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If it bill passes, you're going to use
you're going to use the higher rate.

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And if it doesn't pass, you're going to
use the higher valuation and the lower

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rate.
Right? You're still just get to 20

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minutes.
Yeah.

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Sorry, nobody paying up.

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I think this is I'm surprised this

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When is your When do you have to sign
the budget?

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» Budget not first.
>> It has to pass before.

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» Yeah.
>> Or it doesn't and then you then you If

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it doesn't If it dies in committee, it
says it's in the

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referred referred to the Committee on
State and Local Government

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Rules and Calendar and Operations of the
House.

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» Okay, welcome to June 8th
Town Council regular workshop meeting

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regarding the budget.
Uh meeting come to order.

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Uh
at this point in time,

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I'll turn things over to Town Manager
Harris.

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» Mr. Mayor, Council, as we were just
having a

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little discussion prior to the meeting
on Senate Bill 889.

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Um the county has adopted their budget
as presented. Um as we discussed at

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previous budget workshop, we've got two
different tax rates depending on what

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this bill does.
Um we have talked with some lobbyists

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and one of their recommendations down
there as well as that that any hurricane

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or tropical storm Helene impacted area
uh be excused from this bill

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um due to
especially with Buncombe County what

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they're saying
um in the bill is that it would only

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delay it by 1 year. But the county's
already been on delay by 2 years if they

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would go that not just one year.
Um, so that's one of the reasons that we

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were pushing for the lobbyists on that
aspect. And so right now again it's

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still moving one side of the floor to
the other. Um, it still has not passed.

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But that was kind of the latest update
on it of where we are looking at that.

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Um, moving along to your proposed
budgets

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um, and for discussion and any type of
um, adoption possible adoption we'll go

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over some of the highlights from it.
Um, on your general fund

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um, 10,932,421

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um, your fire fund 5,113,557

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um, the water fund 4,279,970

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for a total of 20,325,948.

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Um,
again that's with a 32 cent tax rate.

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Um, reval after the reval process
um,

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some notable added items in in the
budget from previous discussions

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full-time positions were added at one HR
position, uh, one part-time finance

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front office position up front two
police officers, one maintenance tech

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and one of water treatment plant
operator.

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Um, we have a 3% cola cost of living
allowance in there. Our health insurance

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increase of 8%. Vehicles and equipment
added um, four patrol vehicles um, two

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for the police department, two public
works vehicles for Ford F-150 um, one

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swap loader um,
message board and arrow board with

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public works, light tower replacement,
security cameras, drone for PD, safety

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equipment and fire department and rescue
equipment. Uh, water meter replacement

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and the capital funding projects uh,
water line replacement, the water

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treatment plant chloroquine pond
installation,

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backup generator at the High Bluff tank,
stormwater improvements, playground

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resurfacing,
uh the fire department salaries for

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recruit-able wages.
Um they would did finalize um our

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portion of the county's um fire fund
from that, and it came in at uh

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$2,970,755

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on that aspect. Um PD salaries increased
for pay parity,

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uh retention holiday bonuses,
uh public works living wage, Main Street

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lighted holiday tree, IT services
increased,

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uh water engineering services, policy
amendments of 2% 401k contribution with

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matching up to 6%, increased paid
paternity leave uh from 2 weeks to 4

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weeks, and increased staffing um annual
leave from

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uh 2 weeks to four 2 weeks to three
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That is the highlights of um the budget
that we reviewed and had a public

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hearing on in several public
discussions. Comments, I'm glad to

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answer any questions or more detail if
you want some more detail on the

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highlights or talk to you about the
water fund aspect and and the fire fund

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if you need those.

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» Yes, I I have a comment. Uh
I'd like to refer um council to

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manager's budget memo of April 13th.
Uh page nine.

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Um and and again, these are probably
trivial numbers uh to you, but um

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uh
manager Harris uh is uh telling me that

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the
um outside agency stipends that the town

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is offering uh to the WBA,
uh to senior meals in WeDAC, are still

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in the budget.
Um what I'd like to point out is um

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uh the WBA will see a $1,000 increase
from historical.

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I think senior meals is probably going
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increase in theirs, which was I think
5,000 unless higher than that.

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» It was six last year as well.
>> Was it six? Okay. WEDC has been cut

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from five to two and I'd like to
actually make a motion to council that

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we level those stipends all to 6,000.
If that's agreeable to you.

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The Economic Development Committee
basically has two

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significant projects running now. One is
hotel

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recruit recruitment and
evaluation. The other has to do

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with forming a new newcomers
organization

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that's going to
actually draw upon our 10 real estate

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project approvals.
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my request to you basically is that we
essentially level those all at six.

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» So raising WEDC $4,000?
>> Correct.

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» Leaving the others the same.
>> Correct.

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» Because last year you got 5,000, is that
right?

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» Yep.
>> Okay.

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» What was the I
Sorry, the the when you first started

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there was a you said there was a $1,000
increase to the WBA and then also a

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a cost increase to Meals on Wheels.
>> That was to the senior meal side.

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» Senior meal side.
>> So Tanya was WBA 6,000 last year?

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» It was 5,000.
>> Oh, okay.

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» It's historically been 5,000.
>> Yeah.

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So
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recommendation to council basically is
we just level them all at six.

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» I'm fine with that.
>> So,

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any discussion about that?
>> Do we need to make a motion?

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» If you want to do that.
>> I made I made the motion.

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» No, you made the motion.
>> I made the motion. So, we have a motion

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on the table. All those in favor say I.
>> I.

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» Opposed?
I is carried.

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» Thank you, council.

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» Any other discussion on the budget
piece?

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Or water fund or fire fund?
>> Maybe walk us through the fire fund and

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the uniform tax rate and how that
affects the town a little bit, just for

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a refresher.
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Um the county has adopted a single wide
tax district, which was I think the tax

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rate ended up being 11.97.
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district, we were 12.27. So, that kind
of equates it out to um

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Then you submit your budget to the
county. They determine what funding

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um you receive and every department
every department

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um for and to include our North Buncombe
district has to submit to the county

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itself.
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Again this year, the funding came back
at two 2,970,755

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um for a cost share of roughly 57.43
split with the county's portion 57%

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um and ours is 43% on that aspect. So,
moving forward, they're starting to

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uh formalize some plans with the with
the contract and we'll be bringing you a

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contract at the June 22nd meeting for
you to review um with that aspect cuz

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ours is a little different than the the
incorporated boards department for some

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of the things that they were requiring
in the contract as far as insurance with

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our league insurance. There'll be some
different verbage that has to be in

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there for that aspect. So

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» Scotty, do we have any idea yet about
the capital projects from the county for

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the fire department?
>> Um any capital pro- I mean

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it'll be just part of the budget process
that they will submit every year. Um

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it'll be a cost share for our our aspect
from municipal.

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» So the cost share would be 57%.
Is that it?

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» That is this year's.
>> This year's.

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» Yes.
>> So was there money put in that for

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property for a new fire department?
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it moved it basically for the county it
was listed in there as part of the

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capital projects. We submit them a
10-year capital improvement plan. But on

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ours it was zeroed out for land purchase
because they would be it would be taken

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on as debt services and no payment would
be to a next fiscal year.

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» I see.
>> So that's why I say the yes and no. So

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it was factored in there but if we do
find land to purchase we had already

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talked with the with the lenders um
since we're having to finance the fire

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trucks and they said that it would
payment wouldn't be due to a next fiscal

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year.
>> Okay. So if by chance we were to find

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some property for a new fire department
and we found it in September, just

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picking a day,
then we anticipate the county will help

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supplement that.
>> Yes, I mean that's part of the the

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process. I mean it's
And that's the other reason when they're

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doing this contract they're looking at
um time distance response and putting 22

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people on the scene cuz they're going to
evaluate that as with your mutual aid

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responses, where does the station
placement location need to be and what

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is the likelihood of staffing and
different different metrics in there and

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that's that's what they're trying to run
the data on that aspect.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes, ma'am.

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Any other questions on fire fund or
water fund?

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» No.
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» adopt and the only change is the $4,000
additional.

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I mean, Jennifer can speak more of this,
but I believe we could go ahead and

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adopt based on that one change. It would
come out of fund balance, so your fund

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balance would increase by 4,000 and the
governing body

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um
expenditures would increase by 4,000.

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» There is something I want to change on
fee schedule. I don't know if I need to

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wait for that or if that goes into this
discussion, too.

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» That'll be the next item.
>> So, if y'all are ready to vote on that,

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exactly what Ms. Osgerby said is you can
make a motion to adopt um the general

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fund and fire fund budget
with the change with a the add of 4,000

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to Weed Act, adding that to your fund
balance appropriation, and the water

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fund as presented.

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» And there is a suggestion or recommended
motion. Do you back it up?

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» Before we get Can I just ask one just
real general question in this regarding

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the the new positions and just um
just for my knowledge, is this Are these

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positions to catch up with like former
growth of the town or is it kind of more

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eyeing towards the future and and
looking to just add that capacity

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sooner rather than later?
>> I would say it's a combination of both.

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I mean, especially with the with the HR
position, we're getting close to a 100

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personnel on staff right now and don't
have a true dedicated HR person and

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three or four people have been picking
up that responsibilities. Um as far as

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the police department side, I mean, it's
you we're doing two this

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um this year or asking for two in there
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and basically in police department uh
one position

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what four equates to one, basically,
because um what these positions going to

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do, they're going to start out working
traffic and work a split shift, um but

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technically they would be four positions
with four shifts. Um Um, but we're

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trying to to maintain control of that
aspect as far as, um, not going too far

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into it and still have adequate
staffing. So, those two officers

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initially would work traffic and work a
split shift, so they're kind of working

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with both shifts day and night. They
might work out 10:00 to 10:00, 12:00 to

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12:00, something like that. So, it's
kind of flexed out. Um, your um,

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part-time position,
um, it's needed up front to help

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distribute some of the workflow uh, with
our staff up there like this week, um,

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one's been on vacation, so you're kind
of short. So, if you had a part-time

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position, it kind of equates to three
people being there all the time. Our

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water treatment plant with the growth
and expansion that's occurring there,

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um, last year we were fortunate to add
two positions and still for the safety

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aspect out there of it being not a
totally 24/7 operation, but there are a

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lot of days that it is 24 hours and it
gives that safety aspect of two people

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uh, assigned to shift out there.
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» All right.
>> Thanks.

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» So, would anybody like to make a motion
to adopt

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what we've been discussing?
>> I'll be glad to make a motion. I move to

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adopt the fiscal year 2026-2027 budget
ordinance for the general fund and

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special revenue fund with a change of
the $4,000 we discussed for weed act and

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also the budget ordinance for the water
and public enterprise fund.

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» All those in favor, say aye.
>> Aye.

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» Aye.
>> Opposed?

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» I'm opposed and it's because I don't
believe in a cola raises and I mentioned

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that at the beginning of this process,
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my I know my vote doesn't matter, but
I'm voting no.

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» Thank you very much.

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Miss Jackson, you want to do the
fee schedules?

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» Schedules to do what again? again.
>> Um, I'm going to do that from here if

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that's okay, since the lectern is not is
not set up. Can you hear me okay?

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Um, I'm not going to spend too

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much time on this, but but to tell you
as part of the budget process every year

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we do take a look at your fee schedules.
That is a is a revenue source, not a

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very large one, but it is revenue on the
general fund and fire fund. It is the

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revenue source or the primary revenue
source on the water fund side. Um, so

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you've got two two fee schedule
ordinances.

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Uh, the general fund and fire fund.
I'm just going to go through real

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briefly the the changes and they're
they're highlighted in your packets so

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you can kind of it's not word for word,
but but the the the changes are the

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areas where we we
made some tweaks or or or

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highlighted. Uh, we are going to note
that the parade entry fees will support

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community programming and events.
We are as you know the the United States

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has gone away from the penny.
That has some fairly significant changes

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to some of our operations and so this is
the first year that we really had to to

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deal with that. You're going to see
general statements in both both of these

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fee schedule ordinances that talk about
rounding. It's a symmetrical rounding.

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Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down
uh, to get us to

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either a
within a nickel.

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Um, so that we can can do that. Some
places are doing that only for cash

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transactions. Because of our financial
system, we have to do it across the

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board and we can't say if if cash then
this amount.

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So you're going to see some rounding
for the some copying charges. We've also

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noted some of our our records records
requests we had to outsource if it's

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really large maps and so we've got
actual uh covered there.

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We've had a more detailed hourly um
charges noted for public works equipment

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and an increase in the hourly fee for
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from 30 to 35. I think council member
Young is actually proposing or maybe

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proposing to to send that to 45.
>> Yes, so I

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put it at everybody's seat, a copy of
the expenses for the WBA events.

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And I did it per event and it's per
police department and the and per public

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works department. And the total that
that the town offered in support of the

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WBA events were 18,825.86.

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So, if I look at the public work cost,
most of their costs are going to be

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overtime.
So, I don't believe that $35 is going to

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be enough since it's overtime costs, I'd
rather increase the public works fees to

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$45
instead of $35. And that's on page

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18, I believe it is.
So, if we could just change that $35 to

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$45, that would help compensate for the
overtime fees that they use

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for these events.
So, I'll make a motion that we change

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that fee schedule to $45.
>> You want to wait You want to wait until

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do do that in a minute or you want to do
that in a separate item?

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» You're driving the boat, I'll do
whatever you

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» Okay.
Um hold that thought.

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We've got some amendments to the fire
code violation section just to to fully

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comply with North Carolina law on
tampering.

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Uh that's a whole hour discussion that I
won't take up your time tonight, but

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that's very complicated.
Um we've got some notes on that fees for

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the zoning map amendments and text
amendments are for citizen initiated or

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requested amendments.
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You're not going to charge yourself if
if you decide that you want an

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amendment, we wanted to make sure that
that that clarification is in there. Uh

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we have made a note that subdivision
fees must comply with North Carolina

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law. They do. Uh the law though does uh
require you actually in a couple

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instances, if you're going to make
changes, you've got to have public

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comment periods and public hearings.
There were no changes to in the

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subdivision area this this year. Um so
so that didn't get triggered, but we

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want to make a note so we remember that
we've got some procedure to to handle if

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if we do talk start talking about that.
Um Kirby Curbside Management uh is your

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recycling uh contractor, and that's a
pass-through, and you've got a contract

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in place right now uh that does call for
a CPI increase, uh which was uh 2.1, I

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think, percent. And so it went from
$3.65

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per month to $3.73.
That's been very very typical. And then

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the symmetrical rounding that I talked
about a minute ago,

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um and then on the water side,
um we did uh

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um
some increases to your seasonal

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disconnect and reconnect fees. Those are
the citizen requested. Those are

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our summer homes or winter homes um
uh to to disconnect. Uh we've got some

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notes that meter rechecks and reread
fees are only going to apply if the

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meter is operational, meaning a citizen
calls and and they say, "I've got a

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crazy water bill. It It can you come
check my meter?" If that meter is

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operating, then they're going to be
charged the operating correctly, they're

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going to be charged the meter fee. If
the meter is not operating correctly,

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that means there's a a mechanical
failure, and so they will not be charged

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that meter fee. That uh re- re- recheck
fee.

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Uh Uh got some increases to some flow
test fees on the fire system. We've got

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some renaming um
of disconnect reconnect fees to

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non-payment processing fee.
Um we've got the the same ads that we

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did in the the general fund and fire
fund, we've got in the water fund as

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well for the public works equipment and
personnel.

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So, this we will need to make sure that
we add that we increase uh there as

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well.
>> Before you turn the page, just out of

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curiosity,
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so, when we go check a meter, how much
how much does it actually ta- cost the

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town to do?
>> Um

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» Well, I don't I don't know how you do
it. So, the question is this is So, I

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I doubt 25's enough.
Why would we Go ahead.

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» We do a lot of rereads anyway, upwards
of 40 to 50 each month.

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So, if if the customer's water bill is
extremely large, we look what it were

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the prior month, if something catches
our eye, we'll send them out anyway. So,

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this would be if a customer if we didn't
flag it,

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» Right.
>> and and we couldn't explain it to the

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customer and they insisted and they
wanted it anyway, this is a way for us

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to charge.
>> No, I'm in favor of charging.

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By the time I get in my truck, I drive
to the house and do it. So, you're we're

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saying there's nothing wrong, the
customer's saying, "Nah, we want instant

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video replay."
And you lose your time out if you're

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wrong. So, that's all. I mean,
>> It's just adding one more

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» Yeah, I mean, I'd charge 50 bucks for it
minimum, but I'd I'd I'd want to know

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what it costs. What would it cost us in
gas, time? Does one guy go? Does two guy

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go? But
>> I think this was this was an area where

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public works actually advocated for a
higher change than what's reflected, but

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it was going to jump from jump really to
a really much higher. And so we felt

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like maybe doing that incrementally
might be a better better play.

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» I bet you it cost you 100 bucks to go do
one.

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» At least.
>> Right. Because it's not just their

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hourly rate. It's what they call what
they what do we pay for?

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So, sure.
All right. Leave it alone.

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» that one again.
>> Yeah.

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» Maybe we should set it to 50.
>> No, I I'm fine with them doing what they

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want, but I I'm in favor of setting it
to what it cost the town to do.

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But you you know, if they're driving
around doing them anyways, but if

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somebody says
Yeah, or they go come out today, darn

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it, stop everything you're doing.
Okay, we'll do that and if we're wrong,

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you don't pay anything, right? If it's
our fault, they don't pay anything is

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what I heard, right?
But if you're filling your pool and you

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forgot you were filling your pool and
you wasted our money, then you should

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pay what what it costs.
So, I'm not I don't I'm saying what

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I couldn't say jump to 50.
Until I know what it costs.

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That's all that's my only recommendation
is charge when something like that just

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charge what it costs, but
you're already down the road pretty far.

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Maybe consider that for next year.
I'm in favor of user taxes.

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» We will We will certainly make that
note.

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Um we've got some changes to the meter
tampering charges to

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changing the name of that to interfering
with water appliances or meters and also

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making some other amendments in order to
comply with North Carolina law. Uh we've

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got a negligent reckless damage to water
system. This is your frontier

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um hit hitting doing their work and
hitting our lines. Uh we try to work

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with them, but when it's repetitive, um
that's a that becomes a problem. So So

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we want to make sure that that's in the
fee schedule to to handle those.

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» Okay.
>> Uh we've got we've simplified the bulk

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water purchase
um

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down to uh
uh

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essentially $50 per
What is it?

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» 25.

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» Is it
25 per 500 or what?

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Yeah, 50. Before it was a little more
complicated uh than that. So, we've got

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that. Yeah, $25 per 500 500 gallons and
and making a making a note that we're

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only going to be selling in 500 gallon
increments.

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Um
>> Mhm.

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Mhm.
>> So, in all the locations we have to

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determined
is that just based on the incident and

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not so much a a flat fee that we're
establishing for this?

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» For the negligent reckless
damage

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» Yep.
>> Yeah, that's based on a cost basis.

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» Mhm.
>> So, it we can't really it's not it's not

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effective to put a put a fee in there.
So, we just cuz it just depends.

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Uh there's a widely varying
uh

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uh cost.
>> Sure. Yeah, it could what written

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very much greatly so. Okay, thank you.
>> So, they just go to a cost cost plus 10.

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» Mhm.
Yeah.

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» Um under your emergency water rate, we
do uh

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that is that is cost of production plus
10% and um

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Randall has calculated that the the
current cost of production is $6.75

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per thousand gallons. And so, when you
add that 10% on on you get the emergency

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water rate in in there.
Um that is available to essentially

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right now Marcel and they were to have
an emergency, that's how we would sell

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sell them water. 10% really is more of
of an administrative type type fee to

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get that started, but but
we felt like that was a a reasonable way

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to to sell water to our neighbors.
Um, it adds a relocation of an existing

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tap. It adds some sidewalk cut cut and
repair fees. It amends the application

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fee to capture some administrative time
and handling those requests.

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Um, it does note that the the irrigation
and fire line connections are exempt

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from water system development fees.
We've got had some questions

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um, over the last year.
Last year was the first year we

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implemented irrigation um, irrigation
line connections and those those uh,

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fees and found that we really needed
some clarification on that to to not cuz

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those
those system development fees are

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expensive. They're $2,750
per residential tap and so that's a lot

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of money to to pay on top of a domestic
domestic line.

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Um,
increase this is the big one the the

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domestic water rates
5% increase and this is per the water

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study that was done
2 years ago.

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Um, keeping trying to keep on track with
that. It's possible

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um, Tanya, you may remember. I don't
know that we did the full 5% 2 years

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ago. I know we did it last year. So,
we're we may be just a little bit behind

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where they where they thought we would
be, but we're we're pretty close.

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Um, it does consolidate irrigation rates
into one rate. Last year we did a a

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residential rate and a commercial rate
and decided that that didn't really make

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make sense and so that's that's now one
rate. It does increase some fireline

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testing, and then it it notes that
consumption off of a water line, I'm

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sorry, off of a fireline that is as a
result of a

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a leak,
as long as they get it fixed quickly

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within 30 days, they're not going to be
charged that thousand dollar consumption

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consumption fee.
Uh for me, I'm going to come to you here

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just a second. Fire meters are
different, I've I've learned. They don't

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they they're not volumetric. They're
they're not they're they're not

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calculating how much water is passing
through a fireline.

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All they're all they're doing is it's a
detection meter. It's detecting flow.

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And so when you've got when you
we we learned that this is a a risk of

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folks um stealing water.
Um most of the time that's not an issue,

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but we have had some some folks cuz it's
not metered, we can't say we we you now

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owe us this amount of money because
you've used X amount of gallons of water

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cuz we can't calculate that. And so that
fee is actually we want that that flow

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to be available for emergency purposes
and not

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not somebody trying to get sneaky with
things.

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Yes, sir.
>> Yeah, I was just curious uh with respect

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to irrigation taps, uh it is you know in
in comparison to our subscriber base,

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uh it it is that um
is it really low or is it growing

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uh or are more people requesting
irrigation than than in the past?

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» Well, yes, because we haven't had them
in the past. So, this is kind of a new

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program. It's it's something that we
have in in the past said we don't have

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irrigation meters, you're going to have
to connect to your your hose your

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domestic uh domestic meter.
So, it is growing um

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uh
and I would I would absolutely expect

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that it will continue to grow. The nice
thing about the irrigation meters are

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that, um, when you get into a drought
situation and you're into your your

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your water shortage, uh, response plan,
it does distinguish between the first

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thing that's cut off is irrigation.
>> Uh, okay.

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» So, so having those having knowing who's
got irrigation meters is very helpful to

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us because we can then communicate with
them to say, uh, to make sure that that

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they're complying with the water
shortage

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um, plan.
>> Thank you.

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00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:31,800
» Uh, last last thing I'll note, it just
like with the general, uh, the general

426
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,800
fee schedule is the the penny shortage.

427
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:42,600
If there are no questions, then one of
the motion that the motion, if you wish

428
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:47,560
to entertain it, is to adopt both of
these both of these fee schedule

429
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,880
ordinances with the amendment to
increase the, uh, public works hourly

430
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,240
rate to $45.
>> Yes.

431
00:31:54,640 --> 00:32:02,600
I've got a just a question regarding,
um, on page 17,

432
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:06,000
in the like in the permit fees, there's
a

433
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:10,000
it says town sponsored event.
And then on page 18,

434
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,600
uh,
the hourly charges for equipment

435
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,720
personnel,
um,

436
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,600
uh,
hourly charges are for special event

437
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:23,200
permits unless town sponsored or
supported.

438
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:26,080
So, is is town sponsored and town
supported, are those two different

439
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,640
classifications?
>> For for clarification on that, what what

440
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:33,080
you're referring to like the fire fees
and air supervisors, different things.

441
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,360
Um,
if somebody wanted a have a fireworks

442
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,280
show at a wedding,
um, they would have to provide we would

443
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:44,640
provide service there for be an
apparatus or personnel on standby. So,

444
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,960
that's now a town not a town sponsored
event. So, they would basically be

445
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,600
contracting to provide personnel staff
for that.

446
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,720
» Right. But, I guess I'm seeing two terms
for sponsored or supported and I'm

447
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,280
wondering if those are two different
classifications.

448
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,720
» Yeah, I think that they are they are I
think that

449
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,320
we've got to we've got our own events
that we put on.

450
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:09,160
So, we've got
we sometimes do special event permits.

451
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:14,760
We did one for the music in the park. We
do one for 4th of July. Um so, those

452
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:21,480
we're not going to charge ourselves for
4th of July. Now, WBA events, those we

453
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:28,080
we have in the past considered those
town supported, not sponsored. And so,

454
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,800
there's a little bit of a if y'all have
um

455
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:35,840
uh we we sort of taken town council's
lead and if you want us to to to help

456
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:42,000
with some of these events that the WBA
is putting on for the community, we have

457
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:45,000
uh considered our our staff time as
support supporting.

458
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,840
» Okay.
No, that's that's help- that's helpful.

459
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:53,080
That's the kind of I was leading into
that the WBA discussion we've been

460
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:58,520
having regarding that is if if if that
would fall under this sponsored or

461
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:01,760
supported category.
I just yeah, advocate for just uh you

462
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:07,240
know,
clarity in language or whatever

463
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,600
» And I think town council is in a great
position to have some of those

464
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:15,600
conversations and if there are there are
events that we are supporting

465
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:20,879
in with our man hours that you don't
wish us to, you just need to be clear

466
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:27,879
with us what those expectations are or
or any limitations that you want

467
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:33,320
» So, with WBA events for example, we uh
sponsored 18,000 825.

468
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,600
» Well, that's see that's that's under the
the rate fee

469
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480
» So, we're not charging them
>> does not support it.

470
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:42,760
» So, we're not charging them for this,
but this is how much we supported them

471
00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:46,240
with man hours.
>> Well,

472
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:50,399
that that rate is how much if we if it
was not a town supported

473
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:54,919
project, how much we would have billed
them.

474
00:34:51,600 --> 00:35:01,080
But, the actual cost is less than the
personnel cost of a non-supported event.

475
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:06,000
» I'm not following.
>> The actual rate, like in Angela's

476
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:07,960
breakdown, she had what the actual
actual costs were.

477
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,200
» Mhm.
>> And

478
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,800
» Which is
this is your actual cost.

479
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:19,680
» It was less than the the 65 for a police
and 35 for the

480
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,440
» Well, it's it's probably more than 35
because most of this was overtime.

481
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,280
So, that's why I want to increase the
fee schedule for public works because

482
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,520
most of these hours that public works
put into this these events were overtime

483
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,520
charges, and that's why I'd like to see
it increased to $45 instead of $35.

484
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,240
Now,
>> But, this fee but that wouldn't apply to

485
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,360
this.
>> Well, it would.

486
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,160
» The the increase wouldn't because this
these WTBA events are are town

487
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,320
sponsored.
>> Correct. So,

488
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:50,520
one thing that I'm thinking is we're
already giving them $6,000 in the stop

489
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:55,680
end.
And we're providing $18,800

490
00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:00,680
in support for an event.
But, do we need to cap the amount that

491
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,960
we are supporting them?
I mean, put it at $20,000, and if they

492
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,960
go over $20,000, then they have to pay
for it.

493
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,000
» I think that's a discussion for a later
date. We're talking about

494
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,680
» I think we're I think we've gone we're
way off the rails. We were talking about

495
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,400
water rates.
>> Yeah.

496
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000
» All right.
>> And we're talking about fee schedule.

497
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,080
» Well, we're talking about fee schedule,
but we were talking about whether there

498
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:25,560
was a motion going to be on the floor
about whether we were going to do the

499
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:31,800
two separate motions.
One for uh the fee um

500
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Let's see, for the general fund and one
for the fire fund.

501
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,160
» So, we already did that one.
>> We already did that one.

502
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,120
» Right?
>> I don't recall that we did that.

503
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,800
» We just
>> There was there was

504
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,800
There was somebody that said, "I'd like
to start this." And then we got off on

505
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:54,120
track. So, I'd like to go back and
revisit this. Do we want to do this

506
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:59,160
and do them both at the same time,
which we can do. Right, uh Jennifer?

507
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,920
» Uh yes. So, if you're you're talking
about the motion for this fee schedule,

508
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:08,000
it could you could take them separately
or you could take them together. Both I

509
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:14,160
think both changes that that Council
Member Young had had suggested, they're

510
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:19,680
they would be equally in both fee
schedules. And so, you could do one

511
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:26,440
motion to um to adopt the fee schedule
ordinances with the the change from of

512
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:29,880
the public works uh from 35 to 45. You
could do that as one motion.

513
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,120
» Okay. I would I would like to get this
off the table if we could. If somebody

514
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,640
would make that motion.
>> Okay.

515
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,240
» All right. I'll I'll make that.
>> Okay. We have a motion

516
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,120
uh for the fee schedules for general and
fire fund to

517
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,040
bind those together.
>> And and water.

518
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,440
» And water.
>> And water.

519
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,440
» And water.
So, all in favor?

520
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:52,880
» Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
>> Opposed?

521
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,880
Motion carries. Thank you very much.

522
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:03,040
» Sorry to interrupt, Mr. Mayor. I just
had to clarify on the

523
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:07,200
ordinance adoption of the water fund.
Council Member Nagle, were you a

524
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,880
negative or a Were you
for that?

525
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:14,680
» That's one motion.
That was one motion and I did note that

526
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:19,480
Council Member Nagle was a no.
>> for the

527
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:23,000
water fund? Yes. Is that correct?
>> I was a no for the budget.

528
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,280
» For the bud- for the budget ordinance.
>> Yeah.

529
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,320
» For general fund and fire fund, you are
a nay.

530
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,960
» Right.
>> And then for the water fund, you

531
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,400
» Yes. Sorry.
>> Thank you.

532
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,920
» Thank you.
I wasn't clear.

533
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,880
» It was one It was one motion. Are you
>> Yeah.

534
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:42,320
Trying to group things together. Sound
like Washington D.C.

535
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:53,000
» All right, back to you, Mr. Harris.
>> All right, on your pay plan um

536
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:57,280
we we don't have it ready tonight for
adoption, so we'll go over some

537
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:02,520
highlights. Um
on your pay plan uh for a

538
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,520
they're still under under development,
not quite ready. I'm looking at the base

539
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,920
markets
um and based off of town council's

540
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:15,480
consensus and direction with the living
wage, the recruit wages and pay parity,

541
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,640
uh the 3% cola, and the newly created HR
position added in there, so we had to

542
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:23,120
get some um
comparisons from other HR positions and

543
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,040
municipalities alike. Um we're
separating out the pay plans from fire

544
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,640
and police departments um as they would
be most impacted by job competition. Um

545
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:36,560
and when you make increases at the
entry-level, um trying to separate out

546
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,520
so we don't create so much compression.
Um

547
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:43,040
so we're looking at our mid-range and
our top end on those as we do the the

548
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:47,240
adjustments for our entry levels. Um we
just want to ensure that we're creating

549
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,160
a career ladder in there um with the
some organizational structure looking at

550
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:54,040
that.
Um so one example on that is adjusting a

551
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,960
supervisor position um out of the water
treatment plant to accommodate positions

552
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,600
um that were anticipated out there over
the last 2 years. Um so again, we'll be

553
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,360
reviewing those for market adjustments,
and we'll have that to you at your June

554
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,360
22nd meeting for your pay plan to be
adopted that night.

555
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,840
Moving along to your policy adjustments.

556
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,920
When you go through this, if you're
following along, when you notice that

557
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,920
the end of it, you know, on each policy
that I talk about where it says policy

558
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,880
page 29, I know it can get a little
confusing, but that is the the page

559
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:38,400
number out of the policy itself, not the
policy number and or the page number for

560
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,800
your packet.
But some changes that were made to the

561
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,680
to the policies in itself, personnel
policy, minor changes to workplace

562
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:51,560
violence prevention section,
which is on the policy page 29, increase

563
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,480
annual leave to a minimum of 3 weeks for
all employees,

564
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,720
clarifies annual leave provision
regarding negative leave balance and

565
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:03,720
payment upon separation, clarifies sick
leave provisions regarding negative

566
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:08,880
leave balance and notices of use of sick
leave, modifies provisions concerning

567
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:12,960
maternity and paternity leave and
increased paid sick leave,

568
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,840
modified
Let me get the 4 weeks there, expanding

569
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:21,720
that.
Adds automatic 401K contributions and

570
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:26,920
funded with the budgets. Adds definition
of retaliation to the harassment policy,

571
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:31,000
makes minor changes in harassment
complaint procedures, clarifies the

572
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:35,040
disciplinary action that can be taken
based on the severity of situation.

573
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Harassment policy procedures that adds
definition of retaliation, makes minor

574
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:45,320
changes in that complaint procedures,
and clarifies the disciplinary action

575
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:51,120
for our workplace violence policy. Adds
a definition of retaliation, notes that

576
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:55,000
disciplinary action should be
congruent and the severity of violation,

577
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,800
requires that all complaints must be
submitted to the human resource officer,

578
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,880
grievance policy procedures up states
the manager's name as a contact with

579
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,360
general grievances on the policy.
The attached proposed amendments have

580
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,520
been drafted and are proposed for
adoption. A resolution for the purpose

581
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,880
is attached for your consideration and
action.

582
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:21,160
We can get a motion for um a resolution
to adopt it. No one has questions on the

583
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:26,760
policies or attachments.
>> Scotty, quick quick question. Um

584
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:33,200
with with adoption of these policy
changes or or amendments, how is that

585
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,600
communicated to everybody? Is that
through department heads or

586
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,160
» Yeah, it goes back out and then they
have to they'll get a copy of what

587
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,720
changes have been made and each employee
has to sign off acknowledging they've

588
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,400
read the changes to the policy.
>> Got it.

589
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,760
No, I you know, I think I think
everything that I read is fine.

590
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:55,280
Um
and you know, my name is not Eustace. So

591
00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:00,680
uh
I I thought that was a good choice, too.

592
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,240
» How does somebody get a
You've highlighted employees are

593
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:08,400
expected to keep track of their leave
balance and are allowed to not allowed

594
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:10,400
to have a negative sick leave balance.
How would somebody get a negative sick

595
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,240
leave?
>> For example, if a brand new employee

596
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:18,600
started um and hasn't accumulated or
acquired enough sick hours and you for

597
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,360
that first month they were called out
sick, then they haven't

598
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:28,000
accumulated the base off the hours that
they accumulate through the process of

599
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:31,200
the payroll. I'm still confused.
>> So for me, maybe government works

600
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:34,280
different than private industry.
>> You don't get your balance up front.

601
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:39,280
It's automatically accumulated as you go
through the process. So if you're

602
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:42,880
accumulating 3.62 hours per pay period
and I'm at the fire department and I

603
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:47,040
take off 24 hours on my second or third
week or even that first month and call

604
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,480
out sick, I haven't accumulated enough
hours yet. So it would be a they they

605
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,040
would have to get approval from the
manager to go on leave or take on leave

606
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:59,320
unpaid leave.
>> So Scotty, what happens because I mean

607
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,840
Andrew and my
example or where we work

608
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,280
if somebody were to be discharged
because of absenteeism and they had a

609
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,560
negative sick leave, they actually owe
us the money back.

610
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,880
They have to pay it back. Is Is that the
same here?

611
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:17,320
» Yeah, I mean it would basically you put
the two-week notice. I mean we pay we

612
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,840
pay out a maximum of 240 hours. So, if
they don't have any of that then it you

613
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,960
know
>> So, what then happens? Do they have to

614
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,880
go into their pocket or do they just do
they just

615
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,800
» They leave leave without pay. Is it Is
there

616
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:32,600
» We don't pay out any sick leave. We pay
out annually and holiday leave. So, if

617
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,400
someone were to leave we would withhold
it from there.

618
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,200
» That's what I'm asking. That's what I'm
asking.

619
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,920
» And it all has to do with state
benefits.

620
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,840
Correct. It's all tied to state
benefits. I'm still confused. Maybe I'm

621
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:48,120
not asking my question right.
And maybe it has nothing to do with

622
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:51,280
anything. Somebody starts
and I start. So, on day one how much

623
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,760
sick days do I get?
>> Zero.

624
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:59,560
» Right. So, if I don't show up for work
tomorrow and I work 32 hours this week,

625
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:02,320
how many hours are on my paycheck?
>> If you work 32 it should be 32.

626
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,600
» Well
>> Right?

627
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,560
» No, I want to see I know what I do. I
want to see what they do.

628
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:12,040
» I mean they can request to go go into a
negative leave balance.

629
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,280
» But yes, so they got to get paid for 40
and owe us eight.

630
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,440
» And it's depending upon the
circumstances

631
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,640
in that aspect.
>> Never tried that.

632
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,640
Huh? Okay.
>> But then once that is that is

633
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,040
accumulated in there
>> Sure.

634
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,000
» they get back to it. So
>> Right. You would Yeah.

635
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,880
Okay.
>> You try it and let us know how it works

636
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,960
out.
>> It wouldn't.

637
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,040
If it doesn't work out in the real
world.

638
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:40,600
» get abused.
>> Yeah. Yes. So, you just start

639
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:44,000
and you go I want to dip into my reuse
PTO cuz we don't have it.

640
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,760
» for someone that just started now. It
has to be justified has to be approved

641
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,360
by town manager. And really it has to be
a good reason for it.

642
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,280
» Sure.
>> Someone that's been at work for a while

643
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,880
working hard they get COVID or they're
>> Right.

644
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:59,800
» have surgery or something.
>> It just sound like when you were

645
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,200
highlighting I'm like has this been Is
that the rule? Like or why are you

646
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,080
highlighting it?
>> Is there an option to do like leave

647
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,520
without pay? Like, let's say they do get
sick and they got to take a week.

648
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,000
» Yeah, if the manager doesn't approve
them to go into a negative leave

649
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,640
balance, then they have to take leave
without pay.

650
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:20,040
» So, quick question.
Do we have a

651
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,600
what what I would call an accounting
portal

652
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:28,960
where individuals can sort of look at
you know, here are the hours that I put

653
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:31,960
in my time card, here's the hours that I
classified as vacation, here's what I

654
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,960
have
>> We're in the process.

655
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,840
» Who?
>> our upgrades. One of our upgrades.

656
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,760
» One of their hiring an HR person.
>> Yeah, yeah, no, that's great.

657
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:45,440
» We're implementing it's called TimeClock
Plus where all your leave is is tracked.

658
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:49,280
You can see your leave balances. You
request your leave out of there, so you

659
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,240
can't request leave you don't have.
>> And

660
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:54,120
And Tony, what system is that going to
be?

661
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,480
» TimeClock Plus.
>> Okay, super. Yeah.

662
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,440
» If they want to print a pay stub again,
they can do that on their own.

663
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,800
Right, they get their W-2.
>> They get a link to log into it.

664
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:09,120
» That's a separate portal, but yes.
>> Oh, that makes a lot of sense.

665
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,120
» Thank you.

666
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:15,400
» Well, I'll I'll make the motion to move
the the adoption of the proposed

667
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,000
resolution which amends the town's
personnel policy, harassment policy and

668
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,800
procedures, workplace violence
prevention policy, and ratifies an

669
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:28,440
amendment to the grievance policy and
procedures made on May 18th, 2026.

670
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,600
Just to clarify, are we voting on one
thing or two things?

671
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Cuz I'm confused.
>> I'm doing the the suggested motion.

672
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:42,480
» So, the res- the resolution that's in
your packet does all of those things.

673
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:46,120
» On 32, it's it's all encompassing on
page 32.

674
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:50,240
» Did we talk about all that yet? Did I
Did I jump Did I jump the gun?

675
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,640
» No, I've been an
>> He was referring to his earlier

676
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,400
» I I was referring to myself voting no on
something I didn't know what I was

677
00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:00,600
voting. You do two
>> Just wanted to be clear if I'm bottom.

678
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:04,480
» All right, so we have a resolution of
amending the town's personnel policy.

679
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,320
To be approved.
All in favor say aye.

680
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:12,280
» Aye.
>> Opposed?

681
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,280
Motion carried. Thank you.

682
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,240
» So, Mayor, we're at number seven.

683
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:37,640
» Number seven is
further discussion and direction.

684
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:46,240
» So, I would like to make a a motion.
>> Okay.

685
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:49,600
» Um whenever we offer our services for
town events,

686
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:53,560
be it sponsored or supported whatever
the term may be,

687
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:58,240
we have not historically given an
accounting to the organization of which

688
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,280
we are supporting as to the cost of
those events.

689
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:05,600
So, for example,
this um spreadsheet that I did for you

690
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,960
guys, um
musical main event was a cost of 2,000

691
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:16,160
or 5,221.
And I would just like for us to give a

692
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:19,720
statement of what is projected while
we're planning these events,

693
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:24,560
and then another statement as to what
the actual cost of these events are.

694
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,920
It's It's hard for
an organization to know how much

695
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,680
something costs if we don't tell them
how much we're putting into it.

696
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:36,080
And for the sake of transparency, I
think we need to give them a statement

697
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,120
of the cost for each event for the man
hours

698
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,840
and or equipment that are used.
>> It's a brilliant idea because, again,

699
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,520
you relate things back to the private
world. If you're going to give away free

700
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,680
things, typically we would give them an
invoice and then

701
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,240
» And then no charge it.
>> Right.

702
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,600
» Right. You
>> something that I want to charge them

703
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,840
for.
>> No, I get it. No. No. It's a brilliant

704
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,160
idea.
>> To understand what the value is.

705
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,680
» Exactly.
>> Right. It's great. And we

706
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,640
» validated.
>> I want to be validated.

707
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,400
» Okay.
>> Yeah, I get it.

708
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:09,160
» I mean, we do we do this at work all the
time where we have an invoice and then

709
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,080
there is an overage, so we just do
professional discount and get it back in

710
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,000
line where it needs to be and then they
can see the full

711
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,200
» That's correct.
>> value of what was done on that project.

712
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,880
» Why don't we think of this sooner?

713
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,960
» Sir, did you make that in the form of a
motion?

714
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:32,760
» I'll make a motion that we give a
statement of accounting of the

715
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,800
anticipated charges up front during the
planning time and then an actual

716
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:41,280
accounting after the event as to the
actual cost that the town has provided

717
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,720
support for.
>> Before we vote, may I ask one quick

718
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,520
follow-up question?
>> Tanya, how and

719
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,800
how how much time
would this add to your job?

720
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,880
» It's not just me, it's the department
heads.

721
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,320
» Yeah. Okay.
>> So, there definitely would be an admin

722
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:03,600
cost. Just like preparing all these
costs for you, like so far, it costs all

723
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:07,920
of our time. So, yeah, we would want to
be mindful of how much time we spend,

724
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:11,120
but I think we could we could definitely
come up with an estimate. We don't have

725
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,640
to have actual, we could do an estimate.
We could have a

726
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,000
» You could base it on what you did last
year.

727
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,800
» Yes. And take an
an average salary, maybe not every Look

728
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,160
to see who's working which events. We
could We could have an average public

729
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,160
works salary
>> Or you got a fee schedule to go by.

730
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,320
» So, you can use that fee schedule.
>> We can use the fee schedule.

731
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:33,320
» So, it is So, it is a reasonable thing
for staff or for you to manage that.

732
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,920
» Okay.
>> Okay.

733
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:39,240
» Okay.
>> And I guess is there a need the need for

734
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:44,760
both the estimate and the actual or is
it really when you can have the actual?

735
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:49,160
» I think as events are being planned,
there may not be an awareness that oh,

736
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:52,760
we you charge for police protection for
this event and it could be a wedding. It

737
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,120
could be the fireworks. It could be
whatever.

738
00:51:53,960 --> 00:52:00,280
And I think it's only fair as we are
supporting these organizations or

739
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,880
weddings or whatever we're doing, that
this is how much we think it's going to

740
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,600
cost.
And so they have an idea, oh, I don't

741
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,480
want to spend $5,000 on a fire truck and
firemen to be there for fireworks at my

742
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,840
wedding.
But then you're going to get another

743
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,800
statement that says this is how much it
actually cost.

744
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,040
» Mhm.
>> Well, that would be the bill from the

745
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,960
from the town.
>> Yes.

746
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:22,440
» Yeah, but for WBA events, what you're
saying is, okay, so you're going to

747
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,920
estimate out
but it needs to be very clear that this

748
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,600
is not a bill.
>> Right, it's not a bill. It's just It's

749
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,960
just for them to be able to understand
the cost it is for their event.

750
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,800
» Yeah.
>> That they have to have an accounting of

751
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:40,520
all the costs in there.
>> And with Time Card Plus,

752
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,520
Tanya's going to give me a code and I'm
going to use it

753
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:48,360
to to book my hours and then she just
pushes

754
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:50,000
» Right, summary. Yeah.
I did

755
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,320
» Fill that in.
>> Yeah.

756
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:57,440
» You can do that simple.
>> So I I understand the there's probably a

757
00:52:55,720 --> 00:53:01,720
simplicity of just using the fee
schedule

758
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:05,880
um opposed to differentiating between
sponsored not sponsored

759
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,800
for the both the estimate and the act
and the actual cost.

760
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,520
» is fine.
>> Right.

761
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,840
» So we anticipate it's going to be five
employees at this many hours and then

762
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,160
you have a cost.
>> Yeah.

763
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:21,000
Okay, I was just thinking through if
there's any benefit to having more of a

764
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,160
closer to an actual cost for the
sponsored events.

765
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,440
Um and that's
for any any sponsored event.

766
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:31,840
Um cuz like for like 4th of July, will
we estimate

767
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,160
the cost of that based upon the fee
schedule?

768
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,280
» We're not doing that, that's our event.
>> That's our event.

769
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:40,120
» But we're still going to we're
summarizing these costs.

770
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,880
That I don't believe that's That's
Jennifer's talking about. I think this

771
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:48,120
is for third-party. I mean, you could do
that, sure. You could say

772
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,720
so we as town council know what a July
4th costs if you want that. But

773
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,360
you know, what
>> Yeah.

774
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,520
» What And And you know,
they do it. The fireworks going to cost

775
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,120
X and
>> Yeah, I I think it's like you get a

776
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,640
quote.
The quote is the estimated cost.

777
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,280
» Right.
>> And then you can compare that to what

778
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,280
your actual cost was
>> Yeah.

779
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,120
» how good your estimates were.
>> Well, I think it's

780
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,560
» Well, so
>> Agree. Totally agree.

781
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:18,600
» For example, like I asked Scotty when
we're having this discussion with WBA of

782
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:23,080
like, "What's What are the costs of the
the other town events that are like the

783
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:28,240
4th of July?" And so, if we were going
to receive that estimate

784
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:32,080
would it would we use the would we use
the the

785
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,480
the fee schedule for that or would we
try to calculate the actual?

786
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,280
Just for comparison.
>> Yeah, I I think that's one of those

787
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,880
things that you get to kind of get to
pick and choose what you want to do

788
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,120
given on what that particular event
might be.

789
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,040
» Mhm.
>> Is are you going to Is an estimate close

790
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,920
enough?
Or do we actually need to know what

791
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,520
actual is? And we're not going to know
actual until it's done.

792
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:56,760
» Yeah, so what it's for us. It's What
Jennifer said is correct. But they're

793
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,200
getting it free anyway, so they're going
to go

794
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,120
» Right.
>> I don't really care that you say it's

795
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,520
costing 80 grand.
>> Right.

796
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,880
» Thank you for doing it.
>> Yeah.

797
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:09,000
» And then we're going to go, "Wow, we're
spending a quarter million dollars of

798
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:12,000
town revenue to do free things that we
like

799
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,520
and free things that we like that other
people ask for." They're still the same

800
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:21,120
thing. Nobody You know, the town people
have said, "Do a July 4th." Okay. "Do a

801
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:25,360
Christmas parade." Okay. And then WBA
saying, "Do a Musical Main." At the end

802
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,760
of the day, Scotty and his department
head should know what these

803
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,480
free things for the town cost.
>> Right.

804
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:35,000
» Okay, quarter million bucks. Great.
>> Yeah.

805
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:40,240
» We go, "All right, we're spending
uh 8% of our budget on stuff to make

806
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:45,680
Weaverville a great place for people to
come to. And there is it no benefit, you

807
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,040
know, you can't drive it to the economy
and sales tax and all that. You just go,

808
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:53,640
"How much are we spending on having
parties in the town of Weaverville?"

809
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:57,960
Quarter million bucks. Great.
Is that good or bad? I don't know. This

810
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:01,240
is what it is, and I think that to your
point, I already said earlier, it's a

811
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,360
great idea to tell the customer, which
in this case is WBA, what it's costing

812
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,640
the town.
And to mark point, maybe we should know

813
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,640
what we're spending, too.
>> Yeah.

814
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,880
» Well, it's just for transparency's sake.
>> I think it's great.

815
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,760
» And my my point is just more the
clarification of what it actually costs

816
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,440
to what
>> I'd love to know what it actually costs.

817
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:24,040
» builds in builds in extra to where it's
above our actual cost.

818
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:29,320
» So, for example, and Chief Oberlin can
speak to this if if you have a question,

819
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:33,480
any employer in the county that a police
officer goes to work other than their

820
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:37,160
regular scheduled days, let's say they
pick up time to do security at the

821
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:41,280
church.
The cost of that

822
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:44,640
costs the county $65. Is that right?
Okay.

823
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:48,280
So, they charge $65 an hour.
Well, that's not the salary of that

824
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:52,000
police officer, but that's the cost of
the service.

825
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:55,800
So, that's where the fee schedule comes
into play.

826
00:56:53,320 --> 00:57:00,040
For us doing an event for the town, it
should be an actual event cost.

827
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,480
We're not I don't care what everybody
else costs. That's how much it actually

828
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:08,800
costs the town to do it.
>> So, I would advocate then since WBA or

829
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:13,280
town-sponsored events are in a similar
vein, that that should be the that

830
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:19,560
should be the number then as well. Not a
fee schedule that is never filled.

831
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,560
» I think it should be fee schedule.

832
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,400
» Maybe we should have
>> May I ask a question as well while we're

833
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,320
talking?
>> Please, ma'am.

834
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:37,200
» Um for clarity, I like that that's what
you're going for, Mr. Embry.

835
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:43,640
What do we classify as events? Would be
my next question. So, today

836
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:49,480
the third graders walked down Yost,
crossed Merriman, as we know, there's no

837
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:55,480
sidewalks to get to the lake. So, we had
to post officers

838
00:57:52,440 --> 00:58:00,600
to get them down Yost safely on both
sides of Merriman to shut the traffic

839
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:04,720
down on Lake Louise Drive to keep cars
from leaving the park and running them

840
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:10,840
over. That we did that to get them
there. We did that to get them back. We

841
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:16,480
serve meals at the schools.
So, in these cases, those events can be

842
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:22,200
handled by people that are on duty
barring some kind of call.

843
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:26,280
But, things like 4th of July are
overtime and folks that are working on a

844
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:29,840
day that they would normally be off or
working during the day when they would

845
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:34,680
normally be on at night.
If If you could, and I don't expect an

846
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:38,800
answer right now, but you're asking for
some of these things in the police as

847
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:43,840
you've seen I've put presentations out
of the events that we do everything from

848
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:48,120
going to churches and
and whatnot, Rotary Club meetings and

849
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,960
things. Are you know, is that an event
or is that a courtesy?

850
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,400
Is
>> Mhm.

851
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:59,240
» the police department working for the
school

852
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:04,400
a service or a billable hour?
>> I think if it

853
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:09,520
causes an additional staff and hours
outside their normal work duties, then I

854
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,520
think it's an event.

855
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:21,040
» I What I What I hear between the two of
you is a debate between

856
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:26,120
uh you know, actual cost versus cost
plus

857
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:30,920
uh you know, a premium of of you know,
what what we would call structural costs

858
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:38,800
that we may not be able to account for.
So, the fee schedule basically is an

859
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:43,920
estimate of rates that will cover
uh not not only our actual

860
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:48,480
hard dollar costs, but also an estimate
of the soft things that we're not

861
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:51,440
accounting for that are still basically
in the structure.

862
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:56,520
So,
I think the reason Jennifer is basically

863
00:59:53,400 --> 01:00:02,480
saying use fee schedule is that gives
the town basically some free board over

864
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,800
and above, you know, hard dollar actual
penny costs.

865
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,840
Uh
you know, that will will essentially

866
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:12,160
keep the town whole,
uh

867
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:17,640
you know, versus having to account for,
you know, down down to the minute and

868
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:22,760
» Mhm. So, so no money's changing hands.
All right, so we're we're

869
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,440
Yeah, we we talk about for next hour cuz
I got nowhere to go.

870
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,840
Um
It's it's good. So, again, go back to

871
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:33,000
the
real world.

872
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:36,480
We're going to add margin
to what it costs us to make a patch when

873
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:41,960
I'm giving it away for free. And I'm
going to say to the guy, "It's 250 bucks

874
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:46,560
and it's a free because we like you."
And then I say to the purchasing

875
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:50,720
department, "Make Andrew Nagel 100 of
those patches for me so I can hand them

876
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,320
out when I come to town council and
Jennifer Jackson always can have her

877
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:58,240
space patch."
I want to know

878
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,400
I want to know what it cost us to make
it.

879
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,960
» Mhm.
>> So, I do this all all the time. I go,

880
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:07,000
"What did it cost us?"
>> Mhm.

881
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:10,040
» Cuz I'm going to donate it.
Or and if I'm going to and then we'll

882
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,360
you know, we're I'm going to show them
the margin. If you had to buy it, what

883
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:17,160
would you pay? So,
July 4th in my mind is a town event. I'd

884
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:21,080
like to know what it cost us.
WVA events, I'm in total agreement with

885
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,800
Jennifer. What would we sell it for?
>> Mhm.

886
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,880
» You know, we need to make money because
even though we're not no money's

887
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:30,880
changing hands. For now, maybe one day
it will. We don't know. I know you're

888
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:34,440
saying this is for transparency, but I'm
in favor of, you know, use your taxes.

889
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,320
So,
maybe people should be paying us when

890
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:42,040
they want to have an event.
>> Mhm. I think it's important that there's

891
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:46,360
This would give a sense of proportion
for people that when they're planning to

892
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:50,480
have an event and come to town, and say,
"We'd like you to sponsor this event."

893
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:54,760
What's it What is it going to cost?
>> Right.

894
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:58,680
» Well, we have a fixed place to go now to
generate that number.

895
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,560
And it's it'll be consistent that way.
>> Correct.

896
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,760
» You have to be consistent from one to
the next.

897
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:06,480
» That's right.
>> But it does give a sense of proportion,

898
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:09,400
like, you know, right now WBA, this is
how much

899
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,200
the town is contributing.
>> Correct.

900
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,360
» In in services.
>> Correct.

901
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,880
» Right?
>> Correct.

902
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:18,160
» And they come back with a bigger plan
next year, and they expect kind of the

903
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,840
same thing.
>> Correct.

904
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,760
» Maybe not.
>> Right.

905
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,200
» You know, so I think it's important to
to be able to get some metrics around

906
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,040
it.
>> And the other thing is how much will

907
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,080
they have to go
buy that service from someone else?

908
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,720
» Exactly.
>> Which would include margin.

909
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,200
» Correct.
>> Right.

910
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:38,600
» So, let's just be clear to Chief
Oberlin, we want you to keep the third

911
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:42,800
graders safe.
Okay? I'm We're on the record. We We

912
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,600
didn't need to think about it. I know
you told us

913
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:50,920
we could think about it, but the press
does listen to the minutes. We are in

914
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:55,560
favor of not charging the third graders
to keep them safe.

915
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:58,560
» Not charging, but to document. I I guess
>> No, you don't need to document it.

916
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:02,760
» What what do you want us to document?
>> an event. That's keeping third graders

917
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:09,080
safe.
>> Should Should we let Tonya maybe present

918
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,760
us with a example
plan of

919
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,800
the the
estimated cost model, and then the

920
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,240
actual cost model that we can study and
say, "Is this the information we want or

921
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,760
not?
That is a reasonable for you to put

922
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:25,680
together enough
in a normal time frame, not an

923
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,760
exhausting time frame.
>> Then we're going to ask you what it will

924
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:32,480
cost. You tell us what it's going to
cost.

925
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:36,800
» Yeah, that was my original question.
How much more work does this put on

926
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,000
I mean, and should we then maybe be
charging an admin fee for doing that?

927
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,920
» Yeah.
>> Margin.

928
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:47,160
» It's like, "Okay, we're going to give
you $18,000 worth of service.

929
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:51,440
It's going to cost you $25 for us to do
the math."

930
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:55,640
That's fine. But I But I'd like to just
go on record here also to say that this

931
01:03:53,440 --> 01:04:00,040
number, thank you for compiling this
number, but this number does not fit me.

932
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:05,240
I think this is a very reasonable number
for what was brought into this town.

933
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:09,360
So, that is not something that I am
driving toward even with this increase

934
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:13,800
in transparency, which sometimes leads
to Now we have a basis for which to

935
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:19,760
change our policy next year to start
charging. I hope that doesn't happen.

936
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:24,600
» Right. And this this is not by any means
a method for me to charge WBA for these

937
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:28,480
events. It's just to make them aware
>> of how much the friendship

938
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,480
» the friendship is.

939
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:35,800
And so, with the fee schedule, it's just
easier accounting for the staff to say

940
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:40,920
it's $65 an hour for police officer and
it's $45 an hour for public works, and

941
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:44,720
that's easy math.
>> Yeah, so I I totally get that. I

942
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:49,960
I guess where I was getting back to We
just We just adopted this fee schedule,

943
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:53,320
and it you know, it it it again it's it
talks about sponsored or supported

944
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:59,920
um
uh and then I just just just trying to

945
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:04,200
get clarity and and clear binning of
what things are so that we can then come

946
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,800
up with our numbers and our
>> Some things continue to be a work in

947
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,160
progress.
>> Yes.

948
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:12,640
» Yes.
>> This has been very enlightening. Thank

949
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:17,040
you for putting that together.
>> So, there is a motion on the table.

950
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:19,920
» I was I was getting to that point.
>> I'm happy to try to restate it. If

951
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:24,920
» Please.
>> So, I've got a motion for the town to

952
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:30,080
provide statements to the WBA and others
for estimates of the cost of support of

953
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:36,200
town support of events for transparency
purposes and then a post event revision

954
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:40,160
with an actual accounting of costs
actually incurred so that they

955
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,720
understand the true cost of events.
>> Yes.

956
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,120
Thank you.
>> I have a

957
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:49,760
comment.
>> Sorry, based on based on an actual

958
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,360
accounting of costs based on the adopted
fee schedule.

959
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,960
» Correct.
>> Okay.

960
01:05:52,480 --> 01:06:00,120
» Before we make any
motion or vote, should we let Tanya come

961
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:04,720
back with a couple examples and models
on what she think she

962
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:10,160
can put together and let us review those
and then make a decision?

963
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,760
» I actually think this is good enough.
>> Okay.

964
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,320
» I do, too.
>> All right.

965
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,560
» All right.
>> Okay.

966
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,480
» I think it's a great start.
>> I don't want to oppose tonight.

967
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,680
» Mhm.
>> I don't have enough friends tonight.

968
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,800
» I might be overthinking it. I don't
know.

969
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,800
» So, so we have motion on the floor.
Uh all in favor say I.

970
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,200
» I.
>> I.

971
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:32,400
» All opposed?
>> He said I. He said I. He did.

972
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,080
» Thank you.
>> I might be overthinking it.

973
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,080
» Motion carries.

974
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,520
» Uh let's see. Where are we?
>> There's like more documentation to go.

975
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:46,960
» I hate to ask this question. Is there
any further discussion that we need to

976
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,160
have about anything we've done this
evening?

977
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,520
» Does everybody know what they're going
to pay in taxes?

978
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,960
Mark, I expect you to come to the next
I'll have the answer for you.

979
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:59,960
Since it's public record.
>> summarize it for everybody?

980
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:05,000
» Sure. I did that when you got your
revals. I contacted each of you and told

981
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:09,200
you which property went up. So, I'm a
I'm a I'm a sovereign nation. I don't

982
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:16,480
» You're not paying taxes?
>> I don't know. I have one quick update.

983
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:22,480
The the Urban 3
Consulting company basically has now

984
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:28,080
decided to kick off the economic
analysis for Weaverville on July 1.

985
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:32,040
And
you know, I think they have determined I

986
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,840
think I sent all of you the note. They
they've determined that

987
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:40,080
that's probably an effective start date
with with all the questions coming in

988
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:44,440
from
appraisals and and basically challenges

989
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:48,600
to appraisals.
So, they they think they're going to

990
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,600
have enough

991
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:55,400
data to start and they have specifically
requested

992
01:07:53,240 --> 01:08:02,200
a copy of the budget that we have
approved this this evening, which will

993
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:09,240
also be numerical input to the analysis.
The second quick update is the Ball

994
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,240
Crank

995
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:18,720
the Ball Crank Arcade at 115
is

996
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:23,279
going strong even without the lift grant
that would have covered our

997
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:29,600
town-sponsored pavilion.
It sounds like the building now is fully

998
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:35,560
sold out. And it's going to be
substantially directed to

999
01:08:32,839 --> 01:08:39,120
recreation and entertainment.
And

1000
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:46,160
Council Council member Young basically
is connecting investors also to Advent

1001
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:50,160
Health to explore
what I would call collaboration

1002
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:56,120
ideas
with with both the hospital and this now

1003
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:59,880
new recreation center.
So,

1004
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:04,160
the you know, all of the indicators are
still very positive for the town.

1005
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:08,240
» Thank you, Mayor.
>> You're welcome. Thank you very much.

1006
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:13,520
» Is there any further business to come
before council?

1007
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:16,839
None appearing,
the council is adjourned.