1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 All 2 00:00:02,399 --> 00:00:08,559 right. Good evening and welcome everybody to the village of Weberville 3 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:14,559 uh council meeting. Today is January 13, 2026. Uh we'll do a call to order and 4 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:15,920 started with a roll call, please. >> Yes. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,680 » Sean Gordon >> here. Stanfield 6 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:19,520 » here. >> Walter 7 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:25,000 » here. >> Here. Hey everybody, please stand for 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,000 the pledge. 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:37,920 of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:41,520 under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 11 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:46,480 [clears throat] >> Thank you. So for the approval of the 12 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:49,920 agenda this morning >> this evening 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:57,039 » I'd like to make motion to add the um the back truck to the new business. 14 00:00:54,239 --> 00:01:02,399 of our last meeting. We were discussing that and I thought it was going to be on 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:08,080 here and it is not. >> Um, is there something specific that you 16 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:11,119 need to discuss there? >> The motion is open if somebody wants to 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,000 second it. >> I second a discussion. 18 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:21,920 » Second it'll do a roll call. 19 00:01:21,220 --> 00:01:24,960 [laughter] >> Yes. Shber, 20 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,720 » yes. >> Sum, 21 00:01:25,759 --> 00:01:28,880 » yes. >> Walter, 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:34,320 » yes. >> No. 23 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:41,600 Uh, I would also recommend that we add item number five, uh, which is 24 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:46,880 recognizing a vacant WDDA chair. Um, the resignation of Diana Baxter with the 25 00:01:44,801 --> 00:01:50,759 [laughter] appointment of Andrew Nephew to that open position. 26 00:01:52,880 --> 00:02:00,640 So four would be the back truck, right? >> Correct. 27 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:05,640 » And five is the empty seat. 28 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,640 » Yes. 29 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:11,056 » So move. [clears throat] 30 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,280 » I second. >> Second. Roll call. 31 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,239 » Yes. >> Shber. Yes. 32 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:24,239 » Yes. >> Walker. 33 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:30,160 » Yes. >> Yes. Okay. So, those added, I would 34 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:33,280 recommend that we approve the agenda as amended. 35 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,760 » I'll make a motion to approve the uh agenda. 36 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,400 » Second. >> Second. Uh all in favor say I. 37 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,360 » I. >> I. All opposed. 38 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:52,720 Okay. First up, uh this evening, we have a public hearing. Uh this is the master 39 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:58,400 plan approval. Um we've been spending say probably the past six months working 40 00:02:54,640 --> 00:03:03,519 with McKenna on updating this. So uh we'll move into that. I recommend that 41 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:11,239 we open the public hearing for the master plan approval at 6:03 p.m. 42 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,239 » So moved. 43 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:17,200 » Second. >> Second. All in favor say I. 44 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:22,959 » I. All opposed. Okay. So, we'll now move into public comment for the master plan 45 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:29,480 approval. Um, so if anybody from the public has any comments at this time, 46 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,480 uh, now is time to do so. 47 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:38,000 Okay, I'm seeing none. So, we will close public comments at 604. I recommend that 48 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:41,519 we close the public hearing for the master plan approval. 49 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:46,879 » So, move second. >> Seconded. All in favor say I. 50 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:51,760 » I. All opposed. Okay, that brings us to regular public 51 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:57,767 comment. So, at this time, if anybody from the public has any comments, now is 52 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:59,787 the time to do so. [clears throat] 53 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:11,000 » Yes, sir. >> Um, I just got a question. Why was this 54 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,000 meeting cancelled on the website? 55 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:23,040 said that the meeting was cancelled. The next meeting would be January 26 56 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:31,000 for lack of members. >> That was the BDA. That was last night. 57 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 » Okay. 58 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:41,120 Any other public comment this evening? Okay. 59 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:46,639 We'll close public comment at 6:05. Uh at this time I have no comments. Uh for 60 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:51,280 the consent agenda, the minutes of the council meeting from December 9th, the 61 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:55,759 accounts payable, the investment report, revenue and expenditure report and 62 00:04:52,960 --> 00:05:00,639 balance sheet. Has anybody Everybody had time to review that. 63 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:05,040 Any questions? Not I recommend that we approve the 64 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:09,840 consent agenda as presented. >> Some second. 65 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,000 » Seconded. Any discussion? Roll call. 66 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,919 » M. >> Yes. 67 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,720 » Yes. >> Stanfield. 68 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:20,960 » Yes. >> Yes. 69 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:25,240 » Okay. On to our monthly reports. First up is the police report. 70 00:05:26,479 --> 00:05:29,479 » Overall, 71 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:40,720 on the 19th, Deputy Vincent was contacted by the prosecutor's office. uh 72 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:46,479 was investigated a possible bond or bill violation of foreign inmate currently at 73 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:50,000 the Enum County Jail. This inmate was incarcerated for the previous incident 74 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:54,160 that occurred in the village and led to a felony domestic assault and false 75 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:59,599 imprisonment charge. The original incident occurred on the 300 block of 76 00:05:57,039 --> 00:06:02,080 Walnut Street October of 25. [clears throat] 77 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,600 Uh, Deputy Vincent reviewed jail communications and confirmed multiple 78 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:10,000 bond violations and is seeking additional felony charges for witness 79 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:16,400 intimidation. This submitted [clears throat] his 80 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:21,680 prosecutor's office. On December 23rd, I responded to the 100 81 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:26,080 block of Maple Street for a fraud complaint. The victim arranged a sale on 82 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:30,160 Facebook Marketplace and was defrauded by the suspect to use bills to purchase 83 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:34,880 the items. The victim was able to provide a 84 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:40,880 description of the suspect and his vehicle, but was otherwise unknown. I 85 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:45,520 turned the conflict bills over to uh the Secret Service field office in 86 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:49,560 Grand Rapids and ultimately was closed due to lack of investigations. 87 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:57,400 That's it for local calls and then attached are the stands for review. 88 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,720 Thank you very much. Any questions from the council for our deputy? 89 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:10,880 » Is there something that um you could possibly give Jessica or even Josh that 90 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:16,319 we could put out on Facebook for people to what to look for in counterfeit bills 91 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,840 so when they're selling on Facebook they know. 92 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:23,280 » Sure. >> Thank you. 93 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:30,400 » Any other questions? Seeing none. Uh so uh for the DPW report 94 00:07:27,039 --> 00:07:35,120 tonight, uh Ryan is off. Um that's been provided in the packet and the clerk 95 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:39,360 treasure report. >> Um 96 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,560 he's in the audience. Why can't he give his report? 97 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:47,800 » Uh he is not on the clock right now. So we're moving on to the clerk treasur 98 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,800 report. 99 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,960 Jessica >> the monthly news well the monthly 100 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,400 newsletters have gone from print to digital format to reduce cost and 101 00:07:54,639 --> 00:08:00,000 improve the accessibility for residents. You will be able to find the newsletters 102 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:03,360 on the village website. We are fast approaching the end of our fiscal year 103 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:08,319 which means we will start working on the 26.7 fiscal year budget soon. I'll be 104 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:12,479 attending the municipal Michigan municipal treasures association winner 105 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:16,919 workshop at the end of this week and I was asked to leave a discussion topic. 106 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:26,680 » Any ideas on what topic is? >> Oh, yes. 107 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,680 » Oh, 108 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:34,240 » well, good luck. Thank you. Uh, any questions for Jessica? 109 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:41,360 » That's right up your alley. Okay, brings us to WDDA report. Um, that 110 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:46,959 was scheduled for last night, but due to lack of attendance, um, forum was not 111 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,959 met, so meeting was canceled. I don't know, Josh, do you have anything 112 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,080 to add? >> Just that the fourth building's coming 113 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:56,480 along that, uh, just talked to Bruce today about Summon Street in the parking 114 00:08:53,839 --> 00:09:01,880 lot. Trying to hopefully get that outfit so we can get that started first thing 115 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,880 in the spring. 116 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:14,160 Any questions for the WBDA report? Seeing none. So, the building and zoning 117 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:21,600 report um that's [snorts] been provided per usual. I believe Chris Corey will be 118 00:09:17,839 --> 00:09:29,200 here very soon. Um I think he had the traffic slowdown on 96. Um 119 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:34,160 we move on to the Musa report. Um so we just [clears throat] had our 120 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:42,399 meeting last Thursday and um kind of a summary for the year. Um the big thing 121 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:48,720 was that there was about 17,043 runs for 2025 122 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:54,240 which equates to about 47 calls per day. Wow. So um fairly busy. Um that is 123 00:09:52,640 --> 00:10:01,519 definitely an increase from the year before which was 17,026. 124 00:09:57,839 --> 00:10:08,399 Um also um if anybody had been looking there was a um rain bin rescue on 125 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:17,839 January 8th which um Lisa participated in and um the piece of equipment that um 126 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:22,720 we had um received came in very handy. So, um that was a very successful rescue 127 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:29,680 and the farmer that was trapped in the soybeans is um he was rescued and um 128 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:37,279 doing okay. Um also the um full-time employees uh for 129 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:44,079 the safer grant um have been reporting to their shifts um as of Wednesday, 130 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:48,399 January 7th. And so, um, if anybody goes by the station at night now, they'll 131 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:55,200 actually see cars there. So, they are covering the station. Um, and then the 132 00:10:51,440 --> 00:11:02,480 county fire academy started on January 6 and they have um 13 students currently. 133 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:07,279 And that is it for Nissa. >> Thank you, Sandra. Any questions about 134 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:12,560 the Nissa report? Okay, brings us to attorney's report. 135 00:11:10,959 --> 00:11:16,240 The only thing that is hanging out there at the moment is White Rose, which is 136 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,839 still pending in the Mission Court of Appeals. No answer on that from the 137 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:23,360 courts. That nothing further report at the 138 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:27,600 moment. >> Any questions for Mr. Gold? Did you ever 139 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:34,959 talk to Bob Beldori? >> I did. In fact, um, Mr. Baldori and I 140 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:38,160 along with Jay Rittman met I'd have to check my notes, but it must have been 141 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:43,839 the latter part of December after our December meeting. um discussed again 142 00:11:41,839 --> 00:11:50,640 with Jay Ritman what his need to bring his property into compliance. Um it was 143 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:55,680 a good meeting. It wasn't contentious. Just laid it out there what the village 144 00:11:52,640 --> 00:12:00,160 expects of them. Uh followed up with Mr. Beldori. I did with another written 145 00:11:58,079 --> 00:12:06,560 directive asking um that's written comply with the terms 146 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:10,320 spelled out. Get the buildings in compliance. have not heard anything 147 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:14,240 back yet, but Jay promised that he's going to follow through on it and Mr. 148 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:18,320 Bald already promised me the same. So, um, given that it was right on the heels 149 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:22,639 of the holidays, I figure I'd bug him in the middle of this month and say, "Hey, 150 00:12:19,839 --> 00:12:27,519 where are we at?" So, >> okay. Thank you. 151 00:12:24,959 --> 00:12:31,440 Any other questions? If not, we'll move to engineering 152 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:38,240 reports. [clears throat] >> Uh, thank you. With respect to the Main 153 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:44,160 Street project, um I've received the the required bonds and insurance from 154 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:49,519 Rereath Riley. Those were in order and uh so we've executed the contract 155 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:54,560 between him and the village and we'll just wait to uh you know understand what 156 00:12:52,639 --> 00:13:01,839 his schedule is to get started on that this spring. And then uh as Josh 157 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:06,959 mentioned uh we're looking right now at a plan for Summit Street between Grand 158 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:11,120 River and the alley to get that fixed up. [clears throat] 159 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:15,440 And I had a meeting with Mr. Nephew actually earlier this evening on that 160 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:21,519 and we've got a good plan on attack and so we'll be pushing hard on that to get 161 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:27,680 that out to bid so um you know we can get the Ford building open for open for 162 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:33,200 business as soon as possible. Awesome. Um, kind of dubtales with the Main 163 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:39,279 Street project, which is um, the parking lot behind the pharmacy. Scott, I failed 164 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:48,079 to to ask where are we at with the license agreement or easement for that? 165 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:51,839 So, um, for the, uh, parking lots, um, I'm of the position that an easement is 166 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,800 truly the best option for the village if, 167 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:58,959 especially if the village is going to invest any money in that property. 168 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:04,320 However, um, the property owner buying through his attorney wants to have only 169 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:09,760 a license in place. And the difference is really an easement generally in 170 00:14:08,079 --> 00:14:14,079 general terms run with the land. So no matter who owns that pharmacy, that 171 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:20,399 easement would be there. It would be forever preserved to the village use. A 172 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:24,160 license um allows for the village and its citizens to use the parking lot just 173 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:28,639 like a easement. The difference is generally speaking again is that a 174 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:33,839 license can be revoked by the private property owner. So in this case, a 175 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:40,480 license from the pharmacy owner to the village would be in place and remain in 176 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:43,440 place until or whenever the property owner of the pharmacy said, "I'm not 177 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:48,240 doing this anymore." And he could unilaterally revoke that. Part of the 178 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,920 negotiations that we've been having is that if in fact the village were to 179 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:57,519 invest any property in that or any money in that property to improve the parking 180 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:04,399 lot, resurface it, maintain it, um we would want some kind of almost like a 181 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:10,399 mathematical scale whereby we could because let's say we put I'm just using 182 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,760 generic numbers, but say you put $50,000 into the parking lot, new surface and 183 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,199 everything. um if we didn't have some kind of 184 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,120 agreement in place the next year he could unilaterally say oh we're done 185 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:24,800 with the license we're out $50,000 and we don't get to use the parking lot. 186 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:28,560 That's what concerns me. So we did come up with a mathematical scheme whereby we 187 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:35,519 would essentially take a depreciation table. So he could if he unilaterally 188 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:42,079 tried to revoke the license um saying year 1 or year two or year five whatever 189 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:45,040 that scale is finalized to be whatever that depreciation of value went down 190 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:50,079 every year he would have to pay the village back. So in theory, $50,000, say 191 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:54,000 he couldn't do anything for five years, but he did on the first year, he would 192 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:58,399 essentially, and that's simple math, I think if you were to say $10,000 a year 193 00:15:55,839 --> 00:16:03,199 in depreciation, he would then on year one, if he revoked the license, owe the 194 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:07,519 village $40,000 because we would get one year of use with all the effort that we 195 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:11,360 put into it. But he would be saying, "No more deal." Then he would have to pay 196 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:14,959 the village $40,000. And it sounds like all the parties are 197 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:19,279 in agreement that that is a system that can work for both parties. The slight 198 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:25,600 hangup that we're getting at the moment is I want to be able to record that 199 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:29,360 license, that agreement with the Ingam County register of dees. And why I 200 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:34,240 believe that is so important is because effectively whenever you record a 201 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:39,120 document that has interest in land, we would have an interest in that parking 202 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:43,600 lot um not only by use but by actual money invested into it. I want the world 203 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:50,240 to know that the village has in fact put money in that ground and the attorney 204 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:53,839 for uh the far the pharmacist who I'm certain that the pharmacist is a nice 205 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:57,839 guy. He's doing his due diligence. This is probably coming down to difference of 206 00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:02,880 opinion on real property law between me and this other attorney. 207 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:07,520 um he doesn't want us to record that agreement with Ingram County register 208 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:12,720 deeds in fear that it would cloud the title or cause a problem for his client 209 00:17:09,919 --> 00:17:17,439 down the road. And my response to him on that matter 210 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:21,199 was, well, if we're using taxpayers money to improve private property, 211 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:24,559 that's what we would be doing to some extent. We're improving someone's 212 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:30,400 property. The benefit that we get as a village, we get to use it. But I believe 213 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:35,840 that having that on record is more secure for the village. And not to be 214 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:40,559 too morbid, but in the event that the pharmacist 215 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:45,919 dies in a bizarre event, something happens and or he goes bankrupt and he 216 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:50,400 has creditors. What I'm getting at is if there if someone takes control of that 217 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,360 property because he's no longer here to explain or to understand how this 218 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,280 happens, we're going to be dealing with people that are going to be like, I 219 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:01,120 never cut a deal with the village of Weberville for this parking lot. I'm not 220 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:05,200 going to abide by it. Thus causing us legal problems. And that's all the 221 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,799 that's the only reason I want to record it is just so that the world knows like, 222 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,799 hey, the village has an interest in this property over there to some extent. And 223 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:17,280 I even promised the attorney on the other side that if the day comes where 224 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:21,200 the pharmacist wants to revoke the license for whatever reason, that's 225 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:27,280 fine. We will put together another document effectively record that 226 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:31,039 subsequent and whereby lifting our any restriction that we would have on that 227 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:36,000 property. He's not inclined to do that either. 228 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:40,320 The long the short of the long story is I'm not certain that for me to go fight 229 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:45,919 this legal fight to get down to the brass tax is what is truly right and 230 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:50,320 wrong here. It's worth it in real world application. 231 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:54,720 I am inclined to do a memo for the village to essentially say look you can 232 00:18:52,720 --> 00:19:01,120 enter into this license. It does not have to be recorded, but the village got 233 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:05,679 to be diligent to pay attention to this agreement because it will not be 234 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:10,400 recorded in the register of deeds. And so, um, it's kind of like a risk 235 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:16,400 assessment. I think everyone will be fine, but part of my job is to be 236 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:20,559 paranoid, right? So, I'm a huge proponent of just recording it, but that 237 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:25,760 seems to be a sticking point between me and the other side at this point. Um, 238 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:29,840 but I could put it down into a memo formally to help the council make a 239 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,360 decision on how you want to proceed because it's going to be a little bit of 240 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:38,480 a risk assessment, I think, as to what the council's inclined to do. 241 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:42,080 » Sir, are you at a point where it's effectively a stalemate and you need 242 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:48,080 some sort of direction from the council as how to proceed [snorts] 243 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:54,160 » at this point? Uh, yes. Um, I'm inclined to 244 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:59,039 advise to go forward with the license without the recording with the caveat 245 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:03,840 that hey, this is there is risk to going this direction. Um, if the council is 246 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:08,799 more inclined to say no, we want it recorded and I can give you legal 247 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:12,720 reasons formally, I'd be willing to do that for you, too. I'm not trying to 248 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:18,080 create work, but it's >> Has he responded to that that draft you 249 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:21,440 sent back to him? um that it would be appropriate. So, if we were to put in 250 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:25,600 front of council at the next meeting that it's reasonable if it was approved, 251 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:32,640 you you would accept it. He has not responded to it. Um 252 00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:35,760 I'd have to I apologize. I have to double check to 253 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:40,960 see where I'm at on it, but he has not responded. We There has not been any 254 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:44,880 more movement on it. Um it's prepped, ready to go. 255 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:49,039 I guess it's just the prerogative of the council as to whether or not you wanted 256 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,159 to have it recorded. Otherwise, we're going to have to be good stewards of 257 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:55,600 that contract and pay attention to it for the duration of it because it will 258 00:20:53,840 --> 00:21:01,760 not be preserved in the in county registered. 259 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:05,039 So, so let's put that on the agenda for next meeting. 260 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:10,559 » Um try to get some clarity on that between now [clears throat] and then. 261 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:14,080 » Okay. So, sorry Bruce, I didn't mean to go backwards. They're kind of tied 262 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,159 together. So I guess for the sake of Riley with the that part of that portion 263 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,120 of the parking lot still a little ambiguous as to whether or not the bill 264 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,280 could be going forward with it. >> Yep. We can pull it if you want if you 265 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:28,880 need to. >> Yeah. I mean could always be wrapped 266 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:32,559 into the Summit Street part if we don't >> potentially. [laughter] 267 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,000 » Okay. So >> anything else from 268 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,640 » question for Bruce? >> Yeah. 269 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:42,559 » You said that you were only going from Grand River to the alley. You're not 270 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:48,280 going to pave repave that road to the next intersection to the stop sign. 271 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,280 » No, it's not the blame. 272 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,840 » That's not tiff district, is it? From the alley to the intersection. 273 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:59,679 » It is. >> Okay. Yeah. We can certainly look at it 274 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:04,640 and just see what the cost would be. See if that it can be handled. I mean, it 275 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,760 would be past them at an intersection. And then right on the other side of that 276 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:11,679 alley, there's a big hole in the in the road right there where it's been cut out 277 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:15,919 for repairs for water main repair and what have you. I mean, it's it's just a 278 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:22,000 patch. I mean, I don't know why we can't go another somehow go another 100 ft, 279 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:25,919 » right? >> Yeah. I think they I think they pulled a 280 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,840 piece of the road out to put a storm drain across the street. 281 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:34,080 » Oh, yeah. But I think Ryan, well, Ryan's on the clock, but I think right there at 282 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,760 the corner by that next house behind the alley, their driveway, there was a curb 283 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:42,320 stop that had to be repaired there that needed for quite a while. So, there's a 284 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:46,159 big indentation there for that cut out. >> Yeah. 285 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,520 » Well, we could do I'll take a look at it. We can maybe possibly just do a mill 286 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,799 and fill on the rest of this. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't think it 287 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:55,760 needs to be tore up. I mean, I just think while you're there, why would you 288 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:00,080 leave >> that section of road not done? 289 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:03,280 It's something to look at. >> Yeah. 290 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:09,280 » Yeah. >> Okay. Any other questions for Bruce? 291 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:13,600 See none. Any advocate reports before new business? 292 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:19,200 » All right. Uh first up, Chris, your timing is impactful. 293 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:24,000 » Um first item of business is adoption of the master plan. Um so again, we've been 294 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:28,240 discussing this for a number of months now. Um different drafts of different 295 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,120 sections have been proposed. So I believe tonight is the final adoption. 296 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:38,480 Correct. >> That is accurate. Um you have the final 297 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:43,840 version of you. Um there is as you know this document is actually two documents 298 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:50,480 as far as the state of Michigan is uh concerned. Um it's both your master plan 299 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:54,559 which is the basis for your zoning and it is your parks and recreation plan 300 00:23:52,559 --> 00:24:01,520 which opens the door for grant funding from uh MDN. Um the as it as it 301 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:07,520 functions as the parks plan, it has to be submitted to MDNR by February 1st. Um 302 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:12,400 so after the adoption tonight, uh we will be rounding up um the accompanying 303 00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:15,760 paperwork and getting that uh into their system. Um, and of course, as your 304 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:20,720 master plan, it is going to help you make decisions on things like 305 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:30,480 reszonings. Um, and special uses and that kind of thing as they come in. Um, 306 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:38,559 as it pertains to that piece of it, we may be reopening this document 307 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:42,400 fairly soon if I move forward 425. Um, 308 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,840 and it wouldn't be a wholesale change, but it would be updated to reflect 309 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:48,320 whatever happens there one way or another. 310 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:54,159 » Would it also need to be updated for what's on agenda item number 311 00:24:51,440 --> 00:25:00,799 two, which is the zoning definitions or or is that kind of separate? 312 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:06,000 » No. Uh that's separate or not separate so much as it is a that is a zoning 313 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:09,760 ordinance thing that does not need a sort of backing from the master because 314 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:17,960 it doesn't change anything to do with the map um or you know not immediately. 315 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,960 So like it's um 316 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:24,960 anything from that potentially we could get pick up in anything post 425 if any 317 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,440 of that happens but for the moment it's fine. 318 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,440 » Okay. 319 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,960 So, any questions for Chris about the master plan? 320 00:25:36,647 --> 00:25:40,000 [laughter] >> And that has to be turned in by 321 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,720 February. >> February 1st. Yes. 322 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:52,080 » Okay. There's no questions or discussion. I would recommend that we 323 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:56,799 adopt the master plan uh as presented. 324 00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:00,400 » So, move second. Roll call. 325 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,760 » Yes. >> Yes. S 326 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:08,088 » no. >> Yes. 327 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,919 » All right. [snorts] Brings us to number [clears throat] two. So I'll kick off 328 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:18,880 the topic here. Um during our last meeting there was a lot of discussion um 329 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:22,240 with the potential of uh 425 and the topic of data centers came up. It's a 330 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:27,039 very hot topic in a number of communities right now. Um, and what I 331 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:31,200 heard from this board is that action would want to be taken in regards to 332 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:35,200 handling the zoning of those, but it was decided it would be best handled in a 333 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:41,200 separate meeting, which brings us to to today. Um, I've asked Chris to prepare 334 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,960 um this draft. Um I believe the state and maybe the county has given some 335 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:50,480 guidelines on on these types of things. But so there's clarity for everybody 336 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:55,039 here. Uh regardless of anybody's 337 00:26:53,039 --> 00:27:00,559 feelings towards data centers in order for the village to manage where they go 338 00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:06,320 or don't go, we have to adopt a definition of what a data center is. If 339 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:11,120 we do not by default these things are categoriz categorized as warehousing 340 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:18,159 which means anywhere that our warehousing is permitted somebody could 341 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:22,640 then uh put a data center there. Um so that is the the gist of this. Chris 342 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:25,600 would would you like to add to that or what you presented today? 343 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:31,039 » Yeah absolutely. Obviously, this has become a hot topic very quickly 344 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:36,400 um and is uh to get to Sam's, you know, big point 345 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,000 there. It's a little bit of a difficult topic because actually the issue is 346 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:46,080 scale. Um any office that has a server in it 347 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:51,760 connecting multiple computers is a data center, just a tiny one. And then you 348 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:55,600 have over the past 40 years since there's been some some semblance of the 349 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:00,799 internet existing, these these things have existed. 350 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:08,480 In the past couple of years, they have exploded in size and scale. Um, and 351 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:13,600 that's what causes the land use planning zoning concern. Um, up to a certain 352 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:17,520 level, they really are much of a concern computer. 353 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:22,080 Beyond that level, you're talking huge energy and water needs as well as other 354 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:26,640 potential off-site impacts. From the villages perspective, you don't have a 355 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:31,200 whole lot of control over energy. Um, and we could add language in here to 356 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:34,159 require submission of information on where they're going to get energy from. 357 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,960 Some communities have even required on-site energy generation like rooftop 358 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:42,880 solar panels and that kind of thing. And we could take this fairly short 359 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:47,120 amendment and expand it in lots and lots of pages. 360 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:50,799 But our initial thought here from your perspective as the village of Weberville 361 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:55,760 is that the big issue you're going to run into if one of these wants to come 362 00:28:52,320 --> 00:29:02,960 here is water because you control the water system. And if it if this facility 363 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:10,000 comes in and it needs a huge capacity of water that your system cannot 364 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:13,919 support, then we have a problem. Flip side to that, if one of these 365 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:18,960 facilities came in and became a huge water user and water payer, but you 366 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,399 could support that capacity, suddenly your water system is well 367 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:26,000 funded because someone buy a lot of water from you. That's only going to be 368 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:31,279 that's only a positive thing. However, if your residents still have water 369 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:37,120 coming out of their taps. [snorts] Thus, the key aspect of this potential 370 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,559 amendment is section three, which is to say 371 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:44,720 it says very clearly, one of these will not be approved in the village unless 372 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:50,559 the DPW certifies that there is sufficient capacity or the applicant 373 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:55,600 pays for the upgrades to get you sufficient capacity. 374 00:29:52,799 --> 00:30:01,039 If neither of those is met, this ordinance says you vote to deny. In 375 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,520 fact, this ordinance says they can't believe we're coming to in the first 376 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,120 place if they don't have one of those two set to go before they come to 377 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:12,559 council. It It's our goal here to protect you 378 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:17,919 guys from that particular aspect which directly impacts your biggest piece of 379 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:23,440 infrastructure in the village. um if you'd like to we can get into 380 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:28,880 other issues such as noise. However, or or energy or any of that. 381 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:34,000 However, unlike some of the rural communities that have tackled this 382 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:40,240 issue, you have an industrial park. The industrial park has or is located such 383 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:44,640 that it has a number of uses that have noise, noises, smells, truck traffic. 384 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:48,000 And while we have some issues with it, there aren't very many residents, if 385 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:51,600 any, that are directly impacted because the industrial park is isolated from 386 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:56,240 residential areas intentionally. And this body in the past has said, "Yeah, 387 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,360 we can have marijuana grow facilities, for instance, because we have this 388 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:04,320 industrial park that is isolated from residents." You could take that TAC with 389 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:08,000 a data center and say, "This is isolated from residents, so we don't really care 390 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:11,120 if it's making noise. We know it won't actually have very much truck traffic. 391 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,000 It won't none. We know it won't have a lot of car traffic. They don't have very 392 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,919 employees, but we know it's going to take a lot of 393 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,880 water and it's going to take a lot of power. And while we don't provide the 394 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,399 water or the power, we provide the water. And so, we really need to know 395 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,960 what's going on there and be locked and loaded well in advance of anyone 396 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:30,559 starting to pump water into this thing. Anyway, that's the amendment in front of 397 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:33,440 you. The uh the action tonight will be to set a public hearing, but I'm also 398 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:37,840 interested in your thoughts on the policy item. Is this the direction you 399 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:42,080 want to go? understanding that simply saying no is not an option. As with all 400 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:47,200 legal uses of land, you have to have some possibility uh of allowing them, 401 00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:52,559 but you don't have to make it easy and you have you can make rules to 402 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:55,679 government. Well, and I think another sorry to jump in here, Chris, but 403 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:01,120 another key part of this of of what Chris has presented is that this would 404 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:05,600 be like like you said excluded to M1 Industrial, but it would only be 405 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:10,960 permittable permissible by special use permit, which means that applicant would 406 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:16,399 have to come to this council seeking permission by vote to be approved. Now, 407 00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:20,720 there are caveats, which is to deny a special use permit, there has to be just 408 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:24,399 cause, but I think we're trying to put as many layers of protection in here as 409 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:30,080 possible. Um, so again, like Chris said, this 410 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:36,240 meeting is to set a public hearing to adopt a definition. And I I'm open at 411 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:40,960 this point to having a discussion about how this board feels this should be 412 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:45,640 shaped um if it should be structured differently than what Chris has 413 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,640 presented here. 414 00:32:47,642 --> 00:32:52,640 [clears throat] >> The way I understand it. I think he's 415 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,960 got us covered pretty well. I mean with what he's put in front of us right now 416 00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:01,760 and I don't have a problem moving forward to a public comment on it, 417 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:08,640 public hearing. Yeah. And I would say I know this is kind of 418 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:12,399 coming, you know, fresh tonight. We've had a couple days advance to absorb 419 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:18,399 this, but between now and whenever the public hearing is set set if questions 420 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:22,240 arise, um I would say let's try to collect those and consolidate them. 421 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:28,960 We'll reach out to Chris and try to address those. And if there's anything 422 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:33,440 that needs to be um I guess changed at the next meeting after the public 423 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:38,000 hearing that then we can adjust that as needed. So unless anybody has any 424 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:44,480 specific comments, questions or concerns, food for thought. Um 425 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:52,720 are we ready to set a public hearing for this? Okay. So I recommend that we set a 426 00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:56,640 public hearing for zoning definitions for February 10th, 2026. 427 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,399 » So >> second 428 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:03,279 roll call. >> Yes. 429 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:07,480 » Yes. Stanfield. >> Yes. 430 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,480 » Yes. 431 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,280 » The February 10th. 432 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:23,599 Yeah. Okay. Um, no further discussion on that. 433 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:28,159 We'll move on to item number three, which is resolution 2026-01, 434 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:33,040 which is [clears throat] going to be our midyear 435 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:39,200 budget amendment for the 2025 2026 fiscal year. Um, so this is not 436 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:43,839 particularly required. Um this is something that we've elected to do um 437 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:48,560 just to keep on track with any budget amendments kind of mid year as we need 438 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:53,040 to adjust the budget. Um so that's been prepared in front of you this evening. 439 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,760 Jessica, do you have anything to add? I know you spent a lot of time with 440 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:01,960 Caitlyn on this. >> A lot of the notes are on the side. 441 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,960 They're wondering what happened. 442 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:10,040 Um, but it's been a few months in the making 443 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040 to get this cleaned up. 444 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,760 » Are there any glaring red flags or concerns that you see in this? 445 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,079 » No. >> Okay. 446 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:29,599 Any questions or discuss discussion from the council on the budget amendment? 447 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:35,320 » No, I love the little notes on the side. >> I know. It's really awesome. makes it 448 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,320 very easy to track. 449 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:48,079 Okay. Um I would recommend that we approve 450 00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:52,400 resolution 2026-01 for the 2025 2026 midyear budget amendments. 451 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,400 » So move second. >> Roll call. 452 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:57,200 » Mer >> yes. 453 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,960 » Sher, >> yes. Walford, 454 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,160 » yes. >> Shy, 455 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,160 » yes. 456 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:14,800 Okay. Um, brings us to item number four, which was added to the agenda, uh, which 457 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:18,960 is discussion of the back truck. So, Deborah, if you would motion to have 458 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:25,200 this added, I'll let you bring up your concerns. Now, is this paperwork here 459 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:30,480 the uh contractor price for the back truck services versus 460 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:34,960 us getting our own truck? >> Uh, yes. The 461 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:37,520 » to the hourly rate it would cost us for our own truck. 462 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,440 » Well, >> because last meeting, if I remember 463 00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:49,680 correctly, we were supposed to think about purchasing our own truck 464 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:54,640 and versus having a company come in and 465 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:59,680 doing what they needed to do. >> Sure. So, I I would just I would just 466 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:03,440 caution you a little bit with the the self- rental numbers being that they're 467 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:09,440 budgetary numbers and that that's money that we charge ourselves. So, it's not 468 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:13,280 it's not a real cost if that makes sense. It's just determining how much 469 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,160 money needs to move from one fund to another. 470 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:21,839 Okay. um th those numbers are not including 471 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:29,200 the the labor cost to operate that piece of equipment nor the cost of purchasing. 472 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:36,400 Um so you you are correct that um the numbers up above are the cost for um 473 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:42,480 contractual hourly rates. Um those are from ML chart here. It's a local company 474 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:48,000 here in the business park. Um there would also be a reduced discharge rate 475 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:52,480 um provided that we're able to discharge any sewer cleanouts into our lagoons. 476 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:58,800 You know, theoretically that stuff would be destined to end up there anyway. Um 477 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:03,200 but this is just to give an idea uh to the council of what those hourly rates 478 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:09,680 would be. I would also add to this discussion that 479 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,920 um I've talked to Joe from Michigan Rural Water Association. um he's the 480 00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:20,240 gentleman assigned to our community uh who does all of our water rate studies 481 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:25,920 and um I I thought I remembered this and I did correctly which is part of the 482 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:31,440 water rate study accounts for our capital improvement plan which basically 483 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:36,400 means any planned future expenses um beyond just regular maintenance of the 484 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:40,560 system. So, as of right now, we are scheduled in the capital improvement 485 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,760 plan for a large infrastructure update in 2035, which is realistically only 486 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:51,119 nine years away. Um, [clears throat] at our current savings rate, with a a 487 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:56,640 projected annual increase in our water in our water rates and sewer rates, 488 00:38:53,839 --> 00:39:02,880 we're still going to fall $800,000 short of what's projected that we'll meet in 489 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:09,280 nine years. So the purchase of a truck at $5 to $600,000 would mean that in 490 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,640 nine years we would be 1.3 or $1.4 million short. 491 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:18,720 » Okay. But purchase of that truck is going to save Buku money from having to 492 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,040 rent. >> Well, we don't know. 493 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:27,440 » Well, we don't know by purchasing that truck that how much money we would be 494 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:33,520 saving on that. So what what we don't have accurate insight on right now is 495 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:39,760 utilization rate of a truck and how much we would actually use and to translate 496 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:44,000 that into a annual cost for contracting versus cost of ownership because there's 497 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,960 not just the cost of the truck, there's the cost of operating it, cost of 498 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:54,880 keeping fuel in it, tires, maintenance, all of those other things. I think Robin 499 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:59,119 Robin Brian had stated within five years that it would pay for itself if memory 500 00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:03,359 serves me correctly. >> I I could be wrong. 501 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:08,079 » So there's a lot of different routes that this could go. There's no denying 502 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:11,280 that there are services in this village and activities that require a back 503 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:16,160 truck. I mean, the only way you can clean out a sewer system realistically 504 00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:19,440 is with that type of equipment, right? Um, 505 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,560 » well, I know there's fire hydrant that needs to be replaced over by the 506 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:26,640 firehouse and 507 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:31,760 we can't do it unless we have >> not true and I'm not I'm not suggesting 508 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,240 we do this, but technically the way that that used to be done was with a shovel. 509 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:42,880 » You know, I can go buy a lot of $20 shovels versus a $600,000 truck or pay 510 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:47,920 somebody an hour to come in and do that. So, there's other options that have yet 511 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:54,160 to be explored here. There's purchasing a truck. There's a contractual service. 512 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:59,119 There's also the option for a used truck. I've looked a number of different 513 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:04,400 searches searches and found a couple of hundred uh used units throughout the 514 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,400 country that you know are much newer than what we have now. Uh there's also 515 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:13,599 the option that we need to explore and understand of upfitting our current 516 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:18,880 truck. So, as I understand it, our current chassis, the nonvactor part of 517 00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:23,359 it, um, you may have some transmission issues, but it's otherwise low mileage 518 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:29,040 and in good shape. So, what would be the cost of having somebody just put a new 519 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:35,280 factory unit on that? These are all things that this council needs to 520 00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:39,440 understand in full before making a decision of this magnitude because in 521 00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:43,119 talking with Michigan Rural Water Association, 522 00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:47,760 not only does this impact our future projects, which I didn't even mention, 523 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:55,040 in 2045, we have a capital improvement plan that under our current savings rate 524 00:41:50,319 --> 00:42:02,240 will be $2 million short of. So in the near term, that 2020, that 2035 525 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:05,599 target, if we were to either borrow the money out of the savings that 526 00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:09,440 we have and pay ourselves back or finance this vehicle, 527 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:14,480 the rough numbers that we're looking at is we would have to increase the ready 528 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:20,160 to serve rate on the sewer part for 3/4 inch service line by $10 a month. That 529 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:24,000 that's ultimately what the cost of the taxpayers would be to buy a truck. 530 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:36,079 So given that we this board went through this exercise 531 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:40,720 14 15 months ago when we raised water rates u and we all know how that went 532 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:45,440 over that that was a very large increase. This is would be a similar 533 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:50,160 increase on top of any other annual increases that we would need to do to 534 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:54,480 keep up with inflationary costs. So that's why that I I cannot underestimate 535 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:59,520 the magnitude of this type of decision. I'm not saying no, we cannot buy a truck 536 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:04,160 or no, we shouldn't, but we don't have a complete view or picture yet, which is 537 00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:08,079 why I did not put it on the agenda because I don't feel like we have enough 538 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,079 information to make a responsible decision. 539 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:20,640 » I agree. I think we need to weigh every option there is. I don't. Yeah, a new 540 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:25,520 truck, a new shiny truck would be great and it would work great. There's no 541 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:31,760 doubt about it. But to jump in both feet and just run out, buy a new truck is not 542 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:36,480 a sensible decision. We have to shop you. We have to shop the option. And 543 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,880 I've never seen this truck in person. I don't know what the frame looks like. I 544 00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:42,160 don't know anything about the truck though. But we've got to look at every 545 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,520 option there is >> and whether it's even 546 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:51,200 » better money spent for a year or two to pay somebody to do it because we don't 547 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,599 know if we can't broadcast how many times we're going to 548 00:43:53,280 --> 00:44:00,560 need that truck in a year. >> If we had it, would we use it more? 549 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:06,640 Probably. But did we have to use it? >> Probably not. Well, and and sorry if I 550 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:10,560 may real quick to that point, it's not like these trucks are going to be 551 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,119 stopped being built tomorrow. There is the option to go with a contractor 552 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,599 service for 12 months to understand what that cost is and how often we would need 553 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:24,319 that truck. And at that point, the council could make a decision of well, 554 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,160 maybe there is a cost benefit to purchasing versus renting. You know, so 555 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:32,400 this to your point, it's not something that we should just jump into. you know, 556 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,200 there is that option to to wait. It's not like by not buying one, we're going 557 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:38,880 to give it out. >> And see, I'm 558 00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:42,640 right there with both of you because I'm like the pros and cons person, you know, 559 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:47,599 and where you list it out, you sit down and you've got like, okay, so we have 560 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,400 one, we could do this, this, and this, and you list it down a piece of paper 561 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,720 and, you know, it's kind of like, I'm looking at this cost. Whereas, if you're 562 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,960 going with a new one, yeah, it's going to be nice and great, but you know, if 563 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,400 something breaks down after, you know, you might have it a year, but you're 564 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:08,319 still going to have repair costs either way. And then, you know, you have to 565 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:13,680 explain it because we're all taxpayers. If something's going up, first of all, 566 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:19,520 we spent this great big amount on this and oh, by the way, now we have to 567 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:25,040 raise, you know, your water bill because of this. 568 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:30,400 You just have to take that time, take a step back and really think about it 569 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:35,520 before you're doing that. You know, does it mean that 570 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:40,960 like you said, we just buy parts for what we have now? 571 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,839 Maybe we go elsewhere. It's just it's a lot of thought before you make a 572 00:45:42,516 --> 00:45:47,040 [clears throat] huge investment like that. 573 00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:51,599 Well, it's going to be a big investment to even upgrade our truck because the 574 00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:54,960 parts aren't available to fix what the problem is. 575 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:57,839 » And like Ryan had said before, we just put a new tank on it. I'd hate to throw 576 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,720 it away, but if you can't buy parts, you can't buy parts. So, 577 00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:04,800 » you got to weigh >> the option of fixing ours cuz we all 578 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,680 know it doesn't have miles. Is the transmission a serious problem or is it? 579 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:12,480 Who knows? >> Um versus buying a used one versus 580 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:17,280 paying somebody to do this for us for one year. and now we've got an idea of 581 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:22,160 what we spent on it and we can weigh that to the option of buying a new one 582 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:26,720 in a year or a used one. I mean, there's just too many options that haven't been 583 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,680 investigated yet in my mind to even talk about 584 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:34,560 » which route to go. >> And and to provide some clarity, um I 585 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:39,280 was only able to connect with Joe from Michigan World Water like a couple days 586 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:43,520 ago. So he and I have a meeting scheduled in a couple of weeks to sit 587 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:48,000 down and actually go through his spreadsheet and run some numbers to so 588 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,947 hopefully we can bring back you know some more concrete information for the 589 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:56,240 council in terms of you know [clears throat] estimated cost for 590 00:46:53,839 --> 00:47:00,880 different options. What is the financial impact to not only our savings and 591 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:05,060 capital improvement plan but also to the taxpayers and their water bills? 592 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:10,480 » When is our next water hike scheduled [snorts] for? We try to usually do that 593 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,720 around budget season, right? So Joe's probably going to start looking at those 594 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:18,640 numbers here in the next few weeks. Um with the idea of bringing that forward 595 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:21,200 to council probably in March, >> March or April. 596 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,480 » Yeah. >> So we could already be going to the 597 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,960 people and saying your water bill is going to go up $8, $10. We don't know 598 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,400 that, right? I'm just throwing a number out. And then to tell them that, oh, we 599 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:38,319 need this truck, which is going to make your water rate go up another 10 on top 600 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:42,240 of that, right? Not gonna go well. >> Can a sewer fund absorb some of that 601 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:46,880 cost? >> The sewer fund is well funded, but it's 602 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,160 earmarked for those capital improvement projects. 603 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,200 So, in the instance of borrowing from 604 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:58,680 ourselves and paying it back over 10 years, that's where that $10 a month 605 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,680 would come from. 606 00:47:58,758 --> 00:48:04,720 » [clears throat] >> So lot lot of 607 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:10,960 lot of different options not just in terms of equipment but also how we pay 608 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:16,560 for it be it financed pay for it wholly um I doubt you can probably lease 609 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:21,040 something like that um you know not for not you know I had a 610 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,400 really good productive meeting with ML Shark here they're very excited about 611 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:29,599 the prospect of working with us they certainly love the village Um, obviously 612 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:33,359 it would have to be inspected and approved by them, but there would be 613 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,800 interest um for them to purchase our old 614 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:41,760 equipment if we were to want to get rid of it either for parts or for repair. 615 00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:44,640 Um, like I said, obvious they they need to understand what it looks like, 616 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:50,079 condition, all that stuff to make any sort of offer. But that could help some 617 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:54,559 offset some of the costs uh in the future. And the nice thing, I think, why 618 00:48:52,720 --> 00:49:01,440 they're interested is ours is a Vector brand and 90% of their fleet is Vector 619 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:05,040 brand as well. So, well, the other option is, and I'm not 620 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:10,319 saying we're going with them, but if we were to go with them or another 621 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:13,040 contractor for a year, but ML Sharkier, we treat them right, they treat us 622 00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:18,400 right. Maybe they have a truck that comes up for sale because they're 623 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:22,720 upgrading their fleet. they sell us one, you know, one of their used trucks in a 624 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:26,640 year. >> I would be surprised by that. It's 625 00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:30,480 certainly possible and it's great thought. Um, but being that these are 626 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:35,440 very uh the type of equipment that's very 627 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:40,400 prone to breaking down. I was surprised to learn out of their fleet of 40 some 628 00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:45,920 odd vehicles, I think like five or six of those sit there as backups because 629 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:51,280 it's anticipated that, you know, so that that really reframed this in my mind of 630 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,000 a cost of ownership of as well is, you know, just because you buy a brand new 631 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,880 unit doesn't mean that you're not going to be putting 50 grand into it two or 632 00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:01,920 three years down the road, >> right? I mean, that's right, from the 633 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:06,079 experts. So, 634 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:10,800 I don't really have anything else to add on the topic. Um, unless the council 635 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:16,079 does. Like I said, I'm I'm working diligently myself and trying to work 636 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:24,440 with Ryan as well to really bring together a full proposal to the council 637 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:24,440 so we we know what we're deciding on. 638 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:30,079 So, unless there's anything else there, 639 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:35,359 we'll move on to added item number five, which is the WDA. 640 00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:42,319 Um, so it's brought to my attention that Diana Baxter um has uh 641 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:48,079 announced or or made known that she wishes to resign from the board. Um, no 642 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:53,200 longer really has a vested interest in the community. I believe she's largely 643 00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:57,520 moved out. So, um, not really having the time commitment or the vested interest, 644 00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:04,400 she's choosing to step down, uh, which leaves an open seat. and uh our 645 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:09,119 long-term audience member uh Andrew Nephew has expressed interest and would 646 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:13,680 like to join the WDDA. Um 647 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,680 any questions there? I know it's kind of straightforward. 648 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:25,680 So that said, I recommend that we approve 649 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:31,839 resolution 2026-2 recognizes the recognizing the vacant uh 650 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:36,079 WDA seat and the appointment of Andrew Nephew to the DDA [laughter] board. 651 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,640 » So moved. [clears throat] >> Roll call. 652 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,640 » Yes. >> Short. 653 00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:42,960 » Yes. Stanfield. >> Yes. 654 00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:46,240 » Walter. >> Yes. 655 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:51,200 » Yes. Welcome aboard, Andrew. 656 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:56,119 Um, Jessica or somebody from the village office will work with you on getting you 657 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,119 sworn in. 658 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,920 » What's Andrew's first name? >> Nephew. 659 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,920 » Nephew. >> Yes. 660 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:10,000 » Okay. Brings us to the end of new business. And at this time, we'll open 661 00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:15,200 up for our second round of public comment at 6:52. 662 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:20,240 Yes, sir. John Leonard, village [clears throat] 663 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:25,280 resident. Mr. President, I've got a few items here that I'm concerned about as 664 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:29,520 uh things that are going on in the village and I would like to have some 665 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:34,400 address to this. Number one is is going to be addressed to the village attorney 666 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:43,520 if he can answer this which is a yes or no. Is there again a pending lawsuit 667 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:49,280 legal action against the village and yourself as the president concerning the 668 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,760 firing of a former employee employee? 669 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,800 Is there a yes or no on that 670 00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:04,640 or refusal to answer? >> This is public comment. 671 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:11,196 » I It's a question for the attorney. Is there a pending loss? Yes or no? I know 672 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:15,680 I know that there's been a serving, so [clears throat] I just want to hear it 673 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:21,280 as a public records. Yes or no? And I'm taking that this failure to 674 00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:25,599 answer is the comment I'm going to get tonight. 675 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:29,280 Okay, move on. Concern out of control spend out of 676 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:34,720 control spending as a result of legal advice. 677 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:39,440 White Rose is an issue. Attorney fees continue to rise. I'm not saying that's 678 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:44,319 the fault of the attorney, but the council needs to be aware. This is 679 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:48,400 costing or potentially costing us through attorney fees, 680 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:54,880 and we as the taxpayer is going to be responsible ultimately for this. Uh the 681 00:53:51,040 --> 00:54:00,800 equal fine, $32,500. This was paid as a result of of action 682 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,680 on the village at the taxpayers's expense. 683 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:11,200 The equipment [clears throat] request for potential uh equipment. My concern 684 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:17,920 is could this lead to potential property damage again involving legal fees and 685 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:22,079 increased legal costs passed on to the village. and his hydro back again 686 00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:27,520 because I'm concerned about property damage or potential litigation from 687 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:32,720 property owners. Uh the budget I just want to say in my opinion that the 688 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:38,240 budget the village budget the taxpayers dollars is not 689 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:43,040 a personal spending account for the village president. That's my opinion and 690 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:50,319 I need to express that. Now I would like to explain why if it's possible. I'm 691 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:54,960 told that a village employee again was disciplined 692 00:54:52,480 --> 00:55:00,720 and again there's probably a potential for legal fees as a result of the 693 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:04,480 president's decision making. And I just want to remind the council 694 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:10,720 and I know my time is up. One more comment. The [clears throat] council has 695 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:16,640 the ultimate control over the decision making of this body and it's in my 696 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:23,119 opinion that this council should take control and control what is 697 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:28,880 being decided at this at this board. Thank you. Those are my comments. 698 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:33,359 » Thank you. Any other public comment this evening? 699 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:39,760 Okay, seeing none. So, we will close public comment at 656. 700 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:44,640 Uh, as far as the president's comments, Scott, I I know this is my section, but 701 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:49,680 is there anything that you want to want to address in in that public comment? 702 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:55,520 » Um, I'm happy to. Um, yes, there is a pending lawsuit that's been filed in the 703 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:59,680 Ingam County Circuit Court, I believe. Uh, I'm not handling the matter. It's 704 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:06,240 being taken up by our insurance provider, their attorneys. Um, so I I 705 00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:09,599 can't I I I sincerely don't have any more 706 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:13,520 information than that. The attorneys through the MML have that now in their 707 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:22,000 possession uh through our insurance policy. Um, 708 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:27,040 the white rose. Um, yes. And the the very reason why this is 709 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:33,520 still pending in the Michigan Court of Appeals is that right now I have secured 710 00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:36,400 a judgment for all my attorney fees in relation to the White Rose matter. And 711 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:42,720 that is what they're essentially appealing. Um there the defendant White 712 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:46,480 Rose is essentially saying don't make me responsible for all these attorney fees 713 00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:51,280 where the circuit court of Ben County has already said White Rose you pay the 714 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:57,400 bill for all the attorney fees. So that's that's the piece that's in there. 715 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,400 Um 716 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:07,359 I think is that it for the attorney questions? I believe so. So um all other 717 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:13,440 questions um we'll try to get back to you. Um 718 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:18,079 within a week. Uh I have no further comments beyond that which brings us to 719 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:21,440 comments from the council. >> Just like to say thank you for your 720 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:26,160 time. Jessica, was the check move out to 721 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,319 Eagle? >> So then that fine is definitely taken 722 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:38,079 care of. >> Mr. B, this question is then for you. 723 00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:44,319 Since we weren't even allowed to discuss that until eagle rendered their decision 724 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:50,079 we paid. Is this [clears throat] now the time that you write a termination letter 725 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:53,040 for Shane Batliff? >> Well, I believe 726 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:57,359 » we put this to bed. >> I believe so. Uh well, let me back up. I 727 00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:02,799 believe that the matter has already been resolved. Um, I would have to go back 728 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:07,119 and check uh with the minutes or the village record. I believe the matter was 729 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,200 handled by pre former president Brad Hitchcock. I haven't double checked 730 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:12,559 that. >> Yeah. But you had said, if memory serves 731 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:18,400 me correctly, >> said that you could not give him a 732 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:23,119 letter of termination until we found out what Eagle 733 00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:27,119 » was going to do and the Eagle fine. >> Yeah. And I will have to double check 734 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:31,839 all that. And I and that was a position at one time, but I got to go back and 735 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:35,680 double check because I have for whatever reason I'm believing that former 736 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:40,799 President Hitchcock terminated the employment officially, 737 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:44,880 but I will double check that. And if that has not happened, then yes, an 738 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,760 official termination letter would have to be 739 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,480 dispatched. >> Okay. And council does not need to 740 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,760 approve that at that point. >> Nope. 741 00:58:53,760 --> 00:59:02,880 » Okay. Uh the normal course of business of any kind of uh 742 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:10,079 disciplinary action or discharge, the employees are given a fiveday window to 743 00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:14,960 grieve any action whereby uh that grievance then could come back in front 744 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:19,920 of the council for review. >> Okay. And is there any way to recover 745 00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:22,000 the 32,500 fine? 746 00:59:21,931 --> 00:59:26,240 » [clears throat] >> Not that I'm aware of, but I can I I'd 747 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:31,760 be willing to check into it. But as far as I know from what I having gone 748 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:35,040 through this at this very moment, are you saying like to seek damages from 749 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:40,799 an individual? >> Well, well, yeah, we're out that money 750 00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:46,000 for something that he ultimately caused. >> Yeah, that uh I do not believe that is 751 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:51,760 an option, but [clears throat] I can double check that. 752 00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:56,480 Any other comments from the council for this 753 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:59,040 evening? I'm seeing none. So, is there a motion 754 00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:04,640 to adjurnn? >> I will make motion to adjurnn at 6. 755 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:11,480 Second. All in favor say I. >> I. All opposed. 756 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,480 Thank you all for coming.