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Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Chesa County Board of Elections meeting. Today is Friday, December 5th, and it is 10.03 AM.

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My

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name is Josh Maxwell. Joining us online, Commissioner Mary Moskowitz, and to my right, Commissioner Eric Roe. Together, we are your Board of Elections.

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In addition to meeting in person, we are keeping the virtual attendance option to provide flexibility for anyone who wishes to be part of our public meetings, whether it be in this room or on computer or phone. As for all public meetings, this meeting is being recorded for broadcast on the county's website, chisco.org.

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If you're making any formal presentation to the board, or if you wish to make a public comment today, we just ask that if you're attending in person, you come forward to this podium and just state your name before speaking. If you're attending via Zoom, please use that raise your hand feature and wait to be recognized to give public comment. We will now call the meeting to order.

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And I'll ask Mr. Andrew Kreider, our newest employee, newest member of our team, to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Interesting.

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Liberty.

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Thank you, Mr. Carter.

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Alright.

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announcements today, uh, we're gonna start with an update on the independent investigation into the Election Day poll book error.

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And for that, Mr. Byronman's gonna kick us off.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning, everybody, uh, for the record, David Beierman, CEO for Chester County.

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Three weeks

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ago, we announced

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our timeline for the steps we were going to take to address the serious errors that occurred on Election Day this year. And one of the steps that we announced was this meeting, that we would provide an update at this meeting here today. So that's one of the reasons why I'm here right now.

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I'm going to talk about this from a high-level perspective before I introduce Megan Moser, who, as CXO is directly oversight over voter services, who'll provide more details about the investigation itself.

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I want to start off by saying that we are all, every person in this room created as fallible human beings.

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We all make mistakes.

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A serious error occurred here. Okay, Mr. Barman, excuse me,

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a lot of you who have been to these meetings for a long time, and we really appreciate the attention of the county government, one of the things we always try to do, and sometimes we do fail, but make sure that we allow anybody, and I imagine a lot of people are going to get up to speak, that we all allow them that opportunity and respect that. So I appreciate it for this meeting moving forward.

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During public comment and also during Mr. By Ms. Moser's presentation, we allow them to have their time, and then we'll make sure everyone else gets the same respect moving forward.

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Thank you. Please go, Mr. Barman.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We all make mistakes, and in this case, a serious error.

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occurred. Um, and I want to acknowledge right off the bat, we understand the anger that a lot of people feel about that, and we share the frustration that a lot of people feel about that.

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Many have asked how this problem occurred, and I think the more important question is.

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Why was it not caught?

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We all make mistakes, but one of two things is true.

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Either we had insufficient controls to prevent one person's mistake from snowballing into what happened on election day.

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Or the procedures we had in place were not followed. We understand that neither of those explanations are acceptable to the senior management team.

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presumably to our Board of Elections, and certainly to the voters of Chester County.

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We did not live up to our own expectations or to the understandably high-level performance the Chester County voters expect of us.

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So that's what we're focused on.

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I think it's possible to share two contradictory thoughts. One is there was a serious mistake and error that occurred here.

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And two is that we have a number of very conscientious Chester County employees who worked very hard in the weeks after the election.

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to work the problem, to process over 2.5 times the number of provisional ballots that have ever been cast in any election, including presidential elections.

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and who really dedicated themselves to fixing this problem. So I do want to take a moment just to acknowledge and to thank the people who worked through this process.

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So that's where we are. The investigation is underway. It is being conducted efficiently and economically.

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by a law firm that we have no past history with, Fleck, Eckert, Klein, McGarry.

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They are underway with their process. Megan's going to talk about that. Their investigation findings are due on December 19.

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We will take in those findings, and we will have a public meeting in January of this Board of Elections to discuss our findings, to receive feedback from the public.

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And to let you know how we plan to proceed.

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So with that, I'll conclude my remarks, and I'll pass it over to Megan to talk a little bit more in detail about how this investigation is being undertaken.

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Thank you, Mr. Byron. Good morning, everyone. Megan Moser, Chief Experience Officer for the County. I'd like

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to provide some more details on the investigation.

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Um, and where we are on the timeline with that. So on November 17, as many of you know, the county appointed Westchester-based law firm Fleck Ecker Klein McGarry LLC.

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to conduct this independent investigation.

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The overarching goal for this investigation is threefold. Number 1, to identify the primary causes and contributing factors of the poll book error to distinguish between human error and systemic deficiencies, and number 3 to recommend improvements to oversight, accountability, and transparency in election operations here in Chester County.

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To that end, the following questions.

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outline the scope of the investigation. So they are looking at what was the root cause of the production.

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of incomplete poll books that led to the emission of third-party voters.

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What processes and controls were in place within the Department of Voter Services.

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To ensure poll book accuracy, thank you.

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How and why did those processes fail?

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Where were the processes and controls insufficient, or were they not properly followed?

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What other factors contributed to the failure or impeded voter services staff from identifying or reporting concerns, and what caused the significant delays on election day as the county worked to mitigate the issue, and why weren't supplemental poll books delivered to some polling places in a more timely manner?

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So those are really the parameters of the scope of this particular investigation.

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In terms of where we are with status, the law firm is currently conducting interviews with staff, reviewing electronic communications and the technical system involved in poll book production.

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They are on track to complete this investigation by the December 19 deadline.

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After which, we will review the findings and recommendations internally, and then as Mr. Beierman noted, schedule a public meeting so that we can share that with all of you.

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Those are the updates that I have on the investigation for today.

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Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Moser. Um…

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Uh, before we get to Director Burston's report, did we share publicly the, um…

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I think that we did. The, uh… I just want to be transparent with folks, because I imagine it might come up with public comment.

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Uh, the, um, cost and how this will be paid for?

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To be shared that publicly? Can you share that, do you mind?

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Alright, so I'll share. So it's not to exceed $35,000 for the investigation.

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The, uh, it'll come out of the voter services budget, which is in the millions of dollars. Uh, so we have the… we do have those funds budgeted. We get $1.9 million from the state to fund elections. So we'll be able to fund this with the $30,000, not $35,000 out of the voter services budget, so no additional line item.

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specific to this investigation. Just so you know, the costs of this up front. And in proportioned to the size of the voter services budget.

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Okay. Uh, moving right along. Director Barsoom.

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You're notorious, very long-papered.

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Report, please.

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Good morning, um, Board of Elections. Karen Barsoom, Director of Voter Services.

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give a timeline of, um, prior to elections, election day and thereafter.

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Um, so leading up to the election, um, I would like to give a timeline. During the summer, communication was submitted to all municipalities and school districts to confirm.

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offices to go on the November ballots.

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The circulation periods for nomination papers, nomination certificates, substitute nomination papers, and substitute nomination certificates.

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And that in the months of August and September.

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Logic and accuracy testing of the voting system was successfully performed and completed in the months of October.

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The first large batch of mail-in ballots hit the mailstream on October 2nd.

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At the ballot services office, our staff assisted many constituents, including close to 90 voters.

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who came to cure their ballot's materials.

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There were 13 drop boxes in operation during the two weeks leading up to the election.

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On election day. On election day, the poll books did not include the names of third-party voters.

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Currently, an independent investigation is being conducted.

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All polling places remains open until 10pm with a court order.

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I understand that Election Day was especially challenging, particularly for our poll workers.

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I want to extend my sincere thanks for your resilience, hard work, and long hours.

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Despite a high volume of provisional ballots and the additional hours required due to the court's order, you did an outstanding job.

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We can definitely see that in the next step on the road to certification.

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The main reasons for the mail ballots not to move forward in the tabulation process were as follows.

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Over 100 voters did not sign the declaration envelope.

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Over 70 voters did not utilize their secrecy envelope.

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over 50 other issues include.

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Writing on secrecy envelopes, sample ballots instead of official ballots submitted.

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Mismatch of signatures and combination of multiple issues.

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Due to the large volume of provisional ballots, additional steps were taken in addition to our regular thorough investigation.

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Voter services conducted the 2% statistical recount and the post-election verification testing.

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For central tabulation equipment.

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One batch was selected for Chester County in the statewide risk-limiting audit.

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Leading up to Election Day, voter Services made a few referrals to the district's attorney's office.

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Write-in management remains a large component of a municipal election.

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Many contests will have an elected official who won via write-in.

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A tiebreaker event took place on Tuesday, December 2nd. This event determines the winners in 87 contests.

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Which affected over 550 candidates.

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close to 50 contests.

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We'll have an elected official who won by one vote.

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Please keep in mind that during a municipal election year, there are several school districts.

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That's cross-county lines.

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This means that our results alone do not reflect the final winner of those contests.

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Recommendation for certification. On the agenda today, we have resolution, Board of Elections 0925.

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To certify the results of the November 4, 2025 municipal election.

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Voter Services has completed.

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The computation and reconciled all the election materials according to the election codes.

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some statistical data.

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There were 385,849 registered voters this election.

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The total ballast cast was $196,724. That is a voter turnout of 50.98.

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More than 50% voter participators.

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by in-person voting, 132,026.

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Plus, the professional voters of 12,335.

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And through absentee, a mail-in was $52,363. That are the, um, successful tabulated ballots.

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Then, during the, um, reconciliation process.

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There is, I always report on the variance between the tabulated versus the sure numbers.

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Um, the Election Day votes cast… first is voter credit is 69.

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The mail ballots is at the 10 variants, professional ballots at 64.

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In addition to the election code's requirements, voter services performed a thorough reconciliation process.

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And there are always some variances due to flea voters.

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Deficiencies after the declaration envelope has been removed.

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And out of precinct professionals voter credits applying to other, um…

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Precincts and stats.

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So I want to thank the Voter Services team. You all dedicated to work on this process.

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And I want to sincerely thank you for that.

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This election cycle brought longer hours, longer days.

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A much higher volume than usual. Yes, every one of you stays committed.

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through this mission, your perseverance and professionalism made all the difference.

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Lastly, I want to thank everyone who supports the Voter Services team.

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Leading up to the election, on election day and thereafter, not only during this election.

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But during every election, twice a year, it is truly a team effort, and your commitment does not go unnoticed.

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you. Thank you, Director Burston. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. I know the answer, I've asked before, but we might have new people in the room. Can you give reasons for some of these variances?

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I know you've gotten it to as low as 7 previously, I think last year, maybe the year before, but why would that happen?

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so, uh, variance is different, um, uh, type of ballots have different variances.

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Mail-in ballots, for example, if a deficiency is found after the declaration has been removed from these secrecy and the ballots are separated.

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If there is a sample ballots, for example, inside a secrecy envelope.

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We would not have seen that while the declaration was still attached.

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So that voter has voter credits for voting, but when we open the secrecy envelope, it was a sample ballot, and we don't know whose ballot that is anymore, so that would be one more voter credits than vote tabulators.

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Thank you. At the poll, it would be, for example, a flea and voter, somebody who comes in the poll.

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checks in, receives their ballots, and doesn't place it in the tabulator.

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Like, before we had tabulators, it was called a protest vote.

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Um, there are other, uh, reasons at the poll. Humans are involved. There was much more, uh, professionals.

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So we also saw that maybe a name was on the numbered list of voters.

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But not in a poll book or vice versa. That happens every election. Um, we saw that this election, too.

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And then for provisionals, um.

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We had to scan in 12,000,335.

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Um, envelopes, barcodes, um, I know many of the Board of Elections advertised.

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That I was done as soon as possible, so we had 25 staffers maybe scanning each 500 or more envelopes in a period of.

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probably more than a week, um, to get all those barcodes entered, and if the system didn't save a barcode.

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Or they went quick through the envelopes, um, as there was a time constraint to this process.

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And that's where that variance would be. And looking back at 2024 versus our variants today in the provisional, that is exactly in line with 2024. We had a variance of 10.

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in, um, two towers and some professional ballads.

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Now we have a variance of 64 in 12,000.

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335, that is stabilitators, but we also scanned in the barcodes of the non-tabulated professionals.

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My understanding is that scanning process, due to this error and having to count all these provisional ballots was over 250 hours just of scanning those ballots, is that about right?

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depending on, uh, how, you know, what kind of scenario it is. It can take up to 3 minutes per professional barcode scanning.

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Uh, for the system to, you know, put in all the data, connect the barcodes to the voter.

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Um, and then have the system save it and go to the next. Thank you, Director. I think Commissioner Rowe has a question.

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Yes. Director Barsoom, thank you for your report today.

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So, the variants.

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I understand it, it is a…

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combination of overvotes and undervotes, is that correct?

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So, like, credits that were given to voters who did not actually submit a ballot.

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ballots received where we don't know which voter it was, and then those two are combined to come up with a positive or negative number.

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So, the positive or negative wouldn't necessarily be with.

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who did or did not submit a mail-in ballot. For example, it would be which one was tabulated versus not.

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So the scenario earlier with, um, a declaration envelope giving credits, but then along the line, during the separation of the envelopes, which is the secrecy process.

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Then, if there would be a ballot in there, that would be a sample ballot in stats. Here we have one more voter credits than ballot tabulated.

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The reverse effects would be if somebody would not have.

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scan in a barcode or save that.

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Or if somebody came secure, it went from pending to, um…

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you know, voter credits, you know, there could be that kind of anomalies.

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So, if you have positives and negatives on either side of it, those two are combined, then come up with the variance.

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So the variance that I am giving you is the bottom line from the actual tabulated.

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And the voter credits. Variance is purely the bottom line that I gave you. I didn't give the pluses and minus, so if you look at the tabulated versus photocredits.

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There is a variance of 10.

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Do you know how wide the spans for Election Day mail-in ballots, and provisional ballots are.

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That the… I'm looking for how wide the span is that then was.

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calculated to come up with the final bottom line variance.

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there are 230 precincts, right, and every precinct is reconciled and looked at.

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That would be the variance. Uh, like, every line item. So if one precinct have a minus one and another has a plus 1, it's 0.

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what I'm getting at, so I'm wondering how many… what is the difference between all of the minuses and all of the pluses?

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would need to pull up a reconciliation spreadsheet. Um, I know that some people in the room have that with them, too.

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you don't have it, no worries. Um…

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Director Barsoom, I'm not here to litigate what happened or how the mistake happened. There's an investigation to get to the bottom of that.

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One thing, and I want to thank you for answering my questions offline, because I've had plenty of them.

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I want to thank you for giving me so much of your time.

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For the first couple of hours of the day, I've heard many reports from people saying that.

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If they were an independent voter and their name was not listed in the poll book.

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They were asked to.

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have their name cross-referenced with a voter list.

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a list of all the voters in that precinct, and if their name was on that list, they were asked to provide their.

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name, address, and then sign a blank space in the back of a poll book.

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I heard a lot of reports of that.

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to have people vote that way rather than provisionally for the first couple hours of the day.

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um, directly when Election Day started, um, obviously, um, there was, um, we directly were aware that.

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before 7 o'clock, so the first gravitational standard operating procedure is the one that's outlined in the poll book instructions.

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Um, that is what was utilized first. There are two standard operating procedures if somebody is not in a poll book.

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As this, um, directly seemed to be a large group of voters impacted, we directly went to the standard operating procedure that's outlined in the poll book itself.

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Um, and that is the, um, utilizing the tools that are at the polling place.

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to navigate through the process, which is, indeed, all polling places had the full alphabetized list of voters.

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Where they could see, definitely, if somebody is a registered voter, yes or no, of that precinct.

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Seconds would be the, um, the mail-in absentee list to see if this person did request and was issued one. Not if it was voted or not, just purely issued. If it was issued, it would be provisional. If it wasn't issued.

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It would be, um, through the process with the ball book.

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that… I'm glad you mentioned the mail-in ballots and how that interacts with that process of signing the back of a poll book.

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I'm concerned that, hypothetically, someone could have voted.

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By signing the back of the poll book and then submitting a ballot the normal way, which goes right into the machine at the precinct.

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How do we know for sure that they didn't also submit a mail-in ballot as well?

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for the mail-in ballots, because that was referenced, and then again, during reconciliation, that was referenced.

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processes put in place for this election greater than our normal tarot process for provisionals, in which we scanned in directly all.

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Um, independent voters, either through those pages, which is not necessarily blank pages in the back of the poll book, just to keep the record straight, it would be, for most poll workers, didn't directly, where.

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and see all those manually entries. They got voter credits.

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And all the supplementals were scanned in before provisional research was conducted for that precinct.

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Which would have captured anyone that actually physically got an in-person voting ballots.

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And that once in a tabulator, so that we could cross-reference of any provisional voter, hypothetically speaking, would have come before or after.

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That professional would not be counted.

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State sign off on that standard operating procedure for the first couple of hours of the day?

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Where people sign a blank space in the poll book. That procedure is actually… and

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I need to reference to the lawyers in the room if that is.

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As described in the election codes, but that is a standard operating procedure that's not only the procedure in this county, but in many other counties, because.

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us counties, we, you know, collaborate, and we see what procedures are across the board, so…

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desire to help people vote. I mean, we don't want to disenfranchise any voters, and we wanted to come up with a.

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quick, efficient way of getting people their ballots so that they could vote them. I guess I'm just concerned that people may have voted twice, or may have voted when they were, in fact, were not eligible.

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Um, with the provisional ballot process, there's a vetting, as you and your staff so thoroughly did afterwards.

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to go through each of the provisionals and make sure that.

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People who voted were eligible to vote. I just want to make sure that nobody for the first few hours of the day.

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voted who was not supposed to vote.

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make sure that it's correctly on the record in this meeting, the variance between the first initial directive, which was around 7 o'clock when the polls opens.

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to the secondary direction, there was, like, 15 to 12… maybe 10, 15 minutes.

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before that was changed, obviously, we need to send text messages to all poll workers.

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which was done, and then they need to read it, and there might be a delay on that front, but.

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before 7.30, that already was readjusted. So, I know that maybe you heard that it was several hours that people utilized a certain process.

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But I was definitely not a directive that we continue to communicate and switch to.

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is the process of issuing directives? Through what media do those directives arrive at the individual precincts? Is there.

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A blast email that goes out? Is there a intranet website that the judges of elections can refer to? How do we efficiently.

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and timely get that information.

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to the parties.

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many elections, and even before mail-in ballots, there are different ways on how you can communicate with poll workers.

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Mobile is not always the greatest, because there are basements or community centers anywhere where the cell surface is not as.

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Well, but the best practices are to, um, communicate by text message.

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Uh, which we do through the CHESCO connects, or the Chesconut connects, the Chesco, um.

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Afraid system, sorry, we utilize that, so before every election, we designed groups with the Department of Emergency Services.

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One group would be roamers, one group is technicians, one judge of self-elections.

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And we can send instantly text to all those different groups.

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Okay. And that was done a lot during Election Day for different things.

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on your… on your write up here, it says that close to 50 contests.

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will have an elected official who won by only one vote. Mm-hmm.

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How confident are you that those.

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almost 50 contests.

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decided.

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the way how the write-in process works, um, in general.

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is that, um, anyone that does a write-in writes in, obviously, a name, or colors the oval.

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And next to it, they write in a name. That actually snapshots at little snippets we call this picture is presented to the public directly after the election, or later than Friday.

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We posted publicly on the website. So the first process in which the public is.

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As part of this process is that if they really want that particular position, they would go on and look at the snippets and be curious how many pictures are with their name, or.

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a variation of their name. They can submit a letter of accumulation to the Board of Elections by no later than 9 o'clock the Monday after the election.

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So anyone who did that.

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Obviously, we know they want the job.

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Um, then this election and a general election in Pennsylvania, anyone can win by one vote, or one more than anyone else.

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Which technically means you can win by one vote. So if I…

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have any person, for that matter, that put their name in there because maybe they don't know who to vote for, or they put their name on there because they can see their own snippet on websites.

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They actually gave themselves a chance to become that person.

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So then the team for…

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more than a week, we are looking at every bucket.

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That is going to be decided by write-in, and we are going to look up.

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Every person in that bucket, if they are actually a registered voter of the precinct.

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If so, they are listed on the, uh…

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unofficial results.

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Which we had, for example, 26 in the municipality. There were 26 people.

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that either somebody in the family or somebody wrote their name in.

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26 people that were registered voters of that precinct.

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And that was a tiebreaker.

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So, um, there's a lot of work that goes in write-in management.

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there's something, you know, that we have certain rules of in the election codes.

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There's also certain things that are set by the Board of Elections and how we do it here in this county.

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Um, we are…

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Becky and Rebecca could be assigned the same, right? But now, if there is a mom or a daughter, Becky and Rebecca.

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They also can be assigned to the same, because it's our… we are sworn in to give the best interpretation of our findings.

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That's why, in the 5-day review period.

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opens up, and we present 5 days before this meeting the results to the public.

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And then the public can see if there is something that they feel that we need to research again, or they are like, hey, by the way, there is actually.

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you know, to people with similar names.

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Maybe this was not supposed to be all for this person, and then we communicate with those individuals and we rectify that.

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it's my understanding that there were precincts in the city of Coatesville and in New Garden Township that were almost entirely using the wrong directives. Is that true? And what happened in those places?

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would need to look at these specific precincts and their materials that they returned.

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I don't believe I have all that many more questions. I'll turn it over to my colleagues.

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thank you, Commissioner. I just want to reiterate what you said, Director Bershoum, in that, um.

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Maybe you can answer this for me. Do you take great pride in, uh, running elections here in Chester County?

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Yes, I know. I would argue, and I think anyone who's met with you, I think you've been in the car with some.

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people driving them around, showing them how these elections work. Um, I know how much this means to you, I know how much this means to the staff, um, and, um, know that, um.

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Your work is respected, your team's work is respected. Know that in times like this, and we've gone through situations where, um, whether it's human error or something else, uh, working together to solve that problem with different political parties.

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different individuals, the smartest people we can find, is how we fix these things moving forward. So I just want to say how incredibly proud I am to have a team that responded the way they did on Election Day. I'm proud that we were able to count those 12,000 third-party votes, all but three, I think, that we could. Know that if your vote was affected by this.

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are disenfranchised. Director Barsoom, the entire team, everyone in this room is committed to making sure you never have that experience again here in Chester County. We want to have the best elections in Pennsylvania, if not the country. We failed on Election Day, but we do have the commitment.

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And the right minds to make sure that we're in a good place moving forward. So just know that we're sorry. And to all those election workers that say 2 extra hours, we ask for an extra hour. The judge gave us 2.

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Um, so, uh, uh, folks who are on their feet all day, limited snacks, limited water.

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expected GOME at 8 and have their glass of wine after turning in the ballots, uh, or had to stay an extra 2 hours, and that was incredibly difficult for many of them. Um, I just want to share my thanks, Commissioner Rose's thanks, Commissioner Moskowicz's thanks, and everyone at Voter Services for their hard work, election workers are not thanked enough, and they went above and beyond under very difficult circumstances, not created by themselves.

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So just want to end your report by saying thank you and know that we all understand we didn't live up to your expectations, but we are committed to making sure that we never have this experience again.

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Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Maria?

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I think you're free to go.

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Oh, I think Commissioner Moskowitz was going to text me if she had a question, but, uh…

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She'll… she'll jump in.

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All right, we have the minutes of October 31st, Halloween.

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have a motion. So moved.

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I second. Any discussion?

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All right, Commissioner Moskowitz gets the second. Any discussion?

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Second.

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Also,

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paper, please say aye. Aye.

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Any post? Paying none, motion passes. Up next, public comment on the agenda. On the agendas today is certifying the election. Uh, Ms. Moser, you want to kick off the rules for this?

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Absolutely, thank you. At this time, we invite public comment on agenda items only.

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If you wish to make a comment on a topic that is not on today's agenda, we ask that you wait for the public comment period that is set aside later in the meeting.

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Comments on agenda items should be directed to the Board of Elections, and there is a 3-minute time limit per person.

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We thank everyone in advance for remaining respectful and considerate during the public comment process. As a reminder, public comment is not a forum for dialogue or questions and answers. In order to help the comment period run more smoothly, there is a timer with lights on top of the podium. The timer will count down from 3 minutes, and the green light will initially be lit.

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When you have 30 seconds remaining, the yellow light will come on to let you know to begin wrapping up your comments. Once the time limit has expired, the red light will come on and you will have to conclude your remarks.

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For those appearing via Zoom or on the phone, we will provide a 30-second warning and then let you know when your time has expired. If you'd like to make a comment specific to an item appearing on today's agenda, if you're in person.

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Please come to the podium, state your name and your municipality before speaking. If you're connected through Zoom, you can use the raise your hand feature or press star 9 on your telephone keypad. We will start with public comment in person first before moving to comment from those connected through Zoom.

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Mr.

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Chairman, good morning. My name is Rafi Turzian Township, chair of the Republican Committee of Chester County.

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The

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municipal election of November 4 was a complete debacle.

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And fraught with problems. As everyone is now aware, independents and others were left out of the poll books.

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causing chaos and confusion across the county.

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Republicans sounded the early alarm that day. What is less clear is when voter services became aware of the problem.

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As you've heard earlier, voters were given inconsistent guidance on voting procedures. In some instances, voters were permitted to vote.

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By signing a blank page in the existing poll book with their names cross-referenced to a master list at the poll.

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No

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signature verification.

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No check of valid identification.

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The directive was then given to pivot to the provisional ballot process.

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Many voters were turned away, some who never returned. I personally spent a good part of the day.

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Visiting many precincts, and directly heard from citizens.

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who were angry and frustrated.

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A number of precincts ran out of provisional ballot supplies and supplemental poll books did not arrive until later in the afternoon.

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Subsequently, when it was time to review the provisional ballots, appropriate questions were raised about deficiencies in many of the ballots.

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Ultimately, this Board of Elections.

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In a 2-1 vote, elected to allow.

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illegal ballots to be counted in clear violation of the law.

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want to thank Commissioner Rowe.

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We're actually stepping up and doing the right thing and voting against.

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those. In the midst of all this.

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And in a pathetic and atrocious attempt to blame, shift, and misdirect the public.

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Commissioner Maxwell, inexplicably attempted to hang disenfranchisement.

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and lay blame at the feet of Republicans.

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It was also clear from his social media post that he had already predetermined.

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and prejudged how he would rule on provisional ballots.

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Before the hearing actually took place.

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what Commissioner Maxwell doesn't understand.

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is that people aren't fooled by his outlandish rhetoric.

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They fully recognize that the Chester County government, led by Commissioner Maxwell, bears sole responsibility for disenfranchising thousands of citizens.

402
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across our county. Now, a so-called independent investigation has been launched.

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But we have no faith or confidence.

404
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that this investigation will lead to the truth.

405
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The limited scope undermines its validity without fully understanding the negative impact.

406
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to the citizens. It is why we are proposing a truly independent, multilateral commission be formed independent of county government.

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to investigate this matter fully.

408
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In recent years, we have

409
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raised legitimate and appropriate questions related to the election process in our county.

410
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You see, we believe in the sacred right of voting and election integrity.

411
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These are fundamental to public trust.

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We also believe that the law matters.

413
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And on November 17th, this Board of Elections decided to ignore the law entirely. Your time

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has expired. Please conclude your remarks. Thank you.

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Today, this Board of Elections will likely vote to certify this election.

416
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Given the multiple and glaring irregularities and gross incompetence that occurred in this municipal election, we do not believe this election can be certified.

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And we believe that all reasonable and fair-minded people would agree.

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This is about fairness, transparency, and accountability.

419
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Board of Elections, the ball is now in your court. Thank you.

420
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Sandy Berman, Chester County.

421
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Proper oversight of elections has been eliminated.

422
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Since they have been turned over to private corporations.

423
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by the adoption of electronic equipment.

424
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And the outside vendors printing our poll books.

425
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In addition, PA lawmakers have shown they are not serious about election security.

426
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bypassing the unconstitutional.

427
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Act 77.

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And this year, we witnessed.

429
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that human error.

430
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Has suspended the rule of law.

431
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So, Chester County has… I have had concerns.

432
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About elections in Chester County since I've been attending these meetings in 2021.

433
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So here's just some brief history.

434
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The statutorily required to present statistical recount is not being performed by hand.

435
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As per law.

436
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In 2021, we saw USB sticks issues that.

437
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were improperly counting the.

438
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the ballots with no clear explanation.

439
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And then, in that same year, staff were placing small marks on the outside margin of the ballots.

440
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
that were printed in a different hue than the normal ballots?

441
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Improper handling of the ballots through the machine equipment, which were ripping the ballots. They were taped and still run through the tabulators. We have no idea if they were counted properly.

442
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There are no known concerns with our voter lists, and they have been reported to this county.

443
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With no cooperation.

444
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Video evidence of ballot stuffing at drop boxes and altered Dropbox seal placing chain of custody into question.

445
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Right to Know request denied for CVR reports because we're told they can identify who a.

446
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,000
voter voted for, so we're either… we either have an unlawful election.

447
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Or we're unlawfully denying access to public information.

448
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And then this year, of course, the 75,000 voters that were eliminated. So how can we trust that anything in that poll book was accurate?

449
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It appears we had slightly under 500 inactive voters who voted at a polling location.

450
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Was this form filled out for everyone?

451
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To make sure that we had the proper identification.

452
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I don't know if we need to know the answer to that.

453
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Due to the chaos, um, with the… just the volume of provisional ballots.

454
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and the inexperienced staff.

455
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We don't even know if everything was thoroughly checked.

456
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And now we hear that you want to go to electronic poll books. Well, um…

457
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Fayette County had a problem with their electronic poll books and had to go to paper poll books, so that's not the answer.

458
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And this is just a small compilation of concerns, however… Time has expired, please

459
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conclude your remarks. I

460
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assume this board will certify another election that should not be certified without a full forensic audit.

461
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And election security matters because elections are a matter of local state and national security.

462
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Good morning, I am Diane Hauser of Euclid.

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The matter regarding the November 4th

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election poll

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book issue whereby a recently hired Voter services employee and the newly hired supervisor failed to include unaffiliated voters in the poll books, was compounded.

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won several provisional ballots were challenged because some.

467
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judges of elections failed to follow all the procedures required by law.

468
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Furthermore, due to these challenges, Republicans were referred to as bad guys by Commissioner Maxwell.

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Election integrity is a non-partisan issue.

470
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The election laws still apply even when the Board of Elections makes the mistake.

471
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Bending the rules sets a precedent for future elections.

472
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When our legislature passes election laws, it is with the understanding that a county will abide by those laws.

473
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Counties, as well as individuals do not get to pick and choose which laws they will follow and which laws they will not follow.

474
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Adhering to the rule of law helps to preserve and ensure the rights of all citizens.

475
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Now, it appears that perhaps due to this debacle, the county may be advancing the use of electronic poll books.

476
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JUDY WOODRUFF After all, if an electronic poll book were missing 75,000 voters.

477
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Then those missing names could just be uploaded.

478
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Sounds like a simple solution, right?

479
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,000
On the contrary, besides being a huge cost to the taxpayer.

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The connection of the ePoll books to the internet is bidirectional, so the tallies on the ePo books can be changed remotely in real time via their FirstNet core network connection.

481
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The pole book knows who requested a ballot, who was sent a ballot, who returned a ballot, who voted early, and who voted on election day.

482
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All this information is in the cloud.

483
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Every cloud is hackable.

484
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Through the Department of Motor Vehicles, as well as access given to numerous non-government organizations, it's easy to inflate the voter rolls even with non-citizens.

485
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In addition, the Department of Justice has sued the state for refusing to provide their full statewide voter registration files.

486
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I ask that the county please do their homework before even considering the adoption of electronic poll books. Oh, and by the way.

487
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My husband was a poll worker at Precinct 659. Your time has expired. Please conclude your order. He still has not received.

488
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payment for his services. Thank you.

489
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Uh,

490
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Sally Menninger, Chester County.

491
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How different November 4th would

492
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have been if the poll books had been reviewed by voter services before they were delivered to the precincts.

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If that discovery that independent voters' names were not included in the poll books was made earlier, the books could have been reprinted before the election in this situation, avoided altogether.

494
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But even prior, there had been a high turnover among Joes and inspectors of elections, as well as a high turnover.

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in the Voter Services Department. These events resulted in lack of training and inconsistencies from precinct to precinct, some with experienced workers and others with newly elected or newly appointed officials.

496
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So the scene was now set.

497
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All election officials experienced, inexperienced, elected, appointed, were forced to deal with this confusion and to explain to voters what happened.

498
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And why they couldn't vote as planned.

499
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As was already said, voters used the master, uh, were allowed to write in their names and use the master list in the beginning, and then the directive.

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came from voter services to vote for originally.

501
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Until new poll books arrived. But they didn't arrive until 4pm is the latest 5 p.m. at some polling places.

502
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And because of this, a decision was made to keep the polls open until 10, and these already tired poll workers kept going.

503
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But some voters left when told they couldn't vote by regular ballot, and some never returned.

504
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I was a candidate who knocked every independent voter's door in my township, and although these votes would not have changed the outcome of the election.

505
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I'll never know how many votes I earned that I didn't get.

506
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I'd like to give credit to the poll workers at my precinct who were conscientious, even calling back a neighbor who had forgotten a signature, and she returned and signed.

507
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But we're all poll workers as conscientious.

508
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Guidance from voter services was lacking, and inconsistencies were blamed on the poll workers who received poor guidance.

509
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not voter services, who supplied or did not supply guidance. And at the hearing held on November 17th, after most of the blame was placed on these poll workers for the anomalies that resulted from this huge mistake.

510
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The Department of Voter Services was basically given a free pass.

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But it was in this department that the mistake originated. This includes the director, who by nature of the position she holds.

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is ultimately responsible, and above her, our elected county commissioners and the new chief experience officer, who was supposed to oversee everything.

513
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And then at the hearing, the decision was made to abandon election law and count unlawful votes because it wasn't the voter's fault that a ballot was completed incorrectly.

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Though this may be true, this abandonment sets the precedent to disregard election laws at a future date and undermines further the people's trust in our elections.

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And for all of these reasons, I don't feel that you commissioners.

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can in good conscience vote to certify this election today.

517
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Thank you very much.

518
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Alright,

519
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got it.

520
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Hello, my name's Karen Gurley.

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Uh, I'm sorry I didn't bring prepared remarks,

522
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so if I'm a little bit rambling, I apologize.

523
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Um, I'm the judge of elections at Precinct 617 in Valley Forge Elementary School.

524
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Um, obviously, it was quite a storm on Election Day.

525
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But, um, I just want to say, I felt like…

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We were actually very well prepared as poll workers.

527
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to deal with the situation.

528
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Um, I think…

529
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Our voters seemed…

530
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You know, upset.

531
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But understood that we were.

532
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Helping them get their votes.

533
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Written, we had over, I think we had in the end, 70 provisional votes.

534
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that we dealt with in our precinct.

535
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I'm sure others had more.

536
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Uh…

537
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I… I don't think…

538
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any of our voters… I'm sure I can only speak to my precinct.

539
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,000
I don't think any of our voters left.

540
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Maybe that was because we were experienced workers.

541
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,000
Again, I'm only speaking to my precinct.

542
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But I felt like we were very well trained.

543
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It was a big storm, but.

544
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we weathered that storm.

545
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
I thought exceptionally well.

546
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I was really proud.

547
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Sorry.

548
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I was really proud of my workers.

549
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That's all. Thank you.

550
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,000
Hi, my name is John Lufer. I'm from New London Township.

551
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On November 5th, I registered as

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a Democrat.

553
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Because I was in attendance on November 4th.

554
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And

555
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I'm gonna tell you.

556
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That really upset me what happened that day. Very much so. I had to come back 3 times because I refused to vote provisional ballots. Why?

557
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Because they can be challenged in a court of law. My vote cannot be challenged in a court of law.

558
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000
End of

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story.

560
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,000
I'm gonna tell you right now, it's voter suppression.

561
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
It's really disenfranchisement. That is criminal.

562
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,000
criminal! They're whore!

563
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,000
An independent investigation isn't good, though.

564
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Your investigation isn't good enough! It needs a federal investigation where they have the ability to do it.

565
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Okay,

566
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,000
and I'm telling you right now.

567
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,000
ran over in Westchester!

568
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,000
a law firm in Westchester is not!

569
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Independent, or Chester County!

570
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000
I won't tell you that!

571
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Especially if I get a car hit!

572
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,000
And

573
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
you're not hearing from everybody. I have 3 friends!

574
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,000
who said, I went to her, I said, you're the attorney, why aren't you complaining?

575
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,000
They said, I just want to do a list!

576
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,000
This is America, for heaven's shakes!

577
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,000
Journey in 1933?

578
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Just to hold!

579
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,000
This is ridiculous! And I'm telling you right now, there is incompetence, and there is criminality!

580
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:10,000
And it's cruel, I'm going to prosecute to the highest extent of the law. I only have one thing in this country, one thing, and that is my vote!

581
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:16,000
And you guys took that sacredness and lived for me!

582
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:24,000
And I'm not gonna forgive you for that! And I'm gonna tell Claire Washington to look you down! Sir, please direct your comments at the door.

583
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000
It is a horrible offense!

584
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Okay? In constant criminal, it doesn't matter. She needs to be terminated. Not!

585
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Lynn Strauss, West Goshen Township.

586
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,000
I'm reading an email I sent to Josh Maxwell.

587
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000
and copied

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00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000
to the commissioners on 11-19-25.

589
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Regarding the

590
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,000
11-17-25 hearing on provisional voting challenge.

591
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Please enter this email into public record.

592
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Josh, I wanted to take a second to send you a note saying how impressed I was.

593
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That you took responsibility for what happened as the head of the Board of Elections.

594
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I attended the first 3 hours of the hearing in person.

595
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,000
and listened on Zoom to about 45 minutes of the subsequent 3 hours.

596
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I don't know what to say about the solicitor of the Chester County Republicans.

597
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,000
who is trying to disenfranchise all those voters.

598
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Hey folks. Hey, folks. I

599
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listened

600
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
politely to everybody else.

601
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:47,000
I think you can afford me the same.

602
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,000
I don't know what to say about the solicitor for the Chester County Republicans.

603
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,000
who was trying to disenfranchise all those voters.

604
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:01,000
I've never seen anybody that unprepared and long-winded at the same time.

605
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,000
We will eventually find out what happened with the printing of the poll books.

606
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:13,000
The only options I can think of are of failing, lack of checks and balances, or sabotage, both terrible.

607
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:23,000
While the Republican solicitor was fiddling around with her papers, asking questions beyond the scope of the hearing, and generally appearing discombobulated.

608
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:33,000
You took personal responsibility. At this time in the country, when few take personal responsibility, it was nice to be reminded.

609
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Josh, for the buck stops here, level of integrity.

610
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:58,000
Hey friends! Hey friends, I promise we'll make sure that everyone has an uninterrupted public comment. I know we're going to have a lot of disagreement throughout this public comment on both sides, on every side, and this is very stressful for a lot of people, so I just encourage you to treat people with respect that we're going to encourage people to have for you when you get up for public comment.

611
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Please continue. As I

612
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worked as a greeter at the West Ocean N3 from 7 to 10.30 a.m, a poll worker at West Ocean N2 from 1.30 to well after 10 PM and was a precinct candidate for inspector, I felt very much affected by the poll books.

613
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:25,000
By an hour into the hearing, it was extremely evident to everybody, regardless of initial opinion.

614
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:31,000
that Josh and Marion were interested in getting all the votes to count and finding out what happened.

615
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Thereby ensuring it never happens again. As for the Republican solicitor, I don't know if I've ever seen somebody have what appeared to be such a strong hand throw it away in such a manner. She could have been fighting for the voters.

616
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,000
The democracy hero of the county.

617
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Anyway, once again, thank you, Josh, for being a leader who takes responsibility for what happens under your management. I was impressed.

618
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000
On

619
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,000
a personal level, your time has expired, please conclude your remarks. On

620
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:08,000
a personal level, I was also impressed by the grace of the entire Board of Elections and Voter Services.

621
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,000
who offered completely unprepared solicitor.

622
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:28,000
I would hope that I would be as nice and non-judgmental. I honestly don't know if I would have.

623
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Can I start? Hi, my name's Brett DeLenti. I live in West Marble Township, and I'm speaking on behalf of the League

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of Women Voters Pennsylvania.

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myself and the executive director of the League of Women Voters of Pennsylvania were present during part of the auditing of ballots.

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And we stand behind everything the.

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Board of Elections has done to rectify these problems. We support the.

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Study that's being done to figure out, again, the root cause of these issues. So we support.

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The Board of Elections and support voting in Pennsylvania. Thank you.

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My name is Deanna Wei, Chair of the Trudeaufen Township Republican Committee.

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And a candidate in the

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2025 Chester County election.

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Today, I stand here has stunned.

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by what has happened this year, on November 4th, Election Day, in the wealthiest county in Pennsylvania, and in the most developed country.

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in the world. I saw this land as rule of law.

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But I guess it's not here in Chester County.

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The level of incompetence and irresponsibility.

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shown by our county government in managing our elections is beyond anything.

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I could have her imagined.

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for the repeated issues that you have in this entire year for 2025 election, from the missing personory.

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for primary elections.

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And the debacle with the wrong polling books used on November 4.

643
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You should all feel shamed for a lot of the work you do. I mean the incompetent.

644
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Leaders in the voter services, now the hardworking staff members, not the hardworking poll workers.

645
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But incompetent leaders.

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If you still understand what the word.

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Accountability means.

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If you still have a sense of self-respect.

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And integrity. You shouldn't resign.

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Even

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more traveling.

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in the behavior of.

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My elected official.

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Who is supposed to represent your constituents?

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Not just the one that you favor.

656
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Instead, Commissioner Judge Maxwell.

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acted as though you were a king, pointing fingers at the Chester County Republicans.

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spreading a message misrepresented the fact that further divided our community.

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I have witnessed so many.

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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,000
officials from the dictatorship China.

661
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But frankly, your conduct is way worse than many of them.

662
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The hypothesy that you present is unbelievable.

663
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
But this is America.

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,000
Such behavior is not only inappropriate.

665
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,000
But it's not… it is fundamentally.

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incompatible with the duty, responsibility, and ethical obligations as of a Conti Commissioner.

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The authority mastered in you is granted by the citizens you represent.

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,000
And that authority can be withdrawn when it's abused.

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On behalf of the three different Township Republican Committee.

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I here submit a formal demand for retraction and apology from Chester County Commissioner Smith, as well as request for his censor.

671
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Thank you.

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this is just gonna be short, because it's only common sense.

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You cannot certify.

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an election when there were so many irregularities.

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And what Ms. Wang and the man with the orange hat said.

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is right. Whoever was responsible for this, Karen.

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Among others, you need to resign. It wasn't the first time.

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that something happened like this.

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There were independents and other non-affiliateds not in the poll books.

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And then in the primaries, the prothronitary wasn't even on the ballot.

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You can't certify an election when there were so many irregularities.

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That's it.

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01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,000
My name is Linda Moore. I live in Pakopson Township.

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That is Precinct 530. I am the Inspector

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of elections

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there. I work 16 hours on November 4th, and then the next 5 days, observing at Central Scan for about 30 hours. So what I'm about to share is from those observations.

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Our precinct had 103 provisionals.

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Which really should have only been about 2, because two of the voters, bail-in ballots had not been received.

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From 7am till 2.30, our Joe and Minority Inspector had 92 voters.

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That may not sound like a lot, but each of those voters, it takes between 10 and 15 minutes individually to process the paperwork. It's a much more complicated and precise way of voting.

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That provisional ballots are not meant for mass voting.

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It's meant for the exception.

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And unfortunately, the exception.

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in our voting on the November 4th was large.

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We didn't have to make the voters… we didn't want the voters to wait so long, so we set up actual separate tables.

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For provisional ballot voters so that they would have their own line. There was a line to process these voters.

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Al Schmidt, the Secretary of the Commonwealth, is quoted in cityandstate.com.

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Quote, it appears that when Chester County did what's called a poll book extract.

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That extract only included voters who registered in the major parties.

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It goes on to say, and did not include anyone else.

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So the county was sent correct voter data by the Commonwealth, but they did not.

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extract the correct information for the poll books.

703
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And how do I… how can I support that position?

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We get multiple data points in the poll… at the polls. We have.

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The poll books. We have a mail-in ballot list that lists everybody who voted and requested a mail-in ballot.

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We have a list of those whose mail-in ballots were received. We have a list of alphabetized registered voters and a list by their addresses.

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How is it possible that the last two documents, the documents with the master list and the master list by street.

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had all the registered voters, but the poll books didn't. They are drawn from the same data files by the same department. How could one thing be correct and the other not correct?

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There are numbers, tallies at the back of those reports that say.

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There are so many Republicans, so many Democrats, and so many independents. All one would have to have done was to look at one page and look at the poll books to see, you know, we're short about 40 pages in Precinct 530, which would have represented all the independent voters.

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,000
So, how can we correct this? Your time has expired.

712
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Please conclude your remarks.

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,000
We need to

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have double checks. Perhaps when the Joes come to pick up the poll books, the voter services staff that's handing it off to them.

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They sign off together. Yes, that is the correct number of my registered voters. Yes, that has the independent voters. There needs to be another step, and.

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if we'd done something like that.

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01:05:48,000 --> 01:06:00,000
We wouldn't… we would have had a much smoother election. Thank you.

718
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,000
Hello, I'm Paul Salentano.

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from Phoenixville westward to…

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01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,000
Precinct 478, I've been

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an election

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judge for over 26 years. Uh, this document serves as a formal request for corrective action following public statements issued by Chester County Commissioner Josh Maxwell that inaccurately characterized lawful and necessary actions undertaken by the Republican Committee of Chester County in response to the documented irregularities during the November 4.

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2025 election to protect public confidence in the electoral process, we submit the following findings and demands, and I speak on behalf of the Phoenixville Republican Committee, whereas Chester County Voter Services failed to deploy proper poll books on November 4, 2025, resulting in more than 12,000 voters being required to cast provisional ballots, over 1,000 provisional ballot outer envelopes were.

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01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:05,000
discovered unsealed, compromising the ballot security. Such failures by voter services caused voter disenfranchisement before any ballot challenges occurred.

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01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,000
The Republican committee lawfully challenged the compromised ballots as permitted by.

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Pennsylvania election law. Commissioner Maxwell publicly and inaccurately accused the Republican committee of disenfranchising voters.

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Uh, Commissioner Maxwell's statements misrepresented the facts and politicized what should be a nonpartisan issue. And for these 26 years that I was an election judge, I left my politics at the door. We have a sign at the door saying, no electioneering passes .10 feet from the door, and that's what you do.

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The Phoenix Republican Committee has standing in this matter.

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Due to participation in affected precincts and reliance on expert election law guidance, and that would be me, and I was on the ballot, therefore the Phoenixville Republican Committee respectfully demands the following corrective actions.

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public retraction. Commissioner Josh Maxwell shall issue a formal written retraction published on all platforms where the original statements appeared and entered into the public record.

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Public apology.

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Commissioner Maxwell shall issue a formal apology directed to the Republican committee. To me, Paul G. Salantano, voters of Chester County, and all poller workers.

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Including my hardworking crew.

734
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Oversight Commissioners Eric Rowe and Marion Muskovich.

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Along with Solicitor Dolores Troiani shall oversee the creation and enforcement of the retraction and apology.

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:39,000
formal censure. Commissioner Joe and Muskovich shall publicly censure Commissioner Maxwell, enter the censure into public record and issue a press release.

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consequences. Failure to take corrective action will further erode public trust in Chester County's election administration should Commissioner Maxwell refuse to correct the record, resignation or formal removal procedures should be pursued. election integrity.

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Election integrity is fundamental to public trust. Corrective action is necessary to restore transparency, accuracy, and confidence in Chester County's electoral processes. Thank you very much, and I'd like to have this entered into the record. I'll give you hard copies on my way out.

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Okay.

740
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Andrea

741
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Gosselin, Picopson Township.

742
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,000
I observed a small part of the provisional ballot counting process.

743
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
None of the provisional ballots from

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,000
Precinct 061 West Calm 2.

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01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,000
could be countered because there were no outer envelopes.

746
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Only a stack of green privacy envelopes.

747
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,000
There was no way to determine who would cast those ballots.

748
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,000
69 voters were disenfranchised.

749
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:53,000
Because their names were not in the poll books.

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,000
Printing the wrong poll books was not a mere clerical error.

751
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:04,000
This was the equivalent of forgetting to order baseballs for the World Series. Where was the employee training?

752
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,000
Where was the management oversight of new employees?

753
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,000
Where were the quality control procedures to make sure the job was done right?

754
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:19,000
The errors of Election Day were compounded by the Board of Elections voting to count illegal ballots.

755
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,000
In violation of state law.

756
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Counting illegal ballots is not democracy.

757
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,000
There is no justification for ignoring state law.

758
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,000
Not even when the chairman of the Board of Elections is ultimately responsible for the error.

759
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Please do the right thing. Do not certify this election.

760
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Thank you.

761
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Bye.

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01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,000
No

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,000
question.

764
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:56,000
My name is Dolores Triani, I am the solicitor for the Republican Party and proud to be such.

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01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,000
The reason that

766
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:06,000
I was stopped from talking on November 17 was they don't want you to know what actually happened.

767
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,000
The problem is, I have most of it in writing.

768
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:13,000
I don't understand what Karen was saying about.

769
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:21,000
The voting by regular ballot only happened for 10 or 15 minutes. That is just not correct.

770
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,000
I was in constant contact by text message with the Democrat solicitor.

771
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,000
and the county solicitor. All of those doc… all of those text messages.

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:37,000
have a timestamp on them. And I went through, and I have all of those things.

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000
The first initial.

774
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:45,000
advice, I don't even understand. This is from the solicitor, county solicitor.

775
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Full voter export is at the polls, so poll workers can see who is at the precinct.

776
01:11:51,000 --> 01:12:00,000
Poll workers will compare that to the list of issued MIB. If all verified, voter will sign in on the left side of the page.

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:13,000
They should be able to vote regular ballot. Well, your poll worker manual says that before you can vote regular ballot, if you're not in the poll book, but you are on the supplemental list, is that you have to demand.

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:18,000
an ID, a photo ID. I know that there was only one.

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,000
precinct that did that.

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01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,000
So now what's going on?

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01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:28,000
At 7.36, County Solicitor writes, change of plans. Stay tuned.

782
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,000
7.39.

783
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,000
They're going to vote provisionally, okay?

784
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,000
752, me.

785
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:42,000
Voter services needs to communicate to the Joes, because they don't know what you're doing.

786
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,000
She replied, they've done that.

787
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:55,000
803. I'm getting multiple calls from precincts, and the judges do not know, and in fact, the judge in my own precinct doesn't know, but she was smart enough because.

788
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,000
She wasn't a 5-day appointment.

789
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,000
She's been there for a long time, so she knew to go to provisionals.

790
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:06,000
I point out that this is happening in a different response. Where?

791
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:13,000
You don't know! You have had to rely on the evil Republicans to give you this information.

792
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,000
And I did.

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:21,000
809, another call from Avondale. The Joes are calling. The lines are all.

794
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:30,000
are blocked. They're not getting their text messages. And I know that at first text message came out from voter services, I believe it was 7.59.

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01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,000
I didn't bring that with me, I just have a brain like that.

796
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:38,000
Okay, 7.59, thank you. 7.58.

797
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,000
10.35, me.

798
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,000
I'm hearing from different.

799
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:51,000
There's supposed to be precinct, so I left out a word, that they are still allowing people to vote regularly, even though they are not in the poll book.

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,000
Your

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,000
time has

802
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,000
expired, please conclude your remarks. Sure. The

803
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,000
Democrat solicitor stated she was also hearing that.

804
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:04,000
1043, your county solicitor said, that's probably what happened.

805
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,000
You now have direct conflict between what we were just told.

806
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,000
And this is 4 hours into this.

807
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:23,000
process where unverified voters were voting by regular ballot, and I could go on, but you don't want to give me any more time, because you don't want people to know what really happened.

808
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:30,000
I do want…

809
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:36,000
Mm-hmm.

810
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:48,000
asking that you make part of the record a letter that I emailed today. I have copies. This is what's called a preservation of evidence letter. It tells you not to destroy, alter any documents.

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:15:05,000
And it lists the items that I believe will be needed when we have an independent investigation.

812
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:11,000
Steve Brown, I have 2 observations because it wasn't really mentioned in some of the other comments that were made.

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:15,000
First is, uh, the, uh.

814
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,000
review that the lawyers from Westchester are doing for this issue.

815
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Did anybody ask them who they donate to politically? Did anybody ask them.

816
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,000
What party they all belong to?

817
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,000
I just hadn't heard anything, so I don't know, I'm just asking the question.

818
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,000
Um…

819
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,000
What was the second one? It got me so… got me so interested.

820
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,000
I'll

821
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,000
remember it and come back. You have a…

822
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,000
Good morning, my name is Bobby Zurich, and I'm.

823
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,000
a resident owner in East Bradford

824
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
Township. That's where I vote.

825
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,000
And I have, every year since I've been able to.

826
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
Um… I'll be

827
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,000
brief.

828
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,000
Am

829
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,000
I aware of, I'd like to keep things simple.

830
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,000
This fiasco should not have happened in Chester County.

831
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:13,000
But my concern is that we're gonna go long.

832
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,000
As we've done before, over…

833
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,000
things that should have had accountability.

834
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Um, like the millions of dollars that were spent on some fraudulent COVID test.

835
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,000
It happened a few short years ago.

836
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,000
And, um, I don't think we should forget.

837
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,000
We all make mistakes, just doesn't pacify any of us.

838
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,000
There

839
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,000
are systems in place to prevent.

840
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:45,000
Things such as this, I would assume.

841
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,000
This gross error was either.

842
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,000
incompetence or

843
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,000
intentional?

844
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:56,000
There's no other explanation.

845
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:02,000
And in any other world would call for dismissal.

846
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Just like in other businesses out there.

847
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,000
That's what happens in the real world.

848
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,000
Let's

849
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,000
get back to what makes sense.

850
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,000
Let's have voting on 1 day.

851
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,000
in person.

852
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,000
And let's add voter ID.

853
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,000
We already…

854
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Absentee

855
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,000
ballots

856
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,000
already exist.

857
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,000
This other nonsense, provisional, mail-in, all that stuff.

858
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000
It's irrelevant.

859
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:42,000
Uh, it's been made to be important and relevant.

860
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:53,000
But… in the common sense world, it isn't. Thank you.

861
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,000
Uh, hi. Uh, my name's Jim Horgan. I'm a resident

862
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,000
of the United States.

863
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,000
and a citizen of the United States as well.

864
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,000
Uh, I just want to say, I was at the polling location all day.

865
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:13,000
From 6 o'clock or 6.30 to 10 o'clock at night. I'm a Republican committee person in East Marlboro Township.

866
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,000
And people in the polling place couldn't believe this mistake.

867
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,000
They said, it's incredible. It's unbelievable.

868
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,000
My point is, let's say it more directly, it's not believable.

869
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:34,000
So, I just want to say, this vote should not be certified. The same people who oversaw the debacle, or the same people who are overseeing the counting of the votes.

870
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,000
Right, right. That's not appropriate. This cannot be certified.

871
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:45,000
And I have one other comment. I want to know what legal preservation notices were delivered to the officials of voter services.

872
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,000
As well as officials of the Chester County.

873
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:54,000
This is a legal matter, and there should have been preservation notices delivered immediately.

874
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,000
on that date of that debacle.

875
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:02,000
Thank you.

876
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Stephanie O'Brien, Westtown Township.

877
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,000
I've been up here since 2021, 5 years.

878
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,000
And

879
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,000
I'm listening, and here we are again.

880
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,000
2020…

881
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
2020… 2020…

882
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,000
They certified the election with 4,000 more votes.

883
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,000
than voters.

884
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:32,000
Some more data today. 34 precincts have been reconciled after.

885
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,000
Out of 194.

886
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:40,000
75,000 voters were left off the poll box.

887
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,000
Five

888
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
years.

889
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,000
There's people in here…

890
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,000
We will not go away.

891
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,000
We are going to fight.

892
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,000
We have warriors in here, and it's not an R, it's not a D.

893
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:59,000
It's for America.

894
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:06,000
Ms. Moser, you should have when you got hired. I don't know what story they told you. Brian, I'm sorry, and… No, let

895
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:11,000
me talk. Yeah, please direct your comments not to… I'm looking at her.

896
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:16,000
I'm just, I'm just… What would've… what would have been really good?

897
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,000
is you would have met both sides, people had a town hall.

898
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,000
So we could educate, so you would know what's going on. This is a show.

899
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
This is our right.

900
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,000
And I tell this to Josh, I've been on the phone.

901
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:35,000
I've been… I'm an auditor by trait, an IT auditor.

902
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,000
I knew what happened in 2020.

903
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:42,000
Let me tell you, they know, you can, you can put they.

904
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:51,000
They know. So go ahead, certify it. We know you're going to certify it. It's a digger hole you are digging. This is criminal.

905
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,000
It's criminal.

906
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,000
And

907
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,000
we will be lining up.

908
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,000
When

909
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,000
it's time.

910
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,000
The federal government and the people that know, know.

911
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:14,000
We have been telling you this is neglect, it's criminal, what you are doing, and it's amazing how God works and Chester County is on the map.

912
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,000
for 75,000 people that were left off.

913
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,000
it

914
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,000
just is presenting itself.

915
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,000
It's… the spotlight is being shined on.

916
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,000
this county.

917
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,000
It's coming. This isn't going away.

918
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,000
Look

919
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,000
at the people that have been.

920
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,000
Coming to these meetings.

921
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:48,000
figuring out what's going on, get involved, and there's many millions of people across this country working that can't do this, and I am so happy to be a warrior in this fight for my child and my grandchildren.

922
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,000
And I will continue to fight.

923
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:57,000
And let me tell you another thing. I offered to do the audit for free. For free!

924
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:05,000
processes, training, systems. I sent an email to them to say, okay, what's the timeline?

925
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,000
What's the scope?

926
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,000
The law firm is doing… Their time has expired,

927
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,000
please conclude your remarks. The law firm.

928
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,000
I asked for their certification.

929
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,000
No certification, they have no expertise.

930
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,000
This is a dog and pony show, and it should not be.

931
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:31,000
certified today, even though you will, without an investigation that is complete to figure out what went wrong.

932
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,000
Have a town hall.

933
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,000
And present it!

934
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,000
I'll end on this.

935
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
Josh hates this, but I'm saying it.

936
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,000
Because that could be really nasty. I'm Delco.

937
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,000
You're either a puppet.

938
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,000
Or you're dumb!

939
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,000
That's

940
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,000
it!

941
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,000
It's one or the other.

942
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,000
And I don't think you're dumb, Josh, I don't.

943
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,000
I do not.

944
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,000
Somebody, there's pictures.

945
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,000
There's

946
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,000
pictures!

947
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:17,000
is pulling your strings so you can go places and they're telling you what to do. It's just evident, it's evident 5 years.

948
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:25,000
That's it.

949
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,000
Just

950
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,000
remember what I forgot.

951
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,000
75,000 voters disenfranchised.

952
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,000
Independent voters, 12,000 and some odd cents.

953
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,000
voted. Republican and

954
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,000
Democrat voters.

955
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000
50.1%.

956
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Where's… I don't get this. Why do independents not want to vote?

957
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,000
Right? I mean, you didn't disenfranchise anybody, because 12,000.

958
01:23:53,000 --> 01:24:06,000
ballots were counted. I don't know, answer me. Give me a reason to believe you.

959
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,000
Josh, I don't think you're dumb.

960
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,000
I think you're smart. Sorry, could

961
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,000
you state your name and your…

962
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,000
District, please? Sure.

963
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,000
Darren Tucker Wallace.

964
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,000
I think… to show you're not dumb, you're going to

965
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,000
resign after this.

966
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,000
Because someone needs to resign.

967
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,000
That'll

968
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,000
show you have some integrity as a man.

969
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,000
You know, just standing up for this, even though it wasn't your problem and you may not have.

970
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,000
caused it. Sometimes as a man,

971
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,000
that's what you have to do.

972
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,000
Yeah, to take the brunt of it.

973
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,000
And absorb. And then move

974
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,000
on from there.

975
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:46,000
So, what a huge debacle this election was.

976
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,000
talk

977
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,000
about disenfranchising voters.

978
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,000
Wow. Unbelievable.

979
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,000
The

980
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,000
amount of people…

981
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:59,000
that were unable to do what they went there to do.

982
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,000
It's unfathomable.

983
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:08,000
What a huge debacle, what a huge mess. I'm not sure who's in charge of it, but someone needs to resign.

984
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,000
It

985
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,000
doesn't matter who it is, Josh, could be you.

986
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,000
Could be Karen? Someone needs to resign.

987
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,000
represent America here and take responsibility.

988
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,000
It's not hard. It's not hard to do.

989
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,000
You just do it.

990
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,000
Sorry, Josh, but you just do it.

991
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:30,000
So, there needs to be a federal election.

992
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,000
an audit of this. This is a huge deposit.

993
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,000
I mean, who will forget all those books?

994
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,000
We won't forget all those books.

995
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,000
hypothetical.

996
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Who would forget all those books?

997
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,000
We need to simplify the elections, get rid of all this stuff.

998
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,000
The government here is getting bigger.

999
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,000
And it's getting less efficient, obviously.

1000
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,000
It doesn't take a break, you know, a brain surgeon to see this.

1001
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:01,000
There's a lot of rot, apparently, and it needs to be basically, you know.

1002
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,000
refurbished with new people.

1003
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,000
Because

1004
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,000
this isn't working.

1005
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,000
In 2020, there was a huge mess, and then there was a huge mess at the prison.

1006
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,000
The same day your friend was hired over there.

1007
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,000
Now, you know, look, that's problem after problem right there, Josh, so…

1008
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:22,000
I mean, if I were you, that's what I would do.

1009
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,000
So

1010
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,000
there needs to be a federal investigation.

1011
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,000
Okay, but there's no two ways about it.

1012
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,000
Has to happen and you can't certify the election, obviously, that makes.

1013
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,000
That doesn't make sense to certify, obviously.

1014
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,000
Um…

1015
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,000
So it needs to be in day, you know, to simplify all this, let's make it.

1016
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,000
One-day voting, in person.

1017
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,000
Voter ID, no electronics.

1018
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,000
Smaller precincts.

1019
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,000
Towned same day.

1020
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,000
Don't forget voter ID.

1021
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,000
And

1022
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,000
then, to simplify.

1023
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,000
You know, the, um…

1024
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:10,000
The in-group, basically counting the problem that they may have made. Your time has

1025
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,000
expired. Please conclude your remarks.

1026
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,000
independent group, nonpartisan group.

1027
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000
not affiliated with Chester County to.

1028
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,000
certify the elections. That's the only way to do it.

1029
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:25,000
the efficiency has gone down the tubes, and something needs to happen about it.

1030
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,000
A

1031
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,000
big change is to happen, Josh. Big one.

1032
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:38,000
Thank you very much, have a great day.

1033
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000
Thank you.

1034
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:46,000
Carol Campani, Westchester Borough. We are a nation under God.

1035
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,000
And

1036
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,000
we have a problem.

1037
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,000
And it's a lot bigger than this fiasco election.

1038
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:57,000
How do we know how to fix the problem if it hasn't been investigated yet?

1039
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,000
It's like putting the cart before the horse.

1040
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,000
And that's a problem.

1041
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,000
I want to talk a little bit about Facebook, because I've seen some posts.

1042
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:13,000
I've witnessed a lack of judgment in Commissioner Maxwell on his public Facebook post.

1043
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:17,000
Asking for the safety of Representative Houlihan.

1044
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:30,000
Regarding her lack of judgment, making a professional TikTok, telling military personnel not to follow the orders of our commander-in-chief.

1045
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:37,000
It was professionally done, which means the money to make it was tracked.

1046
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,000
Tesaurus-funded.

1047
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,000
Dirty money.

1048
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:46,000
The government has tracked this valid information.

1049
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:50,000
Truly, a lack of judgment.

1050
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:56,000
On your part for supporting her treasonous words.

1051
01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:05,000
The lack of judgment makes me wonder what.

1052
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,000
other lack of judgment you have made!

1053
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,000
Did anyone in county leadership have to answer for that mistake?

1054
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,000
No! Not that we're aware of.

1055
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:20,000
No consequence for this grievous error.

1056
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,000
In this election, yourself.

1057
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:27,000
and Marion Moskowitz decided to count illegal ballots.

1058
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:33,000
Because you didn't want to hurt the feelings of your constituents.

1059
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:39,000
We are not all of your constituents. At least that's not the way you behave.

1060
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,000
Your lack of judgment is being examined.

1061
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,000
nationwide.

1062
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:50,000
It is called election integrity.

1063
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,000
But you don't seem to understand.

1064
01:29:53,000 --> 01:30:01,000
My friend warned me not to say this. Don't lower yourself, Carol. Keep it professional. But this.

1065
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,000
is a show.

1066
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,000
It's poop!

1067
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:11,000
It's like a large pile of elevated dung in the room.

1068
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:16,000
But you won't vote to certify this election.

1069
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
Because,

1070
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,000
in the end.

1071
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:30,000
When you did not remove the man who called fascist at an innocent woman during public comment, you clearly lacked judgment.

1072
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,000
You do not represent all of your constituents.

1073
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:40,000
You both, you and Marion, lack the leadership skills to be our Chester County Commissioners.

1074
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:49,000
We know Shapiro, Houlihan… Your time has expired. …are being influenced by dark.

1075
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,000
forces! It is not a.

1076
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:57,000
I walk, and we will not forget.

1077
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,000
competence or intentional?

1078
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:10,000
We will not forget.

1079
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:15,000
Hi, my name is Kathy Ingham. I'm in East Spikeland Township, uh.

1080
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,000
precinct, uh,

1081
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,000
East Pikelan 2, Republican Committee.

1082
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,000
I was a poll watcher that day, I did witness what all went on.

1083
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:32,000
But I… and I don't really need to reiterate everything that was said. I do want to bring up one thing for your consideration.

1084
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:37,000
I was very troubled when our governor.

1085
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:53,000
changed the law to allow automatic voter registration with our every time you file to get your driver's license. We have a lot of non-citizens in our community, in our county, and in our state.

1086
01:31:53,000 --> 01:32:02,000
And I think that's something you should be considering when you're looking at this investigation. And I understand today.

1087
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:13,000
Pennsylvania officials reportedly admitted that for decades the Department of Motor Vehicles has allowed non-U.S. citizens to register to vote through the state's motor vehicle system.

1088
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:18,000
And judicial Watch announced today that it filed an amica brief.

1089
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:36,000
to have this looked at by the Supreme Court. We really… that's a right to U.S. citizens. That's totally degrading our election and diminishing our vote for citizens. So, um, I'm asking you, I mean, the only…

1090
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:44,000
kind of saving grace is, I don't think too many were showing up at the polls because they're afraid of ice right now, but…

1091
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:55,000
Um, so I'm just… I'm just going to ask you to consider that, and how do you rectify that in our community? And the only way to do that is.

1092
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:06,000
turn over the verda rolls so that we know who's actually a U.S. citizen.

1093
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:13,000
My, uh, second time, I introduced myself before Jim Horgan. I just want to say, I just want to reiterate.

1094
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:18,000
This mistake, for anyone who works in the private business world, does anything… I'm

1095
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,000
sorry, you've already commented, you can comment again during the general comment period.

1096
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,000
Okay. Thank you. Okay.

1097
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,000
Thank you.

1098
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:30,000
Unbelievable. Not believable at all. In competency? No. Not believable.

1099
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,000
There will be another public comment period

1100
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:38,000
in person at the end of the meeting.

1101
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:44,000
Is there anyone else in person, uh, who has not given public comment today that would like to?

1102
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,000
I think you… Well, there are public comment be

1103
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:48,000
allowed to

1104
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,000
be made after the vote, or before the vote? This is

1105
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:56,000
the public comment before the vote, then there'll be a public comment after the vote.

1106
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,000
Uh,

1107
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,000
and he wants it in person?

1108
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,000
Ms. Moser, can you check online for us?

1109
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:01,000
We

1110
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:02,000
currently have

1111
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,000
one hand raised on the line, um…

1112
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,000
from… let me see, John McGeorge, I will…

1113
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,000
Allow you to speak now?

1114
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,000
Okay, you can unmute yourself.

1115
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:22,000
Right, um… So, as you said, my name's John McGeorge, Chester County.

1116
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:32,000
I helped with a poll at Hershey's Mill. And I say help because I wasn't paid, which has never happened to me on an election day.

1117
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:37,000
At any rate, I witness people get turned away for being independents, also.

1118
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:43,000
I learned from a friend in Phoenixville. that Republicans were being turned away.

1119
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:50,000
So, basically, they're… disenfranchisement.

1120
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:56,000
And… manipulation of the books for whatever's necessary for the powers of the.

1121
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:10,000
B, get the results they wanted. So, for those and other reasons stated, I hope that this election will not be certified. Thank you.

1122
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:29,000
We have Kent King, you can unmute yourself and share.

1123
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:37,000
You can unmute yourself.

1124
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,000
Yes, we can hear you.

1125
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:43,000
I'm sorry, can you hear me now? Okay, sorry. Hi, I'm, uh, Kent Kenyan, I'm from East Whiteland.

1126
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:49,000
And I think we can all agree that this poll book printing issue created a real problem for this election.

1127
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:53,000
And I hope that everybody wishes that it didn't happen.

1128
01:35:53,000 --> 01:36:02,000
Unfortunately, it did happen. And once the problem was identified, it seems like voter services did everything possible to allow voters to vote.

1129
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:08,000
And let their voices be heard. voters and votes were checked to make sure that they were eligible.

1130
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:12,000
While voters were inconvenienced, they were still allowed to vote.

1131
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:16,000
Well, this election was unique and problematic, I don't see.

1132
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,000
hugely material issues that would cause the election to not be certified.

1133
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,000
In the overall scheme of things, the issues were still relatively immaterial.

1134
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,000
This seems to be a case of the tail wagging the dog.

1135
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:32,000
And let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Sorry to use some analogies there.

1136
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:38,000
But I think not certifying this election would disenfranchise over 100,000 voters.

1137
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,000
And that, I think, would be a real shame to democracy.

1138
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:48,000
Thank you, Voter Services, and thank you, County Commissioners.

1139
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,000
I see no other hands raised online.

1140
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:52,000
Thank you,

1141
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:58,000
Ms. Moser. Uh, that concludes public comment on today's agenda. Can I have a motion to adopt today's agenda?

1142
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,000
Why

1143
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,000
don't we… sir, why don't we… yeah.

1144
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,000
Sure, sure. We can't answer questions, but you…

1145
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,000
Oh, this is a rhetorical, it's going to be rhetorical.

1146
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,000
No, not at all. Uh, it's not a problem.

1147
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,000
Rich Cordes. Sir, do

1148
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,000
you mind one second while

1149
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,000
we mute the, uh… Sure.

1150
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,000
That's fine.

1151
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:22,000
Go ahead, sir. My one rhetorical question would be, if you had disenfranchised, um.

1152
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:33,000
the people, the Democratics and Democratics are in the audience. Would the Democrats and would be upset, and would the commissioners certify the election?

1153
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:40,000
If you knocked off and disenfranchised all the Democratics in the county.

1154
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,000
That's my own rhetorical question, thank you.

1155
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,000
Speed your name.

1156
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,000
Oh, uh, excuse me, sir, thank you

1157
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:52,000
for your public comment, but we missed your name. Do you mind just saying your name for the record?

1158
01:37:52,000 --> 01:38:01,000
Thank you, Mr. Cordes. Uh, that concludes public comment. On today's agenda, can I have a motion to adopt today's agenda? So moved.

1159
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:06,000
Sir, second? Thank you, Commissioner Moskowitz. Uh, any discussion?

1160
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:10,000
All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1161
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:17,000
Okay, none motion passes. No old business, new business. We have one thing on the agenda, BOE0925, and that's certification, the number.

1162
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:20,000
November 4, 2025 municipal general election.

1163
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:25,000
Um, is someone going to speak to this?

1164
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:29,000
Yeah, why don't you… you want Karen to do it, or do you want to do it?

1165
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:32,000
I would like you to.

1166
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,000
I think this deserves some extra…

1167
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:44,000
consideration.

1168
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:50,000
Good morning, Commissioners. I don't have the resolution in front of me, but before you is a resolution asking you to certify the.

1169
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,000
results of the

1170
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,000
2025 municipal general election.

1171
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,000
Okay.

1172
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,000
Uh, any…

1173
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,000
Uh,

1174
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:07,000
the, um, can you just give some background on the legal.

1175
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:12,000
What the state requires of us as a Board of Elections, and where we are in the process.

1176
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,000
Sure, Commissioner. Colleen, could you

1177
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,000
please introduce yourself for the record?

1178
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,000
Sure,

1179
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,000
Colleen Friends, Council Solicitor. Um…

1180
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,000
West

1181
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,000
Ocean? I…

1182
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:33,000
Um, so, uh, the Board of Elections has a mandatory duty to certify the election results, um, under Pennsylvania law. This is not a discretionary duty.

1183
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:38,000
And there are two defined circumstances in the election code under.

1184
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:48,000
Which, uh, a Board of Elections may not certify. One of them is if there is a lawful recount or re-canvas petition filed in accordance.

1185
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:53,000
with the election code, um, and this board has, um.

1186
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:59,000
proceeded conservatively. I think in the past, when there have been recount petitions, for example, in the.

1187
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:13,000
2025 general election, there was a recount petition filed, and although, um, the board argued that it was not filed in accordance with the act, nevertheless, the board decided to certify everything else but.

1188
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:29,000
Um, that election, neither of you were on the Board of Elections at the time you were all running for election, but the board that was present did that. Um, the board has done that in the past, uh, when there have been, uh, recount petitions filed. Uh, the other narrow circumstance is.

1189
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,000
Um, because we all know, the election code is.

1190
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:37,000
was written in 1937, so it's a… it's very wordy, but generally.

1191
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:46,000
Uh, to paraphrase it, it's when there are more votes than voters in any precinct or in the county, and we don't have that here.

1192
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:54,000
Um, and although this election was unusual, it was extraordinary, which is a word we use a lot.

1193
01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:06,000
two weeks ago, um, they don't supply a lawful basis to not certify the election. While the poll book omission was unprecedented and required extensive research.

1194
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:12,000
by voter services staff, and we had a hearing on, um, about 1,100, 1,200 ballots.

1195
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:19,000
Um, the provisional ballot process functioned as a fail-safe that's built into the law to ensure that every eligible voter.

1196
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:28,000
who cast a ballot could vote. Um, and the statutory certification analysis remains unchanged. Pennsylvania law requires the board.

1197
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:38,000
to vote to certify this election because the circumstances that are in the election code for not certifying are not present, despite what happened on election day.

1198
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,000
Thank you, Solicitor. Um…

1199
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,000
Any, um…

1200
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,000
We'd like to… Hey,

1201
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,000
friends!

1202
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:49,000
Friends.

1203
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,000
friends, let's have a healthy discussion.

1204
01:41:51,000 --> 01:42:00,000
Um… and I would appreciate, um, if we can just keep track of our language, if… and that's a request, not a…

1205
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,000
I'd just be appreciative.

1206
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,000
Um, Commissioner Rowe, do you have something you'd like to add?

1207
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:06,000
I

1208
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:07,000
have no questions for the sister.

1209
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,000
Thank you, sir.

1210
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,000
Kind of a motion to certify the municipal.

1211
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,000
20… November 4, 2025 election.

1212
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:20,000
I second any discussion? Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1213
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,000
My

1214
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,000
fellow Chester County residents.

1215
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:29,000
My confidence in the administration of the elections in Chester County is shaken.

1216
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,000
I'm

1217
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,000
not alone in that.

1218
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,000
Three weeks ago, we held hearings.

1219
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,000
For hours, it was one of the longest days we've had.

1220
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,000
since I got elected. And I listened intently.

1221
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:47,000
to the dozens and dozens of stories that voters presented.

1222
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:54,000
Voters, judges of elections, and other people who share their experiences from Tuesday, November 4th.

1223
01:42:54,000 --> 01:43:03,000
And because you pay my salary, I have a duty to listen to the words that you say, and take those stories to heart.

1224
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:08,000
I'm not disputing that the winners from this election won.

1225
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:13,000
I'm not sure. I'm gonna presume that, in fact, they did.

1226
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:18,000
But what I'm certifying here today is that the results are accurate.

1227
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,000
And I can't say for sure.

1228
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,000
I'm not implying that anything nefarious happened.

1229
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:31,000
I'm not implying that there was intentional malfeasance. There's an investigation that we'll look into that, and I've been promised.

1230
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,000
that that will be looked into.

1231
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:44,000
I'm simply saying that in chaos and in disorder, with rapidly changing rules and directives, it's too difficult for me, Eric Rowe.

1232
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:50,000
to be confident in the accuracy of our tabulations.

1233
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:57,000
Voter services and the election workers, I think, did their best in a tough situation when it was revealed.

1234
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:03,000
that we had a huge mistake on our hands. I think they acted in good faith.

1235
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:09,000
Once they learned of the situation, they did their very best to mitigate it. I'm not questioning any of that.

1236
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:14,000
But I've heard so many stories that I can't overlook, I just can't.

1237
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:20,000
examples of people not having enough provisional ballots to vote with at their precincts.

1238
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:25,000
Some people being mistakenly told that they didn't need a secrecy envelope.

1239
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:32,000
Many voters not being told that if they vote provisional, it'll still count.

1240
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:40,000
Voters who got conflicting information from various places, not necessarily from county government, and then they gave up.

1241
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:51,000
Voters who refused to feel like second-class citizens and would not vote with a provisional ballot, and so they walked away instead. I had a lady in West Bradford Township.

1242
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:57,000
who called me up, and she said, Eric, I am not a second-class citizen. I should not have to vote.

1243
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:04,000
with a provisional ballot. I am not voting until those supplemental poll books show up at the precinct.

1244
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:10,000
You better personally phone me up and tell me when that supplemental poll book arrives.

1245
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:17,000
And so I did. I've heard stories of places in New Garden Township and Coatesville.

1246
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:25,000
Where scores of voters were disenfranchised because in those precincts, the rules were not followed, and therefore.

1247
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:29,000
Those voters' votes will not count at all.

1248
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,000
If a voter wanted to vote, but didn't.

1249
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,000
Can we truly call this an accurate.

1250
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:41,000
measure of the votes from November 4th. I don't think we can.

1251
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:52,000
It has been argued that a lack of confidence in the process is not enough to vote against the certification of the issue… of the votes as they were tabulated, but I beg to differ.

1252
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,000
This

1253
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,000
certification.

1254
01:45:54,000 --> 01:46:03,000
is coming before elected officials, and it's for a reason, because that's because a certain level of discretion is, in fact, needed here.

1255
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:14,000
If it didn't require discretion, it wouldn't come before elected officials. This certification could just be done by the Voter Services Department and handed directly to Harrisburg.

1256
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:22,000
There is a reason that this stuff comes before the Board of Elections, and it's because there is certain discretion that needs to be used.

1257
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,000
And that discretion, in my opinion, must involve a confidence.

1258
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:32,000
in the results as they're presented on this sheet of paper.

1259
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,000
Best

1260
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:46,000
practices were not always followed on election day, nor were they followed uniformly. It depended on which precinct you were voting at to determine which rules you had to follow, or which way you were going to vote that day.

1261
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:52,000
And you heard the Voter Services Director herself tell you that in almost 50 contests.

1262
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:56,000
There were decided by just one vote.

1263
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:03,000
How can I sit here and tell you that I'm confident in the accuracy of the winners of these elections.

1264
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:09,000
If some of them were decided by so few votes.

1265
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:16,000
I've got this resolution in front of me. Part of it, I'll read, it says, Whereas, in accordance with the requirements of 20 PS section.

1266
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:25,000
2642K, the Pennsylvania Election Code, the Chester County Board of Elections has determined that it's now appropriate.

1267
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:33,000
to certify the official results of the computation of the November 4, 2025 municipal general election.

1268
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000
appropriate.

1269
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:39,000
Is it truly appropriate for us to certify.

1270
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:53,000
these election… this municipal election without the results, the thorough results of the investigation that we were trying to complete, we don't have those results yet.

1271
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:54,000
I

1272
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:58,000
love that. The people of Chester County, hear me and hear me now.

1273
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:02,000
I have to put my head on the pillow tonight when I lay down to sleep.

1274
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:07,000
And when I do, I must have a clean conscience.

1275
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:24,000
And if I vote today to certify with my own signature that the election results on this sheet of paper are an accurate reflection of the votes of valid votes cast on Tuesday, November 4th, I will not be able to keep that clean conscience.

1276
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:29,000
Because I lack the confidence I need to cast an affirmative vote.

1277
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:35,000
A wise man once said that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

1278
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:39,000
And he was right. So I'm here to tell you this.

1279
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:44,000
Inaccurate election results that disenfranchise thousands of voters.

1280
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:49,000
anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.

1281
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:54,000
Graphics.

1282
01:48:54,000 --> 01:49:02,000
And I will be voting accordingly. Thank you.

1283
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:09,000
Okay.

1284
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:14,000
I want to just start by saying thank you to everyone who came to this meeting today.

1285
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:21,000
Uh, some of you, I'm not going to call out names because I don't think it's appropriate, have been spending a lot of time with us over the last few years, and.

1286
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:26,000
watching the elections, watching this government, uh, getting to know the staff.

1287
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:32,000
Um, and I don't think we appreciate or show appreciation enough for the people that come and pay attention to municipal government.

1288
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:39,000
as much. We hear a lot of discussion news about the federal and state government, but we think here in the county, we do a lot of things.

1289
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:44,000
To the degree you're willing to take time out of your day to share how you feel with us.

1290
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,000
Share your disagreements or agreements with us.

1291
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:50,000
I think is, uh, worthy of, um…

1292
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,000
worthy of appreciation.

1293
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:56,000
And it shows something about everyone's character in this room that you're willing to.

1294
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:00,000
dedicate something precious like your time to.

1295
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,000
participate in local governments.

1296
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:08,000
I want to share, you know, these things are generally very formal, and my job is to try and keep decorum, I think.

1297
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:12,000
To the best I can, and try to be friendly and encourage.

1298
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,000
The healthy communication.

1299
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:18,000
Um, and that's important to me. Um…

1300
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:23,000
I think it's also important, um, as Usman mentioned, the buck should stop at the chair of the board, although I don't have.

1301
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:34,000
It's a three-member board, three votes, um, all the power in the world. It's not like being governor or a mayor or a president. Uh, certainly not like that at all. We all have access to everything this government does.

1302
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:50,000
The buck does stop, needs to stop somewhere, and I remember you mentioned Warden Holland, former police chief Holland, someone I hold in great dear respect, who's helped turning around that prison, and some of you have spent time with our prison.

1303
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:59,000
Standing in front of people who had a legitimate reason to be extraordinarily angry at this county government when someone escaped from that prison and having to apologize in front of people and let them know that.

1304
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,000
a mistake had happened, and the bug stops with me. That is true here, too.

1305
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,000
I am sad.

1306
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:14,000
I am disappointed. I am, uh, at times on election day, I'm embarrassed to say I was angry.

1307
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:21,000
Um, I shared… I showed my frustration on my face and in my words in front of staff, and I shouldn't.

1308
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:30,000
I was disappointed in the way this had happened, and I'm embarrassed to say that I was even worried on how it might reflect on me.

1309
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,000
And

1310
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,000
so…

1311
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,000
Please let me finish. We allow…

1312
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:42,000
Excuse me, ma'am, without Commissioner Rowe, uh, his time… Let's let him finish.

1313
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:49,000
The buck stops with me? Can I please, ma'am, can I finish my comments?

1314
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,000
Can I finish my comments?

1315
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,000
Thank

1316
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
you very much, ma'am.

1317
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,000
Uh,

1318
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,000
Dolores and Rafi.

1319
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:04,000
Um, you know, I posted something on Facebook about asking you guys to stop the petition.

1320
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,000
uh, challenging the balance.

1321
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,000
Um, I was angry when I did that.

1322
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:17,000
I was angry because, Mr. Chairman, when we had breakfast about a year ago, a year and a half ago, I reached out to you, I said, hey, if you have something, you can reach out to me directly.

1323
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:25,000
We met at Nunes, we had a great conversation about music, your kids' excellent guitar playing, and we talked about Mt. Joy and shared music.

1324
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:31,000
And I said, if you have something, you can reach out to me. I'll meet with the Republican committee. I'd meet with the Democratic committee, they don't invite me, but I'd come.

1325
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:39,000
I also said that what's really important to me is that you direct your attention at me. I happen to be a Democrat. I was independent before.

1326
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:49,000
I registered as a Democrat because the town council in downtown Borough is Republican, and they said they were all full on seats. You'd have to pick a different party, and that's why I ended up a Democrat, not political family at all.

1327
01:52:49,000 --> 01:53:03,000
And I said, just please keep your attention on me and not on the staff. These are bureaucrats who are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. It doesn't really matter, they just work here and then they go home to their kids. And the letter you guys sent included names of some of the staff.

1328
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:11,000
And I was so angry that you didn't just point your attention at me, you pointed the attention to the people who work here who rely on their paychecks.

1329
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:17,000
And I reacted by saying… I saw the memes about me and all the things on the social media part, and I said, you know what?

1330
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:22,000
I don't like this anymore, and I had breakfast with the chairman, and I said, please don't do that.

1331
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,000
up all your side, so please don't do that.

1332
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:36,000
So I did ask for people to email you to get to withdraw your positions. I'm sorry that I reacted on Facebook in anger to that. I don't think it was above and beyond the treatment that I've gotten, and the staff here has gotten.

1333
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:41,000
Uh, for folks in this room. There isn't… anybody in this room that I haven't gone out of my way to show respect for.

1334
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:45,000
And be kind to. And that's a very, very important to me as a man of faith.

1335
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,000
And as a man who.

1336
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:52,000
uh, really is interested in getting feedback from all members of the community.

1337
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:58,000
Ms. O'Brien, we sat on the phone for 45 minutes, I think, maybe less than 45 minutes, maybe close to a half hour, and I heard everything you said to me.

1338
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,000
There she is in the back. You gave me a little thing of Jesus.

1339
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:07,000
that's in my kids, uh, my 2-year-old's nursery right now.

1340
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,000
I think it's important right now.

1341
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,000
That

1342
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,000
we hear each other and respect each other.

1343
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:20,000
And I'm sorry I'm gonna, uh, disappoint a lot of people by voting certify the election, but I don't want you to hear that I don't respect or don't consider what you think.

1344
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,000
And…

1345
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:29,000
And I want to… in addition to extending my apologies to Dolores and the Chairman, and explaining publicly why.

1346
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:37,000
I was angry. I would like to reiterate, in your communications, please keep the focus on me and not on staff. It's a request. Obviously, you can do whatever you want.

1347
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:42,000
I also apologize to the independent voters here in Chesa County, and the Republicans and Democrats who had vote provisionally.

1348
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,000
You were disenfranchised in a way that you should not have been.

1349
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,000
And it's up to me to apologize to all of you. And the same way I did.

1350
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,000
Uh, in Picopson Township.

1351
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:57,000
We're going to invest and do everything we possibly can to make the changes that we need to turn this around.

1352
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:02,000
And if you want to participate or be part of that conversation, I welcome it.

1353
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:06,000
I welcome it, right? I come from a town that.

1354
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:07,000
It

1355
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,000
is as purple as it gets.

1356
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:12,000
It just is… I just never consider politics.

1357
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
At all, ever.

1358
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,000
Uh, my best friend probably will never vote for me.

1359
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:22,000
has a… make America great. Again, Hatties, so please use the best man at my wedding.

1360
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:30,000
It does… let's just focus on what we can do here in Chester County to make our government and our community safer and better.

1361
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,000
And you'll never hear from me.

1362
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,000
Any anger about any Republican.

1363
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:45,000
or any person here in this government. I think it's important that we protect these folks and we empower them to make the best decisions possible. So, Dolores, Raffi, Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry.

1364
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:55,000
And she got all the independents in this county, the people with disenfranchised. I am extraordinarily sorry. No, that is my commitment and this government's commitment to earn your trust and to make it up to you.

1365
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:58,000
Can I have a motion to certify the election?

1366
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:04,000
We got what? Oh, there is a motion and a second, Commissioner Rowe. Thank you so much.

1367
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,000
All in favor, please say aye. Aye.

1368
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:13,000
I was opposed? No. Thank you so very much.

1369
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:23,000
that Resolution BOE0925, uh, has passed. Up next, we have public comment. This is open public comment on, uh, not just agenda items.

1370
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Uh,

1371
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:27,000
sir, you're up. New London Township.

1372
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:32,000
I just want to say, with 50 races decided I want to vote.

1373
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:36,000
Having one voter disenfranchised nullifies an election.

1374
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,000
And

1375
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,000
you just certified.

1376
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:43,000
You're sort of like an election! That wasn't create a hair!

1377
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:49,000
That did not include everybody who wanted to vote! And 50 other children of the races!

1378
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:52,000
We're settled! I won! Whoa!

1379
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:59,000
Have you seen every piece of documentation that you all have in looter services.

1380
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:10,000
and ignorant, because I demand that the hurdle current goes in and looks at what you did. There's no such thing as an independent investigation coming out of Westchester, three doors.

1381
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:20,000
This is ridiculous! The fact that the solicitor said you got to certify!

1382
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:29,000
to go out on a win and say, I'm not gonna do what I know who is right! You know as well as I know, and.

1383
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:36,000
You have to go like that!

1384
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,000
Just

1385
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,000
a call!

1386
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:48,000
It's ridiculous! And I'll be honest with you! And you should resign! That kid should resign! That kid should resign!

1387
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:57,000
He's the only one that called me back! And let me know what I thought! And I told him! And he already said to him!

1388
01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:07,000
And I'll say that a lot of you are honking! I don't want to get Democrat!

1389
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:10,000
2003, my sacred light!

1390
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:19,000
And you're not gonna kill yourself!

1391
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:23,000
Sandy Berman, Chester County.

1392
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,000
Sandy,

1393
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:30,000
we lost the, uh, lights there, so she's just gonna put them back up, and then make sure that we, uh…

1394
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,000
Okay, thank you.

1395
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,000
Thank you, Ms. Bowman. Sandy Bowman, Chester County. And

1396
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:44,000
I would just like to say the gentleman that spoke before me reminds me of the television show, or movie, whatever it was, where the man was screaming.

1397
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:48,000
I'm mad as and I'm not gonna take it anymore.

1398
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,000
So, with that in mind.

1399
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:55,000
Every single person who feels that their civil rights.

1400
01:58:55,000 --> 01:59:00,000
have been violated by this election can file a complaint.

1401
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:04,000
With the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division.

1402
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:05,000
I

1403
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:10,000
did that. Um, in 2022.

1404
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:16,000
Our Board of Elections certified an election with outstanding petitions for recount.

1405
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:36,000
There was no human error in that election, so they can't use that as a reason for breaking the law. And Commissioner Roe, if you would do me a favor and read, not right now, but read to everybody what that certification says, because I believe it says you can't certify when there are outstanding petitions.

1406
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:43,000
Commissioner Maxwell, unfortunately, your bias shows all the time. When people come up here and make comments.

1407
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:48,000
And there are comments coming back from the people sitting in these chairs.

1408
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:55,000
It depends on who's standing at this podium, whether or not you will shut it down.

1409
01:59:55,000 --> 02:00:01,000
So we had someone here at a commissioner meeting earlier this year who was called a fascist, not once.

1410
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:10,000
But twice. You did not intervene until the RCCC solicitor said something.

1411
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,000
That's disturbing.

1412
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:17,000
You showed your bias when you predetermined.

1413
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:22,000
how you were going to vote before the hearing was held.

1414
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:28,000
You took responsibility for the protonatory being left off the ballot in the primary.

1415
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:32,000
You took responsibility for the poll worker error.

1416
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:37,000
I can't remember. Did you take responsibility for the prison outbreaks?

1417
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,000
Sincere responsibility.

1418
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:42,000
could be followed up.

1419
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:44,000
With your resignation.

1420
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:49,000
And once again, if you think Chester County.

1421
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:52,000
is not on the radar of the Department of Justice.

1422
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:58,000
Think again.

1423
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,000
Again,

1424
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:01,000
my name is Deanna Wang.

1425
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:04,000
I wanted to, uh, speak to, uh.

1426
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:08,000
Uh, kudos to, uh, Mr. Eric Rowe for your courage to stand up.

1427
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:18,000
to the truth. And if, uh, Mr. Maxwell claimed to be, uh, man of face, and I believe your justice day will come.

1428
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:28,000
Because you know that this election, with so many irregularities, should not be certified, is illegal to certify it, and you do it anyway.

1429
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:46,000
So my following comments is I wanted to be clear, my comments is not directly to the lady there as our Chief Experience Officer. My comments will go directly to the leadership, the commissioners, as you requested, when you decided to create such position.

1430
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:59,000
was our taxpayers' dollars, with intention to improve our experience with Chester County government. Do you mind wanted to ask everybody here, what is our experience now.

1431
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:05,000
With your leadership, with the government, is that experience improved or worsened?

1432
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:11,000
I feel that I'd be cheated by that money spent.

1433
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:22,000
for that position, for that role, and I demand on reimbursement of my money.

1434
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:31,000
Uh, Jim Horton here again. Didn't get to speak a second time before, but I just want to say, you know, anyone who has worked in private industry, private business.

1435
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:33,000
And within systems.

1436
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:42,000
We'll tell you, this is just not a believable mistake. It's just not believable that books could be printed, information could be sent to printers.

1437
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:47,000
Lacking so many voters for Election Day. And not only that, but have the books.

1438
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:53,000
Return back to voter services, and no one checks and finds that voters are missing from the books.

1439
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:58,000
It's just not believable. So, I have a request for the investigation that's.

1440
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,000
to go on, or is going on.

1441
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:03,000
Would you please add some.

1442
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:12,000
private citizens to the investigative process. We have a young lady here who seems to suggest that she's very much.

1443
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:15,000
knowledgeable on systematic systems.

1444
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:20,000
Okay, but would you please add some independent.

1445
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:25,000
voters to the investigative process of this debacle.

1446
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:28,000
And I just want to make one other comment. We have.

1447
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:33,000
The most highly visible elected official of Chester County.

1448
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:35,000
who serves in our U.S. Congress, Miss…

1449
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:42,000
Chrissy Houlihan has the time to go out and make silly videos suggesting or.

1450
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:45,000
implying that our military should.

1451
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:52,000
act mutinous, or whatever, and disregard orders from the commander-in-chief of our country, our president, President Trump.

1452
02:03:52,000 --> 02:04:05,000
She has time to do that, but as far as I know, she has not made one public comment about this debacle of the Chester County voting system. I know that she also includes the part, a small part of Berks County in her district.

1453
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:13,000
But Chester County is included totally within her district, and as far as I know, she has not made one public comment on this issue.

1454
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:17,000
Thank you.

1455
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:23,000
Hi, I'm Paul G. Salentano of Phoenixville, and regarding the formal demand for the.

1456
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:29,000
Retraction and apology by Chester County Commissioner Josh Maxwell, and the censure of Chester County.

1457
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:37,000
Commissioner Josh Maxwell. I have the following to say.

1458
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:47,000
My symptoms.

1459
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:55,000
Yes.

1460
02:04:55,000 --> 02:05:00,000
In the interest of time, I will yield the remainder of my time.

1461
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,000
But not without mentioning, in the immortal words of Gomer Piles, Sergeant Carter.

1462
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:12,000
I can't hear you.

1463
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:17,000
Hello, Michael Taylor, Euclin Township.

1464
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:20,000
I used to come down here and talk quite often, but it's been a

1465
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:26,000
few years, and uh… but with this past election, I felt like I had to come down here and address two.

1466
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:29,000
main issues now that the election has been certified.

1467
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:35,000
One, I'm Polar, I'm a committee person, and I was… I work very well with my Joe.

1468
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:44,000
And I was flabbergasted to find out that people were being asked to sign a poll book without having any signature verification.

1469
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:50,000
Or any sort of confirmation with the mail-in ballot and things of that nature. We all know.

1470
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:55,000
We are, I should say, we should all know that if there's any question on.

1471
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:59,000
a ballot, or a person's right to vote, it is a provisional ballot.

1472
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:03,000
I think we all know that now. Let's never do that again.

1473
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:04,000
The

1474
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:07,000
second issue to Mr. Maxwell.

1475
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:16,000
I just wanted to say, I was most upset by the post you put out on Friday before.

1476
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:23,000
the hearing. You took an oath to be impartial. You're the Board of Elections, you have a judicial function.

1477
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:26,000
But you made quite clear what your opinions were.

1478
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:29,000
Prior to hearing any evidence.

1479
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:35,000
That cannot happen. You have to be impartial. I'm assuming you signed your oath and it's filed in the county.

1480
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:36,000
Um,

1481
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,000
Worcester County.

1482
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,000
We can do much, much better than this.

1483
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:42,000
We

1484
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:43,000
know what we're doing.

1485
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:50,000
And I just want to read a quote here, and Ms. Friends, I think you'll know exactly where I'm going with this.

1486
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:54,000
I read this quite often, and it's from.

1487
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:58,000
Book 6 of the Iliad.

1488
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:03,000
Where Diomedes comes down before the gates of Troy and comes across Glaucus.

1489
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:07,000
And Diomedes asks, who is this guy? And he.

1490
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:09,000
Glock his response.

1491
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:12,000
Hippocalis begat me.

1492
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:14,000
I claim to be his son.

1493
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:17,000
And he sent me to Troy with strict instructions.

1494
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:18,000
ever

1495
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:19,000
to excel.

1496
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:25,000
to do better than others, and to bring glory to your forebears, who indeed were very great.

1497
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:30,000
This is my ancestry, this is the blood I am proud to inherit.

1498
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:37,000
The same should be said for Chester County. We stand on the shoulders of all those who came before us.

1499
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:38,000
We

1500
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,000
should always excel to do better.

1501
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:44,000
We should do better, we can do better, and I'm sure we will do better.

1502
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:50,000
Thank you.

1503
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:51,000
Hi, I'm

1504
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:54,000
Kathy Dobson from Birmingham 2.

1505
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:59,000
I just want to know, and I know you can't answer, but after the investigation.

1506
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:03,000
If it shows that there have been many people that were disenfranchised and.

1507
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:06,000
Um, can you

1508
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:07,000
change?

1509
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:10,000
The result, um, the certification.

1510
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:17,000
That's why it… yeah, that's why it doesn't make sense that you certified this before the investigation.

1511
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:26,000
It's… it's… it's irrational.

1512
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:29,000
Dolores Triani, solicitor for the Republican Party.

1513
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:32,000
Commissioner Maxwell, um…

1514
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:33,000
I

1515
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:35,000
find your words hallow.

1516
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:41,000
You know, I was in this room a couple weeks ago when Stephanie O'Brien was talking.

1517
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:45,000
And I was in the back of the room with my colleague, my brave colleague.

1518
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:54,000
Robin Coroniti, and a man near us yelled, fascist at her. And Robin went up to him and said, you will be respectful.

1519
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:58,000
And he yelled fascist again. And then I turn to you and said, remove him.

1520
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:03,000
And you said no. So, your newfound interest in decorum.

1521
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:07,000
rings hallow with me.

1522
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:13,000
I would like this report in advance, so I can look at it. Will you agree to do that?

1523
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:17,000
I don't think you will. We agree to put a Republican.

1524
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:23,000
on that committee, I don't think you will. Would you agree to put me on the committee? I know you won't.

1525
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:27,000
But I have one more thing to say.

1526
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:31,000
When I first started as a Republican committee person.

1527
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:35,000
I was on the ballot, and I got to be a poll watcher.

1528
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:38,000
in my precinct, because I know those people.

1529
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:45,000
I know my Joe, I'm familiar with that area. And suddenly, after being a thorn in the side of this committee.

1530
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:49,000
of this commission, whatever, the Board of Elections.

1531
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:52,000
Suddenly, Republicans running for election.

1532
02:09:52,000 --> 02:10:06,000
who are running for a party office were not permitted to be poll watchers in their own precincts. Well, that's coming up again. That was a head-scratcher to me. I couldn't understand why you would change the rules. But now I do.

1533
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,000
Because on election day.

1534
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:15,000
Our committee people were our eyes and ears. That's why I have so much knowledge of what was going on.

1535
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:22,000
And that's why I could communicate that knowledge to the people who needed to know, because you couldn't.

1536
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:33,000
You hired a law… we filed a suit, and you've hired a law firm, and I'll bet they've spent $100,000 billing this county over something so simple.

1537
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:37,000
I'd ask you to reconsider, and I'd ask.

1538
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:46,000
Commissioner Roe to advocate for us. We need our committee people, as poll watchers, in their districts, in their precincts.

1539
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:48,000
So that this sort of stuff.

1540
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:56,000
at least gets reported accurately. Thank you.

1541
02:10:56,000 --> 02:11:00,000
Sally Menninger of Chester County. Uh, I just would like to say two things.

1542
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:06,000
The first is that I was one of the filers of the petitions in 2022.

1543
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:10,000
That it wasn't even the date for my petition to be.

1544
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:17,000
Reviewed, and the election was certified. So what, uh, Solicitor Friends had to say.

1545
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:22,000
About, um, one of those exceptions, I know for a fact.

1546
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:25,000
because of direct involvement to not be true.

1547
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:28,000
But the main reason I came up here a second time is because.

1548
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:32,000
I wanted it to publicly go on the record.

1549
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:34,000
to, um…

1550
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:36,000
put out my thanks to Commissioner Rowe.

1551
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:48,000
for actually reviewing everything thoughtfully, listening to what we had to say, and voting not to certify this election. And I'm up here because instead of.

1552
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:53,000
Um, thanking him after the meeting, I wanted on the public record so that everyone knows.

1553
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:57,000
how he represented the people in the room today and all of the voters.

1554
02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:03,000
So, thank you so much.

1555
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:05,000
Linda Moore,

1556
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:08,000
perhaps in Township?

1557
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:15,000
Um, I wanted to come back up here and share a couple of steps that we went through in our precinct.

1558
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:23,000
that I haven't heard here that give me pause about instructing.

1559
02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:25,000
the poll books to sign the poll books.

1560
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:32,000
Are you aware that the inspectors and the judge of elections have to sign a document and take an oath.

1561
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:41,000
In front of the three of us, that we will not allow someone whose name does not appear in the poll book to cast an in-person.

1562
02:12:41,000 --> 02:13:00,000
ballot. I don't know where this instruction came from that the person should sign the back of the poll book if they appear in that master list, but the three of us looked at each other and said, where are we getting this instruction? We all just took an oath to each other and signed a document that is part of the opening of the polls.

1563
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,000
That we would not allow this to happen.

1564
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:07,000
So this needs to be looked at. That document is part of our package.

1565
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:13,000
The other thing I wanted to mention is that some of these precincts are just gigantic.

1566
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:21,000
There were precincts that had 214 provisional ballots. Can you imagine the size of the precinct down to ones that had nothing.

1567
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:28,000
There needs to be a look at why do we have such disproportionately sized precincts.

1568
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:34,000
No wonder these Joes were under stress in some of these precincts. They had so many people coming in.

1569
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:39,000
You say, okay, each precinct has one Joe and two inspectors.

1570
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:44,000
Regardless of the size, we have… our precinct has 2,000.

1571
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:56,000
914 voters, and we have one judge and two inspectors, and then we have poll workers who come to work. There are some significantly less than ours. There are some that are larger than ours.

1572
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:03,000
This is another area that could cause what happened this election to be magnified.

1573
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:10,000
into a problem, because once you start down the wrong path of processing the provisional ballots.

1574
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:15,000
It snowballs. It just snowballs. Now, not every… some precincts did.

1575
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:19,000
much better job in processing than others, understandably.

1576
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:25,000
But the communication did not get out early enough. It could have alerted.

1577
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:32,000
The precincts to say, beyond, be prepared, get your books out, make sure you have the white envelope.

1578
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:38,000
Get the signatures on it, make sure the voter puts their ballot in the green envelope.

1579
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:47,000
seal it. Don't sign the envelope, and then seal it inside the white envelope, and make sure there's the 4 signatures on the outside.

1580
02:14:47,000 --> 02:15:00,000
When you have a lot of people standing in line, you want to help them get through the line and get out the door. They'd already stood in line once to be told that they're not in the poll book, so.

1581
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,000
The size of these precincts needs to be reviewed. Thank you.

1582
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:18,000
Thank you very much. Do we have anyone else in person but Ms. O'Brien?

1583
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:21,000
Stephanie O'Brien, Westtown. Um…

1584
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:23,000
Okay, so we knew you were going to certify.

1585
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:26,000
Um, but we're here making a statement.

1586
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:29,000
We're here making a statement.

1587
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:34,000
But let me just say one thing. Watching this for 5 years.

1588
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:43,000
Kudos to the voter services, I've been up there, what they do, Karen in the boxes, I mean, it's just this massive…

1589
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:48,000
production system that's really, if you think about it, it's our voice.

1590
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:54,000
It's our voice that this production area and everything's just all over the place.

1591
02:15:54,000 --> 02:16:02,000
But it's by design, right? So your team may not even know.

1592
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:04,000
They're being told these are the procedures.

1593
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:15,000
But it's a higher level. What's going on in this country is by design. So what the 75,000 was to cause chaos, confusion.

1594
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:17,000
Eyes off the focus.

1595
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:20,000
I've sent you videos.

1596
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:22,000
Look at Lara Logan.

1597
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:26,000
And the interview that she has with CIA.

1598
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:27,000
And

1599
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:30,000
Smartmatic, and Dominion.

1600
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:38,000
And how they brought that of Venezuelans in the news, Venezuela.

1601
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:40,000
coders,

1602
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,000
developers.

1603
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:46,000
companies to do a color revolution.

1604
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:48,000
In other countries.

1605
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,000
And they brought it here.

1606
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:55,000
Okay? This is by design. Act 77.

1607
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:58,000
was put in by Republican.

1608
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:01,000
Congress people.

1609
02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:04,000
It's a uni party.

1610
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:11,000
Okay? We are waking up. It's not going away. We're watching it, we're watching it.

1611
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:24,000
It's a uniparty. They put Act 77 in, which is unconstitutional. It's not going away. Somebody in our Republican Party could be standing up fighting to redact it. We have.

1612
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:27,000
I could name all, they're all, they're all rhinos.

1613
02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:33,000
So we still have Act 77, they put central scan in for a reason.

1614
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:39,000
To centralize, it's an easy way to manipulate the vote.

1615
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:41,000
over Wi-Fi.

1616
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:48,000
access by people, I've asked the question, who has access to our system, who does this behind it?

1617
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:54,000
And again, we've asked since 2020 for an audit. You guys are asking for an audit. They're not going to do an audit.

1618
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:58,000
What I'm saying is, the people that were pounding on here, I don't know, you know.

1619
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:05,000
We have excellence, we have a CEO, they're running this organization like a business.

1620
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:07,000
And they're treating it like a business.

1621
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:12,000
But it's, it's our American voice, and we're losing.

1622
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:17,000
Our country. I don't think we're gonna lose our country because we're right at the precipice of lots of things, but…

1623
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:21,000
It has all been by design, and we have woken up.

1624
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:24,000
But it's bigger than Chester County, and.

1625
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:25,000
Your time has

1626
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:26,000
expired, too. Please conclude

1627
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:39,000
your remarks. One or two people to put in the right places at the state level, with the systems, and cause confusion, and everybody run around, it's by design. And it hasn't gone away.

1628
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:49,000
So, that's all I just wanted to educate. This is all by design, we're fighting provisional ballots, this, that. The voter books, the voter rolls, the people, the this, the…

1629
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:54,000
It's insanity, because we care so much, and I always tell you, Josh, I am not…

1630
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:59,000
I'm a registered Republican, that's questionable right now, because I had to pick a side.

1631
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:03,000
I'm an American. I don't owe allegiance to the Republican Party.

1632
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:14,000
Democrat Party, Independent, I just see what's going on, and I've researched, and I'm listening, and I'm watching, and probably with my IT audit background, I can see what's going on.

1633
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:19,000
And then it's common sense. You just know, you just know.

1634
02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:20,000
common

1635
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:22,000
sense.

1636
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:25,000
Okay.

1637
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:26,000
While the

1638
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:30,000
investigation, please.

1639
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:33,000
My name's Jerry LaMostra of Chester County.

1640
02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:34,000
And

1641
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:38,000
what I heard initially from the folks.

1642
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:43,000
Uh, from Chester County was that what was being investigated.

1643
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:45,000
was.

1644
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:50,000
in this debacle, whatever you want to call it, uh, individual error.

1645
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,000
And systemic failure.

1646
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:59,000
What wasn't mentioned is any criminality or criminal activities.

1647
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:03,000
Uh, they should be investigated also.

1648
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:06,000
Apparently that's not going to happen.

1649
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:12,000
I've run organizations, I've run, you know.

1650
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:18,000
I've been an analyst, a project manager. There's always a punch list.

1651
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:20,000
a checklist.

1652
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:26,000
Of any actions and tasks to be accomplished.

1653
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:31,000
And what it does is it, uh…

1654
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:39,000
It enables anybody who works in that environment to be able to go through.

1655
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:40,000
Check off every action.

1656
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:43,000
every task that needs to be accomplished.

1657
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:46,000
to make sure that it.

1658
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:48,000
It's not missed.

1659
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:53,000
I don't know if voter Services has this. If they don't.

1660
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:59,000
That's a travesty, but if it does exist.

1661
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:02,000
either no one…

1662
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:08,000
Checked off that box, or who I… the people in charge never.

1663
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:11,000
certified that.

1664
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:20,000
The other thing is, uh, what you also mentioned was that, uh, 50 contests were won by only one vote.

1665
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,000
And…

1666
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:27,000
That's incredible. Uh, it happens. I understand that.

1667
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:30,000
Many voters were turned away.

1668
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:32,000
Without being able to vote.

1669
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:38,000
Which should have caused you not to certify.

1670
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:44,000
But the two Democrat commissioners just certified.

1671
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,000
This election.

1672
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:49,000
To possibly.

1673
02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:51,000
Uh, was criminally.

1674
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:55,000
administered. It was definitely improperly administered.

1675
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:58,000
And it denied the right to vote.

1676
02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:00,000
To a lot of people.

1677
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:08,000
Your actions and those of Chester County Voter Services need to be federally investigated.

1678
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:23,000
and prosecute it. And I'll do everything in my power to make sure that happens. Thank you.

1679
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:26,000
Do we have any more, uh, public comment in person?

1680
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:27,000
All

1681
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,000
right, Ms. Moser, why don't you take us online?

1682
02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:30,000
We

1683
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:31,000
have one comment online from,

1684
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:41,000
uh, Tracia. You can unmute yourself.

1685
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:42,000
Yes, we can hear you.

1686
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:49,000
Hello, can you hear me? Okay, I missed the, um, first portion of the online comment.

1687
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:50,000
Sorry, could you please state your full name for us and your municipality?

1688
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:54,000
Commenting.

1689
02:22:54,000 --> 02:23:02,000
Sure, uh, this is, uh, Chisha Chin, uh, from East Wiland. I am the Republican Committee Chair in the township.

1690
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:07,000
I missed the initial portion of the commenting, so sorry for that.

1691
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:14,000
Um, I want to, uh… I know that you guys already certified the election result.

1692
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:23,000
I just want to tell you that, um. By making a mistake in the voting process, you did one thing wrong.

1693
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:28,000
And by… certifying this election.

1694
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:35,000
Was the many, many of the voters that you disenfranchised, you did another thing wrong.

1695
02:23:35,000 --> 02:23:40,000
2 rounds does not make you a right thing, that you can have the conclusion.

1696
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:45,000
Okay, you need to have the conscious, and then you know, you know you didn't do it right.

1697
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:47,000
You didn't do it right in your normal work.

1698
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:54,000
In your election preparation work, you didn't have the proper processes, you didn't have the proper resources to do your work.

1699
02:23:54,000 --> 02:24:02,000
And then you did that wrong. And then you did another thing wrong by certifying this election. Two round does not make your right.

1700
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:11,000
Okay? And then your voter service process. In the provisioning… provisioning ballot counting process.

1701
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:16,000
You don't have the proper procedures to. Detect double counting.

1702
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:26,000
I was there, and I pointed out that. to the staff and to your director of the voter Services, and they have to come up with the solution on the fly.

1703
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:33,000
to say, oh, the shore system from the PA IT system will essentially dictate that problem.

1704
02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:39,000
This is you inventing process on the fly and then trying to.

1705
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:48,000
Um, make your voters. considering what you do is reasonable. We are not being fooled.

1706
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:54,000
Okay? Like many people who have professional background, who understand how normal.

1707
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:59,000
Um, things needs to be done properly in the private sector.

1708
02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:05,000
you guys need to… the county election board, you really need to.

1709
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:09,000
Look in yourself, and then look in the mirror, and then tell us.

1710
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:21,000
You are doing your job, or you are. consciously not doing your job. We elect you, you are supposed to be working for us, you are not.

1711
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:29,000
supposed to be working against. Your people, the voters, doesn't matter where Democrat or we are Republican.

1712
02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:30,000
Do you have 30 seconds remaining.

1713
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:40,000
Okay? Yes, thank you. So, you guys need to have a conscience in your mind, really understand what you have been elected.

1714
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:49,000
4. Yeah, I can call my, uh, comments. Thank you.

1715
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:58,000
Next up, we have Chris Thompson. You can go ahead and unmute yourself.

1716
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:04,000
Hey, thank you. Good afternoon. Uh, as you said, I'm Christopher Thompson, T-H-O-M-S-O-N.

1717
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:10,000
I'm a lifelong resident of Chester County, 62 years in this community.

1718
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:14,000
I currently serve as the, uh, Area Chair for West Hill and Thornbury.

1719
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:22,000
And I'll say this plainly. The county leadership, including the executive committee and Voter Services.

1720
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:27,000
has failed the people of Chester County. It's not a Republican issue, Democrat issue.

1721
02:26:27,000 --> 02:26:34,000
It's a citizen issue. You failed us. In this election, I ran alongside Joe LaRusso.

1722
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:42,000
Deanna Wang, Alyssa McGrory. Tom Hatsudeus, I ran as the prophonetary candidate.

1723
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:47,000
We had a clear and urgent message. It was called CHESCO Deserves Better.

1724
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:51,000
Make no mistake, this is the moment right now.

1725
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:57,000
This is exactly. why we said it.

1726
02:26:57,000 --> 02:27:02,000
Absolute failure of leadership at all levels in this county. It's pitiful.

1727
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:10,000
And it's an embarrassment. This certification hearing is not a formality, it's a test of your integrity.

1728
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:16,000
And it's failed. The problems, the mismanagement, the disregard for basic accountability.

1729
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:22,000
You're sweeping it aside, and you're ignoring it. Chester County residents.

1730
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:30,000
I don't care what your party affiliation is. I used to be a Democrat many years ago, switched to Republican.

1731
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:34,000
Does it really matter. Chester County residents deserve better.

1732
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:41,000
than what they received in this election. And they deserve much better going forward. You've established a precedent.

1733
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:47,000
By certifying this election. Of certifying unlawful votes.

1734
02:27:47,000 --> 02:27:52,000
It's disgraceful. This is a time for county leadership.

1735
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:56,000
to reflect… you won't do it. But I'm gonna say it anyway.

1736
02:27:56,000 --> 02:28:02,000
Reflect upon what you've done here. confront the failures, correct them.

1737
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:07,000
restore some integrity in the process. Right now, no one trusts you.

1738
02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:13,000
I certainly don't. And there's many others out there that don't.

1739
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:20,000
So, with that said, Chester County does deserve better. That's why we ran under that slogan.

1740
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:26,000
Thank you.

1741
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:28,000
I see no more hands online. Thank you,

1742
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:32,000
Ms. Moser. Uh, can I have a motion to adjourn today's meeting? So moved.

1743
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:35,000
Second, any discussion?

1744
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:36,000
All

1745
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:37,000
those in favor, please say aye. Aye.

1746
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:47,000
Any opposed? Hearing none, motion passes. Thank you, everyone. Have a wonderful day.