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I told you Christmas is coming around the corner. I didn't believe me. I'm telling you,

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it's super fast. Anyways, we're at 1000 Euston Street, Laredo, Texas. We're here at approximate

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time it's nine o'clock. The meeting starts at nine o'clock. The approximate time for

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us right now is nine o' three, so we're in good shape. We're going to go in and call

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this meeting to order, and we're going to have the office of the Marjita Miri Ciwata,

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our Webb County clerk, with roll call, please. Good morning, Judge Commissioners. Leslie

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on behalf of the Honorable Marjorie Ramirez Ibarra,

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Webb County Judge, Donald Tijerina.

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Present.

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Commissioner Jesse Gonzalez.

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Present.

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Commissioner Rosauro Oahui Tijerina.

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Present.

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Commissioner John C. Galo.

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Present.

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Commissioner Ricardo Jaime.

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Present.

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Thank you.

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There is a quorum.

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We're going to start.

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If we could all stand,

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we're going to ask Commissioner Gonzalez

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to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance speech.

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I'd like to speak to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God,

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individual or liberty and justice for all.

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Very good.

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Let's go ahead and get discussion

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and possible action for approval of bills, paper and monthly reports. We'll start

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as always with our treasurer, Mr. Mayor Raúl Reyes.

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Good morning, honorable judge and commissioners. Raúl Reyes, county treasurer

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for the record. Good morning. Judge and commissioners, this morning I have two

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items, the presentation of bills and disbursements and my monthly report for the month

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ending September 30th, 2025. This period for the bills and disbursements is from October 10th

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through October 23rd, 2025. You'll see there that we do have 267 checks ready to be printed

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and released for the payment of 492 invoices. That disbursement total, Judging Commissioners,

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is $3,432,522.86. We also have 136 electronic fund transfers ready to be processed for the

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payment of 446 invoices and that disbursement amount, Judge and Commissioners, is $1,968,405.56.

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As per general order released prior to today's meeting, we had 109 checks that represented

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the payment of 285 invoices.

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That disbursement total was $203,671 with 63 cents.

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And for electronic fund transfers, and that was the disbursement was $400.

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Not sure if you have any questions regarding this first portion.

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Questions?

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We'll move to approve the checks done by, I mean released by General Order and the pending

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ones.

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I second that.

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Motion seconds.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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We did have some special requests.

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We had four checks processed for the payment of 14 invoices.

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You'll notice there that they were request by departments.

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In the next slide you'll see there those requests and that totaled $36,917 with three cents which would need ratification.

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Very good. So moved to ratify those four checks.

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Second.

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Motion second, any opposed? Motion carries.

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And then we were notified last week on Friday of a retention for the Quad City fire station.

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It is pending auditor's approval, and it's one invoice, and that disbursement amount

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judging commissioners is $40,065. That would need also to be approved.

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I have a motion. I don't have a second.

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Second.

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Motion seconds, any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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And then the next item is for informational purposes only.

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You'll notice there for the pay period of October 3rd to October 16th,

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the total net wages, county contributions, and payroll deduction for that pay period

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was $5,715,425.56.

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Last but not least in this first portion of my presentation

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is the Casa Blanca Golf Course Requirement of Funds.

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The prior pay date of the 17th of October, the estimated amount was 45,000.

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The actual amount was $41,791 with 4 cents.

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For this upcoming pay date of the 31st, we're estimating once again $45,000.

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So move to approve the estimated payroll not to exceed 45,000.

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Second.

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Motion seconds.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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All right, and then the recap of the end of the fiscal year.

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This is the September 2025 monthly report, our cash and investment balance.

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We had $249,590,477 with 75 cents.

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Our investment portfolio was $74,987,260 with 68 cents.

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Our total portfolio was $324,577,738, with 43 cents.

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In terms of our interest rate of returns, you'll notice that, you know, rates have been stable.

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You'll notice that also within our cash and investment pools with Falcon, our weighted average is 3.1.

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One, our tax polls are doing significantly higher.

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That is a given.

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And of course, our investment portfolio, you'll notice there all of the weighted average for

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each of our tools that we have at our disposal.

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You also notice that for the month of September, the total interest earned was $755,935.

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$5. So year for the entire fiscal year was $9,769,739. Although you do notice also on

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that slide that the previous fiscal year was $11.2 million, rates were a lot higher during

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that fiscal year, more up in the fives this year. So we're still doing significantly

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well.

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file. In terms of our checks issued report, Judge and Commissioners, the total checks for

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accounts payable payroll and payroll liabilities during the month of September total $19,692,723

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with 49 cents. A full recap you'll find on page 16 of the monthly report that's also

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available online. Our sales tax revenue, we did exceed this month's budget by $81,674.

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The total revenue for a sales tax was $2,248,341. If you look at the detailed report on page

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page 18, you'll see that within the actual fiscal year, we were above budget $2,156,446,

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which was an increase of $1.3 from the previous fiscal year.

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In terms of our mixed beverage and tax revenue, as indicated on page 19, for September that

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that amount was $59,207.23. The total for the fiscal year 2425 was $701,126.39. All rents

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and leases have been paid. You'll notice a full detail on page 21 through page 27. Rent

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received of course the rents paid and leases paid. In terms of the permanent

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school fund as indicated on page 29 of the monthly report we did receive from

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highway 44 a hundred and thirteen thousand one hundred and thirty six

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dollars with forty five cents from highway 59 two thousand eight hundred and

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thirty dollars with fifty three cents that's in terms of royalty no damages

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is no hunting and grazing.

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So that amount was $115,966 with 98 cents.

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And then last but not least is our text mix parking lot.

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As you know, we have still had issues with the server.

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Rather than sending it back to Canada,

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we ended up just not sending it anymore

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because the court approved the new system.

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and we're hoping that we get that by next month to be fully operational. Nonetheless,

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we're still generating funds, right? So we did have $1,359 tickets paid. You'll see there that in

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terms of the ticket revenue, which was $6,844 plus the contract revenue, which was $2,100.

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That total revenue for the month of September was $8,944.

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For this fiscal year, granted it should have been more, but we had some months where the

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system was inoperable.

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That generated $57,042 with zero cents.

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Last fiscal year was $48,860.

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So we did $8,182 more this fiscal year than the previous.

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And as indicated in the email that I sent regarding the projections,

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We could hypothetically start seeing, with a new operational system, revenues anywhere

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between almost hitting $9,000 to $10,000 monthly.

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If you public don't know by now, we get really excited with parking lots.

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Maybe it's an indication that we should build more parking lots, I don't know.

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Judging commissioners, that's all I have this morning. Thank you so much.

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Motion to accept report. Second.

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Motion second. Any opposed?

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Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

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You'll have a blessed day.

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Thank you. Likewise.

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Mr. Petta, you can keep your seat.

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No, that's fine, sir.

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Are you sure?

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Yes.

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All right.

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Mr. Petta, come on up.

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He asked me if he could keep his seat and do the report from his seat.

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I said absolutely, and now he's walking up here.

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Thank you, Judge.

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Hope you're feeling better.

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I am feeling better.

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I am feeling better, but I need to follow up.

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He kicked the TV when he was watching the Cowboys this day.

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I always, for the record, Rafael Perez,

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Web County Auditors, Honorable Judge and Commissioner's Court,

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we did deliver the report on Friday morning,

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and it represents the whole year,

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and I do want to mention that the,

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Because of the audit, we still have to wait for invoices to come in in October, November,

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for all the funds.

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And of course, we matched, if there were revenues applicable to September, we're also going to

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recognize them.

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So the first set of funds is the Advolorant Funds, which are the General Fund, Rotem

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Bridge, and Dead Service, starting on page 3, Judge.

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I do want to emphasize that this is un-audited, but we're looking at revenues over expenditures

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$8,032,371.

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The next Avalorant Fund is on page 5, which is the Rotem Bridge Fund, and that one shows

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revenues over expenditures $1,776,996.

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dollars. The next one is a debt service fund used to pay all the county obligations, principal

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and interest. That one shows expenditures over revenues 159,262 but I do want to emphasize

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when I work with the tax assessor during the truth and taxation they always identify

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if we over collected or under collected and there's an adjustment in the formula and

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And for the last couple of years, we've been over-collecting, so that's how they compensate

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for the truth in taxation.

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We are expecting at least another $30,000 through November 30th, but it is not a problem.

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Moving on to the enterprise funds, the first one would be the Casa Blanca, where we

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We show the operating loss that represents expenditures or revenue, 481,153, and moving

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on to the water utility, page 17, that one.

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You don't mind, just real quick, for the public to know that 481,000, that's with

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all the improvements and everything else, is that correct?

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We segregated the improvements further down where you can see capital expenditures for

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$121,000.

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I have segregated them.

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So it is not included in the operation, but it's further disclosed in the bottom.

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And there, of course, there were significant increases to the golf course.

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Yes.

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Page 17, in reference to the water utility, where we have also an operating loss for expenses

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or revenue of $644,096.

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Moving on to the equity, especially because of the end of the year, I do want to emphasize

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on page 30, the first fund, 10-01 is your encumbrances.

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The last report, I believe we had 12 million, and it has gone down.

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The possibility of having invoices in October, November should reduce this amount for carryover

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for next year.

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But we do, as of September 30th, when we downloaded the report, we did have 10,582,821 dollars

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in encumbrances.

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Further down, I do want to reflect the

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Rotem Bridge where we do have encumbrances of $1,628,524, and on page 31, the big emphasis

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is the ARPA, the ARPA where we have to spend all our money by December 31st, 26th. That

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one shows encumbrances of $28,626,993. And that's something that I need to report every

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month for the only reason we have to liquidate all those encumbrances for the ARPA so we won't

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have to return any money.

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Moving on to the jail, skipping over to the jail, page 55, actually it's 53, I'm sorry

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I misquoted the page.

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The jail revenue was 113 percent over the estimated revenues and then on the expenditures

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are at 90%. I do want to point out on page 55, that's the page as to the number of U.S.

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Marshals, BOP, and the state prisoners. We are having a capacity of 90%. And the emphasis

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is that for the month of September, we had for inmates Billing 16. Just to point it

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out, it might be a trend that we will be reporting more in the next monthly report.

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As mentioned by the county treasurer, page 56, we are receiving more, we're above budget,

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and that was $2,156,449.

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On the next page, 57 is a summary of the general fund operating statement where you

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We can see the components of the enterprise, I'm sorry, of the encumbrances.

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How much is the operating expenditures, encumbrances, $2,165,578, and on capital expenditures, which

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will probably be most of the money that we're going to carry over, is $8,417,242.

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dollars. I do want to point out, Judge, on this page, Judge, just so you can see the

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budget was, the adopted budget exceeded the revenues by 21 million, but we're showing

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a profit for the general fund as of September 30th of 8 million. So we did not realize

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that loss that was in the budget. I do want to point that out.

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Well, it wasn't a loss, right? It was capital expenditures.

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It's capital expenditures, right?

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Have you had programmed how much in capital expenditures?

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Capital expenditures just with a 17 million five, yes.

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So really we've predicted a loss of four million.

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And when we do the government wide financial statements,

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which these are on the current resources,

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governmental fund, we have to show everything going out.

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When we do the government wide,

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will show a profit or a bigger fund balance on that particular statement. But that's a

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statement that is only for year-end audit, you know, for the year-end. Yeah.

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So we're going to end up net four, I guess. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And again, I should emphasize

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that that's a different statement. And we take out all the capital expenditures.

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but it's a set another set that we have to report moving

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on page 58 where we show

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the revenues at 106 103 percent road and bridge at 98 percent and on the debt

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service 99 percent and of course we're expecting revenues for the

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delinquent taxes for the next 60 days. Moving on to the internal audit reports for the fourth

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quarter, judged by statute, the county auditors required to report the monthly financial reports

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and the internal reports that we conduct. For the fourth quarter, we did have, we

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did review deposits, daily cash reports and cash counts, and we tested 11 departments

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And I'm going to go one by one on the departments that we did conduct a internal audit.

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The Casa Blanca, I do want to point out that this is a real core in finding and what we

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require is a supporting documentation for corrections and events.

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It's not consistently included.

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Supporting documentation to assist to reconcile the funds and review deposit so they can

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agree with sales. Moving on, when there are corrections, we respectfully request the reason

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why we have corrections. And on, let's see, on the third finding that the Department included

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reports of payments and scheduled charges for most of the events tested and the documentation

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was not consistent. Moving on to another finding for the golf course, the change fund had a

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shortage of $126.50. We are recommending that they replenish that change fund like they did

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some time ago. And so that's another finding. Moving on to the fairgrounds where it's similar

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Similar to the first finding, the supporting documentation needs to be consistent.

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For JP, Precinct 2, Place 2, it's in reference to the daily cash reports not coming in timely.

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And the only reason I mentioned this, this will impact the treasurer and myself in recording

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cash reports for the monthly report.

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So I need to point that out.

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Medical examiner, although I know that she's shorthanded currently, we're recommending

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And then once the staff is available, that they start having a mail log for all the receipts

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for all the 15 counties that she provides services for.

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Under the pre-trial services-

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Give me real quick.

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How many did you say?

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Excuse me.

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How many counties did you say?

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I believe there are 15 counties that she's doing.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Pre-trial services.

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services. The Tyler financial does have the credit card fees, but we're recommending that

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the pre-child services include the credit card fees also in Odyssey, so they'll be identical

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records. Moving on to the tax assessor, when we did our cash counts, they were short $600

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dollars for the only reason they couldn't get two lock boxes open and they're contacting

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the vendor so they can open up those two boxes.

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And so we just needed to point it out that it's short because we didn't have access to

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those two.

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Also in their receipts for the previous day, they had an overage of $736.25.

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and we're asking them to record them accordingly in that fashion.

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Ralph, I'm sorry.

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Yes, please.

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Is there any way you can do an analysis to see if it would just be better to go cashless and absorb the fee?

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And I would need to work with the credit card company to see that.

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And how much we're charging.

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I feel that when we did lower the charge, we are absorbing a little more of the expense.

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It should be, we need to come back and give you a report on that.

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Well, like I said, it's going to be whatever the credit card company is charging you, you

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know.

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Now, I understand they have gone up on their fees.

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You know, used to be, I think, VISA used to be in the 1.5, 1.7, 1.7 percent.

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I think they're up in the 2.9s or whatever, but again, I think it's the cost of doing business.

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You have no cash to deposit.

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You have no cash for these reports.

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I mean, obviously you're still going to generate a credit card report, but that's done by

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the machine.

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Does it for you?

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I think it's just a lot cleaner and safer, and like I said, it's the cost of doing

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business.

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We don't need to hire a lot of the other truck to come pick up the deposits and

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things that I. Yeah, yeah. We need to follow up on that just to see how we can at least have

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the recoup the expenditure and then to consider. Even if you don't recoup the expenditure it's

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a cost of doing business and you're saving money in the long run because you're not

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having the you're not having money sitting there and you're not having a potential

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loss, you're not having potential theft, and I think it just makes things cleaner.

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And Raúl Reyes, county treasurer for the record, commissioner, you're absolutely right.

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It is something that is worth looking into.

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However, I think the preliminary discussion should be with our depository because we do

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have a contract with them, and it's stipulated in our contract is they are the sole providers

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for credit card processing.

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Okay, well, let's talk to them and see if that maybe they can give us a better rate if we don't cash this thing. Absolutely

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Very good. Thank you. Thank you

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Moving on

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last year I initiated this closing departments pending responses for internal odd reports and

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for the current year we have a the

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the CSCD, the Adult Probation, Bending and Response, and we have the tax office that hasn't

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responded to our audit findings for 24.

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The following entries or the following on page 73, we do still have four former employees

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that owe money to the county, which is $9,311.

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dollars historical payments with the county clerk we are working with the

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county clerk the digital collections to identify those monies that belong to us

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and to the state it's an ongoing project line burger we've done a significant

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improvement where we're where we had meetings with them and now they're

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comparing the reports from the JPs versus there to reconcile and give us

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a right invoice amount. And then finally the internal audit report does a lot of assistance

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in reference to the JPs and the digital collections on a monthly basis. Judge, that concludes my

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reports unless there are any other questions. And we'll be following up on the, on that

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concept.

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I'll be filled better, my friend. Motion, second, any opposed? Motion carries. Thank

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Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. Okay, let's move on to Human Resource Rest

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Management,

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Monica Flores, please.

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Good morning, Judge Commissioners. Monica

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Flores, Human Resources. Today I have the Wage and Pace Scale Budget Amendment Report.

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For this past pay period, we had a total of 60,939.40 in reverted salaries. And we

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We had a total of 19,960 indiscretionary step changes.

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So there was a total transferred into the wage study of $41,033.80.

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Very good.

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Move to approve the evasion and pay scale amendments.

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By order.

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Second.

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Motion seconds.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, next we have public comment and we do.

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We have...

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I'm sorry.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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Yes, I apologize, we have our new director, my apologies.

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Good morning, good morning, Samantha Sanchez for this management.

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I wanted to inform the court that today is the first day of open enrollment.

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So we do have an open enrollment from October 27th through November 9th.

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This is the opportunity for all employees to update their information, to update benefits,

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to verify information for their dependents.

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We also have enrollment assistance, so employees that don't have access to a computer or need

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assistance with their open enrollment, we will have computers available.

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It is by appointment only, so they do have to call risk management to set up their appointment

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and somebody from benefits will be assisting them.

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Now we also have an open enrollment contest.

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So if you complete your open enrollment between October 27th and November 2nd, your

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their name will be entered into a raffle

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to win one of the prices listed,

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which is the walking pad, Fitbit, and gift cards.

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We have gift cards from $25 to $100.

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So all those employees that complete their open enrollment

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within the first week,

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their name will be entered into a raffle.

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And I have three benefits coordinators.

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Should you have any questions

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as far as your current options,

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please go ahead and reach out to them.

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And we'll be available to us for any calls. Thank you, Samantha. I'm so sorry that I failed to say that this is one of your first times coming up here

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in it. Yes

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Once I this has about 10 questions commissioner

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You're not nervous are you not at all

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Thank you, Samantha. Thank you. Great job. Great job

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Motion except report

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Okay, next now we go into public comment

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to which we have four of them. I'm going to go ahead and read them. And I'm sorry, I just

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I'm having a hard time with LC Hernandez. I think that's what it is. My apologies if

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I didn't get it and you get to state your name for the record. And by the way, if you

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don't mind, I'm just going to go ahead and tell you all you'll have three minutes and

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you could utilize your three minutes. The only thing that we cannot do for the public

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comment is we cannot engage. So this is your time and you guys hopefully

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Hopefully.

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You know, whatever you all want to say.

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Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. Hi, my name's Ylsa Hernandez. I'm the Texas

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regional organizer with the immigrant legal resource center and resident of

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precinct two. As an organizer who works with families directly, I'm deeply

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concerned about Web County entering in a 287G jail force, jail enforcement model

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agreement with ICE. Programs like this turn our local jail into part of the

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immigration system, putting pressure on our county staff and increasing fear in our communities.

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In the decades of 287G more often than not, ICE doesn't cover the real cost and the county

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would end up paying with local tax dollars, taking resources away from things families

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truly need like clean water, safe roads, services for our communities.

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Other counties have tried these programs and learned the hard way that it's expensive,

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in effective and hurts our community trust. A recent ACLU study in 2022 found that 65% of

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participating law enforcement agencies in Texas engaged in discriminatory practices. We deserve

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policies that keep our families safe and support it, not ones that separate us. And before moving

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forward, Webb County should be honest about the financial and human impact of this agreement.

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Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you.

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I'm looking for my clock. Did I lose my clock up here or what?

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You don't have one up there, though, don't you?

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Okay. I just, for some reason, Larry, did my clock disappear somewhere?

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Maybe, um...

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It's because Commissioner Duganina has a bunch of mess up here.

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Two boxes of peanuts.

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Alright, don't worry about it. We're at work right now. Thank you. Maximiliano Prado. I believe Prado.

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Good morning. Good morning. By the way, these agenda items that they're going off of is 17 C.

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Just for everybody tonight. 17 C. Yes. Thank you. You may proceed, sir.

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Alright. Good morning, Judge Tejirina. Good morning, sir.

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So commissioners, my name is Maximina Prado.

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I'm an organizer with the Lerator Immigrant Alliance

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and I'm a constituent of person number three.

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I'm here today to speak on agenda item 18C.

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We have some concerns with the possible approval

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of a memorandum of understanding

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with the Department of Homeland Security,

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Immigration and Conservation Enforcement,

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also known as ICE.

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I'm sorry, can you pull that mic closer to you?

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It'll move, you just pull it.

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Is that better?

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Yeah, a lot of that.

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You could move the, you could move it to you.

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Oh, got it, got it.

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I thought I was like fixing the table.

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Okay, perfect.

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Lot better?

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Perfect.

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Yeah.

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Yesterday, the memorandum is going to be signed,

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being discussed today here with ICE

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that's being considered today.

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To give some background context for those if needed,

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Senate Bill 8, that was passed earlier this year

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by the Texas Legislature,

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requires officers to enter into what is known

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as 2017 agreements with ICE.

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This type of agreement will give

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if some immigration enforcement powers

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to law enforcement personnel,

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in this case it would be either

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shared deputies and or jailers.

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There are three main kinds of 287 agreements,

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we each type being different than the other

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in what kind of immigration enforcement powers

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are given to personnel.

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Well, this is the simplest way I can explain it

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for a sake of time.

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It is a lot more complex than that.

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There are so many implications,

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whether, but right now we're talking about financial ones

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behind different kinds of 287 agreements.

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The one being until today,

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but in the agenda item is a jail-enforced model.

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I, well, there are going to be some trainings behind

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for deputies and jailers,

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and while they will pay for the lodging

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and transportation,

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they will not cover salary,

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benefits of any overtime expenses per personnel

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for the four-week in-person training.

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This means that only what the country had to pay for the salaries, but also while they

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are for training, but also have to pay for other personnel to cover the shifts it needed,

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which might lead to some, be way more expensive, especially if they go to overtime pay.

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The jail enforcement model will also give personnel, whether it's jailers or deputies, the power

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to issue ICE detainers, which would then require the county jail to hold poor people

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for up to 48 hours before transferring them to ICE on a disagreement.

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00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:41,240
agreement. This means that people who would have otherwise been released on bail or let

471
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:45,420
go if charges were dropped will not have to stay in the jail for longer, which also means

472
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:48,700
that the county is going to have to pay for the expenses that come with the detention

473
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:53,960
and also for the transportation to ICE. There are a lot more factors to consider

474
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,460
when deciding what kind of 27G agreements the county should enter with ICE, including

475
00:34:58,460 --> 00:35:03,200
in community trust, personal capacity, legal liability, and potentially overcrowding

476
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,580
issues, especially with a certain proposition that is currently on the valid passes.

477
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,620
We understand that this is required by state law, and that the county, whether it is today

478
00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:17,960
or something, next year, is going to have to enter into an agreement soon.

479
00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:20,000
Hopefully we can discuss this further.

480
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Thank you for your time.

481
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Thank you.

482
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:24,360
Next we have Karen Munoz.

483
00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:28,890
This is also on 17C.

484
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,400
Good morning, Judging Commissioners.

485
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,460
My name is Karen Munoz.

486
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:37,280
I'm an attorney with criminal defense and civil rights experience.

487
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,000
I'm here to encourage you to table item 17c to allow time to hear from community about

488
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,700
why it's important to mitigate the harms of 287g.

489
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,700
The jail enforcement model of 287g will allow certain officers within the county jail to

490
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:55,340
interrogate anyone who they suspect to be immigrants and question them about their

491
00:35:55,340 --> 00:35:56,160
immigration status.

492
00:35:56,660 --> 00:36:01,080
This will inevitably lead to racial profiling and significant financial costs for our county.

493
00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:05,760
Those officers, deputized, will then be able to issue ICE detainers or ICE

494
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:14,000
holds to those who believe are non-citizens. An immigration

495
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,280
detainer or an ICE detainer is an administrative request from ICE to a

496
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,220
local law enforcement agency to hold a person for up to 48 hours after they

497
00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:25,200
would typically be released from the jail. So importantly, again, an ICE

498
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:31,060
detainer is an administrative request. It's not a criminal warrant, it's not

499
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:36,080
of paper from ICE to a local agency to asking that they hold a person past their scheduled

500
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,760
release date.

501
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:41,480
ICE has even wrongfully placed detainers like these on U.S. citizens, and if local law enforcement

502
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,140
agencies are allowed to enter into the jail enforcement model, we know that it will be

503
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:45,920
more of the same.

504
00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:50,240
Detainers wrongfully placed on community members, and this will mean that more community

505
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,900
members will end up in deportation.

506
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,960
In addition to the human impact, the financial impact is also significant.

507
00:36:56,460 --> 00:37:00,140
Entering into the jail enforcement model would mean certain jailers on top of doing

508
00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:05,820
their job every day will also be doing ICE's job. These 287G programs are costly and Harris

509
00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:12,380
County, who had a gem program specifically until 2018, spent $600,000 a year in salaries

510
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:17,020
alone while their program was in place according to their sheriff. Finally, commissioners,

511
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,180
I urge you to pause this discussion and table it for a later date. While I understand

512
00:37:21,180 --> 00:37:25,600
that state law is tying your hands here, SB8 does not require you to rush this

513
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,740
decision. It doesn't require you to rush into one of these contracts. SBA

514
00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:34,700
specifically states quote not later than December 1, 2026 are you required to

515
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,580
join into one of these. I would love the opportunity to talk with any of you or

516
00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:42,660
with the sheriff of course about the different types of 287G models and about

517
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:46,180
ways that you might be able to mitigate the harm that this program is bound to

518
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:49,600
cause. I strongly urge you again to consider the ways that you can help

519
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,120
best protect immigrants in Webb County before you enter into any of these

520
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,080
programs. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have Priscilla Lugo.

521
00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:05,860
Hi everyone. Good morning.

522
00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:11,180
Good morning. So I want to introduce myself. I'm Priscilla Lugo. I'm the policy and communications

523
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:15,920
manager at the Texas Immigration Law Council. And I was born and raised here in Laredo

524
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,180
and I'm a current resident of Precinct 4. And I'm here specifically to talk about

525
00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:24,800
Webb County entering into the 287G agreement and specifically the jail enforcement model.

526
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:31,020
While the agenda for today's hearing states that there is, quote, no impact to the general

527
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:36,720
fund, end quote, entering into a 287G jail enforcement model agreement with ICE absolutely

528
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,880
carries financial and operational costs for Web County.

529
00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:46,460
Under this program, like some of my colleagues have said, local jail staff are deputized

530
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:51,180
to perform federal immigration enforcement and duties, but ICE provides no reimbursement

531
00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:56,040
for personnel time, benefits, or detention costs associated with that work.

532
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,280
The only available support comes from limited state grants, which are based off of county

533
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,460
population size, meaning that Webb County would only receive about $100,000 in state

534
00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:10,480
reimbursement, which would not cover the full cost of implementation of the jail enforcement

535
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:10,880
model.

536
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:16,080
And with experience from other counties, shows that the jail enforcement model is

537
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,480
costly and an ineffective use of local funds.

538
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,900
Harris County spent over $675,000 in just a few months while counties in North Carolina

539
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:31,780
like Mecklenburg and Wake have lost millions of dollars more than ICE ever reimbursed them

540
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,420
before they had to end their agreements due to cost overruns and community harm that

541
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:37,000
they were noticing.

542
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:42,440
So this means that Web County taxpayers would be subsidizing a federal program instead

543
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,220
of investing in the priorities that matter most to our residents.

544
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:48,020
things like ensuring access to clean water,

545
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,520
improving infrastructure in our colonias,

546
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,300
and even expanding services to our veterans here.

547
00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:56,340
So with so many pressing local needs,

548
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,220
it makes little sense to divert limited county resources

549
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:01,820
towards enforcing immigration, federal immigration laws,

550
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:04,480
like 287G, and even Operation Lone Star,

551
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:07,080
that do not make our communities safer or stronger.

552
00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:09,920
So before approving any agreement,

553
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120
I encourage the county to conduct a full fiscal

554
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,860
school and operational impact analysis to ensure transparency about what the true cost

555
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:22,220
of this program will be because claiming that there will be no impact to the general fund

556
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:27,060
does not make those costs disappear. And I'm happy to make myself available to any of

557
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:30,420
the commissioners, the judge or the sheriff to discuss this further. Thank you for your

558
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:30,560
time.

559
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,900
Thank you.

560
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:32,320
Thank you.

561
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:32,620
Thank you.

562
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,020
Thank you.

563
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:34,160
Thank you.

564
00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:36,640
Thank you.

565
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:38,400
Thank you.

566
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:47,900
Thank you.

567
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:48,260
Thank you.

568
00:40:48,820 --> 00:40:49,240
Thank you.

569
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:56,360
I'm sure as a citizen of Webb County in Laredo I just got informed about this item.

570
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,160
I was not aware of it and just discussing with the people at the jail,

571
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,740
I believe is important for us to approve this in order for

572
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:09,540
us to continue to receive grants to house these people and

573
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:13,240
to use those monies for whatever is necessary to do the job.

574
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:17,860
So I am for the item, thank you.

575
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:25,300
very good thank you sir okay let's go move on we have at this point in time I

576
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,200
would like to we're going to go ahead and court to discuss and act on the

577
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:38,460
following but I would like to go ahead and pull out the 17 C and maybe the

578
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:41,820
sheriff's if you all have something to say about this but for right now

579
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:45,500
everything other than 17 C is on the court to discuss and I'm an act on

580
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:52,540
a second motion second any opposed for the for the consent agenda any other

581
00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:58,180
questions comments any opposed motion carries very well 17 C if you guys would

582
00:41:58,180 --> 00:41:59,140
like to discuss this

583
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:05,740
17 C I guess let me read it just for the record discussion

584
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:09,400
impossible action to enter an agreement between Webb County for the benefit of

585
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,620
the Webb County Sheriff's Office and the Department of Homeland Security

586
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:19,260
Immigration and Customs Enforcement for the 287G program jail enforcement model

587
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:26,060
GEM, beginning upon court approval until either party terminates with written

588
00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:31,000
notice. Any other management? Good morning, Judge and Commissioners. Commander Federico

589
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,740
Calderón for the record, along with Chief Alejandro Gutierrez. So we carefully

590
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:41,080
chose that specific model because it is at least intrusive to the community.

591
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,500
The other models, there's three, are active enforcement and warrant enforcement out on

592
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:48,600
the streets, identifying people in the streets.

593
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:53,400
This one is only affects people who have been arrested and who will be going to the

594
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:53,600
jail.

595
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,180
It's not an active community project.

596
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:01,540
And in as far as impact to the budget, we mean that we will not be asking the commissioners

597
00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:05,160
court for any more money to operate as we already have.

598
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:09,640
It will be absorbed, if you will, into the daily duties of people who are working

599
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:09,920
there.

600
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,000
So, while it will take extra effort, it's not going to be another position we're asking

601
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,260
for.

602
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,160
How many years have we had this?

603
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:18,260
Have we had this before?

604
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:18,920
We have not.

605
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,380
It's a new – it's been around for a while, but it's a new legislative mandate on the

606
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:25,720
Sheriff's Office, on Sheriff's Offices in Texas.

607
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:30,120
So, we are just doing what we need to do to comply with the legislative mandate.

608
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,880
Judge, if I may?

609
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:32,480
Yes, please.

610
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:33,700
I'm just curious.

611
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:37,300
So, ICE would send a retaining order, right?

612
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:44,200
As it stands now, if we have an identified deportable alien, they send a detainer.

613
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:46,000
We process a detainer, hold the person.

614
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,540
Well, again, I'm just trying to get the steps so the public would understand.

615
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,180
So if you identify, you are identifying or ICE is identifying?

616
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,860
Go ahead.

617
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,540
On that Commissioner, every inmate that goes to the Webb County Jail gets fingerprinted.

618
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,360
We have a machine that's called an identics machine.

619
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,400
It's been around for about 20 plus years.

620
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:13,700
As soon as somebody goes into the Webb County Jail and we fingerprint them,

621
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,320
that automatically goes to ICE, FBI, Austin.

622
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,620
So immigration gets it.

623
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,700
So even regardless with this program that machine's kind of already doing the work for the county,

624
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,820
it automatically will put an immigration detainer on every inmate,

625
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:35,520
whether they've been deported before or that check goes all over the place.

626
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:41,040
It's not picking out people at random, it's picking out people that either have a deportation

627
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,080
order or a warrant somewhere else or something like that.

628
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:49,140
So you're not actively going out on the streets and racially profiling or doing anything.

629
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:49,860
No, we're not.

630
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:55,560
It's people that have been arrested, that are incarcerated and hopefully trying to

631
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,800
prevent a release because they were picked up on a minor.

632
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:06,580
And you say that, you know, they could have had two or three, you know, we have examples

633
00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:11,880
every single day in the news about somebody that got let out of jail and goes and, you

634
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:17,740
know, does harm to somebody else and had a retention order. And they just refuse to enforce

635
00:45:17,740 --> 00:45:22,840
it and that person does. So if they already have a deportation order or something else,

636
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:27,260
then by all means I think we need to detain them, you know, and let ICE do their job.

637
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:33,460
Now, I guess there is a cost of saying, you know, they were going to be released one day

638
00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:35,980
and you keep another week, there is a cost there.

639
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,460
But I'd rather pay that cost than have another individual murdered.

640
00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:48,560
So as long as that's what we're doing, and like I say, it's because they're already

641
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,940
scheduled for deportation or have another charge pending somewhere else, then fine.

642
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:55,440
I have no problem with that.

643
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,880
like I tell you Commissioner, every inmate that gets fingerprinted, they don't have to

644
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,520
come and see them in person anymore.

645
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,660
That system automatically flags them, whether it be immigration, it's customs, it's a charge

646
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:08,600
from another county or state.

647
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:14,420
So automatically instead of immigration coming in and interviewing the inmates, that machine

648
00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:15,380
is already doing it for us.

649
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:18,640
Well, and then you let them go and then they find out they're working at Home

650
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,700
Depot and then they have to go chase them over there or wherever else they're

651
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:21,960
working.

652
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,540
So you're not picking or choosing actually the machine as a one that identifies the individual

653
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:29,540
right and automatically sends notice.

654
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:32,680
As it stands now, yes.

655
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:40,760
So the current system has been in practice for the last at least 20 years.

656
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:41,320
Yes, sir.

657
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:49,100
And so for the process and I'm saying this to inform the public right, but we

658
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:54,120
We used to have a system in where immigration would go to the jail twice a day, right?

659
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:59,720
They would get there at 8 in the morning and then 5 o'clock in the afternoon in the 2000s,

660
00:46:59,720 --> 00:46:59,920
right?

661
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:05,460
And then we transitioned in where immigration started going to the jail Monday through

662
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:07,460
Friday at 8 in the morning, correct?

663
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:08,080
That's correct.

664
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,700
And then so there's two forms of immigration detainers.

665
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:18,880
one is they would go ahead and do that I guess when they would interview the

666
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:24,980
persons that were detained while their visit and then I guess when you start it

667
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:30,380
with this system the system would with a fingerprint the system would put an

668
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:35,620
automatic detainer on the persons right that's correct okay and so with this

669
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:40,920
new Senate bill or House bill how is that the practice at least for the

670
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,420
last 25 years in the county. How is it different than what you're now mandating or proposing?

671
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:56,380
Commissioner, so the difference now is ICE will be training certain officials that we send,

672
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:02,100
certain jailers or deputies that we send, and they will have what somebody called limited

673
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:07,800
immigration authority to issue detainers. So instead of getting it automatically from

674
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,400
someone visiting the jail, which will still happen, or electronically from an automatic

675
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,780
fingerprint read, instead of those which can still happen, it will be the addition of

676
00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:24,140
a third layer, a physical person there, a deputy or a jailer, issuing that detainer

677
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:30,360
to somebody they've identified as a criminally deportable or somebody they need to issue

678
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:30,960
a detainer for.

679
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:39,280
Now, the question I have is that let's say if you do have a U.S. citizen that has a detainer

680
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:48,220
because that has happened and, you know, I could give you some examples like Ms. Pedraza

681
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:56,140
Hernandez that is a U.S. citizen came into the county jail. She was given an immigration

682
00:48:56,140 --> 00:49:03,140
detainer from San Antonio at the time, but it wasn't until Monday that her family could

683
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:05,860
go ahead and show that she was a U.S. citizen.

684
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:13,500
There has been a practice and there has been some cases in where a person is given a detainer

685
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:20,200
when immigration picks him up because they don't visit the jail on a daily basis.

686
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,460
when they're taken to immigration for the process scene center, they'll realize that

687
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:31,280
the person's a citizen and they'll release them. And I guess the question that I have

688
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:37,040
is, let's say if you have a person that you place a detainer and then all of a sudden

689
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:42,940
they'll bring evidence that the person's a U.S. citizen, are you going to be able

690
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:44,760
to go ahead and lift up that detainer?

691
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,000
Not as Commissioner, it would have to be immigration or customs, where they take them there, they

692
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,200
take them, and they talk to the federal counterparts, and they're the ones who report back to us

693
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,060
that they took off the hold, or they released them from the processing center, but it's

694
00:49:59,060 --> 00:50:00,160
them who make that determination.

695
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:05,140
I know some families have gone to the processing center with immigration specifically,

696
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:11,040
and they would go ahead and take documentations, they'll go ahead and, you know, at least

697
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:16,240
in the past they would verify that they were U.S. citizens and then they would call the

698
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:21,980
county jail to go ahead and lift up those detainers. I know that that has been the practice

699
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:29,000
at least for the years. Are we liable, I guess is the question that I have for legal,

700
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:40,240
or would we be liable if a person, I understand that this is mandated by the state and I

701
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:47,140
we it would be implemented until the end of next year right 2026 and I guess the question is

702
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:55,980
would we be except until then if let's say if a person does get arrested it is a US citizen

703
00:50:55,980 --> 00:51:02,800
and you detain them past the 48 hours and it happens to be a US citizen and given that our

704
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:10,260
county employees placed that detainer, would we be liable? I guess Mr. Treviño?

705
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:11,860
Not in the course of duty.

706
00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:17,230
Well, we need to put a cushion.

707
00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:20,650
Mr. Treviño is right behind you. I'm sorry, it's happened before.

708
00:51:21,310 --> 00:51:28,490
Jorge Luis Treviño Jr., Assistant General Counsel for Webb County. Liability as far

709
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:32,830
as state rules should not be confused with federal rules. If there is a lawful

710
00:51:32,830 --> 00:51:37,710
detainer because it's based off on the system. All officers on the detainer are commanded

711
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:43,790
to enforce it. They don't have that discretion. So we would not be responsible. You're asking

712
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:48,890
him to violate the law by doing the otherwise, which is why if a law has a duty, it cannot

713
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:49,490
be held accountable.

714
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:57,070
Mr. Trevino, so, Ken, is it possible for us to say if somebody actually makes a

715
00:51:57,070 --> 00:52:03,730
claim, because I've seen this several times in the process and you've seen what the Supreme

716
00:52:03,730 --> 00:52:14,890
Court has been doing, so they're always asking for that window of to be able to have what's

717
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:20,770
the term, to be adjudicated or whatever, to be able to prove, you know, another hearing

718
00:52:20,770 --> 00:52:24,570
or whatever to say, all right, I am a citizen, I need to be released.

719
00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:29,730
So can we give them like say you can't can't deliver anybody they get rested on the weekend

720
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:33,770
Don't let them go on Monday morning. You know if they make a claim, right?

721
00:52:33,970 --> 00:52:37,510
You know give them another three days or whatever if we have to hold them three more days and say till

722
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:42,630
Give them the chance to prove only the ones that claim that they're US it right because I'm sure it can happen

723
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:46,670
The beauty of our system state and and federal again

724
00:52:47,130 --> 00:52:52,490
Federal says you release in 48 hours. So if they're released on state charges that doesn't mean they can leave on federal

725
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:53,790
They can still be held.

726
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:55,290
So they're under federal at that point.

727
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:57,490
That's a misconception of a lot of people have,

728
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:58,350
is it why aren't they out?

729
00:52:58,750 --> 00:53:00,310
Because you're no longer on state charges.

730
00:53:00,490 --> 00:53:01,490
State charges you 48 hours.

731
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:03,030
Beyond that, it's federal anyway.

732
00:53:03,450 --> 00:53:04,990
They're in by federal, not by state.

733
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:06,750
I understand that, but what I'm saying is.

734
00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:08,290
What they have in the federal system

735
00:53:08,290 --> 00:53:10,930
is another beautiful program that we even have in the state

736
00:53:10,930 --> 00:53:12,030
that was called the Rida habeas.

737
00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:15,610
But I'm just the example of what the commissioner

738
00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:16,250
and hotman gave.

739
00:53:16,610 --> 00:53:18,290
So somebody gave me over the weekend.

740
00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:20,750
They claimed that they were a US citizen.

741
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:21,890
and how can they be deported?

742
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:26,210
And so they need several days to be able to prove it.

743
00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:29,230
They can file what's called a red-a-habis,

744
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:31,770
even in federal court, saying, Judge, I have to prove it.

745
00:53:33,110 --> 00:53:35,090
Several of those people that got deported to Venezuela

746
00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:39,530
or whatever, they didn't get their chance in court.

747
00:53:40,310 --> 00:53:41,570
They can have a chance in court.

748
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:43,590
All they have to do is file a red-a-habis in federal court.

749
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:45,570
Because under state law, we're not holding them anymore.

750
00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:49,290
So do we have that form or whatever they need?

751
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:53,690
If we can ask the federal government, they want to provide a form they can, but they can

752
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:56,110
also ask for a federal public defender because they do have them.

753
00:53:56,830 --> 00:54:03,270
So I know that at least for our county, we've been bearing that expense for a long time.

754
00:54:04,270 --> 00:54:10,190
And so, yes, an argument could be made and you could state and say, you know what, he

755
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:12,450
is on a federal detainer.

756
00:54:13,330 --> 00:54:18,370
But the thing is, is that if a person doesn't meet their obligations within the state

757
00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:26,710
first, you're going to go ahead and now bottleneck a bunch of inmates because they're not going

758
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:34,710
to be able to go ahead and pay for bail because a person is not going to be transferred over

759
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:39,310
to the federal system until they meet their state obligations first, right?

760
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:40,230
That is true.

761
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:45,430
But if the feds have placed a detainer, the DAs, I know because I did this too,

762
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:55,950
We would issue a rid of, not a rid, but actually the determination saying that we're going to dismiss the case so he can be processed federally.

763
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:58,310
So we would release the state charges.

764
00:54:59,750 --> 00:55:04,650
I've seen that practice and practice isn't happening at least right now.

765
00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:12,270
And I'm saying because we reviewed, I guess, the 500 persons that are detained.

766
00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:21,350
There's 150 persons that are awaiting court and a big dilemma there is the detainer, federal

767
00:55:21,350 --> 00:55:25,850
detainer with persons that are appending court.

768
00:55:26,770 --> 00:55:33,790
I think it's a little bit more delicate given that there's a rising amount of persons that

769
00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:35,330
are being detained at the county jail.

770
00:55:35,330 --> 00:55:46,510
Well, I am curious to hear about the grants that we receive and how this would jeopardize

771
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:49,210
those grant applications, so without a doubt.

772
00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:51,210
Can you explain that?

773
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:56,550
It's on that documentation that came from the Governor's Office, so we'll go ahead

774
00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:59,870
and forward it to you so you can go ahead and read it how it would affect the grants

775
00:55:59,870 --> 00:56:00,310
for the county.

776
00:56:00,930 --> 00:56:07,150
We're going to have to send three either jailers or peace officers to get trained through a training through the federal government

777
00:56:07,150 --> 00:56:12,070
But on that letter that they send to the county will send it to you. I don't understand the training

778
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:17,650
So they're going to be trained in what it's because you're saying they can issue a retainer

779
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:24,770
How do they specifically our jailers right now or in our peace officers are only acquainted with state statutes, correct?

780
00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:31,830
They provide a training so that they can be acquainted with federal statutes and how to

781
00:56:31,830 --> 00:56:39,830
properly document, process, and interview detainees in our jail to determine whether

782
00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:41,910
or not a detainer needs to be issued for them.

783
00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:47,550
So that's where the limited immigration authority comes from, when they would turn off their

784
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:52,650
deputy sheriff hat and put on an ICE hat for the time being while they're in front

785
00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:54,570
of that terminal processing that person?

786
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:57,710
I know that's what the bill requires, but is that really necessary?

787
00:56:58,070 --> 00:57:03,450
I mean, if you – let's just say the person is trained, he does an interview and he says,

788
00:57:04,890 --> 00:57:09,890
I think this person should be detained for ex-reasons, even though ICE doesn't have

789
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:13,570
it, but he's already been deported once from the country.

790
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:15,410
You know, he's back here illegally.

791
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:19,850
ICE doesn't know that, you know, until now or whatever until I guess the system.

792
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:27,350
call ICE and say, hey, I got this person instead of him personally making that, that declaration

793
00:57:27,350 --> 00:57:31,970
saying I'm going to detain you. Well, let make the phone call to ICE, let them detain you.

794
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:38,390
Well, the 287 program is what it's about. It's a jail enforcement and the two field

795
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:42,990
enforcement type warrant service and the other one where you're actively enforcing

796
00:57:42,990 --> 00:57:48,110
in the community. So we opted not to do that. And we're doing the jail where we're

797
00:57:48,110 --> 00:57:49,910
or just processing people who've already been picked up?

798
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:54,970
Again, I mean, we don't want to let people out on the street that shouldn't be on the street.

799
00:57:56,690 --> 00:58:00,190
We're not going to go out there and be pulling people over,

800
00:58:00,790 --> 00:58:02,450
and I don't think anybody has that authority.

801
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:06,050
These raids are looking for targeted people.

802
00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:08,670
They have a warrant to arrest somebody.

803
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:10,950
Now, when they find other people with them,

804
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:13,190
that's the problem because they're all hanging out together.

805
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:23,030
But when we have somebody in the jail, like Tom has said, don't let them out on the street because then they have to say nice to go find them.

806
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:37,530
And that's where you have the disruption. So much easier to have them come pick them up quietly in the jail and take them, like again, only if they have deportation orders or if they have some kind of arrest order of perpetters.

807
00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:42,410
So I think the system already does that. I think that if they have a history of deportation

808
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:46,790
to fingerprints, it's an automatic hold. I guess it's for the first time offenders.

809
00:58:47,330 --> 00:58:48,770
It's, I guess, that delicate.

810
00:58:48,990 --> 00:58:53,870
I think the problem is the automatic hold, you have cities that are going ahead and releasing

811
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:54,270
them anyway.

812
00:58:54,670 --> 00:58:59,710
At least within our counties, that practice has been going on for at least 20 years.

813
00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:03,790
And I think, Commissioner on that, there's other county jails in Texas that don't

814
00:59:03,790 --> 00:59:05,090
have that luxury of that machine.

815
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:05,670
Right.

816
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:15,150
I'm thinking maybe you're guessing that's why maybe the governor put it because I don't have that luxury, but maybe this is focusing on rural Texas, not so much on border communities.

817
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:20,370
I guess that half the means to provide that machine to probably judge.

818
00:59:20,610 --> 00:59:24,630
I would want to go ahead and push a motion to go ahead and table this for the next meeting.

819
00:59:24,830 --> 00:59:27,150
I would hope to go ahead and get more information.

820
00:59:27,690 --> 00:59:35,470
I understand that we have this obligation to move forward and I don't have an issue with it, given that we are already doing this.

821
00:59:35,470 --> 00:59:39,990
I just want to review the three options, so I can go ahead and make a decision.

822
00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:43,090
Do you have a motion? I have a second. I have a question, though.

823
00:59:43,450 --> 00:59:44,250
I don't know. You have a second.

824
00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:46,610
Yeah, I have a motion. I have a second. I have another discussion.

825
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:48,170
We have no discussion on that.

826
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:48,830
On the table?

827
00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:49,230
Yeah.

828
00:59:50,370 --> 00:59:54,530
I mean, this is time-sensitive. That's all I want to know.

829
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:55,090
Yeah, of course.

830
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:56,850
Can you go ahead and...

831
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:59,730
Is it time-sensitive? We tabled this to get more clearance.

832
01:00:00,590 --> 01:00:02,690
And George, or the end of next year, I think.

833
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:11,750
The program takes time to set up, and the training takes time to set up, and we'd have to coordinate

834
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:15,590
that. But whatever your will is.

835
01:00:15,970 --> 01:00:16,690
I want to ask George.

836
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,720
I'll get through it again for the record. I've done some work in this area, and I've

837
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,880
helped. I was general counsel at the Bellbomb Board, a former DA, former county attorney,

838
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,880
and I have seen what happens, okay?

839
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:34,500
So we're not really changing too much.

840
01:00:34,580 --> 01:00:36,160
The training will also help them identify

841
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,280
if someone's a U.S. citizen, which is somebody's forgetting.

842
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,520
And so they're trained, they know.

843
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,480
But I will tell you that if we wait,

844
01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:43,900
nothing's gonna change,

845
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,260
the statute still makes it mandatory.

846
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:46,760
Yeah, very good.

847
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:47,820
Well, bring it back.

848
01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:49,280
So I mean, it's already tabled.

849
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:50,860
Anyway, motion seconds for table.

850
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,280
Table to this.

851
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:55,300
Your opposed to table to this?

852
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:56,380
Oh, we could do that?

853
01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:57,060
Mm-hmm.

854
01:00:57,220 --> 01:00:57,800
We could be opposed?

855
01:00:57,900 --> 01:00:58,080
Okay.

856
01:01:01,340 --> 01:01:02,700
Thank you. Thank you.

857
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:06,520
We're not going to release anybody

858
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,840
intro in the meantime, right? It's not going to change the process. No.

859
01:01:12,020 --> 01:01:12,580
Very good.

860
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,990
We're not changing the process. What are we doing?

861
01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:22,990
All right. We're going to bring it back though, I guess.

862
01:01:23,330 --> 01:01:25,230
Yeah, next meeting. Yeah, next meeting we'll bring it back.

863
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:27,650
Very good. I'll get to vote then. All right.

864
01:01:28,050 --> 01:01:32,470
Regular agenda, engineering. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

865
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:35,370
Can I bring up a agenda item 27, please?

866
01:01:35,850 --> 01:01:36,030
Second.

867
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:37,230
Motion seconds.

868
01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:37,790
Any opposed?

869
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:40,840
Motion carries.

870
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:41,700
Commissioner Hyman?

871
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:44,420
Thank you, Judge.

872
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,880
Agenda item 27 reads proclamation,

873
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,940
designating the month of November as pancreatic

874
01:01:51,820 --> 01:01:54,480
Cancer Awareness Month and November 20,

875
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,080
2025 as pancreatic Cancer Awareness Day

876
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,820
and commemorate it by lighting up

877
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:07,920
the Web County Courthouse purple all of November, along with the presentation of Ms. Padivella

878
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,320
on behalf of the pancreatic cancer action network, PAN-CAN.

879
01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:13,900
Ms. Vela.

880
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:15,560
Good morning everyone.

881
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:17,320
Good morning.

882
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:17,820
Good morning.

883
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:19,420
Good morning, Judge Commissioners.

884
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,220
Thank you once again for allowing us to be here.

885
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,240
My name is Padivella.

886
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,660
I'm a care giver for a pancreatic cancer warrior.

887
01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:32,780
I'm here again requesting your assistance to make a difference in the fight against cancer.

888
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:38,760
Over the past six years, our journey has been marked with numerous ups and downs, yet we

889
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:45,440
remain steady and determined to be positive and to make an impact in the lives of others

890
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,060
affected by this horrible disease.

891
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:55,360
Our mission is to make their journey somewhere easier, more bearable, and more hopeful.

892
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:01,740
With November approaching, we need your help in raising awareness about pancreatic cancer,

893
01:03:02,180 --> 01:03:04,800
the third leading cause of cancer death currently.

894
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:07,500
My husband is among the fortunate few.

895
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:16,720
Recently we lost a 38-year-old mother of three, a Web County Head Start teacher assistant

896
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,360
that served our community for 15 years, Ms. Vanessa Contreras, who bravely fought

897
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,440
for three years.

898
01:03:24,540 --> 01:03:30,220
Unfortunately, due to Laredo's limit, medical research, several of us have to seek medical

899
01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:33,940
attention outside of our community to fight this terrible disease.

900
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,980
That's why I'm so thankful for American Cancer Society, PANCAN.

901
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:45,940
These two organizations made our journey and is helping others make their journey just

902
01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:47,440
a little bit easier.

903
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,340
year. Presenting with me is an exceptional caregiver who would like to share her experience

904
01:03:52,340 --> 01:04:02,760
also. Good morning. Good morning. My name's Josario Cardenas and my husband, David Sanjay

905
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:09,760
Jr., was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, stage three pancreatic cancer in April 12th

906
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,400
of 2023.

907
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:20,630
My David was a healthy person. He ate well. He would go to the gym. He enjoyed

908
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:29,090
running and would never skip his annual physical. It was after his 2022 physical result that

909
01:04:29,090 --> 01:04:36,250
he said the results are not correct because my stomach is still not well. He went back

910
01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:44,980
to his doctor and went through several other exams and all his exams would come back normal.

911
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,540
It was then when his doctor told him, there is just one last exam to do, but you are young,

912
01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:58,300
healthy and there is no cancer history in your family. Then it was that exam that came

913
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:05,740
back with a normal result. The doctor told my David, you need a biopsy, but I have to

914
01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:10,460
I refer you to a doctor in San Antonio as Laredo does not have a doctor that can perform

915
01:05:10,460 --> 01:05:11,200
this procedure.

916
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:14,920
And this is when my David's cancer journey began.

917
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:22,520
Two different types of chemotherapy, 14 rounds of chemo, and 10 sessions of radiation.

918
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:29,460
And in December 2023, doctor tells my David the medicine is not working and I don't have

919
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:30,680
anything else to give you.

920
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,780
This is when my David was referred to a trial treatment doctor.

921
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,780
On January, January 2024, my David began his trial treatment,

922
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,660
but like the doctor told us, this is an experimental medicine

923
01:05:43,660 --> 01:05:45,820
and we do not know if it will work.

924
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,600
My David did everything his doctors told him.

925
01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:52,860
He did all the treatments, took all the medications,

926
01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:56,500
but his body was not able to beat this horrible monster.

927
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:02,000
On February 4th, 2024, my David went back to heaven.

928
01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:07,860
It was 10 months of traveling back and forth from Laredo to San Antonio.

929
01:06:08,980 --> 01:06:18,060
We would drive up to San Antonio on Tuesday afternoon because we had to visit with the doctor on Wednesday morning before going to the second floor to get treatment.

930
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:25,840
treatment. Every two weeks we had to get a hotel for three days because after a Wednesday

931
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,860
chemo treatment, my David had to take a medicine machine home for 48 hours, then go back to

932
01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:38,280
the cancer center on Friday to have medicine machine removed. We did this for about four

933
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:44,500
months then my David tells me that his friend has a house in San Antonio and has offered

934
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:49,820
to stay at his house while he's going through his treatments. We saw this as a huge blessing

935
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:56,360
because after five months of treatments, traveling got difficult for my David and we were basically

936
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:02,560
now living in San Antonio. We were blessed to have somewhere to stay in San Antonio but

937
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:08,660
many other patients and families do not have what we had. Cancer patients should not

938
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:14,240
not be worried about how to pay for gas, hotel and meals. Their priority is to be there

939
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:19,940
for every doctor visit, every single chemo treatment and give it their all to beat the

940
01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:25,160
cancer in their body. This is where Pankin comes and this is why it is so important

941
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:31,920
to donate. Pankin provides patients with gas cards and hotel stays. So many people

942
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:37,140
are going through cancer and have to travel for treatment like we did because our city

943
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:43,860
does not have the doctor or type of treatment that patients require. Please donate and spread

944
01:07:43,860 --> 01:07:50,120
the word to your friends and family and even to your bosses so they can become part of this cause.

945
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:55,980
I want to say thank you to all our family and friends for being there for us when my David was

946
01:07:55,980 --> 01:08:01,720
going through his treatments, for calling, texting and showing up to check on us. And to Miguel

947
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:08,600
Stone Salads, thank you so much for offering your beautiful home to us. Cancer sucks and

948
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,600
we have to help in any way we can, so please donate and join the cause.

949
01:08:14,780 --> 01:08:19,320
Very sorry and thank you for your strength right now to be able to do that, what you

950
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,240
just did. Thank you.

951
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,080
If you could all just come on up that everybody that's here, I'm going to go ahead and

952
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,500
read the proclamation if you don't mind.

953
01:08:27,820 --> 01:08:28,400
Oh no, go ahead.

954
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:36,940
Whereas in 2025 an estimated 67,440 people will be diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in

955
01:08:36,940 --> 01:08:41,140
the United States and 50,550 people will die from the disease.

956
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,340
Whereas pancreatic cancer is the third leading cause of cancer death in the United States

957
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:50,440
and it is projected to become the second leading cause before 2030.

958
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:56,580
Whereas pancreatic cancer is the only major cancer with a five year relative survival

959
01:08:56,580 --> 01:09:03,560
rate or at just 13 percent. And whereas these symptoms of pancreatic cancer present themselves,

960
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:09,400
it is generally late stage with the average patient living for about one year after diagnosis,

961
01:09:09,820 --> 01:09:15,200
while only 10 percent of patients with an early diagnosis become disease free from treatment.

962
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:21,000
And whereas pancreatic cancer is the fourth most common cause of cancer, the death in women

963
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,920
and men across the world.

964
01:09:23,620 --> 01:09:31,120
And whereas disparities by race and socioeconomic status exist in the diagnosis of treatment

965
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:37,720
of pancreatic cancer and prove understanding of underlying causes could inform interventions.

966
01:09:38,420 --> 01:09:42,620
And whereas the good health and well-being of the residents of Laredo are enhanced as

967
01:09:42,620 --> 01:09:48,140
a direct result of increased awareness about pancreatic cancer and research into early

968
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:50,020
detection cause of effective treatments.

969
01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:53,500
Now, therefore, I don't think it's enough by virtue of the authority vested in me by

970
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:56,980
the State of Texas Web County Judge and on behalf of the Web County Commissioners Court,

971
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:02,880
I hereby proclaim the month of November 2025 as pancreatic cancer awareness month and November

972
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,960
20, 2025 as pancreatic cancer awareness day.

973
01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:08,520
Thank you and congratulations.

974
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:09,820
Thank you.

975
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:15,240
Judge, if I may ask some questions, please, I've had some friends that have died from

976
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:15,360
that.

977
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,340
And from what I understood, there's, again, early detection,

978
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:20,820
there's several forms that are treatable.

979
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,240
And there's one, is it non lymphoma or lymphoma,

980
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:26,200
one that I guess is not treatable?

981
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:28,340
It's because there's different cancers.

982
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:30,660
Right now, pancreatic cancer, there's no testing.

983
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:34,600
So we encourage, there's no testing to detect it.

984
01:10:34,780 --> 01:10:37,980
So that's why we encourage people to, you know,

985
01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:39,360
get their yearly physicals,

986
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,740
get the exams that are out there available.

987
01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:43,900
Right now is breast cancer awareness month.

988
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:49,780
there's mammograms. There's no testing, what can we do. That's why you have to

989
01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:52,900
get your yearly physicals, but don't just go get a physical where the doctor

990
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:57,160
asks you, how do you feel? And you say, I'm doing good, so he signs off and you're

991
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:03,460
great. You need to ask for complete blood work. Get your scans, get whatever a

992
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:06,140
complete physical is pain for.

993
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:11,220
Again, you know, I'm concerned. I go to

994
01:11:11,220 --> 01:11:18,720
Oncology, I have complete blood work several times a year and I get elevated, high blood

995
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:24,240
cells, high red and white, so what can I do to look?

996
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:26,880
The best thing is that you know your body.

997
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:33,000
So if you're not comfortable, as Rosario is saying, you can ask for another specialist.

998
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,000
Unfortunately, we are medically underserved here in Areto.

999
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,020
I would commute to San Antonio and get another, a second opinion.

1000
01:11:41,020 --> 01:11:47,080
You have that right in San Antonio. That's why I'm asking well in San Antonio. There's no test specifically for that

1001
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:54,120
How do you how do you figure it out? Well at what point do they figure it out? Well, unfortunately sometimes it's it's at a very late stage

1002
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:58,820
That's why it's very crucial like you're doing the only by biopsy or what? Yes

1003
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,060
That's that's what can give you the actual

1004
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:04,720
diagnosis and

1005
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,400
That's why we we urge everyone eat healthy

1006
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:13,060
But, you see, you're the lucky one.

1007
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:14,960
You can communicate to San Antonio.

1008
01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:17,880
We have so many families here on the rails that they can't.

1009
01:12:18,260 --> 01:12:25,580
And if I may, I think, Judge, I think what makes this yearly proclamation important is

1010
01:12:25,580 --> 01:12:35,000
that for the people that do get a positive hit on their biopsy or in any of the labs

1011
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:40,760
that they take, I think families are clueless when it comes to care.

1012
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:46,940
And I think these support groups have helped our community because it will point them to

1013
01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:47,720
the right direction.

1014
01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:54,600
There are some aggressive processes that families can't take.

1015
01:12:54,860 --> 01:13:05,640
But I guess the feeling of feeling useless or not, you know, clueless within the process,

1016
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,580
I think these support groups do a tremendous work for our community.

1017
01:13:09,580 --> 01:13:16,040
so I want to thank you Ms. Vela and your group for always, you know, informing the public

1018
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:20,660
and at least utilizing your time to go ahead and point them at the right direction.

1019
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:27,260
Laredo has an amazing, amazing group of volunteers. Our leader is here, Ms. Nyanyas. I don't

1020
01:13:27,260 --> 01:13:33,660
know how she does it. I do a very small part, but she has a really good group and

1021
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:40,240
everybody does 110 things. Luckily, we have people like Commissioner Hyman's that support

1022
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:47,140
us 110%. And still, we run into people that have never heard of American Cancer Society,

1023
01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:54,420
that receive the diagnosis and don't know what to do. I mean, I hope you're never at

1024
01:13:54,420 --> 01:13:59,700
that point, but just hearing the word cancer, believe me, it throws you back. You don't

1025
01:13:59,700 --> 01:14:04,480
what to do at that moment. But there is help. There is help and we want the

1026
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,780
community to know that there is help. There's a 1-800 number that you can call

1027
01:14:07,780 --> 01:14:12,140
24 hours a day, seven days a week, even on holidays. And there is someone at the

1028
01:14:12,140 --> 01:14:16,720
other end. We, my family, we were fortunate enough to know and we called

1029
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,740
and they were with us every step of the way. And thanks to them, we were

1030
01:14:20,740 --> 01:14:24,900
introduced to another program which is called Pancan that helped us

1031
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:29,180
throughout our journey, making it just a little bit more bearable. But it is

1032
01:14:29,180 --> 01:14:33,580
very hard. So that's why we need your help to inform the community. I know there

1033
01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:37,440
was beautiful purple pins at the entrance. If you took one, please take the

1034
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,840
initiative to every day remind someone. Just ask them, when was your last

1035
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:45,420
screening? Do you know that there's an organization out there that can

1036
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:49,660
help? I always tell everyone write the number on your phone as a friend that

1037
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:53,480
I hope you never have to call, but if you do believe me that friend will

1038
01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:59,920
be there now locally is there someone you can donate or unfortunately no

1039
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,080
We're all volunteers. Okay, so there's nothing, there's no group here that helps with transportation

1040
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:09,720
or anything. I know that there's people that had got certified because there's a program

1041
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:16,960
through American Cancer, but since no one uses it. The Ronald McDonald House? We don't

1042
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,560
have a Ronald McDonald House here. Well, I know in San Antonio. There's some in San

1043
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:28,180
Antonio. Do they accommodate? Yes, if you call American Cancer Society, they just

1044
01:15:28,180 --> 01:15:33,140
started a hope launch there in San Antonio, it's part of American Cancer Society, but if

1045
01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:36,840
you call the 1-800 number and tell them that you need transportation, they will guide you

1046
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,660
on how to obtain transportation, whether it's purchasing a bus ticket for you or hopefully

1047
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:46,080
there's someone here that's already trained on how to provide the services to either

1048
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:47,580
San Antonio or Houston, Dallas.

1049
01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:49,080
I'll put out a new run out of funds as well, though.

1050
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:50,080
I'm sorry?

1051
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,320
They do run out of funds.

1052
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,200
I know.

1053
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:52,780
They run out of funds as well.

1054
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:54,340
That is the sad part.

1055
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:01,440
Okay, well very well, thank you all very much. Would y'all like a picture? Yes, please? Yes. We need to brag.

1056
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:04,180
Let's stay back here. That way, everybody can fit.

1057
01:16:15,870 --> 01:16:22,630
Can I share the number? Please. It's 1-800-227-2345.

1058
01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:32,550
Again, 1-800-227-2345. Very good. Thank you. Hope you never need it. Hope you never need it, but if not, it's there.

1059
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,400
There's still a couple more coming for the pick.

1060
01:17:18,580 --> 01:17:19,300
You're fine.

1061
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:20,140
Yes.

1062
01:17:57,730 --> 01:17:58,730
Thank you all very much.

1063
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:59,330
God bless you.

1064
01:17:59,490 --> 01:17:59,890
Thank you.

1065
01:17:59,890 --> 01:18:00,490
God bless you all.

1066
01:18:00,790 --> 01:18:01,110
Thank you.

1067
01:18:01,230 --> 01:18:01,530
Good to see you.

1068
01:18:01,530 --> 01:18:01,670
Good to see you.

1069
01:18:01,770 --> 01:18:02,110
Good to see you.

1070
01:18:02,110 --> 01:18:02,390
Thank you.

1071
01:18:09,140 --> 01:18:10,760
Do you do what you want to do?

1072
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:11,360
Yes.

1073
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:12,560
Like what I am doing.

1074
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:13,620
We do.

1075
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:14,560
We do.

1076
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:15,380
Yes, we do.

1077
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:16,800
I do too.

1078
01:18:18,340 --> 01:18:18,700
Yeah.

1079
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,520
But it is scary. There's no test.

1080
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,960
Oh, that's a thing. There is no test.

1081
01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:26,640
All

1082
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,720
right, let's move on to item number 18.

1083
01:18:33,420 --> 01:18:36,420
Discussing the possible action to approve change order 001.

1084
01:18:37,420 --> 01:18:40,800
In the amounts of $70,738.48,

1085
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,460
as a credit for a stoddard general contractor

1086
01:18:45,980 --> 01:18:50,060
for the Webb County Dean Senator Judith Zafferini Justice Center Building

1087
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,160
motion seconds any opposed wait wait hold on then I do have a question yes I

1088
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:06,030
understand he's saying so are they going to use something that they already had or

1089
01:19:06,030 --> 01:19:11,610
what morning I get them away for the record they're just substituting from

1090
01:19:11,610 --> 01:19:18,170
one vendor to another vendor and $70,000 less correct okay all right motion

1091
01:19:18,170 --> 01:19:24,990
motion second. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Item 19 discuss an

1092
01:19:24,990 --> 01:19:29,090
impossible action to approve the use of a contingency allowance as stipulated

1093
01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:32,450
under four three allowances under the construction agreement between Webb

1094
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:37,550
County and Midas contractors LLC in the amount not to exceed $29,605.

1095
01:19:38,570 --> 01:19:44,290
Motion second. Any opposed? I mean I'm sorry question. The $29,000 is just for the

1096
01:19:44,290 --> 01:19:47,890
redesign or that's including construction? No just for the redesign.

1097
01:19:47,890 --> 01:19:57,250
So that's just for architectural fees to say, I need a architectural engineering fees just to redesign to design the parking lot for the meals on wheels.

1098
01:19:58,550 --> 01:20:03,990
The whole parking lot is just the one, the handicapped section. No, no, it's an additional parking of spaces.

1099
01:20:05,690 --> 01:20:06,710
Oh, okay.

1100
01:20:08,730 --> 01:20:12,110
So we're doing a $300,000 parking lot.

1101
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:15,870
No, it's going to be a little bit less, but it will be more than 200.

1102
01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:25,430
That's usually a ballpark figure, but yeah, I'm not too sure what price they're going to come up with.

1103
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:28,010
Let me ask you how many parking spots are you putting on?

1104
01:20:28,770 --> 01:20:31,730
I believe he has scheduled about 10 parking spaces.

1105
01:20:32,010 --> 01:20:33,930
10 parking spots with $300,000?

1106
01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:37,730
No, it's not $300,000. We don't have the exact number yet.

1107
01:20:37,730 --> 01:20:44,650
No, but that's what Commissioner Gay-Losane, for $30,000, 10% contingency, that's $300,000,

1108
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:46,390
and we're only getting 10 parking spots?

1109
01:20:46,670 --> 01:20:46,990
No, sir.

1110
01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:47,350
No way.

1111
01:20:47,530 --> 01:20:48,170
How much was it?

1112
01:20:48,710 --> 01:20:49,430
Good morning.

1113
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:51,570
You have the walls for the record, CAA director.

1114
01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:57,650
We've been talking to the architect, we do have contingency funds available right now.

1115
01:20:59,010 --> 01:21:07,050
About 209,502 is what we have available, minus this 29,605 gives us a balance of $179,000.

1116
01:21:07,050 --> 01:21:10,570
Let's not talk about, I appreciate you bringing up the money, we'll bring it up in a second.

1117
01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:16,210
My question again, still, I'm still asking, how many parking spots are we getting for

1118
01:21:16,210 --> 01:21:16,870
this amount of money?

1119
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:23,990
So it would be directly behind the building, 20, in that straight line directly behind

1120
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:29,070
the building, and out to the side, there's a return to, we're going to try to get

1121
01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:29,350
nine.

1122
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:31,350
But I'm saying, so how did the architect come up with this price?

1123
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:39,660
How did the architect, he came up with just an estimate of what it would cost him to build

1124
01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:42,360
what is possible 20 parking spaces.

1125
01:21:42,380 --> 01:21:46,180
I know we were excited about parking lots but this is getting a little too excited about

1126
01:21:46,180 --> 01:21:46,480
this.

1127
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,260
So $10,000 a parking spot?

1128
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,820
Well he's telling you, the architect is telling you it's going to cost $300,000.

1129
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:59,160
He is estimating but he still won't know until he gets an actual cost from the contractor.

1130
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,140
But he wants to charge you $29,000.

1131
01:22:01,140 --> 01:22:07,460
Yes. That's an estimate to do. The design work is $29,000, but the actual cost for construction

1132
01:22:07,460 --> 01:22:08,820
won't come in until the contract.

1133
01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:10,960
Okay, and you only have $209,000.

1134
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:11,620
Correct.

1135
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:14,980
And now you'll have a little bit less because of it.

1136
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,220
You'll have $180,000.

1137
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:18,400
So it's still-

1138
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,580
Mr. Cuellar, are these ARPA monies?

1139
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:22,740
These are ARPA monies.

1140
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:28,460
And so I have a question. If the price comes up higher, then how are we planning

1141
01:22:28,460 --> 01:22:29,880
to fund this?

1142
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,520
If the price comes higher, then we would have to reduce the scope for the parking.

1143
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:41,220
So right now he's going to come up with a design, if the contractor says it's going to be too much, then he would have to cut back the scope.

1144
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,880
You're going to go from 20, okay, you're going to cut back, so you're going to get 15 maybe.

1145
01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:49,780
It's still an enormous amount of money.

1146
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,340
The parking lot is going to cost you that much.

1147
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:56,940
$10,000 for a parking spot. Listen to what we're talking about.

1148
01:22:58,140 --> 01:23:00,380
Estimate, yes. But the exact number we want to know.

1149
01:23:00,380 --> 01:23:02,580
I just can't. I can't.

1150
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:07,380
Judge, if I may, before we even started looking into this project, I talked to Midas and asked

1151
01:23:07,380 --> 01:23:12,120
for an estimate how much would it cost to build 20 parking spots directly behind the building.

1152
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:15,580
He came back with 89,500 for 20 spots.

1153
01:23:16,700 --> 01:23:19,620
Okay, then. So why are we giving the architect 29,000?

1154
01:23:20,740 --> 01:23:23,800
The architect is basing it off of the remaining funds.

1155
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,780
Again, off what?

1156
01:23:25,780 --> 01:23:32,600
of the remaining available funds to get a new architect in so he's just saying

1157
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:38,100
well you got money I need it yeah and and still like again he's they're

1158
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:42,760
estimating but don't you do that didn't you do that estimating yes and we can do

1159
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,280
that and you can't do the drawings we could but there's some surveying that's

1160
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,900
involved with this particular area of work we don't have the surveying it's

1161
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:54,980
open land no there's some areas where you can have to build and you

1162
01:23:56,260 --> 01:24:01,240
That's another thing, there's a retaining wall that the engineers are going to have to create.

1163
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,260
There's no wall there.

1164
01:24:03,580 --> 01:24:08,160
There's a slope in the back where they're proposing the parking space.

1165
01:24:08,620 --> 01:24:12,940
So they're going to have to do a retaining wall to elevate the water from eroding.

1166
01:24:13,060 --> 01:24:19,080
I'm not an engineer, but I did stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night and I guarantee you it doesn't cost $10,000 a spot.

1167
01:24:19,460 --> 01:24:20,180
There's no way.

1168
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,420
I know Mr. Walls, you and I have spoken about this.

1169
01:24:23,420 --> 01:24:27,100
I'm 100% for the parking spot, but not for this amount of money.

1170
01:24:27,580 --> 01:24:32,780
How did we come up with this engineer or contractor?

1171
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:41,260
We had a deadline, right, last year in December for the appropriations of the any ARPA monies?

1172
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:45,520
Yes, but this is a contingency fund, so it wouldn't increase anything.

1173
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:46,920
So these are ARPA funds?

1174
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:47,520
Yes, correct.

1175
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:52,840
But again, going back to Commissioner Hernandez, let's just say it does come out of $300,000.

1176
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:53,460
And then what are you going to do?

1177
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,020
I would reduce the scope of the parking

1178
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:58,480
and reduce the amount of parking spaces.

1179
01:24:58,980 --> 01:25:03,460
And so when we assigned these architects

1180
01:25:04,060 --> 01:25:07,320
and didn't we have a budget to go ahead and, you know,

1181
01:25:07,380 --> 01:25:08,940
let's say if they came in overpriced,

1182
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,540
we could go ahead and go on to the next.

1183
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:13,360
Not on this one.

1184
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:15,400
The contractor is already awarded, right?

1185
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,900
And he has continuity funds that we haven't used yet.

1186
01:25:19,020 --> 01:25:21,980
So we figured that we can use it in parking.

1187
01:25:21,980 --> 01:25:28,160
right so he gave an estimate of based off what's available on what he thinks but

1188
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,320
he still needs to design it and still come up the contractor still needs to

1189
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:38,140
give a good number of what it's going to be based off his design because this is

1190
01:25:38,140 --> 01:25:43,300
why I guess it's baffling me because Mr. Walls and I I'm a hundred percent for

1191
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:47,760
this project it's actually very easy there's a curve right there what they're

1192
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,300
going to do is they're going to cut a little bit into and the retaining wall

1193
01:25:51,300 --> 01:25:54,820
I don't see how it's that close, but that's fine. You want to call it the retaining wall

1194
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,200
No, it's already has a retaining wall right

1195
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:08,800
So they're gonna build what you're making a retaining wall for if it's a parking lot so that the water doesn't come correct

1196
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:16,540
It will you have tires. You're not gonna get wet. I mean it doesn't make every thing there. They're off site to keep the off-site erosion

1197
01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:18,760
Yeah, correct. I mean

1198
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:29,840
Nathan, what else can we do here? Can we go those contingency funds used for a separate bid or can we do with Midas a design build on this thing?

1199
01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:35,320
So we don't cut this. Let him get an architect and give us a package price.

1200
01:26:39,730 --> 01:26:49,750
You cannot you cannot go to a design build because you already have one contract and you've got the funds encumbered in that contract and it's inside the construction contract.

1201
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:59,110
What you can do, what you can do is you can find another architect and use the same methodology

1202
01:27:00,570 --> 01:27:06,470
that they're using to take those contingency funds out of the construction contract for

1203
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:07,150
another architect.

1204
01:27:07,370 --> 01:27:07,990
You could do that.

1205
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:08,810
Well, let me ask you this.

1206
01:27:09,070 --> 01:27:09,230
Okay.

1207
01:27:10,030 --> 01:27:13,770
Or like you suggested earlier, you can have the thing designed in-house.

1208
01:27:14,630 --> 01:27:18,750
Well, I mean, that's an option, but the other option is these are contingency funds,

1209
01:27:18,750 --> 01:27:23,490
right? They're going to be left over. We take them out of that project and create a new project.

1210
01:27:23,870 --> 01:27:29,850
You can't because I think once the commitment was made to use all the ARPA funds and commit

1211
01:27:29,850 --> 01:27:35,870
them, that happened in December of last year. We can always use those funds anywhere in

1212
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:41,970
the ARPA stuff. I don't think we can. I think they have to stay within each project.

1213
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:48,110
So because they're ARPA funds, we have to just say yes to $300,000?

1214
01:27:48,510 --> 01:27:49,530
No, no you don't.

1215
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:50,970
You don't have to use it.

1216
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:53,270
You can do a bunch of different things.

1217
01:27:53,290 --> 01:27:57,130
They can be used somewhere else in ARPA, and even non-ARPA.

1218
01:27:57,570 --> 01:28:00,590
That I would have to defer to Mr. Palacios with.

1219
01:28:01,950 --> 01:28:06,990
Again, I'm tired of being taken advantage of by these architects.

1220
01:28:07,290 --> 01:28:10,130
That's $29,000 to do 20 spaces.

1221
01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:14,970
Pretty much. And that includes also engineering, architectural engineering firm.

1222
01:28:15,570 --> 01:28:24,710
One other thing that I'm curious about is why you're using an architect to design a parking lot when that's usually the...

1223
01:28:24,710 --> 01:28:24,950
Civil?

1224
01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:26,210
Civil engineer.

1225
01:28:26,690 --> 01:28:29,170
He hires a civil since he's a prime civil engineer.

1226
01:28:29,470 --> 01:28:32,930
Just be the other way around. We need the civil. And if he needs an architect, then I'm fine.

1227
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:36,870
But George did all the parking lot at the thing. He didn't hire an architect.

1228
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:43,090
Well, he's, I think, looking at topside also to be the sub for him, to do the parking

1229
01:28:43,090 --> 01:28:44,930
area in that facility.

1230
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:48,690
Why not let Midas use topside by himself, or whoever?

1231
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:55,740
Can't you just ask Midas for, give me a design and build, I mean, and a bid?

1232
01:28:56,660 --> 01:29:01,660
It seems, well, seems that we're going to come in over budget, right?

1233
01:29:03,140 --> 01:29:04,240
Well, we're under budget now.

1234
01:29:04,420 --> 01:29:05,920
We're under budget, I'm sorry.

1235
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,800
We're within budget, I guess, right now.

1236
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:14,020
But we have friends or under budget. No, we're then we're within budget. So everything is good on this project

1237
01:29:14,020 --> 01:29:19,700
We just have some contingency funds that have not been used and we're trying to use them in some needed

1238
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:24,580
Project, which would be additional. Let's go to if if I'm you can

1239
01:29:24,580 --> 01:29:28,580
Nathan, let's just go to Midas and say give us a proposal

1240
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,260
And let him get an engineer

1241
01:29:32,980 --> 01:29:40,500
We need a proposal for an engineered parking lot. Here's the 20-speed you're going to come out with $209,000 you watch

1242
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,140
Okay, we can do that. All right

1243
01:29:44,620 --> 01:29:45,360
Do we table?

1244
01:29:47,570 --> 01:29:53,770
Well, that would be no action. We could just bring it back. But is that all right Nathan? I

1245
01:29:53,770 --> 01:29:54,670
Need to look at that

1246
01:29:54,670 --> 01:29:56,390
Motion to table

1247
01:29:58,030 --> 01:29:59,390
Motion next next meeting

1248
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,320
Label.

1249
01:30:11,050 --> 01:30:15,370
Discuss an impossible action to enter into a demolition agreement with Midas contractors

1250
01:30:15,370 --> 01:30:20,450
LLC for the demolition of improvements on county owned real property located at 918.

1251
01:30:20,710 --> 01:30:25,770
Motion to approve touch. And 920 Houston Street. Motion second. Any opposed?

1252
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:31,030
This will be awarded, we've already. Yes, we've got you and everything. Thank you.

1253
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:35,860
Pre-chall

1254
01:30:35,860 --> 01:30:42,120
services. Discuss an impossible action to approve the 2025-2026 formula grant indigent

1255
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,620
Defence Resolution and do authorize a Webb County judge to sign all relevant

1256
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:51,200
Opportunity to approve for a minute. Yeah, he left motion second. Any opposed?

1257
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:53,060
Any opposed?

1258
01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:56,140
Motion carries very good

1259
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:58,040
item

1260
01:30:59,620 --> 01:31:00,140
22

1261
01:31:01,340 --> 01:31:05,640
Discussing this purchasing discussion impossible action to accept the rankings in the award

1262
01:31:06,180 --> 01:31:10,440
Uh, 20 25 dash if y'all could just wait on the motions, please on this one

1263
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:15,700
Web County GPS tracking devices and high-ranking respond respondent

1264
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,200
Acquitting total security LLC

1265
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:23,680
Judge I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and move a motion. I

1266
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:31,000
I've already got into this extensively the only the only one that is from Laredo is monarch trucking and

1267
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,200
Monarch trucking tracking. I'm sorry monarch tracking and

1268
01:31:34,940 --> 01:31:38,760
They they're the only ones here locally if we're gonna do this in-house

1269
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,820
I think there needs to be somewhere. We could just take them in and out. They're

1270
01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:50,760
Absolutely incredible. We all haven't seen what they could do. It actually comes out a little cheaper like about 51 cents cheaper

1271
01:31:52,020 --> 01:31:57,300
Is that correct Joe 51 cents cheaper than the highest one the thing about it is that also

1272
01:31:58,380 --> 01:31:58,840
Monarch

1273
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:03,440
tracking also has three levels that we could go into I think the base levels

1274
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:04,880
was 1999.

1275
01:32:07,060 --> 01:32:10,880
And then it goes all the way up to like $26. Is that correct, Joe? I think

1276
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:11,840
I remember looking at it.

1277
01:32:14,420 --> 01:32:19,760
Judge, and I was just looking at this and those re-ranking, I mean, looking at-

1278
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,120
But they're not from the only ones?

1279
01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:26,380
No, I understand. And, you know, I usually like to give the locals a chance. But what

1280
01:32:26,380 --> 01:32:31,920
I'm concerned about is the reoccurring subscription. Because the one-time fee is no, you know,

1281
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:37,460
is not the problem. It's what you're going to pay annually. Now, you have a rank here,

1282
01:32:37,580 --> 01:32:43,140
but we don't have access to those reoccurring fees. And it may be 50 cents could be 25 cents

1283
01:32:43,140 --> 01:32:50,080
could be a dollar. But I noticed you have forward thinking systems is ranked on a clamp

1284
01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:58,100
wireless or column is 19. You got 19 out of 20 points forward got 17. Then 18 mobility

1285
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:06,920
and who else? And Katie in total. So I just wanted to know if you have the documents there,

1286
01:33:07,380 --> 01:33:10,780
what's the difference in the reoccurring fee? Because that's what we're going to pay every year,

1287
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,440
and it's $20,000, $30,000, $100,000 difference.

1288
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,040
Judge and commissioners, good morning. Joe Lopez for the record purchasing agent.

1289
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:25,180
Commissioner, on that, I would need more time to come back and give more detail on the pricing.

1290
01:33:25,180 --> 01:33:31,100
But on the judge's note, aside from Monarch being locally, they did provide in their proposal

1291
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:32,160
a fixed fee.

1292
01:33:32,260 --> 01:33:35,480
And I think the base rate there was right under $20.

1293
01:33:36,180 --> 01:33:37,500
Yeah, but you gave them a fourth point.

1294
01:33:38,420 --> 01:33:42,960
Not you, but the scoring committee gave them a 14 out of 20.

1295
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:44,340
Yeah.

1296
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:45,280
And a 25 on that.

1297
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:45,540
Right.

1298
01:33:45,740 --> 01:33:50,940
And the wages go anywhere from $20 all the way to $100, depending on the packages.

1299
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:55,160
But on your point, Commissioner, I think that's a good point.

1300
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,820
one of the concerns I have, too, that when we start getting to the terms and the quantities

1301
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:03,940
and all that, and all those other factors, but I will tell you, Monarch is providing

1302
01:34:03,940 --> 01:34:04,600
a fixed rate.

1303
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:09,480
I read, well, again, but is somebody else giving a fixed rate, a cheaper fixed rate?

1304
01:34:10,440 --> 01:34:14,580
But if you want more of an analysis, I'll be happy to come back, but I think we need

1305
01:34:14,580 --> 01:34:14,700
it.

1306
01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:14,940
I think.

1307
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,900
And again, the scoring system, I don't understand.

1308
01:34:18,900 --> 01:34:24,800
So you have price-per-unit recurring fees and stuff and a total of 25 points,

1309
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:26,920
yet the highest person only gets a 19.

1310
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:31,860
We have an evaluation committee?

1311
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:37,460
I understand, but I think there needs to be some review of that evaluation

1312
01:34:37,460 --> 01:34:41,780
and how you're instructing them to or whoever is on how they're instructing

1313
01:34:41,780 --> 01:34:46,720
because you would think the person that has the best is going to get the most points

1314
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,160
and then down.

1315
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:54,440
But if you're still the best and you don't even get the top number of points, it makes

1316
01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:55,020
me suspicious.

1317
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:00,340
If I may judge, I agree with the judge.

1318
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:08,880
I think that there has to be something that separates local vendors from out-of-town vendors.

1319
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:14,580
I think in general, I think there's an added value there because we're keeping

1320
01:35:14,580 --> 01:35:22,240
in Web County tax dollars here in Web County, and I guess the item here specifically, it

1321
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:32,540
refers to possibly 777 moving county vehicles. I think there has to be a relevance between

1322
01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:37,840
having a local person that could go ahead and attend to any of the issues because

1323
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:45,800
if I was informed correctly, I think that the system is not just a GPS system, but it

1324
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:51,820
comes with the ability to go ahead and monitor the speed of the vehicles, the routes that

1325
01:35:51,820 --> 01:35:59,960
they're taking. And when we're seeing, I guess on occasion, a high number of vehicles

1326
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:06,560
and settlements that we're agreeing to, I think it's going to make driving here

1327
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:13,180
and Web County safer because now we're monitoring and keeping accountability to the driver and

1328
01:36:13,180 --> 01:36:20,660
we're giving that public assurance that they're not deviating from work that they should be

1329
01:36:20,660 --> 01:36:27,940
doing or spending time or et cetera, right? But monitoring the speed is, to me, I guess,

1330
01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:33,100
the interest in this investment. So I'll go ahead and second the judge's motion on

1331
01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:37,440
and re-ranking Monarch tracking to number one.

1332
01:36:37,980 --> 01:36:41,100
Well, again, I have no problem with GPS.

1333
01:36:41,420 --> 01:36:43,360
I think we've talked about this sometimes,

1334
01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:48,180
but, and I have, we usually, like I said,

1335
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,740
we've done it before, it's acceptable to do within 10%

1336
01:36:53,380 --> 01:36:56,620
for local, I think that's a good number.

1337
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:58,880
But I don't know, is it 10%?

1338
01:36:59,460 --> 01:37:00,400
Is it 20%?

1339
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:05,440
Well, it doesn't tell us let me ask you so we move the motion right now all we're

1340
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:10,940
going to do is go into a contract like we're going to try to get into a contract

1341
01:37:10,940 --> 01:37:16,360
agreement is that correct if I may it doesn't work out then we could bring

1342
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:21,100
this back if I may add to that this delivery method that was used we still

1343
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:25,900
have to have the authority to request best and final offer to negotiate we

1344
01:37:25,900 --> 01:37:29,760
still have to approve the contract and everything so yes we don't like it we

1345
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:30,960
We can go ahead and cancel it out.

1346
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,460
We can return with those details prior to executing the contract.

1347
01:37:34,460 --> 01:37:38,780
Well, I mean, what I would like is the details to say, you know, all right, you know, maybe

1348
01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:43,920
the one negotiating point would be, hey, your reoccurring fee, can you, can you come down

1349
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:44,280
a dollar?

1350
01:37:44,540 --> 01:37:44,840
You know, whatever.

1351
01:37:45,140 --> 01:37:46,760
That's even, we would have been number one.

1352
01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:47,740
Yeah.

1353
01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:51,140
So, so if you're going to rank monarch one, who's two?

1354
01:37:52,580 --> 01:37:54,060
You might as well do one, two and three.

1355
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:58,140
or then I'll just leave it out to Katie and Calabra.

1356
01:37:58,160 --> 01:37:59,360
And I will, for the public,

1357
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,960
in my 11 years that I have been County Judge,

1358
01:38:02,140 --> 01:38:04,680
I think this is like probably my third time

1359
01:38:05,090 --> 01:38:08,580
that I've ever re-ranked the proposal.

1360
01:38:09,340 --> 01:38:11,700
I just, I know this,

1361
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:14,400
well, it's not even the individual.

1362
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,220
It's what he's done, a company.

1363
01:38:16,420 --> 01:38:17,200
I mean, it's all over the,

1364
01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:18,700
I mean, he's putting commercials out.

1365
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,060
It's really, really impressive and incredible.

1366
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:22,700
And more than anything beyond that,

1367
01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:27,740
I think what's more impressive is that or what we really need is that we could be here locally

1368
01:38:27,740 --> 01:38:33,060
They don't have to be responsible to be taking response time. We don't have to be taking our vehicles, too

1369
01:38:33,060 --> 01:38:34,740
I don't know where I don't even know where I

1370
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,140
Cadian total. I don't know they're gonna be coming all the time

1371
01:38:40,140 --> 01:38:42,460
They're gonna be charging us every time they come down

1372
01:38:42,460 --> 01:38:48,120
These are the kind of questions that are really big and that's what starts help. That's what starts hurting us after a while

1373
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,220
So and that should have been taken into the ranking that should have been taken consideration

1374
01:38:52,220 --> 01:38:56,860
That's why I'm very rare, like I said, on 11 years, this might be my third time ever

1375
01:38:56,860 --> 01:38:57,440
doing this.

1376
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:58,880
And so...

1377
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:05,880
I know, Commissioner, I came up with a list of 772 vehicles or something that Newen County,

1378
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:09,840
which to me seems crazy, because that's one for every two people that we have in their

1379
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:10,200
employment.

1380
01:39:10,540 --> 01:39:16,120
And I will say that if we do, when we bring this back and we finalize the contract,

1381
01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:19,020
I will be stipulating this for everybody to know.

1382
01:39:19,020 --> 01:39:25,640
this is for every vehicle of the county owns anything that's under the

1383
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:29,440
insurance of the county this will be for every vehicle there's not going to be

1384
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:32,560
any exceptions because I'm already hearing that oh I don't want this vehicle

1385
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,180
out no no no no it's not the way it works it's for every vehicle this is

1386
01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:38,800
going to cover our bases all the way through we're going to make this kind

1387
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:44,980
of expense we're going to cover every vehicle yes sir very well but if you

1388
01:39:44,980 --> 01:39:51,540
could get us those numbers, I mean, just to, I can say, if it 25 cents, 50 cents, you know,

1389
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,960
it's not a big deal. But if it's a couple of dollars, I mean, they need to know to be

1390
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:56,520
able to negotiate.

1391
01:39:56,860 --> 01:40:01,680
Yes, sir. We'll bring that back prior to the court finalizing the execution of the contract.

1392
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:05,540
Give it to whoever's negotiating with Nathan or whoever. He needs those numbers.

1393
01:40:05,980 --> 01:40:06,580
He needs all those numbers.

1394
01:40:06,580 --> 01:40:07,840
I'll work with legal on this. Yes, sir.

1395
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:10,720
Very good. I have a motion. I have a second. Any other questions, comments?

1396
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:17,200
This is to put monarch tracking first and then Acadian total security LLC number two, and then obviously

1397
01:40:18,460 --> 01:40:24,160
Yeah, and on the order other than monarch. I have a motion. I have a second. Any questions comments? Any opposed

1398
01:40:25,460 --> 01:40:28,480
Motion carries if you all do not would not mind I

1399
01:40:29,620 --> 01:40:32,680
Don't know how it works when it's table to stable. They have to bring the table back

1400
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:39,000
Yeah, we it's table time certain table time time certain time sensitive or time certain how we get them both time certain

1401
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:47,740
because okay I just got a text right now basically saying that what we just

1402
01:40:47,740 --> 01:40:52,960
tabled it says that October 2025 no counties are exempt from this mandate

1403
01:40:52,960 --> 01:41:00,780
mandate but it's not until 2026 25 that's what I just got so if somebody

1404
01:41:00,780 --> 01:41:05,160
one of the my legal minds could look into this please as soon as possible

1405
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,800
before the meetings over you text okay because I would not want to be in a

1406
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:13,420
situation where we're going to be thinking it's 2026 and it's 2025 of October. So this

1407
01:41:13,420 --> 01:41:19,180
will be the last meeting of October. So please look into that. All right, let's move on.

1408
01:41:19,740 --> 01:41:29,620
Item 23 and 28, House 22. This would be 23 risk management discussing the possible action

1409
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:35,080
to renew the Webb County Stop Loss Assumptions and Caveats Agreement of the Aetna and selecting

1410
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:41,700
in renewal option 1 for the performance period of January 1st, 2026, December 31st, 2026 as

1411
01:41:41,700 --> 01:41:46,240
recommended by Webb County's insurance consultant in authorizing the Webb County Civil Legal

1412
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:47,940
Division to review the renewal agreements.

1413
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:49,060
Hi.

1414
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:50,040
Hi, good morning.

1415
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:51,220
You should have saved me.

1416
01:41:53,780 --> 01:41:57,540
We don't even have a hospital consultant, do we?

1417
01:41:58,380 --> 01:41:59,280
I mean, the legal consultant.

1418
01:41:59,820 --> 01:42:02,720
We have our consultant here and...

1419
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:03,640
No, I don't know.

1420
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:04,420
But I'm saying the legal...

1421
01:42:04,420 --> 01:42:08,880
legal consultant because it says having legal review what are they going to

1422
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:13,800
review if they don't you don't deal with with health care every day right you

1423
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:17,860
don't know what you're leaving out come on up you're good come on up good

1424
01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:27,020
morning morning how is everybody today well so far so good yeah it's been fun

1425
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:31,000
all right let's go ahead hub international for the record excuse me

1426
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,060
Elizabeth with hub international very good miss Liz

1427
01:42:35,620 --> 01:42:38,600
Go ahead and I guess any questions on this

1428
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,300
So we don't even know what that we are

1429
01:42:42,980 --> 01:42:51,820
Introducing the stop loss the consultative is recommending to increase the stop loss as it was approved previously by commissures court from 225 to 250

1430
01:42:52,660 --> 01:42:57,320
Etna was able to reduce their premium from 24 percent to a

1431
01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:58,520
15.8

1432
01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:05,640
So it is within a budget and we just need the court to approve renewal option 1.

1433
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,760
So it went from 20 to 50?

1434
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,860
No, from 225 to 250.

1435
01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:12,800
250,000.

1436
01:43:13,480 --> 01:43:16,400
Very well, motion to approve.

1437
01:43:17,460 --> 01:43:18,100
I'll second it.

1438
01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:18,820
Motion seconds.

1439
01:43:18,820 --> 01:43:19,360
Any opposed?

1440
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:21,700
Motion carries.

1441
01:43:21,940 --> 01:43:22,380
Thank you.

1442
01:43:22,980 --> 01:43:23,760
Appreciate it, Joe.

1443
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:28,440
Water utilities discussion of possible actions to proceed with task number 1.

1444
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:33,220
scope of work will include consultant focusing on personnel and resources to

1445
01:43:33,220 --> 01:43:37,600
assistant county staff and technician operational maintenance design concerns

1446
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,460
and as well as preparation for the county commissioners court

1447
01:43:41,460 --> 01:43:51,190
presentation on task number two scope well you are doing good morning

1448
01:43:51,190 --> 01:43:52,570
any Georgian commissioners.

1449
01:43:54,740 --> 01:43:55,980
Cabe, let's work with utilities.

1450
01:43:58,600 --> 01:43:59,900
Come on up.

1451
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,160
Good morning, Georgian commissioners.

1452
01:44:03,060 --> 01:44:05,960
So, task number one is going to be staff augmentation,

1453
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,820
on-call services, technical support,

1454
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,900
and operational support to the plant staff.

1455
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,680
And task number two is going to encounter updating the SOPs

1456
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:18,520
from A through Z at the plant to make sure that we're,

1457
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,200
you know, more efficient and that we're compliant

1458
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,460
with everything per GCEQs.

1459
01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:31,700
What's the time line on so the task number one is on call. It's time of material so we're

1460
01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:36,540
not even you know as much as they need us will be there so that's for the duration you

1461
01:44:36,540 --> 01:44:41,760
know till we take over the funds. Task number two we we're looking at wrapping it up by

1462
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:48,260
February of next year. We'll take the first two months to assess the plants operationally

1463
01:44:48,260 --> 01:44:52,080
Make some quick adjustments. I know our biggest issues are DBPs at the plants

1464
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:56,240
So we're going to tackle that first and and by the quarter the first quarter of next year

1465
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:59,880
We should have a resolution for that and and bring it down

1466
01:45:00,370 --> 01:45:05,890
I guess in plain English. In the next four months we'll have the SOPs updated.

1467
01:45:06,430 --> 01:45:09,630
All right. And then let me ask, have the sludge pits been taken care of?

1468
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:10,550
What?

1469
01:45:10,910 --> 01:45:12,910
The sludge pits have they been taken care of?

1470
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:14,690
No, commissioner.

1471
01:45:16,530 --> 01:45:17,750
Oh, what's the problem?

1472
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:30,390
Well, I spoke with Mr. Quayer and this week we will have the meeting for the notice to

1473
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:30,610
proceed.

1474
01:45:31,490 --> 01:45:31,710
What?

1475
01:45:32,330 --> 01:45:34,830
The notice to proceed.

1476
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:37,050
Now are you aware of what we're doing there?

1477
01:45:37,290 --> 01:45:37,590
Yes.

1478
01:45:38,130 --> 01:45:44,290
So ideally at the plan you'll need a solid handling facility, a solid handling facility

1479
01:45:44,290 --> 01:45:50,110
And that would be a press to basically dewater all the solids that will be produced from the water plant.

1480
01:45:51,210 --> 01:45:55,630
And then just haul them off instead of having them sitting at the drying bed.

1481
01:45:56,390 --> 01:46:01,870
So there's some improvements related to the recycle system to the solids handling coming up at the water plant.

1482
01:46:02,330 --> 01:46:03,630
If I may touch.

1483
01:46:03,930 --> 01:46:04,230
Yes, please.

1484
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:12,930
Can you include in your assessment, I guess, a plan so we won't have to contract out for

1485
01:46:12,930 --> 01:46:16,310
the sludge that we did, and that way we could.

1486
01:46:16,510 --> 01:46:17,390
That's what he just said, right?

1487
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:17,850
Yeah.

1488
01:46:18,210 --> 01:46:19,290
They're going to put in a press machine.

1489
01:46:19,530 --> 01:46:23,050
Yeah, a press machine, and then it'll be much easier to transport that to, you don't

1490
01:46:23,050 --> 01:46:23,930
have to dredge or anything.

1491
01:46:24,530 --> 01:46:30,710
You just transport dry sludge like you do for wastewater to the landfill, I think

1492
01:46:30,710 --> 01:46:31,130
essentially.

1493
01:46:31,130 --> 01:46:33,130
Yeah, because, like I said, this is...

1494
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:34,950
Yeah, it was a little expensive.

1495
01:46:35,290 --> 01:46:36,290
Well, not only expensive.

1496
01:46:36,690 --> 01:46:41,990
I mean, what bugs me is that, you know, that was one of the first things I did when I came in.

1497
01:46:42,450 --> 01:46:47,890
We addressed that problem and we talked about, you know, how to prevent that from the future.

1498
01:46:48,150 --> 01:46:52,490
You know, obviously, you know, yearly maintenance, vacuum trucks, you know, it was very simple.

1499
01:46:53,870 --> 01:47:00,010
and then we I know there's a lot of transition between those these years that

1500
01:47:00,010 --> 01:47:05,190
have passed but so we just don't want to have that happen again where we come you

1501
01:47:05,190 --> 01:47:07,870
know five ten years down the road and saying all right now we got to drain the

1502
01:47:07,870 --> 01:47:11,950
such bits and now it's a million dollars I mean it's crazy yeah and those

1503
01:47:11,950 --> 01:47:15,970
things are designed to where you could get a tractor in there you know so I

1504
01:47:15,970 --> 01:47:20,010
mean skid steer or whatever you know you drain the pond let it dry and you

1505
01:47:20,010 --> 01:47:24,010
I mean, even if you haul it out of there, and like you said,

1506
01:47:24,050 --> 01:47:25,630
but the press will help a lot.

1507
01:47:26,490 --> 01:47:29,770
So it's going to be the press process will be in line then.

1508
01:47:30,030 --> 01:47:31,270
So you'll never use a sledge bit.

1509
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:32,050
Correct.

1510
01:47:32,530 --> 01:47:33,530
You'll eliminate sledge bit.

1511
01:47:33,670 --> 01:47:33,870
All right.

1512
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:34,850
Very good.

1513
01:47:35,390 --> 01:47:35,810
Appreciate it, Joe.

1514
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:36,650
So moved.

1515
01:47:37,010 --> 01:47:37,230
Second.

1516
01:47:37,630 --> 01:47:38,030
Any opposed?

1517
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:39,590
Motion carries.

1518
01:47:39,770 --> 01:47:41,310
Now, I'll go on back onto the table.

1519
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:41,850
Thank you.

1520
01:47:42,450 --> 01:47:44,050
I'd like to thank you all very much.

1521
01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:48,710
I just got, so it's not till December 1st,

1522
01:47:48,710 --> 01:47:50,430
I'm reading the bill right here.

1523
01:47:50,970 --> 01:47:52,570
Okay, so we still have a little time.

1524
01:47:52,970 --> 01:47:53,590
Thank you.

1525
01:47:55,950 --> 01:47:56,910
Thank you.

1526
01:47:57,050 --> 01:47:57,310
Thank you.

1527
01:47:57,850 --> 01:47:58,230
I'm very good.

1528
01:47:59,470 --> 01:48:02,610
So it's the 2026 December 1st.

1529
01:48:02,850 --> 01:48:04,570
All right, water utilities, that was it.

1530
01:48:05,010 --> 01:48:06,550
Commissioner's Court discussing the possible actions

1531
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:08,590
to enter into an architectural service agreement

1532
01:48:10,050 --> 01:48:11,990
in B10-2017

1533
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:13,130
standard form

1534
01:48:13,130 --> 01:48:14,550
of agreement between owner and architect

1535
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:16,230
with Stephen Land.

1536
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:23,190
to land to solicit architect PLC for plan specifications as mentioned

1537
01:48:23,190 --> 01:48:26,990
contract construction administration services for the Web County Courthouse

1538
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:32,070
rehabilitation project and the amounts not to exceed six hundred eighty five

1539
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:36,930
thousand dollars all right morning let's hear it good morning

1540
01:48:36,930 --> 01:48:42,710
you do judge commissioners doing well yourself judge this is it one of those

1541
01:48:42,710 --> 01:48:48,070
Again, I have a little heartburn with, and you know, I know there's some inflation built

1542
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:54,050
into the price already, and what's even more concerning is we're waiting on grants.

1543
01:48:55,510 --> 01:49:01,430
And so we don't know if we're going to get a grant, and so we're committing to a price

1544
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:04,450
without knowing we're going to get it.

1545
01:49:05,850 --> 01:49:07,970
And so I don't know how we do it otherwise.

1546
01:49:08,350 --> 01:49:09,030
Yeah, I'm sorry.

1547
01:49:09,150 --> 01:49:10,070
I didn't mean to interrupt, Mr.

1548
01:49:10,630 --> 01:49:11,230
No, I'm just saying.

1549
01:49:11,230 --> 01:49:13,830
So there's got to be another way to skin this cat.

1550
01:49:13,950 --> 01:49:14,570
How can we do it?

1551
01:49:16,570 --> 01:49:21,090
Well, first of all, the work is really, truly needed.

1552
01:49:22,050 --> 01:49:27,330
And I believe that the pricing that we're looking at now

1553
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:30,770
is the best ballpark we have at the moment

1554
01:49:30,770 --> 01:49:34,770
before we get a contractor to take a look at it,

1555
01:49:35,670 --> 01:49:38,450
how prices are and the supply and everything like that.

1556
01:49:38,530 --> 01:49:40,070
So it's difficult to manage.

1557
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:46,590
But let me just say that the way that the grant works is that it's on a reimbursement

1558
01:49:46,590 --> 01:49:46,950
basis.

1559
01:49:47,890 --> 01:49:58,210
So you have to, the county would need to earmark or dedicate the fund, the full funding before

1560
01:49:58,210 --> 01:50:00,750
you can actually be accepted.

1561
01:50:00,970 --> 01:50:01,530
They need to know.

1562
01:50:01,530 --> 01:50:04,250
It has to be 95, also 95% complete.

1563
01:50:04,770 --> 01:50:05,250
Yes.

1564
01:50:05,870 --> 01:50:09,470
And in order to be reimbursed by March of 2026, is that correct?

1565
01:50:09,470 --> 01:50:18,970
No, it's only for the construction. The reimbursement is only for construction and only for architectural

1566
01:50:18,970 --> 01:50:23,310
services insofar as it's during aiding the construction.

1567
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:29,490
Yeah, but the financial plans need to be submitted to the THC by the March 13, 2026.

1568
01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:36,810
Yes, yes, the final 100% plans. So the big deadlines are first we can February for

1569
01:50:36,810 --> 01:50:44,850
95% and then the the first week in March for I'm sorry April for okay so

1570
01:50:44,850 --> 01:50:49,750
a hundred percent what if this gets passed with this would these dates be

1571
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:54,010
any problems no where are you at right now with no no we're actually we're

1572
01:50:54,010 --> 01:50:58,530
submitting a simple way we've been working on this project we want to keep

1573
01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:02,990
it moving so we're submitting two weeks from today will be submitting us a

1574
01:51:02,990 --> 01:51:07,850
of schematic design 100% that will be reviewed by the Historic Commission.

1575
01:51:08,570 --> 01:51:09,250
100%.

1576
01:51:09,250 --> 01:51:17,210
That's that, well, the completion of schematic design because in addition to having to have

1577
01:51:17,210 --> 01:51:26,830
the 95% and the 100% reviewed by the Historic Commission, they want to be able to see progress

1578
01:51:26,830 --> 01:51:34,790
at least up to design development prior to that so that they can weigh in.

1579
01:51:34,930 --> 01:51:40,090
So we have scheduled at this point an advanced schematic design project

1580
01:51:40,090 --> 01:51:43,290
that really defines all of the work that needs to be done

1581
01:51:43,290 --> 01:51:48,270
so that really the important things that they're going to be looking at,

1582
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:51,350
the character defining features, you know,

1583
01:51:52,030 --> 01:51:56,070
they want to make sure that the design is headed in the right direction.

1584
01:51:56,690 --> 01:52:04,070
They're not going to care, you know, how much in how many tons of air conditioning we're having to replace or things like that.

1585
01:52:04,230 --> 01:52:09,730
They want to make sure that the historic fabric is being cared for.

1586
01:52:10,010 --> 01:52:17,270
I guess for the public's sake and I'm going to act like I have no clue on what you're talking about, which some parts I do not.

1587
01:52:17,670 --> 01:52:24,430
And so exactly we're going to pay almost $700,000 to refurbish the courthouse.

1588
01:52:24,430 --> 01:52:29,250
or what exactly will we be making you of?

1589
01:52:29,470 --> 01:52:32,050
Like the windows, the doors, what are we doing?

1590
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:33,390
For the public's sake.

1591
01:52:33,550 --> 01:52:37,650
It's preservation work on virtually every window

1592
01:52:37,650 --> 01:52:41,850
and most of the doors on the exterior.

1593
01:52:42,730 --> 01:52:45,610
And you've got 116 windows.

1594
01:52:46,650 --> 01:52:50,070
And about half of them are in pretty bad shape,

1595
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:51,610
especially on the third floor.

1596
01:52:51,610 --> 01:52:54,430
and where you get, they're just falling apart.

1597
01:52:55,050 --> 01:52:58,950
Some of it is actually not just the historic windows

1598
01:52:58,950 --> 01:53:02,990
from 1999, it's also windows that were replaced

1599
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:06,430
that just haven't, you know, in 1997,

1600
01:53:07,390 --> 01:53:08,810
but just haven't been maintained.

1601
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:11,890
So there is a lot of labor intensive,

1602
01:53:12,150 --> 01:53:14,310
expensive, skilled work that has to be done

1603
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:15,030
for the windows.

1604
01:53:15,850 --> 01:53:19,230
All the masonry, we have deterioration

1605
01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:22,930
of limestone cornice in a number of places.

1606
01:53:23,670 --> 01:53:26,130
We had deterioration of the limestone incest.

1607
01:53:26,450 --> 01:53:27,730
That all has to be done.

1608
01:53:28,630 --> 01:53:31,650
The bisonry itself is about 30 to 40%.

1609
01:53:31,650 --> 01:53:33,430
Needs to be repointed.

1610
01:53:34,150 --> 01:53:35,370
Needs to be cleaned.

1611
01:53:36,850 --> 01:53:37,970
There's scaffolding.

1612
01:53:38,190 --> 01:53:40,610
You have to go up for different trades.

1613
01:53:41,010 --> 01:53:43,490
There's a lot of expense to just getting that done.

1614
01:53:43,590 --> 01:53:45,690
And then all of the interior floors.

1615
01:53:45,690 --> 01:53:46,970
I was about to say the floor.

1616
01:53:46,970 --> 01:53:49,770
Freshly got all the floors, walls, ceilings.

1617
01:53:49,930 --> 01:53:51,030
The third floor is really bad.

1618
01:53:51,410 --> 01:53:52,310
Yes, yes.

1619
01:53:54,010 --> 01:53:57,630
Lalo's white hair is not actually white from his, from old age.

1620
01:53:57,770 --> 01:54:00,750
It's actually from the Kali chair and the dirt that comes in from his windows.

1621
01:54:03,250 --> 01:54:04,630
I have a question.

1622
01:54:05,090 --> 01:54:07,990
What is this contract or proposal any different?

1623
01:54:08,570 --> 01:54:11,790
Because you have an existing contract in agreement, right?

1624
01:54:11,790 --> 01:54:19,330
I mean the contract is for estimating only at this point and so the the first estimate was

1625
01:54:19,330 --> 01:54:24,270
That we was done about a year and a half ago has been updated to

1626
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:26,170
What is the present?

1627
01:54:26,930 --> 01:54:34,410
Best rough order of magnitude, you know make sure that we're in the ballpark something manageable

1628
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:38,450
Again, I still have the heartburn on

1629
01:54:39,530 --> 01:54:45,810
You know, why you, you know, the amount of work that you're performing shouldn't be based

1630
01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:47,050
on somebody else's price.

1631
01:54:48,970 --> 01:54:55,230
You know, because if you did the same job four years ago, it'd probably be half this

1632
01:54:55,230 --> 01:54:55,490
number.

1633
01:54:56,410 --> 01:55:02,610
And you're doing the same work, but since inflation, prices going up or, you know,

1634
01:55:02,730 --> 01:55:06,470
one window may cost $1,000 or it may cost $5,000.

1635
01:55:08,490 --> 01:55:16,590
You're just designing the window profile you're saying here is this historic window it's got to be a double-hung sliding window with you know I

1636
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:25,290
Did that kind of work for a while so I understand and you know there's limited number of people out there that would make that window

1637
01:55:26,930 --> 01:55:33,690
But so the price goes up and you get a benefit and it's not right for me you know they're saying

1638
01:55:33,690 --> 01:55:40,310
I mean, for the county thing to do that, and you already included a 15 percent inflationary

1639
01:55:40,930 --> 01:55:46,210
cost in your estimate, and I was like, why do you benefit from that?

1640
01:55:46,690 --> 01:55:53,050
Well, I, my answer to that is that, you know, everybody's costs go up as well.

1641
01:55:53,530 --> 01:55:53,890
Let's see.

1642
01:55:54,290 --> 01:55:55,970
I mean, your workload doesn't go up.

1643
01:55:56,450 --> 01:55:59,870
It was certainly getting, you know, making sure that there's skilled people working

1644
01:55:59,870 --> 01:56:02,370
on it and subcontracting some of the soldiers.

1645
01:56:02,370 --> 01:56:05,590
You have but it five years ago. I know

1646
01:56:07,570 --> 01:56:11,710
It's something that costs five hundred dollars five years ago is now a thousand dollars

1647
01:56:11,710 --> 01:56:16,030
He said well, I'm gonna I'm gonna make more money because it costs a thousand dollars now

1648
01:56:16,030 --> 01:56:19,510
And by the time we finish, you know, maybe the windows double

1649
01:56:20,510 --> 01:56:26,550
Well labor goes up again, you know, there's things there's things from a just about professional

1650
01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:37,710
of community business, that there's costs that go up for us as well. I'm not trying

1651
01:56:37,710 --> 01:56:44,710
to say that it's absolute, that it's 10 percent, but it's based upon really looking at what

1652
01:56:44,710 --> 01:56:51,450
are all of the other fees for the consultants that need to be involved with this, and putting

1653
01:56:51,450 --> 01:56:53,790
that together as a complete package.

1654
01:56:55,350 --> 01:57:01,550
I am concerned. I just have a question. Excuse me, your commission. Mr. James Flores. Is this

1655
01:57:01,550 --> 01:57:05,850
time sensitive? And I guess my question is to you if we do not pass this right now, Mr.

1656
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:12,990
Tillson, if you don't mind. Can you share with us a little bit about what your concerns are?

1657
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:17,470
Honorable Judge, Honorable Commissioners, James Flores, for the record, economic development.

1658
01:57:17,470 --> 01:57:28,470
Yes, this is very time sensitive, we need to be able to have this master plan, the draft

1659
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:37,270
of it 95% complete and submitted by the 23rd of January 2026 for us to get maximum points

1660
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:38,030
as shovel ready.

1661
01:57:38,490 --> 01:57:42,810
And we're going to need every point we can get so that we are competitive and do the

1662
01:57:42,810 --> 01:57:44,690
best we can to ensure we get funded.

1663
01:57:44,690 --> 01:57:55,570
How likely is it that we're going to be awarded this grant and if we're not awarded that means

1664
01:57:55,570 --> 01:58:01,630
we're getting I guess the design built cost I guess from the general fund?

1665
01:58:02,230 --> 01:58:05,970
Sure, before you give your opinion I'd like to give them mine.

1666
01:58:06,890 --> 01:58:13,350
So back in the 90s when the renovation was going on we were probably the only courthouse that

1667
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:19,850
actually paid full for the construction and the renovation of this courthouse versus you

1668
01:58:19,850 --> 01:58:24,730
know that's when Barbara Bruce came on she was first lady of Texas she was you know governor's

1669
01:58:24,730 --> 01:58:33,210
wife and so she after that then they started having all these these grants to be able to

1670
01:58:33,210 --> 01:58:37,510
do all over the state of Texas so if you ask me what my thought process and I hope that I'm

1671
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:42,170
correct that I think they're gonna give us pretty much everything because we were the only

1672
01:58:42,170 --> 01:58:44,930
ones that did not pay during those 90s. Am I correct by saying that?

1673
01:58:47,110 --> 01:58:52,330
With grants, there's no guarantees. There's no guarantees whatsoever. However, we want

1674
01:58:52,330 --> 01:58:58,890
to be able to maximize our opportunities by putting in the best product we can on time.

1675
01:58:59,510 --> 01:59:05,210
And is there any criteria? How do they score them, judge them, whatever?

1676
01:59:05,950 --> 01:59:09,930
Yes, they have. They provide everything that we need. The scoring break down.

1677
01:59:09,930 --> 01:59:14,770
I'm saying, when it goes in for the submittal for the grant, how do they decide yes or no?

1678
01:59:15,330 --> 01:59:25,010
Well, they go through a series of items, they have a listing of how they will score it,

1679
01:59:25,290 --> 01:59:32,270
and so we can review that and try to maximize on each of the different items and do our

1680
01:59:32,270 --> 01:59:35,350
best to be able to submit the most competitive application.

1681
01:59:35,830 --> 01:59:38,070
This has to be submitted by Mark, right?

1682
01:59:38,230 --> 01:59:38,610
Okay.

1683
01:59:38,610 --> 01:59:40,690
You have a February deadline and then a March deadline?

1684
01:59:40,890 --> 01:59:44,710
The 95% draft needs to be submitted by March for us

1685
01:59:44,710 --> 01:59:46,750
to maximize our points as shovel ready.

1686
01:59:47,330 --> 01:59:49,870
But it needs to be to be, I mean by January,

1687
01:59:50,410 --> 01:59:54,430
by March we need to submit the final one, March 13th.

1688
01:59:54,610 --> 01:59:55,870
And then they'll look at it.

1689
01:59:55,890 --> 01:59:57,090
January when?

1690
01:59:57,490 --> 01:59:59,830
January 23rd, we have to submit

1691
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,220
95% complete the draft for it to be considered shovel ready to get maximum points. And then

1692
02:00:09,220 --> 02:00:14,780
on May 8th is that's when the grant application is due. But we can't do anything until we have

1693
02:00:14,780 --> 02:00:24,220
a approved master plan. Now I do want to note that as part of the grant, as part of the budget

1694
02:00:24,220 --> 02:00:32,600
But to fund this project, architectural services is an eligible expense, but it's not eligible

1695
02:00:33,100 --> 02:00:34,420
if it's done beforehand.

1696
02:00:35,140 --> 02:00:36,380
We're going to have to pay for it.

1697
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:37,180
Okay.

1698
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:38,780
What do you mean it's not eligible if it's done beforehand?

1699
02:00:38,780 --> 02:00:43,540
If we do it now before the grads fund it, it's not going to be an eligible expense

1700
02:00:43,540 --> 02:00:44,340
with grad funds.

1701
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:46,880
Now we can't.

1702
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:47,960
That makes no sense.

1703
02:00:48,380 --> 02:00:50,900
How do you submit plans without architectural services?

1704
02:00:50,900 --> 02:00:57,740
Well, according to the guidance, what they want, and it says here, to submit a good master

1705
02:00:57,740 --> 02:01:00,700
plan has to be based on estimates.

1706
02:01:01,420 --> 02:01:06,300
It doesn't have to be, and we do that with a lot of our grant submissions.

1707
02:01:06,980 --> 02:01:13,440
We have preliminary plans that we submit for review, and then once we are funded, then

1708
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:18,740
we go out for professional services and hire an architect or an engineer, and they come

1709
02:01:18,740 --> 02:01:20,220
up with final plans.

1710
02:01:20,220 --> 02:01:23,860
right right that there's going to be an estimate well they should be an

1711
02:01:23,860 --> 02:01:28,880
estimation for this and then if we get funded then it'll be budgeted for us to

1712
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:34,960
have professional services there now if we do this action now and we and we

1713
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:42,900
funded now well we can cover or this expense could be covered as part of the

1714
02:01:42,900 --> 02:01:51,640
match towards the grant if funded so I'm trying to understand so we're going to

1715
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:55,660
actually need to set two different contracts that we're going to have some

1716
02:01:55,660 --> 02:02:02,380
kind of submittal for the grant well we had a we had a contract earlier that we

1717
02:02:02,380 --> 02:02:06,200
we did for the estimate we've done the whole contract when we're doing the

1718
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:10,780
whole package here so the 700,000 or 600 whatever it is it's for the whole

1719
02:02:10,780 --> 02:02:16,660
package I'm aware of that but but that's a that's not what we need to submit that's

1720
02:02:16,660 --> 02:02:20,220
not good if we do it now it's not going to be able to be paid with

1721
02:02:20,220 --> 02:02:25,320
grant fund that's all I want to make sure that we need a package for the

1722
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:30,000
submittal of the grant estimates they're saying whether good package has

1723
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:35,880
estimates so it doesn't have to be the complete plan it's not drawing no not

1724
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:40,640
until, well, yes. It has to be estimates. And once...

1725
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:42,040
But it's estimates. It's not balance.

1726
02:02:42,440 --> 02:02:43,540
Yes. Yes.

1727
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:49,860
So we need to break this up into two pieces, then. We need to have a grant submittal portion.

1728
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:51,100
Right.

1729
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:55,180
And then if and when we get the grant, we'll have the other portion.

1730
02:02:56,060 --> 02:03:00,560
Yes. That would make sense, because then we could pay for that portion with the grant funds

1731
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:06,060
because it will be funded or we'll go into that contract if, indeed, we're funded.

1732
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:10,440
And one shouldn't be, I mean, the second part is pending.

1733
02:03:11,460 --> 02:03:13,320
It has to be until we get the grant.

1734
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:14,260
Right.

1735
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:18,860
Because then, if not, we'll say, okay, well, we're just going to do the windows

1736
02:03:18,860 --> 02:03:21,460
or we're just going to do the roof or we're just going to do this for that.

1737
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:29,100
That's what I have reviewed and come to my conclusion.

1738
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:33,420
I need to break it up in the two pieces.

1739
02:03:33,740 --> 02:03:35,040
Well, they already are.

1740
02:03:35,420 --> 02:03:39,160
Just to clarify, Mr. Florez is perfectly right that.

1741
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,200
Will you speak into the microphone, please?

1742
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:49,260
My agreement initially was for a preservation master plan.

1743
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:51,880
So we are submitting.

1744
02:03:51,880 --> 02:04:01,240
I think Preservation Master Plan is basically an historical review, an assessment of conditions.

1745
02:04:01,820 --> 02:04:08,620
It's all of the things that basically the design and the work and drawings are based

1746
02:04:08,620 --> 02:04:15,520
on and all of the documentation that goes into that portion of it.

1747
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:23,500
So that master plan we're submitting our draft, our next draft on that actually on the 7th

1748
02:04:23,500 --> 02:04:31,940
of November in two weeks along with our schematic design for the actual construction grant.

1749
02:04:33,260 --> 02:04:41,960
The master plan needs to be approved before they can award any kind of construction grant.

1750
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:49,520
So those are the two items. So both of them are tracking at the same time currently.

1751
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:52,860
That's not what he said.

1752
02:04:53,780 --> 02:04:58,800
No, no. Mr. Flores did say that in effect.

1753
02:04:59,660 --> 02:05:04,680
The plan that he was referring to is the master plan.

1754
02:05:05,420 --> 02:05:09,400
That is a planning document, not a design and construction document.

1755
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:19,620
document. So that will be completed before the end of this year, and then the contract

1756
02:05:19,620 --> 02:05:26,300
for that will be basically ending at that point with the preservation plan, but the contract

1757
02:05:26,300 --> 02:05:33,080
for the construction, the design and the preservation work, that will be ongoing to

1758
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:36,180
meet the deadlines for that package.

1759
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:44,240
But the deadline for the grant is May, you said?

1760
02:05:45,620 --> 02:05:55,740
And we need the planning plan, the planning plan needs to be submitted, which is a portion of whatever, you know?

1761
02:05:56,380 --> 02:06:02,100
We're going to submit a book that says, look, we're going to redo windows, we're going to redo floors, we're going to do this, we're going to do this.

1762
02:06:02,100 --> 02:06:10,560
in accordance with all the historical guidance and everything, and they'll review it, and

1763
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:17,520
they say yay or nay. If they say yay, then we move ahead with full plans. But I'm not

1764
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:22,180
going to do full plans and pay for it, and then not get reimbursed and say, well, now

1765
02:06:22,180 --> 02:06:25,100
we're going to cut this scope down.

1766
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:31,320
Well, I don't think that's going to happen. They don't say nay to it. It just, I guess

1767
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:37,640
they review it. Any comments that they have, those are incorporated in a response.

1768
02:06:37,780 --> 02:06:39,580
Well, is there going to say yay or nay on the grant, right?

1769
02:06:40,340 --> 02:06:41,780
On the grant that it's yay or nay.

1770
02:06:42,280 --> 02:06:42,860
Yes, sir.

1771
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:46,000
And that's the part I'm talking about. So let's do this in two portions.

1772
02:06:46,540 --> 02:06:47,320
I have a question.

1773
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:47,620
No, sir.

1774
02:06:47,660 --> 02:06:51,180
If I please, may I finish? So we do this in two portions. You're going to say

1775
02:06:51,180 --> 02:06:58,000
say we have the planning document or the grant submittal document, you know, why should

1776
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:00,600
we lose out on architectural fees so we can get that reimbursed?

1777
02:07:02,220 --> 02:07:03,080
So we do.

1778
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:03,260
Sure.

1779
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:04,440
We do.

1780
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:09,020
I will, I will, I will look into that.

1781
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:11,100
And we need a number for that portion.

1782
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:17,880
Well, that's, you know, a large part of that's already been, it's already been

1783
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:22,280
part of the work that's been earned so far. So that's nearly complete.

1784
02:07:22,820 --> 02:07:27,460
That's the math, the preservation plan is nearly complete.

1785
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:31,820
Again, but I'm not going to give you the second half until we know we got the first half.

1786
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:34,910
Do what I'm saying?

1787
02:07:35,690 --> 02:07:44,270
Well, Commissioner, the thing to keep in mind is that in order to have a 95 percent

1788
02:07:44,270 --> 02:07:49,470
complete set of construction documents by January 23rd.

1789
02:07:49,470 --> 02:07:50,730
That's not what he said he needs.

1790
02:07:52,030 --> 02:07:54,210
We don't need construction documents for the 23rd.

1791
02:07:57,220 --> 02:07:57,480
James?

1792
02:07:57,660 --> 02:07:58,260
Mr. Flores?

1793
02:08:00,700 --> 02:08:06,000
Because there's no way you can have construction documents if architectural fees are...

1794
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:20,080
The January 23rd, that is for the preservation plan or for the 95% construction document?

1795
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:36,900
For the master plan, and it states we're a good master plan that should include a history of the building, historic photos and drawings, a thorough evaluation of existing conditions and a plan for the future with an estimated budget for all the proposed work.

1796
02:08:37,340 --> 02:08:46,540
The master plan must be submitted to the Texas Historical Commission for review and may either be accepted with suggested changes made and resubmitted or rejected.

1797
02:08:46,540 --> 02:08:51,460
The proposed work must comply with standards for the treatment of historic properties.

1798
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:56,900
The document is a general plan of action and does not include detailed construction plans and specifications.

1799
02:08:57,540 --> 02:09:06,340
I can read more, but as it, to summarize it, they do say that on the January date,

1800
02:09:06,500 --> 02:09:12,220
we must have 95% complete, the draft, for,

1801
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:20,720
No, just what I just read, it has to be 95% complete for us to get maximum points and

1802
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:27,600
I must reiterate that because we need to be able to get as much points as we can to be

1803
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:27,760
complete.

1804
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:29,040
But he's saying the plan is done basically.

1805
02:09:30,420 --> 02:09:36,280
And then on March it has to be finished.

1806
02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:41,140
Now at that point they review it, they tell us okay the master plan has been accepted

1807
02:09:41,140 --> 02:09:46,400
And then we can submit our grant, and that will happen on May 8th, by May 8th.

1808
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:48,880
I'm sorry, can I say just one more thing?

1809
02:09:50,060 --> 02:09:59,000
That that is true, that the master plan can go to that deadline.

1810
02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:02,060
It goes beyond what we were anticipating.

1811
02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:06,700
We were wanting to get it done before Christmas, before this in December.

1812
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:07,920
That's great.

1813
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:20,580
but, and have it adopted, but in order to meet this 2026 year for the construction

1814
02:10:20,580 --> 02:10:29,220
grant, which is the big reimbursement, you still have to have 95 percent construction

1815
02:10:29,220 --> 02:10:32,940
documents done by the end of January.

1816
02:10:33,420 --> 02:10:34,820
No, that's not what he said.

1817
02:10:35,020 --> 02:10:39,740
No, no, wait, please. I know that's not what we're talking about, two different

1818
02:10:39,740 --> 02:10:43,560
things that are getting confused. And you can't.

1819
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:44,660
He said a master plan.

1820
02:10:44,780 --> 02:10:48,220
You can't, you can't put a master plan out for bid.

1821
02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:50,760
It's not for bid, it's estimates.

1822
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:55,620
Right. You have to have the construction documents. But if there's 95 percent

1823
02:10:55,620 --> 02:11:03,560
construction documents aren't ready meeting that deadline by the end of January, then

1824
02:11:04,380 --> 02:11:05,640
you're going to be knocked out.

1825
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:07,020
We would be knocked out.

1826
02:11:07,780 --> 02:11:07,800
That's enough.

1827
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:07,820
Well, it's very simple.

1828
02:11:07,820 --> 02:11:09,040
James, if I may, please.

1829
02:11:09,220 --> 02:11:09,580
The Commissioner.

1830
02:11:09,580 --> 02:11:10,420
Can you make a phone call?

1831
02:11:10,900 --> 02:11:17,740
James, can you make a phone call to the granting agency and ask if they need 95% construction

1832
02:11:17,740 --> 02:11:18,200
document?

1833
02:11:18,580 --> 02:11:22,180
Well, we had made these telephone calls with them before when this was proposed

1834
02:11:22,180 --> 02:11:22,740
earlier.

1835
02:11:22,740 --> 02:11:26,720
and we had spoken with them as to if this is something that we can be

1836
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:31,180
reimbursed over. But this is your typical grant process. If we do a grant

1837
02:11:31,180 --> 02:11:34,420
application. So what do you recommend that we do if it's your typical grant

1838
02:11:34,420 --> 02:11:40,280
process? You're the pro at this. Yeah. What do you recommend for the

1839
02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:44,420
court to do that? What's your recommendation? I recommend that we

1840
02:11:44,420 --> 02:11:50,760
get in the master plan with as design or as designated by the funding

1841
02:11:50,760 --> 02:11:56,660
agency, turn in the estimates, get the master plan approved, have us submit the grant, and

1842
02:11:56,660 --> 02:12:00,740
in our grant budget, which is part of the estimates, it will be professional services,

1843
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:08,980
and we'll be able to come up with the final plans, with the specifications for us to

1844
02:12:08,980 --> 02:12:13,020
go out for bids in the next step.

1845
02:12:13,140 --> 02:12:15,580
So are you saying to approve this or break it up in two?

1846
02:12:15,580 --> 02:12:16,100
I

1847
02:12:18,380 --> 02:12:20,040
It should be broken up into

1848
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:29,060
Okay, if if if we want to pay for this with grant funds if we want to pay for it with general funds

1849
02:12:29,060 --> 02:12:30,900
Well, then we can do it now

1850
02:12:31,820 --> 02:12:32,640
No, any other

1851
02:12:33,060 --> 02:12:37,280
Counter that I have for that is that I'm going to go off your recommendation if you want to break it up in two

1852
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:38,220
We break it up and see that

1853
02:12:38,220 --> 02:12:39,840
All right

1854
02:12:40,540 --> 02:12:44,140
So how would we how would I move the motion to be able to break it up in two James?

1855
02:12:44,140 --> 02:12:52,640
Well, we just need to be able to contract to do the master plan to have a complete master

1856
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:53,020
plan.

1857
02:12:53,780 --> 02:12:55,940
And for the grant submittal.

1858
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:59,420
For 95 percent complete on January 23rd?

1859
02:12:59,420 --> 02:13:00,360
That would be my emotion.

1860
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:05,440
And that's under a separate contract right now, as we speak.

1861
02:13:05,700 --> 02:13:06,480
We've already done that?

1862
02:13:06,860 --> 02:13:07,400
Two years ago.

1863
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:08,120
And that was how much?

1864
02:13:08,160 --> 02:13:08,280
Yes.

1865
02:13:08,580 --> 02:13:10,760
We're almost complete with that.

1866
02:13:10,820 --> 02:13:11,780
And how much of that contract?

1867
02:13:11,780 --> 02:13:20,080
there. 75,000 I believe. Okay. So then we already got that. So we're about 80% finished

1868
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:24,380
with that. Perfect. Okay. So then we're going to go ahead and do it the way James is asking

1869
02:13:24,380 --> 02:13:28,200
us to. Do I have a motion? I have a second. Any other questions, comments? There's no

1870
02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:35,000
action on this item. That one's already approved. So then do we move on this item? Well,

1871
02:13:35,660 --> 02:13:40,240
he wants you to. Here's the problem. Mr. Stills and I get it. I mean, we're

1872
02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:44,520
I know you're defending your position, but I guess I'm asking James. Go ahead.

1873
02:13:44,740 --> 02:13:51,340
Oh, I was going to say the for the for the 2026 there is that what they call a

1874
02:13:51,340 --> 02:13:59,540
first round and we would have to have 95% and a January 100% end of March that

1875
02:13:59,540 --> 02:14:08,790
is but but but but if we don't there is still a second round that is a year

1876
02:14:08,790 --> 02:14:16,530
later. And that could be considered then. And I can see what kind of submittal would

1877
02:14:17,070 --> 02:14:27,750
be considered if you really want to look at a second round on this. So it could move down

1878
02:14:27,750 --> 02:14:28,110
the road.

1879
02:14:28,490 --> 02:14:33,390
There's no requirement for 95 percent construction documents in that grant application.

1880
02:14:35,630 --> 02:14:36,230
And

1881
02:14:36,230 --> 02:14:38,230
I'll ask James to make another phone call.

1882
02:14:38,230 --> 02:14:44,670
Okay, but we should we should and and if it does we'll put it back on the agenda for next week okay next meeting

1883
02:14:44,670 --> 02:14:49,750
We're also include that in the email. So we have it on right. Okay, very good. We have it already

1884
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:54,450
But we can get it but I mean they're telling you that it's just a submittal and a

1885
02:14:55,610 --> 02:14:58,170
Guestimate because they want to know how much the grants going to be right

1886
02:14:58,950 --> 02:14:59,850
correct, and I would

1887
02:15:00,780 --> 02:15:02,380
We'd really like to get it in this round.

1888
02:15:02,920 --> 02:15:08,880
Well, you already have that portion. I had forgotten we did that, so we already have that portion going.

1889
02:15:09,460 --> 02:15:09,600
Right.

1890
02:15:09,700 --> 02:15:13,040
So once we get that approved, then we'll deal with the rest of it.

1891
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:14,480
Very good.

1892
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:15,160
All right.

1893
02:15:15,320 --> 02:15:15,620
Thank you.

1894
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:16,740
Thank you very much.

1895
02:15:17,340 --> 02:15:21,340
I'm going to skip 26 because I want to bring it into executive session. Item 27.

1896
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:24,460
You know what? Excuse me. I know I have some people here.

1897
02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:26,600
I'm sorry, we did 27.

1898
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:31,380
I'm going to go ahead and bring up item 32 and 33.

1899
02:15:31,900 --> 02:15:32,840
I'll second it.

1900
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:33,620
Motion second.

1901
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:34,200
Any opposed?

1902
02:15:35,020 --> 02:15:35,880
Motion carries.

1903
02:15:36,520 --> 02:15:37,940
Item 32, yes, sir.

1904
02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:38,760
Very good.

1905
02:15:40,020 --> 02:15:42,280
Presentation by Webb County Heritage Foundation

1906
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:44,800
to provide commissioners court with an update

1907
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:46,680
on the Viantiua phase 2 project.

1908
02:15:47,580 --> 02:15:47,760
Yes.

1909
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:49,880
You all want to come up?

1910
02:15:50,740 --> 02:15:51,020
So, sir.

1911
02:15:56,220 --> 02:15:56,540
Morning.

1912
02:15:57,020 --> 02:15:57,760
Good morning.

1913
02:15:58,040 --> 02:15:59,380
Good morning, judge commissioners.

1914
02:15:59,480 --> 02:16:00,460
Thank you so much for your time.

1915
02:16:00,460 --> 02:16:01,780
No, thank you all for being patient.

1916
02:16:01,940 --> 02:16:05,720
It's actually Mr. Tillitson that's going to do the presentation for the Web County Heritage

1917
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:08,560
Foundation for the face to a Vientiva.

1918
02:16:09,480 --> 02:16:12,520
We are really looking forward for you all to see this.

1919
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:16,960
I'm going to give the microphone to Mr. Tillitson and there are long yes for the record.

1920
02:16:17,340 --> 02:16:18,020
Yes, no worries.

1921
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:18,960
Thank you.

1922
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:19,280
Okay.

1923
02:16:19,420 --> 02:16:19,680
Very good.

1924
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:20,200
Thanks, Annie.

1925
02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:21,480
Go ahead, Mr. Tillitson.

1926
02:16:22,440 --> 02:16:25,880
So there should be a PowerPoint that comes up.

1927
02:16:25,980 --> 02:16:26,140
Yes.

1928
02:16:26,300 --> 02:16:26,780
Thank you.

1929
02:16:27,680 --> 02:16:29,700
So you can see that on your screens.

1930
02:16:29,960 --> 02:16:33,040
It's basically a scan of the building itself.

1931
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:35,320
But the project, if you go to the next slide,

1932
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:43,320
this is for the buildings that are at 801 and 805 Grant Street.

1933
02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:47,960
You see in this aerial, you're on the northeast looking Southwest.

1934
02:16:49,880 --> 02:16:53,340
It's really kind of an L-stool part of several parcels

1935
02:16:53,340 --> 02:16:56,280
for the Border Heritage Museum.

1936
02:16:56,720 --> 02:16:59,240
There's a parking lot that is owned by IBC

1937
02:16:59,620 --> 02:17:01,700
and then the building's there front on Grant.

1938
02:17:03,400 --> 02:17:04,500
The next slide.

1939
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:09,260
It's a little bit burned, but this is,

1940
02:17:09,620 --> 02:17:11,380
that shows the project location

1941
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:14,320
there at the corner of Grant and Santa Ursula.

1942
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:19,340
It is in a block that is part of the original

1943
02:17:21,520 --> 02:17:30,280
1767 Townsite and also one of the buildings that is part of the San Augustine de Laredo

1944
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:33,020
National Register Historic District.

1945
02:17:34,020 --> 02:17:35,800
If you could go to the next slide, please.

1946
02:17:38,180 --> 02:17:46,340
This, of course, is a view a lot of you were familiar with from 1894, but you can see the building,

1947
02:17:46,340 --> 02:17:52,000
It's marked number one, and the kind of the right-hand side goes to the Board of Heritage

1948
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,620
Museum is right next to it.

1949
02:17:53,740 --> 02:17:59,680
The Furious, the building that is the Veterans Project is just up on San Bernardo.

1950
02:18:00,440 --> 02:18:06,620
So there's a grouping, and of course Casa Ortiz is just down Grant's or Zaragoza Street.

1951
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:14,380
So, there is this grouping, really, of web properties in the hope that downtown area.

1952
02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:15,300
Next slide.

1953
02:18:16,660 --> 02:18:23,940
There's also some interesting things that the original courthouse for 18-for-Web County

1954
02:18:23,940 --> 02:18:29,820
was the Casa Constitucional, there circled on the left on the south side of the plaza.

1955
02:18:30,620 --> 02:18:33,780
And there are a couple of really important and interesting judges that lived in the

1956
02:18:33,780 --> 02:18:38,100
houses just opposite on the plaza. So there's a lot of kind of county

1957
02:18:38,100 --> 02:18:43,600
associated history with the place. Next slide. And we know a lot about the

1958
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:47,600
buildings just from the previous sand orange maps. I won't get into all of the

1959
02:18:47,600 --> 02:18:54,300
detail on this, but occupying two lots in the block 11 on that northeast corner.

1960
02:18:54,820 --> 02:18:59,560
The building is L-shaped. It was actually kind of two buildings recorded as

1961
02:18:59,560 --> 02:19:07,960
being there as early as 1847. They'd probably go back to the 1830s, the original stone walls,

1962
02:19:08,360 --> 02:19:13,420
and then, of course, there was a wing added on. It was surrounded by an eight-foot high

1963
02:19:14,060 --> 02:19:22,880
masonry wall. Next slide. And it was one of the Benavides House. Jose Referrio Benavides,

1964
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:30,900
That was his home site, and I don't have to try to tell anybody about the history of the

1965
02:19:30,900 --> 02:19:39,720
Benavitas in Laredo, but 801 and 805 actually has a name and a history to it, and somebody

1966
02:19:39,720 --> 02:19:42,760
that was part of the development of Laredo.

1967
02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:43,620
Next slide.

1968
02:19:43,620 --> 02:19:54,840
red. And circled in red is the two lots of the property, the property that is the Heritage

1969
02:19:54,840 --> 02:20:00,820
Museum showing kind of staggered off. And then of course that the parking lot dashed

1970
02:20:00,820 --> 02:20:06,260
in where the IBC parking lot is as shown there as well. And of course this is showing

1971
02:20:06,260 --> 02:20:10,120
a little bit later development on the right hand side. You can see the L-shaped blue

1972
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:16,340
stone building. It has some kind of red brick additions and kind of a gallery at that point

1973
02:20:16,340 --> 02:20:18,600
in that courtyard. Next slide.

1974
02:20:19,020 --> 02:20:22,420
What's the difference in the coloration? What does that signify?

1975
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:29,000
Can you go back please? The blue stands for stone masonry. The red is for brick masonry.

1976
02:20:29,220 --> 02:20:35,460
The yellow is for wood frame. And then sometimes you'll see brown for adobe as well.

1977
02:20:39,050 --> 02:20:39,670
And so

1978
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:46,310
So just an aerial view of the site, there's quite a few historic properties in various

1979
02:20:46,310 --> 02:20:49,330
shades of improvement.

1980
02:20:49,930 --> 02:20:56,750
I think probably every building needs a lot of work in this whole section, especially the

1981
02:20:56,750 --> 02:20:57,670
Benevitas House.

1982
02:20:58,430 --> 02:21:05,530
There are a number of other assets around, but it's a very busy part of Santa Ursula

1983
02:21:05,530 --> 02:21:09,410
and kind of at the end of downtown so it feels lost next.

1984
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:19,110
And really the goals at this point, this is not a formal, final announcement of it, but

1985
02:21:19,630 --> 02:21:26,550
it's really about conservation of those buildings, to save those historic buildings with respect

1986
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:27,570
to historic fabric.

1987
02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:35,350
It's also about placemaking, all of the activities that the Heritage Foundation will

1988
02:21:35,350 --> 02:21:42,010
be programming there that's really important. And I think one of the interesting things

1989
02:21:42,010 --> 02:21:50,730
about the way that the state of Texas charged counties in their duties was to provide a

1990
02:21:50,730 --> 02:21:56,570
gathering place for people. So already kind of an indication for these kinds of places.

1991
02:21:57,350 --> 02:22:02,690
That increase, that activation for visitors, locals, basically you're looking for more

1992
02:22:02,690 --> 02:22:08,070
more customers, more sales, and some economic development, so that it's a really important

1993
02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:08,590
project.

1994
02:22:08,730 --> 02:22:09,290
Next slide.

1995
02:22:10,030 --> 02:22:13,410
In being able to address some of those things on its own level.

1996
02:22:14,250 --> 02:22:17,450
The project challenges, I don't have to get into a lot.

1997
02:22:17,570 --> 02:22:23,090
You probably heard a lot about how difficult it is to deal with stone masonry that doesn't

1998
02:22:23,090 --> 02:22:27,290
have any kind of concrete foundations, you have rising damp, you have peeling plaster,

1999
02:22:27,450 --> 02:22:28,530
you have all those things.

2000
02:22:29,150 --> 02:22:35,170
The roofs are in very difficult shape, so there's a lot of work that has to be done on them,

2001
02:22:35,250 --> 02:22:39,150
pretty much what you would see with the furriests over at the Veteran's Center.

2002
02:22:39,350 --> 02:22:41,830
That level of work is very similar.

2003
02:22:42,870 --> 02:22:47,330
One of the things, though, about it is that it's a really noisy place,

2004
02:22:47,610 --> 02:22:50,270
but it's also a place where you get a nice breeze,

2005
02:22:50,750 --> 02:22:55,970
and that's really important for doing something to make it a very interesting development

2006
02:22:55,970 --> 02:23:00,130
for having some outdoor courtyard or patio type of space.

2007
02:23:01,930 --> 02:23:02,830
Next slide.

2008
02:23:03,970 --> 02:23:07,450
Just some views on Grant looking towards Santa Ursula.

2009
02:23:07,650 --> 02:23:10,590
You can sign to see the difference between the two buildings.

2010
02:23:11,150 --> 02:23:15,290
The second floor was added on about the early 1930s or so.

2011
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:19,290
So it changed the architecture of that building.

2012
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:19,970
Next slide.

2013
02:23:21,730 --> 02:23:22,970
There's a scan of that.

2014
02:23:22,970 --> 02:23:28,790
next slide. Another scan for elevation. You can see all the utilities coming in

2015
02:23:28,790 --> 02:23:34,310
there. It's a real mess. The folks next door like to put their trash cans in

2016
02:23:34,310 --> 02:23:40,450
front of the building. So it's not very pleasant at the moment. Next. And the

2017
02:23:40,450 --> 02:23:46,030
usual problems with, you know, deteriorating mortar, stone, plaster

2018
02:23:46,030 --> 02:23:54,430
water peeling, wood deterioration. It's all over the whole envelope of the building. Next.

2019
02:23:55,910 --> 02:24:01,610
And you can see just from the roof scape, it's just ruinous in many places. And so there

2020
02:24:01,610 --> 02:24:08,490
needs to be not just new roofing, but a new wood structure to fix those penetrations.

2021
02:24:08,490 --> 02:24:17,530
next. Next slide. It has a wonderful lozia gallery, very classical. Unfortunately, those

2022
02:24:17,530 --> 02:24:27,910
wood columns are in great shape. Just a miracle. Next. Another view of that lozia. Next. It

2023
02:24:27,910 --> 02:24:32,690
looks into a great courtyard, but there are some kind of additions that were scabbed

2024
02:24:32,690 --> 02:24:38,730
on. And those are in very poor condition. We'll probably be removing those. Next slide.

2025
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:45,710
So this is our existing floor plan. You can see the Grant Street at the top, and then

2026
02:24:45,710 --> 02:24:53,710
the L, the west wing going down along the west end of the property. And it was surrounded

2027
02:24:53,710 --> 02:25:00,190
by an eight-foot wall all at one time. Next slide. This illustrates the roof scape and

2028
02:25:00,190 --> 02:25:03,730
In the second floor, that's a little over 500 square feet.

2029
02:25:04,010 --> 02:25:06,630
And the second floor is a brick, not a stone.

2030
02:25:07,010 --> 02:25:07,350
Next.

2031
02:25:09,010 --> 02:25:14,610
And then when you look at the areas and what type of conditions that the construction

2032
02:25:14,610 --> 02:25:24,290
types are, really the total enclosed area here is 3,800, 860, and the total covered

2033
02:25:24,290 --> 02:25:26,370
area is 1,057.

2034
02:25:26,370 --> 02:25:33,270
So very comparable to Farias, a little less enclosed area, but a lot more outdoors covered area.

2035
02:25:33,470 --> 02:25:37,410
Next slide. And you can see some of the conditions on the interior.

2036
02:25:38,190 --> 02:25:38,790
Next slide.

2037
02:25:40,900 --> 02:25:43,840
Next slide. Next slide.

2038
02:25:45,220 --> 02:25:51,020
And so that's what we basically entered. Frank Briscoe from Briscoe Conservation,

2039
02:25:51,540 --> 02:25:54,680
Architectural Conservation, has been in the building.

2040
02:25:54,680 --> 02:26:03,720
He has cleared out a lot of this debris, next slide, and will be shoring up, such a temporary

2041
02:26:03,720 --> 02:26:08,340
basis, places where the joists are actually failing and dangerous.

2042
02:26:09,080 --> 02:26:15,320
So the work is ongoing now to basically get all of the documentation, clear this out,

2043
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,120
get all the scans in.

2044
02:26:18,600 --> 02:26:23,360
And this shows what would be demolished, the frame buildings that were scabbed on,

2045
02:26:23,360 --> 02:26:27,280
on the various fences and walls around it, next.

2046
02:26:28,820 --> 02:26:34,900
And we kind of approached this from the standpoint of how do we start thinking about utilizing

2047
02:26:34,900 --> 02:26:40,720
this building, and we can't do all of it at one time.

2048
02:26:41,980 --> 02:26:48,520
We're looking at really having a mothballing or shelling out a certain portion of this

2049
02:26:48,520 --> 02:26:54,060
just to keep this in some sort of a budget that's maybe available.

2050
02:26:55,080 --> 02:27:00,220
So in terms of the rehabilitation, it's a total of 1,342 square feet,

2051
02:27:00,620 --> 02:27:02,380
total covered area 1,000.

2052
02:27:02,900 --> 02:27:10,700
And then not developed entirely would be for the future 1,656 square feet.

2053
02:27:11,320 --> 02:27:14,420
And in this idea, you're drawing the absolute minimum.

2054
02:27:15,220 --> 02:27:17,800
You're putting everything in on the left-hand side.

2055
02:27:17,800 --> 02:27:23,920
side, including toilet rooms, mechanical, and then doing something with the little catering

2056
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:27,480
kitchen there, then developing a nice courtyard.

2057
02:27:28,340 --> 02:27:33,240
And then that 1600 square feet, you just have it behind walls.

2058
02:27:33,860 --> 02:27:39,800
You work, you fix the repair of the windows, restore doors, but you don't do any improvements

2059
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:42,740
in there until you have the money to be able to do it.

2060
02:27:42,740 --> 02:27:50,100
And in a situation like this, you really want to look at getting some sort of tendency or

2061
02:27:50,100 --> 02:27:52,960
even, you know, paying tenants in there.

2062
02:27:53,180 --> 02:27:57,540
So then that becomes the trigger to be able to put some money into the rest of it.

2063
02:27:57,780 --> 02:27:58,300
Next slide.

2064
02:27:59,300 --> 02:28:03,000
Now, that kind of a courtyard needs to be wonderful.

2065
02:28:03,820 --> 02:28:08,860
I mean, when you think about cost authorities, you know, with how it was 100 years ago

2066
02:28:08,860 --> 02:28:14,180
in the black and white. It's very similar today. Very wonderful place to go and has

2067
02:28:14,180 --> 02:28:21,660
that wonderful entrance of the Zawan. Next slide. But this courtyard is a little bit different.

2068
02:28:21,860 --> 02:28:26,640
It's smaller. You're not going to be able to grow a lot of big trees real quick, so

2069
02:28:26,640 --> 02:28:31,760
it might be something that's more of a shaded pergola. Next slide. So this other

2070
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:41,960
Another approach looks at a little bit more scope, which is all of those 1830s, 1840s buildings,

2071
02:28:42,460 --> 02:28:44,240
rooms along the side.

2072
02:28:44,620 --> 02:28:47,980
It's ashamed to put mechanical and toilet rooms and everything in them.

2073
02:28:48,040 --> 02:28:49,140
Those are great rooms.

2074
02:28:49,940 --> 02:28:55,740
So why don't we just build the toilet rooms and janitors and service.

2075
02:28:55,740 --> 02:29:02,700
all of that on the west side help block some of the sound and then really just go

2076
02:29:02,700 --> 02:29:06,940
through and have a set of wonderful rooms that are restored on that West Wing.

2077
02:29:07,260 --> 02:29:11,600
What is noisy over there? You said it's very noisy. What is noisy over there?

2078
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:18,840
The traffic. People are just blowing down Santa Ursula and then going down

2079
02:29:18,840 --> 02:29:28,660
the ramp and trucks and cars are really loud right there. Now a lot of traffic comes in

2080
02:29:28,660 --> 02:29:35,460
and turns right and goes on Zatagosa. But they're going slow at that point. That's the

2081
02:29:35,460 --> 02:29:41,040
ones that are just going through. And so to have an outdoor area where you're not

2082
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:47,200
attenuating or blocking that sound in some way is I think going to be a really key

2083
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:52,260
to making this outdoor space really functional and desirable place to be.

2084
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:57,800
But you're going to block the air pollution, wouldn't you block the wind as well?

2085
02:29:58,180 --> 02:29:59,960
That's a great point, because the cha-

2086
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,980
The challenge here is to do something to block sound, but not necessarily block the breeze.

2087
02:30:05,500 --> 02:30:09,980
So there needs to be some sort of resolution on how you're able to do that.

2088
02:30:10,740 --> 02:30:13,040
How about a traffic device just to slow the traffic down?

2089
02:30:13,300 --> 02:30:14,480
How about just a speed bump?

2090
02:30:15,540 --> 02:30:20,340
Well, that's what we know people across the street.

2091
02:30:20,580 --> 02:30:21,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2092
02:30:24,100 --> 02:30:28,680
So that's essentially where we are. We've actually done, you know, we've completed

2093
02:30:28,680 --> 02:30:34,280
that a lot of the field work and documentation, actually getting the shoring done as we speak

2094
02:30:34,280 --> 02:30:39,660
so that it's bracing those things that are about to fall. Everything's cleared out quite

2095
02:30:39,660 --> 02:30:46,220
a bit more than it ever was. And then we're just now starting to look at the idea of

2096
02:30:46,220 --> 02:30:48,620
concepts and what to do.

2097
02:30:48,780 --> 02:30:57,720
If I may, Lalo. We have 1.8 for this project. We used, we had 2 million at 1.8, is the

2098
02:30:57,720 --> 02:31:11,140
1.8 still there yes we start the whole 2 million I thought we had 1.8 but if

2099
02:31:11,140 --> 02:31:13,860
you don't mind checking from between 1.8 and 2 minutes okay

2100
02:31:16,450 --> 02:31:19,310
so what do you need

2101
02:31:19,310 --> 02:31:23,050
from us today because this is something that needs to be done presentation

2102
02:31:29,250 --> 02:31:35,030
I would have wanted action. I look at this thing and I'm trying to understand, you know,

2103
02:31:36,510 --> 02:31:43,410
I see big dollar signs there. Two million. You know what? No. No. Too many gets you nowhere.

2104
02:31:43,650 --> 02:31:49,790
No, no, no, no. He's telling us we have two million. No, I'm sorry. Two million gets

2105
02:31:49,790 --> 02:31:55,910
is nowhere. There's a push downtown. You've got private developers, you've got individuals,

2106
02:31:56,290 --> 02:32:01,590
a lot of properties changing hands. I think we need to have a comprehensive plan. And

2107
02:32:01,590 --> 02:32:11,330
in that plan needs to be a lot of parking. That is the general problem in most urban

2108
02:32:11,330 --> 02:32:17,910
areas. And we have no parking. You can have a greatest facility in the world,

2109
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:20,530
but if you have no parking, it's very hard to get people there.

2110
02:32:20,890 --> 02:32:27,170
So I think we really need to identify the homes or buildings that we want to keep.

2111
02:32:28,090 --> 02:32:31,070
And then, sorry, some are going to have to be sacrificed.

2112
02:32:31,770 --> 02:32:35,630
Some of these need to be knocked down and make some parking places.

2113
02:32:35,890 --> 02:32:38,750
So the ones that are left can have accessibility.

2114
02:32:39,510 --> 02:32:44,450
And I think we need to get together with all the developers that are looking at downtown

2115
02:32:44,450 --> 02:32:49,250
and saying all right let's get a master plan you know semi if nothing's gonna be

2116
02:32:49,250 --> 02:32:54,730
written in stone and say how do we make this project work because otherwise it's

2117
02:32:54,730 --> 02:33:07,190
not gonna work. $10,000 a parking spot? Yeah. So 1.8 will go pretty far. But I mean

2118
02:33:07,190 --> 02:33:10,550
you know like I said you know some of these three quarters of the block may

2119
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:16,210
need to be demolished, you know? Maybe we save just part of that building, front of parking lot,

2120
02:33:16,370 --> 02:33:22,230
and at least it has a chance to survive. Because otherwise, it's just going to be an empty building

2121
02:33:22,230 --> 02:33:26,890
there that with a beautiful courtyard that nobody goes to, for what reason. Maybe it's

2122
02:33:26,890 --> 02:33:31,330
rented once a month, who knows. So, I think John's shaking his head back there or something.

2123
02:33:32,070 --> 02:33:37,250
Let's all get together. Let's get a plan. Like I said, let's get some of these developers.

2124
02:33:37,250 --> 02:33:38,610
I know there's several.

2125
02:33:38,730 --> 02:33:41,270
We got something on the agenda today and say,

2126
02:33:41,330 --> 02:33:43,550
all right, how do we make this work for all of us?

2127
02:33:43,570 --> 02:33:48,190
Because the tourism from normal Laredo

2128
02:33:48,190 --> 02:33:49,030
is not coming back.

2129
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:50,670
The tourism that's going to Mexico

2130
02:33:50,670 --> 02:33:52,730
is not coming back anytime soon.

2131
02:33:53,910 --> 02:33:55,570
So we're going to have to create our own.

2132
02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:58,190
So it's going to have to be an environment

2133
02:33:58,730 --> 02:34:00,610
that Laredo ones are going to want to go down.

2134
02:34:00,730 --> 02:34:02,610
And I've had these discussions with people

2135
02:34:02,610 --> 02:34:04,510
across the street and saying, you know,

2136
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:05,750
it's going to have to be restaurants.

2137
02:34:05,750 --> 02:34:12,450
It's going to have to be music, and it's going to have to be some of the arts, whether it's crafts, you know, leather goods, whatever.

2138
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:18,630
Glass blowing, who knows. You know, it has to be something where we'll go, and some locals will go.

2139
02:34:18,970 --> 02:34:21,730
And some tourists that are in town, hey, let's go check it out.

2140
02:34:22,370 --> 02:34:32,630
You know, if you go to a lot of these major cities, you see how that urban area is turned into a kind of an artsy, you know, where crafts people basically, you know,

2141
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:36,050
Whether it's leather goods, purses, dance classes.

2142
02:34:36,650 --> 02:34:39,010
Well, I don't know about that, but art is folk,

2143
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:40,590
all kinds of things, you know.

2144
02:34:41,330 --> 02:34:44,310
But yeah, it's gotta be something that we're gonna.

2145
02:34:45,130 --> 02:34:46,850
We're very much wanting to do something.

2146
02:34:47,090 --> 02:34:48,010
Let me just put it that way.

2147
02:34:48,090 --> 02:34:49,070
I think it's very important,

2148
02:34:49,130 --> 02:34:50,990
it's just a matter of getting the community involved

2149
02:34:50,990 --> 02:34:53,150
as well and figuring out what we want.

2150
02:34:53,170 --> 02:34:54,350
Not every building's gonna be safe.

2151
02:34:54,730 --> 02:34:56,130
Yeah, and we understand that.

2152
02:34:56,410 --> 02:34:57,810
And what we want to do,

2153
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:59,610
the Web County Heritage Foundation wants to do,

2154
02:34:59,730 --> 02:35:02,150
is basically we want to build community.

2155
02:35:02,150 --> 02:35:06,570
I know in the past we have focused a lot on tourism, but tourism isn't what it used to.

2156
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:11,110
So we are focusing on the people from Laredo and Webb County.

2157
02:35:11,310 --> 02:35:18,790
We want them to come down to this really wonderful facility that we have that has been used or

2158
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:21,210
underused and we want people to just come.

2159
02:35:21,610 --> 02:35:25,970
This past month we've had over a thousand people visit the museum and we're very grateful

2160
02:35:25,970 --> 02:35:28,230
to you all for letting us use the museum.

2161
02:35:28,230 --> 02:35:35,790
we've had a very successful pumpkin patch with Lovato Main Street and we've also had

2162
02:35:35,790 --> 02:35:41,590
movies on the patio that are very very successful so we are working into bringing more of the locals

2163
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:46,450
and if we build that interest people will continue to come down with county has proven time and

2164
02:35:46,450 --> 02:35:51,030
time again this commissioner's court has proven time and time again that we are wanting to make

2165
02:35:51,030 --> 02:35:56,930
sure to re uh establish ourselves downtown to be able to you know read you downtown we've

2166
02:35:56,930 --> 02:36:00,970
spent a lot of money here downtown. So we're very proud of that and we're going to continue

2167
02:36:00,970 --> 02:36:09,650
doing that. So this will be no, it just needs to get done. I guess our concerns are there's

2168
02:36:09,650 --> 02:36:14,870
priorities and there's priorities and then there's priorities, right? But this is definitely

2169
02:36:14,870 --> 02:36:17,150
one of those and we just got to do it. So thank you.

2170
02:36:17,330 --> 02:36:19,630
Thank you very much. Thank you for your time and thank you for your support.

2171
02:36:20,430 --> 02:36:21,350
Appreciate it. Kendra.

2172
02:36:22,390 --> 02:36:26,730
Just one quick comment. The one thing we want to distress and I know you know

2173
02:36:26,730 --> 02:36:30,650
this already, is the location of this butts up with the Border Heritage Museum, so the

2174
02:36:30,650 --> 02:36:35,890
synergies there of what we were going to do is work towards turning this into a larger

2175
02:36:35,890 --> 02:36:39,570
area, because the Border Heritage Museum, as you know, we have movies on the patio and

2176
02:36:39,570 --> 02:36:43,930
outside activities, we've just increased the footprint. So it's not just one building

2177
02:36:43,930 --> 02:36:50,110
or two buildings here, but adding all the – in addition with that. So that type

2178
02:36:50,110 --> 02:36:53,370
of thing, what we were really requesting was a release of the first branch for the

2179
02:36:53,370 --> 02:36:58,750
planning and cleaning up this area as you see it's a mass potential for

2180
02:36:58,750 --> 02:37:03,330
homelessness and destruction so looking for a first tranche of stabilization

2181
02:37:03,330 --> 02:37:07,270
funds. We've been going through that with Commissioner Heim has been very

2182
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:11,730
instrumental as well on helping out with the actually spearheading a lot of

2183
02:37:11,730 --> 02:37:18,930
it too. The veterans so we understand what's going on. I want to think

2184
02:37:18,930 --> 02:37:22,010
I think Andrea has done an excellent job.

2185
02:37:22,210 --> 02:37:30,130
She has brought a lot of our youth into downtown and so the Heritage Museum has been utilized

2186
02:37:30,130 --> 02:37:31,650
more than it has been.

2187
02:37:32,330 --> 02:37:40,630
I know that I think the court moved to stabilize the building so that I think that we're in

2188
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:41,170
that point.

2189
02:37:41,170 --> 02:37:50,410
point. I agree with Commissioner Galo's comment in where we have to understand where we have

2190
02:37:50,410 --> 02:37:56,770
to be moving towards a master plan for not just this building but the county's interest

2191
02:37:56,770 --> 02:38:04,750
in downtown. I think that there is an aggressive position by a developer to go ahead and create

2192
02:38:04,750 --> 02:38:10,930
work space downtown and I think it'll increase and complement the need for

2193
02:38:10,930 --> 02:38:17,930
housing and restaurants and then after that we will go ahead and see the

2194
02:38:17,930 --> 02:38:24,210
arts and crafts. So I see a public benefit in investing in downtown. I think

2195
02:38:24,210 --> 02:38:29,750
the option that we have if we don't take any action is that we'll go ahead

2196
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:33,510
and just keep buildings into a certain standard

2197
02:38:33,510 --> 02:38:37,970
that is subpar with the code, right, city code.

2198
02:38:38,470 --> 02:38:40,210
We have a lot of old buildings

2199
02:38:40,210 --> 02:38:44,090
that don't have sprinkler systems.

2200
02:38:44,870 --> 02:38:48,110
I have personally responded to a whole bunch of fires

2201
02:38:48,110 --> 02:38:48,890
around the area.

2202
02:38:49,370 --> 02:38:51,710
So there is an interest, like the judge said,

2203
02:38:52,230 --> 02:38:53,890
and thank you for your presentation.

2204
02:38:54,450 --> 02:38:55,310
Thank you very much.

2205
02:38:55,410 --> 02:38:56,050
Thank you for your time.

2206
02:38:56,230 --> 02:38:56,650
Thank you.

2207
02:38:56,670 --> 02:38:57,210
Thank you, Adriana.

2208
02:38:58,050 --> 02:38:58,830
Item 33.

2209
02:38:58,830 --> 02:39:05,170
This one is, I think they're going to take about 10 minutes as well, presentation by

2210
02:39:05,170 --> 02:39:10,170
London Consulting Group representatives with further discussion and possible action to

2211
02:39:10,170 --> 02:39:15,670
conduct a feasibility study to determine Webb County, Webb County's most pressing

2212
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:21,630
needs and potential inefficiencies to include strategic priorities, operational bottlenecks,

2213
02:39:21,810 --> 02:39:28,510
financial relevance, constituent impact, digital readiness, and leadership commitment

2214
02:39:28,510 --> 02:39:30,150
and any other matters instead of there too.

2215
02:39:30,570 --> 02:39:31,410
How are you all?

2216
02:39:32,190 --> 02:39:33,210
Thank you all for being patient.

2217
02:39:33,530 --> 02:39:33,930
Good morning.

2218
02:39:34,310 --> 02:39:34,510
Good morning.

2219
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:35,470
Good morning.

2220
02:39:36,150 --> 02:39:36,530
Yes, good morning.

2221
02:39:37,350 --> 02:39:38,210
Commissioners, good morning.

2222
02:39:39,070 --> 02:39:39,430
Good morning.

2223
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:41,730
Thank you very much for taking the time

2224
02:39:41,730 --> 02:39:43,470
and we prepared a slide deck

2225
02:39:43,470 --> 02:39:45,030
so we would like to present you

2226
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:49,390
and our objective today is to answer a simple question

2227
02:39:49,930 --> 02:39:52,710
which is full of different intricacies

2228
02:39:52,710 --> 02:39:55,310
and that is how can we deliver a better constituent.

2229
02:39:55,330 --> 02:39:55,990
Excuse me, can you say

2230
02:39:55,990 --> 02:39:57,090
two names for the records please?

2231
02:39:57,090 --> 02:40:05,290
of course I'm Enrique Cervantes and I'm Carlos Martinez thank you so how can we

2232
02:40:05,290 --> 02:40:10,010
deliver a better constituent experience by operating more efficiently leveraging

2233
02:40:10,010 --> 02:40:16,610
technology and people and that's what we've done across different countries if

2234
02:40:16,610 --> 02:40:20,590
you could change to the next one I would like to start with this phrase

2235
02:40:20,590 --> 02:40:26,190
briefly about system will be the good person every time because in terms of

2236
02:40:26,190 --> 02:40:29,390
organizations systems are what allows people

2237
02:40:29,390 --> 02:40:31,710
to operate in their best possible way.

2238
02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:34,250
More efficiently, but also in terms of

2239
02:40:34,250 --> 02:40:36,210
how can you improve employee engagement.

2240
02:40:36,510 --> 02:40:38,710
And sometimes if you have a bad system,

2241
02:40:39,170 --> 02:40:41,630
that system ends up even beating a person

2242
02:40:41,630 --> 02:40:43,670
that wants to do things differently.

2243
02:40:44,810 --> 02:40:46,770
If you could change to the next one please.

2244
02:40:47,370 --> 02:40:49,710
So this is a brief overview of who we are.

2245
02:40:50,030 --> 02:40:54,710
We are a consulting firm that has been in business

2246
02:40:54,710 --> 02:41:02,530
for more than 35 years, operating across 25 countries and helping more than 2,000 clients,

2247
02:41:02,990 --> 02:41:11,830
both public and private organizations, and we focus on delivering value across four practices.

2248
02:41:12,190 --> 02:41:18,010
Strategy, which is defining what's the vision of an organization and translating that vision

2249
02:41:18,010 --> 02:41:19,950
into a roadmap for execution.

2250
02:41:19,950 --> 02:41:25,390
operational excellence, which has to do with how can we operate in a way that's more efficient

2251
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:33,030
so that we generate savings that can be used in other critical aspects of the organization.

2252
02:41:33,610 --> 02:41:37,830
The third one is people and culture. In the end, all the organizations are the people

2253
02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:42,930
that man them, and the organizational culture, as Mr. Porter would say,

2254
02:41:42,930 --> 02:41:49,330
strategy every day, and that's because culture is where people are able to develop themselves

2255
02:41:49,330 --> 02:41:54,390
and to deliver a service or approach better for their constituents.

2256
02:41:54,810 --> 02:41:59,010
And finally, digital, which has to do with how can we leverage technology.

2257
02:41:59,370 --> 02:42:01,850
But technology has to work for a purpose.

2258
02:42:02,170 --> 02:42:07,230
It's not just technology for technology's sake, but technology so that you can operate

2259
02:42:07,230 --> 02:42:11,970
in a better way and provide a better experience in this case for your constituents.

2260
02:42:11,970 --> 02:42:19,310
So in a nutshell, that's who we are, and our process always starts with first a discovery.

2261
02:42:19,850 --> 02:42:21,190
Where are those opportunities?

2262
02:42:22,030 --> 02:42:25,970
I said those opportunities so that then we can go into a transformation phase.

2263
02:42:26,330 --> 02:42:30,650
How can we transform the organization so that it can operate more efficiently?

2264
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:36,310
It can use technology and also give the elements for people to operate in a better way.

2265
02:42:36,310 --> 02:42:48,010
And once that transformation goes and we help working shoulder-to-shoulder throughout the whole length of a project, ensure that it's continuity.

2266
02:42:48,690 --> 02:42:51,810
Ensure that that transformation continues after we leave.

2267
02:42:52,210 --> 02:42:58,170
In the end, we want to give you the tools and the elements to operate in a better way, not that we operate for you.

2268
02:42:58,450 --> 02:43:04,050
That's why we work shoulder-to-shoulder to ensure that after we leave you have sustainable results

2269
02:43:04,050 --> 02:43:07,350
and you go into a continuous improvement culture.

2270
02:43:09,210 --> 02:43:12,170
And if you could change the next one,

2271
02:43:12,490 --> 02:43:14,730
it all starts with the discovery.

2272
02:43:15,270 --> 02:43:18,110
And for us to engage in a project first,

2273
02:43:18,250 --> 02:43:20,610
we want to understand where those opportunities lie,

2274
02:43:20,790 --> 02:43:22,710
and that's what we're proposing today,

2275
02:43:22,850 --> 02:43:25,830
a feasibility study, and I'll let my colleague Carlos

2276
02:43:25,830 --> 02:43:28,050
go more profoundly into it.

2277
02:43:28,370 --> 02:43:29,010
Thank you, Ricky.

2278
02:43:30,170 --> 02:43:33,250
Yes, so the whole process is about the risking

2279
02:43:33,250 --> 02:43:38,130
the processor. I was listening to you, I was hearing how you were talking about how can

2280
02:43:38,130 --> 02:43:43,130
we mitigate that risk and understand ahead of time before jumping into a large investment

2281
02:43:43,830 --> 02:43:48,930
what are we going to get, what are the opportunities. So that's how our process is drafted. The

2282
02:43:48,930 --> 02:43:55,410
first part is to do what we call a feasibility study and that feasibility includes a maturity

2283
02:43:55,410 --> 02:44:02,330
assessment of processes, technology, people on culture, organization and with that

2284
02:44:02,330 --> 02:44:06,410
you get a very good glance of how the county is currently operating.

2285
02:44:07,290 --> 02:44:08,790
We do a matriculation assessment.

2286
02:44:08,970 --> 02:44:12,650
We do some data analytics to put some numbers into it and data points.

2287
02:44:13,570 --> 02:44:18,210
As you're going to jump into making a decision of where to tackle how to what to prioritize,

2288
02:44:18,770 --> 02:44:21,930
we need to have the numbers clear so that's where we run those analytics.

2289
02:44:22,630 --> 02:44:24,870
And we also do the constituent journey.

2290
02:44:25,070 --> 02:44:30,290
So we map out the counties all about providing a service to the county itself, to the

2291
02:44:30,290 --> 02:44:30,730
constituents.

2292
02:44:30,730 --> 02:44:35,950
So we map out the journeys in the processes that we evaluate and tell you potential gaps

2293
02:44:35,950 --> 02:44:37,790
in those, in that journey.

2294
02:44:38,350 --> 02:44:39,830
We'll help you with the next one, please.

2295
02:44:41,010 --> 02:44:46,990
As we're doing this analysis, we use this framework that's called SPDC, SPCD for me,

2296
02:44:47,670 --> 02:44:54,790
which stands for automation, service, processes, the cost, and digital and technology.

2297
02:44:54,930 --> 02:44:58,210
So these are the aspects that we evaluate in the, in the county's operation.

2298
02:44:58,690 --> 02:44:59,730
and at the end of the day

2299
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,380
We're able to deliver you with a very comprehensive roadmap and gaps on each of these elements so

2300
02:45:07,380 --> 02:45:09,760
that you can create a strategy moving forward.

2301
02:45:12,140 --> 02:45:18,260
So these are the outcomes from this feasibility study. We take all the analysis. At the end

2302
02:45:18,260 --> 02:45:23,080
of the day, you get a timeline. You get the methodology. You get the gaps in the aspects

2303
02:45:23,080 --> 02:45:27,660
that I mentioned. And you're able to or we're able to build a roadmap on what to

2304
02:45:27,660 --> 02:45:28,780
to execute on next.

2305
02:45:32,040 --> 02:45:34,640
So the outcomes from a process like this

2306
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:37,580
of doing a transformation will come in different flavors,

2307
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:38,160
I'm gonna say.

2308
02:45:39,300 --> 02:45:42,460
We have management improvements, operational excellence,

2309
02:45:43,080 --> 02:45:45,740
financial outcomes and cost savings as well,

2310
02:45:46,280 --> 02:45:49,120
technology and data, and the constituent experience.

2311
02:45:51,780 --> 02:45:53,440
And talking about the timeline,

2312
02:45:53,740 --> 02:45:55,620
what we're proposing as I said is the first step,

2313
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:56,940
which is a feasibility study,

2314
02:45:57,540 --> 02:45:58,860
taking account to the department

2315
02:45:58,860 --> 02:46:01,240
and analyzing all the perspectives that I mentioned.

2316
02:46:02,040 --> 02:46:05,520
So these last two weeks, so it's a two-week engagement

2317
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:07,040
to understand these elements.

2318
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:09,700
And then after that, we can make a definition

2319
02:46:09,700 --> 02:46:13,160
of whether we want to tackle some of those opportunities

2320
02:46:13,160 --> 02:46:14,420
or what do we do next.

2321
02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:16,240
Is this your standard two weeks?

2322
02:46:16,360 --> 02:46:18,400
Because I don't see it happening in two weeks, but anyways.

2323
02:46:19,100 --> 02:46:21,960
Yes, the standard two weeks is for the feasibility study.

2324
02:46:22,440 --> 02:46:23,360
Minimum two weeks.

2325
02:46:24,060 --> 02:46:25,760
Yeah, it starts with two weeks.

2326
02:46:25,960 --> 02:46:28,020
And after those two weeks, we make a definition

2327
02:46:28,020 --> 02:46:32,820
issue of what are the products that we want to take on and those products could last anywhere

2328
02:46:32,820 --> 02:46:39,600
from three months to eight months. But first we want to look at what's the potential and

2329
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:42,920
then once we have that we're going to have more elements to make a decision.

2330
02:46:44,220 --> 02:46:50,680
So if I may, please, like here in Webb County, so what would you look at? We'll look at

2331
02:46:50,680 --> 02:46:56,580
the processes we'll map out the processes for the county. For example, the procurement

2332
02:46:56,580 --> 02:47:01,680
process. What are the different steps? What are the gaps? What are the tools and technology

2333
02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:07,760
that are being used? If you use the template, the format, what are the metrics that you use

2334
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:13,360
to evaluate those processes? Cycle times, productivity, things of that nature that

2335
02:47:13,360 --> 02:47:13,720
we rely on?

2336
02:47:13,740 --> 02:47:16,340
That's just one example, because there's a whole bunch of them. That's what I was

2337
02:47:16,340 --> 02:47:21,360
trying to tell you at the office the other day. Webb County, I mean, it's basically

2338
02:47:21,360 --> 02:47:24,640
It's actually an open statute, though.

2339
02:47:24,920 --> 02:47:26,600
We can only follow what the statute said.

2340
02:47:27,080 --> 02:47:30,420
Yes, but I guess what I wanted to see, not just,

2341
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:32,060
I mean, he brought that example up,

2342
02:47:32,120 --> 02:47:33,700
but there's a lot of other examples that I think

2343
02:47:33,700 --> 02:47:36,220
that we could look into to see how we could streamline things.

2344
02:47:36,380 --> 02:47:37,060
That's a feasibility.

2345
02:47:37,860 --> 02:47:39,580
Absolutely, yes, and actually.

2346
02:47:39,860 --> 02:47:40,300
Give me one second.

2347
02:47:42,960 --> 02:47:47,320
So, I appreciate the concept of having

2348
02:47:47,320 --> 02:47:55,060
I mean, like a nodded within our system, but, you know, we do follow a lot of

2349
02:47:55,060 --> 02:48:00,260
statue and I guess the subject experts are the department heads, right?

2350
02:48:00,460 --> 02:48:10,120
And so for me, I know that Mr. Uribe oversees the budget every year and I think

2351
02:48:10,120 --> 02:48:16,460
that, you know, I've been witness on the hard work that he and his team kind

2352
02:48:16,460 --> 02:48:22,400
to put everything together so they could go ahead and present it at least to the court.

2353
02:48:22,820 --> 02:48:26,000
And I've been a witness to that for the last three years.

2354
02:48:26,580 --> 02:48:30,160
I think that they're very frugal with a lot of the systems.

2355
02:48:30,920 --> 02:48:38,600
We are designed where they put a system in where they'll go ahead and inform department

2356
02:48:38,600 --> 02:48:44,640
heads within the county to submit items that might be considered during budget.

2357
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:52,980
it. And I think that they take a very extensive dive within the subject matter experts' requests,

2358
02:48:53,220 --> 02:49:01,700
right? And so to me, I think that we already have a system that kind of oversees each other

2359
02:49:01,700 --> 02:49:08,840
because we have the auditor that would chime in to make sure that we are following, I

2360
02:49:08,840 --> 02:49:13,640
guess, either the procurement process or the expenditure. And so there's a checks

2361
02:49:13,640 --> 02:49:19,700
and balance system that's already in play and I appreciate your presentation you

2362
02:49:20,220 --> 02:49:25,520
know but for me I have reservations because I think that Mr. Odevan and his

2363
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:30,800
team are doing a good job and you know but that's the comment I wanted to go

2364
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:36,790
ahead and make. Okay again I'm just trying to figure out where you know I'm not

2365
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:40,170
doubting you can help us I'm just saying how would you focus where do you

2366
02:49:40,170 --> 02:49:44,890
luck because like I said you know we the purchasing problem. That was one of the

2367
02:49:44,890 --> 02:49:49,170
questions that they asked me because they're just giving you an example of

2368
02:49:49,170 --> 02:49:52,150
what they can do what they wanted from this court that's the reason why they're

2369
02:49:52,150 --> 02:49:56,390
doing a presentation is he asked me where do you want to see us focus and I said

2370
02:49:56,390 --> 02:49:59,610
well that's something I think the question for the commissioners court so

2371
02:49:59,610 --> 02:50:03,290
it'd be where where do you where would you like to see them focus on and I

2372
02:50:03,290 --> 02:50:07,250
think that's what they could try to do. Yes thank you so trying to to

2373
02:50:07,250 --> 02:50:13,910
address the comments and questions. Absolutely. You have, I think, over thirty-four departments

2374
02:50:13,910 --> 02:50:19,830
in the county, so we'll have to focus on those efforts, and that will be based on where

2375
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:24,950
you think that you have the more opportunities, right? And of course, we'll work on the

2376
02:50:24,950 --> 02:50:29,130
process with Mr. Uribe. He's going to be the one leading the process. What we bring

2377
02:50:29,130 --> 02:50:35,130
to the table, it's the expertise, the methodology, and also resources to execute the analysis

2378
02:50:35,130 --> 02:50:40,210
is based on that methodology, right, and then give Mr. Rive and you as commissioners and

2379
02:50:40,210 --> 02:50:45,570
judge give you the information and the tools so that we can create that roadmap of improvements,

2380
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:45,910
right?

2381
02:50:46,850 --> 02:50:53,550
Well, I can tell you right now, for me, if there was, I don't know how you would do

2382
02:50:53,550 --> 02:50:59,010
it, but I'm saying a process really to empower our directors, because I think you

2383
02:50:59,010 --> 02:51:01,470
sat through the meeting, you know, we had directors up here.

2384
02:51:01,470 --> 02:51:08,170
I want solutions that's what you know the directors are there not to say well we got this here guys

2385
02:51:08,170 --> 02:51:12,990
What do you want to do? No, I want to plan saying here how we can approve our system

2386
02:51:13,470 --> 02:51:19,830
Commissioners court I would like you to you know vote on it or to give them incentive to to you know

2387
02:51:19,830 --> 02:51:21,630
Go above and beyond. I mean

2388
02:51:25,030 --> 02:51:30,810
Yes, and and I don't answer that so if you remember one of the studies that I presented there is a

2389
02:51:30,810 --> 02:51:34,130
that constituent journey and the digital maturity, right?

2390
02:51:34,210 --> 02:51:36,130
So we map the processes and identify

2391
02:51:36,810 --> 02:51:38,290
what those solutions are,

2392
02:51:38,550 --> 02:51:43,170
because it will be dependent on what are your current systems

2393
02:51:43,170 --> 02:51:45,570
and what's the technology that you have in place, the data.

2394
02:51:46,170 --> 02:51:47,770
And then once we map that out,

2395
02:51:47,890 --> 02:51:50,490
and that's why we wanna propose that feasibility first,

2396
02:51:51,010 --> 02:51:53,510
instead of telling you we're selling this tool

2397
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:54,690
or we're selling this process

2398
02:51:54,690 --> 02:51:56,350
and we want you to implement it,

2399
02:51:56,970 --> 02:51:59,070
we don't know yet until we do the feasibility.

2400
02:51:59,070 --> 02:52:01,750
That's the first step to de-risk the process.

2401
02:52:02,450 --> 02:52:06,630
Again, we kind of don't know really what we need.

2402
02:52:06,770 --> 02:52:08,670
We kind of almost need somebody to tell us what we need.

2403
02:52:08,670 --> 02:52:09,710
What's the feasibility?

2404
02:52:10,190 --> 02:52:11,550
What's the cost of the feasibility?

2405
02:52:12,050 --> 02:52:17,010
Yes, so the feasibility study, it's $15,000 plus expenses,

2406
02:52:17,290 --> 02:52:20,970
which is for just covers lodging and local transportation

2407
02:52:20,970 --> 02:52:22,410
and for the two weeks.

2408
02:52:23,330 --> 02:52:24,650
So that's about it.

2409
02:52:24,890 --> 02:52:27,430
And with that, even if you don't move forward

2410
02:52:27,430 --> 02:52:31,950
with any of the solutions, you already have a very comprehensive report that allows you

2411
02:52:31,950 --> 02:52:35,330
to create a strategy, right, and a path forward with the department.

2412
02:52:35,330 --> 02:52:37,830
The report would consist at all departments?

2413
02:52:39,050 --> 02:52:43,210
No, the 15,000 will cover one department that you will have to select.

2414
02:52:43,330 --> 02:52:43,990
Oh, one department?

2415
02:52:44,510 --> 02:52:44,670
Yes.

2416
02:52:47,620 --> 02:52:52,980
And if I could ask Mr. Medford, would you recommend certain departments?

2417
02:52:53,820 --> 02:52:54,460
Not 25.

2418
02:52:54,460 --> 02:53:02,160
Because in the end of the day, I mean, we have an established chain of command, right?

2419
02:53:02,300 --> 02:53:08,600
And so for the most part, it becomes very tricky because a lot of department heads are

2420
02:53:08,600 --> 02:53:09,800
elected officials, right?

2421
02:53:09,980 --> 02:53:17,980
And so if they, you could, well, I guess within the departments that the county sees,

2422
02:53:18,140 --> 02:53:18,260
right?

2423
02:53:18,360 --> 02:53:23,340
But the department heads, they fall under Mr. Medford's realm, right, within the

2424
02:53:23,340 --> 02:53:23,920
chain of command.

2425
02:53:23,920 --> 02:53:39,220
And so all sectors in the county, right, at least most of them that have, I guess, I guess a, if the

2426
02:53:39,220 --> 02:53:43,420
constituents going to have an experience, they're going to have it with most elected officials.

2427
02:53:43,740 --> 02:53:51,080
And so they are held accountable to their experience, right? And I guess their directives

2428
02:53:51,080 --> 02:53:57,680
come from them, right? By statute. Within the other ones, I mean, I think Mr. Medford

2429
02:53:57,680 --> 02:54:03,680
is the one that oversees them, you know, and I think that he's doing a good job, right? I

2430
02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:07,880
think that he oversees those departments. If there are issues, I guess the checks and

2431
02:54:07,880 --> 02:54:13,280
balances is the relationship we have with him, but I think that since I've been here,

2432
02:54:13,400 --> 02:54:18,100
I think he has a healthy relationship with those departments. So, I mean.

2433
02:54:19,080 --> 02:54:24,360
I think what he said we have I think what is it 23 or 28 elected officials not

2434
02:54:26,060 --> 02:54:34,120
Anyway, we have like the tax office the district attorney the county attorney, you know those things work

2435
02:54:34,120 --> 02:54:39,200
I'm sure all of those departments could use improvement, but we have no supervision over there

2436
02:54:39,740 --> 02:54:42,660
So only the departments, you know road and bridge

2437
02:54:43,480 --> 02:54:45,200
You know part what?

2438
02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:55,080
Planning, engineering, the other big department is building maintenance, you know, those type

2439
02:54:55,080 --> 02:54:58,260
of things really where we have direct influence over them.

2440
02:54:58,620 --> 02:55:05,880
Yes, so the process, the first thing we wanted to get done is to present you with the methodology

2441
02:55:05,880 --> 02:55:11,180
and the potential of the things that we do so that you can, we'll have an understanding

2442
02:55:11,180 --> 02:55:14,720
of what's our methodology, but then the next step, and actually on the timeline

2443
02:55:14,720 --> 02:55:19,660
that we had there up on the screen. The next step is to agree on how to focus those efforts,

2444
02:55:19,760 --> 02:55:24,440
but if you agree with doing something like this, now it's where do we do it and how do

2445
02:55:24,440 --> 02:55:25,420
we focus those efforts.

2446
02:55:25,940 --> 02:55:28,860
Have you performed any work for any counties in the state?

2447
02:55:30,260 --> 02:55:35,700
Yes, in the, yeah. We have done it for many private companies and also public entities.

2448
02:55:35,980 --> 02:55:36,700
But which county?

2449
02:55:37,240 --> 02:55:37,600
A county?

2450
02:55:37,700 --> 02:55:38,480
Which county government?

2451
02:55:38,520 --> 02:55:43,340
Specific counties. I'll have to check on our database. I'm not sure about that.

2452
02:55:43,340 --> 02:55:45,800
Like I said, because we operate very different from the city.

2453
02:55:46,460 --> 02:55:52,860
The city, you know, there's a lot more processes there that you could, you know, I think, dig your teeth into.

2454
02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:59,500
Here, like I said, we're so restricted by statute, you know, they tell us, you have to do this, this, and this.

2455
02:55:59,720 --> 02:56:01,900
Whether it makes sense or not, we still have to do it, you know?

2456
02:56:01,940 --> 02:56:11,460
Yes. And our expertise is in that understanding the operating model, regardless of the industry and the entity, the organization.

2457
02:56:11,460 --> 02:56:17,180
But it's operating that model and that the concept that I talked about technology processes people and organizations

2458
02:56:17,180 --> 02:56:21,140
So that's what we will analyze and understand. I guess judge what we need to do

2459
02:56:21,140 --> 02:56:25,100
I mean like our biggest budget a part of our budget is

2460
02:56:25,580 --> 02:56:29,220
The sheriff in the jail, you know, obviously that would I think be good

2461
02:56:29,220 --> 02:56:34,280
I think we need to reach out to the public officials and say would you like your department analyzed?

2462
02:56:34,620 --> 02:56:37,480
Maybe they can do so you guys are understanding that when they brought this to me

2463
02:56:37,480 --> 02:56:42,100
I mean, it's been there twice, and I just, it's, you could really open this up.

2464
02:56:42,320 --> 02:56:43,360
I mean, it just depends on how much we want to.

2465
02:56:43,360 --> 02:56:46,860
Well, ask the public officials to see if they would like, you know, to participate.

2466
02:56:47,220 --> 02:56:49,960
Would I agree with the sheriff and the jail?

2467
02:56:50,280 --> 02:56:50,700
Those are very...

2468
02:56:50,700 --> 02:56:52,340
But we can't do it on our own, I don't think.

2469
02:56:52,500 --> 02:56:53,140
No, we can't.

2470
02:56:53,140 --> 02:56:53,860
We have to bring them on.

2471
02:56:53,940 --> 02:56:59,980
I mean, I guess we could, but I mean, you know, to implement whatever the changes,

2472
02:57:00,620 --> 02:57:01,660
they would have to buy in.

2473
02:57:01,740 --> 02:57:03,560
So, I'd rather have them buy in first.

2474
02:57:04,460 --> 02:57:07,460
Leroy, can you just, can we, you know, I think we already have an idea.

2475
02:57:07,460 --> 02:57:12,880
idea of what's going on here, maybe we could continue working with the London group and maybe

2476
02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:18,740
bring them on in a couple of weeks to be able to see what exactly we're wanting to do.

2477
02:57:18,840 --> 02:57:19,120
How's that?

2478
02:57:19,540 --> 02:57:23,280
Judge Commissioner Leroy Medford for the record, I'm intrigued by the item.

2479
02:57:23,400 --> 02:57:27,560
I wasn't aware of the details of what they would be presenting this morning or this

2480
02:57:27,560 --> 02:57:33,760
afternoon now, but certainly I could easily prioritize departments that I would think

2481
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:40,760
would be the best beneficial in having them you know review or go through the

2482
02:57:40,760 --> 02:57:45,020
processes we have priority service departments but elected officials is a

2483
02:57:45,020 --> 02:57:49,260
whole nother ballgame as you know I'm saying reach out to them just say offer

2484
02:57:49,260 --> 02:57:53,200
this service and I'm not expecting you ought to come back by the way I mean you

2485
02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:56,420
are fine and we could just bring it back on you know we had to we could do

2486
02:57:56,420 --> 02:57:58,820
it on WebEx you've already been here presentation you don't have to be

2487
02:57:58,820 --> 02:58:01,920
coming every often but that's just if you don't mind let's do that

2488
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:02,200
Are they right?

2489
02:58:02,540 --> 02:58:03,180
Y'all don't believe that?

2490
02:58:04,100 --> 02:58:09,600
I mean, I would hope to go ahead and get more information on your county government experience

2491
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:10,500
within the state.

2492
02:58:10,620 --> 02:58:19,660
I would hate to explore such an inquiry with someone that hasn't done any work within the

2493
02:58:19,660 --> 02:58:20,140
county government.

2494
02:58:21,180 --> 02:58:21,620
Absolutely.

2495
02:58:21,800 --> 02:58:23,340
We could get his experience, Leroy.

2496
02:58:24,180 --> 02:58:24,800
Thank you.

2497
02:58:25,180 --> 02:58:25,400
Yes, sir.

2498
02:58:25,480 --> 02:58:25,760
Thank you.

2499
02:58:26,200 --> 02:58:26,980
Thank you so much.

2500
02:58:27,060 --> 02:58:27,960
Thank you all very much.

2501
02:58:28,120 --> 02:58:28,560
Appreciate it.

2502
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:42,300
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next we have item 28 commissioner. Thank you. I'm going to have Mr. Pena. He's going to present.

2503
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:58,660
Well, discussing the possible actions to approve a permanent exemption of the maximum of $15 part-time hourly rate of $22 maximum of all Web County constables. This is kind of what I would second that. And I would like to ask, I don't know if the sheriff.

2504
02:58:58,660 --> 02:59:00,140
That was easy enough, don't you think?

2505
02:59:02,680 --> 02:59:03,280
They've left.

2506
02:59:03,540 --> 02:59:04,680
Does the sheriff have any people?

2507
02:59:04,840 --> 02:59:06,480
Does he ever do part-time peace officers?

2508
02:59:06,900 --> 02:59:07,380
Jesse, do you know?

2509
02:59:07,960 --> 02:59:09,000
I'm not sure if he still does.

2510
02:59:09,120 --> 02:59:10,260
I know if he's had in the past.

2511
02:59:11,140 --> 02:59:14,480
During COVID, the court went ahead and hired

2512
02:59:15,160 --> 02:59:17,840
the for-daiders, if I'm not mistaken.

2513
02:59:18,320 --> 02:59:20,820
Well, I would just go ahead and add, you know,

2514
02:59:21,440 --> 02:59:23,540
I guess anybody that we have,

2515
02:59:23,800 --> 02:59:25,880
I know at the fairgrounds we use people also,

2516
02:59:25,880 --> 02:59:27,980
so as long as they're certified peace officers, right?

2517
02:59:28,480 --> 02:59:28,840
Exactly.

2518
02:59:29,020 --> 02:59:30,000
They would have to be certified.

2519
02:59:30,120 --> 02:59:31,000
But this goal for everybody?

2520
02:59:31,400 --> 02:59:34,000
That's a key word, certified peace officers.

2521
02:59:34,680 --> 02:59:37,320
So I would add blanket everybody

2522
02:59:37,320 --> 02:59:39,320
that's a certified peace officer at $22.

2523
02:59:39,780 --> 02:59:41,680
That works, no, part time.

2524
02:59:42,260 --> 02:59:42,800
For part time.

2525
02:59:43,080 --> 02:59:43,140
Yeah.

2526
02:59:43,420 --> 02:59:43,840
It was easy.

2527
02:59:44,100 --> 02:59:48,300
Honorable George, members of the commission of support

2528
02:59:48,300 --> 02:59:49,600
for the record, Javier and Venya

2529
02:59:51,220 --> 02:59:54,360
under Ricky Hyman's office, but it's.

2530
02:59:54,360 --> 02:59:55,740
We got a motion. We got a second.

2531
02:59:56,800 --> 02:59:57,960
Motion second. Any opposed?

2532
03:00:00,640 --> 03:00:07,360
Your first one, you're batting a thousand right now. All right, item 29, discussion of possible

2533
03:00:07,360 --> 03:00:12,480
action to enter in amendment number one for the consulting services agreement with McWilliams

2534
03:00:12,480 --> 03:00:18,520
Governmental Affairs Consultant, Inc., and it goes from, I think it's $10,000 a month.

2535
03:00:19,200 --> 03:00:25,940
Is this increasing monthly sum to $10,000 for additional consulting support? Is this,

2536
03:00:25,940 --> 03:00:27,280
Who was on my speaking with?

2537
03:00:28,340 --> 03:00:28,560
Nathan?

2538
03:00:30,080 --> 03:00:36,120
Is this on the off season as well or just peak season or on season of the year or what?

2539
03:00:36,420 --> 03:00:40,020
It's for three years.

2540
03:00:40,900 --> 03:00:44,360
So consistently $10,000 a month for three years?

2541
03:00:44,580 --> 03:00:48,620
Yes, and it also, the original was $6,500 a month?

2542
03:00:49,480 --> 03:00:52,140
For the state of Texas, and now that they're adding Washington.

2543
03:00:52,140 --> 03:00:58,960
But the amendment that they submitted to us dates back to January 1 for 10,000.

2544
03:00:58,960 --> 03:01:00,240
I don't think we could do that, can we?

2545
03:01:00,640 --> 03:01:01,640
No, I don't believe it.

2546
03:01:01,740 --> 03:01:03,220
But going forward, we can.

2547
03:01:03,420 --> 03:01:04,180
I don't think we could go back.

2548
03:01:04,180 --> 03:01:06,440
If you just give me a starting date, we can put that in there.

2549
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:09,760
If you want to understand, after November, whatever it is.

2550
03:01:10,080 --> 03:01:10,580
I'm OK with it.

2551
03:01:10,740 --> 03:01:11,280
I just know.

2552
03:01:11,440 --> 03:01:13,420
I mean, if y'all are OK with this, I know we don't.

2553
03:01:13,640 --> 03:01:16,620
What they've done for the state of Texas, I mean, y'all saw.

2554
03:01:17,180 --> 03:01:19,080
Yeah, no, it's completely different.

2555
03:01:19,200 --> 03:01:19,900
But above and beyond.

2556
03:01:19,900 --> 03:01:25,780
And didn't we pay Johnson $100 and something down there, Johnson Brothers?

2557
03:01:27,060 --> 03:01:34,520
I think it was $7,500 during the peak time and $5,000 in the off time.

2558
03:01:34,780 --> 03:01:36,280
Would that be the state or federal?

2559
03:01:36,300 --> 03:01:37,500
That would be for these states.

2560
03:01:37,900 --> 03:01:38,480
And they didn't do anything.

2561
03:01:38,620 --> 03:01:40,300
We've never really had anybody else.

2562
03:01:40,320 --> 03:01:42,100
We never talked to them.

2563
03:01:42,280 --> 03:01:42,900
We went to their office.

2564
03:01:43,360 --> 03:01:44,280
We got barbecued.

2565
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:45,520
Barbecued?

2566
03:01:46,740 --> 03:01:47,220
Yeah.

2567
03:01:48,140 --> 03:01:49,400
I'm going to move this motion.

2568
03:01:49,640 --> 03:01:49,800
Second.

2569
03:01:49,800 --> 03:01:52,080
I just think they're worth it.

2570
03:01:52,420 --> 03:01:55,020
I think what they bring to the table,

2571
03:01:55,520 --> 03:01:56,800
the amount of people that they bring,

2572
03:01:57,080 --> 03:01:59,280
the doors that they're opening are incredible.

2573
03:01:59,840 --> 03:02:01,960
And then I think, did you all like what you all saw this year?

2574
03:02:05,080 --> 03:02:08,460
I appreciate it, the trip and the experience.

2575
03:02:09,340 --> 03:02:13,000
I know that three years is a long commitment,

2576
03:02:13,080 --> 03:02:15,040
and I'm hoping to see if you guys get amended

2577
03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:17,220
to at least two years for a year,

2578
03:02:17,300 --> 03:02:18,860
and that way we could go ahead and see where,

2579
03:02:18,860 --> 03:02:26,140
Yeah, we can do it. We can terminate it anytime. Yeah, you want to do two years? Yes, you give a three month

2580
03:02:26,620 --> 03:02:31,820
something like a 90 day 90 day notice or something and now then I'll remove my amendment

2581
03:02:32,880 --> 03:02:35,300
Good. I have a motion. I have a second. Any opposed?

2582
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:43,940
Motion carries. Yes, use for clarification. Did you want that new fee the 10,000 to start November 1?

2583
03:02:47,440 --> 03:02:51,380
So it's going from $6,500 a month to $10,000 a month?

2584
03:02:51,740 --> 03:02:53,060
Yes, starting November 1st.

2585
03:02:53,080 --> 03:02:55,320
Starting November 1st.

2586
03:02:56,400 --> 03:02:57,000
Very good.

2587
03:02:57,640 --> 03:03:04,480
And let's go ahead and go into Executive Session, Item 26, which was Item 26,

2588
03:03:04,620 --> 03:03:08,160
discussing the possible action to consider a Chapter 381 Economic Development Agreement

2589
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:10,320
between Webb County and Kilham Development, LTD,

2590
03:03:10,320 --> 03:03:17,940
by approving the annual grant payment to kill them development LTD in the amount equivalent to 100% of uncommitted M and O and

2591
03:03:17,940 --> 03:03:20,760
business personnel property portion of the Valorium

2592
03:03:21,700 --> 03:03:22,740
Advalorum, this is

2593
03:03:24,180 --> 03:03:30,080
Typical at Valorum property tax generated by 32 downtown properties inside downtown tours

2594
03:03:30,080 --> 03:03:34,200
And then it goes on for item 30 just possible action

2595
03:03:34,200 --> 03:03:41,500
We're invoking section 551.087 to go into closed session for that item.

2596
03:03:41,660 --> 03:03:42,360
You're good.

2597
03:03:42,680 --> 03:03:42,940
You're good.

2598
03:03:43,380 --> 03:03:47,600
And discussion of possible actions to settle the claim presented by the law office of Eduardo

2599
03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:54,860
A. Castillo, PLCC for the client Teresa Hernandez, TriStar claim, and then item 31,

2600
03:03:55,000 --> 03:03:58,380
discussion of possible actions to approve the second amendment of solar, solar,

2601
03:03:58,720 --> 03:04:03,240
energies, lease, and the easement agreement between Webb County and the benefits.

2602
03:04:03,240 --> 03:04:07,680
we're going to go into the executive session the approximate time and he's

2603
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:10,040
abstaining from the back

2604
03:04:23,030 --> 03:04:29,570
and let's go ahead and move on item 26 first

2605
03:04:29,570 --> 03:04:35,450
item 26 discussing impossible actions to consider chapter 31 economic development

2606
03:04:35,450 --> 03:04:38,990
agreement between Webb County and Killham development mr. Braden

2607
03:04:51,240 --> 03:04:51,800
judge I

2608
03:04:51,800 --> 03:04:55,900
think we're recommending that you send this to outside the council to mr. James

2609
03:04:55,900 --> 03:05:05,440
Allison and for feasibility analysis by bond and financial advisers and table to matter

2610
03:05:05,440 --> 03:05:06,580
until we can get that.

2611
03:05:07,120 --> 03:05:08,440
So we're looking for feasibility.

2612
03:05:08,740 --> 03:05:09,500
What was the other thing?

2613
03:05:10,120 --> 03:05:10,600
Financial.

2614
03:05:10,720 --> 03:05:11,160
Financial.

2615
03:05:11,360 --> 03:05:16,380
And Judge, I would like to add to that that we – if they could help us with guidelines,

2616
03:05:17,080 --> 03:05:21,440
like we had for all the wind and solar, you know, or regular economic development

2617
03:05:21,440 --> 03:05:24,980
where you say, you meet these criteria, anybody would qualify.

2618
03:05:24,980 --> 03:05:31,680
Similar to what you have for the chapter 312 tax abatements. You need to have a guidelines in place to

2619
03:05:32,520 --> 03:05:38,960
Establish the basis for any of these 380 on agreement so we could help the killings properties and everybody else's as well

2620
03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:44,360
Downtown so we're just trying to figure that out or anywhere for that matter. Yeah, the line they meet that criteria

2621
03:05:45,060 --> 03:05:47,120
Yeah, no problem at all. So move

2622
03:05:47,660 --> 03:05:50,600
You have second already. Oh motion sec motion second any opposed

2623
03:05:51,720 --> 03:05:52,640
motion carries

2624
03:05:53,660 --> 03:06:00,620
and then that's item 26 so then give us one second and then item 30 discuss in

2625
03:06:00,620 --> 03:06:03,200
the possible actions to settle the claim presented by law officers over to

2626
03:06:03,200 --> 03:06:08,960
what the Castillo motion second any opposed at the terms discussed in the

2627
03:06:08,960 --> 03:06:13,020
we're just asking for authority to settle within the terms is discussed in

2628
03:06:13,020 --> 03:06:17,020
executive session very good second motion second any opposed

2629
03:06:22,580 --> 03:06:28,620
I am 31 discussing the possibility to approve the second amendment of Solar Energy, Gran

2630
03:06:30,900 --> 03:06:36,200
Solar, that's what it's called, and it doesn't say Gran, Gran Solar Energy lease and easement

2631
03:06:36,200 --> 03:06:40,460
agreement between Webb County and the benefit of the Webb County school lands, Cochillas

2632
03:06:40,460 --> 03:06:41,480
and Las Lomas pastures.

2633
03:06:41,700 --> 03:06:46,140
I'm going to go ahead and I move, I so move to approve the second amendment on the

2634
03:06:46,140 --> 03:06:50,880
So on the grand solar lease easement agreement on the first amendment of the tax abatement

2635
03:06:50,880 --> 03:06:57,700
agreement between Webb County and Grand Solar, Texas to LC as presented, I should say solar

2636
03:06:57,700 --> 03:06:58,080
lease.

2637
03:06:58,480 --> 03:06:58,920
I'm sorry.

2638
03:06:59,400 --> 03:07:03,700
I move to approve the second amendment to the solar lease and easement agreement and

2639
03:07:03,700 --> 03:07:07,360
the first amendment of the tax abatement agreement between Webb County and Grand

2640
03:07:07,360 --> 03:07:08,100
Solar, Texas.

2641
03:07:08,260 --> 03:07:08,700
That's my move.

2642
03:07:09,780 --> 03:07:10,300
Second.

2643
03:07:10,300 --> 03:07:16,480
second motion seconds any oppose and commission is obscene motion carries

2644
03:07:16,480 --> 03:07:23,560
thank you all very well communications I do have one yes Friday afternoon there

2645
03:07:23,560 --> 03:07:32,600
was a trailer rollover at the 21 mile mark oh yeah I was and I have never seen

2646
03:07:32,600 --> 03:07:38,160
such a terrible traffic jam and really I don't want to say incompetence but

2647
03:07:38,160 --> 03:07:43,560
But there was no traffic control, oh, that's when I say no, there was traffic control.

2648
03:07:44,080 --> 03:07:53,460
But it, from my house to the checkpoint was two hours and 58 minutes.

2649
03:07:53,840 --> 03:07:59,140
And the person that was behind me, I think it was almost five hours to get to the checkpoint.

2650
03:08:00,360 --> 03:08:06,880
They had one DPS officer at the tourist bureau exit and one on the other side.

2651
03:08:06,880 --> 03:08:13,240
had, cars were going, taking both lanes of the frontage road, you know, ongoing traffic,

2652
03:08:13,780 --> 03:08:17,040
people were cutting everywhere, going across the grass, driving down shoulders.

2653
03:08:17,540 --> 03:08:22,840
If they weren't doing anything, two other DPS showed up two hours later, and I had already

2654
03:08:22,840 --> 03:08:26,860
text dollars to get us, the sheriff said, please send deputies, this thing is out

2655
03:08:26,860 --> 03:08:33,140
of control, and they never got there. And like I said, the two other deputies got

2656
03:08:33,140 --> 03:08:38,920
there and we're standing outside just I mean the DPS typically and we're just

2657
03:08:38,920 --> 03:08:46,800
talking nobody really you know getting in their directing traffic and it was it

2658
03:08:46,800 --> 03:08:50,000
was just really terrible and then you know they routed us around all the way

2659
03:08:50,000 --> 03:08:55,260
to 255 you know get made us get off on 83 go north and go back to 255 and then

2660
03:08:55,260 --> 03:09:00,340
no no traffic control at 255 I don't know what they were all doing but there

2661
03:09:00,340 --> 03:09:04,720
was nobody on site. It was just the accident between 83 and 21 mile marker.

2662
03:09:05,340 --> 03:09:07,460
They see Wheeler by himself. I don't know what happened,

2663
03:09:07,520 --> 03:09:12,100
but he fell over across both lanes. And so they had to close the highway.

2664
03:09:13,380 --> 03:09:17,920
And like I say, whoever was in charge of the situation didn't do a very good job.

2665
03:09:18,280 --> 03:09:21,060
And I don't know anybody at DPS anymore.

2666
03:09:21,740 --> 03:09:24,900
Was County involved at all? Like they never showed up.

2667
03:09:25,580 --> 03:09:29,040
DPS is the one that takes control of the highways, right? Yeah.

2668
03:09:29,040 --> 03:09:33,300
But I mean, I thought just deputies could have helped with traffic control is

2669
03:09:34,260 --> 03:09:36,160
Everybody half the time they were sitting in the car

2670
03:09:37,000 --> 03:09:37,520
you know

2671
03:09:38,340 --> 03:09:41,560
They weren't I could see it was it was literally I

2672
03:09:42,380 --> 03:09:47,900
Think the accident happened at two o'clock, and it did not clear up to almost midnight. I think 11 30s

2673
03:09:48,700 --> 03:09:50,920
That's how that's how that's how crazy I was

2674
03:09:51,740 --> 03:09:52,540
So okay

2675
03:09:54,980 --> 03:09:55,620
Seconds any opposed

2676
03:09:59,540 --> 03:10:00,780
I can keep talking if you want.