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Got ready?

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Okay. Good evening, okay. Welcome to West Covina City Council meeting. Today is

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December 17th, when at seven o'clock sharp, we are starting our meeting right now. Okay.

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Tonight, invocation will be led by Reverend Dr. Manson O'Cubo of the Emmanuel 1st Lucerne

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Church of West Covina, followed by a pledge of legion led by Councilman Cassiano. All

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rights, please.

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Please.

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Thank you, Mayor Wu.

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Let us pray.

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Heavenly Father, our guardian and keeper of your people, watch over the members of our

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City Council and protect them, grant them wisdom and permit them to experience the joys of

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service to a grateful people.

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Encourage cooperation from those who are served and those who serve.

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Promote all things for the good of the people of West Covina and may your will be accomplished

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among us.

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Amen.

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of

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the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation,

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, Deputy City Clerk, would you please roll a call?

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Councilman Castellanos. Here.

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Councilman Johnson. Here.

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Councilmember Shoemaker. Here.

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Mayor Pro Tem López Viado. Present.

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Mayor Wu. Here.

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Okay,

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city attorney, do you have any information, report?

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Nothing to report on, Mr. Mayor, nothing to report on.

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Okay, then we have our major tonight.

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I have two presentations.

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It's said to say goodbye for 30-year service,

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loyal and very dedicated to her job.

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Lori, would you please come up?

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I cannot believe you're so young to be working in the city for 30 years.

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I'll be asking about what kind of food you have okay, so you can provide for all the audience including residents over here

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But thank you so much for your dedication for 30 years. This is exactly a living waste Corvina for 30 years

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So the day you're working for city the day I move in

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I don't know. It's a good or bad, okay, but okay again

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Thank you so much for your service and I think not only you're working for the police department

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You're working for the fire department, too, right

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so let's have our police chief and the fire chief come up maybe you guys want to

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say something great and good I hope so so I let you start it okay chief perfect

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you're gonna give me the mic all right how much time you guys have wow 30 years

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of service first of all I'd like to say thank all of you for being here say

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say good evening to you 30 years of service I want to say Laurie has her

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her husband her family both her children are here to support her but I can

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honestly tell you that this is a joyous day in a sad day especially for me Laurie

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is absolutely a wonderful dispatcher matter fact can I have her supervisor

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Kim can you just come stand right here with me please the reason I have Kim

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come up here is because you know Kim has been with Laurie probably as as long

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as anybody but they work separate from the police department in a different

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building and no one knows her better than Kim but there is some things I want to

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say to you Laurie. Let me just tell you a little bit about her. She started in 1990

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she got promoted to senior supervisor and I mean senior operator and then

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supervisor but more importantly she's a three-time employee of the year for

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dispatchers isn't that wonderful.

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You know when I first got here which was

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seems like a long time ago the dispatchers and the police they

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they didn't do briefings in the same room.

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So we only knew our dispatcher's by voice.

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And I'm just going to tell you she's got a very distinct voice

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on the radio.

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And so when you hear it, as many of you, if you've called in,

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you've probably heard her.

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But you can tell her apart from the rest

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of them very soothing, very calm voice.

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And I'm just going to tell you, being a dispatcher,

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the stress that they're under,

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the calls that they come in,

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you couldn't tell that it was an emergency

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because she's that calm under pressure.

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This is 30 years of service. This is what you get. I'm just telling you right now that we are going to miss you

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It's a sad day, but a joyous day for you, and I want you to really enjoy your your retirement

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And before I give it over to the chief if you don't mind. I just want Kim just to say a few words about it because

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Well, Laura and I obviously worked together for 30 years

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We two of us mayor back there is our co-worker also

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though we've been there a little longer than she has,

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but she's decided to hang up the mic

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a little earlier than we have.

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What I would say about Laura,

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I spoke a lot about her the past couple of days,

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but the one thing I thought I would hit on tonight

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being that there's some citizens here,

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is Lori, honestly, the one thing we push

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when new people start in our dispatch center

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is customer service.

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And I always say Nordstrom style.

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If anybody's shopped at Nordstroms,

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you could return a tire there,

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and they'd be like, okay, we'll take it back.

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So I always said, you wanna be like

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a Nordstrom customer service not like pick and save or you know some other lower place

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and Laura honestly lives up to that she's like the one person honestly like people call us

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day to day not because it's a good day it's because it's a bad day so when people call

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there are always not so nice sometimes because they're having a bad day but Lori honest to

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God and I mean this 100% I've never heard her be anything but nice to everybody I don't

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care what they say a few weeks ago we had a citizen call and obviously having a really

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bad day, because you called her something really not nice.

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And so when we all heard that, we're like, like, how could they say that against Lori?

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I mean, it's like, she never ever is.

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And even after being called not a nice thing, she's like, okay, so we'll get someone over

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there to help you.

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So that's the lore I know and love.

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I mean, we raised our children together.

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I'm losing my right hand big time with her retiring, but it is what it is, and I'm

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happy for her.

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But sad at the same time.

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That's our Lori and we wish her nothing but the best from myself and from the dispatch.

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Lori, on behalf of the fire department, we also want to say we're going to miss your expertise

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helping out the fire and dealing with us and I know we're more difficult than the police

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because, you know, our calls are fun or better but, yeah, just lately.

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Especially the last two years we've been more difficult, right?

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I've been here two years, so I appreciate you.

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the fire department definitely appreciates you we're gonna we're

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definitely gonna miss your expertise and your institutional knowledge of the

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dispatching services West Covina and on behalf of the fire department good luck

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in your retirement thank you for all your service so

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so Larry Laurie will you

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change your mind where you still want to sit in manager city manager want to

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Make an offer, okay.

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Wait, wait.

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Yeah, make an offer. She cannot refute.

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But, again, thank you so much for 30 years of your service.

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It's unbelievable dedication and so many a nice thing about you.

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And, okay, I miss your very nice voice, okay.

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I don't want to call all the time, okay.

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You say, hey, Laurie, okay. I have a 911, okay.

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But anyway, other than that, represent West Covina, our, okay,

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great city and 120,000 population.

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we appreciate your service, and we have a gift for you, okay?

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We have a beautiful plaque, okay?

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And see, nobody will give paper, but for you, we give a plaque,

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so meaning we really spend the money for you, okay?

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and not only that, okay?

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And we are going to give you a street name

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called Baron Bolivar.

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Okay, let you can maybe,

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maybe, when you come back

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to what you have to return it okay but but other than that the Baron you can

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hear in front of either police or fire chief okay it's up to you but but

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congratulations thank you so much and

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lawyer form from the police department

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this is a certificate of recognition and you know we can put a thousand words

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on here and it probably won't equal what you mean to us but there are some

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things on here that talks about devotion duty loyalty and trustworthiness

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but most of all it says we're going to miss you

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so sorry okay she should

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she had to say something I don't really like this part but I would just want to

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say thank you to the staff and citizens of West Covina for allowing me to be

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part of it for 30 years. It's been awesome. It's been awesome city to work for. I'm so

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grateful for everything I've learned over the years and the friendships that I've made

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with my dispatch girls and everybody else in the whole department too. And I'm just

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so thankful for everything. And the outpour of love this past week has been incredible.

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I mean they had such a great day for me yesterday it was insane so I just want

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to say thank you to everything and now it's time I spend more time with them

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my family and friends I want to thank you for everything and all of your

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support all these years and for trying to be accommodating to my crazy

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schedule and shift work and for having Christmas morning at 8 o'clock at

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night and Thanksgiving dinner on Fridays and our Christmas friends dinner after Christmas.

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So and I couldn't have done it without all of all of you and all of your support and

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love and I look forward to this next chapter of my life with you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much, Laurie.

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How are you back?

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See you soon.

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Okay, next presentation, West Covina has the most, the best, to shop local after-school

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program, the after-school program.

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And I want to thank the dedication for the director, Taylor, would you come up?

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And I think everybody know West Covina High School Choir,

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okay, has outstanding

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from this young man trained all this dedication dedicated student and all the

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time okay and the last year you guys even get invited to New York right two

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years ago two years ago we were invited to sing Carnegie Hall Carnegie Hall in

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New York they get invited yeah this is how outstanding this group young people

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they they are they are they were okay and the most important thing is two years

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ago I feel like yesterday last year time flew by but but the thing is this we

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We need after-school program. We need this important funding for this. I think the shop

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local after-school program continue to fund your program for our youngsters can continue

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to have all this magnificent program. So maybe you want to say something to encourage

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more people to sponsor and more people to join your program.

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Sure. So we are thrilled to be able to teach the next generation of singer at

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West Covina High School, the singers who will rise up and take the next spots in the music

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industry.

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We have over 130 singers just in our choral department, and they get to really build

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on their skills, learn not only the fundamentals, but then take the material and the fundamentals

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to very, very rigorous levels, whether it be an invitation to Carnegie Hall or

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invitation to perform with and for other colleges. And so, we're thrilled. And so,

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yeah, our students that we tour every year. So, we've been to Portland. We've

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been to New York. We've been kind of just all over the place. And so, we

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really look forward to continue building that legacy and training up

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that next generation of students. I have some students with me. So our president over business

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is Jolene, so we're going to come on up. And we also have our president over music, Peter.

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Then we have my student assistant director, Sebastian. And then our West Covers representative,

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which is our Advanced Mixed Ensemble, and it's Emily.

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So these are members of our core department,

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but these are really some...

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One of the singers that are that next generation that we're training up, and so we're excited

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for the prospects that they have ahead of them.

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Thank you. Okay. You guys want to sing something tonight? No, I know, I know, I know. But they

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are really outstanding. Two days ago, three days ago at Christmas Children's Parade, and

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you guys performed as outstanding. You guys shouldn't miss any time about their performers.

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We've been inviting them all the time in different functions because you guys are awesome.

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I think this is what is important for our youth.

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They have a chance to develop their talent.

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So not only the academic during the daytime, but after 3 o'clock to 6 o'clock, they need

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to have this after-school activity to make them become very talented, develop your

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talent, but most important thing is develop your confidence.

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The confidence is so important for your future, and I want to thank you, Taylor.

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Okay, Mr. Weigelwald, I've been practicing all day.

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I don't want to say the wrong name.

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I know it's more difficult.

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Weigelwald is much easier, but thank you, Taylor.

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Mr. Taylor, Weigelwald, for your hard-working and dedication to train all these young people.

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Because of your dedication, that's why we have this program.

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So, represent West Covina, we have a resolution from Five City Council for the entire city

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to have this resolution to recognize outstanding achievement for all of you.

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But thank you so much for your dedication and contribution for our community.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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I really appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next slide, we move to the overall communication of any resident want to address to council.

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Please fill out a yellow card and provide to the deputy city clerk and if you want the

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city clerk to read for you, just fill out the orange one.

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So deputy city clerk, how many we have?

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At this time, Mr. Mayor, we only have one yellow card.

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Okay.

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Would you please have them to come to the podium?

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Certainly.

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Mr. Herb Redholz, would you please come forward?

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Okay, then you go to public hearing.

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Okay, only, okay, for beside the public hearing agenda,

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would you please, anybody want to speak?

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Nope?

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Okay,

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now we move to the consent calendar.

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Before we start the consent calendar,

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do we have a, yes, City?

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No, thank you.

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Look like you want to say something to me.

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No, thank you.

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You smiling and facing your face to me?

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Okay, so anyway,

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Anyway, I have a German memory to our beloved, okay,

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a founder of a Porto Bakery, Rosa Porto.

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Okay, and tonight, so, Deputy City Clerk,

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would you please make a mark that I,

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we're going to in the memory of Rosa Porto.

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Tonight, we adjourn this meeting

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in honor of Rosa Porto,

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founder of a Porto Bakery and Cafe,

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way, who passed away at the age of 89. According to the family, Rosa began selling homemade

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baked goods from an underground location when Cuba fell into communism. She continued her

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passion to sell homemade goods after the family immigrated to the United States in 1971.

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He went on to open the very first portal bakery in Echo Park and later expanded to

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other locations including our great city West Covina. Rosa always brought happiness, great

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service, and fantastic food to all. Tonight, we remember her and her legacy. Thank you.

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Any other City Council have any Germans? No? Okay, thank you. And the City Council

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want to pull any agenda? No? Okay, do I have a motion to approve 126?

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motion approved. One, two, six.

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Do I have a second?

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So we have a motion by Councilman

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Louis Johnson and a second by

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Councilman Cassiano. Do I have

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any objection? No. So 5-0,

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the motion approved.

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Let's go to the public hearing

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number seven and number eight. At the request

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Yes, we're going to combine number seven and number eight for joining combination, combine

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both public hearing.

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Okay, a dub of California building and fire code and establishment of a new fine and

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fee.

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Okay, the matters set for the public hearing are for the adoption of the 2019 building

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code, 2019 fire code, and other various code as well as establishment of a new fine

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and fee. Whether deputy city clerk verify the proper legal notice has been given.

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Verified. Okay, thank you. Okay, and at this time I should open the public hearing

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on the co-adoption and fee change. There will first be the presentation of a

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staff report. Then we shall hear comment from the public. City manager, who will

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present a staff report? Good evening, Mayor and Council. The report on these

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items will be director Jeff Anderson. Thank you. Go ahead. Thank you. So yes we

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are combining two items. We're combining the building and fire code

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adoption with the fee schedule and

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I'm going to start with the code adoption.

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So the state of California updates the building and fire codes every three years.

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It was last updated in 2016. Building division and the fire department are

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requesting the city council adopt the 2019 edition of the Los Angeles

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County, building code and other related codes such as plumbing electrical and the California

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fire code.

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The 2019 codes adopted by the state are effective on January 1, 2020 because this is an adoption

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by reference.

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This is an introduction and the public hearing will occur on January 7, 2020.

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So in effect we're going to have two public hearings on this.

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Tonight we're having a public hearing but the required public hearing will be on January

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7.

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cities can amend the California codes due to climatic geologic and topographical conditions or administrative revisions or reasons.

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The LA County codes include amendments specific to West Covina.

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Most of the revisions were previously adopted by the city to earlier code adoptions and are carried over into the 2019 codes.

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Among the effective amendments in the LA County codes is an annual cost of living adjustment,

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allowing fees to be adjusted annually based on the consumer price index.

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The local amendments that are a continuation or carryover from the previous West Virginia code amendments

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include an administrative changes that relate to issuance of permits,

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a collection of fees, inspection, and several other things that you can see there in the first bullet point.

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Grading code changes that address preparation in the middle of engineering reports requiring inspections and other grading requirements.

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And then third, the fire code changes, including the elimination of the previous city amendments

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that were incorporated into the 2019 fire code.

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The following is a summary of the city's local amendments to the state building and

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fire codes.

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The first bullet point, accessory storage sheds on residential properties.

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Storage sheds no more than one story or 10 feet in height are now exempt from permits.

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Before that, I don't think there was a height limit, so they've established

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a height limit.

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idle pallets, added to address and alleviate potential high hazard fire

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concerns in commercial and industrial businesses, and then lastly existing

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buildings is amended to include their requirement for price, include the

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requirement for fire sprinklers in existing one and two family dwellings

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when undergoing major renovations in additions.

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And in regard to that we do

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We do have our building official, Tony Weimholt, we have our fire chief, Vince Capelli, and

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we have those two guys to answer any questions, questions on the specificity of the changes

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to the building and or fire code.

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So now we're going to go to the second part of the hearing, which is the fine and fee

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schedule background.

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The city typically updates the fine and fee schedule every year.

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The last update was in September of 2018.

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The purpose of a fine and fee schedule is to set the rates that will be charged for services rendered.

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Lastly, setting an appropriate fee promotes service efficiency and minimizes the burden on the general taxpayer,

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as well as allows for consideration of appropriate staffing levels for building and engineering services.

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And I say building and engineering because that's the two sections of the fee ratio that we're recommending,

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or two of the sections we're recommending to be changed tonight.

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So

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the first one we want to talk about is the code enforcement fines.

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We recommend those to be increased to be consistent with the fines

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allowed by state law and the fees be revised by building

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and engineering divisions to adopt the county's schedule of fees.

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The proposed fees will ensure cost recovery and appropriate staffing levels

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so that reviews and inspections are completed in a timely manner.

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Increased funding would allow the ability to increase staffing

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through consultants for inspections or other services that are necessary, and setting fees

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for appropriate levels will provide consistency and predictability in the process. Builders

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and property owners generally want consistency and predictability in the permit and inspection

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process.

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So first, the code enforcement fines. The goal of code enforcement is voluntary compliance,

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not revenue generation. That's important to keep in mind. However, there are instances

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instance, where we have uncooperative property owners who have a code enforcement violation

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and it's good to have a fee for non-compliance if necessary.

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I'm sorry, okay.

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Is it keep going off?

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I bore things sometimes, so sorry.

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On January 1, 2019, the state changed the maximum allowable charges for code enforcement

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violations for building and safety code violations.

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So that was the beginning of this year.

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The current fines range from $100 to $500 in incremental stages, and the proposed fines

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range from $130 to $1,300 building.

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The proposed fee schedule would adopt the LA County Schedule of Fees for Building Fees.

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It is common for cities to adopt LA County's fees as it provides an easy comparison with

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LA County costs and allows for an automatic cost of living increase.

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I'll try to do it every time I talk.

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Cities that have adopted county fees that are nearby us include Alhambra, which is 1.85

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times county fees, DeWartie, which is 2 times county fees, Rosemead, which is 1.5 times

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county fees, and Temple City at 1.3 times county fees, and Whittier at 3 times county

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fees.

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Our proposal is to increase to 1.65 times county fees.

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fees. The proposed building code amendment would eliminate the current job fee charge

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that doubles the permit fees for contractors. I'll talk about that a little bit more later.

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The proposed fee schedule for engineering would adopt the LA County Schedule of Fees

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for engineering fees and or county time and material for special situations. It is

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common for cities to adopt the LA County Schedule of Fees as it provides an easy

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The same quote is with the building fees.

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And other cities that use county fees for engineering include Calabasas, Temple City, Whittier, and San Gabriel.

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The building fee schedule reduces the permit fees for small-scale projects including residential electric meter upgrades,

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water heater replacements, and replacement of existing plumbing fixtures.

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An issuance fee of $36 would be charged, but that would be the total cost for those small, minor types of permit fees.

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fees. It would eliminate the job fee which imposes higher fees on contractors and on

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owner-builder projects and the adoption of the new fees will ensure full cost recovery

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including administration of those services such as city manager's office, finance and

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city attorney.

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So in summary, building and fire code, we actually have two things that we're doing

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here tonight. We're suggesting the adoption of the 2019 codes. This will be the introduction

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of that. There would be a public hearing on January 7th. We are also recommending that

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you adopt an urgency ordinance so it would be effective on January 1st, 2020 to allow

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us to begin using the California codes as they intend to be used. And so that's the

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two sections tonight. There's four ordinances before you for that. For fines and fees,

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we are suggesting adopting a new fine and fee schedule for the code enforcement fees,

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fees for building fees and engineering fees and the new fines and fees are consistent with

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the San Gabriel Valley market and will ensure improved service. That concludes my presentation.

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I would say as well as the building official and the fire chief, we have our city engineer

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here, Mike Ackerman, who can answer questions on the county fees for engineering services.

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Okay. Thank you, Ms. Anderson. Does the council have any questions?

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Go ahead.

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Why did we eliminate the job fee?

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The job fee...

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It does something that I don't think that the city should be in the business of doing,

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which it basically encourages people to pull owner-builder permits.

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So we, and I, and it's funny how we work, we have that job fee and at the same time,

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we, when they want to submit the owner-builder to save the money, we have them fill out

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a form and sign it recognizing what they're agreeing to do, which is take on liability

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for injuries that happen for any worker on the property

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and the general idea of an owner-builder permit

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is that you're going to do the work.

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So if you're hiring a contractor, it's a much better idea

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and the city's in a much better place

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if we're encouraging people to hire a contractor

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to do the work.

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And the way it's set up right now,

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it's a lot more expensive to hire a contractor.

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In my way of thinking, that's not a good way

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for the city to be doing business.

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But isn't the idea to capture higher fees

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from builders and contractors than necessarily the one-off builder of their own property

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or addition onto their own property.

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Well, I think that-

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There is a big difference between owner building a house and a contractor building 50 houses.

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And that's generally why there are higher fees from what I understand when it comes

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to those types of projects.

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One thing that you may want to do is ask our building officials who have worked in other

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cities, but I'm not aware that very many cities have this fee.

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It's kind of a West Covena special.

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So if other cities, if I had the understanding that other cities had the fee, I might not

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have as much concern, but I'm not aware of other cities having this type of fee.

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I think you're probably correct in the reason that the fee was adopted.

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That's usually why we have tiered fees for like assessment of fees when they're building

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properties and the fees that go to school districts based on who's building.

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Okay, that's all I wanted to know.

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So, Annie?

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Yep.

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Councilman?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Donaldson?

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Yeah, on the court enforcement.

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If someone goes out, the court enforcement officer goes out to, there's a violation

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that's been reported.

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Now, my question is, is there a fine, the first, how long do you need to go

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them to repair or take care of their code violation before or how do you go about giving the first

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fine?

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Well, you know, that's going to depend a lot on the situation and the reaction they

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get.

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Again, I want to always emphasize with code enforcement, the goal isn't to get money,

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the goal is to get compliance.

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So generally, the code enforcement officer is going to work with the person and if

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the person is working towards compliance, they're not going to give them a fine.

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Once they get obstinate and basically refuse or, you know,

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given them chances and then they haven't ever taken any steps to fix the situation,

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then that's when you start with the fines.

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So it's going to depend on the situation.

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Do they give them a time limit?

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Let me see.

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What is if, for example, I actually reported there was a motor home parked halfway on

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in someone's driveway and on the sidewalk, like in the sidewalk,

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and I reported it to the code enforcement.

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My question is, what time limit do they give them to move that motor home because you're

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actually in the public wide right?

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Usually they give them, I couldn't answer a question on that, but generally they give

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them, I would say, two weeks to 30 days to comply.

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Now there's various things, what you're describing is maybe something that's much

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easier to rectify, so they might not give them that much time.

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But other things that may take longer to rectify.

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So one of the problems with code enforcers is just such a wide variety of things

471
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:41,620
that occur.

472
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:51,520
Okay, council, any council? Any? So follow up, okay, Councilman Johnson's

473
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,240
question. My understanding is, okay, when you see a violation from our

474
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,200
co-enforcement team of staff, they will give them a warning, okay, and after

475
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,080
warning you give them a period of time, maybe a week, okay, and then you will

476
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,860
go back to see have that been corrected. Okay, if they don't, then you

477
00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:17,820
maybe the second move is you will give them maybe the ticket am I right you're

478
00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:22,720
correct so so you'll you'll have a warning and then possible they will talk

479
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,240
to the city say why this violation so not right away we want to find people we

480
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:33,480
want to I think fine is not try to okay to collect the revenue I think fine is

481
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,840
try to have people to correct the wrongdoing okay so so I think my

482
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,740
My understanding when I talk to city manager and our co-enforcement manager, Mylan, is

483
00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:51,720
about how to persuade the resident or homeowner or the business owner how to correct the run.

484
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,560
For example, the trash, the car parking on the lawn, or the car parking on the street

485
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,840
forever and ever, or they park a commercial vehicle in the residential area, and they

486
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,920
should be removed ASAP, otherwise we should give them the ticket.

487
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,220
So I think every situation is different.

488
00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:16,260
So the time period depends on the co-enforcement officer

489
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:20,300
communication with the violator, right? Am I right?

490
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:22,260
Correct. And I think persuade is a good word.

491
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:25,260
Yes, exactly. I think we try to...

492
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:28,580
Because the fine looked very deep to me currently based on this change.

493
00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:33,700
So we need to maybe notify the people the fine will be pretty handsome.

494
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:34,460
It's not cheap.

495
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:43,040
So we need to, we don't want to make sure we want to correct the situation, not try to impose the fine.

496
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:50,160
I think that is what we try to let the people understand of the residents that we have to kind of clean up all the front yard

497
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,280
to make sure upgrade and sanitation and all those issues.

498
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,100
I think that is what the city is trying to do, am I right?

499
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:57,500
Correct.

500
00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:58,420
Okay, thank you.

501
00:36:02,420 --> 00:36:03,820
No, no, any other questions?

502
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:09,920
So, from there, then, Ms. W. D. City Clerk, do you have received any comment concerning

503
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,240
what I always call the building code on the change and the fee schedule?

504
00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:18,080
No written comments or protests have been received by the clerk's office at this time.

505
00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:21,760
So in this time, I'm going to open up for the resident to have comment.

506
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:23,840
Anybody want to comment on this issue?

507
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:26,330
Come up.

508
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:27,110
JD.

509
00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:42,830
Well, Mr. Anderson said several times that this is not for revenue generating revenue.

510
00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:42,930
you.

511
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Proceeding bullets said that this would help pay for staff. It would also offset some

512
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,500
of the cost recovery. It would be used for cost recovery. So it seems to be a way of

513
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:06,380
incentivizing code enforcers to go out there and maybe capriciously issue out fines.

514
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:15,820
Will there be an appeal process that residents can appeal to in the event that they feel

515
00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:18,580
that they're being unjustly fined.

516
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:27,310
I hate to sound cynical, but it seems to me that this is more predicated on generating

517
00:37:27,310 --> 00:37:36,510
revenue than it is in terms of enforcing the illegal activities that may be taking place

518
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:39,610
in terms of some of the issues mentioned.

519
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:45,850
I say that because currently we have code enforcers and we have seen probably in the

520
00:37:45,850 --> 00:37:55,610
last 10 years an exponential growth in illegal dwellings, cars parked in drive

521
00:37:55,610 --> 00:38:01,790
or in open front lawns and left out in the streets. Many residents have come up

522
00:38:01,790 --> 00:38:07,610
and complained about motorhomes parked for extended times and really no

523
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:13,550
enforcement has taken place. So I would be interested in seeing what sort of

524
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:19,350
report, what the report will show now that you're going to be issuing fines and fees,

525
00:38:20,330 --> 00:38:28,950
is this going to be driving, like I said, an incentive for the code enforcers to protect

526
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:32,970
their jobs and to increase the city's revenue. Thank you.

527
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:39,830
Any other residents want to make comment? No?

528
00:38:39,830 --> 00:38:40,690
A

529
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:52,270
point of clarification, Mr. City Manager, these fees are already in place.

530
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:57,550
We're actually updating them. These aren't new schedules, anything like that.

531
00:38:57,670 --> 00:39:01,650
There are fees that are currently in place that we are updating and conforming

532
00:39:01,650 --> 00:39:06,410
and things that we do on a regular basis when it comes to fees and fines.

533
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:07,750
Correct?

534
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:09,970
Through the Chair, that's exactly correct.

535
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:16,690
This is an update of a fee schedule for fees that are currently charged by the city.

536
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:21,770
If I could speak to the question, which has come up a couple of times, the goal of code

537
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:24,490
enforcement is entirely voluntary compliance.

538
00:39:24,810 --> 00:39:26,630
We are in the code compliance business.

539
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:32,450
I don't believe this year we've levied a single fine and I see these fines as deterrents

540
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:33,690
and it would be a last resort.

541
00:39:33,930 --> 00:39:38,030
We're always in code enforcement striving for voluntary compliance.

542
00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:44,510
Okay, thank you. Okay. Do we have any comment? If not, I'm going to close the public comment.

543
00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:51,810
Now I'm going back to the council discussion. So any council want to, okay, Councilman Johnson?

544
00:39:52,610 --> 00:40:01,130
Yes, my question was, Mr. Jeffery said, do they have an appeal? Do we have an appeal

545
00:40:01,130 --> 00:40:06,190
if someone feels that they're being cited unfairly? Do they have an appeal that they

546
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:08,730
Can't talk to someone about it.

547
00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:12,650
Mr. Mayor, there's always been an appeal process

548
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:14,350
when receiving a citation, absolutely.

549
00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:18,720
Go ahead, Councilman Casiano.

550
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

551
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:22,480
And to follow up on what Council Member Shoemaker asked,

552
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,040
well, let me give us a brief history.

553
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:29,320
Have we been doing a good job of code enforcement?

554
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,560
Not yet.

555
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,300
We've just hired a new code enforcement manager

556
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:42,000
and we'll soon have several part-timers

557
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,680
working for him divided geographically around the city.

558
00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:50,540
Mr. Murakic-Milan has been very, very busy in the short time he's been with us today.

559
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:56,160
He was sending out literally north of 40 letters, but in each and every case he's trying for

560
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,120
voluntary compliance.

561
00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:02,700
I think we're going to see a large increase in terms of public contacts and education

562
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:07,240
about some of these violations, but education is always our first approach.

563
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,900
And the follow-up question, as far as the cost, there was concern about cost.

564
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Are we limited to just cost recovery?

565
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:27,390
Yes, sir. The city in its collection of fees, any kind of a fee or charge, is to charge cost reasonably born in the provision of the service.

566
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:30,090
And that's what we're recommending to you tonight as part of this package.

567
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:33,830
So generally not a spread to, quote, unquote, profit?

568
00:41:33,830 --> 00:41:41,410
This is not a profit center. We're focused on cost recovery. Thank you. Any other council?

569
00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:50,910
Okay. Mayor Poltenin, Lopez, Viado? Actually, I do remember when I was walking during my district,

570
00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:58,630
the biggest complaint that I got from most of my residents were code enforcement in regards to the neighbors or things.

571
00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:01,330
So there was a lot, and they did complain to the city.

572
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:07,150
They tried complying, but a lot of them just didn't care,

573
00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:09,170
didn't, so there was no enforcement.

574
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:11,210
So I know majority of the residents

575
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:14,070
would like to see this enforcement occur

576
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:16,730
because that was the biggest complaint that happened.

577
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:18,190
So thank you for this code enforcement.

578
00:42:18,590 --> 00:42:21,250
My question is, those who wish to comply

579
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,670
and cannot afford it, is what's the alternatives?

580
00:42:27,590 --> 00:42:33,090
Through the Chair, those that wish to comply, we're going to work with them until they do,

581
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:37,870
and we're going to give time extensions to get compliance long before we ever get defined.

582
00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:43,750
So we'll give people time, and if they're working with us to correct, then we'll be supportive of that.

583
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:46,470
And FIND is an absolute last resort.

584
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:49,330
Thank you.

585
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:49,790
Yeah.

586
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:59,050
And to piggyback on that great question, is the $10,000 loan still available to homeowners?

587
00:42:59,490 --> 00:43:00,350
Yes, CDBG fund.

588
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:04,230
Okay, so that would be a viable option if necessary.

589
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:10,130
They could comply that way and it's no interest and not due in how many years?

590
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:10,530
Ten years.

591
00:43:10,610 --> 00:43:10,950
Ten years.

592
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:12,030
Okay.

593
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:13,910
That's a pretty good solution.

594
00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:14,710
Thank you.

595
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:22,490
Okay, follow up. Okay, Councilman Casiano regarding the $10,000, I think we've been talking

596
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:28,610
to the CDBG fund and we have let almost a million dollars still accumulate and we need

597
00:43:28,610 --> 00:43:36,250
to kind of promote to our residents that we have this $10,000 or I think up to $20,000

598
00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:44,570
right? $10,000 for the upgrade for their home for some of the issue and they don't

599
00:43:44,570 --> 00:43:49,990
and to fix their property. And for a lot of, even including, I think, energy-saving and

600
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:53,390
all that kind of thing, improvement. And the second thing I want to follow up, okay,

601
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:59,430
a mail proton regarding a co-enforcement issue. I think over here, everybody received

602
00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:05,210
all the co-enforcement that residents really want, okay, co-enforcement, compare our

603
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:10,530
city and the surrounding city, especially like Walnut, why one street different, they're

604
00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:16,090
clean and all the house is a molecular, okay, and compared to our our property

605
00:44:16,090 --> 00:44:20,030
it's kind of some properties are obsolete, okay, never ever for our

606
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:23,670
co-enforcement to tell the people say would you please clean up your front yard,

607
00:44:24,110 --> 00:44:29,170
okay, and make your house look a little bit more presentable and not kind of

608
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:33,290
rusted or they kind of going on. So I think this is something very important.

609
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:38,050
I think, okay, regarding the the fines just a last resort we say hey if you

610
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:41,530
you don't do this, we're going to find you. But I think we should spend time to persuade

611
00:44:41,530 --> 00:44:47,550
the home and try to persuade them to do it. But let's go back to another issue regarding

612
00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:54,210
adjustment. I kind of understand the adjustment. You remove a lot of changing the water heaters.

613
00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:59,790
Okay, we play some of the window or something that something very mild. We don't even touch them any

614
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:06,340
So, we want to encourage people resident to apply so we can check for them to make sure

615
00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:11,820
okay, everything comply and no fire hazard or any issue. I think this is something we want

616
00:45:11,820 --> 00:45:17,900
to encourage. The issue we have before we're talking about, we, our application down to

617
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:23,880
1,300 compared with 3,000 average due to the people just don't apply. So, in that way,

618
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,660
we need to encourage people to apply and we need to help them to do it legally

619
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:31,880
so we don't have any hazardous situations.

620
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,280
I think this is what the core enforcement is about.

621
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:39,100
But the point is, now we have this well-done contractor.

622
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:42,580
How is their service, because you raise this fee,

623
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:44,960
and I understand most of the contractors,

624
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:48,080
most of the developer, they want the time, the service.

625
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:51,100
They don't care the pay, okay, extra,

626
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:54,360
but they want the time and the precise and more efficient.

627
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,820
Do we provide this service if you want to raise this fee?

628
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:05,130
I'm happy to take that one, and the answer is yes, sir, we do.

629
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:10,650
In our new building and safety contract, we've set out performance standards, performance metrics,

630
00:46:10,930 --> 00:46:14,570
and we are meeting them in almost every instance.

631
00:46:15,350 --> 00:46:19,650
I can tell you, when we meet with people that are prospective builders in this city,

632
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:27,830
time is money, and the thing they're most interested in is getting it done and getting it done quickly.

633
00:46:27,830 --> 00:46:31,090
I'll give you a real-time example from this morning's meeting.

634
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:37,070
We've had a site plan application precise plan review filed by Florin Decor.

635
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:44,370
I want to take over the former Kmart site, and it's zoned for that, and it's an over-the-counter permit.

636
00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:46,650
And to them, time is money.

637
00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:50,190
So we said we can expedite building permits.

638
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:52,110
We want to make this happen.

639
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:53,390
We want to be your heroes at City Hall.

640
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:55,150
We want to get you building permits quickly.

641
00:46:55,830 --> 00:47:02,330
They were completely supportive, and I don't think the amount of the fees came up even once.

642
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:03,870
They just want to get them done quickly.

643
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:07,070
And that's what we believe we're able to accomplish with this arrangement.

644
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:09,050
Okay. Thank you, City Manager.

645
00:47:09,610 --> 00:47:11,910
Do we have any common question?

646
00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:14,230
If not, do I have a motion?

647
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:20,610
Mr. Mayor, can we have four separate motions for the ordinances and then a separate motion for the resolution?

648
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:21,250
Yeah, go ahead.

649
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:24,950
That deputy city clerk will read the title for you if you don't want to put that in your

650
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:25,190
motion.

651
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:27,790
Four, and then the resolution will be the fifth.

652
00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:33,690
And then if I may be so bold as to suggest that we possibly take the votes after each

653
00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:37,790
individual ordinance is read, that will save all four ordinances being read back to back

654
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:41,050
and for clarification's sake, there won't be any mix-up on the votes as well.

655
00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:44,120
I'm sorry.

656
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,920
Urgency ordinance number 2466 is an urgency ordinance of the City Council of the City

657
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,600
West Covina, California, amending Articles 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7 of Chapter 7, adding Articles

658
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:07,320
19, 20, and 21 to Chapter 7, amending Article 1 of Chapter 9 and Article 2 of Chapter 10

659
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,920
of the West Covina Municipal Code to adopt by reference Title 26 Building Code of

660
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,140
the Los Angeles County Code, which adopts by reference the 2019 California Building

661
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:23,120
Code Title 27 Electrical Code of the Los Angeles County Code, which adopts by reference

662
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:29,280
the 2019 California Electrical Code Title 30 residential code of the Los Angeles County

663
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:36,540
Code which adopts by reference the 2019 California Residential Code, Title 29 Mechanical Code

664
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:41,300
of the Los Angeles County Code which adopts by reference the 2019 California Mechanical

665
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:46,880
Code, Title 28 Plumbing Code of the Los Angeles County Code which adopts by reference

666
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:53,280
the 2019 California Plumbing Code, Title 31, Green Building Standards Code of the Los Angeles

667
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,080
County Code which adopts by reference the 2019 California Green Building Standards Code,

668
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,720
Title 33, Existing Building Code of the Los Angeles County Code which adopts by reference

669
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:08,900
the 2019 California Existing Building Code and making amendments there too and amending

670
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:13,560
Article 2 of Chapter 14 of the West Covina Municipal Code to repeal the construction

671
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,820
contractor license fee. Do I have a motion? I will make a motion for all four

672
00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:23,800
ordinances and the resolution. No, only one. You can do one. This is the first one.

673
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,440
Okay, no problem. I'll make a motion for the first ordinance. Do I have a second?

674
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:34,780
I'll second. Okay, so first from the Councilman Casiano and second by

675
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:42,860
Mayo-Proton Lopez-Villada. Do I have any objection? None. So, okay, motion approved.

676
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:50,520
a second motion. Second agenda. So moved. The direction of the city attorney we'd still

677
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:56,100
like to go ahead and take a roll call. Okay, a roll call please. All right, certainly Councilman

678
00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:01,740
Castellanos. All right. Councilman Johnson. All right. Councilmember Shoemaker. All right.

679
00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:08,980
Mayor Pro Tem López Villarro. Aye. Mayor Wu. Aye. Approved, five zero. All right.

680
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:30,240
Moving on to urgency ordinance number 2468, an urgency ordinance of the City Council of the City of West Covena, California, amending article 2 of chapter 10 of the West Covena Municipal Code to adopt by reference the 2019 California Fire Code, which adopts by reference the 2018 International Fire Code and making amendments there too.

681
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:33,440
Do I have a motion?

682
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,740
I'll make a motion to approve.

683
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Do I have a second?

684
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:37,400
I'll second.

685
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:44,540
Okay. Okay. I have a motion moved by Councilman Casiano and second by Mayor Pro Tem Lopez Viano.

686
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Do I have a roll call, please?

687
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,480
Councilman Casalanos. Aye.

688
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,180
Councilman Johnson. Aye.

689
00:50:50,740 --> 00:50:52,100
Councilmember Schumacher. Aye.

690
00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:54,720
Mayor Pro Tem Lopez Viano. Aye.

691
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:56,380
And Mayor Wu. Aye.

692
00:51:01,340 --> 00:51:10,620
Ordinance number 2463 and ordinance of the City Council of the City of West Covina, California amending articles 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 of Chapter 7

693
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:20,320
adding Articles 19, 20 and 21 to Chapter 7, amending Article 1 of Chapter 9 and Article 2

694
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:26,020
of Chapter 10 of the West Covena Municipal Code to adopt by reference Title 26 Building Code

695
00:51:26,020 --> 00:51:31,600
of the Los Angeles County Code which adopts by reference the 2019 California Building Code,

696
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,040
Title 27 Electrical Code of the Los Angeles County Code which adopts by reference the

697
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,820
the 2019 Los Angeles County Code,

698
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,180
I'm sorry, California Electrical Code,

699
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,740
title 30, Residential Code of the Los Angeles County Code

700
00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:46,940
which adopts, by reference,

701
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,420
the 2019 California Residential Code,

702
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,400
title 29, Mechanical Code of the Los Angeles County Code

703
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,420
which adopts by reference

704
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:56,840
the 2019 California Mechanical Code,

705
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,500
title 28, Plumbing Code of the Los Angeles County Code

706
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:01,620
which adopts by reference

707
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:03,940
the 2019 California Plumbing Code,

708
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,700
title 31, Green Building Standards Code

709
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:11,760
of the Los Angeles County Code which adopts, by reference, the 2019 California Green Building

710
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Standard Code, Title 33, Existing Building Code of the Los Angeles County Code which

711
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,920
adopts, by reference, the 2019 California Existing Building Code, and making amendments

712
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,300
thereto and amending Article 2 of the Chapter 14 of the West Covena Municipal Code to repeal

713
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:29,180
the construction contractor's license fee.

714
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,180
Thank you.

715
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,040
Do I have a motion, please?

716
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:32,980
So moved.

717
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:34,620
Do I have a second?

718
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:34,920
Second.

719
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:42,640
again. Okay, so we have a agenda motion moved by Councilman Casiano and second by

720
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:48,220
Mayor Pro Tem Lopez Viano. Can I have a roll call please? Councilman Casalanos.

721
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:54,820
Aye. Councilman Johnson. Aye. Councilmember Shoemaker. Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Lopez Viano.

722
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,960
Aye. Mayor Wu. Aye.

723
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,300
Ordinance number 2467 and ordinance of the City Council of

724
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:08,680
the City of West Covina, California, amending Article 2 of Chapter 10 of the West Covina

725
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:14,100
Municipal Code to adopt by reference the 2019 California Fire Code, which adopts by reference

726
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:18,240
the 2018 International Fire Code and making amendments thereto.

727
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,380
Thank you.

728
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:19,880
Do I have a motion?

729
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,740
I'll make a motion to approve Number 4.

730
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:23,780
Do I have a second?

731
00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:24,400
I'll second.

732
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Okay.

733
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,140
Moved by Councilman Casiano and second by Mayor Proten Lopez Viado.

734
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:31,680
Can I have a roll call, please?

735
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:33,560
Councilman Casalanos.

736
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:41,900
All right. Councilman Johnson. All right. Councilmember Shoemaker. All right. Mayor pro tem la pesviata. All right. Mayor will. All right.

737
00:53:50,250 --> 00:54:02,190
Yes, sir. We need a motion on resolution 2019 dash 92. Okay. Motion to approve resolution number 2019 dash 92. Do I have a second second. Okay, so we have a

738
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:08,070
Okay, move by Councilman Casiano and second by Councilman Johnson. Roll call, please.

739
00:54:08,070 --> 00:54:14,350
please. Councilman Cosalanos aye. Councilman Johnson aye. Councilmember Shoemaker aye.

740
00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:17,910
Mayor Pro Tem Lopez Viano aye. Mayor Wu aye.

741
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,000
Now we move on to agenda number nine. Okay

742
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:32,640
and this one is about let me see public hearing regarding the Coal Amendment number 19-03

743
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:40,580
to allow for temporarily non-commercial political sign and matters set public hearing consists

744
00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:46,480
this of an amendment to the Chapter 26 of the West Covina Municipal Code, okay, related

745
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:53,740
to temporary sign, where the Deputy City, let me see, okay, who is going to present this?

746
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,380
This report will be given by Director Jeff Anderson.

747
00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:58,000
Okay, Jeff, please.

748
00:54:59,860 --> 00:55:04,060
Unfortunately, the screen seems to have gone off permanently, but maybe it'll come on

749
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:04,240
here.

750
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,460
I'm going to, there's a PowerPoint presentation being passed around.

751
00:55:07,460 --> 00:55:10,140
I'm going to go ahead and go through it as if you could see it.

752
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,260
Most of this is not very visual anyway.

753
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,260
So this is a Code Amendment number 1903 for temporary noncommercial signs.

754
00:55:20,740 --> 00:55:26,020
It's an amendment to Chapter 26, the zoning code of the city of West Covina for temporary noncommercial.

755
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,860
In this case, political signs to be placed in parkways within the public right away.

756
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:34,920
When I say political signs, I think that's part of the emphasis on this.

757
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,420
but keep in mind this is not just about political science, this is all kinds of temporary non-commercial

758
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:39,860
signs.

759
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:46,320
On April 2nd, 2019, the City Council initiated a Code Amendment to consider allowing temporary

760
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,080
non-commercial signs in the Parkway, which is the area between the private property line

761
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,860
and the curb or the street.

762
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:55,340
Sometimes there's a sidewalk there, sometimes there's not.

763
00:55:56,580 --> 00:56:00,820
The Planning Commission held a study session on July 23rd, 2019, and directed staff

764
00:56:00,820 --> 00:56:05,700
to prepare a code amendment, and the Planning Commission held a public hearing on November

765
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:10,780
26, 2019, and recommended approval of the code amendment to the City Council.

766
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,720
So this amendment, again, was prepared based on a request by City Council.

767
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,280
In summary, the amendments allow for non-commercial signs in the public right-of-way, which

768
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,900
we affectionately call the Parkway.

769
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:32,880
And in residential, agricultural, and single-family zones,

770
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,560
signs shall not exceed three square feet in area.

771
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:44,770
We did have a, I'm looking at a very nice map of the city of West Covina that shows the zoning.

772
00:56:45,810 --> 00:56:52,670
And we're showing that to understand that over 75% of the city is single-family,

773
00:56:52,850 --> 00:56:56,110
a residential zone, a residential some type or another zoning.

774
00:56:56,290 --> 00:56:59,230
So this has an effect on most of the city.

775
00:56:59,230 --> 00:57:04,990
The proposed Code Amendment is exempt from CEQA as a general exemption and Planning Commission

776
00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:07,610
did recommend the adoption of Code Amendment number 1903.

777
00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:09,410
That concludes the presentation.

778
00:57:09,570 --> 00:57:10,710
I'll be happy to answer any questions.

779
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,780
City Council, do you have any questions?

780
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:16,040
Okay.

781
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,200
May I put in Lopez Viado?

782
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,200
When you say temporary, how long is temporary?

783
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:29,480
I know I read here that there's days to remove it, but it doesn't say how long

784
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,560
you can leave it up.

785
00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:34,060
Yeah, temporary is not necessarily defined.

786
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:35,980
A temporary sign, I think by definition,

787
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:37,780
is not a permanent sign.

788
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,280
So it's kind of based on the materials that it's made of.

789
00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:42,220
And generally temporary signs are banners

790
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:45,800
that are vinyl or paper, like gloss paper.

791
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,700
And there is an existing section in the code

792
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,480
that says temporary non-commercial sign

793
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,440
should be removed within 10 days after the event

794
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,860
which they're advertising.

795
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:57,460
So that's in the code now.

796
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,120
It's not under discussion here,

797
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,320
but I think that's basically the definition of temporary.

798
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Everybody's definition of temporary is different,

799
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:09,300
so one person could be one day,

800
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,800
another person could be a whole year,

801
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:13,720
but it's temporary, so that's why I asked.

802
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,760
And that's part of the difficulty

803
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,800
in trying to regulate this type of signage.

804
00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:25,560
Councilman Casiano.

805
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:26,880
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

806
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,760
What kind of burden might this place on city workers

807
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:38,640
workers in terms of maintaining the parkways if people catch on to this and really like

808
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,100
placing temporary signs.

809
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,660
Would that present a problem to our city staff?

810
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,440
I did speak with our code enforcement officer today and he commented that, yes, it would

811
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,540
probably increase the amount of calls they get, the concerns that happen, understand

812
00:58:53,540 --> 00:58:57,140
that a thing like a parkway is kind of an unusual circumstance.

813
00:58:57,140 --> 00:59:03,800
The parkway is owned by the city, but generally taken care of by the property owner that it's in front of.

814
00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:09,520
So, you know, if signs are put there, who has the ability to tell them they can't be there?

815
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:12,940
They can be there. Somebody's maintaining the yard and takes them down.

816
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:15,000
Can the person who put them up there complain?

817
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:24,180
So these are the type of things that I was told by the Code Enforcement Officer that he's experienced in his career with this type of signage.

818
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:27,100
Any other?

819
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:32,900
In regards to signage, is there limited signage that can be placed?

820
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:36,980
Otherwise, I don't want to see the whole city be cluttered with so many signs.

821
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,140
We're looking at the Code of Amendment right now.

822
00:59:42,420 --> 00:59:43,280
We don't have it.

823
00:59:43,860 --> 00:59:48,320
The size of the sign is defined, but not necessarily the number of signs.

824
00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:52,100
What about the message?

825
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:53,600
It's not limited to political.

826
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:56,320
Could it be any of the above religious?

827
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:59,500
Just anything anyone could dream up?

828
00:59:59,500 --> 00:59:59,960
Thank you.

829
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,920
Mr. Mayor, we're not going to regulate the content of it. We're not going to call it a political sign. It's just a non-commercial sign.

830
01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:13,870
I think we wanted samples, like what kind of signs?

831
01:00:14,370 --> 01:00:14,710
Vote

832
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:27,180
for Mayor Tony Woo, as an example. Yes, yes, yes, but yes, anything non, anything that is not commercial.

833
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:34,040
So it could be a religious comment. It could be smile, have a nice day. It could be any message.

834
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,420
It could be Crosstown, high school football rivalry.

835
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:39,220
They want to do something funny.

836
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:40,460
Okay.

837
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,300
It could be something about global warming or about life to life.

838
01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:48,080
Any message, yes?

839
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:49,940
Okay.

840
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:58,120
I want to understand the amendment, the change, because my understanding before last year,

841
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,580
okay, and that we only allow the sign in front of private property.

842
01:01:02,580 --> 01:01:11,300
so now we want to change to what to allow to the in the public way so in the

843
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:16,740
parkway the area which mayor will in the area between the front of the prop front

844
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,720
property line and the street which is called the parkway or the right of way

845
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:26,320
it's people call it yeah I saw it okay I lost you I went through it okay but

846
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,100
okay I think it's difficult to see this is belong to the homeowner or the

847
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:37,440
public. So people just put in the sign possible without the agreement of the owner because

848
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:45,500
my understanding, the coordinates we approve before is we must have the property owner concerned

849
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:54,640
to put the sign in front of their yacht. So last year we kind of much cleaner than

850
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:02,780
previous election. So my understanding is now we want to allow the right-of-way, the

851
01:02:02,780 --> 01:02:10,020
in front of the sidewalk, let possible can put a yard sign, can be any yard sign beside

852
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:15,380
the political. So I don't know, okay, is that what the proposal trying to...

853
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:16,180
That is correct.

854
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:17,340
Okay, thank you.

855
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:20,660
Any other...

856
01:02:21,340 --> 01:02:22,120
Okay, Councilman Johnson.

857
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:25,980
Yes. I guess we can do it after we close. We have discussion.

858
01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:32,840
with everything good I already know what I want to discuss okay go

859
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,740
ahead well I

860
01:02:38,740 --> 01:02:46,900
just remember some people actually would put their sign in between two homeowner's

861
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,580
property like right in the middle and I remember I said oh great you know you're

862
01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:55,400
supporting this person goes no no I think that's the neighbors and then go to the

863
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,740
neighbors and they said oh no I thought it was the other neighbors so there

864
01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:03,400
a lot of people just putting signs everywhere and then homes that had

865
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,000
cinder blocks if they had cinder blocks on one end there's one like on Merced

866
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,600
they just placed it there and so it was just I know there was a bunch of

867
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,680
clutter on areas where they did not have the approval of the homeowners and

868
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,400
so I just and then there were certain parts that just overbobarded just way

869
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:28,480
too many so it was just something that I recalled. Okay thank you.

870
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,140
In a situation

871
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:35,680
where somebody puts something on a cinder block wall belonging to a property

872
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,080
doesn't that property owner have the right to remove it? You mentioned

873
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,640
cinder block and if it's on the parkways in front of somebody's property

874
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,800
do they have the right to remove it since they maintain them?

875
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:51,610
Anybody?

876
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:54,490
Well

877
01:03:54,490 --> 01:04:00,250
that doesn't seem like it I think that's part of our concern is that people may

878
01:04:01,070 --> 01:04:03,930
I mean if I'm all in my yard and there's something there I'm probably gonna pick

879
01:04:03,930 --> 01:04:07,870
it up I don't know if I'll put it back or not but you know it's not really my

880
01:04:07,870 --> 01:04:12,870
property in that area so it's a it's an open question and would could be a

881
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:19,590
cause for debate can we put in since people maintain those areas that they

882
01:04:19,590 --> 01:04:28,510
can remove them. And then the other one was, Mayor Portemllo Pazviato brought up a very

883
01:04:28,510 --> 01:04:37,470
good point, because the ordinance as it stands states that you have to remove them within

884
01:04:37,470 --> 01:04:41,310
10 days of the event, which we understand if it's a political sign within 10 days

885
01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:48,970
of the election. For general temporary signs that may not have an expiration date

886
01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:55,550
attached to it, can we put a limit on how long they can be up there, above and

887
01:04:55,550 --> 01:04:57,310
beyond just saying when they disintegrate?

888
01:05:01,460 --> 01:05:03,160
I'm going to say we may need some more

889
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:08,180
work on this ordinance. Perhaps we can do that but we'd have to work with the

890
01:05:08,180 --> 01:05:11,100
city attorney to try and craft some language that would achieve your

891
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:16,120
direction there. In this case the property owner is the city and so by

892
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,840
allowing these signs in the public right of way we've really created a new

893
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,720
precedent here which is untested and I'm predicting we're not going to like it.

894
01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:32,040
But let's maybe harvest your criticisms tonight and refer back and we'll work with the city

895
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,500
attorney to perhaps revise this ordinance in a way that it meets your desires.

896
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:40,760
Any other comment?

897
01:05:41,180 --> 01:05:46,540
If none, I'm going to, starting with Deputy City Clerk, have you received any comment

898
01:05:46,540 --> 01:05:49,820
concerning the core amendment of the number 19-03?

899
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,360
We've received no criticism or comments.

900
01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:53,460
Okay, so none.

901
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,160
So I'm going to open the public comments.

902
01:05:56,380 --> 01:05:58,180
So do I have any residents want to talk?

903
01:05:58,500 --> 01:05:58,900
Yeah, go ahead.

904
01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:08,930
Okay, yeah. Good evening, everybody.

905
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:12,230
A question just came into my mind too,

906
01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:15,290
and maybe it's kind of related to what we've been discussing here.

907
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:22,090
But since the parkway is city property, public property,

908
01:06:22,890 --> 01:06:26,450
could anyone just come along and plant signs?

909
01:06:26,930 --> 01:06:30,590
I mean, what if, you know, I'm supporting, you know,

910
01:06:30,830 --> 01:06:33,010
a particular, you know, someone running for counsel,

911
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:36,370
and the other guy comes along and plants his sign?

912
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:40,570
You know, I mean, I agree with the city attorney,

913
01:06:40,810 --> 01:06:44,830
this needs work, because we're going to have chaos.

914
01:06:45,830 --> 01:06:47,230
You know, you're going to be driving along,

915
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:48,850
and, oh, why are you supporting that guy?

916
01:06:48,970 --> 01:06:49,390
I'm not.

917
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:54,650
I could just see this being a bad, real bad.

918
01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:59,110
So I think we need to look at it and get all the T's,

919
01:06:59,250 --> 01:07:02,750
crossed, and eyes dotted quickly.

920
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:04,210
Thank you.

921
01:07:05,010 --> 01:07:05,570
Thank you.

922
01:07:05,730 --> 01:07:05,850
Next?

923
01:07:08,860 --> 01:07:09,060
Jerry?

924
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:13,030
Thank you.

925
01:07:13,130 --> 01:07:14,570
Thank you.

926
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,040
Jerry Patres.

927
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,980
Mine is more lighthearted but serious.

928
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,880
Signs for lost animals.

929
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,880
To me, I respond to them.

930
01:07:26,980 --> 01:07:29,460
I walk, I look at them, and I keep an eye out.

931
01:07:29,460 --> 01:07:33,500
I know they're not supposed to be on telephone poles and light poles and stuff

932
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:39,300
But when you do this sign would you kind of recognize that we're gonna do that anyway people do it?

933
01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:47,340
I put free lines free this or that and my technical parkway things, so I actually

934
01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:54,640
Think that there is some work that needs to be done, but the animal ones

935
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,940
I mean really just tear at my heart. So if there's some way you can work something like

936
01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:01,940
that and I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

937
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:03,720
Hang on, Jerry. Next?

938
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:17,320
After being involved in political campaigns in the city for about 20 years, it wasn't

939
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:23,120
until this order changed to seem there was a problem. When it first came up, I made

940
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:29,200
the remark that it was the attempt for the incumbent guaranteed a re-election thing.

941
01:08:29,780 --> 01:08:38,500
turned out, some of the people who supported it weren't re-elected. So what it comes down

942
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:43,880
to is I have a question. That public right away, if the grass grows this high because

943
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:48,160
the city owns it, is the city going to come mow it or do I have to?

944
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:52,240
If I have to maintain

945
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:58,820
it, it seems pretty simple to say I at least can control some of it, the usage

946
01:08:58,820 --> 01:09:06,360
each of it, if I have to maintain it. Because what if somebody decides to park an old junky

947
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:06,960
car on it?

948
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:15,680
Who's going to call and say, take this away? Because it's on city property. So

949
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:22,300
I think that we're trying to make things a little too difficult. When you can just

950
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:28,220
look at it, if I maintain it, you put a sign there, I'm going to throw it away if I

951
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:29,240
I don't support that person.

952
01:09:29,940 --> 01:09:32,600
And I remember in the last campaign putting out signs for people.

953
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,200
And, you know, people said, you know, put it there

954
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,920
because you want to set the signs up where people can see them.

955
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,540
The city was going along, yanking them out.

956
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,220
And people were going, but that's my property.

957
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,380
I mean, I remember in the past when these things came up,

958
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:49,400
it was saying, yeah, technically it's not the person's property.

959
01:09:50,580 --> 01:09:52,800
And city staff would say, technically it's not city's property.

960
01:09:53,180 --> 01:09:57,000
But are you going to go tell somebody that they can't pull that sign?

961
01:09:59,460 --> 01:10:00,700
you know, that sort of thing.

962
01:10:01,220 --> 01:10:02,620
And this came up when, you know,

963
01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:05,600
I remember a former one-term console member

964
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,340
who was the prime offender for doing things like that,

965
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,940
finding, you know, a woman who was 75 years old

966
01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:14,060
and putting a sign and, you know,

967
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,680
you'd knock on their door and be talking to them and go,

968
01:10:15,820 --> 01:10:18,440
well, I don't support that person. Why'd they put a sign there?

969
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:19,600
I said, pull it.

970
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:22,560
Oh, okay.

971
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,420
You know, and people would get up in front of the console.

972
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:28,860
You know, that's nice when you've been around here 20, 25 years

973
01:10:28,860 --> 01:10:33,920
remember these little things. But I think we're trying to make something a little bit

974
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,200
more difficult than it needs to be. What about this? What about that? In the past, the ordinance

975
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,860
was simple. From this date to this date, we're political science. If you were doing signs

976
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:50,980
for a yard sale, it was so much before and until the yard sale, whatever the case

977
01:10:50,980 --> 01:10:57,280
may be. It seemed to have worked for years and years and years. You're not going

978
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,600
to get all of them. People lose a dog or a cat or whatever and they want to put a sign

979
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,720
out. Most of the time they're not making plastic signs that are going to last for the next

980
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:13,740
20 years. So it's going to evaporate and people come along and pick them up anyway.

981
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:21,300
I think we just need to look at things realistically and be a little bit more, we're not going

982
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:25,900
to cover every instance of everything under the sun, but just being a little realistic

983
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:29,860
looking at what we had in the past, and just kind of going back to most of that.

984
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,440
In most cases, people aren't going to get too carried away and put things out.

985
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:41,700
If they're referencing a church service, they're going to reference a church service.

986
01:11:42,980 --> 01:11:45,660
Usually it's not going to be out there forever and ever and ever,

987
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,660
and you're always going to have somebody who...

988
01:11:47,660 --> 01:11:50,500
You can't make a rule for somebody who's going to violate it,

989
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,720
because a lot of these sign ordinances anyway,

990
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,980
the biggest violations were the people who put them in place would violate them the most.

991
01:11:59,860 --> 01:12:04,120
So it's like anything. It's not the rule, it's not the process, it's not the procedure,

992
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,920
it's the people and their integrity and their ethics is what it comes down to.

993
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,720
So I just go back to what we had in the past, start there and work your way forward.

994
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:13,600
Thank you.

995
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:15,760
Thank you, John. Do we have any?

996
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:18,760
Yep. Go ahead.

997
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:28,800
I actually wanted to agree with this gentleman right because where I live there is no sidewalk

998
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:33,120
so it's basically my grass goes right up to the curb and then that's where the street's

999
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:33,280
at.

1000
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:39,440
There's a maple tree I think maybe a few feet from there that apparently belongs to the

1001
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:39,680
city.

1002
01:12:39,980 --> 01:12:41,180
They're supposed to maintain it.

1003
01:12:42,420 --> 01:12:43,140
It's not.

1004
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:46,720
It's actually the ugliest tree on the street even though I have a beautiful house.

1005
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,120
beautiful house with 52 palm trees and there's this one maple tree that's just

1006
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:56,520
never kept up right so I just got to believe and then I asked hey can I

1007
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:01,480
remove it but they said no if you remove it you're gonna find so I said okay so

1008
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:05,040
I have to maintain it I have to pay someone every month someone has to come

1009
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:10,300
down you know cut the grass that's technically not my part right that's

1010
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:16,300
right around the tree so I figured if someone were to come put up a sign

1011
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:21,360
on my, on my grass, which I technically, it's like my grass right now, I live at the end

1012
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:26,780
of a cul-de-sac, right? So, you know, I'd probably remove it. But I think like, you know, especially

1013
01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:31,800
if it was someone that I wasn't, let's say, a political sign that I wasn't maybe in tune

1014
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,960
to, but I think you had said earlier, someone over here had said earlier, if it wasn't

1015
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,960
a political sign, and it could be, you know, just have a nice day or have a bad day,

1016
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,720
I don't know, you know, whatever it was, right?

1017
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,260
I mean, who's to determine, I think you had said,

1018
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,340
what determines temporary?

1019
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:53,060
So does that mean that if I don't remove it,

1020
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,800
I have to see that sign every time I come out of my house

1021
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,300
for who knows how long?

1022
01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:59,920
I mean, so I, you know,

1023
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,940
so that has to be something that I think that, you know,

1024
01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:06,660
and I mean, there's no criticism here.

1025
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,040
I know everybody's trying to figure out

1026
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,100
how to, you know, put these rules in place,

1027
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:16,260
But there should be some consideration into that someone shouldn't be able to just go up there and just put signs

1028
01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:21,580
You know and be able to leave it there for the late any you know any ridiculous length of time

1029
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:25,340
So that's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Okay next steady

1030
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:35,730
Fees and fines I imagine is connected to this not now somewhere in the future

1031
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:45,410
Away from my public easement my personal public easement the park area signs that get hung up there

1032
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:52,590
who's responsible for those signs when they're left there temporarily six months

1033
01:14:52,590 --> 01:14:57,190
later not even that long three weeks later they're on the floor blowing into my

1034
01:14:57,190 --> 01:14:59,130
yard into the curbside

1035
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,540
The city doesn't take responsibility for those, but yet you want to seem to control public easement

1036
01:15:07,090 --> 01:15:14,240
adjacent to my property, whether someone can place a sign there or not. Homeowners take

1037
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:20,480
the responsibility of either coming afterwards and picking them up or just outright removing

1038
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:30,300
them. I remove them. But the city doesn't do that in its own public walkway. And I think

1039
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:36,060
that's a failure on the city's part. We know that there was a contract once upon a time

1040
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:43,060
where they would go out and pick up these numerous garage sale signs that get posted.

1041
01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:47,840
It used to be weekends, now it's Sunday to Monday, right?

1042
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:51,640
That contract was not renewed.

1043
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,060
Consequently, we have tremendous amount of trash

1044
01:15:56,060 --> 01:16:00,800
that gets left hung up on public easement.

1045
01:16:01,340 --> 01:16:08,320
That is poles, light poles, hammered into the park palm

1046
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:15,760
trees into the very front of my neighbor's homes because she happens to have two public

1047
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:26,620
palm trees of the many that line, Lark Allen, and as the previous speaker said, that's an

1048
01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:32,080
ugly thing to have to come out every morning and look at somebody's signage.

1049
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:34,820
But the

1050
01:16:34,820 --> 01:16:41,000
is not helping in that area so I think before you decide whether it should be

1051
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:46,380
in my public easement or not you should probably look into your own home your

1052
01:16:46,380 --> 01:16:50,580
own house that is the park and the areas that you have full control of and maybe

1053
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:55,620
develop some sort of method of cleaning that up before trying to tell the

1054
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:59,440
residents what should or should not go on their property thank you okay thank

1055
01:16:59,440 --> 01:16:59,540
Thank you.

1056
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,580
Any resident want to make a comment?

1057
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,740
But now I'm going to close the public comment,

1058
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:08,460
and then we're going to bring back

1059
01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:10,340
to the council discussion.

1060
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:11,580
Okay, go ahead.

1061
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,820
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1062
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:14,760
You know, I'm all for this,

1063
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,580
being able to put signs out there

1064
01:17:16,580 --> 01:17:19,040
and right in front of the little walkway there.

1065
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,720
I wanted this to happen sometime back.

1066
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,680
We brought it forward because I'm a few years ago,

1067
01:17:26,220 --> 01:17:28,220
I do recall at one time,

1068
01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:35,880
I even had council or make her council member shoemaker. It's one of her signs and she's run for school board in front of my house

1069
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:41,820
Oh, no, no walkway. I had one of council of a mayor of Tony Wood sign in my yard give you that large

1070
01:17:43,740 --> 01:17:47,700
Yeah, but I'm the same what I'm saying I did have your sign out there

1071
01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:54,640
Nobody put any signs in front of my house that I didn't want there if they were to I would have taken them down

1072
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,540
which I would expect that if I put one of my signs in front of someone else's house

1073
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:00,540
that way they'll be right.

1074
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,500
Now we have to understand a lot of residents,

1075
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:04,360
they have block walls with wrought iron fences.

1076
01:18:05,140 --> 01:18:07,500
If it's just behind there, you're not going to see them sometimes

1077
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:10,040
because they're not out where people can see them.

1078
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:11,040
It does hide them.

1079
01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:15,680
So I do believe that this has been going on for many, many years.

1080
01:18:16,380 --> 01:18:19,220
We just changed it a few years back, which it should have never been changed.

1081
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:20,300
But it was.

1082
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:26,040
So I believe that the right thing to do is for us to discuss it and move forward with it

1083
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,560
And I'd like to see it to go back where you're allowed to put them out there because like he says

1084
01:18:30,340 --> 01:18:30,700
like

1085
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:32,200
Mr. Shoemaker said

1086
01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:38,180
We have to maintain that little piece of property in front of our house if the grass grows six feet

1087
01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:42,480
Co people don't come out and say we have to mow it because that is even though belongs to the city

1088
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:45,180
We as a property owner we have to maintain it

1089
01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:48,780
So that's telling us that we have the right to do what we have to do on our property

1090
01:18:48,780 --> 01:18:54,840
property. I do not have sidewalks on my street. So I do have a block wall there, but I don't

1091
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:00,840
have, so it does separate. But my block wall is 10 feet back from the curb. So I do maintain

1092
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,900
the front yard in front of it. If somebody comes and puts a, I'm going to tell you

1093
01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:08,880
right now if somebody puts a sign in there, it's not staying. Because I don't want

1094
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,880
somebody putting something in front of my house that I'm not aligned with. And

1095
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,580
I don't think anyone should have that right to do it. I don't think any council

1096
01:19:16,580 --> 01:19:20,400
member up here or anybody should say you know what I'm not aligned with that I do

1097
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,280
not believe in that it was a religious saying that you don't believe in why we

1098
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,980
do want that in front of your house and so I'm just saying so I think that we

1099
01:19:27,980 --> 01:19:31,600
have to look at it and I would like to see us move forward with it if it wants

1100
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,660
to come back at a certain time that's I'm for that but I think you know it's

1101
01:19:35,660 --> 01:19:39,200
the right thing to do is to give the property owner the right to say yes

1102
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,180
between your property right there and this in the curb we should have the

1103
01:19:43,180 --> 01:19:46,260
right to put a political sign there or a temporary sign

1104
01:19:46,260 --> 01:19:47,380
but we want to say it.

1105
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:47,680
Thank you.

1106
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:49,180
Thank you, Councilman Johnson.

1107
01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:51,360
Any other council discussion?

1108
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:53,500
Anyone to say anything?

1109
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:54,460
None?

1110
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,500
OK, I want to follow Councilman Johnson regarding

1111
01:19:59,180 --> 01:20:00,040
and the right-of-way.

1112
01:20:01,060 --> 01:20:05,960
And yet, you're talking about you put my sign back

1113
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,600
in 2015, but that time we didn't pass the new ordinance.

1114
01:20:09,980 --> 01:20:12,460
And that is approved by us.

1115
01:20:12,460 --> 01:20:21,320
I think in 2017, we approved that we do not allow and have to sign all the places in the

1116
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:28,580
public area, including telephone pool and this and that because we sold in 2015, we see

1117
01:20:28,580 --> 01:20:30,020
the signs like all the places.

1118
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:37,480
And I think that's why we approved the new ordinance is only allowed a private property

1119
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:41,520
to put a sign in front of their front yard

1120
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,500
must have the concern of the resident.

1121
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,140
And at the same time, in the last year,

1122
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:50,180
when we have the election, we saw it,

1123
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,160
much more cleaner city than before.

1124
01:20:53,420 --> 01:20:55,940
We're on the street, we're not clouded with sign,

1125
01:20:56,180 --> 01:20:58,620
like hundreds of signs and this and that.

1126
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:00,560
And speaking to receive a lot of money

1127
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,620
for all those candidates that don't have

1128
01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:05,760
to put a sign on the street,

1129
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,120
speaking truth, it doesn't even work. So what I'm saying is, obviously, it looks much cleaner.

1130
01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:16,260
Okay, only allow the people that support you, the private property, put a sign, okay, it's

1131
01:21:16,260 --> 01:21:20,420
the freedom of speech. While they're put in the public area, it's not really, they

1132
01:21:20,420 --> 01:21:25,360
don't vote. The people vote for you, it's the person on the property and registered

1133
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:31,180
to vote. And then regarding the right-of-way, that is kind of vague, okay, that should

1134
01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:34,220
We allowed, and last year when I was still knocking,

1135
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,000
I see a lot of right-of-way, and people have blocked wall.

1136
01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:39,900
I don't even feel, okay, want to put a sign

1137
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:42,540
because I think let's belong to the, okay, city,

1138
01:21:43,100 --> 01:21:46,440
okay, on the street, okay, city property, okay,

1139
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,920
and then if I can put over there,

1140
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,100
all the people maybe will put over there, too.

1141
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,860
So in that way, I just give up, okay,

1142
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:54,480
and even they want to support me.

1143
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,000
But the point is, okay, some of the residents,

1144
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,120
correct, okay, some of this right-of-way,

1145
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,940
and the tree we planted and the tree is dead or the tree is overgrown,

1146
01:22:05,340 --> 01:22:08,300
why the city didn't go back to clean it?

1147
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,880
And because when I asked the resident, they say,

1148
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,020
no, there is belong to the city.

1149
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:14,480
So the city needs to clean it.

1150
01:22:14,660 --> 01:22:15,620
They refuse to do anything.

1151
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:21,540
So in that way, we need to define who maintenance is there right away.

1152
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:24,800
If we own it, the city owns it, the city has to maintenance.

1153
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:25,940
The city has to clean it.

1154
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:26,760
The city has to clean the tree.

1155
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,180
we plant a tree and the tree dead, we have to remove it.

1156
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,960
Otherwise, it looks horrible over there

1157
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,700
and it doesn't even do anything.

1158
01:22:34,980 --> 01:22:37,460
But in that way, since last year,

1159
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,540
we see much cleaner of the street, of the city,

1160
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:45,500
I really have a hard time to support to put this sign

1161
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:47,760
because we might open the counter warm.

1162
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,500
That might be have all the thing,

1163
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,520
they want to put all the places

1164
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:53,940
because it's right away

1165
01:22:53,940 --> 01:23:03,920
And they do not even have the people's, okay, of a concern because most of people thinking about that belong to the public, to the, belong to the city, so they won't say anything.

1166
01:23:04,060 --> 01:23:08,720
So in that way, we are clouded again, went back, go back to before.

1167
01:23:09,020 --> 01:23:12,800
So what we're trying to do is a clean city, okay?

1168
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:18,360
We tried to do the improvement, and we did it back in 2017.

1169
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:23,620
I think we should continue to follow that because last year, if it worked fine, I think

1170
01:23:23,620 --> 01:23:25,080
it will work fine next year.

1171
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:33,080
So I really cannot support this because I see the result last year is much cleaner, a lot

1172
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:38,720
of people are much happier about the city look like, not clouded with all this political

1173
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:39,120
science.

1174
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,240
Especially, we have a major election coming out in 2020, you're going to see a lot of

1175
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,880
sign, and I think they will make a lot of residents not too happy about that, and plus

1176
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:55,400
co-enforcement need to go to enforce regarding all those sign garages on that, that need to

1177
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:02,280
be removed and that need to be cleaned up. Okay, thank you. Okay, Council Member Schumacher.

1178
01:24:04,580 --> 01:24:16,540
I've run in four campaigns myself. My dad ran three times. And never did I run across

1179
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:22,380
the problem of putting my signs on somebody's private property without their permission.

1180
01:24:23,180 --> 01:24:30,800
You just don't do that. And as someone who is well aware that the property owners

1181
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:38,500
maintain their parkway. I would never put a sign in somebody's parkway that wouldn't

1182
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:44,160
allow it. I don't think the general public is aware that the parkways are city property.

1183
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:51,560
They consider it the house that is in front of property. This proposed amendment isn't

1184
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:57,340
allowing signs to go back up on post. It's not allowing it to go back on the sidewalks

1185
01:24:57,340 --> 01:25:00,840
along Azusa, where you would have a sign in every tree well.

1186
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,280
This is talking about property in front of somebody's house.

1187
01:25:06,620 --> 01:25:11,720
You know, a lot of people come up here and accuse us of wanting to stifle the First Amendment.

1188
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,420
You know, political speech should be allowed and be visible in this city.

1189
01:25:16,740 --> 01:25:21,840
Besides the fact that this, we're focused on political signs here, but this is for temporary signs in general.

1190
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:31,980
So, if somebody is maintaining their property, and that's why I've brought up we need to address that people will be allowed to remove signs from there.

1191
01:25:32,060 --> 01:25:34,960
If they're required to maintain it, they should be allowed to remove it.

1192
01:25:36,340 --> 01:25:46,800
I don't see an issue here. Quite frankly, anywhere my political signs were, I had permission from a homeowner before this last election.

1193
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,440
and all that happened is it was cleaner

1194
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,360
because you couldn't see the signs

1195
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,260
because they were by people's front doors instead,

1196
01:25:53,580 --> 01:25:56,440
where before I may have had one sign on the street

1197
01:25:56,440 --> 01:25:58,240
because it was on the street where you can see it.

1198
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,300
Instead I had to have 10, so everybody,

1199
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,480
hopefully you'll see one by somebody's front door

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01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,760
or further back on the walkway.

1201
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:10,080
I don't think it made our city better.

1202
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,240
I think it made our city look like

1203
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,500
we had no interest in elections going on.

1204
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,200
And so I have no problem with allowing people

1205
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,500
who maintain those properties to put a sign up.

1206
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,360
We already have in place where if it has a date,

1207
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,580
it has to be removed within the 10 days

1208
01:26:30,580 --> 01:26:34,200
and add another line somewhere that deals with signs

1209
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,440
that do not have a date on them.

1210
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,340
So that's how I would support this.

1211
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:44,200
And I do have a question for the city attorney.

1212
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:47,840
This says to waive for the reading.

1213
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,160
Is it possible to approve this at just the first reading

1214
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,600
and have it come back for a second reading with proposed amendments?

1215
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,200
I will move to approve this for first reading

1216
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:08,460
and secondly that when it comes back for second reading

1217
01:27:08,460 --> 01:27:12,700
the ordinance be amended to state that

1218
01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:17,860
But if the property owner maintains it, somehow you're going to have to figure out how we

1219
01:27:17,860 --> 01:27:21,440
can work that, that they have control over what signs go there.

1220
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:29,360
And that we had ad language about temporary signs that don't have a date, how long they

1221
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:30,140
can be in place.

1222
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,980
So you understand her motion?

1223
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:34,300
You got it?

1224
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:34,580
Okay.

1225
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:35,260
Do I have a second?

1226
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:36,120
I'll second.

1227
01:27:36,820 --> 01:27:37,080
Okay.

1228
01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:38,280
Do we have any discussion?

1229
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:39,020
Yeah.

1230
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:39,580
Okay.

1231
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:40,020
Go ahead.

1232
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:46,700
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So I'd like to hear from our city attorney. How do you feel about

1233
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:55,160
this? I mean, would this potentially open us up to any kind of liability, cause unforeseen

1234
01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:01,820
problems, especially with code enforcement? Yeah, Mr. Mayor, legally you're not regulating

1235
01:28:01,820 --> 01:28:06,220
the content of this sign, so legally you're saying it's a temporary sign. I think we

1236
01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:10,020
talk about material and size. That's okay. You can time, place and manner. That's okay

1237
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:15,560
to do. Non-legal issues. I want to speak to you, but code enforcement, I think you heard

1238
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,080
from the public and you've heard from your fellow council members that there could be

1239
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:24,440
a number of signs. There could be blocking or they could be put in front of someone's

1240
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:27,900
house without their permission. You could run into some issue. You could get code

1241
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:31,140
enforcement calls. You could have some issues there. But legally, you're not

1242
01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:34,300
regulating the content. It's non-commercial. It's temporary. We can clean up the

1243
01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:39,280
definition of temporary for you and then we can talk about the property owner

1244
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,700
controlling and maintaining that parkway. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1245
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:46,600
Do we have any other comment, discussion?

1246
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,520
Although I have a roll call, please.

1247
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,280
Part of the roll call, if I could please read the ordinance title into the record,

1248
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,480
that being ordinance number 2464, an ordinance of the City Council of the

1249
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:04,020
City of West Covina, California amending sections 26-312 and 26-314 of the

1250
01:29:04,020 --> 01:29:10,760
West Covina municipal code to allow certain temporary non-commercial science to be placed in the parkways within municipal rights of way

1251
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:16,680
We have a motion by councilmember Shoemaker and seconded by councilman Johnson. Councilman Cosalanos. No

1252
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,200
Councilman Johnson. Hi

1253
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,500
Councilmember Shoemaker. Hi

1254
01:29:22,060 --> 01:29:24,100
Mayor pro tem Lopez viada. No

1255
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:25,880
Mayor who nope

1256
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,320
Okay, the motion failed. Okay is three two

1257
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,120
Okay, and then we move to agenda number ten

1258
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:42,760
Okay. The public hearing regarding the call amendment number 19-06 regarding accessory

1259
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:49,160
drolline unit and the junior accessory drolline unit. Okay. The measure set for the hearing

1260
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:56,420
by the council consists of an urgent ordinance to authorize accessory drolline unit and the

1261
01:29:56,420 --> 01:29:59,960
junior assessor drooling unit consists with a state law.

1262
01:30:00,020 --> 01:30:05,660
Requirement by amending the portion of Chapter 26 of the municipal code.

1263
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:07,920
Well, the deputy city, no, hold on.

1264
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:13,120
Okay, let's have our city manager who is going to present this.

1265
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:17,020
Mayor, this will be presented by Director Jeff Anderson.

1266
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:19,140
Jeff, please.

1267
01:30:23,530 --> 01:30:28,170
The PowerPoint has gone defunct, so I will be providing you with the information.

1268
01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:30,690
Again, there's no visual on this very much, anyway.

1269
01:30:30,690 --> 01:30:35,810
way. This is a code amendment 1906 for accessory dwelling units, which those of you have been

1270
01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:40,750
around for the last few years know, we seem to have to go through this process about once

1271
01:30:40,750 --> 01:30:49,850
a year. This year, the State passed several legislations late in the year in October and

1272
01:30:49,850 --> 01:30:56,330
there was September assigned in October by the Governor. So four bills basically

1273
01:30:56,330 --> 01:31:02,730
that were adopted SB 13, AB 68, AB 670, and AB 881.

1274
01:31:05,530 --> 01:31:07,930
The people who wrote those didn't seem to consult with one another.

1275
01:31:08,410 --> 01:31:11,770
So they're not, they're not, they don't edge match each other.

1276
01:31:11,950 --> 01:31:12,830
There's some issues.

1277
01:31:13,490 --> 01:31:17,310
So the legislation is ambiguous and the city's attorney's office and staff

1278
01:31:17,310 --> 01:31:22,070
did their best to interpret and get something on the books before January 1st.

1279
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:25,150
That was our goal, to get something on the books by January 1st.

1280
01:31:25,730 --> 01:31:26,930
When I say something on the books,

1281
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:29,230
something that's compliant with state law on the books.

1282
01:31:30,190 --> 01:31:35,630
So we prepared an urgency ordinance that would take effect on January 1st,

1283
01:31:35,690 --> 01:31:38,730
and the Planning Commission initiated a code amendment on November 26th

1284
01:31:38,730 --> 01:31:40,870
to allow this process to go forward.

1285
01:31:42,450 --> 01:31:45,170
Following the urgency ordinance that you're looking at tonight,

1286
01:31:45,310 --> 01:31:47,450
we will go through a normal code amendment process.

1287
01:31:47,690 --> 01:31:50,130
So there will be a little bit, I'm going to use the word leisurely.

1288
01:31:50,150 --> 01:31:52,490
I don't mean it's going to take a long time, but we're going to take some time

1289
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:57,990
to look at things, to look at the code, to go back and look at the standards, maybe I

1290
01:31:57,990 --> 01:32:01,970
think the city attorney's office will be looking at what other cities might be, how they have

1291
01:32:01,970 --> 01:32:07,930
interpreted HCD, the California Department of Housing and Community Development, which

1292
01:32:07,930 --> 01:32:12,490
we call HCD, has some authority over this and they'll also probably be making some

1293
01:32:12,490 --> 01:32:14,790
decisions and providing some direction as well.

1294
01:32:15,310 --> 01:32:19,370
So there's several things that are going to happen over the next few months in the

1295
01:32:19,370 --> 01:32:26,930
next year that will probably influence us to make some decisions on what ends up being

1296
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:27,330
in the ordinance.

1297
01:32:27,450 --> 01:32:31,510
So I wanted to put that up front that while we're done with something tonight, it's not

1298
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:35,570
necessarily going to be the end of our review or consideration.

1299
01:32:37,390 --> 01:32:45,550
So AB 68, I'm going to cover these each individually, AB 68 very quickly, requires cities allow

1300
01:32:45,550 --> 01:32:51,310
what's called a junior accessory dwelling unit, JDU. JDU is an accessory dwelling unit that

1301
01:32:51,310 --> 01:32:55,990
is built within a single-family residential structure and is no more than 500 square feet.

1302
01:32:56,470 --> 01:33:01,670
It must have kitchen facilities, but it could share the bathroom. So that was something that

1303
01:33:01,670 --> 01:33:07,370
we had before, but we chose not to initiate that. So it's not in our code now. In JDU,

1304
01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:12,490
the owner must reside in the primary unit or the JDU, and currently we don't have any of those

1305
01:33:12,490 --> 01:33:13,630
in our code.

1306
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:17,450
Secondly, we have AB 881, which is a bit longer

1307
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:18,890
and has more standards.

1308
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:22,030
ADUs must be allowed in all residential zones,

1309
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:25,310
and in certain circumstances, also allowed in mixed-use zones.

1310
01:33:26,810 --> 01:33:31,190
When I say all residential zones, I mean also higher residential,

1311
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:33,450
multi-family residential zones,

1312
01:33:33,530 --> 01:33:35,270
not just single-family residential zones.

1313
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:38,250
All ADUs, as well as JDUs,

1314
01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:40,710
must be approved within 60 days if they meet standards.

1315
01:33:41,550 --> 01:33:47,110
The grounds on which ADUs may be denied are now limited to water, sewer, traffic flow, and public safety.

1316
01:33:48,430 --> 01:33:53,750
Cities may no longer have minimum lot size for lots on which ADUs are allowed.

1317
01:33:54,550 --> 01:34:01,610
And the law provides that ADUs must be allowed within a proposed or existing primary dwelling or in a detached structure.

1318
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:06,650
The difference between an interior ADU and a JDU is the size and whether to go to a bathroom.

1319
01:34:06,650 --> 01:34:17,620
room. So 881 continued, cities may only require a 4-foot side yard or rear yard setback. No

1320
01:34:17,620 --> 01:34:24,980
setbacks may be required if the ADU is being converted from something that's constructed

1321
01:34:24,980 --> 01:34:36,500
in the same location and includes garages. So garage conversions are mandatory and no

1322
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:43,580
no longer impose an owner occupancy requirement for ADUs through 2025, and this requirement

1323
01:34:43,580 --> 01:34:48,180
may not be imposed on any units approved during that time. I don't know what happens in 2025.

1324
01:34:48,660 --> 01:34:52,360
We'll wait and see. It expires, but I don't know what the legislature will do.

1325
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:59,920
For attached ADUs, cities may establish a maximum square footage requirement of 850

1326
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:05,240
square feet for a studio and one bedroom units, and 1,000 square feet for one bedroom

1327
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:09,160
or 50% of the primary dwelling, that's for attached structures.

1328
01:35:09,380 --> 01:35:12,740
For detached, the maximum square footage is 1,200 square feet.

1329
01:35:14,220 --> 01:35:21,120
So then SB 13, owners with ADUs with building code violations

1330
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,540
can seek to defer corrections if it's not a matter of health and safety,

1331
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,760
and it applies to ADUs built prior to January 1st, 2020.

1332
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:35,440
20. And then AB 670, this section provides that CCNRs for lots zoned for single-family

1333
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:42,420
residential use may not prohibit or unreasonably restrict construction of ADUs or JDUs. So

1334
01:35:42,420 --> 01:35:46,720
basically what that means is that the CCNR, you can't use CCNRs, a homeowners association

1335
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:52,260
can't use CCNRs to fight someone converting their garage or constructing an accessory

1336
01:35:53,480 --> 01:36:02,560
So in effect, every lot in the city can now have a primary dwelling, a ADU and a JDU.

1337
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:09,910
There's a lot of editorial comments I'd like to make at this time, but I'm going to refrain.

1338
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:17,730
Following the adoption of the urgency ordinance, staff will draft a complete set of zoning standards

1339
01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:21,130
consistent with state law where there's room for local control.

1340
01:36:21,210 --> 01:36:23,830
So we're going to be looking for a situation where there's local control,

1341
01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:28,370
And we'll be talking to the planning commission about those and trying to institute what we can

1342
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:32,090
Staff reposes a planning commission study session

1343
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:36,770
Followed by a planning commission hearing and ultimately by city council hearing, which is our normal process

1344
01:36:36,770 --> 01:36:40,610
We do what we just talked about with the temporary sign. This is the same process that went through

1345
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:47,110
They proposed code movement is exempt from sequel as a general exemption and the city council

1346
01:36:47,110 --> 01:36:52,030
We're recommending that the city council adopt the urgency ordinance allowing the state mandated

1347
01:36:52,630 --> 01:36:57,670
standards to be in place on January 1, 2020. That concludes staff's presentation.

1348
01:36:58,410 --> 01:37:05,130
We'd be overjoyed to answer any questions. So, council, any question? No

1349
01:37:05,130 --> 01:37:11,390
question? Okay, okay, no question, so we are going to, okay, where the Deputy

1350
01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:17,350
City Clerk verifies, okay, a proper legal notice has been given. Verified. Okay,

1351
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:21,950
Now I'm going to open basically the public comment.

1352
01:37:22,350 --> 01:37:23,290
Anybody want to say anything?

1353
01:37:24,350 --> 01:37:25,730
Okay, go ahead, Herb.

1354
01:37:32,540 --> 01:37:36,700
Good evening, Mayor and Council members, staff, Herb Redholz,

1355
01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:38,900
resident and chairman of your Planning Commission.

1356
01:37:39,620 --> 01:37:40,200
I'm not happy.

1357
01:37:41,660 --> 01:37:42,900
I'm not happy at all.

1358
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:49,220
The State of California has taken the ability of West

1359
01:37:49,220 --> 01:37:54,940
and every other city in this state to have the kind of neighborhoods we want to have.

1360
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:56,620
It's gone.

1361
01:37:57,740 --> 01:38:01,760
I'm mad about that. We no longer have single-family zoning, really.

1362
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,880
In fact, we no longer have single-family zoning.

1363
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:13,000
I'm upset with our local legislators, some of which served on city councils,

1364
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,720
that all voted for this.

1365
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:19,520
These bills were introduced by Northern California legislators.

1366
01:38:21,340 --> 01:38:24,840
I'm kind of upset with the League of California Cities.

1367
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,580
I'm upset with – I mean, where was the notice on this?

1368
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:32,040
This just hit everybody. Nobody even saw this coming.

1369
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,580
Well, glad you saw it coming.

1370
01:38:37,540 --> 01:38:40,680
You know, we realize that there's an issue with affordable housing.

1371
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,260
We get that, okay?

1372
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,760
But where is the opportunity to work with the state

1373
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:49,820
to mitigate these issues and come up with solutions?

1374
01:38:49,980 --> 01:38:50,720
We never had that.

1375
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:53,940
They just threw the baby out with the bathwater.

1376
01:38:54,860 --> 01:38:55,760
Not happy.

1377
01:38:56,380 --> 01:38:57,180
And I'll tell you something.

1378
01:38:58,060 --> 01:39:00,720
This would have been somewhat more palatable

1379
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,180
if they had left the owner-occupied provision in there.

1380
01:39:05,060 --> 01:39:07,660
At least the owner's got to be somewhere on the property,

1381
01:39:07,740 --> 01:39:09,880
but no, they threw that out, too.

1382
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:15,780
So guess what? You have a statewide spec market. That's what you've got.

1383
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:20,820
You've got developers, speculators, whatever you want to call them.

1384
01:39:20,980 --> 01:39:24,660
They're going to come in and buy houses and buy property.

1385
01:39:26,420 --> 01:39:30,240
And you have minimum to no setbacks.

1386
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,040
You have no minimum lot requirement anymore.

1387
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:34,800
The owner doesn't have to be there.

1388
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:38,900
These spec people are going to come in here. They don't care about West Covina.

1389
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:43,060
They're just here to, you know, to make a buck.

1390
01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:46,740
That's great, but it's going to be at the expense of our cities.

1391
01:39:47,140 --> 01:39:48,480
You know, for years on the planning commission,

1392
01:39:49,260 --> 01:39:51,560
most of us who sit on that side on the planning commission,

1393
01:39:51,740 --> 01:39:54,800
we're concerned about maintaining the character and integrity of our neighborhoods.

1394
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:57,060
That's job one.

1395
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:58,900
It's gone.

1396
01:40:00,460 --> 01:40:01,700
It's completely gone.

1397
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:03,900
I don't know if the people realize how,

1398
01:40:03,940 --> 01:40:07,640
what a dramatic and horrible effect this could have,

1399
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:09,800
Not all down West convenient about every city

1400
01:40:10,940 --> 01:40:16,880
Single-family housing what the heck is that now? We didn't allow the J do's good God now

1401
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,160
We're gonna have 500 foot apartments built on to our homes

1402
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,680
Not happy. I don't you know, it's an urgency thing. They just ran it down my throat

1403
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:30,680
So these are legislators that I've supported

1404
01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:33,000
And I ain't happy with them

1405
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:40,540
My people they're my people and I'm upset almost that pissed. I'm upset with these people

1406
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:44,300
This is terrible. Now, what can we do about it?

1407
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,520
I don't know, but Pasadena, at their last council meeting,

1408
01:40:48,020 --> 01:40:50,140
they were not happy and they want to take action.

1409
01:40:50,380 --> 01:40:52,480
They want to take legal action against the city.

1410
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:56,120
Now, against, oh God, thank you, against the state.

1411
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,200
They want to take action against the state

1412
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:59,940
and they're looking into what they can do.

1413
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,320
You know, the word is this is bulletproof.

1414
01:41:02,860 --> 01:41:05,100
If you try and go against them, they're going to come back with you,

1415
01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:07,040
you know, with the full force of the state.

1416
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,520
But let me tell you something, there is strength in numbers.

1417
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:15,460
I think it behooves this city to talk to other cities.

1418
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,740
I don't think anybody's thrilled about this and see what we can do.

1419
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:24,060
Unlike district in where we folded up our tents and ran off,

1420
01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:26,080
this is a fight that needs to be fought.

1421
01:41:26,860 --> 01:41:28,720
This is terrible. It's devastating.

1422
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:31,340
And for us to just, you know,

1423
01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:34,780
twiddle our thumbs and accept it is a big mistake.

1424
01:41:34,780 --> 01:41:41,820
We have to talk to other cities get together and find out what we can do to fight this. This is devastating

1425
01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:45,580
We're going to take it up on the on the planning commission in the next couple of months

1426
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:53,520
It's it's ugly it's ugly. I'm sorry to see this happen. I'm disappointed with the legislators

1427
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:58,740
I'm disappointed with the with the governor. I'm disappointed with the fact this happened in September and BAM October

1428
01:41:58,740 --> 01:42:00,300
It's the law really

1429
01:42:01,220 --> 01:42:04,060
With no no, I mean I didn't know about it

1430
01:42:04,060 --> 01:42:08,100
You know, I was so upset, I called James, I got to talk to you before it comes in front of us.

1431
01:42:08,140 --> 01:42:12,480
I got to talk to you about this. What the heck is this? This is terrible. I got 20 seconds.

1432
01:42:12,820 --> 01:42:18,220
How much more time can I vent? 18 seconds. Anyway, you guys know this is bad.

1433
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:23,520
I need more time. But we got to do something. We got to fight this.

1434
01:42:23,740 --> 01:42:26,460
We got to fight this. We got to be on the same side, on the same team,

1435
01:42:26,780 --> 01:42:30,120
and do what we can to fight this. Put on your boxing gloves and let's go. Thank you.

1436
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:36,440
Thank you any other coming yeah come I think Huntington Beach tried to fight it

1437
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:40,740
we all know how that turned out right we did know this was gonna happen it

1438
01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:46,420
happened in 2017 right and it was only for a year and we didn't know back then

1439
01:42:46,420 --> 01:42:50,980
and the city came and made a lot of changes and I actually would have liked

1440
01:42:50,980 --> 01:42:54,080
to have been participating in that program and wasn't able to because you

1441
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,540
guys changed it you know so you know there are people that are moving out

1442
01:42:57,540 --> 01:43:01,760
of the city. People that are moving out of the state because people can't afford to live

1443
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:09,860
here anymore. Now, how many people actually did ADUs in 2017? I mean, how many? How many

1444
01:43:09,860 --> 01:43:14,240
are going to do them today? At least they'll do them legally because I know a whole hell

1445
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:19,660
of a lot of them that are illegal. Where people are living in places, you guys don't

1446
01:43:19,660 --> 01:43:23,180
even know about it. Code enforcement doesn't even know about it. Hopefully this law,

1447
01:43:23,180 --> 01:43:28,480
when it passes in January, right, it'll get those people to come back and do it legally

1448
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:35,140
so people can live in actually, you know, in places where, you know, they're not in danger,

1449
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,800
you know, so I'm going to cut it short.

1450
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:38,900
I'm not going to take four minutes.

1451
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:40,140
I'm for it.

1452
01:43:40,420 --> 01:43:40,720
I'll

1453
01:43:54,570 --> 01:43:57,170
be real brief, but I suppose you're going to have to go around and strip all

1454
01:43:57,170 --> 01:44:01,010
that red paint off of curbsides because there's going to be nowhere to park for

1455
01:44:01,010 --> 01:44:01,890
all these folks.

1456
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:05,430
And I don't get it.

1457
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:12,350
So you adopt it an ordinance in the county that will find me for violations,

1458
01:44:13,090 --> 01:44:16,270
electrical, windows, and what have you.

1459
01:44:16,710 --> 01:44:23,130
But if I heard correctly, these folks get a pass on these granny flats to some extent.

1460
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:31,200
That inconsistency is too prevalent among government.

1461
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,740
And I think the Planning Commissioner said,

1462
01:44:36,620 --> 01:44:38,280
I think this would be the first time,

1463
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,500
because I've never seen the joint cities come together

1464
01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:45,060
and fight Sacramento.

1465
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:49,200
But at some point in time, if the cities don't,

1466
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,840
then we might as well do away with the city

1467
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,340
and just follow the direction of the state.

1468
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:58,540
I really hope that something's done

1469
01:44:58,540 --> 01:44:59,740
And then...

1470
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:08,920
There are quite a few illegal conversions already, and I still believe that you need to be held

1471
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:15,440
accountable with your force, uh, code enforcement to do something about that. It may be too late

1472
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:25,780
now because these new rules seem to protect those sort of conversions, and if they're

1473
01:45:25,780 --> 01:45:33,700
legal today, I guess come January 1st they will be. So maybe a little too late, but I

1474
01:45:33,700 --> 01:45:41,460
don't ignore the fact that you've had code enforcement. These illegal conversions have

1475
01:45:41,460 --> 01:45:49,960
been growing, so you've kind of been a part of rolling out this very legislature. Okay?

1476
01:45:50,340 --> 01:45:50,580
Legislature.

1477
01:45:50,580 --> 01:45:56,160
Thank you, Jerry. And any other comments? Jerry, why not? Hey, Merry Christmas.

1478
01:46:00,250 --> 01:46:05,870
I actually would like to just take a second and thank Jeff Anderson for the way he's handled this.

1479
01:46:06,090 --> 01:46:10,670
I too am bothered by it because the city is going to change. I've left areas.

1480
01:46:11,610 --> 01:46:16,130
I don't want to live in downtown L.A. purposely. I wanted to live in the suburbs,

1481
01:46:16,270 --> 01:46:21,770
and I'm going to now live in downtown L.A. mini version, and it's happening.

1482
01:46:21,770 --> 01:46:25,990
I would much rather have local control, and that's the real issue.

1483
01:46:27,250 --> 01:46:28,710
It's local control.

1484
01:46:29,950 --> 01:46:36,230
The state is taken away, and they do it on this, then I'll do it on the next thing and the next thing.

1485
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:39,870
I agree with Herb.

1486
01:46:40,330 --> 01:46:45,210
Cities should band together and push back because it is a local control issue.

1487
01:46:45,210 --> 01:46:49,590
It's not going to solve the housing thing, but let people think it will.

1488
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:58,450
Well, I sent a request or a concern I had that I had heard on rumors on these ADUs that

1489
01:46:58,450 --> 01:47:02,010
people could start adding second stories to their garage.

1490
01:47:02,290 --> 01:47:10,550
And I'm in my backyard thinking, I, my elevation is lower than the street behind me.

1491
01:47:10,710 --> 01:47:15,010
And you know, I'm thinking I'm going to be really claustrophobic.

1492
01:47:16,570 --> 01:47:23,110
He did a wonderful job of getting back to me really fast and that's not going to happen

1493
01:47:24,130 --> 01:47:24,730
apparently.

1494
01:47:25,190 --> 01:47:30,750
And between the Planning Commission, I'd like to thank the Planning Commissioners who voted

1495
01:47:31,550 --> 01:47:37,390
for the urgency ordinance because had they not, I think it would be worse.

1496
01:47:37,530 --> 01:47:43,830
But I would like to see you consider at least through this process of listening to what other cities are doing

1497
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:47,130
because I am really concerned it's going to get worse. Thank you.

1498
01:47:47,730 --> 01:47:50,470
Thank you, Jerry. Any other comments? Any other residents?

1499
01:47:51,390 --> 01:47:56,130
If not, I'm going to close a public comment. I'm going to open the council discussion.

1500
01:47:57,070 --> 01:48:01,570
Any council want to talk about this? Okay. Councilman Casiano.

1501
01:48:02,250 --> 01:48:05,470
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's a topic we've discussed thoroughly before.

1502
01:48:06,230 --> 01:48:09,990
Not an easy one to really figure out.

1503
01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:17,390
And based on, well, everyone's concerns and everything we've talked about, we should monitor

1504
01:48:17,390 --> 01:48:18,030
this closely.

1505
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:24,850
The state is moving probably a bit too fast, and as Jeff mentioned, seemingly they didn't

1506
01:48:24,850 --> 01:48:27,350
really collaborate and communicate with each other.

1507
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:30,950
So we should keep an eye on this.

1508
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:31,830
Thank you.

1509
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:35,700
Any other comment?

1510
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:36,940
Go ahead.

1511
01:48:37,180 --> 01:48:37,280
Okay.

1512
01:48:37,420 --> 01:48:38,360
Councilmember Schumacher.

1513
01:48:39,700 --> 01:48:46,300
I'll just take this opportunity to bring up again where was our lobbyists.

1514
01:48:46,780 --> 01:48:54,040
We discussed ADUs that I believe my second meeting and I said at that point there were

1515
01:48:54,040 --> 01:49:02,600
bills pending that would dramatically affect local control when it came to ADUs and nothing

1516
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:06,920
from our lobbyists at that point and this is what's happened.

1517
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:12,520
And every, there were five out of six bills and there's still another one that's a two-year

1518
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,360
bill right now that pertains to ADUs.

1519
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:22,080
So if we're going to continue to pay a lobbyist to not inform us, how do I get on payroll?

1520
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:30,360
And I agree with Mr. Redholz and Councilman Castellanos that we need to start contacting

1521
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:40,780
in other cities, Mayor Wu, maybe one of the groups you're on, Cog, can start discussing

1522
01:49:40,780 --> 01:49:48,500
this and we're behind the ball because they're already in effect, but maybe we can get some

1523
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:50,680
type of rollback, some type of control back.

1524
01:49:51,940 --> 01:49:53,060
Any other council member?

1525
01:49:53,420 --> 01:49:53,560
Okay.

1526
01:49:53,980 --> 01:49:54,940
Council Member Johnson?

1527
01:49:55,340 --> 01:49:56,320
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1528
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,340
You know, I've gone over this and gone over it and gone over it.

1529
01:49:59,340 --> 01:50:01,560
And there's nothing about it. I like it all

1530
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:09,440
And I'm very upset very disgusted with the way it is it puts us in the predicament where we can't do anything about it

1531
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:13,980
But I am the state's of a record right now. I can't support this in that

1532
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:16,620
So I will be voting no one it would come soon

1533
01:50:18,100 --> 01:50:21,520
Any other council members want to go ahead?

1534
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,980
Mr. City Attorney, can you please clarify?

1535
01:50:29,140 --> 01:50:32,000
Why this is an urgency ordinance?

1536
01:50:32,440 --> 01:50:37,820
We need to and January 1 the the bills we've been talking about go and take effect

1537
01:50:37,820 --> 01:50:41,480
We need to get this in place by January 1st

1538
01:50:41,480 --> 01:50:45,200
So we still came and maintain some local control and being in compliance and at the same time

1539
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:50,400
We're going to send it to the planning Commission to study and then it'll come back to you for first and second reading

1540
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,920
It's an urgency ordinance tonight when we need a fourth this vote from this council

1541
01:50:55,740 --> 01:51:01,040
So to clarify you said it great, but if we do not pass this tonight

1542
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:07,480
We are going to lose whatever local control is left and we'll be met. Mr.

1543
01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:12,940
Mayor will be subject to the state statutes and so whether or not we agree

1544
01:51:12,940 --> 01:51:20,080
with this in order to maintain whatever little control we have left we support

1545
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:26,980
it or the state takes control so this is one of these situations where

1546
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:36,240
Welcome to the council, but I want to make very clear that I do not support having to

1547
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:36,800
do this ordinance.

1548
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:42,880
I do not support the bills that made these ordinances necessary, but I definitely support

1549
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:48,480
maintaining the minute amount of local control that was left.

1550
01:51:49,900 --> 01:51:58,940
I have a question. Do we still have the building, the last size, the minimum ratio, 35 percent?

1551
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:01,260
Do we still have control of that? We do not.

1552
01:52:01,900 --> 01:52:06,280
So we cannot even... Let me be clear, Mayor Wu. We do not have

1553
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:09,840
control when it comes to ADUs, when it comes to any other type of development or addition

1554
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:15,020
to the house we do, but not for ADUs. The point is this, right now our current

1555
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:22,860
call amendment, okay, ordinance that any property size, no matter 6,000 square feet, 5,000 square

1556
01:52:22,860 --> 01:52:29,520
feet, we cannot build more than 35% of the building. Am I right? So this is supposed to

1557
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:35,900
be including any structure, okay, including the ADU, that there should be 35%. Like last

1558
01:52:35,900 --> 01:52:42,860
time we discussed, if as long as we have 35%, we reduce that density, okay, so we don't

1559
01:52:42,860 --> 01:52:47,280
have the people bill over bill all the kind of thing you are correct it's a

1560
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:50,980
35% lock coverage so from a bird's-eye view looking down you can't cover more

1561
01:52:50,980 --> 01:52:56,240
than 35% of your lot with structures with roof with a roof on it and there was

1562
01:52:56,240 --> 01:53:00,200
some discussion about that previously in previous years about ad use well

1563
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:03,960
perhaps you don't need to have minimum lot size because that will cover it

1564
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:08,900
well yes but whoever drafted this they threw that out completely so basically

1565
01:53:08,900 --> 01:53:15,220
Okay, my understanding is, okay, the ADU, okay, no more than 1,200 square feet.

1566
01:53:16,020 --> 01:53:22,080
Okay, that's the biggest to stay allowed, okay, and the 4,500 square feet for the junior,

1567
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,660
but basically the most 1,200.

1568
01:53:24,780 --> 01:53:29,280
1,200 plus year existing and less supposed to be 35% ratio,

1569
01:53:29,380 --> 01:53:32,620
but now you're saying now the ratio we throw out of the roof,

1570
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:36,040
now we don't even have a lot of the 35% limitation?

1571
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:36,800
That's correct.

1572
01:53:39,870 --> 01:53:47,230
So they can build up and tie up 50%, 70% based on the state current impulse to us?

1573
01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:53,250
Well, probably they're not going to get to 70% because they can only add the maximum 1,200 square feet.

1574
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:57,930
So they could go 1,200 square feet over the lot coverage.

1575
01:53:58,330 --> 01:54:03,050
So on a smaller lot, I would agree with you, they might be able to get up to around 50%.

1576
01:54:03,050 --> 01:54:05,150
Yeah, because with COVID, I had some a lot.

1577
01:54:05,310 --> 01:54:07,250
I remember when I lived in the two, three, five,

1578
01:54:07,330 --> 01:54:09,930
live back in the, okay, 1989,

1579
01:54:10,430 --> 01:54:13,130
the last site is only 6,000 or 6,500.

1580
01:54:13,710 --> 01:54:19,350
So they easily to exist the 35% of a lot coverage, okay?

1581
01:54:19,610 --> 01:54:23,270
So many, your backyard will go to people's property.

1582
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:25,250
And but again, we still have a,

1583
01:54:25,450 --> 01:54:26,570
our building code, right?

1584
01:54:26,670 --> 01:54:28,510
We still have a setback, okay?

1585
01:54:28,510 --> 01:54:34,270
And so let's still apply to the building of the ADU.

1586
01:54:34,430 --> 01:54:44,490
Should be five feet and there's no, not even the safety, the walkway, the five feet set back.

1587
01:54:44,670 --> 01:54:45,350
Yes, not five feet.

1588
01:54:45,630 --> 01:54:48,290
The state and their wisdom decided that four feet was enough.

1589
01:54:49,770 --> 01:54:50,550
So it's four feet?

1590
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:51,250
Four feet.

1591
01:54:51,610 --> 01:54:53,970
So people can build four feet.

1592
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:55,230
How about the two-story?

1593
01:54:55,230 --> 01:55:01,510
How about, can we restrict people to build two-story, like what Jerry said, that she doesn't want people...

1594
01:55:01,510 --> 01:55:03,310
Yes, so I spoke with Jerry.

1595
01:55:04,190 --> 01:55:06,210
I'm not only Jerry, I'm talking about for a lot of people.

1596
01:55:07,690 --> 01:55:12,210
My understanding, and I think the way it's drafted right now, it doesn't change our second-story standards.

1597
01:55:12,810 --> 01:55:17,250
So we don't allow second-story in the rear yard setback up to 25 feet.

1598
01:55:17,410 --> 01:55:20,490
We don't allow second-stories in the front setback up to 30.

1599
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:23,250
We don't allow second-stories in the side setback up to 10.

1600
01:55:23,250 --> 01:55:28,390
So they couldn't have a second story unless they're outside of those buffers, so which they have some control

1601
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:31,110
We have controller which they have a control can go to the planning

1602
01:55:31,110 --> 01:55:38,790
Commission okay for them to commission it to review how they're in true for people's okay neighbors back yanked

1603
01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:45,230
Second stories will require an administrative use permit and go through my understanding ad you can view as two-story, too

1604
01:55:45,230 --> 01:55:53,230
You could build an ad you for a two-story ad you but the the state law didn't require us to approve those

1605
01:55:53,250 --> 01:55:59,810
They didn't mandate that so we can decline this two story so only one story

1606
01:55:59,810 --> 01:56:05,850
okay for the ADU. We could we I think we might want to be careful if we decline a

1607
01:56:05,850 --> 01:56:09,470
two-story that we don't do it because it's an ADU but we do it because of other

1608
01:56:09,470 --> 01:56:16,430
reasons. So right now we basically have no control at all because it's

1609
01:56:16,430 --> 01:56:21,410
sound like we cannot set back for five feet ten feet okay the at least a

1610
01:56:22,590 --> 01:56:28,570
And now how about between the unit before we say, what, six feet or 25 feet?

1611
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:30,310
Yeah, the state.

1612
01:56:31,150 --> 01:56:32,650
I think they go to five feet or something.

1613
01:56:32,650 --> 01:56:34,050
Yeah, this is bewildering to me.

1614
01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:40,670
But the state did put in a standard that you have to have a 10-foot separation between the house and the ADU.

1615
01:56:41,130 --> 01:56:45,530
What's bewildering about that is why they want more distance between the house and the ADU

1616
01:56:45,530 --> 01:56:47,270
than the ADU and then the neighborhood property.

1617
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:48,010
The neighborhood, yeah.

1618
01:56:48,230 --> 01:56:48,870
The only sense.

1619
01:56:49,230 --> 01:56:49,550
Four feet.

1620
01:56:49,550 --> 01:56:52,230
That's their wisdom, so we'll follow it.

1621
01:56:52,750 --> 01:56:55,050
Okay, so, okay, council, any other question?

1622
01:56:56,190 --> 01:56:59,150
So basically, tonight we have a no-choice try to,

1623
01:56:59,490 --> 01:57:03,990
let's try to, okay, get some minimum control to city.

1624
01:57:04,210 --> 01:57:07,810
If we don't approve them, we will lose everything.

1625
01:57:08,490 --> 01:57:11,290
So now we can get a little bit stuff.

1626
01:57:11,470 --> 01:57:12,410
That's exactly right.

1627
01:57:12,670 --> 01:57:17,370
Okay, okay, and any other council, sorry, Herb.

1628
01:57:17,730 --> 01:57:18,910
Okay, nothing we can do.

1629
01:57:19,550 --> 01:57:23,450
Okay, so anyway, let's go to the...

1630
01:57:23,450 --> 01:57:24,910
Do we have a motion to approve?

1631
01:57:26,410 --> 01:57:27,730
I'll make a motion to approve.

1632
01:57:27,950 --> 01:57:29,370
Okay, we have a motion to approve.

1633
01:57:29,490 --> 01:57:29,970
Do I have a second?

1634
01:57:30,290 --> 01:57:30,710
I'll second.

1635
01:57:31,070 --> 01:57:32,830
You have a very sad face, a second.

1636
01:57:34,210 --> 01:57:36,490
Okay, so you have a second with protest.

1637
01:57:36,730 --> 01:57:38,650
Okay, so we have a first and second.

1638
01:57:39,230 --> 01:57:39,930
Okay, roll call, please.

1639
01:57:40,770 --> 01:57:41,750
Prior to that roll call,

1640
01:57:41,790 --> 01:57:43,390
I'd just like to make note that the city did,

1641
01:57:43,410 --> 01:57:46,090
in fact, receive official opposition comments

1642
01:57:46,090 --> 01:57:49,010
from the California's for Home Ownership Association,

1643
01:57:49,390 --> 01:57:51,350
specifically their counsel through Matthew Gelfand.

1644
01:57:52,050 --> 01:57:53,310
And again, I would like to go ahead

1645
01:57:53,310 --> 01:57:54,750
and use this opportunity to read that ordinance

1646
01:57:54,750 --> 01:57:57,890
into the record, that being ordinance 2464,

1647
01:57:58,290 --> 01:57:59,410
an ordinance of the city council

1648
01:57:59,410 --> 01:58:01,010
of the city of West Covina, California.

1649
01:58:01,390 --> 01:58:04,250
Amending sections, my apologies,

1650
01:58:04,570 --> 01:58:06,110
we're moving to the next one, sorry about that.

1651
01:58:06,570 --> 01:58:08,830
Ordinance 2465, an urgency ordinance

1652
01:58:08,830 --> 01:58:10,490
of the West Covina city council

1653
01:58:10,490 --> 01:58:12,210
to authorize accessory dwelling units

1654
01:58:12,210 --> 01:58:13,910
and junior accessory dwelling units

1655
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:19,690
consistent with state law requiring requirements by amending portions of Chapter 26 of the municipal

1656
01:58:19,690 --> 01:58:20,070
code.

1657
01:58:20,510 --> 01:58:25,490
Moving forward, we have a motion by Councilman Casalanos and a second by Councilmember Schumaker.

1658
01:58:26,090 --> 01:58:28,650
Moving forward with the vote, we'll go for Councilmember Casalanos.

1659
01:58:29,150 --> 01:58:29,290
Aye.

1660
01:58:30,290 --> 01:58:31,010
Councilman Johnson.

1661
01:58:31,610 --> 01:58:31,890
No.

1662
01:58:32,670 --> 01:58:33,610
Councilmember Schumaker.

1663
01:58:34,110 --> 01:58:34,430
Aye.

1664
01:58:35,410 --> 01:58:36,590
Mayor Pro Temmelo-Pesviata.

1665
01:58:36,990 --> 01:58:37,310
Aye.

1666
01:58:37,670 --> 01:58:38,110
Mayor Wu.

1667
01:58:38,450 --> 01:58:38,690
Aye.

1668
01:58:38,690 --> 01:58:46,610
approved for one and let's go to the mayor council members report again any

1669
01:58:46,610 --> 01:58:50,730
council member have AP 1 2 3 4 the conference and meeting want to report

1670
01:58:51,330 --> 01:58:58,070
if they're not then we're moving to to 11 for mother may I from okay councilman

1671
01:58:58,070 --> 01:59:04,890
Johnson thank you mr. Mayor I brought this up for mother may I because on a

1672
01:59:04,890 --> 01:59:10,130
film industry, you know, we do get a lot of revenue or permits when we do this.

1673
01:59:10,670 --> 01:59:17,530
And what I would like to see is we could change it mainly for the industrial manufacturing area

1674
01:59:17,530 --> 01:59:23,710
like that to change the permit right now. I think you can only do it like five a year or something like that.

1675
01:59:24,130 --> 01:59:29,130
And there's some like, for example, I would say over by the Shiver Daily, they have a lot of,

1676
01:59:29,130 --> 01:59:32,550
They can do a lot more advertising and permits over there.

1677
01:59:32,870 --> 01:59:36,410
If we allow them to, back right now, they can only do only a couple of years.

1678
01:59:36,830 --> 01:59:40,930
So I'd like to bring that back to me and discuss it, where maybe you can up the unlimited

1679
01:59:40,930 --> 01:59:43,590
on the industrial area only.

1680
01:59:43,970 --> 01:59:45,270
There's nothing new at the residential area.

1681
01:59:45,630 --> 01:59:46,270
Any objection?

1682
01:59:46,750 --> 01:59:46,990
None?

1683
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:47,410
Okay.

1684
01:59:47,610 --> 01:59:51,650
Then we go to the mother may have, please investigate and research and bring back

1685
01:59:51,650 --> 01:59:52,910
to the council to discuss.

1686
01:59:53,210 --> 01:59:53,550
Thank you, sir.

1687
01:59:53,710 --> 01:59:53,810
Okay.

1688
01:59:53,970 --> 01:59:54,330
Thank you.

1689
01:59:54,690 --> 01:59:54,790
Okay.

1690
01:59:54,790 --> 01:59:55,510
Do we have any

1691
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,000
If not, I have one mother may I go ahead?

1692
02:00:03,460 --> 02:00:09,900
Well, I'd like to start off by thanking our city staff and our city manager for successfully

1693
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:14,500
completing a mother may I had earlier this year. That's our LEDs. Thank you for that.

1694
02:00:14,580 --> 02:00:15,100
Good job.

1695
02:00:15,660 --> 02:00:22,120
So many positive comments all the time. Another thing I'd like to thank city staff on is my

1696
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:26,320
mother may I to remove our newspaper stands. That's already looking better. I'd like to

1697
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:30,900
make one more request is for us to research can we remove the old pay phones

1698
02:00:30,900 --> 02:00:38,280
those are still pretty ugly they're nice or so we could look into that that that

1699
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:43,300
would be my request please any other mother may I if none I have a mother may

1700
02:00:43,300 --> 02:00:49,960
I okay I wonder okay city to researched and the report regarding the homeless

1701
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:54,900
initiative okay I think we have a homeless issue and I discuss with a

1702
02:00:54,900 --> 02:00:58,480
a lot of charity group and a lot of resources.

1703
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:03,860
I think we need to consolidate the city resource as a hub.

1704
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:07,420
Okay, and we can kind of put all the different agencies

1705
02:01:07,420 --> 02:01:09,340
and resources together, including the church,

1706
02:01:09,740 --> 02:01:11,320
including the mental health nonprofit.

1707
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:12,880
I talked to them, they're willing to help.

1708
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:15,320
So we need to consolidate, okay,

1709
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:16,920
put it together as a task.

1710
02:01:17,380 --> 02:01:19,360
Okay, and I know one, okay,

1711
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:21,500
and the program is very successful.

1712
02:01:21,500 --> 02:01:28,420
is from county and they have a member join task with our sheriff, with our police, and

1713
02:01:28,420 --> 02:01:34,620
I think the council remember, okay, and with the social worker, okay, and with our West

1714
02:01:34,620 --> 02:01:41,000
Covena PD, and we sweep, okay, all the encampment and to help to provide service and to help

1715
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:45,680
them to off the street, not just vacate them, but try to help them to off the street

1716
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:48,220
into the different service, and very successful.

1717
02:01:48,220 --> 02:01:55,600
I think I got a report from the police department, we helped almost 20 homeless people to find

1718
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:56,100
service.

1719
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:02,720
But unfortunately, okay, this program only did it two times in three years from county

1720
02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:06,680
and I asked county to continue their reviews because they said they don't have a budget.

1721
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:10,880
I don't know why they took out $9 million, but they don't have a budget.

1722
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:12,580
So I think we should do it ourselves.

1723
02:02:12,580 --> 02:02:20,200
We just consolidate our resource with our core enforcement staff with our backup by our

1724
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:26,640
law enforcement and with all this charity group and the resource that combine together, okay,

1725
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:30,860
let's try to help and sweep all these encampments to help those homeless.

1726
02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:36,840
I think that is what we need to do to before this epidemic homeless issue barriers.

1727
02:02:37,460 --> 02:02:38,920
So Mrs. Mother may I?

1728
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:41,040
Do we have any objection for that?

1729
02:02:42,500 --> 02:02:45,240
Okay, so anyway, this model may I please research,

1730
02:02:45,340 --> 02:02:46,760
see we can get a homeless initiative

1731
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:50,000
and then we can bring back to the council to discuss

1732
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:53,120
and it is all good and we could implement in 2020

1733
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:56,300
to see we can help out this major issue.

1734
02:02:56,700 --> 02:03:01,940
Okay, go ahead, okay, council member Shoemaker.

1735
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:03,660
Thank you.

1736
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:07,640
I had asked several times about the status

1737
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:13,020
of the city applying for Measure W, the Clean, Safe, Water program funds. The

1738
02:03:13,020 --> 02:03:18,240
call for projects first deadline was December 15th and for the second year the

1739
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:23,200
deadline is I believe July 1st of next year. That's millions of dollars

1740
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:27,320
available to the city and so I would like a report on whether or not we

1741
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:33,260
met the deadline for first-year funding and also where we're going to go for

1742
02:03:33,260 --> 02:03:38,520
the second year to what programs we're interested are we joining other cities

1743
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:44,700
agencies for the funding to do joint projects just what we're doing because I

1744
02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:49,180
don't like the idea that basically millions of dollars are sitting there for

1745
02:03:49,180 --> 02:03:54,500
us to implement under the safe clean water program I mean our taxpayers are

1746
02:03:54,500 --> 02:03:59,020
paying the parcel tax for it so we might as well actually be getting our

1747
02:03:59,020 --> 02:03:59,660
funds back.

1748
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:06,000
Any objections? None. Okay. Then we are going to have this mother may I to any

1749
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:12,060
other mother may I any other comment? Okay. Okay. Council. Councilman Johnson, would you

1750
02:04:12,060 --> 02:04:17,320
please? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just want to let everybody know that today I attended

1751
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:24,500
a funeral for a homeless veteran who passed away on the streets. And I just wanted to

1752
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:29,980
make a comment like I said that what a tragedy that was. You know we have a veteran who served

1753
02:04:29,980 --> 02:04:36,700
our country in Vietnam who died on the streets of homelessness and it goes back to a Mayor

1754
02:04:36,700 --> 02:04:42,960
Portem, is he kind of 15 when he's talking about the homeless? I'm sorry Mayor, you called her

1755
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:48,140
lady, I'm sorry, sorry Mr. Mayor. What the Mayor said, I said that for 18 months Mayor Portem

1756
02:04:50,140 --> 02:04:54,860
What the mayor said, you know, it goes to what he said about us homeless, you know.

1757
02:04:55,320 --> 02:05:00,380
And I didn't want to make a comment on what a tragedy that was to have to see a veteran

1758
02:05:00,380 --> 02:05:01,620
pass away like that.

1759
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:06,140
And his parents, his children from Texas did not want to have anything to do with him

1760
02:05:06,140 --> 02:05:10,460
because he had PTSD and it was a tragedy.

1761
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:12,780
So I didn't want to make that comment to everybody.

1762
02:05:13,180 --> 02:05:18,120
I know a green community was there with me and we went there and I wanted to

1763
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:23,820
I think it made me feel really proud to be able to pay our final respects to this Marine

1764
02:05:23,820 --> 02:05:24,560
who passed away.

1765
02:05:24,700 --> 02:05:30,780
And he took him out to the National Cemetery where he was buried with honors.

1766
02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:32,400
Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1767
02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:34,880
And I saw your post.

1768
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:37,440
I saw Mr. Kennedy post.

1769
02:05:37,540 --> 02:05:38,400
I think it's very touching.

1770
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:44,860
And I saw a lot of people show up and a lot of strangers weeping about this person.

1771
02:05:44,860 --> 02:05:50,940
And that's why I say we need to do something about this homeless initiative, not just sweep

1772
02:05:50,940 --> 02:05:51,440
them away.

1773
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:57,940
I think we should try to find a way to help and to provide service, and we can coordinate

1774
02:05:57,940 --> 02:05:59,580
with all the resources we have.

1775
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:03,340
I think we have a lot of resources with all the charity group and all this, that work

1776
02:06:03,340 --> 02:06:06,980
together to help those people, because a lot of people, I think, they're willing

1777
02:06:06,980 --> 02:06:07,480
to get help.

1778
02:06:07,820 --> 02:06:08,840
Okay, so any other comments?

1779
02:06:09,100 --> 02:06:09,220
Yes.

1780
02:06:09,540 --> 02:06:10,240
Okay, go ahead.

1781
02:06:10,540 --> 02:06:11,720
Okay, Councilman Casano.

1782
02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:12,640
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1783
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:14,720
Two things I'd like to talk about briefly.

1784
02:06:15,060 --> 02:06:18,820
The first is I'd like to recognize someone who's not here,

1785
02:06:18,860 --> 02:06:20,140
but I'd like to give a presentation

1786
02:06:20,140 --> 02:06:22,400
at our first meeting in January.

1787
02:06:22,900 --> 02:06:24,880
And that's, I received a request.

1788
02:06:25,660 --> 02:06:29,780
South Hills High School Girl Softball got a ton

1789
02:06:29,780 --> 02:06:33,400
of dirt donated, big mounds, but they didn't have any help

1790
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:37,200
to clean it up and have it be the way it needed to be.

1791
02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:41,080
So with the help of our city manager, Mr. Carmine

1792
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:46,840
and Mike Kressup. I also reached out to the South Hills principal and Dick Sheehan. Long

1793
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:51,620
story short, the person who came through, Mr. Cam Sailor from the Dukes, who also owns

1794
02:06:51,620 --> 02:06:55,800
Buckboard Barbecue and Pizza Chalet, he came through with a couple of guys I'd like to

1795
02:06:55,800 --> 02:07:03,620
invite Mr. Cam Sailor and the guys he brought in to get it done. I'm sure South Hills

1796
02:07:03,620 --> 02:07:08,960
girl softball is thrilled. So that's the first thing I wanted to mention. The second

1797
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:14,820
thing is our Christmas parade I'd like to thank city staff and the Kiwanis for a wonderful

1798
02:07:14,820 --> 02:07:22,420
event much bigger than last year great time had a blast great weather great crowd so thank

1799
02:07:22,420 --> 02:07:29,120
everyone who was involved with that and other than that have a safe holiday season Merry

1800
02:07:29,120 --> 02:07:33,400
Christmas and Happy New Year thank you thank you anybody want to say anything go ahead

1801
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:37,280
Johnson if I said one lower correction if I don't mind the council

1802
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:41,220
The weather world wasn't great. It was trizzling

1803
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:45,700
Besides that I do agree. I do agree. It was a fantastic

1804
02:07:45,700 --> 02:07:51,320
It felt more winter like it normally does in California. It was it was a great parade and

1805
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:57,160
I want to follow. Okay all the council member talk about the parade is magnificent

1806
02:07:57,160 --> 02:08:00,280
Okay, and I see I saw so many happy children

1807
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:05,680
And they are so proud to perform for us and we saw so many proud parents.

1808
02:08:06,180 --> 02:08:09,280
And we sense of community put our community together.

1809
02:08:09,620 --> 02:08:11,620
And we have a thousand people over there.

1810
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:17,880
And I want to thank Kiwani, like you say, Brad, Manny, his visionary.

1811
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:22,360
And not only the leadership to put it together, I want to thank the city staff.

1812
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:30,740
Okay, I think Mike Crissers, okay, Eric Beggart and Susan, okay, and Perez, and they, and

1813
02:08:30,740 --> 02:08:37,280
all the, okay, our city staff, they show up 5 o'clock to put everything together, okay,

1814
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:44,300
to let we, city, have this magnificent, magnificent parade, and they're really proud, okay, to

1815
02:08:44,300 --> 02:08:45,400
be a West Covenian.

1816
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:47,320
I think this is what this city is about.

1817
02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:49,620
Okay, I want to thank everybody, participate.

1818
02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:55,440
And I have a chance with walking with Jessica Schumacher together and waving to people.

1819
02:08:55,740 --> 02:08:56,500
We're not sitting in the car.

1820
02:08:56,640 --> 02:09:03,400
We are walking and waving people and get a lot of very good response from the residents

1821
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:04,520
and they're everybody happy.

1822
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:06,400
I think this is so good.

1823
02:09:06,820 --> 02:09:09,200
And hopefully, July 4th, we can have a parade too.

1824
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:16,100
And I cannot wait until another Christmas and then for another awesome parade.

1825
02:09:16,380 --> 02:09:17,680
And any other comment?

1826
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:19,820
Otherwise, I want to make a motion to adjourn.

1827
02:09:20,420 --> 02:09:21,640
So, meeting adjourned. Thank you.

1828
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:21,980
Okay.