to everybody. We give to the hill climb. We give it to the main 133 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:53,440 park. And I know you say that's fundraising. 134 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:58,560 Well, start fundraising for our fire department. They don't get paid. 135 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,360 Okay. Music started. 136 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:05,480 » Thank you for your comments. >> Yeah. Thank you for not answering. 137 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,560 » I'll call in on the electric. I have no problem paying for our electric counter. 138 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:18,519 » Oh, I know you. >> We could I'll do it. I don't really 139 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,519 care. We could cover it. 140 00:11:20,552 --> 00:11:22,572 [clears throat] 141 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:29,079 » First order of business is discussion on the online payment for credit cards. 142 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,399 I'm not sure if we have to go through that any further than what we just did. 143 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:44,480 » You have to vote on that to accept the current system or anything. Yes, 144 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:49,920 » you probably should, but I guess the question I would probably should, but I 145 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,680 thought you couldn't call in with the credit card anymore. 146 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,000 » We cannot. They can't call in to the office with the credit. 147 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:58,240 » Right. That's what I say. I thought >> there's an online there's an automated 148 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,640 » Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. That's what I was saying. 149 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,839 But you also mentioned calling in. So I thought that was eliminated because it 150 00:12:02,079 --> 00:12:07,360 violated some federal law. >> That's calling into the company where 151 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:10,639 you go online and pay. They do phone ones too. 152 00:12:08,079 --> 00:12:13,839 » Okay. >> Um should we vote to accept it? Yes. 153 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:21,880 » Sure. Yes. >> Could I have a motion to accept the 154 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:21,880 current uh online payment options? 155 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:30,639 I'll make a motion accepted. >> I'll second. 156 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:34,880 » Motion made by Vinnie, seconded by Joe. All those in favor, please say I. 157 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:39,440 » Any opposed? >> Eyes have it. 158 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,920 Next item of business is discussion on Wilbur Street. 159 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:50,399 I would, I guess, ask 160 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:53,600 Mr. Nanovic to respond based on the current information we 161 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:57,839 have. >> Well, when you say the Wilbur Street, 162 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:00,240 this was the woman who had come in. I think it was Eve Scott came in at the 163 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,720 last meeting. >> Okay. We now have a survey that you 164 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,680 would supplied to us. Thank you. But if you look at the survey, it doesn't show 165 00:13:06,079 --> 00:13:10,959 Wilbur Street extending to your property. 166 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:15,360 » I understand that. >> But what I was told back at the time it 167 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:18,240 did. I don't know where Wilbur ended. Yeah, 168 00:13:15,839 --> 00:13:24,639 » back in 90 something, you know, but I always had access and 169 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:28,880 people, you know, even being able to come in through that way. 170 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:33,600 » I I I understand that's how you went there before and and frankly, I was 171 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:37,279 expecting the survey to show that Wilbur Street extended to your property and 172 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:44,600 then we could do something about it, but this survey shows actually that it's 173 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:44,600 crossing over railroad property. So, 174 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:51,120 the owner of that property sitting right here. 175 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,839 » Yeah. >> Excuse me, sir. 176 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:57,079 » Could you could you mould you go to the mic, please? 177 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,160 » This Okay. >> Yes, sir. Perfect. 178 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:06,560 » No. When I bought the >> Announce yourself. I'm sorry. Would you 179 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:12,079 announce yourself so that they have it on record? My fault. Mike Hendrick. I 180 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:17,440 own the the building down there at Wilbur Street. Well, when we were doing 181 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:22,399 that building, we I worked with Harold Pudliner on that. He just got the job, I 182 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:28,880 think, in 96 or something like that. And I asked him about that way between it's 183 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:34,639 an alley they said, but it's actually an easement because there's two seller 184 00:14:31,839 --> 00:14:37,440 doors in that alley. You know, you're not going to drive cars over seller 185 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:42,720 doors and that. And it was just an easement for I think the Scots there to 186 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:46,880 get in and out. And we always had a good relationship down there. I used to plow 187 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:50,959 it further than that. And basically, yeah, that's all it was. I don't think 188 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:55,519 that ever was an alley. >> It was It said it on the It was an alley 189 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:58,480 » with that >> on the station. 190 00:14:56,959 --> 00:15:02,480 » Well, how could it be an alley with with with uh you know, metal doors in the 191 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,320 middle of the >> I used to be able to drive. I don't 192 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:11,199 » Excuse me. We're starting to debate thing again. I I appreciate it. Please. 193 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:15,519 » That's what it was. and he said nobody use that puzzle light item said 194 00:15:13,199 --> 00:15:20,720 something but like so many years nobody use it as that so he just told me to do 195 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:24,240 what I want to do >> okay thank you 196 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:27,920 » that was it I guess all I could possibly say and I might speak out of line here a 197 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:33,360 little bit but if there is if there is an easement paper 198 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,079 » if there's some some legal paperwork we we'd be happy to look at it but 199 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:39,920 » if there's an easement it should have been shown on the survey that's that's 200 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:45,760 why I'm there would be And so are are you P are you saying 201 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,760 you're PA property Owner Solutions LLC? >> Yeah, I own that. 202 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,320 » Oh, you're >> Oh, sorry. 203 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:55,519 » Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You're not you're not David Scott. You're okay. And so how 204 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,639 long Eve [clears throat] Scott came in and 205 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,560 and stated that you're blocking the alley. Are you blocking that alley? 206 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:05,519 » You don't live. You don't live there. >> He was the previous owner of 207 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:08,880 » Oh, you were the previous owner. So Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I never I don't I 208 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,560 didn't even >> Okay. So, it's it's not you. It's the 209 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:14,959 new people who are blocking. Okay. >> I never have a problem. 210 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:21,079 » All right. >> Can I get up and talk? 211 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:21,079 » Yes, you may. 212 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:35,680 » It was an alley. My husband and I used to park our car there and be able to 213 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:42,959 drive it out of there because that was off streetet parking for us when there 214 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:48,720 was snow bands. Even back in the day, it drove all the way back to the back of 215 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:54,480 Wilbur Street where the garages are now. You were able to drive through there 216 00:16:50,800 --> 00:17:00,079 until Mike put his new sidewalk in through Pud Liner above grade. 217 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:04,480 We were we were going to sue, 218 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:10,640 but it wasn't worth the money and the aggravation because the work had already 219 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:16,240 been done. Never were asked by the, you know, the burrow whether we 220 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:22,319 would allow the alleyway to be obstructed. Never got any of that. came 221 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:26,720 home to find a sidewalk above grade which has caused damage to 222 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:34,320 my property actually over the years because of the rain that washes down 223 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:42,080 Carbon Street, washed away my sidewalks. I also had a time with the burl troop uh 224 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:50,240 will Mr. Wilbur, who wanted to find me $1,000 after he washed away my sidewalk 225 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:56,240 and had got a lawyer for that. Mr. Mscavage, who was the solicitor at the 226 00:17:53,039 --> 00:18:01,840 time, told Wilbert to back off because it could cost the burrow a lot of money 227 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:08,000 if we ended up going into court. I never got an easement from him in writing that 228 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:14,559 stated at that point just come in through the back road, you know, that I 229 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:19,440 was always told Wilbur extends out to. If it isn't, then it's Luke Medico's I 230 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,360 guess property in the back and maybe I'll have to talk to him about having 231 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:27,840 easement to get out of the back of my property and that's fine. 232 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:32,640 But Mingle has how many times come up 233 00:18:29,919 --> 00:18:36,960 through my back property to deliver me dirt, 234 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:41,520 whatever. I've had to take cars out of my yard. There's no way I'm getting it 235 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:48,000 up and out of Carbon Street. So, the only access for me was out through that 236 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:53,520 back area of my property. And of course, now I just have renters 237 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:57,360 there that are just, you know, giving me a hard time. But if 238 00:18:55,679 --> 00:19:03,080 I have to go through loop to be able to get easement out of my back property, 239 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,080 that's what I'll do. 240 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:11,919 » But that's how this situation has come about. So yes, it's not on my deed that 241 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:16,400 I have easement >> because it wasn't my property to begin 242 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:19,880 with. From what I understood, it was Wilbur Street. 243 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:27,200 » That would have never been on my property. It just shows and you read it 244 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:31,320 on my deed. It said the alleyway. It states it as an alleyway. 245 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,320 And yeah, no, Mike and I never really had too much issues except for when that 246 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:41,120 initially happened. >> Gotcha. 247 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:45,280 » So that's it. >> All right. Thank you. 248 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,280 » Thank you. 249 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:53,840 Next order of business, discussion and possible motion to approve addendums to 250 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,600 the lease option agreements between the Burough of Wedley and the Schwab School 251 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:01,320 Associates regarding the Schwab School and parking area. 252 00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:08,640 I think you're best suited to do this if I can remember. But I know we have 253 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:12,400 leases for the Schwab school and we have and for the parking area front and I'm 254 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:17,360 reading this right now. I think the agreement provided they were 45 years 255 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:22,240 and we were contacted by the entity that's leasing it. They said their new 256 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:27,360 legal counsel or new or for financing purposes they need a longer lease. So 257 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:31,280 we're extending it to lease the property for a term of 45 years subject to the 258 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,400 terms and conditions option. You shall have an option to extend the term of the 259 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:40,559 lease for one additional period of 30 years. That is for them to pursue this 260 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,559 project. They're asking for that extension. 261 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:52,320 » Could I say something about that? >> I I'll extend you that courtesy even 262 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:56,840 though you don't give me any. But thank you. 263 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,840 » Cuz I was involved with that lease. 264 00:20:57,614 --> 00:21:06,000 [clears throat] Initially, the previous bureau manager 265 00:21:02,159 --> 00:21:10,400 uh and I we discussed because the school district and the because the school 266 00:21:07,919 --> 00:21:16,799 district wouldn't debate the taxes and the county would debate the taxes. 267 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:21,360 I suggested to Harold that we give them a 10-year lease and lease it to them 268 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,039 because that would be an automatic abatement. 269 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,559 And I'm not an attorney, but that's exactly what would happen. They would 270 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:35,360 abate the tax because the burrow would still own it until they filled 271 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:39,840 this building with people. So if they filled it in five years after the 272 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:46,000 construction, it would be over with going 45 years. That's that's crazy. 273 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:51,360 You're going to take that off the tax rolls for 45 more years. It's been off 274 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:58,799 the tax rolls and Wesley Burrow has been taking care of that property for years. 275 00:21:55,039 --> 00:22:03,679 And my thing when I was sitting in your seat was to get rid of these properties 276 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:10,320 so we don't have to maintain them. That's cost us a lot of money. And I was 277 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:17,280 looking to eliminate all these costs that we're paying to cut grass to take 278 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:23,200 care of snow removal going 45 years. Where does that make sense? And if this 279 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:29,720 council votes to go for a 45 year lease over 10 years, you're nuts. That's all I 280 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,720 got to say. 281 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,919 » Anybody from council have any discussion regarding this? 282 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,559 » Who owns the property now? >> I'm sorry. 283 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,120 » Who owns the property? >> We own the property the property. Yeah. 284 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,600 » It's not taxable. >> It's not out of tax. Has not been for 10 285 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:50,640 or 15 years and 100 years before that. 286 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:54,400 I I have a question. If we don't approve this, is that going to put an end to the 287 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,280 project? Because then we're stuck at that building. 288 00:22:55,039 --> 00:23:00,400 » That's what they tell us. Yes. >> So, you can either do it or be stuck at 289 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:06,440 that building. >> Stop with it. Terry School. It only cost 290 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,440 a million to be done. 291 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,440 » What do you bring to the town? >> We're doing We're doing the thing again. 292 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,799 » Whatever happened to the Saber school money? Where is that? Could 293 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:33,520 I speak? >> I They had it. How long? And they've 294 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:38,080 done nothing. So, what's to say they're going to do 295 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:42,000 something in the next 45 years? I don't think we should honor their requests. 296 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,000 I'm very sorry. >> Okay. 297 00:23:45,296 --> 00:23:47,316 » [snorts] 298 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:56,720 » Well, the way if they wish to exercise the option, they have to notify us by 299 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,880 the end of this year. That's what it says. So, if they were do doing this, 300 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,679 they have to exercise the option and that's when the lease starts. 301 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:10,320 » I thought they were already leasing it. >> No, no, they just have an option. They 302 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:15,679 just have an option to lease it at this point. 303 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:20,720 Attorney, you you know that the Pennsylvania Housing Finance Agency 304 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,200 approved their financing. >> I don't know who approved their 305 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:26,640 financing. >> I know they talked about the Royal Bank 306 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:31,279 of Canada at some point being their financing. 307 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:35,360 They had several sources of their grant money and they had other financing. I 308 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:41,600 mean, it was a multi-million dollar project. Yes, I'm not aware of that. And 309 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:49,120 we had a $250,000 grant to down the annex and I saw a quote for 140,000 and 310 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:55,840 this manager said, "Oh, they bid it and Eliz came in over 250." They never bid 311 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:59,480 it. You guys never bid that. That never happened. 312 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:12,240 Mike, when I questioned that about the school, the gymnasium being ripped down, 313 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:16,559 » you all told me that the people that are buying the school are in charge and they 314 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,640 said not to do it, that they would take care of it. 315 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,840 » That's correct. >> That was included in their initial 316 00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:26,880 package that they were going to include demolition and it looks like now that 317 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:33,360 the burrow will be bidding it out. >> Okay. But it was it was it it was bid 318 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:36,960 out with their initial package and the bids came in extremely high. 319 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:41,520 » Oh, I thought you bid it out. >> I did not bid it out. I said it was 320 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:47,039 » Did we get the $250,000 grant? >> Yes. That was going into 321 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:53,000 » that was going into their package as a as a whole package to to do the whole 322 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000 school. 323 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:57,919 » But that grant was to the bur. >> Yes. 324 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,480 » Not to them. Yes, it was supposed to be working with them in conjunction in in 325 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,679 the whole project >> doing anything. 326 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:08,080 » Well, it's because the inves they needed investors and 327 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:13,760 they had to find different investors. They had to move things the credits to 328 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:19,200 another year this year. Um and they and they got approval for all of that. 329 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:24,960 » Well, well, Tracy Andrea gave us a quote and you have it in your desk somewhere 330 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:32,080 because I saw it for $140,000. But we had a bid or a grant for 250. 331 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,720 Is $140,000 less than $250,000? 332 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,760 » I would say >> again, Mr. Hadzik, 333 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:46,640 » it was put in with their initial bid for the whole project. We will be bidding it 334 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:51,799 out now as a separate project. >> We own the property. We can do what we 335 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,799 want with it. 336 00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:00,240 They give you 45 years to fix it. Is that Is that a 337 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:04,679 » No. No. >> It would take one year to tear it down. 338 00:27:07,038 --> 00:27:09,058 [cough] 339 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,080 » Sorry. I'm out of control. 340 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:20,000 » I make a motion that we Somebody make a motion that we table this so that we can 341 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:23,600 get some facts together and have a meeting. 342 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,240 I'll make a motion that we table this vote. 343 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:29,679 » I'll second. >> All those in favor? 344 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,000 » I. >> All opposed. 345 00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:46,960 Can I get a motion to adjourn to executive? 346 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:52,320 » I make a motion. Executive. >> I'm sorry. 347 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,320 » Please. 348 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:08,399 Okay. Again, my name is Donna Neper. I live at 3314 Street in town. Last 349 00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:13,679 meeting, I had discussed the issue with the roosters. 350 00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:20,080 We now have more new roosters in town. That's not my main concern. My concern 351 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:24,880 is I brought up the issue of Mr. Braun, you had asked me for an address. 352 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:30,480 Um, Mr. Brun had a discussion with my 353 00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:36,559 stepfather uh about 354 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:42,080 the address, by the way, is 647 West Main Street. 355 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:47,600 That's the address. He had a a short conversation with my stepfather stating 356 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:52,000 that the burrow had no right to do anything with his property and every 357 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:59,520 time Mr. Pudliner would send him a letter that he would go to the ACLU. The 358 00:28:56,399 --> 00:29:05,200 American Civil Liberty Union has nothing to do with the code enforcement officer. 359 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:09,200 Last Saturday, he came to my parents house. He has not been in my parents 360 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:14,080 house for at least two years. He came there specifically to see what I look 361 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:19,200 like. He has made the statement that if I continue to complain about the blight 362 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:24,480 of his property, he has intentions of suing me. If he sues me, I'm going to 363 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:28,480 turn around and I'm going to sue the burrow and I'm going to sue the code 364 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:33,840 enforcement officer. I have already spoken to a lawyer in Philadelphia, 365 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:38,559 explained the situation, taken pictures of the property, and sent it to them 366 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:42,559 because nobody is doing anything with his 367 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,399 property. Nobody. It's this has been going on for years. 368 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:51,200 He used to threaten Mr. Pudliner with the same thing. I'm going to call the 369 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:56,480 ACLU. The AC What the hell does the ACLU have to do with the blight of a 370 00:29:52,960 --> 00:30:00,799 property? The other day, Tom went flying up the road in the red truck, turned 371 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:06,159 around and came flying back, never even stopped at that property. 372 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:11,279 Again, I don't want to be redundant, but people are getting letters that their 373 00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:15,200 grass is 6 in high, but bronze property is ridiculous. 374 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:21,600 and to threaten me that you're going to sue me if I'm bringing up your property. 375 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:26,320 It's I mean there's probably so many code enforcement laws that he's breaking 376 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:30,880 and nothing is being done. And then you come in my parents house so you can see 377 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:35,360 what I look like when you haven't been there for three years. But he saw my car 378 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:40,480 pulling up into their driveway. So, he came to see what I look like because 379 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:47,360 somebody from last month's meeting texted his wife and said, "Conniey's 380 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:51,279 daughter brought up your house as a blighted property." 381 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,279 So, I don't know who who here in the meeting did it, but somebody did it. And 382 00:30:52,880 --> 00:31:01,919 I really don't care. But again, he sues me. 383 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:06,320 I will sue the burrow and I will sue the code enforcement officer for turning a 384 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,320 You just keep turning your head and nobody wants to do anything with that 385 00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:14,640 property. Nothing. I apologize. So, something needs to be 386 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,039 done. >> Okay. 387 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:22,799 » I'm just I mean, I'm not threatening. I'm not saying he's going to do it, but 388 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:27,520 if he does because I bring it up, then I have no recourse but to to sue 389 00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:36,159 back. >> Okay. and the roosters. Um, the guy that 390 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:41,120 had them, it's I live on Oak Alley, so Paul Stever's on the end and I'm the 391 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:45,919 second house in. So, if you count four houses down from me, 392 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:52,399 he had two young ones and they they were biting him. So, he got rid of them. Now, 393 00:31:48,000 --> 00:32:00,080 he has two new ones. And the house, the last house, if you're coming toward 394 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:04,720 Uranate, Uranate Park on Dean Alley, the last house on Dean Alley, he still has 395 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:09,519 his. And I showed them to Tom and Tom saw them 396 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:17,600 while I was in Tom's truck and I showed them to Tom and they're still there. 397 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:23,279 And I don't know how many meetings it may have been before Mr. Pudliner 398 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:29,640 retired, but he did state that the code 399 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,640 enforcement 400 00:32:31,267 --> 00:32:38,320 [snorts] rule that was written was written in error that you can have up to 401 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:43,039 20 hens or chickens, whatever. Roosters are not allowed in town. If you go back 402 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,840 and look at those meetings, I don't know which one it was, but those were his 403 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,840 specific words. Roosters are not allowed in town. 404 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:56,000 » That is true. >> Well, we have more than that on just on 405 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:59,840 Fourth Street. You you ride up several there's some up on West Main Street by 406 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:02,559 where my parents live. >> Okay. 407 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,760 » And we keep getting more and more and more. And I don't work. I put my windows 408 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,159 up at night, but I don't like getting up at 4:00 in the morning. And these 409 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:16,640 things, I thought they stopped once the light came up. They don't. They crow all 410 00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:20,480 day long. >> Okay. 411 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,760 » All right. I will I will get back to Tom again. Thank you. 412 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,760 » Thank you. 413 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:31,600 » If I get a motion to executive session, please. 414 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:36,080 » I'll make a motion we go with the executive session. 415 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:40,880 » Are we going in executive session or are you adjourning the meeting? I'm sorry. I 416 00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:43,519 apologize. Can I get a motion to go into executive session? 417 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,880 » I'll make a motion to go into executive session. 418 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,039 » Second. >> Anybody? 419 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:54,159 » I'll second. >> All in favor? 420 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:57,159 » All oppose? Pass. 421 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:13,359 » She was here. He came in late actually. >> Yeah, he was over there. 422 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,560 » Ask for a motion to adjurnn. Please >> make a motion to adjurnn. 423 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,599 » I'll second it. >> Motion made by Norman, seconded by Jeff. 424 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,200 » All in favor? >> I 425 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,800 » I remember the days with Mrs. G sitting next to me. Now let's get out of