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Order. And do I need a motion for that? No.

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Good. All right. And now I'll turn it over to

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the CAO to provide some opening remarks. Thank you, chair.

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So welcome to our first special general committee and council

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meeting of 2025. For the special council meeting. We have

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two public hearings pursuant to the Planning act. Both presentations

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will be followed by a staff report. For those viewing

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us online, the council meeting will begin at approximately 07:00

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p.m.. At the conclusion of the special general Committee. A

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presentation by Nagar College will kick off the council meeting

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followed by five reports by staff. So. Staff look forward

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to respectful and productive meeting. And an active year ahead.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Axiak. I call on the

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city clerk to make any additions or deletions. To the

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agenda through you chair. There are none. Thank you, Madam

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Clerk. Having reviewed the agenda. Does any member of council

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have a need to disclose a direct or indirect peuniary?

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Interest with respect to this evening's agenda. Seeing none here.

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And none online. We'll move on, then. Thank you. And

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the minutes of the General Committee meeting of October 22,

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2024. And December 10, 2024, have been distributed. May have

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a motion to approve these minutes. Councilor van Vleet, Councilor

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McLeod, all in favor? We have to vote on it.

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Voting is open.

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Councilors. Have you tried to vote yet? All right. Well,

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that passes. Yes, thank you.

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Yes. What's your point of order?

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Councilor McLeod is first. And then Councilor Demarca. I do

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see your arm up. As well. Okay? Thanks, Mr. Vice

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mayor, I voted on both those attempts on the minutes,

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and it's not registering for some reason. Furthermore, it's difficult

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to know who is in the meeting and who isn't.

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Thank you. Thank you, council. We are looking at some

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of these votes right now, so hold tight and. I

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will call on Councilor Demarco. Councilor. Yes. Thanks, Vice Mayor

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Moot. Yes. I vote as well. Okay, thank you. Okay.

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Thank you. So that carries with eight now. And we'll

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keep an eye on the voting machine, okay? Thank you,

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counsel. So now we will move over to the statutory

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public hearings pursuant to the Planning Act.

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Okay. There will be one public meeting held virtually and

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in person this evening in accordance with the Planning act.

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The public meeting this evening is to consider applications for

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official plan amendment a zoning bylaw amendment and a draft

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plan of subdivision. Will the director of plan. Planning and

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development services. Please explain the purpose of the meeting and

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detail the nature of the applications. The purpose of the

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meeting is to provide interested parties with an opportunity to

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provide input regarding the following applications for zoning bylaw Amendment

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2024, six official plan amendment OPA number 23, draft planner

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subdivision 2016. 1424. Submitted by upper candidate consultants on behalf

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of Ashton Homes Limited for Lands municipally known as 210.

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And 276 Quaker Road. The application for official plan amendment

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is intended to redesignate the lands from low density greenfield

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residential medium density Residential Environmental Conservation area and open space

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to low density residential medium density residential environmental conservation area

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and open space. The application for zoning bylaw amendment is

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intended to rezone the lands from. Agricultural. A one. And

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environmental conservation overlay EC, to cite specific low density residential

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two RL, two site specific residential medium density rm, environmental

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conservation overlay, EC, and open space. Os. The application for

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draft plan of subdivision is to create 292 blocks to

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facilitate a residential development comprised of 263 single detached dwellings

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and 76 townhost dwellings. The remainder of the Sideria. Is

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to be used for a zero point, 69 hectare park

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pedestrian walkway, stormwater management and environmental conservation Area. Thank you,

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Mr. Monday. Would you, the director of Planning and development

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services, please advise of the method and date by which

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the notice of meetings were given. Notice was published in

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the well in Tribune on November 20, 2024. Hard copy

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notices were delivered to owners on any lands within 120

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meters of the subject lands and notification signs were erected

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on the property. Thank you, Mr. Monday. If you wish

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to be notified of the decision of the city of

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Welland in respect of the proposed official plan amendment and

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zoning bylaw amendment, you must make a written request to

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the city of Welland at Devserve at Wellen, Ca. That's

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Devserv. At Welland, ca. First we will hear from the

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applicant and those supporting the proposal, followed by the presentations

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from those opposed to the proposal. The applicant will then

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be given an opportunity to respond. All those making presentations

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should make all comments through the chair. State their name,

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address, postal codes, and position so that we may record

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this information for future reference. Council will now hear from

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the applicant. Counsel will be then given the opportunity to

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ask questions of the applicant. Good evening and welcome to

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well and city council.

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We're just getting your presentation set up over here, and

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we'll let you guys. Have at it. Okay?

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All right, go ahead.

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Good evening, Mary and council. My name is Nicholas Godfrey,

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and I'm here with Will Highcoop. I'm a senior planner

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with Upper Canada consultants in Willa's planning. Manager with Upper

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Canada consultants. We're here on behalf of Ashton homes, and

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we're representing them, on behalf of snhomes, representing them to

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submit this special plan amendment. Zoning bile amendment and draft

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plan of subdivision. Broadly, the purpose of this application is

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to bring the zoning bylaw into alignment with the underlying

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land use designations. I'll give a broad overview of in

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detail of how that application the current application will achieve

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that. So the subject lands. The subject lands are approximately

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20 ha in area. With the developable area of 16.1,

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about 318 meters of frontage along Quaker road these lands

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are part of the Northwest Wellens secondary plan area. And

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to the north, our agricultural lands. To the east is

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a commercial corridor along Niagara street to the south as

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an established residential area consisting of low rise development. And

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to the west are areas that are slated for development

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and subject to other planning act applications. From a policy

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perspective, the subject lands are located within. The well end

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urban area and within the designated Greenfield area, per the

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Niagara official plan. They are designated as residential low, medium,

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dense, low and medium density residential open space and environmental

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conservation area in the city's secondary plans in northwest Wellland.

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Secondary plan. They're also zoned agriculture in the city's zoning

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bylaw. The subject lands are proposed to be developed as

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a draft plan of subdivision with a total of 339

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units consisting of 263 single attached dwelling lots, 76 street

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townhouses, a park, two blocks for. Service and corridor and

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multi use trails. One block for an environmental protection area

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and water course, two blocks for a stormwater management facility.

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Is in pond and one block for a widening along

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Quaker Road. The subdivision will have a dedicated access from

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Quaker Road through two new streets, one street on the

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east side and one on the west side. Connect to

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goodwilly drive. They'll be serviced by public roadway and public

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services. Two wet stormwater pond facilities are required to support

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the development and will be developed as part of the

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subdivision. The draft plan includes recreation. Excuse me? The Mic

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salon. The draft plan includes recreational trail connections to adjacent

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developments through topass. Drain. And the water course, which will

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provide pedestrian connection to the park and through to Niagara

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street. The subject lands, as mentioned, are within a designated

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greenfield area of the urban area boundary, and they're designated

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as residential low and medium density in part, open space

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in part, and an environmental conservation area, in part in

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the city's northwest well and secondary plan. The amendment is

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required due to the reconfiguration of the tow path drain

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water. Course, which was based upon the findings of the

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submitted eis by beacon and through a permit. That was

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obtained through the Niagara Peninsula Conservation Authority. The land uses

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are to remain the same. But the location of the

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open space, parklands and environmental conservation areas are being modified.

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So this image represents. The modifications that we're just bringing

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the underlying designations into alignment with the findings of the

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as and just cleaning up. The design. Designations. To then

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align. With. The tow path train. So the proposed zoning

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will bring the lands into conformity with the secondary plan.

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Designations and proposed adjustment to the water course. Otherwise, the

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existing agricultural zoning will be replaced by RL two shown

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in yellow for singles. The RM shown in orange, the

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OS zone for parkland in lake green and what the

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watercolor shown in dark green. The supporting studies

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that were submitted with his application include an archaeological assessment

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and environmental impact study. Annoys feasibility study a functional servicing

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report. A traffic impact assessment and environmental site assessment.

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So, in summary, the application broadly seeks to realign the

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underlying land use designations that are permitted in northwest Bowen's

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secondary plan to be in alignment with the Topaz train

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and Eis. And the official plan amendment, zoning bile amendment

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and draft plan of subdivision are to implement. These underlying

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land use designations to permit the construction of 339 dwelling

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units, which consist of 263 single attached dwelling lots, 76

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street townhouses, a park, two blocks for servicing corridor and

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multi use trails. One block for an environmental protection area,

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including the water course, two blocks for. Stormwater management facility

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and pond and a one block for widening long Quaker

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Road. In my opinion, the proposed development balances the accommodation

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of prescribed growth targets, improves housing choices and is an

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efficient use of urban lands with access to municipal services.

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As the proposed plan is within a secondary plan area,

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it is a warranted and encouraged place. For growth and

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development. Thank you for time this evening, and we're here

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to answer any questions you may have. Thank you, Mr.

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Godfrey. Council will now be given the opportunity to ask

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questions of the applicant council.

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Okay, we'll start off with councilor spec. Go ahead. Thank

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you very much, Mr. Vice. Mayor regarding looking at. The

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diagram that just went off of our screen. Where the

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road crosses. The wet area. That pretty much goes on

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a diagonal. What will happen with the asphalt? Is it

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a culvert. How is it crossing that watershed, Mr. Godfrey?

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If you don't mind, Mr. Chair, if I can take

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this one. Sure. Yeah. So we've gone through an NPCA

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permit process to understand the floodplain. Associated with that water

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course. And so as part of the floodplain assessment that

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we did we've sized a large box culvert that would

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be installed underneath that roadway and then. Your typical asphalt

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surface would go over top of that. So your services

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are underneath. You have your box culvert, and then you

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have your normal asphalt roadway on top. Councilor. Got any

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idea of how wide that is? I do have a

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specific diameter. I don't have that off the top of

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my head. But that's certainly something we can provide for

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you, councilor. And yes, familiar concrete box culvert paving over

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top. The MPCA has given their approval. On the amount

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of water that can flow under it. 100 year flood

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event and that sort of thing through you, Mr. Chair.

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Exactly. Yes. We had to calculate the 100 year floodplain

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elevation, and we had to size that box. Culvert to

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ensure that we accommodated that 100 year floodplain. Councilor. And

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just in case I missed it, this PowerPoint, this presentation.

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We have various diagrams. Obviously, they're not as colorful as

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what we see here. That was not included in our

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council packages, is that correct? I'm not sure. I can't

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speak to what you received in your package, but. This

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is something that we did submit with our application. Like.

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Through you to the clerk. We have this site plan.

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Appendix four. But not the PowerPoint. Which looks great. It's

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first time I've seen it on here. Or did I?

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Miss something. Madam Clerk through you, chair? No. The presentations

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were not included in the council packages. Councilor. All right.

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And going from that, and when you said, A park

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on site. I see the stormwater management ponds on either

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side of the floodplain. Also, there's the triangle area almost

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smack dab in the middle of this, is that. Where

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the park is. Mr. Haikoup? Yes, Mr. Chair. That's correct.

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We've placed the park alongside the water course. It allows

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for good opportunities to integrate any pedestrian connections along the

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drain into the park and enhance that recreational element associated

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with the drain. And any park facilities. Councilor. That sounds

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great. Are there any planned amenities that the developer is

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going to put into the park? Mr. Chair, that's generally

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something that the city's park department undertakes. So our park

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here is typically hydro seeded and soted off, and the

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city's staff decide what type of facilities they want to

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put. In that after the land gets transferred to the

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city, they start that planning is my understanding, councilor. I

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believe we've had, if I'm not mistaken, in the past,

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some developers may choose to. Maybe it adds to the

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saleability of the units there. In this case, the answer

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is they're not. It's basically prepp. Prepped for future amenities.

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At some point in the future. And both. The last

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comment is with that park centrally located and obviously. Within

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walking distance of the residence of the park. There is

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no vehicle parking for any other well and resident to

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utilize the park in the future. Just not incorporated in

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the site plan, is that correct? Yes, that's correct. That's

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something that typically would be undertaken as part of whether

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it's playground equipment or pavilion or those things. That parking

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lot would be determined through that design process. That staff

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would undertake, knowing my client, that he would be certainly

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willing to advance that and participate. Through the process. So

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if there's an opportunity. From that. My clients always like

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to chip in and try and advance those because, as

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you say, yes. It's a very nice marketing tool for

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the development. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Moving over

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to councilor green. Go ahead. Yeah. Thank you. Vice mayor,

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just a question. So. Councilor spec kind of got into

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a little bit with the channel. So the question I

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have is just regards to the channel that goes through

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the property. Is that being rehabilitated? And upgraded, and I

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just asked because. There is some definite flooding concerns downstream

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of that. So it's a question I've asked for any

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of the development kind of happening in this areas. Are

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we going to be making any upgrades that channel to

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help water flow and to better hold the water just

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because it all typically does. Flow towards the tow path

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drain. So can I get a comment on that? Go

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ahead. Certainly. The design process. Actually substantially widened that water

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course right now. I've walked the site several times and

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been through there. It changes in width. But 510 meters.

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The width of this channel here is over 30 meters.

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So it's deepening it, widening it. There'll be substantial plantings

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associated with it. And a full design package to ensure

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that all the vegetation and plantings are monitored and kept

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up to date and if any plants die, that they're

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replaced. So there's a whole permit package that we've received

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from the NBCA that allow us to undertake that. And

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so, really, I think. The big difference? With this exercise

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that we've gone through is provided an opportunity for all

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the upstream lands. To ultimately drain into this topath drain.

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And not result in downstream flooding. So that's why we

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took quite a substantial amount of time to advance that

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ahead after the secondary plan was completed, ahead of coming

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forward with these applications. We wanted to make sure that

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there wasn't going to be any negative impacts to anyone.

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Living in these communities upstream downst. Downstream or within them,

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councilor. Okay, thank you. That's the question I had. Thank

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you. Councilor Green, Councilor Saturam, go ahead. Thank you. Through

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you chair. Thank you to the presenters. Great to see

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a park in the water course there, creating, like a

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really nice, complete community. My other colleague. You've addressed the

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question around kind of the floodplain assessment for. The backyards

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because that's where I've been hearing it more so my

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two. Questions. Or at least maybe the first one. We'll

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see if the second one is necessary. Is around the

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streets and just having a better understanding of what's envisioned

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for the size. Of. The driveways. And the reason I'm

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in particular asking is more at the entryways. So at

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the top there on the left where we've got that

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kind of t to the intersection. Because in some of

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the other developments that I've seen in my ward that

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people have called me out for parking infractions. And safety

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issues. It's right at that juncture. Where people are parking

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on the street and then. They're maneuvering. And I know

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we cannot control human behavior, but we can attempt to.

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Engineer it out. So that's kind of the basis as

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to why I'm asking. That question because. I could envision

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this just in some of those t spots. Where we

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may have some friction there rather than if those areas

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had larger driveways and then further in. People were doing

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street parking. I'm not sure if. You're able to comment

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on that at this time, Mr. Godfrey? Mr. Haiku. Yeah.

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So the extent that I can comment. So, of course,

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we're at a draft plan. State. So detailed engineering design

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has not been completed at this point, but it's pretty

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typical. To have on street parking. So as you get

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into. Those approaches with the t intersections, it's pretty typical

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that you're not allowed to have on street parking within

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a 20 to 30 meters distance of that, so it's

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pretty typical that there would be no parking steins installed

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in those areas where there's not. Safety components for them.

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So that's something that, through the detailed design process, we've

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determined the appropriate location. For those no parking signs, and

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that's something that would then be installed through that process.

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Okay, great. And the second one for you, chair. Is

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again related to parking. And I didn't know this until.

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It caused some friction within the neighborhood, which I'm trying

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to avoid. Discord at the stage if we can, so.

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In the street parking. There's maybe more, but at least

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one where it can only fit the size of. A

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smart car, but when people look at it with their

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eyes, they think a vehicle can fit. There. But it

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doesn't meet the bylaw on the 1.5 on each side.

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Causing a bit of a safety issue for both neighbors

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when they come out. So I'm just kind of curious

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about that and just kind of. Go forward basis, flagging

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it to developers. So you're the first one that I've

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seen in the new year since the issue has been

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raised to me just around. For us being aware as

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counsel about that issue that it's something potentially preventative. It

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may not be, but I want to flag that as

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well. That whatever parking that we have designed for the

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street parking can fit something larger than a smart car.

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And then if it can't. Then maybe we have to

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consider something else to kind of avoid those neighborhood conflicts.

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Go ahead. So, generally speaking. As the world evolves and

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we're seeing. The housing type change to smaller product. There

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are creative solutions for how we can set up those

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driveway locations. So, for instance, instead of having the driveway

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on the right side of every lot. We can alternate

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those so you get a larger space or gap in

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between pairs of driveways, which then allows for those larger

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parking stalls. The way that. This graphic and concept plan

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shows. It individually. Based on the dimensions. Just doing some

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math. In my head, there would be just over 6

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meters. Which is a little bit bigger than or around

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the average kind of parking stall between the driveways. If

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they weren't paired. So that's certainly something that is usually

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dictated from a grading perspective. We try and put the

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driveway on the higher grade side. So that's something that

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we can look at through the detailed design that lands

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fairly flat. Out there. So there should be an opportunity

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to go beyond just the normal six meter. Length. And

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if someone has a large pickup truck, if we're pairing

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those driveways together, it gives better opportunity for some of

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those bigger vehicles. That. Are causing probably the issue. Okay.

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Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you, councilor.

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Turning it over to councilor Demarco now. Councilor. Yes, thank

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you. Go ahead. Yes, thank you, Vice Mayor Moot. Did

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I hear correctly about the drainage? Being connected to topath.

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Was that correct? Mr. JeRry yes, that's correct. There is

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an existing water course that goes through their property that

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is informally known as the topaz. Drain. So that existing

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water course is there now, and. What we've received approval

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from the NPCA to do is substantially improve that to

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ensure that there's no flooding issues associated with that drain.

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Thank you. For that response. The reason why I question

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it, that's probably. A good close to half mile away.

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If I'm correct. And you're saying. The npca.

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Has approved that and. Figuring that's going to work, basically.

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Yes, that's correct. That was certainly in our mind every

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requisite for understanding where we could build lots and houses.

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And our comfortability level with coming in with these applications

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was predicated on our ability to accommodate the necessary flooding

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controls and come up with a design that was going

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to accommodate that. The approach that we've taken was to

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ensure that. That is addressed early and upfront so that

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we're not going to move forward with the draft approval

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and get into the rest of the detailed design, only

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to take a step backwards. And have to accommodate that,

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so. We've taken a substantial amount of time. And significant

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cost to advance that, to ensure that this application in

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front of you doesn't. Have to be revised down the

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road, councilor. Yes. All right. Thank. Me. That's quite a

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distance away, and. At the bend at the end, the

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quaker. And topath. Currently now. There's green space there and

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there's a park close by. And. I have pictures. Of

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that. Area, which is also a proposed pathway. Is totally

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underwater. When we have. A good rainfall. So I hope

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that. Between tow path and this area. There's no further

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problems, because you got to understand, too. Partway down Quaker

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Road. On the south side. There is currently a proposal

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for development there as well. Anyways, my next question and

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my last question. Where will the entryways and exits? Be

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for this entire development? Will there just be? One going

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to Quaker Road. Go ahead. No, there'll be two. So

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that you can see on this image up on your

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screen, you can see. The two gray colors on the

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south side along Quaker Road. So there's a new proposed

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roadway. On the east side. That would connect into a

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t intersection at Quaker, and there's a second access that

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would. Connect in with the existing goodwilly drive and have

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a four way intersection there. There is also an allowance

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for a future connection to the north if the lands

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in the world were to ever develop. And there's also

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the allowance for a future connection. To the northwest, you

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can see on the top left a stub road there.

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So ultimately, This community will have four access points. Councilor.

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Okay? So. Yes, thank you. So. The one connecting straight

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through from goodwilly. And I understand that one. Now, where

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was the other? One off. Aquaker. I'm sorry. You're very

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distant and sound. Sorry about that. There's. A second roadway

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connection farther to the right hand side or the east.

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That would connect into Quaker Road. So those are two

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connections that could be made with this application. And then

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there's two connections, one to the north. The thorald for

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a future opportunity. And one to the northwest for future

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opportunities. Yeah. My concern. My main concern is. The two

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onto Quaker. So that one. Would look like it may

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be. Behind the current development. Behind. The

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current housing that is there now. Or still further west

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of that. Go ahead. The second location that you're referencing.

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Would be. There's the new townhouse site that was just

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constructed by centennial within the last couple of years, so

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it would just be slightly a little bit further to

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the west about. 100 meters, give or take. Okay. All

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right. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. And over to councilor

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McLeod. Thanks, Mr. Vice. Mayor through you. How many parking

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spots do you, on average, do you believe each dwelling

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will have. So each dwelling will have a parking spot

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in the driveway and in the garage. Councilor. That's my

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only question. Thank you. Okay, great. Seeing no further questions

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from council. We'll now hear from those in support of

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the applications. As a reminder, please state your name, address

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and postal code. And then council will be given the

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opportunity to ask questions of those in support. If any

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are here tonight. Through you chair. There are none online.

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Thank you. Seeing no one in support of the applications

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will now hear from those opposed to the applications again.

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A reminder. Please state your name, address. Postal code and

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council will be given the opportunity to ask questions of

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those opposed. Any online, madam? Clerk. There are none online.

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Okay. Seeing none from council. We would normally provide a

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final response from the applicant, but having no people here

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opposed or in favor. Will carry this on. So council

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will consider this matter right now with our report. And

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then we'll turn it over to. The next public hearing.

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Through you. Chair. So the item is item number 2.1.1.

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So application. For draft plan of subdivision for 210 276

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Quaker Road, and it's automatically removed from block. Thanks, Madam

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Clerk, I just want to also say this little preempt

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or note from the Planning act if a person or

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a public body would otherwise have the ability to appeal

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the decision. Of the city of well into the Ontario

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Land Tribunal, but the person or public body does not

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make oral submissions at a public meeting or make written

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submissions to the city of Welland. Before the bylaw is

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passed. The person or public body is not entitled to

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appeal the decision. And if a person or public body

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does not make oral submissions at a public meeting or

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written submissions to the city of Welland before the bylaw

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is passed, the person or public body may not be

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added as a party to the hearing of an appeal

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to the Ontario Land Tribunal. Unless, in the opinion of

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the tribunal, there are reasonable grounds to do so. All

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right, so now we're turning it over to the report.

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Councilor McLeod is first. Go ahead. Thanks, Mr. Vice. You

471
00:35:23,105 --> 00:35:29,944
have to move it. I'll move it. Second. I guess

472
00:35:29,944 --> 00:35:32,384
we don't need a secondary. Not in committee. All right.

473
00:35:32,384 --> 00:35:35,544
Thank you, councilor. Thank you through Mr. Vice mayor my

474
00:35:35,544 --> 00:35:38,624
question relates to the 3 meters of road widening are

475
00:35:38,624 --> 00:35:42,677
typical. Road allowance is 20 meters. Obviously, we're adding 3

476
00:35:42,677 --> 00:35:45,715
meters. What is the thinking behind this and why is

477
00:35:45,715 --> 00:35:50,102
it being asked for? Is that a Mr. Monday question?

478
00:35:50,102 --> 00:35:53,463
Okay, go ahead, Mr. Monday. Through.

479
00:35:59,267 --> 00:36:02,707
Chair. Can the councilor please explain the question again? Where

480
00:36:02,707 --> 00:36:05,587
is the road widening? They're talking about? Certainly so typically

481
00:36:05,587 --> 00:36:09,027
through you, Mr. Vice mayor. Typical road allowance is 20

482
00:36:09,027 --> 00:36:11,987
meters. This is asking for an additional 3 meters. I

483
00:36:11,987 --> 00:36:14,387
just wondered what is the rationale for asking for the

484
00:36:14,387 --> 00:36:19,219
additional 3 meters. Go ahead. Through you, chair. Well, the

485
00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:23,015
normal local road is 20 meters wide, and then. This

486
00:36:23,015 --> 00:36:28,347
is a collector arterial, so the road. Width is larger.

487
00:36:28,781 --> 00:36:31,221
Councilor, and that's the reason for it. Thank you so.

488
00:36:32,802 --> 00:36:34,482
Through you. Do you know then what the total road

489
00:36:34,482 --> 00:36:36,442
allowance is going to be with the addition? Of the

490
00:36:36,442 --> 00:36:42,469
3 meters. Mr. Monday, I believe it's 26. However, I

491
00:36:42,469 --> 00:36:45,309
believe Ms. Miller is online. She may be able to

492
00:36:45,309 --> 00:36:52,175
clarify. Ms. Miller, are you available? All right. We can't

493
00:36:52,175 --> 00:37:00,134
hear you, though. Ms. Miller, can you log off and

494
00:37:00,134 --> 00:37:06,979
log back in? We can't hear you. Can you hear

495
00:37:06,979 --> 00:37:11,299
me now? Yes, go ahead. Sorry, Mr. Chair. Sorry, chair.

496
00:37:16,155 --> 00:37:21,026
Through you. If the requested roll allowance width is 23

497
00:37:21,026 --> 00:37:26,218
meters, that is the final road width. The final road

498
00:37:26,218 --> 00:37:29,738
allowance width. I don't have the pavement width until we

499
00:37:29,738 --> 00:37:32,818
get full design. Councilor. Thank you. And through you. So

500
00:37:32,818 --> 00:37:37,498
that will help with sidewalks and road expansion as required.

501
00:37:37,498 --> 00:37:45,339
Moving forward. Ms miller. Yes, through you, chair. All those

502
00:37:45,339 --> 00:37:48,459
things will be considered within the 23 meters right away.

503
00:37:50,124 --> 00:37:55,044
Side leg, sidewalks, connectivity, curb and gutter, the whole nine

504
00:37:55,044 --> 00:37:59,004
yards. Thank you, councilor. Thank you. Provided that meets our

505
00:37:59,004 --> 00:38:03,185
future needs. I'm fine with that. Thank you, Councilor. Councilor

506
00:38:03,185 --> 00:38:08,028
Green. Yeah. Thank you. Through vice mayor. So with this.

507
00:38:10,365 --> 00:38:17,220
Application before us this evening. And then. We had a

508
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:26,197
previous public meeting for development. First avenue and quaker. Cross

509
00:38:26,197 --> 00:38:29,917
from Quake Road public school. So now that we're starting

510
00:38:29,917 --> 00:38:35,567
to fill in the pieces, a little bit. When we

511
00:38:35,567 --> 00:38:39,167
look at the urbanization of Quaker Road, which is obviously

512
00:38:39,167 --> 00:38:42,247
important for these, as we continue to build these developments.

513
00:38:44,534 --> 00:38:45,694
We're kind of trapping them in. We're not giving the

514
00:38:45,694 --> 00:38:49,694
residents an opportunity to walk anywhere because the road is

515
00:38:49,694 --> 00:38:53,381
not urbanized in terms of the timing of that. Are

516
00:38:53,381 --> 00:38:57,124
we looking? Is the road urbanization? For Quaker as we

517
00:38:57,124 --> 00:38:59,764
start to build out these developments, is that going to

518
00:38:59,764 --> 00:39:04,573
be occurring before these developments. Are constructed or is it

519
00:39:04,573 --> 00:39:08,915
going to occur after the fact? Just a question of

520
00:39:08,915 --> 00:39:14,973
timing, Ms. Miller. Through you, chair. Timing is the million

521
00:39:14,973 --> 00:39:19,428
dollar question. So we don't want to get ahead of

522
00:39:19,428 --> 00:39:23,388
the developments. So we are working very closely. With the

523
00:39:23,388 --> 00:39:31,521
development group. To. Align the urbanization. Of Quaker Road. As

524
00:39:31,521 --> 00:39:39,414
I've said many times before, The first step is. To.

525
00:39:40,696 --> 00:39:44,425
Set. A horizontal alignment through our preliminary design that we've

526
00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:51,096
received. Council's approval for budget wise for 2025. And then.

527
00:39:52,631 --> 00:39:58,338
As. We get these adjacent developments formalized, then we can

528
00:39:58,338 --> 00:40:02,930
start with the adding. The detailed design of all the

529
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:09,690
infrastructure that's required for said developments. Councilor. Okay, yeah. I

530
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:16,153
appreciate that. I would be concerned. If we started to

531
00:40:16,153 --> 00:40:21,456
occupy these developments without having Quaker Road up to. A

532
00:40:21,456 --> 00:40:24,656
different standard just for the safety of those residents. So

533
00:40:24,656 --> 00:40:29,105
that's my question. That's my comment. It's been well known

534
00:40:29,105 --> 00:40:31,185
in the past for some other development. So I'll leave

535
00:40:31,185 --> 00:40:34,945
it at that. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor Kyokyo.

536
00:40:36,569 --> 00:40:41,563
Thank you to Mr. Chair. I guess my question is

537
00:40:41,563 --> 00:40:45,443
too similar to Councilor Green is the road and we're

538
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:47,403
talking about? Well, we're going to do part of it.

539
00:40:47,403 --> 00:40:48,563
They're going to build and we're going to do another

540
00:40:48,563 --> 00:40:51,401
part. We've had to find out some kind of a

541
00:40:51,401 --> 00:40:55,601
cost. What's the cost to the city to complete this

542
00:40:55,601 --> 00:40:58,681
project. And what are we looking from a timeline for

543
00:40:58,681 --> 00:41:01,761
the years I mean, we saw today, and there are

544
00:41:01,761 --> 00:41:05,721
concerns. We saw today Niagara street fairground spotted by mountain.

545
00:41:05,721 --> 00:41:07,481
View home, so I'm sure there's going to be a

546
00:41:07,481 --> 00:41:10,669
development there. There's a grocery store going up on that

547
00:41:10,669 --> 00:41:16,165
street. And. There are serious questions of what it's going

548
00:41:16,165 --> 00:41:20,045
to cost the city to complete this road. And we

549
00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,445
need a number. I think that's important to the public.

550
00:41:22,445 --> 00:41:26,403
They want. To know where we're at and what it

551
00:41:26,403 --> 00:41:29,515
cost us, so. Have we come up with that number

552
00:41:29,515 --> 00:41:34,887
yet? So. I'll let Ms. Miller provide a quick response,

553
00:41:34,887 --> 00:41:38,487
but we're looking at a planning. Application. Several planning applications,

554
00:41:38,487 --> 00:41:40,607
not the development of a road. So, Ms. Miller, do

555
00:41:40,607 --> 00:41:44,606
you have a quick. Response on this one. Do you,

556
00:41:44,606 --> 00:41:46,846
chair? No, I don't. Well, through you, Mr. Chair. I

557
00:41:46,846 --> 00:41:50,046
mean, we're. Looking at development in the city of Wellland.

558
00:41:50,046 --> 00:41:52,886
We're looking at urbanizing that road. We're looking at making

559
00:41:52,886 --> 00:41:56,615
bigger. Actually, we're looking at an official plan amendment. We

560
00:41:56,615 --> 00:41:59,582
want to prove the amendment. To give them the go

561
00:41:59,582 --> 00:42:01,262
ahead, and then we're going to ask the taxpayer down

562
00:42:01,262 --> 00:42:04,302
the road to cough up the money to finish off

563
00:42:04,302 --> 00:42:07,622
the road. I mean, there's got to. Be some numbers

564
00:42:07,622 --> 00:42:10,022
calculated with this. And where do we get the money

565
00:42:10,022 --> 00:42:12,422
but we're staying. On agenda. And the agenda item right

566
00:42:12,422 --> 00:42:14,902
now is the official plan amendment and the zoning bylaw.

567
00:42:14,902 --> 00:42:18,660
Amendment. And you want us to support it. Obviously the

568
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:22,015
developer wants us to support it. And I'm here struggling

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00:42:22,015 --> 00:42:24,735
with that. But that's a different agenda item for a

570
00:42:24,735 --> 00:42:27,415
different day right now, councilor, I'm telling you, look at

571
00:42:27,415 --> 00:42:30,895
the agenda. Where does it say, development or upgrade of

572
00:42:30,895 --> 00:42:33,095
the road from a rural standard to an urban standard.

573
00:42:33,095 --> 00:42:35,375
Where does it say that in here. No worries. But

574
00:42:35,375 --> 00:42:38,028
at what point? That's the point. So I guess through

575
00:42:38,028 --> 00:42:40,468
you, at what point do we get those numbers? Down

576
00:42:40,468 --> 00:42:43,038
the road a year from now. When is that going

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00:42:43,038 --> 00:42:44,798
to happen? Staff says they don't have it at this

578
00:42:44,798 --> 00:42:47,872
time. You can. I'm asking you to ask staff. I'm

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00:42:47,872 --> 00:42:50,893
sorry. And Miss Miller's already responded. She doesn't have that

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00:42:50,893 --> 00:42:53,293
number right now, so you. Could email her tomorrow and

581
00:42:53,293 --> 00:42:57,848
we could talk about it offline. Okay. Believe it at

582
00:42:57,848 --> 00:43:07,101
that. Okay. Thank you. Councilor Falkins. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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00:43:10,264 --> 00:43:13,264
Through you, I believe to Mr. Brand. It mentions in

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00:43:13,264 --> 00:43:18,746
here about there was enhancing mobility. By improving access to

585
00:43:18,746 --> 00:43:22,146
recreation and community events and stuff. So I'm just wondering,

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00:43:22,146 --> 00:43:25,585
in our official plan. When we have such a large.

587
00:43:27,097 --> 00:43:36,033
Development going on. Is there any requirements for accessible units?

588
00:43:36,033 --> 00:43:41,243
I know. There's a demand for them. Might not be

589
00:43:41,243 --> 00:43:43,963
that large, but for those who need accessible. Units. It's

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00:43:43,963 --> 00:43:48,310
very important. So I'm just wondering, do we have anything

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00:43:48,310 --> 00:43:52,456
in our plan that would address. Building some accessible units.

592
00:43:54,493 --> 00:44:00,435
When we're building such a large. Mr. Monday large. Three

593
00:44:00,435 --> 00:44:04,994
chair. No, that's not something that we can require. The

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00:44:04,994 --> 00:44:07,914
building of the dwellings is dictated by the building code,

595
00:44:07,914 --> 00:44:11,694
but my guess. And the developer can confirm is that

596
00:44:11,694 --> 00:44:13,334
if you went to the sales center to look at

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00:44:13,334 --> 00:44:18,186
a unit. You could ask them. To make it accessible.

598
00:44:18,186 --> 00:44:20,186
I'm sure there would be a cost to it, but

599
00:44:20,186 --> 00:44:21,986
the same. As if you want to have granite countertops

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00:44:21,986 --> 00:44:27,711
versus linoleum or. You can have that built, I'm sure,

601
00:44:27,711 --> 00:44:31,180
but I would leave that to developer to confirm. Councilor

602
00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:35,893
Falcons. Okay, thank you. That was my only question. Okay.

603
00:44:35,893 --> 00:44:42,554
Thank you, councilor. Seeing no further questions from council. I

604
00:44:42,554 --> 00:44:45,634
will now place a vote to receive this for information.

605
00:44:50,648 --> 00:44:54,917
Do I have a mover? Oh, McLeod was there. Yeah,

606
00:44:54,917 --> 00:44:56,397
go ahead. Voting is open.

607
00:45:08,884 --> 00:45:12,889
Okay, Carrie. Thank you, council. All right, so now we're

608
00:45:12,889 --> 00:45:20,497
moving on to. The second. Sorry. I'm getting my notes

609
00:45:20,497 --> 00:45:24,840
here. So the second application for a zoning bylaw amendment.

610
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,200
All right, so thank you. Yes, we're moving on to

611
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,800
the second application tonight for a zoning bylaw amendment made

612
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,200
by upper candidate consultants on behalf of BSF communities. So

613
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:44,888
this is now, the second public meeting this evening. And.

614
00:45:46,116 --> 00:45:48,476
It's held virtually and in person in accordance with the

615
00:45:48,476 --> 00:45:51,853
Planning Act. The public meeting this evening is to consider.

616
00:45:53,658 --> 00:45:56,858
Is to consider an official plan amendment, a zoning bylaw

617
00:45:56,858 --> 00:45:59,938
amendment, and a draft plan of vacant land condominium. Will

618
00:45:59,938 --> 00:46:02,538
the Director of planning and development services please explain the

619
00:46:02,538 --> 00:46:04,978
purpose of the meeting? And detail the nature of the

620
00:46:04,978 --> 00:46:12,168
applications. The purpose of this meeting is to provide interest

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00:46:12,168 --> 00:46:14,608
to parties with an opportunity to provide input regarding the

622
00:46:14,608 --> 00:46:20,563
following applications for zoning bylaw amendment. 2024. Seven official plan

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00:46:20,563 --> 00:46:25,203
Amendment OPA number 54, draft plan of subdivision 26, CD

624
00:46:25,203 --> 00:46:29,923
14240. Zero five. Submitted by upper candidate consultants on behalf

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00:46:29,923 --> 00:46:33,923
of BSF Communities, Inc. For lands municipally known as 450

626
00:46:33,923 --> 00:46:37,363
Race Road. The application for official plan amendment is intended

627
00:46:37,363 --> 00:46:41,907
to redesignate the lands from low. Density greenfield residential, medium

628
00:46:41,907 --> 00:46:45,987
density residential environmental conservation area and mixed use to medium

629
00:46:45,987 --> 00:46:51,254
density residential. And environmental conservation area. The application for zoning

630
00:46:51,254 --> 00:46:54,374
bylaw amendment is intended to rezone the lands or agricultural.

631
00:46:54,374 --> 00:46:57,854
A one to cite specific residential medium density rm and

632
00:46:57,854 --> 00:47:02,694
environmental conservation overlay. EC the application for vacant land condominium

633
00:47:02,694 --> 00:47:06,614
is to facilitate a residential development comprised of 139 townhost

634
00:47:06,614 --> 00:47:11,535
wellings and lands for. Environmental conservation. Thank you. With the

635
00:47:11,535 --> 00:47:14,375
director of planning and development services. Please advise the method

636
00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:16,295
and date by which the notice of meetings were given.

637
00:47:18,328 --> 00:47:20,248
Notice was published in the well in Tribune on November

638
00:47:20,248 --> 00:47:23,688
28, 2024. Hard copies of the notices were delivered to

639
00:47:23,688 --> 00:47:26,888
owners of any lands within 120 meters of subject lands

640
00:47:26,888 --> 00:47:30,551
and notification signs were erected. On the property. Thank you.

641
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:34,070
If you wish to be notified of the decision of

642
00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:36,310
the city of Welland in respect of the proposed official

643
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:38,870
plan amendment and zoning bylaw amendment, you must make a

644
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:42,270
written request to the city of Welland at Devserv. At

645
00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:48,793
Wellen, ca. That's Devserv. At Wellon, ca. We will hear

646
00:47:48,793 --> 00:47:51,713
first from the applicant and those supporting the proposal, followed

647
00:47:51,713 --> 00:47:54,873
by presentations from those opposed. To the proposal. The applicant

648
00:47:54,873 --> 00:47:58,193
will be given an opportunity to respond. All those making

649
00:47:58,193 --> 00:48:01,593
presentations should make all comments through the chair state their

650
00:48:01,593 --> 00:48:04,673
name, address, postal codes and position so that we may

651
00:48:04,673 --> 00:48:07,833
record this information for future reference. Council will now hear.

652
00:48:08,605 --> 00:48:11,245
From the applicant after wedge counts, will be given an

653
00:48:11,245 --> 00:48:15,321
opportunity to ask the questions of the applicant. Welcome back

654
00:48:15,321 --> 00:48:20,922
to Wellin City Council. Longtime no c. Thanks for having

655
00:48:20,922 --> 00:48:24,362
me. Go ahead. Just going to pull up my presentation

656
00:48:24,362 --> 00:48:33,740
here and I'll get started. Yes. Good evening. Thanks again

657
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:35,780
for having me. My name is William Haikup. I'm the

658
00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:39,980
planning manager with upper candidate consultants this evening. I'm representing

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00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:43,180
the owner of the subject. Landsat 450 Rice Road, known

660
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:47,660
as BSF Community zinc or Mountain View homes here to

661
00:48:47,660 --> 00:48:51,420
provide a presentation for the proposed development consisting of an

662
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:55,644
official. Plan amendment, zoning bylaw amendment and draft plan of

663
00:48:55,644 --> 00:48:59,924
vacant land condominium. Here you can see an outline of

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00:48:59,924 --> 00:49:03,284
the northwest well and secondary plane in blue. The subject

665
00:49:03,284 --> 00:49:08,048
land. Shown in white, highlighted there for reference within this

666
00:49:08,048 --> 00:49:12,428
area. Here you can see a more immediate site context.

667
00:49:15,516 --> 00:49:19,676
And basically zoom in. Aerial of the subject land. So

668
00:49:19,676 --> 00:49:24,756
it is currently 4.45 ha or approximately ten acres in

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00:49:24,756 --> 00:49:29,116
total area and has about 200 meters of frontage along

670
00:49:29,116 --> 00:49:34,221
the east side. Of Rice road. Currently, the topath drain

671
00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:38,141
or water course traverses the north portion of the site

672
00:49:38,141 --> 00:49:42,341
and has been incorporated into the design similar as the

673
00:49:42,341 --> 00:49:46,905
previous project. Here you can see some of the existing

674
00:49:46,905 --> 00:49:49,905
and future land uses that will surround the subject lands.

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00:49:51,513 --> 00:49:56,690
Here you can see the proposed plan. It consists of

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00:49:56,690 --> 00:50:04,050
139 dwelling units, of which 103 are blocked townhouses 36

677
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:07,330
are proposed to be back to back block townhouse units.

678
00:50:08,619 --> 00:50:11,579
The subject lands will be serviced through a primary private

679
00:50:11,579 --> 00:50:15,459
road access off of Rice Road and will include a

680
00:50:15,459 --> 00:50:23,070
secondary emergency access. Again to rice road. The northerly portion

681
00:50:23,070 --> 00:50:25,830
of the property that you see in green. Here is

682
00:50:25,830 --> 00:50:31,990
the updated and enhanced tow path drain with the proposed

683
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:38,521
multi use trail that traverses along it and. You can

684
00:50:38,521 --> 00:50:44,134
see the proposed. Unit layout, along with the associated visitor

685
00:50:44,134 --> 00:50:48,650
parking stalls. Here you can see the proposed official plan

686
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:54,891
amendment. Really? The official plan amendment seeks to clarify and

687
00:50:54,891 --> 00:50:58,891
consolidate the developable portion of the lands into a medium

688
00:50:58,891 --> 00:51:06,341
density residential designation. And. Remaining environmental conservation area associated with

689
00:51:06,341 --> 00:51:12,257
that Topaz drain that we have discussed. Similarly, you can

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00:51:12,257 --> 00:51:15,857
see here the zoning bylaw amendment schedule that has part

691
00:51:15,857 --> 00:51:20,297
one, the Orange area. For the residential medium density component.

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00:51:21,947 --> 00:51:26,959
And part two, which will be the environmental conservation. Component

693
00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:31,839
associated with that tow path drain. So here you can

694
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:36,426
see the draft plan of vacant land. Condominium. So this

695
00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:40,586
type of application allows us to implement private tenureship, albeit

696
00:51:40,586 --> 00:51:44,506
not on a public road. As previously indicated, this plan

697
00:51:44,506 --> 00:51:50,954
consists of 139 dwelling units in total. So. The proposed

698
00:51:50,954 --> 00:51:55,715
condominium will implement a condo corporation. That will be a

699
00:51:55,715 --> 00:52:01,813
property management and address the maintenance. And tidiness of the

700
00:52:01,813 --> 00:52:06,213
common element spaces throughout the property, and this would include

701
00:52:06,213 --> 00:52:11,093
typical condo services such as maintenance for lawn care for

702
00:52:11,093 --> 00:52:15,769
those common element areas and snow plowing. Those typical services.

703
00:52:17,633 --> 00:52:23,676
So following. This process. The area. And prior to development,

704
00:52:23,676 --> 00:52:26,196
the site would be subject to a site plan application

705
00:52:26,196 --> 00:52:29,396
with the city that site plan application would be dealt

706
00:52:29,396 --> 00:52:32,636
with through staff and would address items such as detailed

707
00:52:32,636 --> 00:52:38,083
design, landscaping lighting. And all the relevant details that are

708
00:52:38,083 --> 00:52:41,610
required to construct the site. Along with the application, there

709
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:47,252
were a number of studies completed. A stage two archaeological

710
00:52:47,252 --> 00:52:53,212
assessment, transportation impact assessment, a functional servicing report, and stormwater

711
00:52:53,212 --> 00:52:59,997
management plan, environmental impact study. A geotechnical investigation and hydrogeological

712
00:52:59,997 --> 00:53:04,578
assessment and a planning justification report. Here you can see

713
00:53:04,578 --> 00:53:10,836
the proposed dwellings. BSF communities or Mount View Homes is

714
00:53:10,836 --> 00:53:14,333
an active builder throughout the region. They're high quality work

715
00:53:14,333 --> 00:53:17,053
speaks for itself, and there are several communities within the

716
00:53:17,053 --> 00:53:20,811
city and larger Niagara region. Which you can give you

717
00:53:20,811 --> 00:53:23,531
an example of what you can see and expect in

718
00:53:23,531 --> 00:53:28,652
this development. Here are some examples of the block townhouse

719
00:53:28,652 --> 00:53:31,812
dwellings and back to back dwellings that will make up

720
00:53:31,812 --> 00:53:37,425
the community. These proposed plans make up of different elements,

721
00:53:37,425 --> 00:53:43,105
including modern characteristics and traditional facades. The proposed dwelling units

722
00:53:43,105 --> 00:53:47,065
have been thoughtfully designed and provide a variety of housing

723
00:53:47,065 --> 00:53:52,633
types that adhere to various demographics within the area. Ultimately,

724
00:53:52,633 --> 00:53:56,313
the provision of a mix in built forms along with

725
00:53:56,313 --> 00:54:01,873
appropriate accommodation of the topath drain. Pedestrian infrastructure facilities. We

726
00:54:01,873 --> 00:54:06,809
feel the development emphasizes. Its commitment to enhancing the community

727
00:54:06,809 --> 00:54:11,251
and providing good development within the city. In summary, the

728
00:54:11,251 --> 00:54:15,411
proposed development application seeks for an official plan, zoning bylaw,

729
00:54:15,411 --> 00:54:19,531
amendment and draft plan of vacant land condominium for 139

730
00:54:19,531 --> 00:54:24,411
dwelling units consisting of 103 block townhouses and 36 back

731
00:54:24,411 --> 00:54:28,491
to back town as is. The lens will continue to

732
00:54:28,491 --> 00:54:32,719
provide for the topath. Drain, which. Will be a protected

733
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:38,188
environmental area, including a three meter multi use trail. The

734
00:54:38,188 --> 00:54:43,268
proposed development balances the accommodation of the prescribed growth targets,

735
00:54:43,268 --> 00:54:46,748
improves housing choice, and is efficient use of urban lands

736
00:54:46,748 --> 00:54:51,142
and services. Within secondary plan area which is slated for

737
00:54:51,142 --> 00:54:53,982
growth and development. Thank you for your time this evening.

738
00:54:53,982 --> 00:54:56,222
And I'm certainly here to answer any questions, thank you.

739
00:54:58,094 --> 00:55:00,094
Thank you, Mr. Haikoup. I'll now turn it over to

740
00:55:00,094 --> 00:55:04,754
council for questions. And we'll start off with Councilor Kyokyo.

741
00:55:04,754 --> 00:55:09,916
Go ahead, councilor. Thank you. Mr chair. This does not

742
00:55:09,916 --> 00:55:12,276
include the land of the old sovereign club, is that

743
00:55:12,276 --> 00:55:18,857
correct? Mr. Chair. That's correct. Separate applications have been submitted

744
00:55:18,857 --> 00:55:21,897
that are in process right now, so. I expect that

745
00:55:21,897 --> 00:55:23,657
we will be in front of you in the coming

746
00:55:23,657 --> 00:55:27,716
months for the soccer club. So you're the developer for

747
00:55:27,716 --> 00:55:30,836
the old soccer club, too. Is that correct? Yes, they

748
00:55:30,836 --> 00:55:37,455
are. Owned by the same developer, correct? And. So those

749
00:55:37,455 --> 00:55:40,015
plans aren't yet finalized to the staff, or you have

750
00:55:40,015 --> 00:55:44,335
those plans for the old soccer club. We have submitted

751
00:55:44,335 --> 00:55:48,618
applications at the end of last year. And are in

752
00:55:48,618 --> 00:55:51,098
process. And as I indicated, I expect to be in

753
00:55:51,098 --> 00:55:53,658
front of you in the coming months regarding that project.

754
00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:59,101
Councilor to you, Mr. Chair, and just go back. To.

755
00:55:59,101 --> 00:56:02,741
We just saw the other development before you. But why

756
00:56:02,741 --> 00:56:05,221
so many townhouses or stacked townhouses? There were a time

757
00:56:05,221 --> 00:56:06,901
if you go a mile up the road on right

758
00:56:06,901 --> 00:56:09,461
road to the left. You see some beautiful homes. I

759
00:56:09,461 --> 00:56:12,381
know the home. Single family homes. I know the costs

760
00:56:12,381 --> 00:56:15,741
are. A lot more than townhouses, but why is that

761
00:56:15,741 --> 00:56:20,320
trend? Where facing developers and builders now just go into

762
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,771
areas and build townhouses and stack townhouses. Just feasibility. Is

763
00:56:24,771 --> 00:56:27,371
it money? It's just not worth building those beautiful homes

764
00:56:27,371 --> 00:56:31,411
anymore. Go ahead. Mr. Haiku. Yeah, so that's a very

765
00:56:31,411 --> 00:56:35,531
multifaceted question, and my answer is probably not as simple

766
00:56:35,531 --> 00:56:37,811
as the answer. I'll give you but a large part

767
00:56:37,811 --> 00:56:41,211
of it. Is due to market constraints. I know. Over

768
00:56:41,211 --> 00:56:44,398
the last year, year and a half. There's certainly been

769
00:56:44,398 --> 00:56:50,463
a lot of housing affordability concerns. Yet. The land that

770
00:56:50,463 --> 00:56:54,783
we have is in limited supply. So as we continue

771
00:56:54,783 --> 00:56:59,143
to have to grow and meet the provincial mandate for

772
00:56:59,143 --> 00:57:03,415
growth and providing for housing. We also have to, from

773
00:57:03,415 --> 00:57:08,227
a market perspective, balance. The price point of those units.

774
00:57:08,227 --> 00:57:10,387
So with the price of land being what it is,

775
00:57:10,387 --> 00:57:14,427
we're. Trying to come forward with a more attainable housing

776
00:57:14,427 --> 00:57:19,742
product that meets a wider income range. And. Is more

777
00:57:19,742 --> 00:57:23,269
generally affordable for people. So the second part of my

778
00:57:23,269 --> 00:57:26,429
answer really ties hand in hand into your question about

779
00:57:26,429 --> 00:57:31,217
the soccer. Club. That development when you'll see it come

780
00:57:31,217 --> 00:57:34,217
forward in the near future. But is a freehold development

781
00:57:34,217 --> 00:57:37,897
that includes quite a number of singles and freehold towns.

782
00:57:39,617 --> 00:57:42,737
So for this side of Rice road, being the same

783
00:57:42,737 --> 00:57:45,937
developer, we're not trying to put our eggs all in

784
00:57:45,937 --> 00:57:49,337
the same basket, so to say, and have a variety

785
00:57:49,337 --> 00:57:54,057
of products that caters to a larger demographic and has

786
00:57:54,057 --> 00:58:00,464
more opportunity. There has been a concern recently. About having

787
00:58:00,464 --> 00:58:03,704
those large singles and those projects that you referenced on

788
00:58:03,704 --> 00:58:05,584
Rice Road. I've been a part of all of them,

789
00:58:05,584 --> 00:58:10,146
so I'm very familiar with that. They're multimillion dollar homes,

790
00:58:10,146 --> 00:58:13,706
most of them. And so when we're looking at. Okay?

791
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,236
What is providing. A more attainable, affordable house to someone.

792
00:58:20,758 --> 00:58:23,678
It's using our land more efficiently, so doing more with

793
00:58:23,678 --> 00:58:28,364
the land than we were traditionally. And associated with that

794
00:58:28,364 --> 00:58:32,404
is providing a built form that's different than historically we

795
00:58:32,404 --> 00:58:36,979
always did. Long winded dancer, but I hope that answers

796
00:58:36,979 --> 00:58:42,362
your question. It does. I appreciate your answer and your

797
00:58:42,362 --> 00:58:47,522
honesty. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor Lee. Go ahead.

798
00:58:47,522 --> 00:58:50,722
Thank you, vice chair. I'm just looking at the zoning

799
00:58:50,722 --> 00:58:56,339
proposal. The green, part two. Could you tell me how

800
00:58:56,339 --> 00:59:02,221
wide that would be? Yes, it's 30 meters. 30 meters,

801
00:59:02,221 --> 00:59:07,912
correct. And does part two abut the rural property. The

802
00:59:07,912 --> 00:59:10,592
first rural property, at 494, is there a lot in

803
00:59:10,592 --> 00:59:15,412
between there. No, you are correct. The existing residential dwelling

804
00:59:15,412 --> 00:59:18,412
to the north would be abutting that drain. Correct. Okay,

805
00:59:18,412 --> 00:59:26,774
thank you. Thank you, councilor. Seeing no further, counselors. Questions.

806
00:59:26,774 --> 00:59:29,574
I will now turn it over to hear from those

807
00:59:29,574 --> 00:59:32,414
in support of the application. So members of the public

808
00:59:32,414 --> 00:59:35,909
if you are in support of this application. Please come

809
00:59:35,909 --> 00:59:41,664
up. And voice your opinion. Seeing none. Adam Clerk do

810
00:59:41,664 --> 00:59:48,085
we have anyone online? Through your chair? There are none.

811
00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:52,538
Thank you. Okay. Council will now hear from those opposed

812
00:59:52,538 --> 00:59:56,138
to the applications. As a reminder, please state your name.

813
00:59:56,138 --> 00:59:58,978
Address and postal code council will be giving the opportunity

814
00:59:58,978 --> 01:00:01,898
to ask questions of those opposed. So if you are

815
01:00:01,898 --> 01:00:04,498
opposed to the application, please come up to the desk

816
01:00:04,498 --> 01:00:10,260
here and voice your opinion. Seeing? None. Anyone online through

817
01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:15,694
you chair? There are none. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Okay.

818
01:00:15,694 --> 01:00:18,894
Council will consider this matter at a later time this

819
01:00:18,894 --> 01:00:22,334
evening, which is immediately after I close. This public meeting

820
01:00:22,334 --> 01:00:24,494
if a person or public body would otherwise have the

821
01:00:24,494 --> 01:00:26,694
ability to appeal the decision. Of the city of well

822
01:00:26,694 --> 01:00:29,694
into the Ontario Land Tribunal, but the person or public

823
01:00:29,694 --> 01:00:33,294
body does not make oral submissions at a public meeting

824
01:00:33,294 --> 01:00:35,579
or make written sub. Submissions to the city of Welland

825
01:00:35,579 --> 01:00:38,339
before the bylaw is passed, the person or public body

826
01:00:38,339 --> 01:00:41,739
is not entitled to appeal the decision if a person

827
01:00:41,739 --> 01:00:43,859
or public body does not make oral submissions. At a

828
01:00:43,859 --> 01:00:46,379
public meeting or written submissions to the city of Welland

829
01:00:46,379 --> 01:00:49,619
before the bylaw is passed, the person or public body

830
01:00:49,619 --> 01:00:51,539
may not be added as a party to the hearing

831
01:00:51,539 --> 01:00:55,021
of an appeal to the Ontario land tribunal unless. In

832
01:00:55,021 --> 01:00:57,341
the opinion of the tribunal, they are reasonable grounds to

833
01:00:57,341 --> 01:01:02,291
do so. This public meeting is now concluded. And we

834
01:01:02,291 --> 01:01:06,131
will now turn it over to the staff report for

835
01:01:06,131 --> 01:01:09,772
the development that we just heard. About. And if I

836
01:01:09,772 --> 01:01:11,572
could get a counselor to put it on the floor.

837
01:01:13,157 --> 01:01:19,866
Councilor van Vleette. Any questions? Councilors. Any questions?

838
01:01:23,271 --> 01:01:25,351
Go ahead, council. Thank you, vice mayor. Through you. There

839
01:01:25,351 --> 01:01:30,772
is no park in this particular development. How is the

840
01:01:30,772 --> 01:01:36,399
Parkland dedication? Being dealt or payment in lieu of Parkland

841
01:01:36,399 --> 01:01:42,166
being handled. Mr. Monday. Through you, chair. In this northwest

842
01:01:42,166 --> 01:01:46,806
secondary plan area, some developers will be contributing Parkland, others

843
01:01:46,806 --> 01:01:50,126
will be contributing cash. And Lua Parkland just depends on

844
01:01:50,126 --> 01:01:56,127
the situation from parcel to parcel. And property owners who

845
01:01:56,127 --> 01:02:00,087
over contribute. Parkland will be compensated for over contributing on

846
01:02:00,087 --> 01:02:03,767
their site versus another developer who's not contributing land, but

847
01:02:03,767 --> 01:02:06,647
rather money. Councilor, thank you very much.

848
01:02:13,598 --> 01:02:20,410
Councilor Demarco. Go ahead. Yes, thank you. Vice mayor moot.

849
01:02:22,043 --> 01:02:25,283
Just a question to staff. Maybe Mr. Axiac can answer.

850
01:02:27,371 --> 01:02:29,731
When are we going to slow things down in regards

851
01:02:29,731 --> 01:02:33,251
to development in the city and get caught? Up with

852
01:02:33,251 --> 01:02:40,069
our infrastructure. That's all right here from current residents council.

853
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:42,709
That's not a question to the report in front of

854
01:02:42,709 --> 01:02:45,509
us. That's more of a hypothetical question. And that's a

855
01:02:45,509 --> 01:02:50,224
provincial mandate, as you well know. Well, no, I know

856
01:02:50,224 --> 01:02:59,391
that. Mr vice mayor. But. We did. Go. 270%.

857
01:03:01,139 --> 01:03:04,499
Over what we needed to last year to qualify for

858
01:03:04,499 --> 01:03:09,830
the few dollars we got. Yes, I appreciate. No, I

859
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:12,110
do appreciate that, but that's a drop in the bucket

860
01:03:12,110 --> 01:03:15,110
compared to the premier. Stated 1 million homes in ten

861
01:03:15,110 --> 01:03:17,950
years. So if we could stay on topic of this

862
01:03:17,950 --> 01:03:21,397
opa. And Zba. That would be great. Thank you. All

863
01:03:21,397 --> 01:03:25,692
right. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further questions from council.

864
01:03:28,037 --> 01:03:34,059
We will vote. On to receive the presentation and the

865
01:03:34,059 --> 01:03:38,013
report. Right, the report. Thank you. Voting is open.

866
01:03:44,857 --> 01:03:48,497
And that's Carrie. Thank you, councilors. And I've lost my

867
01:03:48,497 --> 01:03:57,849
sheets. Oh, okay. Here we go. So, seeing no further

868
01:03:57,849 --> 01:04:01,329
business, I declare this meeting adjourned. And now we'll turn.

869
01:04:01,329 --> 01:04:06,882
It over to mayor Campion. We're a little late. But

870
01:04:06,882 --> 01:04:11,578
we'll let him decide. What goes on next. Thanks, councilors

871
01:04:11,578 --> 01:04:11,938
and staff.

872
01:06:10,615 --> 01:06:12,615
These are two items this evening for in camera, which

873
01:06:12,615 --> 01:06:14,375
we're going to move to the end of the meeting

874
01:06:14,375 --> 01:06:16,135
so that we can start this meeting almost on time.

875
01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:23,247
So that's just an fyi. Okay, so in the event,

876
01:06:23,247 --> 01:06:25,287
I guess we already covered that, but most of folks

877
01:06:25,287 --> 01:06:26,967
weren't. Here at that time. In the event of an

878
01:06:26,967 --> 01:06:29,567
emergency, please follow direction of the city clerk to. Make

879
01:06:29,567 --> 01:06:31,407
your way out of city hall using one of the

880
01:06:31,407 --> 01:06:34,367
exit points communicated to you by the clerk and make

881
01:06:34,367 --> 01:06:36,487
your way to the gathering location in front of city

882
01:06:36,487 --> 01:06:39,767
hall, known as Civic Square. By the reflection pond and

883
01:06:39,767 --> 01:06:45,271
weight. Additional instructions. I'd like to read. The land acknowledgment.

884
01:06:46,873 --> 01:06:48,313
Well, it is situated on tree land. This land is

885
01:06:48,313 --> 01:06:50,513
steeped in the rich history of the First nations such

886
01:06:50,513 --> 01:06:53,953
as the hotawater, the hood, Nashoni and the initiate, including

887
01:06:53,953 --> 01:06:57,313
the Mississaugas. Of the credit First Nation there are many

888
01:06:57,313 --> 01:07:00,753
First nations mate and Inuit people from across Turtle island

889
01:07:00,753 --> 01:07:02,993
that live and working well and today well and stands

890
01:07:02,993 --> 01:07:05,793
with all indigenous people past. And prison in promoting the

891
01:07:05,793 --> 01:07:08,868
wise stewardship. On the lands of which we live. If

892
01:07:08,868 --> 01:07:11,348
you're able to rise, please rise and join. Us in

893
01:07:11,348 --> 01:07:11,988
the national anthem.

894
01:07:50,981 --> 01:07:56,698
Holy. Spirit.

895
01:08:21,823 --> 01:08:23,196
Hold. On.

896
01:08:56,387 --> 01:08:58,947
Okay, I call this meeting to order. And welcome, everyone,

897
01:08:58,947 --> 01:09:04,842
to wellen City council. Going to go to.

898
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,200
See if the CAO wishes to provide opening remarks. I

899
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,800
know you did that at the very beginning. You're good

900
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,616
to go. Okay. I have no opening remarks other than

901
01:09:18,616 --> 01:09:23,951
to say, welcome to city council. And. I'm going to

902
01:09:23,951 --> 01:09:25,031
go to the clerk to see if there are any

903
01:09:25,031 --> 01:09:28,071
additions or. Deletions to the agenda. Madam clerk two, are

904
01:09:28,071 --> 01:09:32,351
you, Mr. Mayor? There are none, thank you. The minutes

905
01:09:32,351 --> 01:09:35,871
of the regular council meeting of December 17, 2024, have

906
01:09:35,871 --> 01:09:37,871
been distributed. I'm looking for motion to approve those minutes.

907
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:48,713
Anyone. Councilor Moot, seconder, Councilor Van Bleet. Councilor. Councilor Demarco.

908
01:09:50,837 --> 01:09:53,477
Yes, thank you. I have a question in regards to.

909
01:09:56,141 --> 01:10:02,227
The. Page six of the minutes. Where it states members

910
01:10:02,227 --> 01:10:12,209
present. Myself. Virtual until 07:40 p.m. Removed

911
01:10:12,209 --> 01:10:17,346
from meeting due to comments made to chair. Chair champion.

912
01:10:19,604 --> 01:10:27,257
Yes. Your question is? That accurately depicts what happened at

913
01:10:27,257 --> 01:10:30,297
the meeting, I believe, Madam Clerk, through you, Ms. Mary

914
01:10:30,297 --> 01:10:34,777
yes, that's correct, councilor. No, the minutes are accurate. No,

915
01:10:34,777 --> 01:10:39,363
Mr. Mayor, the comment that you made. Was, counselor. We're

916
01:10:39,363 --> 01:10:42,043
just talking about the minutes. The minutes? Yes, well, that's

917
01:10:42,043 --> 01:10:44,763
what I'm talking about the minutes. Well, I'm talking about

918
01:10:44,763 --> 01:10:50,981
incorrect counsel. How are the incorrect, counselor. Your comment was

919
01:10:50,981 --> 01:10:57,430
that. I could remove you from the meeting. And that

920
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:59,670
was it, which I did. And we went on a

921
01:10:59,670 --> 01:11:04,626
recess. No, you were removed from the meeting, councilor. We

922
01:11:04,626 --> 01:11:06,306
don't want to discuss much because that was in camera.

923
01:11:08,217 --> 01:11:12,033
No. Your comment, counselor. I'm telling you. For those comments,

924
01:11:12,033 --> 01:11:15,473
Madam Clerk. Was the councilor removed? The council meeting through

925
01:11:15,473 --> 01:11:18,673
you, Mr. Mayor? Yes. So, councilor, the minutes are accurate.

926
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:24,020
I was not aware until we went into open session.

927
01:11:24,020 --> 01:11:29,314
Well, and I went to. Doesn't matter, councilor. It happened.

928
01:11:29,314 --> 01:11:30,474
I don't know if you were aware of. It or

929
01:11:30,474 --> 01:11:33,140
not, but it did occur. And the minutes are accurate.

930
01:11:34,690 --> 01:11:37,450
I'm sorry, but they're not accurate. Well, councilor, that's enough.

931
01:11:39,306 --> 01:11:42,706
So they are accurate. We have a mover. And second

932
01:11:42,706 --> 01:11:45,026
or so, I'm going to ask the clerk to run

933
01:11:45,026 --> 01:11:47,586
us through the vote. Voting is open.

934
01:12:06,685 --> 01:12:09,165
Okay, well, a couple of people have not voted, but

935
01:12:09,165 --> 01:12:11,445
we'll find that out in a minute. The motion carries,

936
01:12:11,445 --> 01:12:11,485
though.

937
01:12:23,025 --> 01:12:30,778
Okay. So there are no items to be brought forward

938
01:12:30,778 --> 01:12:34,218
from in block at this point, having reviewed the agenda

939
01:12:34,218 --> 01:12:35,698
to any members of council, I have a need to

940
01:12:35,698 --> 01:12:38,258
disclose a direct or indirect pecuniar. Interest with respect to

941
01:12:38,258 --> 01:12:45,157
this evening's agenda. Councilor mood. Thanks, Mayor Campion.

942
01:12:48,245 --> 01:12:50,245
I have not asked the integrity commissioner yet, but I

943
01:12:50,245 --> 01:12:54,615
do believe I have a pecuniary. Interest. With the presentation

944
01:12:54,615 --> 01:12:57,455
tonight from Niagara College, as I've recently been added as

945
01:12:57,455 --> 01:13:00,815
a part time faculty member, so I'll excuse myself for

946
01:13:00,815 --> 01:13:04,815
that portion of the meeting. Okay, duly noted. I don't

947
01:13:04,815 --> 01:13:10,489
see. Anyone. Councilor Kyokyo. I too, mayor camp here. I'd

948
01:13:10,489 --> 01:13:12,689
like to excuse myself from that part. Does my daughter

949
01:13:12,689 --> 01:13:20,150
teach us Niagara College. All right, that's your call. Okay.

950
01:13:22,253 --> 01:13:25,173
So we're going to go to council now to identify

951
01:13:25,173 --> 01:13:27,733
items to be removed from black. And this evening we're

952
01:13:27,733 --> 01:13:32,614
starting with Councilor Kyokyo. Councilor Kyokyo. Thank you. Go ahead.

953
01:13:36,828 --> 01:13:45,938
5.5. Reduce council size to lessen financial impact. That's it.

954
01:13:45,938 --> 01:13:46,138
Thank you.

955
01:13:56,691 --> 01:14:04,385
Thank you, councilor. Next we have Councilor McLeod. Thanks, Mr.

956
01:14:04,385 --> 01:14:11,237
Mayor. 5.1 reference 25 39. And 5.2 reference 20 515.

957
01:14:11,237 --> 01:14:19,986
Thank you. Thanks. Councilor. Councilor. Who's here.

958
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:24,698
Councilor Demarco. Anything to pull.

959
01:14:33,143 --> 01:14:38,487
Councilor. 5.3. Okay.

960
01:14:43,809 --> 01:14:52,053
Is that it? Assuming that's it. Councilor.

961
01:14:53,964 --> 01:14:58,928
Richard. Thank you. It's already been pulled. Thank you. Councilor

962
01:14:58,928 --> 01:15:01,568
Gromaldi. I believe. Is online. Councilor Gromaldi.

963
01:15:15,241 --> 01:15:20,198
Councilor Grimaldi, you're up. If you are speaking, your mic

964
01:15:20,198 --> 01:15:30,088
might be turned off. Councilor Grumaldi. Do you

965
01:15:30,088 --> 01:15:30,768
see your mic on?

966
01:15:44,759 --> 01:15:52,564
Councilor Grimaldi. We can't hear you. I don't know if

967
01:15:52,564 --> 01:15:57,065
the clerk would suggest you. She has nothing to bowl.

968
01:15:57,065 --> 01:16:02,315
Okay. Thank you, Councilor Sedaram. Already pulled. Thank you. Thank

969
01:16:02,315 --> 01:16:08,331
you. Councilor Falcons is online. Go ahead. It's already been

970
01:16:08,331 --> 01:16:11,411
full. Thank you. It's been full. Thank you. Thank you,

971
01:16:11,411 --> 01:16:18,976
Councilor Moot Benfold. Mayor thank you. You, Councilor van Bleet

972
01:16:18,976 --> 01:16:22,635
bin Po. Thank you. Councilor going over to councilor Lee.

973
01:16:25,019 --> 01:16:26,979
I already been pulled. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you,

974
01:16:26,979 --> 01:16:34,083
councilor. Spec. Sorry, Councilor Green. Thank you, Merrill. Pull. One

975
01:16:34,083 --> 01:16:39,094
item is 5.4. I wasn't skipping you over you on

976
01:16:39,094 --> 01:16:47,180
purpose, so you avoid that. Council. Respect. I'll do 7.8

977
01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:51,070
of the bylaw, thank you. Okay, mover. And second, for

978
01:16:51,070 --> 01:16:55,590
the balance of the items moved by councilor Richard, seconded.

979
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:58,870
By councilor McLeod. I'll go to the clerk for the

980
01:16:58,870 --> 01:17:05,694
vote. Voting is open.

981
01:17:12,453 --> 01:17:18,994
Okay, that is carried. So now we will move on.

982
01:17:22,076 --> 01:17:26,596
To presentations, and this evening we do have a presentation.

983
01:17:26,596 --> 01:17:28,516
So I'm going to call upon mark nine tell. Vice

984
01:17:28,516 --> 01:17:33,436
president, research, innovation and strategic enterprises. And Gord Arbo, Vice

985
01:17:33,436 --> 01:17:37,996
president, advancement. And Mabel Watt, director of government relations, Niagara

986
01:17:37,996 --> 01:17:41,236
College, to address council regarding an update on its activities.

987
01:17:42,288 --> 01:17:48,070
Mabel, are you coming up? Okay. All right. Okay. Well,

988
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:52,661
welcome to well in city council. Before we begin, I

989
01:17:52,661 --> 01:17:54,301
would be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that.

990
01:17:55,661 --> 01:18:00,792
Mr. Nantel won the Trailblazer award and innovation policy. At

991
01:18:00,792 --> 01:18:04,552
the 2024 Canadian Science Policy center conference in Ottawa last

992
01:18:04,552 --> 01:18:07,632
month. So congratulations on that. That's a very significant achievement.

993
01:18:08,991 --> 01:18:11,391
And we're happy that you were recognized for that because

994
01:18:11,391 --> 01:18:14,980
we think you're a very innovative person. Okay, so the

995
01:18:14,980 --> 01:18:24,603
floor is yours. Please proceed. All

996
01:18:24,603 --> 01:18:28,374
right. Thank you. Thank you for having us. And through

997
01:18:28,374 --> 01:18:32,423
you, Mr. Mayor. We're happy to be here to present

998
01:18:32,423 --> 01:18:34,943
to you a little bit of an update on some

999
01:18:34,943 --> 01:18:38,489
activities at the college. Especially on the well and campus.

1000
01:18:39,945 --> 01:18:41,905
And it's my understanding there was going to be a

1001
01:18:41,905 --> 01:18:50,105
presentation. On the computer there. I see. All right. This

1002
01:18:50,105 --> 01:18:55,576
one. Okay. It's a self bring up. I see. There

1003
01:18:55,576 --> 01:19:00,467
you go. Excellent. Thank you so much. As you know,

1004
01:19:00,467 --> 01:19:06,008
Naga College. Has been a proud member of the city

1005
01:19:06,008 --> 01:19:11,214
of Wellens since 1967 and. Our current strategic plan focuses

1006
01:19:11,214 --> 01:19:14,174
on several areas of importance to us, but also to

1007
01:19:14,174 --> 01:19:20,121
the community, namely, making sure that. We provide a holistic

1008
01:19:20,121 --> 01:19:24,699
student experience. To our community and our students. We engage

1009
01:19:24,699 --> 01:19:29,019
with alumni and also partners in the region. We pursue

1010
01:19:29,019 --> 01:19:32,339
academic excellence in everything we do and making sure that.

1011
01:19:33,922 --> 01:19:39,382
We model. And trailblaze and social inclusion and environmental sustainability.

1012
01:19:39,382 --> 01:19:42,022
We have a global reach, as you know. And trying

1013
01:19:42,022 --> 01:19:43,982
to do all this in the best possible way, which

1014
01:19:43,982 --> 01:19:49,142
is organizational excellence. We're halfway through our strategic plan, and

1015
01:19:49,142 --> 01:19:52,761
we thank you for having. Provided input into it at

1016
01:19:52,761 --> 01:19:57,038
the time. Like to remind you a little bit about

1017
01:19:57,038 --> 01:20:00,918
our college. We have about 10,500 students. Give or take

1018
01:20:00,918 --> 01:20:06,438
every term and employ 1800 people in both our campuses.

1019
01:20:07,913 --> 01:20:11,325
A dwelling campus in particular. The points of interest or

1020
01:20:11,325 --> 01:20:16,495
specific points. We have the applied health institute, which. Has

1021
01:20:16,495 --> 01:20:20,575
all of our nursing, dentistry, personal support worker, and medical

1022
01:20:20,575 --> 01:20:25,028
adjacent programs. I have the honor of having in my

1023
01:20:25,028 --> 01:20:29,068
portfolio the Walker Advanced Manufacturing Innovation center, where we help

1024
01:20:29,068 --> 01:20:32,828
companies develop new products, processes, and then services for the

1025
01:20:32,828 --> 01:20:38,916
market, making them more competitive. And contribute to our economy.

1026
01:20:38,916 --> 01:20:42,316
The Rankin Technology center has a lot of our technology

1027
01:20:42,316 --> 01:20:46,916
programs and our trades programs, including the Green Automotive Technology

1028
01:20:46,916 --> 01:20:50,356
Lab, which is about servicing electric vehicles. It's one of

1029
01:20:50,356 --> 01:20:53,356
the first in the province, and we're very proud of

1030
01:20:53,356 --> 01:20:57,654
it. And, of course, our simply financial aesthetic center. Where

1031
01:20:57,654 --> 01:21:01,334
some of our top teams are playing and represent us

1032
01:21:01,334 --> 01:21:06,224
well at the Ontario College Athletic association. We also have

1033
01:21:06,224 --> 01:21:09,384
what we call learning enterprises, which are ways for students

1034
01:21:09,384 --> 01:21:13,977
to interact with the public. That dental clinic, massage therapy

1035
01:21:13,977 --> 01:21:16,697
clinic and the teaching hair salon are open to the

1036
01:21:16,697 --> 01:21:21,274
public to come. On campus and benefit. From the learning

1037
01:21:21,274 --> 01:21:26,877
of our students. In particular. I'm proud of our research

1038
01:21:26,877 --> 01:21:31,068
and innovation division, which. As again this year hit the

1039
01:21:31,068 --> 01:21:35,268
number one spot of the best funded college applied research.

1040
01:21:36,835 --> 01:21:39,275
Enterprise in country. There are about 150 colleges in the

1041
01:21:39,275 --> 01:21:44,856
country, so being number one is pretty good. We worked

1042
01:21:44,856 --> 01:21:48,576
with companies in the city of Wellin, some of which

1043
01:21:48,576 --> 01:21:51,176
have their logo up there. And you'll notice the city

1044
01:21:51,176 --> 01:21:53,896
of Wellland itself, where we've had the pleasure. Over the

1045
01:21:53,896 --> 01:22:01,021
years. To give your museum a new website in 2015

1046
01:22:01,021 --> 01:22:04,701
to renovate the front doors. Beautiful wooden doors. Last year.

1047
01:22:06,894 --> 01:22:08,414
And a little bit older than that. I think we

1048
01:22:08,414 --> 01:22:14,656
did a whole scan. Virtual reality scan capture. Of the

1049
01:22:14,656 --> 01:22:20,333
square. Town square. Here for your renovation needs. So again,

1050
01:22:20,333 --> 01:22:24,930
we're here to help. The community be more effective in

1051
01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:28,727
how they conduct business and make sure that. The economy.

1052
01:22:29,985 --> 01:22:33,185
Is forwarded by that. I'll now pass the mic to

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01:22:33,185 --> 01:22:37,514
my colleague gord. Great. Thank you. Thank you, mayor. Thank

1054
01:22:37,514 --> 01:22:42,834
you, councilors. We wanted just to update council on activity.

1055
01:22:42,834 --> 01:22:46,933
That began just under a year ago. As we launched

1056
01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:50,853
the largest fundraising campaign in the college's history, the Together

1057
01:22:50,853 --> 01:22:56,957
campaign, which is a $50 million, multi year project. To

1058
01:22:56,957 --> 01:23:02,305
really help the college. Secure funds to help us address

1059
01:23:02,305 --> 01:23:06,985
the most pressing needs within our community. And so the

1060
01:23:06,985 --> 01:23:10,505
campaign itself. Has a number of pillars, including addressing the

1061
01:23:10,505 --> 01:23:14,931
skilled trades and addressing the health care crisis. We're uniquely

1062
01:23:14,931 --> 01:23:20,526
positioned as our college to help. Fill the skilled trades

1063
01:23:20,526 --> 01:23:23,566
and healthcare workforce gaps. In order to do that, we

1064
01:23:23,566 --> 01:23:26,646
need to expand facilities here in Wellland. We need to

1065
01:23:26,646 --> 01:23:30,691
build a new skilled trade center and. We need to

1066
01:23:30,691 --> 01:23:35,211
expand our applied health institute. Both of those programs are

1067
01:23:35,211 --> 01:23:40,466
highly space. Have high needs for space. And so, in

1068
01:23:40,466 --> 01:23:43,986
order for us to grow enrollments, we need to grow

1069
01:23:43,986 --> 01:23:47,405
those buildings. A large part of our campaign is to

1070
01:23:47,405 --> 01:23:51,627
support. And reduce barriers for students to enter the college.

1071
01:23:51,627 --> 01:23:56,773
And so we are actively raising funds. For student scholarships

1072
01:23:56,773 --> 01:24:00,737
and bursaries, including. A new scholarship fund that we've started

1073
01:24:00,737 --> 01:24:04,217
called strong students, Stronger Futures, which aims to raise funds

1074
01:24:04,217 --> 01:24:09,177
to fully cover the costs. Tuition costs for indigenous students

1075
01:24:09,177 --> 01:24:12,657
from across Niagara and former youth and care as well.

1076
01:24:14,062 --> 01:24:17,561
The other pillars of the campaign. Work that we're doing

1077
01:24:17,561 --> 01:24:21,959
to be more equitable and diverse. And some of the

1078
01:24:21,959 --> 01:24:25,799
equity, diversity and inclusivity projects that we do. We're a

1079
01:24:25,799 --> 01:24:28,919
global college. We think we're Canada's leading global college, and

1080
01:24:28,919 --> 01:24:32,599
so we're looking at ways to help connect students to

1081
01:24:32,599 --> 01:24:35,799
the global economy and to bring some of Niagara and

1082
01:24:35,799 --> 01:24:39,569
some of Wellland to the world as well. And the

1083
01:24:39,569 --> 01:24:43,489
final pillar is to help our applied research activity that

1084
01:24:43,489 --> 01:24:48,094
Dr. Nantel talked about. Amplify that so that we can

1085
01:24:48,094 --> 01:24:52,614
connect with more small and medium sized enterprises across, well.

1086
01:24:52,614 --> 01:24:55,854
In and around Niagara and across the province and country

1087
01:24:55,854 --> 01:24:59,673
to become more productive, more efficient. And to advance their

1088
01:24:59,673 --> 01:25:03,591
goals as well. So that's the campaign. In Welland itself.

1089
01:25:05,374 --> 01:25:09,825
Thank you. There's some capital projects that we're keen on

1090
01:25:09,825 --> 01:25:13,625
helping to advance, and I mentioned two of them. An

1091
01:25:13,625 --> 01:25:16,785
expansion for our applied health institute so that we can

1092
01:25:16,785 --> 01:25:21,185
train and graduate more. Nurses, psws, paramedics, dental practitioners and

1093
01:25:21,185 --> 01:25:24,745
the like. And this is a 75,000. Square foot expansion

1094
01:25:24,745 --> 01:25:28,887
of the applied health institute. We are active in design

1095
01:25:28,887 --> 01:25:31,527
at present, and we hope to break ground on that

1096
01:25:31,527 --> 01:25:34,687
within this calendar. Year, a new center for skilled trades

1097
01:25:34,687 --> 01:25:38,167
so that we can expand programs in the skilled trades

1098
01:25:38,167 --> 01:25:41,967
so we can start offering programs like HVAC and plumbing

1099
01:25:41,967 --> 01:25:46,247
and also to expand current programs and construction. Welding and

1100
01:25:46,247 --> 01:25:49,928
technolog. Technologies. So that's a new building. It's a little

1101
01:25:49,928 --> 01:25:55,911
further down. Our list of projects. And then. To expand

1102
01:25:55,911 --> 01:25:58,471
and build a new student residence on the well and

1103
01:25:58,471 --> 01:26:03,185
campus. I think we've all been seized by housing, by

1104
01:26:03,185 --> 01:26:06,625
a need for expanded housing options and housing within the

1105
01:26:06,625 --> 01:26:10,025
community. And this is a student, a new student residence

1106
01:26:10,025 --> 01:26:15,105
in Wellland in 2022. This council or the previous council.

1107
01:26:16,498 --> 01:26:21,674
Supported a we can advance. Thank you. Supported an investment

1108
01:26:21,674 --> 01:26:24,714
to the college, and we're midway through that investment of

1109
01:26:24,714 --> 01:26:31,669
$250,000 over five years and. We are deeply thankful. To

1110
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:36,115
council and to the leadership. Of the city. To work

1111
01:26:36,115 --> 01:26:40,218
in partnership with us and to help. Meet the needs

1112
01:26:40,218 --> 01:26:43,623
of our students in the community. We propose that those

1113
01:26:43,623 --> 01:26:45,783
funds, as we collect them over time, will be used

1114
01:26:45,783 --> 01:26:49,590
towards. A capital project. One of the well and capital

1115
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:53,939
projects. And we are excited to talk to you about

1116
01:26:53,939 --> 01:26:57,219
further about our new residents and using those funds. To

1117
01:26:57,219 --> 01:27:01,665
help that project in particular. There's been a bit of

1118
01:27:01,665 --> 01:27:05,665
news around the college system, particularly around international students, and

1119
01:27:05,665 --> 01:27:07,505
so we thought tonight we'd bring you a bit of

1120
01:27:07,505 --> 01:27:13,169
an update on what's happening. At Niagara college. You'll know

1121
01:27:13,169 --> 01:27:16,249
that the federal government, about a year ago now changed,

1122
01:27:16,249 --> 01:27:21,569
started a series of policy changes. To lower the number

1123
01:27:21,569 --> 01:27:25,261
of international students that come into the country. Some of

1124
01:27:25,261 --> 01:27:30,543
the changes early on were helpful to the system. They

1125
01:27:30,543 --> 01:27:37,325
really targeted. Small private colleges that were not necessarily acting

1126
01:27:37,325 --> 01:27:40,848
in the best interest of students. But over the course

1127
01:27:40,848 --> 01:27:43,648
of the past calendar year, the changes have become deeper

1128
01:27:43,648 --> 01:27:48,343
and much more pronounced. And so they've had a significant

1129
01:27:48,343 --> 01:27:52,063
impact on the college, on the number of international students.

1130
01:27:52,063 --> 01:27:54,423
Who will be coming to Wellland, into Niagara and the

1131
01:27:54,423 --> 01:27:58,503
lake, and to our overall enrollments. We're thankful to you,

1132
01:27:58,503 --> 01:28:02,463
Mr. Mayor, for signing a letter in support of some

1133
01:28:02,463 --> 01:28:05,343
of our advocacy to the federal government on behalf of

1134
01:28:05,343 --> 01:28:09,694
the college. We are, I think, in a stronger position

1135
01:28:09,694 --> 01:28:11,734
than some of our sister colleges who you might have

1136
01:28:11,734 --> 01:28:14,734
read about because we've had a number of years of

1137
01:28:14,734 --> 01:28:20,103
very strong financial results. In very, I think sage and

1138
01:28:20,103 --> 01:28:26,615
strategic financial management. But. No one in the sector in

1139
01:28:26,615 --> 01:28:32,013
Ontario is immune from these changes. And so we are.

1140
01:28:33,264 --> 01:28:37,624
Actively in communication with all levels of government to help

1141
01:28:37,624 --> 01:28:40,144
impress on them the needs of not only the college,

1142
01:28:40,144 --> 01:28:42,904
but the needs of our industry partners who hire our

1143
01:28:42,904 --> 01:28:48,501
graduates. In. A number of essential industries, like skilled trades

1144
01:28:48,501 --> 01:28:53,784
like health care, like hospitality, terrorism management. Industries that are

1145
01:28:53,784 --> 01:28:58,373
of vital interest. In importance import to Niagara to expand.

1146
01:29:01,006 --> 01:29:03,046
And change the rule so that we can welcome more

1147
01:29:03,046 --> 01:29:06,246
students into these programs from around the world. And so

1148
01:29:06,246 --> 01:29:10,418
as we move forward, You'll be hearing, I think, more

1149
01:29:10,418 --> 01:29:13,738
from the college, more from the college sector about how

1150
01:29:13,738 --> 01:29:18,691
we might remedy some of. These challenges. So thank you.

1151
01:29:18,691 --> 01:29:21,571
Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you for the

1152
01:29:21,571 --> 01:29:28,915
ongoing partnership. With Mr. Mayor, councilors and city staff who

1153
01:29:28,915 --> 01:29:33,555
are great allies and partners for the college at any

1154
01:29:33,555 --> 01:29:36,195
time. And I was interested to hear that some of

1155
01:29:36,195 --> 01:29:39,395
the members of councilors have connections. To the college at

1156
01:29:39,395 --> 01:29:43,393
any time. We more than be more than happy to

1157
01:29:43,393 --> 01:29:48,740
welcome you. To campus. To see what's happening and going

1158
01:29:48,740 --> 01:29:52,759
on and to welcome you there. Thank you. Thank you

1159
01:29:52,759 --> 01:29:57,519
very much for your presentation. Very informative, and certainly we

1160
01:29:57,519 --> 01:30:00,177
appreciate. Our partnership with you. I think as much as

1161
01:30:00,177 --> 01:30:03,817
you appreciate the opposite of that, so thank you. Very

1162
01:30:03,817 --> 01:30:05,937
much for your presentation. I'm going to go to council

1163
01:30:05,937 --> 01:30:09,169
now. For questions, and I'm just going to start with

1164
01:30:09,169 --> 01:30:12,756
councilor setter Ram. Thank you very much. Nice to see

1165
01:30:12,756 --> 01:30:18,448
also your moose Hyde campaign there, Button. Sorry. Not button.

1166
01:30:19,649 --> 01:30:23,793
You're insignificant. Yes, thank you. What I was curious about

1167
01:30:23,793 --> 01:30:28,407
was. With the battery separator plant in Port Colburn and

1168
01:30:28,407 --> 01:30:31,527
bringing in those 300 jobs in phase one and then

1169
01:30:31,527 --> 01:30:35,577
up to 1000, they said. In the future years. At

1170
01:30:35,577 --> 01:30:39,457
the economic summit, he was speaking about having direct connection

1171
01:30:39,457 --> 01:30:43,182
with Niagara College. And making sure that we have training

1172
01:30:43,182 --> 01:30:46,742
program certifications, micro learning that will be available. So it

1173
01:30:46,742 --> 01:30:48,822
wasn't spoken to in this presentation, but I'm very curious

1174
01:30:48,822 --> 01:30:52,009
about how it fits. In. Will we see some of

1175
01:30:52,009 --> 01:30:55,049
that learning being done right here in Welland since we're

1176
01:30:55,049 --> 01:30:57,009
obviously well placed with the number of housing units that

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01:30:57,009 --> 01:31:00,009
they need to, and then hoping that we can attract

1178
01:31:00,009 --> 01:31:03,964
local residents to be entering into those economic programs. Thank

1179
01:31:03,964 --> 01:31:08,521
you for the question through you, Lord Mayor. Yes. We're

1180
01:31:08,521 --> 01:31:13,001
in close collaboration and discussions with Asai Cassette for their

1181
01:31:13,001 --> 01:31:17,612
needs. Certainly their needs with respect to the graduates that

1182
01:31:17,612 --> 01:31:21,570
come out of our programs, but also. In their specific

1183
01:31:21,570 --> 01:31:27,732
needs. For their actual. Products themselves. And we've been very

1184
01:31:27,732 --> 01:31:31,212
much involved with the recruitment of Hasai Casse into the

1185
01:31:31,212 --> 01:31:34,172
region. They visited the college five or six times as

1186
01:31:34,172 --> 01:31:36,132
they were trying to make up their minds. As to

1187
01:31:36,132 --> 01:31:41,163
where they were going to locate. And so. We're fairly

1188
01:31:41,163 --> 01:31:45,043
closely related to in their plans, and we'll continue doing

1189
01:31:45,043 --> 01:31:48,962
so. Gordy. And I would just say through you, Mr.

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01:31:48,962 --> 01:31:54,268
Mayor, to the councilor, that. The programs that they would

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01:31:54,268 --> 01:31:57,908
be interested in are based in Wellland. At the technology

1192
01:31:57,908 --> 01:32:01,868
programs, the engineering, technology and other programs are in Wellland,

1193
01:32:01,868 --> 01:32:06,617
and so the base. For those new programs. Micro credentials.

1194
01:32:06,617 --> 01:32:10,656
Others training would be in Wellland, okay? Thank you through

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01:32:10,656 --> 01:32:12,656
Mr. Mayor. Just one last piece because there is such

1196
01:32:12,656 --> 01:32:16,065
interest. I'm just asking if you could send us notification

1197
01:32:16,065 --> 01:32:18,825
when that does come, because it's. Quite unique in terms

1198
01:32:18,825 --> 01:32:20,945
of a selling point for us to be advertising and

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01:32:20,945 --> 01:32:25,065
helping to make that connection to residents, that what's happening

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01:32:25,065 --> 01:32:29,865
in our neighboring towns and cities have an economic impact

1201
01:32:29,865 --> 01:32:31,865
here. And here's how they can get involved. I know

1202
01:32:31,865 --> 01:32:34,536
from speaking to some residents already that there. Is an

1203
01:32:34,536 --> 01:32:37,376
interest, so they don't know how and where they can

1204
01:32:37,376 --> 01:32:40,216
kind of keep connected. Knowing that it's further down the

1205
01:32:40,216 --> 01:32:42,736
road. So we'd very much appreciate that. Thank you. Thank

1206
01:32:42,736 --> 01:32:48,592
you. Thank you, Councilor Green. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1207
01:32:48,592 --> 01:32:50,552
And thank you for coming in. Just to give us

1208
01:32:50,552 --> 01:32:53,032
this overview. So just a couple of questions. First one

1209
01:32:53,032 --> 01:32:57,913
I had. So you mentioned. The expansion. Of the student

1210
01:32:57,913 --> 01:33:02,018
residence. And certainly fair point to note that the housing

1211
01:33:02,018 --> 01:33:07,227
challenges. And having. That expanded student residence. So do you

1212
01:33:07,227 --> 01:33:11,507
have any timing of that? And how many additional units

1213
01:33:11,507 --> 01:33:15,027
are you looking to add to that to your site

1214
01:33:15,027 --> 01:33:18,517
in Welland? Through you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for the

1215
01:33:18,517 --> 01:33:22,554
question, councilor. We would anticipate. In the area of about

1216
01:33:22,554 --> 01:33:29,830
300. Beds. We would expect to break ground on that

1217
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:33,533
project. Within the next calendar year, within the next twelve

1218
01:33:33,533 --> 01:33:42,820
months. It's one of the projects that. We're advancing. As

1219
01:33:42,820 --> 01:33:45,100
a priority, and so I would suspect that within the

1220
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:48,769
next year, We'll have groundbreaking. And we're just looking now

1221
01:33:48,769 --> 01:33:53,849
at design of that residence and some other components, but

1222
01:33:53,849 --> 01:33:57,843
it is something that will happen. In fairly short order,

1223
01:33:57,843 --> 01:34:01,203
councilor. Yeah. Thank you. Through your mayor, and I appreciate

1224
01:34:01,203 --> 01:34:03,523
the answer and that's good news, obviously, for you, but

1225
01:34:03,523 --> 01:34:07,258
just also for the community. In general. And the next

1226
01:34:07,258 --> 01:34:10,778
question I have so obviously, you look at the expanded

1227
01:34:10,778 --> 01:34:16,753
student residents, the expanded applied health institute. You are a

1228
01:34:16,753 --> 01:34:19,993
little bit limited in land, so I guess, and I

1229
01:34:19,993 --> 01:34:21,473
don't know if you have an answer to this? Or

1230
01:34:21,473 --> 01:34:25,433
if you're looking 1020 years ahead, but are you getting

1231
01:34:25,433 --> 01:34:27,273
to a point where you may need to acquire new

1232
01:34:27,273 --> 01:34:35,896
land? To continue expanding the college. Through you, Mr. Mayor.

1233
01:34:35,896 --> 01:34:38,296
And Dr. Nantel may want to add to this, I

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01:34:38,296 --> 01:34:41,816
think for the three projects that we've identified as the

1235
01:34:41,816 --> 01:34:46,575
priorities for this next phase of growth. We have the

1236
01:34:46,575 --> 01:34:52,025
appropria. Appropriate land resources to do that. We also have

1237
01:34:52,025 --> 01:34:56,670
a campus in Naglan Lake, obviously. Where half of our

1238
01:34:56,670 --> 01:35:01,683
students are located. So for these projects that we've talked

1239
01:35:01,683 --> 01:35:06,665
about tonight, We are able to accommodate those. On the

1240
01:35:06,665 --> 01:35:11,745
current campus footprint. Okay. Councilor. Yeah. So, questions? I have.

1241
01:35:11,745 --> 01:35:14,625
Thanks for coming in and. Giving us an overview. Thank

1242
01:35:14,625 --> 01:35:20,848
you. Councilor Richard. Sorry, Councilor shark. Push your button again,

1243
01:35:20,848 --> 01:35:26,673
please. Go ahead. Thank you. Cubair Campion to our presenters.

1244
01:35:30,235 --> 01:35:33,355
Actually watching the news of Bleat, we're certainly going to

1245
01:35:33,355 --> 01:35:35,875
be experiencing some issues. With the United States and the

1246
01:35:35,875 --> 01:35:42,573
Canada borders. Is the college prepared for training? And obviously

1247
01:35:42,573 --> 01:35:44,373
there's going to be a need for increase in the

1248
01:35:44,373 --> 01:35:49,536
customs officers. Is the college ready to accommodate training or

1249
01:35:49,536 --> 01:35:54,462
do we have such Shetnagra College? Not sure either gord

1250
01:35:54,462 --> 01:35:56,622
or I or the best person to answer the question,

1251
01:35:56,622 --> 01:36:03,803
but I'll attempt something. We do have police foundation at

1252
01:36:03,803 --> 01:36:09,806
the college. One or two programs that address public safety

1253
01:36:09,806 --> 01:36:14,804
and security. And so it's likely possible that if there

1254
01:36:14,804 --> 01:36:18,895
is a need, that we could increase numbers. There. We

1255
01:36:18,895 --> 01:36:24,607
don't have specifically border. Security programs at this time. And

1256
01:36:24,607 --> 01:36:29,346
none immediately plan. You have to remember that the current

1257
01:36:29,346 --> 01:36:33,226
developments are rather recent, so if they get themselves to

1258
01:36:33,226 --> 01:36:36,626
be an extended need. We certainly could look at that.

1259
01:36:38,249 --> 01:36:40,609
Councilor. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. I think

1260
01:36:40,609 --> 01:36:45,354
we're going to possibly be seeing the need. And I

1261
01:36:45,354 --> 01:36:48,251
guess I have no further questions, but. I appreciate they

1262
01:36:48,251 --> 01:36:51,051
would have to possibly take the police courses that you

1263
01:36:51,051 --> 01:36:55,299
have to offer as well. They train in customs as

1264
01:36:55,299 --> 01:36:58,779
well as the police courses as well, so that would

1265
01:36:58,779 --> 01:37:03,502
be a stepping. Stone numbers. The first stepping stone to

1266
01:37:03,502 --> 01:37:06,693
get into that type of career. I guess I have

1267
01:37:06,693 --> 01:37:10,573
no further questions. And I thank you, and I'll see

1268
01:37:10,573 --> 01:37:13,973
Mr. Nantel. And Mr. Urbo for your presentation tonight. You're

1269
01:37:13,973 --> 01:37:20,809
welcome. Councilor mcleod. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Through you. Obviously the

1270
01:37:20,809 --> 01:37:27,143
truncating of international students. Is problematic. From resources. You have

1271
01:37:27,143 --> 01:37:31,326
to come to your college or our college. And you

1272
01:37:31,326 --> 01:37:33,326
do a really good job of connecting with local employers

1273
01:37:33,326 --> 01:37:38,168
and trying to provide. The employees of the future. Is

1274
01:37:38,168 --> 01:37:41,848
there a strategy in place where you're connecting with local

1275
01:37:41,848 --> 01:37:47,140
high schools more vigorously to try. And. Get more interest

1276
01:37:47,140 --> 01:37:51,731
earlier on. Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. As a

1277
01:37:51,731 --> 01:37:55,758
matter of fact, tomorrow morning. A number of us will

1278
01:37:55,758 --> 01:37:59,678
be visiting local high schools and presenting offers of admission.

1279
01:38:01,075 --> 01:38:04,364
To unsuspecting students. One of the recruiting measures we take.

1280
01:38:06,021 --> 01:38:09,461
Through the year to visit students and to present their

1281
01:38:09,461 --> 01:38:12,168
offers in person. It's a bit of a sort of

1282
01:38:12,168 --> 01:38:16,748
like publisher's clearinghouse, if you remember. Those commercials. We have

1283
01:38:16,748 --> 01:38:23,706
a really multifaceted. Recruitment. Strategy. If some of you have

1284
01:38:23,706 --> 01:38:28,026
watched NFL football or hockey or the world junior hockey

1285
01:38:28,026 --> 01:38:31,866
championships, you would have seen Niagara College advertise quite heavily

1286
01:38:31,866 --> 01:38:33,986
during those periods. One of the things we've done over

1287
01:38:33,986 --> 01:38:37,426
the last couple of years has invested more in recruitment

1288
01:38:37,426 --> 01:38:42,368
marketing to introduce. Wellned and Niagara College to. A broader

1289
01:38:42,368 --> 01:38:49,619
audience. We are actively involved. In a variety of recruitment

1290
01:38:49,619 --> 01:38:54,179
initiatives in our local high schools, including around programs like

1291
01:38:54,179 --> 01:39:03,160
skill trades and healthcare to diversify. Applications, so. That students

1292
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,960
from underrepresented groups in those traits who might not think

1293
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,294
that this is a career option for them. Councilor are

1294
01:39:10,294 --> 01:39:15,672
introduced. To those areas, so. It's probably another half hour

1295
01:39:15,672 --> 01:39:19,272
or 45 minutes. Presentation or conversation, one of the things

1296
01:39:19,272 --> 01:39:24,065
we have done, because we've realized. It's a very competitive

1297
01:39:24,065 --> 01:39:29,299
market. For high school students. Is to diversify our recruitment

1298
01:39:29,299 --> 01:39:33,059
strategies. And working with guidance counselors and high schools is

1299
01:39:33,059 --> 01:39:36,957
a central part of that. And it's tough to look

1300
01:39:36,957 --> 01:39:39,077
at you and talk at the same time. You're supposed

1301
01:39:39,077 --> 01:39:41,717
to be looking at me anyway. Okay. Through you, Mr.

1302
01:39:41,717 --> 01:39:47,261
Mayor. Another interesting event that we'll be having in March

1303
01:39:47,261 --> 01:39:50,501
is we're bringing to the well on campus. A first

1304
01:39:50,501 --> 01:39:55,791
robotic competition. Which to describe it is high school students

1305
01:39:55,791 --> 01:39:59,071
in January are giving a challenge to build a 120

1306
01:39:59,071 --> 01:40:05,681
pound. Fridge size robot and to accomplish some goal in

1307
01:40:05,681 --> 01:40:10,688
a game. And teams from high schools throughout Ontario will

1308
01:40:10,688 --> 01:40:13,408
come too well in to see our campus and compete.

1309
01:40:14,723 --> 01:40:18,168
In a three day event. And it's a great recruiting

1310
01:40:18,168 --> 01:40:21,368
opportunity, and I'm very proud that we've been selected as

1311
01:40:21,368 --> 01:40:25,968
one of the first robotic competition sites going forward. So

1312
01:40:25,968 --> 01:40:33,129
just an example. Wow. Fantastic. Councilor. Thank you. I assumed

1313
01:40:33,129 --> 01:40:37,132
you had a strategy. It sounds great. I guess. I'm

1314
01:40:37,132 --> 01:40:40,572
sure you've thought about this. The sooner you can connect

1315
01:40:40,572 --> 01:40:45,924
the better it is. Grade nine, grade ten. My son's

1316
01:40:45,924 --> 01:40:47,524
in green eleven, is still trying to figure out what

1317
01:40:47,524 --> 01:40:51,743
he'd like. To do, which is okay. But getting people

1318
01:40:51,743 --> 01:40:55,583
familiar with college, getting them familiar with you, makes it

1319
01:40:55,583 --> 01:40:59,023
easier for them to consider. It as an opportunity. And

1320
01:40:59,023 --> 01:41:01,543
I really think if you do the legwork early on,

1321
01:41:01,543 --> 01:41:05,293
it's. Great for both, so thank you very much. Okay,

1322
01:41:05,293 --> 01:41:08,093
I don't have any other speakers or questions for you,

1323
01:41:08,093 --> 01:41:09,613
so we do have a motion. I'll go to the

1324
01:41:09,613 --> 01:41:12,853
clerk to introduce the motion, and then I'll also. Ask

1325
01:41:12,853 --> 01:41:16,853
her to execute the vote after that. Thanks through you,

1326
01:41:16,853 --> 01:41:18,413
Mr. Mayor. The motion is that the council of the

1327
01:41:18,413 --> 01:41:23,102
City of Welland receives information the presentation. By Niagara College

1328
01:41:23,102 --> 01:41:26,142
regarding an update on its activities. I need to move

1329
01:41:26,142 --> 01:41:28,182
her and secondary for that. Move by council McLeod, second

1330
01:41:28,182 --> 01:41:31,951
by Councilor Lee. I don't have any comments, so I'll

1331
01:41:31,951 --> 01:41:35,151
ask the clerk to push through the vote. Voting is

1332
01:41:35,151 --> 01:41:40,370
open. Sorry, councilor McLeod, you wanted to comment? I did,

1333
01:41:40,370 --> 01:41:45,246
mr. Mayor. Sorry through you. This is an appropriate time

1334
01:41:45,246 --> 01:41:48,606
for comments, correct? Correct. Fair enough. So that's what I'll

1335
01:41:48,606 --> 01:41:52,364
use the time for. I just like to state that.

1336
01:41:54,047 --> 01:41:58,562
When rents are high. And people are thinking about moving

1337
01:41:58,562 --> 01:42:01,531
away. Do you have a great choice here in your

1338
01:42:01,531 --> 01:42:05,768
local college? If it fits with your ambitions to go

1339
01:42:05,768 --> 01:42:09,768
to a local college, save money, get through college debt.

1340
01:42:09,768 --> 01:42:15,718
Free and. Have a greater opportunity moving forward. For employment

1341
01:42:15,718 --> 01:42:19,158
and starting off on the right foot after you've graduated

1342
01:42:19,158 --> 01:42:23,158
Niagara College is an applied college, meaning you get real

1343
01:42:23,158 --> 01:42:28,078
world skills that are marketable and usable and clients and

1344
01:42:28,078 --> 01:42:31,557
businesses are looking for. And you need to take a

1345
01:42:31,557 --> 01:42:36,397
serious look at your local college as an opportunity to

1346
01:42:36,397 --> 01:42:38,917
give you the skill set to move forward in life.

1347
01:42:38,917 --> 01:42:42,159
Thank you. Thank you. So now I will go to

1348
01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:44,574
the clerk. Voting is open.

1349
01:42:52,454 --> 01:42:53,214
That motion carried.

1350
01:43:02,650 --> 01:43:04,930
Thank you. Thank you very much for your. You can

1351
01:43:04,930 --> 01:43:06,370
just stay there for a while if you feel like

1352
01:43:06,370 --> 01:43:11,213
it. Fest seats in the house. So thank you very

1353
01:43:11,213 --> 01:43:12,853
much for your presentation and thanks for all the work

1354
01:43:12,853 --> 01:43:15,013
you do for our community and for the people of,

1355
01:43:15,013 --> 01:43:19,673
well. He's got the socks. I'm beautiful. Mabel, where are

1356
01:43:19,673 --> 01:43:24,832
yours? Okay. All right, well, thank you for that. So

1357
01:43:24,832 --> 01:43:28,196
we will move on now. And go to the clerk

1358
01:43:28,196 --> 01:43:31,436
to introduce items that have been removed from block. Madam

1359
01:43:31,436 --> 01:43:35,316
clerk through you. Mr. Mayor. The first item is 5.1.

1360
01:43:35,316 --> 01:43:39,356
Pages 19 to 22. It's 2024. Highlights pulled by councilor

1361
01:43:39,356 --> 01:43:44,082
McLeod. Is there a secondary for that? Second by Councilor

1362
01:43:44,082 --> 01:43:47,522
Green. And before we get started, Mr. Axic. Do you

1363
01:43:47,522 --> 01:43:50,292
want to introduce it? Or how do you want to

1364
01:43:50,292 --> 01:43:54,092
handle that? Sure. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So the report

1365
01:43:54,092 --> 01:43:58,790
before you tonight highlights some of the 2024 accomplishments. When

1366
01:43:58,790 --> 01:44:03,445
you pause and reflect on these accomplishments. We really have

1367
01:44:03,445 --> 01:44:05,405
done a lot and a lot to be proud of.

1368
01:44:06,710 --> 01:44:08,150
The report provides a snapshot of some of the key

1369
01:44:08,150 --> 01:44:12,030
initiatives, all in alignment with the well and strategic plan

1370
01:44:12,030 --> 01:44:15,350
staff take direction from council and have implemented these initiatives

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01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:18,630
at your direction. I can speak for staff that we

1372
01:44:18,630 --> 01:44:23,110
are proud. Proud of what we've done and what we've.

1373
01:44:23,110 --> 01:44:28,474
Accomplished collectively with council. Moving forward. Our continued work on

1374
01:44:28,474 --> 01:44:31,834
cohesion is also mentioned in the report as an opportunity

1375
01:44:31,834 --> 01:44:35,234
for all I look forward to an ambitious and productive

1376
01:44:35,234 --> 01:44:38,919
2025. Thank you for that. So I'll go back to

1377
01:44:38,919 --> 01:44:43,035
council. McLeod, did you speak to that? Motion. Thanks, Mr.

1378
01:44:43,035 --> 01:44:45,035
Mayor. In brevity, I would just like to state that

1379
01:44:45,035 --> 01:44:51,644
I think Mr. Akshek's articulated correctly. We've had an impressive

1380
01:44:51,644 --> 01:44:56,953
2024. A lot of it came to completion in 2024,

1381
01:44:56,953 --> 01:44:59,873
but the planning and the vision came well. Before, and

1382
01:44:59,873 --> 01:45:03,447
I guess that's. What I tried to remind myself as

1383
01:45:03,447 --> 01:45:05,487
I looked at them that we need to continue to

1384
01:45:05,487 --> 01:45:09,757
strategically move forward. And continually invest in our community so

1385
01:45:09,757 --> 01:45:12,717
that we can continue to say the great things that

1386
01:45:12,717 --> 01:45:18,498
we've completed. In terms of. Making our community more resilient.

1387
01:45:20,928 --> 01:45:24,768
And better in terms of being able to adapt to

1388
01:45:24,768 --> 01:45:28,738
climate change. What components do we see for that in

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01:45:28,738 --> 01:45:34,863
2025? If any, mr. Axia. Through you, Mr. Mayor. So

1390
01:45:34,863 --> 01:45:39,176
that is definitely part of our strategic plan. We had

1391
01:45:39,176 --> 01:45:42,056
brought forward a request for that type of position in

1392
01:45:42,056 --> 01:45:46,016
the budget process, but prioritized it didn't get prioritized as

1393
01:45:46,016 --> 01:45:49,096
one of those that said, we still want to ensure

1394
01:45:49,096 --> 01:45:51,496
that we are trying to meet any of our climate

1395
01:45:51,496 --> 01:45:56,038
change environmental type targets. So we are looking to implement

1396
01:45:56,038 --> 01:46:01,172
a number of different initiatives, policy type initiatives. Through both

1397
01:46:01,172 --> 01:46:05,310
our planning and our engineering departments, as well as. Through

1398
01:46:05,310 --> 01:46:08,983
community services. So anticipate some of those to come forward,

1399
01:46:08,983 --> 01:46:10,863
and we're going to try to find creative ways of

1400
01:46:10,863 --> 01:46:14,650
bringing those initiatives forward to council. For your review. Part

1401
01:46:14,650 --> 01:46:17,490
of that is also identified there as in one of

1402
01:46:17,490 --> 01:46:20,690
the bullets in 2025. Related to the forest street plan

1403
01:46:20,690 --> 01:46:24,966
that we want to bring forward as well. Councilor. Thank

1404
01:46:24,966 --> 01:46:27,766
you. I look forward to that. Thanks again, Mr. Axek.

1405
01:46:27,766 --> 01:46:30,286
And thank you to. Staff and my colleagues for the

1406
01:46:30,286 --> 01:46:36,659
successes in 2024. Thank you, Councilor Green. Thank you. Three.

1407
01:46:36,659 --> 01:46:40,539
Mr. Merritt, Mr. Axiak, I appreciate your summary here. Just

1408
01:46:40,539 --> 01:46:45,399
a couple of questions. So opening new green spaces and

1409
01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:50,154
amenities. I know there's a project on Mount Wellan that

1410
01:46:50,154 --> 01:46:54,416
we've had some conversations. With in the past. Do we

1411
01:46:54,416 --> 01:47:00,943
foresee any plans? Coming to council in 2025 for Mount

1412
01:47:00,943 --> 01:47:05,116
Wellend and what we plan. And costing and whatnot and

1413
01:47:05,116 --> 01:47:10,444
phasing of that. New amenity or new green space. Mr.

1414
01:47:10,444 --> 01:47:13,324
Axe through Mr. Mayors. So, yeah, the bullet that was

1415
01:47:13,324 --> 01:47:17,034
identified there in terms of opening new green space. It

1416
01:47:17,034 --> 01:47:19,194
is definitely referring to some of our new developments, especially

1417
01:47:19,194 --> 01:47:23,194
in the Dane City area, related to empire development. So

1418
01:47:23,194 --> 01:47:25,434
that's a lot of the green space, as well as

1419
01:47:25,434 --> 01:47:29,842
many of our trail connections throughout the city. More specifically

1420
01:47:29,842 --> 01:47:33,442
related to your Mount Welland Vista park. I've heard a

1421
01:47:33,442 --> 01:47:37,202
whole bunch of different names for this particular project, which

1422
01:47:37,202 --> 01:47:41,089
I do find quite interesting. And part of it will

1423
01:47:41,089 --> 01:47:46,923
be. Our initial discussions with council. Related to the feasibility

1424
01:47:46,923 --> 01:47:49,483
portion of it and is the land ready and when

1425
01:47:49,483 --> 01:47:51,563
will it be ready? So that information will come forth

1426
01:47:51,563 --> 01:47:56,145
to council this year. Councilor Green. Yeah. Thank you, Mr.

1427
01:47:56,145 --> 01:48:01,124
Mayor. And Mr. Axiak. I call it Mount Welland. What

1428
01:48:01,124 --> 01:48:04,763
I continue to call it. My last question. So we

1429
01:48:04,763 --> 01:48:08,323
look at the last bullet point here. Regards to working.

1430
01:48:09,399 --> 01:48:14,248
With Niagara health. Is it safe to say between the

1431
01:48:14,248 --> 01:48:18,288
mayor and our cao that we're still as a city

1432
01:48:18,288 --> 01:48:23,700
advocating for well, in hospital. When I read that, that's

1433
01:48:23,700 --> 01:48:25,620
the first thing I thought of was the well and

1434
01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:28,940
hospital. Site. I know that is a pretty significant concern

1435
01:48:28,940 --> 01:48:32,620
to the community, especially as we continue to add new

1436
01:48:32,620 --> 01:48:37,905
housing and new residents. What the hospital is going to

1437
01:48:37,905 --> 01:48:39,465
look like in the years to come. So it's a

1438
01:48:39,465 --> 01:48:42,930
concern for the community. So I'll take your answer on

1439
01:48:42,930 --> 01:48:47,290
that one, Mr. Axiac, through Mr. Mayor, and feel. Free

1440
01:48:47,290 --> 01:48:49,530
to jump in because I know this is near and

1441
01:48:49,530 --> 01:48:51,090
dear to you as well. I put both of you

1442
01:48:51,090 --> 01:48:54,480
on that? Yes. For sure. And that's why I have

1443
01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:57,280
it on the list, because the partnership with the Niagara

1444
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:01,604
Health system is an incredibly important partnership for us. In

1445
01:49:01,604 --> 01:49:04,364
many different ways. This doesn't mean for us to necessarily

1446
01:49:04,364 --> 01:49:07,404
take over anything related to health care, but our role

1447
01:49:07,404 --> 01:49:10,684
is advocacy related to what we want and need here.

1448
01:49:12,206 --> 01:49:14,686
In the municipalities. So we will bring that information forward

1449
01:49:14,686 --> 01:49:18,129
to council in terms of partnerships. And what we can

1450
01:49:18,129 --> 01:49:20,249
be doing and what we're advocating for throughout the course

1451
01:49:20,249 --> 01:49:25,143
of this. Year. Just add that to Mr. Akshack. Has

1452
01:49:25,143 --> 01:49:28,423
been very helpful in this particular case. He's always helpful.

1453
01:49:29,410 --> 01:49:33,033
But. Working on the Wellin hospital has been an ongoing

1454
01:49:33,033 --> 01:49:36,393
process for many years, and I'm glad to have Mr.

1455
01:49:36,393 --> 01:49:43,713
Axiak on the team here. Because. He's sort of the.

1456
01:49:45,018 --> 01:49:48,858
Calmer influence in the whole process. So we're working very

1457
01:49:48,858 --> 01:49:51,898
well with the NHs. We're working well with the province

1458
01:49:51,898 --> 01:49:54,458
as well at the same time, and when I'm talking

1459
01:49:54,458 --> 01:49:57,658
about the province. We're working with the NHS, but also

1460
01:49:57,658 --> 01:50:02,411
advocating through different channels. At the provincial level through different

1461
01:50:02,411 --> 01:50:05,731
ministries. If they want us to build more houses, municipal

1462
01:50:05,731 --> 01:50:09,211
housing, we need to have the services available to the

1463
01:50:09,211 --> 01:50:11,291
residents as they come in, so in order for us

1464
01:50:11,291 --> 01:50:13,411
to achieve those objectives that they've set for us, we

1465
01:50:13,411 --> 01:50:15,451
need to be able to service them through the health

1466
01:50:15,451 --> 01:50:18,731
care system. So it's a multi pronged approach, and we

1467
01:50:18,731 --> 01:50:22,128
are making progress. And certainly a lot of things are

1468
01:50:22,128 --> 01:50:26,963
beginning to kind of boil up. As the hospital. At

1469
01:50:26,963 --> 01:50:31,418
the hospital in Niagara fall is under construction. Which then

1470
01:50:31,418 --> 01:50:34,258
allows the province to focus in the NHS to focus

1471
01:50:34,258 --> 01:50:38,298
on this site, which is guaranteed. To be a part

1472
01:50:38,298 --> 01:50:40,658
of the hospital system, but of course, we are looking

1473
01:50:40,658 --> 01:50:45,138
for more and more. Opportunities for that facility within our

1474
01:50:45,138 --> 01:50:48,418
community. So ongoing process, but certainly it's top of mind.

1475
01:50:48,418 --> 01:50:50,418
On every time we talk to the profits and the

1476
01:50:50,418 --> 01:50:53,824
NH. NHS council green okay, thank you both for your

1477
01:50:53,824 --> 01:50:58,813
answers on that. That's the questions I had. Councilor Kyokyo.

1478
01:50:58,813 --> 01:51:00,893
Thank you to Mary Camp and some good points. I'm

1479
01:51:00,893 --> 01:51:02,293
going. To get into the weeds a little bit here.

1480
01:51:03,956 --> 01:51:07,756
To Mr. Axiac. We look at our infrastructure projects that

1481
01:51:07,756 --> 01:51:12,179
are way behind. Three, four, five years that have been

1482
01:51:12,179 --> 01:51:18,147
funded. This past budget, staff has come to hire some

1483
01:51:18,147 --> 01:51:21,667
key positions. We keep hearing that we need those. Positions

1484
01:51:21,667 --> 01:51:25,106
to catch up. Do we have a number or do

1485
01:51:25,106 --> 01:51:27,906
you have a number of how many infrastructure projects we're

1486
01:51:27,906 --> 01:51:32,546
behind in as far as millions and how far back

1487
01:51:32,546 --> 01:51:36,851
they go and what your intentions are. To make sure

1488
01:51:36,851 --> 01:51:41,445
that those get caught up fairly quickly. I'll go to

1489
01:51:41,445 --> 01:51:43,925
Mr. Axia. But I can understand if we are getting

1490
01:51:43,925 --> 01:51:46,125
into the weeds. It's not perhaps prepared for that. But,

1491
01:51:46,125 --> 01:51:49,005
Mr. Axia, comment theory, Mr. Mayor, so. I will keep

1492
01:51:49,005 --> 01:51:52,357
at it a bit higher of a level. I don't

1493
01:51:52,357 --> 01:51:55,437
have a specific number for you, but we have discussed

1494
01:51:55,437 --> 01:51:59,930
in great length the asset management plan. And this particular

1495
01:51:59,930 --> 01:52:03,090
year, we're going to be connecting the asset management plan

1496
01:52:03,090 --> 01:52:06,010
and the gap. In terms of what our needs are

1497
01:52:06,010 --> 01:52:09,604
and what we're able to fund. In our finance plan,

1498
01:52:09,604 --> 01:52:13,284
and that's what's on the docket for this particular year.

1499
01:52:13,284 --> 01:52:15,924
So more of that information again that we've already discussed

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01:52:15,924 --> 01:52:18,124
in great length through the consultant we hired to help

1501
01:52:18,124 --> 01:52:21,364
us with that plan. We'll come forward this year. Prior

1502
01:52:21,364 --> 01:52:23,844
to the budget process and then linked nicely into the

1503
01:52:23,844 --> 01:52:27,404
budget process. So, yes, we are, we have a huge

1504
01:52:27,404 --> 01:52:33,148
backlog. Yes. Council needs to prioritize in terms of how

1505
01:52:33,148 --> 01:52:36,868
much we can actually afford every year to go forward,

1506
01:52:36,868 --> 01:52:39,108
then council did a great job. As much as we

1507
01:52:39,108 --> 01:52:42,028
possibly can in terms of trying. To fund those projects

1508
01:52:42,028 --> 01:52:46,664
this year. That said. We always do need more. We

1509
01:52:46,664 --> 01:52:50,184
have to also be creative with this, because if there's

1510
01:52:50,184 --> 01:52:52,224
ways not to just put it on the property tax

1511
01:52:52,224 --> 01:52:54,384
in terms of some of the funding and we can

1512
01:52:54,384 --> 01:52:56,704
find those creative ways, like I've identified in the report.

1513
01:52:58,331 --> 01:53:04,130
Through. Receiving grants or funds from upper level government. Is

1514
01:53:04,130 --> 01:53:05,890
a really important thing that we really need to continue

1515
01:53:05,890 --> 01:53:10,905
to keep our eye on as well. Councilor. Thanks. That's

1516
01:53:10,905 --> 01:53:13,345
not really the question I was asking. What's going on

1517
01:53:13,345 --> 01:53:15,745
in the future? I'm asking projects that are behind, that

1518
01:53:15,745 --> 01:53:18,505
have been funded, that are two, three, four or five

1519
01:53:18,505 --> 01:53:24,314
years. That have been funded years ago that. We're still

1520
01:53:24,314 --> 01:53:26,034
not got the shovels in the ground. We still haven't

1521
01:53:26,034 --> 01:53:29,141
done. Those projects. We can talk about going in the

1522
01:53:29,141 --> 01:53:31,581
future and asset management and what are we going to

1523
01:53:31,581 --> 01:53:34,621
do? Then. But I'm talking about projects, and that's why

1524
01:53:34,621 --> 01:53:36,901
I think I like to see the number. How many

1525
01:53:36,901 --> 01:53:38,821
projects are we behind? I know we don't have that

1526
01:53:38,821 --> 01:53:42,085
right. Now. But can we get an update as far

1527
01:53:42,085 --> 01:53:45,925
as what's behind? How far behind what are those numbers,

1528
01:53:45,925 --> 01:53:48,805
what's been approved. And what are we going to do

1529
01:53:48,805 --> 01:53:51,605
going forward to bring all those projects up to date.

1530
01:53:53,452 --> 01:53:55,572
Three, Mr. Mayor. So that's a fair question. And we

1531
01:53:55,572 --> 01:53:58,892
bring those reports forward as part of our capital backlog,

1532
01:53:58,892 --> 01:54:00,412
and you will be in receipt of those, and we

1533
01:54:00,412 --> 01:54:05,186
bring those forward. Quarterly. So there will be a plan

1534
01:54:05,186 --> 01:54:09,995
going forward on how we can resolve those issues. I

1535
01:54:09,995 --> 01:54:15,205
would think. Mr. Ag? That's correct. Yeah. One more question

1536
01:54:15,205 --> 01:54:18,005
to you, Mayor Campion, and I'm going here on some

1537
01:54:18,005 --> 01:54:22,605
residents. And what they're finding. Through you. Why does it

1538
01:54:22,605 --> 01:54:25,325
take two, three, four business days to get some answers

1539
01:54:25,325 --> 01:54:28,045
from residents or. Counselors on topics. And I'll give you

1540
01:54:28,045 --> 01:54:29,925
a quick example. This week I had an issue with

1541
01:54:29,925 --> 01:54:33,405
a resident with hydro, and I had that result within

1542
01:54:33,405 --> 01:54:37,129
an hour. Why are we looking at. And I have.

1543
01:54:37,129 --> 01:54:39,409
I can bring this up later, but when we have.

1544
01:54:39,409 --> 01:54:43,679
Emails about certain specific things. And we're getting counselor, I

1545
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:45,999
don't think that's a part of the. Report that was

1546
01:54:45,999 --> 01:54:48,959
brought forward. You're not speaking to the report just before.

1547
01:54:50,672 --> 01:54:52,232
You have issues with something beyond that. Well, it's not

1548
01:54:52,232 --> 01:54:54,312
an issue, it's just. Basically. Well, I'm just saying it's

1549
01:54:54,312 --> 01:54:56,752
not part of the report, so it's. Not an appropriate

1550
01:54:56,752 --> 01:55:00,518
question to the report itself. So do I need to

1551
01:55:00,518 --> 01:55:04,069
email? What Mr. Aksiac has done to provide you with

1552
01:55:04,069 --> 01:55:07,309
an update on sort of what's. Occurred. I'm talking about

1553
01:55:07,309 --> 01:55:09,549
why it takes so long to get answers from residents.

1554
01:55:09,549 --> 01:55:12,669
Well. That's not an appropriate question for this particular item

1555
01:55:12,669 --> 01:55:18,280
that's on the agenda. All right. Thank you. Councilor, focus.

1556
01:55:20,352 --> 01:55:23,352
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for this report, Mr.

1557
01:55:23,352 --> 01:55:26,792
Axac, but I think you did leave. One of the

1558
01:55:26,792 --> 01:55:31,072
highlights off, and that was the overnight emergency shelter that

1559
01:55:31,072 --> 01:55:35,712
the city funded the first quarter of 2024 through partnership

1560
01:55:35,712 --> 01:55:41,652
with Holy Trinity and beyond the streets. And an amazing

1561
01:55:41,652 --> 01:55:45,212
amount of volunteers and the donations of food and clothes,

1562
01:55:45,212 --> 01:55:49,612
I think that was a strong win for Welland and

1563
01:55:49,612 --> 01:55:53,665
what we can do with the city. But looking ahead

1564
01:55:53,665 --> 01:56:00,026
to 2025. There's the introduction of a forestry management plan

1565
01:56:00,026 --> 01:56:05,529
and related bylaws, so I will be asking you. Since

1566
01:56:05,529 --> 01:56:09,129
the outstanding resolution list isn't coming to council anymore, it's

1567
01:56:09,129 --> 01:56:11,529
going through the information packages so we don't get a

1568
01:56:11,529 --> 01:56:16,660
chance to ask. Does that mean? The motion that I

1569
01:56:16,660 --> 01:56:21,701
put through for the tree bylaw in 2018. For addressing

1570
01:56:21,701 --> 01:56:25,889
the urban. Canopy, by law, will be coming through this

1571
01:56:25,889 --> 01:56:32,255
year. Finally. Mr. Aksec through you, Mr. Mayor. So the

1572
01:56:32,255 --> 01:56:35,135
way it was explained previously is that we are working

1573
01:56:35,135 --> 01:56:38,055
on some of those details through the official plan process,

1574
01:56:38,055 --> 01:56:41,415
and from that process, a number of these different bylaws

1575
01:56:41,415 --> 01:56:44,295
and policies will be coming forward for council to review.

1576
01:56:44,295 --> 01:56:46,775
So the bullet that you see there kind of captures

1577
01:56:46,775 --> 01:56:50,368
kind of what we're looking to do. Moving forward. Because

1578
01:56:50,368 --> 01:56:53,608
tree canopy seems to be an important piece for council,

1579
01:56:53,608 --> 01:56:56,088
and as part of our strategic plan, as well, councilor.

1580
01:56:58,125 --> 01:57:03,900
So was that a yes? Mr. Xia? Yes, councilor. Okay,

1581
01:57:03,900 --> 01:57:05,980
that's all I wanted. A yes, sir? No, thank you.

1582
01:57:08,291 --> 01:57:15,559
Councilor demarco. Yes, thank you. On page 21 in the

1583
01:57:15,559 --> 01:57:22,378
first bullet, the creation of a downtown. Revitalization plan. How

1584
01:57:22,378 --> 01:57:24,938
is that going to change? Or how are we going

1585
01:57:24,938 --> 01:57:30,381
to move forward with. This after the unfortunate incident that

1586
01:57:30,381 --> 01:57:36,157
occurred, apparently. Just this past weekend, I think it was.

1587
01:57:37,718 --> 01:57:43,940
And that what we were all informed. Counselor. Sorry, councilor,

1588
01:57:43,940 --> 01:57:46,900
do you have a specific question? I mean, you're asking

1589
01:57:46,900 --> 01:57:51,359
one incident. I'm just trying to clarify. You're asking, Mr.

1590
01:57:51,359 --> 01:57:55,635
Axiac. What is report here? Yes. What changes or how

1591
01:57:55,635 --> 01:58:02,352
can we move forward? After that unfortunate incident a few

1592
01:58:02,352 --> 01:58:10,167
days ago. I don't know that. For changes. Yeah, so

1593
01:58:10,167 --> 01:58:12,607
I'm not sure that Mr. Axiac has an answer to

1594
01:58:12,607 --> 01:58:15,487
that. I can ask him, but something occurred a couple

1595
01:58:15,487 --> 01:58:19,357
of days ago. It's pretty difficult to predict where that's

1596
01:58:19,357 --> 01:58:22,757
going to take us in the future. Mr. Axiac. Three.

1597
01:58:22,757 --> 01:58:26,645
Mr. Mayor. So the downtown revitalization plan. Was scoped out

1598
01:58:26,645 --> 01:58:28,525
as part of the budget process. It's going to be

1599
01:58:28,525 --> 01:58:33,691
coming as phase one. To council for our general committee

1600
01:58:33,691 --> 01:58:35,971
meeting at the end of this month. It's a three.

1601
01:58:35,971 --> 01:58:40,456
Phase process. There's parts of that particular. Plan that do

1602
01:58:40,456 --> 01:58:43,696
speak about safety and security and what that looks like.

1603
01:58:43,696 --> 01:58:46,056
So those items will be incorporated into the plan for

1604
01:58:46,056 --> 01:58:52,634
council to review and comment on. Councilor. Okay? Opening further

1605
01:58:52,634 --> 01:58:56,114
down opening new green space and amenities for the public

1606
01:58:56,114 --> 01:59:00,302
to access. Can you please just elaborate on that a

1607
01:59:00,302 --> 01:59:04,862
bit? Mr. Xac through Mr. Mayor. So, new green. Spaces

1608
01:59:04,862 --> 01:59:08,062
at this time are mainly in the Dane city area

1609
01:59:08,062 --> 01:59:11,262
related to the empire developments, and we have the two

1610
01:59:11,262 --> 01:59:13,502
new large parks that are going into that particular area,

1611
01:59:13,502 --> 01:59:17,000
as well as the adjoining trail system. Anything else, councilor?

1612
01:59:18,969 --> 01:59:25,377
Yeah. The revision of the community services plan. What do

1613
01:59:25,377 --> 01:59:32,859
you have in mind for this? Moving forward. Through, Mr.

1614
01:59:32,859 --> 01:59:35,779
Mayor. So that's part of our parks Rec and Culture

1615
01:59:35,779 --> 01:59:38,859
master plan, and it requires an update on a five

1616
01:59:38,859 --> 01:59:43,934
year basis. It was done in 2019. We're into 2025

1617
01:59:43,934 --> 01:59:48,694
now, so a portion of those years was our pandemic.

1618
01:59:48,694 --> 01:59:51,134
Years as well. So what we're looking to do is

1619
01:59:51,134 --> 01:59:53,774
kind of reestablish many of the recommendations that are noted

1620
01:59:53,774 --> 01:59:57,134
in that particular plan and bring those forward for council

1621
01:59:57,134 --> 02:00:04,358
for review council. Yes, thank you. Seeing we get about

1622
02:00:04,358 --> 02:00:09,399
what, average 1%. Engagement for the launch of a public

1623
02:00:09,399 --> 02:00:18,055
engagement strategy. How do you think? We're going to get

1624
02:00:18,055 --> 02:00:21,695
that number up. So more people than average, usually about

1625
02:00:21,695 --> 02:00:29,791
1%. Participate is that. A true. How can we. Make

1626
02:00:29,791 --> 02:00:35,800
decisions. And move forward. With that type of. Very low

1627
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:42,982
participation. How do you plan on. Increasing that. Mr. Axia

1628
02:00:42,982 --> 02:00:46,982
through mr. Mayor. So I'm not sure exactly what you're

1629
02:00:46,982 --> 02:00:50,557
referring to in terms of a 1%. So I won't

1630
02:00:50,557 --> 02:00:54,574
comment on that particular point, but. The bullet that's in

1631
02:00:54,574 --> 02:00:59,374
there about the public engagement strategy is related to how

1632
02:00:59,374 --> 02:01:01,854
we're going to do public engagement moving forward, and there's

1633
02:01:01,854 --> 02:01:04,494
many different methods we can be. Using for public engagement.

1634
02:01:06,024 --> 02:01:08,224
And many of the things that we are currently doing

1635
02:01:08,224 --> 02:01:11,104
and doing quite well. That said, we can be doing

1636
02:01:11,104 --> 02:01:15,607
more of, and this council. Has explained that they wanted

1637
02:01:15,607 --> 02:01:18,287
to do more of public engagement, and that goes to

1638
02:01:18,287 --> 02:01:21,087
everything from our sideage on developments as an example of

1639
02:01:21,087 --> 02:01:23,887
public engagement, letting people know what's happening on a parcel

1640
02:01:23,887 --> 02:01:28,501
of land to bring people. Into actual sessions where people

1641
02:01:28,501 --> 02:01:32,101
can provide input, not just surveys. Surveys is definitely a

1642
02:01:32,101 --> 02:01:34,581
tool, but there's a variety of others. So what we're

1643
02:01:34,581 --> 02:01:36,501
looking to do as part of this is pull it

1644
02:01:36,501 --> 02:01:39,541
all together. Pull together a full engagement plan and bring

1645
02:01:39,541 --> 02:01:42,421
it to council for some broader discussion so we can

1646
02:01:42,421 --> 02:01:47,724
increase our participation rates, councilor. In regards, can you say

1647
02:01:47,724 --> 02:01:52,026
that there's much more we can do? Why have we

1648
02:01:52,026 --> 02:01:57,372
not done it? As of yet. Why do we need

1649
02:01:57,372 --> 02:02:04,125
to. In regards to that 1%, I'm saying that some

1650
02:02:04,125 --> 02:02:07,905
of the surveys that I've seen. We're lucky to get

1651
02:02:07,905 --> 02:02:15,020
1% of what our total population is responding. So hopefully.

1652
02:02:16,178 --> 02:02:23,134
We can find some method. Of attracting more people. To

1653
02:02:23,134 --> 02:02:28,522
participate, actually. Because we're being called upon to make decisions.

1654
02:02:30,050 --> 02:02:38,226
On 1%. Of our population. We need more input. If

1655
02:02:38,226 --> 02:02:41,500
we're going to go that route. So thank you, council.

1656
02:02:42,887 --> 02:02:45,301
You're at five and a half minutes. You're over your

1657
02:02:45,301 --> 02:02:48,210
time now, so we're going to move on. I have

1658
02:02:48,210 --> 02:02:52,091
one more here. Two minutes over most of the time.

1659
02:02:57,141 --> 02:03:00,861
I got one more question, councilor. You're overtime. Targeting new

1660
02:03:00,861 --> 02:03:04,220
industry for the shipping. We're going to move on. Can

1661
02:03:04,220 --> 02:03:07,720
you give me an update on that? No, councilor. You

1662
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:11,033
had over five minutes. You have to stop. No surprise

1663
02:03:11,033 --> 02:03:13,793
to everybody here. I give you about 20 seconds, and

1664
02:03:13,793 --> 02:03:19,593
then it's time to. Start. Thank you. Targeting new industry

1665
02:03:19,593 --> 02:03:27,231
councilor. Councilor, would you please stop? Okay. All right. I

1666
02:03:27,231 --> 02:03:31,515
have no other speakers at the moment. You are done

1667
02:03:31,515 --> 02:03:35,628
because now you're. Well over your time limit, Councilor DeMarco.

1668
02:03:35,628 --> 02:03:37,748
Well, we took up a last minute or. So we

1669
02:03:37,748 --> 02:03:41,170
have to move on erupting. Normally do. Councilor, you're overtime.

1670
02:03:43,334 --> 02:03:46,613
Councilor Falkins. Thank you. I believe I have a little

1671
02:03:46,613 --> 02:03:51,595
bit of time left. Almost three minutes, councilor. Thank you.

1672
02:03:51,595 --> 02:03:55,035
So, I will ask a question. Targeting new industry for

1673
02:03:55,035 --> 02:03:58,768
the shipping canal. Can you give a brief on what

1674
02:03:58,768 --> 02:04:04,240
that would look like? Mr. Axiac. Mr. Mayor. So through

1675
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:07,480
economic development, we're always targeting different types of industry. That

1676
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:11,080
could be coming to the municipality, of course, bringing in

1677
02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:15,680
industries an important economic and quality of life factor for

1678
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:18,360
the municipality. We have quite the gem in terms of

1679
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:22,691
our shipping canal itself and. That has some interest for

1680
02:04:22,691 --> 02:04:26,811
different types of industries. So what this bullet identifies here

1681
02:04:26,811 --> 02:04:28,771
is that we need to pay some attention to that.

1682
02:04:28,771 --> 02:04:32,371
We need to put some thinking towards targeting different types

1683
02:04:32,371 --> 02:04:35,331
of industry that would find good purpose out of the

1684
02:04:35,331 --> 02:04:38,171
use out of our shipping canal and then work. With

1685
02:04:38,171 --> 02:04:41,852
our different partners, whether it be the seaway. Transport canada.

1686
02:04:43,342 --> 02:04:47,182
Whatever regulatory body is part of that, as part of

1687
02:04:47,182 --> 02:04:50,425
what we can actually accomplish. So that's going to be

1688
02:04:50,425 --> 02:04:52,625
part of our work and part of our focus, because

1689
02:04:52,625 --> 02:04:54,505
there's a number of parcels of land that we would

1690
02:04:54,505 --> 02:05:00,444
like to actually explore. With industry councilor. Thank you. So

1691
02:05:00,444 --> 02:05:02,644
does that mean that you're looking to put ports along

1692
02:05:02,644 --> 02:05:09,046
the canal? The shipping canal. Or docking. For new industries,

1693
02:05:09,046 --> 02:05:14,126
Mr. Agj through Mr. Mayor. So when we start to

1694
02:05:14,126 --> 02:05:19,086
actually attract different industry, then we'll bring that information back

1695
02:05:19,086 --> 02:05:22,086
to council for review. At the present time, that's. Too

1696
02:05:22,086 --> 02:05:26,428
premature for me to answer because. There isn't any at

1697
02:05:26,428 --> 02:05:33,321
this point. We're in discussions with. Counselor. Thank you. Okay.

1698
02:05:35,556 --> 02:05:38,036
So we are going to go to the clerk for

1699
02:05:38,036 --> 02:05:38,236
the vote.

1700
02:05:55,883 --> 02:06:00,060
That motion is carried. Councilor Demarco, you have a point

1701
02:06:00,060 --> 02:06:03,580
of order? Yes, I was trying to get in. Before.

1702
02:06:03,580 --> 02:06:07,060
I like a recorded vote on that. Please, Madam clerk.

1703
02:06:12,264 --> 02:06:21,291
Execute the recorded vote. So for the

1704
02:06:21,291 --> 02:06:25,171
vote, Councilor Kyokyo was in favor. Councilor Demarco was. Opposed.

1705
02:06:25,171 --> 02:06:28,051
Councilor Falkins was in favor. Council Green was in favor.

1706
02:06:28,051 --> 02:06:30,331
Councilor Grumaldi? Was in favor. Councilor Lee was in favor.

1707
02:06:30,331 --> 02:06:33,531
Councilor McLeod was in favor, councilor Moot was in favor.

1708
02:06:33,531 --> 02:06:36,691
Councilor Richard was in favor. Councilor Setaram was. In favor.

1709
02:06:36,691 --> 02:06:41,149
Councilor spec didn't vote, and council. Recorded vote has been

1710
02:06:41,149 --> 02:06:43,429
requested so you could ask the counselor for his vote.

1711
02:06:50,247 --> 02:06:51,807
Councilor, are you going to vote, or are we going

1712
02:06:51,807 --> 02:06:58,222
to record that as a negative vote? I'm thinking here

1713
02:06:58,222 --> 02:07:00,702
of a procedural bylaw. You've got a counselor who called.

1714
02:07:00,702 --> 02:07:02,542
We haven't moved on to the next item, so it

1715
02:07:02,542 --> 02:07:05,782
is correct to go into a recorded vote correct, although

1716
02:07:05,782 --> 02:07:10,182
usually the clerk will go through each counselor one by

1717
02:07:10,182 --> 02:07:15,492
one and start the process over again. If a recorded

1718
02:07:15,492 --> 02:07:19,092
vote has been called. In this case here. I see

1719
02:07:19,092 --> 02:07:21,812
we've skipped that. Step and just gone with what the

1720
02:07:21,812 --> 02:07:24,972
voting has. The voting has not been reopened again. The

1721
02:07:24,972 --> 02:07:28,292
voting is closed. I can't vote if I wanted to

1722
02:07:28,292 --> 02:07:31,492
on my panel here, but normally if I'm correct. The

1723
02:07:31,492 --> 02:07:34,372
clerk has. Once a recorded vote has been requested by

1724
02:07:34,372 --> 02:07:38,064
a counselor. The clerk will go through the vote, counselor

1725
02:07:38,064 --> 02:07:40,544
by counselor. Okay, well, if you want to wait, that.

1726
02:07:40,544 --> 02:07:43,264
Way. We have time this evening, so I'll go to

1727
02:07:43,264 --> 02:07:48,828
the clerk to execute the recorded. Vote. So recorded vote

1728
02:07:48,828 --> 02:07:58,725
has been requested and voting is open. So

1729
02:07:58,725 --> 02:08:02,205
for the recorded vote, councilor Kyoko was in favor, Councilor

1730
02:08:02,205 --> 02:08:05,445
Jamarco was. Opposed. Councilor falcons is in favor. Councilor Green

1731
02:08:05,445 --> 02:08:08,325
is in favor. Councilor Gormaldi. Is in favor. Councilor Lee

1732
02:08:08,325 --> 02:08:10,765
is in favor. Counselor McLeod is in favor. Councilor mood.

1733
02:08:10,765 --> 02:08:14,125
Is in favor. Councilor Richard is in favor. Councilor ceteram

1734
02:08:14,125 --> 02:08:19,142
is in favor, councilor. Speck is in favor. Councilor van

1735
02:08:19,142 --> 02:08:22,382
bleed is in favor. Mayor Campion is in favor. The

1736
02:08:22,382 --> 02:08:31,787
motion carries. Councilor DeMarco, you have your hand up. We're

1737
02:08:31,787 --> 02:08:39,135
moving on to the next. Item. Sorry. Okay, so I'm

1738
02:08:39,135 --> 02:08:40,335
going to go to the clerk for the next item.

1739
02:08:41,912 --> 02:08:45,552
The next item is 5.2, pulled by councilor McLeod. It's

1740
02:08:45,552 --> 02:08:49,832
fire protection grant. Agreement authorization, and it is pages 23

1741
02:08:49,832 --> 02:08:55,245
to 49. Councilor. Do you want to move that? Councilor

1742
02:08:55,245 --> 02:08:57,565
indicates he wishes to move that, is there. A second

1743
02:08:57,565 --> 02:09:02,201
for that motion. Councilor Lee, I don't know if the

1744
02:09:02,201 --> 02:09:07,438
chief wants to introduce that item prior to. Discussion. So,

1745
02:09:07,438 --> 02:09:12,432
chief, if you're out there. Hello, Mr. Mayor. I'm here.

1746
02:09:12,432 --> 02:09:15,832
Okay, good. If you want to just introduce that item,

1747
02:09:15,832 --> 02:09:20,438
we'd be appreciative. Through you, Mr. Mayor. I'm happy to

1748
02:09:20,438 --> 02:09:23,118
announce to yourself and the council that well and. Fire

1749
02:09:23,118 --> 02:09:28,414
emergency services. Has received approval to proceed with a grant

1750
02:09:28,414 --> 02:09:32,934
from the Ontario, from the Province of Ontario, specifically the

1751
02:09:32,934 --> 02:09:37,694
fire protection grant for the sum of $24,691, which will

1752
02:09:37,694 --> 02:09:41,694
be used to purchase additional equipment to process our firefighter,

1753
02:09:41,694 --> 02:09:46,075
our firefighters protective equipment, post fire to help. Reduce the

1754
02:09:46,075 --> 02:09:48,715
exposures and ultimately to improve the health and safety in

1755
02:09:48,715 --> 02:09:54,675
our workplace. Thank you. Thank you, chief. Councilor McLeod. Thanks.

1756
02:09:54,675 --> 02:09:56,555
Mr. Mayor, the purpose of me pulling it was because

1757
02:09:56,555 --> 02:09:58,955
it was. A good news story, and I wanted the

1758
02:09:58,955 --> 02:10:02,402
chief to have that opportunity. The sole question I have

1759
02:10:02,402 --> 02:10:07,672
relates. To. I'm assuming this was the number one wish

1760
02:10:07,672 --> 02:10:11,858
in terms of. Having improvements at our fire stations in

1761
02:10:11,858 --> 02:10:16,098
order to reduce carcinogens. What would be the next step

1762
02:10:16,098 --> 02:10:19,178
that the chief is interested in procuring, if, in fact,

1763
02:10:19,178 --> 02:10:23,136
there is something else of this caliber. Sure he has

1764
02:10:23,136 --> 02:10:25,056
a long list, but I don't know if they float

1765
02:10:25,056 --> 02:10:29,271
to the top. Chief. Through you, Mr. Mayor. Our staff

1766
02:10:29,271 --> 02:10:32,551
is working diligently to implement modern practices at our headquarters.

1767
02:10:34,045 --> 02:10:37,085
To, if you will, perfect our decon process to reduce

1768
02:10:37,085 --> 02:10:41,205
those exposures, and our efforts will expand into stations two

1769
02:10:41,205 --> 02:10:45,793
and three. With similar equipment to make a repeatable process

1770
02:10:45,793 --> 02:10:49,273
that's efficient for our staff and keep them in district

1771
02:10:49,273 --> 02:10:53,393
while reducing the amount of cross contamination and cross transit

1772
02:10:53,393 --> 02:10:56,679
as we move between stations. Now. So it's an aggressive

1773
02:10:56,679 --> 02:10:59,719
goal, but certainly something that the industry is promoting is

1774
02:10:59,719 --> 02:11:03,159
that industrial hygiene in all workplaces, all fire stations for

1775
02:11:03,159 --> 02:11:08,868
us. Thank you. Councilor McLeod. Thanks, Chief. I appreciate your

1776
02:11:08,868 --> 02:11:13,571
diligence in this matter. Thank you. I have no further

1777
02:11:13,571 --> 02:11:16,901
questions or comments, so I'll go to the clerk. For

1778
02:11:16,901 --> 02:11:18,661
the vote. Voting is open.

1779
02:11:31,041 --> 02:11:37,124
That motion is carried. The next item is 5.3. Application

1780
02:11:37,124 --> 02:11:41,204
for official plan amendment for 744 1st Avenue. Pulled by

1781
02:11:41,204 --> 02:11:49,008
Councilor Demarco. Councilor Demarco, do you want to move that?

1782
02:11:51,383 --> 02:12:01,170
Okay? Yes. Seconded by Councilor Green. Councilor, do we want

1783
02:12:01,170 --> 02:12:07,738
an introduction to that particular item? No, I'm good. No.

1784
02:12:07,738 --> 02:12:11,618
Okay. If you wish to speak, go ahead. Councilor Demarco?

1785
02:12:11,618 --> 02:12:15,785
Yeah. I have a question in regards to. Page 58.

1786
02:12:17,887 --> 02:12:24,277
The municipal housing pledge. As everyone knows. The Ministry of

1787
02:12:24,277 --> 02:12:27,837
Missile affairs asked the city to demonstrate its commitment, blah,

1788
02:12:27,837 --> 02:12:31,541
blah, so on and so. Forth. As far as I

1789
02:12:31,541 --> 02:12:36,896
know. The housing pledge. We have met. And far exceeded

1790
02:12:36,896 --> 02:12:43,532
our numbers. And we qualified. For 800, 900,000. Plus they

1791
02:12:43,532 --> 02:12:45,812
gave us a little bit of bonus money because we

1792
02:12:45,812 --> 02:12:51,736
went so far beyond what we were expected to. If

1793
02:12:51,736 --> 02:12:59,560
I recall correctly, it was 260. Percent. Over. At that

1794
02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:05,892
time of what we needed. To qualify for. Those dollars.

1795
02:13:08,145 --> 02:13:16,197
Would we have any? Figure currently. Of where we're at

1796
02:13:16,197 --> 02:13:24,991
now in regards to. What we've been asked.

1797
02:13:26,692 --> 02:13:32,518
To commit to by the government. Like I said already,

1798
02:13:32,518 --> 02:13:40,472
we were 270%. 260% over what we needed to. And

1799
02:13:40,472 --> 02:13:46,100
I would think now that number. Has to have grown

1800
02:13:46,100 --> 02:13:51,633
significantly. Seeing all what's being proposed in our city with.

1801
02:13:53,201 --> 02:13:57,007
The development all over the city. I'm just wondering if.

1802
02:14:00,753 --> 02:14:08,008
We have. Approximate. Number, percentage where we're at now. In

1803
02:14:08,008 --> 02:14:11,928
regards to our new bills, Mr. Mondays, do you have

1804
02:14:11,928 --> 02:14:18,202
an idea? Three. Mayor Campion. So far in the housing.

1805
02:14:21,222 --> 02:14:30,471
Target of 4300 by. 2030. We've seen 1929 units

1806
02:14:30,471 --> 02:14:33,511
started, but the funding is done on a yearly basis,

1807
02:14:33,511 --> 02:14:37,431
so you have to meet the target every year. So

1808
02:14:37,431 --> 02:14:39,351
even though we may have been 200 and something percent,

1809
02:14:39,351 --> 02:14:44,391
in 2023. 2024. We're just slightly above the 100% we're

1810
02:14:44,391 --> 02:14:49,771
at. 106%. Right now. But we'll have to meet that

1811
02:14:49,771 --> 02:14:56,351
target for 2025 that year. It doesn't. Matter that. We're

1812
02:14:56,351 --> 02:14:57,991
close to 50% of the overall target. We have to

1813
02:14:57,991 --> 02:15:00,111
meet it every year. To get the funding, and we

1814
02:15:00,111 --> 02:15:02,391
don't know what the targets are going to be from.

1815
02:15:02,391 --> 02:15:06,538
That point forward. So. We can't be turning down developments

1816
02:15:06,538 --> 02:15:09,818
because we think we've met our targets, because near four,

1817
02:15:09,818 --> 02:15:13,830
the profits may increase. Our target, and we have to

1818
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:16,550
make sure that we have housing and supply to be

1819
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:19,510
able to meet those targets and also to meet the

1820
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:25,205
reality that people are moving to Ellen councilor. Yeah, people

1821
02:15:25,205 --> 02:15:31,988
are moving along. Or else they're buying in welling. I

1822
02:15:31,988 --> 02:15:35,753
was just wondering. Because. The number of complaints that I

1823
02:15:35,753 --> 02:15:43,018
get from people. And everywhere you turn. There's proposed development

1824
02:15:43,018 --> 02:15:49,251
or their development. Do we have someone like. How is

1825
02:15:49,251 --> 02:15:54,251
everyone? Why suddenly is well in such a hot spot

1826
02:15:54,251 --> 02:15:59,291
for? Development. Not like it's never been like this before.

1827
02:16:00,666 --> 02:16:02,946
I don't know that anybody can really answer that question.

1828
02:16:02,946 --> 02:16:06,826
Other than that there's a migration from other municipalities into

1829
02:16:06,826 --> 02:16:09,826
our community, which is a trickle down effect as people

1830
02:16:09,826 --> 02:16:12,706
move into one municipality, people move out and move into

1831
02:16:12,706 --> 02:16:15,826
another municipality, et cetera, et cetera. And on top of

1832
02:16:15,826 --> 02:16:21,783
that, we have to look at. The Niagara region as

1833
02:16:21,783 --> 02:16:26,392
a whole. It's also growing very rapidly, so. This is

1834
02:16:26,392 --> 02:16:30,352
sort of the trickle down from the Toronto Hamilton Brampton

1835
02:16:30,352 --> 02:16:34,792
GTA moving down into our neighborhood down here, and it's.

1836
02:16:36,961 --> 02:16:39,881
A natural migration, and pricing has something to do with

1837
02:16:39,881 --> 02:16:43,771
it. So there's no real single answer. I've taken up

1838
02:16:43,771 --> 02:16:48,493
some of your time and. So as Mr. Mike. Sorry.

1839
02:16:48,493 --> 02:16:50,053
You're at your five minutes, so I'll give you another

1840
02:16:50,053 --> 02:16:55,237
minute. Just. Because of the long answer. My greeting. You're

1841
02:16:55,237 --> 02:17:00,978
saying they're migrating here? But like never before. Never before.

1842
02:17:00,978 --> 02:17:05,690
We've had this open spaces, we've had all this. Development.

1843
02:17:05,690 --> 02:17:10,020
All the proposed development. And yet, you know what we

1844
02:17:10,020 --> 02:17:15,517
have. A few that have come to. Council three, four

1845
02:17:15,517 --> 02:17:20,628
years ago. And still nothing. That's got nothing to do

1846
02:17:20,628 --> 02:17:29,788
with us. Or is that all? The. Developers timing of

1847
02:17:29,788 --> 02:17:33,027
all this. Like the city has nothing to do with.

1848
02:17:35,042 --> 02:17:38,064
What's all out there? What's been sold? And like I

1849
02:17:38,064 --> 02:17:44,098
said, everywhere you look. There is development. Development? And a

1850
02:17:44,098 --> 02:17:46,018
lot of this is at the expense that occur in

1851
02:17:46,018 --> 02:17:51,487
residence. So I just want to just ask that question

1852
02:17:51,487 --> 02:17:55,536
in regards to where we are now. And thank you

1853
02:17:55,536 --> 02:17:58,496
for the response grant. Appreciate it. Thank you, Councilor Green.

1854
02:18:00,391 --> 02:18:04,791
Yeah. Thank you. Three. Mr. Merritt to staff. Just a

1855
02:18:04,791 --> 02:18:09,519
couple of questions here. So page 53. It notes a

1856
02:18:09,519 --> 02:18:15,637
holding symbol to be placed in the subject lands. For

1857
02:18:15,637 --> 02:18:19,117
some condition. So when it talks about the stormwater management

1858
02:18:19,117 --> 02:18:23,726
pond, I don't believe there is one for this development.

1859
02:18:25,129 --> 02:18:27,809
So if I'm reading this correctly, this development can't proceed

1860
02:18:27,809 --> 02:18:33,852
until that stormwater management pond is constructed, and that's. For

1861
02:18:33,852 --> 02:18:37,492
the development that we just heard the public hearing for

1862
02:18:37,492 --> 02:18:42,914
earlier in the night. Is that correct? Mr. Monday. Three

1863
02:18:42,914 --> 02:18:46,914
American being. Yes, councilor. Okay. Thank you. And that's through

1864
02:18:46,914 --> 02:18:50,254
your mayor. And that's the, when we, when they went

1865
02:18:50,254 --> 02:18:55,888
through that public hearing, There would be some connectivity between

1866
02:18:55,888 --> 02:18:59,736
this development and that development. With a roadway as well.

1867
02:18:59,736 --> 02:19:09,412
Is that correct? Mr. Monday. By three. Meer Campin.

1868
02:19:09,412 --> 02:19:14,777
Yes, councilor. Okay, thank you. And my final question. Through

1869
02:19:14,777 --> 02:19:24,729
the mayor. Page 65. Engineering. Comments from December 3

1870
02:19:24,729 --> 02:19:30,368
24 it notes here. This development cannot proceed until the

1871
02:19:30,368 --> 02:19:34,968
works are completed. Construction of a water main. Sanitary full

1872
02:19:34,968 --> 02:19:41,283
road reconstruction. Urbanization of First Avenue. So I assume that

1873
02:19:41,283 --> 02:19:47,160
would be from Quaker to this development or. Where would

1874
02:19:47,160 --> 02:19:52,918
the boundary be for those works? Mr. Monday. Can you

1875
02:19:52,918 --> 02:19:54,518
answer that or should we go to Ms. Miller? I

1876
02:19:54,518 --> 02:19:58,877
have Miss Miller. Sorry I just turned you off, Ms.

1877
02:19:58,877 --> 02:20:08,429
Miller. Jump back in again. Sorry. Ms miller. You want

1878
02:20:08,429 --> 02:20:13,529
to push your speak button again? Sorry. Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

1879
02:20:13,529 --> 02:20:17,849
Through you. So it is from Quaker to the limit

1880
02:20:17,849 --> 02:20:25,161
of the proposed development. Councilor. Okay, thank you. I just

1881
02:20:25,161 --> 02:20:27,401
wanted to clarify that. So those are the questions I

1882
02:20:27,401 --> 02:20:32,333
have. Thank you. Thanks, councilor. Councilor Kyokyo. Thank you. Similar

1883
02:20:32,333 --> 02:20:37,171
to. The other development where we asked the question about

1884
02:20:37,171 --> 02:20:42,180
the roads and who's paying for it. And we proved

1885
02:20:42,180 --> 02:20:44,820
these developments. And down the road, the city pays for

1886
02:20:44,820 --> 02:20:48,522
it somehow. The taxpayer. So my question to you is

1887
02:20:48,522 --> 02:20:52,162
the $1.8 million we received last year. Where has that

1888
02:20:52,162 --> 02:20:54,162
fund gone to? Is it gone to any of these

1889
02:20:54,162 --> 02:21:01,123
projects? Mr. Monday. Three mayor campy no. The building homes

1890
02:21:01,123 --> 02:21:04,563
faster fund. The first amount is being used towards the.

1891
02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:13,975
First. Street water and sewer repelitation. Councilor. Thank you so.

1892
02:21:15,418 --> 02:21:17,018
Through you. And I'll ask this question to staff because

1893
02:21:17,018 --> 02:21:21,500
I asked it to. Mr. Haiku. Before. But all the

1894
02:21:21,500 --> 02:21:24,700
developments we've seen have been the same stack townhouses, one

1895
02:21:24,700 --> 02:21:33,423
on top. Of each other. Small spaces, sardines. And. I

1896
02:21:33,423 --> 02:21:36,903
get the price part of it. Affordability. But there's something

1897
02:21:36,903 --> 02:21:39,743
to be said about people building houses again, single family

1898
02:21:39,743 --> 02:21:45,720
homes that are maybe 2000 with their own yard. It's

1899
02:21:45,720 --> 02:21:49,285
part of the culture. And where do we have a

1900
02:21:49,285 --> 02:21:52,325
say in that to developer and say, hold on a

1901
02:21:52,325 --> 02:21:55,045
minute, we got a lot of stock. Townhouse in Wellington.

1902
02:21:55,045 --> 02:21:58,405
We got enough of those in a little small. Space.

1903
02:21:58,405 --> 02:22:00,725
Why don't you build some nice homes in here and

1904
02:22:00,725 --> 02:22:03,085
market those people? Because we keep saying they're coming from

1905
02:22:03,085 --> 02:22:04,965
Toronto. Well, if they're coming from Toronto, I'm. Sure they

1906
02:22:04,965 --> 02:22:11,813
can buy those houses, too. Well. Where's that balance? Because

1907
02:22:11,813 --> 02:22:14,733
my fear is in 1020 years city is going to

1908
02:22:14,733 --> 02:22:17,693
be used all stock townhouses. And everybody living on top

1909
02:22:17,693 --> 02:22:20,333
of each other. So my question to you, Mr. Mayor,

1910
02:22:20,333 --> 02:22:24,013
through staff, where is our plan and say, well, hold

1911
02:22:24,013 --> 02:22:28,096
on. We want more of a comprehensive look. Whatever Doug

1912
02:22:28,096 --> 02:22:30,576
Ford or whatever the government's asking for today is not

1913
02:22:30,576 --> 02:22:34,869
what they're asking five years from now. So I guess

1914
02:22:34,869 --> 02:22:38,909
I'd like some clarification on that question, Mr. Monday. Three

1915
02:22:38,909 --> 02:22:42,229
Mary Campion. The city is required under the provincial policy

1916
02:22:42,229 --> 02:22:44,589
statement. We have to provide for a mix. And range

1917
02:22:44,589 --> 02:22:49,142
of housing types to meet current and projected needs. And

1918
02:22:49,142 --> 02:22:51,622
when you talk about single, detached 2000 square foot, the

1919
02:22:51,622 --> 02:22:56,620
reality is that house. Is $800,000. It's partially related to

1920
02:22:56,620 --> 02:22:58,860
the cost of land, and then you have the cost

1921
02:22:58,860 --> 02:23:02,500
of construction. And so developers realize that people can't afford

1922
02:23:02,500 --> 02:23:05,620
houses like that. They need to provide a different format

1923
02:23:05,620 --> 02:23:08,220
that is affordable to the public. They're not going to

1924
02:23:08,220 --> 02:23:10,580
build housing that they can't make some profit off of

1925
02:23:10,580 --> 02:23:13,260
it. I mean, that's the reality. And so. Townhouses and

1926
02:23:13,260 --> 02:23:17,224
stock townhouses and back to back townhouses. Are what people

1927
02:23:17,224 --> 02:23:19,624
can afford and what the developers can deliver to them

1928
02:23:19,624 --> 02:23:24,641
at an affordable rate. Mr. Monday, I think, would it

1929
02:23:24,641 --> 02:23:27,161
be fair to see, to wrap that into one thing?

1930
02:23:27,161 --> 02:23:34,489
Is it's very market driven. Yes, councilor. Thanks. I respectfully

1931
02:23:34,489 --> 02:23:37,169
disagree, because there's still people buying eight $900,000 held in

1932
02:23:37,169 --> 02:23:40,569
Niagara. It hasn't dried up. It's not to say that,

1933
02:23:40,569 --> 02:23:43,569
that's all. They're buying townhouses. It's all they're buying. Well,

1934
02:23:43,569 --> 02:23:46,409
take a trip. Across Niagara and well and pork Coburn

1935
02:23:46,409 --> 02:23:48,049
and Wayne Fleet and everywhere else you want to go.

1936
02:23:48,049 --> 02:23:51,329
And pell them. They're still eight. $900,000 homes, I'm saying.

1937
02:23:53,088 --> 02:23:57,136
As a council. And we should project that. We want

1938
02:23:57,136 --> 02:24:00,296
to do nothing wrong with stack townhouses and townhouse. I'm

1939
02:24:00,296 --> 02:24:03,296
just saying, how do we project that to developer? How

1940
02:24:03,296 --> 02:24:06,456
do we market the properties? And say, hey, great. Come

1941
02:24:06,456 --> 02:24:08,216
and build in welling. But this is what we like

1942
02:24:08,216 --> 02:24:10,416
to see. Our city look like in 10, 20, 30

1943
02:24:10,416 --> 02:24:13,776
years, instead of just a bunch of road townhouses. And

1944
02:24:13,776 --> 02:24:15,756
I think that's a lot of frustration. About the public

1945
02:24:15,756 --> 02:24:19,396
are seeing because I think they want to see development.

1946
02:24:20,883 --> 02:24:23,043
But let's talk about mixed development that really gives it

1947
02:24:23,043 --> 02:24:26,443
a sense of. Feel of community. With people growing in

1948
02:24:26,443 --> 02:24:29,403
backyards. I'm just saying that. It just seems that every

1949
02:24:29,403 --> 02:24:33,202
development is the same. Sardines and corners, and that's what

1950
02:24:33,202 --> 02:24:36,082
we're looking at, and it does. Get frustrating from a

1951
02:24:36,082 --> 02:24:39,910
taxpayer and a residence goes forward. That's it. Thank you.

1952
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:44,994
Thank you, Councilor Falkins. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm going

1953
02:24:44,994 --> 02:24:46,874
to pick up a little bit again. On what councilor?

1954
02:24:46,874 --> 02:24:51,394
DeMarco was talking about with municipal housing pledge years ago.

1955
02:24:51,394 --> 02:24:53,394
There used to be a report available on the website.

1956
02:24:56,262 --> 02:24:59,262
That would give the number of approved subdivisions and what

1957
02:24:59,262 --> 02:25:04,442
ward. That. 's no longer on the website. But that

1958
02:25:04,442 --> 02:25:10,345
gave us a glimpse of what was coming. With the

1959
02:25:10,345 --> 02:25:13,905
new municipal housing pledge that it refers to in here,

1960
02:25:13,905 --> 02:25:16,585
we still don't know. Where we sit with that pledge

1961
02:25:16,585 --> 02:25:21,901
on a regular basis. So I don't know. Is staff

1962
02:25:21,901 --> 02:25:26,181
planning on maybe doing a semiannual report on where we

1963
02:25:26,181 --> 02:25:29,141
stand with our housing? Pledge, because in a lot of

1964
02:25:29,141 --> 02:25:31,861
these reports, it says it goes towards the housing pledge,

1965
02:25:31,861 --> 02:25:34,661
goes towards the housing pledge, but it would be nice

1966
02:25:34,661 --> 02:25:40,957
to see where we stand. On what we've pledged. What

1967
02:25:40,957 --> 02:25:44,316
is going against the pledge? What is outstanding or what

1968
02:25:44,316 --> 02:25:47,316
some divisions have been approved or something like that, because

1969
02:25:47,316 --> 02:25:49,716
it always mentions it, but we never see the numbers

1970
02:25:49,716 --> 02:25:54,352
on it. So is that something that. We can look

1971
02:25:54,352 --> 02:25:58,416
forward to in 2025. I'm going to go to Mr.

1972
02:25:58,416 --> 02:26:00,776
Monday, but we're kind of drifting away from what's actually

1973
02:26:00,776 --> 02:26:04,929
in front of us, which. Is this application as opposed

1974
02:26:04,929 --> 02:26:07,769
to generalities? But Mr. Monday, maybe you could answer that

1975
02:26:07,769 --> 02:26:09,929
question then. We'll get back on track. Yes. Three Mary

1976
02:26:09,929 --> 02:26:14,369
Campion, the Ontario housing tracker, is a website that shows

1977
02:26:14,369 --> 02:26:18,369
all the municipalities that have housing targets and where they

1978
02:26:18,369 --> 02:26:21,649
sit. And it's generally updated monthly by the province. Now,

1979
02:26:21,649 --> 02:26:24,179
the thing is. Those are only units that were the

1980
02:26:24,179 --> 02:26:27,339
foundations complete or actually received a permit. They don't. Count

1981
02:26:27,339 --> 02:26:30,419
the fact that you have thousands of potential housing units

1982
02:26:30,419 --> 02:26:32,459
to be built, they only count them because they want

1983
02:26:32,459 --> 02:26:35,499
housing to actually be built, so they only count them

1984
02:26:35,499 --> 02:26:39,786
once they start construction. So that's all available at any

1985
02:26:39,786 --> 02:26:42,466
time for anybody in the public, any municipality. You can.

1986
02:26:42,466 --> 02:26:45,586
See how we compare, how we compare to our original

1987
02:26:45,586 --> 02:26:50,832
target. And that's done by the province of Ontario. Councilor.

1988
02:26:52,341 --> 02:26:55,501
Okay, so we have to do our own looking at

1989
02:26:55,501 --> 02:27:01,488
that, all right? And then regarding the other report of

1990
02:27:01,488 --> 02:27:05,088
approved subdivisions and the different wards. I'll take that. Up

1991
02:27:05,088 --> 02:27:07,048
as a sidebar with Mr. Grant to see if we

1992
02:27:07,048 --> 02:27:11,228
can have that reinstated. Thank you. Thank you, councilor mcleod.

1993
02:27:13,111 --> 02:27:18,391
Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I do understand my colleagues concerns around

1994
02:27:18,391 --> 02:27:24,203
more townhouses. The reality is, the good news is, in

1995
02:27:24,203 --> 02:27:27,203
a general committee, we had a developer come forward with

1996
02:27:27,203 --> 02:27:32,083
a proposal with 263 single dwelling homes, which is good,

1997
02:27:32,083 --> 02:27:37,123
so. There seems to be a balance starting between developments,

1998
02:27:37,123 --> 02:27:40,163
which is good. The reality is we need choice. In

1999
02:27:40,163 --> 02:27:44,323
housing so that we allow people an opportunity to get

2000
02:27:44,323 --> 02:27:49,004
in at every level of housing. If this is something

2001
02:27:49,004 --> 02:27:54,459
that allows a renter to buy a home, And start

2002
02:27:54,459 --> 02:27:57,883
building wealth that way by owning their own home. I

2003
02:27:57,883 --> 02:27:59,923
think that's a positive. We have to look at that

2004
02:27:59,923 --> 02:28:04,019
from a society as a positive. The concern I have,

2005
02:28:04,019 --> 02:28:08,717
Mr. Mary. Is. And certainly I've amused about this. I

2006
02:28:08,717 --> 02:28:13,356
don't know how far it's. Gotten anywhere. Was. Is there

2007
02:28:13,356 --> 02:28:16,436
a use it or lose it kind of opa zoning?

2008
02:28:18,163 --> 02:28:23,553
Thinking process out there where developers are asking. For density,

2009
02:28:23,553 --> 02:28:25,793
but then we want them to actually put them in

2010
02:28:25,793 --> 02:28:27,393
the ground because that's. The only way people are going

2011
02:28:27,393 --> 02:28:31,035
to be able to move into them. Do you have

2012
02:28:31,035 --> 02:28:33,675
anything, Mr. Mayor? You or Mr. Monday? Is there anything

2013
02:28:33,675 --> 02:28:37,213
out there that says. You've got three years, but you

2014
02:28:37,213 --> 02:28:41,175
got to get building. Mr. Monday three Amir Campion we

2015
02:28:41,175 --> 02:28:44,135
do have that for subdivisions of condominium, so they do

2016
02:28:44,135 --> 02:28:47,295
get draft approval and they get a certain period of

2017
02:28:47,295 --> 02:28:50,928
time to three years. Sometimes they come back to council

2018
02:28:50,928 --> 02:28:54,688
and ask for extensions for various reasons, interest rates, construction

2019
02:28:54,688 --> 02:28:58,288
costs. But we do have that. I don't recommend doing

2020
02:28:58,288 --> 02:29:02,725
that because. You can't force somebody to build. Something if

2021
02:29:02,725 --> 02:29:05,485
there's just no market for it. And so taking away

2022
02:29:05,485 --> 02:29:08,725
approvals isn't? Really moving you isn't allowing you to have

2023
02:29:08,725 --> 02:29:12,725
that supply readily available when the time is right if

2024
02:29:12,725 --> 02:29:19,315
you're planning to take away approvals. Council mcleod. Fair enough.

2025
02:29:19,315 --> 02:29:23,195
I appreciate that perspective. The reality is, like I've said,

2026
02:29:25,021 --> 02:29:26,701
People need places to live. We need to get the

2027
02:29:26,701 --> 02:29:28,901
homes built. I guess one of those ways. Is to.

2028
02:29:30,636 --> 02:29:33,625
Make them provide the flexibility, so. That there is a

2029
02:29:33,625 --> 02:29:37,246
market. For the housing. That's ultimately what they're trying to

2030
02:29:37,246 --> 02:29:43,698
do here. From a further positive note. They've increased the

2031
02:29:43,698 --> 02:29:47,298
OR. They've at least provided for some green space as

2032
02:29:47,298 --> 02:29:50,171
well. As visitor parking. So I'll be in support, Mr.

2033
02:29:50,171 --> 02:29:55,110
Mayor. Thank you, Councilor Speck. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2034
02:29:55,110 --> 02:29:57,710
So I'm looking at page 62, the site plan, and

2035
02:29:57,710 --> 02:30:00,230
I just want to confirm with staff and draw attention

2036
02:30:00,230 --> 02:30:03,430
to the way that the center blocks in this development

2037
02:30:03,430 --> 02:30:07,870
are laid out. The road, which is labeled fire root,

2038
02:30:07,870 --> 02:30:12,230
and the shaded areas, which are I'm going to clarify

2039
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:16,317
our garages. We can see in the. Diagram. With cars

2040
02:30:16,317 --> 02:30:19,997
in them. The point is that the sidewalk faces a

2041
02:30:19,997 --> 02:30:24,637
landscape area, not a road. So it's almost an alleyway.

2042
02:30:24,637 --> 02:30:29,506
Approach in behind the dwelling units. The sidewalk is. In

2043
02:30:29,506 --> 02:30:32,226
front. The front of the house faces the landscape area.

2044
02:30:32,226 --> 02:30:37,295
Do I have that correct? Mr. Monday. Through Mary camping

2045
02:30:37,295 --> 02:30:41,175
yes, councilor. And so, following with the sidewalk, we can

2046
02:30:41,175 --> 02:30:44,135
see that it runs. Along in the visitor parking that

2047
02:30:44,135 --> 02:30:47,855
are the white areas there. And I was looking for

2048
02:30:47,855 --> 02:30:51,055
where does the sidewalk, come out to the street and

2049
02:30:51,055 --> 02:30:56,250
you can see that. There is one sidewalk. On the

2050
02:30:56,250 --> 02:31:00,250
left side of the page showing pedestrian sidewalk, and I

2051
02:31:00,250 --> 02:31:03,090
had to zoom into it with my phone in order

2052
02:31:03,090 --> 02:31:06,990
to be able to read it there coming out. To.

2053
02:31:08,361 --> 02:31:15,022
Sorry. I'm looking at the future road. Yes. Thank you.

2054
02:31:15,022 --> 02:31:19,367
Thank you, Councilor Green. Having said that, and the point

2055
02:31:19,367 --> 02:31:24,051
I'm going with is first Avenue when we refer. To

2056
02:31:24,051 --> 02:31:27,091
page 65, and it talks about the urbanization which has

2057
02:31:27,091 --> 02:31:30,745
been talked about before. So at the bottom. Of page

2058
02:31:30,745 --> 02:31:33,385
65 construction of water main, sanitary sewer, as well as

2059
02:31:33,385 --> 02:31:38,245
full road construction. Urbanization from First Avenue. Are required. This

2060
02:31:38,245 --> 02:31:42,424
development cannot proceed until. These are completed. When it says

2061
02:31:42,424 --> 02:31:48,344
full urbanization, does that include sidewalk construction, which will join

2062
02:31:48,344 --> 02:31:55,245
into these sidewalks throughout the development. Mr. Monday. Through mayor

2063
02:31:55,245 --> 02:31:59,560
campaign yes. Councilor. So when it says before this development

2064
02:31:59,560 --> 02:32:04,542
can proceed, So is that to say the sidewalk? Will

2065
02:32:04,542 --> 02:32:09,422
connect to Quaker and run northward on First Avenue to

2066
02:32:09,422 --> 02:32:15,025
this new development before construction will proceed. Mr. Mundy. Three

2067
02:32:15,025 --> 02:32:17,265
mere cap. And I believe that's what Miss Miller said

2068
02:32:17,265 --> 02:32:22,765
earlier. Thank you. That answers my question. Thank you, Councilor

2069
02:32:22,765 --> 02:32:27,917
Demarco. You've already. Spoken once and beyond your five minutes,

2070
02:32:27,917 --> 02:32:30,157
so unless you have a point of order or something.

2071
02:32:31,913 --> 02:32:39,934
You will be out of order. Councilor Demarco, do you

2072
02:32:39,934 --> 02:32:45,045
have a point of order or something? No. Just speak.

2073
02:32:45,045 --> 02:32:52,166
Thank you, Councilor Richard. Thank you. Through Mayor Campion, I

2074
02:32:52,166 --> 02:32:55,086
feel there would be a substantial difference between the taxes.

2075
02:33:01,222 --> 02:33:04,622
On a townhouse versus a single family unit, am I

2076
02:33:04,622 --> 02:33:11,256
correct? On owning a townhouse. Mr. Monday through Mayor Campion.

2077
02:33:11,256 --> 02:33:13,816
It's really based on what impact besides the assessment is

2078
02:33:13,816 --> 02:33:17,096
generally speaking, yes, a single detached dwelling is worth more

2079
02:33:17,096 --> 02:33:19,536
than a townhouse, but it really depends. On the location

2080
02:33:19,536 --> 02:33:22,616
within the city, the type of development, so it's not

2081
02:33:22,616 --> 02:33:25,136
always the case. That a house would be more than

2082
02:33:25,136 --> 02:33:27,856
a townhouse. Like a new townhouse might be more. Than

2083
02:33:27,856 --> 02:33:30,777
an old single. Detached to somewhere else in the city.

2084
02:33:30,777 --> 02:33:34,972
The taxes and the assessed value. Councilor. Thank you for

2085
02:33:34,972 --> 02:33:38,892
that. So if we had a full residential area of

2086
02:33:38,892 --> 02:33:44,166
single family. Units. It may be beneficial to the city

2087
02:33:44,166 --> 02:33:48,317
as far as a tax base, am I correct? Mr.

2088
02:33:48,317 --> 02:33:51,797
Mund. Excuse me, Mr. Monday. Three. Mayor. Can't be. No,

2089
02:33:51,797 --> 02:33:54,677
I've actually. Done that analysis before. And actually, there's more

2090
02:33:54,677 --> 02:33:59,648
taxes collected in the townhouse development. Or the stack townhouse

2091
02:33:59,648 --> 02:34:06,912
development. Councilor. Thank you, Mayor Campion. Possibly. Due to the

2092
02:34:06,912 --> 02:34:13,086
land usage, I suppose. Mr. Monday three. It's essentially because

2093
02:34:13,086 --> 02:34:16,486
there's more units in a given area than a single

2094
02:34:16,486 --> 02:34:22,117
detach. Would take up. Councilor. Anything further? I think I

2095
02:34:22,117 --> 02:34:27,519
may want to make a comment. Hunters. I'm sure that

2096
02:34:27,519 --> 02:34:32,080
they're paying high taxes in that area. Maybe a residential

2097
02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:35,480
area of such in the event. That was my question.

2098
02:34:35,480 --> 02:34:39,781
Thank you. Thank you. I will now go to the

2099
02:34:39,781 --> 02:34:46,554
clerk for the motion. And the vote. The vote is

2100
02:34:46,554 --> 02:34:46,594
open.

2101
02:35:01,099 --> 02:35:07,601
All right. That motion is. That motion is carried.

2102
02:35:19,639 --> 02:35:26,148
Madam clerk. The next item is 5.4. Pulled by councilor

2103
02:35:26,148 --> 02:35:30,228
Green. It's to request to lift the holding symbol for

2104
02:35:30,228 --> 02:35:35,348
lands at 205 Lancaster Drive. Pages 91 to 94. Councilor

2105
02:35:35,348 --> 02:35:44,054
Green do you want to move that? Yes. Second. Seconded

2106
02:35:44,054 --> 02:35:48,525
by Councilor Lee. We don't need an introduction to that

2107
02:35:48,525 --> 02:35:53,591
one. Mr. Monday. Okay. Council Green, you have the flur.

2108
02:35:53,591 --> 02:35:56,991
Yes. Thank you. Three. Mr. Mayor. So we're removing the

2109
02:35:56,991 --> 02:36:00,511
holding symbol from these lands. I see in the discussion.

2110
02:36:02,619 --> 02:36:07,059
That the owners agreed to paying 500,000 to the city

2111
02:36:07,059 --> 02:36:13,319
for community improvement, so. What could that look like? Is

2112
02:36:13,319 --> 02:36:16,479
that an improvement in ward four? Is that an improvement

2113
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:20,759
in the area? Maybe an improvement to. The local park

2114
02:36:20,759 --> 02:36:24,479
across the street, which will likely get a lot busier

2115
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:27,839
with children with the new development at the Seaway Mall

2116
02:36:27,839 --> 02:36:31,368
land. So what could that money be used for? Mr.

2117
02:36:31,368 --> 02:36:35,798
Monday. Through Mary camping. It is relatively wide open, but

2118
02:36:35,798 --> 02:36:39,398
it is intended to be spent ideally on something in

2119
02:36:39,398 --> 02:36:41,638
the local community, because the development is in the local

2120
02:36:41,638 --> 02:36:45,926
community. It just. Hasn't been decided exactly what that money

2121
02:36:45,926 --> 02:36:49,001
be spent on, but. It could be the city has

2122
02:36:49,001 --> 02:36:51,401
services within the seaway mall, so it could be sort

2123
02:36:51,401 --> 02:36:55,287
of improving those services. Within the mall. It could be

2124
02:36:55,287 --> 02:36:59,087
parks improvements, trails improvements. That part hasn't been decided yet.

2125
02:37:00,496 --> 02:37:04,456
Councilor. Yeah. Thank you. Through Mr. Marikate. It's good to

2126
02:37:04,456 --> 02:37:09,394
hear that. I may make a recommendation. It might be

2127
02:37:09,394 --> 02:37:12,074
good to look at the small park across the street.

2128
02:37:12,074 --> 02:37:15,739
As again. I'm sure it'll be getting a lot busier

2129
02:37:15,739 --> 02:37:20,589
and. There is no specific park. Playground, right? Some green

2130
02:37:20,589 --> 02:37:23,189
space in here, but not a specific playground. So then

2131
02:37:23,189 --> 02:37:27,199
the last question I have to. Mr. Monday. And I've

2132
02:37:27,199 --> 02:37:30,079
asked this a few times over the months because I

2133
02:37:30,079 --> 02:37:34,608
do hear a lot. Of resident questions, but. Are we

2134
02:37:34,608 --> 02:37:37,846
ready to go with this one? Obviously the target's been

2135
02:37:37,846 --> 02:37:43,229
removed. A lot of questions. They started. They have a

2136
02:37:43,229 --> 02:37:46,283
sales office inside the mall. But are they ready to

2137
02:37:46,283 --> 02:37:50,203
go? Is there further obstacles to work through, or are

2138
02:37:50,203 --> 02:37:56,564
they ready to start going here. Mr. Bundy, perspective. Three

2139
02:37:56,564 --> 02:37:59,189
mere campaign. This was in theory, one of the obstacles

2140
02:37:59,189 --> 02:38:01,109
was getting this agreement in place. But again, it's. Going

2141
02:38:01,109 --> 02:38:02,549
to be up to the. I don't know what the

2142
02:38:02,549 --> 02:38:05,469
developer's plans are when he's going to start. I couldn't

2143
02:38:05,469 --> 02:38:08,229
tell you that today, but we are moving forward with

2144
02:38:08,229 --> 02:38:10,349
the various approvals, but they're the ones that will decide

2145
02:38:10,349 --> 02:38:16,237
when they actually start building. Councilor buildings. Okay, thank you,

2146
02:38:16,237 --> 02:38:23,247
Councilor Demarco. Yes, thank you. To Mr. Monday. Is this

2147
02:38:23,247 --> 02:38:29,195
normal procedure? Like we left a holding symbol? And we

2148
02:38:29,195 --> 02:38:38,576
get $500,000. From a developer. To in this case. Put

2149
02:38:38,576 --> 02:38:48,351
towards. The community. Improvements. Is it the norm? This is

2150
02:38:48,351 --> 02:38:57,872
something. I haven't heard of. Anytime recently? Mr. Monday. Three

2151
02:38:57,872 --> 02:39:02,575
Mary Campion. This one was done before. What they call

2152
02:39:02,575 --> 02:39:06,415
bonusing was sort of prohibited. So it was something that

2153
02:39:06,415 --> 02:39:09,495
was required as part of the original approval of this

2154
02:39:09,495 --> 02:39:14,055
seaway mall redevelopment, and the developer agreed to provide this

2155
02:39:14,055 --> 02:39:22,389
money. Councilor. So, basically. Just sort of a generosity that

2156
02:39:22,389 --> 02:39:29,890
he's donating this $500,000. Mr. Monday. I don't want to

2157
02:39:29,890 --> 02:39:33,006
describe what it is that he's done. The developer hasn't

2158
02:39:33,006 --> 02:39:35,286
appealed this condition, so they are agreeing to pay it.

2159
02:39:37,194 --> 02:39:38,994
So I don't want to characterize it anything more than

2160
02:39:38,994 --> 02:39:43,170
that. The developers agreed to pay it. And that's what

2161
02:39:43,170 --> 02:39:48,547
this is about. Councilor. Yes. And also it states in

2162
02:39:48,547 --> 02:39:53,067
the report here that whatever they needed to do to

2163
02:39:53,067 --> 02:40:01,076
get it removed. All the develop. Development. He satisfied all

2164
02:40:01,076 --> 02:40:05,037
the future conditions? They've all been met. And they're ready

2165
02:40:05,037 --> 02:40:07,917
to go. Is that what this basically, in a nutshell

2166
02:40:07,917 --> 02:40:12,317
means? Mr. Monday. Three of you may, from our perspective.

2167
02:40:12,317 --> 02:40:16,745
Yes, councilor. All right. Thank you, Mr. Monday. If there's

2168
02:40:16,745 --> 02:40:19,225
no further speakers, so I'll go to the clerk for

2169
02:40:19,225 --> 02:40:20,345
the motion. And the vote.

2170
02:40:33,004 --> 02:40:42,839
Voting is open. That motion is carried.

2171
02:40:50,765 --> 02:40:54,165
Through you, Mr. Mayor. The next item is 5.5, pulled

2172
02:40:54,165 --> 02:40:56,565
by councilor Kyokyo. It's a response to notice the motion

2173
02:40:56,565 --> 02:41:00,085
for options to reduce council size to lessen the financial

2174
02:41:00,085 --> 02:41:04,765
impact on the taxpayer. Pages 95 to 106. So, councilor

2175
02:41:04,765 --> 02:41:11,731
Kyokyo, do you want to move that. Yes. Second.

2176
02:41:14,440 --> 02:41:19,966
Seconded by councilor. Lee. I guess that's what we saw

2177
02:41:19,966 --> 02:41:23,825
first. Do I have to move an option first? Okay.

2178
02:41:25,043 --> 02:41:27,123
Just. Councilor Kyoko, when you move that, you need to

2179
02:41:27,123 --> 02:41:30,979
put one of the options in. So just clarification on

2180
02:41:30,979 --> 02:41:33,459
the option one, two and three. It doesn't say per

2181
02:41:33,459 --> 02:41:37,246
ward. Any of them doesn't say per word like it

2182
02:41:37,246 --> 02:41:40,806
doesn't say four part time. Counselors, four awards, six part

2183
02:41:40,806 --> 02:41:44,886
time counselors, six wards. Madam clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor.

2184
02:41:44,886 --> 02:41:50,257
So. No, it doesn't say per ward. That would be

2185
02:41:50,257 --> 02:41:53,737
part if option two allow would be, say one council

2186
02:41:53,737 --> 02:41:57,657
per word for option one. And option three, determining the

2187
02:41:57,657 --> 02:42:03,063
award would be conducted through the award boundary review. So

2188
02:42:03,063 --> 02:42:11,006
we're talking about one person per ward. Amir. Potentially. Potentially,

2189
02:42:11,006 --> 02:42:14,126
counselor. So do you want to put an option in?

2190
02:42:14,126 --> 02:42:15,926
We have to have an option in the motion. That's

2191
02:42:15,926 --> 02:42:18,486
on the floor. Okay. All right, let's go ahead. Yeah.

2192
02:42:18,486 --> 02:42:21,446
So I'll move option three. Eight. Part time counselors, one

2193
02:42:21,446 --> 02:42:27,699
full time mayor, nine. Elected officials. Okay. And second, Councilor

2194
02:42:27,699 --> 02:42:33,843
Lee, are you good with seconding that particular. I just

2195
02:42:33,843 --> 02:42:39,398
wanted to hear what his answer was. First councilor. Yeah.

2196
02:42:39,398 --> 02:42:44,481
Okay, Councilor moot. You have a point of order? Yeah.

2197
02:42:44,481 --> 02:42:50,380
Thanks, Mayor Campion. So just as we are running through

2198
02:42:50,380 --> 02:42:55,062
this, if I'm reading this correctly, To even discuss this

2199
02:42:55,062 --> 02:42:57,302
any further. We have to put an option on the

2200
02:42:57,302 --> 02:43:00,929
floor. But we don't have an option for no change.

2201
02:43:02,214 --> 02:43:05,094
There are options. I did discuss part of this with

2202
02:43:05,094 --> 02:43:12,176
the clerk earlier, in the sense that. In this particular

2203
02:43:12,176 --> 02:43:19,235
case. Vote no would be status quo. And if. This

2204
02:43:19,235 --> 02:43:24,662
particular. Option fails. Madam Clerk, then you could bring. Someone

2205
02:43:24,662 --> 02:43:28,102
could bring forward another option. Is that correct? Through you.

2206
02:43:28,102 --> 02:43:31,062
Through Mr. Mayor. Yes, that's correct. So council would be

2207
02:43:31,062 --> 02:43:34,488
voting on this option three. Then if once the vote

2208
02:43:34,488 --> 02:43:37,528
is taken for that, if the motion is lost, another

2209
02:43:37,528 --> 02:43:39,648
member of council. Can put forward a motion for a

2210
02:43:39,648 --> 02:43:43,688
different option. So say we go through all three options,

2211
02:43:43,688 --> 02:43:46,168
there's. No support for any of them, then we'll be

2212
02:43:46,168 --> 02:43:51,088
remaining status quo or additional. Options if council chooses to.

2213
02:43:51,088 --> 02:43:59,521
Interesting. Okay. Right. Sorry. Go ahead. No. I understand that.

2214
02:44:01,279 --> 02:44:04,199
At any time. If we say we don't like eight,

2215
02:44:04,199 --> 02:44:09,802
can we introduce our own option? You potentially could make

2216
02:44:09,802 --> 02:44:16,391
a motion for status quo. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Van

2217
02:44:16,391 --> 02:44:19,502
Bleet. You're just in the speaking list. Okay. All right,

2218
02:44:19,502 --> 02:44:21,622
so I just going to see if the clerk wants

2219
02:44:21,622 --> 02:44:26,177
to introduce the item. Through you, Mr. Mayor. So the

2220
02:44:26,177 --> 02:44:29,017
original report was prepared in response to the notice. Emotion

2221
02:44:29,017 --> 02:44:34,177
passed on. April 9 of 2024, which directed staff to

2222
02:44:34,177 --> 02:44:38,097
explore options for reducing council size to achieve cost. Savings

2223
02:44:38,097 --> 02:44:42,537
for the taxpayers. Following this directive, council requested public engagement

2224
02:44:42,537 --> 02:44:48,365
on this topic. And to validate the decision making. This

2225
02:44:48,365 --> 02:44:52,925
updated report presents three options for reducing council size, each

2226
02:44:52,925 --> 02:44:56,325
aligned with the findings from the public engagement survey. The

2227
02:44:56,325 --> 02:45:00,685
survey results provide valuable insights into public opinion. So two

2228
02:45:00,685 --> 02:45:02,965
of the main points is a significant portion of the

2229
02:45:02,965 --> 02:45:08,635
respondents, 51.3%, expressed a preference for a coun. Council composition

2230
02:45:08,635 --> 02:45:12,155
of five to seven members, indicating strong support for a

2231
02:45:12,155 --> 02:45:16,275
streamlined governance model. When asked about future growth impacts on

2232
02:45:16,275 --> 02:45:21,275
council size. A majority, 5.1%, favored decreasing the number of

2233
02:45:21,275 --> 02:45:26,515
counselors reflecting an appetite for maintaining efficiency and cost effectiveness

2234
02:45:26,515 --> 02:45:31,849
as the city evolves. The proposed reduction. To seven members,

2235
02:45:31,849 --> 02:45:35,346
a full time mayor and six part time counselors. Aligns

2236
02:45:35,346 --> 02:45:38,986
closely with the survey findings. This configuration balances the need

2237
02:45:38,986 --> 02:45:42,826
for cost savings with the importance of effective representation, ensuring

2238
02:45:42,826 --> 02:45:46,226
the city's government structure is well positioned to meet current

2239
02:45:46,226 --> 02:45:49,426
and future needs. I'm happy to address any questions or

2240
02:45:49,426 --> 02:45:53,486
comments from council. Okay. Thank you for that. And somehow,

2241
02:45:53,486 --> 02:45:55,206
councilor Kyoki, you got bumped down to the bottom, so

2242
02:45:55,206 --> 02:45:57,566
I'm going. To put you back at the top because

2243
02:45:57,566 --> 02:46:02,421
you've turned your mic off. Turn it off. Go ahead.

2244
02:46:03,501 --> 02:46:06,221
Okay, so thank you, Mayor Camping. So it's my 11th

2245
02:46:06,221 --> 02:46:08,021
year on council. I think we talked about this for

2246
02:46:08,021 --> 02:46:11,581
ten years, in my past ten years, about reducing counselors

2247
02:46:11,581 --> 02:46:15,464
and counsel and. It's been a very contagious, I should

2248
02:46:15,464 --> 02:46:21,240
say contentious subject. And I did some reflection on my

2249
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:26,388
time here. And my ten years. And what works best

2250
02:46:26,388 --> 02:46:29,794
for the city, in my opinion. I think it's time

2251
02:46:29,794 --> 02:46:32,954
to get the pie out and take eight slices and

2252
02:46:32,954 --> 02:46:37,852
divide the city up. Eight ways. And one council for

2253
02:46:37,852 --> 02:46:40,852
ward. And I think the reason being is, I think

2254
02:46:40,852 --> 02:46:44,262
from a perspective, As a resident. I think when you,

2255
02:46:44,262 --> 02:46:47,999
and not just talking about election time. There is some

2256
02:46:47,999 --> 02:46:52,879
confusion when someone's running for a seat or council or

2257
02:46:52,879 --> 02:46:57,069
ward. And you go campaigning or you can vote for

2258
02:46:57,069 --> 02:46:58,669
two people. Well, you can vote for me and. You

2259
02:46:58,669 --> 02:47:00,029
can vote for this person or you can vote for

2260
02:47:00,029 --> 02:47:04,098
this person, and I think that. Really sometimes turns people

2261
02:47:04,098 --> 02:47:08,930
off to voting. We kind of lead them sometimes to

2262
02:47:08,930 --> 02:47:12,010
vote for two people, and not that that's bad. But

2263
02:47:12,010 --> 02:47:18,078
I think. When there's people running in one ward. The

2264
02:47:18,078 --> 02:47:21,038
public has the option to really vent those people that

2265
02:47:21,038 --> 02:47:24,438
are running and pick the one person they feel can

2266
02:47:24,438 --> 02:47:28,198
the best represent them in that ward. And not to

2267
02:47:28,198 --> 02:47:31,958
exclude that if you're. Second or first. Either is more

2268
02:47:31,958 --> 02:47:37,988
important, but. I believe it reflects that taxpayer. That's my

2269
02:47:37,988 --> 02:47:40,748
person. Woman, men, whatever it is, who I'm going to

2270
02:47:40,748 --> 02:47:43,420
go to. And I have a problem. Without cause and

2271
02:47:43,420 --> 02:47:49,548
confusion. So that's my reflection, I think. Taking that pie

2272
02:47:49,548 --> 02:47:54,468
eight ways does a couple of things. It reduces. We

2273
02:47:54,468 --> 02:47:56,988
can talk about some cost. Savings, ensure there is some

2274
02:47:56,988 --> 02:48:02,670
cost savings. But I think. It also. Keys. A counselor.

2275
02:48:04,775 --> 02:48:08,455
Into focused, really focused in the award, and I think

2276
02:48:08,455 --> 02:48:14,480
that helps. Because. You take that ownership of that ward,

2277
02:48:14,480 --> 02:48:18,091
not that two. Don't take that ownership. But it really

2278
02:48:18,091 --> 02:48:20,611
makes you feel like this is my ward and this

2279
02:48:20,611 --> 02:48:21,971
is where I got to. Work for. And these are

2280
02:48:21,971 --> 02:48:25,651
my people, of course, work for allwhelmed, so that's. My

2281
02:48:25,651 --> 02:48:30,367
thinking behind it. I really like to see that on

2282
02:48:30,367 --> 02:48:33,629
top of that, too. There has to be a boundary

2283
02:48:33,629 --> 02:48:41,373
change. There's no question. I don't want. Talk about specific

2284
02:48:41,373 --> 02:48:45,013
wars. But tonight we heard ward four their development ward

2285
02:48:45,013 --> 02:48:50,673
for councilor green and. Demarco is huge. They're going to

2286
02:48:50,673 --> 02:48:52,073
have a lot on their hands if we don't do

2287
02:48:52,073 --> 02:48:54,833
something. Try to change those numbers and mix those numbers.

2288
02:48:56,578 --> 02:48:58,818
We have a big increase. In my word, war iii,

2289
02:48:58,818 --> 02:49:03,295
you see an increased Elson Ward one. In Dane City,

2290
02:49:03,295 --> 02:49:06,568
so somehow. It has to be evened out, and I

2291
02:49:06,568 --> 02:49:09,048
think that's good for the not just good for not

2292
02:49:09,048 --> 02:49:10,648
saying that we can't do it, but I think it's

2293
02:49:10,648 --> 02:49:15,569
good. For the resident. That resident really needs to. Feel

2294
02:49:15,569 --> 02:49:17,809
that this is my representative. And when they go to

2295
02:49:17,809 --> 02:49:21,369
the polls in two years, they're going to pick the

2296
02:49:21,369 --> 02:49:27,504
best person they. Feel we have one, mayor. We have

2297
02:49:27,504 --> 02:49:31,064
five mayors. It's one people go the election to vote

2298
02:49:31,064 --> 02:49:33,344
for one mayor and it should be the same way

2299
02:49:33,344 --> 02:49:36,104
with the ward system. And I just think that the

2300
02:49:36,104 --> 02:49:41,234
two person per ward. Is pass say it's not really

2301
02:49:41,234 --> 02:49:43,914
conducive of what we see in the growth. The city

2302
02:49:43,914 --> 02:49:47,554
is growing eight counts as one mayor focused on what's

2303
02:49:47,554 --> 02:49:51,882
best for the city what's best for the residents. Is

2304
02:49:51,882 --> 02:49:55,046
my thinking, and I hope that we can. Get this

2305
02:49:55,046 --> 02:49:58,194
done tonight. By not doing anything tonight. Not doing nothing

2306
02:49:58,194 --> 02:50:02,251
tonight. We're not doing anything for the public. If we're

2307
02:50:02,251 --> 02:50:05,251
just kicking this down the road again like we have

2308
02:50:05,251 --> 02:50:08,771
been for the past many years. We're not putting the

2309
02:50:08,771 --> 02:50:12,730
best interests of the resident. We all did surveys. I

2310
02:50:12,730 --> 02:50:15,810
did my own survey. Everybody's out there doing surveys, talking

2311
02:50:15,810 --> 02:50:18,530
to the public, but I think that's a good fit

2312
02:50:18,530 --> 02:50:20,970
and it's best for the city of Welland. We're not

2313
02:50:20,970 --> 02:50:23,370
all going to be here. Down the future or down

2314
02:50:23,370 --> 02:50:28,041
the road. But the city has to survive with the

2315
02:50:28,041 --> 02:50:31,321
best representative they can. So that's how I'm stinking, and

2316
02:50:31,321 --> 02:50:35,884
I hope we can get council support. Thank you. Thank

2317
02:50:35,884 --> 02:50:41,803
you, Councilor Demarco. Yes, thank you. And thank you. Councilor

2318
02:50:41,803 --> 02:50:45,883
Kyokyo made some very good points there a lot today

2319
02:50:45,883 --> 02:50:55,421
we don't touch upon. Yes. And. Just. For backtracking a

2320
02:50:55,421 --> 02:50:58,421
little bit here. I brought up this notice of motion

2321
02:50:58,421 --> 02:51:01,941
about eight, counselors. I think twice, and both times they

2322
02:51:01,941 --> 02:51:05,373
were defeated. The way the city is growing right now,

2323
02:51:05,373 --> 02:51:10,886
out of control. I agree with the eight counselors, but

2324
02:51:10,886 --> 02:51:15,606
we need the wards to be reconstructed as councilor.

2325
02:51:21,467 --> 02:51:26,511
Kyokyo mentioned. If we could add this to option three.

2326
02:51:28,219 --> 02:51:31,761
I will address that in a second. And you know

2327
02:51:31,761 --> 02:51:35,721
what the part that, what I read and I just

2328
02:51:35,721 --> 02:51:41,620
shook my head to was about the savings. The savings.

2329
02:51:43,148 --> 02:51:47,889
Are minimal. I could think of a few other ways

2330
02:51:47,889 --> 02:51:57,729
that we can save taxpayers dollars. Would I need

2331
02:51:57,729 --> 02:52:06,413
to amend this to? Add. Number three. But I like

2332
02:52:06,413 --> 02:52:12,835
to amend it and make. It. Also. Ward reconstruction. Make

2333
02:52:12,835 --> 02:52:17,560
eight, counselors. And eight wards. Would that be in order?

2334
02:52:19,257 --> 02:52:21,977
It's not necessary, Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor. So

2335
02:52:21,977 --> 02:52:25,497
the motion that is currently on the floor is that

2336
02:52:25,497 --> 02:52:27,897
the council of the city of Welland choose option three.

2337
02:52:27,897 --> 02:52:31,577
And further, that well, and city council subsequently directs staff

2338
02:52:31,577 --> 02:52:34,737
to conduct award boundary review only if a change in

2339
02:52:34,737 --> 02:52:38,097
the number of council members is approved. So if any

2340
02:52:38,097 --> 02:52:41,322
of the options this. Evening are approved. We will then

2341
02:52:41,322 --> 02:52:47,102
be proceeding with award boundary review. Okay, councilor, so it's

2342
02:52:47,102 --> 02:52:51,223
not required. It's already in there. Yeah, but it says

2343
02:52:51,223 --> 02:52:59,741
that we are going to look at ward. Boundaries. I'm

2344
02:52:59,741 --> 02:53:07,111
saying. Get it all done. Like councilor Kyoku said, let's

2345
02:53:07,111 --> 02:53:11,136
get it done now. How about we can. So I

2346
02:53:11,136 --> 02:53:16,971
can amend option three? Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor.

2347
02:53:16,971 --> 02:53:21,502
So just to state again the motion. That's on the

2348
02:53:21,502 --> 02:53:25,702
floor currently. Is that well. And city council subsequently direct

2349
02:53:25,702 --> 02:53:29,822
staff to conduct award boundary review. So that is already

2350
02:53:29,822 --> 02:53:33,291
part of the motion for us to proceed. If option

2351
02:53:33,291 --> 02:53:39,725
three, option two or option one is approved. Councilor. I

2352
02:53:39,725 --> 02:53:41,765
would like to amend it. Or how do I do

2353
02:53:41,765 --> 02:53:47,804
it to get it done? Not just. Subclaim drugstaff to

2354
02:53:47,804 --> 02:53:57,659
conduct award boundary review. Well. No, sorry. It is. That

2355
02:53:57,659 --> 02:54:06,866
the number of counselors. And to include. A ward boundary.

2356
02:54:08,455 --> 02:54:14,568
Not a review. A change. Well. The review will result

2357
02:54:14,568 --> 02:54:18,370
in a change. You have to figure out the boundaries

2358
02:54:18,370 --> 02:54:21,210
where they should be, the populations, et cetera, so that's

2359
02:54:21,210 --> 02:54:23,530
the review part. And then they come back with the

2360
02:54:23,530 --> 02:54:26,610
review says that. We need to have changed the boundaries

2361
02:54:26,610 --> 02:54:30,882
in these particular ways. Right? It's included in. So we're

2362
02:54:30,882 --> 02:54:34,802
going to go with eight counselors and have six words.

2363
02:54:34,802 --> 02:54:38,282
How's that going to work? No. Councilor. Madam clerk through

2364
02:54:38,282 --> 02:54:41,722
you, Mr. Mayor. So if counsel this evening. Approves one

2365
02:54:41,722 --> 02:54:45,122
of the options presented to them, a ward boundary review

2366
02:54:45,122 --> 02:54:49,817
will be conducted. So if, say, option three is approved

2367
02:54:49,817 --> 02:54:52,977
immediately, we would be looking into doing the ward boundary

2368
02:54:52,977 --> 02:54:55,017
review. Because we're required to do that by the end

2369
02:54:55,017 --> 02:54:57,937
of the year. So it is part of the review,

2370
02:54:57,937 --> 02:54:59,937
and we will be doing that review, and it'll be

2371
02:54:59,937 --> 02:55:07,914
coming back to council for consideration. Okay, councilor. And. That

2372
02:55:07,914 --> 02:55:10,314
report to come back to council if this should pass.

2373
02:55:12,582 --> 02:55:14,982
Like I said, I just want to make sure that

2374
02:55:14,982 --> 02:55:18,714
if we're going to go with eight counselors. We have

2375
02:55:18,714 --> 02:55:22,194
eight words not to review it, but to do it.

2376
02:55:23,689 --> 02:55:27,089
That's exactly what's before you, counselor. Okay. All right, so,

2377
02:55:27,089 --> 02:55:30,552
yeah, I'll. Leave it at that and I will. Support

2378
02:55:30,552 --> 02:55:37,552
that option three, as long as. The review. Is completed,

2379
02:55:37,552 --> 02:55:42,675
not just review, but actually. It only makes sense if

2380
02:55:42,675 --> 02:55:46,155
we go away. Counselors. You got to go. Eight words

2381
02:55:46,155 --> 02:55:51,335
anyways. Thank you for that. Councilor spec. Mr. Merrill ask

2382
02:55:51,335 --> 02:55:54,735
you a question, seeing as you serve on regional councils.

2383
02:55:54,735 --> 02:55:57,375
Regional council. I just want. To confirm is Niagara Falls,

2384
02:55:57,375 --> 02:56:00,095
the only municipality within the Nagar region that has an

2385
02:56:00,095 --> 02:56:04,245
at large system. Just because I remember the region doesn't

2386
02:56:04,245 --> 02:56:06,285
mean I know the answer to that question, but. They

2387
02:56:06,285 --> 02:56:09,205
might rub shoulders with a few other mayors through you,

2388
02:56:09,205 --> 02:56:12,005
Mr. Mayor. Yes, Niagara Falls is the only one councilor.

2389
02:56:12,005 --> 02:56:14,285
Senate falls is the outlier, and I think we've heard

2390
02:56:14,285 --> 02:56:20,616
the previous two counselors speak. Cautiously here against us going

2391
02:56:20,616 --> 02:56:25,192
down that road. It was mentioned, I believe, in the

2392
02:56:25,192 --> 02:56:30,989
previous. Report that. Was removed from the agenda regarding the

2393
02:56:30,989 --> 02:56:34,269
possibility. What I've heard here, both in response to councilor

2394
02:56:34,269 --> 02:56:38,989
Kyokyo and Councilor DeMarco's question is the wording. Of award

2395
02:56:38,989 --> 02:56:44,069
boundary review is implying that there will still be wards.

2396
02:56:44,069 --> 02:56:47,622
Is that correct? Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor. The

2397
02:56:47,622 --> 02:56:50,622
wording in the motion is that. Well and city council.

2398
02:56:50,622 --> 02:56:55,382
Subsequently direct staff to conduct award boundary review only if

2399
02:56:55,382 --> 02:56:59,302
a change in the number of council members is approved,

2400
02:56:59,302 --> 02:57:04,198
councilor. As I'm clarifying, I can appreciate that. I'm on

2401
02:57:04,198 --> 02:57:08,540
board with that, but. I'm just clarifying that. The Ward

2402
02:57:08,540 --> 02:57:13,363
boundary review. Implies that if council approves reducing the size

2403
02:57:13,363 --> 02:57:17,963
of council, that there will still be wards once that

2404
02:57:17,963 --> 02:57:23,125
ward boundary review is completed. Through you, Ms. Mayor. Yes,

2405
02:57:23,125 --> 02:57:28,203
great councilor. When this originally came back as councilor. Sorry,

2406
02:57:28,203 --> 02:57:32,043
originally came forth multiple times as councilor Demarco. Pointed out.

2407
02:57:32,043 --> 02:57:34,523
I've been in favor of it. Then I'm still in.

2408
02:57:34,523 --> 02:57:37,683
Favor of it. Now. I'm absolutely in favor of the

2409
02:57:37,683 --> 02:57:43,157
ward system, which. Gives residents who are interested in politics

2410
02:57:43,157 --> 02:57:47,717
that entry level start. I believe in Niagara falls. Every

2411
02:57:47,717 --> 02:57:52,782
counselor should. Canvass citywide. That's a huge undertaking. Volunteers in

2412
02:57:52,782 --> 02:57:55,542
the expense. It's the same as the counselors, same as

2413
02:57:55,542 --> 02:58:00,448
the regional counselors, same as the mayor. That's not. Getting

2414
02:58:00,448 --> 02:58:04,008
your foot in the door, focusing on your neighborhood, the

2415
02:58:04,008 --> 02:58:09,411
area. That you consider home and want to represent. That's

2416
02:58:09,411 --> 02:58:11,691
the way it should be as far as a ward

2417
02:58:11,691 --> 02:58:16,851
counselor, taking ownership, or should I say responsibility for the

2418
02:58:16,851 --> 02:58:20,091
area that you seek to represent and convincing your neighbors

2419
02:58:20,091 --> 02:58:22,611
that you are their best representative. That's the way it

2420
02:58:22,611 --> 02:58:26,825
should. Start. At this level of municipal governance, so I'm

2421
02:58:26,825 --> 02:58:31,562
strongly in favor of keeping the ward system. I do

2422
02:58:31,562 --> 02:58:33,802
want to say I'd be in favor of option two.

2423
02:58:34,859 --> 02:58:38,059
With the caveat that a number of the other wards,

2424
02:58:38,059 --> 02:58:39,779
not so much ward five, but a number of the

2425
02:58:39,779 --> 02:58:44,622
other wards have grown exponentially and are dominating. The words

2426
02:58:44,622 --> 02:58:47,582
that haven't either. Did not have vacant land to have

2427
02:58:47,582 --> 02:58:50,822
not seen the development. Their numbers have only trickled higher.

2428
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:57,080
Where? Whereas certain awards have grown by leaps and bounds.

2429
02:58:58,828 --> 02:59:02,388
So to say. It's not fair. Those counselors that represent

2430
02:59:02,388 --> 02:59:07,811
those wards have far more. Constituent than others. So I

2431
02:59:07,811 --> 02:59:10,891
think it's only essential that if we're going to reduce

2432
02:59:10,891 --> 02:59:16,062
the number of counselors. That more wards. A redistricting needs

2433
02:59:16,062 --> 02:59:22,036
to take place between the wards to better equalize. The

2434
02:59:22,036 --> 02:59:25,462
voting population. As I said, I'm in favor of option

2435
02:59:25,462 --> 02:59:29,782
two, reducing it in half, keeping the six. Wards. However,

2436
02:59:29,782 --> 02:59:32,702
with our growth, our lopsided growth, that doesn't seem to

2437
02:59:32,702 --> 02:59:35,781
make sense. And in speaking with a number of other

2438
02:59:35,781 --> 02:59:39,625
counselors, They are not in favor of the six, and

2439
02:59:39,625 --> 02:59:43,745
so I will support what's on the floor, option eight,

2440
02:59:43,745 --> 02:59:51,096
keeping the wards. And instilling. A winner of the constituents

2441
02:59:51,096 --> 02:59:54,296
will place their votes in favor of who will best

2442
02:59:54,296 --> 02:59:58,696
represent them. We will see. Hopefully eight counselors come to

2443
02:59:58,696 --> 03:00:04,356
the table. This next. Term and faithfully represent their constituents.

2444
03:00:04,356 --> 03:00:08,236
I do have one closing question. This is obviously going

2445
03:00:08,236 --> 03:00:11,811
to be. Assuming that a vote hopefully is successful tonight.

2446
03:00:13,128 --> 03:00:17,291
When does, from a provincial standpoint, when does. Our ward

2447
03:00:17,291 --> 03:00:21,971
boundary review need to be completed, voted on, and approved.

2448
03:00:21,971 --> 03:00:24,731
In other words, we can approve. This tonight, but if

2449
03:00:24,731 --> 03:00:28,011
there's extensive delays, whether, and I'm not implying on staff's,

2450
03:00:28,011 --> 03:00:31,171
behalf. It could be on council's behalf with referring something

2451
03:00:31,171 --> 03:00:34,814
back. If that gets bogged down, does that mean that

2452
03:00:34,814 --> 03:00:38,254
this isn't. It seems to be. A two part equation.

2453
03:00:38,254 --> 03:00:41,654
Can I have any rundown or a timeline of when

2454
03:00:41,654 --> 03:00:44,694
that second half needs to be completed and needs to

2455
03:00:44,694 --> 03:00:48,774
be approved by Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor. So

2456
03:00:48,774 --> 03:00:50,974
if council does approve this. This evening, we'll be moving.

2457
03:00:52,339 --> 03:00:56,974
Directly forward with the ward boundary review. The deadline for

2458
03:00:56,974 --> 03:01:00,614
it is December 31 of 2025 to ensure it's in

2459
03:01:00,614 --> 03:01:04,054
place for the 2026 municipal election, so we would be

2460
03:01:04,054 --> 03:01:06,934
moving on it as soon as possible to allow for

2461
03:01:06,934 --> 03:01:09,695
time, like you said. For it to be considered by

2462
03:01:09,695 --> 03:01:13,535
council and any additional questions. Thank you very much. Thank

2463
03:01:13,535 --> 03:01:18,800
you, councilor. Green. Yeah. Thank you. Through Mr. Mayor to

2464
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:23,878
staff. When we look at award boundary review. How do

2465
03:01:23,878 --> 03:01:29,167
we look like? How does that work? With the population

2466
03:01:29,167 --> 03:01:34,327
growth is award boundary review based on the population of

2467
03:01:34,327 --> 03:01:37,767
today, is it based on the population of the next

2468
03:01:37,767 --> 03:01:41,399
one year, two years. Five to ten. How do we

2469
03:01:41,399 --> 03:01:45,079
look at award boundary review, Madam Clerk? Through you, Mr.

2470
03:01:45,079 --> 03:01:47,519
Mayor. So. A few years back, I did a review

2471
03:01:47,519 --> 03:01:50,559
into how this would be conducted so they would take

2472
03:01:50,559 --> 03:01:53,399
the current population of the city of Wellland, and then

2473
03:01:53,399 --> 03:01:56,439
they would look at current permits that have been put

2474
03:01:56,439 --> 03:01:59,479
through as well as any future development as well. So

2475
03:01:59,479 --> 03:02:01,770
I believe the time. Timeline that they would look at

2476
03:02:01,770 --> 03:02:05,971
would be. Up until the next ten years and try

2477
03:02:05,971 --> 03:02:09,051
to propose what they intend and where development may be.

2478
03:02:09,051 --> 03:02:11,611
In those areas, and that would help them determine where

2479
03:02:11,611 --> 03:02:17,276
the word boundaries would be. Councilor. Okay, thank you. Yeah.

2480
03:02:18,637 --> 03:02:19,957
I just wanted to, that was a question I wanted

2481
03:02:19,957 --> 03:02:23,597
to ask because I've gone through here and I'll speak

2482
03:02:23,597 --> 03:02:28,329
to ward, for since that's the ward I represent. I

2483
03:02:28,329 --> 03:02:35,453
was able to quickly note 6500 units. Has been approved

2484
03:02:35,453 --> 03:02:43,648
by counsel or has come before counsel. And. That's not

2485
03:02:43,648 --> 03:02:45,208
included. And I just did just some quick math. So

2486
03:02:45,208 --> 03:02:49,248
6500 and then. There's an additional 1000 plus at Hunter's

2487
03:02:49,248 --> 03:02:53,529
point. We all know. Of the 16 story towers are

2488
03:02:53,529 --> 03:02:57,913
proposing on Niagara Street. We've seen in the media the

2489
03:02:57,913 --> 03:03:05,975
fairground property that has sold. There's likely pushing. To be.

2490
03:03:08,171 --> 03:03:11,571
8000 new units built in ward four alone. So my

2491
03:03:11,571 --> 03:03:15,956
concern is, and for the record. I do like the

2492
03:03:15,956 --> 03:03:21,376
idea of eight and eight. My concern is. I feel

2493
03:03:21,376 --> 03:03:23,416
like it might be a bit premature, because what I

2494
03:03:23,416 --> 03:03:26,296
don't want to do is, I don't want to change

2495
03:03:26,296 --> 03:03:32,862
words for the 2026 election. And then these 8000 units

2496
03:03:32,862 --> 03:03:35,782
come in to ward four. And ward one have some

2497
03:03:35,782 --> 03:03:39,262
significant development. In the northwest as well. And then in

2498
03:03:39,262 --> 03:03:42,102
the 2030 election, we say, well, we got to change

2499
03:03:42,102 --> 03:03:46,262
this again. Because I did hear that in the 2018

2500
03:03:46,262 --> 03:03:48,582
election, residents saying, what ward am I in? Because you

2501
03:03:48,582 --> 03:03:52,772
just changed it a while ago. I'm a bit concerned.

2502
03:03:52,772 --> 03:03:56,012
It's premature. And I see two camps in this. I

2503
03:03:56,012 --> 03:04:00,747
see those that. Say less. Counselors save money. Well, option

2504
03:04:00,747 --> 03:04:07,809
three saves $170,000, which is zero point. 3% of a

2505
03:04:07,809 --> 03:04:10,649
tax savings. Is that going to be credited? My taxes?

2506
03:04:10,649 --> 03:04:13,369
I don't. Think it will be? I don't think a

2507
03:04:13,369 --> 03:04:17,173
resident will see the savings. And I see the camp

2508
03:04:17,173 --> 03:04:20,333
of residents talking about is that the governance that we

2509
03:04:20,333 --> 03:04:23,813
want in the city. Do we want less voices around

2510
03:04:23,813 --> 03:04:28,891
the table? So for now, I think I'm going to

2511
03:04:28,891 --> 03:04:31,051
support the status quo. I think this is a bit

2512
03:04:31,051 --> 03:04:35,794
premature. With some of the development coming, but I think

2513
03:04:35,794 --> 03:04:37,994
we do need to be looking at the wards. But

2514
03:04:37,994 --> 03:04:41,776
I'm not sure. Are we going to? Six, counselors? Eight.

2515
03:04:41,776 --> 03:04:45,879
Should we stay at the twelve? I'm inclined to stay

2516
03:04:45,879 --> 03:04:48,879
as a status quo for right now. Those are my

2517
03:04:48,879 --> 03:04:56,448
comments. Thank you, councilor. Van Bleet. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2518
03:04:58,646 --> 03:05:01,806
This is actually the 13th time now in the last

2519
03:05:01,806 --> 03:05:06,598
30 years, we've discussed this. When I first brought it

2520
03:05:06,598 --> 03:05:09,659
up. I was a counselor for Ward one, and at

2521
03:05:09,659 --> 03:05:12,939
that time, ward one was by far the largest. And

2522
03:05:12,939 --> 03:05:17,092
the most populous award of them all. I didn't bring

2523
03:05:17,092 --> 03:05:22,534
it up to. Change the ward boundaries or anything. The

2524
03:05:22,534 --> 03:05:24,814
reason I brought it up is because I've always. Thought.

2525
03:05:24,814 --> 03:05:27,854
I still think the twelve councilors is far too many.

2526
03:05:30,108 --> 03:05:34,028
The original thought process was, when I brought it up

2527
03:05:34,028 --> 03:05:37,548
originally, was that we would go to two wards l

2528
03:05:37,548 --> 03:05:40,148
three C and l three B, which makes it very

2529
03:05:40,148 --> 03:05:43,348
easy if somebody wants to know. What word they're in.

2530
03:05:43,348 --> 03:05:45,988
Just give me your postal code and we've got it.

2531
03:05:45,988 --> 03:05:48,148
L, three c, l, three b. If you do it

2532
03:05:48,148 --> 03:05:51,084
that way, there the population is. Almost split in half.

2533
03:05:52,588 --> 03:05:55,548
And that would make it very easy for staff to

2534
03:05:55,548 --> 03:06:00,195
do the ward boundaries as well. As far as supporting

2535
03:06:00,195 --> 03:06:02,235
three is concerned, it kind of puts me in a

2536
03:06:02,235 --> 03:06:05,656
quandary, because. On the one hand, I don't want to.

2537
03:06:07,172 --> 03:06:10,492
Go to the status quo. But then again, I think

2538
03:06:10,492 --> 03:06:15,414
that. The way that is to increase the number of

2539
03:06:15,414 --> 03:06:18,494
wards to eight is not the right way to do

2540
03:06:18,494 --> 03:06:22,301
it either. I think six is the right way. I

2541
03:06:22,301 --> 03:06:26,178
know in the past I've heard some discussion on. The

2542
03:06:26,178 --> 03:06:30,644
monetary savings is not that great. And I guess if

2543
03:06:30,644 --> 03:06:34,751
you look at it, Whether it be option two or

2544
03:06:34,751 --> 03:06:40,111
option three. Doesn't matter. I mean, you're talking. $150 to

2545
03:06:40,111 --> 03:06:44,659
$250,000. And that may not sound like a lot when

2546
03:06:44,659 --> 03:06:47,579
you have a budget of the millions of dollars that

2547
03:06:47,579 --> 03:06:50,019
we have in our budget. But when you look at

2548
03:06:50,019 --> 03:06:53,299
a median household income here in the city while in

2549
03:06:53,299 --> 03:06:58,739
the $71,000. I can tell you that $150 to $250,000.

2550
03:06:58,739 --> 03:07:02,339
Is an awful lot of money, so subsequently, we need

2551
03:07:02,339 --> 03:07:04,879
to reduce. And like I said, it puts me in

2552
03:07:04,879 --> 03:07:07,079
kind of a quandary. I'm not. Sure whether I should

2553
03:07:07,079 --> 03:07:11,856
support. This eight with the possibility of losing it and

2554
03:07:11,856 --> 03:07:15,454
going back. To the status quo, which I don't think

2555
03:07:15,454 --> 03:07:19,134
is right. But in any case, at this point here,

2556
03:07:19,134 --> 03:07:24,499
I think. We really need to. Look at what the

2557
03:07:24,499 --> 03:07:28,659
numbers were. If you look at the pages here, 51%

2558
03:07:28,659 --> 03:07:32,505
of the population. That did respond. Said five to seven

2559
03:07:32,505 --> 03:07:35,505
was the right number to go with. And if memory

2560
03:07:35,505 --> 03:07:38,905
serves me correct, five. To seven. Six is right in

2561
03:07:38,905 --> 03:07:40,905
the middle of that, so I'll leave it at that.

2562
03:07:40,905 --> 03:07:43,865
There. Haven't decided yet how I'm going to go on

2563
03:07:43,865 --> 03:07:46,869
this here. I don't think eight is the right number.

2564
03:07:48,287 --> 03:07:50,407
But I'll wait and see what other people have to

2565
03:07:50,407 --> 03:07:55,960
say. Thank you. Thanks, councilor. Councilor. Richard. Thank you. Through

2566
03:07:55,960 --> 03:08:02,998
Mayor Campion. I'm certainly analyzing all of this. We're sort

2567
03:08:02,998 --> 03:08:04,798
of picking a number out of a hat. We've got

2568
03:08:04,798 --> 03:08:08,918
poor Colbert. At eat with 20,000 population and you've outlined

2569
03:08:08,918 --> 03:08:11,438
a couple of other cities. It seems to be all

2570
03:08:11,438 --> 03:08:14,518
over the board. Why could we not have the province

2571
03:08:14,518 --> 03:08:17,358
or the government step in with some type of criteria

2572
03:08:17,358 --> 03:08:21,129
based on population. As I said, it's all over the

2573
03:08:21,129 --> 03:08:27,310
board. I would like to see possibly our city being

2574
03:08:27,310 --> 03:08:32,253
take some initiative and recommend the province or government. Looking

2575
03:08:32,253 --> 03:08:35,351
into something that. 's standard so that we don't have

2576
03:08:35,351 --> 03:08:39,471
all these differences. A city right next to us 20,000.

2577
03:08:39,471 --> 03:08:43,391
And they've got eight counselors, and we're looking recommending. Six

2578
03:08:43,391 --> 03:08:48,674
for over 55, so. We're basically picking numbers with no

2579
03:08:48,674 --> 03:08:55,614
criteria. Through our whole budget process. A lot of the

2580
03:08:55,614 --> 03:09:00,694
reasoning was due to our increase in population can exceed

2581
03:09:00,694 --> 03:09:07,479
80,000. The hiring of staff, the buying of equipment. Based

2582
03:09:07,479 --> 03:09:12,919
on our population increasing. And now, after 45 years, over

2583
03:09:12,919 --> 03:09:17,358
45 years, I believe. That had twelve counselors for whatever

2584
03:09:17,358 --> 03:09:21,381
reason. I don't know where that criteria came from. We're

2585
03:09:21,381 --> 03:09:27,171
going to reduce it when the population. Staff. Is always

2586
03:09:27,171 --> 03:09:30,131
insisting we're going to increase to 80,000. Now we're looking

2587
03:09:30,131 --> 03:09:34,530
at reducing it. I don't know what the answer is.

2588
03:09:34,530 --> 03:09:37,250
I would like to see this. Pretty consistent across the

2589
03:09:37,250 --> 03:09:42,495
province. I would kind of like to see our city

2590
03:09:42,495 --> 03:09:46,780
take the initiative. And possibly present something, be the leaders.

2591
03:09:49,144 --> 03:09:57,027
Do. I recommend going with option two. No. Would I

2592
03:09:57,027 --> 03:09:59,827
support option eight? I don't know. At this point, I'm

2593
03:09:59,827 --> 03:10:03,507
going to. Be like my counselor, van Fleet. And I

2594
03:10:03,507 --> 03:10:06,747
also liked the comment from councilor moot. We should always

2595
03:10:06,747 --> 03:10:10,427
have an option remain as is, and it's not outlined

2596
03:10:10,427 --> 03:10:13,387
on this report. I know what we can do is

2597
03:10:13,387 --> 03:10:16,067
vote it down, but it should be outlined, should always

2598
03:10:16,067 --> 03:10:20,329
have. A remain as is as an option. So that's

2599
03:10:20,329 --> 03:10:23,409
my comments right now. I don't know what the answer

2600
03:10:23,409 --> 03:10:25,969
is, but. I certainly don't like picking a number out

2601
03:10:25,969 --> 03:10:28,969
of a hat we don't have. Any consistency or we

2602
03:10:28,969 --> 03:10:31,649
don't have any criteria of how to select so many

2603
03:10:31,649 --> 03:10:34,449
counselors. Per city, so I'm going to leave it at

2604
03:10:34,449 --> 03:10:38,554
that. And see what happens with the further discussion on

2605
03:10:38,554 --> 03:10:43,514
this. Thank you. Mr. Axiak, want to make a comment?

2606
03:10:45,209 --> 03:10:47,609
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So maybe just for some context,

2607
03:10:47,609 --> 03:10:51,510
based on what I just heard, I don't foresee the

2608
03:10:51,510 --> 03:10:56,601
province necessarily giving us. Those specific guidelines of saying your

2609
03:10:56,601 --> 03:11:01,428
population. Again, we could ask, but. I don't necessarily foresee

2610
03:11:01,428 --> 03:11:03,828
them actually providing that to us. To that degree, what

2611
03:11:03,828 --> 03:11:05,668
they do have for us is a minimum, which I

2612
03:11:05,668 --> 03:11:08,668
believe is four at this particular time, as kind. Of

2613
03:11:08,668 --> 03:11:15,096
our lowest common amount that we can go to. In

2614
03:11:15,096 --> 03:11:18,896
2018. 2019 was the time where Toronto, as an example,

2615
03:11:18,896 --> 03:11:21,496
they had that imposed on them in terms of reducing

2616
03:11:21,496 --> 03:11:26,256
their number of council members from 47 to 25. That

2617
03:11:26,256 --> 03:11:30,424
was imposed on them from the province. And that represents

2618
03:11:30,424 --> 03:11:37,324
one council to about 266,000 residents. Pretty significant, right? So

2619
03:11:37,324 --> 03:11:40,804
I wouldn't necessarily suggest that we try to ask the

2620
03:11:40,804 --> 03:11:45,644
province to do that in the event. It becomes unmanageable

2621
03:11:45,644 --> 03:11:50,211
for council members to manage expectations of the public. Is

2622
03:11:50,211 --> 03:12:00,036
there anything further? Thank you for that discussion, but

2623
03:12:00,036 --> 03:12:03,236
I still feel that we need some type of criteria

2624
03:12:03,236 --> 03:12:08,312
with. The different cities having different numbers, and we have

2625
03:12:08,312 --> 03:12:13,634
no reasoning why we need twelve or six. And I

2626
03:12:13,634 --> 03:12:18,222
used population as an example. Some type of formula would

2627
03:12:18,222 --> 03:12:21,975
be wonderful. But it just doesn't make sense that Port

2628
03:12:21,975 --> 03:12:24,895
Colbrand would have eight counselors with 20,000, and we're looking

2629
03:12:24,895 --> 03:12:29,655
at eight counselors with potential of 80,000. It just doesn't

2630
03:12:29,655 --> 03:12:33,021
make sense to me. But I think we should certainly

2631
03:12:33,021 --> 03:12:39,747
pursue that further. Thank you. Thank you, councilor mcleod. Thanks,

2632
03:12:39,747 --> 03:12:43,347
Mr. Mayor. I believe it was council's direction to have

2633
03:12:43,347 --> 03:12:49,412
community input. Into this motion. And here we are tonight

2634
03:12:49,412 --> 03:12:53,732
with the community feedback, although it be very lean with

2635
03:12:53,732 --> 03:12:58,972
304 respondents on the preferred council composition, and from that

2636
03:12:58,972 --> 03:13:01,772
even the most popular one. We're not currently considering on

2637
03:13:01,772 --> 03:13:06,964
the floor. So are we interested in the public's opinion

2638
03:13:06,964 --> 03:13:09,524
or not? Doesn't mean I support the five to seven.

2639
03:13:11,326 --> 03:13:15,246
The reality is. I don't believe the report is statistically

2640
03:13:15,246 --> 03:13:23,080
significant. I believe 304 respondents out of 57,000. Approximately our

2641
03:13:23,080 --> 03:13:31,854
population. It's not significant. My review of it. Suggests that

2642
03:13:31,854 --> 03:13:35,774
we should have a sample size closer to 2304, not

2643
03:13:35,774 --> 03:13:41,616
304. That provides you 95% confidence with a 2% margin

2644
03:13:41,616 --> 03:13:50,476
of error. Further to that. When we gave direction, one

2645
03:13:50,476 --> 03:13:54,796
of the directions I gave was that dual serving counselors

2646
03:13:54,796 --> 03:13:59,270
be considered as a way of improving representation. Further to

2647
03:13:59,270 --> 03:14:03,750
that in September when counsel was asked for their input

2648
03:14:03,750 --> 03:14:09,586
into this process. And what should be asked. I provide

2649
03:14:09,586 --> 03:14:14,302
my feedback. To staff, which I'll share with you because

2650
03:14:14,302 --> 03:14:17,902
it articulates what I feel. We should be looking at,

2651
03:14:17,902 --> 03:14:19,502
as well as what I believe to be the facts.

2652
03:14:21,339 --> 03:14:24,511
In this debate. So in terms of facts, no one

2653
03:14:24,511 --> 03:14:28,191
has suggested a way of improving our decision making model.

2654
03:14:28,191 --> 03:14:33,356
Only that reducing counselors will save money, that. Is math,

2655
03:14:33,356 --> 03:14:38,676
not strategic representation. Improvement. Our city is growing quickly. New

2656
03:14:38,676 --> 03:14:42,116
residents need a means of understanding. What Welland is, what

2657
03:14:42,116 --> 03:14:45,076
makes our city function and how they get services from

2658
03:14:45,076 --> 03:14:50,596
city hall. Fewer counselors reduces the feedback problem solving function

2659
03:14:50,596 --> 03:14:54,550
that the public wants of its counselors. Fewer counselors either

2660
03:14:54,550 --> 03:14:57,390
reduces the number of boards and or committees that they

2661
03:14:57,390 --> 03:15:01,430
serve on or increases the time commitment of counselors. The

2662
03:15:01,430 --> 03:15:05,550
result will be underrepresentation or reduced participation on boards, leading

2663
03:15:05,550 --> 03:15:08,990
to increased staff time or less informed decision making of

2664
03:15:08,990 --> 03:15:14,647
boards. Fewer counselors will reduce debate. Fewer counselors can lead

2665
03:15:14,647 --> 03:15:17,647
to easier manipulation of votes based on fewer number of

2666
03:15:17,647 --> 03:15:22,843
people that need to be swayed. Concentration of power does

2667
03:15:22,843 --> 03:15:27,063
not necessarily result in better decision making or democracy. The

2668
03:15:27,063 --> 03:15:31,303
reduction in counselors will increase their workload, committee responsibilities, and

2669
03:15:31,303 --> 03:15:36,343
public appearances. That will reduce the likelihood of younger counselors

2670
03:15:36,343 --> 03:15:41,813
running for office due to increased council workload. And commitments

2671
03:15:41,813 --> 03:15:46,483
while juggling family and work commitments. Which in turn will

2672
03:15:46,483 --> 03:15:49,563
reduce the diversity and points of view at the council

2673
03:15:49,563 --> 03:15:53,733
table. The new council format will likely be limited to

2674
03:15:53,733 --> 03:15:56,973
those of retirement age. Our goal needs to be to

2675
03:15:56,973 --> 03:16:00,543
solicit what the public wants. Examples of what we should

2676
03:16:00,543 --> 03:16:05,094
be asking. What do they want from their representation? Do

2677
03:16:05,094 --> 03:16:07,094
they want it to be diverse in terms of gender,

2678
03:16:07,094 --> 03:16:12,956
age, Ethnicity, experience, background, et cetera. They want to allow

2679
03:16:12,956 --> 03:16:16,316
for the best caliber of residents to want to get

2680
03:16:16,316 --> 03:16:20,518
involved. Do they want it? To provide a counselor to

2681
03:16:20,518 --> 03:16:24,724
listen to concerns and provide a timely response. To their

2682
03:16:24,724 --> 03:16:29,512
concerns. Do they want to maximize involvement in boards and

2683
03:16:29,512 --> 03:16:32,552
committees? Do they want to maximize counselor engagement at community

2684
03:16:32,552 --> 03:16:36,032
events. They want to ensure balanced decision making through vigorous

2685
03:16:36,032 --> 03:16:41,244
debate. So they want improved regional council representation by having

2686
03:16:41,244 --> 03:16:46,327
dual serving counselors around. Wellens council table. Is a good

2687
03:16:46,327 --> 03:16:50,696
counsel, a cheaper council. Do wards matter? Ordiswell. And as

2688
03:16:50,696 --> 03:16:56,410
a whole matter. That was my submission. I will leave

2689
03:16:56,410 --> 03:16:58,970
it at this because I'm running out of time, and

2690
03:16:58,970 --> 03:17:03,418
that is. My suggestion is you either do a referendum

2691
03:17:03,418 --> 03:17:09,449
and ask them what they want, or. We seriously consider

2692
03:17:09,449 --> 03:17:15,207
dual serving counselors. Meaning you have. Twelve counselors at Wellen

2693
03:17:15,207 --> 03:17:17,607
City Council, but two of them are also a regional

2694
03:17:17,607 --> 03:17:22,487
representative and that brings better representation for democracy and better

2695
03:17:22,487 --> 03:17:24,967
decision making at the Wellen Council chamber as well. As

2696
03:17:24,967 --> 03:17:30,754
the regional chamber. As we can talk about policing, we

2697
03:17:30,754 --> 03:17:33,999
can talk about. Transit issues, we can talk about budget

2698
03:17:33,999 --> 03:17:37,559
issues, we can talk about shelter problems and alike right

2699
03:17:37,559 --> 03:17:42,559
here. While having all three regional counselors at our Welland

2700
03:17:42,559 --> 03:17:47,167
table. Thank you. Pretty good timing there, councilor. Councilor moot.

2701
03:17:49,873 --> 03:17:55,284
Thanks, Mayor Campion. I appreciate everyone's points. I tend to

2702
03:17:55,284 --> 03:18:00,424
agree with. This the report? Is not very representative, if

2703
03:18:00,424 --> 03:18:04,013
I'm looking at it correctly. If the clerk or whoever

2704
03:18:04,013 --> 03:18:07,773
designed it could tell me when we see the numbers

2705
03:18:07,773 --> 03:18:11,613
here so we have total visits? 909. We have engaged

2706
03:18:11,613 --> 03:18:18,613
participants 266. Does that mean that that 266 people responded?

2707
03:18:18,613 --> 03:18:23,815
To the information. That's what we're basing. Our assessment on

2708
03:18:23,815 --> 03:18:28,763
here. Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor. So the engaged

2709
03:18:28,763 --> 03:18:35,163
participants means the number of engage well end subscribers. Okay.

2710
03:18:35,357 --> 03:18:39,224
So. I guess. What number is the right number here?

2711
03:18:39,224 --> 03:18:47,942
When I'm looking at. 57,000 people. What percentage of 57,000

2712
03:18:47,942 --> 03:18:53,334
people do these numbers represent? Is it 5% of the

2713
03:18:53,334 --> 03:18:55,894
population? Is it 1% of the population? Is it less

2714
03:18:55,894 --> 03:18:58,734
than 1% of the population. Do you have a figure

2715
03:18:58,734 --> 03:19:04,853
on that? Can you answer that question, Madam Clerk? Three,

2716
03:19:04,853 --> 03:19:07,213
Ms. Merrill, just look and see to confirm, because I

2717
03:19:07,213 --> 03:19:09,373
don't believe that number was. Included on here, okay?

2718
03:19:17,446 --> 03:19:20,526
So that number is not currently available. Right. And that's

2719
03:19:20,526 --> 03:19:26,687
fine, I guess what I'm. Getting at is that. Even

2720
03:19:26,687 --> 03:19:32,554
if it's 909 people or if it's 266 people. That's

2721
03:19:32,554 --> 03:19:35,394
certainly not a representative size of what the people of

2722
03:19:35,394 --> 03:19:39,461
Wellland actually want. I would say when looking at these

2723
03:19:39,461 --> 03:19:44,074
numbers, Sure. Maybe 1% or less than 1%. Say, yeah,

2724
03:19:44,074 --> 03:19:45,674
we need a change. But I look. At it the

2725
03:19:45,674 --> 03:19:49,034
other way. 99% of the people, even if it's 95%

2726
03:19:49,034 --> 03:19:53,642
of the people knew this was happening, potentially, and. Did

2727
03:19:53,642 --> 03:19:57,202
not worry enough about council composition to log on and

2728
03:19:57,202 --> 03:19:59,682
voice their opinion on this. That's. The way I view

2729
03:19:59,682 --> 03:20:04,705
it. And I will remind council that. In our electoral

2730
03:20:04,705 --> 03:20:08,425
system, the federal government and provincial government, they do have

2731
03:20:08,425 --> 03:20:14,069
a metric, that councilor Richard referenced. However, it's based on

2732
03:20:14,069 --> 03:20:20,109
population, and as population grows, they increase members of representation

2733
03:20:20,109 --> 03:20:22,869
in our federal House of Commons and Queens park. So

2734
03:20:22,869 --> 03:20:27,977
if your population grows by 50%, Your representation also grows

2735
03:20:27,977 --> 03:20:31,337
with it. Municipal government, for whatever reason, is the only

2736
03:20:31,337 --> 03:20:35,177
level of government that seems to want to decrease democracy

2737
03:20:35,177 --> 03:20:39,499
and representation in the community. Now, we've talked a lot

2738
03:20:39,499 --> 03:20:43,429
about, like, maybe this report. Is not the best report.

2739
03:20:43,429 --> 03:20:46,669
I get that there are companies out there that do

2740
03:20:46,669 --> 03:20:49,565
these reports, and they would look. At a lot of

2741
03:20:49,565 --> 03:20:54,752
these factors. They also do. The ward composition study. So

2742
03:20:54,752 --> 03:20:56,872
this is a question for you, Mr. Mayor, to the

2743
03:20:56,872 --> 03:21:01,192
clerk who would be doing the ward composition review study?

2744
03:21:01,192 --> 03:21:03,432
Would it be in house or would we be contracting

2745
03:21:03,432 --> 03:21:08,532
that? Out to a professional agency. Madam Clerk through you,

2746
03:21:08,532 --> 03:21:10,772
Mr. Mayor, we would more than likely be going out

2747
03:21:10,772 --> 03:21:16,098
for a contract, a consultant to do that. From discussions

2748
03:21:16,098 --> 03:21:19,818
that I've had with many city clerks, they find that

2749
03:21:19,818 --> 03:21:22,018
that's the best practice to follow because they have the

2750
03:21:22,018 --> 03:21:26,418
capabilities to look forward into, say, ten and 15 years.

2751
03:21:26,418 --> 03:21:29,618
As well as their expertise in doing the review. Right,

2752
03:21:29,618 --> 03:21:34,375
councilor. Thank you. So our exercise. To decrease costs at

2753
03:21:34,375 --> 03:21:36,415
city hall are actually going to be increasing as we

2754
03:21:36,415 --> 03:21:39,775
figure this out and then we come to the point

2755
03:21:39,775 --> 03:21:43,634
where. What if it does come back and say, You

2756
03:21:43,634 --> 03:21:46,994
probably shouldn't have reduced your counsel because you are growing

2757
03:21:46,994 --> 03:21:49,714
exponentially. We should be. Filling out our city before we

2758
03:21:49,714 --> 03:21:52,994
start deciding how to review that. Then, as councilor Green

2759
03:21:52,994 --> 03:21:54,994
mentioned, we're going to have to go back and redo

2760
03:21:54,994 --> 03:21:56,794
it again. So now we're? Going to have to pay

2761
03:21:56,794 --> 03:22:00,988
for it again. And then finally. I guess my final

2762
03:22:00,988 --> 03:22:05,478
point is. We made a big stink, this council in

2763
03:22:05,478 --> 03:22:08,958
the past two terms that I've been here. About our

2764
03:22:08,958 --> 03:22:12,478
council composition, and we had studies done and we spent

2765
03:22:12,478 --> 03:22:15,918
a lot of time, a lot of effort figuring out

2766
03:22:15,918 --> 03:22:18,958
whether we as counselors get paid appropriately, whether we get

2767
03:22:18,958 --> 03:22:23,446
paid disproportionately and it was contentious in the community. It

2768
03:22:23,446 --> 03:22:26,926
was contentious here at council, and now we're looking at

2769
03:22:26,926 --> 03:22:29,166
this and we're. Going to say, hey, you know what?

2770
03:22:29,166 --> 03:22:33,116
Let's reduce counsel, because. That's going to decrease the cost

2771
03:22:33,116 --> 03:22:37,276
to the citizen. Okay, I understand that perspective. However, as

2772
03:22:37,276 --> 03:22:41,636
we decrease counsel, we're going to increase our workload. So

2773
03:22:41,636 --> 03:22:43,756
now that argument comes back, up again that we're not

2774
03:22:43,756 --> 03:22:47,556
getting paid appropriately. So at what point does the next

2775
03:22:47,556 --> 03:22:50,396
council say, you know what? I am doing a little

2776
03:22:50,396 --> 03:22:52,591
bit more work we need to do. Another study on

2777
03:22:52,591 --> 03:22:54,351
what I should be getting paid, and then we're going

2778
03:22:54,351 --> 03:22:59,133
to go through this whole. Situation all over again because

2779
03:22:59,133 --> 03:23:04,898
we deserve to get paid what those studies say. Councilor,

2780
03:23:04,898 --> 03:23:08,221
if you could wrap it up here. Wow. I don't

2781
03:23:08,221 --> 03:23:09,901
say too much often, and when I do, I guess

2782
03:23:09,901 --> 03:23:12,901
I go off. No, I think everyone gets the point,

2783
03:23:12,901 --> 03:23:16,943
though, that. We're just not there yet. I think that

2784
03:23:16,943 --> 03:23:19,623
the status quo, while it may not be perfect. Democracy

2785
03:23:19,623 --> 03:23:24,619
is not perfect. And I think we. Have a good

2786
03:23:24,619 --> 03:23:28,139
group here, and everyone has a good voice to opine

2787
03:23:28,139 --> 03:23:33,859
here. Thank you. Thank you, councilor Grimaldi. Thank you, Mayor

2788
03:23:33,859 --> 03:23:42,567
Campion. Through you. I would just like to. Caution. My

2789
03:23:42,567 --> 03:23:48,523
fellow counselors. To. Give it due diligence with your answer,

2790
03:23:48,523 --> 03:23:55,401
with what you choose. Because. When you start talking about

2791
03:23:55,401 --> 03:23:59,973
cutting the size of council. You're also talking about the

2792
03:23:59,973 --> 03:24:07,246
possibility. Of less gender equality. Less feedback.

2793
03:24:09,618 --> 03:24:15,186
Less variety of ideas. It's a minimal cost at best.

2794
03:24:17,046 --> 03:24:24,664
And. The public survey. I did take note of it,

2795
03:24:24,664 --> 03:24:28,608
but I also spoke with people in the public. Because.

2796
03:24:29,918 --> 03:24:32,518
Sometimes people want to tell you to your face what

2797
03:24:32,518 --> 03:24:36,786
they think. They want to know what you think? So

2798
03:24:36,786 --> 03:24:43,700
I take more than just the survey. As to. My

2799
03:24:43,700 --> 03:24:47,380
basis for this decision, but I can tell you, when

2800
03:24:47,380 --> 03:24:51,603
I got on council in 2003, I was the only

2801
03:24:51,603 --> 03:24:55,843
woman. When I got back on council, I was the

2802
03:24:55,843 --> 03:25:02,429
only woman. It was not until. 2014. When another counselor,

2803
03:25:02,429 --> 03:25:07,809
another female counselor got uncounsel. And I'll tell you, I

2804
03:25:07,809 --> 03:25:14,282
think that. We've had a wide variety of. Thoughts and

2805
03:25:14,282 --> 03:25:19,519
discussions and came to a lot of good decisions. The

2806
03:25:19,519 --> 03:25:25,503
fact that Wellan is growing so expeditiously. The fact that.

2807
03:25:27,920 --> 03:25:33,830
Now. You shouldn't be looking at cutting your counsel. With.

2808
03:25:35,021 --> 03:25:38,825
All the building that is going on here. You really

2809
03:25:38,825 --> 03:25:41,585
need to think about a lot before you just cut

2810
03:25:41,585 --> 03:25:44,665
and think you're cutting. And you tell the public that

2811
03:25:44,665 --> 03:25:48,289
you're saving the money. Because they're not going to see

2812
03:25:48,289 --> 03:25:54,131
it on their tax bill. It's very minimal. So please,

2813
03:25:54,131 --> 03:25:59,613
I caution you to. Think very thoroughly before you vote.

2814
03:26:01,262 --> 03:26:04,317
To pass one of these options. I myself will not

2815
03:26:04,317 --> 03:26:07,957
be in favor of any option except for the status

2816
03:26:07,957 --> 03:26:12,715
quo. Thank you, mayor. Campion. Thank you, councilor. Councilor Lee.

2817
03:26:14,518 --> 03:26:17,919
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would have said in my

2818
03:26:17,919 --> 03:26:20,679
first year that this council needed to be reduced because

2819
03:26:20,679 --> 03:26:25,718
we always were curfewed. So. I would have never have

2820
03:26:25,718 --> 03:26:27,998
thought, going in a second year, that it would get

2821
03:26:27,998 --> 03:26:31,787
more streamlined and more manageable. But I think that was

2822
03:26:31,787 --> 03:26:34,547
with input to the mayor and the clerk and the

2823
03:26:34,547 --> 03:26:39,106
CaO. That we strategized to get the meetings to be

2824
03:26:39,106 --> 03:26:44,215
run in. I want to say a proper manner. The

2825
03:26:44,215 --> 03:26:49,934
engage. Well and survey. I would think you might as

2826
03:26:49,934 --> 03:26:53,414
well just throw it out with five 1000th of a

2827
03:26:53,414 --> 03:26:59,627
percent. Or whatever it is. There's very little engagement, and

2828
03:26:59,627 --> 03:27:03,707
I'm sure that comes back around to 25%. Voter turnout.

2829
03:27:05,740 --> 03:27:10,775
Even if you take it into effect that. There is

2830
03:27:10,775 --> 03:27:16,854
50% or 51% looking at. Six counselors. There's 49% saying

2831
03:27:16,854 --> 03:27:21,486
they want more than six. So looking at it that

2832
03:27:21,486 --> 03:27:26,677
way. I could see us using less counselors, maybe to

2833
03:27:26,677 --> 03:27:30,717
streamline meetings more than what we're. Doing right now. But

2834
03:27:30,717 --> 03:27:33,797
regardless of all that, if there is not award boundary

2835
03:27:33,797 --> 03:27:37,557
review, it doesn't. Make any sense to change the number

2836
03:27:37,557 --> 03:27:41,249
of counselors. And if you're going to do award boundary

2837
03:27:41,249 --> 03:27:44,609
review when you change counselors, then we definitely should have

2838
03:27:44,609 --> 03:27:48,868
award boundary review when we have status quo. Because if

2839
03:27:48,868 --> 03:27:52,908
Ward three has 14,000 voters and Ward six has seven,

2840
03:27:54,419 --> 03:27:56,099
Then we need to even it out a little bit.

2841
03:27:56,099 --> 03:27:58,299
Maybe we have to shift the lines a. Little bit,

2842
03:27:58,299 --> 03:27:59,899
but we also have to look at where all the

2843
03:27:59,899 --> 03:28:03,819
building and the growth is. I'm okay with six wards

2844
03:28:03,819 --> 03:28:06,859
and twelve counselors, if we can streamline it, because I

2845
03:28:06,859 --> 03:28:09,289
do not think. The residents are going to see any

2846
03:28:09,289 --> 03:28:12,569
savings at all. So if there is a status quo.

2847
03:28:13,956 --> 03:28:16,836
Motion. Or that's where we're heading. Then I think we

2848
03:28:16,836 --> 03:28:21,081
should still do award. Boundary review. I like having two

2849
03:28:21,081 --> 03:28:28,016
counselors. Per ward for backup. For different opinions, helping residents

2850
03:28:28,016 --> 03:28:32,598
differently or the same working together. Then as a council

2851
03:28:32,598 --> 03:28:34,638
as a whole, I like to see that we all

2852
03:28:34,638 --> 03:28:38,217
stay on the same. Page and work together. So I

2853
03:28:38,217 --> 03:28:40,497
don't know where we're going. If it's eight for eight.

2854
03:28:42,107 --> 03:28:46,420
Or twelve or six. But I think the population, whether

2855
03:28:46,420 --> 03:28:49,580
it be by postal code or by the number in

2856
03:28:49,580 --> 03:28:53,287
the area, I think we need to look either at

2857
03:28:53,287 --> 03:28:56,788
that. And I would never want an at large system,

2858
03:28:56,788 --> 03:28:59,055
but if we could. Look at. If we're going to

2859
03:28:59,055 --> 03:29:01,415
keep six, that's great. If we have to. Do a

2860
03:29:01,415 --> 03:29:04,615
ward boundary review, and we're thinking of a way to

2861
03:29:04,615 --> 03:29:07,975
fix it so that a certain area or geographical area.

2862
03:29:09,703 --> 03:29:14,459
That can accommodate a certain amount and whether. As councilor

2863
03:29:14,459 --> 03:29:16,939
McLeod said, we need to put it on to listen

2864
03:29:16,939 --> 03:29:22,521
to the residents at the 2026 election. It's input. But

2865
03:29:22,521 --> 03:29:25,201
right now, without award boundary review, which I know will

2866
03:29:25,201 --> 03:29:29,273
take, Probably a year by a consultant. At least that's

2867
03:29:29,273 --> 03:29:33,167
what I've been told by. A consultant. If we want

2868
03:29:33,167 --> 03:29:36,247
a ward, boundary review and status quo, then we should

2869
03:29:36,247 --> 03:29:40,673
get. One started now. If we're keeping status quo, then.

2870
03:29:41,872 --> 03:29:44,982
We have more time to do it because. We will

2871
03:29:44,982 --> 03:29:48,022
know where the review or the boundaries need to shift.

2872
03:29:48,022 --> 03:29:51,222
I would assume maybe to the clerk if we kept

2873
03:29:51,222 --> 03:29:55,091
status quo. Do we still have to have award boundary

2874
03:29:55,091 --> 03:29:57,291
review if we want to shift the boundaries for the

2875
03:29:57,291 --> 03:30:04,753
2026 election. Madam clerk. Through you, mr. Mayor. So if

2876
03:30:04,753 --> 03:30:08,753
the vote is to remain status quo, the motion would

2877
03:30:08,753 --> 03:30:11,193
not include award boundary review, but a member of council

2878
03:30:11,193 --> 03:30:13,153
can put forward a notice of motion for us to

2879
03:30:13,153 --> 03:30:17,553
proceed to do that. Councilor through Mr. Mayor, what would

2880
03:30:17,553 --> 03:30:19,953
be the deadline for the 2026 election is what I

2881
03:30:19,953 --> 03:30:24,446
meant. The deadline for the election would be December 31,

2882
03:30:24,446 --> 03:30:30,327
2025. Councilor, even just for the review. Yes. Okay. Thank

2883
03:30:30,327 --> 03:30:35,684
you. That is all. Thank you, Councilor falkins. Thank you,

2884
03:30:35,684 --> 03:30:39,208
Mr. Mayor. Through you to the clerk. Could we not

2885
03:30:39,208 --> 03:30:44,069
have split these two motions? And we can amend the

2886
03:30:44,069 --> 03:30:53,979
second one. If the voter status quo. Madam clerk

2887
03:30:53,979 --> 03:30:56,299
through you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, they can do. The members

2888
03:30:56,299 --> 03:30:58,890
of council can do that. Okay. I'm going to be

2889
03:30:58,890 --> 03:31:03,419
done tonight. Thank you, but. I'd like to thank council

2890
03:31:03,419 --> 03:31:08,391
or moot and councilor McCloud for their comments. If you

2891
03:31:08,391 --> 03:31:11,911
just go down to math. Right now we have approximately

2892
03:31:11,911 --> 03:31:16,958
4700. People to represent per counselor. If we go to

2893
03:31:16,958 --> 03:31:23,561
eight counselors, it's going to go. To 6950% increase. That's

2894
03:31:23,561 --> 03:31:25,881
a status I have a point of order. I just.

2895
03:31:25,881 --> 03:31:27,561
Have to find out what that is. Just a second.

2896
03:31:29,061 --> 03:31:32,661
Councilor Kyokyo, your point of order? Thanks, Kathy. The councilor

2897
03:31:32,661 --> 03:31:36,299
referred to that we. Have an average. Of so many.

2898
03:31:38,285 --> 03:31:40,485
That's not a point of order. Well, point of privilege,

2899
03:31:40,485 --> 03:31:42,925
then. Well, it's not. Point of privilege either, because she

2900
03:31:42,925 --> 03:31:46,590
hasn't said anything wrong. I'm just saying, if somebody's talking

2901
03:31:46,590 --> 03:31:48,750
about. I think what you're trying to do is debate

2902
03:31:48,750 --> 03:31:51,950
her comment, which is not appropriate at this point, counsel.

2903
03:31:51,987 --> 03:32:01,614
Counselor. Focus. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm

2904
03:32:01,614 --> 03:32:04,454
just dividing number of people by number of counselors. If

2905
03:32:04,454 --> 03:32:07,974
we go to 80,000, by 2030, which the next term.

2906
03:32:09,175 --> 03:32:15,602
Will be covering. That's 10,000. Residents, per counselor. As councilor

2907
03:32:15,602 --> 03:32:21,460
Moot said. Your job is increased by 50%. By 100%.

2908
03:32:21,460 --> 03:32:23,580
Eventually, counselor is going to come back and. They're going

2909
03:32:23,580 --> 03:32:27,180
to want to compensate it for it, but regardless of

2910
03:32:27,180 --> 03:32:31,340
the money for myself, it's a representation as we see

2911
03:32:31,340 --> 03:32:35,374
the new people coming in. They need more. Of the

2912
03:32:35,374 --> 03:32:39,597
resources from the counselors. We have a new subdivision in

2913
03:32:39,597 --> 03:32:44,037
Dean City, and I canvassed for the family day, and

2914
03:32:44,037 --> 03:32:47,397
it took me two days to go through 80 homes.

2915
03:32:47,397 --> 03:32:53,089
They had questions. Both the taxes, but what resources? What

2916
03:32:53,089 --> 03:32:55,049
can they do in well end? And they have this

2917
03:32:55,049 --> 03:32:58,577
question and that question. And it takes more of our

2918
03:32:58,577 --> 03:33:02,119
time. To connect with these people, and that's our job.

2919
03:33:03,672 --> 03:33:06,112
The more residents we have, the new homes, there's more

2920
03:33:06,112 --> 03:33:10,112
issues, there's problems with. The development. There's problems with the

2921
03:33:10,112 --> 03:33:15,786
building. There's problems with sewers flooding. And that is what

2922
03:33:15,786 --> 03:33:20,221
we do. We try to be that goal between staff

2923
03:33:20,221 --> 03:33:30,204
and the residents. Now for 2026. We increased. By $1.2

2924
03:33:30,204 --> 03:33:34,324
million additional staff, which is two and a half percent

2925
03:33:34,324 --> 03:33:43,344
increase. Why? Because we're growing. And again, the city is

2926
03:33:43,344 --> 03:33:48,540
growing, and we now want to reduce the counselors. Some

2927
03:33:48,540 --> 03:33:53,069
of the frontline connection. There. And for myself, I don't

2928
03:33:53,069 --> 03:33:59,546
want to reduce. That representation. I want to be that

2929
03:33:59,546 --> 03:34:03,946
voice for the people. And I believe two counselors per

2930
03:34:03,946 --> 03:34:10,469
ward. Does it adequately. I do agree with the boundary

2931
03:34:10,469 --> 03:34:15,010
change because. There's a lot of words that are growing.

2932
03:34:15,010 --> 03:34:17,530
Ward six as well. And we do need to do

2933
03:34:17,530 --> 03:34:19,770
that. I think that should be done tonight to get

2934
03:34:19,770 --> 03:34:22,730
a head start on it, so. I'm going to vote

2935
03:34:22,730 --> 03:34:26,116
for none of these options. And I'm going to ask

2936
03:34:26,116 --> 03:34:30,596
counsel to seriously consider keeping the status quo. Looking at

2937
03:34:30,596 --> 03:34:35,094
it. In 2030. When some of this growth has settled

2938
03:34:35,094 --> 03:34:38,374
down, we've reached our targets, and then we can take

2939
03:34:38,374 --> 03:34:43,515
a look at what's happening. Thank you. Thank you, councilor.

2940
03:34:43,515 --> 03:34:48,976
Councilor van Leed, I think. I was just going to

2941
03:34:48,976 --> 03:34:56,398
tell you that, actually. Councilor van bleed. Thank you very

2942
03:34:56,398 --> 03:35:00,588
much. Okay. I heard a comment here that the Ontario

2943
03:35:00,588 --> 03:35:05,311
government should set standards. I just want to remind. This

2944
03:35:05,311 --> 03:35:08,391
council and mayor Campions, probably the only one that remembers

2945
03:35:08,391 --> 03:35:12,311
it with Mike Harris, premier Mike Harris. We missed the

2946
03:35:12,311 --> 03:35:14,471
bullet by a Harris breath. There we'd have been the

2947
03:35:14,471 --> 03:35:17,791
city of Niagara. We were that close at that time.

2948
03:35:19,343 --> 03:35:21,703
He did a change in Ottawa, he did a change

2949
03:35:21,703 --> 03:35:24,663
in Windsor, he did a change in Toronto. And we

2950
03:35:24,663 --> 03:35:28,983
just barely missed the bullet. Secondly, in 2000, in the

2951
03:35:28,983 --> 03:35:32,663
year 2000, there actually was a plebiscite here in the

2952
03:35:32,663 --> 03:35:36,781
city. And asked whether we wanted to remain as a

2953
03:35:36,781 --> 03:35:39,821
city or go to regional. Go to a regional. Government.

2954
03:35:39,821 --> 03:35:42,661
Go to the city of Niagara and I'll tell you.

2955
03:35:42,661 --> 03:35:45,341
I think we missed it. By about 2%. I think

2956
03:35:45,341 --> 03:35:50,210
it was 48 to 52. That they wanted to stay

2957
03:35:50,210 --> 03:35:54,314
as a city, so it was that close, so. Their

2958
03:35:54,314 --> 03:35:57,114
residents are pretty up on it, but I would be

2959
03:35:57,114 --> 03:35:59,994
very cautious about going to the Ontario government, I would

2960
03:35:59,994 --> 03:36:04,290
not. Want Mr. Ford to make this decision. I think

2961
03:36:04,290 --> 03:36:06,770
we should make it right here in this council. Chambers.

2962
03:36:06,770 --> 03:36:10,768
Let it go with that. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor Demarco.

2963
03:36:10,768 --> 03:36:15,587
This is your second time and. You have 32 seconds

2964
03:36:15,587 --> 03:36:20,515
left. Well, you know what? The way I spoke on

2965
03:36:20,515 --> 03:36:25,268
this is the matter of especially what I heard. From

2966
03:36:25,268 --> 03:36:30,550
the initial report. Or when the notice of motion or

2967
03:36:30,550 --> 03:36:37,930
whatever it was. Six counselors. That was. Absolutely no. That

2968
03:36:37,930 --> 03:36:41,370
and now I hear everyone, a good number of counselors

2969
03:36:41,370 --> 03:36:47,352
speaking. To status quo. One way or the other. Let's

2970
03:36:47,352 --> 03:36:50,512
just make up our mind here. And like I said,

2971
03:36:50,512 --> 03:36:55,383
we are growing. But I'm just trying to avoid. The

2972
03:36:55,383 --> 03:37:01,171
six counselors. That's what my main. Concern was. Thank you.

2973
03:37:02,536 --> 03:37:08,922
Thanks. Councilor. Councilor Setaram. Thank you, sir. Mr. Mayor. I

2974
03:37:08,922 --> 03:37:12,842
prefer one person per ward. I kind of grown up

2975
03:37:12,842 --> 03:37:15,442
on that system, but also in a system where your

2976
03:37:15,442 --> 03:37:20,415
regional counselor. Is also more connected to your city councilor.

2977
03:37:21,919 --> 03:37:23,999
Which I know. We're waiting on that regional governance review.

2978
03:37:25,927 --> 03:37:32,031
Has caused us. To go into conversations. And invest resources

2979
03:37:32,031 --> 03:37:36,041
that really belong at the regional level. And then in

2980
03:37:36,041 --> 03:37:40,359
terms of just. What the residents think when they're out

2981
03:37:40,359 --> 03:37:43,679
there. They think it really relies on at our level,

2982
03:37:43,679 --> 03:37:46,159
at the municipal level. So that's also interesting in terms

2983
03:37:46,159 --> 03:37:49,559
of how we come to our composition. I won't go

2984
03:37:49,559 --> 03:37:52,847
too much into the numbers. I think many of the

2985
03:37:52,847 --> 03:37:56,887
other counselors have already spoken about the six eight didn't.

2986
03:37:56,887 --> 03:38:02,122
Hear ten. But those various numbers, but. I do think

2987
03:38:02,122 --> 03:38:04,722
that regardless, a boundary of you is done. I know

2988
03:38:04,722 --> 03:38:08,659
that. It takes time, but it's even just about running.

2989
03:38:09,890 --> 03:38:12,935
In the next election in 2026. When I looked at

2990
03:38:12,935 --> 03:38:16,495
those numbers in Iran, my ward, Ward three, which was

2991
03:38:16,495 --> 03:38:18,855
like one of the largest awards at that time had,

2992
03:38:18,855 --> 03:38:20,695
like, in one instance, I think it was more than

2993
03:38:20,695 --> 03:38:26,175
3000 votes. Residents over another ward, which that actually adds

2994
03:38:26,175 --> 03:38:29,495
for additional costs depending on if you decide to run

2995
03:38:29,495 --> 03:38:32,295
in the ward that you live in. And if your

2996
03:38:32,295 --> 03:38:34,894
war. Ward happens to have that many more residents than

2997
03:38:34,894 --> 03:38:39,734
others, so there's also certainly an equity component to the

2998
03:38:39,734 --> 03:38:43,254
council work and the growth that we're hearing, and then

2999
03:38:43,254 --> 03:38:46,887
also consideration. For things like when you have a downtown,

3000
03:38:46,887 --> 03:38:50,553
you generally have. More things that are going on, more

3001
03:38:50,553 --> 03:38:54,193
work that's involved, and more expectations, which I knew. When

3002
03:38:54,193 --> 03:38:56,073
I ran, and so I appreciate that, but I'm just

3003
03:38:56,073 --> 03:38:58,833
giving that as a consideration. For when those things are

3004
03:38:58,833 --> 03:39:02,523
reviewed, so I wanted to just. Share a few thoughts

3005
03:39:02,523 --> 03:39:05,083
on that. I know I provided previous thoughts when this

3006
03:39:05,083 --> 03:39:09,563
conversation came to council. In 2024, so I would like

3007
03:39:09,563 --> 03:39:15,864
to. See a boundary review. That includes, like we talked

3008
03:39:15,864 --> 03:39:19,224
about, the growth projections and then also just there's this

3009
03:39:19,224 --> 03:39:22,024
component. Too around. What are the expectations from the public?

3010
03:39:23,484 --> 03:39:28,285
In terms of their counselors. And. It really vastly differs

3011
03:39:28,285 --> 03:39:31,725
because people don't really see a job description. So you'll

3012
03:39:31,725 --> 03:39:36,619
hear people expect that you're coming to their events. Sometimes

3013
03:39:36,619 --> 03:39:40,947
they don't realize that there's policy work involved. That don't

3014
03:39:40,947 --> 03:39:43,987
necessarily look and see how much work was behind the

3015
03:39:43,987 --> 03:39:46,827
scenes when you're reviewing all these documents, all the committees

3016
03:39:46,827 --> 03:39:49,707
that people sit on as well to advance the city.

3017
03:39:49,707 --> 03:39:52,027
So I'm not saying that that necessarily reflects on the

3018
03:39:52,027 --> 03:39:54,507
numbers, but I'm just. Saying that that is part of

3019
03:39:54,507 --> 03:39:57,547
the conversation in terms of the engagement that we want

3020
03:39:57,547 --> 03:40:00,635
and the connection between all the various levels of. Government.

3021
03:40:02,090 --> 03:40:04,970
Within the region, within the province, across Canada, and then

3022
03:40:04,970 --> 03:40:09,224
also here in terms of when we look at. A

3023
03:40:09,224 --> 03:40:12,384
collective perspective on how we're moving well and forward, but

3024
03:40:12,384 --> 03:40:15,504
also the Niagara region, so just leave my thoughts at

3025
03:40:15,504 --> 03:40:23,386
that. Thank you. Thanks. Councilor Richard for a second time.

3026
03:40:23,386 --> 03:40:25,946
And I believe you have 1 minute and 35 seconds

3027
03:40:25,946 --> 03:40:28,929
left. Thank you, Mayor Campion. I think I can do

3028
03:40:28,929 --> 03:40:35,894
that. After reviewing some of the old reports, I just

3029
03:40:35,894 --> 03:40:39,094
want to make a comment that our tax paying residents

3030
03:40:39,094 --> 03:40:42,174
can never be overrepresented, and it was estated as such

3031
03:40:42,174 --> 03:40:45,934
in a prior report. No further comments. I'll be supporting

3032
03:40:45,934 --> 03:40:51,235
the status quo. Thank you. All right. Thank you. We

3033
03:40:51,235 --> 03:40:54,515
exhausted the speakers list here, so I will go to

3034
03:40:54,515 --> 03:40:58,217
the clerk. Right. So the clerk is going to split

3035
03:40:58,217 --> 03:41:04,685
the vote. Counselor, before I call the question. Yeah. Okay,

3036
03:41:04,685 --> 03:41:08,285
so the clerk will split the vote, and so I'll

3037
03:41:08,285 --> 03:41:11,974
go to the clerk. To go ahead and do that.

3038
03:41:12,661 --> 03:41:15,141
According to both been requested, which I would like to

3039
03:41:15,141 --> 03:41:21,059
make a comment since that's been requested. I understand everyone's

3040
03:41:21,059 --> 03:41:25,052
position on this as counselors. As a mayor is a

3041
03:41:25,052 --> 03:41:27,772
group of people that are leading this community, and there's

3042
03:41:27,772 --> 03:41:36,215
a balancing act between representation. And. Basically equity within the

3043
03:41:36,215 --> 03:41:40,735
system so that it works smoothly and gets the job

3044
03:41:40,735 --> 03:41:43,375
done. But also here's what the people have to say

3045
03:41:43,375 --> 03:41:48,227
and represents that at the table. There's no question when

3046
03:41:48,227 --> 03:41:50,627
we look at the numbers that we are over represent,

3047
03:41:50,541 --> 03:41:57,701
Represented in the city of Welling. And. That's not news.

3048
03:41:57,701 --> 03:41:59,701
But depending on who you're comparing it to, you look

3049
03:41:59,701 --> 03:42:03,221
at Ms. Palley, Lake Hamilton or Toronto or much larger

3050
03:42:03,221 --> 03:42:08,146
municipalities. They have far, far more people that they're representing.

3051
03:42:08,146 --> 03:42:09,986
So I think we need to balance that out, and

3052
03:42:09,986 --> 03:42:14,540
I think it's time to make an adjustment. My preference,

3053
03:42:14,540 --> 03:42:17,100
honestly, would be number two, but I will support number

3054
03:42:17,100 --> 03:42:21,396
three. Because it's a step in the right direction. I

3055
03:42:21,396 --> 03:42:25,501
also want to remind you. Talking about going to the

3056
03:42:25,501 --> 03:42:28,831
province. Something we have to be aware of. And Councilor

3057
03:42:28,831 --> 03:42:32,111
van Ville mentioned part of this, but we are still

3058
03:42:32,111 --> 03:42:35,159
under governance review. This is not over yet. They have

3059
03:42:35,159 --> 03:42:37,759
not taken that off the table. They have had the

3060
03:42:37,759 --> 03:42:40,159
meetings. And one of the things that they were looking

3061
03:42:40,159 --> 03:42:44,919
at very early on from the provincial government is that

3062
03:42:44,919 --> 03:42:50,176
in general terms, all of Niagara is overrepresented. And that's

3063
03:42:50,176 --> 03:42:53,536
partially due to the region and the composition and number

3064
03:42:53,536 --> 03:42:57,466
of regional counselors. And when councilor Richard says they should

3065
03:42:57,466 --> 03:43:01,822
come back with a number based on population, That's a

3066
03:43:01,822 --> 03:43:05,622
very dangerous move, because if they start comparing it across

3067
03:43:05,622 --> 03:43:10,006
the board based on the size of municipalities. Sure, go

3068
03:43:10,006 --> 03:43:15,415
ahead. I actually use that as an example, not to

3069
03:43:15,415 --> 03:43:19,215
do that. Oh, no, I understand that. I'm. Just saying

3070
03:43:19,215 --> 03:43:25,516
that. If we did have that. And certainly, if they

3071
03:43:25,516 --> 03:43:32,130
do continue on with. The governance review in Niagara. Part

3072
03:43:32,130 --> 03:43:34,970
of the thought process behind that is to amalgamate which

3073
03:43:34,970 --> 03:43:38,770
would end result in a reduction of counselors. There's no

3074
03:43:38,770 --> 03:43:45,761
question about it. As the amalgamate. Well. Porter, Colburn and

3075
03:43:45,761 --> 03:43:48,001
Pellum together, you're not going to end up with the

3076
03:43:48,001 --> 03:43:53,065
same. Number of councils representing it. So reluctantly, I would

3077
03:43:53,065 --> 03:43:57,554
support the reduction. At the. Option number three, which is

3078
03:43:57,554 --> 03:44:01,710
on the floor right now. Because it shows the province,

3079
03:44:01,710 --> 03:44:04,070
number one, that we are listening to what they're telling

3080
03:44:04,070 --> 03:44:07,979
us. What they're expecting us to. Happen down in the

3081
03:44:07,979 --> 03:44:11,406
region. I have a feeling they may not force that

3082
03:44:11,406 --> 03:44:15,932
yet, but. When we ask. And we do ask. I

3083
03:44:15,932 --> 03:44:19,416
do ask. How's that coming along? What are you doing?

3084
03:44:19,416 --> 03:44:22,456
They say, well, we hope to make some. Sort of

3085
03:44:22,456 --> 03:44:27,898
comments very, very soon. So again, I believe in equal

3086
03:44:27,898 --> 03:44:31,378
representation, and I think that this is a good balance

3087
03:44:31,378 --> 03:44:35,572
by adding. A couple of words and reducing the number

3088
03:44:35,572 --> 03:44:38,645
of counselors. So those are my comments, and I'll go

3089
03:44:38,645 --> 03:44:41,725
back to the clerk to execute the vote. In two

3090
03:44:41,725 --> 03:44:45,011
parts. Through you, Mr. Mayor. So the first vote is

3091
03:44:45,011 --> 03:44:48,291
that the council of the City of Wellland. Choose option

3092
03:44:48,291 --> 03:44:58,187
three. So voting is open. Okay,

3093
03:44:58,187 --> 03:45:02,467
so that fails. And I see that. I think possibly

3094
03:45:02,467 --> 03:45:05,067
in anticipation of that happening comes from. Cloud has put

3095
03:45:05,067 --> 03:45:15,048
his hand up. Councilor mcleod. Your thing

3096
03:45:15,048 --> 03:45:18,307
was up there. Sorry. Okay, so go to the second

3097
03:45:18,307 --> 03:45:24,573
part for the vote. Go for the recorded vote. So

3098
03:45:24,573 --> 03:45:28,413
for the recorded vote, Councilor Kyokio was in favor. Councilor

3099
03:45:28,413 --> 03:45:31,573
Demarco. Was opposed. Councilor Falcons was opposed. Councilor Green was

3100
03:45:31,573 --> 03:45:36,013
opposed. Councilor Germaldi. Was opposed. Councilor Lee was opposed. Councilor

3101
03:45:36,013 --> 03:45:39,733
McLeod was opposed. Councilor moot was opposed. Councilor Richard was

3102
03:45:39,733 --> 03:45:43,533
opposed. Councilor ceteram was opposed. Councilor Speck was in. Favor,

3103
03:45:43,533 --> 03:45:45,883
councilor van bl. Bleet was opposed. Mayor campaign was in

3104
03:45:45,883 --> 03:45:50,133
favor. The motion is lost. Okay, so sorry about that.

3105
03:45:50,133 --> 03:45:52,253
Now we will go to the second part of that

3106
03:45:52,253 --> 03:45:55,893
motion, Madam clerk. Yes. So the second part of the

3107
03:45:55,893 --> 03:45:57,973
motion is that the council of the city of Wellin.

3108
03:45:57,973 --> 03:46:02,596
Subsequently direct staff to conduct a ward boundary review. Only

3109
03:46:02,596 --> 03:46:04,876
if a change in the number of council members is

3110
03:46:04,876 --> 03:46:06,756
approved, the voting is open.

3111
03:46:20,064 --> 03:46:22,584
So what has occurred here is that there was a

3112
03:46:22,584 --> 03:46:27,256
request to separate the vote, which we have. Done. So

3113
03:46:27,256 --> 03:46:29,832
now. We are voting on that. So if you don't

3114
03:46:29,832 --> 03:46:32,272
like the wording of it, you would have to say

3115
03:46:32,272 --> 03:46:35,352
no. And then you could bring back a motion to,

3116
03:46:35,352 --> 03:46:38,232
at some point, probably. As a notice of motion to

3117
03:46:38,232 --> 03:46:41,152
come back and say, we just want to do a

3118
03:46:41,152 --> 03:46:44,832
review and that could be then associated to whatever motion

3119
03:46:44,832 --> 03:46:46,992
comes forward from this, that includes it that is approved.

3120
03:46:46,992 --> 03:46:50,071
By council mad. Madam Clerk. That's kind of sum it

3121
03:46:50,071 --> 03:46:54,365
up through you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, that's correct. Councilor McLeod,

3122
03:46:54,365 --> 03:46:55,965
you have a point of order with regards to what

3123
03:46:55,965 --> 03:46:59,462
I just said? I was actually going to amend the

3124
03:46:59,462 --> 03:47:05,335
motion. I think it's too late for that, because we've

3125
03:47:05,335 --> 03:47:08,415
already gone through the process. Of debating it, and now

3126
03:47:08,415 --> 03:47:12,811
we're in the voting process. Because we've separated them doesn't

3127
03:47:12,811 --> 03:47:16,491
mean that that's still up for debate. Because it's now

3128
03:47:16,491 --> 03:47:20,177
on the floor. And it was on the floor initially.

3129
03:47:20,177 --> 03:47:23,017
Just. We're voting on them separately, madam clerk, unless. I

3130
03:47:23,017 --> 03:47:25,177
could be wrong, Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor. No,

3131
03:47:25,177 --> 03:47:30,997
that's correct. Okay. So we can deal with this one,

3132
03:47:30,997 --> 03:47:33,357
because I know what the issue is, but if you

3133
03:47:33,357 --> 03:47:36,037
vote. This down, then you have the opportunity to come

3134
03:47:36,037 --> 03:47:39,757
back with something else. Correct. Okay, councilor spec. Did. You're

3135
03:47:39,757 --> 03:47:42,037
talking to your friends there, but did you have something

3136
03:47:42,037 --> 03:47:46,958
to say to the rest of us. I did, Mr.

3137
03:47:46,958 --> 03:47:49,518
Mayor, and I thought councilor Falcons was going to say

3138
03:47:49,518 --> 03:47:53,958
it, if I recall. Correctly, counselor Falcons asked. Even if

3139
03:47:53,958 --> 03:47:58,979
we don't reduce the number of counselors. She would like

3140
03:47:58,979 --> 03:48:03,059
to see a boundary review, and I believe that that

3141
03:48:03,059 --> 03:48:06,979
would say, well, yes, the term split them. I totally

3142
03:48:06,979 --> 03:48:09,819
understand what you're saying, that splitting them is sort of

3143
03:48:09,819 --> 03:48:14,649
neat. And tidy. However. Part B on its own. Is

3144
03:48:14,649 --> 03:48:18,289
kind of contradictory because we've already defeated the first section.

3145
03:48:18,289 --> 03:48:23,969
I understand the vast majority. Potentially unanimous, will vote to

3146
03:48:23,969 --> 03:48:28,329
support a boundary review. But the line that says only

3147
03:48:28,329 --> 03:48:32,883
if we reduce the size of council. Is contradictory at

3148
03:48:32,883 --> 03:48:35,003
this point. I think the problem with the language in

3149
03:48:35,003 --> 03:48:41,088
it, but I thought that. Councilor falcons. Clearly. Conveyed that

3150
03:48:41,088 --> 03:48:43,048
thought, and that's what I thought she was going to

3151
03:48:43,048 --> 03:48:45,128
speak to, and I see her name there now. So

3152
03:48:45,128 --> 03:48:46,928
I'm going to go to councilor Fulkins. In a second

3153
03:48:46,928 --> 03:48:50,945
here. But we all saw it there, so it really

3154
03:48:50,945 --> 03:48:57,164
becomes redundant. Right now. However, if you do approve that,

3155
03:48:57,164 --> 03:49:00,164
if you do change the number of counselors, then. That

3156
03:49:00,164 --> 03:49:03,684
would automatically kick in if we go back and we're

3157
03:49:03,684 --> 03:49:07,324
going to say status quo. Then another motion would come

3158
03:49:07,324 --> 03:49:11,200
forward saying to do a boundary review. And I think

3159
03:49:11,200 --> 03:49:13,280
that's really how it was explained to councilor Folkins. But

3160
03:49:13,280 --> 03:49:16,480
maybe. We didn't get that through property. So, Councilor falcons,

3161
03:49:16,480 --> 03:49:20,364
you have a point of order. Something. Well, yes. Thank

3162
03:49:20,364 --> 03:49:23,004
you, Mr. Mayor. It's really hard remotely trying to get

3163
03:49:23,004 --> 03:49:25,244
in there to say that you want to amend it.

3164
03:49:27,310 --> 03:49:32,878
Because we went right away. To split the vote. We

3165
03:49:32,878 --> 03:49:36,388
have a chance to do it. But I'm going to

3166
03:49:36,388 --> 03:49:40,229
ask because. It's remote, and at the time, it's not

3167
03:49:40,229 --> 03:49:43,149
very good. Here to get this. In. Can I amend

3168
03:49:43,149 --> 03:49:47,509
that second section? No, because we already had full discussion.

3169
03:49:47,509 --> 03:49:49,909
The amendment should have happened before. We called the vote

3170
03:49:49,909 --> 03:49:53,149
on the entire thing. All we've done is just separated.

3171
03:49:53,149 --> 03:49:55,149
You can vote on one one way and on the

3172
03:49:55,149 --> 03:49:59,740
other way. It's not amendable right now, councilor. You called

3173
03:49:59,740 --> 03:50:02,420
the vote on ox for the first section, and I'm

3174
03:50:02,420 --> 03:50:04,420
trying to get in. For the second one, and he

3175
03:50:04,420 --> 03:50:06,740
can't because it's remote. But, council, my point. Is, it

3176
03:50:06,740 --> 03:50:10,060
should have been amended prior to it being put to

3177
03:50:10,060 --> 03:50:12,980
a vote. So just because it's been voted on separately.

3178
03:50:12,980 --> 03:50:16,220
We moved both of those items to the floor to

3179
03:50:16,220 --> 03:50:18,500
vote on. But all we did was vote on them

3180
03:50:18,500 --> 03:50:21,328
separately, so. You can't amend it. The amendment time is

3181
03:50:21,328 --> 03:50:24,969
gone. My best suggestion is instead of us talking about

3182
03:50:24,969 --> 03:50:28,609
this for 20 minutes, you have an opportunity to. Come

3183
03:50:28,609 --> 03:50:32,689
back with the motion to just simply say, review the

3184
03:50:32,689 --> 03:50:35,289
word boundaries and don't shake. Your head. It's correct. This

3185
03:50:35,289 --> 03:50:38,649
is how the process works, counselor. So we're going. To

3186
03:50:38,649 --> 03:50:41,089
have to proceed with this vote. You can vote it

3187
03:50:41,089 --> 03:50:44,793
down, which is really. Not essential because you can bring

3188
03:50:44,793 --> 03:50:47,873
it back. Even if we change the number of counselors,

3189
03:50:47,873 --> 03:50:50,953
it still can be brought back to review the boundaries.

3190
03:50:50,953 --> 03:50:53,233
I know this sounds like a lot of work. And

3191
03:50:53,233 --> 03:50:56,193
complicated, but it's really not. And I've given you a

3192
03:50:56,193 --> 03:51:00,218
very simple solution. To the whole thing. Councilor spec, you

3193
03:51:00,218 --> 03:51:02,098
still have wanted to say something, and I think we

3194
03:51:02,098 --> 03:51:05,178
should stop dealing with. The process here and get on

3195
03:51:05,178 --> 03:51:09,298
with getting this thing done. No. Very concisely voting yes.

3196
03:51:09,298 --> 03:51:14,407
Or no? What does that mean? Simply, it's very, again,

3197
03:51:14,407 --> 03:51:16,807
straightforward. If you vote yes, it's only going to happen.

3198
03:51:19,014 --> 03:51:21,934
If you change the number of counselors. But secondary to

3199
03:51:21,934 --> 03:51:24,174
that, which is it doesn't. Stop you from coming back

3200
03:51:24,174 --> 03:51:28,774
from another motion afterwards to say that no matter what

3201
03:51:28,774 --> 03:51:33,393
happens, We're doing word review, so it's not off the

3202
03:51:33,393 --> 03:51:35,833
table, it's just. Simply that you have to come back

3203
03:51:35,833 --> 03:51:37,913
with another motion. From what I've heard, if you vote

3204
03:51:37,913 --> 03:51:41,433
no, it's dead. And if you vote yes, it's only

3205
03:51:41,433 --> 03:51:44,833
if it's. Dead too. Because we've already voted not to

3206
03:51:44,833 --> 03:51:47,353
reduce the number. It's dead. Either. Which is why I

3207
03:51:47,353 --> 03:51:49,393
asked the question of five o. Yes. What happens if

3208
03:51:49,393 --> 03:51:53,175
I vote? No. What happens? Essentially the same thing. It's

3209
03:51:53,175 --> 03:51:55,015
all dead, so I don't know. Why? I don't know

3210
03:51:55,015 --> 03:51:58,396
why we're even voting, but anyway. Because it's been asked

3211
03:51:58,396 --> 03:52:00,556
to be separated and we have to vote on it

3212
03:52:00,556 --> 03:52:02,236
that's. Why we're voting on it. I think what you're

3213
03:52:02,236 --> 03:52:04,996
not taking into account is the spirit of the counselors.

3214
03:52:06,101 --> 03:52:08,061
Okay, counselors, it doesn't matter. This is where we're at,

3215
03:52:08,061 --> 03:52:10,621
right? This is. How it works. We're at here. I'm

3216
03:52:10,621 --> 03:52:13,341
telling you, we're talking a lot about nothing because it

3217
03:52:13,341 --> 03:52:15,941
really does not change the outcome at the very end.

3218
03:52:15,941 --> 03:52:19,965
And it's. Not my job to make. Things easier for

3219
03:52:19,965 --> 03:52:22,205
you by not following the rules. My job is to

3220
03:52:22,205 --> 03:52:24,805
follow the rules. So, madam. Clerk, could you take us

3221
03:52:24,805 --> 03:52:28,963
through that second part? Through you, Mr. Mayor. So the

3222
03:52:28,963 --> 03:52:31,483
second part is that the well and city council subsequently

3223
03:52:31,483 --> 03:52:34,203
direct staff. To conduct award boundary review only if a

3224
03:52:34,203 --> 03:52:36,683
change in the number of council members is approved voting.

3225
03:52:36,683 --> 03:52:37,043
Is open.

3226
03:52:54,672 --> 03:52:58,312
Okay, well, that motion fails, and the clerk has indicated

3227
03:52:58,312 --> 03:53:02,432
that that was included as part of the recorded vote.

3228
03:53:02,432 --> 03:53:05,712
So for the recorded vote, Councilor Kyokyo is in favor.

3229
03:53:05,712 --> 03:53:10,672
Councilor Demarco didn't vote. Councilor Falkins was opposed. Councilor Green

3230
03:53:10,672 --> 03:53:16,823
was opposed. Councilor Grimaldi was opposed. Councilor Lee was opposed.

3231
03:53:16,823 --> 03:53:19,863
Councilor McLeod was opposed. Councilor Moot was opposed. Councilor Richard

3232
03:53:19,863 --> 03:53:24,263
was opposed. Counselor Setaram was opposed. Councilor spec didn't vote.

3233
03:53:24,263 --> 03:53:27,303
Councilor van Bleet was opposed. Mayor Campion was opposed. The

3234
03:53:27,303 --> 03:53:34,983
motion is lost. Okay. I have Councilor Demarco. Yes. With

3235
03:53:34,983 --> 03:53:39,119
a point. Order. Mr. Mayor, I did vote. Okay. Could

3236
03:53:39,119 --> 03:53:42,654
you tell us what your vote was? And I can

3237
03:53:42,654 --> 03:53:46,002
see what councilor. Falkins is getting at it. Happens all

3238
03:53:46,002 --> 03:53:49,722
the time with me. So, councilor, your point? Of order

3239
03:53:49,722 --> 03:53:53,491
is you wanted to indicate that you had voted. In?

3240
03:53:53,491 --> 03:53:59,593
Yes, I did. In favor or opposed? Which one? In

3241
03:53:59,593 --> 03:54:02,736
opposition. Okay. Thank you, councilor. So I'm going to go

3242
03:54:02,736 --> 03:54:11,938
back to the clerk for a second here. Okay. I

3243
03:54:11,938 --> 03:54:14,098
just wanted to see what the proper process for this

3244
03:54:14,098 --> 03:54:22,641
was. And I agree with the clerk. So it's now

3245
03:54:22,641 --> 03:54:27,281
open for another counselor to bring forward another option to

3246
03:54:27,281 --> 03:54:31,761
insert in that. First part of that motion, which could

3247
03:54:31,761 --> 03:54:34,601
include status quo or one of the other two options

3248
03:54:34,601 --> 03:54:37,675
that are available. Is there a counselor who wishes to

3249
03:54:37,675 --> 03:54:41,644
do that? So it looks like Councilor green. Councilor Green.

3250
03:54:43,393 --> 03:54:48,191
Yeah. Thank you. I would. Move status quo and award

3251
03:54:48,191 --> 03:54:52,370
boundary review. Okay. And then you could amend that. Not

3252
03:54:52,370 --> 03:54:54,490
even amend it, but also include with that that an

3253
03:54:54,490 --> 03:54:59,073
award boundary review take place. Yeah. Thank you. I said

3254
03:54:59,073 --> 03:55:04,979
status quo and ward boundary review. Okay, so is there

3255
03:55:04,979 --> 03:55:11,654
a second or for that? Yeah. Councilors can split. Folks,

3256
03:55:11,654 --> 03:55:14,174
if there are two options, you certainly can, but we

3257
03:55:14,174 --> 03:55:15,654
need to know. If there's a second or before we

3258
03:55:15,654 --> 03:55:18,094
go that far. Is there second or for that? Councilor

3259
03:55:18,094 --> 03:55:22,067
Lee is seconding that. I don't think that there's a

3260
03:55:22,067 --> 03:55:24,227
requirement for a whole bunch of discussion on this. I

3261
03:55:24,227 --> 03:55:33,126
think we've discussed everything. Extremely. Deeply.

3262
03:55:34,325 --> 03:55:36,605
I don't know if somebody want to comment this, I

3263
03:55:36,605 --> 03:55:38,805
certainly will allow you to do so. But it might

3264
03:55:38,805 --> 03:55:41,285
be best just to go to a vote. But, councilor,

3265
03:55:41,285 --> 03:55:43,365
you have your. Hand up. Yeah. So can we split

3266
03:55:43,365 --> 03:55:45,325
it? Because I'm not in favor of twelve council. I

3267
03:55:45,325 --> 03:55:47,245
am in favor of the boundary review. Yeah, I already

3268
03:55:47,245 --> 03:55:52,272
indicate yes. It's going to be split. Okay. So, madam

3269
03:55:52,272 --> 03:56:02,233
clerk, you ready to go? Okay, so we are splitting

3270
03:56:02,233 --> 03:56:07,038
it with. The boundary review as part of it. The

3271
03:56:07,038 --> 03:56:10,198
second part, Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor. So the

3272
03:56:10,198 --> 03:56:13,158
first motion is that the council of the city of

3273
03:56:13,158 --> 03:56:16,118
Wellen remains status quo as far as. The number of

3274
03:56:16,118 --> 03:56:18,758
counselors. So that's the first one. And voting is open.

3275
03:56:20,244 --> 03:56:21,124
Recorded vote has been requested.

3276
03:56:33,525 --> 03:56:40,251
Someone has not voted. We'll find out. Voting in a

3277
03:56:40,251 --> 03:56:40,531
recorded vote.

3278
03:56:51,693 --> 03:56:56,053
So for the recorded vote, Councilor Kyokyo was opposed. Councilor

3279
03:56:56,053 --> 03:56:58,613
Demarco was. In favor. Councilor Fulkins was in favor. Councilor

3280
03:56:58,613 --> 03:57:01,493
Green is in favor. Councilor. Gormaldi is in favor. Councilor

3281
03:57:01,493 --> 03:57:03,853
Lee is in favor. Councilor McLeod is in favor. Councilor

3282
03:57:03,853 --> 03:57:07,093
Moot is in favor. Councilor Richard is in favor. Councilor

3283
03:57:07,093 --> 03:57:12,051
Sederam. Is in favor. Councilor spec is opposed. Council. Van

3284
03:57:12,051 --> 03:57:19,633
Vleette did not vote. The motion carries. Okay. So that

3285
03:57:19,633 --> 03:57:22,313
is carried. And now we'll have the clerk go on

3286
03:57:22,313 --> 03:57:26,339
to the second portion. So the second portion is that

3287
03:57:26,339 --> 03:57:29,099
the council of the City of Wellan conducts award boundary

3288
03:57:29,099 --> 03:57:38,884
review. And voting is open. Sorry, councilor, you can't

3289
03:57:38,884 --> 03:57:41,004
leave the votes been called.

3290
03:57:50,562 --> 03:57:55,593
So for the recorded vote, To conduct award boundary review.

3291
03:57:55,593 --> 03:57:58,073
Councilor Kyokyo was in favor. Councilor Demarco. Was in favor.

3292
03:57:58,073 --> 03:58:01,313
Councilor Falkins was in favor. Councilor Green is in favor.

3293
03:58:01,313 --> 03:58:04,393
Councilor. Grimaldi is in favor. Councilor Lee is in favor.

3294
03:58:04,393 --> 03:58:06,913
Councilor McLeod is in favor. Councilor Moot is in favor.

3295
03:58:06,913 --> 03:58:10,743
Councilor Richard is in favor. Councilor Sarah is in favor.

3296
03:58:10,743 --> 03:58:13,983
Councilor spec is in favor. Council van Lee didn't vote.

3297
03:58:13,983 --> 03:58:19,718
Mayor camping is in favor. The motion carries. Okay. So.

3298
03:58:21,947 --> 03:58:26,570
We are now in a position to carry on. All

3299
03:58:26,570 --> 03:58:33,656
right. So we will carry on. And I will now

3300
03:58:33,656 --> 03:58:39,704
go to the clerk for bylaws, madam. Clerk. Through you,

3301
03:58:39,704 --> 03:58:48,725
Mr. Mayors. So pulled by councilor spec bylaw 7.8. Councilor

3302
03:58:48,725 --> 03:58:51,205
spec you pulled by law 7.8. Would you like to

3303
03:58:51,205 --> 03:58:59,200
move that? For the efficiency of time. Yes. Second. Seconded

3304
03:58:59,200 --> 03:59:02,760
by councilor Moot. Councilor spec did you want to speak

3305
03:59:02,760 --> 03:59:08,250
to that? Could I have staff. Answer. What exactly? Is

3306
03:59:08,250 --> 03:59:12,553
amended within the bylaw. Three merry campus. This is to

3307
03:59:12,553 --> 03:59:18,104
add additional staff that have been. Recently hired in the

3308
03:59:18,104 --> 03:59:24,107
building division. Councilor. And these are all filling, preexisting positions.

3309
03:59:27,009 --> 03:59:32,628
Mr. Monday through Mayor Campion. Yes, councilor. Thank you. Okay,

3310
03:59:32,628 --> 03:59:34,548
go to the clerk to vote for the first, second

3311
03:59:34,548 --> 03:59:39,655
and third reading of bylaw. Identified in 7.8 bylaw number

3312
03:59:39,655 --> 03:59:43,044
2021 40. Voting is open.

3313
03:59:50,448 --> 03:59:57,557
Okay, motions carried, and we will now move on. To.

3314
03:59:59,326 --> 04:00:04,325
Sorry, madam clerk. Other ones through you, Mr. Mayor. So

3315
04:00:04,325 --> 04:00:08,205
due to staff reports being pulled by law 7.17.2 and

3316
04:00:08,205 --> 04:00:11,285
7.3 need to be approved. Great. Thank you. So I'm

3317
04:00:11,285 --> 04:00:13,165
looking for mover and segment with the first, second and

3318
04:00:13,165 --> 04:00:16,005
third reading of those bylaws. It's moved by councilor van

3319
04:00:16,005 --> 04:00:19,999
Leeton. Seconded by councilor Richard. Madam Clerk, if you take

3320
04:00:19,999 --> 04:00:22,805
us through the vote. Voting is open.

3321
04:00:34,582 --> 04:00:39,494
That motion is carried. Okay, so I think we're now

3322
04:00:39,494 --> 04:00:48,508
in a position to move on to section 8.1. So,

3323
04:00:48,508 --> 04:00:51,628
councilor, matters discussed with staff for reporting purposes. And this

3324
04:00:51,628 --> 04:00:54,388
is just to inform the public. That you have contacted

3325
04:00:54,388 --> 04:00:57,388
staff on a particular item and reporting back what the

3326
04:00:57,388 --> 04:01:02,254
answer was, it's? Not for debate or discussion. Just the

3327
04:01:02,254 --> 04:01:06,847
passing on of information again, Councilor Van Bleet. Thank you,

3328
04:01:06,847 --> 04:01:09,762
Mr. Mayor. I have one issue. And I have discussed

3329
04:01:09,762 --> 04:01:12,282
it with staff. In fact, I went to our CIO

3330
04:01:12,282 --> 04:01:16,657
with it. It was over a residential water bill. And

3331
04:01:16,657 --> 04:01:18,137
at the end of the day, all I want to

3332
04:01:18,137 --> 04:01:21,177
do is, I just want to publicly. Thank all of

3333
04:01:21,177 --> 04:01:23,137
staff for the work that they did on this here.

3334
04:01:23,137 --> 04:01:27,717
It resolved the issue. To the satisfaction of the resident.

3335
04:01:29,015 --> 04:01:31,855
And quite frankly, it saved the resident a lot of

3336
04:01:31,855 --> 04:01:35,495
money. Probably saved them $4,000. A year by our staff

3337
04:01:35,495 --> 04:01:37,375
stepping into it and helping out. So I just want

3338
04:01:37,375 --> 04:01:39,775
to publicly thank them. I think they did a great

3339
04:01:39,775 --> 04:01:45,606
job. And too many times. We hear criticism of staff

3340
04:01:45,606 --> 04:01:47,446
that they didn't do it. Well, this time they did

3341
04:01:47,446 --> 04:01:49,206
it. And they did it right. And thank you very

3342
04:01:49,206 --> 04:01:54,615
much. Thank you. Councilor. Councilor Sedaram. Thank you, sir. Ms.

3343
04:01:54,615 --> 04:02:00,860
Mayor, just reporting that. Staff are working on safety messaging

3344
04:02:00,860 --> 04:02:04,460
for the coil creek and a retention pond. Another retention

3345
04:02:04,460 --> 04:02:08,981
pond. As there were residents who called in with concerns

3346
04:02:08,981 --> 04:02:14,899
about children who were supervised and unsupervised. Playing on the

3347
04:02:14,899 --> 04:02:19,019
pond, which is a significant safety concern, and that is

3348
04:02:19,019 --> 04:02:21,499
not the purpose it's. Not a recreational pawn. So just

3349
04:02:21,499 --> 04:02:24,939
acknowledging that that has been received by staff and that

3350
04:02:24,939 --> 04:02:28,899
they're working on safety messaging that can be shared to

3351
04:02:28,899 --> 04:02:33,892
help raise awareness. Thank you. Thanks, councilor. Now moving on

3352
04:02:33,892 --> 04:02:39,592
to notice motion. Previously submitted for discussion and Councilor DeMarco,

3353
04:02:39,592 --> 04:02:43,152
you have one listed here if you'd. Like to move

3354
04:02:43,152 --> 04:02:45,272
it, please. Read it and we'll see if there's a

3355
04:02:45,272 --> 04:02:54,277
second. Councilor? Yes, thank you.

3356
04:02:56,558 --> 04:02:59,118
In regard to this notice of motion that has been

3357
04:02:59,118 --> 04:03:04,573
on the last three agendas or whatever. It's been. I

3358
04:03:04,573 --> 04:03:12,990
have right here an email. From dated November 21. To

3359
04:03:12,990 --> 04:03:19,854
the clerk. That clearly states, please remove. The notice of

3360
04:03:19,854 --> 04:03:26,130
motion from the agenda. Okay. When I submitted the agenda

3361
04:03:26,130 --> 04:03:33,297
or the item. First off, I was told that. I

3362
04:03:33,297 --> 04:03:38,368
had to. That's correct. Change it. Move something. And I

3363
04:03:38,368 --> 04:03:41,728
don't know what happened, but I got about three emails.

3364
04:03:41,728 --> 04:03:47,426
Okay, understood. Understood. Thank you. So move on to Councilor

3365
04:03:47,426 --> 04:03:52,155
Setaram. I guess we won't move on to councilor said,

3366
04:03:52,155 --> 04:03:52,555
or am.

3367
04:04:11,412 --> 04:04:14,772
I catch your breath there and I'll just repeat. So

3368
04:04:14,772 --> 04:04:17,532
you have noticed motion on the floor or on the

3369
04:04:17,532 --> 04:04:19,492
agenda. If you wish to move it, please read it

3370
04:04:19,492 --> 04:04:20,972
and we'll see if there's a second or for that.

3371
04:04:28,990 --> 04:04:33,400
Thank you. It's a little bit long, so just bear

3372
04:04:33,400 --> 04:04:40,159
with me. Whereas municipalities face growing infrastructure needs, including roads,

3373
04:04:40,159 --> 04:04:44,639
bridges, public transit, water systems and other critical services, which

3374
04:04:44,639 --> 04:04:48,559
are essential to community well being and economic development. And

3375
04:04:48,559 --> 04:04:52,919
whereas the current sources of municipal revenue, including property taxes

3376
04:04:52,919 --> 04:04:57,337
and user fees are insufficient. To meet these increasing demands

3377
04:04:57,337 --> 04:05:01,817
for infrastructure investment. And whereas the province of Ontario currently

3378
04:05:01,817 --> 04:05:07,501
collects the land transfer tax on property transactions. In municipalities

3379
04:05:07,501 --> 04:05:11,621
across the province generating significant revenue that is not directly

3380
04:05:11,621 --> 04:05:15,421
shared with municipalities. And whereas the federal government collects the

3381
04:05:15,421 --> 04:05:21,181
goods and services tax GST on property transactions, a portion

3382
04:05:21,181 --> 04:05:23,941
of which could be directed to municipalities to address local

3383
04:05:23,941 --> 04:05:27,881
infrastructure needs. And whereas redistributing. A portion of the provincial

3384
04:05:27,881 --> 04:05:32,547
land tax. And GST to municipalities would provide a predictable

3385
04:05:32,547 --> 04:05:36,587
and sustainable source of funding for local infrastructure projects. Without

3386
04:05:36,587 --> 04:05:40,467
creating a new tax burden on residents or home buyers.

3387
04:05:40,467 --> 04:05:43,267
And further, whereas the redistribution of a portion of the

3388
04:05:43,267 --> 04:05:47,907
existing land transfer tax, and GST would allow municipalities to

3389
04:05:47,907 --> 04:05:52,821
better plan and invest. In long term infrastructure initiatives, supporting

3390
04:05:52,821 --> 04:05:55,701
local economic growth and improving the quality of life for

3391
04:05:55,701 --> 04:06:00,381
residents. Now therefore beat resolve that the council, the city

3392
04:06:00,381 --> 04:06:04,661
of Wellin, formally requests the provincial government to consider redistributing

3393
04:06:04,661 --> 04:06:07,861
a portion of the land transfer tax collected on property

3394
04:06:07,861 --> 04:06:12,376
transactions to municipalities. And. That too. That the Wellens City

3395
04:06:12,376 --> 04:06:15,852
Council. Sorry, this word. City calls on the federal government

3396
04:06:15,852 --> 04:06:19,252
to allocate a percentage of the GST collected on property

3397
04:06:19,252 --> 04:06:22,452
sales to municipalities and three, that the redistribution of the

3398
04:06:22,452 --> 04:06:25,692
land transfer tax and GSt should be structured to provide

3399
04:06:25,692 --> 04:06:29,652
predictable and sustainable funding to municipalities, allowing for better long

3400
04:06:29,652 --> 04:06:33,572
term planning and investment. And infrastructure projects that benefit local

3401
04:06:33,572 --> 04:06:36,817
communities. Thus, Ensuring that local governments receive a fair share

3402
04:06:36,817 --> 04:06:40,617
of the revenue to address critical infrastructure needs and that

3403
04:06:40,617 --> 04:06:42,937
four that copies of the resolution before to the prime

3404
04:06:42,937 --> 04:06:47,857
minister Justin Trudeau Premiere Doug Ford, the Ontario Minister of

3405
04:06:47,857 --> 04:06:51,057
Finance, the Minister of municipal affairs and housing, local members

3406
04:06:51,057 --> 04:06:54,137
of parliament and members of the provincial parliament and further.

3407
04:06:55,350 --> 04:06:59,230
Copies of this resolution be forwarded to all 444 municipalities

3408
04:06:59,230 --> 04:07:03,230
in Ontario. The Federation of Canadian Municipalities and the association

3409
04:07:03,230 --> 04:07:08,300
of Municipalities of Ontario for their endorsement and advocacy. All

3410
04:07:08,300 --> 04:07:12,071
right. Is there a second or for that motion? Seconded

3411
04:07:12,071 --> 04:07:15,031
by councilor moot. Councilor? Said Ram, if you wish to

3412
04:07:15,031 --> 04:07:17,391
speak to your motion. Go ahead. Yes, thank you. I'll

3413
04:07:17,391 --> 04:07:19,831
keep it brief since the motion itself is long. Winded.

3414
04:07:21,960 --> 04:07:26,230
I'm bringing forward this motion that is coming. From the

3415
04:07:26,230 --> 04:07:31,110
town of Aurora through their mayor, who's been contacting councils

3416
04:07:31,110 --> 04:07:35,421
across Ontario. To bring forward this motion for consideration to

3417
04:07:35,421 --> 04:07:40,941
their councils. So far, 80 municipalities have signed on to

3418
04:07:40,941 --> 04:07:46,941
this motion during our budget discussions, we've discussed at length

3419
04:07:46,941 --> 04:07:50,821
the increases to property taxes on residents and that it

3420
04:07:50,821 --> 04:07:54,741
is reaching a breaking point. We also. Just even heard

3421
04:07:54,741 --> 04:07:59,261
discussions around critical infrastructure projects this evening. And those quarterly

3422
04:07:59,261 --> 04:08:02,781
reviews that we're seeing and that we have further infrastructure

3423
04:08:02,781 --> 04:08:05,621
needs that are coming along with our development. So this

3424
04:08:05,621 --> 04:08:09,369
I brought forward as a means to. Kind of look

3425
04:08:09,369 --> 04:08:12,809
at as part of that new funding model that we've

3426
04:08:12,809 --> 04:08:16,489
been discussing at FCM and amo that we've heard about,

3427
04:08:16,489 --> 04:08:21,329
making sure that municipalities have more resources and funding options.

3428
04:08:21,329 --> 04:08:23,369
So this is why I've brought this forward, for your

3429
04:08:23,369 --> 04:08:26,959
consideration, and I hope to have your endorsement. Thank you,

3430
04:08:26,959 --> 04:08:32,228
Councilor Grimaldi. Thank you, Mayor Campion. I just want to

3431
04:08:32,228 --> 04:08:37,980
say that I will support. This. Notice emotion. It's very

3432
04:08:37,980 --> 04:08:41,500
important, and I thank councilor Setaran for bringing it forward.

3433
04:08:43,187 --> 04:08:48,765
Councilor mcleod. Oh, sorry, Councilor falcons. I missed you there.

3434
04:08:50,209 --> 04:08:54,855
Sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you,

3435
04:08:54,855 --> 04:08:58,095
Councilor Cedaram, for bringing this forward in our console. Information

3436
04:08:58,095 --> 04:09:04,024
packages. We have been getting notices since November. On the

3437
04:09:04,024 --> 04:09:09,504
exact same motion by different municipalities, so this is not

3438
04:09:09,504 --> 04:09:12,908
new. We should have all been looking at this, and

3439
04:09:12,908 --> 04:09:16,121
I believe. It's a good tool to have in our

3440
04:09:16,121 --> 04:09:21,980
toolbox for additional funding. So I will report this motion.

3441
04:09:21,980 --> 04:09:27,142
Councilor McLeod. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I appreciate the motion. I've

3442
04:09:27,142 --> 04:09:29,542
read it a number of times, and obviously now it's

3443
04:09:29,542 --> 04:09:35,601
before us. The challenge I have, Mr. Mayor. Municipality can't

3444
04:09:35,601 --> 04:09:39,681
run a deficit, which is great. Responsible government. Everybody knows

3445
04:09:39,681 --> 04:09:43,249
we have to raise the funds that we spend. Provincial

3446
04:09:43,249 --> 04:09:46,049
government, federal government can run a deficit and have been.

3447
04:09:47,645 --> 04:09:50,769
And now we're asking for some of their revenue. Which

3448
04:09:50,769 --> 04:09:54,575
ultimately. If they end up doing this, they're just going

3449
04:09:54,575 --> 04:09:56,935
to tax at their end to make up what they've

3450
04:09:56,935 --> 04:10:01,531
given us. And so the taxpayer that we represent is

3451
04:10:01,531 --> 04:10:03,971
the same taxpayer that pays the GST is the same

3452
04:10:03,971 --> 04:10:06,171
one that pays the land transfer taxes, the same one

3453
04:10:06,171 --> 04:10:09,172
that pays income tax. So that is the challenge that

3454
04:10:09,172 --> 04:10:10,892
I have with this. It's not the spirit of it.

3455
04:10:10,892 --> 04:10:14,585
It's not that we don't need the funds. We're asking

3456
04:10:14,585 --> 04:10:17,265
funds to be spent on infrastructure and have a steady

3457
04:10:17,265 --> 04:10:21,676
stream. But in the end. We're all paying for it

3458
04:10:21,676 --> 04:10:25,436
anyways. It's just coming from one pocket to. The other,

3459
04:10:25,436 --> 04:10:27,789
so. That is the challenge I have with the motion.

3460
04:10:29,335 --> 04:10:31,615
Not necessarily with the motion. Actually, that's the challenge I

3461
04:10:31,615 --> 04:10:34,535
have with the provincial government running. A deficit and the

3462
04:10:34,535 --> 04:10:38,401
federal government running a deficit. By asking for some of

3463
04:10:38,401 --> 04:10:41,801
the revenue. They run a bigger deficit and we all

3464
04:10:41,801 --> 04:10:45,885
end up paying. More. So if someone would like to

3465
04:10:45,885 --> 04:10:50,496
help me get over that hurdle. That would help. Me

3466
04:10:50,496 --> 04:10:54,604
sign on to this motion. Thank you. Anyone want to

3467
04:10:54,604 --> 04:11:01,715
try to help the councilor leap over the hurdle? I

3468
04:11:01,715 --> 04:11:04,275
don't have any other speakers, so I will go to

3469
04:11:04,275 --> 04:11:09,196
the clerk for the vote. Voting is open.

3470
04:11:17,196 --> 04:11:22,056
Motion is carried. Recorded votes been requested, so.

3471
04:11:39,665 --> 04:11:42,025
Recorded vote has been requested, and we are re voting

3472
04:11:42,025 --> 04:11:42,065
now.

3473
04:12:05,275 --> 04:12:08,155
So for the recorded vote, Councilor Kyokyo was in favor.

3474
04:12:08,155 --> 04:12:11,275
Councilor Demarco. Is in favor. Councilor Falkins is in favor.

3475
04:12:11,275 --> 04:12:14,315
Councilor Green is in favor. Councilor. Germaldi is in favor.

3476
04:12:14,315 --> 04:12:17,435
Councilor Lee is in favor. Councilor McLeod is. Opposed. Councilor

3477
04:12:17,435 --> 04:12:20,475
Moot is in favor. Councilor Richard is in favor. Councilor

3478
04:12:20,475 --> 04:12:24,115
Sederam. Is in favor. Councilor spec didn't vote, so that's

3479
04:12:24,115 --> 04:12:27,960
taken. As opposed. Councilor van Lee is in favor. Mayor

3480
04:12:27,960 --> 04:12:34,484
camping as opposed. The motion carries. Okay. So, moving on.

3481
04:12:36,256 --> 04:12:40,336
Councilor Fulkins, you have a motion or notice? Motion listed

3482
04:12:40,336 --> 04:12:43,216
on the agenda, I believe. You've been advised that it's

3483
04:12:43,216 --> 04:12:45,456
out of order, and I will go to the clerk

3484
04:12:45,456 --> 04:12:50,540
to explain why that's out of order. Through you, Mr.

3485
04:12:50,540 --> 04:12:54,180
Mayor. So information was provided to councilor focus on Thursday

3486
04:12:54,180 --> 04:12:57,020
with regards to the notice of motion. So it being

3487
04:12:57,020 --> 04:13:00,020
out of order. So it's based on section 701. Of

3488
04:13:00,020 --> 04:13:04,100
the community grants policy, which outlines the evaluation and approval

3489
04:13:04,100 --> 04:13:11,209
process, specifically providing ratings for individual applications and evaluator. Comprise

3490
04:13:11,209 --> 04:13:16,352
compromises the integrity of the process. And exceeds council prescribed

3491
04:13:16,352 --> 04:13:20,761
role as outlined in the policy. Okay, so your motion

3492
04:13:20,761 --> 04:13:23,321
is out of order, councilor Falcons, and I say you

3493
04:13:23,321 --> 04:13:32,642
were advised of. That. Sorry. Okay, I can speak.

3494
04:13:34,520 --> 04:13:38,057
I am not sure. Yes, but not to your motion,

3495
04:13:38,057 --> 04:13:42,877
just. If you can comment on it being ruled out

3496
04:13:42,877 --> 04:13:49,283
of order. Yes. I'm not sure what the clerk interpreted.

3497
04:13:52,692 --> 04:13:57,938
This motion to be. I wasn't asking for individual ratings.

3498
04:13:57,938 --> 04:14:02,512
I was asking for the matrix. Of you have five

3499
04:14:02,512 --> 04:14:07,816
criteria here. So I would like to know what weight

3500
04:14:07,816 --> 04:14:12,616
in that decision does. Each five criteria carries is 120.

3501
04:14:12,616 --> 04:14:18,448
Percent. Are they all 20%? Is when? 30%, some 10%.

3502
04:14:18,448 --> 04:14:21,008
That's what I'm looking for, and I do not believe

3503
04:14:21,008 --> 04:14:25,816
that's out of order. I'm not asking for individual rates

3504
04:14:25,816 --> 04:14:29,363
and asking how it says that. It's going to be.

3505
04:14:31,282 --> 04:14:38,457
What's the rule? It says using the following criteria. So

3506
04:14:38,457 --> 04:14:43,359
I'm asking for the scoring. Or the ratings, the grading

3507
04:14:43,359 --> 04:14:47,039
process of each one of those criteria. So when people

3508
04:14:47,039 --> 04:14:50,639
want to apply for these grants, they can say, okay,

3509
04:14:50,639 --> 04:14:55,181
this is 20%, 30%, whatever. We also have a grading

3510
04:14:55,181 --> 04:14:57,821
process for cips because I know that has come to

3511
04:14:57,821 --> 04:15:02,770
counsel before. And whether we're going to prove Cips. Why

3512
04:15:02,770 --> 04:15:08,000
can't we see a grading process or rating? Associated with

3513
04:15:08,000 --> 04:15:09,880
this. The clerk did not reach out to ask for

3514
04:15:09,880 --> 04:15:12,280
a clarification for it. Just said it was out of

3515
04:15:12,280 --> 04:15:16,886
order. So why is that out of order? So, first

3516
04:15:16,886 --> 04:15:20,046
of all, counselor, you were advised it was out of

3517
04:15:20,046 --> 04:15:27,056
order. And your comment with regards to. Further comment, I

3518
04:15:27,056 --> 04:15:30,536
think it would be your best interest to have said

3519
04:15:30,536 --> 04:15:32,296
that when you were ruled out of order by the

3520
04:15:32,296 --> 04:15:35,296
clerk via email as opposed to sort of throwing it

3521
04:15:35,296 --> 04:15:38,016
back at the clerk during a council meeting. I think

3522
04:15:38,016 --> 04:15:42,652
that's. Very unfair for you to say that. So I

3523
04:15:42,652 --> 04:15:45,612
will go to the clerk to see if what you've

3524
04:15:45,612 --> 04:15:50,875
just said makes any. Difference, but. Certainly. You're putting the

3525
04:15:50,875 --> 04:15:53,915
onus on her to ask you specifically. When I read

3526
04:15:53,915 --> 04:15:57,660
it, I. Felt the same way. So you had. Every

3527
04:15:57,660 --> 04:16:01,380
opportunity, and I think a responsibility to have put just

3528
04:16:01,380 --> 04:16:03,140
what you just said in an email. Back to the

3529
04:16:03,140 --> 04:16:05,620
clerk so that she could analyze that instead of her

3530
04:16:05,620 --> 04:16:07,860
perbing on the spot. Rate this evening to deal with

3531
04:16:07,860 --> 04:16:11,841
it, Madam Clerk. Through you, Mr. Mayor, as outlined for

3532
04:16:11,841 --> 04:16:17,206
the counselor. The details that it was interpreted from the

3533
04:16:17,206 --> 04:16:20,286
notice of motion she put forward was provided to her.

3534
04:16:20,286 --> 04:16:22,766
And it's ruled to be out of order. I suggest

3535
04:16:22,766 --> 04:16:28,295
the counselor look at providing working with myself. To clarify

3536
04:16:28,295 --> 04:16:30,375
what she's looking for, and then we can put forward

3537
04:16:30,375 --> 04:16:33,935
a notice emotion that reflects that direct request. Okay, so,

3538
04:16:33,935 --> 04:16:39,335
councilor, focus, as the interpretation was, and I believe is

3539
04:16:39,335 --> 04:16:42,415
it. Remains out of order, but you have the opportunity

3540
04:16:42,415 --> 04:16:44,375
to work with the clerk to bring it back. So

3541
04:16:44,375 --> 04:16:48,380
that she can determine the proper. Wording to achieve what

3542
04:16:48,380 --> 04:16:50,820
you want to do and also to clarify if it's

3543
04:16:50,820 --> 04:16:55,315
in order or not. So I would suggest that. You

3544
04:16:55,315 --> 04:16:57,595
work with the clerk on that to make sure everybody

3545
04:16:57,595 --> 04:17:01,038
understands what you're trying to. Get. So at this point,

3546
04:17:01,038 --> 04:17:03,958
it is out of order. And I have Councilor Demarco.

3547
04:17:05,425 --> 04:17:09,257
First. I'm not sure what Councilor Demarco wants. Counselors. Mark,

3548
04:17:09,257 --> 04:17:12,057
I need a little clarification. I think I heard the

3549
04:17:12,057 --> 04:17:21,882
clerk say. 7.17.1. Is she referring to? Our

3550
04:17:21,882 --> 04:17:25,282
procedural bylaw. No, she's not. She's speaking about something else.

3551
04:17:26,644 --> 04:17:29,806
This motion is now not on the table. It gets

3552
04:17:29,806 --> 04:17:32,433
out of order, and she's been. Asked. But the 7.1

3553
04:17:32,433 --> 04:17:35,513
is all about. Yes, Madam Clerk. She did read it.

3554
04:17:35,513 --> 04:17:39,433
Madam Clerk. Through you, Ms. Merritt. Section 7.0 of the

3555
04:17:39,433 --> 04:17:47,437
community grants policy. Thank you. Okay. So I have a

3556
04:17:47,437 --> 04:17:49,237
notice of motion which I wish to bring forward, so

3557
04:17:49,237 --> 04:17:52,797
I'm going. To ask councilor moot to her vice mayor

3558
04:17:52,797 --> 04:17:55,037
moot to take over for the time. Being.

3559
04:18:07,510 --> 04:18:13,436
All right, I'm back. And I forgot my sheets over

3560
04:18:13,436 --> 04:18:16,656
there. So this notice of motion.

3561
04:18:23,498 --> 04:18:27,138
Councilor Demarco, do you have a point of order? Yes.

3562
04:18:27,138 --> 04:18:36,785
Thank you, Vice Mayor Glute. This was to. Be

3563
04:18:36,785 --> 04:18:40,682
spoken in a very, I guess, short time. Was this

3564
04:18:40,682 --> 04:18:45,462
not in camera information? Are you referring to Mayor Campion's

3565
04:18:45,462 --> 04:18:50,490
notice of motion? Yes. I will have to turn that

3566
04:18:50,490 --> 04:18:55,280
over to the clerk for that. And if you recall,

3567
04:18:55,280 --> 04:18:58,560
there was direction from council that's not being followed here.

3568
04:19:00,170 --> 04:19:01,890
Okay, I'm going to turn this over to the clerk.

3569
04:19:03,833 --> 04:19:07,979
1 second. All right, thank you. Through you chair the

3570
04:19:07,979 --> 04:19:12,299
information that's included within this notice motion is not information

3571
04:19:12,299 --> 04:19:15,976
from in camera. It is permissible to be public information.

3572
04:19:17,609 --> 04:19:23,324
Councilor. I sort of disagree with that.

3573
04:19:28,474 --> 04:19:31,034
So you could challenge the chair, but you can't challenge

3574
04:19:31,034 --> 04:19:39,849
the clerk. Well, no. The way it reads. We all

3575
04:19:39,849 --> 04:19:46,035
know what happened. No, I understand what you're saying, Councilor

3576
04:19:46,035 --> 04:19:51,768
Demarco. Okay. It's out here now. Right. It's on the

3577
04:19:51,768 --> 04:19:56,403
paper. Not trying to put you on a spot, vice,

3578
04:19:56,403 --> 04:20:00,763
Snyder, but I know this was going to. I tried

3579
04:20:00,763 --> 04:20:03,523
to get answers, but I never got on prior to

3580
04:20:03,523 --> 04:20:06,203
this, so. Okay, let's just. Proceed. Yeah, no need to

3581
04:20:06,203 --> 04:20:09,363
apologize. Just trying to move the meeting along, so thank

3582
04:20:09,363 --> 04:20:15,098
you for that. Counselor. And thank you, madam. Clerk. So

3583
04:20:15,098 --> 04:20:19,098
at this point, I will turn to Mayor Campin and

3584
04:20:19,098 --> 04:20:21,658
ask Mayor Campton to move his motion if he so

3585
04:20:21,658 --> 04:20:24,883
wishes. You have to turn your mic off so this

3586
04:20:24,883 --> 04:20:30,389
one comes on. There we go. Sorry, I didn't see

3587
04:20:30,389 --> 04:20:32,709
that was on. Okay. Yes, I do wish to move

3588
04:20:32,709 --> 04:20:37,076
it and see if there is a second. Whereas the

3589
04:20:37,076 --> 04:20:39,876
public and press are asking for information as to why

3590
04:20:39,876 --> 04:20:43,116
councilor Demarco has not been attending council meetings in person

3591
04:20:43,116 --> 04:20:48,245
in council chambers. And whereas there is an inaccurate. And

3592
04:20:48,245 --> 04:20:52,645
speculative information circulating in the community. And whereas the discussions

3593
04:20:52,645 --> 04:20:55,805
on this matter have been held in camera. Now, therefore,

3594
04:20:55,805 --> 04:20:58,565
it be resolved that the council of city well authorizes

3595
04:20:58,565 --> 04:21:01,445
and direct staff to bring a report on this matter

3596
04:21:01,445 --> 04:21:05,928
in open session to provide transparency and accurate information. Reference

3597
04:21:05,928 --> 04:21:14,608
number 2160. Thanks. Mayor Campion. Looking for a seconder? I

3598
04:21:14,608 --> 04:21:18,337
have a point of order. From Councilor Kyokyo. Thank you,

3599
04:21:18,337 --> 04:21:19,817
Mr. Vice mayor. I believe that would be out of

3600
04:21:19,817 --> 04:21:22,817
order his motion, seeing the fact that the majority of

3601
04:21:22,817 --> 04:21:25,537
information was held in camera. So I've already made a

3602
04:21:25,537 --> 04:21:28,777
ruling on that. The clerk advised from the clerk. I'm

3603
04:21:28,777 --> 04:21:31,057
sorry. Let me just rephrase that. I believe this is

3604
04:21:31,057 --> 04:21:35,897
out of border because the report that should include and

3605
04:21:35,897 --> 04:21:38,977
will. Include all the information in camera is an in

3606
04:21:38,977 --> 04:21:41,737
camera item, so I believe that motion is out. Of

3607
04:21:41,737 --> 04:21:46,621
order. Give me a second. Could I respond to that?

3608
04:21:59,147 --> 04:22:06,230
So speaking with the clerk so. You're quite right, counselor,

3609
04:22:06,230 --> 04:22:10,790
that the information is in camera material. However, a vote

3610
04:22:10,790 --> 04:22:13,830
of this council is bringing it out into public. We

3611
04:22:13,830 --> 04:22:20,236
have to approve it. Oh, sorry. Hold on. So for

3612
04:22:20,236 --> 04:22:23,716
clarification to report that will be put together from staff

3613
04:22:23,716 --> 04:22:26,716
is all the information that was held in camera, every

3614
04:22:26,716 --> 04:22:28,396
bit of it. I'm not sure if it would be.

3615
04:22:28,396 --> 04:22:30,276
Every bit. Well, it has to be if you want

3616
04:22:30,276 --> 04:22:32,116
to report, it's got to be. All the information from

3617
04:22:32,116 --> 04:22:36,156
in camera. Not cherry picking. I don't know everything from

3618
04:22:36,156 --> 04:22:40,805
in camera. I mean everything. Is that a request? Or

3619
04:22:40,805 --> 04:22:42,485
everything. Well, let's get it on the floor first and

3620
04:22:42,485 --> 04:22:46,091
we'll talk about. How? We do this. Okay, so I

3621
04:22:46,091 --> 04:22:52,051
need a seconder, Councilor McLeod. Okay. Counselor or Mayor Campion.

3622
04:22:52,051 --> 04:22:56,957
Go ahead. Yes. Thank you very much. So, nothing in

3623
04:22:56,957 --> 04:23:01,892
this notice of motion? Comes from in camera what this

3624
04:23:01,892 --> 04:23:04,452
notice of motion is going to or trying to do

3625
04:23:04,452 --> 04:23:08,932
if it's supported by counsel is bring out information from

3626
04:23:08,932 --> 04:23:13,452
the in camera sessions, as it might relate to councilor

3627
04:23:13,452 --> 04:23:19,262
DeMarco and not being able to attend. Council chambers. There's

3628
04:23:19,262 --> 04:23:22,782
nothing wrong with that. Council has the ability on any

3629
04:23:22,782 --> 04:23:26,302
item discussed in camera to. Bring it into open session.

3630
04:23:26,302 --> 04:23:29,142
That is a decision of counsel. The majority of council

3631
04:23:29,142 --> 04:23:31,422
will determine if it can come into open session or

3632
04:23:31,422 --> 04:23:34,782
not. That's why I'm bringing this motion. Forward today is

3633
04:23:34,782 --> 04:23:39,800
to seek that approval to direct staff. And authorize them.

3634
04:23:39,800 --> 04:23:43,040
You see the word authorized? So council is authorizing them

3635
04:23:43,040 --> 04:23:45,957
to come forward. With a report. As to some of

3636
04:23:45,957 --> 04:23:48,917
the in camera information. Again, I don't want to get

3637
04:23:48,917 --> 04:23:51,997
into details. Because I can't. Because we don't have the

3638
04:23:51,997 --> 04:23:54,237
authority to do that at this. Point if this moves

3639
04:23:54,237 --> 04:23:57,816
forward. What I'm not expecting. Mayor Campion, can I interrupt

3640
04:23:57,816 --> 04:23:59,256
you for a second? Yes, I do have a point

3641
04:23:59,256 --> 04:24:02,206
of order. Yeah, I guess. We have sort of. Go

3642
04:24:02,206 --> 04:24:05,726
ahead. Councilor Demarco, do you have a point of order?

3643
04:24:08,119 --> 04:24:11,119
Counselor? Yes. Do you have a point of order?

3644
04:24:21,771 --> 04:24:24,931
Do you have a point of order, Counselor DeMarco? Yes.

3645
04:24:24,931 --> 04:24:27,651
Okay, go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. No. Problem. What's the point

3646
04:24:27,651 --> 04:24:34,610
of order? Information. That would be.

3647
04:24:37,842 --> 04:24:41,488
What councilor Kyokio said. It would have to include in

3648
04:24:41,488 --> 04:24:46,700
camera information. Right. So how else could it be explained

3649
04:24:46,700 --> 04:24:52,038
without such. Yeah. So I think I understand the question,

3650
04:24:52,038 --> 04:24:55,358
and I think that's best directed once Mayor campion is

3651
04:24:55,358 --> 04:25:01,375
done. His preamble into the discussion. You could ask Mayor

3652
04:25:01,375 --> 04:25:06,423
Campion that question directly once he finishes off. His introduction.

3653
04:25:08,956 --> 04:25:10,716
Thank you. All right. Okay. We'll get back to you

3654
04:25:10,716 --> 04:25:16,534
in a moment. No problem. Mayor Campion. Okay. So the

3655
04:25:16,534 --> 04:25:19,454
reason I brought this forward is because people want to

3656
04:25:19,454 --> 04:25:23,537
know what's going on. I can't do that. No one

3657
04:25:23,537 --> 04:25:27,097
can do that without having a report come back to

3658
04:25:27,097 --> 04:25:32,731
council, as I was indicating. Yes. That information that I'm

3659
04:25:32,731 --> 04:25:35,531
asking for to come into open session is in camera

3660
04:25:35,531 --> 04:25:40,492
items. That's why I'm here. We can't disclose that. Without

3661
04:25:40,492 --> 04:25:43,932
having council approval. So the majority of council. If they

3662
04:25:43,932 --> 04:25:46,532
approve this, then you can bring it. Out into open

3663
04:25:46,532 --> 04:25:48,652
session, and quite often we do that. If you look

3664
04:25:48,652 --> 04:25:52,018
back. Historically on yes, we're reporting out of the in

3665
04:25:52,018 --> 04:25:56,298
camera. So council has said provide a direction in camera

3666
04:25:56,298 --> 04:25:59,458
to bring this into the open session. Happens all the

3667
04:25:59,458 --> 04:26:02,218
time. There's nothing different about this item than any other

3668
04:26:02,218 --> 04:26:07,359
item like that. So that's why. I'm seeking this approval.

3669
04:26:09,106 --> 04:26:11,906
I think the motion speaks for itself as to why

3670
04:26:11,906 --> 04:26:13,626
we want to bring that. Why I want to bring

3671
04:26:13,626 --> 04:26:16,626
that out is because people are asking, they want to

3672
04:26:16,626 --> 04:26:19,666
know. And there's a lot of misinformation going around. So

3673
04:26:19,666 --> 04:26:23,346
it's a simple matter of here's. The story. Here's what's

3674
04:26:23,346 --> 04:26:27,337
going on. I don't think counsel. Should be worried about

3675
04:26:27,337 --> 04:26:31,524
doing that. Because there's great reasoning behind all of this.

3676
04:26:33,233 --> 04:26:35,673
So I can't imagine why council would be opposed to

3677
04:26:35,673 --> 04:26:37,633
doing that, and I'm sure I'm going to hear why

3678
04:26:37,633 --> 04:26:43,085
from some counselors. But to be open and transparent. With

3679
04:26:43,085 --> 04:26:45,965
the residents of the city, of welling and with the

3680
04:26:45,965 --> 04:26:50,663
press and with anybody that's. Interested. It's generated a lot

3681
04:26:50,663 --> 04:26:53,943
of interest, and so I think an explanation is required,

3682
04:26:53,943 --> 04:26:58,023
and the explanation to thus far is an in camera

3683
04:26:58,023 --> 04:27:01,503
item, so we can't talk about it this will change

3684
04:27:01,503 --> 04:27:04,423
that so that we can. If it's approved. I have

3685
04:27:04,423 --> 04:27:10,544
no further comments. Thanks, Mayor Campion. I have. Councilor Demarco.

3686
04:27:10,544 --> 04:27:13,184
I saw that you so Councilor Kyokyo just. Called a

3687
04:27:13,184 --> 04:27:15,104
point of order, but I did notice you had your

3688
04:27:15,104 --> 04:27:19,144
point of order notice up, so. Councilor Kyokyo will go

3689
04:27:19,144 --> 04:27:23,646
with councilor DeMarco first, okay? Councilor Demarco, you have a

3690
04:27:23,646 --> 04:27:29,566
point of order. Sorry, Vice mayor moot. But. Was there

3691
04:27:29,566 --> 04:27:35,896
not direction. Requested already on this matter. I'm being told

3692
04:27:35,896 --> 04:27:45,515
that that is an in camera item. Unfortunately. Councilor marco.

3693
04:27:51,458 --> 04:27:54,338
In the most friendly manner possible. I just want us

3694
04:27:54,338 --> 04:27:56,018
all to be cautious on what we say. Here. It

3695
04:27:56,018 --> 04:27:59,418
is a cautious topic that the mayor has brought up.

3696
04:28:00,739 --> 04:28:05,725
So I'm probably going to have to. Thank you. No,

3697
04:28:05,725 --> 04:28:07,365
thank you. Thanks, Councilor Marco. I'm going to say that

3698
04:28:07,365 --> 04:28:11,962
to everyone. I'm just going to caution us all on

3699
04:28:11,962 --> 04:28:15,882
how we discuss the items with respect to this notice

3700
04:28:15,882 --> 04:28:20,039
of motion, so councilor Kyokyo. You have a notice. Thanks,

3701
04:28:20,039 --> 04:28:24,239
mayor. Point of order, Mr. Vice mayor. The mayor said

3702
04:28:24,239 --> 04:28:28,239
that council shouldn't be worried about it, but I believe

3703
04:28:28,239 --> 04:28:30,599
all of us know that we should be involved. Worried

3704
04:28:30,599 --> 04:28:36,147
about it, right? He's contradicting us. Because, as you know

3705
04:28:36,147 --> 04:28:38,387
and the rest of my fellow counselors. Know, that's not

3706
04:28:38,387 --> 04:28:41,267
really something that in that, that's not a point of

3707
04:28:41,267 --> 04:28:44,147
order, though. That's a question you can ask the mayor

3708
04:28:44,147 --> 04:28:46,547
directly. Well, let me ask mayor directly that he's saying

3709
04:28:46,547 --> 04:28:49,547
that we should be worried about it. And I believe

3710
04:28:49,547 --> 04:28:51,827
what we were told. That we should be worried about

3711
04:28:51,827 --> 04:28:54,667
it. So I just want clarification from the mayor. Mr.

3712
04:28:54,667 --> 04:28:58,423
Mayor, I can clarify that. You should not be afraid

3713
04:28:58,423 --> 04:29:03,272
of putting this information. To the public. There is nothing

3714
04:29:03,272 --> 04:29:06,912
to worry about because everything is being done properly and

3715
04:29:06,912 --> 04:29:10,302
it's just a matter of sharing that information. So I

3716
04:29:10,302 --> 04:29:13,772
don't know what you would be afraid of. But that's

3717
04:29:13,772 --> 04:29:19,887
fine. That's all I can say. To that chair. Okay,

3718
04:29:19,887 --> 04:29:27,687
sorry. I scroll down. So, Councilor spec. Go ahead. Thank

3719
04:29:27,687 --> 04:29:31,208
you very much. Very much, Mr. Vice mayor. So we've

3720
04:29:31,208 --> 04:29:33,168
heard a lot of clarity here, this discussion that has

3721
04:29:33,168 --> 04:29:35,768
gone on. We've heard the mayor repeatedly say you should

3722
04:29:35,768 --> 04:29:42,198
not be afraid. Part of my questioning is. Was there

3723
04:29:42,198 --> 04:29:46,934
ever a written report? In camera that is being made

3724
04:29:46,934 --> 04:29:50,654
public. The mayor talks about precedents. I believe Isaac during

3725
04:29:50,654 --> 04:29:53,534
my time on council. I believe his previous term we

3726
04:29:53,534 --> 04:29:56,614
pulled. Council does have the authority to take a report

3727
04:29:56,614 --> 04:29:59,334
that is in camera vote and make it public. We

3728
04:29:59,334 --> 04:30:03,382
did that. Is there an in camera report that we

3729
04:30:03,382 --> 04:30:13,260
are making public? Through you, chair. So there's been

3730
04:30:13,260 --> 04:30:16,180
many examples when there's been a report or a memo

3731
04:30:16,180 --> 04:30:19,940
or some kind of documentation that's been presented in camera.

3732
04:30:21,717 --> 04:30:25,237
And then it's become public. No, my question is, was

3733
04:30:25,237 --> 04:30:29,266
there ever a report? Is the mayor referring to any

3734
04:30:29,266 --> 04:30:33,626
written material that has been provided to counsel regarding those

3735
04:30:33,626 --> 04:30:40,765
in camera sessions. Mayor Campion. Yes. There was written material.

3736
04:30:40,765 --> 04:30:45,321
That's what he just said. Okay, I am being very

3737
04:30:45,321 --> 04:30:48,965
cautious. As a counselor, when we talk about, well, we

3738
04:30:48,965 --> 04:30:51,325
can't say this or that because council hasn't voted. It's

3739
04:30:51,325 --> 04:30:54,860
not approved yet. That in camera information. Is not public

3740
04:30:54,860 --> 04:30:58,987
information. And so we are cautioned, as per our code

3741
04:30:58,987 --> 04:31:02,107
of conduct, not to reveal. I believe it's. Section five

3742
04:31:02,107 --> 04:31:07,259
revealing in camera material even after. You're no longer a

3743
04:31:07,259 --> 04:31:13,064
counselor. You cannot reveal that material. So. Is the, the

3744
04:31:13,064 --> 04:31:16,224
mayor has said that there is a report that was

3745
04:31:16,224 --> 04:31:20,424
distributed for in camera is the entirety of that report

3746
04:31:20,424 --> 04:31:25,639
going to be made public. Mayor Campion. Well, that's not

3747
04:31:25,639 --> 04:31:27,959
actually for me to determine, but that would be my

3748
04:31:27,959 --> 04:31:31,119
expectation. I would say it is for the merit determinants's

3749
04:31:31,119 --> 04:31:33,559
point of order. He's the one requesting this information to

3750
04:31:33,559 --> 04:31:36,919
be made public. Well, I can't direct staff exactly what

3751
04:31:36,919 --> 04:31:39,039
they have to write down. That's up to them to

3752
04:31:39,039 --> 04:31:44,031
produce the report. But I've asked, is the preexisting report

3753
04:31:44,031 --> 04:31:47,427
going to be made public? And your answer is yes.

3754
04:31:47,427 --> 04:31:50,547
There's written material from in camera, and my question is

3755
04:31:50,547 --> 04:31:52,227
this. Is going to be made public. I thought I

3756
04:31:52,227 --> 04:31:55,747
heard a yes, but now I'm hearing maybe not, because

3757
04:31:55,747 --> 04:31:58,507
staff have to write a new report. Which is it?

3758
04:32:00,365 --> 04:32:03,965
Mr. Mayor and councilor. Spike, through the chair, please. Sorry.

3759
04:32:03,965 --> 04:32:08,486
So through the chair, in response to the counselor. There

3760
04:32:08,486 --> 04:32:11,706
was a report. There is a report. And all I'm

3761
04:32:11,706 --> 04:32:13,986
asking is that report be brought forward to the public.

3762
04:32:15,440 --> 04:32:18,760
And will the mayor or the CaO through you, Mr.

3763
04:32:18,760 --> 04:32:23,640
Vice Mayor, guarantee that our indemnity to talk about this

3764
04:32:23,640 --> 04:32:27,400
report. Or if we question the contents of that report

3765
04:32:27,400 --> 04:32:30,520
and say that's, not how I recollect it. In other

3766
04:32:30,520 --> 04:32:33,280
words, the mayor has, and I agree with the mayor.

3767
04:32:33,280 --> 04:32:36,967
We seek transparency. And for the public to have this

3768
04:32:36,967 --> 04:32:40,167
information. However, what's contradictory to that is that this is

3769
04:32:40,167 --> 04:32:44,207
an identifiable individual and it always has the possibility of

3770
04:32:44,207 --> 04:32:47,367
litigation or potential litigation. So it's like, well, we're going

3771
04:32:47,367 --> 04:32:49,047
to open it up so you can all talk about

3772
04:32:49,047 --> 04:32:50,847
it. I still fear. The mayor says not to be.

3773
04:32:52,561 --> 04:32:55,241
I'm still very uncomfortable about that because of the subject

3774
04:32:55,241 --> 04:32:58,321
matter, very sensitive subject matter that it involves. Can I

3775
04:32:58,321 --> 04:33:02,201
have the mayor or the CAO comment? Are we all

3776
04:33:02,201 --> 04:33:06,481
protected legally as counselors? To be covered for any potential

3777
04:33:06,481 --> 04:33:10,244
litigation that may arise from this. So I look to

3778
04:33:10,244 --> 04:33:12,684
our Cao and I do not believe he is a

3779
04:33:12,684 --> 04:33:16,019
lawyer actually I know that. He's not a lawyer, so

3780
04:33:16,019 --> 04:33:19,539
he can't make a legal determination right now, then. I'd

3781
04:33:19,539 --> 04:33:21,579
like to refer this back to staff to get a

3782
04:33:21,579 --> 04:33:23,859
legal opinion before we take a vote on it. There

3783
04:33:23,859 --> 04:33:29,921
we go. Do I have a seconder for that? Councilor

3784
04:33:29,921 --> 04:33:34,095
Kyokyo is seconding that. And we will have to take

3785
04:33:34,095 --> 04:33:40,463
that to a vote. Recorded, please. Okay. And the clerk

3786
04:33:40,463 --> 04:33:42,663
is just doing her notes over here. Can I have

3787
04:33:42,663 --> 04:33:45,463
a note for clarity with. That as well. We are

3788
04:33:45,463 --> 04:33:50,263
asking for a vote on a legal comment on our

3789
04:33:50,263 --> 04:33:56,099
legal rights or our. Protection as counselors. Before. In other

3790
04:33:56,099 --> 04:34:00,041
words, this will have to come back. That report will

3791
04:34:00,041 --> 04:34:03,041
come back before we ever take a vote on the

3792
04:34:03,041 --> 04:34:07,492
actual notice of motion. Correct. Got it. Looks like she's

3793
04:34:07,492 --> 04:34:12,083
got it. Okay. Hang tight. Through you chair. So yes,

3794
04:34:12,083 --> 04:34:16,892
council respect. That is correct. That this motion, the notice

3795
04:34:16,892 --> 04:34:21,092
of motion from Mayor Campion, would not come back until

3796
04:34:21,092 --> 04:34:24,612
the legal opinion is received, if that's how council chooses

3797
04:34:24,612 --> 04:34:31,064
to proceed. Open session. So the voting is open.

3798
04:34:54,468 --> 04:34:57,628
So for the recorded vote, Councilor Kyokyo was in favor.

3799
04:34:57,628 --> 04:35:00,788
Councilor Demarco. Is in favor. Councilor focuses in favor. Councilor

3800
04:35:00,788 --> 04:35:03,468
Green is in favor. Councilor Gomaldi. Is opposed. Councilor Leah

3801
04:35:03,468 --> 04:35:06,428
is in favor. Councilor McLeod is opposed. Councilor mood is.

3802
04:35:06,428 --> 04:35:09,788
In favor. Councilor Richard is in favor. Councilor ceteram is

3803
04:35:09,788 --> 04:35:12,308
opposed. Councilor Speck is in favor. Council van bleed is

3804
04:35:12,308 --> 04:35:17,705
opposed. Mayor campaign. Is opposed. The motion carries. Thank you,

3805
04:35:17,705 --> 04:35:20,225
counselors. And I will switch seats with the mayor now.

3806
04:35:32,917 --> 04:35:39,473
Okay, Councilor McLeod of your mics on. Did you? Okay.

3807
04:35:39,473 --> 04:35:44,630
Thank you. All right. So now, do any members of

3808
04:35:44,630 --> 04:35:47,750
council wish to introduce a new notice motion be discussed

3809
04:35:47,750 --> 04:35:49,870
not to. Be discussed this evening, but at a future

3810
04:35:49,870 --> 04:35:54,413
meeting. Councilor McLeod. Thanks, Mr. Mayor, that the council of

3811
04:35:54,413 --> 04:35:57,613
the City of Wellan requests staff provide a detailed report.

3812
04:35:57,613 --> 04:36:00,373
On how to proceed with dual serving counselors for the

3813
04:36:00,373 --> 04:36:10,095
2026 election. Thank you, Councilor Falkins. Thank you. Whereas generally

3814
04:36:10,095 --> 04:36:14,935
accepted accounting principles, GAAP for municipalities are a set of

3815
04:36:14,935 --> 04:36:18,895
accounting recommendations and guidance for local governments in Canada, the

3816
04:36:18,895 --> 04:36:22,935
public sector or county board PSAB of the Charter, professional

3817
04:36:22,935 --> 04:36:27,173
accountants of Canada. They set the standards for GAEP, for

3818
04:36:27,173 --> 04:36:31,093
municipalities, for the objective of such standards is to meet

3819
04:36:31,093 --> 04:36:34,253
the needs of users of financial statements by providing the

3820
04:36:34,253 --> 04:36:39,421
information. Needed for accountability and decision making. Whereas the city

3821
04:36:39,421 --> 04:36:43,181
does follow GaAp. And as well, the city has acknowledged

3822
04:36:43,181 --> 04:36:47,941
that they use gap gaap analysis and allocating costs within

3823
04:36:47,941 --> 04:36:51,221
the same sub account across different departments to remain within

3824
04:36:51,221 --> 04:36:55,501
departmental budgets. Therefore, be it resolved that the council of

3825
04:36:55,501 --> 04:36:58,141
the city well and direct staff to allocate costs directly

3826
04:36:58,141 --> 04:37:00,333
to the cost. Center to which it applies to and

3827
04:37:00,333 --> 04:37:05,053
that subaccounts are not gap gap analyzed. As a whole

3828
04:37:05,053 --> 04:37:09,493
in order to identify actual shortages or overages in various

3829
04:37:09,493 --> 04:37:12,973
departments in order to allocate or allocate cost to meet

3830
04:37:12,973 --> 04:37:21,976
budget projections. Thank you. I don't see any others. Madam

3831
04:37:21,976 --> 04:37:26,140
Clerk, we do have to go back in camera. So

3832
04:37:26,140 --> 04:37:27,860
I guess this would be the best time to do

3833
04:37:27,860 --> 04:37:29,740
that, and then we can come back. With the reports

3834
04:37:29,740 --> 04:37:32,580
after that. Okay. All right, so we're going to have

3835
04:37:32,580 --> 04:37:35,500
to go in. Camera looking for a motion to go

3836
04:37:35,500 --> 04:37:38,420
in. Camera? For procedural approval of the minutes of the

3837
04:37:38,420 --> 04:37:40,740
committee. Of the whole in camera meeting of December 17,

3838
04:37:40,740 --> 04:37:45,056
2024. Security property of the municipality or local board, potential

3839
04:37:45,056 --> 04:37:50,411
purchase of land. And we will look for a mover.

3840
04:37:50,411 --> 04:37:53,731
Second or moved by Councilor McLeod? Second by councilor. Lee,

3841
04:37:53,731 --> 04:37:56,091
I'll ask you to vote electronically, or I'll ask the

3842
04:37:56,091 --> 04:37:59,369
clerk to take us through the electronic vote. Voting is

3843
04:37:59,369 --> 04:38:01,521
open. Going in. Camera.

3844
04:38:15,859 --> 04:38:21,409
Sorry. That's approved, and we're just clearing the room. Yes.

3845
04:38:33,486 --> 04:38:36,366
All right, so we're back in open session, and we're

3846
04:38:36,366 --> 04:38:41,833
down at 8.1 mayor activities report. I have none to

3847
04:38:41,833 --> 04:38:45,419
share this evening, so. I will go to the councilors

3848
04:38:45,419 --> 04:38:47,939
for your ward reports, if you have any. So please

3849
04:38:47,939 --> 04:38:50,748
put your mic on. If you wish to speak or

3850
04:38:50,748 --> 04:38:59,560
add anything. So I don't see anybody. I just do

3851
04:38:59,560 --> 04:39:03,194
want to confirm that. Nothing has come forward from the

3852
04:39:03,194 --> 04:39:06,794
in camera session after we rose. So we did rise

3853
04:39:06,794 --> 04:39:11,178
without report. And Noah council activities reports and the CAO

3854
04:39:11,178 --> 04:39:13,978
has informed me that he's very active, but. Has no

3855
04:39:13,978 --> 04:39:16,981
report on that. And I'm going to look for a

3856
04:39:16,981 --> 04:39:18,941
mover. And second or for the first? Second. And third

3857
04:39:18,941 --> 04:39:22,901
reading of the confirmatory bylaw. So that moved by Councilor

3858
04:39:22,901 --> 04:39:26,781
Sidoram. And seconded by Councilor Lee. And Madam clerk, you

3859
04:39:26,781 --> 04:39:32,044
take us through that final vote. Voting is open. That

3860
04:39:32,044 --> 04:39:41,563
is unanimous support. For the bylaws. And seeing no further

3861
04:39:41,563 --> 04:39:42,603
business meetings now adjourned.