[0:19] Everybody, we are gonna get started with, what
[0:23] I know everyone is here for, and that
[0:25] is our public hearing to, amend our vehicle
[0:28] and traffic code to make some additional parking
[0:30] restrictions. Mister Alms? Thank you. This order was
[0:37] duly advertised in the daily local news on
[0:39] 02/10/2020 and filed in the Chester County Law
[0:43] Library. It is amending the code of the
[0:45] borough of West Chester, specifically chapter one zero
[0:47] four, section one zero four dash 32 titled
[0:50] vehicles and traffic to add parking restrictions on
[0:53] certain days and times on Market Street and
[0:55] Poplar Street for street sweeping and street maintenance.
[0:58] Chapter 104, section 104 dash 45 titled special
[1:03] purpose parking zones established, parking otherwise prohibited to
[1:07] remove two separate parking spaces for handicapped persons
[1:10] and chapter 104, section 104 dash 34.1 titled
[1:14] electric vehicle charging station. And the first one
[1:18] in section 104 dash 32 is to add
[1:21] restrictions to Market Street on the South Side,
[1:24] Thursdays 8AM to 11AM from Bradford Avenue to
[1:29] Wayne Street. The second one is section 104
[1:32] dash 32 to add restrictions to Market Street
[1:35] on the North Side, Mondays, 8AM to 11AM
[1:38] from Potter Alley to Everhart Street. The last
[1:42] of those section 104 dash 30 twos is
[1:44] to add restrictions to Poplar Street on the
[1:47] West Side on Thursdays 8AM to 11AM from
[1:51] Market Street to Bernard Street. And then in
[1:53] section 104 dash 45, to remove one handicap
[1:58] designated parking space at 118 West Bernard Street
[2:02] and remove one handicap designated parking space at
[2:05] 404 North Darlington Street. And in section 104
[2:09] dash 34.1, the parking of motor vehicles in
[2:13] any parking spot that is designated by the
[2:16] borough as an electric vehicle charging spot shall
[2:19] be limited to motor vehicles that are connected
[2:22] to the charging equipment. Once the motor vehicle
[2:25] is charged, the motor vehicle shall not remain
[2:27] parked in such designated spot. Thank you. Thank
[2:31] you. Any comments or questions from counsel? Any
[2:36] comments from the public? Can I have a
[2:39] motion? I make a motion to accept the
[2:42] amendment to chapter 104 vehicles and traffic as
[2:45] read. Second. Motion by Mr. Flynn, second by
[2:49] Mr. Bracelin. Can you call the question please?
[2:51] Yes. Yes. Yes. Mr. Aye. Yes, the motion
[3:00] passes seven zero. And that concludes our public
[3:03] hearing. And now we can move on to
[3:05] the fun stuff. I will now call our
[3:08] February to order, and ask that Mr. Stefano
[3:13] lead us in the pledge of allegiance. I
[3:19] pledge allegiance to the flag of The United
[3:22] States Of America and to the republic for
[3:24] which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,
[3:29] with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.
[3:37] Do we have any comments, suggestions, or petitions
[3:40] by residents in attendance regarding items not on
[3:42] the agenda? Thank you. There was an ordinance
[3:49] last meeting where it was about allocating $2,000
[3:53] for a celebratory 2024, like, two hundred twenty
[3:58] fifth anniversary, but it's not on the agenda
[4:00] today. Was is there any reason for that?
[4:03] Yeah. So the approval yesterday wasn't actually to
[4:06] allocate the $2,000. That was a request for
[4:10] the future. What we approved yesterday was to
[4:13] establish a committee to prepare for the borough's
[4:16] February. The committee, when it's actually formed, asked
[4:22] for $2,000 Presumably, that would have to be
[4:25] back in front of counsel. Any other comments
[4:29] or questions? Alrighty. Seeing none, we'll move on
[4:33] to comments by Borough Council and the mayor,
[4:35] and we will start with Mr. Elliman. Good
[4:37] evening. Thanks for coming out. It's so wonderful
[4:40] to see Borough Hall so full tonight, and
[4:43] it's really a great occasion why we're here.
[4:45] And I wanted to take a quick moment
[4:47] just to thank Chief Bond for thirty four
[4:49] years of amazing service. I wish our times
[4:53] could have overlapped, But I'll cherish this night
[4:56] that we have. So, thanks again. Really, really
[5:00] appreciate I just wanted to say that I've
[5:03] learned a lot in my first month on
[5:04] council, and have already heard a ton of
[5:06] fantastic ideas, and I'm really excited to work
[5:09] with all of you moving forward to try
[5:12] to make those happen. Thank you. Mr. Spano.
[5:15] Yes. I wanted to announce that I had
[5:18] joined a meeting. It was a off campus
[5:22] community services, the RAN ambassadors paraprofessionals with the
[5:25] university. They had a training in January before
[5:28] the students came back in session. And I
[5:30] was really thankful that one of the grad
[5:32] students, Molly Scolo, reached out to me. She
[5:35] had come to a meeting I think last
[5:37] month or two months ago. And with the
[5:39] intent of just opening conversation with me in
[5:41] the Southeast section of the borough about the
[5:45] concerns with student behavior and just opening a
[5:48] conversation. Was very grateful that she did that.
[5:50] And I attended the meeting and met with
[5:52] everybody and it was a very good start
[5:55] to increasing the communication between the residents, me,
[6:00] and the university, and more importantly with the
[6:02] students themselves. All the people there, there were
[6:05] some staff members there, most of them were
[6:07] students. They led the conversation. And one of
[6:10] the most refreshing things that was said was
[6:12] I made a comment when I first started
[6:14] talking that I know you're not the problem,
[6:16] you're all the good kids here. And they
[6:18] stopped me and they said, we don't like
[6:20] that you said that. We represent every student
[6:22] and we wish to hit this problem head
[6:24] on. It was very refreshing for me and
[6:27] I hope to increase the communication with them
[6:30] going forward. I've been emailing with Molly and
[6:33] with Sandy Jones and the off campus community
[6:34] services And it's just been a good start.
[6:38] And I think it will be starting. I'm
[6:39] going to invite them to a public safety
[6:41] committee meeting soon, just so everybody can see
[6:44] the face to those names and continue that
[6:47] conversation. Other than that, I just want to
[6:49] congratulations to the chief. I've worked with you
[6:52] the last couple of years and I think
[6:54] you're the person I've talked to on the
[6:56] phone and through email more in the borough
[6:58] than anybody else. We've had many phone conversations
[7:01] and you're very transparent, you're very honest and
[7:05] truthful and you don't ever shy away from
[7:08] dealing with anything. And I think the reputation
[7:11] of our police force has a lot to
[7:13] do with you And it's a great reputation
[7:16] and I really thank you for your service
[7:17] and you'll be missed. Thanks. Mike. Mr. Flynn.
[7:22] Thank you very much. For all those who
[7:25] don't know, it's Chief Bond's fault that I
[7:27] moved into the borough twenty one years ago.
[7:29] Twenty years ago. I called him and said,
[7:34] but is Westchester safe? And he still remembered
[7:37] that because I said I was not going
[7:39] to move into the borough if it was
[7:40] not safe. And he says, I live here,
[7:43] it's safe. So what I did, sold my
[7:46] house to Chester Heights and moved to the
[7:48] borough and look where I sit today. My
[7:50] mother will be proud. Good luck in your
[7:53] new venture. The second thing is a major
[7:58] announcement the past pastor of Saint Agnes Church
[8:02] Nelson Perez, the first Latino archbishop of Philadelphia.
[8:08] We're very proud that that he's gonna be
[8:10] leading over 1,000,000 Catholics in the city of
[8:13] Philip in the five county area. Came from
[8:16] our humble parish right here at Saint Agnes.
[8:20] And, we're very, very proud of that. So
[8:22] we have a lot to be, thankful for
[8:24] in Westchester for another first. Thank you. I
[8:31] only want to say also thank you to
[8:32] chief, for his service and for the leadership
[8:36] that has made our police force a model
[8:39] for many others throughout, not only at the
[8:41] county, but throughout the state. And I'm sure
[8:45] we're all looking forward to new leadership as
[8:48] well and the new directions that it might
[8:50] take us. Thank you. Mr. Breezell. I too
[8:56] want to thank the Chief. Scott's been a
[9:00] phenomenal resource. I've learned a great deal from
[9:02] him. He was always accessible, always had better
[9:07] ideas than I did, of course that's why
[9:08] he was chief. And it was just, in
[9:11] my six plus years, it's just been a
[9:14] thorough pleasure to have known you and to
[9:17] have worked with you. And as I said
[9:19] last time, I'll miss having you around, I
[9:21] really will. So congratulations, I'm glad you're going
[9:24] on to where you're going, and thank you.
[9:31] So, is it a twenty year tenure? Well,
[9:38] I want to tell you I really want
[9:41] to express my gratitude. Excuse me. The twenty
[9:44] years, you've never arrested me. I think that's
[9:48] important we're dead on the record. And for
[9:52] some of my friends, you know, and it's
[9:56] fun to sit next to you to banquets.
[9:58] Although, it's hard to steal the silverware. Sit
[10:06] Excuse me. Geriatric management and science tells us
[10:13] that between 65 and 75 were categorized as
[10:21] young old. And between 75 and 85, you're
[10:25] a middle old. And then at 85 And
[10:29] beyond, you're old old. Beyond that, you're dead.
[10:33] So, mister Flynn and my colleague, mister Grace
[10:42] Flynn, we're all we're young. Anybody thought we
[10:47] were older than young, I'm gonna disinclusion with
[10:52] that idea. We're called the great squad. And
[11:00] now by the time this council meets again
[11:02] in full, I'm gonna be a little old.
[11:07] I'm very sad, but that's what I got.
[11:11] Sounds like an early happy birthday is in
[11:13] order. I'm actually not going to say anything,
[11:24] because this is the Chief's night, and my
[11:27] comments will be coming in a few minutes
[11:29] when we get to the agenda item number
[11:31] six. So thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I'll
[11:35] echo everyone else's sentiments and thank you for
[11:37] your service. When I joined council in 2015,
[11:42] we sat down together and I think our
[11:43] meeting lasted about an hour and a half
[11:45] longer than I had planned, which probably won't
[11:48] surprise anyone in this room. And I told
[11:53] you a story then that I'll relay as
[11:55] briefly as possible because we have so many
[11:57] of our fine officers here. And that was
[11:59] an incident I had witnessed a few years
[12:02] prior on South New Street of a party
[12:05] that was being broken up. And in this
[12:09] party that was being broken up, there were
[12:12] probably about 80 young kids out in the
[12:16] street congregating, and there was clearly some animosity
[12:20] that they felt towards the police. And one
[12:22] of the kids went up to one of
[12:26] the officers and was pointing at him and
[12:28] and touched him. And while all of his
[12:30] friends were yelling at the kid, don't be
[12:32] the next Ferguson. Don't be the next Ferguson.
[12:34] And I'm sitting here thinking I did whatever
[12:38] respecting person would do, and I went to
[12:39] my Third Floor and was watching this from
[12:41] the window. And I'm thinking, oh my god,
[12:45] I'm about to witness something awful. And the
[12:48] officer very calmly pushed the young man away,
[12:53] shined his flashlight at him, said, let me
[12:54] see your ID. They said to his friends,
[12:58] get this guy out of here. No joke.
[13:01] Within two minutes, everybody had left. This kid's
[13:05] friends were coming back and shaking hands with
[13:08] the officers and thanking the officers for their
[13:12] incredible patience in handling this situation. And I
[13:15] told the chief then that I couldn't have
[13:18] been more proud of how our police force
[13:19] handled that situation. And I think that's a
[13:22] testament to your leadership over the last twenty
[13:25] years and your service over the last thirty
[13:27] four. So thank you very much. And with
[13:29] that, we will move on to miss Segler
[13:34] Stahl has the the privilege of being interviewed
[13:37] for a position in front of a packed
[13:39] house. This is where you want me? Okay.
[13:48] Hi. I'll note that you are applying for
[13:51] a spot on the historical commission. Yeah. There
[13:54] are two open positions and we had another
[13:56] applicant last So with those odds, I'll do
[13:59] my best to keep it brief. Okay. If
[14:02] you could just tell us a little bit
[14:03] about yourself, and why you're interested in joining
[14:05] the historical Well, I'm from Germany originally, and
[14:09] so I grew up among a lot of
[14:11] historic buildings, and the appreciation of historic buildings,
[14:14] and the history is very important in Germany.
[14:19] And then I moved to Westchester about twenty
[14:21] years ago, lived just near South Campus. And
[14:24] two and a half years ago, we moved
[14:26] into the borough, into a historic building, into
[14:28] the Butler House on Minor Street. I don't
[14:31] know where you know where that is. It's
[14:33] towards Eberhard Park. And since then, we've become
[14:36] really invested in in this building. Maintaining the
[14:39] building is a bit more expensive than we
[14:42] thought it would be. Researching the history of
[14:45] the people who lived in the building. So
[14:49] I've always had an interest in archaeology. I've
[14:52] been I've taken many classes at the university
[14:54] here in archaeology. I've been to digs, local
[14:58] digs with the archaeology department. So it just
[15:04] fits in. Then we recently joined the tree
[15:07] tenders. So we will be in charge of
[15:10] a stretch of New Street, to kind of
[15:12] keep an eye out. You know, watch the
[15:14] trees, sure they're okay, and make a note
[15:18] if something's not going right. And so this
[15:21] whole area is Westchester's a gem. So that's
[15:27] really. We have any questions? Well, we appreciate
[15:33] your willingness to serve. You'll see a couple
[15:35] items down we have on the agenda, the
[15:38] appointment. So if you wanna stick around Okay.
[15:42] Feel free. If not, it could be a
[15:44] while before we get there. We won't be
[15:46] offended if you leave. That's okay. Thank you
[15:48] very much for your Next on the docket
[15:54] here, we have the recognition of Chief Scott
[15:56] Bond for thirty four years of dedicated service
[15:59] to the Westchester Borough Police Department and surrounding
[16:01] community. And I will turn the microphone over
[16:04] to the mayor. Okay. So, thank you everyone
[16:07] for being here. You know, once again, we're
[16:11] here to honor our chief for twenty years,
[16:13] two decades of service as chief and thirty
[16:15] four years serving the department. And I know
[16:21] we have several people who want to provide
[16:24] citations, so we're going to start with that.
[16:27] And I'd like to first start with Steve
[16:30] Grabicki, who's Senator Denimon's Chief of Staff. Oh,
[16:36] sure. Always loves to do the furniture. All
[16:42] right. The microphone's on. Oh, it's brilliant. How
[16:47] you doing? So, we should I I started
[16:52] thinking about this. Senator Denimon, yeah, he sends
[16:55] his regrets for for not being able to
[16:57] be here this evening. But whenever he can't
[16:59] go somewhere, I I have the pleasure of
[17:01] of of covering for him and and it
[17:03] is a pleasure. And the first time we
[17:05] had an interaction with Chief Bond was going
[17:07] back 02/2007, and it involved an alcohol issue
[17:12] in the borough. And I think the big
[17:15] part of that conversation, the thing I remember
[17:17] most of all, is the willingness to be
[17:19] a collaborator and to work with the office
[17:22] and try and find, not only collaborate, but
[17:25] find innovative ways and also being receptive to
[17:28] different ways of trying to work through some
[17:30] issues at the time. The second incident that
[17:33] comes to mind as I'm thinking about this
[17:34] was a rally Senator Dinaman decided to have
[17:37] in the borough in 02/2011 after, governor Corbett
[17:41] threw some education budget. And about 700 plus
[17:45] people showed up at, borough right at the
[17:47] outside the courthouse. And, of course, we we
[17:50] didn't give any notice to the Westchester Police
[17:52] Department or anybody else that Senator Dinner was
[17:54] doing this, but we found out organically that
[17:56] this started to happen and responded to to
[18:00] things went off, things went smoothly and handled
[18:03] it really well. And I had a personal
[18:06] incident the office where had somebody saw some
[18:11] people on the roof, you were in the
[18:13] corner of Church And Market Street, And somebody
[18:15] saw maybe 20 people up on our roof
[18:18] and we're getting these calls, getting these voicemails
[18:20] saying, hey, somebody's having a party on your
[18:21] roof. So I there's on the Third Floor,
[18:24] there's a hatch. So I climb up there
[18:27] and what had happened was they put all
[18:29] their empties on the top of this hatch.
[18:31] So I open it up and all these
[18:34] beer bottles start tumbling down and everyone down
[18:36] below they just they're falling off the roof.
[18:39] Okay? And hitting the awning. If you go
[18:40] to the corner church and market, it has
[18:42] that awning there. Bouncing off of that, smashing
[18:44] on the street, of course Westchester PD shows
[18:47] up and says, hey, what's going on? After
[18:50] a short explanation, I was able to we
[18:52] were able to work through that and it
[18:55] was our neighbors. They could actually, from their
[18:57] deck, this is a Zukin property, they're able
[18:59] to climb onto a roof and they had
[19:01] a nice view of Westchester. And we've had
[19:04] other incidents with or that have happened in
[19:06] the office, not a few and far between,
[19:08] but always your team always responded and responded
[19:13] professionally and had them equated themselves exceptionally. So,
[19:19] a strong leader. Strong leader isn't always there
[19:23] and you can't always be there involved with
[19:26] everything. But when you how your team responds,
[19:29] that's absolutely a reflection. So I'm senator Dinerman
[19:32] from the senate of Pennsylvania. There's a citation
[19:35] that, the senator asked me to present. It's
[19:39] in part of the senate record, and thank
[19:41] you for your service. Thank you, and it's
[19:43] all senators. So, Chief, I know you've been
[19:54] in your car all day, so you won't
[19:56] mind standing there for a while. Next, I
[20:00] believe we have Ethan Schaefer, who's representing representative
[20:04] Carolyn Komita. Yes, I'm here. My name is
[20:07] Ethan Schaefer. I'm here on behalf of, Carolyn
[20:09] Komita and actually, state representative Stappi, also did
[20:14] sign this, citation as well. First of all,
[20:18] I would just like to say thank you,
[20:19] Khafif Vaughan, for all the service to this
[20:21] great community. I I, moved to Westchester, for
[20:25] college, and I've loved it ever since, and
[20:27] I haven't left. So Carolyn did actually prepare
[20:30] a a short statement that she asked me
[20:32] to read, so I'll read that. Congratulations, chief
[20:36] Bond, and thank you for serving and protecting
[20:38] the people of Westchester for thirty four years.
[20:41] You've overseen a tremendous transition in the borough,
[20:44] and, we are better today because of your
[20:46] leadership. It was an honor to serve as
[20:49] chair of the Public Safety Committee and as
[20:51] mayor working alongside you for almost twelve years.
[20:54] I've learned so much from you over those
[20:56] years, and I'm a better pro public servant
[20:58] today, because of it. I look forward to
[21:01] working with you in Harrisburg in your new
[21:03] role role as executive director of the Police
[21:06] Chiefs Association. Thank you, and I wish you
[21:09] all the best of luck in the world.
[21:20] I know we have in our audience our
[21:22] wonderful new Sheriff Freda Maddox, if you'd like
[21:25] to say a few words. I don't know
[21:37] what it is. They have a new sheriff
[21:39] in town and you're leaving. But anyway, I
[21:43] just wish you all of the best and
[21:46] the outpouring of the people, the officers, as
[21:50] well as the community in this room demonstrates
[21:53] the leadership and the love and affection that
[21:56] they have for you. I know that the
[21:59] sheriff's office in the past and even in
[22:01] the present always depends on knowing that Westchester
[22:05] Borough Police Department is there. We are collaborators
[22:09] with you and anytime there was any incident,
[22:12] we know we could pick up the phone
[22:13] and call you. So, on behalf of the
[22:16] sheriff's office and I know there's going be
[22:17] a big celebration, we will be there then
[22:20] for your actual citation but I couldn't let
[22:23] this day go without at least acknowledging all
[22:27] that you've done. That's a long time of
[22:30] service. Not only as a police officer, but
[22:33] two decades, twenty years. And it started under
[22:37] Doctor. Clifford D. Baptiste. So again, just thank
[22:41] you so much. Thank you for also being
[22:43] a supporter of me, that if I need
[22:45] some advice, I know where to find you
[22:47] and I can pick up the phone and
[22:49] you already congratulated me and already provided me
[22:52] some type of guidance. So, I certainly appreciate
[22:54] that and certainly, the Chester County Sheriff's Association
[22:59] office is appreciative of you as well. So
[23:02] Go ahead. Scott. I've known Scott for all
[23:07] thirty four years. I'm in my thirty ninth.
[23:11] So I have a little couple years on
[23:12] you, But Scott and I started in criminal
[23:15] investigation together. I was with PSP and he
[23:18] was a newly freshman detective here in Westchester.
[23:22] So I can probably tell you stories all
[23:23] night till the cows come home by alone.
[23:26] But all I will say is that Scott
[23:27] has been a truly a colleague, a mentor,
[23:33] but mostly a friend. This guy has never
[23:35] changed from day one. I picked up the
[23:37] phone from the time that we were detectives
[23:39] to the time he was chief, and we've
[23:41] had that relationship and maintained it ever since.
[23:43] So other than the fact that your hair
[23:46] is no longer black, I no longer have
[23:48] an afro. And do we have any other
[24:04] elected officials in the room? Okay. So, at
[24:09] this time, I know that our Borough Council
[24:14] President, Michael Gailey, would like to say a
[24:16] few words for our outgoing chief. I'll keep
[24:23] this very brief because you all got to
[24:25] hear my story already. But on behalf of
[24:28] the borough, we would like to present you
[24:29] with this gift in honor and recognition of
[24:32] your thirty four years of service to this
[24:34] community. Congratulations and best of luck in your
[24:38] future endeavors. Thank you very much. So, before
[24:53] we move on at this time, I'd like
[24:54] to open it up to the floor. If
[24:56] there's anyone here, a resident or a colleague
[25:00] or anyone else who would like to say
[25:02] a few words, you're more than welcome. Jordan?
[25:07] Jordan was mayor for eight months? Yay. And
[25:15] served on borough council for how long? I
[25:19] just wanted to come up since I'm here
[25:20] and I'm all dressed up. It's been a
[25:23] pleasure working with you. Some of the strengths
[25:26] I've noticed from a leadership standpoint have been
[25:30] your ability to manage many, many, many different
[25:34] priorities. And, you know, I don't know how
[25:37] you do it from a time management standpoint.
[25:38] I'm still trying to figure out, you know,
[25:40] when I put my kid down to sleep.
[25:42] But, you've managed everything from the budget to
[25:45] personnel to everything else that goes along with
[25:50] running a police department. You've done it competently.
[25:53] You've done it with passion. And I was
[25:56] able to see that side of you working
[25:58] with you through the hiring process, as that
[26:01] is the number one most important thing is
[26:05] the hiring process. I'm hopeful with everything that
[26:09] you've done and built with this police department
[26:12] that we continue to pave down that path,
[26:15] and that we remember certainly as counsel as
[26:18] well, that it's extremely important, it's foundational to
[26:22] have a police department as professional and wonderful
[26:25] as the people that put themselves here today
[26:29] as a foundation for all the growth that
[26:31] occurs in Westchester. If you don't have safety,
[26:35] if you don't have quality of life, you
[26:37] don't have anything to grow towards and move
[26:40] towards and prosper. So, as council makes decisions
[26:44] going forward, every council going forward, I hope
[26:47] everyone remembers that, when making their decisions and
[26:50] casting their votes for officers going forward. And
[26:57] I wish you the best of luck, and
[26:59] maybe we can actually get a beer in
[27:00] town now. Is there anyone else from the
[27:13] audience who'd like to say anything? Thank you,
[27:16] Scott Bond. No, not Daryl. Jim, Jim Scanlon.
[27:53] That's a hard act to follow. But you
[27:59] mentioned your two year old and what Scott
[28:02] did to try to help. I'm Jim Scanlon,
[28:05] I'm the superintendent of the Westchester Area School
[28:07] District, and I'm here to thank Scott Bond
[28:09] and the entire, police department for all that
[28:12] they do to keep our kids safe. We
[28:15] back before, school safety drills were, something that
[28:19] they're now required to do, we were doing
[28:22] that, with the police department. In fact, after
[28:25] the Sandy Hook shooting, I remember having a
[28:28] conversation with Scott and the other chiefs, about
[28:30] safety drills and going through our schools and
[28:34] doing not just lockdown drills, but changing the
[28:36] whole protocol and the procedure to get away
[28:38] from any kind of danger and shooter. And
[28:41] and we would do these drills, they would
[28:43] come in and watch us do the drills,
[28:44] and they'd give us feedback in our schools
[28:46] to our staff. All all to help keep
[28:49] our kids safe. I've been the superintendent for
[28:52] eleven years, and my first time on the
[28:54] job, the first people I call the police
[28:57] chiefs that we're working with. I think it's
[28:58] important to do that. And since the district's
[29:01] called Westchester the first chief, I call it
[29:03] Westcott. And so I've been here a third
[29:05] of your years that you've been serving the
[29:08] community. And first thing he does is gives
[29:11] me his cell phone. If you need anything,
[29:14] just give me a call. Little did he
[29:16] know that we would be calling. I don't
[29:18] know what. Whether it was conducting safety drills,
[29:22] whether it was a drug bust or a
[29:24] bomb scare at Henderson High School, whether it
[29:26] was a dead body behind Hillsdale Elementary School
[29:28] from an overdose, whether it was a clown
[29:33] that was out in the community scaring people.
[29:35] Remember the clown we had to chase out
[29:37] of Hennessy a couple of years ago. He's
[29:40] always been there. He goes way out of
[29:44] his way to help, all the kids and
[29:46] everybody in the community. We are very blessed.
[29:48] I have worked with 11 different police forces
[29:50] in my twenty one years as a superintendent,
[29:53] and I gotta tell you, we are losing
[29:55] a chief that is among the best. I'm
[29:58] happy to know that he is going to
[29:59] be working in Harrisburg when he and I
[30:01] share some Harrisburg stories. It's good to know
[30:03] we have a friend out in Harrisburg now
[30:05] that, that we can actually try to help
[30:07] run some legislation. So, Scott, on behalf of
[30:09] all the kids, all the parents, that that
[30:11] you serve in our community, thanks so much
[30:12] for keeping us all safe. So is there
[30:24] anyone else from the audience? Joe, Joe Norley.
[30:27] I just speak from here, seems to be
[30:30] a poem, know, but twenty years I moved
[30:33] to Westchester with my wife Anyone else? Jim,
[31:57] Jim Sargent. So, the only, thing I've heard
[32:09] this evening which would lead me to question
[32:12] Scott Bond's integrity is his claim that he's
[32:15] served here for thirty four years. Anyone can
[32:18] look at him and realize that means he
[32:20] was 10 year old when he started. Scott
[32:27] has done an incredible job of leading this
[32:29] police force, and the testament to his leadership
[32:33] is the police force itself. I started law
[32:36] enforcement more years ago than I want to
[32:39] confess, but I've been a member of this
[32:42] community. I live and work here, and have
[32:45] since, the late 1970s. And, I will say
[32:52] that this police department is a real testament
[32:55] to the integrity of its leader. It's a
[32:58] very difficult job. Every one of the police
[33:02] officers I've ever met has discharged their, professional
[33:07] responsibility with the utmost integrity, and I really
[33:12] applaud you and the police department in this
[33:15] community. It is a testament to a community
[33:17] which is, know, open minded and fair minded.
[33:22] So, kudos to you. What else? Anyone else?
[34:26] Well, thank you all for your heartfelt and
[34:31] very true words. I'm mixing the agenda up
[34:36] a little and I'd like to ask the
[34:38] Brotherhood to now come up and provide their
[34:41] presentation to the Chief. David Hammond. I represent
[34:54] the brotherhood, and this is, corporal Brad Burghi,
[34:57] our vice president. Civilians don't likely know, of
[35:02] an internal tradition that the, brotherhood has of
[35:05] honoring a member with a quality engraved watch
[35:09] after twenty years of service to the brotherhood
[35:13] and the community. Membership in the brotherhood is
[35:17] only available to, officers with the rank of,
[35:20] sergeant and below. And due to the demands
[35:24] of the job and other reasons, a great
[35:27] number of officers never make it to twenty
[35:30] years. So it's a big achievement. The twenty
[35:34] year watch also has an added value in
[35:36] that it actually feels like a twenty five
[35:38] year watch. Chief Bond fell far short of
[35:43] this requirement for the twenty year watch. He
[35:47] was a failure in this regard, in that
[35:51] he had already been a lieutenant by year
[35:54] 14 or so? Seventeen. Seventeen? Okay. However, in
[35:59] recognition of his overall, service, the brotherhood has,
[36:02] waived this requirement for the chief and presents
[36:06] to him a twenty year watch that he
[36:08] never got. You said that last bit. It's
[37:27] the quick search. Okay. Thank you. Alright. Just
[37:33] one more. Thank you. So lastly, the two
[37:49] lieutenants and I would like to honor the
[37:52] chief. So, for full transparency, the Chief hates
[38:17] this. He doesn't like to be singled out
[38:20] because he said to me time and time
[38:23] and time again, it's not about him, it's
[38:26] about the entire force. And we all know
[38:28] that to be true. But everyone needs leadership
[38:32] and everyone needs good, strong leadership. And there
[38:36] is no doubt that Chief Bond has made
[38:39] a significant and lasting difference for our community.
[38:45] So, I thought to myself, rather than talk
[38:47] on and on and on, what are the
[38:50] three most important things I could say about
[38:53] him? And I thought about him, and I
[38:56] thought about who he is, and I came
[38:59] up with three words. And the first one
[39:02] is commitment, Because Chief Bond worked tirelessly during
[39:09] his tenure as chief for two decades to
[39:12] develop this police force into the modern age.
[39:18] To move into a community policing model, and
[39:21] to introduce transparency. We now have body cams
[39:26] for example. And he showed up at the
[39:28] NAACP meeting and he showed the body cam
[39:31] policy to everyone, and he said, I'd like
[39:33] you to take a look at this and
[39:35] give me your feedback. And I thought that
[39:38] was pretty impressive. And over the twenty years
[39:42] that he been chief, our serious crimes have
[39:45] declined 58% and put Westchester Thirty Four Percent
[39:51] below the national average. He was also very
[40:03] committed to me, which I found wonderful because,
[40:07] you know, it's really hard for a chief
[40:09] because mayors come and mayors go. And mayors
[40:13] have very different personalities. But he treated me
[40:16] with respect and he helped me and he
[40:20] taught me. And he would come in Monday
[40:23] mornings and say, that damn mayor, she blew
[40:25] up my phone all weekend again. But he
[40:28] was really he was really kidding, I think,
[40:36] because he was always I hope truly, he
[40:42] was always there to help and to answer
[40:46] my questions. But most importantly, his top number
[40:52] one commitment was to this community. He had
[40:56] an open door policy and he took every
[40:58] call and every email that came in and
[41:00] he responded immediately and he's told me over
[41:02] and over, this isn't about me, it's not
[41:05] about you, it's not about counsel, I apologize,
[41:08] it's about this community. And he meant it,
[41:11] and he practiced it every day. So that's
[41:14] number one. The second thing, the second word
[41:18] I would use to describe Chief Bond is
[41:21] intellect. I had someone very recently say to
[41:26] me, he's a genius. And I looked at
[41:29] him and he said, just flat out, no,
[41:31] like he's really smart. And he is. He's
[41:35] incredibly intelligent. I never asked him his IQ,
[41:40] but he has a tremendous ability to evaluate
[41:44] and analyze. And his positions are always incredibly
[41:49] well researched. They're supported and they're always put
[41:52] in the proper context. We had a man,
[41:57] a gentleman who was in a severe car
[41:59] accident in the borough and he lost his
[42:01] wife. And he came in here because he
[42:04] was so happy with the way our officers
[42:09] treated him and treated his wife. And he
[42:12] wanted to thank the chief. And afterwards, we
[42:16] had a discussion in my office and then
[42:18] the chief left and I talked to him
[42:19] for a while longer and he said, He's
[42:23] really your chief? He said, I expected this
[42:27] big, gruff, you know, burly dude. And what
[42:32] I met was an incredibly intelligent, compassionate, articulate,
[42:39] fair man. And he just could not say
[42:42] enough about Chief Bond. And I think that
[42:45] kind of says it all. And then my
[42:48] third word is fairness. You know, there's no
[42:52] such thing as presumption in police work, and
[42:57] we all know that, but Chief Bond never
[43:01] swayed. He never veered from that principle. He's
[43:06] incredibly objective. He's entirely apolitical, which is so
[43:10] nice. And the world I come from is
[43:13] wonderfully refreshing. And I, you know, there were
[43:18] a couple times when I would have victims
[43:20] of crimes, call me after they'd been through
[43:24] the whole justice system, the court system, the
[43:26] whole process, and they would feel as if
[43:30] justice wasn't served. They were still suffering. And
[43:33] I would invite them in, and I remember
[43:37] one incidence where the chief came in to
[43:40] help a young woman. And he was so
[43:43] wonderful. He didn't condescend to her in any
[43:47] way, but he explained to her the process.
[43:49] He empathized with her. He was incredibly fair
[43:52] about the realities. And you know, we can't
[43:59] give them the justice that they feel they
[44:01] deserve. But when she left that room, I
[44:04] knew that the chief had helped her. He
[44:08] helped her move toward closure and healing by
[44:11] listening to her and helping her understand. So,
[44:16] I want to thank you for your commitment,
[44:18] for your intellect, and for your fairness, and
[44:21] for your lasting contributions to our community. Thank
[44:25] you. I appreciate that. This is a citation
[44:36] from the mayor's office and from all the
[44:38] residents of this community thanking you. And this,
[44:43] this is our new key to the city
[44:44] with our new borough flag on it. So
[45:12] are we it? We get to see You're
[45:14] out. You're out. You're out. Three things of
[45:17] note. Marty voted me to speak tonight. So
[45:20] since yes and you're already. Three things. So
[45:24] Doctor. Scanlon, I look around, I see judges,
[45:28] I see state police, I see other police
[45:29] chiefs. Huge outpouring, it's fantastic. Our public safety
[45:33] community is here, from the county. Yeah, we're
[45:38] all going to miss them. It's, it's that
[45:40] time has come. You know, Marty and I
[45:42] are towards the end of our careers. We
[45:44] wish it would have came sooner, but it's
[45:47] okay. It's all good. But the one thing
[45:51] the chief impressed upon us, time in, time
[45:54] out again, and it was brought up many
[45:56] times tonight, depending on which direction you're heard
[46:00] it, but it's the people of this police
[46:03] force. The chief always had a way of
[46:05] hiring good people. And, you know, all the
[46:09] officers that are in attendance tonight, they were
[46:11] hired by the chief. It's because of you
[46:14] that crime rates have dropped the way they
[46:16] have. It's because of you that words like
[46:18] professionalism and responsiveness and community were shown tonight.
[46:23] So we really thank you for that. Marty
[46:26] and I were reflecting earlier today on the
[46:28] biggest thing we miss, since you've been gone
[46:30] now for a little over a month. And
[46:32] I've to be honest with you, we miss
[46:33] Tracy. Tracy brought the coffee, brought the salad,
[46:37] we don't that's gone. So we really don't
[46:41] miss you because We call you twice a
[46:45] week at least now anyway. So we still
[46:47] have access to you, but Trace, feel free
[46:49] to come back. So we miss you. We're
[46:52] now a little bit mad at the brotherhood
[46:54] because you got a watch given to him
[46:56] tonight. We wish he would have had that
[46:57] for our many long meetings because every everybody
[47:02] knows how that, how that impacted us over
[47:06] the years, but it was all all for
[47:07] great reason. So with that being said, the
[47:12] police administration and the members of the police
[47:15] department would like to present you with a
[47:16] couple gifts, but we're going to give you
[47:17] one tonight. We're to save one for later.
[47:19] But that gift comes from all the men
[47:21] and women of the police department. Had the
[47:24] mayor's input on it. Had a lot of
[47:25] Stacy and Emily input on it as well.
[47:28] And I'd like to present you with just
[47:31] a token of thirty four years of appreciation
[47:33] from from us. These are all the chief's
[47:36] badges, including Malcolm. Thirty four years in Polyester.
[48:29] Got a change in wardrobe. I can't possibly,
[48:33] and I'm extremely humbled by everything that's been
[48:36] said tonight. And I will be short, I
[48:40] get it. I have gotten it for a
[48:44] while, yeah, I know. But, you know, I've
[48:49] been in front of, I've worked for, and
[48:51] I don't, and I was thinking about this
[48:53] earlier in the week, how many different council
[48:55] people over the last thirty four years, and
[48:58] certainly over the last twenty that I've worked
[49:00] with. I've had the opportunity to work with
[49:05] six different mayors, different parties, all excellent people.
[49:12] I was hired by, Doctor. Debaptiste, back in
[49:17] 1999 after the untimely death of, one of
[49:20] my mentors, Chief Green. The most important function
[49:26] of government is public safety. And I'm a
[49:30] native of Westchester, so I've spent my entire
[49:33] life here. The intellect comes from Westchester School
[49:36] District, which I'm a graduate. Give you that
[49:39] plug, Doctor. Scanlon. But, you know, I've always
[49:44] looked at it as a bit of what
[49:45] we do and how we do it as
[49:47] being family. It does require all of that
[49:51] collaboration, with our school district, working with our
[49:54] university. I was talking to Malcolm Johnston, I
[49:57] know he's here somewhere. There you are Malcolm,
[50:00] thank you for all that you do. And
[50:03] remembering what the community was like, remembering certainly
[50:07] in experiencing what our crime was going back
[50:11] in 1999 to where we are today, and
[50:15] such a significant drop in our crime rate.
[50:20] And I think that is really a testament
[50:22] to the fine men and women in our
[50:25] police department. Now I've taken full credit for
[50:27] that on my resume, but I certainly am
[50:32] cognizant of the work and the sacrifice that
[50:35] all the men and women of this police
[50:38] department have made to this community. And I've
[50:41] always thought that was the good part of
[50:42] what we did, is the way our police
[50:46] officers were vested in their community. And you're
[50:50] working with partners, people like Kevin, the Chester
[50:53] County Detectives, the state police, the county sheriffs,
[50:56] there are just so many. But they were
[50:58] always, not only partners, but they were friends,
[51:02] people you could pick up the phone, call,
[51:05] and get the work, done. I certainly want
[51:09] to thank Tracy for her support. You got
[51:12] the invite back, I did not. They've cut
[51:16] my card access, they've cut everything. I can't
[51:19] get back into the building. My daughter Lauren's
[51:22] here, my stepmother Carol, and I saw Tracy's
[51:25] mom Wendy. Ben is here as well, and
[51:28] Tracy's sister, Emily, in the back. So, you
[51:31] know, this is just a little bit overwhelming,
[51:34] for me. It's certainly been my privilege, to
[51:39] be part of this community. I'm still part
[51:41] of the community. I still feel like, I
[51:44] am a member of the family. I always
[51:46] consider all of the people that I worked
[51:48] with, as members of my family. So I'm
[51:53] extremely grateful, for the number of people who
[51:56] came here tonight, and I can't thank you
[51:59] enough. On behalf of the entire police department,
[52:04] and certainly counsel, thank you this evening. Sorry
[52:06] I have my back to you, but, I
[52:09] can only say thank you. Really, you've given
[52:12] back more to me than I could have
[52:13] possibly ever given to you. And, certainly in
[52:18] my travels around the state, you know, Westchester,
[52:23] well recognized, highly thought of. I certainly always
[52:27] still promote, Westchester and what's going on, with
[52:31] our community. And I think we have, by
[52:34] comparison, such a great deal to be grateful
[52:37] for and proud of. So I thank all
[52:39] of you because all of you have had
[52:41] a role in that. And I'm happy that
[52:43] I had the opportunity to participate. So, thank
[52:46] you. Lauren, I should say that that first
[53:24] meeting I was talking about, he spent a
[53:25] good portion of it talking about you in
[53:27] a way that made it very clear how
[53:29] proud he was, and in a way that
[53:31] I'm sure I'll be talking about my daughters
[53:33] in thirty years. They're only seven in five
[53:36] months. Not that I'm not proud. We'll let
[53:41] everybody who is here for this file out
[53:43] before we move on. And thank you everyone
[53:47] for coming, and thank you, Chief. Yeah. Yeah.
[55:03] It was yeah. It's pretty cool. How you
[55:11] doing? The next topic for our discussion tonight
[55:32] is number eight, which is approval of the
[55:34] board and commission appointments. The first item is
[55:38] for the historical commission. There's one candidate listed
[55:41] there, and then we met the other candidate
[55:43] earlier today. We have two positions and two
[55:46] candidates. I think we if we wanted to
[55:49] move both of them on at the same
[55:51] time, we could do that. So moved. Second.
[55:58] Motion by Mr. Brazelin, second by Ms. Polk.
[56:01] Can you, to appoint these two individuals to
[56:04] those? Mr. Nell? Yes. Yes. Yes. Aye. Yes.
[56:15] The motion carries seven-zero. The next one is
[56:18] the hard one. I would like to make
[56:20] a proposal and throw it out there for
[56:23] discussion. I think Ms. DiFrancesco is clearly well
[56:28] qualified for the Sustainability Commission and expressed at
[56:32] least some interest in that. So I'd like
[56:34] to suggest that she sustainability. I know Mr.
[56:38] Forg expressed an interest in the Railroad Commission,
[56:42] so I think we should put him on
[56:43] the Railroad Commission. I think we should put
[56:47] Ms. McDonald on the library board and Ms.
[56:50] Reichel Herman on the that Ms. McDonald had
[56:56] attended a library board meeting in anticipation of
[57:00] her application, and I was particularly impressed with
[57:03] her discussion of meeting with her clients as
[57:07] guardian ad litem, which means her clients are
[57:10] all children, and directing them to the library
[57:13] as a source for access to information. Does
[57:20] anybody else have any contrary thoughts? Would you
[57:24] do it on the board? Number, we're on
[57:27] the library board list. Can we do that
[57:35] like that? All right, so the motion by
[57:40] Mr. Scott to appoint Ms. DeFrancesco and Ms.
[57:44] Reichel Kerman to the Sustainability Commission, to appoint
[57:48] Ms. McDonald to the Library Board, and to
[57:50] appoint Mr. Ford to the Railroad Commission. Do
[57:52] I have a second? Second. Second by Mr.
[57:55] Flynn. Can you call the question please? Yes.
[58:00] Yes. Yes. Yes. Motion carries seven zero. We
[58:10] have one open position and one applicant for
[58:12] the Sustainability Advisory Committee on the next slate.
[58:15] That seems like a no brainer. A motion?
[58:19] That is read. Second. All right, motion by
[58:23] Mr. Flynn, second by Mr. Bracelin. Yes. Mr.
[58:27] Flynn? Yes. Yes. Mr. Bracelin? Yes. Aye. Yes,
[58:32] the motion carries seven zero. On the next,
[58:35] we have two candidates, one for a full
[58:39] board member position and the other for an
[58:41] alternate position. My feeling on this one, and
[58:45] I'll throw this out for discussion as well,
[58:47] is that Ms. Clark clearly does this professionally.
[58:53] So I would recommend her for the open
[58:55] position in Ms. Second. Second by Ms. Pohl.
[59:06] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Aye. Yes. The motion
[59:15] passes seven zero. All right, thank you. The
[59:23] next item on our agenda is approval of
[59:27] the proposed enterprise vehicle leasing program. I think
[59:30] I'm going to turn this over to Mr.
[59:32] Flynn, who's been dealing with this for days.
[59:35] Don't know if has a comment for other
[59:37] council members. Hi, good evening. A year ago,
[59:42] we entertained Enterprise Leasing Corporation to find out
[59:48] whether the borough would actually fit the model
[59:51] for leasing vehicles through enterprise. It was very
[59:58] large study. Miss LeBold did the contracts. She
[1:00:03] called every contact that the enterprise gave us.
[1:00:11] She heard back from four out of five,
[1:00:14] and they all come back with sterling reviews.
[1:00:17] There were some startup issues with one of
[1:00:22] them, but, enterprise is able to, move things
[1:00:26] around to make sure that the hiccups were
[1:00:29] actually fixed. I was in charge of contracts,
[1:00:36] meeting enterprise and trying to figure out whether
[1:00:38] we'd actually have a cost savings if we
[1:00:41] did lease our vehicles from enterprise. And you'll
[1:00:46] be able to hear the outcome of that
[1:00:48] a little bit later on. Then what we
[1:00:52] did was we brought in the fleet manager
[1:00:55] to meet with the study team and with
[1:00:59] enterprise to make sure that we were making
[1:01:03] the right decision for the borough. And Mr.
[1:01:06] Jason Barnes was sitting in all the meetings
[1:01:08] for thereafter to make sure that it would
[1:01:12] be a fit for the borough to start
[1:01:13] leasing light body trucks and passenger vehicles. The
[1:01:20] state actually did us a favor. We're all
[1:01:23] familiar with the word co stars. Well, seven
[1:01:28] months, eight months into the study, even though
[1:01:31] Mr. Anthony told me the first day, of
[1:01:34] course I didn't remember, SourceWell is actually the
[1:01:38] approved commonwealth car leasing agent that's been approved
[1:01:46] by Harrisburg, just like CoStar's. CoStar's, we buy
[1:01:51] equipment, SourceWell is vehicles for buying, selling and
[1:01:56] leasing cars. We are very relieved to find
[1:01:59] out that Enterprise actually had the contract. At
[1:02:03] that particular time, we gave all the contracts
[1:02:06] to our solicitor. She did change some of
[1:02:09] the contracts around to meet our needs And,
[1:02:14] Enterprise was actually able to, let us do
[1:02:18] what we had to do to do it.
[1:02:19] This is an open end lease. So we're
[1:02:23] not locked in. If we decide we don't
[1:02:26] like them and they don't like us, we
[1:02:28] have a meeting and we decide it's over.
[1:02:31] So the cars and trucks that we buy
[1:02:34] or lease, they're ours. They're in our name.
[1:02:37] We have to ensure them. We have to
[1:02:40] make sure that we maintain them according to
[1:02:42] enterprises, protocol in order to stay within their
[1:02:47] program. And we also have to, make sure
[1:02:51] that we follow their procedures because the big
[1:02:54] return on leasing is when they tell us
[1:02:57] we have to get rid of a vehicle.
[1:02:59] It's time to flip the vehicle because it's
[1:03:02] at its highest resale value. That's the big
[1:03:04] thing about leasing. Use as much as you
[1:03:08] need to use it, but as they see
[1:03:10] in the market that that vehicle needs to
[1:03:12] be flipped out, they'll notify us right away
[1:03:15] to get it flipped out. We also purchased
[1:03:19] along with that would be a maintenance package.
[1:03:22] The maintenance package you heard last night is
[1:03:24] all the local vendors for oil changes, windshield
[1:03:27] wipers, top fixed tires, anything that goes wrong
[1:03:32] with the general maintenance of the vehicle is
[1:03:35] covered under our maintenance package that we have
[1:03:38] with Enterprise. So that actually helps out our
[1:03:42] motor pool people quite often where they don't
[1:03:45] have to run around trying to find a
[1:03:47] vendor to get something fixed. They go to
[1:03:49] the closest vendor, which is Pep Boys, and
[1:03:52] I think it's Auto World, right across the
[1:03:54] street, right across the outside the window. So,
[1:03:58] that's in a nutshell, we've able to work
[1:04:01] through everything. It took us a good year
[1:04:03] to do this. It was a heavy lift
[1:04:06] to make sure that we covered every base.
[1:04:09] Miss LeBold was totally against this thing in
[1:04:11] the very beginning. And she did a three
[1:04:14] sixty and she's 100% behind the lease program.
[1:04:19] And at this time, I'd like to have
[1:04:21] Mr. Barnes come up for a couple seconds.
[1:04:24] I did prep Mr. Barnes and tell him
[1:04:26] that he was going be called on. I
[1:04:27] was actually going to ask you to come
[1:04:28] up without even warning Because Mr. Barnes is
[1:04:33] going to be responsible to make sure if
[1:04:36] we move forward to handle the contract. Yes,
[1:04:41] Jason Barnes, fleet manager. So initially when I
[1:04:44] first got here, it was given to me.
[1:04:46] I've only been here about six, seven months
[1:04:48] now. So initially it was given to me.
[1:04:51] I really didn't understand it, but as I
[1:04:54] looked into it, it isn't a great opportunity
[1:04:57] because of the fact that two things, one
[1:04:59] Westchester is small, so we don't tear our
[1:05:02] cars up at all. So when he was
[1:05:05] talking about the resale value, we will get
[1:05:06] the maximum resale value because our cars are
[1:05:09] not abused. And when they go to turn
[1:05:12] it over, it's a great, it's a great
[1:05:13] opportunity. If you're looking for small vehicles, like
[1:05:16] he said, light trucks and passenger vehicles, your
[1:05:20] parking and your building and housing, is excellent
[1:05:22] for that because parking is not going that
[1:05:24] far, building houses not going that far. And
[1:05:26] also a variety of cars. At this present
[1:05:28] time, Ford, is getting rid of their hybrid
[1:05:31] cars. So the five that we have right
[1:05:33] now, that's it. But now we can do
[1:05:35] different manufacturers that, have hybrid vehicles and electric
[1:05:40] We already have charging stations. So, at this
[1:05:43] point, we have a variety of cars that
[1:05:45] we can use, not just one manufacturer. And
[1:05:47] we can switch up manufacturers because of the
[1:05:50] fact that, we're not doing the service. We
[1:05:53] have a maintenance program for it. We're not
[1:05:55] really doing the service on that. Aside for,
[1:05:57] if we become an authorized shop to do
[1:06:00] it with the oil changes and maybe some
[1:06:02] tires and that's about it. But because the
[1:06:05] cars are so new and anybody knows with
[1:06:07] a new car, you don't do that much
[1:06:09] to it. You pretty much just gas and
[1:06:11] go. So, the opportunity is good. So I
[1:06:16] suggest that we go forward with it. You,
[1:06:18] Mr. The follow-up Mr. Barnes, the first you're
[1:06:25] Our last fleet manager wasn't able to provide
[1:06:29] us with what it costs in parts only
[1:06:32] to maintain our fleet as it sits down
[1:06:35] the garage. Mr. Barnes was able to capture
[1:06:38] all that information. And in six months we've
[1:06:42] spent 90 one thousand in just parts. 100,000
[1:06:52] parts, hopefully savings unless something major breaks your
[1:06:56] trucks. And the biggest fault that we had,
[1:06:59] and we realized at the borough is we
[1:07:02] would buy vehicles and we would run them
[1:07:05] till they would not run any longer. And
[1:07:07] then we put them on muni bid. And
[1:07:09] then once we put them on muni bid,
[1:07:11] we got scrap prices for them. So with
[1:07:14] the new vehicles coming in and out every
[1:07:17] three years, three to five years, whatever the
[1:07:20] program is going to be. It keeps our
[1:07:23] people safe. It keeps them in a newer
[1:07:26] vehicle, a hybrid vehicle. I think we're going
[1:07:28] to go to a lot of electric vehicles.
[1:07:32] So that's my report, Mr. Gowdy. Thank you.
[1:07:35] Question on the vehicle choices. Have those been
[1:07:38] made yet or will we make those as
[1:07:40] we go forward in the program? Thank you.
[1:07:53] I reminded everybody yesterday, and I forgot myself
[1:07:56] this day. No, you're fine. We were waiting
[1:07:58] until a final decision was made before we
[1:08:00] locked down on the specs and the vehicles
[1:08:02] that we were going to select because of
[1:08:04] availability, given the model year that we're in.
[1:08:06] We're coming up against a lot of deadlines
[1:08:08] to place orders. Who makes the final determination
[1:08:11] of which vehicles which? Male You do. I
[1:08:14] make the recommendation based off of a variety
[1:08:16] of different aspects, but ultimately you're the decision
[1:08:18] maker. Feel like one of the most interesting
[1:08:19] aspects of this is the ability to go
[1:08:21] into Absolutely. Sounds like we'll have an ability
[1:08:29] to kind of work towards that. Absolutely. The
[1:08:32] equity lease product will allow us to shorten
[1:08:35] the life cycle of the fleet, is the
[1:08:37] old time. Mr. Gale, I believe that we
[1:08:40] have what six or seven units talked about
[1:08:44] for 2020. We were at a total of
[1:08:46] eight. Okay. Based off of some of the
[1:08:48] values we were able to get on the
[1:08:50] resale. Eight vehicles, because that's our normal. Yeah,
[1:08:53] we have about eight vehicles that we've, Anthony
[1:08:56] and I picked out so far. They're older
[1:08:58] vehicles. Mr. Allen was talking about last night
[1:09:01] about fuel efficiency, about the rise in the
[1:09:04] cost of fuel. And these eight vehicles are
[1:09:07] as they get older, they're less fuel efficient.
[1:09:10] So, getting into these eight vehicles right now,
[1:09:13] you know, give us a couple of dollars
[1:09:16] for the borough because we will sell them
[1:09:17] on this a bit. And we will get
[1:09:19] new cars that are more fuel efficient. Yes.
[1:09:21] So we have about eight vehicles right now
[1:09:22] and they're all older vehicles. To also mention,
[1:09:26] we keep a vehicle about ten years now.
[1:09:28] So, you know, if you've had a ten
[1:09:29] year old vehicle, it gets a little rough
[1:09:32] after about ten years. So yeah, we keep
[1:09:33] a vehicle on average about ten years. Any
[1:09:38] other comments or questions from counsel? I like
[1:09:42] the idea of more electric vehicles actually because
[1:09:47] we're in as you say, it's a small
[1:09:49] borough, you don't go that far. And I
[1:09:52] think one of the things that I've noticed
[1:09:55] is how much idling is done with a
[1:09:59] lot of the staff for no reason at
[1:10:02] all. No reason at all. Ron's car is
[1:10:04] out there right now believe. And, yeah, with
[1:10:10] the electric, take your foot off the throttle,
[1:10:13] you're not burning any gas. Absolutely. Yes. We
[1:10:16] just took delivery of a a hybrid the
[1:10:18] first one, the hybrid police SUV, right, the
[1:10:22] interceptor. So we just took delivery of that
[1:10:24] and that includes a engine shutdown. So if
[1:10:27] it's sitting, the engine is off. Sometimes when
[1:10:29] it's rotting, the engine will shut off and
[1:10:31] you'll be on battery only. We currently have
[1:10:33] right now five hybrid Fords that are run
[1:10:36] by administration. And you will I wish the
[1:10:40] chief was here because he was the best.
[1:10:42] He would get he would go a month
[1:10:44] without putting fuel in his car, because he
[1:10:47] would charge it and go forward. So, yeah.
[1:10:49] Yes, we do have we will have access
[1:10:52] to that, to hybrid vehicles and electric vehicles.
[1:10:54] We would I know it's we're probably getting
[1:10:56] too much down on the weeds here, but
[1:10:57] we would need more charging stations, I would
[1:11:00] imagine. It depends on it would depend on
[1:11:03] what vehicles we're using. For parking authority, probably
[1:11:06] we would have to get more charging stations.
[1:11:08] Right now, currently have two up top and
[1:11:10] two down the bottom, over here at 401.
[1:11:14] And so, yeah, we would need more charging
[1:11:15] stations or we could just go hybrid vehicles.
[1:11:18] Hybrid vehicles will give you a greater range
[1:11:21] also. Because like I said before, because Borough
[1:11:24] Westchester is so small, a lot of times
[1:11:25] you could just run on straight electricity and
[1:11:27] without using gasoline. Thank you. Any other questions
[1:11:32] from council? I had a couple of questions.
[1:11:35] You talked about how we're, are we exclusively
[1:11:37] for Ford right now? When I first got
[1:11:41] here, we exclusively run Ford vehicles. Initially, they
[1:11:46] said it was because we wanted one makeup
[1:11:49] car or one type of car. So, the
[1:11:51] parts, getting the parts for the vehicle. If
[1:11:53] we go with enterprise, then we don't have
[1:11:55] to worry about that because they would be
[1:11:56] in charge of the maintenance. So, we wouldn't
[1:11:58] have to worry about it. We could get
[1:11:59] a different variety of vehicle. But right now,
[1:12:01] we primarily run, if you walk around, we
[1:12:04] have Ford everything. So, we wouldn't have to
[1:12:06] do that. And because, everybody knows different manufacturers
[1:12:10] give you different things. So, where Ford might
[1:12:13] do a hybrid, maybe Toyota does it better.
[1:12:15] Okay, so something like that, yes. I love
[1:12:17] my Prius. Me And thank you for the
[1:12:23] numbers. I'm assuming this is the spreadsheet. Yes,
[1:12:27] that is it, yes. Yeah. It's pretty big.
[1:12:30] That was three days. Yeah, I can imagine.
[1:12:33] I noticed there was a lot on here,
[1:12:35] and I was curious with the coverage from
[1:12:39] enterprise, like how much of this would be
[1:12:42] covered by that $58 a month? Is that
[1:12:46] what we're trying to? Yeah, that's the right
[1:12:49] there is parts and labor for everything that
[1:12:52] we have in the borough right now. That
[1:12:55] for the last six months when I was
[1:12:56] here, that's everything that you have, every invoice
[1:12:58] that came across my desk, that's what you
[1:13:00] have in front of you. We would eliminate,
[1:13:03] well, I can tell you initially just for
[1:13:05] the eight vehicles right now, in the last
[1:13:07] six months, we spent about $5,000 on just
[1:13:10] the eight vehicles that we wanna replace. So
[1:13:12] that would increase, because that was just an
[1:13:14] initial eight, we would do more than that
[1:13:16] over the long term. But yeah, that was
[1:13:18] just initially. So, a lot of that, unfortunately
[1:13:21] is for our heavy trucks also, and our
[1:13:24] heavy trucks, they take a lot. So, and
[1:13:27] then also enterprise would allow us to just
[1:13:29] concentrate on heavy trucks and not split between
[1:13:32] the two. And on this list, I noticed
[1:13:35] there was like fire department equipment from fire
[1:13:38] line and There's nothing you can do about
[1:13:40] the fire department. Right. If you want to
[1:13:41] know honestly, fire department, your police department are
[1:13:44] going to be the biggest expenses. The fire
[1:13:46] trucks are just, they're just big and they
[1:13:48] cost unfortunately. And the parts for fire trucks
[1:13:51] are just expensive because they're a specialty item.
[1:13:54] Right. So, they're going to be expensive. Absolutely.
[1:13:56] So, it's a lot of the fire trucks.
[1:13:57] And unfortunately, they don't enterprise doesn't rent fire
[1:14:00] don't need those. But as the fire trucks
[1:14:03] get older, as in any vehicle, the cost
[1:14:06] is going to go up for maintenance. Right.
[1:14:08] Yes. Okay. And I was actually blown away
[1:14:13] with the amount of stuff that was in
[1:14:14] here. So, with like, I'm looking at a
[1:14:17] caliber collision, that was a pretty big part
[1:14:20] of the '91. Well, unfortunately, accidents do happen,
[1:14:22] so, Yeah, that kind of costs a lot.
[1:14:25] Right. Yes. Is enterprise going to cover that?
[1:14:28] That's still under our insurance. Okay. Yeah, we
[1:14:31] still cover that, yes. And there's like car
[1:14:33] washes, Verizon GPS, towing, I'm all assuming would
[1:14:37] not fall under enterprise as well. No, those
[1:14:40] are just basic things that we will still
[1:14:41] cover. Okay. Towing and car wash. So, a
[1:14:44] lot of the 91,000 every six months will
[1:14:47] still be responsible for under enterprise. But here's
[1:14:51] the thing, you wouldn't be responsible because the
[1:14:52] cars are new and they wouldn't need that
[1:14:54] much. Much. So that will fall down. Not
[1:14:57] that it won't, I don't think you'll get
[1:14:59] a, we only talk at eight initial vehicles.
[1:15:01] So you won't get a big chunk off
[1:15:03] the but a lot of that will go
[1:15:05] down because we won't have to, because they're
[1:15:07] newer cars and you just got the maintenance
[1:15:09] on newer cars. It's not that extensive. Right.
[1:15:23] Yes. We're not leasing those. No. Likes to
[1:16:54] say this, but in fewer mechanics, potentially, you
[1:16:56] would need. Something to add to that too,
[1:17:29] something that we've been noticing with especially in
[1:17:32] the municipal space, is as vehicles are getting
[1:17:34] newer, they're getting much more sophisticated. So, far
[1:17:37] as diagnostic equipment and the investment that's required
[1:17:39] to have that in house for some of
[1:17:41] the light duty fleet, it's a large expenditure
[1:17:43] in order to invest in that to keep
[1:17:45] it in house. So, a lot of folks
[1:17:47] are pushing their light duty fleet out where
[1:17:50] the more custom equipment should stay in. The
[1:17:53] cost of the equipment that communicates with the
[1:17:56] cars. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Diagnostics. Yes. Diagnostic equipment
[1:17:59] can cost anywhere from $2,500 10 thousand dollars
[1:18:02] depending on the vehicle and how much you
[1:18:04] need. So, it can get pretty pricey. Absolutely.
[1:18:06] I guess my biggest concern right now is
[1:18:14] we're not going to see what happens for
[1:18:16] another two or three years. And I'm worried
[1:18:19] if well, first, let me ask, how many
[1:18:22] cars are we planning on transit? If everything
[1:18:24] goes great, how many cars are we going
[1:18:26] to transition to the lease model? Excluding our
[1:18:29] large equipment, including your general fleet and police
[1:18:32] fleet, you have a total of 76 vehicles,
[1:18:34] according to my most recent. So, how long
[1:18:38] do you expect that to take if we
[1:18:39] start with eight now, assuming everything is great?
[1:18:42] We're going start with eight now, but again,
[1:18:44] we had talked about the maintenance and the
[1:18:45] fuel tracking. So, we're going to use that
[1:18:47] information to start to develop a proactive fleet
[1:18:51] replacement plan, because if we start to see
[1:18:53] that there are some outliers that need to
[1:18:55] be taken care of immediately, then we're going
[1:18:57] to be able to attack that on our
[1:18:59] side, provide you with a sound recommendation with
[1:19:01] all the numbers to back it up. So,
[1:19:03] it might be eight this year, it might
[1:19:05] be 10 the following year. Right. Through attrition,
[1:19:08] it's going to take time. It's going to
[1:19:09] need to make financial and operational sense. But
[1:19:12] that's where what I do for a living
[1:19:13] is I meet with clients to make sure
[1:19:15] that we're monitoring everything, it makes sense, and
[1:19:18] it's sound logic as far as proceeding to
[1:19:21] move forward. What happens in like five years,
[1:19:25] if we see that it's not really saving
[1:19:26] us any money, we decide we don't want
[1:19:28] to be part of it. I get we're
[1:19:30] not locked in. I just I'm worried how
[1:19:33] much money we have in these vehicles. Like,
[1:19:35] what happens to the cars we're currently leasing
[1:19:37] if we decide it's not working? Yeah, well,
[1:19:39] at that point, you would have paid the
[1:19:41] vehicle down and that vehicle would have equity
[1:19:43] in it. So, really, you would have a
[1:19:44] couple of options. If you wanted an exit
[1:19:46] strategy, you would either turn that vehicle into
[1:19:48] us or we would sell it for you.
[1:19:50] Anything that we sell it for in excess
[1:19:51] of what's owed on it comes back to
[1:19:53] the borough. Or, you can continue to run
[1:19:55] it down until it's paid to zero and
[1:19:56] take title of it, and it's your vehicle.
[1:19:59] Or, if you decide that you want to
[1:20:01] replace the vehicle, you can replace it with
[1:20:03] us and roll the gains into a new
[1:20:04] one. So, you really have those three options.
[1:20:08] But five years in, what you're going to
[1:20:09] start to see is you're going to be
[1:20:10] getting out of newer vehicles and you're going
[1:20:12] to start to see much higher proceeds from
[1:20:14] the sale of those vehicles that's going to
[1:20:16] offset your fleet budget moving forward. That's going
[1:20:19] be a big piece of the pie that
[1:20:20] we're missing today, so the savings is going
[1:20:21] to be sustainable long term. And then, an
[1:20:23] exit strategy will be an upfront cost for
[1:20:26] us. An exit I'm sorry. Say that If
[1:20:29] we were to pursue an exit strategy, there
[1:20:31] would be, I'd imagine, a sizable upfront cost
[1:20:33] for that? Cost? No. No. Not like a
[1:20:36] fee or anything like that, but for us
[1:20:38] to be able to operate with vehicles because
[1:20:43] Well, if you are five years in and
[1:20:45] you have all of these vehicles that are
[1:20:47] at different points within their term, we're going
[1:20:49] to make sure that it makes sense to
[1:20:51] either extend it, run it down to zero
[1:20:53] and take title, or you could pay it
[1:20:55] off, take title, or you could turn it
[1:20:58] in and take the proceeds. And then, you
[1:21:00] just go off and you buy vehicles the
[1:21:01] way you normally would. Right. Okay. And that's
[1:21:03] a sixty month agreement as of now? Determined
[1:21:06] that sixty months would make the most sense
[1:21:08] given your current mileage application, yes. Sure. Okay.
[1:21:13] For municipal clients who you personally work with?
[1:21:18] In Pennsylvania or in general? Okay. In Pennsylvania,
[1:21:23] I work with the County Of Chester. So,
[1:21:25] I handle the entire 300 vehicles that they
[1:21:28] have under their umbrella, whether that's the sheriffs,
[1:21:30] the detectives, the public works, adult probation, etcetera.
[1:21:33] It's kind of like they're all a bunch
[1:21:34] of mini ones. But also, work with Camden
[1:21:37] County Prosecutor's Office. I work with a whole
[1:21:39] bunch of townships that are out in New
[1:21:41] Jersey, Woolwich Township, Logan Township, Borough of Lindenwald.
[1:21:46] We're actually in conversations now with Borough Of
[1:21:48] Pine Hill and Borough Of Berlin. The word's
[1:21:51] starting to travel that because there's always going
[1:21:53] to be a limit in the budget, and
[1:21:56] there's always going to be a need for
[1:21:57] vehicles, that leasing's going to make more sense
[1:22:00] in order to replace more with less cash
[1:22:02] out. Have you ever had one of your
[1:22:04] municipal clients cancel one of these types of
[1:22:08] contracts? I have not. I have a comment.
[1:22:16] I've heard the police fleet referenced several times
[1:22:20] here this evening, and I hear for the
[1:22:22] record that as the police department has agreed
[1:22:25] with mister Perrone, two things, that there will
[1:22:28] be no police vehicles subject to this agreement
[1:22:31] at this time. Okay. And there will be
[1:22:34] no police vehicles subject to the enterprise maintenance
[1:22:37] packet. We have not had sufficient discussion about
[1:22:40] how this could work with our specialized cars.
[1:22:44] I agree. Susans meaning the detective's cars? Is
[1:23:08] that your understanding, lieutenants? About a month ago,
[1:23:17] we had a discussion in this very room
[1:23:19] about this and we were told the police
[1:23:20] vehicles would be off the table for right
[1:23:23] now. We're open to having discussions about detective
[1:23:27] vehicles and administrative vehicles. We feel strongly that
[1:23:32] the police fleet itself, the marked police vehicles,
[1:23:36] are not going to be cost effective for
[1:23:39] a lease style program. We're very willing to
[1:23:41] sit down and talk about the administrative fleet
[1:23:44] and the detective fleet, which I believe would
[1:23:47] come up to about eight vehicles. We love
[1:23:51] the idea, but that's going to take some
[1:23:52] time to prepare, Chief Bond's, data that he
[1:23:57] had collected because at the time a year
[1:23:58] ago, it did not make sense for the
[1:24:01] police department. Myself and Lieutenant Deegan are more
[1:24:04] than willing to sit down back at the
[1:24:06] table and open this discussion again. We think
[1:24:08] it's worthwhile, but we've had no time to
[1:24:11] prepare for There's definitely some unique considerations, even
[1:24:14] with the non patrol we've talked about. Yes.
[1:24:19] Yes. And so, I would ask everyone and
[1:24:23] I would ask counsel to be sure that
[1:24:25] vote this evening that you exclude all police
[1:24:28] vehicles from this agreement and from the maintenance
[1:24:32] package until and unless we can sit down
[1:24:36] with the police department and really work through
[1:24:39] this together. No. No. And I don't think
[1:24:49] we had the eight or 10, whatever you
[1:24:52] guys were playing on this year. I don't
[1:24:54] think there were any police vehicles in there
[1:24:55] except the one detectives. Right, it was one
[1:24:59] It was one detective. Detective, one year 20
[1:25:02] years old. One year old Crown Victoria that
[1:25:05] was put on the list. But that's a
[1:25:07] very old car that's, you know. To leave
[1:25:10] it anyway, right? Yeah, I still like to
[1:25:12] not have it in here until we can
[1:25:15] talk and be sure that we're all comfortable
[1:25:18] and that the needs of the department are
[1:25:20] met. That hasn't happened, and that makes me
[1:25:23] a little uncomfortable. I don't think anyone's disagreeing
[1:25:27] on principle, but my question is more directly
[1:25:30] to take out what's not in, right? So
[1:25:34] if your request is to exclude those cars
[1:25:36] from contract, well, they're not We can always
[1:25:39] add them in next year after we have
[1:25:41] time. So my point is they're not in
[1:25:42] the contract now. So we don't That's not
[1:25:45] true. I don't see any language in here
[1:25:47] excluding them. There's also no language including them.
[1:25:52] So I don't contract requires us to replace
[1:25:57] any VA calls. I mean, we could sign
[1:26:00] the contract and never call you back, right?
[1:26:03] Yes. It would be a waste of all
[1:26:07] of our time. But we could do that.
[1:26:10] So like, to put into the contract that
[1:26:14] we won't do these vehicles I think that's
[1:26:28] fine. Don't candidly, I don't Maybe to get
[1:26:33] to where Diane wants to get to, is
[1:26:36] every year during budget season, we're going to
[1:26:39] allocate funds for leasing. When we do that,
[1:26:43] we say, okay, here's next year's game plan
[1:26:46] for vehicles, okay, counsel take a look at
[1:26:49] it. Nobody up here, I think, is going
[1:26:53] to make No, I wanted it to be
[1:26:59] clear that this is a really important discussion
[1:27:04] that needs to happen with the police department
[1:27:06] regarding all police vehicles. And, you know, before
[1:27:11] we move forward, because I heard reference to
[1:27:14] police vehicles several times this to be really
[1:27:18] clear that we have that discussion, and we
[1:27:20] have that agreement from the department before moving
[1:27:23] forward with transitioning any of the police vehicles.
[1:27:26] That's all I'm saying. I agree with Mr.
[1:27:29] Gale's position. Yeah. Yeah. Can I just say
[1:27:33] something? My understanding is that everyone agrees to
[1:27:35] that currently. With respect to those, was it
[1:27:40] eight cars? Eight. We'll figure that out later.
[1:27:43] They're not required to be included in the
[1:27:46] contract at We signed this tomorrow. We don't
[1:27:51] have to. Could I? Should I call for
[1:28:00] a motion? Do I have Oh, I'm sorry,
[1:28:03] Mr. Scott. Didn't know you had a question.
[1:28:16] Here it is. Where is the language concerning
[1:28:22] the Could I clarify just the contract? Leash
[1:28:35] of vehicles. How are you? The contract, just
[1:28:41] to clarify, the contract is not tied to
[1:28:44] specific vehicles, numbers of vehicles, quantity of vehicles.
[1:28:48] The contract applies to whatever vehicles ultimately the
[1:28:52] borough decides to put on a lease. If
[1:28:55] that is one vehicle, then all the terms
[1:28:58] and agreements would apply to that with the
[1:29:01] years. The verbiage in the contract will relate
[1:29:07] back to a quote in a vehicle schedule,
[1:29:10] which is vehicle specific. So it's an overriding
[1:29:14] general agreement that applies individually to the different
[1:29:17] vehicles. There's there's no language stating that you
[1:29:33] have to send us anything. If you do
[1:29:35] decide to execute and order a vehicle, then
[1:29:39] this contract applies to that specific vehicle. So
[1:29:43] if you exclude, which I would agree with,
[1:29:45] if the police vehicles haven't been fully vetted,
[1:29:49] then certainly due diligence, we can help you.
[1:29:51] And ultimately, if you get comfortable with that,
[1:29:54] fantastic. If it doesn't make sense, fantastic for
[1:29:57] you. Yes. If you lease a vehicle, go
[1:30:12] over the payment schedules that they have to
[1:30:15] remain insured, the use of the vehicles, those
[1:30:18] types of things. It's only those vehicles which
[1:30:21] we request? Yes. Framework under which Yes. Jason,
[1:30:37] our fleet manager, easiest thing to do is
[1:30:45] during the budget season, we come in and
[1:30:46] say, here's money allocated for leasing, and Burke
[1:30:52] Council can approve that. Number of vehicles go
[1:30:57] up and down every year based on the
[1:30:58] age of the vehicle. This year, if we're
[1:31:07] going to choose any vehicles to do this
[1:31:08] to before budget 2021, ask that we bring
[1:31:13] that through. We got lots of vehicles in
[1:31:16] here that we do. Yeah. I I would
[1:31:18] strongly if because I really don't think we
[1:31:23] want that thing. Sell it to somebody so
[1:31:26] that every time I drive past it I
[1:31:28] think it's a police officer and I stop
[1:31:29] at this point. And we may be to
[1:31:32] may be able to replace that with another
[1:31:33] vehicle, you know, from another department, but we
[1:31:36] surely want to get. And if Right. Under
[1:31:51] this rubric, sounds like that would be Yes,
[1:32:10] I agree. And we can work that out
[1:32:12] together and ensure that the budget that we
[1:32:16] present to council is set. Sounds good. Thank
[1:32:25] you. Mr. Allen has a couple moments. Oh,
[1:32:29] you woke up. I took a brief intermission.
[1:32:34] I'll be quick. I was just curious where
[1:32:41] so for the numbers that were calculated based
[1:32:43] on what we do now, there were three
[1:32:45] numbers. I wasn't sure where they came from.
[1:32:47] The one was that we budget $1,200 a
[1:32:51] year for preventative maintenance, the downtime from maintenance
[1:32:55] costs, the administrative costs. I was wondering where
[1:32:58] those numbers came from? This is I think
[1:33:02] that's our existing vehicles. I think we buy
[1:33:04] extended warranty, but not the state. We dollars
[1:33:11] 3,600 for a three year or five year.
[1:33:15] Yeah, basically all our vehicles come with extended,
[1:33:17] we buy all our vehicles from CoStar's with
[1:33:19] extended warranties. So, we outsource at that point,
[1:33:23] all our vehicles have extended warranties from the
[1:33:25] parking to all the way up to our
[1:33:28] trash trucks. So, every vehicle that we buy
[1:33:29] gets an extended warranty. That's the $1,200 Okay,
[1:33:34] Sure. And then, I was just wondering about
[1:33:36] the administrative costs, what that was in reference
[1:33:39] to. So, in addition to the warranties, there
[1:33:42] was also the cost of your parts here
[1:33:45] today. We excluded the cost of labor. Obviously,
[1:33:47] there would still be a need for labor,
[1:33:49] but just the cost of parts, that in
[1:33:51] tandem with the warranty, we said, okay, let's
[1:33:54] average that out over the fleet. About $100
[1:33:57] a month is where we came out to
[1:33:58] be. The administrative, we're going be taking a
[1:34:01] lot of the tracking off of your plate.
[1:34:04] So, we wanted to put a dollar figure
[1:34:05] to say how much of what you're doing
[1:34:07] today requires payroll that we can take that
[1:34:11] off of your plate. So, that's where that
[1:34:14] number came from. It was more exercise that
[1:34:16] we ran to see, well, we're acting as
[1:34:18] your fleet management department. What are some things
[1:34:21] that you don't need to worry about from
[1:34:23] an administrative standpoint? And then, the downtime for
[1:34:26] maintenance, that's it's lower in the lease arrangement
[1:34:29] than ours. I'm assuming that's because the turnaround
[1:34:31] time is faster for repair? Yes. Okay. That
[1:34:34] makes sense. And then, I heard a number.
[1:34:38] I can't remember exactly what it was for
[1:34:39] our total savings for ten years, like what
[1:34:41] that was projected to be? It's projected to
[1:34:44] be roughly $39,000 a year over the course
[1:34:47] of the next ten years on average. So,
[1:34:49] we came to about 3 and $90,000 over
[1:34:52] the course of ten years, which would be
[1:34:54] 19.5% from what you're paying today, based off
[1:34:56] of the numbers that we've looked at. Great.
[1:35:01] Thank you. Else from anyone else? I guess
[1:36:01] I was just worried about the percentage of
[1:36:04] the budget, that this is actually going to
[1:36:06] save. I just worry about the risk. I
[1:36:10] like to own the things that I have
[1:36:11] outright. And that's kind of where I'm coming
[1:36:14] from here. You own a home? Do you
[1:36:18] own a home, or do you rent? I
[1:36:20] rent. I'm doing my best though. I'm really
[1:36:23] trying. It's hard here. It's so hard. You
[1:36:26] heard this I was going to say when
[1:36:29] I rent, I also rent. I feel like
[1:36:31] I have a little bit less risk because
[1:36:33] I call my landlord, but it's analogy. Sorry.
[1:36:38] I'd like to make a motion that we
[1:36:39] enter in our agreement with Enterprise Leasing to
[1:36:44] lease house works vehicles and small cars. To
[1:36:50] approve the agreement. Second. Okay. Motion by Mr.
[1:37:00] Flynn, second by Ms. Polk. Doctor. Polk, I
[1:37:03] am sorry. Okay. Any more comments? Mr. Fallon?
[1:37:11] No. Mr. Stefano? Yes. Mr. Flynn? Yes. Ms.
[1:37:16] Polk? Yes. Mr. Bracelin? Yes. Mr. Scott? Aye.
[1:37:19] Mr. Galley? Yes, the motion passes six to
[1:37:21] one. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate all
[1:37:25] your time. Thank you, Mr. Barnes. The next
[1:37:29] item is to approve the job description of
[1:37:30] the new assistant borough manager. We've been able,
[1:37:34] I think, to get this job description distilled
[1:37:38] down to one existing discussion point, which is
[1:37:42] the inclusion of a preference that the assistant
[1:37:50] borough manager either resides within 15 miles of
[1:37:53] the borough or is willing to reside within
[1:37:55] 15 miles. Did everyone get a copy? I
[1:38:05] emailed it to Mr. Scott, did you get
[1:38:07] yours? I bought one. That's exactly what we
[1:38:11] were looking for yesterday, so thank you. Sure.
[1:38:19] Do we have any additional comments about this
[1:38:23] aspect of the job description, or can't Don
[1:38:32] has a comment. Oh, not like last night.
[1:38:37] Just because I got such a bug last
[1:38:40] night about this. I called 16 other municipalities
[1:38:46] today, and none of them have residency requirements.
[1:38:50] Actually, a couple of people told me that
[1:38:53] they would not want to live where they
[1:38:55] were working for security reasons. However, one place
[1:39:00] does, Spring City, but they don't really enforce
[1:39:04] it all that stringently. But I just mentioned
[1:39:08] that because I spent an hour and a
[1:39:09] half calling all those places, that's why. We're
[1:39:11] always But otherwise, I don't have a problem
[1:39:13] with the way this is worded. Is anybody
[1:39:17] willing to make a motion? I make a
[1:39:19] motion. The job description as written. As written.
[1:39:26] Second. Motion by Mr. Flynn, seconded by Mr.
[1:39:29] Bracelin. Mr. Swallow? Yes. Swallow? Yes. Yes. Yes.
[1:39:35] Yes. Aye. Yes. The motion passes seven-zero. Thank
[1:39:40] you very much for all of your hard
[1:39:41] work. Thank you. Griffin, two more. I love.
[1:39:45] The next item was asked to be put
[1:39:47] on discussion by Mr. Scott, which is approval
[1:39:51] of the PICO pole attachment agreement. Mr. Scott
[1:39:57] sent us all some pictures today of some
[1:40:00] telephone poles. Well, if you want the GreenLake
[1:41:37] GO and the traffic signals all to be
[1:41:39] tied together, yes. We need the agreement for
[1:41:42] the GreenLakeGo grant application and the work to
[1:41:46] continue. For the sake of our product lines,
[1:41:48] we've got to approve this, right? I mean,
[1:41:53] I'll be more than happy to delve into
[1:41:56] some of this spaghetti. It kind of would
[1:41:58] look better with red sauce on it though,
[1:42:00] I think. And I'm not 100% sure if
[1:42:07] Verizon and these other carriers, if all under
[1:42:13] the PUC? We got to find out. That's
[1:42:18] the theory that I gave the answer to
[1:42:21] everyone. Those wires you see up there, none
[1:42:23] of them have hot power into them. They're
[1:42:25] all cable. They're all AT and T, old
[1:42:28] phone lines. They're booster boxes, and they're leftover
[1:42:33] cable as you can see, you know, like
[1:42:35] a ribbon. You can't get hurt from any
[1:42:38] of them because I touch them all the
[1:42:39] time because my roof is just next to
[1:42:41] it. And I cut away as many as
[1:42:43] I can. Oh yeah, I do. Yeah. And
[1:42:47] then when the Comcast guy comes, I tell
[1:42:49] him, I said, you know, run it underground.
[1:42:52] A little giant at home if you want
[1:42:53] to take care of this. Yeah, but that,
[1:42:56] as I said to Mr. Perrone, I'm not
[1:42:57] sure whether they're like the pipeline over in
[1:43:01] West Ocean, whether they're protected under the PUC
[1:43:04] regulations or the FCC, I don't know. Fine,
[1:43:08] I'll take a look and see if we
[1:43:11] can. Think what we're doing. Some clarification on
[1:43:13] who is responsible. I mean, unfortunately, agree with
[1:43:19] Bill, it does look rather horrific and it's
[1:43:21] kind of everywhere, not just here. Yeah, definitely.
[1:43:43] I think what we're talking about are two
[1:43:44] different things, right? One is, can we do
[1:43:48] anything to clean this up generally? The other
[1:43:50] is, do we want to have an agreement
[1:43:53] wherein PECO allows us to use their telephone
[1:43:56] poles to run cables so that people can
[1:43:58] get from my house to 202 more quickly?
[1:44:03] I have a vested interest in. I move
[1:44:06] the approval of she. Second. Second that. Motion
[1:44:11] by Mr. Scott, second by Mr. Stefano. Mr.
[1:44:15] Mellon? Mr. Stefano. Mr. Flynn. Yes. Ms. Polk.
[1:44:20] Yes. Mr. Bracelin. Yes. Mr. Schiller. Aye. Mr.
[1:44:23] Guehle. Yes. The motion passes seven zero. The
[1:44:26] next item on the Before we go to
[1:44:27] next item, can I Sure? So all I'm
[1:44:47] suggesting is that mister Burham start the whole
[1:44:51] world. And We'll actually be here next month.
[1:44:59] Council next month, delivering a message about tearing
[1:45:03] up the downtown again. So we'll have his
[1:45:07] undivided attention. Seems like we can show him
[1:45:20] the pictures next month. On to the approval
[1:45:27] of the revised Borough Of Westchester personnel policy.
[1:45:31] We didn't much discuss this last night because
[1:45:33] it was asked to be placed on that.
[1:45:41] Do Do you have any comments or concerns?
[1:45:45] I guess my two things I was worried
[1:45:48] about was first, we were talking about eliminating
[1:45:51] breaks for borough employees. I guess, is it
[1:45:55] technically one before and after lunch? Is that
[1:45:57] how it's structured? That's the way traditionally it's
[1:45:59] been, yes. Yeah. It was two fifty minute
[1:46:01] breaks and then, I was a little concerned
[1:46:04] about the vacation policy update as well. Agree
[1:46:08] over. Yes. Yes. What's your concern about it
[1:46:11] specifically? I was wondering if it actually addressed
[1:46:17] the issue that it was trying to solve,
[1:46:20] Cause it was too many people were saving
[1:46:24] their days and then who would want to
[1:46:25] take them at the same time? Is that
[1:46:27] That's a concern for quite a few of
[1:46:29] the departments. You have to understand that the
[1:46:31] people that are here have been here for
[1:46:33] a number of years, so the majority have
[1:46:35] four, five, six weeks vacation. So in in
[1:46:39] an effort to help that, if you take
[1:46:40] forty hours over to the following year, if
[1:46:43] you have to use it by March 31,
[1:46:45] at least that's been used. They're already getting
[1:46:48] another four, five, or six for that year,
[1:46:51] so that would add an additional week. So
[1:46:53] if you can use it that week, at
[1:46:54] least by March 31, that would help, you
[1:46:58] know, in scheduling, because we have to make
[1:47:00] sure, you know, departments are manned as they
[1:47:04] need to be. So that was the reasoning
[1:47:07] behind that. But that would be that doesn't
[1:47:09] solve everything, but it certainly does help in
[1:47:12] scheduling. Is there a process now for scheduling
[1:47:16] vacations that is consistent among different departments or?
[1:47:20] The department heads, the managers, directors schedule it,
[1:47:23] you know, as they as they can, so
[1:47:26] that the departments are adequately manned. But no,
[1:47:29] there's not one consistent way to do it
[1:47:32] across all departments. But we leave that to
[1:47:34] the department. The number of people in each
[1:47:36] department vary. At least in the building department,
[1:47:42] and other departments that I've been here for
[1:47:44] thirty some years, The number of folks in
[1:47:48] the tasks that need to be done, schedule
[1:47:51] their vacations accordingly. As far as I know,
[1:47:56] ever been, I think the only time I've
[1:47:58] ever had an issue was scheduling someone's And
[1:48:17] And she wanted to take a week's vacation.
[1:48:17] she getting married two and a half months.
[1:48:21] Probationary period was up, and she wouldn't get
[1:48:40] When? She just didn't get paid. Why do
[1:48:44] we need to update the policy then? Because
[1:48:46] currently, from department heads, transferring two weeks over
[1:48:51] to the difficulties in in the bigger departments.
[1:49:07] And in addition to that, it's important, if
[1:49:10] you look at studies, it's important that people
[1:49:12] take their vacation. It makes them better employees,
[1:49:15] less stress, better for the the borough as
[1:49:18] well. So sometimes we have to help in
[1:49:20] that effort because people are so, you know,
[1:49:23] I can't take this, I gotta be here.
[1:49:25] So, we can help in that. If we
[1:49:27] can say at least forty hours of your
[1:49:29] six, five or six weeks, we want you
[1:49:31] to take it within the first quarter. And
[1:49:34] that, you know, we, I think we'll see
[1:49:36] some benefit for the employees and for the
[1:49:38] borough. The amount of vacation time though, right?
[1:49:42] Well, we're taking forty hours over as opposed
[1:49:44] to eighty. Of the same total amount of
[1:49:47] vacation? Yes. Carryovers, you're asking. They can carry
[1:49:51] over half of what they used to if
[1:49:53] we passed this. Nobody's losing vacation time. No,
[1:49:57] I get that. It's it's less flexible. Right?
[1:50:00] It's that that's kind of how I'm seeing
[1:50:03] it. It's not well, you might look at
[1:50:05] it that way, but it's more therapeutic. I
[1:50:07] look at it that way. It's your perspective.
[1:50:11] Okay. More therapeutic than the mean that when
[1:50:16] people take their vacation time, they're less stressed.
[1:50:20] At the committee work session meeting I had
[1:50:23] a question whether having it, at least initially,
[1:50:28] made more sense than perhaps instead of going
[1:50:33] from 80 to 40, going from 80 to
[1:50:35] 60 and see how that works. And we
[1:50:38] can always then change that later, would be
[1:50:42] one option, and see how the employees feel
[1:50:46] about it. And then the other thing that
[1:50:47] we noted, and I don't know if it's
[1:50:49] in the policy, but everybody said it would
[1:50:51] be assumed that no matter what we adopted,
[1:50:55] if there was a change to that, that
[1:50:57] it would be effective 2021, not this year.
[1:51:02] If we carried over eighty hours under last
[1:51:05] year's policy, they would still get those. Absolutely.
[1:51:08] We're not going to delete forty hours, but
[1:51:10] carrying over next year to forty hours, everybody
[1:51:13] I have to use all of that time,
[1:51:15] say forty this year. And I think your
[1:51:17] point very well made because there are a
[1:51:19] lot of companies actually pushing to I'll be
[1:51:35] in a better mood next month. It's too
[1:51:37] early to be time off. Can't wait for
[1:51:42] summer, you know. It's foreign to me that
[1:51:45] I'll wait a couple of years, what? I'm
[1:51:47] taking my vacations out. Yeah, mean, I only
[1:51:50] get two personal days a year, so I
[1:51:53] don't have the flexibility. True. Where you have
[1:51:56] to rearrange your lessons and things like that,
[1:51:58] and summer when you're not really under a
[1:52:00] contract. Yes, sure. FYI. I love it. It
[1:52:07] helps a lot. So what about the again,
[1:52:11] have two different issues. One is the amount
[1:52:13] of time that's being carried over and the
[1:52:15] second is the requirement that it be used
[1:52:16] by a particular matter. The second issue? It's
[1:52:28] requiring it be used by the NMA. Yeah,
[1:52:29] I mean, you're the I'd be able to
[1:52:36] do that. Fair labor standards probably would not
[1:52:37] allow us to banks if we allowed it
[1:52:41] from January, at January 1. I would. I
[1:52:44] mean, if you said, if your policy says,
[1:52:48] you can carry over forty hours, but those
[1:52:51] forty must be used by March 31, and
[1:52:54] that on April. The federal or state law
[1:53:04] would prohibit. When it comes vacation time, the
[1:53:19] state law just enforces what the preexisting is
[1:53:24] at the bar, which is why we wouldn't
[1:53:25] take anything away. But going forward, we could
[1:53:28] absolutely enforce that and say, hey, didn't use
[1:53:30] it, sorry, we told you. Can certainly make
[1:53:35] a motion to is not to have that
[1:53:39] provision effective. I think it would help too,
[1:53:46] because I've had, somebody already carried over two
[1:53:50] weeks, you know. Absolutely. We have a lot
[1:54:01] of folks, I mean this is I guess
[1:54:02] more for the department. Amend any piece of
[1:54:15] that? It would be I mean, Potentially changing
[1:54:32] the date. It doesn't have to be at
[1:54:35] the end of a quarter even, could it
[1:54:37] be May 1 or I would just say
[1:54:41] eliminate that entirely. What if we just reduced
[1:54:44] it to a forty hour carryover and eliminating
[1:54:48] it to be used by that time? So,
[1:54:51] you you get to keep that forty hours.
[1:54:54] I suspect that that's really a that if
[1:54:56] someone's not taking that time in that timeframe,
[1:54:59] that there's a good reason for it, that
[1:55:01] the operational needs restrict that. Well, do mean,
[1:55:06] that's fine, but I do hear from some
[1:55:08] of the directors as we're getting into October,
[1:55:11] November, December that people who have not taken
[1:55:13] their vacation, everybody's trying to get it in.
[1:55:16] So I think It's only and you're only
[1:55:19] restricted on your carryover hours Exactly. Those four
[1:55:21] hours. That's not all the hours you have.
[1:55:23] It's just in the carryover. I mean, I'm
[1:55:25] fine leaving it as it is, but Like
[1:55:29] to see our employees be able to carry
[1:55:31] over all of their two weeks. We'll use
[1:55:35] it when they'd like. What's the current language?
[1:55:38] What's the date that you have in there
[1:55:39] now for the personnel policy that they have
[1:55:41] to use it by? The first quarter? For
[1:55:43] the proposed policy? Yes. By March 31. March
[1:55:46] '30 first. First The forty hours by March
[1:55:49] 31. But see again, in January they're getting,
[1:55:54] you know, all of their vacation for the
[1:55:55] new year. So. You've been here, I forget
[1:56:00] what the numbers are, but past Like, four,
[1:56:04] four weeks. After fourteen years, you get five.
[1:56:07] Five weeks. Plus five personal days. You're in
[1:56:10] the five week, You get six weeks starting
[1:56:13] January 1 if you carry 40 over. Like
[1:56:29] you don't get your six week or four
[1:56:30] weeks before you start to accrue throughout the
[1:56:33] year, correct? Like if you were to leave
[1:56:35] tomorrow, like you don't You may not have
[1:56:42] earned it for the year, but you We
[1:56:44] can take the year. Thoroughly your last paycheck
[1:56:47] would Reflect that, yeah. Aim back the vacation
[1:56:50] time. All right, your next, let's move on
[1:56:56] to the second issue, which was the fifteen
[1:56:57] minute wait. I mean, I think any rules
[1:57:02] like this, I think are really made for
[1:57:07] situations where you have and I'm not saying
[1:57:09] we do, but if you were to have
[1:57:11] a boss that was an issue, that you
[1:57:14] didn't feel like they were handling your workday
[1:57:17] in a fair, equitable way, that you would
[1:57:19] have protection to take a break when you
[1:57:22] needed it. And I'm not saying that's the
[1:57:24] case now, because from what you said last
[1:57:26] week, it sounds like employees have the opportunity
[1:57:29] to take their breaks as needed, and it's
[1:57:31] not a problem. If somehow a new department
[1:57:36] head were to take over with a demanding
[1:57:39] leadership style and someone needed that fifteen minute
[1:57:41] break, I'd like them to be protected by
[1:57:43] the personnel help. Then I'd I'd step in
[1:57:45] on that one. They'd be protected. No worries.
[1:57:49] Then I'd just like to see it codified
[1:57:51] then. Yeah. I wouldn't. In the policy. Yeah.
[1:57:54] I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with Nick's slightly
[1:57:56] in that. I agree that eliminating a specific
[1:57:59] rate is actually to everyone's benefit for a
[1:58:03] number of reasons. The first being, as the
[1:58:07] employee, working, and it was 09:30, and everybody
[1:58:20] started working again. And that's great, unless I
[1:58:23] had to go to the bathroom at 10:15.
[1:58:27] If that was the case, then I was
[1:58:28] waiting until 11:30. Please stop. You know, you're
[1:58:35] waiting until 11:30 to solve that problem, or
[1:58:37] you get a call from your mother or
[1:58:39] your wife or whomever, have to wait for
[1:58:42] that as the employee. So putting a more
[1:58:44] flexible break period is actually better for the
[1:58:47] employee, to your point, that they don't have
[1:58:50] somebody chasing them around the building asking where
[1:58:52] they are, that is why Karen is here.
[1:58:58] Absolutely. I guess that's not really how I
[1:59:00] imagined it working here, was that you got
[1:59:02] to pick when your fifteen minutes was. Well,
[1:59:04] let me explain. It it's really the mindset,
[1:59:08] and we have to take, you know, those
[1:59:11] of us who have just come on board
[1:59:12] and those of of those of us who
[1:59:13] are who have been here for a long
[1:59:15] time, we have to look at the way
[1:59:16] things are going on if if changes need
[1:59:18] to be made. I can tell you, in
[1:59:21] the mornings, people come in maybe around 09:00,
[1:59:24] nine fifteen, nine thirty, people go down to
[1:59:26] the kitchen, make a cup of coffee or
[1:59:28] whatever, they don't consider that a break. That's
[1:59:31] part of the regular day. But then when
[1:59:34] it gets to 10:00 and I want my
[1:59:36] fifteen minutes, that's the problem that that I
[1:59:40] it's an entitlement. It's in my head that
[1:59:42] I get fifteen minutes. Never mind the fact
[1:59:44] that I went and spent ten minutes. I
[1:59:46] popped over to Barbara. How was your weekend?
[1:59:48] What'd you do this weekend? You're getting your
[1:59:51] time. You're getting your breaks. But then you're
[1:59:53] gonna get another fifteen minutes just because in
[1:59:56] your mind, you're that's allotted to you. You're
[1:59:59] entitled to that break. So what I'm trying
[2:00:01] to explain is people are getting their time.
[2:00:04] It's just that they don't need to carve
[2:00:06] it out in addition to what they're already
[2:00:08] getting another fifteen minutes, and a fifteen minutes
[2:00:11] in the afternoon, because you're doing that all
[2:00:13] during the day. You've got the flexibility to
[2:00:15] get up, go talk to somebody, go stretch
[2:00:17] your legs. So that's that's the issue. How
[2:00:20] a professional workplace is supposed to You don't
[2:00:26] want your managers to be running around also
[2:00:30] and saying, Hey, why are you in the
[2:00:32] coffee room? Took I saw you took fifteen
[2:00:35] minute break between ten and 10:15. I mean,
[2:00:38] that is just It would get horrible. But
[2:00:41] here's what happens is, we see this particularly
[2:00:44] with employees who smoke, is that they go
[2:00:48] out and they take a cigarette break every
[2:00:50] five minutes It takes somebody with five minutes
[2:00:52] every hour, and they take their fifteen minute
[2:00:54] break, and then the manager's on somebody else
[2:00:57] for taking more time, and they're saying, well,
[2:01:00] Sally goes out and smokes every day for
[2:01:03] this and you end up as a manager
[2:01:09] feeling like a babysitter, going around and chasing
[2:01:12] people around to figure out when they took
[2:01:14] breaks, or the only alternate solution is to
[2:01:17] just not care, which is also not an
[2:01:19] efficient way to run an office. So the
[2:01:22] goal by not calculating the amount of time
[2:01:27] that people take off is to evaluate folks
[2:01:30] on their actual performance, not on whether they
[2:01:33] were sitting in a particular space at a
[2:01:34] particular time. Just to make sure that as
[2:01:40] an employee who's not doing well, then that
[2:01:45] should be addressed. Hey, you didn't get this
[2:01:47] to me on time. Maybe it's because you're
[2:01:50] outside every fifteen minutes, or, you know, maybe
[2:01:52] it's because you drink 17 cups of coffee
[2:01:54] a day, or you're at the water, you
[2:01:56] know, whatever the case may be. And again,
[2:02:00] the whole fifteen minute in the morning and
[2:02:02] fifteen minute in the afternoon, that was originally
[2:02:06] and probably still does happen in warehouses or
[2:02:09] factories, places where you don't have the flexibility
[2:02:13] to move. I know I worked in one,
[2:02:15] I was a supervisor at a brewery, and
[2:02:18] when you're those blinds are running, when that
[2:02:20] Budweiser and Bud Light and everything is coming
[2:02:22] down the line, you're standing there and whatever
[2:02:25] your function is, you do it. You don't
[2:02:27] have time to go get a cup of
[2:02:28] coffee or go chat with anybody. You do
[2:02:31] it until it's time for you to take
[2:02:32] your break. And then the line will stop.
[2:02:35] You go take your break, come back, and
[2:02:36] you punch out. You punch back in, start
[2:02:40] back up, and then you go again. So
[2:02:42] those people that are in those types of
[2:02:43] jobs don't have the flexibility that we do
[2:02:46] here. I think we just need to start
[2:02:48] treating people like adults and they need to
[2:02:50] take responsibility. On the flip side of that,
[2:02:52] you know what, You don't get to take
[2:02:54] a fifteen minute break today because you've got
[2:02:56] something that you need to do for your
[2:02:58] work, then you need to do that. All
[2:03:01] of you, I'm sure, have done that. You
[2:03:03] don't always get to take what you need,
[2:03:05] you know, the break at the time or
[2:03:07] the day or whatever. On the flip side,
[2:03:10] all of us have also had days where
[2:03:12] it's like, oh crap, it's 11:00, I should
[2:03:14] probably get some stuff done. That's your Exactly.
[2:03:19] I will say is I have never drafted
[2:03:22] a policy for a professional workplace that would
[2:03:26] implement a specific time period for break time.
[2:03:31] Lunch time can be a different story depending
[2:03:33] upon the work. I've never seen, been involved
[2:03:38] in litigation. A policy that said to a
[2:03:42] professional workplace, you have fifteen minutes at this
[2:03:47] time in the morning or this time in
[2:03:48] the afternoon. It's just Uncommon way. And then,
[2:03:54] I mean, we have department heads here, so
[2:03:56] if anybody None of them will say that
[2:04:03] they're not professional, because they can speak for
[2:04:06] themselves. But the other issue is, which we
[2:04:10] haven't talked about, the break period that people
[2:04:13] take today, and believe me, there's not a
[2:04:16] lot of people that take it, that I'm
[2:04:18] aware of. People do let smoke, but I
[2:04:21] don't know if it's fifteen minutes, five minutes,
[2:04:23] or ten minutes. Who's counting? Break period is
[2:04:29] paid time. Lunchtime is paid time that the
[2:04:36] taxpayers are paying for. That's part of the
[2:04:41] equation too. What I've seen, not here, industry,
[2:04:48] where people would, if they're entitled to fifteen
[2:04:50] in the morning, fifteen in the afternoon, but
[2:04:52] they don't take their fifteen in the morning,
[2:04:55] they add that to their lunch period. So
[2:04:57] now they get an hour and fifteen minutes,
[2:05:00] or if they don't take it in the
[2:05:01] afternoon, they leave early. Because they figured that's
[2:05:05] my fifteen minutes because it's been, I've never
[2:05:09] seen that in industry, you know, my industry,
[2:05:16] where you're guaranteed. Work till your job is
[2:05:20] done, and you're done, you're done. So now
[2:05:30] what do we do? Well, if enough people
[2:05:35] feel that the policy is presented is sufficient,
[2:05:38] then I'd like to make a motion we
[2:05:46] accept it as it's read and print it.
[2:05:48] Tomorrow. I'm going start watching the clock when
[2:05:56] we do take our breaks. We have a
[2:06:00] motion. Do we have a second? Second. We
[2:06:03] have a follow-up question. Can I put up
[2:06:06] an amendment to remove the section on vacation
[2:06:13] carryover and the fifteen minute break set? Asking
[2:06:22] Bernie if he'll amend his motion to remove
[2:06:26] those. Oh, I won't. Mr. Allen? Mr. Sopano?
[2:06:34] Yes. Mr. Flynn? Yes. Ms. Paul? Yes. Mr.
[2:06:37] Riesling? Yes. Mr. Scott? Aye. Mr. Galley? Yes.
[2:06:42] The motion passes six to one. I got
[2:06:44] a I think it was a very long
[2:06:47] time before I was the one no vote
[2:06:49] on council. I'm being entirely serious that it
[2:06:55] takes a lot of guts to sit up
[2:06:57] here for your first full council meeting and
[2:07:00] disagree with everyone else. I am I'm drafting
[2:07:03] an email right now, apologizing for the time
[2:07:06] I just said. You can delete it. I'm
[2:07:09] going to say it. You're entitled to it.
[2:07:10] Then I know He's smarter to me as
[2:07:11] he may be right. I think he's smart.
[2:07:13] He's very smart. And there were times, because
[2:07:17] Mike uses it here, and there'd be times
[2:07:19] I'd look over at him just quietly say,
[2:07:21] You're being contrary. Maybe we should rearrange. All
[2:07:28] right, thank you. On to approve entering into
[2:07:31] a contract with Glassgoing to supply bituminous materials
[2:07:33] at a cost of Yes, and we did,
[2:07:40] I was satisfied with them today, I'd recommend
[2:07:43] the council approve Okay. Motion by Mr. Tazpano.
[2:07:55] Yes. Mr. Flynn. Yes. Polk. Yes. Mr. Bracelin.
[2:07:59] Yes. Mr. Scott. Mr. Galey. Yes. Don't get
[2:08:08] kudos. The next item is the consent agenda.
[2:08:14] Oh yeah, consent. Are we going to cover,
[2:08:17] Mr. Gallo, excuse me. We missed Parks and
[2:08:22] Rec last night. The update for was not
[2:08:25] on here. Counsel, the update on the summer
[2:08:30] parks program. Oh, you know what? Can we
[2:08:32] do the consent agenda and then just do
[2:08:34] that next? That should be easy. Can I
[2:08:37] get a motion on the consent agenda? I
[2:08:39] move. Right. Mr. Allen moves to accept the
[2:08:42] consent agenda. Do I have a second? Second.
[2:08:46] Bergeron seconds. Can you call the question? Mr.
[2:08:49] Allen? Yes. Mr. Stefano? Yes. Mr. Flynn? Yes.
[2:08:51] Ms. Polk? Yes. Mr. Bracelin? Yes. Mr. Scott?
[2:08:54] Yes. Mr. Gellan? Yes. Thank you. All right.
[2:08:57] Thank you, Keith. Keith Kurowski, Director of Parks
[2:09:01] and Recreation. We discussed it at the Act
[2:09:03] Committee last week. Didn't get an exact recommendation
[2:09:07] and again wanted to present this to the
[2:09:08] entire council. Should have done it last night,
[2:09:11] kind of got passed over from the two
[2:09:13] marathons we've had. The information was there. If
[2:09:16] anyone else needs to see it in paper
[2:09:17] form, I have it here as well. It
[2:09:19] goes over the finance of our summer camp,
[2:09:21] what we're planning to do. Thanks, Keith. Thank
[2:09:26] you. You know what, I'll just pass them
[2:09:29] down. Thanks. We've been hard at work. The
[2:09:40] Melton Center and the Parks and Rec Department
[2:09:42] putting together this brand new program pretty much
[2:09:44] from scratch, of combining two programs into one.
[2:09:47] What you have is an outline in front
[2:09:48] of you that goes over the program on
[2:09:51] a summary basis and one that goes over
[2:09:53] on a financial basis. From the Act Committee
[2:09:55] last week, it seems like everyone's kind of
[2:09:57] in order and what we're looking to do.
[2:09:59] Again, we're cutting the camp program basically in
[2:10:01] half for number of children. That's based on
[2:10:03] resident numbers from the Melton Center last year
[2:10:05] and our excuse me, our residents from last
[2:10:08] year. We're rearranging the program to include more
[2:10:12] of a STEAM aspect, the science, technology, education,
[2:10:15] arts and math. So we're looking to build
[2:10:18] this program together, the Melton Center and the
[2:10:21] rec department to do what you guys asked
[2:10:23] us to do. And quite honestly, think we've
[2:10:24] done a pretty good job of laying the
[2:10:26] framework so far. Our pricing is right in
[2:10:28] line with other camps locally, especially the YMCA,
[2:10:31] which is another popular camp. Our program is
[2:10:34] eight weeks long. Theirs is ten. We are
[2:10:37] going to be working with the Y actually
[2:10:39] out of their airport row. We're going to
[2:10:41] be doing some swimming programs. On the back
[2:10:43] page of the summary, you can see that
[2:10:45] some of the other groups will be working
[2:10:46] with. And I'm just here to answer any
[2:10:49] questions you may have. We're looking to start
[2:10:51] our registrations on March 2. So I didn't
[2:10:54] want to do so without your approval. Do
[2:10:57] we have any questions for Chief? Yeah. Well,
[2:11:08] again, based on the time that I'll be
[2:11:09] putting into this new program, yes, hopefully in
[2:11:12] future years, with the way the programs will
[2:11:14] be built up. Oh, misunderstood. Oh, yeah. Not
[2:11:25] paid from that from the camp program. My
[2:11:27] apologies. No, that is a percentage of my
[2:11:28] salary based on my Okay. Unless you all
[2:11:32] would like to. Yeah. So, Yeah. So program
[2:11:37] coordinator, who's that? That's Allison Humphries. She's technically
[2:11:43] she's the event coordinator. Yeah, that's her percentage
[2:11:46] of salary. She makes less, but she puts
[2:11:49] in more time. On this particular Have you
[2:11:54] been doing this over the years? That is
[2:11:57] allocating Yes. Salary? Yes. And again, this was
[2:12:02] worked on initially from the Parks and Rec
[2:12:04] staff along with the finance department to get
[2:12:07] those numbers, those kind of unforeseen numbers, the
[2:12:11] workers' comp, the insurance, the liability, things of
[2:12:13] that nature that you don't normally see. So
[2:12:15] we did that first before we started moving
[2:12:17] into the programming aspect of things. That's when
[2:13:54] I did the cost analysis on all the
[2:13:56] events. Yeah. Well, this is, I'm assuming, what
[2:14:05] percentage of your time is spent working on
[2:14:07] this program? Exactly. Yes. And and to focus
[2:14:28] more on the residents and to add an
[2:14:31] educational aspect to the program. Or more of
[2:14:34] an education aspect, I should say. And to
[2:14:38] doing the partnership with the Dental Center, we're
[2:14:41] in position to develop programs. Which is, in
[2:14:44] all honesty, been really great. I've been working
[2:14:46] with Ken and Jamie, and we've had numerous
[2:14:49] meetings and everyone's on board. Again, trying to
[2:14:52] make this our program as a whole, not
[2:14:54] theirs and ours, but ours. I think it
[2:14:56] would be really good. Yes, Commission has been
[2:15:00] involved. Absolutely. We've been asked, they've been asked
[2:15:02] to come to every meeting we've had. We've
[2:15:04] had Chantel, we've had Joyce Neal in the
[2:15:06] chair. Unfortunately due to scheduling with the core
[2:15:10] four, most of these meetings are during the
[2:15:12] day. So a lot of the folks can't
[2:15:13] make it. Okay. Thank you. Absolutely. This is
[2:15:25] just borough residents now. There's no non as
[2:15:28] of right now, based on the numbers that
[2:15:30] we have, we're basing some two buses, 90
[2:15:32] kids. The Mountain Center had 30 to 35
[2:15:34] children. We had 40 to 45 to 50.
[2:15:37] So we're looking at 75 to 85 residents,
[2:15:40] which will only leave us enough space on
[2:15:42] the two buses for the kids and the
[2:15:44] staff. We get 100 people on the buses.
[2:15:46] So we're figuring our staff again based on
[2:15:48] what you see here, less kids, less staff.
[2:15:51] So basically just borough residents. Most definitely borough
[2:15:54] residents. I just think that was kind of
[2:16:01] a point of content. Yes. I think we
[2:16:15] need to vote on this but is there
[2:16:16] any objection to the Want to fill you
[2:16:20] all in? Keith, I think this is really
[2:16:22] good work. Cool. Thank you. Nice. Thank you.
[2:16:35] Kind of want to go to this camp.
[2:16:36] I was thinking the same thing. I was
[2:16:38] thinking I wish this was in place when
[2:16:40] my children were young. This looks great. Put
[2:16:49] that in the personnel manual. Do we have
[2:16:55] any other business from anyone here? Alright, seeing
[2:17:00] none, we are adjourned. Consentative. Consentative. Consentative. Consentative.
[2:17:07] Nice try. Council members, there are some resolutions
[2:17:11] going around. Please don't leave until you have
[2:17:13] signed those. Wish we didn't wait till to
[2:17:19] meet the best.