1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,940 For our work session. 2 00:00:03,180 --> 00:00:07,980 Okay. Welcome for our work 3 00:00:10,190 --> 00:00:18,810 session tonight. It is the August 18th. We're here at 630 with the joint work session with the city council and funding commission. 4 00:00:22,090 --> 00:00:25,790 Excuse council member Butterfield and commissioner America. 5 00:00:31,370 --> 00:00:35,370 We have Alan Maylon in the public in the other. 6 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,860 Anyway, go ahead, Dwight. 7 00:00:42,380 --> 00:00:47,040 All right, so we are here tonight to continue the discussion on detach APU. 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,220 Just for reference, the state co-changes here requiring the cities of our size and location 9 00:00:53,220 --> 00:01:02,340 are required to adopt for the first land use ordinances that would allow anyone on a lot of the least 11,000 square feet to have a detect 10 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:10,020 you under the regulations that the city says in terms of size and height and setbacks and a variety of other matters. 11 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:18,260 We can't set whatever we want. There are limitations to parking regulations really can put in place a few other things like that. 12 00:01:18,260 --> 00:01:21,460 But in general, the city has the opportunity to craft 13 00:01:21,460 --> 00:01:25,960 the DEPC in New Orleans as it seems to be the best community. 14 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:29,380 We held a work session a couple of months ago 15 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:31,040 with the City Council Planning Commission 16 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,480 at the Pierre Duce's topic since the planning mission 17 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,120 has worked very hard and very meticulously 18 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,100 on coming up with draft regulations. 19 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,620 And we haven't put them into text yet. 20 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,120 That will come lightly after this meeting 21 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,180 for the chronic mission to look at their next meeting. 22 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,140 And then they will, I think, 23 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,980 move fairly quickly on public care and recommendation. 24 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,720 So the City Council has time to adopt 25 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,220 and hold this by October 1st. 26 00:01:58,300 --> 00:02:01,020 It would not shock me if it's something in late September 27 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:02,800 we had to call a special meeting or two 28 00:02:03,460 --> 00:02:05,880 if we are under the wire to get this done. 29 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:08,300 So it's up there for everyone. 30 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,100 In several reasons. 31 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,280 Yeah, in late September. 32 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:16,680 You're last meeting scheduled for the month of September is a 15. 33 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,060 Yeah, but you have a 5-2 set of the 29th if you need to have a... 34 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:24,240 Yeah, it's a 5-2. 35 00:02:24,460 --> 00:02:25,280 It's a 5-2. 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,460 Maybe we should go in. 37 00:02:29,220 --> 00:02:31,880 Maybe you trust us to have it all done by the 15th. 38 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:32,520 I do, I do. 39 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:35,880 But the 8th of the new best in pass is a 15th. 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:36,980 Totally, super out of it. 41 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:37,820 Leave you trust that. 42 00:02:38,180 --> 00:02:38,460 Uh-huh. 43 00:02:40,380 --> 00:02:41,820 We'll see how this takes place. 44 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:44,500 I am going to run through some of the draft regulations 45 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:46,620 that the blind viewers just talked about so far. 46 00:02:46,980 --> 00:02:49,060 I want to make clear that I would consider 47 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:50,840 A, B's a recommendation yet. 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,960 These are just items that they've worked on so far, 49 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:54,260 a working draft. 50 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,140 They may feel like they're recommendations with the splinters, 51 00:02:57,140 --> 00:02:58,480 but somebody goes from the side. 52 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:02,000 The reason they're here is so that they can see for themselves 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,020 and not alone on me. 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,260 I just think they're going to go from there. 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Well, you've just haven't been there for most of the years. 56 00:03:08,620 --> 00:03:10,060 So you don't know why I didn't reach them. 57 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:12,460 I'm usually the backless thing. 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,340 You just don't know that I'm here. 59 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:14,720 You need to get away. 60 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:23,200 Included with the Middle Oak is on the entrance that we put together 61 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,060 to help some care. 62 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:27,060 Some of these regulations, what other cities have looked at 63 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:28,420 and you can look at that if you need to. 64 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:30,460 But I already know a little very quickly. 65 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:35,860 So on minimum lots of us, the state requirement is 11,000 square feet, so far the planning 66 00:03:35,860 --> 00:03:39,340 commission has been working on a recommendation for 10,000 square feet. 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,740 So that would essentially make it a fair or a level thing around for everyone in the 68 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:50,140 our region and zone. Otherwise you'd have some people in our region and zone that would qualify 69 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:56,940 and others that would express an idea that they would look at so far. On the parking, so far they have 70 00:03:56,940 --> 00:03:59,580 looked at just before in one additional space. 71 00:04:00,260 --> 00:04:03,340 I will note that state law does allow the city's required 72 00:04:03,340 --> 00:04:05,780 two additional spaces to hit the ADU reaches 73 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,980 above 650 square feet. 74 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:09,740 So it's something to be able to look at. 75 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,700 Right now, the recommendation is one, 76 00:04:11,820 --> 00:04:14,760 we can go size two for a larger ADU. 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,840 On maximum size and minimum size, 78 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:23,200 the planning commission so far is prepared to not make 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,760 a recommendation or not create a regulation 80 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,960 on how big or small a detache is to be. 81 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:33,100 Again, staff as they look at other cities, 82 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:37,360 most other cities do have at least an in-home size. 83 00:04:38,340 --> 00:04:41,600 Some cities have recommendations on the D.A. 84 00:04:41,660 --> 00:04:43,880 being larger than the main house, 85 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:45,480 some other evidence like that. 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,280 The line of commission talk a little bit about 87 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:50,560 why they may have this in the dress so far. 88 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:53,140 Setbacks. 89 00:04:54,300 --> 00:05:00,260 And this might be, personally, my base concern so far, but we can certainly go whatever 90 00:05:00,260 --> 00:05:01,460 direction it feels best. 91 00:05:02,060 --> 00:05:06,000 Right now, the planning commission is working on a recommendation that it have the setbacks 92 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,100 for a DEDU to same as for a primary structure. 93 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,840 So you can only be able to have an e-catch-AQ, if you have x-rays for a 30-foot setback and a combined 94 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:19,700 side-guired setback for 24 feet, or the minimum to 10 on one side. 95 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:28,940 Building height, right now there are recommendations that would be the same as any other accessory structure in the zone. 96 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,860 On what coverage, they would keep our same requirements of the 35% of the backyard. 97 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:42,180 And I think this is likely connected to not having a maximum size of the need for you to go up there and we have them. 98 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:45,560 On that one side, because if you were related by the percentage. 99 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:55,740 On the number of ADUs, I think it's in a pretty clear direction that just one ADU and this is very common amongst every code we look at. 100 00:05:56,060 --> 00:06:01,600 You can either have an internal or an external, but you don't get to have both or multiple. 101 00:06:02,220 --> 00:06:06,260 Just one ADU for property, whether it's internal or external. 102 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,640 And short-term result, the recommendation at this point, 103 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,720 so the city has more time to work on the short-term rental 104 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,080 little needs and not allow them to use for short-term. 105 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:19,300 If we did that, that would be the only place 106 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:20,600 there for hibiscus right now. 107 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:24,160 Well, they're not especially allowed in the middle of everywhere. 108 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:25,780 But these needs are not prohibited. 109 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:29,440 Well, I would argue that our focus is in the way 110 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,200 in our discussion, like, more, more having 111 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,400 or hold your place on. 112 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:36,900 I'll throw it in the right hand. 113 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,840 Like six months and so forth. 114 00:06:38,860 --> 00:06:41,620 So whether it's in the big graph, correct. 115 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:42,700 That would be fine. 116 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,420 Just a, just a week in aggressive. 117 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:47,600 So look at that as a separate issue rather than. 118 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,420 Rather than hold this up while we discuss what our goal is. 119 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,020 Yeah. 120 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,520 So six month years and then relatively short until we get our 121 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:58,280 ducks in our own. 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,120 That would keep somebody from building one with that 123 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,840 that intention and then being told no after the fact 124 00:07:05,950 --> 00:07:09,970 that's just going to be its own fight 125 00:07:09,970 --> 00:07:15,010 about what we think it doesn't need necessarily me you're not going to give somebody false hope 126 00:07:15,010 --> 00:07:15,570 or mislead. 127 00:07:16,170 --> 00:07:16,710 You skipped the order. 128 00:07:16,910 --> 00:07:17,370 I can see. 129 00:07:17,650 --> 00:07:17,750 No. 130 00:07:17,970 --> 00:07:18,370 Oh. 131 00:07:18,510 --> 00:07:18,950 Yeah. 132 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:19,870 Yeah. 133 00:07:20,850 --> 00:07:22,150 I'm going to just hold this right there. 134 00:07:22,330 --> 00:07:22,810 Thank you. 135 00:07:22,970 --> 00:07:25,190 The requirement to be the owner of the property. 136 00:07:25,650 --> 00:07:28,490 The owner because of an indicator structure, but that happens to be somewhere in front. 137 00:07:28,910 --> 00:07:31,830 And again, that's very common in the draft order. 138 00:07:37,770 --> 00:07:44,270 For example, one way that people enforce it is that they require all the essentially 139 00:07:44,270 --> 00:07:48,730 head of business license, it's one way to enforce that. 140 00:07:50,410 --> 00:07:53,250 I'd like to talk about this much, but that's probably the most common. 141 00:07:53,610 --> 00:07:55,630 They pay a business license every year, just once. 142 00:07:57,030 --> 00:07:57,990 Probably every year. 143 00:07:57,990 --> 00:08:00,050 and it's a big deal. 144 00:08:00,390 --> 00:08:01,430 I'm going to say a lot of things. 145 00:08:01,930 --> 00:08:03,630 I think it would be really love. 146 00:08:04,190 --> 00:08:07,370 Another way you could try to enforce it is 147 00:08:08,610 --> 00:08:11,030 we cannot require things like additional instruments 148 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:14,970 so we can probably require them to sign something 149 00:08:14,970 --> 00:08:17,290 in college or use it as a requirement. 150 00:08:18,370 --> 00:08:20,170 One of the other things we discussed 151 00:08:20,170 --> 00:08:23,290 James was we're not sure about metering. 152 00:08:23,570 --> 00:08:25,330 If metering will all be one meter 153 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:32,330 And it's so you can say the water sewer, whatever happens to be in the name of the property and that's how it is now even 154 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:36,810 Even if you try to reach your house, you don't allow you to put the name in the right place. 155 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:37,090 Right. 156 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:38,850 So that doesn't mean you're going to look at it. 157 00:08:38,850 --> 00:08:41,970 Yeah, but it would mean James is on the hook with you not looking there. 158 00:08:42,150 --> 00:08:44,730 It's the only way that he could probably keep taping. 159 00:08:44,750 --> 00:08:45,230 So on this? 160 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:45,810 Right. 161 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:52,050 I mean, it's going to be hard to police that. 162 00:08:52,050 --> 00:08:57,830 I don't know how you, I mean you tell people to follow the law and you're just going to do a change, come on. 163 00:08:59,370 --> 00:09:09,050 I will know with all of these that this is, and our nature is even, is a bit of a simplified way of looking at it because you could make it more complicated. 164 00:09:09,450 --> 00:09:13,470 And I've seen simple versions like what we're talking about, I've seen more complicated versions. 165 00:09:13,830 --> 00:09:16,590 A more complicated version would be something along the lines. 166 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:22,310 And your setback is five feet, but if you're two stories, 167 00:09:22,630 --> 00:09:24,510 it's only 15 feet. 168 00:09:24,770 --> 00:09:27,610 And if you're one story with a window, it's seven feet. 169 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:31,890 You can put requirements in related to windows, 170 00:09:32,830 --> 00:09:35,450 orientation of the building, size of the building. 171 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:41,570 You could really kind of make it as detailed as you want in that regard. 172 00:09:42,490 --> 00:09:44,510 The final thing I'll say, and then Steve, 173 00:09:44,510 --> 00:09:47,230 I'll give you a second here to see if I have left anything out of that. 174 00:09:47,230 --> 00:09:51,290 The city attorney wants us to make sure we're looking at is the conversion of it. 175 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:58,210 So state code says that the city is required in our code to have a conversion process for 176 00:09:58,210 --> 00:10:05,250 existing structures that one needs all building and health codes and two, need to set back 177 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:06,590 requirements that we put in place. 178 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:13,610 So we need to think really hard about that in terms of what we want with the district 179 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:18,350 structures that are in this city and how we want to adjust with those. It's 180 00:10:18,350 --> 00:10:23,290 interesting that setback is really the only element in relation to those 181 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:28,130 existing buildings. It didn't say that we can regulate them based on their 182 00:10:28,130 --> 00:10:33,390 current square footage or anything else just a setback. They need a setback 183 00:10:33,390 --> 00:10:39,030 requirements then we need a allow process for them to convert. Well I think it 184 00:10:39,030 --> 00:10:44,310 perfect sense going because really cool it is is that's the only thing that 185 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:49,030 cities do on a better regular basis as far as reducing setbacks or what is 186 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:56,350 their standard for a living space is excessive structure so setbacks being 187 00:10:56,350 --> 00:11:00,710 highly regulated they for the EU would be something that the state is giving us 188 00:11:00,710 --> 00:11:05,330 leverage a little bit yeah I think you do need to be careful in using the 189 00:11:05,330 --> 00:11:11,670 back as our as kind of the one tool that why that's what we're giving this well 190 00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:15,050 because I don't think it accomplishes everything that we can have a lot of the 191 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:19,570 And that's why we need to care for the youngest and advocate for all of the things that we can do right now. 192 00:11:22,380 --> 00:11:29,180 It's likely that we, yes, it's also, you know, a 5.10%-100 greater, except we're setbacks. 193 00:11:29,540 --> 00:11:29,820 And so on. 194 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:34,560 Steve, is there any else that comes with us just over that you seem to cancel me soon? 195 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:35,500 You can't sit down. 196 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,160 I don't think so. 197 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:39,880 I agree with you, the setbacks. 198 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:40,700 I want to tell you. 199 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,140 I mean, if we turn our setbacks to the extreme... 200 00:11:43,140 --> 00:11:43,700 Is that the purpose? 201 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:51,600 I think it's very nearly impossible on a smaller block to meet the setbacks and the setbacks. 202 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:55,500 I'm not sure that accomplishes the purpose of it all right, just like I said. 203 00:11:59,570 --> 00:12:01,410 So it's about the end. 204 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:08,870 The main purpose behind our thought process on the setbacks and maintaining them as we have with the rest of our journey 205 00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:14,130 is that we have justified that we need 30 foot setbacks in our ordinary hours. 206 00:12:14,130 --> 00:12:22,070 how do we not justify that we need 30-foot and 24-foot combined if we don't 207 00:12:22,070 --> 00:12:27,830 know if that's right or not. If you didn't want somebody's there to be from 208 00:12:27,830 --> 00:12:42,730 your proxy line before, why are you finding that it's 6 or 8 or 10 hats? Because it's a 209 00:12:42,730 --> 00:12:48,230 to be shown in, it also accomplishes what we took from the last city council to do in 210 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:54,190 session was that we moved in towards being more restricted, not less restricted, and 211 00:12:54,190 --> 00:12:56,230 more restricted, it would be indicating that we're right. 212 00:12:57,650 --> 00:13:05,810 I think the counter-argument would be over the justification of the D-A-E-U as contemplated 213 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:07,010 by most people. 214 00:13:07,010 --> 00:13:15,870 We think of VA views are intended to be smaller, and accessory to the main dwellers. 215 00:13:16,030 --> 00:13:22,450 So the reason we need 30 for our main dwellers is something less for a KVU because a KVU is going to be smaller and less impactful. 216 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:31,210 I would agree that's correct. However, there are lots of homes all over the city that are older, smaller ones, on water lots. 217 00:13:31,210 --> 00:13:37,850 for someone who may want to build a, I would assume a brand new home, or I'd use a recycle 218 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:39,130 material as well. 219 00:13:39,490 --> 00:13:43,770 It's not going to be a nice brand new home in the back, that is now going to be a living 220 00:13:43,770 --> 00:13:44,190 structure. 221 00:13:45,070 --> 00:13:48,190 Then in the front without you, somebody might consider you to use them. 222 00:13:48,810 --> 00:13:50,110 So we don't get it. 223 00:13:50,170 --> 00:13:50,190 We don't get it. 224 00:13:50,190 --> 00:13:51,030 We strip it out of that. 225 00:13:51,310 --> 00:13:52,470 Unless you put it aside as you want. 226 00:13:52,630 --> 00:13:56,090 I was just going to say, unless we put a minimum, like, you can't be any bigger than this. 227 00:13:56,090 --> 00:14:11,990 Hey, but you would hear your grandma's house built in 1950 and you're on an acre lot. Now if you tear down grandma's house, if you want to, you can, I know you're on, you're on an acre, but you can't build a bigger home because your backyard house has to be small and in front of your house. 228 00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:18,670 Yeah, if it means that's our thought process that's where you had that was it kind of 229 00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:23,230 of a sort of act. I guess another issue is why not let it happen? Do you want the 230 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:29,430 AD use in the front yard? Do you want them to side yard? Do you want them to rear yard? I mean, I think most people think of them as a 231 00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:38,330 bar in the rear yard, but what I would describe in is maybe a D-A-D-U in the front. Does it matter? What it will give you different? 232 00:14:38,330 --> 00:14:45,010 If you drive down the street and you can't see the DAE because it's behind, does it matter for my DAE? 233 00:14:45,290 --> 00:14:52,210 I live in my DAE because it's my brand new 5,000 square foot home and I rent out my 1,000 square foot from 1940. 234 00:14:52,210 --> 00:14:58,990 You have a 16-foot setback on a larger rod and you're paying what we can you put at the 235 00:15:00,590 --> 00:15:08,850 There's a little incident on that. If you're not going to clear it on a 30-foot setback. If it hates the setback, so the answer would be yes, if it doesn't be clear. 236 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:15,170 But that brings up the question, 237 00:15:15,170 --> 00:15:15,230 and I think these are just, you know, 238 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:17,350 a question, can a DADU be in that side yard? 239 00:15:17,890 --> 00:15:21,030 What if it's not behind the DADU? 240 00:15:22,050 --> 00:15:22,930 That's probably 241 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:25,810 8,000 square feet. 242 00:15:27,370 --> 00:15:29,310 I would argue what difference does it make it? 243 00:15:29,330 --> 00:15:30,110 It means it's set hand. 244 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:33,670 Because right now, we have one. 245 00:15:33,930 --> 00:15:34,470 We have one. 246 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:34,690 We have one. 247 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:37,930 There's a whole lot of sculpture in the front. 248 00:15:38,170 --> 00:15:38,510 That's right. 249 00:15:38,570 --> 00:15:41,170 We'll have 1,200 West and off pages. 250 00:15:43,190 --> 00:15:49,190 It's all built, but behind or in front of what is the east head that goes through the 251 00:15:49,190 --> 00:15:49,990 Moroccan power. 252 00:15:50,490 --> 00:15:54,350 Some of the homes are built right to the front setback, some of them are built behind 253 00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:55,890 it, because of the easement. 254 00:15:56,290 --> 00:15:57,890 Same with the accessory structures there. 255 00:15:58,430 --> 00:16:03,130 We have a few homes on one of these, at least one in around the back, just east of it we 256 00:16:03,130 --> 00:16:03,370 want. 257 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:04,510 Right. 258 00:16:04,770 --> 00:16:10,150 I would build 150 foot back on the setback because there's a gas line, a pressure gas line. 259 00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:12,090 But there's nothing that can be built in front of that. 260 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:16,830 Well, the bottom line is, though, is that no one cares that it's there, because these ones, they're reinforced. 261 00:16:17,390 --> 00:16:22,690 Yeah, how would I be saying it's big? You'll put a 300 foot A, B, U on that in front of each, because they're driven. 262 00:16:22,990 --> 00:16:23,710 And that is driven. 263 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:24,810 We need a setback. 264 00:16:25,330 --> 00:16:25,690 I don't know. 265 00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:26,110 Will we care? 266 00:16:27,150 --> 00:16:35,950 If you lower this setback from 30 feet, and somebody who's main structure is right on that 30 feet, 267 00:16:35,950 --> 00:16:41,830 Could they say well people can build in that then I'm going to add on to my house and I don't I'm not required 268 00:16:41,830 --> 00:16:47,390 Why would you allow for a DADU and not for the primary structure to if you're going to 269 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:51,730 Relax that you would you'd have to kind of 270 00:16:54,110 --> 00:16:54,690 That's not 271 00:16:55,510 --> 00:16:56,290 I think 272 00:16:58,830 --> 00:17:05,070 I think we've really risked losing a key phrase in D.A.U. and that is the phrase accessory. 273 00:17:05,830 --> 00:17:11,270 Are these, or what we're talking about, how it means to be accessory to many distant structures now, 274 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:16,170 or are we talking about creating something about people to play the left? 275 00:17:16,350 --> 00:17:20,190 What's the point for us to go and where are we going to talk about what we want from the city, 276 00:17:20,190 --> 00:17:21,750 We won't continue again. 277 00:17:22,270 --> 00:17:25,190 It's to make this less or more... 278 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:27,610 Okay, so we, yeah, we're here. 279 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:28,690 So we do that. 280 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:31,190 So you're, essentially, saying... 281 00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:32,010 Well, anyway. 282 00:17:32,590 --> 00:17:33,930 I don't want to get bogged down a little bit. 283 00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:34,290 Yeah, absolutely. 284 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:38,330 We're starting to need to search all the way through a lot of different areas to cover. 285 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:43,790 Since we've already covered so much random setbacks, 286 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:46,510 I don't want to have to come back to it again. 287 00:17:46,510 --> 00:17:50,450 And so maybe we can kind of finish or not finish, 288 00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:53,910 but come to a conclusion on this discussion. 289 00:17:54,810 --> 00:17:57,350 Doug, I guess what I'm interested in for the council 290 00:17:57,350 --> 00:18:00,990 say is, is it a firm consensus of the planning, 291 00:18:01,110 --> 00:18:02,830 if everything that we're planning is right now, 292 00:18:03,210 --> 00:18:06,770 to have these kind of setbacks as in the draft right now? 293 00:18:07,810 --> 00:18:08,530 It is for me. 294 00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:09,790 As far as I'm concerned. 295 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:13,270 You can't really have a 30-year setback in the rear yard. 296 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:14,470 Yeah. 297 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:19,410 So then, how about that one kind of love, that's a very good plot? 298 00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:22,490 Well, we're going to camp very few in front of the printer. 299 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:25,490 You're not going to do many on the corner of your laptop. 300 00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:27,450 It would look like a mobile phone. 301 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:29,090 Or less? 302 00:18:30,290 --> 00:18:33,310 Well, the discussion went through. 303 00:18:33,690 --> 00:18:37,310 When you look at what somebody is calling what you call an accessory, 304 00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:40,970 well, are you thinking of a new home? 305 00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:42,850 Well, if you are thinking of a new home, 306 00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:44,330 No, that's what you should be. 307 00:18:44,570 --> 00:18:46,450 No, that's what we're building up a new home. 308 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:48,250 Well, that's what we wanted to make. 309 00:18:48,250 --> 00:18:48,910 That's not what we wanted. 310 00:18:48,930 --> 00:18:50,110 There's no new home to use. 311 00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:54,490 Whatever garage or sister building has an apartment inside of it. 312 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:55,390 It's an accessory. 313 00:18:55,490 --> 00:18:56,370 It's an accessory. 314 00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:58,930 It's an accessory to the main room structure. 315 00:18:59,410 --> 00:19:00,950 But these are detached, right? 316 00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:01,790 Yes, they're detached. 317 00:19:02,170 --> 00:19:02,850 Yeah, but they're detached. 318 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:04,690 At least towards the point is it's going to look like that. 319 00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:07,430 It's going to look like an structure. 320 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:08,670 It's going to be used. 321 00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:12,010 So we have this idea. 322 00:19:12,010 --> 00:19:19,810 Well, yes, but it's a lot of accessories to them rather than rather than it's a little so would that eliminate somebody from being able to build behind 323 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:22,610 Grandma's have a little tiny little tiny history 324 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:25,270 Probably 90% of the city 325 00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:30,970 We want to make it so that every time they can hear it that has a garage or a 326 00:19:30,970 --> 00:19:39,170 Non-commercial structure three feet from the property line can enter that into a two-story house. Oh, that's where that's exactly where we go 327 00:19:40,650 --> 00:19:49,490 So is there a magic number if 30 feet from your property line is to risk your death is a 20 out if it's a 10? 328 00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:52,690 What would you like to have somebody? 329 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:54,430 Do you know what I mean? 330 00:19:54,750 --> 00:19:56,730 Everyone would say so we understand what he says. 331 00:19:57,010 --> 00:19:58,650 No but that's from S.E. What is your name? 332 00:19:59,870 --> 00:20:02,650 My number is a little more sporadic currently. 333 00:20:03,730 --> 00:20:06,630 You got 6, 10 and that's right. 334 00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:12,050 In my own, we're going back to where we are currently on accessory buildings. 335 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:15,570 Is it an accessory to own currently candy sticks? 336 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:16,550 No. 337 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:19,090 No, accessory structure. 338 00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:20,450 Not for dwellings. 339 00:20:20,910 --> 00:20:23,330 It can be said to me it's closest to three. 340 00:20:24,030 --> 00:20:27,370 But yeah, but I think that's where the discussion is going to be. 341 00:20:27,530 --> 00:20:29,010 I think three is maybe too cool. 342 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:30,310 But what about my own? 343 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:31,710 Half of three right now. 344 00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:32,570 Too bad. 345 00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:34,150 Yeah. 346 00:20:34,150 --> 00:20:36,030 So I've listed kind of four options. 347 00:20:36,130 --> 00:20:37,410 Right, so that was kind of new. 348 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:40,370 Four, four different ways of thinking about it. 349 00:20:40,570 --> 00:20:43,330 For one of the most useful things we've talked about 350 00:20:43,330 --> 00:20:45,150 and heard the justification for. 351 00:20:45,550 --> 00:20:49,290 The second is what I would call our justification right now 352 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:50,170 for a side yard set. 353 00:20:50,550 --> 00:20:52,450 So right now the minimum side yard set back 354 00:20:52,450 --> 00:20:54,490 of a primary structure is 10 feet. 355 00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:58,870 So the idea here is that we've always had that a dwelling unit 356 00:20:58,870 --> 00:21:01,830 needs to be at least 10 feet away from a property line. 357 00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:12,470 So if we start with 10 feet, that could be a justification saying, okay, for a smaller accessory thing, we still want it to be 10 feet from either the rear or the side of the place. 358 00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:16,690 The third option up here is what I will call conversion friendly. 359 00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:30,850 So if the intent is to allow folks with current structures to be able to convert in some of the most cases, then you look at kind of that six foot because there are a lot of structures that have been built at that six foot level. 360 00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:36,650 If you want to be the most friendly for existing and new structures, 361 00:21:37,570 --> 00:21:43,850 three things are not worth that, that is a real thing that a lot of places in the adult do you belong? 362 00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:50,630 Well, I would be one of the conversion of most friendly or most friendly because we want these structures. 363 00:21:51,030 --> 00:21:51,870 I mean, I think we are- 364 00:21:51,870 --> 00:21:55,090 I'm not arguing as you should, I'm just saying that these are four different options. 365 00:21:55,550 --> 00:21:56,310 First, consider. 366 00:21:56,310 --> 00:22:02,670 So the, I mean, I don't, this last two of not a huge fan of, I think we should have that reaction. 367 00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:05,750 The first two up there would be fine. 368 00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:10,770 I don't, the concept of having the text structure that's not livable. 369 00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:16,350 It makes a difference to me that they're living in, using it as something else for the three foot six foot. 370 00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:20,770 And I like the idea of, we've never let houses be three or six on our own. 371 00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:26,070 So why let an accessory people? Well, you have greater perks and flexibility than I rate in the residences 372 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:29,750 I sure seems to fit with exactly what we're arguing 373 00:22:32,030 --> 00:22:33,450 I don't know why we 374 00:22:33,450 --> 00:22:38,870 For the existence of our Johnny Poland say this is what we can set it back to be 375 00:22:39,490 --> 00:22:42,710 But now because it was like it's an ADU's it's some special 376 00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:50,510 Maybe you say auction a beer the ones we like and you say you can do pretty much 377 00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:55,910 You want to do off-and-be, now we're going to restrict height, size, and so on. 378 00:22:56,170 --> 00:22:56,290 Exactly. 379 00:22:57,170 --> 00:23:02,830 It wasn't, and we're fully aware that this puts a big hindrance. 380 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:07,110 And I mean, this point, a whole lot of times your permission means that this is going to, 381 00:23:07,630 --> 00:23:13,410 our thought process on maintaining the setbacks is going to hinder the ability to do so. 382 00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:16,010 A lot of people will lie here because of being about visible. 383 00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:19,430 But right now, it's zero percent of people in our city get it. 384 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:22,810 We're going to make it so 30 to 50 percent. 385 00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:27,150 The real thought process behind it boils right down to 386 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:30,810 we're being forced to go by the state number one. 387 00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:34,050 And number two, we have very little build labor is left in the city. 388 00:23:34,350 --> 00:23:36,350 What is build labor is less than city. 389 00:23:36,530 --> 00:23:39,410 As in its own now, it's all in a one acre plus. 390 00:23:40,030 --> 00:23:43,230 So, that being said, you already have a large developer 391 00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:46,570 that wants to develop and wants to put these structures back there. 392 00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:51,850 So in order to maintain any type of integrity in our zone now, how else can you do it 393 00:23:51,850 --> 00:23:54,170 other than with the setbacks, our existence? 394 00:23:54,410 --> 00:24:02,070 It is no other way because if you start saying that you could be less and less restrictive 395 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:08,950 on these setbacks, you are going to have that builder is going to build as the zoning is now. 396 00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:14,870 The biggest possible, the past accessory belonging that they can back there and you all know 397 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:18,010 this because as soon as you move your setbacks, the homes go from 398 00:24:18,010 --> 00:24:23,110 homeowners where it be to 1400 to 1800, they build to the setbacks 399 00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:26,170 everywhere they are. All new developments do it. 400 00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:26,990 But for the primary. 401 00:24:27,970 --> 00:24:29,470 But for the primary structure. 402 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:30,850 Yes. And that's what I'm saying. 403 00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:32,990 Now we're getting yours for a second there. 404 00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:35,310 Are they going to just already building them back there? 405 00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:36,430 Now if they're not even legal. 406 00:24:37,050 --> 00:24:39,130 They're not even legal, but they're already up. 407 00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:39,950 And they're legal. 408 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:42,170 Yeah, they're legal. 409 00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:49,950 But they're hoping they will be in your garage is in legal at least for another 410 00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:51,090 health. 411 00:24:55,490 --> 00:25:04,950 So we're getting all this pressure from the state we're getting all this 412 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:12,650 pressure from the state to do something to be helpful to housing and do you think that 413 00:25:12,650 --> 00:25:16,150 the state is sitting back? Not that we have to care about what they're going to do, but 414 00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:19,870 if they're sitting in the back seat waiting to see what happens and then they look at 415 00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:24,310 all the cities and they're like, you totally missed the vote you guys, you didn't do squat 416 00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:30,110 enough and then they come in and take something else, we'll just deal with it when we, if 417 00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:39,250 and when, or should I say, but I do worry that they're going to come after us and be like, 418 00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:48,190 you guys missed this vote, but I don't know where the compromise could be. I'm just saying I worry 419 00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:56,790 that we're not doing enough by not considering B or C, but don't get me wrong, I see the purpose to A. 420 00:26:00,190 --> 00:26:09,130 have a better feeling about this if say this type of the oxygenate setbacks was 421 00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:15,410 something maintained in the 22 and the A1 and maybe it was less restrictive and 422 00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:21,430 the R1 tensile in order to provide an opportunity. Okay we have to back up and 423 00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:26,030 thank you. You have to teach me the 22 the 22 you just said sorry the half 424 00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:33,950 so let me ask you this in my neighborhood did the drapers become 22 or they 425 00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:36,370 still in R110 because they're in my neighborhood because they own a half 426 00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:41,350 acre in my neighborhood. They're in an R110 zone but why can't they build? 427 00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:46,390 Rather than the 428 00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:47,570 zoning, no matter what. 429 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:50,530 If you're on that paper or a half paper, 430 00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:52,010 you can end up ordering the result. 431 00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:53,870 Presumably. 432 00:26:54,150 --> 00:26:54,990 They still learn. 433 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:57,890 OK, so there will be that exceptionability 434 00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:58,910 for those people. 435 00:26:59,570 --> 00:27:01,430 Here's a lot that takes not your zone. 436 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:04,270 OK, our other heartburn is, well, we 437 00:27:04,270 --> 00:27:05,570 are in the middle of the disdustinist. 438 00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:08,250 We have this lovely open forum about, hey, 439 00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:10,730 here's this possible development that might be for me 440 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:11,550 in Westownville. 441 00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:15,070 Everyone grab their fish forks and torches. 442 00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:21,430 No, I didn't know. We're not doing this. Hello, never know. We don't want this in our city. And I was sure around 443 00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:26,070 See everybody gets you get a second home and you get a second. That's just good. We can't make a second home 444 00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:32,190 No, but right that's what this state would like, you know, so we're like we double the density 445 00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:42,570 I mean by keeping it out of my state saying 11,000 square feet they they eliminated 50% 446 00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:45,170 I'll bet give homes long to watch it for. 447 00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:47,030 These are more or more. 448 00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:53,770 Or more because there's a lot of stuff that would have had to be to say you can have it on the 6,000 square foot lock. 449 00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:55,030 How do you get to home? 450 00:27:55,270 --> 00:27:57,790 Even to try me home, son, this is 6,000 square foot lock. 451 00:27:57,890 --> 00:28:03,170 Well, I'm so, if you look at the matrix, it is not uncommon for, 452 00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:08,170 Senator Bill, right now is looking at 8,000 square foot locks. 453 00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:09,410 Wow, that's a part of it. 454 00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:19,070 about 8,000 square foot, so I mean yeah, but Sennaville also has a 20 foot setback, so 455 00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:25,430 I don't I don't know you guys that's our problem yeah most people don't want 456 00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:39,310 well yeah I do think I think it's why I think it's why I think it's why I think it's 457 00:29:00,290 --> 00:29:09,290 somebody's going to try and push us we know somebody's going to find a little 458 00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:30,830 We're not being inclusive by what we're doing, we're excluding more people than we would, 459 00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:33,810 other acts of that as well, we were asked so we're not being inclusive. 460 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:35,390 if we don't want to make it for it. 461 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:36,870 You're not being inclusive at all. 462 00:29:37,090 --> 00:29:37,990 Well, that's hard to say. 463 00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:40,850 That's the direction that we would exclude 464 00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:42,190 at 90% of the city. 465 00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:42,950 No, no, no. 466 00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:46,570 There was a zone that would be effective at the 22 467 00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:48,950 and then the A1 would not be effective 468 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:51,150 if he said, right, well, that's a small, 469 00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:53,270 as far as number of homes in the city. 470 00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:54,270 It's half the city. 471 00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:55,490 It's more than half the A1. 472 00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:56,970 Not anywhere near. 473 00:29:57,150 --> 00:29:58,170 It didn't never, never. 474 00:29:58,530 --> 00:29:59,370 It's not anywhere in the room. 475 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,060 What's our current, what's our current kind of housing on our, our, our one tin. 476 00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:10,700 So the way in the, 477 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:19,040 so the way in the, what prevents them from calling the new structure, the old structure, the ADU versus 478 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:25,760 the new structure. The, the, the Monty EU. Another thing that prevented it is our code saying, so we're existing structures. 479 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,520 So we would have 480 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,280 or put those you can't call the new structure you're building or not eat you and the existing 481 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,800 one eat you, some language to that effect, and then we would have, and then you'd have the 482 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,800 size of higher part of the division here. So it's that it may be forced to always use the 483 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,420 existing as the base and they would always be smaller and shorter than the existing as the base. 484 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,340 You'd never get a home bigger than the existing, but always be smaller if you have those restrictions. 485 00:30:56,940 --> 00:31:01,420 one thought I've had among all this is and I don't know if legally or 486 00:31:01,420 --> 00:31:05,320 administratively it becomes a problem is because I know are you specifically 487 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:11,480 set with the whole grandma's house situation is if we couldn't have I don't 488 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:18,160 always love the idea of multi-tier system but if you have a home that is let's 489 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,000 just throw it around the number is two thousand square feet or is older than a 490 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:31,160 certain date. Again, we'd have to come up with a reason for that to say okay it 491 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:38,220 ends up looking like a flag lot. So that's kind of where I guess I'm missing some 492 00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:44,640 links here. I don't know, but is that some is that what you theoretically say that the 493 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,260 only time in which you could build a larger accessory structure than the primary 494 00:31:48,260 --> 00:31:54,200 is that the existing primary structure is still 31950 and is of a certain, you know, 495 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:58,340 side. I would even just say, I would even just say, 496 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,400 square footage, period. 497 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,220 Right, I mean, we're going to be right, but we're going to have to build an identity that 498 00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:05,940 are what you're tiny. 499 00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:07,180 No, yeah. 500 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:08,060 That's all. 501 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:08,380 Yeah. 502 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,080 Right. 503 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,960 Oh, we can make this whole game as we want the answers. 504 00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:13,420 Yeah. 505 00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:20,080 Yeah, just because looking at that and saying, I mean, again, we get to the basically we're making a flag lot 506 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,640 But they don't have to need a flag lock requirement if we were to work in that situation 507 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,960 Which I think there would be some people would be grateful, but I don't know if that's something we want to do 508 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,900 But that seems a way to say okay, that seems a way to eat your you have a good 509 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:36,440 Have a cake available 510 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,180 She's talking about your flat level hands. 511 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,320 No, but I do think a lot of them should be included in here. 512 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:58,120 So the question, okay, so back out to the 30,000 foot level. 513 00:33:00,490 --> 00:33:09,460 What's the intent of an ADU or the DADU? 514 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,200 What's the intent, the state has an intent? 515 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,720 And intent, I don't know why it is housing. 516 00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:18,960 But what are we more cruel? 517 00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:22,320 Are our goals, is our goal to allow, 518 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,680 have two homes on them? 519 00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:29,520 I have two homes. 520 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,060 We're going to do that then. 521 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,820 Let's turn them into quarter, quarter, and a lot of them. 522 00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:38,660 We agree that that's, but we also are on the point. 523 00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:41,840 That's what, what is our big goal here? 524 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:44,020 Well, I think that's what I think we're losing here. 525 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:45,040 We have lost them in weeds. 526 00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:46,980 I think we fear what the goal is. 527 00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:52,660 I think we fear that a DAPU has the same impact as a regular love. 528 00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:56,320 And the whole intent here is that, no, you do not have to say. 529 00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:02,860 These are more of a smaller family size, smaller footprint, smaller impact on utilities, 530 00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:05,220 smaller back on roads, smaller everything. 531 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:09,800 So it's not to have someone like, it's one house plus one accessory. 532 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:15,260 Plus one little, my kids need to save up to go and call it or to buy their own house. 533 00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:22,780 my brother in law, or have a disabled child and they need their own space and yet cannot 534 00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:25,160 live on their own enough to be in on their own space. 535 00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:28,420 But they need their own little 536 00:34:28,420 --> 00:34:30,020 studio apartment size something. 537 00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:37,430 I mean that's my anticipation, personally of what a 538 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:38,770 DADU should look like. 539 00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:42,790 So is that $1,200 square foot max? 540 00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:44,010 Yeah. 541 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:46,530 I mean, that's kind of my thought process. 542 00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:49,010 That's $1,200 square feet is $1,200 too bad. 543 00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:49,610 That's big. 544 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:50,510 Yeah. 545 00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:52,770 That's a ton of a lot. 546 00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:54,250 That's a lot to be able to get. 547 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:55,330 That's the footprint. 548 00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:58,010 The same is smaller, but it's $1,200. 549 00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:59,590 But it's $1,200, $1,200. 550 00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:00,830 But that's fast as well. 551 00:35:01,370 --> 00:35:05,750 And that's the square foot footprint on the property. 552 00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:08,550 Matt some of a two story house, right? 553 00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:12,150 And so you're still gonna have that crowded lot. 554 00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:13,770 Yeah. 555 00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:16,730 So that's why I just do a second call. 556 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:19,230 I don't know what do we want, that's my question. 557 00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:23,010 I think my question, what is an old man? 558 00:35:23,650 --> 00:35:25,450 My person, I'll tell you my personal. 559 00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:26,810 Yeah, I'm in your tent. 560 00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:29,610 What is the city's goal and what do you mean? 561 00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:31,650 My personal goal. 562 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:42,550 My personal goal in what a DADU should look like, and what I've been asking for, like, 563 00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:48,350 I've been talking to Duane on the side since I went to ULCT two, three years ago, my first year here. 564 00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:51,110 And Farmington has got all this creative thinking. 565 00:35:51,850 --> 00:36:01,470 My mind and my desire says we need to think creatively so that our 25 and 30-year-old kids can afford to buy a house 566 00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:08,150 that has a space in the back that they could rent out so they can actually afford to pay a $3,000 a month mortgage 567 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:12,590 because interest rates are not coming down anytime soon in my opinion. 568 00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:25,330 So we need to think creatively and flexibly to create a thousand square foot house space so that we can see our kids be able to do that. 569 00:36:25,330 --> 00:36:36,730 Or see the fixed income kid a couple be able to stay there and manage because those kids their rent is to take care of the yard or whatever they work out. 570 00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:47,510 So I think we are, I think we're getting so worried about what I think don't get me wrong because the setbacks are so critical because I should not build one my corner acre. 571 00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:51,350 I don't I expound already I get the side the setbacks 572 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:54,270 But I think we need to show our 573 00:36:54,850 --> 00:36:58,090 Residents that we want to see them be able to keep their kids here 574 00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:01,650 We want to see them be able to stay here because it costs and things 575 00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:05,190 Are requiring us to think creatively with housing? 576 00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:07,450 We have to think creatively 577 00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:10,410 Yeah 578 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:13,730 You're preaching to the choir 579 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:18,730 I get it and I have a son who thought in another state because he's not gonna 580 00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:27,410 For this. Yeah, so it's that how we have we wanted to look first race, but if Julie were to turn her if Julie were to turn her 581 00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:37,230 back garage into a little studio apartment. I don't qualify. You don't pay with that. Well, you don't qualify because it's on the property line because it's 582 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:43,030 three feet. Yeah. So if it was six, we're going to pretend it's six. We're going to pretend 583 00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:47,610 they fit it. I made that change, but I'm not sure. So I like that attitude in terms of she 584 00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:54,450 did not pull out by that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if it meant that much to me. No, no, no, 585 00:37:54,590 --> 00:38:01,970 I'm fine. But also it hits and marks to be able to meet people where they could if they wanted to. 586 00:38:01,970 --> 00:38:07,750 So we're not eliminating attached dwelling units, right? 587 00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:15,010 So somebody that couldn't meet the 30-foot set back with a detached unit could still do an attached unit. 588 00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:16,810 Yeah, yeah. 589 00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:21,850 So if the grain bar is the volume of the attached, we're eliminating. 590 00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:26,630 So we're not going to end with the end to say, you can't have an access for the wrong end. 591 00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:35,150 Yeah 592 00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:43,290 I don't see a 650 in 650 foot in whatever you call it 593 00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:47,090 30 feet 594 00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:00,350 They are very expensive. 595 00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:04,350 Why do we have, is that that will look 30 feet right now. 596 00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:06,530 Why don't we want your neighbors building 16 feet? 597 00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:08,690 Right. 598 00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:13,610 If there's a good reason why it's 30 and that's why. 599 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:15,210 The planning process is working. 600 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:17,430 The planning process is literally made into one photograph. 601 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:18,250 We did not. 602 00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:20,130 The planning process is absolutely done. 603 00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:23,370 I told you that last week that it's not true. 604 00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:30,830 So I gave in here and I already would cancel gas it and the council did it. 605 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:33,250 You may have exclusions. 606 00:39:33,350 --> 00:39:33,670 Anyway. 607 00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:36,910 And maybe 20 is the right word. 608 00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:38,230 Maybe it's 10. 609 00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:38,890 I am. 610 00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:40,510 What are we doing? 611 00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:42,570 What are we doing? 612 00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:42,930 What are we doing? 613 00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:45,710 And my perspective says 10 with. 614 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:46,370 Uh-huh. 615 00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:47,870 10 with 650. 616 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:50,690 Because mine, I'm single level. 617 00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:51,730 I'm single level. 618 00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:56,170 Julie, I have a 1250 square foot barn, but it's sitting on the 619 00:39:56,170 --> 00:39:59,030 property line. It's a non-conforming use. 620 00:40:01,410 --> 00:40:04,050 I was just going to say, I think if it's a non-conforming 621 00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:07,850 use, it should all actually use it. It doesn't matter if it's a 622 00:40:07,850 --> 00:40:11,350 6-week, 3-week worker. It's non-conforming. I think that should be part of the 623 00:40:11,350 --> 00:40:15,010 code. So I think it's worth saying, here we go, that this 624 00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:20,130 discussion wouldn't be having any joint meetings, any of this stuff. 625 00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:21,570 this wouldn't be happening at all. 626 00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:23,610 If the state wasn't forcing it to happen. 627 00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:24,370 No, I agree. 628 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:26,890 So being one of our last six years sentence, 629 00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:30,050 where we are essentially trying to satisfy the state 630 00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:31,350 for our environment. 631 00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:32,730 Mm-hmm. 632 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:34,010 Very man of heart. 633 00:40:34,270 --> 00:40:34,370 Yeah. 634 00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:36,970 I was just wondering how many days 635 00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:38,050 of war were changing our zoning. 636 00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:38,830 So I would agree. 637 00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:41,050 I would agree, because if we were doing that, 638 00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:42,350 we wouldn't allow mud to go, though. 639 00:40:42,350 --> 00:40:44,350 That's where the first thing I would be, 640 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:45,670 the first thing on the dot end. 641 00:40:46,050 --> 00:40:48,570 If we were trying to prevent it, 642 00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:54,230 to the point we'd say that I'm under what that's working and then we would 643 00:40:54,230 --> 00:41:02,020 proceed with bring it in there we look at the our goal is our goal is so is our 644 00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:09,900 goal to limit the number of these that can be done in the city that was the 645 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:15,060 attack yes that was what we wanted to add by the definitions goal yes that was 646 00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:24,820 or that was, it was to be, so it's good to have to live at these as much as possible and still being the state requirement. 647 00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:25,900 Yes, that's correct. 648 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,380 We were looking at the V3 requirements being compliance with it and have as limited impact as possible. 649 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,280 So it was that, because you already have the opportunity for ADUs, that's there. 650 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,260 If you're in the Army, have any, you need to have your own, yes. 651 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,520 The availability is there. 652 00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:40,680 You can do the obstacle case. 653 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,620 What's the number one thing people like about this matter? 654 00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:55,650 We get very little public input and everybody comes to us and says stop making more stuff, leave open space, so that was kind of horror. 655 00:41:55,890 --> 00:42:02,110 So that's what I think, so that's good to add that we can know what we're thinking about. 656 00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:08,010 But if yours is opposite, that's what we need to know so that we're on the same page. 657 00:42:08,330 --> 00:42:13,510 I don't know that it's necessarily opposite. I think that there's just got to figure out some sort of a common ground in between. 658 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:19,510 because it is an opposite, but we do need to be thinking more flexibility. We do need to address some of the issues. 659 00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:24,250 I'm not arguing that all the 11,000's need to be able to have this. 660 00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:31,950 But I do think that we need to be able to make it more friendly for a quarter or a half acre or maybe a third acre. 661 00:42:32,110 --> 00:42:35,650 I don't know, but half acre sure. We need to make it easier. 662 00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:44,750 because we have blocks that are 200 deep and 85 wide and they are 110 with phones that are 20 feet back on the curb. 663 00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:48,270 And they've got all over the island, they could build one of these. 664 00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:52,630 Yeah, I mean, I wanted to exclude them, but they're sort of pretty disparate, so they would be able to do it. 665 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:56,270 Well, we don't want to exclude blocks like that that happens in spots. 666 00:42:56,910 --> 00:43:05,630 Yeah, but you wouldn't be able to do this without them, they won't be able to do it. 667 00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:10,710 There's a wizard but there are all one dead. That's what I'm doing. That's right. There's a three made. But it doesn't matter. 668 00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:12,830 I'm just going to show you. 669 00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:15,710 But it's where it's just where it's going. 670 00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:17,570 Yeah it's correct. 671 00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:19,010 That's why you said it's where it's going. 672 00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:19,670 It's all anewing. 673 00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:20,690 Yeah. 674 00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:22,890 I don't think we need a square. 675 00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:24,110 We just hear it. 676 00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:28,510 Look, if you can make it fair with the point section, go for it. 677 00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:29,870 It doesn't matter. I'm just going to do half. 678 00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:31,370 It's just got to face this foot. 679 00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:32,410 The wheat foot out. 680 00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:33,070 What can you do? 681 00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:51,590 I don't want to look at that because I think, I think that has some unintended consequences 682 00:43:51,590 --> 00:43:53,930 to be covering. 683 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,340 Well, again, our thought process is when we left the last meeting is that we were all 684 00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:05,900 in the census, at least the commissioner, the council members, but we needed to look 685 00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:12,590 at this as a more disclusive perspective, not to entertain us. 686 00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:16,910 That was a consensus to God, so we could gather and try to maintain something. 687 00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:20,970 Again, I didn't think there was a consensus at all. 688 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:23,310 I loved that meeting, hearing a lot of different answers. 689 00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:25,170 I don't know if that's a specific question, but you can learn it. 690 00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:26,830 So here it wasn't voted for trust me. 691 00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:28,310 I was voted on top. 692 00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:33,990 No, I'm not saying the consensus was to be inclusive. 693 00:44:34,090 --> 00:44:36,650 I wouldn't use the word inclusive or uninclusive. 694 00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:37,670 I wouldn't say that. 695 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:39,890 If there was a consensus for the last thing, 696 00:44:40,330 --> 00:44:42,450 my takeaway was the consensus was to be clear. 697 00:44:42,450 --> 00:44:43,270 Everybody had a thought. 698 00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:44,550 Yeah, everybody had their own thought. 699 00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:47,290 Okay, let's... 700 00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:50,830 I don't know if this is anywhere, but let's do this. 701 00:44:50,830 --> 00:44:59,610 I'd like to have each council member take two minutes and give their thoughts on what they think on their thoughts of 702 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:03,480 All right, I did. 703 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:31,660 I'd like to have my. I think we're really helpful in two minutes or less, you can give your thoughts on broadly. Doesn't it be super specific? But broadly ideas on setbacks, any kind of size requirements, minutes, and the most imaginable, high requirements, anything that will help to form a planning commission in their final right condition, okay? Well, then I'll go first because I've kind of already told my position on it. And so I would just fine tune it to say 704 00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:39,120 that for me if it's a 650 in the back of the barn I don't know that 30 has to be 705 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:45,780 the number I don't like six I'm pretty sure I don't like six I definitely don't 706 00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:52,320 like three but I don't know that 10 is awful when it's just supposed to be a 707 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,240 detached dwelling unit that somebody's trying to get started on it the purpose of a 708 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:03,260 starter home in the form of even more starter, if that makes sense. So I'm not 709 00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:08,020 necessarily sold on the, I'm not, I don't love the idea of that kind of 710 00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:14,540 situation being limited, being held to 30 foot. I would be okay with 10. 711 00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:20,690 Okay so my 712 00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:26,850 thoughts are we should really focus on the fact that it's an accessory, that it 713 00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:34,050 It should be minimal in comparison to the main structure and within a certain footprint. 714 00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:42,550 And anything less than 10 feet to me is out of the question on a rare setback. 715 00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:46,850 And if that means you're disqualified, it means you're disqualified, or if it means you can 716 00:46:46,850 --> 00:46:49,210 only put in 600 square foot little house. 717 00:46:49,350 --> 00:46:53,110 And I don't think in accessory structure somebody should look at as a starter home. 718 00:46:53,110 --> 00:47:00,150 That's a like a temporary rental place for somebody in a transitional part of life. 719 00:47:00,630 --> 00:47:06,490 Period that and that somebody maybe it will supplement their mortgage payment but it shouldn't 720 00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:12,950 be like we shouldn't set it up so people can use it as a big source of income or you know 721 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:20,250 that focus on just accessory, smaller unit behind the main house and so I think limiting square 722 00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:26,770 footage, total square footage would be wise in comparison. A percentage of the 723 00:47:26,770 --> 00:47:33,110 main structure, something like that. James, you got a lot on setbacks, but the main 724 00:47:33,110 --> 00:47:37,290 nightmare you do, the main principles to me are you have size, which departments 725 00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:40,930 have, high requirements, have other requirements that are sensible, and make 726 00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:45,070 sure that the ADU is not swallowing up the main structure. We can't swap them 727 00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:49,530 and switch them to pretend one's the other, but that it really is accessory and that 728 00:47:49,530 --> 00:47:55,230 their small limited parking, maximize the parking restrictions, maximize those kinds of 729 00:47:55,230 --> 00:48:03,410 resource restrictions so that the EU is truly secondary in the accessory to the EU structure. 730 00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:08,030 And those things you can do, the setbacks, I wouldn't be the favorite to seek the other three 731 00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:09,490 or three or six of them. 732 00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:15,590 For someone who makes it look like this, you don't get some added bonus or benefit by calling 733 00:48:15,590 --> 00:48:19,050 you never get, there's just one step, there's just a charm. 734 00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:22,030 Those are the many things. 735 00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:23,330 Thank you. 736 00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:24,070 Hello? 737 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:25,870 Well, I just wanted to put it on close. 738 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:28,210 I just put it on my arm, I put it on the ball right there. 739 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:29,770 But I went with it in three feet. 740 00:48:30,590 --> 00:48:33,210 So I fired a raider between me and the neighbor. 741 00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:34,150 You have a ball in there? 742 00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:35,350 Yeah, he does. 743 00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:36,770 The truck's got one that goes. 744 00:48:49,210 --> 00:48:58,510 I mean, it would make it great in you, I mean, yeah, yeah, it would be part six, parts on the side, but I'm not going that far out. 745 00:48:58,510 --> 00:49:07,450 But I think my neighbors behind me were about 120 people, and I've got 220, only 86 wide, 746 00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:12,630 perfect. It's ideal for them, and I wouldn't have any infection. As long as it doesn't, 747 00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:21,190 you know, come to the close with me. If they put a accessory building out there, but it wasn't 748 00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:24,230 maybe, I mean, I did, they could move that. 749 00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:29,900 I don't think we're going to get a rush, 750 00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,160 Everybody's coming in a plan for APU for this. 751 00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:40,280 I think, you know, we just have the ability to change these ordinances as we go off. 752 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,980 You may accept the ones that are already running in the building, but... 753 00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:44,680 Why now? 754 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,060 I don't know what I'm talking about. 755 00:49:47,180 --> 00:49:48,040 I don't know what I'm saying. 756 00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:50,760 I don't think so. 757 00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:55,130 I don't know what's happening. 758 00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:58,230 I don't know what's happening. 759 00:50:02,610 --> 00:50:18,250 Yeah, yeah, but we are okay. So, um, yeah, I, I had to appreciate the thoughts of council. I don't know if that gives the planning commission. 760 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:28,210 Let's 761 00:50:28,210 --> 00:50:33,910 those lines. I think some of the things they've got here nice, I think some of me, you 762 00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:39,730 know, you look at some of them there. They've got some sizes and some of them allow different 763 00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:43,470 sizes if you've got different sizes on the other side or certain size on the other side 764 00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:44,930 or certain size on the other side. 765 00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:45,530 Yeah. 766 00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:48,390 Let me ask a question. 767 00:50:49,090 --> 00:50:57,050 I'm going to look like we have two different plans. Whether it be really a larger place where 768 00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:58,710 or if you can force it 30 to it on that, 769 00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:59,910 but whether it be a smaller, 770 00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:02,350 like square finish was only a tank length. 771 00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:04,590 Would you be opposed to the counts of being opposed? 772 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:08,070 If we had two, I'd be used for two ways of telling. 773 00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:09,410 No, I think that's right. 774 00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:12,150 I actually think that that'd be absolutely appropriate. 775 00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:14,890 You're tensing, yeah. 776 00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:15,910 Sort of different things. 777 00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:16,470 Yeah. 778 00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:17,890 You're tensing for the property, 779 00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:18,830 and you want a smaller amount of energy. 780 00:51:18,830 --> 00:51:19,410 You can do that. 781 00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:20,910 You can do that. 782 00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:22,270 Over on the level it was, 783 00:51:22,270 --> 00:51:28,730 There's more perials and so what do you think? 784 00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:34,490 I wouldn't be excited about that initially actually. 785 00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:35,070 I don't know why. 786 00:51:35,330 --> 00:51:40,490 Because it could be a size other than a little thing in front of just... 787 00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:42,990 I mean, it's also like that you've built a bigger one in a polished house. 788 00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:45,770 How do we have restricted restrictions on size? 789 00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:46,610 In my mind. 790 00:51:47,090 --> 00:51:49,750 It could be a little guy in front of...