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Good evening. I'd like to welcome

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everyone to the uh September 10th, 2026

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regular meeting of the city of Webster

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Groves Board of Adjustment. Randy, would

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you please uh call the role?

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» Uh Debbie Sberg

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» Here.

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» Uh John Bur

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» Here,

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» Jennifer Gates

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» Here,

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» Randy Sprag here, and Conrad Hebrron

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» Here.

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» Thank you. In addition to the board

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members here, we also have the uh acting

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city attorney Peter Bunchreger and the

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um and Evan Winkler staff um from the

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planning department. Uh

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this evening we have two two requests,

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two variance requests, and we will hear

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each one separately. Um, first the the

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city will present the their case. Then

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the applicant or his his or her

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representative will have the opportunity

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to present their request for the board

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and to the board and answer questions.

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Then we will ask for anyone who's either

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in the audience or online who's in favor

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of the request to speak and then anyone

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who is opposed to the application to

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speak. the board will then close the

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public session and the and discuss it

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and make a decision on that variance and

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then we'll go back to the next variance.

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These proceedings are recorded. Uh we do

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ask you to speak clearly and one at a

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time and you will need to come to the uh

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to the podium to speak. The uh we will

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vote on like I said we will vote on your

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application tonight for a decision.

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Approval will take four out of the five

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members approval. Please try not to be

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redundant or repetitive in your

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comments.

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Randy, would you please read the powers

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relative to variances?

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» Yes. um when by reason of exceptional

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narrowness, shallowess or shape of a

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specific piece of property as of

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September 20, 1956

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or by reason of exceptional

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topographical conditions or other

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extraordinary exceptional situation or

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condition of a specific piece of

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property which condition is not

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generally prevalent in the neighborhood.

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The strict application of the area

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regulations of this zoning code would

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result in a particular and exceptional

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practical difficulties to the

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exceptional and undue hardship upon the

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owner of such property. The board is

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hereby empowered to authorize upon

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appeal relating to such property a

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variation from such strict application

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so as to relieve such difficulties or

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hardships.

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» Thank you. Would you please read the

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first read docket 2440 into the record?

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» Okay. Um docket 2440 is an application

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made by Michael E. Blae as the architect

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of record on behalf of the property

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owner at at 104 C East Cedar Avenue. The

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property is located within the A47500

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square foot residence district. And then

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on the back there's four.

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» Okay. The applicant is requesting a

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variance from municipal code section

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53.073D

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in order to build a bedroom suite

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addition connecting the existing house

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to the existing detached garage

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resulting in the primary structure being

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6.67 ft from the rear lot line or south

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property line.

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» Thank you, Mr. Gruntger.

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Prior to questioning, I would ask first

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that um we know exhibits one through

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eight uh in the packet uh as maybe to

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take part of the record. I would also

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ask that exhibit nine be included which

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is any tough presentation used uh during

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our question.

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» Thank you.

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» Uh and I would call Winkler to testify.

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» Mr. Winkler, would you please raise your

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right hand? Do you solemnly swear that

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the testimony you're about to give is

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the truth, the whole truth, and nothing

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but the truth?

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» I do.

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» Thank you very much. Please go ahead.

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» Could you state your name for the

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record?

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» Evan Winkler.

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» And are you employed by the city of

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Webster Groves?

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» Yes, I am.

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» What's your title?

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» Uh staff planner.

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» And what are your duties in that

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position?

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» Uh to administer and execute the zoning

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code.

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» Through your work with the city, are you

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familiar with uh exhibit uh excuse me,

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docket number 2440 104 East Cedar

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Avenue?

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» Yes.

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» Is that property within city limits?

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» It is.

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» In which zoning district is it located?

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A4 7500 square foot residence district.

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» What is the applicant's request in

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docket number 2440?

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» Um the applicant is requesting a

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variance of 18.33

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uh ft from the required 25 ft rear yard

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setback.

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» And just just so we're clear on those

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numbers, uh what is the proposed setback

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that's requested in this variant?

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» The proposed setback will be a 6.67 ft

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rear yard. Which code sections apply to

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this request? Uh that's code section

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Uh dimensional regulations for the rear

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yard setback.

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» Can you explain the current conditions

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of the property?

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» I can. Uh can I present my

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» Absolutely.

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All right. Um so this again as we said

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this property is located in the A4 7500

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ft² residence district. Um they're

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requesting a variance from the rear yard

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setback requirement. Um in the A4

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district uh the rear yard setback is

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established by a percentage uh which is

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20% of the depth of the lot. Um this is

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an unusually shallow lot. So it gives

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provisions in this section that um the

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rear yard shall never be less than 25

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ft. Um so this lot is only 115.79

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ft in length. Uh 20% of that depth would

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actually only be a 23.16

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ft rear yard. Uh but the code requires a

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25 ft rear yard.

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corner of Cedar Avenue and South Maple

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Avenue. Um so it's a corner lot. Um it

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was it's in our central Webster historic

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district. Um the primary structure was

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built in 1925. Uh the lots approximately

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um 9,000 some change square ft.

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the existing primary structure, the

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twotory framed uh stuckle building um

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and the existing rear detached garage.

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Um the green is highlighting where a

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front yard setback uh would prevent

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somebody from building an addition onto

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their house. Um so that leaves

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essentially the rear portion behind the

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primary structure as well as some side

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yard. Um and the architect who prepared

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these plans, you can see um dashed out

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where the setback is uh for both the

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rear and the sideyard.

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the proposed addition will connect the

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detached garage with the primary

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structure. Um, so it is located in the

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side and rear yard. Um, but because of

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that, um, it creates one primary

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structure that would end up having its

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closest, um, distance from the structure

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to the rear yard, uh, being that circle

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in purple, uh, which is the 6.6 67 ft um

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rear yard.

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Um again, these are just some images um

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to see the context of what they're

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proposing. Um essentially, it's a a new

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suite um with a primary bedroom as well

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as the restrooms

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um adjacent to the garage and then

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connecting um to the primary structure

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uh with a new front porch.

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Uh these are the elevation drawings

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prepared by the architect. Uh you can

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see from the street view uh where the

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addition is going. Um and this is a view

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from uh Mabel.

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Are there any questions from the board?

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» I do have a question.

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In one of the site diagrams that you

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just presented, it appears the addition

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uh ranges in distance from that rear

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yard set back between I guess at 7.15

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and 7.14

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and then it's really the corner of the

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garage, the existing garage that's at

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6.67.

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That's correct. And so because of the

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way we review uh primary structures

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which a primary structure could include

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an attached garage

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» Um

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» The closest point is where we want to if

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you grant the variance you would want to

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allow for the variance at the closest

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» Okay. Thank you.

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» Anyone else have any questions for Mr.

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Winkler?

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» Nice diagrams. No.

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So, so the clearance on the side is not

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» Correct. It's in the A4 district, a six

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foot sideyard setback requirement.

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» That's what I understood.

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» And the garage, the existing garage is

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completely out of compliance.

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» Um,

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» Or does that fall in accessory building

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» Compliant with

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» As a detached garage? I believe it is in

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compliance. It would only need a 5ft

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side yard and a rear yard.

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» Yeah, that's right. Okay. So, as it

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stands, it's it's compliant because it's

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a freestanding garage. So, when the

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minute it's attached, it becomes

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» A different thing.

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» Yeah.

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» And I struggled with that, too.

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» It's no longer an accessory.

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» It's no longer a detached garage.

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» Okay.

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» Any other questions for for Mr. Winkler?

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» Neat.

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» Who's here in favor? Who's here

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representing uh docket 2440?

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I believe we have Michael Blae online.

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» Okay.

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» Oh.

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» Um, Mr. Blaze, can you hear us?

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» Yes. Can you hear me?

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» Hello? Can you hear me?

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» Raised

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» Right.

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» Hold on a second.

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» Unmuted him, right?

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» Yes, he's shown as unmuted. Michael, are

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you with us?

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» Yes, I am.

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» He has permissions to talk. I can

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» Um

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» Please.

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» Okay. Well, Alex, you want to

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» Can you hear me now

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» For now?

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» Anybody hear me?

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» Please raise your right hand. Do you

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solemnly swear that the testimony you're

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about to give is the truth, the whole

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truth, and nothing but the truth?

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» Yes.

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» And and please state your full name.

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» Uh Alexander Blaze.

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» Okay. Okay.

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Please go ahead.

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Um, as you can see, uh, you've done a

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pretty good job of describing the

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current, uh, structure as well as the

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detail. Uh, our client would like to

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build a new, uh, bedroom suite in order

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to age in place and save her home.

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Um, and this would allow her to do so.

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Uh,

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clearly without, uh, this uh, project

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without this variance. There is not

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really any way to fit a new sweet on.

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» I assume when you say age in place, she

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wants the suite on the first floor,

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right?

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» Uh what's the what's the particular

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hardship

301
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that's related to the land?

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Um so

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uh there's uh you can see the existing

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concrete driveway and such. Uh we aren't

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allowed to build

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uh really anywhere further uh towards

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the bolt front yard with our uh front.

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Um and

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So crazy.

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» And this is the this is the only place

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on the lot that you see as a reasonable

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place to build.

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» Lot the lot depth being what it is,

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» Right? The lot depth and

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» Width.

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» It's a right

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» Very small lot. Um

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» Well, it's not a very it's not a very

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small lot in the A4.

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» Take it take it from somebody who lives

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in the A4. Not a very small a small

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small lot in the A4 but

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» Not not a lot of room to move.

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» But not a lot of room to move.

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» Right.

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» And and your the plans proposed to save

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the tree.

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» Uh I believe so. Yes.

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» No, it does not. Not save.

330
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Right.

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» Can you hear me?

332
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» Any other questions for Mr. Blaze?

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» No.

334
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» Okay.

335
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» Can anyone hear me?

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» Down. Is there anyone in the audience

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» Or online in favor of DOIT 2440

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who would like to speak?

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Come on up.

340
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Please raise your right hand. Do you

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solemnly swear that the testimony you're

342
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about to give is the truth, the whole

343
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truth, and nothing but the truth?

344
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» Thank you very much. Please state your

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name and then go ahead.

346
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» Whoever

347
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that can't be heard.

348
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» Oh, hello. Um,

349
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so, um,

350
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this idea, so I have lived there 26

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years.

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» So, you have there a long time.

353
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» I've lived there a long time. And I have

354
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loved this house. Uh, when I bought the

355
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house, I um did kind of what everybody

356
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does. I put in the new kitchen. I

357
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remodeled the bathroom. And I added a

358
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little uh powder room on the first

359
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floor. It has worked incredibly well. I

360
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love the neighborhood. I love everything

361
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about this. Um, the aging in place is a

362
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bit of a challenge here because the

363
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there's the bedrooms are on the top

364
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floor, the laundry is in the basement

365
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and I started to look around to move and

366
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I thought my heart doesn't want to move

367
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but the practicality is I probably

368
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should move because at some point I am

369
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just not going to want to do three

370
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floors here. And um, this idea came

371
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about last year. I contacted Mike. I had

372
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met him years and years ago and um kind

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of said what's possible and so that's

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how this plan came about. Um

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» In I think I have to lose the tree. I

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want to be honest about that because I

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if if the porch does happen, I will have

378
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no patio whatsoever. Um, another

379
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possibility is to maybe reconfigure it

380
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so that there's not a porch and then I

381
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could still have a bit of a patio. I'd

382
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like to still have some outdoor space to

383
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sit at. Um, and so that's just something

384
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that we would have to work out. Um, I I

385
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hope this can work. I think it can look

386
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beautiful and like it could have been

387
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there. I know the garage is the

388
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challenge because it's just a challenge.

389
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Um, but um, I I I think it would be

390
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beautiful and I think they would do a

391
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great job. So, that's what I'd like to

392
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say. Any questions for me beyond the

393
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fact that I've lived there 20? Well, I I

394
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moved in the year of 911, so that's

395
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exactly uh I'm on my anniversary.

396
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» So, um, you're not changing the garage

397
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at this point in time, right?

398
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» No,

399
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» Just attaching it to it. Any

400
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questions for

401
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» And it's just to clarify it's not that

402
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you're removing the tree. We're not

403
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promising that the tree will survive or

404
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that it can be built the addition

405
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without removing the tree.

406
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» I I'll point out we could talk about the

407
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tree. The tree is not part of the

408
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considerations here unless you're you're

409
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considering whether that's a hardship on

410
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the land. Uh which I suppose you could

411
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be. Um we are

412
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» Speak for the tree. I well Yeah,

413
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» There is a there is another commission

414
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that speaks for the trees. I'd urge you

415
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to talk to that commission.

416
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» Okay.

417
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» Well said. Well said.

418
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» And this will have to go to the

419
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architectural review board as well, the

420
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design and all this.

421
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Any other questions for Miss Weber?

422
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» And this would then also give you indoor

423
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access from the garage

424
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» Or would it not? I can't tell from the

425
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plan. So you

426
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» Well, she's showing it. They're showing

427
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an access onto the new porch, but not

428
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necessarily the house.

429
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» No, I see. I still have to step out of

430
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the garage door. Correct. You are

431
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correct. Okay.

432
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» Right. It is not like a pass. It's not

433
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uh coming in the back door from the

434
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garage.

435
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» Okay.

436
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» I'm not sure if that's relevant, but I

437
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was trying to understand the plan.

438
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» No, I understand.

439
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» I think you had another question. You

440
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looked at me. No. No. Okay. All right.

441
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» Have you had any discuss? I'm good. No

442
00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,760
question. Have you had any discussion

443
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with neighbors?

444
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» Well, I have. I've I've talked to the

445
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neighbor to the east um because um they

446
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and I have talked quite a bit about

447
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aging in place. And so, uh when the

448
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property was um

449
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uh what's the word I want? Uh surveyed

450
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and the stake went into the ground,

451
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they're like, "Well, I guess we finally

452
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know what our property line is." because

453
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it was always fuzzy on that side. And I

454
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said, "This is my plan." They had

455
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received a letter from you and um I

456
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said, "I this is roughly what the plan

457
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would be. I haven't walked them through

458
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it like this is here." And um I said,

459
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you know, and they said, "It sounds

460
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good." And that's kind of they were

461
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going to come to the meeting in August,

462
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but I had to cancel the meeting in

463
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August for attending because of a um

464
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another priority, meaning taking care of

465
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somebody very ill. Um the neighbors to

466
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the south I talked to um gosh, three

467
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months ago, and I said, "I'm kind of

468
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thinking about doing this." And um she

469
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said, "That sounds great because then

470
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you can stay as our neighbor." But I

471
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nobody in in this case has actually seen

472
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this, you know, to I I haven't asked for

473
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their approval, but I have discussed the

474
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fact that I'd like to do this and um it

475
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s I figured if they're really going to

476
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object, they would be here.

477
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» No.

478
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» Anything else? Any other questions?

479
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» Yeah,

480
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» I don't believe so. You Thanks as well.

481
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Is there anyone online who'd like to

482
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speak or else in the audience who'd like

483
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:52,240
to speak in favor of docket 2240?

484
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,080
» We do have a message uh from Michael

485
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Blae. His audio isn't working, but he

486
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,440
has provided us with a chat, but so I

487
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,960
will add that to the record where it

488
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says, "Our hardship is the location of

489
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the house on the corner lot with double

490
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:06,480
frontage and no options for addition uh

491
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other than towards the garage. Uh the

492
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house has not been added to since its

493
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construction in 1925."

494
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» Thank you very much. Um, thank you very

495
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:18,440
much. Mr. Blaze, do you want to speak in

496
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,440
favor? Okay, come on up.

497
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Would you please raise your right hand?

498
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Do you solemnly swear that the testimony

499
00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:27,120
you're about to give is the truth, the

500
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,679
whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

501
00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,280
» Yes.

502
00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:29,919
» And then please state your name and then

503
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,080
go ahead.

504
00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:34,799
» My name is Deborah Carpenter, and I'm

505
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the neighbor to the west across the

506
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street. Directly across the street.

507
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» So that would be across um South Maple.

508
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,120
South Maple, right?

509
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,159
» Yeah.

510
00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,320
» Go ahead.

511
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» And I'm in favor of this because I think

512
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it's a wonderful plan. I think it'd be a

513
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,520
beautiful addition. Would really fit in

514
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on the street. Um I we also were looking

515
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:58,720
at ways to stay in our house. It's kind

516
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of a common theme on the block. And um

517
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I'm very much in favor of the plan,

518
00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:05,919
especially with the the way it's

519
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designed so that you can have the porch

520
00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:10,320
and connect the pieces. I think it'll

521
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,520
look even better than it does now. I did

522
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:16,880
have one question and that's just about

523
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,799
traffic on South Maple with construction

524
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:22,960
and I don't know if this is the right

525
00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:27,039
place to ask that or not, but um we are

526
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:29,280
also the neighbor of uh the house at 131

527
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South Maple, which is a large very large

528
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,559
house that had a very large construction

529
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,400
project for over a year, closer to two

530
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years. and we were the next door

531
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neighbors um north of them and at

532
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:43,760
sometimes we had as many as 17

533
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construction

534
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:49,120
uh vehicles on the street and the Monday

535
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,440
club is also on our street and sometimes

536
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:54,240
you just absolutely can't get through.

537
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,960
So it's just a question about what do we

538
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,440
do?

539
00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:00,240
» Mr. Winkley, can you address that?

540
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,760
» Um I don't know the regulations for

541
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,240
public rightway off the top of my head.

542
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,840
I've assured um her that I'll be looking

543
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,440
into it and I can follow up. We've got

544
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,240
her um contact information.

545
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,000
» Yeah, that'd be great. I think it's a

546
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,159
really nice addition.

547
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,159
» Thank you.

548
00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:21,480
» Anyone else who'd like to speak in favor

549
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,480
of docket 2440?

550
00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:25,280
Is there anyone in the audience or

551
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,760
online who would like to speak in

552
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:31,520
opposition or with concern regarding

553
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:34,080
docket 2440?

554
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:37,120
No one else is online.

555
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,640
» Hearing none and seeing none, um we'll

556
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:42,640
close

557
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,559
the close this um close the open

558
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,080
discussion and move to to board

559
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:50,400
discussion. Can we have a motion

560
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,280
regarding docket 22 2440 so we can start

561
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,120
the discussion?

562
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,159
» A motion that we approve the variance

563
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:56,080
request.

564
00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:58,320
» Second.

565
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:02,000
So

566
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:04,720
» Well I you know uh the lot dimensions

567
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,039
are a limiting factor to where one can

568
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,240
create a project like this. I I think

569
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:13,600
that's pretty clear. Um, I think the

570
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,799
planning that has been done to date does

571
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,720
uh really honor uh this this this h your

572
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:21,440
house is one of my favorite houses by

573
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,520
the way that and that whole corner and

574
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,280
and I think the way that addition has

575
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,640
been thought about is is really smart

576
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:31,600
and elegant and uh um honors what's

577
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:35,360
there and yes I speak for the trees but

578
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:40,080
the way it sits back I think is is uh

579
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:42,240
meets the intent of good urban design

580
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,679
» In question.

581
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:49,120
Not necessarily the design at all, but

582
00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:50,640
the precedence of

583
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:54,480
six feet from the back of a property

584
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,720
line is very close and you're making a

585
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,400
full house.

586
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,039
Just because we like this one doesn't

587
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,840
necessarily mean that

588
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:06,559
we can I'm just conf I'm concerned about

589
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,880
the future of

590
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,960
um

591
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,760
» The precedent we may be setting

592
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,480
» Correct

593
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,159
» But this the sign setback is actually

594
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,159
permitted

595
00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:17,279
» With the

596
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:20,000
» The garage

597
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:22,799
» With the detached garage. Yes. But when

598
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,640
it's attached to the house

599
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,080
it makes it the primary structure.

600
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,919
» Right. I thought you were talking about

601
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,760
the sidey art setback, not the rear.

602
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:34,000
» No, no, the rear set. I get the whole

603
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:38,960
idea that we have a lot. It's a corner

604
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:42,000
lot. It's um but we have those rules in

605
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:48,840
place to create what Gluster looks like.

606
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:48,840
And I was just a little hesitant to

607
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,760
mess with it.

608
00:24:53,200 --> 00:25:01,440
I think the way this sits back

609
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:04,320
uh has minimal impact. And when when you

610
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,159
think about extending the wall, the

611
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,200
elevation of the garage, we're really

612
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:10,880
only talking about extending it u 10 ft.

613
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,600
» 11 ft almost 11 ft.

614
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,559
» You know, one one half less than one

615
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,559
half the length of the existing building

616
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:21,880
in a in a spot where it really isn't

617
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,880
going to be visible.

618
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:32,799
I would point out that they do have a um

619
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:36,159
39 foot setback from um from East Cedar

620
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:37,200
which is sign which is larger than

621
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:41,679
normally

622
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:44,320
» Uh would be would be established. Um so

623
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:46,640
in partially part of the issue is the

624
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,000
placement of the house as far back from

625
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,600
the cedar as it is

626
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,200
» Right which I also would suggest is a

627
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,120
hardship to some extent in the sense

628
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,440
that the house is so far back from the

629
00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:00,080
front relative to its position to the

630
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,120
back and that's can't be changed. I mean

631
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760
you're not going to tear down the house

632
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:06,159
and move it. So to me to some extent I

633
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,919
think that mitigates

634
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:10,640
some some of the concerns I had and I

635
00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:12,320
share your concern but I I think this to

636
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,799
some extent mitigates that because of

637
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:18,080
the position of the house on the lot

638
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:19,679
itself so far back relative to the size

639
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,760
of the lot that there not a lot of

640
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:23,840
options and I appreciate the fact that

641
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,760
design doesn't raise this above the

642
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,480
level of the garage. This is basically

643
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,240
at the same level. So, it's not a

644
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,799
two-story addition back there going,

645
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,840
"Wait, it's not that." It's it's sort of

646
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:38,960
a it sort of joins the existing property

647
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,960
» And and it receds, you know, they they

648
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,200
could build this addition right up to

649
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,240
that side. I guess it's sideyard

650
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:49,600
setback. Correct, Evan? and and right

651
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:53,120
» The the new being in the same plane with

652
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:56,960
this old elegant cottage it it would be

653
00:26:53,120 --> 00:27:00,320
obnoxious brushing it back I think helps

654
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,000
give the primary structure honors it u

655
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,840
historically in terms of what it's been

656
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,600
and its charm and character so um I

657
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,360
think in that regard

658
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,760
» It's it's

659
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,000
all

660
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,600
» It's having a spirited conversation the

661
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,240
the question is what's the hardship and

662
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,400
I And and that's really the key and I

663
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,640
think the key to me the hardship is the

664
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,799
first of all the size a lot but also the

665
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,039
fact that it is the house it's the

666
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,799
primary structure is so far back that

667
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:29,440
there's not a lot of options that you

668
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,880
have other than to go with sort of the

669
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,960
existing plan that they have.

670
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,400
» I I think Mr. Blaze said it well. It's a

671
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,039
corner lot.

672
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:40,480
» A lot of real estate is taken from it

673
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:43,520
with the two large setbacks.

674
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,360
» So it limits your options.

675
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,240
any questions or any comments?

676
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,480
» No. Um I kind of agree with uh his

677
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,320
comments. Um I also think the fact that

678
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,760
there's the existing garage there and

679
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,960
it's uh and there already there's now a

680
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:01,120
joining structure makes it

681
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,360
» And and Evan, you did say this is in a

682
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,279
historic district. So the standards that

683
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,840
the architectural review board will use

684
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,399
are slightly different than

685
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,720
» Right

686
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:13,440
» Not if it was something that was not in

687
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,640
a historic district or an historic

688
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,240
district. Correct?

689
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,279
» Does anyone

690
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:24,960
» Does anyone have any other questions or

691
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:27,960
comments uh before we um call for the

692
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,960
vote?

693
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,799
All in favor of docket 2440, please say

694
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,679
I.

695
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,440
» I.

696
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:36,480
» All opposed.

697
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,000
» I.

698
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,679
» Um

699
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Randy, would you please pull the

700
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:43,279
» I will.

701
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,480
» Um Debbie Sberg.

702
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,039
» Uh John Bur.

703
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,000
» I.

704
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,720
» Jennifer Gates.

705
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,080
» No.

706
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,640
» Uh Randy Sprag. I uh Conrad Hebrron.

707
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,399
» Hi.

708
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,760
» Okay. So, your variance has been

709
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:58,000
approved. Please see city staff during

710
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,919
regular business hours for your next

711
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,600
steps. Thank you very much.

712
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:05,840
» Um

713
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,320
» Randy, would you please read docket

714
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,080
2441?

715
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,440
» Better one than I am

716
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,399
» Into um

717
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,679
» Into the record

718
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:18,320
» Here. Uh docket 2441, an application

719
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:21,760
being made by Mary J. Dietrich, property

720
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:24,000
owner of 21 West Swan Avenue. The

721
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,200
property is located within the A2

722
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,200
15,000q ft residence district. The

723
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:34,039
applicant is requesting a variance from

724
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,039
municipal code sections 53.058F,

725
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,559
53.058J,

726
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:45,640
and 53.058N

727
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:45,640
in order to build a detached garage 54T.

728
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,559
50.

729
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:53,760
What is that?

730
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:58,000
It's 54 feet 6 and 3/4 or

731
00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:01,279
» Oh, 54t 6 and 3/4 in feet. Okay,

732
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,120
whatever. From the front lot line, 13 ft

733
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,039
tall without complying with the minimum

734
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,200
sideyard setback requirements of the

735
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:10,080
district as applied to the primary

736
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,000
structure and 4 feet from the side lot

737
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,279
or west property line.

738
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,679
» Thank you.

739
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,880
» Sorry,

740
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:18,640
» Mr. Brigger. Uh before uh calling

741
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,080
witnesses, I would ask that the eight

742
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,760
exhibits included in your packet there

743
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,520
are made part of the record and then in

744
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,679
exhibit nine, which is any powerpoint

745
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,360
used during uh the present during the

746
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:28,080
testimony, also be included as part of

747
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,559
the record.

748
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,000
» Thank you.

749
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,039
» Uh we would have Mr. Winkler testify who

750
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,520
I believe is already sworn.

751
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,720
» Yes.

752
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,039
» Could you please state your name for the

753
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,080
record?

754
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,360
» Uh Evan Winkler.

755
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,679
» Are you employed by the city of Webster

756
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,159
Groves?

757
00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:37,039
» Yes, I am.

758
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:38,159
» In what capacity?

759
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,200
» Uh staff planner.

760
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:39,520
» And what are your duties in that

761
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,279
position?

762
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,960
» To administer and execute the zoning

763
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,679
regulations. Through your work with the

764
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,399
city, are you familiar with 21 West Swan

765
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:46,960
Avenue?

766
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:48,640
» Yes, I am.

767
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,679
» Is that property located within the city

768
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,240
of Webster Groves?

769
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:51,440
» Yes, it is.

770
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,480
» In which zoning district?

771
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,360
» It's in the A2 15,000 ft residence

772
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640
district.

773
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,720
» What is the applicant's request in

774
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,960
docket number 2441?

775
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,480
» Um, so the applicant is requesting a

776
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:09,039
variance of 5t 5 and 5/8 inch from the

777
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:12,159
required 60 ft um distance to the front

778
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:15,840
lot line. Uh they're requesting one foot

779
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:18,799
from the uh required 5-ft sideyard

780
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:22,559
setback and they're requesting one foot

781
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:25,440
from the 12T height requirement

782
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:30,000
um without meeting the primary structure

783
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:33,600
setbacks. Um so that ends up being a 54t

784
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:36,799
6 and 3/4 in front yard setback, a 4ft

785
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,360
sideyard setback, and a 13t um tall

786
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,880
building.

787
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,880
» All right. If just so we can make sure

788
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,760
we're clear on these numbers, is there

789
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,559
is that a variance from the front line

790
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,039
setback?

791
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,799
» It is.

792
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,519
» And what is the required front line

793
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,399
setback?

794
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,399
» 60 ft.

795
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:51,840
» Okay. Is that a variance from the uh

796
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,399
minimum sideyard setback?

797
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,720
» It is.

798
00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:55,279
» What is the required minimum uh sideyard

799
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,840
setback?

800
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,519
» 5T.

801
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,559
» Okay. And and what again? What is the

802
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,159
request there?

803
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:03,760
» Uh one foot.

804
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:05,600
» So it's 4T a 4 foot variance, right?

805
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,840
Okay. And and the setback in the front

806
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,880
is how big a variance

807
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:15,600
» It is 5' 5 and 5/4 inch or use am I

808
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,200
supposed to say it 54t 6 and 3/4.

809
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,279
» So so the variance is the difference

810
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,799
between what the what the the setback

811
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,760
requirement is and what is being

812
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,440
requested.

813
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,440
» So we're asking for a variance in the

814
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:29,440
code of of your right 5T uh five and 5/8

815
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,760
in. Right. Right. And then from the

816
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,679
sideyard setback, the request is a

817
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,399
threefoot variance.

818
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:34,799
» Um,

819
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,000
» Four.

820
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,159
» So they're going to be at four. The

821
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,039
requirement is 5T. So a 1 foot

822
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:41,039
variation.

823
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,559
» Understood. And then

824
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,799
» Are there other are there any other

825
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:49,200
requests made part of this variance?

826
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:51,279
» So they're asking for 1 foot of height

827
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,360
without meeting primary structure

828
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:56,080
setbacks, which would be a 10-ft

829
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,480
sideyard setback.

830
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,919
» Okay. Let's let's cover that. Yeah. What

831
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,679
is the maximum height?

832
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:03,919
» What is the maximum height by the code?

833
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:07,039
» So, the code will allow for a 12T

834
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:08,159
detached structure if it meets 5 yard

835
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,679
setback requirements.

836
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:11,600
» Okay. So, it's not meeting the 5yard

837
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:13,279
setback requirements. So, it it would be

838
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,880
met it would be capped at 12 feet.

839
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,480
Excuse me. What's it capped if it

840
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,279
doesn't meet the set the setback?

841
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,279
» So, it can go up to as tall as the ridge

842
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:24,159
line of the primary structure, but you

843
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:26,880
have to meet uh primary structure

844
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:30,159
setbacks. So, because they're proposing

845
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,640
13 feet, they would have to set that at

846
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:33,039
10 feet away from the sideyard.

847
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,039
» Yes.

848
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:39,039
» The height of the garage is the issue

849
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:42,159
for the

850
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:45,519
for for that is is part of the issue,

851
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:47,519
not just the s not really the size. It's

852
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:50,159
not that the garage is too big and it's

853
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:51,120
kicking us. It's that it's too tall.

854
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:52,960
» Correct. I mean,

855
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120
» Three. So, it's partly the way the

856
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:59,279
zoning ordinance is written where it

857
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:02,000
ties in another code section

858
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:04,159
to provide for the allowances.

859
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,159
» In this instance though, they'd be

860
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:08,240
violating if they were building a 12ft

861
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:09,919
garage, they'd be violating no matter

862
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,679
what the sideyard setback because they

863
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:14,800
weren't 4 feet.

864
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:17,280
» But they're also asking for a 13t tall

865
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,720
so they can have the appropriate height.

866
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,599
Um, but in doing a 13ft tall garage, you

867
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:25,440
would need a 10-ft sideyard setback,

868
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,440
» Right? But if so, if it was it was 12

869
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,000
feet, they'd only need the five yard

870
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,399
setback.

871
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,679
» Correct.

872
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,280
» Okay. Okay.

873
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,720
» How

874
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,480
is it time?

875
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,919
» No, not we're not not quite there yet. I

876
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,240
We're just for clarification on the

877
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:39,599
variances. Yes. I And I this is what I

878
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,919
want to make sure because what what it

879
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:44,560
sounds like to me is that there if if

880
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:45,919
they have a 13oot structure and correct

881
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,839
me if I'm wrong. If it's a 13oot

882
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:49,280
structure, it requires a 10-ft setback.

883
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:50,560
Yes, they're asking for a one foot

884
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,320
setback.

885
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,520
» No, they're asking for a four foot set.

886
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,919
» They're asking So, we're we're looking

887
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,920
for a six-foot variance as as the

888
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:59,920
building stands as the building is is

889
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,440
set proposed to stand.

890
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:04,960
» I see. Yes, you Yes, it Yes.

891
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,359
» On the height.

892
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,079
» Yeah.

893
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:10,240
» Well, it's the whole thing. The height

894
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:13,119
of the garage

895
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:15,119
and they're asking for it to be 4 feet

896
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,359
when it would

897
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,800
what it would always be instead of

898
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:21,599
» Because of the height

899
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,800
» 5

900
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,079
» If it was 12.

901
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,599
» All right. So, I'm going to try to

902
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,200
clarify this because we we obviously

903
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,440
we've got a lot of numbers floating

904
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,640
around. So, just I'm I'm going to state

905
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,320
it. You correct me if I'm wrong, but

906
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,720
we're looking they're looking for a a 5

907
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:40,800
foot uh excuse me, 5 foot, 5 in, and and

908
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:42,560
uh 5/8 of an inch setback uh as as part

909
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,320
of the front yard setback. Correct.

910
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,240
That's the variance request. Yes.

911
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,200
» And then if we're talking about a a

912
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:51,280
proposed 13t tall structure, they

913
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,599
require a 10-ft setback. Correct?

914
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,760
» Yes.

915
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:55,440
» They're asking for a 4ft setback.

916
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Correct. So if we're trying to narrow

917
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,359
this down to two variances, that second

918
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,839
variance would be a six-foot variance

919
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:00,240
request.

920
00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:01,040
» Yes.

921
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,960
» Okay.

922
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,000
» All right. Which code sections apply to

923
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,599
these requests?

924
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,280
» Um this is code section 53.058,

925
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:11,760
which are the development standards for

926
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:16,640
accessory structures. Um and the sublet

927
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:18,240
letters are uh F, J, and N.

928
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680
» Can you describe the current condition

929
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,520
of the property?

930
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:26,839
» Um the current Yes, I have a

931
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,839
presentation um which I'll share here.

932
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,160
All right. Again, this is in our A2

933
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:36,000
15,000 square foot resident district. Um

934
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,720
the code sections that are applicable

935
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,280
are the front yard setback um distance

936
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:43,599
from the front lot line. Um the height

937
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,960
of a detached accessory structure which

938
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:48,880
affects the sideyard requirements. Um

939
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,599
and then accessory buildings are

940
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,640
required to be at least 5 foot sideyard

941
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:57,599
but if increased height um then it's an

942
00:36:54,640 --> 00:37:02,480
increased sideyard setback. Um you can

943
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:04,560
see um from this next slide um the shape

944
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:08,000
of the lot is a little bit unusual in

945
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,599
that there's a bit of a jog um and it

946
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,160
then narrows towards the rear of the

947
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:16,160
parcel. Uh it's also located in the

948
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:19,599
central Webster historic district. Um it

949
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:22,800
is approximately 11,000 almost 12,000

950
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:28,079
square foot uh lot. Um, there is an

951
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:30,160
existing detached uh garage that was um

952
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:32,320
the history on its construction is a

953
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,760
little bit fuzzy, but probably was built

954
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:39,040
not as a garage um and then converted at

955
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:43,040
some point in history. Uh but it sits at

956
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:47,079
12 feet wide or 12x 23 feet and some

957
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,079
change. Um,

958
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,000
in this next diagram you can see this is

959
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:55,520
the new proposed garage which will be a

960
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:59,760
16 by 24 ft uh which will give her uh

961
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:03,040
384 ft. Um, I do mention some trees in

962
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,520
this one, uh, just because, um, if they

963
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,480
were to put a detached garage in the

964
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,280
rear of the structure, um, they would be

965
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,160
required to cut down one, possibly two

966
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,200
trees. Um, and then

967
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,760
» I do know part of the request for its

968
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,680
distance to the front lot line is that

969
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,640
uh there's a desire to prever uh

970
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:28,320
preserve a magnolia tree uh that sits

971
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,800
behind the lot. Um the the brown arrow

972
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,599
uh is showing that jog in the shape of

973
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,920
the parcel. Um I've highlighted

974
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,520
essentially the sideyard setback in the

975
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,480
purple circle which would be they're

976
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,480
requesting a 4ft sideyard setback. Um

977
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:48,680
and then the distance again to the front

978
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,680
lot line is 54t 6 and 3/4 8 in.

979
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:54,480
Um these are just some elevations of the

980
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:57,680
proposed garage. Um,

981
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,640
again, it'll be 13 feet tall, uh, 54

982
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,200
feet 6 and 3/4 inch or sorry, yeah,

983
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,760
feet, uh, from the front lot line, uh, a

984
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,520
4ft sideyard set back. Uh, the allowance

985
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,960
is a 12t tall. Um,

986
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,400
if you're going to have a 5ft yard

987
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,720
setback, if it's taller than that, it'd

988
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,960
be 12 feet side or 10 foot sideyard

989
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:20,960
setback. Uh, it has to be 60 feet from

990
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,760
the front lot line. Um and again 5 ft or

991
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,079
the 10 ft.

992
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,560
Sorry that was such a complicated one.

993
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:30,560
Uh but are there any questions at this

994
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,400
point from the board members?

995
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,880
» The uh the front yard setback is

996
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:38,160
established by the adjacent property,

997
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,800
right? 60 foot is more than

998
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:46,320
» Um so not for primary structures. it's

999
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:48,720
established uh by the um how it was

1000
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,079
originally platted or there's some

1001
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,040
alternatives

1002
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:56,400
» Like adjacent parcels

1003
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,320
um and so forth. However, accessory

1004
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,880
structures, detached accessory

1005
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,760
structures have that specific call out

1006
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,960
that it has to be at least 60 ft from

1007
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,320
the front lot line or in the rear yard.

1008
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,480
So,

1009
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,359
» Okay. Okay. So that's that's part of the

1010
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,599
code. All right.

1011
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:18,000
» Yes.

1012
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:20,160
» If the height goes from 12 to 13,

1013
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,880
is the variance

1014
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,880
is it a different set of requirements

1015
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,240
variance at that point? Is it is there

1016
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,560
almost like two decision points here

1017
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,560
where it's like one is the height and

1018
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:34,000
then once we decide on the height then

1019
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:36,000
it's a different variance number.

1020
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,280
» Well, and so that's Peter and I were

1021
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,079
kind of talking here. I may have

1022
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,680
complicated it by

1023
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,280
I thought maybe a request would be

1024
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:47,119
needed for a variance in height. Um, but

1025
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,240
you're allowed to have a 13-ft tall

1026
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:52,320
garage. It's just it has to meet primary

1027
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:54,960
sideyard setbacks. So really what the

1028
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,920
request is here is a request for the

1029
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:01,920
sideyard setback of 4T as opposed to 10

1030
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:04,400
ft and then a request of the front yard

1031
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:10,880
um not meeting the 60 ft but rather that

1032
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:13,599
54T and uh 6 and 3/4 or 38 uh inch

1033
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,880
» To protect the magnolia.

1034
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,359
» Well, they'll be able to talk to you

1035
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,400
more about it, but

1036
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:16,880
» But that's a different commit

1037
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,000
» Essentially.

1038
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,280
» No, no, no. What I'm telling you is part

1039
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,960
of if it's part of the property and

1040
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,599
you're considering it for the purposes

1041
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,079
of of a hardship. Yeah, you can you can

1042
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,520
consider that. But we're not going to go

1043
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:31,079
about every tree on the property and see

1044
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,079
if we're saving it.

1045
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,280
» Spoken to someone who's lots of trees in

1046
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:40,400
their yard is not looking forward to

1047
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,040
fall. Okay.

1048
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,040
» Well,

1049
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,800
» Do does anyone have do we have any other

1050
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,000
questions for Mr. Way?

1051
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,079
» Okay. I have a question.

1052
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,240
» Yes. Go ahead. So, if it went if the

1053
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,760
height

1054
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:57,359
just play along with me for a second. If

1055
00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:02,079
the height goes down to 12,

1056
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:04,160
does that change the the variance at all

1057
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,599
for the sideyard? It changes the wording

1058
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,880
of it, but you still need the variance

1059
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,000
for the sideyard.

1060
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:13,040
» It would change the wording of the

1061
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,480
sideyard and how much of a variance

1062
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,000
they're getting. Okay, that's

1063
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,319
» It would be a one foot variance at that

1064
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,960
point.

1065
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:18,640
» Exactly. Yeah.

1066
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,480
» Okay, I'm with you now. Thank you.

1067
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,240
» Uh and so I do have a question. I know

1068
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,599
we've got some drawings here. I'm I'm

1069
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:27,599
looking at the proposed garage. Is it It

1070
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:30,640
looks like it extends in front of the

1071
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:32,720
the front uh of the house. Is that

1072
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,760
accurate? It would that the garage would

1073
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,480
actually be in front of the house?

1074
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,760
» Yeah.

1075
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,760
» But not by very much, right?

1076
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,319
Okay.

1077
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:46,640
We've dealt with that before as a board.

1078
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:51,240
Can

1079
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,240
» Can we go back to the site plan?

1080
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,640
» This one? Yeah,

1081
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,960
that one.

1082
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,599
So yeah, it's slightly ahead of the main

1083
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,680
body of the house, but behind much of

1084
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:10,240
the porch is that a

1085
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,640
» Which isn't the front of the house is

1086
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:14,000
the is the line that the M is

1087
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,160
» Right.

1088
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:21,280
» Yeah. I mean, part of me just wondered

1089
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,280
does it want to push back to a line?

1090
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,880
» Well, that's that's a question for the

1091
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,560
» There's

1092
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,319
right behind.

1093
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:36,280
Any other questions for Mr.

1094
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:36,280
» Winclair to clarify the exist?

1095
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
» Yeah.

1096
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,800
» All right. What's the question?

1097
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,800
» Where does

1098
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:57,680
» It's already 55 ft past about front of

1099
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,160
the home.

1100
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,240
» Let's see. Yeah, that's the foundry.

1101
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:07,040
» It says 55.4

1102
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:10,040
on well that 55.4 on the uh the property

1103
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,040
survey.

1104
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:19,200
» So it is kind of almost

1105
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:21,200
» Being the current line.

1106
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:26,359
» Yeah.

1107
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,359
So it says on this. All right.

1108
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:33,160
I have questions but problem.

1109
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,160
» Any other questions for Mr. Winkler?

1110
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:40,160
» All right, we'll we'll leave Mr. Winkler

1111
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:44,079
for now. Who has uh who's

1112
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:47,400
» Here representing docket 2441?

1113
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,400
» Come on up.

1114
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,200
» Please raise your right hand. Do you

1115
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,400
solemnly swear that the testimony you're

1116
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,760
about to give is the truth, the whole

1117
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,480
truth, and nothing but the truth?

1118
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,760
» Yes.

1119
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,440
» Please state your name and then go

1120
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:02,800
ahead. I'm officially Marilyn Dietrich.

1121
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Uh it's it's I'm happy to be here

1122
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:11,520
tonight. Uh so I am the owner and the

1123
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:14,560
occupant owner since uh 36 years now of

1124
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,520
this property. What I'd like to mention

1125
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:20,000
is this is garage is part two of a

1126
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,240
four-part process. So, one was the

1127
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,560
fabulous small edition that was put on

1128
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:27,440
two years ago that that picture showing

1129
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,599
the porta potty. Where did you get that?

1130
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,319
Anyway,

1131
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:34,319
and then the garage. Three is the

1132
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:38,240
driveway. And then four will be the

1133
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:40,640
fabulous landscaping, the trees.

1134
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:43,040
So, this project is to replace an

1135
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,800
accessory structure that was converted

1136
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,599
to fit a vehicle at an unknown time with

1137
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,079
a new detached garage built to modern

1138
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:54,079
standards.

1139
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:56,400
One thing that's important is the storm

1140
00:45:54,079 --> 00:46:00,000
water management. Um, you don't have a

1141
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:03,760
slide, but I have provided with Evan um

1142
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,319
that Michael Blaze drawings of when my

1143
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:09,359
house was done. I have a lovely flow

1144
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:12,800
well in the back on. So from the garage

1145
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:15,040
if you go north and jog in the back

1146
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,480
corner on the northwest corner is where

1147
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,400
my flow well is. So all that uh

1148
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,720
rainwater will and gutter will be

1149
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:28,160
discharged back to that flow well.

1150
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:31,440
I also have a letter from the budding

1151
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,680
property owners at 166 Southgore.

1152
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:38,400
They're the ones with the pool to the

1153
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:41,200
west approving the improve approving my

1154
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,119
improvements to my property.

1155
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,640
They will have ample room for any

1156
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:48,160
maintenance or repairs on their

1157
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:52,400
property. So, I had provided a picture

1158
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:54,319
um but it shows me standing literally

1159
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,560
at their garage. There's plenty of room.

1160
00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:00,560
You can literally touch their uh uh down

1161
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,560
uh gutter and it's so it's easy. There's

1162
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,359
no impeding

1163
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,839
my garage would not impede them at all.

1164
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:09,599
Uh demolition has been administratively

1165
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:12,880
approved

1166
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,960
and the previous docket was talking

1167
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,960
about aging in place. So obviously I'm

1168
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:21,520
doing the same thing by uh having the

1169
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,960
first floor project. I've got the

1170
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:28,400
laundry on the first floor, ADA approved

1171
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:31,040
bathroom and and uh ground level

1172
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:34,000
entrance in the back on well on the side

1173
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,720
actually. So this garage project will

1174
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,200
ensure that as I age there will be a

1175
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:42,240
functional garage allowing for

1176
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,640
comfortable ingress, egress and safe

1177
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:47,280
indoor parking especially during the

1178
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:50,079
inclement St. Louis weather. the

1179
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,800
walkway. That's where that one foot

1180
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:55,440
comes in from. Instead of it being five,

1181
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,560
if it's four, that gives me that extra

1182
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:01,440
foot between my fabulous front porch and

1183
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:05,680
the new garage. So, I have that three

1184
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:08,400
foot for the trash cans and that walker

1185
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,880
that I'll probably have someday.

1186
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,599
And let's see. So, I look forward to

1187
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,319
Coach House Garages building this

1188
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:19,200
wonderful garage. It'll be tasteful. It

1189
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:23,920
will enhance the streetscape and match

1190
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:26,920
the existing properties architect

1191
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,920
architecture.

1192
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,680
» So, this is basically just another

1193
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,359
onecar garage, correct?

1194
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,920
» Oh, yes.

1195
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:40,559
possibly a little bigger with some some

1196
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,200
storage and more storage. But um and

1197
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:46,559
then is there a reason that the garage

1198
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:50,720
is going to be 13t tall rather than the

1199
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:53,520
12 feet tall that the code would you

1200
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,440
know the the 13 foot tall that requires

1201
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,000
the larger variance?

1202
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,319
» May I defer that to to Robert Reed?

1203
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,319
» Sure. Let's let's get let's give give it

1204
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:03,839
a minute and see if there's if anyone

1205
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:05,359
else has any other questions for you

1206
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:07,359
before we make him come up.

1207
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:08,240
» Any other questions for uh

1208
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:10,720
» For the owner?

1209
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:13,040
» He we're talking about those inches uh

1210
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:14,000
that the garage is is drawn to be in

1211
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,119
front of and this may be another

1212
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,400
question. Um but uh is it possible to

1213
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,720
move back five inches,

1214
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,359
» Right? So that it is in line with or

1215
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:25,359
behind the main structure.

1216
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:29,200
» I could do five inches. I don't want to

1217
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:30,079
do five feet because of my tulip magn

1218
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,280
which which would put you and I

1219
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,000
understand that the request is to keep

1220
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,680
the magnolia alive. My my my question is

1221
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,280
based on I'm I apologize I'm doing a

1222
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,440
little bit of research now but we have

1223
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,280
additional code sections that uh forbid

1224
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,960
a garage from being built a detached

1225
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,960
garage from being built in front of a

1226
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,400
main structure. Um which is not

1227
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,000
something we're talking about officially

1228
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,280
yet tonight but it would be need to be

1229
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,200
something we need to discuss if it's

1230
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,880
going to prohibit it. Um, if we're just

1231
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,400
talking about five inches there, is it

1232
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,440
possible or a couple of inches, is it

1233
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,240
possible to move it back?

1234
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,640
» That's doable. If the if the board was

1235
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,880
was if it was acceptable to the board to

1236
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,839
give you the the front yard setback, but

1237
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,160
not but not that five five inches to so

1238
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:10,319
that whatever the front yard setback of

1239
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,599
the garage would be, it would be line up

1240
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:12,240
with the existing house. Is that what

1241
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,480
you're suggesting?

1242
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:16,000
» That's what I'm asking. Or at least in

1243
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,160
line with it or behind it.

1244
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,720
» Right.

1245
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,280
» Yes, it's doable. Anyone else have any

1246
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,480
questions?

1247
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,920
» That's a great question.

1248
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,520
» Right.

1249
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,079
» Okay. Uh why don't you have your

1250
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,319
contractor or or the person who can

1251
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,040
answer those questions?

1252
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,400
» Good evening.

1253
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,720
» Would you please raise your right hand?

1254
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,400
» Yes.

1255
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,680
» Do you solemnly swear that the testimony

1256
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,280
you're about to give is the truth, the

1257
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,839
whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

1258
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,280
» Yes.

1259
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:39,760
» And please state your name and then go

1260
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,359
ahead.

1261
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,760
» Robert Reeb Jr.

1262
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:44,400
» Reeb.

1263
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,000
» Uh I'm a 74 year old old contractor,

1264
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,520
retired. I'm a good good friend of

1265
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,079
Mary's. Uh I'm here to speak about uh I

1266
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,800
can I know it was confusing when Evan

1267
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:57,040
was speaking to you all and I could

1268
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,079
understand because of my experience how

1269
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:02,240
confusing that was. So that being said,

1270
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:06,079
I'd like to maybe speak to the hardship

1271
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:07,599
first. The situation that's

1272
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,440
not generally prevalent in the

1273
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:12,319
neighborhood is a lot that has a

1274
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,920
substandard lot size and a sub and an

1275
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:18,400
unusual shape. The location of the lot

1276
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,720
is two lots in a row that are both

1277
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,000
shaped like that opposing

1278
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,040
» In a row and they're against the

1279
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,359
neighbor and they're against the

1280
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,559
neighbors in the rear too. Uh they're

1281
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:30,240
both on swan between Elm and Gore. It

1282
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,240
appears that when the homes were built

1283
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:34,400
over a hundred years ago, the builder

1284
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,800
probably came down Elm, built the

1285
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,800
corner, built the corner, figured out

1286
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,800
what we're going to do with the fillin,

1287
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,440
and that's how they got divided in this

1288
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,440
odd shape with that dog leg in there.

1289
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,440
Um,

1290
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,720
» Oh, the shaker. It was Well, there they

1291
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,440
are. See, both of those properties

1292
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:00,800
» Oh, yeah.

1293
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,640
» Are not conducive to having the typical

1294
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,960
driveway along the side of the house,

1295
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,119
garage in the rear, because you can't

1296
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,680
get the driveway on the side of the

1297
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:12,800
house. on her house, the one that's

1298
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:15,040
highlighted on the right hand side or

1299
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,800
towards Elm.

1300
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,880
It's not depicted here because there's

1301
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:24,000
no survey on the house next to her, but

1302
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:27,040
the house to the east has an addition

1303
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,720
that was put on many years ago and it's

1304
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:33,119
30 in from property line. So, it's quite

1305
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:35,520
close. So, a driveway on the right side

1306
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:37,440
is completely impossible.

1307
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,440
Okay, she's not upset with the

1308
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,640
encroachment. She loves her neighbor.

1309
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,240
Okay. And u So that's not even anything

1310
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,760
that we need to discuss.

1311
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,640
» You can't fix it.

1312
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,800
» The other the other aspects of the lot

1313
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:54,480
in regarding the setback from the street

1314
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:56,640
to all of you. Um

1315
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,319
the setback being about a 5 in

1316
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,040
difference from the house and being that

1317
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:03,680
the code was 5 foot and being that the

1318
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,240
house is 5 foot off the code as it would

1319
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:09,119
be for a modern structure. I don't know

1320
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:11,680
why pushing it back 5 in could satisfy a

1321
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:14,800
need of anything to anyone. But if

1322
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,079
that's what what it takes to agree she's

1323
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,680
agreeable to that. Uh it ju it seems you

1324
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:21,520
know

1325
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,160
it it doesn't have a great impact on

1326
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:28,559
anything negative or positive. So it's

1327
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:31,040
okay. Um exceptional to the shape of the

1328
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:33,040
piece of property is the property shape

1329
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,760
has that jog in the rear creating the

1330
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:38,720
reduced lot width which doesn't allow

1331
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,520
for the driveway to be in the rear. Um

1332
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:44,640
the 8-ft setback on the sideyard to the

1333
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:47,760
neighbor's side is is there, but there's

1334
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,000
a 30-in encroachment to the property

1335
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:54,280
line that would make the driveway very

1336
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,280
tight getting around her house.

1337
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,920
taking into account all those facts. Um,

1338
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,160
and considering that that height was

1339
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,720
part of the variation, we've got I've

1340
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,240
discussed setback on the height of the

1341
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:14,079
structure. And I'm going to hold this

1342
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:17,280
up. This currently is 13 ft from the

1343
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:21,760
ground to the ridge. And it's 13 ft

1344
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:24,800
because it's 16 ft wide with a 412

1345
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,280
pitch. And that means every foot of

1346
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:32,480
horizontal dimension, the roof goes up 4

1347
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:34,880
in. Um, as a contractor or a roofer, as

1348
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,160
a minimum, we like a 412 pitch because

1349
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,760
it drains water and it's an easy walk.

1350
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,000
But if it were too high, and that would

1351
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,839
have been the sticking point that could

1352
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,640
be adjusted.

1353
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:48,559
The reason she wants the garage is as

1354
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,880
you spoke, it's just a single garage

1355
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:53,440
even still because it's not wide enough

1356
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,440
for two cars and it never will be. But

1357
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:01,520
the current one is not wide enough for

1358
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:03,520
one car of a modern car. Uh so the uh

1359
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:07,280
the height

1360
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:10,880
is is the one issue at 13 ft. uh the

1361
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:15,040
garage that it sits next to

1362
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:19,200
backs up to it and is probably 3 ft over

1363
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:21,440
it and that's recessed into the ground.

1364
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,000
These garages will sit side by side.

1365
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,640
That's their garage. This gutter line

1366
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,440
when you walk up to this garage between

1367
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:32,240
the setback of 5 foot and the setback of

1368
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:35,119
hers which is at 5 foot now there's the

1369
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,359
gutter. So it's easy to clean, easy to

1370
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,440
paint. You wouldn't need an extension c

1371
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:41,280
or extension ladder to get up there.

1372
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,599
There wouldn't be any maintenance issues

1373
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:49,520
created by the side setback of one foot

1374
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:52,480
variation or var uh variance wouldn't

1375
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:55,119
impact that. The neighbor

1376
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,799
to that side doesn't use that for

1377
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:59,520
entertaining or anything. All that would

1378
00:55:56,799 --> 00:56:02,079
be is a landscaped area uh between two

1379
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:05,359
garages. So you'd have garage side

1380
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,440
facing garage side. Uh there's no public

1381
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:12,400
space, no personal private space, no

1382
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:16,319
patio space. Uh so if she's granted the

1383
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:18,640
one foot side variation

1384
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:21,040
and if the 13 height and the step back

1385
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,200
from the front is okay, the one foot on

1386
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,839
the side variation

1387
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,720
improves her accessibility from the

1388
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:31,520
front sidewalk or the driveway to get

1389
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:34,640
between the house that has that screen

1390
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:38,319
porch on it or that porch and and the

1391
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:40,799
garage. If we had to have it one foot

1392
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:43,599
less than if it was one foot the other

1393
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:45,839
way, it's only a two foot 10 inch width

1394
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:48,079
to walk through with a trash can or two

1395
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:52,000
bags or whatever. So, we're asking that

1396
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:55,760
if the 1 ft variance on the side

1397
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,359
uh setback could be reduced to 4T.

1398
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,200
There's no house there. There's no

1399
00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:01,520
living people there. There's a house

1400
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,680
here, but there's it's a garage and that

1401
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:07,119
house has been added on to too. So, the

1402
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,040
reason she would like that is her

1403
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:11,359
addition that Michael Blae put on and

1404
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,599
she finished and completed last year to

1405
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:17,040
the rear has a ground level entrance and

1406
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:20,160
is set up for ADA on the first floor and

1407
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:22,400
this would get her in.

1408
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,640
» She's never had her car in the garage.

1409
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,480
She scrapes ice and she's having hip

1410
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,559
issues already. So, um have I covered

1411
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:34,640
it?

1412
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:36,319
But basically, you're saying that though

1413
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,079
you don't understand why we're asking

1414
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:40,000
for the garage to be set back five

1415
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,119
inches that you don't believe that would

1416
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,440
be an issue.

1417
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:45,200
» Well, the house is already in non- in

1418
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,240
compliance. That's what I said. We

1419
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,319
» But but what Mr. Bunreger is saying is

1420
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,079
that he believes that the code requires

1421
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:55,200
that the garage be set back at least as

1422
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:57,119
far as the house.

1423
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,799
» That's fine. The difference is probably

1424
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,400
five and a half inches or six.

1425
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:02,160
» That's right. Nobody gets hurt with five

1426
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,319
or six inches.

1427
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:09,440
» And then and then the issue of the uh

1428
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:11,280
» Of the garage height,

1429
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,000
» The height was determined by the width

1430
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,799
of the garage and the roof pitch.

1431
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:20,319
» And the reason the garage has a 9 foot1

1432
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:22,880
wall height or plate to plate is because

1433
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:25,680
we have to have room for an operator

1434
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,760
overhead to open the door. And it's very

1435
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,960
tight at that. that that's cranked down

1436
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:33,359
as low as we can get it.

1437
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,559
» I'm just curious and maybe this is a

1438
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:35,599
question for staff.

1439
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:38,319
» Yeah,

1440
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:40,400
» If I maybe this is out of order, but in

1441
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:42,160
terms of how the zoning code measures

1442
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,240
the height of buildings, is it really to

1443
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:47,040
the ridge line or is it to the midpoint

1444
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,240
of the roof slope uh in relation to the

1445
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,400
average grade?

1446
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:54,280
» It is the ridge line, the highest point

1447
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,280
from grade to highest point.

1448
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,440
got that contract for somebody to

1449
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,079
rewrite the zoning ordinance yet?

1450
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,559
» We do actually. They just delivered uh

1451
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,280
» Diagnostics for us. So staff are working

1452
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:10,319
through those right now.

1453
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,079
» So if the garage were slightly narrower,

1454
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:15,200
can you still keep the pitch that you

1455
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:17,440
want on the roof with a 12T ridge line?

1456
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,319
» Yes, sir. You could. Or the garage pitch

1457
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,040
could be changed.

1458
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:21,520
» Right.

1459
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,319
» Mhm. So you could but if you wanted that

1460
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,760
pitch real bad if you I think she'd

1461
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:26,240
rather have the width

1462
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,559
» Fair

1463
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,640
» And and and the width with the one foot

1464
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:32,480
variance and we take the root pitch and

1465
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,720
turn it into a 3 and 12.

1466
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,119
» Right. And and

1467
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,040
I defer to you know to a builder into

1468
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:40,960
what she needs to get the car and the

1469
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,280
the vehicle to the width of the garage.

1470
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,079
I

1471
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,359
» That's what she needs.

1472
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,640
» I wouldn't mandate that.

1473
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:46,480
» She needs to get out of the car.

1474
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,359
» Okay. So there's a way to do that to

1475
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,520
accomplish

1476
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:51,440
» Yeah. Okay. I I would rather sacrifice

1477
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,839
roof pitch over width. That's what I

1478
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,400
think. Absolutely. Yes. Thank you.

1479
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:59,119
Because going to be wide enough for her

1480
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:02,160
to get out of the car on the driver's

1481
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:04,640
side, walk around the front of the front

1482
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,799
and go out through the man door to get

1483
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,079
into the to the access in the house.

1484
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:10,319
That's at grade.

1485
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:13,200
» It is, Miss Alberg, because the garage

1486
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:14,799
door that you see is 12 foot wide. A

1487
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,720
normal one is nine.

1488
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:17,440
» Okay. So, she's got ample

1489
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,440
» Space to

1490
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,440
» Yes.

1491
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,040
» I'd like to have that.

1492
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,079
» Anyone else have any questions?

1493
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,839
» I do not.

1494
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:29,440
» I have a question. All right. Go ahead.

1495
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:33,599
Oh. Oh, for question for staff or

1496
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:36,880
» Staff. Yeah. Okay. Um the say this gets

1497
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:40,000
approved as um does the building

1498
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:42,640
department look at the um wall

1499
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,760
construction between the two properties

1500
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,680
for fire

1501
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,200
» Fire codes? Right. Because

1502
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,880
» Yeah. I mean, any structure would have

1503
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,440
to meet uh building code requirements.

1504
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,280
» Oh, yeah.

1505
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,559
» Thank you.

1506
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,200
» All right. I don't think we have any

1507
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,559
questions for you.

1508
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:59,040
» Okay. I don't hear Well, either.

1509
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:01,119
» Is there Thank you.

1510
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:04,720
» Else who would like to speak in favor of

1511
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:06,079
docket 2241.

1512
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,040
Is there anyone online?

1513
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,119
» Nobody's online.

1514
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,200
» No one's online. Is there anyone who'd

1515
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:16,839
like to speak in opposition or with

1516
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:16,839
concern for DACA 2441? Hearing

1517
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:24,640
none. Seeing none, um can we have a a

1518
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:28,799
we'll close the board discussion and

1519
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:30,480
move to um move to dis

1520
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:32,799
close the open discussion and move to

1521
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,599
board discussion. We have a motion

1522
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:37,359
regarding 2441. So we can start the

1523
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:40,000
discussion.

1524
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:41,839
» A motion that we approve the variance

1525
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,040
requests.

1526
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:44,319
» Second.

1527
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,480
» Good. Okay.

1528
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:49,480
» So,

1529
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,480
um,

1530
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:58,799
if we were going to consider this for

1531
01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:04,160
approval, I would like to to amend the

1532
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:06,640
motion and have the front yard set back

1533
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,839
that we would grant be consistent with

1534
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:12,000
the house existing house setback

1535
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:13,920
» Which is in the plans. uh that they're

1536
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,680
actually slightly different in the

1537
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,000
corners, but the closer corner to where

1538
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,160
that garage would be, the setback is

1539
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,240
55.3 ft.

1540
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:28,520
» Okay. Which would mean it it'd be a

1541
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:28,520
request for a variance of of 4.7 feet.

1542
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:36,000
» 4.7 in four feet and 710.

1543
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,400
» Right. Right. So So rather than doing

1544
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,240
fractions, I'm doing uh the

1545
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,839
» Decimal decimal. Oh, and that's and what

1546
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,680
you're saying is that would then put it

1547
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:47,839
in line with the front of the house.

1548
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:51,160
» That is the corner closest has a 55.3

1549
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:51,160
foot setback.

1550
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,240
» Where'd you get Yeah,

1551
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,319
» I would I would uh amend my motion to do

1552
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,200
that.

1553
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:03,760
» Okay.

1554
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:06,880
» Baker of the motion

1555
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:09,680
once we once we are clear on what that

1556
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,799
front setback is. The maker of the

1557
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:15,799
motion would like to amend his original

1558
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:15,799
motion.

1559
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,400
» That's support.

1560
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:35,240
» This is this is orange.

1561
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,240
» So we're not

1562
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,400
we talk about it was putting it with

1563
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,440
Okay.

1564
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,200
» So, now if you did, so you need a motion

1565
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,920
to amend, by the way, but we can talk

1566
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,599
about that. So, we're looking at uh is

1567
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:51,039
there a page number up there?

1568
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:53,599
» Sheet one of the of the um survey, which

1569
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:56,720
shows that the

1570
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:59,760
» The corner

1571
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:02,480
closest to the proposed garage is uh of

1572
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,520
the main structure is 55.3

1573
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,720
feet. Um, and so if that were what the

1574
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,240
board were interested in doing is

1575
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,640
granting a variance of it, then they

1576
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:14,640
would be allowed to build up to a 55.3.

1577
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,480
» That's what I think we're trying to say

1578
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,880
is that that's what we would want to do.

1579
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,880
» Would it be

1580
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:29,599
» I sure understand

1581
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,760
» The the property line is not parallel to

1582
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:35,520
the front of the house. That's why we're

1583
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:38,319
seeing differences in the setback. Would

1584
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:40,480
a cleaner motion be to align the

1585
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:43,200
elevation of the garage to that corner

1586
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,480
of the house

1587
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,799
» As far as the setback goes?

1588
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,079
» Yes.

1589
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:48,559
» Yeah. Because at that point, you you'd

1590
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:50,319
put that as the approval of the city is

1591
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:52,079
you can build up to that line.

1592
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,799
» So, we would up to the corner of the

1593
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,480
house that

1594
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:57,119
» That's at 55.3.

1595
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,680
» That's at 55.3.

1596
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,280
» Yes. Okay.

1597
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,319
push it back.

1598
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,000
» Is that is that

1599
01:05:02,319 --> 01:05:06,720
» You want to go one more in?

1600
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:09,440
» Is that adequate? Like that corner set

1601
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:12,480
back which is which is further back than

1602
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:16,400
the other side if we move to as long as

1603
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:18,240
it's uh par or right there or if the

1604
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,839
closest corner that that's out of it

1605
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,680
doesn't need to be because the other

1606
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:23,359
corner is is uh

1607
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,160
» It is a little

1608
01:05:23,359 --> 01:05:26,960
» The other corner is about four inches

1609
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,799
closer.

1610
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,880
» Yeah. Yeah. So it's just it's a yeah

1611
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:32,319
four inch difference. Yeah.

1612
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,640
» So I think you want I think you want to

1613
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:37,520
put it with the closest corner of the

1614
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:39,280
house and put it say okay then it's not

1615
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,200
exceeded the front of the house.

1616
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,559
» Yeah. I guess it makes it even easier

1617
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,319
because the one that's closest is

1618
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:46,559
actually further back.

1619
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:47,359
» Right. Correct. Right.

1620
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:50,920
» Right.

1621
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:50,920
» So the ideation

1622
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,079
we were dealing with a lawsuit that

1623
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:57,440
right now. So anyway.

1624
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:58,319
» Okay. So, Peter, how should John modify

1625
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,119
his motion?

1626
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:02,480
» Motion to amend the Before we do that,

1627
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,000
could we have a little more discussion

1628
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,760
because perhaps we might want to amend

1629
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,160
it to talk about the height of the

1630
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:11,839
structure as well. Perhaps we could do

1631
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:13,839
it all in one. Um, I would suggest also

1632
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:16,240
that we that it would it would be much

1633
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:18,640
easier for me to approve it if we were

1634
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:21,440
at the 12T to the to the top of the

1635
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:24,559
thing. I think it can work that way. Um

1636
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:27,200
it it makes it a little bit I to me it

1637
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:29,200
makes the side uh set the side set back

1638
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,039
a little more palatable. I I have been

1639
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,039
on the property. I snuck over there the

1640
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:35,760
other day. That's a real drop off to

1641
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:37,599
that garage. It's it's you have to see

1642
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:42,160
it. I mean it's like it's another world

1643
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:46,720
down there. Um, so the the setback to me

1644
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:48,720
um is is actually a minor concern to me

1645
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,760
given this the lay of the land and and

1646
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,599
again I think that's part of the

1647
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,359
hardship of the thing is that your

1648
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:55,920
property drops right off there. It

1649
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:57,599
there's no way to do a whole lot over

1650
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,079
there and and indeed it's very difficult

1651
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:02,160
even to walk around that it will be when

1652
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,839
it's the size of this garage. It's going

1653
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,079
to be hard to get between these two

1654
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:07,599
garages. That's not going to be a common

1655
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:09,200
path you're going to want to take. It's

1656
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:10,400
plenty of room for maintenance, but it's

1657
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:14,480
not going to be the way you want to drag

1658
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:17,039
your garbage can. Um, so I I think if if

1659
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,799
we could get the heights down and it

1660
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,559
would be much easier for me to

1661
01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:22,880
understand. I think we'd be much closer

1662
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:25,119
to being in compliance on a couple of

1663
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,359
fronts here that would make the variance

1664
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:29,200
we're giving

1665
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:30,960
less

1666
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,640
less of a variance, if you will. Well,

1667
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,240
should we consider the fact should we

1668
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,240
consider the fact of the scope of this

1669
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,559
board the fact that the next door

1670
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:41,440
neighbor's garage which will be just one

1671
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:43,440
foot is just one foot setback will be is

1672
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,760
already two feet taller than the

1673
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:48,640
proposed

1674
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,000
» You know and and does symmetry matter

1675
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,400
there

1676
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,319
» See I don't even I don't think that's

1677
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,839
» Exactly something that we really get

1678
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:58,240
into

1679
01:07:55,839 --> 01:08:00,480
uh

1680
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:03,280
I I can see it as a hardship

1681
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,559
But I I think in terms of making

1682
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:08,559
judgments about um how it might look or

1683
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,200
how that's that's really not what we can

1684
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,960
do

1685
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,799
» And and we're not, you know, they've put

1686
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,400
forward a proposal right now. We're not

1687
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:16,159
determining anything about what's

1688
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,839
proposed, right? So all we're talking

1689
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:19,199
about is what the setbacks would be,

1690
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:20,799
right? They can take that back to the

1691
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:22,640
drawing board and do whatever they'd

1692
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:24,159
like as long as it meets the rest of the

1693
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,440
code.

1694
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:27,520
They could change the whole thing.

1695
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:30,000
Correct. So Randy, are you suggesting

1696
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,359
that um the

1697
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,560
» That

1698
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:34,640
» It would be 12

1699
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,600
» That we li if if the height of the

1700
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,480
garage to to the as stated by the city

1701
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:42,319
as required by the city were at 12T and

1702
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:44,480
we set this thing back to the front of

1703
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:48,239
the house the the corn that corner of

1704
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:49,920
the house then I think those amendments

1705
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:51,440
I would like to suggest that we make

1706
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,839
those amendments to the original

1707
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:55,839
proposal. So what you would be asking

1708
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:57,759
for is instead of what they're asking

1709
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:59,839
for is a six foot variance, you'd be

1710
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:00,640
amending that to be to be approving a

1711
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:02,960
one foot variance.

1712
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,600
» One foot varian down to a one foot

1713
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,359
variance.

1714
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,560
» They could be if they built a 12ft

1715
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:09,199
structure instead of a 13.

1716
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,520
» It's a one foot variance on the side and

1717
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:15,199
we're asking it to go back to the uh

1718
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:18,640
consistent with the corner of the house.

1719
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:19,679
So, as the maker of the motion,

1720
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:23,880
» Does that

1721
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:23,880
» You always look to the left?

1722
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,199
» Are you looking to amend your

1723
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:29,199
» I'm willing

1724
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:31,679
close board discussion with close uh

1725
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:36,960
public discussion. I'm I would be

1726
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:42,080
willing to amend my motion uh to allow a

1727
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:46,480
front yard setback that aligns with

1728
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:51,279
uh the corner of the house that's 55.3

1729
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:54,080
uh and uh stays within a 12T height

1730
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:58,880
limit so that the sideyard variance

1731
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,880
request is only one foot or

1732
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,280
Jennifer, do you uh want to second that

1733
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,920
amended motion?

1734
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:08,880
» I second it.

1735
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:10,640
» So

1736
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,679
protocol, do we need to do anything with

1737
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,440
the first motion?

1738
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:16,640
» Nope. We've we've been

1739
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:18,000
» On the amendment to the to the motion a

1740
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,480
voice vote would be fine.

1741
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,800
» Okay. Is everyone okay with the

1742
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:24,320
amendment? This is not voting on the

1743
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,600
variance yet. This is voting on the

1744
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:31,600
amendment. So the proposal is the front

1745
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:33,199
yard shall align the the garage front

1746
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,360
setback shall align with the corner of

1747
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:37,679
the house closest to it and the garage

1748
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,280
shall not be more than 12 feet in height

1749
01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:41,600
requiring a one foot

1750
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:44,239
» Which so that's not the the the actual

1751
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:46,880
the motion itself is is to uh allow a

1752
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:49,440
4.7 foot setback from the front yard

1753
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,920
required setback and a one foot uh

1754
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:54,000
excuse me a 4.7 foot variance from the

1755
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,840
front yard setback and a one foot

1756
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,400
variance from the sideyard setback. That

1757
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,239
was the motion.

1758
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,360
» And and to comply with that, they're

1759
01:10:58,239 --> 01:10:59,760
going to have to come down.

1760
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,960
» Right.

1761
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,640
» Right. Okay.

1762
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,480
» Unless they get more creative.

1763
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,880
» Do we need to vote on a voice vote on

1764
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,159
that?

1765
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,920
» If Yeah, just on that motion.

1766
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:11,120
» Just on the amendment. So, all in favor

1767
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:13,920
of the amended motion

1768
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,120
amendment to the to the approval motion,

1769
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:20,159
please say I. I.

1770
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:22,400
» I. All opposed. Okay. So now do we we

1771
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:28,080
have this? So what we have before us is

1772
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:31,840
a is a motion to grant the variance

1773
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:35,199
for the front yard of 4.7 foot variance

1774
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:37,679
and a one foot variance for the garage.

1775
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:39,760
Do we have any discussion on this? I

1776
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:41,280
think that we do have the hardship of

1777
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:46,480
the irregular shape.

1778
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:49,120
» Yes. And we have the hardship of um the

1779
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:51,520
placement of the house

1780
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:53,280
» And the you know you can't really put a

1781
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,920
garage in the back because you can't get

1782
01:11:53,280 --> 01:12:00,880
to it really given the odd shape of the

1783
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:03,760
lot and the fact that the lot does not

1784
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,600
meet the required size for the 15,000

1785
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,600
square foot zoning district that it's

1786
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,199
in.

1787
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,000
» Agree. notices.

1788
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:16,880
» I think I think that's a great summary.

1789
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:18,800
» Okay. So, all in favor of the motion as

1790
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,080
stated, please say I.

1791
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,920
» I.

1792
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,600
» All opposed?

1793
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,920
Randy, would you please pull the board?

1794
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,400
» I will. Debbie Surn,

1795
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,199
» I.

1796
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,600
» John Bur,

1797
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,640
» I.

1798
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,120
» Jennifer Gates,

1799
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,239
» I.

1800
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:34,000
» Randy Sprag, I Conrad Heber,

1801
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:37,199
» Your variance has been approved as

1802
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:39,040
amended. if you uh please see city staff

1803
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:41,760
during regular business hours for your

1804
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:43,040
next steps. Thank you very much.

1805
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,440
» And a question.

1806
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,640
» Sure.

1807
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:51,040
» I got confused the debate especially on

1808
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:53,120
the setback of of and going be in major

1809
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,480
hundreds of an inch and so forth, but

1810
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,280
it's just going to meet the corner of

1811
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,640
the house. Right.

1812
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,320
» That's right. It's going to meet the

1813
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:02,239
corner of the house and then

1814
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:04,159
» The garage is the garage

1815
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:06,000
if it meets the and and it meets the

1816
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:08,000
corner of the house is okay if it's less

1817
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,920
than 12 if it's 12 ft or high

1818
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,440
» And if you can limit it to 12 then the

1819
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,679
variance we give you on the side is much

1820
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:13,600
smaller

1821
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:15,440
» And and the one foot variance on the

1822
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,320
building line good.

1823
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,320
» Thank you all.

1824
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,080
» Thank you. A lot of fun watching you do

1825
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,080
your

1826
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,600
» Do we have any other business before

1827
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,800
this board tonight?

1828
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,760
» No additional business.

1829
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,840
Good evening all.

1830
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,840
» Do you know Thank you. Do you know if

1831
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:34,320
we're going to have a have have a

1832
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,239
meeting on the on October 8th?

1833
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,880
» Uh we might. It's not been confirmed

1834
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:37,840
yet.

1835
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,679
» Okay.

1836
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,239
» I will likely be absent for that

1837
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:43,520
meeting.

1838
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:47,320
» I may not be here for that one. It'll be

1839
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,320
close. We're leaving.

1840
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,320
» Oh, I'm like

1841
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,080
I

1842
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,400
» I'll send off the normal emails and you

1843
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,719
guys

1844
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,560
» I'm not sure yet. I made

1845
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:58,000
» Should be back in Colorado by then.

1846
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:01,280
» Okay.

1847
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,400
» Do we have a reason? Do we have a motion

1848
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,679
to adjurnn?

1849
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,640
» So move

1850
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:05,840
» And seconded.

1851
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,840
» All in favor?

1852
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,840
» I