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meeting order. Would you like to stand

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. Thank you.

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Agenda review. Is there anything on the

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agenda that anyone would like to change

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Um, is this a point to add for future

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agenda items, too? Was that No, we'll do

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that when we get that. Okay. All right.

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Okay. Okay. Comments from any select

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board members. Anything not on the

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agenda? I just want to say as I just

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said to Kelly, I have seen more of the

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sheriff's department in the last nine

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days than I have seen

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of our previous chief in many years many

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which makes me very happy.

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Manager, anything? Oh, I can reserve our

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report. Thank you. Citizens, anything

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not on the agenda?

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Mrs. Erison. Oh, yes. Erison. Uh, Chip

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everyone knew that he had written a

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comprehensive history of the

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Weathersteel Veterans Memorial Monument,

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the Monument Committee, and the Veterans

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Committee. copies are available at the

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library and at the historical society,

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but the library's copy will be the one

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that will circulate. Anyway, he just

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wanted me to to make sure that everyone

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knew that all questions can be answered.

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Anybody else?

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Review minutes from the previous

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meeting.

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Um, yes, there were

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Oh, there's one place where it says I'm

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Mr. Henderson.

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And there's one of the fireworks display

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calls for fireworks right there. Um,

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then there was something else that was

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also not grievously well, but it's

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sitting next to a long

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Motion to approve minutes. I am approve

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that minutes to mister. No m

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we approve the minutes of May 27th,

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2025.

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There a second. I second.

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All those in favor? I I

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is Janessa Road is that still

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recognition

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fireworks display?

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Did everyone have an opportunity to

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review the memo? Any questions for me?

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Um, not in terms of this particular case

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and any broader question of fireworks.

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So, let's do this one. Okay.

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Great. Uh, the recommendation is to deny

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It was graduation tonight. Um, yeah, he

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wasn't able to make it over here. I did

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and I told him I'd give him an update

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tomorrow. So

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did he did he have any comments or

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questions regarding the

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questions that

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you you post in the in the the memo?

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communication. Um we did a lot of

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research and um what we found is that

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Springfield is also in a similar issue.

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this year. After the Supreme Court

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ruling, evidence discovered that um the

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select board only has the authority to

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approve uh supervised public displays.

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Um and this is for a a private display.

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The implication being the others can't

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be held or we just don't have any

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control of them.

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board can only approve public displays.

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accordance with 20 VSA 3132, it has been

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interpreted by the Vermont Cycling Court

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and also as guidance from the Vermont

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Division of Fire Safety directs the town

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is only authorized under title 20 of the

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Vermont statutes to issue permits for

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supervised public displays of fireworks.

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interpreting that um is fairs holiday

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celebrations or other public gatherings,

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but this is a private display. Correct.

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So that doesn't apply.

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back up. I think that Yeah,

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that the fact that the insurance doesn't

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appear to cover damages from from

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fireworks.

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he's waiting to hear back from them on

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whether they would cover it.

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what we've been talking about with the

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town attorney and also other towns, if

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the town granted the firework

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defleation,

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it wouldn't be following the letter of

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the law. And if something did happen, we

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could be at risk of liability if the

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damages were beyond with an insurance

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cover. So, which letter of the law would

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we not be in compliance with if we

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approved this application? It's not a

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public a supervised public display, but

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it's not a public display. It's a

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private party, right? Correct. I'm I'm

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confused. So, it's the town only has the

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authority to grant uh firework permits

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for supervised public displays. Oh, so

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we can't approve any application for

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private. Correct.

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based on I'm sorry. Is that based on the

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recent Supreme Court ruling? It was

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certainly our This person didn't stand a

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chance at complying because our policy

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says nothing about that. That is

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correct. Um and I did go over that with

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the town attorney and the town attorney

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did issue additional guidance for that

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if you'd like me to.

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Well, I would. Yes. Okay.

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because this isn't in the Supreme Court

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decision is not in the state statute

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which as of today said it was current to

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2024. So was this Supreme Court decision

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since then? It was the 2020

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Supreme Court ruling the town of

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Colchester um versus

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certainly the language supervised public

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displays is not in the state statute.

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given that it's my understanding we

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approved this application last year. I

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there was no approval for an application

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last year. There wasn't an application

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last year. I think it's a

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misunderstanding.

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Okay. So the fireworks that we set up

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last year were done without a permit.

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Correct. Yep. I feel better now. So

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according to town attorney, it looks

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like many of the past applications had

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Northstar fireworks as the operator and

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they had insurance. So if those were for

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public displays, I think those permits

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were appropriate. Even if they were not,

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the Supreme Court has highlighted that

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the statute is very poorly written and

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lacks clarity. So the town would not be

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bound to approve similar permits going

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forward just because it may have done so

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in error in the past.

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I I think that makes more sense. the

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fact that this is not a public display.

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I wouldn't bring into this because I

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don't think our policy or state statute

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says that.

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attorney and I do believe the policy

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needs to be updated. Um so we're going

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to be bringing that forward. There's

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also been another fireworks application.

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gentleman to determine whether his is a

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supervised public display or not. And if

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it is, we'll be bringing that

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application forward. So the lack of a

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competent operator. Yep. That's one.

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This despite there being no definition

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of that, but no one has been identified

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in this application as being

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responsible.

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Northstar fireworks in the past has been

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the competent operator for but in this

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application they're not mentioned. Nope.

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So okay. and the lack of insurance and

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we did not have police sign off on this

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application. If I recall, we had fire

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department but not police. Yes, that is correct.

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Um my question is is state law is there

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a state law that prohibits any type of

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fireworks that are personal use not for

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public use? Yes. So if we

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it's just as simple as I'm gonna pull

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this up here.

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fireworks legal in Vermont. Um what you

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find is in Vermont fireworks are

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generally illegal with the exception of

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permitted supervised public displays. Um

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the use, possession, sale and

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distribution of fireworks are only legal

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after a permit is obtained for a public

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display. And then if you type in

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somewhere like Maine, yes, consumer

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fireworks are legal in Hampshire.

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Yes, Mr. Palmer. So there's a difference

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even when you just search.

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Uh so just to jump in here, talking

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about police approval, doesn't sound

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like anything that I would sign off on.

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It sounds like it's uh going to cause a

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lot of headaches. People in town

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generally complain about fireworks that

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are not part of a public display during

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late July 4th or those type of things.

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uh just as Brandon said there, fireworks

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are not legal to uh shoot off or possess

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a town permit. in the

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however where Turby is is not to me it

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doesn't sound like it meets the

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you know the category of a public

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display and stuff. So my advice is law

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enforcement for your community would be

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just to exist and unfortunately it's too

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bad for them

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I don't think it would make sense to

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approve it. soon.

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So, you're saying he won't sign this

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application?

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From the little bit I know, it sounds

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like it doesn't meet that

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um laid out in statute and I miss what

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the Supreme Court decision was. Branch,

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what did they say in the Supreme Court

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decision? So, the um let me pull that up

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real quick. Can I just finish my

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thought? I just our application, our

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policy requires sign off from police and

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fire. And if we have fire, but if the

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police department is not going to sign

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the application, then that does give us

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very clear grounds without getting into

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the Supreme Court decision on this

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application or denying. Okay. I'm

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uncomfortable denying it on the grounds

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of something that none of us had seen

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before tonight and certainly this

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applicant was not aware of. I think but

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state statute is very clear that state

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statute does not reference the Supreme

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Court decision. Okay, sorry. But state

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statute does say that the select board

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only has the authority to approve

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supervised public displays. I did not

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find that language in 3132.

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But so case law and statute are two

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different things. But the Supreme Court

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so case law is a a court interpreting

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the statute and if so if their

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interpretation

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uh which happened after the statute was

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passed if they say u is for public

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displays that's the interpretation of

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the law and that's how the law ends up

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being enforced. So even though the

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statute has some uh

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vagness there with the Supreme Court

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making a ruling on it, that's how that's

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called case law. And so that's how

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legally then um law enforcement in the

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lands to interpret how that statute is

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to be enforced. And I beg forgiveness.

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Under item uh B, the state fire marshall

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may adopt reasonable rules for granting

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permits for supervised public displays

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of fires. It's not under the part that

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applies to what we can do. So that's why

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I blanked that out, but it is there. So

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anyway, I I'm just I want to be very

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clear on if I vote to deny this that

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it's on

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grounds that are quite solid and clear

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that the applicant is not able to comply

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with our current policy in our

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application.

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John

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fireworks for about 13 years for

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Northstar fireworks. And most all the

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shows that I've done have been display

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which are the bigger stuff. Uh once in a

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while Northstar does do class, it's

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called class C and 1.3 which is the

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display. Um, I took the time because it

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interested me because of uh my

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association with Northstar to try to

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follow this and see what u interpret it.

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So I contacted U Landon Wheeler with

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second command at fire uh safety in

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water and I asked him about public

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versus private and his comment this is

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going to be pretty much a quote. If it's

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in front of an audience it's public. He

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said, he said, "We do not consider any

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show private."

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What he said. Um, but with that said, I

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will say that Vermont state law has not

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been changed in a long time. I'm not

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even sure when the the statute that's in

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force right now was written, but it it

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and it's and it's lacking. And uh

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there's been some efforts in the past to

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get it modified so that it was a little

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cleaner and didn't throw the

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responsibility on every select board in

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the state of Vermont to decide yay or

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nay. And I asked him about responsible

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operator. This is what he said. And this

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once again I'm talking about the

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consumer stuff that you can buy in

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Vermont. There's two stores in Vermont

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that sell fireworks or you can buy

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across the river. And he said did they

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read the directions that came with it?

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Did they follow him? And that was the

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end of what he said. Uh there is no

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certification in Vermont for a certified

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fireworks operator. I don't have a

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certification in Vermont. It's expired,

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but I have one in New Hampshire that's

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tested. Should Vermont get a little more

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strict? They probably should. Are there

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problems in Vermont with fireworks? Yes,

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there are. But the problem is when the

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town doesn't know about them, um,

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leaving the neighbors concerns aside,

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it's a lot easier if you know that the fireworks are going to go on. As far

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as the public or private, if you take

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that to an extreme,

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um, I'm going to use another example

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that was in my house. We put on a

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fireworks show for my daughter's

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wedding. You wouldn't have been able to

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permit because it's not public. You had

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to be invited. that would and if that

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gets taken to an extreme in Vermont,

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nobody will be able to put on a

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fireworks show unless they invite the

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whole community. Maybe it's a good

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thing, maybe that's a bad, but it

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nonetheless, it isn't what

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fire prevention has in mind. Keep in

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mind, they said, and this is a quote,

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it's not in writing. He just said, if

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it's in front of an audience, it's

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public. I would challenge that if I was

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a grammar expert, which I'm not, but

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they really do need to to tighten up the

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laws and and figure out so that it

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doesn't put the onus on you guys. And

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another thing he said was it's whatever

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the select board is comfortable with.

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And you know, I looked at the

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application and his sentbacks met code

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um in NFDA. Part of the law is NFDA 1193

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and it says 70 ft for every inch of

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shell. He's got inch and 3/4. So he's

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got to be 125 ft away from uh his

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audience and he's got that. Um the even

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the shows that we shoot, we shoot up to

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6 in and then you go out 350 ft. And if

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it's even a variances on that, you can

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angle it and you can cut it by one/3.

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Um, but anyway, that that's kind of a

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secondary thing. But I think the way

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that fire prevention is interpreting it

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is is important. Um, but it's your guy's

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decision to make

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somebody else over there. I can't see

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who it is.

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Yes. I don't know what Wayne Johnson I

401
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don't know what's the laws have changed

402
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over the years but I do know that when

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my kids graduated college I came to the

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town it was back a few years when Peter

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Cole was still the town manager and Dick

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uh Brown was the chief of police and I

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asked if I could get a firework display

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what could I do could I put on put on

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fireworks the what Dick told me is

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fireworks other than the spacers and

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stuff are illegal in Vermont illegal to

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be sold or purchased in Vermont. He

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goes, "No, if they miraculously somehow

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appear in your garage, his words, he

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goes, I don't know anything about it,

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but he goes and Peter told me, uh, well,

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there is no fireworks commission. I

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don't know when the select board started

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granting permits. I don't know when that

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happened. My wife was actually working

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for the town half of the time, and they

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did actually have a fireworks commission

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to get grant permits for licensed

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operators to put on public fireworks

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displays. So it's my understanding that

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all fireworks are still illegal over as

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what John said there's two places that

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you can purchase them. I that's news to

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me. I didn't know and I'm you know uh

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but from my understanding it was always

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did I put on a show? Yes, I did. I still

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put on a show but as uh uh

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Peter Cole and Chief Brown also told me

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at the time. However, be aware that he

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said, "If something from your fireworks

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lands on your neighbor's roof, sets a

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fire." He goes, "You could be setting

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yourself up for a lawsuit." And at the

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time, the select board was not granting

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permits because, as Peter said, also

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that could be setting the talent for a

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lawsuit. If they're granting permits and

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they don't have a firework commission,

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the select board, now I don't know when

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the select board became the firework

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commission, too, but that's all I have

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to now. lawsuits could change. I may be

448
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behind foot

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people.

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Thank you.

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I see what I said before. Fireworks

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aren't illegal. They're illegal to to

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disasseal

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to shoot without permit. So waiting.

455
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Uh I was on the board when the existing

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ordinance was uh uh hatched out and we

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had all the same discussions that you're

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having tonight and all the aspects of

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it. Nothing's changed in state law. I

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can't speak for fire prevention. They've

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become more lax or less lax. I I I don't

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recall consulting with them. But

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nonetheless, we we did take all the

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things that you're taking into

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consideration.

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And we also felt that it was important

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to have something on the books so that

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people could legally, if you will, shoot

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them. And at least the neighbors would

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know, and this is a good example, if

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that ferment didn't come in, he did it

472
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anyway. By the time um the sheriff's

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department got there, whoever happened

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to get there, they'd be all done and it

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would be their choice whether or not

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they cighted. I think it's much better

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to have something on the books so that

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people can come in and at least attempt

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to do it legally as opposed to just

480
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let's face it, you go around on the 4th

481
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of July, there's stuff flying in the air

482
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everywhere. It's part of summer.

483
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Um so

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I agree with John and thank you John

485
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because I thought of you. I just didn't

486
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bring you up. I figured you'd come along

487
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some.

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Um

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maybe would it be possible if we if we

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hold off on this until our next meeting

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that brings it to the 23rd and brings us

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inside of the window. I think it

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requires 15 days or prior to the event.

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Can we wave that 15 days based on our

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situation? give him another two weeks to

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give us a writer on the insurance policy

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and the name of a qualified individual

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if that like you said even

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John you could go fire him for him in my

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opinion you know more about it than

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anybody in the room

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um

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is that possible

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Yeah,

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I mean it would have to be a published

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display and not a private. Well, I think

507
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but if that definition is correct,

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he still need at least to sign off. He's

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already said he would

510
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I would have to sign off on it as well.

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I mean, if really wants it, I fine. I

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sign off. I guess my what I meant by

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that is my advice. It sounds like it

514
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doesn't meet the definition. I think

515
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some hearsay of oh this guy said anybody

516
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watching this public from a law

517
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enforcement standpoint somebody's

518
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private property the people you invited

519
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I wouldn't consider that a public

520
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display but not sure that if you guys

521
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really want this person fireworks

522
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display it's fine just sounds like it's

523
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it also if I it also gives the gentleman

524
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an opportunity to come before us as we

525
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had requested he's missed that tonight

526
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because of graduation that's you know

527
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just a scheduling thing. Uh I I would

528
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also Is auxberry online? No, he says

529
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graduation. Oh, because there was the

530
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concern there with the animals. Yeah.

531
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Which I understand as well. See, I would

532
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also maybe afford him another

533
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opportunity to weigh in on this. Um

534
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perhaps there's a question.

535
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He said he was firing an inch and 3/4.

536
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John, excuse me. You said he was firing

537
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an inch and 3/4 was his request. That's

538
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what it says on the application. So, but

539
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we don't know how many how long.

540
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Um I I had some other questions kind of

541
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based on the drawing of where he's

542
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firing the direction he's firing. He

543
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,159
shows a tree line. Is that didn't go

544
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:04,480
into a field or is that over a forest?

545
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,480
He didn't put down the fallout zone. um

546
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,279
that that ambassador and and I'm not

547
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:12,799
going to say there's no fallout from

548
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,400
consumer fireworks, but it's pretty

549
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,440
minimal. Okay. Well, again, thank you.

550
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,360
I'm learning more as we go along. I

551
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,039
could ask everybody in the room that has

552
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,840
shot fireworks in their life to raise

553
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,720
their hand.

554
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:35,750
I I did it. I did it once.

555
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,159
Um obviously over the over the years

556
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:40,240
since the application

557
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,240
um was presented by whenever that was um

558
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,919
the fire department standpoint has been

559
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:50,159
meet that we look at the criterias of

560
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,559
the mapping what the safety protocol

561
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,919
that he puts in place and obviously the

562
00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:58,400
conditions of the weather at that point.

563
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,200
Um obviously on there it is um both fire

564
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,720
department permits have to sign off on

565
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,240
it. Didn't matter what side of town it

566
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,200
was. also the fire warden and it does

567
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,159
state in the permit um that that uh I

568
00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:12,400
think it's two days prior to the event

569
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,840
and they have to reach out to the fire

570
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,679
warden uh to uh find out what the uh

571
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:22,320
fire statuses of um uh if we're going to

572
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,120
allow it or not allow it depending on

573
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,080
the level of fire safety for the forest

574
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,840
fire. Uh but that that's that's why both fire departments have been under

575
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,120
the pressure. Obviously what was brought

576
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,720
up tonight about the statute change uh

577
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,440
versus private versus you know that was

578
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,760
never

579
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,200
this was brought up prior to that.

580
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,000
Thank you.

581
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,400
John made a really good point though if

582
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,760
people are there watching it. It's

583
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,320
public display.

584
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,279
Um, and I think he clarified private

585
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:05,520
with with the wedding uh analogy, which

586
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
is, you know, those are invite invites

587
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,960
only. And maybe I still think if you got

588
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,720
300 people that you invited to a wedding

589
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,640
and you were shooting that's still

590
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,320
public display, you got 300 people

591
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,549
watching it, still an audience.

592
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,200
One of the thing that that Wheeler said

593
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,440
was that they are trying not to adore

594
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,679
it. They don't want to have regulations.

595
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:32,480
He understands that the existing law

596
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,000
leaves problems like this. But believe

597
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,679
it or not, in Vermont, they don't want

598
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:40,400
to overregulated or adds add things.

599
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,799
They uh I think they're they're really

600
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,440
uh sherping their responsibility.

601
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,200
And I'll I'm going to pursue that a

602
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,919
little bit with land that um it's not

603
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,039
fair to dump it on every 252

604
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,840
boards in Vermont to make their own

605
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,760
decision. Most of the I tell you right

606
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,840
now that a lot of towns don't even have

607
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,200
a permit system for display fireworks.

608
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,720
We did one in Andover, Vermont, and they

609
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,760
didn't have a thing. So, the office

610
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,919
sends out a generic one. The select

611
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:13,760
still has to sign off on it, but

612
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,440
nonetheless, it's a generic format.

613
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,159
Do we need a motion to continue? Yeah, I

614
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:22,000
make a motion to continue review this

615
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,149
application to our next meeting.

616
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:29,360
So 23

617
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,440
23rd

618
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,440
I'm sorry. No, no, we're we're second before, right? Two weeks

619
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,399
would be 23rd

620
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:41,600
June 23rd meeting

621
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,360
with the request that the applicant be

622
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,320
present and then

623
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,440
additional insurance information. I

624
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240
think also answer

625
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,080
public display which I think is the

626
00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:02,549
thing that makes our decision.

627
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,960
Yeah,

628
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,200
that that one bothers me less than the

629
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,039
um um I'll second the motion invincibly

630
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,880
for now and now we go into discussion.

631
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,679
Um I'm more concerned with the you know

632
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:19,520
somebody knowing that somebody knows

633
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,799
who's handling the event and the fire

634
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,200
that's kind of important.

635
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,960
What does the select board consider a

636
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,880
competent operator? Well, that's what

637
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,990
John Harrison

638
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,080
Well, he might know fireworks. He might

639
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,320
not be confident, but everybody that

640
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,029
comes home with all their appendages.

641
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:48,480
Um, hold on, Brian. Oh, well, I almost

642
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,320
I mean,

643
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,159
maybe get to the first town controversy

644
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:53,520
here, but I mean the division of fire

645
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,480
safety's own packet that they put out on

646
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,840
their website. I mean, fireworks are

647
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,679
dangerous in particular, blah, blah, Uh, public fireworks displays

648
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:03,120
conducted by trained professionals and

649
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,120
supervised by the local fire department.

650
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,440
They're good alternatives. Um, and

651
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320
again, I just think

652
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,520
I think there's a lot of literature out

653
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,039
there that saying needs to be a public

654
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,880
display. And if you're saying, well, 300

655
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,200
people, but if I wasn't but if you

656
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,200
weren't wanted there, they could kick

657
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,279
you out, right? That's not public. If

658
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,720
you guys hold a Fourth of July

659
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,200
celebration and light off fireworks,

660
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,159
that's public display. I really disagree

661
00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:32,159
uh from a legal standpoint that someone

662
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:33,679
would say that just because you have

663
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:34,960
people at your house, that's a public

664
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,440
display. Uh you're on private property,

665
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,679
people are there by invitation only. Um

666
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:42,159
and I think the idea that there might be

667
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,399
not a a definition of a trained

668
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,399
professional or wherever the or

669
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:50,240
competent operator um you know just a

670
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,720
random person saying oh yeah I'm I'm

671
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880
trained in this um I think you're also

672
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,200
opening yourself up

673
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,000
you know to everybody's going to start

674
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,600
applying for fireworks permits and then

675
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,360
what do you say no this doesn't make

676
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,960
sense

677
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,720
and also wants to be supervised with

678
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,279
fire department I'm just saying I

679
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,080
you're going down a road here

680
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,000
seems I don't know a lot of other towns

681
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:21,430
have approved this

682
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480
and I uh clearly I'm catching up but I I

683
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,960
do agree with what John said about have

684
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,640
it is right if people are going to do

685
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,080
fireworks it's kind of nice to know

686
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,240
ahead of time some of us with animals it

687
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,840
is nice to know say you have in the barn

688
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,240
out on a one strand electric fence uh

689
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,120
you know uh it is I mean there and maybe

690
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,559
there isn't a legal pathway because

691
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,480
there isn't a legal it's not legal but

692
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,720
uh making sure that we're correct on

693
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,720
that because if there is a pathway to

694
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,320
permit it that is the better pathway uh

695
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,799
in my opinion so that the neighbors know

696
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,840
etc etc

697
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,600
I don't I don't love fire fireworks

698
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,440
going off on the 4th of July because you

699
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,919
know out talking the dogs but uh but

700
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:08,240
that's I have a kid who should fireworks

701
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,960
completely um or or start fireworks. Um

702
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,039
I think the problem is state statute not

703
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,440
being conflicting.

704
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,039
Um

705
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,760
I'll send a bad position which leaves

706
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,039
town council very skeptical the sheriff

707
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:30,559
myself.

708
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,360
Um I will I will obtain this clarity

709
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,320
before the next meeting.

710
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,440
As you say it has to be within 15 days.

711
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,960
That was our that was our own policy.

712
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,000
Well the state of Vermont their little

713
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,799
hand out the fire division fires in 15

714
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,240
days needs to be approved. So I don't

715
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,320
know. Okay. I'm aware of that 15 days,

716
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,120
but if you have a policy in the division

717
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,760
of fire safety has a policy, it might be

718
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,480
under the title 20 30 31 in that area

719
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,240
that um under permitting in 15 days. I

720
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,840
can't imagine if you guys made that up

721
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,519
and fire safety made it up all at once.

722
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,440
So, I think

723
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,360
we could hold a special meeting if you

724
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,640
guys want to meet that requirement.

725
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,919
But policy reference I I could have

726
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:27,120
missed it when I read it, but does it

727
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,960
reference an application date or an

728
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,080
approval date?

729
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,480
The the other that would put the other

730
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,960
in jeopardy as well because it's not

731
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,919
that

732
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:42,320
and we've kicked the can twice now down

733
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
into 90. Yeah. You know, it's not the

734
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,480
applicant's error that he's late on the

735
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,919
application.

736
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:52,080
That's why I mentioned possibly waving

737
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,080
that. Um because he certainly meant that

738
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:01,039
it's us that's holding that up, right?

739
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,840
And the fire departments are aware, you

740
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,760
know,

741
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,919
neighbors are aware. Says applications

742
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:09,599
for permit shall be made to the town

743
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,079
manager and writing at least 21 days in

744
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,960
advance the database. And he's more than

745
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,349
met that. Mhm.

746
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,839
This was at our last meeting

747
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:25,990
14 days ago.

748
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,079
And one last thing then I'll shut up.

749
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,240
Part of I did check on this.

750
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,240
Hard to believe.

751
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,440
But what triggered it was that people

752
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,879
were showing up, especially in the

753
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:43,119
Rutland area, with a U-Haul full of

754
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:44,960
fireworks and putting up beside their

755
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,599
own and selling them. And that wasn't a

756
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,280
great setup because they didn't have

757
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,639
proper ATF um proper credentials or um

758
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,599
and that really is what triggered it,

759
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,839
I'm not disputing what it says because

760
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,240
it does talk about the displays, but

761
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,160
it's that was what triggered that

762
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,160
Supreme Court case. was a sale of

763
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,800
fireworks and that pretty much has been

764
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,079
snuffed out. Um the only place right now

765
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:13,920
that I'm aware of you can buy them are

766
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:27,349
any

767
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:28,640
motion to carry this to the next

768
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,359
meeting. Everyone in favor?

769
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:35,680
Any extensions? Motion carries. Next

770
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,920
meeting

771
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,030
agenda.

772
00:35:41,040 --> 00:36:02,230
Okay. 1034.

773
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,160
I'd like to take a moment to recognize

774
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,480
our significant milestone for the town

775
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,079
of Lisfield.

776
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:09,839
As part of our continued efforts, the

777
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:11,440
fire department committee and I work

778
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,520
collaborative collaboratively to create

779
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,280
the new position of municipal fire

780
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,440
chief.

781
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,960
After a thorough and thoughtful

782
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,040
selection process, the committee

783
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,359
unanimously recommended Josh Combo for

784
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:25,119
that role.

785
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,040
In accordance with that recommendation,

786
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,680
I officially appointed Mr. Cono as well

787
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,200
as Phil's first ministerial fire chief.

788
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,800
At this time, I'll turn the meeting over

789
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,880
to the town clerk, Fan, who will

790
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:59,030
administer the oath of office to

791
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,599
Um I the undersound undersigned town

792
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,079
manager of the town of Wesfield, Vermont

793
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,560
under the authority given to me by law

794
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,400
do hereby

795
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,880
by these presents constitute and appoint

796
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,119
you fire chief in and for the town of

797
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:16,000
Leisfield with all the powers and duties

798
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,079
appertaining to said office pursuing to

799
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,079
the laws of Vermont.

800
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:21,920
Set appointment shall remain in force

801
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,119
unless sooner revoked for cause. This

802
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,440
new appointment supersedes prior

803
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,200
appointments.

804
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,680
given under my hand at the town of

805
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,520
Wisville and said county of Windsor this

806
00:37:35,520 --> 00:38:11,030
9th day of June 2025

807
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,560
I, Josh, do solemnly swear that I will

808
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,320
faithfully execute the duties of fire

809
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,240
chief in and for the town of

810
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,800
Weathersfield during my continuence of

811
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,680
office and therein do equal right and

812
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,599
justice for all men and women to the

813
00:38:25,599 --> 00:39:03,349
best of my judgment and ability.

814
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:07,040
I'm going with this badge.

815
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,470
Fire chief.

816
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:29,910
Thank you.

817
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,280
Doesn't the new fire chief have to give

818
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,630
a speaking

819
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:41,910
lately?

820
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:48,790
Thank you all.

821
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,160
I have a couple more things in my

822
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,800
report. Any questions about the appointment of the municipal

823
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,240
fire chief? Is it this an open-ended

824
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,320
thing? It's on a term that it's good for

825
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,160
so many years or something like that.

826
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,079
Um, it'll remain in full force in effect

827
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:05,760
unless they're built for just cause.

828
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,119
Okay, let's wait. That's my

829
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,839
understanding. Okay.

830
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,400
Um, I'd like to pass it over to Sheriff

831
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,400
Palmer to give an update on policing,

832
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,560
but I'll follow that a couple of updates

833
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,160
on our bill of sale.

834
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Well, hello. So, uh, besides fireworks,

835
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,400
um, we took over June 1 and, uh,

836
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,640
basically midnight. Um, we think by the

837
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,240
next day we got called out. Everything

838
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,480
seems to be going pretty smooth. Josh,

839
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,800
even though I just left, um I think this

840
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,720
is a huge step forward public safety

841
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,599
wise for town Weathersfield and that was

842
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,359
clearly a right choice because the last

843
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:44,720
month or so that I've been interacting

844
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,200
with him been fantastic and just

845
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,560
welcoming and we've been working

846
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,520
together uh fantastic. I don't know if

847
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,960
you're following us on social media or

848
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,599
whatever, we've had a couple arrests

849
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,480
already. um impaired driver crashed into

850
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,160
a vehicle um on 131, full quart off of

851
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,000
him and

852
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,280
arrested him with a bunch of charges

853
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,520
there. Uh the next night we arrested a

854
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,599
driver who was about two and a half

855
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:15,200
times the legal limit uh for DUI. Uh so

856
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,750
we're continuing a little late

857
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,800
weather still got called out to um and

858
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,640
the car took off just before we got

859
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,720
there.

860
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:31,119
again 131. So, it's been busy. Uh I

861
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,760
think that you've seen hopefully a

862
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,240
little bit of local presence. We're covering till late into the night

863
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,040
and uh we were at the school the other

864
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,440
day. Um

865
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Deputy Mike Keith and I stopped with the

866
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,079
school, met with the school, talked

867
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,319
about emergency planning, uh handed out

868
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,560
about 4,000 stickers. I don't know how a

869
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,240
couple hundred kids ended up with 4,000

870
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,200
stickers, but uh

871
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,800
And so that's been very good. We'll be

872
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,480
at field day Wednesday and hopefully

873
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,480
make an appearance for myself. So, uh,

874
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,920
we're building those relationships and

875
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,520
everything seems to be clicking very

876
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,550
well. Doc came

877
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,400
out the other night to help us with this

878
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,040
accident scene with the car driver with

879
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:25,670
drugs. It's just been it's been very smooth so far. Any questions?

880
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,240
May we have to step up to the podium and

881
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:34,230
say who you are please.

882
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,880
I'm Mal Spalding and I just wanted to

883
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,560
thank uh you guys for making that

884
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,720
decision as well as having Ryan here.

885
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,640
We've actually had to deal with them uh

886
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,640
three times actually right outside of

887
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,680
our house um already which is kind of

888
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920
annoying but it's been nice to have them

889
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,079
almost immediately. And one of the other

890
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,599
times was also right outside our house,

891
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,839
but we were away. Um, and I don't know

892
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:57,280
if I should publicly say this, but it

893
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,560
was nice to know as well that my house

894
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,480
was being watched. Um, because I have

895
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,240
huge concerns about the people that are

896
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,400
around us. So, all of them have been

897
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,319
wonderful at firefalls. Um, I can't

898
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:08,319
speak highly enough of that. So, I want

899
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:13,670
to thank you very much.

900
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,200
They're kind of annoying because I was

901
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,829
there. I'm not sure what she

902
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,720
that right. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, any

903
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,480
other thoughts, questions, concerns,

904
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,119
direction?

905
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,040
So, for the past several weeks, I mean,

906
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,440
initially upon you taking over that

907
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,560
following Monday, we transferred all um,

908
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,240
police equipment over to the sheriff's

909
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,040
office just to have it in holding in a

910
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,319
safe place.

911
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:42,560
um the accountant and I went over there

912
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,240
uh with Sheriff Palmer and a couple of

913
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,640
other deputies and we took an inventory

914
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,800
of all the equipment, serial numbers,

915
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,720
models and we developed a list. Um all

916
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,280
pictures were taken of all equipment and

917
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,960
the accountants currently working on

918
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,760
value. Um so we think within

919
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,640
20 to 30 more days we'll have we'll have

920
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,160
everything drafted for the select board

921
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:12,790
to review.

922
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:18,630
Next update is a solid waste update. Um,

923
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,839
thank you sir.

924
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:24,000
on the last meeting I I had mentioned

925
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:37,510
that um

926
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,960
the last meeting I mentioned I do an

927
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,480
update on the solid waste contract. Um I

928
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,800
am still currently working through that

929
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,839
with the Windsor County solid waste

930
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:50,240
venture out waste. Nothing's inside at

931
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,510
this point.

932
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,839
I'm hoping building agreement within the

933
00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:58,880
next week or so.

934
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,839
The website I have a meeting Wednesday

935
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:04,880
or Thursday. Still waiting to schedule

936
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,319
an exact date and time, but it will be

937
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:09,440
this week. Um to talk to our

938
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,440
administrative assistant about taking on

939
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,839
website responsibilities, um including

940
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:16,960
the training to get up to speed. Um,

941
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,400
we're also going to talk about whether

942
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,760
we want to contract out um, one of the

943
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,160
companies that in the project, I did

944
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,000
reach out to them and they did say they

945
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,839
would still be interested on getting the

946
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:32,640
website to park and then having our town

947
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,359
office, our administrative assistant

948
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,760
handling it going forward.

949
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
So, we're going to I hope to have it

950
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,720
flushed out before the next meeting. Um,

951
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,640
the last thing is rosters and mission

952
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,040
statements. That's one thing that I

953
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,599
haven't fully got to yet. I hope to have

954
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,359
all those completed by the next meeting.

955
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:59,990
Sorry.

956
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,630
Any questions for me?

957
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,800
I just have one quick question and I

958
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,400
didn't know this and I didn't want my

959
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,520
apologies. Is the new number to get a

960
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,599
hold of the new police department been

961
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,680
changed on the website? Yeah, it's not.

962
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,520
Thanks for bringing that up, Ar. You're

963
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,950
welcome.

964
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,359
Thanks. At least I haven't done it.

965
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:34,790
Suzanne might have

966
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,839
next thing on the uh agenda. Warrant to

967
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:43,839
impound unlicensed l uh unlicensed dogs.

968
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:46,640
This is uh Floan.

969
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,760
You do it or does Floan? Floan. Okay.

970
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Oh, there you go. Chloe, get up to the

971
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,520
podium and explain to us why you want

972
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,680
this done.

973
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,319
I really don't want to get up there.

974
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:03,990
Wow.

975
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,839
Incidentally, we used to affectionately

976
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:08,240
call it the kill blob

977
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,800
letter. It's really severely worried

978
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,800
and that's in stat that's not but every

979
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,440
year um at this time in June I have to

980
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,839
hand the list of delinquent dogs over to

981
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,319
the select board and then it's their job

982
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:27,599
to go out and get the unlicensed dogs

983
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,920
put somebody in charge of it that hasn't

984
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,240
happened in many many years and we are

985
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,359
so down on registration

986
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,920
and the vote Well, one of the whole

987
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,720
thing is because it's stacked up because

988
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,079
you just stacked, but it's a health

989
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,240
issue because we don't know what adult

990
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,680
dogs have had rabies, you know, vaccines

991
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,520
or whatever. And if they bite somebody,

992
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,599
it's a very costly thing for somebody to

993
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:56,480
go through. So, I'm thinking of I do a

994
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,280
lot to please try to get this situation

995
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,079
out. We did have so many years ago we

996
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,599
did a job and we have a nearly $700

997
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,720
register. Now I don't even have three.

998
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,520
So each year it keeps going down.

999
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,200
And I gave you another paper there

1000
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440
trying to reinforce how important this

1001
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,760
is. And that is state statue. And um we

1002
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,000
sent them a card a little postcard in

1003
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,160
January telling them that they have to

1004
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,760
register their dog. I'm sure they

1005
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,240
haven't. And then the middle of April,

1006
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,559
we send another reminder to tell them to

1007
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,720
do it by May 30th because then it's

1008
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,480
after that that I have to turn this

1009
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,040
year. And I have a sign out front. Um

1010
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,160
little Fred fell over when it rained.

1011
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,400
But um

1012
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:50,000
that's it in a nutshell. It's law and

1013
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,240
that what's true should be done. There

1014
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,839
are people on that board that have

1015
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:59,440
how do how do we enforce this?

1016
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,880
How how do we

1017
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,520
start starts by following the state law

1018
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,280
by designating one or more persons to

1019
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,359
maintain a list?

1020
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:11,359
We have lists. We have the list. Have a

1021
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:13,760
list. They have

1022
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,240
basically not

1023
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,240
um approach

1024
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,000
the letter.

1025
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,599
Um, one of the clerks said that how they

1026
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,960
handled it is based on how a notice and

1027
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,559
said that if they weren't registered by

1028
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,079
section of China, it's going to be a

1029
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,359
$100 fine. We tried a few years ago

1030
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:35,839
around the $25.

1031
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,960
That didn't help. So,

1032
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,720
I don't know what that's going to do.

1033
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,440
And also the state raised it this year

1034
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,160
um their part of it to $2 helps pay for

1035
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,640
the um babies or sp and um it's it's

1036
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,079
hard to just get to pay $10 never mind

1037
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:01,119
$5 for license. So and now it's on a new

1038
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,760
but so who's who's maintaining this

1039
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,599
list?

1040
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,640
I did. Were you designated? Did you say

1041
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,640
list? Who is maintaining the list of

1042
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,960
unregistered dogs? Yes. My offices.

1043
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,599
Did the select board designate somebody

1044
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,319
in your office to do that? No, we do

1045
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:25,200
with our statute. That is the statute of

1046
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,680
FL. Yes. But now it's turned over to the

1047
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,480
school board. If you read those I just I

1048
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,319
have it right in front of me. The

1049
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:34,240
legislative body shall annually

1050
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,480
designate one or more persons to

1051
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,280
maintain a list. Who has been designated

1052
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,319
by this board to maintain that list? I

1053
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,000
give you the list which you have there.

1054
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,680
And then you're not answering the

1055
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,200
question.

1056
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,000
is who did this board

1057
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,480
designate to do that? We haven't done it

1058
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,400
yet. Thank you. So we have not followed

1059
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,880
the statute flowing. No, you haven't.

1060
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,440
Yes. That's why I'm asking you, who is

1061
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,640
maintaining the list? Maintenance of the

1062
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,359
list. What would that be? That would be

1063
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,079
knocking on people's doors that you

1064
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,960
think have a dog that's not registered

1065
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,720
and

1066
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,559
verifying they have a dog, write their

1067
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:19,280
name down, and they're now on the list

1068
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,200
by the designated person from this

1069
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,280
board.

1070
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,839
That would be the statute to start with,

1071
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:27,359
following the law, right? you're

1072
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:29,359
following the law with fireworks and

1073
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:33,040
other things. We're following the law,

1074
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,960
which I'm okay with. Um, but that's the

1075
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,480
first thing that hasn't happened. So, my

1076
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,280
question is the list you claim to have,

1077
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,599
you claim it's been maintained. How has

1078
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:47,280
it been maintained and by who?

1079
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,040
I'm talking about my delinquent list

1080
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,839
that I turned over to you by statute.

1081
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:53,520
It's going to be another list. I do not

1082
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,880
know. You'll have to come up with your

1083
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,200
own list if if you go knocking on doors,

1084
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,920
whatever. But I don't I get a lot of

1085
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,359
Well, the question is about the list

1086
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:04,559
that you have. How did it how did you

1087
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,520
determine that? Because people that have

1088
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,559
registered last year did not register

1089
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,920
this year. That's how they get on. Okay.

1090
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,470
All right. Well, that's an answer.

1091
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,040
Excuse me. That brings up the question

1092
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,200
then if somebody has a dog and it's

1093
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,559
registered and it dies deceased, should

1094
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,920
we be telling the the town clerk? So

1095
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,079
because my dog passed away last year and

1096
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:35,520
uh so that's why I have a rush this

1097
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,000
year. Uh everybody from here to my house

1098
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
knew my dog because she could get out of

1099
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,720
anything and she knows of her. So every

1100
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,960
house from Thrash Road to here was her

1101
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,319
mom. think everybody adopted there. So,

1102
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:52,720
but I didn't sure this year, but you

1103
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,280
know, the people didn't know. I mean, we

1104
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,359
actually had a party for all all the

1105
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:59,200
neighbors from Europe to my house to

1106
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,119
come up to that. Everybody knew Benny.

1107
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:05,280
So, um and there are a few few dogs that

1108
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,480
have that have disease, but we don't

1109
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,200
know that unless somebody called and

1110
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,960
it's time report say this, do that.

1111
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,599
We get reports all the time of dogs that

1112
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:22,319
bother people and they ask if they get

1113
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:25,520
registered in that.

1114
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,680
So, so through that process you update

1115
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,839
the list accordingly as best you can

1116
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:33,200
those shoes. Yes. Not if the dog wasn't

1117
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,800
licensed before. I cannot do that.

1118
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,480
If somebody that would bring them back

1119
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,319
to this person that's responsible for

1120
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:44,000
it. Well, you come up with a person.

1121
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,160
I'm just saying thank you. I nominate

1122
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,119
you. I'm just saying that

1123
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:50,880
we have we have to follow the law if

1124
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,510
we're going to follow the law. Right.

1125
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,240
So, well, what I heard you say is years

1126
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,319
ago you had a system that worked well.

1127
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:02,640
Right. Can you tell us what that system

1128
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,119
was that was working?

1129
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:09,599
Um the person sends a letter um with

1130
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:11,760
statute. But I've done that too and I

1131
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,920
got regular polls for what the statute

1132
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,000
says

1133
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,280
that's not my words.

1134
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,319
But anyway, um this person

1135
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,200
got the prior list. Yeah. Who was the

1136
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,960
person at that I mean I don't care what

1137
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,599
their name is, but what was their role?

1138
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,000
That's what they were hired for. just to

1139
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,970
do it.

1140
00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:41,349
[Music]

1141
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,280
And um

1142
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,240
they um the prior list and the ones that

1143
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,920
were not registered on the prior list

1144
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,480
and letters were sent out and I mean

1145
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,640
there are fines attached to this

1146
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,800
sheriff, the police, the police can't

1147
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,960
remove

1148
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,839
the animal control.

1149
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:02,559
We have an animal patrol officer, but I

1150
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,640
don't think she has many hours here. She

1151
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,680
works out in New Hampshire.

1152
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,839
And um we did get a lot. We got more

1153
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:14,240
dogs registered that time than I had

1154
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,480
ever seen.

1155
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:23,270
Then they each year.

1156
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,000
So did the select board authorize hiring

1157
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,160
this person to do those years ago? Yeah.

1158
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,480
Who hired the person to do that? The

1159
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,069
town.

1160
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,480
I I can't say that that they were hired.

1161
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,680
I'm not sure. Might have been volunteer.

1162
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,359
Was the person an animal control

1163
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:46,319
officer? No. Okay. What was the person's

1164
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:51,270
title?

1165
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,520
She was I don't really know what the

1166
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:59,030
title was. Wear dog

1167
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:09,510
was it? Yes. Okay.

1168
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:32,870
What happened to the position?

1169
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,240
can't see out of the corner of my eye

1170
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,599
when you're sitting over there. I

1171
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,520
believe at the time Lynn was constable

1172
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:45,510
back

1173
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,079
excuse me.

1174
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:53,190
That's how

1175
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,640
We don't have we haven't since that was

1176
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,799
back in 2014.

1177
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:01,680
I I can give you a little bit of history

1178
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,760
um on how it evolved um at different

1179
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,720
times. We had people that were people a

1180
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,480
little overzealous in their in their

1181
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,200
position and it was causing

1182
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,760
amount of strife in town. We didn't feel

1183
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,920
doing a good job and now we don't have a

1184
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,000
constable at all. And when the we went

1185
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,839
with the gal over in Claremont, yeah, it

1186
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:30,559
has been really a good system. I mean,

1187
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:34,880
she has done as far as I'm concerned.

1188
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,280
Don't do something to annoy her so she

1189
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,559
doesn't want to come over here because

1190
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,720
it's really important. But that's a

1191
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,760
little bit separate from the

1192
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,400
registration.

1193
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,319
You mean you mean you you're referring

1194
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:52,950
to animals or water?

1195
00:57:52,960 --> 00:58:00,309
That's not the same as the con. No.

1196
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:06,150
Next motion to appoint Nathan.

1197
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,920
I just wanted to get out of that. I

1198
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,359
didn't want to point to me. So I I I

1199
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:13,680
mean I think what would happen Brandon

1200
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,680
present us is what you would suggest is

1201
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,119
a solution at the next meeting on on how

1202
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,319
to address making sure we're we're

1203
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:26,319
following the law would be

1204
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,079
but in a reasonable way that doesn't

1205
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,640
make the entire town angry, right?

1206
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:43,750
Sounds like the history. Yeah.

1207
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Thank you. Thank you for Nathan.

1208
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,109
He's shaking his head.

1209
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:57,760
Okay. Next item on the agenda. Legal

1210
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,880
trail six discussion. What this is,

1211
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:06,000
right? Yep. Mr. Tar is here.

1212
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,480
Mr. Carr, are you there? Yes. Can you

1213
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,559
hear us? Okay. Yes. Yep. This is Joe and

1214
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,839
this is CC, my wife. Um, Brandon, should

1215
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:17,040
we just kind of walk through what we're

1216
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,079
looking to propose? Yeah. And, uh, I

1217
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,760
have your PowerPoint up on the other TV

1218
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,720
in the room. Okay. I'm currently on the

1219
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,119
first slide. Can you see it? Um, I

1220
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,599
cannot see it. Okay. I'm following on

1221
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,520
the I I have it up on my side though, so

1222
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,760
I can kind of follow and direct you when

1223
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,839
we go to the next slide. So, right now

1224
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:39,920
we're on the cover page and I'm going to

1225
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,400
move to the second page where it says

1226
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,880
utilizing legal trail 6. What, where,

1227
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,319
why, and when. Perfect. Great. So, hello

1228
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:51,760
everyone. Um, my name is Joe Cece. We're

1229
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,520
originally from the area. We currently

1230
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,960
reside in Portsouth, New Hampshire, but

1231
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,559
are looking to start making strides of

1232
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,400
coming back to this to that area to the

1233
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,240
Weathersfield area. And one of the

1234
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,839
options we're looking to pursue at this

1235
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:04,400
point is possibly build a house um on

1236
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,960
John and Patty Erison's property. Um and

1237
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,880
working through the details of that now.

1238
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,319
Um so what we're coming to the select

1239
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:12,640
board today to ask for guidance in your

1240
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,559
approval for is utilizing the legal

1241
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,599
trail 6 as a partial driveway. There's

1242
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,480
about 250 ft um of legal trail 6 that

1243
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,280
we'd like to up upgrade a little bit and

1244
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,359
utilize that piece to reach a potential

1245
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:27,760
driveway site at some point. Um, right

1246
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,920
now we're looking just to get approval

1247
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,240
on using and making the updates

1248
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,640
necessary for that legal trail 6 and

1249
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,240
like I said for a future home build and

1250
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,839
we'd like to start making improvements

1251
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:40,000
from like a timeline perspective to that

1252
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,079
um sometime this summer. Um, I put some

1253
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:45,680
photos here from like a driveway

1254
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,520
location perspective if Brandon you want

1255
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,240
to scroll down further

1256
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,440
of how it would like flow. Um, so one,

1257
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,799
two, they go in, you know, subsequent

1258
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:58,160
order here. um where the signage first

1259
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,680
starts where it says no motorized

1260
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,920
vehicles and kind of how the plow

1261
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,359
trucks, you know, managed their way up

1262
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:06,559
to there today. Um go further up and

1263
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,280
then you can see how it's like about two

1264
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,280
I think it's 250 to 300 feet is what

1265
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,920
we're looking to utilize um once it's

1266
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,160
all said and done. And if you scroll

1267
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,520
down further, there's an aerial view

1268
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,119
as well as the actual snippet from the

1269
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,040
mapping designating that it's legal

1270
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:34,390
trail 6.

1271
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,880
Joe, John, this is an extension of your

1272
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,430
like your

1273
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,400
I mean question. What? Excuse me. What

1274
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,520
your wife? No, Mike was asking a

1275
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:59,670
question.

1276
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,280
Um,

1277
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,119
this is this is an extension basically

1278
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,760
past your house, correct? Correct. Is

1279
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,599
that a private driveway to your house or

1280
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:14,069
is it trail six today? It's 3 to

1281
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:16,240
right about

1282
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,720
well be I guess from my seat it's class

1283
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,200
three right there. Oh it currently?

1284
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Yeah. And that's approximate. Yeah. And a little bit of history. We moved in

1285
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,520
up on the hill in 2001

1286
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,480
and um the at that time the entire

1287
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,760
length of it was class 4 and people were

1288
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,640
going on it on skyline and it's really

1289
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,480
muddy, really steep. We have people

1290
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,319
trying to drive over it. Um um and it

1291
01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:47,920
really shouldn't have been open for

1292
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,920
vehicles at that time. And that's mostly

1293
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,799
the end towards skyline. It eroded. It's

1294
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:55,359
muddy. Um, some guy came up doing an

1295
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:57,920
early Harley-Davidson and anyway and and

1296
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,030
we own both sides.

1297
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,359
of Center Grove Road

1298
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:10,000
all the way from where it begins at the

1299
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,119
um the old all the way to Skyline. So

1300
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,280
there's no other abutters that I know

1301
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,470
where that

1302
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,799
I do. I do I agree with that. Um you

1303
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:24,319
know um my question uh basically on this

1304
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:28,319
comes down to um be because that's a

1305
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:31,359
designated trail. There's certain

1306
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:34,559
restrictions on that uh that are in

1307
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,680
statute. Correct. Um wouldn't we have to

1308
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,799
do let Brandon let that sit there where

1309
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:43,680
it was and be fine? Sorry, I was I

1310
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,880
appreciate it. You're okay. Um

1311
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,039
uh but

1312
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:51,520
wouldn't wouldn't it wouldn't we be um

1313
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,440
wouldn't it be more appropriate to to

1314
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,400
take that back to a class three class

1315
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,799
four at least at least class four class four we don't maintain that

1316
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:03,599
would yeah we can allow them to use it

1317
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:09,599
exactly um uh is there is there does the

1318
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,520
if that's a glass three up to your house

1319
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,280
the town takes care of it that far

1320
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,280
correct do they they

1321
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,119
appropriate to have a good turnaround

1322
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,039
there. I guess it's about as appropriate

1323
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:20,960
as a lot of others in town which is not

1324
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,440
exactly appropriate

1325
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,680
like a hammerhead. It could be better

1326
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,680
and part of the plan is to make it

1327
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,990
better. Yeah. Um

1328
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,839
right. We we took the time to to uh look

1329
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:38,559
up state statute and reviewed it with

1330
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,240
town statute and state statute. The only

1331
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,079
differentiation between trail and class

1332
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,319
4 is the maintainance of bridge and

1333
01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:48,640
culvers. That's the only thing that's

1334
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,720
different and state statutes between a

1335
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,480
four and a trail. There's nothing in

1336
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,319
there about vehicles that we found. This

1337
01:04:56,319 --> 01:05:06,710
research I did I should

1338
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,880
correct. A trail can be used motorized

1339
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,200
vehicle. This one was posted for no

1340
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,280
motorized vehicles because it was in

1341
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,039
good condition and people were driving

1342
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,200
on it and ruining it. So the board

1343
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,920
decided to post it um I believe from the

1344
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,920
homeowner um was requesting it also. So

1345
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,000
the town did that. That's not a state

1346
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,920
law. Um, if these folks wish for us to

1347
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,839
plow all the way to their new driveway

1348
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:33,839
going to their house another 300 feet,

1349
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:35,119
then we have to make it class three

1350
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:36,640
road, they would be responsible for

1351
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,480
bringing it up to that standard, doing

1352
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,880
that whole thing. Um, if we make it a

1353
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,960
class 4, I would be responsible for

1354
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,559
culberts and any kind of wash out or

1355
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,240
anything. If you don't want the expense,

1356
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,520
keep it a trail. You don't have to go

1357
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:48,799
through any of that stuff to do to

1358
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:50,880
change anything. You would have to have

1359
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,559
pre hearings. We have to have public

1360
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,039
notice and all that. you can keep it a

1361
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,440
trail, get permission them to work on it

1362
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,280
and do it. Sign a contract. Um Brandon

1363
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,119
and I have already had discussions and I came up with a little draft that we

1364
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:07,680
looked at. Um not to get too much into

1365
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,920
the weeds, but things to protect the

1366
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,920
town and the trail would be they

1367
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,559
couldn't post it that nobody's come in.

1368
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:15,920
um people are going to drive that

1369
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,440
actually 300 feet and they're going to

1370
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,359
have a place to park would I would

1371
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:21,599
assume they're going to know people are

1372
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,599
going to be able to drive at 300 feet

1373
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:25,760
and we can't keep them out of there and

1374
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,440
then allow them to use it as a as a

1375
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,200
private driveway because it is a public

1376
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,680
access. So that's on that's on the

1377
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,880
homeowner. We've already had that

1378
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,119
discussion. Um, I just don't want it to

1379
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:37,760
end up in a situation where somebody

1380
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,319
buys the house and it's not written

1381
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:42,640
really well with an agreement that they

1382
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,839
don't know the history and know that

1383
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:45,839
this is a public access and it is a

1384
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:48,240
trail from wherever they build their

1385
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,599
driveway. It's still going to be a trail

1386
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,000
out the skyline and they have to be able

1387
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,880
to let people are going to drive on it.

1388
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,200
What now the planning commissioner kicks

1389
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,200
in. What's the potential for future

1390
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,000
development beyond this? That would be

1391
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,920
entirely up to a subdivision and you'd

1392
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,920
have to go through that whole process.

1393
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,520
Yeah.

1394
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,200
And I do the same thing. If you if you

1395
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,039
subdivided and they wanted to add on to

1396
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,079
it, then they'd have to follow the

1397
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:13,520
subdivision rules and make the road

1398
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,200
bigger and wider and whatever else they

1399
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,119
had to do to make that more accessible,

1400
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:20,000
but it could still be considered a trail

1401
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,680
in our eyes and not have to go through

1402
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,920
the process of making it a four or a

1403
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,599
three

1404
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:29,039
and then it still be a planter. the um

1405
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,160
driveway access to what we what we tend

1406
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,599
to look at this as being um what is what

1407
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:37,119
are what are the homeowners that are on

1408
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,680
the on the road this will not be a

1409
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,160
driveway access this is them getting

1410
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,400
permission to drive I understand then

1411
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,240
they'll have to come back I understand

1412
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,200
that I'm just trying to understand what

1413
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:56,390
people that live there want to do

1414
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,039
I with a local contractor to try to get

1415
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,319
some idea of what we do. A from here to

1416
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:07,280
here is pretty flat. Um it's not muddy.

1417
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,760
Uh so we don't think that a base is

1418
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,760
going to be an issue, but nonetheless it

1419
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,640
it's shows old wheel ruts where the

1420
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,440
water has gone down through. One problem

1421
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,319
over the years was that uh it because

1422
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:24,560
this this had does slope this way and

1423
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,239
water would find its way and it was

1424
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,719
washing up the town road or or excuse me

1425
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:32,080
the class 3 road. So a water bar was put

1426
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,239
in right where the ax turn a little bit

1427
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,400
back actually and we got to figure out

1428
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,480
how to do that and the local contractor

1429
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:40,400
said well some kind of culvert or

1430
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,560
something to get the water turned there

1431
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,279
so people going down and and washing out

1432
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,640
the town part of the road. Uh which it

1433
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,480
seems to be working that hasn't washed

1434
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:53,520
out significantly for a long time. Uh so

1435
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,000
it is it is helping quite a bit. It does

1436
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,920
tend to sheet off the hill a little bit

1437
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,600
and we try to keep it turned so it

1438
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,120
doesn't go on the town road. Um, a

1439
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,239
little bit of history in in research.

1440
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:09,600
Thank you. Short left. Uh, try to figure

1441
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,880
out Patty and I remember coming before

1442
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,960
the board to limit traffic on the road.

1443
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,839
We moved up there in 2001. We couldn't

1444
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:22,960
find anything in the minutes. um the

1445
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:28,080
minutes from and and interestingly the mileage report that you guys sign

1446
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,239
every year in 2014 said it was a class 4

1447
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,640
and then in 15 it said that the trail.

1448
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,159
So I'm going to assume that that had

1449
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:37,520
something to do with the ancient road

1450
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,560
people uh picking up some old paperwork.

1451
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,400
I don't have any other explanation but

1452
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,799
then there was a footnote that said what

1453
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:46,719
say 2012

1454
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:50,080
per something from 2012. The 2012

1455
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,759
minutes aren't in the ball. We So we

1456
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:53,359
couldn't go back and research that. We

1457
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,520
couldn't find them. I don't know where

1458
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,080
they are or if they are.

1459
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,520
So So we couldn't find a history. Was it

1460
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,159
just down Highway being nicely putting

1461
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:08,400
the signs up? Honestly, don't know. Um

1462
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,400
so as a trail, if I can continue as a as

1463
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,440
a trail, uh what type of traffic do you

1464
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:18,239
see up there? What where are they going?

1465
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:19,440
what are they doing? You know, that kind

1466
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,840
of thing. Down at the skyline end,

1467
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,560
there's a significant structure to keep

1468
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,920
people from coming up through there.

1469
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,560
That's almost a pen road. Um, and not

1470
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,560
even a trail. Um, because technically

1471
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,440
somebody if you can drive this and you

1472
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,800
should be able to drive back too. Uh, so

1473
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,280
in a way it's a pent road, but it just

1474
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,199
totally we got a lot of them. There's a

1475
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,800
lot of fours you cannot drive on. Um,

1476
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,280
unless you have a tank, but but are

1477
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,920
there people walking, hiking? Yes. Out

1478
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,840
through there. All the above. So,

1479
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,199
I think skiing.

1480
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,920
Okay. So, horses, bikes, people. We

1481
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,080
invite people on our property, not only

1482
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,679
on the town, right? Well, that's that's

1483
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:07,440
great. What what I'm trying to get at is

1484
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:08,640
if you're going to extend that up

1485
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,719
through for this next house and I think

1486
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:12,560
you said something about putting in a

1487
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,159
parking area there and stuff. Does it

1488
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,880
make more sense? I mean, we can do what

1489
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,719
we need to do to let it go and we can go

1490
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:22,800
through the process to take it to a

1491
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,719
three, get the turnaround that we need

1492
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:27,199
for the town. Does that make everybody

1493
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:29,440
happy? Get get a parking area up there

1494
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,360
for the hikers and the people that are

1495
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:36,960
using the letting use. I don't know what you guys want. That's the only

1496
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,280
people that we've had that wanted to

1497
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,320
park, they were hunters and they

1498
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,480
traditionally park down here and walk

1499
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,280
up. As a matter of fact, do you mind

1500
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,159
funny story?

1501
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:52,480
It was a a night that there was supposed

1502
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,520
to be a significant shooting stars. I

1503
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,040
mean, at like 4 in the morning, we

1504
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,280
actually got out of bed and we're

1505
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,880
standing out here and we saw the guy

1506
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,360
park pitch dark like 4 in the morning

1507
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,320
and he's tiptoeing up through here and

1508
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,880
we hollered at him. He almost passed

1509
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,840
out. That scared us.

1510
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,679
What are you guys doing out here? 4 in

1511
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,760
the morning. He had no idea. But we're

1512
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:22,229
hunting just like you are.

1513
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:29,120
Anyway, but I don't tell anybody that we GPS used to say this was a way to get

1514
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,679
the old bow. We haven't had that for a

1515
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:34,719
long time. Um people come up and

1516
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:36,239
somebody came up turned around today,

1517
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:39,280
didn't they? Yes. Yeah. I mean, people

1518
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,480
just explore. Um and and we don't have

1519
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:43,760
any problem with that. as long as they

1520
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:49,600
don't smash into one of our cars. Uh the town right now comes up and they

1521
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,360
back in right about where my pickup

1522
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,120
truck is.

1523
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,360
Not perfect. We move some stone walls

1524
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,920
back to make it a little bit easier. uh

1525
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,520
if we can improve that a little bit

1526
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,000
more. Uh that was the goal was maybe to

1527
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,440
improve it a little bit more because

1528
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:05,840
even if it can't turn into a class four

1529
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,560
somewhere here it's got to be the town's

1530
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,280
got to turn around and cover because you

1531
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,199
got

1532
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:14,719
Yeah. Right in here to get the water to

1533
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:17,679
go out need something.

1534
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:20,719
Um Mr. Tara, where where are you at and

1535
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:23,600
what you want to put in there? Yeah, I

1536
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,640
mean the I would I think aesthetically

1537
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,560
speaking there's some big beautiful

1538
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,960
maples that are close to that rock wall

1539
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,239
there. So if we can narrow how much we

1540
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:36,239
actually have to go wide with the road.

1541
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:39,760
So I think the the like the legal trail

1542
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,640
um thought process permits us to be able

1543
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,040
to keep it relatively narrow still and

1544
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,400
not have to get rid of those big maples

1545
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,000
that have been there for, you know,

1546
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,480
decades and decades and decades. Um so

1547
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:53,120
we'd like to do that. um if we could,

1548
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,440
right? We don't want to upgrade the road

1549
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,920
so much so where we lose all those trees

1550
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,360
that have been there for, you know,

1551
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,000
probably 100 plus years, right? So, um

1552
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,679
that's our initial thought of it, but

1553
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:04,960
everything John's speaking about, I

1554
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,199
mean, we're in complete agreement with

1555
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:09,360
Have Have you

1556
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,239
Is this property already subdivided? Is

1557
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,560
the the lot that he's on, is it already

1558
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,679
a subdivided lot? Can you back up to the

1559
01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:20,080
ones with the orange line? Sure.

1560
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,120
Matters. It's divided by the road. The part in yellow is actually a

1561
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,600
separate lot. Uh it doesn't need to be

1562
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,239
subdivided. Okay. And now that's where

1563
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:31,920
he's

1564
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,870
It gets a little tricky. Yeah.

1565
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,880
But I didn't.

1566
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,880
Well, so are you dedicating that whole

1567
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,719
lot as their their building? And

1568
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:46,880
so technically they have frontage. We

1569
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,440
love our daughter and son-in-law because

1570
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:52,800
if we deed them this lot,

1571
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,950
they get our burn, right?

1572
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,320
You don't get to use it, but you're

1573
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,880
going to own it.

1574
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,520
We have frontage on a class 3 town

1575
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:04,960
highway. So, that makes it a legal

1576
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,960
building, right? You just ask and use

1577
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,520
the trail as a driveway to access this

1578
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,640
new house. Yes. Right. We And because

1579
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,640
it's open, somebody anybody else could

1580
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,159
drive it. Um, you can't if it's open

1581
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:22,480
traffic, it's open to traffic. And and I

1582
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:24,960
Joe, didn't we talk about making some

1583
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,040
kind of little hammerhead there so that

1584
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,640
if somebody inadvertently comes up

1585
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:29,840
through there, they aren't driving all

1586
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,440
the way up to the house? Would it be

1587
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,840
accept fire and police and emergency

1588
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,400
vehicles? That hasn't been discussed.

1589
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,320
That would be discussed with the new

1590
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,400
fire chief to make sure that the

1591
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,880
radiuses are okay. So there's no call to

1592
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,159
just because you want to make it a

1593
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:45,440
driver doesn't mean you have to widen

1594
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:47,840
it. It's already a 50 foot wide rideway

1595
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,920
as long as it's that's correct wide

1596
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,600
enough to get vehicles through there.

1597
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,400
shouldn't be any need to widen it.

1598
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,320
And even think about taking it to a

1599
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,800
class three. Two things. It would look

1600
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,239
like the Dickens because you'd cut all

1601
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,080
the maple trees down and it wouldn't

1602
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,679
match this half. It doesn't meet class

1603
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:06,800
three standards either. Right.

1604
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,960
I'm okay with it. Now the agreement that

1605
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,880
was proposed by the attorney, it's only

1606
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,199
for your daughter and son. Is that

1607
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:17,280
correct? It's not transferable at that

1608
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,360
house. If they decide not to build the

1609
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,840
house or they circumstances change, they

1610
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,280
build a house and they have to leave and

1611
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,320
go somewhere else. Do all this this

1612
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,640
agreement would apply to current and

1613
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,080
future owners of this property?

1614
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,840
That's a good question. I don't have a

1615
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,920
definitive answer. Yeah, I think that

1616
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,560
would make sense. Yeah,

1617
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,239
someday we'll be dead and gone. Uh, and

1618
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:44,960
uh hopefully sometime soon. Yeah, but uh

1619
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,320
at that time um they may decide that it

1620
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,920
makes more sense to try to come up with

1621
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,320
a 10acre lot cuz we own beyond

1622
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,280
there's actually three parcels there and

1623
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,120
uh we owned a significant chunk beyond

1624
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,880
to the souththeast of or smuggly south

1625
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,880
of of the lot that was outlined in

1626
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,520
yellow. How big is this lot? They want

1627
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,360
to know that wasn't 20.

1628
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,480
Yeah, I can't remember off the top of my

1629
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:19,440
head. I believe it was about 20 acres,

1630
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:23,030
just a little.

1631
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,000
It was pinned and and on GIF, so you can

1632
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,679
it'll actually tell you what it is, but

1633
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,679
I don't recall. It's more than 10.

1634
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,960
What's the zoning in the street? 10.

1635
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,480
So, you have a legal building lot.

1636
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,600
You've got frontage on two class three

1637
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,120
town highways. So, you don't have to

1638
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,400
worry about that. So, he just looking

1639
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,560
for a driveway. Yeah. Yes. Is there any

1640
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,239
other reason why he can't create a

1641
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:46,800
driveway off the class three?

1642
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,400
Is this a money-saving thing or Joe?

1643
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,120
Yeah, it's I mean some of that is under

1644
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,360
consideration for sure, but also just

1645
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,920
when any type of future subdivision

1646
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,960
might happen or subdividing it out, I

1647
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,320
think it makes more sense for it to

1648
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,360
follow that line. Um

1649
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,679
up um as we reviewed it with John, we

1650
01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:11,440
felt like that was the best practice.

1651
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,440
So, this is opening the door to future

1652
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,760
development by allowing this driveway on

1653
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,560
a trail. Well, we we've been talking to

1654
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,920
um Upper Valley, we we don't intend for

1655
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,159
it to lead to more de uh to more

1656
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:28,960
development. We've been talking to um

1657
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,320
Yeah. But but the people at the Upper

1658
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,040
Valley Land Trust are giving away more

1659
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,640
of our development. Incidentally, um

1660
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,480
just another thing if you subdivide it, creates well actually we still got a

1661
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,800
hurdle to go through with our land trust

1662
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,920
because even if we sell them to CC and

1663
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,440
Joe, we have to get permission from

1664
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:52,320
them. Uh because they have a

1665
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,600
develop they have easements on from

1666
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,840
about here to another stone wall here in

1667
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,679
conservation.

1668
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:04,080
Uh so everything like right here it's a

1669
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,719
conservation uh there where they're

1670
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:08,880
proposing the house. You can see a

1671
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,440
clearing right here that's not it's just

1672
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:13,199
this side of it is where the

1673
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,120
conservation stone wall that comes from

1674
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,440
this pin here and basically goes

1675
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:19,760
straight to another stone wall and then

1676
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,560
there's a swath of a conservation that

1677
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,080
goes all the way over to bridge. Um but

1678
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,080
this development site is outside of the

1679
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,920
conation. Well, we still get over the

1680
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:36,000
hurdle of um a permission to to uh sell

1681
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,600
that lot or and this isn't a real good

1682
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,640
option. We own it and they build on it

1683
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,400
and and that's not a real good option.

1684
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,000
That's going to create a major hurdle at

1685
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,360
some point. But we we actually haven't

1686
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,560
heard back from them. No. Um because we

1687
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,280
did with we actually got them out there

1688
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,360
and we walked the entire perimeter of

1689
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,880
the conserved land because their wordage

1690
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,800
reference the seller hole that doesn't

1691
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,480
exist. Uh it reference it says it's 25

1692
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:11,440
ft off the old cellar hole and the only

1693
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:13,040
thing we can think of is there used to

1694
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,880
be an addition on the barn and and I put

1695
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,120
a stake up and it lines up perfectly

1696
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,040
with this stone wall and the next stone

1697
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,960
wall and this is the land that protects

1698
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,000
the historic not going around skyline.

1699
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:29,600
No no like they didn't know either. So

1700
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,120
that they were supposed to I think they

1701
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,320
didn't they say they were trying to

1702
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,320
clean that up? Yes, because that also

1703
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,120
references a stone wall up here and the

1704
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,360
stone wall isn't there. It's down here

1705
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:40,719
and and they were in agreement that

1706
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:42,880
that's where it is.

1707
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,640
Hey, uh I love the the land lesson, but

1708
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,239
the real question is around the

1709
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:49,920
upgrading and maintenance of the road,

1710
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,640
right? The rest go through permitting

1711
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,520
and and and do all that as far as

1712
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,880
whether you can do whatever or not. Um,

1713
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,360
so I what I wonder is because I think

1714
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,520
it's important to be consistent is

1715
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,600
what's the process if it's a class 4 to

1716
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,840
give uh people the ability to write

1717
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,600
maintain or or or improve that road. Um,

1718
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,440
and what's been the process of for a

1719
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,600
trail in the past for maintaining uh

1720
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,280
because we're not right dictating

1721
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,920
whether you intend to subdivide or not

1722
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,400
whatever uh like that that that'll be up

1723
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,880
to you at some point uh as land owners.

1724
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,800
What we're what all we're doing all the

1725
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,600
request I see is can we can we upgrade

1726
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,040
that to use it to access

1727
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,679
whether it's the field or a home right

1728
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:37,679
uh it doesn't matter if they build to me

1729
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:39,280
the request is it doesn't matter if they

1730
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,480
build the house or not they're just

1731
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:42,960
asking for being able to upgrade it to

1732
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,480
maybe potentially build it which gives

1733
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:46,800
us context but it could be to be doing a

1734
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,520
lot of work in that the field right or

1735
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,880
on the in the wood lot uh so that so I

1736
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,280
just we need to you know consist process

1737
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,320
for whether it's class 4 or a trail or

1738
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,639
when when we consider it allowable or

1739
01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:03,840
not allowable and to make sure that it's

1740
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,080
right and it's clear whenever that

1741
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,120
happens whether it's this trail or a

1742
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,679
different trail uh that it's clear who's

1743
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:14,880
maintaining what uh and so if somebody

1744
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,960
drives a monster truck down there and

1745
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,480
wrecks it was right because much as I

1746
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:25,280
like mud season roads um uh that I mean

1747
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,880
so we're just clear about that and that

1748
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,120
just there's a decision-m process I'm

1749
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,199
guessing you've decided the board has

1750
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,440
decided stuff like this in the past on

1751
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:36,719
class 4 roads uh and it seems like if

1752
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:39,920
there is a process in place for class 4

1753
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,880
roads and it seems similar to to a trail

1754
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,719
then that's the process we should use to

1755
01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:47,040
make the decision

1756
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,199
and that's ahead if the board is more

1757
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:54,080
comfortable with it going to a for the

1758
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,120
hoops aren't uh astronomical, but

1759
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,040
nonetheless, it's not a whole lot

1760
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,520
different than the road that you abandon

1761
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,000
off of Cook Strong Road. You know, you

1762
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,679
got to go and framulate. You got to do

1763
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:08,400
this, you got to do that to to go from a

1764
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,360
trail to a four and and then when it's

1765
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,040
all that said and done, we come in and

1766
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,679
ask a class 4 and the end results

1767
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:18,159
exactly the same.

1768
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:19,920
I just I just think we need a consistent

1769
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,840
process that we follow. I mean, we have

1770
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,199
one

1771
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:25,360
and and right now it's in the hands of

1772
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,600
the DIB is where that would be. Um John

1773
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:34,080
is same is this this is sort of uh a

1774
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,320
breakdown from the previous uh

1775
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,239
submission to the planning commission

1776
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,800
for subdivision that it's not on the

1777
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,639
back burner and this is a resurrection

1778
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:44,880
of it. Uh that that's what I was

1779
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,280
wondering. Now, if I recall from that,

1780
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,080
isn't the property

1781
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,800
um as as we're looking at this your your

1782
01:23:54,800 --> 01:24:00,719
side where your house is and and that lower lot, isn't that three to five

1783
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:03,920
on that side of the road?

1784
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,120
I I think we found that shaded as 10,

1785
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,840
but uh I could be wrong. Regardless, I

1786
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,280
thought it was three to five on that

1787
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,520
side of the You may be right. You may be

1788
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,520
right. It's 10. It's 10. X10 on the

1789
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,760
other side and you were the way you were

1790
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,920
trying to break it out had to do with

1791
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,840
the conservation stuff that you didn't

1792
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,600
want to affect that. So you had moved

1793
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,600
and shifted and you were actually

1794
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,520
crossing the road and you would have

1795
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,600
been creating like a 3acre lot on the

1796
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,920
right hand side of the road. Yeah. That

1797
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,600
would have been in C10 which would have

1798
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:38,159
been non-conforming in the C10 area. Um,

1799
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:41,040
so but but but if you're if you're if

1800
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,719
you're going to stay on that side of

1801
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:46,400
that road, it's 3 to five. And unless

1802
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,440
this is actually a um accessory

1803
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,040
dwelling,

1804
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,560
then it probably should be going through

1805
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,520
planning, not planning, but DV now

1806
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,239
because they handle subdivisions. should

1807
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:00,000
I mean

1808
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,400
they I understand that

1809
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,400
but but it would if it's going to be an

1810
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,880
accessory dwelling you're putting a

1811
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,520
second building on No this isn't this

1812
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,040
isn't a residence on the plot the

1813
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,320
residence is on the other side of the

1814
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,120
road correct

1815
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,239
house what you're looking at that's the

1816
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:20,480
barn that's his house that's the

1817
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,239
proposed house but this building here is

1818
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:24,880
a barn okay

1819
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,800
John's house is on the other side the

1820
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:27,679
tea

1821
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:30,239
Okay. Yes. So that would be the only

1822
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:31,840
residence on the slot. There's no

1823
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,800
subdividing me.

1824
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,800
Nothing but memory because I had

1825
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,320
forgotten that they didn't talk about

1826
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,000
going across the road to come up with

1827
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,199
the right uh Yeah. And then you get into

1828
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:47,679
a kind of a sticky wicket. Yeah. Yeah.

1829
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:49,199
That's what I recall happening

1830
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,040
there. I'm not not trying to stop this.

1831
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,800
I'm just trying to find the easiest and

1832
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,560
the right avenue. Like I said, you're

1833
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:00,229
right in consistency in the process. Um

1834
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:02,880
I think Yeah, I saw writing his hand up.

1835
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,960
I might took a pause there. I was

1836
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,239
waiting to see if he was going to

1837
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:10,080
continue. No, it's okay.

1838
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,159
So, I did do a bunch of research on this

1839
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:13,600
to find out what the best way is for the

1840
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,400
town and the residents. Um you can keep

1841
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,560
it a trail and they can get permission

1842
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,320
to work on a trail just like get

1843
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,360
permission to work on class 4 road. Um

1844
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,199
that would the same process would be put

1845
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:26,400
on if they want to do something down

1846
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,480
there or any other legal trail we have

1847
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,960
in town. It would be discussion in the

1848
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,679
same process. Um if we make it a class

1849
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:35,199
four we're going to have legal expenses.

1850
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:36,080
We're going to have a lot of time and

1851
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,400
energy put into laying it out and coming

1852
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,800
to hearings. I know it's doesn't seem

1853
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,239
like a big deal but it is a lot of work

1854
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,639
and it is an extra expense to the town.

1855
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:46,159
um we can achieve the same goals by

1856
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,400
keeping this trail and keep it easy for

1857
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,960
these folks if there's ever a desire to

1858
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,040
30 years down the road subdivide this

1859
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:54,560
will be here anyway hopefully I'll be

1860
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,280
done by then um but it'll go through the

1861
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,639
process of zoning and everything else

1862
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,000
all the regulations if they want to make

1863
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,600
it class three road then they would have

1864
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,520
to bring it up the specs and then down

1865
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,679
could could or could not take it off so

1866
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:08,400
this is the best way I can come up with

1867
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,960
to describe it to Brandon and and John

1868
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,920
and these folks on how to do it and all

1869
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,639
the books and make it reasonable with

1870
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:20,000
everybody. So, we are following that

1871
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,480
procedure to do class. We did meet with

1872
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,400
the town attorney on this because the

1873
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,159
proposal was to use legal trail six. Um,

1874
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:30,080
it wasn't to change it to a class four

1875
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,679
road or a class three road. Um so what

1876
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:36,800
we we recommended here is in this

1877
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,320
paragraph here came from the town

1878
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,920
attorney. Um these would be our proposed

1879
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,760
next steps on the board

1880
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:50,719
and the thing is to protect the town and the residents that

1881
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,719
are having the house there and make sure

1882
01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:54,639
we understands and it's clearly written

1883
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:57,440
and defined that this is a public road.

1884
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,280
No private signs. So they can post their

1885
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,880
driveway and say keep out. But people

1886
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,639
are going to be able to drive up this

1887
01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:04,560
road if they accidentally drive up it

1888
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:05,920
and you're not going to be able to chase

1889
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,360
them off pitch books or whatever. You

1890
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:08,800
know that that's what I'm trying to

1891
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,920
protect us from. Um

1892
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,520
and it would be you know IRF would

1893
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,600
discuss it with the fire, you know, fire

1894
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,000
apparatus be good turn fire truck and

1895
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,159
park there and another truck can go in a

1896
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:22,880
fire. you know, it's all kind of has

1897
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,440
been and and one other thing, there is

1898
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:27,840
precedence in the trail being improved

1899
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,560
and not very far from where we live. Um,

1900
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,440
if you go out uh you lane and where it

1901
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:35,440
turns into a trail has been

1902
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:37,840
significantly improved. It was done

1903
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,520
primarily for logging trucks, but

1904
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,080
nonetheless, it significantly improved.

1905
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,639
I think that went before the board, but

1906
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:46,480
um maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but I

1907
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:49,440
don't think it did. Um and and but I'm

1908
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:52,480
going to back and I hope that this

1909
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:56,560
triggers a review of the policy u so

1910
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,800
that it's more definitive answer on what

1911
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,800
you can and cannot do on the trail. Can

1912
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,280
you gain it uh when it more or less

1913
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:04,960
becomes a dependent road or do you have

1914
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,880
to leave it open to put up signage no

1915
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,360
vehicle? I don't know. But um you may

1916
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:10,800
want to look at that. There are other

1917
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,840
trails in town that probably need to be

1918
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,800
addressed so this discussion is easier

1919
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,920
to have. Kelly, there there is another

1920
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,920
place that I do recall the ancient roads

1921
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,000
committee issue and when those those

1922
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,040
roads came up or those conversions to

1923
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:33,040
trails or whatever at that time uh a

1924
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:37,920
trail did say that no motorized needs

1925
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,560
and so so we do need to find that and

1926
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,480
make sure that got changed. Um and and

1927
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:47,440
the other thing is in in this proposed

1928
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:51,679
um uh next steps, the four next steps,

1929
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:53,360
would it be appropriate to to include

1930
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,600
the Arisons in some of that? I know

1931
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,679
we're talking about changing the trail,

1932
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:00,239
but the road and the trail are kind of

1933
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:02,159
one and and if you're talking about

1934
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:03,440
changes that are needed, they've

1935
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:05,440
mentioned a few and what's going on.

1936
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:07,199
Should they be listed in there? Is just

1937
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:09,120
to make sure that everybody that's up

1938
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,440
there is on the same page and it's part

1939
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:13,679
of your It's up to you guys. I don't

1940
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:15,920
have a problem meeting with the TARS and

1941
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:20,960
the Arisons to review. Um I I just you

1942
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:22,320
know if we're going to move in that

1943
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,120
direction I'm just suggesting maybe your

1944
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,719
names are in the these

1945
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:30,880
right we are still the owner of that

1946
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,760
lot. Yeah. And um that we haven't gotten

1947
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,360
that part of that and how we're going to

1948
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:40,629
handle that.

1949
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:42,320
We have discussed what happens if you

1950
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:46,790
guys get divorced.

1951
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,639
This being that nonetheless, things

1952
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:51,760
happen. Yeah. And if somebody else own

1953
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,120
the barn across the road,

1954
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,800
you start charging rent. Yeah.

1955
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,520
Feeling fluffy. And now now is divorce.

1956
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,360
I mean he says that but I think it is

1957
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,520
important right because might not be

1958
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,320
owned by the same family and that's the

1959
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,960
way it has to be considered.

1960
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,800
Well that's what brought me back to the

1961
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,040
uh the DRB and the planning commission

1962
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,679
which gave up the subdivisions because

1963
01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:19,600
you do have property on both sides of

1964
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,400
the roads here. But I do I do recall

1965
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,719
this this lower section is three to

1966
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:27,120
five. pretty sure on the

1967
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,679
that would be the south side of the

1968
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:31,520
class three where your barn is, right?

1969
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,679
Yep. That's that's the south side. Yeah.

1970
01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:37,040
Right. I'm pretty I'm I'm positive that

1971
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:42,560
side is three to five maybe. Right. And and pretty from that from that

1972
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,560
subdivision you submitted a year or two

1973
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,520
ago. I think it was and the the other

1974
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:52,800
side is 10. So I think they got that law is over 10 acres 20 acres I

1975
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,880
think you said.

1976
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,880
could easily subdivide three acres off

1977
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,440
there and separate the barn from those

1978
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,840
if you wanted to do that. I'm just but I

1979
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,840
don't think any of that matters in this discussion. It doesn't in the

1980
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,080
future it may there's I'm just pointing

1981
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,239
out that it's the ability to do that.

1982
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:11,760
You don't have to do 10 acres on that

1983
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,679
over there for that house. And and there

1984
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:16,000
may be a way to to configure it so you

1985
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,960
don't have to do a land trust. We still

1986
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,000
own that land, right? And and they

1987
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,280
wouldn't we don't have front yard. But

1988
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,120
all I mean is we just have to be

1989
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,360
consistent around anytime anybody asked

1990
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,840
for a trail or change it from foot

1991
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,400
traffic only to motorized. We just have

1992
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,320
to have a that that's where we have to

1993
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:37,920
be consistent whether it's this

1994
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,560
situation or right any trail that's

1995
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,800
designated a trail you just be

1996
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,440
consistent on the process to change it

1997
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:48,480
to allow motorized or improvements. I'm

1998
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:49,920
all about improving the trails because I

1999
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,080
think they're a great asset to the town.

2000
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,800
Uh and I think it's done well by other

2001
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,840
communities who are using their class

2002
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,000
four roads and their their trails.

2003
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,000
Brandon, do you did you craft a motion

2004
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,480
for this? Uh to approve the request

2005
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,400
subject to conditions to be outlined in

2006
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,280
a formal agreement and its proposed next

2007
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,639
steps. So the select board, if it feels

2008
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:15,360
comfortable, would approve the request

2009
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,199
subject to conditions that the county

2010
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:18,960
attorney

2011
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,239
and I will create for the next meeting.

2012
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:24,880
Okay. So you don't need a motion to make

2013
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,719
or you do. I don't I don't I'm not

2014
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:28,800
ready.

2015
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,639
That's where I was trying to get, you

2016
01:33:30,639 --> 01:33:32,960
know, I wanted John I wanted John in

2017
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,600
here, Patty's answer. So, you guys want

2018
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,560
us to negotiate an agreement prior to a

2019
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,760
motion? I do. Okay. I think personally

2020
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,280
just there seem to be a lot of

2021
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,120
uncertainties. Number one, it's a

2022
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,800
precedent to allow residential

2023
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,679
development off of a trail and I'm not

2024
01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:52,000
sure what kind of Pandora's box that

2025
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,280
might open. I'm I'm more comfortable

2026
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,679
with I know we have given permission

2027
01:33:57,679 --> 01:33:59,679
when I say we I mean this board has

2028
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:03,199
given permission for people to

2029
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:05,280
develop residential properties off of

2030
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,159
class 4 town highways that we've done

2031
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:11,840
before and I'm I'm I'm more comfortable

2032
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,760
with that than I am. This seems like a

2033
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:17,840
house of cards to me a little bit. It's

2034
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:21,760
this very specific situation. Um the

2035
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,239
future I want to make an agreement that

2036
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:26,800
is going to be solid through the future

2037
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,800
regardless of who the parties are that

2038
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,840
are involved so that we're not keeping

2039
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,840
track of are they still married? Are you

2040
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:37,600
guys still talking to each other? Um who

2041
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,400
who's taking care of the barn? I I just

2042
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,000
want to see us work out something that

2043
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,560
gives them the access that they want but

2044
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,480
is durable through the future regardless

2045
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:49,120
of who the property owners are and what

2046
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:50,800
trail we're talking about, right? Like

2047
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,159
this is about this trail, but there's

2048
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:54,400
other trails.

2049
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,159
Do we want to allow development on

2050
01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,239
trails or do we want But what what

2051
01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:00,480
you're bringing up doesn't isn't that

2052
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:01,920
what we did at the planning commission

2053
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,760
with subdivision?

2054
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,120
Well, subdivision you have to have

2055
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,920
frontage on on a high on a town highway

2056
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,320
and a trail is not a town highway. Class

2057
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,600
is class which is back to your point

2058
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,040
which you've given permission. But but

2059
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:16,560
when you're talking about the future and

2060
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:23,760
longevity and all of that stuff, you're back to creating a lot that is

2061
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,719
usable in the future. What we talk about

2062
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:29,360
providing access to a lot that's durable

2063
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,639
over time, not a specific agreement for

2064
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:35,440
this particular situation in these

2065
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,840
particular parties that may not hold up

2066
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,159
in the future.

2067
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:41,440
Well, that's why I'm thinking

2068
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,239
subdivision is probably I don't see that

2069
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:47,040
subdivision is necessary in this case.

2070
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:48,880
There is a freestanding lot. It's

2071
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:50,880
naturally created by the roads that

2072
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,239
surround it. There's no other house on

2073
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:56,080
this lot. So, subdivision isn't

2074
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,400
necessary. Okay. If they want to divide

2075
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,040
the house off from the barn, then that

2076
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,440
becomes they still have front edge on

2077
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:04,960
the center road here. Whether it's

2078
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,600
accessible or not is never been

2079
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,280
required. Oh, I I see what you're

2080
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:10,960
saying. See what I'm saying? Yeah. See,

2081
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,920
technically they have this lot has

2082
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,480
usable frontage on two class 3 town

2083
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:19,199
highways. In fact, road is class two.

2084
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,360
Should we ask for review from the DRB on

2085
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:25,199
this? I don't think so. I think

2086
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,400
the question is, do we want to

2087
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,600
set by allowing residential development

2088
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,760
off of a trail?

2089
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,639
That that for me is my piece.

2090
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:38,800
I'm I'm more comfortable. Yes, it's just

2091
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,239
probably an academic exercise, but I I'm

2092
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:44,400
more comfortable with

2093
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,159
upgrading

2094
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,719
reclassifying that section of this trail

2095
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:51,760
to a class 4. It was class 4 before. Put

2096
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,080
it back to a class 4 and then give them

2097
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,800
permission to have their driveway off.

2098
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,280
Then it becomes a highway. And that for

2099
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,560
me solves a lot of regardless of the

2100
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,360
importance.

2101
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,440
Yeah. And being being a separate law,

2102
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:08,639
you know, you know, if you lose your

2103
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:11,760
barn, that's that's on you. Yeah. You

2104
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:15,199
might have to move it across.

2105
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,679
Well, I just and if we're diligent about

2106
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:20,639
it, the trans changing it from from a

2107
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:23,360
trail I understand your point completely

2108
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,400
um into changing it to that section to a

2109
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:30,159
class 4 could take place fairly rapidly

2110
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,239
with a few meetings and you guys come

2111
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:34,800
out and visit and all that. You get to

2112
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,400
see the pretty view and all that. I

2113
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,639
don't I don't see that as a as a Well,

2114
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:40,320
we can formulate it in the pouring

2115
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,080
array.

2116
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,440
I'll bring my Do we have to survey it?

2117
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:47,040
That's always been thrown up every time

2118
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,119
we try to reclassify the Crown Point

2119
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:52,400
Road to a trail. We have to survey.

2120
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,119
Yeah, we reclassified part of Katy Hill

2121
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:58,790
Road without surveying.

2122
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,719
We went from a class three to a class 4

2123
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:03,520
and it was not survey. We uh went from a

2124
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,119
class three to a trail. Well, whatever

2125
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:09,360
it was, you reclassified it without

2126
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,119
surveying. So, it's not like we've

2127
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:14,950
jumped on this before.

2128
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,239
What's the one What's the one off the

2129
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:18,400
Katy Hill that goes up to Binghams? We

2130
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,760
did that. That That one got upgraded.

2131
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,679
Yeah, that was changed. I I don't think

2132
01:38:23,679 --> 01:38:26,639
that was right. You're still going to

2133
01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:29,199
have a can of worms if you take and turn

2134
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:31,600
it into a class 4 so they can use it for

2135
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,159
their driveway. How you going to what's

2136
01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:35,760
going to happen to every trail in town

2137
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,679
if somebody wants to to turn that into a

2138
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:39,760
class four? You're still going to be in

2139
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,080
the same the same legal basis, right?

2140
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:43,600
But you're still going to be in the same

2141
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,280
You're going to have to really do what's

2142
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,440
the policy for what's the criteria for

2143
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:49,280
making a trail to a class 4. It's in

2144
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,600
statute.

2145
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,840
I guess my point is if I came to you and

2146
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,480
I said I wanted to make

2147
01:38:56,480 --> 01:38:58,480
another trail in town, a class 4, you

2148
01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:00,560
told me no because you wanted to keep

2149
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,480
that a trail. How come you told them yes

2150
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:04,239
and telling me no? That's the point I'm

2151
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:05,920
trying to make with every case is

2152
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,000
different. Yeah. You have to review each

2153
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,960
case separately because every case is

2154
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,719
absolutely different depending on where

2155
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:15,119
you are at the public. We have a public

2156
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:18,719
meeting that gets warmed. Um we notify

2157
01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:21,440
Butters

2158
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:22,800
if we're going to go through the class 4

2159
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,040
road process that's fine as well. In

2160
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:26,639
this case the butter list is pretty

2161
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:30,310
short.

2162
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,199
So,

2163
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,280
is there anything we have to do tonight

2164
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:38,480
for this or I I guess I'm just kind of

2165
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:40,880
looking for some direction. Do we want

2166
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:46,149
to go the class 4 road process or

2167
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:47,840
want me to kind of move in the direction

2168
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:51,360
of using the trail for the access? Do

2169
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,400
you guys want to see what both options

2170
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,360
look like for the next meeting?

2171
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:58,960
I don't want this to drag on too long

2172
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,840
for these folks. Yeah,

2173
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:03,840
we already did drag it on a little bit

2174
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,600
because I was looking to get guidance

2175
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,400
from town council on this. It did take a

2176
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,639
couple of couple of meetings to get back

2177
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:14,960
to it. Um, which isn't a

2178
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,320
request to rush the process. Well, I say

2179
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,080
perhaps the question we got to do is

2180
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:21,760
find out about that motorized vehicle

2181
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,639
thing they used to be paying. If that's

2182
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:26,400
I found anything I put something into

2183
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,560
the LCT the municipal assistance center

2184
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,000
to ask that question. I couldn't find

2185
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,840
any statuto reference to that, but I

2186
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,679
know it was in place on the ancient

2187
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,360
roads.

2188
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:36,960
If it was, it should be it should be

2189
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:38,639
repealed. There should be a number for

2190
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:40,320
it. It was would have been repealed.

2191
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,480
Would it be in somewhere located in the

2192
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:43,920
minutes or documents of our ancient

2193
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,480
roads? I I didn't come into the road.

2194
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:52,000
I put in a request for

2195
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:56,960
municipal see if you can I I think

2196
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,440
and and maybe that solves part of that

2197
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:02,560
problem but you're still talking about a

2198
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,040
trail and a and you know driveway access

2199
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,520
off in this case the trail is not being

2200
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:10,719
used as frontage

2201
01:41:10,719 --> 01:41:13,040
technically if it was being used as

2202
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,440
frontage I would be adamant to vote in

2203
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:19,280
the last war But it's not. There's

2204
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,960
plenty of frontage on this lot to

2205
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,760
satisfy that require. They just want a

2206
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:41,590
driveway.

2207
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:47,199
I'm ready. Would be okay.

2208
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:49,040
to come back to the select board with an

2209
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,199
avenue for both and answer all the

2210
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:52,239
questions and then they can make a

2211
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:55,520
choice to whether go to class 4 trail

2212
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,280
get more answers on the motorized

2213
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:00,400
vehicle and the process and all that.

2214
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,040
Absolutely. prepared to the next meeting

2215
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,520
June 23rd. Yeah, if that's the way the

2216
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:12,709
board wants, you know,

2217
01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:15,520
if if that's where we go, then we

2218
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,679
parallel request to upgrade a class four

2219
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:20,080
road exactly the same time so we get to

2220
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,320
the finish line together.

2221
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:23,840
That way we know the whole process for

2222
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:25,119
both and you guys can make a decision

2223
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:28,159
based on what we want updating for

2224
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:29,679
policies.

2225
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:32,639
Do you want to see what a general policy

2226
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:34,480
would look like? We don't show these as

2227
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:37,440
well.

2228
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:39,920
Not

2229
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,400
to do it. Okay. Let's bring this to the

2230
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,119
finish line. All right.

2231
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:50,629
I agree.

2232
01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:52,719
Thank you.

2233
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:54,480
This is

2234
01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:56,639
Thank you. We see you at our next

2235
01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:00,560
meeting. Yes, absolutely. Thank you.

2236
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,560
Started rolling it down. We'll figure it

2237
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,480
out. Yeah.

2238
01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:06,880
Okay. Next item. Number 10, purchase and

2239
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:21,270
policy. The second reading.

2240
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,159
Um, what changed?

2241
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,800
Um, so there there have been some

2242
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,440
changes. Um, I received uh input from

2243
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:31,840
the treasurer and also the accountant.

2244
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:34,719
um upon the purching policy. We also

2245
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,639
made the changes that you requested in

2246
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:39,679
the last meeting which is number one. Um

2247
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:41,840
section 3.2

2248
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,760
removed the phrase except for employee

2249
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,000
reimbursement. We'll continue to use the

2250
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,080
existing one that's been working well.

2251
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:49,600
Um

2252
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,400
section 3.2 2, we added the requirement

2253
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,800
that all designates must be approved in

2254
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,790
advance for the kind of content,

2255
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:02,320
which is like if Ray State wanted to

2256
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,639
designate a person within the highway

2257
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:07,199
department to be able to make purchases

2258
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:09,280
on his behalf, the accountant would just

2259
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:10,719
need to be notified about that

2260
01:44:10,719 --> 01:44:12,480
improvement.

2261
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:14,320
Um,

2262
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,400
section 3.2 remove the sentence.

2263
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,000
employee reimbursements regardless of

2264
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,920
the amount require a purchase order and

2265
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,560
prepared. Again, our existing form is

2266
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,119
working well. Um, and it seemed to be

2267
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:26,639
fine with the treasurer and also the

2268
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:29,679
accountant. Um, and so

2269
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:32,320
section 3.3 the wording by changing

2270
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,280
between to overt adjusted the threshold

2271
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:39,920
from 501 to 500 and added up to 4200. So

2272
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:43,040
it's just something

2273
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,760
23 updated language

2274
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:47,840
to do not require the approval in

2275
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,600
advance from the town manager but should

2276
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,040
be submitted to the finance department

2277
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,400
within 72 hours. Um and again that's

2278
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,560
just so that the accountant can be

2279
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,080
informed

2280
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:01,520
um on any purchases that are made so she

2281
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:02,960
has an understanding when it comes to

2282
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,639
the warrant.

2283
01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:07,679
Sections 3.4 4 replace between with over

2284
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:11,119
and add up to and then we added a new

2285
01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:13,760
clause for employee reimbursements

2286
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:32,550
section 3.8 Okay.

2287
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:36,000
Is there, forgive me if this is a dumb

2288
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,080
question, the things that are eligible

2289
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,119
for reimbursement, is that categorized

2290
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:43,600
somewhere, listed somewhere, provided in

2291
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:47,440
the purchasing policy? Um so we the way

2292
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:52,950
we define that is um

2293
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,600
as a as an account expense that an

2294
01:45:55,600 --> 01:46:00,080
employee made. So like if I think for in

2295
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,080
the highway department for example

2296
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,320
employees purchase boots and then they

2297
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,760
get reimbured for them. Um

2298
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,880
also occasionally if a an employee goes

2299
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,119
to a conference and then decides to stay

2300
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:15,280
overnight we pay for it in advance we

2301
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,040
would reimburse the hotel with hotel

2302
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,639
expenses. Um there are other common

2303
01:46:20,639 --> 01:46:23,119
expenses like when the fire departments

2304
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:25,600
um are on scene and they buy coffee and

2305
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,440
donuts and they ask for reimbursement

2306
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:30,400
for that. So it's it's a lot of

2307
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:36,320
sometimes it's pizza. Has there been any

2308
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:39,600
difficulties with that years ago like

2309
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:41,280
but for the most part people understand

2310
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,040
they need to either ask ahead of time is

2311
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,360
this eligible or they make the correct

2312
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,520
assumption I haven't had any issues

2313
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:49,760
since I don't want to make it an issue

2314
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,760
if it's since 2020 I think was the last

2315
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,400
issue with expense reimbursements and it

2316
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,760
was cleared up so if it becomes an issue

2317
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:01,760
we could always spell it out there but

2318
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,639
absolutely right now it's not a No, not

2319
01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:07,840
at all. Yeah, it seems like if it was a

2320
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:09,119
request for something that would be an

2321
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:11,440
issue, it wouldn't be denied. As long as

2322
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:13,920
they seem to ask, too. If they don't and

2323
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,440
assume it's going to be okay and it's

2324
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:19,119
not punishable. Well, problem. Well,

2325
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:21,040
exactly.

2326
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:22,480
But, um, I don't want to make it a

2327
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:24,960
problem. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's very

2328
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,719
reasonable. Yeah. That I've worked with

2329
01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:29,199
in the past and and currently. And this

2330
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:32,000
is all receipts. Receipt. It's called

2331
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,360
reimbursement. you know, you have to

2332
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,360
produce a receipt for the hotel room or

2333
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:38,159
the boots or whatever. The biggest

2334
01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:39,840
issues we were having in the past is not

2335
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,000
receiving receipts

2336
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,560
and we didn't like that too much because

2337
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,040
like you go to the pizza shop, you get a

2338
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,360
couple of pizzas. We just want to be

2339
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,360
sure that it's not fair or anything in

2340
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,119
there. It's something that the treasurer

2341
01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:56,400
really wanted. um

2342
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,080
has to be an item just so that we can

2343
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,239
have the newspaper that shows it. Plus,

2344
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,400
it I don't think any employee would

2345
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:08,320
actually ask for reimbursement, but

2346
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:13,270
maybe it went back

2347
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:16,639
to the third reading. Okay, second.

2348
01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:18,639
Any discussion?

2349
01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:22,239
All those in favor? I I

2350
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:26,550
next time.

2351
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:30,550
And uh

2352
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,800
yeah, Brian Dumbart, you're up next for

2353
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,960
the nuisance and unkempt property

2354
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,679
ordinance.

2355
01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:39,920
Okay.

2356
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,280
Is that in your packet? Because I didn't

2357
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,320
see it in there. I don't see it either.

2358
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:46,159
There's nothing in it. Yeah, Ryan. I

2359
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:49,280
didn't have it in my bingo.

2360
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,000
I think I had texted and asked if you

2361
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,750
had sent it.

2362
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:57,840
Okay. You you read the email that uh it

2363
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,320
was shared with the the town attorney.

2364
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,960
Um he was still reviewing it. We weren't

2365
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:03,920
sure if he was going to have any

2366
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:05,920
comments in time for tonight's meeting.

2367
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,960
Um he hasn't he has some general

2368
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,520
comments, you know, that an ordinance is

2369
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,320
a good idea. It's probably the the more

2370
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:16,960
effective way to handle these issues.

2371
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,760
Um, but I have a draft. He's reviewing

2372
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,400
it. Um, do you how do you want to hand

2373
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,840
do you want me to sort of go over the gist of it just so you're familiar

2374
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,639
with it when it comes around again? Um,

2375
01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:31,360
or do you want to wait for that?

2376
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:33,119
I have it up. Basically, I can tell you

2377
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:34,960
the purpose and how things are defined

2378
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:39,750
and how it works generally.

2379
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,080
Ryan, you can also share your screen if

2380
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:46,000
you'd like. Okay.

2381
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:47,840
Well, I guess I can request access from

2382
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:56,629
you. Yeah, I sent request.

2383
01:49:56,639 --> 01:50:04,310
Okay.

2384
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,639
Are you seeing it?

2385
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:09,360
You want me to make it bigger?

2386
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:15,750
Well,

2387
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:21,669
That work?

2388
01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:24,560
Can you hear me? Is that working?

2389
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,880
Yeah, it's working. We're just like

2390
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,280
reorganizing the screen a little bit

2391
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,600
from the top. Well, I think in generally

2392
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,520
though, just give us a summary because I

2393
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:38,229
want to end this.

2394
01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:40,480
Sure. So, I'll just I'll read you the

2395
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:41,760
purpose and then we'll go through kind

2396
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,760
of how it works. The purpose of this

2397
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:45,520
ordinance is to protect public health,

2398
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,119
safety, and welfare, preserve

2399
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:48,639
neighborhood character, and promote

2400
01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:50,480
responsible property stewardship by

2401
01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:52,560
providing the town with a comprehensive

2402
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,719
framework to identify, respond to, and

2403
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:56,880
resolve conditions on properties that

2404
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:58,960
constitute nuisances or unckempt

2405
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,040
property. The ordinance is designed to

2406
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,880
work in coordination with zoning,

2407
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,600
health, and solid waste laws to provide

2408
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,520
the town with a flexible and enforcable

2409
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,080
set of tools, including and the

2410
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:11,440
including the ability to abate

2411
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:14,159
violations and recover associated costs

2412
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:17,679
via enforcable leans. And so when when

2413
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:19,119
we talked the first time, I just sort of

2414
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:21,040
brought it up as a general question

2415
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:22,880
about how the board feels about this

2416
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:27,199
issue of properties becoming um overrun

2417
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:30,639
with with junk and discarded items or or

2418
01:51:30,639 --> 01:51:32,800
things that people say are their their

2419
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:35,920
possessions um hoarding situations,

2420
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,719
different things like that that I get

2421
01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:42,320
somewhat frequent um complaints about.

2422
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:44,719
and the zoning

2423
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:48,239
path for violations in compliance is

2424
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:51,599
just not that um effective or

2425
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:55,119
costefficient. So, if I were to issue a

2426
01:51:55,119 --> 01:51:58,159
violation on a property

2427
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:02,800
um for this this reason, um one of the

2428
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,119
avenues that's been tried in the past

2429
01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:07,440
under past administrators

2430
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:11,440
um is to issue a violation that the

2431
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:14,880
property owner is operating a junkyard

2432
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:18,480
as defined without a permit to do so.

2433
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:25,280
Um, and that has been appealed to the zoning board in the past who

2434
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,280
basically said that the zoning bylaw the

2435
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,840
definition was too vague um and it

2436
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,400
wasn't enforceable. And so since then

2437
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:33,760
nothing's changed with the the

2438
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,599
definition of that. But um even if the

2439
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:41,119
board upheld it um and there was a

2440
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:43,520
active violation on the property, in

2441
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,280
theory that means that it gets fined on

2442
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:48,800
a daily basis. But in practice, it does

2443
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,199
need to be um the the select board needs

2444
01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:54,080
to dictate that this goes to the court

2445
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,080
and then the environmental court needs

2446
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:59,920
to agree um with the town's decision and

2447
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:03,119
they then set the the fines and the

2448
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:05,679
amount um and when they become

2449
01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:07,360
effective. Usually they're a little bit

2450
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,199
more lenient. They'll give you 6 months

2451
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:11,280
to clean up um where maybe this has

2452
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,119
already been going on for 6 months or

2453
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:17,920
more. Um and so the primary difference

2454
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:20,320
is that a st an ordinance on its own

2455
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,960
separate from zoning has the ability to

2456
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:27,679
create a lean on the property and um

2457
01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:31,520
issue fines kind of like um ticketing

2458
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,800
fees. Um,

2459
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,960
so there's a definition section that

2460
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,320
talks about what a nuisance

2461
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,880
property is and what unckempt property

2462
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:46,480
is and how those are different. Um, it

2463
01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:48,800
defines who the enforcement officer is

2464
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:52,159
and a person which is an individual or a

2465
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:56,400
group um, basically a land owner.

2466
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:58,320
Um, so those are some things that we

2467
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,000
that might be worth discussing after you

2468
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,599
have some time to look at it is those

2469
01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:03,199
definitions and I'm sure that the

2470
01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:06,000
attorney will have some some advice on

2471
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:11,350
those. Um,

2472
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,000
so there's I guess the next section just

2473
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,000
sort of clarifies

2474
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,800
what um

2475
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,199
what this ordinance does. And then the

2476
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:23,360
enforcement framework

2477
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:26,960
section basically says there there could

2478
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:28,880
be a zoning option if that's the best

2479
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,280
way to handle it. Um and it can be

2480
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,440
handled through a notice of violation if

2481
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,400
there's a health situation like um

2482
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:38,480
someone has a lot of garbage and it's

2483
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,440
bringing in um rats or something like

2484
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,280
that and there's documentation. another

2485
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:45,679
issue that's been kind of hard to move

2486
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:48,159
forward with because the documentation

2487
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:50,239
of that is difficult and it doesn't

2488
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:51,760
really address things ahead of time.

2489
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:54,639
There has to be rats already causing a

2490
01:54:54,639 --> 01:54:57,199
public health problem um before anything

2491
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,520
can be done there, but that that's still

2492
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:02,320
an option. Um we do have a solid waste

2493
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:06,159
ordinance. Um it doesn't talk about

2494
01:55:06,159 --> 01:55:09,599
enforcement or anything like that. um

2495
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:12,880
but another potential avenue. And then

2496
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:16,159
under this ordinance, um the enforcement

2497
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:18,080
officer would issue a municipal

2498
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:19,520
complaint. I'm not sure if that's the

2499
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:25,840
appropriate term. The the attorney will clarify that. Um and the violations

2500
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:27,920
will be subject to penalties. And so

2501
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:29,440
there's a section that talks about how

2502
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:35,430
those penalties work. Um

2503
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:38,639
so it talks about um

2504
01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:41,599
violations that don't get resolved um

2505
01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:46,560
and how the town can um can recover any

2506
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:50,000
costs associated with this um cost

2507
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,159
incured by the town shall be build to

2508
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:54,639
the property owner and if unpaid after

2509
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:57,040
30 days the town may record a cost as a

2510
01:55:57,040 --> 01:56:00,320
lean against the property and

2511
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,520
that gives the town some actual leverage

2512
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:09,440
to uh to take take their own action. Um

2513
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:11,360
and so in practice sometimes what that

2514
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:13,280
looks like and I I think I brought it up

2515
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:16,000
last time is what Windsor has done in

2516
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,440
the past from time to time is get a

2517
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:20,880
dumpster and put it on the property and

2518
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:22,239
say fill the dumpster and we'll get rid

2519
01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:24,480
of it or something like that. Um maybe

2520
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:25,760
that means that they'll build them

2521
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:27,679
afterwards. Ultimately, what we're what

2522
01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:29,840
the goal is is compliance and fixing the

2523
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:33,599
issue. Um, so if that's if paying for a

2524
01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:35,280
dumpster fixes the issue, that might be

2525
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,520
a whole lot cheaper than going to court.

2526
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,320
Um, and then so the next section talks

2527
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:43,119
about the penalties. Um, and those

2528
01:56:43,119 --> 01:56:45,679
numbers are just sort of starting points

2529
01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:48,960
and uh the attorney and and you all

2530
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:50,639
should look at those and whether those

2531
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:54,880
are appropriate or not. Um,

2532
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:56,880
and then

2533
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:58,800
let's see. In addition to penalties, the

2534
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,480
town may seek injunctive relief,

2535
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:02,639
including cleanup orders, entering the

2536
01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:05,199
property to abate the condition, um,

2537
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:07,119
recover all associated abatement costs

2538
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:08,719
from the owner, and file a lean on the

2539
01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:11,280
land records. Um,

2540
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:15,760
that's that's the majority of it.

2541
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:28,070
Do you have any questions on that?

2542
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:30,239
I don't hear anybody say well I I've got

2543
01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:33,119
a lot of them but I mean not right now

2544
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:35,599
until I have the document completely to

2545
01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:37,360
go over

2546
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:41,920
and look at. Um any questions about the

2547
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,840
concept

2548
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,560
of enforcing these things?

2549
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,560
The the one question I did have written

2550
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,360
down is and I know we've had this in our

2551
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:55,280
town um where the state uh was notified

2552
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,119
that there's some language where the

2553
01:57:57,119 --> 01:57:58,800
state has to actually come in and

2554
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:03,040
declare a junkyard. Yeah. Right. I think

2555
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,679
that's in statute. And we we don't

2556
01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:07,760
actually get to make that determination

2557
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,440
that

2558
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:11,119
we we have to ask the state for them to

2559
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:13,760
come in and and give that determination.

2560
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:14,960
I'm just going to direct that to the

2561
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:17,520
land use administrator. That question, I

2562
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:19,599
think that depends if we're going to be

2563
01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:22,000
pursuing it as a state enforcement

2564
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:23,920
action or a town enforcement action. If

2565
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,480
we want the state to do the work, um

2566
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,000
they obviously need to make sure it

2567
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,840
meets their definitions. But if we're

2568
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:30,880
going to pursue it as a zoning

2569
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:32,239
violation, it just has to meet our

2570
01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:35,760
zoning violation or zoning definitions.

2571
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:39,199
Um and the problem with the state

2572
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:41,599
enforcement is their capacity. they're

2573
01:58:41,599 --> 01:58:44,159
such a it's such a big area and the

2574
01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:45,920
number of these types of properties is

2575
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,920
really high. Um, and their ability to

2576
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,080
address some of the smaller ones, which

2577
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:53,520
would be the majority of what we're

2578
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:57,119
dealing with is it doesn't do it doesn't

2579
01:58:57,119 --> 01:59:00,000
do much. Okay.

2580
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,440
Well, that answers that question.

2581
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:05,840
Um yeah, in definitions there's

2582
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:07,199
definitely some things that need to be

2583
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:11,119
clarified like interferes with um in

2584
01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:14,560
number one um what would be considered

2585
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,560
interference

2586
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:20,320
uh by by a neighboring property uh to

2587
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,040
somebody reasonably reasonable use and

2588
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,440
enjoyment of their property. That would

2589
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:27,840
have to be specifically you'd have to

2590
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,760
know what that interference if what

2591
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,560
rises to interference.

2592
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:36,159
I' I'd have to know what that is.

2593
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:38,639
Um I mean it creates unsightly that's

2594
01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:41,280
obvious.

2595
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,840
The other one violates I mean the other

2596
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:45,679
the rest of it is pretty obvious but

2597
01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:47,440
interfering

2598
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,440
that's big. You know what does that

2599
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:51,440
mean? You know I mean is it so bad that

2600
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:52,800
it's blocking the road and I can't get

2601
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,440
to my property? Well, I think if someone

2602
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,520
wanted to submit a complaint about a

2603
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,920
property and that was the only section

2604
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:01,760
of this ordinance that applied to their

2605
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:04,880
situation, um I guess I can think of

2606
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,320
like rats might be a a situation like

2607
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,320
that and maybe the health ordin the

2608
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,119
health order is a better path, but um

2609
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:16,639
maybe not if they if they you know can't

2610
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:18,880
maintain their you know residential use

2611
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:20,320
of the property. So if they can't have

2612
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:22,000
like a garden or something like that

2613
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:25,840
because of the number of raccoons and

2614
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,360
you know different things that are there

2615
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:29,520
that might be interfering with their you

2616
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:32,000
know residential use of their property.

2617
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:37,760
Um and similarly a business might have complaints where their you know

2618
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,520
commercial use of their property is

2619
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:43,679
impacted by a neighbor's um you know

2620
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:45,760
their their condition. That would be one

2621
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,639
that I would see comes under one. The

2622
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:50,080
other the other couple that you

2623
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:51,760
mentioned are three and four. They're

2624
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:55,520
already there. But but that's

2625
02:00:55,520 --> 02:01:00,229
what means.

2626
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:02,000
Yeah.

2627
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:05,119
Um if we can get a copy of that so we

2628
02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:07,119
can look at it. Yeah. That'd be great.

2629
02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:09,280
Yeah. So might have more questions that

2630
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:14,070
we might want to have clarified.

2631
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:17,040
Yep. Definitely. it. The the other thing

2632
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:20,480
I am concerned about is and this is for

2633
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:23,679
the for the town side of it is if we

2634
02:01:23,679 --> 02:01:26,560
were to say, "Okay, you violated we're

2635
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,400
coming on your property and we're fixing

2636
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:31,760
your property." That's a scary thing. I

2637
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:34,800
think I mean

2638
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:36,400
you summed it up as saying that well

2639
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:39,119
maybe you see that as being a town maybe

2640
02:01:39,119 --> 02:01:40,960
putting a dumpster there. Well, you

2641
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:42,400
still kind of got to get permission to

2642
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:44,719
do that, don't you?

2643
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:46,400
that that's what this ordinance does.

2644
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:49,520
That's that's kind of the the idea is as

2645
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:51,199
long as they've met the criteria in the

2646
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:53,599
ordinance and they haven't they've been

2647
02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:55,599
given a due it does say after due

2648
02:01:55,599 --> 02:01:57,840
notice. Um but they've been given you

2649
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,520
know the due process that's laid out in

2650
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:01,679
the ordinance and they've failed to

2651
02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:04,400
comply then the next step is you know

2652
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:06,400
real action because that's kind of where

2653
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:08,960
our current regulations

2654
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,280
fade out is you can say all kinds of

2655
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:12,639
things but you can't you can't do

2656
02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:14,560
anything about it. So that I think

2657
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:16,400
that's the that's ultimately the goal of

2658
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:18,560
this ordinance, which is why I'm kind of

2659
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:20,960
trying to feel out how the board feels

2660
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:25,040
about addressing the the issue. Um, but

2661
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:27,360
if it is something that that the board

2662
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,960
wants to pursue, um, I think that's kind

2663
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,199
of the idea.

2664
02:02:33,199 --> 02:02:35,679
I I get that and I agree with you. I'm

2665
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:37,679
just a little concerned about showing up

2666
02:02:37,679 --> 02:02:40,400
on somebody's property. Even even with

2667
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:42,400
all of this,

2668
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,320
you know, that could be quite the

2669
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:46,880
confrontation. Even even going through

2670
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,400
the process, it could still be a pretty

2671
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,880
busy confrontation. I I would assume the

2672
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:55,840
sheriffs would be there

2673
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:59,119
and stuff and you could you could be

2674
02:02:59,119 --> 02:03:01,920
looking down the peril and come. You

2675
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:07,189
never know.

2676
02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:09,280
fireworks shop. It's just a little bit

2677
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:12,560
of scary situation. I think that's all.

2678
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,560
I mean, I know we need the teeth. I that

2679
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:17,840
I understand.

2680
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,239
So, I think the next step was would be

2681
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:23,360
to get it in writing, right? One and and

2682
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:26,719
see what the attorney also says.

2683
02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:28,719
If we can get if we can get a copy of

2684
02:03:28,719 --> 02:03:31,040
that and then uh after we hear back from

2685
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:33,679
the attorney, we'd like to uh go over it

2686
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:37,119
again so we can get our two cents worth.

2687
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:39,679
I I got one little more two cents to go

2688
02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:42,880
with that. Ryan, um should we ask the

2689
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:46,239
DRB uh to also maybe give some feedback

2690
02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:48,400
on what they think the planning

2691
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:50,400
commission should do with the zoning

2692
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:54,639
bylaws to work with this?

2693
02:03:54,639 --> 02:03:56,880
I just one one question on Well, I got a

2694
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:59,199
question on the floor first. I'm sorry.

2695
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:01,840
Go ahead.

2696
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:05,199
I guess that question is to Ryan. Okay.

2697
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:08,239
Should the DRB advise on this ordinance?

2698
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:10,639
Not not on this ordinance, but uh should

2699
02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:13,679
the DRB uh u review the ordinance and

2700
02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:16,880
review um the zoning bylaws that that

2701
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:18,159
are referenced because there are some

2702
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:19,760
references to zoning bylaws in the

2703
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:21,920
ordinance, right? Is there something

2704
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:23,679
more that could be done that that would

2705
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:26,080
be that they might

2706
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:27,920
uh request the planning commission look

2707
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:30,480
into um

2708
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:34,320
dealing with within the zoning bylaws?

2709
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:35,840
Might be more of a planning commission

2710
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,119
question. The DRB basically

2711
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:41,679
operates the what the with what the

2712
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:43,280
bylaws are. I don't think they've dealt

2713
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:47,119
with many um of these types of issues.

2714
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:49,360
There was that one that I mentioned

2715
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:52,719
maybe five or six years ago um that that

2716
02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:55,520
was an appeal from a notice of violation

2717
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:59,280
was issued and the the uh the appel I

2718
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:02,239
guess the violator appealed. Um but

2719
02:05:02,239 --> 02:05:06,480
other than that I don't know if they've you know that's really in their

2720
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:08,000
wheelhouse. It's kind of a legislative

2721
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:09,360
question. Should something be done in

2722
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:12,719
the bylaws to address it? I I understand

2723
02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:14,639
that and being being one of the planning

2724
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:16,719
commissioners, I was kind of trying to

2725
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:18,639
get some help from somebody else while

2726
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:21,760
we're tying up to the town plan.

2727
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:23,040
Maybe I just don't think it's their

2728
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:26,239
role. No, they could make suggestions to

2729
02:05:26,239 --> 02:05:28,639
us, I guess, is what I was looking for.

2730
02:05:28,639 --> 02:05:31,440
They could suggestions that that kind of

2731
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:33,760
thing that would help us because like I

2732
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:36,159
said, we're we're we're we don't have a

2733
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:37,520
town plan right now. We're kind of

2734
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,599
focused on getting through that and we

2735
02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:41,840
still got a ways to go. you know that

2736
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:43,920
you've done a lot of great work there

2737
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:47,280
and anyway

2738
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:49,760
I just want to add that uh well I agree

2739
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:51,520
with most of that especially when it

2740
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,440
comes to the health or junk and this and

2741
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:56,000
that well I would also add that if if

2742
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,239
someone's property so bad that it

2743
02:05:58,239 --> 02:06:00,320
lowered the value of your place when you

2744
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:02,719
try to sell it but adding to that I

2745
02:06:02,719 --> 02:06:05,040
would say having owned several acres in

2746
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:08,239
the Midwest in a HOA I would also warn

2747
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:10,880
against the town starting to operate

2748
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,520
like an HOA and like who's policing us,

2749
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,760
what what is decided, who's deciding

2750
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,719
what is unkempt, you know? I mean, uh,

2751
02:06:18,719 --> 02:06:20,719
you know, we we dealt with that there

2752
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:24,719
where a guy did operate on a small had a

2753
02:06:24,719 --> 02:06:26,320
small body shop and he had a couple two

2754
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:28,560
or three pads out back. Well, the HOA

2755
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:30,960
said, "No, you can't do that." Um, they

2756
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:33,040
can do that. It's, you know, these might

2757
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:34,800
be pass,

2758
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:37,679
you know, I I would warn a belt that,

2759
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:40,639
you know, you know, it's you're

2760
02:06:40,639 --> 02:06:43,920
threading on thin ground.

2761
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:46,400
There there might be a need to identify

2762
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:49,199
a level. Yeah. Like if you're dealing

2763
02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:52,400
with a junkyard or health hazard. Yeah.

2764
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:54,960
Um, you know, just what that is, right?

2765
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,199
Need to be more clearly defined. I mean

2766
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:06,880
that that happened years ago and with a body shop too. He had cars and he moved out of state went down south

2767
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,840
because he said I couldn't operate

2768
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:21,109
in this town. So

2769
02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:23,920
Janette Rogue discussion it's a good job

2770
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:26,719
Ryan. Thank you Ryan. Thank you. All

2771
02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:29,199
right. Thank you. Good night. Good

2772
02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:32,870
night.

2773
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:34,960
This is a divorce

2774
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:36,719
road. Yeah, I brought this up. The folks

2775
02:07:36,719 --> 02:07:39,280
on Janess Road have trouble getting

2776
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,520
packages because ever since the name was

2777
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:44,000
changed from Schoolhouse Road to Genesis

2778
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:45,760
Road

2779
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:54,870
GPS and nobody can get deliver

2780
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:57,040
um and and another resident on the road

2781
02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:01,440
had told me that and confirmed it. It's a very similar situation to Stokes

2782
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:04,560
Road where the GPS

2783
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:06,560
sent people in the wrong place and and

2784
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:09,520
no nothing could change it. So the folks

2785
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,360
on that road came to the board and asked

2786
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:14,159
the board to change the name. I don't

2787
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:16,560
think that solved the problem. So I was

2788
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:17,920
just wondering would the board be

2789
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,480
considering would it consider changing

2790
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:22,079
the name of Jennis Road back to

2791
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:23,760
Schoolhouse Road so people can get their

2792
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,360
deliveries?

2793
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:27,040
I know it was your mom that asked to

2794
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:29,199
have it changed to Janess Road and I

2795
02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:31,840
don't remember the reason why but it was

2796
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,800
originally intended to be Janess Road.

2797
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:36,719
Pardon? Was your mom who had asked to

2798
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:40,000
have it changed? I I think I don't

2799
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:41,760
recall that she was the person who asked

2800
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:43,280
to have it changed, but I think it was

2801
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:45,840
changed because Weathersfield has two

2802
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:47,760
schoolhouse roads and it was changed at

2803
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:50,560
the at the time of 911. Maybe she was

2804
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:52,079
the one that said that their name was

2805
02:08:52,079 --> 02:08:55,280
originally intended to be the first as

2806
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:56,719
to change it. They were the first

2807
02:08:56,719 --> 02:08:59,040
residents of that room. But it is true.

2808
02:08:59,040 --> 02:09:03,199
GPS can't find can't find it. UPS can't

2809
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:06,400
find it and the ambulance can't find it.

2810
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:10,000
Um FedEx can't find it. UPS they can't

2811
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:11,679
nobody can find it. So what you have to

2812
02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:15,679
do is give them um the Windsor zip code

2813
02:09:15,679 --> 02:09:17,679
because if you get your mail delivered

2814
02:09:17,679 --> 02:09:20,719
at home

2815
02:09:20,719 --> 02:09:23,760
Yeah. But the but the house numbers

2816
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:25,840
don't make any sense. My my parents

2817
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:29,440
house is either 54 or 186 depending on

2818
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:31,280
what you're looking at because I think

2819
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:35,040
we figured out that when the name was

2820
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:38,159
changed for 911, the numbers weren't

2821
02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:39,599
changed but the numbers don't make

2822
02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:42,079
sense. Anyway, no one can find no one

2823
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:46,719
can apologize, right? So, I was asked if

2824
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:48,960
I would do something about it and I

2825
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:50,639
thought I'd bring it up to the board.

2826
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:53,840
Okay, good to know. Um, I know we don't

2827
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:55,760
have anything to do with 911 numbering,

2828
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,480
but we do we can have a say in the name

2829
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:00,159
of the road. It used to be called

2830
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:01,599
Schoolhouse Road. You could just put

2831
02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:04,639
back to school. Well, but if you have

2832
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:06,480
another road that's schoolhouse road,

2833
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:10,719
like Patty said, schoolhouse road isn't

2834
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:12,320
um

2835
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:17,109
schoolhouse road. Yes, but it's got

2836
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:19,119
school. You have you have as road, you

2837
02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:20,880
have grout road. Yeah, you have to

2838
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:22,079
schoolhouse road against schoolhouse

2839
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:23,679
road. Okay, it's not the same. All

2840
02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:28,159
right, solves that question. But going up the hill is schoolhouse road

2841
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:31,119
and it used to be all the way but but

2842
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:33,360
now it's up the road is schoolhouse road

2843
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:34,960
and

2844
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:37,840
that leg is Jenna road. Um but it always

2845
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:39,679
was called school and Springfield's got

2846
02:10:39,679 --> 02:10:42,159
that above the uh fire station. You when

2847
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:44,800
you head up the hill and you turn out

2848
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:47,119
it's it's like one and then and then

2849
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:49,360
when you turn right it turns to Wilson.

2850
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,440
But you don't see. Everybody says they

2851
02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:53,280
live on Wilson, which is you got like

2852
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:55,760
this little section that to get there.

2853
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:57,599
No, you can never find it. There is a

2854
02:10:57,599 --> 02:10:59,119
little sign that says Jennis Road. But

2855
02:10:59,119 --> 02:11:00,639
if you're somewhere else and you're

2856
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:02,639
trying to find it, it doesn't show up

2857
02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:04,880
correctly on GPS. But and the ambulance

2858
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:06,800
has even gone to the wrong house because

2859
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:08,480
of the numbering system being screwed

2860
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:12,000
up. But is there not a way to update the

2861
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:15,440
GPS? I mean, didn't Spring was chain a

2862
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:17,920
whole bunch of I mean, road names. We

2863
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:19,520
had the same problem. Carly road. I

2864
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:20,960
think that was another one that was a

2865
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:23,119
problem. It's just impossible. What do

2866
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:24,719
we do with that? I mean, I don't think

2867
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:26,960
it is.

2868
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:30,079
Google and GPS and all those mapping. I

2869
02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:32,159
won't make a joke about any golfs, but

2870
02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:36,880
um uh it seems like there probably is a

2871
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:39,440
process for registered road. I mean,

2872
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:40,960
we're not the only town that has changed

2873
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,040
names. Your solution might be the

2874
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:45,920
easiest. Our solution. I have no idea.

2875
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:48,880
According to the books on George there

2876
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:53,840
was but somehow or other people if you if

2877
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:57,040
you type in Jennis road 05030

2878
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,920
you won't get you have to type it in as

2879
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:02,960
05089 because it's registered in Windsor

2880
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:05,119
because the mail comes through right

2881
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:07,679
just like you have to type in

2882
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:09,280
Springfield to get to it even though

2883
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:13,520
it's in field we have five

2884
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,599
yeah and some wins there are some people

2885
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:18,079
live in Weathersfield and Springfield.

2886
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:20,079
So, this is a federal government issue.

2887
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:23,599
I have a Windsor adder.

2888
02:12:23,599 --> 02:12:25,760
You want to say you change the name of

2889
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:27,760
the back schoolhouse? Isn't it still

2890
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:29,840
going to have the same zip code? It will

2891
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:31,360
still come from Windsor. That's why I

2892
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:33,199
want I want to research it. Um, I'll

2893
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:34,400
give you guys an update at the next

2894
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,159
meeting. Thank you. You're welcome. I

2895
02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:38,560
can say I brought it out.

2896
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:41,119
I fulfilled the promise. Thank you so

2897
02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:42,159
much.

2898
02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:44,400
agenda. Did you say you wanted to add to

2899
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:46,480
this, RA?

2900
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:48,960
Um, under future agenda items. That's

2901
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:52,719
where we are. Yes. Okay. Um,

2902
02:12:52,719 --> 02:12:54,719
uh, questions have been raised lately

2903
02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:56,719
about whatever became the wastewater

2904
02:12:56,719 --> 02:13:00,159
feasibility study for Perkinsville. So,

2905
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:02,480
we haven't heard anything from that from

2906
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:04,800
a long, long time.

2907
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:08,639
Um, and in a conversation the other day,

2908
02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:11,599
I don't even remember who I was talking

2909
02:13:11,599 --> 02:13:15,119
with now. Uh, but we were talking about

2910
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:17,360
how things get communicated in this town

2911
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:19,599
and how hard it is to communicate stuff

2912
02:13:19,599 --> 02:13:22,239
in this town. And the question arose,

2913
02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:25,199
would it be possible to have I guess

2914
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:29,040
they're called sandwich boards?

2915
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,360
Yeah, I know. You know, we have one here

2916
02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:33,440
about the dogs and the taxes in front of

2917
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:35,760
the town hall, but could would it be

2918
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,719
possible to have sandwich boards for

2919
02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:41,760
important meetings or hearings or things

2920
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:48,480
like that? That could be for example at Downers at where Weathersfield Center

2921
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:52,639
Road comes into 131 where

2922
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:55,920
you know in the scutney at the dump of

2923
02:13:55,920 --> 02:14:00,229
the sorry transfer station

2924
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:03,040
you know a couple of key places where

2925
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:07,040
people tend to go

2926
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:10,159
um just so there's more visibility and

2927
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:11,840
you know because not everybody reads

2928
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:15,119
front porch forum. Not everybody is on

2929
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:18,000
Facebook. Um we I think we just need to

2930
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:20,960
find as many ways to communicate and get

2931
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:23,920
the word out as possible. When I was at

2932
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:26,000
town manager day, actually that and

2933
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:28,560
direct mail were were deemed like the

2934
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,960
most effective at getting the word out.

2935
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,840
Yeah. Yeah. The question the question

2936
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:35,679
become on the sandwich boards becomes

2937
02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:37,599
who's who's going to main table. Yeah.

2938
02:14:37,599 --> 02:14:40,079
Right. Right.

2939
02:14:40,079 --> 02:14:46,229
growing digital signs.

2940
02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:48,079
The only one of those town right up that

2941
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:50,480
state right away was the general

2942
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:52,719
everything else state.

2943
02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:55,119
you come to us. And the other question

2944
02:14:55,119 --> 02:14:58,079
was whether in in at the Perkinsville

2945
02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:01,920
post office there is a bulletin board

2946
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:04,000
where we post they're both public

2947
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:05,679
there's a public notice board and

2948
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:08,880
there's a town notice board but they're

2949
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,040
at the if you come in the front door and

2950
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:13,199
most people in fact park around the back

2951
02:15:13,199 --> 02:15:15,840
side of the building never see they

2952
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:18,320
never see it are totally unaware that

2953
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:21,440
there's a sideboard. So I just and I

2954
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,599
don't have no idea what it's like over

2955
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:26,400
here in at the Escotty post office. What

2956
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:29,040
I just heard is lock the back door.

2957
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:33,910
Yeah, we we cannot post

2958
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:36,880
we can't post at the post offices. They

2959
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:39,679
do that.

2960
02:15:39,679 --> 02:15:41,920
Yeah. The only reason we're allowed to

2961
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:44,400
in Burtonville is because that area is

2962
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:46,159
actually not controlled by the post

2963
02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:50,079
office. So in in li of uh posting at the

2964
02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:52,000
Scotty post office now we're posting at

2965
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:54,400
the library.

2966
02:15:54,400 --> 02:15:56,560
Oh interesting at Martin Hall and then

2967
02:15:56,560 --> 02:16:00,400
at the middle post office building.

2968
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:02,079
Yeah. Isn't it interesting that we pay

2969
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:05,119
for all of that and we can't use it? I

2970
02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:06,960
mean if it's a government building it's

2971
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:09,360
taxpayers dollars. Yeah. Which makes

2972
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:12,960
that us. Yeah. I I do pay my taxes. We

2973
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:15,119
went back and forth. I think you were on

2974
02:16:15,119 --> 02:16:17,040
the board actually. I think both Kelly

2975
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:18,719
and Mike were on the board at that time.

2976
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:22,639
Yeah. And I Yeah, I remember. Yeah.

2977
02:16:22,639 --> 02:16:24,960
Legal. Well, I've had people gotten

2978
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:27,199
fired from the postal department for

2979
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:28,400
putting stuff up that they're not

2980
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:33,270
supposed

2981
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:36,559
to say. That's a good thing.

2982
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:38,719
So, I know a lot about So, we're not

2983
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:40,240
supposed to mention that politics might

2984
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:43,439
have worked its way into that. So, no.

2985
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:48,709
I'm sure it did.

2986
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:52,639
Yeah, a second. Um, also for future

2987
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:58,080
agenda items. Sorry, we have um some

2988
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:01,280
I put out something is why I said that.

2989
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:04,399
Job performance for Brandon. Oh, yes.

2990
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:07,200
There's some paperwork here. No, you

2991
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:11,110
don't get one.

2992
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:14,160
Yes. So, I didn't know. You guys might

2993
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:15,760
want to look at these. These are

2994
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:18,800
something that Brandon printed. Also,

2995
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:20,960
this is what we use for all kinds. Yes,

2996
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:23,359
we do it. Should I do a good job? Yes or

2997
02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:27,270
no?

2998
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:30,160
When I was looking at it this weekend, I

2999
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:32,000
um

3000
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:36,800
I I want to know I got questions I want

3001
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:38,559
to have an answer. So, I don't know if

3002
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:44,319
anyone else has questions like um

3003
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:47,040
I want to know what are your goal or

3004
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:49,439
goals for the coming year and how do you

3005
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:52,800
plan to achieve them? Um

3006
02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:54,960
what support or resources do you need to

3007
02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:57,120
enhance your performance?

3008
02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:59,760
I know that he's got a lot on his plate

3009
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:02,800
of stuff that

3010
02:18:02,800 --> 02:18:05,280
is consuming his time and upstairs in

3011
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:08,559
the office that shouldn't be. So, I I

3012
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:10,160
just think that there's a lot of

3013
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:12,080
questions that maybe someone may have

3014
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:14,559
that they might want to ask him during

3015
02:18:14,559 --> 02:18:16,240
this performance. I don't know if they

3016
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:20,719
want to ask him prior to the meeting so

3017
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:25,599
that he can have time to get answers.

3018
02:18:25,599 --> 02:18:28,880
Do questions of what kind of support do

3019
02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:31,679
you need actually fit into an evaluation

3020
02:18:31,679 --> 02:18:33,760
of a person's

3021
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,319
probably not performance? That that's

3022
02:18:36,319 --> 02:18:37,840
the the first question. What was the

3023
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:39,679
verdict and that one I didn't seem so

3024
02:18:39,679 --> 02:18:41,920
bad. What is your goal or goals for for

3025
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:43,439
the coming year and how do you plan to

3026
02:18:43,439 --> 02:18:45,120
achieve that? Well, it does have other

3027
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:47,439
goals in here.

3028
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:50,000
This factor will measure other areas

3029
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:51,439
that are applicable to the employee

3030
02:18:51,439 --> 02:18:52,559
performance.

3031
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:54,080
The only thing I worry about, Kelly, is

3032
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:55,920
you give them too much open-ended. It's

3033
02:18:55,920 --> 02:19:00,709
going to be 12 pages.

3034
02:19:00,719 --> 02:19:03,200
Do we have Do we actually have a copy of

3035
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:05,120
your job description? Is there a job

3036
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,359
description? It's a It's a contract. I

3037
02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:10,319
can get a copy of the contract. Yeah.

3038
02:19:10,319 --> 02:19:11,840
Yeah. That should be that should

3039
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:14,719
be with this. I actually I do agree that

3040
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:17,359
I think it this is just this is just a

3041
02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:19,359
check mark thingy. This is not even

3042
02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:20,880
asking questions. Well, it is in the

3043
02:19:20,880 --> 02:19:23,280
back, but I do I do agree asking what

3044
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:25,840
kind of supports to that you can be more

3045
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:27,920
successful in. I mean, it's something in

3046
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:31,040
my role like that is something I ask

3047
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:35,280
folks when we do evaluations.

3048
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:38,080
Kelly, so the way that Can I have that

3049
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:40,479
puppy? Yeah. So, this is the one that we

3050
02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:42,800
use for all time employees and you

3051
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:44,479
actually

3052
02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:46,399
you you check it and then you write

3053
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:49,600
underneath it as well. Oh, okay. So what

3054
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:52,000
we typically do is we we check one of

3055
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:54,640
these four boxes and then we write a a

3056
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:56,240
paragraph

3057
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:58,560
that correlates to their to their job.

3058
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:02,469
So

3059
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:05,600
one would not know that by leaving it

3060
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:07,920
provided the comment. I have two members

3061
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,960
asked for you to tell us what you need.

3062
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:12,880
So I'm comfortable you writing it down

3063
02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:16,950
and giving it to us.

3064
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:21,270
How are you?

3065
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:24,240
manifesto.

3066
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:25,760
So, if you guys want to just look

3067
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:28,160
through this for our next meeting and

3068
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:29,840
then we can discuss it then if that's

3069
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:31,920
all right with you guys. You don't want

3070
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:36,080
us to do it and hand it in. I don't Can

3071
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:38,880
you Yeah, you can hand it in and and

3072
02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:40,960
then uh you kind of go over it and then

3073
02:20:40,960 --> 02:20:42,479
call a meeting for us to come together

3074
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:44,080
and uh figure out what we're going to do

3075
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:46,720
with it before you sit down with him and

3076
02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:49,920
tell him what we said. Okay.

3077
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:52,319
With the red season. I'm I'm pretty

3078
02:20:52,319 --> 02:20:56,240
blunt so he knows.

3079
02:20:56,240 --> 02:20:58,479
This is just something that you uh that

3080
02:20:58,479 --> 02:20:59,840
we signed that needs to go in your

3081
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:02,399
folder. Oh, did we advertise it? because

3082
02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:06,000
I was we should do

3083
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,080
the mud.

3084
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:15,190
It just needs to go in your folder.

3085
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:16,800
So, is that what you guys want to do?

3086
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:19,439
Fill this out and hand it in? No. No,

3087
02:21:19,439 --> 02:21:23,200
not yet. No, not tonight.

3088
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:30,469
I want to see the contract. I copy

3089
02:21:30,479 --> 02:21:33,990
that. I have it.

3090
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:36,560
Okay. Appointments. There's no

3091
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:38,160
appointments.

3092
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,640
Any other business? Well, do we have did

3093
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,320
we have one thing?

3094
02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:45,439
[Music]

3095
02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:48,000
That was just underneath when your file

3096
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:52,080
goes. Oh. Oh.

3097
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:55,040
Got it.

3098
02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:57,359
Any other business?

3099
02:21:57,359 --> 02:22:00,880
Nobody on the board? No other business.

3100
02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:05,030
approve the warrant.

3101
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,120
Thank you, R.

3102
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:10,000
I'll see you tomorrow.

3103
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:12,080
Make a motion to approve the warrant.

3104
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:15,359
General fund 15,000 uh payroll

3105
02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:18,389
$15,431.92.

3106
02:22:18,399 --> 02:22:20,600
Operating expenses $78,23452.

3107
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:23,280
[Music]

3108
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:28,230
Highway payroll $10,13.93.

3109
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:32,479
Operating expenses $4,138.74.

3110
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:35,800
Solid waste payroll $2,191.34.

3111
02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:38,479
[Music]

3112
02:22:38,479 --> 02:22:42,640
Operating expenses $4,7159.

3113
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:45,450
Library payroll $2,399.74.

3114
02:22:45,450 --> 02:22:49,910
[Music]

3115
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:53,280
LB project $64.80.

3116
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:57,990
What is that? Um

3117
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:00,560
second that till after grand totals

3118
02:23:00,560 --> 02:23:04,550
payroll $30,126.93

3119
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:06,810
operating expenses $86,5965

3120
02:23:06,810 --> 02:23:11,510
[Music]

3121
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:17,359
discussion little scutney bridge project

3122
02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:19,439
we couldn't fit the whole thing there so

3123
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:21,520
we had to

3124
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:23,200
what was this those missing bolts or

3125
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:27,670
something was for advertising

3126
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:31,990
or something.

3127
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:37,910
No, there's some truth to what I said.

3128
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:43,429
I'm sure it was taken care of.

3129
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:46,479
I have no questions on

3130
02:23:46,479 --> 02:23:48,240
I just got I just got one quick

3131
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:50,479
question. What is the credential

3132
02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:54,319
retirement? Who gets that?

3133
02:23:54,319 --> 02:23:56,479
It's on page

3134
02:23:56,479 --> 02:23:58,240
five of five of the payroll for the

3135
02:23:58,240 --> 02:24:10,790
general fund.

3136
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:12,560
$215

3137
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:15,760
for two people

3138
02:24:15,760 --> 02:24:18,000
or twice

3139
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:19,680
or the same person twice. Yeah, that's

3140
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:21,920
right. Oh, it is two different pay

3141
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:25,590
dates.

3142
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:27,840
I'm pretty sure I I know this. Do you

3143
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,160
mind if I still giving you the answer at

3144
02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:31,920
the next meeting? Yeah. Okay. I'm just

3145
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:33,600
curious. I just don't remember seeing

3146
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:36,240
that before.

3147
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:39,840
That's all I had for questions.

3148
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,720
Any other questions?

3149
02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:48,070
All those in favor? Any extensions?

3150
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:49,760
Carries.

3151
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:52,800
Motion to adjurnn. So move

3152
02:24:52,800 --> 02:25:02,990
second second. Journ 8:56 p.m. in favor.

3153
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:14,309
[Music]

3154
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:19,770
Heat. Heat.

3155
02:25:19,780 --> 02:25:32,719
[Music]