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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the west fargo

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city commission meeting for september

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7th would you please join me in a pledge

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of allegiance

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i pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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united states of america

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and to the republic for which it stands

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one nation under god indivisible with

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liberty and justice for all

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thank you the first order of business

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this evening is to approve the order of

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the agenda commissioners it has been

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distributed to you and it is online

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i'll make a motion to approve thank you

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commissioner gerda big is there a second

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second commissioner george seconds been

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moved and seconded to approve the order

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of the agenda as presented for september

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7th for the west fargo city commission

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meeting

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is there any discussion

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hearing on all those in favor of

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approval of the agenda please signify by

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saying aye

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opposed

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motion carried

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item d is approval of the minutes of

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august 16th they have been distributed

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they are online they are pages

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three through six

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make motion to approve thank you

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commissioner olson is there a second

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second commissioner judy big second has

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been moved and seconded to approve the

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minutes of august 16 2021 for the west

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fargo city commission meeting

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is there any discussion

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hearing on all those in favor please

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signify by saying aye

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opposed

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motion carried

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next order of business is a consent

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agenda

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the consent agenda

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includes items a through k they have

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been distributed

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commissioners you have them in front of

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we'll make a motion to approve thank you

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commissioner george is there a second

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second commissioner gerda big seconds

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moved in second to approve the consent

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agenda as distributed items a through k

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is there any discussion

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all those in favor please signify by

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saying aye

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moving on we are now in the regular

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agenda

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item number one is the first reading and

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public hearing of elmwood court fourth

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edition

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rezoning from

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public facilities to planned unit

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this is sankey

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sorry about this let's see

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all right thank you this application was

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received in order to develop a townhouse

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style property the property was replated

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last summer by the west fargo park

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district to allow construction of a

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service road for access into elmwood

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park on lot 1 and to prepare lot 2 for

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sale in future development

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at their march 9th meeting the planning

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and zoning commission recommended

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approval of the rezoning and concept

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plans for the property subject to

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conditions including a condition that

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the developer meet with the neighborhood

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on june 22nd the developer met with area

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property owners a summer of the summary

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of the meeting is included in the agenda

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packet they submitted a revised site

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plan showing four five and six unit

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attached single family buildings the

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apartment-style buildings were removed

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townhouse style of structure a typical

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style would be a three level split with

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a tuck under garage the detached garage

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structures were removed from the project

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the unit count on the site was also

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reduced from 36 units to 28. the

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applicant also submitted proposed

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district standards as r2 limited

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multiple dwelling district with a

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modification to the property the front

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yard requirement from cheyenne street

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and an encroachment of uncovered patio

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decks 10 feet from into a side yard

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access is still proposed via the

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existing park district road to the west

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prior to the july 13th meeting the

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updated site plan was forwarded on to

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area property owners within 150 feet

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any comments received after the agenda

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packets were published

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for the meeting were forwarded on to

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commissioners the developer park

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district and were added to the record

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comments included concerns regarding

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rental versus owner-occupied structures

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increased traffic

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safety suggestions for altern

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alternative park uses

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a petition was received from area

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property owners as well

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at their july 13th meeting the planning

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and zoning commission requested that the

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applicant develop a landscaping plan for

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review at the august meeting as well as

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an analysis of the access road to

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determine the possibility of widening

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due to the shared use for the august

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10th meeting the applicant submitted a

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landscaping plan and responded to the

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request for the analysis of the park

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at their august 10th meeting the

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planning and zoning commission

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recommended approval of the detailed

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development plans subject to three

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conditions listed in the staff report

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because of the petition from area

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property owners

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protest area was calculated by the gi

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west fargo gis department under

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ordinance 4-546

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if a protest against a change supplement

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modification amendment or repeal is

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signed by property owners of 20 percent

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approval by the city commission would

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need to be a super majority of

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three-fourths of this commission members

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voting in favor of the zoning ordinance

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change

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recommended approval of the rezoning

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including detailed development plans

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number one concerns of adjacent

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neighborhood are given due consideration

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district standards include provisions to

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require but not limit

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limited to supplementary district

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regulations landscaping standards

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off-street parking and loading and sign

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regulations and number three

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consideration of any comments from

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engineering and public works regarding

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services of the property this is a

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public hearing there are representatives

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developer to answer any questions and i

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believe there are also members from the

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public who also may have comments or

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are there any questions for her before

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i actually have one commissioner george

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so with the

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farmstead having been donated by the

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beaton family how are you getting around

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that or talk to me about the donation

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of this property because a lot of people

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have that question

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as far as this was donated property so

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how was it being sold i believe

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barb could answer that question some of

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the property was purchased by the park

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district and some of it was donated i'm

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not sure which

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property that included thank you mr

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thank you i'm going to go to

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our legal counsel mr shockley

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i asked the question just before the

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meeting john

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thank you mr commission president so

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i believe last year the year before

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the park the formal park dedication

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for the what i'm going to call the pie

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shaped lot the lot that is highlighted

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that was

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changed and removed there was a public

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hearing regarding that

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and so the park the park dedication was

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removed

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the park radication remains on the moon

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shaped parcel that's closest to the

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river

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and then that long parcel in between the

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existing town home development

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and the pie shaped lot that was actually

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purchased by the

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park district and that was never

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dedicated that could have been sold at

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any time to any third

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party mr george does that satisfy your

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question are you saying that that that crescent shaped portion on the

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north side that's just north of the red

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line is part that was donated but the

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part south of that was purchased

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no uh the because there's a lot of

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questions about this from residents

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originally the

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so there was a couple parcels out there was a parcel long straight parcel

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that was closest to the town homes that

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was purchased by the park district

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uh that is proposed to have a road

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uh existing on it and a trail there's

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already a road out there

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and then

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just the farm itself

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was donated as to the park district as

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part of the public lands dedication that

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you see with a lot of subdivisions

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that donation can either be in the form

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of land green space cash and lieu or

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other lands for public facilities

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such as a water tower things like that

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so that parcel that included the farm

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was originally

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part of that dedication

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the parkland dedication was formally

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vacated about two and a half years ago

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went through the public hearing process

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and everything

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the park dedication for the parcel

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that is closest to the river remains

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i don't know

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that so that was all one parcel now it's

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divided into one and two lots so the one

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close to the river that connects to the

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existing elmwood park is still in

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parkland dedication

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and so from a legal perspective uh they

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can sell the lot that's been replated

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perfectly within the authority just like

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the city of west fargo can sell property

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that's given to this the city

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mr george that satisfy your question um

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that one all right thank you

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mr simmons thank you john uh just in my

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recollection recollection that was

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actually done a few years back correct because we had been through this

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a few times over and over so right

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i'll have a lot more to say but maybe

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after okay

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are there any questions for miss sankey

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okay

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with that we'll close the regular

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we are now in special

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is there anyone that would like to speak

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to this item

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please come to the microphone

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i'd ask that you introduce yourself and

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tell us your address

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hi uh thanks for hearing me my name is

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nicole nelson and i live at 3 39 19th

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avenue

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that thing's weird okay so i have a few

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points so if you need to pause me ever

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just holler at me

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um so the first thing uh concerned a

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couple of the recommendations one of

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them being the concerns of the adjacent

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neighborhood

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are given due consideration

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and you have in your packet

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multiple

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emails along with a petition and i know

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we talked about like the whatever 22

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point whatever percent but a hundred

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percent of people who me and my fiance

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went door to door 100 percent of people

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that answered their door signed this

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so my curiosity is

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who is

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actually

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in support because they're not coming

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forward

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trying to propose i know in some of

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those emails people were trying to

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propose other ideas for the planned unit

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development

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and i really feel like we were trying to

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polish a pickle and just make the best

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out of the worst situation but that's

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not what we want

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we really are asking that no home

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dwellings be built there

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and that the lands stay public

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facilities and we use a more creative

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way to use that space as the beaten

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family intended it to be used

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so my second point

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kind of has to do with that second

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recommendation about the supplementary

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district regulations landscaping

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standards

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off-street parking and loading

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requirements in the sign regulations

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is there a solution for off-street

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parking so the documents read that quote

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a typical local street with parking on

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one side is going to be 28 feet from

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face of curb to face of curb

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end quote the street proposed for access

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is 24 feet wide so that does not allow

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for parking on one side of that road so

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then where is that off street parking

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going to be and i really hope it is not

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in front of our homes because we already

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struggle with that with that um

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median that's right there so that is

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certainly a challenge for us already

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and then we understand the width of the

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road would allow for that

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head-to-head traffic

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and construction vehicles could get

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through

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but my question is like the sturdiness

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and stability and how well-built that

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road is i understand there needs to be a

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certain amount of class 5 gravel a

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certain amount of asphalt and so i'm

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wondering

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as far as that condition of the road

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how will that hold up and how does it

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compare to something as heavily

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trafficked as 19th because these people

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will probably be coming out onto 19th so

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i feel like they should um really match

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and when that road

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goes um

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fails when that road um yeah

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struggles how who is going to be

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responsible to pay for that

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um if it is park district property are

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we going to be stuck with those special

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assessments or is the park district

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going to step up and use some of those

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funds to help with that that's a

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question um

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every single person

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who mentioned information in the emails

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and we put this in the petition as well

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was about the increase in traffic

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overall

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and i really don't feel like we've heard

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a solid solution to that problem

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um in the email from andrew the

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assistant city engineer for the city of

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west fargo he stated quote with the 28

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units proposed we are looking at roughly

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300 vehicle trips per day

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for the entire area end quote

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so

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we're curious why that hasn't been

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directly addressed addressed not only

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will this cause an increase in

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congestion and chaos but it also becomes

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a safety issue with that amount of

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traffic because that is a public park

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um i'd also like to touch on the

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necessity

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of rental properties

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how many rentals are sitting with

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vacancies wide open there are hundreds

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and

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i think about epic and all of their

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multi-purpose buildings that's only

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going to continue to escalate that

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problem

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and you also have to consider rental

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units will attract more people

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and i actually work for west fargo

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public school district and our schools

405
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are over full

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they're it's it's wild right now and

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apartments are also kind of adding to

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that problem as well so we kind of have

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to consider yes we want to draw people

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in

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but maybe

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how much are we doing that

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and then i also feel finally

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that this is kind of a values issue

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the values of our elected officials feel

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like they no longer align with the

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desires of the residents to the south of

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our homes

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so south of 19th there used to be trees

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fields and even a strawberry patch

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granted myself and my family did not

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live in our house during that time

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but our neighbors who were left felt

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cheated and ignored

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from what we've gathered the proposed

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replenishing of the removed vegetation

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was not followed through on by the

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developer and so it feels like the trust

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with this neighborhood has been broken

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and many are just really feeling

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defeated

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so keeping this property or having this

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property as planned unit development and

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developing rentals would just be it'll

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really feel like another slap in the

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face to the community

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what is developed in the community

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should be desired and increase value to

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the area and this is really a loss

440
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it feels like that

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the beauty of the property the south has

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been taken away so we ask that you

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listen to the community and utilize the

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property to the north as an opportunity

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to enhance coveted green space

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other cities are creating green space

447
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wherever they can including rooftops and

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even lamp posts because they have over

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developed their green space

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let's learn from others and enhance

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rather than remove the green space we

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have in our city

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we ask you to demonstrate empathy

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integrity and do the right thing for our

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community and this city

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thank you miss nelson is there any

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questions for that lady yes mr simmons

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thank you miss nelson hall you mentioned

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you were

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there during the salt project how long

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have you lived in your home i'm just

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curious

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two and a half years two and a half

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years okay

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so that had been finished by the time

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that we had moved in but there's still

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that plot of land where like subway is

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that there's that plot of land there too

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so that's going to be we're going to be

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sandwiched by development

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additional questions

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thank you thank you is there anyone else

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that would like to speak to this item

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so please come forward

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is there anyone else that would like to

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speak to this item this is my final ask

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barb please come up

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barbara stasser director of public west

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fargo public

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parks

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thank you planet earth thank you

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president dardis and city commission i

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guess i kind of wanted to follow up of

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any of the public comments to provide

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any

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additional information or answer any

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questions and i think there's a couple

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clarifications that i'd like to make

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first of all directed towards

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commissioner george's question about the

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beaten farm donating the land to the

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park district and actually

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i've been here for a number of years as

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many of you probably know but

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um

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back in 2002 when the park district got

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involved with this property the beaten

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family had sold the property to a

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developer so it was not a direct

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dedication to the park district from the

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beaten family so i want to make that

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clarification i also want to make

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clarification too that there were

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absolutely no homes

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no development around that farm site it

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was all field at that time and gosh i

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don't know when that started developing

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the other uh

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i guess

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you know we we were here we've been here

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several times and i don't want to take a

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lot of your time and i had written a

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letter to you trying to explain um some

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of the positions of the park district in

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just essence of time

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you know we appeared here back in 2019

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with a little different plan of selling

518
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it and there was a lot of hesitation

519
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even at the planning and zoning level

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the city commission level because we've

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not really encountered this before and

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the one question when we got to the city

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commission level was

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come back when you have more detail

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and we've got a lot of detail i think

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this is probably the third time that

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we've appeared

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before a board this year and the last

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one that

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came up was

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asking for a landscape plan and we have

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been working with

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jno

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real estate and they put together a very

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nice landscape plan that showed 70 plus

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trees that they're looking at planting

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and so

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there is that detail and and then also

539
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the four public meetings that we've had

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since 2019

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we put those meetings out i know

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somebody commented i think on beloved

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facebook that it was a

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short notice

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planning and zoning sends those out with

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what is set forth by

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city policies as to when there's

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when they're put out we did not have

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very good attendance at those meetings

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but

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i was there my staff was there j o

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representatives were there as well

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and we had some really good things that

554
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came out of those meetings

555
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we put the road in we we actually went

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back to the drawing board and we

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retained

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a portion of the property on the west to

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keep the path and the road in our

560
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intention was never to take out the path

561
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and i know that's been stated a few

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times we added in the road

563
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we've gotten a lot of good comments on

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the road going in and it actually

565
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provides a safe in and out access a

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second access to south elmwood park

567
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once the development development starts

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to happen if it passes this board we

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will move those gates closer to the

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trees

571
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our intent is to not have that open year

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round so we've got traffic flowing

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through there year round but

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that's how it's set today we actually

575
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,840
also retained more acreage by the river

576
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,240
so we can accommodate a future bike path

577
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,840
through there once the construction is

578
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,960
done too so i feel like

579
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,320
you know we went back to the drawing

580
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,880
board several times and we we

581
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,679
did what was in the best interest of

582
00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:33,760
the citizens of west fargo the adjoining

583
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,080
property to elmwood park

584
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,880
i realized that change is difficult and

585
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,880
i say this a little bit cautiously but i

586
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,039
think the west fargo park district in

587
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:45,120
this property has sort of been a victim

588
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,000
to

589
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,240
along with some of the other

590
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,679
development that's happened in this

591
00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:53,039
neighborhood which is unfortunate

592
00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,960
some of the new development

593
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,720
we look at it now what

594
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,280
one and two years later and it's great

595
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,880
it's worked out fine

596
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,720
we don't intend to have off street

597
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,039
parking on that roadway that's another

598
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:06,480
thing that i would like

599
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,880
to tell you that too and i'm sure

600
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,480
if that happens

601
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,400
chief otterness and his staff will be

602
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,799
getting called though that road has been

603
00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:16,080
built to

604
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,320
the standards of building a city street

605
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,200
that is a heavy duty road i drive on

606
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,960
that almost every morning to check out

607
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,799
south elmwood park and

608
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,039
that is a good solid road which we will

609
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:28,720
have a partnership

610
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,919
with

611
00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:31,679
the future owner of that property if

612
00:22:31,679 --> 00:22:33,200
this passes but

613
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,679
again i had sent you an email um you

614
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:38,080
know the impact alone of property taxes

615
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,640
almost a million dollars over 10 years

616
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,799
to the city is what we could be looking

617
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:45,520
at if this if this is approved tonight

618
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840
um i feel pretty confident i feel very

619
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,520
confident with the pud i don't get into

620
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,080
the developing uh of neighborhoods a

621
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,640
whole lot but from what i understand and

622
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,480
i trust with

623
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,880
our planning and zoning department is

624
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,120
that once it's a pud

625
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,960
that's what it has to be and it will be

626
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,520
built according to those standards

627
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,360
the park district could still as you

628
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,760
realize this we could still sell this

629
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,080
property

630
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,880
and as is and let the developer come

631
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,760
through and continue to try the process

632
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,360
we want to be good partners to the city

633
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:20,799
we want to be good partners to the

634
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,480
neighborhood as well too

635
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,640
and i feel a pud is really the best

636
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,960
solution and best option in looking at

637
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,990
this

638
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,360
and i think it's going to be a good fit

639
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,440
to the neighborhood we're very concerned

640
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,159
about what our neighbors

641
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:37,360
who our neighbors are going to be to

642
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,200
south america park that's a long time

643
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,240
concern

644
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,400
like i said south elmwood park north

645
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,720
south elmwood park especially was there

646
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,559
for a lot of years before we had any

647
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:48,960
neighbors and we today

648
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,039
i think we have some some pretty good

649
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:52,640
pretty great neighbors

650
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,159
i've met some of the people through this

651
00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:56,000
whole process and i know they're great

652
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,520
neighbors because they're people that i

653
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,039
talk to and they're they're people that

654
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:00,640
i've gotten to know

655
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,000
and um

656
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,919
i'm just hoping for your support tonight

657
00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:06,640
on this and as you know

658
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,720
jainal properties is representing this

659
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,480
on the agenda and not the park district

660
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,080
again i'm just here to provide any

661
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,870
information to you

662
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,200
thank you thank you mrs herbst

663
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,360
i have a question for you barb i have a

664
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,120
quick question for you

665
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,279
i'm sure you've seen a lot of the emails

666
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,240
that have come in and want to

667
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,880
i just want to understand too

668
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,200
the concept as to why can't this

669
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,120
property just be an extension of the

670
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,559
elmwood park so can you just give a

671
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,520
reason why you don't want to do that

672
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,880
this is a very

673
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,480
the way i look at it and i think my

674
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,000
board looks at it this way too this is a

675
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,559
very high

676
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:51,039
impact area this is a very

677
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,279
uh you know we lost our access off of

678
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:55,120
13th avenue if we were to have park

679
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,520
programs in here

680
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,600
you know one access in one access out

681
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,039
the same

682
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,880
you know our anybody that's been to some

683
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,360
of our park and rec programs knows that

684
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,360
sometimes we get up to two

685
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,799
2 000 to 2500 people at this

686
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,039
letting this sit as green space i think

687
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,840
it does a disservice to to west fargo

688
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,520
and i think it would help the taxpayer

689
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,159
to develop it to tell you the truth

690
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:23,679
if we knew in 2002 what we know today

691
00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:25,840
because of the growth of the city

692
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,000
we probably would have been talking to

693
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,600
the developers about a little different

694
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,320
area for development and i think you

695
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,760
know maybe even some of the homeowners

696
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,080
can relate to that too that

697
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,159
things have impacted us as well too for

698
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:40,799
that site we used to use that for a lot

699
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,039
of our maintenance operations we could

700
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:44,799
not get in and out of there cheyenne

701
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,320
street access was taken away from us

702
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,960
the access is better and we do like the

703
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,679
access that goes into south elmwood park

704
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:55,360
but you know we're kind of limited on

705
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,600
this property as well too park districts

706
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,279
are not in the business to get rid of

707
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,120
green space i can tell you that this is

708
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,840
a really unique situation and in my 34

709
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,200
years here at the west fargo park

710
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,559
district

711
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,320
i've not seen anything like this and i

712
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,440
hope we don't have to encounter

713
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,760
something like this again but

714
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,919
um the city was a very much different

715
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:16,480
place back in 2002 than it is today as

716
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,269
well

717
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,440
christian mr simmons yeah thanks for

718
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,720
bringing that up because i'm curious

719
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,400
about that as well so

720
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,200
even if if this were to state

721
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,960
part district property and you were

722
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,840
start

723
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,919
having events out there i i think it

724
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,480
would be crazy 2 300 people yeah how

725
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,320
many cars i think that neighborhood

726
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,640
would go schizo on that alone yeah

727
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,520
that's a lot worse than 28 units yep so

728
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,279
we have needs for

729
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,919
parks and you know we will look long and

730
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,080
hard at the dedication process as we do

731
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,000
now

732
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,080
with everything i mean our landmass

733
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,960
doubled to the south and that's kind of

734
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,120
the center of west fargo right now and

735
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,919
so it it becomes kind of a difficulty

736
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:01,520
for us

737
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,039
okay that's right

738
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,240
commissioner

739
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,120
so if

740
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,600
300 people's the benchmark i can rattle

741
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,360
off another dozen parks i guess we

742
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,360
should sell to developers and put

743
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,120
apartment buildings in

744
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,960
you're not going to get 2 300 people to

745
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,640
park around the service club park at

746
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,720
eastwood

747
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,600
the

748
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,039
huge investment

749
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,640
on 17th that's being made you're not

750
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,399
going to get 2 300 people into that park

751
00:27:24,399 --> 00:27:26,720
and have parking anywhere close either

752
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,600
so

753
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,760
i'm a little challenged

754
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,760
by the argument of

755
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,799
2 300 people being the bar for a city

756
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,520
parkway to exist i see this as more of

757
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,960
an event space

758
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,720
just because of locale

759
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,039
and every park has a different use and a

760
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:44,720
different yeah rendezvous park and

761
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,080
that's fair

762
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,919
i think that's maybe the wrong measure

763
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:48,720
too

764
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960
possibly

765
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,990
my knees are shaking

766
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,880
okay

767
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,230
additional questions for mrs erbster

768
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,240
all right thank you thank you is there

769
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,600
anyone else that would like to speak to

770
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,720
this issue

771
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,200
uh the lady the lady you go first and

772
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,120
then you're the gentleman

773
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,960
no no please come up

774
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:20,789
you stood up first ma'am come on up

775
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,799
i don't feel like

776
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,320
i could come to a meeting if i didn't

777
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,080
stand up here and talk to you all right

778
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,919
could you please state your name my name

779
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:31,360
is julie shower helgus and i live in the

780
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,480
elmwood park edition in the very center

781
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,679
condo that looks directly into that park

782
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,000
and um

783
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000
i'm delighted that the park board is

784
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,919
going to keep that center that that

785
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:45,919
corner up there to make another access

786
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,399
into the park for a bike path and for

787
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:50,960
walkers because walkers use that park so

788
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,399
much

789
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:55,520
um my concern is that we've talked about

790
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,559
traffic on 19th but i i think we keep

791
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:02,559
forgetting that the 19th avenue and 13th

792
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,000
avenue are the only ways that anybody

793
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,520
from the west side of west fargo can get

794
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,200
to cheyenne

795
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,880
and so when you look at the little the

796
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,640
cute little houses on 19th and the

797
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,399
little condos you think that's not very

798
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,000
much traffic

799
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
oh heavens that's not going to add much

800
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,399
but you should see what that's like

801
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,559
during the rush hour in the morning and

802
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,960
the rush hour in the evening and there

803
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,760
are buses there are school buses that

804
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,600
use and stop

805
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,320
along that road and so

806
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,760
i don't know what you can do about it

807
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,399
but when you only have two avenues of

808
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:42,159
access to 13th or to cheyenne from 13th

809
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:45,039
and 19th i'd like you to rethink the

810
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,039
traffic thing a little bit

811
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,399
and also

812
00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:50,559
i've got the landscape plan which i had

813
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,799
asked for and i do appreciate the fact

814
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,760
that they did it and it looks lovely

815
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,240
trees are pretty small you know

816
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,720
one and a half inch caliper tree is a

817
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,039
pretty small tree to be planting it's

818
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,880
going to take a long time

819
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,120
but i'm more concerned about the trees

820
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,720
on the north side of that development

821
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,799
you can see where the little turquoise

822
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,760
line goes all the way way into the park

823
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,000
now if you go there there's a lot of

824
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
trees big

825
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,559
beautiful trees there's also a drainage

826
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,600
ditch that runs along that and feeds

827
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480
into the river

828
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,399
i hate to see them take out all those

829
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:32,399
trees

830
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:35,360
it's wildlife wildlife is there

831
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,360
you know we have wildlife all over the

832
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,440
park but especially in that area because

833
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,480
of the association with the river

834
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,440
and

835
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,960
i i

836
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,760
lived i've been in our condo for 13

837
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,640
years and so i was living there when

838
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,960
hornwockers and and that development was

839
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960
going off but i wasn't actively involved

840
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200
in it because i wasn't within 150 feet

841
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,159
of it so i never was involved in that

842
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,159
but i've heard the horror stories from

843
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:04,399
the people that live on 19th and what

844
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,159
they were promised

845
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:07,919
and what they got

846
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:11,279
and that's my concern too is this looks

847
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:12,880
great

848
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,399
if it gets done

849
00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:17,279
correctly and i don't know what

850
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,440
recourse we have if

851
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,440
any of this gets changed and the trees

852
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,440
don't get put in and and i know that

853
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,600
people on 19th had some very very

854
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000
specific needs for trees

855
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,519
to give them

856
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,200
some of their green space back because

857
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,640
they're losing it all they lost all the

858
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,480
green on the back behind them on the

859
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,559
south and now across the street they're

860
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,880
losing all of their green space i at

861
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,960
least still have some

862
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880
so those are the two things i want you

863
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,480
to think about the traffic and the

864
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,480
landscaping thank you thank you miss

865
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,240
helsinki is there any questions for the

866
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,440
lady

867
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:56,389
all right the gentleman please

868
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:57,679
good evening commissioners brian

869
00:31:57,679 --> 00:31:58,720
pattengale with houston engineering

870
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,559
representing the developer

871
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:01,760
um just want to answer some of the

872
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,240
questions some of the residents have had

873
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,240
as lisa's slate we've been at this for

874
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,799
six seven months now at this

875
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,159
we've tried to address their concerns as

876
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:11,440
much as possible

877
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,840
within you know reasonable demands

878
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,919
for all the parking issues the units are

879
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:19,519
actually like three level splits so

880
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,279
there's a two stall double stock tuck

881
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,279
under garage underneath for each unit so

882
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,840
each unit has two stalls in a garage

883
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,600
additionally we've provided 25-foot

884
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,039
driveways in front of those garage

885
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,039
spaces before the access roads there is

886
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,880
sufficient parking in the development

887
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,080
itself

888
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,360
we don't want to have people parking on

889
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,039
the park access road

890
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:38,480
we didn't feel that with the responses

891
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,760
we got from our initial sort of

892
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,840
development plans the neighborhood would

893
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,120
appreciate us turning that into a

894
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,240
parking lot

895
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,600
so we wanted to maintain that sort of

896
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,440
just minimal width which discourages

897
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,640
parking

898
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,159
additionally with narrower widths of

899
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,399
streets tends to discourage higher

900
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,640
speeds additionally we don't want to

901
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,640
make this a big 35 foot wide piece of

902
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,840
pavement because people are going to

903
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,120
race down that it's sort of a

904
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,799
psychological thing that helps provide

905
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,279
traffic calming uh it's a documented

906
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:04,240
thing

907
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,399
uh so we are providing adequate parking

908
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:07,760
on site so like i said each site

909
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,320
basically got a standard residential

910
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,679
driveway in front of it plus your tuck

911
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:14,470
under garage

912
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,000
as following that up

913
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,440
the roadway section as barb mentioned

914
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,200
that street was constructed by the parks

915
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,279
department that is a same section as a

916
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,039
city street so it's equivalent as far as

917
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:24,559
the section goes

918
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,399
for engineering design

919
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:27,760
there is going to be an agreement with

920
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,200
the parks that has yet to be worked out

921
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,360
between the developer for maintenance

922
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,360
and snow removal and access and all of

923
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,200
that as it goes forward obviously we

924
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,880
haven't done that because the

925
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,640
development's not there but that isn't

926
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,159
works that has been sort of tenderly

927
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:42,320
agreed to between the developer and the

928
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,760
parks department

929
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,000
um

930
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,080
as far as the vacancy of rental rates i

931
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,760
can't speak to that as far as what the

932
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,200
actual vacancy of rental rates and the

933
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,720
city is that's sort of

934
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,799
a developer's metric but i can tell you

935
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,960
that if it wasn't needed the developer

936
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,159
wouldn't be

937
00:33:58,159 --> 00:33:59,919
proposing more rental units there

938
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:02,000
obviously is a need for them they're in

939
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,320
the business to make money that's you

940
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,600
know their developer their goal is to

941
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,279
make money with their developments if

942
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:08,240
they're not going to rent things they're

943
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:09,359
going to be vacant they're not going to

944
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,520
build things as needed so like i said i

945
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,760
can't speak to event the actual vacancy

946
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,000
rates of rental units that is sort of

947
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,919
theme that i just don't have access to

948
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:18,800
is a

949
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,240
engineering site outside my area of

950
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:23,109
expertise

951
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:24,800
i think double to go and donate to land

952
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,879
questions has sort of been answered

953
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,800
i do want to touch on the traffic

954
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,919
concerns

955
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:31,520
like i said it's a typical residential

956
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,399
development it's not excessive traffic

957
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:36,320
for sort of the size it's very typical

958
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,320
to single single family units

959
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,240
as far as that the overall neighborhood

960
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,919
that's sort of up beyond the scope of

961
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:43,200
our development as far as the

962
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,720
neighborhood to the west and how much

963
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:46,639
traffic that is generated the city

964
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:47,919
engineers have looked at that and sort

965
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,760
of said that they're not concerned with

966
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,359
the trip additional trips generated by

967
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:52,480
this unit

968
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,119
and development um

969
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,960
i've got a couple other notes here

970
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,190
hold on for a second

971
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,119
um regarding the landscaping stuff with

972
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,200
the pud you actually have more control

973
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,960
over it we're here reviewing the site

974
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,240
plans we're reviewing all this stuff

975
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,599
this all becomes a public record to

976
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:12,960
recorded documents that have to be

977
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,880
enforced on the development

978
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,640
i can speak that we have added

979
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,320
over a hundred trees that's what's shown

980
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,160
in our planting plan a mix of deciduous

981
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,720
and pines so we are adding a significant

982
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,720
parking and vegetative buffer

983
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,079
it's not up on the screen but we did

984
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:27,040
provide

985
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,640
vegetative buffers all along the west

986
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,920
side of development along the parks

987
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,760
department row so that's a series of

988
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,359
trees and shrubs and various other

989
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:35,200
vegetation sort of provide a vegetative

990
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,320
screen

991
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,160
and that is also on the south side along

992
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,760
19th as well so those are pretty

993
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,359
extensive vegetative buffers that have

994
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:43,040
been added and proposed along with

995
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,520
additional tree plantings now yes i will

996
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,119
address that we are going to remove some

997
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:48,640
trees on the northwest side that's

998
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,440
inevitable um the 35 foot drainage

999
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,720
easement that exists there today will

1000
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,560
remain along with the drainage ditch and

1001
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,000
just freezing that easement we are going

1002
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,920
to obviously try to limit the number of

1003
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,680
trees i don't have an exact number how

1004
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,119
winning will come down and what size

1005
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:02,480
they are up there in that northeast

1006
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,920
corner i'm sorry northwest corner of the

1007
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,119
property

1008
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:06,800
but yes we are going to remove some

1009
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,560
larger trees that's sort of an

1010
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,240
inevitable

1011
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,599
fact of development that we do

1012
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,359
occasionally remove trees but we are

1013
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:14,960
substantially replacing anything that

1014
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,040
we're taking out with um the landscape

1015
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,040
plan has been proposed i said over 100

1016
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,400
trees have been added on our landscape

1017
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,800
plan in addition to various shrubs i

1018
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,320
don't have the shrub numbers off the top

1019
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,280
of my head

1020
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,720
on that so yes we're not going to clear

1021
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,800
cut the lot by any means we do want to

1022
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,560
keep the trees that adds value to the

1023
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,400
property for both the residents and any

1024
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,440
occupants of the units

1025
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,040
i'd like to answer any questions anyone

1026
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,560
has

1027
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,119
questions for the gentleman

1028
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,119
commissioner olsen just to comment or

1029
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,480
whatever something to think about have

1030
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,720
you ever considered uh like a

1031
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,440
homeowner's association type thing for

1032
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,200
it here and where maybe you

1033
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680
people who live in those units

1034
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,280
can't park on the street with their with

1035
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
their personal vehicles that they have

1036
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
to actually use their driveway or their

1037
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,359
garage as far as the enforcement

1038
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:07,040
mechanism as far as an enforcement

1039
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,640
mechanism i can't speak to that the

1040
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,880
legality of that um it is professionally

1041
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,160
managed there's going to be a management

1042
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,160
organization that takes care of since

1043
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,440
they are rental units there's going to

1044
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,960
be a management organization that will

1045
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,359
run the units do snow removal lawn or

1046
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:21,839
care that kind of thing um i can't speak

1047
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,359
to the legality of how parking

1048
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:25,599
enforcement would be done on the parks

1049
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,760
department road

1050
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,880
i can't speak to that i don't know the

1051
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,359
legalities of that

1052
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:33,119
as far as enforcing that

1053
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,040
i was just thinking within the center of

1054
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,079
your development where the townhomes are

1055
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:40,720
all going to be facing the

1056
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,720
you know street that's inside this the

1057
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,800
narrow street inside is is going to have

1058
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960
to be private enforcement uh that is a

1059
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,920
20

1060
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,520
camera exact dimension off the top of my

1061
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,119
head but it is also a fire access road

1062
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,599
so it is not allowed parking on that um

1063
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,280
that would be something that most likely

1064
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,960
be enforced by the parking the property

1065
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,359
management company since it is a private

1066
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,280
street i don't think believe the fargo

1067
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,720
part or west fargo police department

1068
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,000
would go in there and ticketed people

1069
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,599
unless requested

1070
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,920
by the property management agency

1071
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,079
like i said it is it is a private street

1072
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,680
but no that has to be maintained open

1073
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,359
and through fair because it is a fire

1074
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:15,440
access portion for that development it's

1075
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,119
just something to think about you know

1076
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:18,160
to

1077
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,079
put the illness on them that they can't

1078
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:21,440
use their garage for a storage unit and

1079
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,800
they actually have to park in their

1080
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,030
garage

1081
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,670
additional questions for the gentleman

1082
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,910
thank you sir

1083
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,200
is there anyone else that would like to

1084
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,800
speak to this item

1085
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,160
again we're at the first reading and

1086
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,599
public hearing of the elmwood court

1087
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,760
fourth edition rezoning from public

1088
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,040
facilities to planned unit development

1089
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:54,230
anyone else from the public

1090
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:55,680
there's one thing that i've struggled

1091
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,960
with this

1092
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,280
on this whole process

1093
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,280
it says that the owner is the west fargo

1094
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,920
park district which we know that

1095
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,760
but the applicant is j o investments

1096
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,710
so

1097
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,960
i struggle with that that the the city

1098
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960
commission is dealing with

1099
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,760
really two entities because in the first

1100
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,800
place

1101
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640
the west fargo park district is a

1102
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,640
separate entity from the city of west

1103
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,560
fargo and many of the public the people

1104
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,400
in the public don't understand that but

1105
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,760
it is

1106
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,480
so i struggle with me making a decision

1107
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,200
over that jurisdiction of park board

1108
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,160
members

1109
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,320
that have been elected by the same

1110
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,720
citizens that have elected us

1111
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,400
to uh that we would override or we would

1112
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,720
have a jurisdictional

1113
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:49,349
oversight over the park district

1114
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:51,040
but i do understand that we do on

1115
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,960
developers

1116
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,400
and so

1117
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,359
but

1118
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,320
again the applicant is j o investments

1119
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,320
and the owner is the

1120
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,960
west fargo park district to me that's a difficult decision to make as

1121
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,640
to who i'm working for

1122
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,960
in making this decision

1123
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,520
uh commissioner simmons

1124
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,119
i guess i'm not sure why mayor that's so

1125
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:14,400
difficult

1126
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,680
i mean because we don't have

1127
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,599
jurisdiction over the west fargo park no

1128
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:19,599
but the park district is the board is

1129
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:20,960
recommending that we approve it so

1130
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,400
obviously they're recommending that we

1131
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,280
do have that if we i have i am

1132
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,400
the only one sitting there quite

1133
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,520
honestly

1134
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,119
and there's maybe two or three of people

1135
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:30,960
in this room including tina

1136
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,800
barb that have gone through this

1137
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,720
numerous times over the years numerous

1138
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,160
times

1139
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,920
it almost comes back to the same issue

1140
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,680
you're talking about who is control who

1141
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,680
doesn't but we have to work together to

1142
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,079
get the control if we don't work as a

1143
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:45,760
team and we don't come together

1144
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,839
nothing's going to ever get done

1145
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:50,240
and this this will sit as it has

1146
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,079
for many many years so we have to work

1147
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,720
together on this true but every time

1148
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,720
that we ever deal with this

1149
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,359
if barb herb stosser

1150
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:01,359
or any member of the west fargo park

1151
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:03,599
district would give me their word that

1152
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,200
these trees are going to be planted and

1153
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,119
the size of these trees and they're

1154
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,119
going to protect the the walkways and

1155
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,040
all of that type of thing i think

1156
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,880
nothing of it

1157
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,880
but once we make a decision on this

1158
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,599
tonight it's totally out of their hands

1159
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,839
now we're dealing with the developer so

1160
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,400
our decision is to support the park

1161
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,160
district and what they want to do with

1162
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,520
this property

1163
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,599
and again

1164
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,079
as a city commissioner i feel no

1165
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,480
obligation to override what the park

1166
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,359
district wants to do so i support this i

1167
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:38,160
don't support the fact that we have

1168
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,200
once we do this and i realize it's a pud

1169
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,119
and we have more oversight and ability

1170
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,319
to do that

1171
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:46,640
but the fact of the matter is

1172
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,680
we're dealing with these people uh good

1173
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,599
people that we've worked with uh day to

1174
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,839
day month to month year to year at the

1175
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:55,440
park district

1176
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,680
and then we'd have to a developer that's

1177
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,160
going to execute that but these people

1178
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,520
are giving us their word that they're

1179
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,599
going to do it and that's a struggle for

1180
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,910
me

1181
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,240
but it is going into a pud

1182
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,560
which means we are going to have control

1183
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,400
as well as the residents are going to

1184
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,560
have i love a pud mayor i've done this

1185
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,119
for years there is no better way

1186
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,040
there's no better way to do a project

1187
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,440
than with a pud because then everybody's

1188
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,480
involved and everybody has some say

1189
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,960
this could come up as barb mentioned

1190
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,319
a year from now which it will i

1191
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:30,560
guarantee you will come up it has for 18

1192
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,359
years this will come up again and they

1193
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:34,720
could sell to somebody else who will

1194
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,160
take that gamble

1195
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,079
and then then that developer will be in

1196
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:39,760
front of us and who knows what another

1197
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,359
commission will do

1198
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:42,800
or what we will do

1199
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,319
the point being is this will come back

1200
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:46,640
and come back and come back

1201
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,960
let me ask you a question uh maybe mr

1202
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,359
solberg is the best resource for this

1203
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:53,040
the development that

1204
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,079
they referred to as the hornbackers or

1205
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:00,950
the subway in that is that a pud

1206
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,520
mr mr tim selberg assistant city

1207
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,359
administrator for the city of west fargo

1208
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,760
former planning and zoning director

1209
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,319
thank you mr president yes it is a pud

1210
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,400
reference to the

1211
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,839
trees that were removed were removed on

1212
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:16,400
the property um and in lieu of those

1213
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,480
trees removed on the property the pud

1214
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,800
the developer put in a berm which isn't

1215
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,400
very high but a berman put the fence on

1216
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,640
top of the berm and evergreen trees

1217
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,640
behind that berm so that's what we

1218
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,960
reviewed in the pud and that's what

1219
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,440
was constructed so if those trees die or

1220
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,079
if that fence is not maintained the pud

1221
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,960
is used to enforce that future thank you

1222
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,079
mr sober the point of the reason i asked

1223
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,160
him to do that commissioner

1224
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,839
is we've not we heard from one two three

1225
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:49,040
people that on a pud that those people

1226
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,920
uh that that back up to that development

1227
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,480
didn't get what they were promised

1228
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,400
that bothers me i want to maintain the

1229
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,520
integrity of the existing neighborhoods

1230
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,200
we owe that to the citizens that are

1231
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,319
there first

1232
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,240
mayor let me let me continue i totally

1233
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,319
agree with you i totally agree but again

1234
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:08,560
i was there doing that process as well

1235
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,359
okay and and the pud went through and

1236
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,119
that burn was a big issue back then if

1237
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:14,640
you recall because it was wet and we

1238
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,720
couldn't build it and the developer it

1239
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:17,920
was the weather they couldn't get it

1240
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,160
done they finally get done now tim if i

1241
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,520
could have you come up one more time and

1242
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,680
i'm not going to get into scrabble but

1243
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,880
did they do everything that the pud

1244
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,880
required them to do is there something

1245
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,440
in the pure ud that that developer did

1246
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,720
not do

1247
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,319
no not to this point

1248
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:36,240
development there's a still piece that's

1249
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:37,920
vacant there but they were required to

1250
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,200
do the path the berm the fence the trees

1251
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,800
and before we issued a ceo for

1252
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,960
hornbackers we reviewed that so if

1253
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,640
anything's died since then we'd need to

1254
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,599
be notified or inspected the residents

1255
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:50,960
were part of that

1256
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,640
process part of that pud what they

1257
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,680
wanted was the berm so forth so it was

1258
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,839
done mayor it was done

1259
00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:59,440
i mean everything there was when when

1260
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,400
you put something in a pud tim

1261
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560
test to that that it gets done if you

1262
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,160
get done you got to go back and the

1263
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,599
developer will do it yeah commissioner

1264
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,000
simmons um what was done was what was

1265
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,400
approved so i i can't say that every

1266
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,640
resident got what they wanted but right

1267
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,720
there was a compromise and and the pud

1268
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,240
addressed that and i'm just saying what

1269
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,480
was in the pud what was recommended was

1270
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,400
done and if it's not done you know if

1271
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,920
there's a resident who says that

1272
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,359
something isn't done the way it was

1273
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:27,359
intended or what we would review that

1274
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:29,280
and deal with it as any other code

1275
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,640
violation

1276
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,400
thank you we're gonna go commissioner

1277
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,079
are we still in the public hearing or or

1278
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:35,599
is it closed now cause we probably

1279
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,000
shouldn't are we having this discussion

1280
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,680
during a good pool in the public hearing

1281
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,000
or not is what i'm was wondering thank

1282
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,839
you commissioner

1283
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:46,560
for bringing me back on task

1284
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,079
is there anything else from the public

1285
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:49,839
hearing

1286
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:56,309
please join us

1287
00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:58,480
your name and address please

1288
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,880
my name is leanne drake i live at 327

1289
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,560
19th avenue west i just bought my house

1290
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,480
before while they were working on that

1291
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,280
development now what i was giving for my

1292
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,000
realtor when i first bought my place was

1293
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,960
on that pud there was going to be

1294
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,119
trees sidewalk trees fence

1295
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,480
when it went in it went

1296
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,760
berm

1297
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,560
fence trees on our side and i can tell

1298
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,599
you that

1299
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,119
nobody has been maintaining the trees

1300
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,040
the mowing unless it's the residents

1301
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,960
ourselves mowing that land and pulling

1302
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,040
the weeds off of those trees

1303
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,359
okay that grass all needs to be receded

1304
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:42,800
because it has pretty much died out a b

1305
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,880
i have water issues in my backyard

1306
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,480
because of the berm and when i called

1307
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,319
the city on it was well we did it to code if your

1308
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,000
yard wasn't done to code that's on you

1309
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,240
so now i'm in contact with contractors

1310
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,480
to see what i can do to drain

1311
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,440
to mr drew's backyard there

1312
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,200
where he has the drainage because it

1313
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,880
does not drain from the street down

1314
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,200
through my yard down to his drainage

1315
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,119
ditch which is in his yard so that's all

1316
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,800
going to be at my expense my time in

1317
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,880
reseeding my grass

1318
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,040
so saying that they're doing what

1319
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,480
they're supposed to

1320
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,400
from my experience in the two years

1321
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,000
since that's been put up

1322
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,839
they have not mowed but

1323
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:21,440
once

1324
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,910
we are extremely terrible

1325
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,240
ma'am you're you're at the podium okay

1326
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,839
they can come up again

1327
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:31,200
so um

1328
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,359
to me that that's not being maintained

1329
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:35,359
and done like

1330
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,599
what is supposed to be done

1331
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,079
so you know i came in with my house and

1332
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:41,760
my place i bought it there and then i'm

1333
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,559
also concerned about the traffic because

1334
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,680
we have one lane out on 19th unless cars

1335
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,760
are courteous they try and squeeze on

1336
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,280
each side so we can go two ways

1337
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,440
with the big meridian in between us

1338
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,200
there's not traffic being able to go out

1339
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,680
at 19 that's going to be not congested

1340
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,240
way back a block behind me and then i

1341
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,079
cannot get out to work

1342
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,800
or in from work in a timely manner

1343
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,400
or if my grandkids are there if there's

1344
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,760
an emergency on those backed up hours

1345
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,920
it's going to be hard so

1346
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,760
if that housing goes in you need to

1347
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,280
re-look at that

1348
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,240
driving access on 19th there's it needs

1349
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,240
to be made into two lanes so that we can

1350
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,640
get out it's not wide enough

1351
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,319
and if you drive a full-size pickup and

1352
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,319
you have two of them side by side it's a

1353
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:32,549
little tight

1354
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:33,520
so

1355
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,119
that's all i want to say thank you thank

1356
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,280
you

1357
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:45,040
is there anyone else

1358
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,839
the public hearing is

1359
00:48:47,839 --> 00:49:01,109
not

1360
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,200
and so available going to try and wear

1361
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,280
two hats on this because i i have an

1362
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,559
emotional connection to this but i'm

1363
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,000
trying to look at this logically too and

1364
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,599
not just emotionally

1365
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,040
so first of all i think we as

1366
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,280
commissioners need to remember we get

1367
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,520
elected by the public right not by the

1368
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,760
developers not by the park board

1369
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,640
and 100 of the neighborhood does not

1370
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,359
want this 100 of the people that elected

1371
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:25,520
us do not want this i have received

1372
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,440
multiple emails phone calls texts i

1373
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,559
think these people know that i'm a

1374
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,319
neighbor and we'll you know but we do

1375
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:33,040
not want this this is a horrible idea

1376
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,400
and i'm sorry to say it like that but

1377
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,440
this is horrible okay the safety alone

1378
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,000
okay with this street this is a narrow

1379
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,319
winding little tiny 15 mile an hour road

1380
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:43,920
and i stare at it all day every day

1381
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,440
because it's in my backyard and there's

1382
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,800
a bike trail that goes right through

1383
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,800
there and i am terrified one day that a

1384
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,960
child or a pet or a person anybody is

1385
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,440
gonna get smacked because you can't see

1386
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,280
it's blind when you go around the trees

1387
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,200
block your vision you cannot see and

1388
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,559
somebody is going to get hit so now

1389
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,319
we're going to have 300 additional more

1390
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:02,559
cars going through here 300 more a day

1391
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:03,760
you know they're not going to all funnel

1392
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,200
out in 19th because the traffic is going

1393
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,559
to be horrible so what are they going to

1394
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,319
do they're going to go north 13th and

1395
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:09,680
somebody is going to get smacked walking

1396
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,200
across that bike trail and it's gonna be

1397
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,640
horrible so they go okay we'll improve

1398
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,000
the visibility so what are we gonna do

1399
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,359
we're gonna cut down the rest of the

1400
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:16,800
trees i already cried once when the

1401
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,160
trees went down to put in that road

1402
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,200
they're gonna knock them down again to

1403
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,880
make the visibility better that's not

1404
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,960
improving the neighborhood nobody wants

1405
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200
this the neighborhood doesn't want this

1406
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,119
it's that i better be done because

1407
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:28,319
that's but

1408
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:29,839
if we support this you are not

1409
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:30,800
supporting what people want in the

1410
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,000
neighborhoods

1411
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,079
and i just i i can't tell you enough

1412
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,000
what a horrible idea this is i will say

1413
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,200
this though you know what this should be

1414
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,319
you know what everybody wants i am in

1415
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:40,000
this park three times a day walking my

1416
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,800
dog

1417
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,559
a dog park that is what they should be

1418
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,160
the park district we do not have a dog

1419
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,440
park in west fargo that's what this

1420
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,640
should be that's what all the neighbors

1421
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,480
want they want that to be a dog park i

1422
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,920
could also see a community gardens in

1423
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,520
that corner there's already water access

1424
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,040
to water the plants so a dog park in

1425
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,800
community gardens that should not be

1426
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,640
town homes thank you so

1427
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,400
commissioner olson you had your hand up

1428
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,520
i would

1429
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,079
just ask commissioner george then if it

1430
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,200
was a dog park or a community garden

1431
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,119
where would the people park

1432
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:10,240
to

1433
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,359
bring their dogs there or drive to take

1434
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:15,200
care of the gardens i mean that i mean

1435
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,640
that's a good idea

1436
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,559
but you'd still have the parking issue

1437
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,800
because not everybody's within walking

1438
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,040
distance of that park that would want to

1439
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,480
come to that

1440
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,640
dog park to do what they need to do with

1441
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,280
their dogs so we would create a probably

1442
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,160
bigger

1443
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,800
parking issue than this than anybody

1444
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,880
would ever want and since i've got the

1445
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,800
floor for two seconds here

1446
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,640
the park district doesn't need our

1447
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,040
permission to sell the land

1448
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,400
they can sell the land it's just the

1449
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,000
rezoning of the land that they're really

1450
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,280
asking

1451
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,839
because it could be sold at at any time

1452
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:50,000
and come and come in and then that

1453
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,640
person could ask for it to be rezoned

1454
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,880
and who knows what could go in there it

1455
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,119
could be a gas station it could be a

1456
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,839
anything you could imagine but we still

1457
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:02,319
have to approve the rezoning of it but

1458
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,280
here

1459
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,559
they have met all of the um

1460
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,640
requirements the requirements they

1461
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,400
jumped through the hoops they've done

1462
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,079
the hurdles to make it something that

1463
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,720
would fit this little corner of west

1464
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,160
park

1465
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,280
that's all i got to say thank you mr so

1466
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,720
thank you so

1467
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,079
and mandy i want you to have a heart

1468
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,319
attack there so please be calm

1469
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:25,920
but i do have a couple questions in

1470
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,520
reference to what you said number one so

1471
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,800
then

1472
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,760
you keep

1473
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,359
first of all we represent the entire

1474
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:32,960
city not one neighborhood we have to

1475
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,559
look out what's best for the entire city

1476
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,079
and that's called taxpayer dollars you

1477
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:37,440
agree with that

1478
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,079
so there are 250 000

1479
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,559
in specials now there's another 100 and

1480
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,240
some thousand if they have to do some

1481
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,640
tear down projects and future future

1482
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,839
assessments

1483
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:49,599
are you saying that that neighborhood is

1484
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:53,040
okay with taking over those assessments

1485
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,720
personally i would rather pay a little

1486
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,400
bit more in taxes than have that turned

1487
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,400
into townhomes so is that going to guess

1488
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,440
most of the neighbors would probably

1489
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,640
feel the same way i can't speak for

1490
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,400
everybody else but i know nobody wants

1491
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,400
this so that would be my one question

1492
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,240
because that is a concern who's going to

1493
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,960
pay those assessments on that property

1494
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,240
the other thing i want to bring up and

1495
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,520
again this isn't

1496
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,040
to these folks because they just moved

1497
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,839
in and this nice lady in the front row

1498
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:17,440
but again i mentioned i've been through

1499
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,079
this process for 18 years okay when that

1500
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,400
original was built i was here

1501
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,800
and i recall them moving forward with

1502
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,720
where you live mandy they didn't want

1503
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,200
that either and where you live man they

1504
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,119
definitely didn't want that project and

1505
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:32,480
it's not to the people that live there

1506
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,400
now it's just that neighborhood they

1507
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,920
didn't want they don't want anything

1508
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,760
there but open field and green space and

1509
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,680
i understand that but when you talk

1510
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,280
about that hornbackers and that

1511
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,520
development that is huge for every

1512
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,359
citizen west fargo that brings in so

1513
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:47,680
much tax dollars and it's it's

1514
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,119
when you buy a house if you have a

1515
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:50,800
vacant lot or you have a field behind

1516
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,040
you you don't know better expect

1517
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,079
you know that something's going to

1518
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:55,200
change and you can't listen

1519
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,640
unfortunately to your realtors all the

1520
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,800
time either even though i was one i

1521
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,200
respect them but they don't have the the

1522
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,599
true laws and legality so i'm just

1523
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,200
saying i understand the position you're

1524
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,240
all in

1525
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,240
but at the same point

1526
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:09,760
we as we have to do something for the

1527
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,520
entire city

1528
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,960
thank you commissioner simmons

1529
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,400
commissioner

1530
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,119
so you know i agree with

1531
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,040
the point commissioner simmons on if

1532
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,240
it's an empty field

1533
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,079
it's going to be developed but i also

1534
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,680
believe that when you buy a house next

1535
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,680
to us what is considered a city park

1536
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,400
whether they want i mean it might not be

1537
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,839
most people view it as a component of

1538
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:33,520
elmwood

1539
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,079
and if you buy a house next to any one

1540
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:37,760
of our city parks you kind of buy it

1541
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,119
with the assumption it's going to be a

1542
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,559
city park

1543
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:41,920
and i think that automatically gets

1544
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,720
built into the value of those homes

1545
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,200
pretty sure if we wanted to put condos

1546
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,240
up

1547
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,640
behind the houses that are on the south

1548
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,400
side of rendezvous park people would

1549
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,000
argue that it would be devaluing their

1550
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,599
house

1551
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,839
and i don't see a difference

1552
00:54:57,839 --> 00:54:59,359
in this scenario maybe it doesn't

1553
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,200
devalue it as much

1554
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,799
but i think you know there's there's an

1555
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:04,880
impact here to the value of the

1556
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,720
surrounding property owners you know

1557
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,440
parks this makes total sense from a

1558
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,760
financial standpoint i have thought

1559
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,799
i've spent more time on this than i

1560
00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:16,319
than than i wish i would have you know

1561
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:17,599
honestly thinking through this because

1562
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,200
from a financial perspective i

1563
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,880
completely agree

1564
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,520
with what the park board wants to do

1565
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,280
but then i keep pulling myself back the

1566
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,680
pet factor i'm not sure parks are

1567
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,160
supposed to make financial sense

1568
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,559
in the role they play in our community

1569
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:35,200
and so that's i think

1570
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,640
probably a good hint at where i'm at on

1571
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,920
this

1572
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,599
commissioner

1573
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:51,510
additional comments commissioners

1574
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,440
so what is the action mirror that we are

1575
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,480
expected to take tonight we are we are

1576
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,960
this is an actionable item to approve

1577
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,720
the first reading and the public hearing

1578
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,520
to rezone it okay that's all we're doing

1579
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,000
is is the zoning

1580
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,200
question

1581
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,680
now if this if this goes through and it

1582
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,440
becomes a pud

1583
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,760
obviously the developer has to come back

1584
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,400
with us with whatever and we can approve

1585
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,000
or disprove

1586
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,480
uh anything in all that

1587
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,319
am i correct and not a

1588
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,789
summary

1589
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:28,079
megan or tim megan

1590
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,599
is that somewhat coherent

1591
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,789
or correct

1592
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:37,280
hi good uh union commission and i would

1593
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,880
like i guess uh assistance of the

1594
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,880
administrator to correct me if i'm wrong

1595
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,040
but you are

1596
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,359
looking at the development today and

1597
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:47,839
making a motion um either in favor or

1598
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:50,880
not in favor of um the development and

1599
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,960
the zoning and the zoning

1600
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,829
essentially

1601
00:56:55,839 --> 00:56:57,200
yep correct and there would have to be a

1602
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,280
second or second radius correct

1603
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,799
and even more time to work on the pud

1604
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:05,359
i would suspect if you have comments

1605
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:08,000
that can be relayed to the applicant

1606
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,160
your commission could do that

1607
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,480
okay because normally the nomenclature

1608
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,520
is the final plot too

1609
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,280
and this is this application is just for

1610
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,319
zoning

1611
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:20,400
there's no um subdivision or plot with

1612
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,680
this application

1613
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,200
so

1614
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,200
again restate

1615
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,559
it is not only for the zoning change but

1616
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:31,200
is an approval for the development

1617
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,069
that correct correct thank you megan

1618
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,880
i would make a motion to approve

1619
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,559
i'll second it

1620
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,000
it's been moved into commissioner

1621
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,559
simmons moves commissioner olson seconds

1622
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,640
the approval of the first reading and

1623
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,160
the public hearing of elmwood court

1624
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,400
fourth edition rezoning from public

1625
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,280
facilities to a pud-planned unit

1626
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,400
development

1627
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:17,750
is there any further discussion

1628
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,920
all those in favor

1629
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,520
please signify by saying aye aye aye

1630
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,750
all those opposed say nay

1631
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:34,549
motion fails on a three to two vote

1632
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,400
item number two is the first reading and

1633
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,240
public hearing proposed willow creek

1634
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,799
second subdivision rezoning tabled on

1635
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:44,480
august 2 2021 continued on august 16

1636
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,920
2021 are we requested to continue the

1637
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,880
public hearing we have uh

1638
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,400
mr soberg

1639
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,079
and megan is coming up to i believe

1640
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:56,240
actually another continued request to be

1641
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,520
continued do you need to come up megan

1642
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,950
i'm sorry

1643
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,160
i was just going to note that your

1644
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,839
commission continued this item on august

1645
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:05,680
16th and we have no new information we

1646
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,920
work closely with mr shockley on this

1647
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,280
and right now staff's recommendation is

1648
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,200
to continue the item

1649
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,720
so your request is to continue the

1650
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,400
public hearing

1651
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,079
commissioners any comments

1652
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,079
questions

1653
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,720
i have a motion to uh honor the request

1654
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,520
to

1655
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,079
continue the public request to continue

1656
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:25,920
so move thank you commissioner simmons

1657
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,000
is there a second second commissioner

1658
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,359
gerda big second has been moved and

1659
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:30,559
seconded to

1660
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,599
again continue this public hearing

1661
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,040
for the first reading of

1662
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,240
proposed willow creek second subdivision

1663
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,440
all those in favor signify by saying aye

1664
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,720
opposed

1665
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,079
motion carried

1666
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,079
item number three is the discussion of

1667
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,640
the drought phase three mr soberg

1668
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,960
assistant city administrator

1669
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,880
uh for the city of west fargo and it

1670
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,319
looks like you have some gentlemen with

1671
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:55,040
you

1672
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,319
uh kellen grubb and troy hall i do thank

1673
00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:00,079
you mr president in response to the

1674
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:01,920
continued dry conditions our region our

1675
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,440
region has experienced this year and as

1676
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,040
a response to the city of fargo's recent

1677
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,040
move to what they refer to as phase

1678
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,960
three drought response we want to

1679
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,000
provide the commission with some

1680
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,359
background and explanation of our

1681
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:13,280
efforts to seek to reduce non-essential

1682
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,400
water usage

1683
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,520
as well as inform you of our

1684
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,119
responsibilities as a customer to the

1685
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:18,480
city of fargo

1686
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:19,920
in advance of our consideration of

1687
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,240
ordinance 1191 which is on the next on

1688
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,240
the agenda

1689
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,599
on july 6 2015 the city of

1690
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:29,280
west fargo entered into an agreement

1691
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,480
with the city of fargo to provide

1692
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,000
treated water for the residents of west

1693
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,559
fargo purchased by the city of fargo we

1694
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,240
provide this water to our customers and

1695
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,520
receive it at two main points from the

1696
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,119
city of fargo with potential of a third

1697
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:40,720
point in the future part of this

1698
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,160
agreement states that the city of west

1699
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,960
fargo agrees to adopt and enforce an

1700
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,400
equivalent drought and water service

1701
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,319
management plan and equivalent drought

1702
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:49,920
water service response measures

1703
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,760
ordinance that in the event of certain

1704
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,000
conditions could be used

1705
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,280
to ensure the same water use

1706
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,119
restrictions will be placed on all users

1707
01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,799
of this system

1708
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:00,559
city of west fargo continues to hold

1709
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,040
both and i'm sorry i have listed up here

1710
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,760
uh kellen and troy put a part of our

1711
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,680
agreement on the the powerpoint here and

1712
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,079
we reviewed that again today this indeed

1713
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:12,880
is the language that's in the agreement

1714
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,040
i paraphrased it on my past paragraph

1715
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,240
there

1716
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,920
the city of west fargo continues to hold

1717
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,359
both surface and ground router

1718
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:21,359
appropriations however these permits are

1719
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,359
not being utilized our connections to

1720
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,760
the unsustainable groundwater systems

1721
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,760
are closed and are costly and

1722
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,520
complicated to reopen without major

1723
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,760
disruption to the system we also chose

1724
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,440
not to build a very costly surface water

1725
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,880
treatment plant

1726
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,640
the system that we are using today

1727
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,160
provides water through our agreement

1728
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,599
with the city of fargo so we're

1729
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:41,280
receiving city of fargo surface water

1730
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,960
appropriations

1731
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,720
i'm here to talk about both the drought

1732
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,240
monitoring and the responses that the

1733
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,839
city of fargo have used our water

1734
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:50,000
utility director troy hall he's joined

1735
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,000
by kellen grubb of and associates who's

1736
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,319
their consultant with this as well i'll

1737
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:56,319
turn it over to them

1738
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:59,280
thank you mr sober good evening welcome

1739
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,599
yeah thank you uh mayor commissioners

1740
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,440
yeah i thought we'd uh give a little bit

1741
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,720
of a background on our draw plan i'll

1742
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,119
talk about the fargo appropriations what

1743
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,599
we have for permits and then

1744
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:15,280
talk a little bit about our drought plan and then kellen

1745
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,440
will talk about the stream flows and

1746
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,359
kind of current conditions and give some

1747
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,920
historical perspective as to

1748
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,870
where we're at

1749
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,520
so with fargo we have three different

1750
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,559
permits to take water for our treatment

1751
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,640
through our treatment plant

1752
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,960
one is the red river of the north that

1753
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,880
right runs right by the water treatment

1754
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,480
plant and that's a a large appropriation

1755
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,640
that we have on that river

1756
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,440
the second one is the cheyenne river and

1757
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,359
we have a smaller permit on the cheyenne

1758
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:54,000
river we have an intake right at 52nd

1759
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,240
avenue south and we are actually like

1760
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,799
today we're using both both rivers

1761
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,799
right now for for treatment

1762
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:02,799
the third permit that we have

1763
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:05,760
is lake ashtabula and that's really our

1764
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,319
doubt our our drought backup water

1765
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:10,400
supply so that's that's really critical

1766
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,520
for us if we uh get would get further

1767
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,839
into this

1768
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:16,880
and then

1769
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,000
as far as locations uh just just one

1770
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,240
thing to keep in mind you see this map

1771
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,240
fargo it really doesn't from a

1772
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,960
precipitation standpoint it doesn't

1773
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,119
matter a whole lot from a water supply

1774
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,240
if water if rain falls in fargo and west

1775
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,240
fargo it's really coming from elsewhere

1776
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,400
so that's just something to keep in mind

1777
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,480
we get we got quite a bit of rain the

1778
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,520
last couple weeks but it help it is

1779
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,200
helping but not not as much as we might think

1780
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,240
um

1781
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,799
so the water collects in in different in

1782
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:52,079
different areas so the water coming from

1783
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:52,880
the

1784
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,880
lake uh lake hashibula that's north

1785
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,039
valley city so the water collects

1786
01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,920
rainfall up north will collect there

1787
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,480
also like travers south of wapaton

1788
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,240
rainfall there but the probably the most

1789
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,280
critical one for us is is really the

1790
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,000
otter tail watershed and i do have a

1791
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,400
slide i just like to explain this just a

1792
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,680
little bit more

1793
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,200
so

1794
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,760
with in order to and this is this has

1795
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,000
been the most really the most reliable

1796
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,039
source of water for the treatment plant

1797
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,119
what you see is uh

1798
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:27,520
my glasses are a little bit bad here so

1799
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,400
but

1800
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,400
the sea is a graphic and this is the

1801
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,559
ottertail watershed so really

1802
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,599
when we get rain and snowfall in between

1803
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:37,920
detroit lakes perham

1804
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,200
fergus falls battle lake that's where if

1805
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,920
we get rain and snow in that area

1806
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,920
and it fills the lakes and then it

1807
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,240
eventually runs through fergus falls

1808
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,119
runs up the red river and buyer intake

1809
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,599
so that's really what we need and a lot

1810
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,079
of the rains we've had this summer i

1811
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,200
watched the radars constantly

1812
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,799
just about and

1813
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:02,880
the the rate it's just the rain a lot of

1814
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,960
the rain is just missing this this area

1815
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,039
here which is kind of unfortunate and it

1816
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,280
did help a couple weeks ago more rain

1817
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,720
fell in fargo

1818
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,280
and west fargo than it did out in lakes

1819
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,190
country

1820
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,720
so that gives you an idea of kind of

1821
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,960
where where it comes from and the only

1822
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,640
other thing i mentioned we are at the

1823
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,119
lakes are low out there and levels we

1824
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,760
are at a water deficit so we got to make

1825
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,119
up some ground and kellen is going to

1826
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:30,960
show graphic and i think it's in your

1827
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,280
commission pack it shows how much the

1828
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:34,960
river flow has slowed down over the

1829
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,200
summer

1830
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,160
so

1831
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,559
if if things were to slow down the rain

1832
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,359
just rain just helped but

1833
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:46,319
we we do have an option as our drought

1834
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:47,839
supply to

1835
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:49,440
call on water

1836
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,520
from lake ashabula we'd have to work

1837
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,520
through the state water commission and

1838
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,760
corps of engineers to ask for this water

1839
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:56,559
but

1840
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:58,319
fargo has a

1841
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:01,520
pretty sizable appropriations

1842
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:02,480
the

1843
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,440
lake ashtabula so does west fargo and so

1844
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,160
we figure we have a a year plus we're at

1845
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,760
the water supply there if things were to

1846
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,000
get more severe we could call upon that

1847
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,760
and we are actually having some

1848
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,240
conversations with and trying to get

1849
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,079
steps in place where we need to do that

1850
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:18,799
and

1851
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,400
i think the the rain just kind of kicked

1852
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,240
the can down the road a little bit here

1853
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,799
but uh but we we do we are working on

1854
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:27,599
this option as well

1855
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,400
um for our current uh drought plan this

1856
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,480
is this is the one we uh submitted to

1857
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,640
this the fargo city commission a few

1858
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,760
weeks ago and really what we uh

1859
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,200
look at here

1860
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,880
is there's there's four different

1861
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,039
indicators uh the polymer drought

1862
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:46,559
severity index the standard

1863
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,799
precipitation index we look at the

1864
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:51,200
stream flows in the red and cheyenne

1865
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,760
river we also look at

1866
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,599
the reservoir levels um and

1867
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,920
so that we're we're kind of waiting the streamflows and reservoir levels we

1868
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,640
see those uh daily updated

1869
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,000
with the

1870
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,000
palmer drought severity index and the

1871
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,079
standard precipitation index

1872
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:12,319
those numbers come out monthly so we're

1873
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:13,760
waiting they should come out about the

1874
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,680
10th of the month so we're just waiting

1875
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,440
a few more days and we'll have some new

1876
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,119
numbers we thought we'd wait for all the

1877
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:21,599
data before we recalculated

1878
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:23,200
so um

1879
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,480
that's what we're that's kind of what

1880
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,640
we're looking looking at but

1881
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,400
again the recent rains helped we're

1882
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,440
assuming

1883
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,680
that the palmer drought severity index

1884
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,359
the standard precipitation

1885
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:35,680
index will improve but we we're just

1886
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,839
waiting for the numbers on that so right

1887
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:40,720
now fargo is at a phase three and we're

1888
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,960
going to evaluate where we're at in the

1889
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,400
next week and

1890
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,119
look at potentially a new recommendation

1891
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,559
so from a drought response standpoint

1892
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,599
uh the biggest thing with the phase 3 is

1893
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:54,799
the outdoor

1894
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,520
it's it's it's outdoor irrigation so

1895
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,680
when we did see the rain and we went to

1896
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,520
phase three the rain probably helped a

1897
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,200
little bit more but we have seen about a

1898
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,359
thirty percent reduction in our water

1899
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:07,920
man so it it the rain really affects it

1900
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,400
we can see the demands go significantly

1901
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,039
down and really the the

1902
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:14,559
end game here the thing that's really

1903
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,440
important is we gotta have a enough

1904
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:19,679
water to keep the water towers full in

1905
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:22,000
west fargo and fargo so we don't want to

1906
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,520
be in a position

1907
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,159
where we're we're losing ground and we

1908
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:27,600
can't keep them full so that's why it's

1909
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,000
kind of a phased approach so we can kind

1910
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,000
of ease into it a little bit and then as

1911
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,040
things get more critical that's uh then

1912
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,440
we can make those make those adjustments

1913
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:39,920
so with that i'm going to turn it over

1914
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,920
to kellen to talk a little bit more

1915
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,520
about the stream flows thank you very

1916
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,199
much thank you sir

1917
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:46,880
good evening welcome

1918
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,159
um

1919
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,000
good evening uh kellen grubb with berean

1920
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,199
associates

1921
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:53,679
um so on this graphic this is showing

1922
01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:55,920
red river stream flows measured at the

1923
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,440
fargo gauge the usgs fargo gauge

1924
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,120
as you can see here

1925
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,640
the stream the daily stream flow is

1926
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,120
shown in blue this goes back to april

1927
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,600
1st through today

1928
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,359
and also the horizontal lines on here

1929
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,279
are the 50th percentile which is the

1930
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,440
median for the period of record

1931
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:16,239
the 25th percentile flow and the 10th

1932
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,080
percentile

1933
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,920
as you can see things shot up in the

1934
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,759
spring with spring runoff and we've been

1935
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:24,319
on a pretty steady decline um throughout

1936
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,319
the summer months but the recent rains

1937
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,000
certainly have helped and you've you can

1938
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,600
see towards the end of this graphic the

1939
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,679
stream flows have started to come back

1940
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:32,839
up a little

1941
01:09:32,839 --> 01:09:36,159
bit this is the same data but this is

1942
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:38,640
just looking at a 30-day the past 30

1943
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,960
days on the red river so you see those

1944
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,159
significant spikes in in the chart those

1945
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:45,600
are the rain events that we've

1946
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,000
experienced in the last 30 days and as

1947
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,040
troy

1948
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,719
mentioned about the deficits and the

1949
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,319
watersheds in the basins and all the

1950
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:53,920
lakes being low

1951
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,440
you know those streets those stream

1952
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,760
flows go right back down is what we've

1953
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,679
seen until that deficit starts to get

1954
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:01,360
replenished a little bit

1955
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,199
so as you can see

1956
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,760
there was this is the red river graphic

1957
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,239
a lot of a lot of rain in the

1958
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:09,199
um

1959
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,199
by lake orwell and in lakes country and

1960
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:12,640
in that river basin so now we're

1961
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,239
starting to see things come back a

1962
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:15,280
little bit

1963
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,640
and i the data this morning showed 330

1964
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,880
cubic feet per second and i just checked

1965
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,800
it a little bit ago and we're already um

1966
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,000
at 390 cubic feet per second so this is

1967
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,520
something something that we'll continue

1968
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,440
to monitor really closely

1969
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,520
just to make sure that

1970
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,920
stream flows are stabilizing and once we

1971
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,520
start to see those drop off it's just

1972
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,149
something that we like to keep tabs on

1973
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:42,080
as troy mentioned

1974
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,960
orwell dam is is sits near fergus falls

1975
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,719
on orwell lake this is a critical piece

1976
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:48,480
of infrastructure of the red river uh

1977
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:50,880
raw water system so orwell dam

1978
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,679
discharges to the ottertail river which

1979
01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:55,520
joins with the boy de sioux river near

1980
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,600
wapiton and breckenridge and that forms

1981
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,520
the red river of the north

1982
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,040
currently right now they're discharging

1983
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,199
222 cfs today

1984
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:07,840
but i do want to note that the core

1985
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,560
minimum release target is 80 cubic feet

1986
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,080
per second

1987
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,120
while the pool elevation remains above

1988
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,880
1060.

1989
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,480
you can see here that today we're at

1990
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:21,280
1065 pool elevation

1991
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,080
and i did want to mention that

1992
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,360
outflows as low as 63 cfs did occur

1993
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,679
throughout a lot of

1994
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:31,360
the middle of august

1995
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,280
so we did start to see right around

1996
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:38,470
those minimum releases from the core

1997
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,560
this is the same graphic except this is

1998
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,719
the cheyenne river measured at kindred

1999
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:45,520
um the one thing to note here was that

2000
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,800
around

2001
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,239
um you know july 22nd we started to see

2002
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:52,560
things really start to drop off on the

2003
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,199
cheyenne river and then around middle of

2004
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,600
august we actually dropped below the

2005
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,840
10th percentile flow

2006
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,120
of 39 cfs so we were below that but

2007
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,360
recent rainfall throughout the month of

2008
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,320
august in the cheyenne river basin has

2009
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,400
led to that stream flow increasing as

2010
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,920
well

2011
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:12,880
and

2012
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,000
we just show here the same 30-day

2013
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,320
previous 30 days on the cheyenne river

2014
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,640
and i just checked this as well and this

2015
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,600
was 184 this morning and it's 212 cubic

2016
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,600
feet per second as of just a little bit

2017
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,990
ago

2018
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,320
uh troy also mentioned bald hill dam so

2019
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,560
this sits on lake ashtabula and this

2020
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,840
feeds the cheyenne river system

2021
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,640
um

2022
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,199
see today they are releasing around i

2023
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:42,560
believe that says 190 197 cubic feet per

2024
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:43,440
second

2025
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,000
and the core minimum release target is

2026
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,800
13 cubic feet per second

2027
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,640
on this dam and

2028
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:51,920
throughout

2029
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,679
a good portion of august they were

2030
01:12:53,679 --> 01:12:56,080
actually releasing the minimum

2031
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,070
from bald hill down

2032
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,520
last i just want to show a couple

2033
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,840
historical comparison graphics

2034
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,480
so this is compare comparing 2021

2035
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,800
conditions so where we're at today on

2036
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,080
the red river

2037
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,320
those bars are shown in blue that's your

2038
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,560
monthly average stream flow and then the

2039
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,719
gray bars are historical

2040
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:18,719
so in this graphic

2041
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:20,800
people you know the 1930s is a

2042
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,320
significant drought that's referenced

2043
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,560
frequently um in the red river valley so

2044
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,000
this is overlaying that early late 1929

2045
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,040
and then

2046
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,360
early 1930s data

2047
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,960
with this effort we were just trying to

2048
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,679
see okay how do we align in 2021 versus

2049
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:38,000
some of these past you know really

2050
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,840
catastrophic droughts we just wanted to

2051
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,520
see where we're at we were at in terms

2052
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,159
of stream flows as you can see um the

2053
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:45,679
stream flows and all the blue bars are

2054
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,280
greater than the gray bars which shows

2055
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,520
us that we're not quite there at um you

2056
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:54,229
know like a 1930s style drought

2057
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,800
lastly a drought that is more recent the

2058
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,080
late 1980s and the red river actually um

2059
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,760
over the last couple months has been the

2060
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,600
lowest since the night since this

2061
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,239
drought period so this was a good uh

2062
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,400
good time period to reference but as you

2063
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,040
can see here with july and august

2064
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,400
2021 actually started to dip below what

2065
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,719
we saw in 1987 so

2066
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:18,239
i should note that these graphics don't

2067
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,159
have september on it seems like flows

2068
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:21,440
are starting to come back you know

2069
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:22,960
towards the end of august and into

2070
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,280
september now with the recent rains um

2071
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,880
we will certainly add that as we get

2072
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,640
more data

2073
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,600
but we're hoping that when we see you

2074
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,120
know add september to this chart it's

2075
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,199
above that gray bar but we're just

2076
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:36,480
comparing

2077
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:38,000
our current conditions to historical

2078
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,840
conditions to see where we're

2079
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,760
at with that we'd like to thank you and

2080
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:44,880
then we'd be happy to answer any

2081
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,880
questions thank you mr grubb

2082
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:52,870
questions for mr grubb or mr hall

2083
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,960
commissioner george can you just really

2084
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,560
simplify it in simple terms how the

2085
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,440
recent rains have affected um the

2086
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:02,790
drought right now just

2087
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,199
so um i guess i'll go back

2088
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:08,390
here um

2089
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,560
maybe to these graphics this one in the

2090
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,719
red river so those are the significant

2091
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:14,880
rain events that we see in fargo and you

2092
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,920
see those um you see those drastic peaks

2093
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,280
because all the water is flowing into

2094
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,480
the red river and it's getting picked up

2095
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,080
at that gauge

2096
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,560
but because of the deficit that we have

2097
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,080
in the basin um and the watershed those

2098
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,880
um haven't began to stabilize yet but

2099
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,440
now we're hoping that with this you know

2100
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:35,120
these series of rainfall events that

2101
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:36,400
it's going to help replenish that

2102
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,960
deficit the lakes will come up the

2103
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,800
reservoirs will come up and then that

2104
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,400
will start to stabilize and you won't

2105
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,920
see that significant decrease but

2106
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:52,790
does that answer your question thank you

2107
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,800
anyone else

2108
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,480
i was called to an emergency drought

2109
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:58,960
meeting last week with mayor mahoney

2110
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,000
myself

2111
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,600
mayor boshinsky out of grand forks

2112
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,440
senate majority leader rich wardner was

2113
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:08,320
there a house majority leader chetra

2114
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,239
pollard was there

2115
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,320
appropriations were there chairman and

2116
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,920
all and it was all over the red river

2117
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,159
water supply discussion

2118
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:18,960
and

2119
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,640
the all the concerns that they have with

2120
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,040
drought and obviously mr hall and mr

2121
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,280
grubb here are providing some of that

2122
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,590
uh

2123
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,159
important data to to all the parties

2124
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,320
involved so it is a real concern that

2125
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,920
we're dealing with right now there's no

2126
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,159
question about that commissioner olsen

2127
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,239
just one question yeah does the city of

2128
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,000
moorhead take water from the red no

2129
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,360
wahpeton

2130
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,040
um east grand forks all that

2131
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,080
yeah thank you for the question morehead

2132
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,239
does take water from the red river they

2133
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:51,920
also have wells

2134
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,080
to the uh to the east

2135
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,280
of moorhead so they have river and wells

2136
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,280
east grand forks i believe they take

2137
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,600
water not from the red river from the

2138
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,120
red lake river

2139
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,080
up there

2140
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,719
wapton i think they're a groundwater

2141
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:08,640
system but i'm not certain about that

2142
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,480
but yeah we have

2143
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,520
grand forks has both permits on the red

2144
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,360
and red lake river i think they mostly

2145
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,440
use the red lake river

2146
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,440
thank you

2147
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,080
additional questions for the gentleman

2148
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,239
all right thank you very much

2149
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,159
this is for information only this is not

2150
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,719
an actionable item item number four is a

2151
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:32,480
drought ordinance ordinance 1191

2152
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,800
i'm sorry commission

2153
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,480
uh commissioner george is requesting

2154
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:38,960
that we take a recess so

2155
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,360
we're we stand adjourned for uh

2156
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,630
five minutes

2157
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:59,990
uh

2158
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:18,070
so you want me

2159
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:29,030
foreign

2160
01:18:29,040 --> 01:19:28,790
um

2161
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:53,189
architecture

2162
01:19:53,199 --> 01:20:38,149
is

2163
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:58,950
hello

2164
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:28,229
you were right you're right

2165
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:45,590
yes

2166
01:21:45,600 --> 01:22:12,950
foreign

2167
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:27,350
uh

2168
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:44,629
okay

2169
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:54,149
here we go

2170
01:22:54,159 --> 01:23:13,590
so i didn't take the six years

2171
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:26,950
is

2172
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:35,270
ready

2173
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,719
the meeting will please come back to

2174
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:37,760
order

2175
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,840
item number four is a drought ordinance 1191

2176
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,400
second reading mr shockley city attorney

2177
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,400
city of west fargo thank you mr

2178
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,159
commission president

2179
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:51,920
before you you have the

2180
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,239
ordinance number 1191

2181
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:56,239
is the second reading of the ordinance

2182
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,719
creating a drought and water system

2183
01:23:58,719 --> 01:24:00,480
response measures

2184
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:02,000
there's been no changes between the

2185
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,080
first and second reading if this

2186
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,000
ordinance is approved then the next step

2187
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,760
is i'll be working with the city

2188
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,840
engineer and the city administrator to

2189
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,080
develop regulations to implement the

2190
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,120
ordinance

2191
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,800
and those regulations would then come

2192
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,400
back to the city commission for approval

2193
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,639
to to be quite frank i i would not

2194
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:22,960
expect that the regulations would become

2195
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,880
operative until next summer hopefully it

2196
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,040
doesn't but if we were in a drought

2197
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,239
situation

2198
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:29,120
so

2199
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,760
this is one step in several that we're

2200
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,520
required to undertake as part of our

2201
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,400
agreement with fargo to purchase water

2202
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,239
thank you mr shock questions for mr

2203
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,159
shockley

2204
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,560
commissioner simon i won john i read

2205
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:43,920
through this just to make sure i'm

2206
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,360
correct that

2207
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,719
when we go through these different

2208
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,560
phases and if we would have to consider

2209
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,880
an emergency drought that the city

2210
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,800
commission makes that decision is that

2211
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,040
correct that is correct commissioner

2212
01:24:55,040 --> 01:25:01,350
simmons thank you

2213
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,600
at the same time there's conditions in

2214
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,480
our contract with the city of fargo

2215
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,520
correct

2216
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:10,880
you would still have to follow your

2217
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,120
contract but we've matched the drought

2218
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,040
conditions up to what are pretty close

2219
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,840
to fargo so as far ago i would envision

2220
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:18,480
it

2221
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:20,400
and we'll we'll probably address this in

2222
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,560
the regulations but when fargo takes

2223
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,880
action i would expect you know they'll

2224
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,440
go first west fargo as you go through

2225
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,040
the different drought phases just like

2226
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,560
it's happening now but we're just

2227
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,080
codifying it

2228
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,360
yeah yeah

2229
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,480
just to clarify we have a contractual

2230
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:39,679
agreement that we need to follow

2231
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:41,280
thank you absolutely and i totally agree

2232
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,760
with that my more my more question and

2233
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,280
it was the question asked was correct

2234
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:46,400
but it's like

2235
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,480
so say fargo

2236
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,360
does this on a tuesday

2237
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,040
do we just automatically follow suit or

2238
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,320
do we have to have a commission meeting

2239
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,000
to do it because waiting two weeks to do

2240
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,440
this stuff is kind of

2241
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,440
too long i mean you know we can't we've

2242
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,120
been out here three weeks waiting

2243
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,880
they've already went to a phase and here

2244
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,480
we sit so that was kind of where i was

2245
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,000
going where

2246
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,400
would this be automatic or do we come

2247
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,679
back to the commission the way it's

2248
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:11,280
drafted right now would have to come

2249
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,280
back to the city commission it wouldn't

2250
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,239
just be automatic uh i guess i have

2251
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,560
concerns with the city commission not

2252
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,880
taking action i mean it

2253
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,239
correct so we could have a special

2254
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:24,880
meeting though very quickly

2255
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,040
good question thank you yeah i i just

2256
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,040
didn't i just thought it is something

2257
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,719
that the city commission

2258
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,560
should be making that decision rather

2259
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,880
than it automatically happening now if

2260
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,480
the city commission failed to take

2261
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,120
action there might be contractual

2262
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,679
uh issues with the city of fargo but to

2263
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:43,520
me that's a decision that's

2264
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,600
up to the city commission to balance

2265
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,520
those issues out and make it here i'm

2266
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:48,719
sorry

2267
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:50,560
i don't the reason i ask that question i

2268
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,080
don't want to lose the authority that

2269
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,080
the city commission makes it but at the

2270
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,520
same time i want to make sure that we're

2271
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,840
expedient and so we could call a special

2272
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,440
meeting very quickly to get that done we

2273
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:00,719
don't have to wait this three weeks it's

2274
01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:03,760
kind of my point here correct yep

2275
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,920
my question is can we

2276
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,120
declare a drought emergency

2277
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,199
prior to fargo

2278
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:13,840
yes okay that doesn't prohibit us of

2279
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,239
doing that if we feel we

2280
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:17,679
need to implement it we can do it

2281
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:24,709
without having to wait for them to do it correct okay

2282
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:26,480
commissioners you have before you the

2283
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:29,760
drought ordinance 1191 second reading

2284
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,520
your pleasure

2285
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,040
my move we approve the second mission

2286
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,880
commissioner olson moves to approve sir

2287
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,360
second commissioner jordanvik second

2288
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,440
it's been moved in second to approve

2289
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:42,719
uh the second reading of ordinance 1191

2290
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:44,719
which is the drought ordinance

2291
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:51,910
uh is there any further discussion

2292
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,760
hearing on all those in favor signify by

2293
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,000
saying aye

2294
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,159
opposed

2295
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:00,880
motion carries thank you commissioners

2296
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,040
item number five is a presentation of

2297
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,000
the city of west fargo's 2020 financial

2298
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,880
statements and audit mr larson finance

2299
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,239
director

2300
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,000
city of west fargo

2301
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,199
also with him is brian steven jur from

2302
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:16,719
ida bailey

2303
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:18,080
good evening commission president

2304
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,199
commissioners thank you for the

2305
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:21,760
opportunity to present the 2020 audit

2306
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,000
while it is a few months past that year

2307
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,239
end it's still relevant uh that we make

2308
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,000
sure that we take a look at these this

2309
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,840
information

2310
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,199
so the 2020 financials were audited by

2311
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,840
id bailly hired by the commission

2312
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:36,960
and that

2313
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:41,440
completed on august 2nd 2021

2314
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,120
it's a process that takes a time frame

2315
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:44,960
it does take effort from staff finance

2316
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,880
staff as well as other members of the of

2317
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,960
the uh city staff it's not just the

2318
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,560
financial staff that have to work on

2319
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,080
this

2320
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,840
today tonight we have brian stavinger

2321
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,760
here he is a partner with id bailly and

2322
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,520
he will be presenting an executive

2323
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,480
summary which allows us to condense down

2324
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:02,400
the amount of information

2325
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,040
as well tonight i did present to you as

2326
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,120
prepared by bailey the full financial

2327
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,080
statements and audit report federal and

2328
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,800
regular audit as well as the executive

2329
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,440
summary and so with that

2330
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,360
i am going to let

2331
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,080
brian stavenger come up and

2332
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,000
present and respond to any questions as

2333
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:22,880
well

2334
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,560
city administrator myself are available

2335
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,719
for questions also thank you mr larson

2336
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:28,719
thank you

2337
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:30,960
good evening and welcome

2338
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,960
thank you very much

2339
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,080
certainly don't want to minimize the

2340
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,600
importance of an audit the importance of

2341
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:36,800
financial statements but i am going to

2342
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,120
go through this fairly quickly

2343
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:40,480
the executive summary and all that

2344
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:41,760
information i know was previously

2345
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,639
provided electronically to you got hard copies today

2346
01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:48,320
and jim informed me that he provided

2347
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,840
kind of his own commentary as well when

2348
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,520
he shared that with you a few weeks ago

2349
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:52,719
so you'll probably hear a little bit of

2350
01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:54,960
repeat from that email

2351
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,159
but again i'm going to try to go through

2352
01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:57,600
it as quick as i can i'll pause

2353
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,000
periodically as you have questions or

2354
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,440
comments to be made

2355
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,199
and we'll get through this as quick as

2356
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:04,880
we can

2357
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,440
so as jim mentioned uh 2020 audit so

2358
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:09,520
whenever i talk about this year or this

2359
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,159
most recent year always uh uh

2360
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:13,760
remembering it's actually eight year

2361
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,600
eight months ago it was finished up so

2362
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,679
it is a little bit of uh some history

2363
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:19,520
that we're talking about

2364
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,679
the benefit of this executive summary is

2365
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:23,280
we've got 10 years worth of information

2366
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,280
in most spots the audit annually is

2367
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,760
about one year maybe two years so really

2368
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:28,880
like to give you some graphical

2369
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,080
information

2370
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,480
and allow you to see that those trends

2371
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:33,760
so i'll go through first the auto

2372
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,520
opinion very very important our opinion

2373
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,280
is a clean unmodified opinion that's

2374
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,679
what you want when you get an audit that

2375
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:41,360
means everything is fairly stated

2376
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,120
materially accurate everything that's in

2377
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:44,800
that full audit or needs to be in that

2378
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:49,350
full audit is in that audit

2379
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:50,400
this year

2380
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,239
2020

2381
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:54,639
for the first time in in a long time

2382
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:56,159
also had to do a separate audit on

2383
01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:58,800
federal funds so anytime any local

2384
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,000
government

2385
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,360
receives or expends over 750 000 in

2386
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,679
federal awards requires a secondary

2387
01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:07,920
audit required by federal guidance

2388
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,800
uh roughly 4.8 almost 4.9 million in

2389
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,000
2020 which was vast vast majority of

2390
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,840
that was uh

2391
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,639
virus relief funds from the cares act

2392
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:20,239
triggered that requirement so in

2393
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:21,840
conjunction with your annual audit that

2394
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,840
we do every year we also did a federal

2395
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,840
audit heavy compliance and internal

2396
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:26,960
controls just to make sure you're

2397
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,880
spending those dollars appropriately

2398
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,960
according to the federal guidelines also

2399
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,440
a clean unmodified opinion on those

2400
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:36,000
federal funds

2401
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,159
lastly in this section any findings as

2402
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,080
we go through the audit

2403
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:41,679
if we have any findings to report to you

2404
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:43,199
those would be reported in your full

2405
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,520
audit we summarize those here two audits

2406
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:46,800
are two findings on the financial

2407
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,480
statement audit no findings on the

2408
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:50,159
federal audit those two findings for the

2409
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:52,080
financial statements uh were also in

2410
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,679
place in 2019

2411
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:55,520
material journal entries basically we

2412
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,560
are asked by the the city to help with

2413
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,320
the pension entries those are pretty

2414
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,719
complicated calculations as well as

2415
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:04,880
other post-employment benefits or opeb

2416
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,800
so we propose those entries management

2417
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,520
reviews them and approves them we also

2418
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,120
as auditors have been asked by

2419
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,360
management to prepare the full audit on

2420
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,840
the city's behalf we prepare it it is

2421
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,080
reviewed extensively and approved by

2422
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,440
management

2423
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,679
any uh instance where those two items

2424
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:23,120
come up we have to report those as

2425
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:24,320
findings

2426
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,000
and when we do that again in federal

2427
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,159
awards no findings that's very very

2428
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:29,760
important uh from the federal government

2429
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:30,960
standpoint that you're spending the

2430
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,960
money appropriately according to those

2431
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:34,960
rules i'll pause there to see if there's

2432
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,400
any questions

2433
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,480
on the uh high level results of the

2434
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:42,070
audit

2435
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:43,600
all right continue on we'll get into

2436
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,000
some numbers

2437
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,679
first one here is cash this is looking

2438
01:32:47,679 --> 01:32:49,760
at total cash balances across the entire

2439
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,480
city broken down into two categories the

2440
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:54,239
proprietary which is really the water

2441
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,400
sewer and garbage that's the green for

2442
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,480
each year and then the rest of it it's

2443
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,400
really everything else general fund debt

2444
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,639
service fund capital projects fund

2445
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:04,800
you can see beginning in 2018 uh

2446
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,639
significant growth in that cash balance

2447
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:09,120
from 2019 to 2020

2448
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,120
really about 10 million dollars in

2449
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:12,880
special assessment prepays from the

2450
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,040
school district as well as the cares act

2451
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,679
funding of just under 5 million allowed

2452
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:20,000
or caused that increase in total cash at

2453
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,790
the end of 2020.

2454
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,000
what do we do

2455
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,400
with that cash as auditors and really as

2456
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:29,920
just finance people we like to see what

2457
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,440
do you have

2458
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:32,800
on hand

2459
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,719
but how liquid is it meaning

2460
01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:36,560
yes you have cash on hand but how does

2461
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,320
that compare to your current liabilities

2462
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,080
your accounts payable your monthly bills

2463
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,920
your salaries you pay

2464
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,239
any current maturities of long-term debt

2465
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:45,600
we always like to analyze what do you

2466
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,440
have cash on hand compared to really

2467
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:48,880
what you owe

2468
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,600
in in the next year

2469
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,320
minimum ratio really any

2470
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,719
government any any company private

2471
01:33:56,719 --> 01:33:59,440
company would be 1.0 if you have under a

2472
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,199
under 1.0 that means you don't have

2473
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,440
enough cash on hand to pay your monthly

2474
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:04,400
bills

2475
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,880
that means you may be borrowing

2476
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,639
in the short term so really you want to

2477
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,639
be above 1.0 you can see a very strong

2478
01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:12,639
liquidity liquidity ratio

2479
01:34:12,639 --> 01:34:14,800
jumped up a lot in 2020 because of those

2480
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,760
prepays prepays and cares act funding

2481
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,920
but overall very strong good liquidity

2482
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,110
ratio for the city

2483
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,880
questions before we move on

2484
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,600
to look at some of the individual funds

2485
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,440
okay general fund so we'll break these

2486
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:33,280
down into different funds again very high level

2487
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:34,719
there's a lot of information on this

2488
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:36,400
page revenues and transfers in so you

2489
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,920
look at the general fund what do you collect for revenues uh be

2490
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,159
it intergovernmental licenses and

2491
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:44,320
permits taxes there's also transfers in

2492
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,320
from other funds

2493
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,400
really most categories here are very

2494
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:49,679
similar with the exception of

2495
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:50,800
intergovernmental and those are the

2496
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,440
cares act funds about 5 million dollars

2497
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,040
very abnormal

2498
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,960
in 2020 you'll probably see that

2499
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,360
continuing on into the future

2500
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,520
and then transfers and transfers in are

2501
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:03,840
mainly from capital project funds for

2502
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:05,760
administrative and engineering fees

2503
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,360
that'll fluctuate just kind of depending

2504
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,040
on the projects in place

2505
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,840
but otherwise good strong revenue growth

2506
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:16,790
in the general fund

2507
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:18,800
looking at the expenditures so as you

2508
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,320
collect those revenues then what do you

2509
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,840
spend those dollars on in the general

2510
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,440
fund

2511
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:26,560
expenditures also very much

2512
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,560
similar or steady growth

2513
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,000
uh with the exception of transfers out

2514
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,480
are going to happen from time to time uh

2515
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:36,320
depending on different situations in the

2516
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,040
in in 2020 those cares act funds

2517
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,360
were receded into the general fund and

2518
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,679
then transferred out to be to be really

2519
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:45,760
segregated out and accounted for

2520
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,679
separately and tracked separately uh

2521
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:49,760
which is a good move on the city's part

2522
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,679
and we recommend that to all governments

2523
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:53,199
so there's a significant transfer out

2524
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:53,920
there

2525
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,400
in 2020 otherwise just really slow

2526
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,760
steady growth

2527
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,119
uh in the in the budget and the

2528
01:35:59,119 --> 01:36:05,510
expenditures of the general fund

2529
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,679
so the big question on the general fund

2530
01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:09,040
what do we have for fund balance what do

2531
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,440
we have for reserves

2532
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:13,679
yes those are some big cash dollars yes

2533
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:15,280
we've got a lot of revenue coming in we

2534
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,199
spend a lot of dollars in the end what

2535
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,199
do we have for fund balance

2536
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,119
going forward fund balance is really

2537
01:36:21,119 --> 01:36:23,199
your reserves going forward

2538
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:24,639
you do want to have a positive fund

2539
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:26,960
balance for these three three reasons

2540
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,480
there's several different categories of

2541
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,320
fund balance thankfully the city only

2542
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:31,600
has two of them

2543
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,360
one on each end the non-spendable which

2544
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,600
is very small if you have any inventory

2545
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,600
on hand any prepaid items

2546
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,080
really the far right bucket unassigned

2547
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:41,679
that's your true reserves your true

2548
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:43,440
rainy day fund and we're going to

2549
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:45,360
analyze that unassigned

2550
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,080
on the next page

2551
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,000
the next few pages

2552
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,239
total fund balances in the general fund

2553
01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,000
so as you've progressed over the last 10

2554
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,440
years

2555
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:58,639
you know real steady incremental growth

2556
01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:02,400
from 2011 to 2015 probably slowed down a

2557
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,280
little bit on the ending reserves still

2558
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,440
grew still grew a little bit

2559
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:10,000
but slowed down definitely from 19 to 20

2560
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,760
actually a little bit of a reduction in

2561
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,920
your fund balance in the general fund

2562
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,800
mainly 2020 of course an abnormal year

2563
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,239
when it comes to what began in the

2564
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:20,320
spring but a reduction of state aid

2565
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,480
highway taxes and other revenues impacted by the pandemic really

2566
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:25,920
just allowed that fund balance to

2567
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,080
maintain its its level a slight

2568
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,520
reduction from 2019 but very very level

2569
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,719
all of these are numbers big big numbers

2570
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:36,320
as the city's grown the numbers have

2571
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,400
gotten larger what we always like to do

2572
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,639
is we like to turn that fund balance

2573
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:42,800
into a what is that as a percentage of

2574
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,880
your budget essentially

2575
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,480
what you have for expenditures in your

2576
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:48,320
general fund what is the fund balance or

2577
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:52,159
what is your reserves compared to that

2578
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:54,560
so you can see on this page

2579
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,040
that grew for the first five years

2580
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,280
peaking in 2015 at just under 200

2581
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:00,239
percent

2582
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:02,000
essentially almost two years worth of

2583
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,920
reserves

2584
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,040
in your fund balance you could have

2585
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,520
operated your fund or your general fund

2586
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,360
essentially without taking in any

2587
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,960
revenue for about two years that was

2588
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,800
back in 2015.

2589
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,000
that has slowly decreased 2020 decreased

2590
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,480
down to 136 percent still very very

2591
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:20,000
strong reserves

2592
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,920
but you can see essentially what this

2593
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,000
means is your expenditures have have

2594
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,159
grown as as they've grown your fund

2595
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,239
balance has not grown at the same same

2596
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:30,560
level the same pace which is okay

2597
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,239
there's nothing wrong with that it just

2598
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:34,560
means that as it's grown your reserves

2599
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,320
as a percentage of your total budget

2600
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,000
have decreased a little bit but overall

2601
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:39,760
still a very strong fund balance very

2602
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,119
strong reserves

2603
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:42,560
i'll pause there before we move into

2604
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:44,400
some other funds see if there's any

2605
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,030
questions

2606
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,159
okay

2607
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:50,560
sales tax fund sales tax fund collects

2608
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,119
revenues in 2015 a new sales tax was

2609
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:55,679
enacted that's why it jumped up so much

2610
01:38:55,679 --> 01:38:58,960
good slow steady growth even in 2020

2611
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,600
i can tell you halfway through 2020

2612
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,280
when we had some check-in calls with the

2613
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:04,719
city

2614
01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:06,239
it was kind of like how are the sales

2615
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,320
taxes going i don't know i don't know

2616
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,600
how they're going to end up actually end

2617
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,360
up about a nine percent increase in

2618
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,760
sales tax collections in 2020. those

2619
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:15,840
revenues are collected uh and then for

2620
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,920
the most part they're collected

2621
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,760
and utilized to transfer out for use in

2622
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,119
capital projects and economic

2623
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,360
development so in general you collect

2624
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,520
them in and you transfer them out at the

2625
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:26,719
end of the year at the end of the year

2626
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:27,920
what do you have for fund balance or

2627
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,840
reserves in that sales tax fund it's

2628
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,600
pretty pretty evident here uh in the

2629
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,360
last three years you've targeted roughly

2630
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:34,639
four million dollars is what you want to

2631
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:36,400
maintain in there and the rest is

2632
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,400
transferred out to support capital

2633
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:44,950
projects and economic development

2634
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:49,189
capital projects fund

2635
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,600
we don't don't focus so much on on

2636
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,440
revenues or transfers in those are

2637
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:55,600
mainly transfers in that fund the

2638
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,119
capital projects

2639
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:59,199
focus more on expenditures of course

2640
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:00,480
depending on the different projects

2641
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:02,880
going on this will fluctuate up and down

2642
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,119
these are really all non-utility

2643
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,280
projects utility projects are accounted

2644
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,800
for separately we can see in 2020 just

2645
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:12,960
under 50 million in expenditures in that

2646
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,229
capital outlay fund

2647
01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:17,520
at the end of the year what is the fund

2648
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,040
balance

2649
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,520
you can see negative for the first uh

2650
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:22,800
seven years

2651
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,960
positive in 2018 and 2019 and then a

2652
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,119
slight negative in 2020. you know it's

2653
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:28,480
really just the way that that fund

2654
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:30,239
operates essentially

2655
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:31,840
pays for

2656
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,320
the cash or i guess

2657
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,800
pays for projects up front and

2658
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:38,400
essentially gets reimbursed once the

2659
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,199
projects are done by by finance or bond

2660
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:43,040
proceeds so typically you're going to

2661
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:44,960
have a negative fund balance there

2662
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,360
really changed in 2018 and 2019 because

2663
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,040
of the cheyenne street project that was

2664
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:50,960
just so large scale that that kind of

2665
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,800
modified the way that the the the

2666
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,840
financing was done uh 2020 kind of

2667
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,480
revert it back to the more typical

2668
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:00,800
way to finance projects pay for cash get

2669
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:02,320
reimbursed later

2670
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:03,920
this is all managed very very well no

2671
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:05,600
concerns here that this would be

2672
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,790
negative

2673
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,040
water and sewer fund

2674
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,560
and the water is still fun a lot of

2675
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,560
information here too uh the main thing

2676
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:16,560
to point out is that yellow line that

2677
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,400
very bottom line that's depreciation

2678
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:22,080
expense is a non-cash

2679
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:23,520
expense

2680
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,400
we point that out only because if you

2681
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,119
look at the actual results of this fund

2682
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:31,040
it shows as a net loss but that's

2683
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,719
because of the depreciation

2684
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:34,639
if we back off the depreciation that's

2685
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:36,880
really the top three lines operating

2686
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:38,880
revenues which there was a rate increase

2687
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,360
on july 1st of 2020

2688
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,840
causing that 2020 revenues to go up

2689
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,320
expenses excluding depreciation so

2690
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,800
really more of your true cash outlay and

2691
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:50,159
then the red line there is is

2692
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:52,960
essentially your net income or net loss

2693
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,960
excluding depreciation

2694
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:56,400
you really want to be at a minimum of

2695
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,000
breakeven you usually want to generate a

2696
01:41:58,000 --> 01:41:59,679
little bit of profit here and that's

2697
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:01,199
really what it's been doing once you

2698
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:03,360
exclude those non-cash depreciation

2699
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:04,239
items

2700
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:05,920
depreciation continues to grow there's

2701
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:07,280
been a ton of investment in

2702
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,280
infrastructure in the water and sewer

2703
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,800
funds that means increased depreciation

2704
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,560
we monitor all of that but i would say

2705
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,320
that red line is the most important

2706
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,239
really from a cash flow standpoint

2707
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:20,560
you're generating positive cash flow as

2708
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,880
positive income

2709
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:24,880
questions on that that can be

2710
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:28,950
a little bit confusing

2711
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:31,280
uh net position here net position in the

2712
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,400
water sewer fund uh 97 of it

2713
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,639
is infrastructure so in the general fund

2714
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:38,000
when you look at kind of the reserves

2715
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:41,520
there that's more cash and liquid assets

2716
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,440
not the case here uh

2717
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:45,760
just under 350 million in net position

2718
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:46,960
or reserves

2719
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,800
almost all of it is infrastructure

2720
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:49,840
investment

2721
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:51,840
really shows you the growth

2722
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,840
in the water and sewer fund for sure but

2723
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,719
city-wide a lot of investments in

2724
01:42:56,719 --> 01:42:59,590
infrastructure

2725
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,520
more important that we monitor would be

2726
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,199
the year-end cash what do you have for

2727
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:04,719
cash in that fund

2728
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:07,199
uh very very strong growth beginning in

2729
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:09,600
2015 and then it's been much more steady

2730
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,600
but at the end of the year just over 12

2731
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,199
million dollars in cash in that water

2732
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:17,669
and sewer fund

2733
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:22,790
last one the garbage fund

2734
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,040
revenues in blue expenses in green and

2735
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,840
then operating income or loss

2736
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,239
the garbage fund typically right around

2737
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:32,000
that break even sometimes it loses a

2738
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,920
little bit of money sometimes it gains a

2739
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,440
little bit of money the last two years

2740
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:37,840
2019 and 2020

2741
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,159
generating positive operating income

2742
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:42,239
but overall pretty steady

2743
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:44,000
right at or above that break-even line

2744
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,800
which is what we like to see

2745
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,880
net position there about 50 percent of

2746
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,320
that is infrastructure in the garbage

2747
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:53,840
fund otherwise more liquid

2748
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:55,920
pretty steady through 2018 some growth

2749
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,000
in the last couple years

2750
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,320
and then year-end cash has grown

2751
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:01,840
significantly in the last couple years

2752
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,000
at least compared comparatively

2753
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,000
at the end of 2020 just over three

2754
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,600
million dollars

2755
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:11,040
in cash in the garbage fund

2756
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,159
okay

2757
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:13,760
i flew through it

2758
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,760
hopefully giving you though a good high

2759
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,360
level overview

2760
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:19,280
of the financial results for 2020

2761
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,440
compare those to historical

2762
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:23,679
and i'll just ask for a final time for

2763
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:27,040
any other questions that you might have

2764
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,119
gentlemen

2765
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:31,280
questions for a minute commission

2766
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,199
question for you on your depreciation

2767
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:34,400
schedule

2768
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,199
does infrastructure it did you actually

2769
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,040
do a depreciation

2770
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,199
schedule on the infrastructure

2771
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:42,880
in addition to the you know physical

2772
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,800
assets that you have in that department

2773
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:45,679
yes

2774
01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:48,239
what is the rate on the uh depreciation

2775
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:52,000
schedule for the infrastructure is usually on between a

2776
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:56,629
35 to 50-year life

2777
01:44:56,639 --> 01:44:58,960
30-year to 50-year jim can you tell us

2778
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,199
what we do

2779
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:04,719
yes we uh we depreciate uh at 50 we use

2780
01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:06,080
a 50-year life for most of our

2781
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,560
infrastructure which i think is pretty

2782
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,480
uh similar to what actual life we're

2783
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:11,760
experiencing

2784
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,119
thank you kindly

2785
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:14,840
thank you good

2786
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:19,189
question anyone else

2787
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:27,510
mr stavinger thank you thank you so much

2788
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,600
mr larson is this an actionable item

2789
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,199
that you want us to approve the audit

2790
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:32,880
report i would assume

2791
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:33,760
um

2792
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,360
yes if you would uh be willing to make a

2793
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,119
motion to approve and receive it as

2794
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:38,239
presented

2795
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:42,480
appreciate it so moved commissioner simmons moved is there a

2796
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:44,400
second please second commissioner gerda

2797
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,400
big second and moved in second to

2798
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:47,440
approve

2799
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:49,679
uh the west fargo 2020 financial

2800
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:52,159
statement and ottoman audit as presented

2801
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:55,199
by id bailey and mr larson finance

2802
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,199
director for the city of west fargo is

2803
01:45:57,199 --> 01:46:00,159
there any discussion

2804
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:05,520
all those in favor signify by saying aye i'm opposed

2805
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,400
motion carried thank you again

2806
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,239
item number six is the red river

2807
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:12,960
regional dispatch center consideration

2808
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:14,639
this is an update from

2809
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:16,480
dennis otterness chief of police city of

2810
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:19,360
west fargo chief welcome this evening

2811
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,280
thank you commission president dardis

2812
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,679
and members of the commission

2813
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:25,450
uh very brief tonight

2814
01:46:25,450 --> 01:46:26,719
[Music]

2815
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:28,000
i've got an action item for you to

2816
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,159
consider related to the red river

2817
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,239
regional dispatch center

2818
01:46:32,239 --> 01:46:35,360
to appoint cass county as a fiscal agent

2819
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,920
and recommend sch as our architectural

2820
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,239
design contractor

2821
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:42,000
the city west fargo is a participating

2822
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,000
agency and holds a seat on the board of

2823
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,159
authority of the red river regional

2824
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:47,520
dispatch center

2825
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,480
also known as a triple rdc

2826
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:52,320
the triple rdc serves to combine public

2827
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,000
safety communications and dispatch

2828
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,080
services in a jointly operated dispatch

2829
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:57,119
center

2830
01:46:57,119 --> 01:47:00,400
and we've been participating since 2008

2831
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:02,400
that triple rdc was originally formed in

2832
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,480
2001.

2833
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:06,639
population served by the triple rdc

2834
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:08,000
since its inception has grown

2835
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,679
exponentially

2836
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:11,280
and recently in ad hoc committee the

2837
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,719
triple rdc has been working on

2838
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:14,639
addressing site and space needs for the

2839
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,880
past three years

2840
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:18,639
discussions have been held with the city

2841
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:20,560
county administrators

2842
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,159
elected officials in the past year to

2843
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:23,760
determine the most appropriate path

2844
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,040
forward

2845
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,239
the committee has found there to be a

2846
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:28,239
strong support from all entities to move

2847
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:29,920
forward with building a new dispatch

2848
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:30,880
center

2849
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:32,719
to serve our communities for the next 50

2850
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:34,320
years

2851
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:35,679
cass county government has agreed to

2852
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:38,880
serve as the fiscal agent on the project

2853
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:40,639
representatives from the cities of west

2854
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:43,520
fargo fargo moorhead cass and clay

2855
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:44,560
counties

2856
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,320
have recently conducted interviews of

2857
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,159
architectural firms to assist in site

2858
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:49,280
selection

2859
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,600
and conceptual designs for a new center

2860
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,040
and we are providing this firm for your

2861
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,239
consideration of support tonight

2862
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:57,840
the recommendation is that the city of

2863
01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,440
west fargo agree to participate in

2864
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:01,840
selection of a location and building a

2865
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:04,400
renovation of an existing building to

2866
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:06,960
house her triple rdc and support cass

2867
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,480
county government serving as a fiscal

2868
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:10,400
agent for the project

2869
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,080
the city of west fargo agrees to support

2870
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,440
the recommendation

2871
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,119
of the joint selection committee for

2872
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:16,239
short

2873
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:19,040
eliot and hendrickson sch

2874
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:20,719
architectural firm for the selection and

2875
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:24,000
design of a new triple rdc

2876
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,440
and i'll stand for any questions if you

2877
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:26,639
have them

2878
01:48:26,639 --> 01:48:28,480
thank you chief question

2879
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:30,639
mandy's got a person andy please

2880
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:32,400
um i was just wondering

2881
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:33,760
what kind of financial obligation we

2882
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:37,109
have for this as a city

2883
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:39,600
uh i guess i'd have to probably defer to

2884
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,199
the city administrator on that there's a

2885
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:42,480
formula

2886
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:44,639
that we pay into i don't have those

2887
01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:47,280
numbers with me tonight exactly what

2888
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:48,800
that formula is

2889
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,840
but it's based on population and so we

2890
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,080
serve it serves as you know the triple

2891
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,560
rdc entities both on the north dakota

2892
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,159
and minnesota side

2893
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:00,400
so we all collectively on the north

2894
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,719
dakota side pay into cass county all the

2895
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,560
entities fargo police department west

2896
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,040
fargo police fire fargo fire and then

2897
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,960
cass county serves as our fiscal agent

2898
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,360
into that triple rdc to fund that every

2899
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:13,360
year but i don't have the specific

2900
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:16,470
formula with me tonight

2901
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:19,119
city administrator fisk yes in relation

2902
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:21,520
to that the formula is going to be

2903
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,440
altered based on our

2904
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:26,000
census numbers and so when we have that

2905
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:27,840
information i will bring that forward to

2906
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,119
the commission

2907
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:31,199
thank you thank you as chief has

2908
01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:33,040
indicated the uh

2909
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,639
it's going to be based one of two ways

2910
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:37,599
either on population or the number of

2911
01:49:37,599 --> 01:49:39,920
calls coming into the dispatch center

2912
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:41,280
because there is a little bit of

2913
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,679
difference in the in the ratio of

2914
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:46,159
population to the calls

2915
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:49,119
it's interesting data to study and so uh

2916
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:51,760
that's still to be uh determined

2917
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:53,199
uh there's

2918
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:55,679
we're also working with a third

2919
01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:56,719
entity

2920
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,960
that might also join the red river

2921
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,760
valley dispatch center

2922
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:03,760
one of the local hospitals and their

2923
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,159
dispatching of their ambulance service

2924
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:07,920
so there's there's lots of things in

2925
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:09,440
discussion here

2926
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:12,000
we already participate

2927
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,920
at the at the level that we do and

2928
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,040
there's no

2929
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:17,679
additional financial obligation being

2930
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:19,119
asked this evening

2931
01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:21,920
we have hired an architect

2932
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,040
and

2933
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,280
chief otterness and myself were both

2934
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:30,480
part of that review committee that's uh for the city of west fargo so it's

2935
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:33,119
there's there's no obligations now

2936
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:35,119
but uh there's a lot of discussion going

2937
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:36,719
on commissioner olson

2938
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:39,280
just for clarification chief um under

2939
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:40,639
the recommendation that says we're going

2940
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:42,400
to participate in the selection of a

2941
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,080
location and building

2942
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,639
and there's a slash renovating of an

2943
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:48,960
existing building so are we looking at

2944
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:49,840
doing

2945
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,599
both building a brand new one plus

2946
01:50:51,599 --> 01:50:54,000
renovating the existing one no we're uh

2947
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,280
thank you commissioner for the

2948
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,280
clarification so there's a site

2949
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:59,760
committee that's put together uh that uh

2950
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:02,000
is formed uh from several members from

2951
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:03,360
the board of authority

2952
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,679
that are looking at not only a potential

2953
01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:09,280
build sites but also existing sites that

2954
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,599
might be suitable for renovation

2955
01:51:11,599 --> 01:51:13,840
uh the difficult part with uh with a

2956
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:15,440
dispatch center like this is their

2957
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:16,960
specifications

2958
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,040
uh that it has to be met to weather

2959
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:20,560
certain

2960
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:21,679
you know

2961
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:23,599
weather events like tornadoes hardening

2962
01:51:23,599 --> 01:51:25,520
of the building and such so there hasn't

2963
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:26,719
been a final

2964
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:28,880
site selected yet so we will continue to

2965
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:30,400
participate in that

2966
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:31,760
i will as a member of the board of

2967
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:32,800
authority

2968
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:34,880
but that decision has not been made yet

2969
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,440
where that site will be the existing

2970
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:39,119
dispatch center is not a hardened

2971
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:40,480
building

2972
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:43,199
the red river dispatch center

2973
01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:46,239
group the consortium owns the building

2974
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:47,760
that will be sold

2975
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,440
but they're looking at other potential

2976
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:52,639
buildings it has to meet a class five

2977
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:55,280
that's which is virtually tornado proof

2978
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,119
for a dispatch center because of the

2979
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:59,360
importance of emergency services they

2980
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,040
can't go down

2981
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,639
the the company that they've selected uh

2982
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:07,199
that the chief has in this report

2983
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:09,199
has built over 400 of them across

2984
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:11,920
america many of them in florida uh that

2985
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,000
are hurricane proof and so they're very

2986
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,520
familiar with

2987
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,440
hardening of buildings and weather

2988
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:19,199
events although you know a little bit

2989
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:20,320
different here

2990
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:22,560
commissioner simmons who sits on this

2991
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,159
committee chief

2992
01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:26,080
uh commissioner simmons which on the

2993
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,480
board of authority yeah or on the on the

2994
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:30,400
site selection committee well either one

2995
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:31,760
who sits on it for the city of west

2996
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,080
fargo i do for the on the board of

2997
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,320
authority and how about on the committee

2998
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:38,400
well there's several committees uh the

2999
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,119
site selection committee is made up of

3000
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:42,400
several members from the board of

3001
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:45,440
authority there's personnel committees

3002
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:47,760
that we have a representative on

3003
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:49,679
i serve as the chair of the personnel

3004
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:50,719
committee

3005
01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:52,400
we have a presence on the finance

3006
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,320
committee there's an operations

3007
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:55,920
committee that are all subcommittees

3008
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:57,360
that make recommendations up to the

3009
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,199
board of authority and then we bring

3010
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:01,520
those uh to our i guess where i'm going

3011
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,440
with this is i find it somewhat

3012
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:06,159
insulting that as police commissioner

3013
01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:08,960
i haven't been involved in any of this

3014
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:10,719
to me that's a little bit when we came

3015
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:14,320
out in 2008 i was a major player in that

3016
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:15,920
and and i was actually

3017
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:17,520
the police commissioner back then i was

3018
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,440
part of involved with with uh chief

3019
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:20,719
rasmussen

3020
01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:22,639
getting involved in actually pushing us

3021
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:24,719
with the former mayor and quite honestly

3022
01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:26,800
i other than one conversation i don't

3023
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:28,320
know anything about this i don't know if

3024
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,320
you other commissioners do but i think

3025
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:31,599
it's a little insulting to me as a

3026
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:33,199
police commissioner there's been no

3027
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:35,679
decisions made i realize that you guys

3028
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:37,119
have been having

3029
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,960
let's not i'm just let me speak my piece

3030
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,320
and that's all i'm saying as police

3031
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,000
commissioner as a street commissioner or

3032
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,440
whatever commissioners

3033
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:45,440
we are i think that is part of our

3034
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,040
portfolio that we should be involved a

3035
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,040
little bit more in this step

3036
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,040
that's just my opinion

3037
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,119
just for clarifications to commissioner

3038
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:55,280
this is we are at the very infant stage

3039
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:56,719
of this where the site selection

3040
01:53:56,719 --> 01:53:59,679
committee has just been um

3041
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:01,280
made up out of our members of the board

3042
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:02,639
of authority

3043
01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:05,280
and so the the architectural firm

3044
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,040
selection and the review of those

3045
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,679
different proposals

3046
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:11,520
the mayor and i both sat through those

3047
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,599
just to

3048
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:15,679
i guess finalize who we're going to use

3049
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:18,400
as an architect to now start looking at

3050
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,719
sites and design and all those kinds of

3051
01:54:20,719 --> 01:54:22,239
things so there will be a lot more

3052
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:24,320
decisions to be made moving forward

3053
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,320
we're right at the beginning of it

3054
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:27,920
again i sit on the

3055
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,239
fire department portfolio as well

3056
01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:32,080
and i was involved in every one of those

3057
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:33,520
decisions as the architect and

3058
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,679
everything else i'm just saying i i just

3059
01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:37,119
think i'm just a little offended by it

3060
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:38,719
that's all i'll live with it but i want

3061
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:43,430
you to know that

3062
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:44,960
mr shockley

3063
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,199
thank you mr commission president

3064
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:49,040
members of the commission i did want to

3065
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:50,800
note that currently

3066
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,119
uh we've been tina and i have been

3067
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:55,119
meeting with the city of fargo and some

3068
01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:56,639
of the other member entities and we're

3069
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:57,960
looking at

3070
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,639
reconstituting the board

3071
01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:05,920
and so that discussion about and it's being generated by the construction

3072
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:07,679
of this new facility

3073
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:09,520
and we have we haven't really come down

3074
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,440
to what that board will finally look

3075
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:12,320
like

3076
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:13,920
but the concept is that elected

3077
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,159
officials would be on that board rather

3078
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:17,280
than

3079
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,679
the police chiefs and the fire chiefs

3080
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:21,520
and so those discussions are underway

3081
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,440
right now just

3082
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:24,880
we don't have they haven't matured

3083
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:26,800
enough yet to come forward to the

3084
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:30,320
commission so we i think as a group we

3085
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,159
we've heard that concern that the

3086
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:34,080
elected officials would like to be on

3087
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:35,199
that board

3088
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:36,800
and so we're taking that back and

3089
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:38,719
looking at the amendment when the

3090
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:40,880
dispatch center was first started years

3091
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:41,840
ago

3092
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:42,719
it was

3093
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:45,040
born out of necessity because he needed

3094
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:47,119
a regional dispatch center and so

3095
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:48,880
anything born out of necessity was sort

3096
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:50,960
of being you know they were dry they

3097
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:52,239
were building the car as they were

3098
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:54,159
driving it and now we have an

3099
01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:56,960
opportunity to

3100
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,480
look back and say

3101
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:00,000
we need to make these changes how the

3102
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,760
board operates in the subcommittees and

3103
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:03,840
so we've been having some initial

3104
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,440
meetings about what that board structure

3105
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:07,760
should look like but i think it's safe

3106
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:11,040
to say the general comment is that

3107
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:11,840
the

3108
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,679
governing board of that authority will

3109
01:56:13,679 --> 01:56:16,320
have elected officials from each of the

3110
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:18,239
member entities on it

3111
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:20,159
i think it absolutely has to if we're

3112
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:21,679
spending taxpayer dollars you have to

3113
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:27,189
have the elected officials on that part

3114
01:56:27,199 --> 01:56:29,840
president dardis i have another comment

3115
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:30,639
um

3116
01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:32,800
commissioner simmons and the rest of the

3117
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:33,840
commission

3118
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:34,719
um

3119
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:36,480
we were taking the directive through the

3120
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:38,800
county the county took the lead and they

3121
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:40,320
requested that

3122
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:41,440
um

3123
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:44,880
each city have the city administrator

3124
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:48,000
the president of their commission

3125
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,800
and either a police or fire chief

3126
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,639
for this initial part

3127
01:56:52,639 --> 01:56:55,199
and so that was their request and so

3128
01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:58,000
that's how those got chosen it wasn't it

3129
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:01,760
wasn't anybody picking if um i if you

3130
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:04,880
want to point place place blame i should

3131
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:06,239
have kept you more informed and i did

3132
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:09,679
not but this was a decision originally

3133
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:11,679
and the county administrator told me

3134
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:13,599
himself he goes i'm kind of going blind

3135
01:57:13,599 --> 01:57:15,840
i don't know he said this is all new to

3136
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:17,920
him as well so he's he's learning just

3137
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:19,280
like we are

3138
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:21,599
but um it was a directive from the

3139
01:57:21,599 --> 01:57:23,599
county level and that's how the

3140
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:29,830
participants were chosen

3141
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:34,390
any additional questions for the chief

3142
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,480
this is an actionable item cass county

3143
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:37,599
government

3144
01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:40,239
has agreed to serve as a fiscal agent

3145
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:43,599
and we as one of the entity members of

3146
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:44,400
that

3147
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:46,080
we have to

3148
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:48,400
it's it's going to be in the

3149
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:52,560
clay county cass county moorhead fargo

3150
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,880
and west fargo all at once

3151
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,320
everybody that's having a meeting this

3152
01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:00,550
evening is voting on this same item

3153
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,080
i will make a motion to approve thank

3154
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,360
you commissioner gerda big is there a

3155
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:04,960
second please second

3156
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:06,639
commissioner george ii has been moved

3157
01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:08,480
and seconded to approve

3158
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:09,280
the

3159
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:11,360
red river regional dispatch center

3160
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:13,760
consideration as presented by chief

3161
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:15,599
utterness this evening is there any

3162
01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:20,070
further discussion

3163
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,360
hearing now and all those in favor

3164
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:24,159
signify by saying aye aye aye

3165
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:25,599
opposed

3166
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:28,629
motion carried

3167
01:58:28,639 --> 01:58:30,719
item number seven is the first reading

3168
01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:32,639
ordinance 1195

3169
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:35,360
legislative amendments mr shockley thank

3170
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,920
you mr commission president

3171
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,920
before you you have

3172
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:42,480
ordinance number 1195

3173
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:44,560
as the commission may be aware

3174
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:46,719
every two years the legislature meets

3175
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:48,880
and has a new set of laws that become

3176
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:51,360
effective on august 1st

3177
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:54,159
and this ordinance is really to

3178
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:55,280
bring our

3179
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,760
most of our criminal

3180
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:59,520
ordinances up to

3181
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,840
the same level as what's in the state

3182
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:03,679
and so we're just conforming the two

3183
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:04,639
together

3184
01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:05,760
and

3185
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,679
i won't go through each change because

3186
01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:09,840
some of them are very minor

3187
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,800
but in the big changes reflecting the

3188
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,199
change in federal legislation and state

3189
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:18,159
legislation regarding tobacco sales

3190
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:20,639
the t21 legislation that came through

3191
01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:22,719
last year at the federal level

3192
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:25,280
made tobacco sales illegal to anybody

3193
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:27,520
under the age of 21.

3194
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:29,440
that's a change

3195
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:30,480
you'll see that going through the

3196
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:31,520
ordinance

3197
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,239
we modified shoplifting to match the new

3198
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:35,679
definition

3199
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:37,599
that is in state law

3200
01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:39,840
you'll see references to electric

3201
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:44,719
bicycles in there and then also uh

3202
01:59:44,719 --> 01:59:46,639
possession of a firearm at a public

3203
01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:48,400
gathering to bring that in conformance

3204
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,159
with state law

3205
01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:53,280
and then some other

3206
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:55,599
what i would call just conforming

3207
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,360
ordinances i can certainly

3208
01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:58,800
answer any questions that you might have

3209
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,560
but this is just to conform our

3210
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:02,400
ordinances with state law

3211
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:04,480
thank you mr shockley questions for mr

3212
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:12,790
shockley from the commission

3213
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:14,320
i moved to approve thank you

3214
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,080
commissioner george we are approving the

3215
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,159
first reading of the ordinance 1195 the

3216
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:20,639
legislative amendments mr george's moved

3217
02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:22,880
is there a second second commissioner

3218
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:24,880
olson has seconded been moved and

3219
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:26,400
seconded to her first reading ordinance

3220
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,119
at 1195 legislative amendments as

3221
02:00:29,119 --> 02:00:31,040
presented by mr shockley our city

3222
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:37,109
attorney is there any further discussion

3223
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:38,719
hearing on all those in favor please

3224
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:41,760
signify by saying aye

3225
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:44,159
opposed

3226
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:46,960
motion carried item number eight is the

3227
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:50,000
second reading of ordinance 1192

3228
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:52,480
hours of operation for liquor sales mr

3229
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:54,639
shockley city attorney city of west

3230
02:00:54,639 --> 02:00:55,679
fargo

3231
02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:58,159
thank you mr commission president

3232
02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:00,159
this is a second reading of the

3233
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:02,320
ordinance changing the hours of sunday

3234
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:03,679
sale for

3235
02:01:03,679 --> 02:01:05,040
alcohol

3236
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,280
no changes have been made between the

3237
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,159
first and second reading

3238
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:12,480
as a city you're not required to adopt

3239
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:14,159
this but a lot of the license

3240
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:16,239
establishments had requested the

3241
02:01:16,239 --> 02:01:18,880
additional hours of operation and so

3242
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:20,800
staff brought it forward

3243
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:22,480
based upon the request of the businesses

3244
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:25,199
to have extended hours

3245
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:27,360
thank you mr shockley questions for mr

3246
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:32,149
shockley

3247
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:34,000
it's your pleasure commissioners well we

3248
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:35,360
approve the second reading commissioner

3249
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:36,880
olson moves to approve the second

3250
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:39,040
reading of ordinance 1192 the hours of

3251
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:41,199
operation for liquor sales is there a

3252
02:01:41,199 --> 02:01:43,280
second place second commissioner simmons

3253
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:46,239
seconds been moved and seconded

3254
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:50,790
is there any further discussion

3255
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:52,480
all those in favor please signify by

3256
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:54,560
saying aye

3257
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:55,920
opposed

3258
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,239
motion carried item number nine it's

3259
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:00,000
public hearings to confirm an approved

3260
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,639
special assessment list for the follow

3261
02:02:02,639 --> 02:02:05,199
improvement districts as presented by mr

3262
02:02:05,199 --> 02:02:10,239
shockley 1321 wild's 11th edition 1322

3263
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:14,080
eaglewood 7th edition 1323 brooks harbor

3264
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:16,719
9th edition 1325

3265
02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:20,159
oak ridge 9th 1329

3266
02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:24,480
oak ridge eagle run 9 2254 eagle ridge

3267
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:27,360
plaza 6th 4063

3268
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:29,760
wild storm sewer lift station mr

3269
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,320
shockley thank you mr commission uh

3270
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,239
president and members of the western

3271
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:36,560
commission uh tonight you have before

3272
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,920
you the appeal hearing for any party

3273
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,679
that wishes to appeal

3274
02:02:41,679 --> 02:02:43,280
the proposed assessments in the

3275
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:46,159
districts that you had just listed out

3276
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:48,320
the special assessment commission

3277
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,400
published the list

3278
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,159
held hearings

3279
02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:53,920
and then the proper procedure is if

3280
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:55,679
anybody that objected to those

3281
02:02:55,679 --> 02:02:58,159
assessments would file a written appeal

3282
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:00,159
and then the commission would hear that

3283
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:02,400
written appeal

3284
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,960
these districts we only had my

3285
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:06,880
recollection was one person

3286
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:08,639
show up and they didn't necessarily have

3287
02:03:08,639 --> 02:03:10,159
an objection

3288
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:11,840
they had a lot of questions about the

3289
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,800
nature of the improvements

3290
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:16,960
who owned the pond what the pipe looked

3291
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:18,159
like those

3292
02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:19,920
i mean they were really good questions

3293
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,719
they just weren't really objections

3294
02:03:22,719 --> 02:03:25,360
her questions were satisfied and

3295
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,119
the special assessment commission voted

3296
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:28,800
unanimously to

3297
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,360
approve the assessments as proposed and

3298
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:34,159
move them forward

3299
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:36,080
as of today's date we have not received

3300
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:37,920
any written appeals for any of these

3301
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,520
districts

3302
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:40,320
and

3303
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,760
the work has been completed in the

3304
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:44,480
district you've already bonded for the

3305
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:46,639
districts you've already spent the money

3306
02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:48,719
and so this is the final step in the

3307
02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:50,320
process where

3308
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:51,840
you would just be confirming the

3309
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:53,840
activities of

3310
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:55,920
the special assessment commission in

3311
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,159
levying the special assessments

3312
02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:00,639
also just for public information

3313
02:04:00,639 --> 02:04:01,440
and

3314
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,000
the staff has done a fantastic job of

3315
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,000
notifying everybody but

3316
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:07,760
tonight we are not considering district

3317
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:10,480
2250 because we're still working on some

3318
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:12,239
policy changes that we will be bringing

3319
02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:15,360
forward to the city commission

3320
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:17,119
so i can answer any questions you might

3321
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:19,520
have if there if there were somebody

3322
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:20,480
here

3323
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:22,800
that wanted to speak to it you you would

3324
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,960
have discretion as the board

3325
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:27,599
to listen to them uh you wouldn't have

3326
02:04:27,599 --> 02:04:30,159
to legally act on their

3327
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:32,800
appeal because it wasn't properly filed

3328
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,800
that's a decision for the commission i

3329
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:36,960
don't know if anybody's here though

3330
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,920
thank you mr shockley uh again the

3331
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:43,199
special assessment uh

3332
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:45,840
review of that is it's normally to be

3333
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,320
presented to mrs fisk

3334
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:51,280
in advance in writing and we've had none

3335
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:52,400
in writing so

3336
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:54,159
we figure we feel that there's no

3337
02:04:54,159 --> 02:04:56,159
appeals to any of these

3338
02:04:56,159 --> 02:04:59,599
particular uh assessment districts as

3339
02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:01,760
listed uh for you today

3340
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:03,760
so is there any more discussion or any

3341
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,560
uh questions please commissioner olson

3342
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:08,000
do these have to be acted on

3343
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,210
individually or can one motion

3344
02:05:10,210 --> 02:05:11,920
[Music]

3345
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,639
act on all of them that are listed here

3346
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:16,719
you as the commission you could act on

3347
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:19,520
all of them since there is no appeals

3348
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:21,199
there's just there's no objections

3349
02:05:21,199 --> 02:05:23,520
there's no particulars to hear you could

3350
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:25,360
make one motion to approve all the

3351
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:27,040
districts and

3352
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:28,719
confirm them because there's just

3353
02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:32,390
there's no written appeals

3354
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:36,310
additional questions of mr shockley

3355
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:37,920
i'll make a motion to prove them all at

3356
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:40,639
one time thank you commissioner simmons

3357
02:05:40,639 --> 02:05:42,719
been moved and seconded to approve

3358
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:45,360
uh the special way second year oh i'm

3359
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:47,199
sorry i'll second though commissioner

3360
02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:51,910
olson

3361
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:53,199
everybody keeps telling me what time

3362
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:54,639
they want to be home tonight so i'm

3363
02:05:54,639 --> 02:05:56,159
trying to hurry this along no you're

3364
02:05:56,159 --> 02:05:59,589
right

3365
02:05:59,599 --> 02:06:02,800
emily started at seven o'clock

3366
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:04,639
so thank you commissioner olson it's

3367
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:07,440
been moved and seconded to confirm the

3368
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:10,000
improved special assessment list as the

3369
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:16,880
following 1321 1322 1323 1325 1329 2254

3370
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:18,800
and 4063.

3371
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:21,760
is there any further discussion

3372
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:24,639
does there need to be a public hearing

3373
02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:27,440
it just says that in the title

3374
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:29,760
technically it's it's a hearing it's not

3375
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,239
a public hearing you would have to you

3376
02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:34,079
would have to have filed your written

3377
02:06:34,079 --> 02:06:37,840
appeal okay i was just making sure

3378
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:40,000
okay very good

3379
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:41,520
mr george

3380
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,599
so everybody here knows how i feel about

3381
02:06:43,599 --> 02:06:45,840
special assessments and i don't care for

3382
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,000
any of them looking at this list tonight

3383
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:49,360
i looked at each of them pretty

3384
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:50,560
carefully

3385
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,000
i really don't

3386
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,599
like how a couple of them are laid out

3387
02:06:53,599 --> 02:06:55,840
but considering there are no appeals

3388
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:58,560
there's no objections no you know they

3389
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,239
do have to be paid for the work is done

3390
02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:03,360
that's how i'm basing my vote tonight

3391
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:06,079
thank you commissioner george

3392
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:07,280
any additional comments from the

3393
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:08,960
commission we do have a motion in a

3394
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:13,669
second

3395
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:17,040
all those in favor signify by saying aye

3396
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:19,280
opposed

3397
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:21,679
motion carried thank you commissioners

3398
02:07:21,679 --> 02:07:23,280
item number 10 is an improvement

3399
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:26,000
district 1339 stockyards first edition

3400
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:28,719
mr scott city of engineer for the city

3401
02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:30,079
of west fargo

3402
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:30,880
the

3403
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,920
task at hand is to approve a task order

3404
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:39,440
number 49-1 for basic services mr scott

3405
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:41,119
well good evening thank you commission

3406
02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:42,159
president dardis and members of the

3407
02:07:42,159 --> 02:07:43,199
commission

3408
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:44,560
as directed by the city commission on

3409
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:46,719
august 16th we are working on the plans

3410
02:07:46,719 --> 02:07:48,400
and specs for the construction of

3411
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:50,159
improvements in the

3412
02:07:50,159 --> 02:07:52,079
stockyards first edition

3413
02:07:52,079 --> 02:07:53,679
before you tonight is just a task order

3414
02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:55,760
for the basic services uh that will be

3415
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:57,920
performed by more engineering the uh

3416
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,880
value of the task order is 267

3417
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:02,719
630 dollars

3418
02:08:02,719 --> 02:08:05,280
with that i will answer any questions

3419
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,199
thank you mr scott questions for mr

3420
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:14,149
scott

3421
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:15,840
i'll make a motion to approve thank you

3422
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:17,360
commissioner gerda big is there a second

3423
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:18,560
place

3424
02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:20,480
second

3425
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:21,760
commissioner simmons second it's been

3426
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:23,280
moved and seconded to

3427
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:27,760
approve uh the uh task order for 49-1

3428
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:30,000
for basic services for improvement

3429
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:32,719
district number 1339 the stockyards

3430
02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:34,159
first edition

3431
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:39,589
is there any further discussion

3432
02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:41,280
hearing none all those in favor please

3433
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:46,320
signify by saying aye my opposed

3434
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,639
motion carried

3435
02:08:48,639 --> 02:08:51,920
thank you mr scott item number 11

3436
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:54,960
2022 final budget adjustment request by

3437
02:08:54,960 --> 02:09:00,550
commission mrs fisk city administrator

3438
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,320
good evening commissioner commission

3439
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,400
president commissioners

3440
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:06,000
in your packet

3441
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:08,159
i have a list and i have some

3442
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:09,679
information

3443
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:12,400
at the july 19 commission meeting the

3444
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,400
commission directed staff to continue to

3445
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,960
seek reductions and indicate a desire to

3446
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:18,880
try and reduce one mill

3447
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:21,119
which equates to a reduction of 197

3448
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:22,880
thousand dollars to the preliminary

3449
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:23,840
budget

3450
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:25,360
after that meeting a request was

3451
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:27,679
distributed to all the department heads

3452
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:29,679
requesting that they give an additional

3453
02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:31,599
review to try and meet the commission's

3454
02:09:31,599 --> 02:09:32,960
request

3455
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:34,639
this will be the third request of

3456
02:09:34,639 --> 02:09:37,920
reviews and cuts to each department

3457
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:39,679
in order to reduce their expenses while

3458
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:41,119
continuing to provide the services

3459
02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:42,560
required to operate the city of west

3460
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:44,159
fargo

3461
02:09:44,159 --> 02:09:46,159
with a combination of staggering

3462
02:09:46,159 --> 02:09:47,920
employee hires removing employee

3463
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:50,400
training options cutting other public

3464
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:53,280
services we have been able to consider

3465
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:54,719
and bring before you

3466
02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:57,079
a reduction of 159

3467
02:09:57,079 --> 02:10:00,639
787 dollars from the proposed budget

3468
02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:02,320
the reductions come from the departments

3469
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:04,639
of administration information technology

3470
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:07,360
engineering planning police public works

3471
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:09,760
and fire all the reductions if you

3472
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:11,280
choose to approve them

3473
02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:14,480
would equal 0.81 mills

3474
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:17,599
for the general fund and fire or 3.65

3475
02:10:17,599 --> 02:10:19,040
cents per hundred thousand dollars of

3476
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:20,320
home value

3477
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:22,239
we were not given a directive to request

3478
02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:23,920
any reductions of the library so there

3479
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:26,719
are none attached for them

3480
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:29,040
on the attach sheet that you have as

3481
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:31,280
well it lists each department that has

3482
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:33,360
proposed cuts from their budget please

3483
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:35,199
note that all the items that are cut

3484
02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:37,520
will need to be reinstated to the 2023

3485
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:39,280
budget

3486
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,040
so at this time what i would like to do

3487
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,360
is go

3488
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:44,880
by department

3489
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:45,920
and

3490
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:48,079
get the consensus on from the commission

3491
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:50,320
on by department which items you would

3492
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:51,920
like to cut

3493
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:53,520
if any

3494
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:55,599
and we would start with administration

3495
02:10:55,599 --> 02:10:59,350
the cut was 2 000.

3496
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,280
um commissioner

3497
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:03,920
so um and i'm bringing something to the

3498
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:05,360
table late in the game here but it was

3499
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:07,040
actually listening to i

3500
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:08,400
bailey

3501
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:11,520
talk that kind of popped this in my mind

3502
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:12,800
so and i don't have the budget in front

3503
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:14,800
of me so i'm going to use rough ballpark

3504
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:16,880
numbers um but in the budget there's a

3505
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,119
line item for the police department for

3506
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:21,360
300 and some thousand for new squad cars

3507
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:22,960
correct

3508
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:24,400
yes

3509
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:26,159
and from my understanding in

3510
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,719
conversations that line item is there

3511
02:11:28,719 --> 02:11:30,079
because we just i mean we kind of

3512
02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:32,079
approved something mid-year this year to

3513
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:33,440
spend some money that wasn't going to be

3514
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:35,679
spent on new police cars

3515
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:36,560
but

3516
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:39,119
from my understanding at some point in

3517
02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:40,639
our history we've let ourselves get kind

3518
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:41,360
of

3519
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:42,480
behind

3520
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:43,360
in

3521
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:44,960
equipment displacement you were correct

3522
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:47,920
yes so that's sort of an out of ordinary

3523
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:49,360
position that we're in and we just have

3524
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:50,960
to get caught up

3525
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,440
correct we are caught up i do believe

3526
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:56,000
and um chief otterness can correct me if

3527
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:59,119
i'm wrong but the three police cars is a

3528
02:11:59,119 --> 02:12:01,920
normal rotation per year to keep the

3529
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:06,950
fleet up to date is that correct

3530
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:09,599
that's correct uh working with um

3531
02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:11,599
mr larson in finance what i've what i've

3532
02:12:11,599 --> 02:12:12,960
tried to do is

3533
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:14,480
identify

3534
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:16,719
through a budget request adjustment last

3535
02:12:16,719 --> 02:12:20,079
year spending some positive uh budget

3536
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:22,560
performance or some savings that we had

3537
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:24,960
to try to shore up that gap in our fleet

3538
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:26,400
but moving forward what we're trying to

3539
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:28,480
do is stabilize that so we don't have

3540
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:30,400
years where we're asking for five cars

3541
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:33,199
one year one car the next year and so to

3542
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:35,119
try to stabilize our our police

3543
02:12:35,119 --> 02:12:37,040
department fleet and our budget

3544
02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:38,800
we're looking at you know trying to get

3545
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:41,679
maybe three cars per year to to keep i'm

3546
02:12:41,679 --> 02:12:43,199
not trying to cut those three cars just

3547
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:45,440
to clarify before i'm just that's just

3548
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:47,199
the rationale behind it just try to is

3549
02:12:47,199 --> 02:12:49,040
to try to stabilize that number moving

3550
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:51,360
forward so and and maybe i'm

3551
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:52,960
misunderstanding some of the ways we can

3552
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:54,880
spend this money but we are still

3553
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:56,560
sitting on

3554
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,880
a few million dollars of covered money

3555
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:00,480
that we have taken in that we have not

3556
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:03,119
allocated to anyone

3557
02:13:03,119 --> 02:13:05,679
commissioner jarvig no we have used some

3558
02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:07,599
of those funds to reimburse covet

3559
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:10,239
expenses but also in this budget what

3560
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:11,520
was done is

3561
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:13,199
the coveted money we got from the state

3562
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:15,199
initially went into the police

3563
02:13:15,199 --> 02:13:17,760
department fund which created

3564
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:19,599
a positive balance that was then

3565
02:13:19,599 --> 02:13:21,599
transferred into a special fund to be

3566
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:23,719
used and we have actually

3567
02:13:23,719 --> 02:13:27,040
1.174 million dollars of that money

3568
02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:29,280
in this budget to keep expenses down

3569
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:30,639
that was one of the ways we were able to

3570
02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:33,199
cut that four million dollars down so we

3571
02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:34,560
are using that money so how many

3572
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:36,159
millions do we have left that hasn't

3573
02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:38,159
been allocated i believe in that fund

3574
02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:40,639
it's just over two million

3575
02:13:40,639 --> 02:13:43,679
yes and the point behind it is that

3576
02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:45,440
we we don't

3577
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:47,440
we didn't want to just use it all up at

3578
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:49,440
one time and then have something come

3579
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:51,440
along that's a very good project that

3580
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:53,599
you would like to use the funds for

3581
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:57,280
so we found one-time purchases

3582
02:13:57,280 --> 02:13:59,199
in the budget and that's how we came up

3583
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:00,199
with the

3584
02:14:00,199 --> 02:14:02,639
1.174 if it's something that

3585
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:04,960
you would purchase or pay for and not

3586
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:08,560
buy it again the next year next year that seemed the best and most

3587
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:10,239
logical way to use the money and save

3588
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:12,079
the dollars for the taxpayer and that's

3589
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:14,159
fair and i started down this path

3590
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:16,000
thinking that these

3591
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:17,760
squad cars were talking about were more

3592
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:20,079
of a one-time catch-up but i would still

3593
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:21,920
potentially argue that

3594
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:23,679
if we're already taking

3595
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:24,960
a million and a half or whatever the

3596
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:26,719
amount was out of covid but we still

3597
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:27,920
have

3598
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:29,760
millions sitting there

3599
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:32,000
you know we could accomplish

3600
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:33,119
this

3601
02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:35,040
pulling this budget back by taking

3602
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,599
another 150 or 200 000 out of that and

3603
02:14:37,599 --> 02:14:40,239
then not having to necessarily

3604
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:41,840
you know line item by line item go

3605
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:43,679
through this i mean it just seems like a

3606
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:46,400
easier solution that doesn't

3607
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:49,280
necessarily uh

3608
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:51,040
come by sacrificing some of the training

3609
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:53,599
and so forth so just a it

3610
02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:55,360
was a thought that i kind of came to

3611
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:57,040
over the course of the meetings and i

3612
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:58,719
appreciate um that's very true

3613
02:14:58,719 --> 02:15:00,639
commissioner jerry vig we could

3614
02:15:00,639 --> 02:15:03,119
take whatever out of those funds

3615
02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:04,880
just keep in mind that again any

3616
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:07,280
purchases of recurring expenses like

3617
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,280
their police cars will come back

3618
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:10,639
and we'll have to deal with them next

3619
02:15:10,639 --> 02:15:12,880
year as well so it and however you guys

3620
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:14,960
choose to do it it's it's your guys's

3621
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:16,079
call

3622
02:15:16,079 --> 02:15:17,760
commissioner simmons has a point thank

3623
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:19,599
you mayor i uh

3624
02:15:19,599 --> 02:15:21,679
i just find it absurd that we're sitting

3625
02:15:21,679 --> 02:15:23,040
here talking about taking eighty

3626
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:24,639
thousand dollars from the chief of

3627
02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:26,239
police we're talking about two thousand

3628
02:15:26,239 --> 02:15:28,480
from city administration and yet we're

3629
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:30,000
giving the library over two hundred

3630
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,320
thousand dollars an increase

3631
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:33,199
um

3632
02:15:33,199 --> 02:15:35,599
i'm we are too we're absolutely doing it

3633
02:15:35,599 --> 02:15:36,880
the hundred i know you're going here

3634
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:38,639
with the hundred thousand dollar the

3635
02:15:38,639 --> 02:15:42,159
mill but they had money in the account

3636
02:15:42,159 --> 02:15:43,760
we forced them to spend money they

3637
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:45,360
shouldn't have had that's how we got to

3638
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:47,920
that middle of you my point is this

3639
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:49,520
um i am not going to support anything

3640
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:51,599
we're taking any money from a department

3641
02:15:51,599 --> 02:15:53,840
that does a good job of saving that's

3642
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:55,199
like the government you save the money

3643
02:15:55,199 --> 02:15:56,480
as a department then all of a sudden you

3644
02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:58,480
give it back i understand that process

3645
02:15:58,480 --> 02:15:59,679
but

3646
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:01,840
these departments are doing great jobs

3647
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:03,119
the only thing i'm going to support i

3648
02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:05,760
just assume give do the increase as as

3649
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:07,119
commissioner olson had said let's just

3650
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:09,520
go with what we got originally let it go

3651
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:10,800
i'm not going to cut these departments i

3652
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:13,040
will support a budget like that

3653
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:14,960
so and and you and i can agree on the

3654
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:17,440
fact as it relates to the police because

3655
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:19,440
why i'm bringing up this alternative

3656
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:21,280
idea is we're sitting on a couple

3657
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:22,560
million dollars we haven't figured out

3658
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:24,159
how to spend but yet we're raising the

3659
02:16:24,159 --> 02:16:26,560
mill levy on our taxpayers

3660
02:16:26,560 --> 02:16:29,360
simultaneously i would rather

3661
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:31,440
use some of that money to offset that

3662
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:33,200
for the next year and we still would be

3663
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:35,599
sitting on if we can i don't know that

3664
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:37,840
we are are there restrictions on what

3665
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:39,679
that can be used for

3666
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:41,840
this particular portion of money the 2

3667
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:43,439
million this is not the federal money

3668
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:44,639
that just came through the state that

3669
02:16:44,639 --> 02:16:46,479
has a lot of restrictions this

3670
02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:48,639
particular money doesn't have a lot of

3671
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:49,840
restrictions

3672
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:53,280
um the importance of keeping in mind

3673
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,760
what we do with it is that

3674
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,920
there's we're gonna have

3675
02:16:57,920 --> 02:16:59,519
even next year there's gonna we're gonna

3676
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:00,960
have to use some of that money to keep

3677
02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:03,679
the mill levy at a decent amount so that

3678
02:17:03,679 --> 02:17:05,519
it's not a big increase

3679
02:17:05,519 --> 02:17:07,519
and so we're trying to weigh you know if

3680
02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:08,880
you look at our financial statements

3681
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,280
they showed you today our our general

3682
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:13,359
fund once it was audited has dropped a

3683
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:15,200
million dollars

3684
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,679
from 19 to 20. and if we need to

3685
02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:20,479
transfer in what we budgeted for 21 it's

3686
02:17:20,479 --> 02:17:22,000
going to drop a can

3687
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:22,800
so

3688
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:24,080
i just

3689
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:25,840
our concern myself and the finance

3690
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:26,880
director and the assistant city

3691
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:28,399
administrator was

3692
02:17:28,399 --> 02:17:30,319
we wanted to be cautious and we wanted

3693
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:32,559
to be careful we don't want to just

3694
02:17:32,559 --> 02:17:35,200
find ways to just spend that money we

3695
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:37,599
want to do it in a way that benefits the

3696
02:17:37,599 --> 02:17:40,559
taxpayer the best

3697
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:42,719
not just say well i want to get it down

3698
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:44,800
to zero mills so let's do this and then

3699
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:46,080
next year all of a sudden we're in the

3700
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:47,519
same boat that's kind of what we were

3701
02:17:47,519 --> 02:17:49,840
looking at again this is

3702
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:52,399
totally a commissioned decision on what

3703
02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:54,960
you want us to do um

3704
02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:57,200
the current budget of

3705
02:17:57,200 --> 02:18:00,559
increase of 4.5 is where we're at

3706
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:02,479
and so

3707
02:18:02,479 --> 02:18:05,679
it's it's what you choose

3708
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:07,120
commissioner olsen

3709
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:09,280
so a lot of the

3710
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:12,319
expenses out there are what do you think

3711
02:18:12,319 --> 02:18:14,399
out of our control more or less because

3712
02:18:14,399 --> 02:18:17,920
of everything else costs more right yes

3713
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,240
and i handed out a sheet to you um and

3714
02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:22,719
this kind of will tell you a little bit

3715
02:18:22,719 --> 02:18:25,439
um the finance director jim larson

3716
02:18:25,439 --> 02:18:27,280
provided this i had a request from

3717
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:29,760
bernie to pull it the u.s average in

3718
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:30,800
july

3719
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:32,080
of

3720
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:33,319
july was

3721
02:18:33,319 --> 02:18:36,240
5.4 percent inflation

3722
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:38,160
but in the midwest where we are for our

3723
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:42,240
communities it's 6.1 percent and so if

3724
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:44,800
our budget was to account for that

3725
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:46,800
we would need a larger increase and i

3726
02:18:46,800 --> 02:18:48,399
mean we're trying everything we can to

3727
02:18:48,399 --> 02:18:53,750
keep it down

3728
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:55,040
okay uh

3729
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:57,280
my turn

3730
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:58,559
thank you

3731
02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:01,519
mrs fisk for the efforts on yours and

3732
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:04,319
all the department heads and mr larson

3733
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:06,160
you know the point that commissioner

3734
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:07,679
simmons just made

3735
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:10,479
uh with regard to two thousand dollars

3736
02:19:10,479 --> 02:19:12,160
from administration or

3737
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:13,679
x number of dollars from the police

3738
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:16,000
department is

3739
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:18,399
noteworthy

3740
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:23,599
i'm concerned about something else and and i'm very concerned about it

3741
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:26,319
i was told yesterday or the last week by

3742
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:29,120
an analyst in cass county that there's

3743
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:31,040
ten thousand job openings in west park

3744
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:34,080
or in the in the in the cass county 10

3745
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:37,509
000 job openings

3746
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:40,240
25 000 in the state of north dakota

3747
02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:43,120
supposedly uh job service uh that

3748
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:45,200
they're reporting and stuff like that

3749
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:46,880
doesn't count anymore because people

3750
02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:49,439
aren't even posting jobs anymore take a

3751
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:50,960
look at our community with the portable

3752
02:19:50,960 --> 02:19:53,359
signs that we see around here

3753
02:19:53,359 --> 02:19:55,840
this budget has a one percent increase

3754
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:58,080
for a cost of living

3755
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:00,240
for all these wonderful people that do

3756
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:03,040
all the work around here

3757
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:04,960
my concern

3758
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:07,680
as as as important it is is to get back

3759
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:10,080
on time with maintenance and purchases

3760
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:11,600
of equipment like we did with the

3761
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,359
garbage trucks or our police cars

3762
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:16,800
if you don't have somebody sitting in

3763
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,319
that chair

3764
02:20:18,319 --> 02:20:20,319
running that police car

3765
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:22,319
or driving that garbage truck where are

3766
02:20:22,319 --> 02:20:24,240
we

3767
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,240
and a one percent you know is if you

3768
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:27,520
take a look at the

3769
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:29,760
any of the any reporting agency will

3770
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:31,680
tell you that inflation's running five

3771
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:33,760
percent right now

3772
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:37,359
so my concern here is is that if we're

3773
02:20:37,359 --> 02:20:39,439
going to invest some of those additional

3774
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:40,560
dollars that

3775
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:42,800
you know commissioner judy big was was

3776
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,439
uh trying to get the answers to

3777
02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:46,640
and the like

3778
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:49,120
we need to review that now i understand

3779
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:50,240
that if you're

3780
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,000
if you take a look at the way that our

3781
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,319
pay schedule works around the city of

3782
02:20:54,319 --> 02:20:56,240
west fargo that if

3783
02:20:56,240 --> 02:20:59,439
you go from one classification to

3784
02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:01,760
another or or a number of years of

3785
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:03,040
service there's still going to be some

3786
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:04,880
raises there

3787
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:07,760
but the fact of the matter is

3788
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:09,920
if you've ever been in the uh

3789
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:12,720
hired a lot of people and all of us have

3790
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:15,040
got great work experience we know what

3791
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:17,840
that's like to retrain people or to

3792
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:20,720
recruit people or trying to retain them

3793
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:23,990
retain recruit

3794
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:25,680
or replace

3795
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:28,080
and that's expensive that's really

3796
02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:29,520
expensive

3797
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:31,220
so as we continue to

3798
02:21:31,220 --> 02:21:32,560
[Music]

3799
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:34,479
review this budget i realize we've

3800
02:21:34,479 --> 02:21:36,319
already capped what the budget can be

3801
02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:40,240
with our with our preliminary findings

3802
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:42,399
but i think that we as a commission we

3803
02:21:42,399 --> 02:21:44,319
need to really think this through

3804
02:21:44,319 --> 02:21:45,920
as to how we're going to do this or

3805
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:48,479
where this money is going to be applied

3806
02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:50,720
and

3807
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:53,359
i think we need to reinvest

3808
02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:55,760
any dollars that we possibly can

3809
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:57,920
into retaining these wonderful people

3810
02:21:57,920 --> 02:22:02,710
that we have working for this community

3811
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:04,319
and i'm going to leave that up to staff

3812
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:08,319
as to how to figure that out too

3813
02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:10,080
commissioner simmons i would suggest

3814
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:11,760
that we leave the budget as it is and

3815
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:13,040
move forward

3816
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:14,000
and just

3817
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:16,319
leave it where we're at that 4.5 leave

3818
02:22:16,319 --> 02:22:18,560
it there let's just move forward and and

3819
02:22:18,560 --> 02:22:22,399
uh and worry about our employees next

3820
02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:24,640
well this is this report this evening

3821
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:27,600
from mrs fisk is a response from

3822
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:29,760
our request to go find additional

3823
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:31,439
savings so

3824
02:22:31,439 --> 02:22:33,840
we do have a preliminary budget that has

3825
02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:35,840
been posted with

3826
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:37,760
the cass county commission

3827
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:39,200
so you know

3828
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:41,200
we can do that we could think about what

3829
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,120
was discussed this evening some more we

3830
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:46,560
still have a little time not a lot

3831
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:48,080
or

3832
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:49,680
if you're inclined to make your motion

3833
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:51,280
then you do what you you know i will

3834
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:52,720
make that motion because i don't want

3835
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:54,399
the staff to spend any more time on this

3836
02:22:54,399 --> 02:22:56,800
let's just move on i think we'll be fine

3837
02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:58,479
um again then we'll have to look at the

3838
02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:03,349
employees next

3839
02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:05,200
i have a motion by commissioner simmons

3840
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:08,080
i have a second by commissioner olson

3841
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:11,120
that we move on with the uh preliminary

3842
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,600
budget as originally posted

3843
02:23:13,600 --> 02:23:16,000
correct correct and uh with the

3844
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:20,319
possibility of reviewing uh cola also

3845
02:23:20,319 --> 02:23:23,359
is that that correct

3846
02:23:23,359 --> 02:23:25,920
motion and second okay

3847
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:27,680
any discussion

3848
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:29,200
commissioner george

3849
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:30,880
just a quick comment so i missed the

3850
02:23:30,880 --> 02:23:32,240
last meeting because i was working

3851
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:34,240
during that time but i did watch it and

3852
02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:35,280
at the end

3853
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:38,240
when i saw commissioner olson's comments

3854
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:40,399
honestly i was kind of a little taken

3855
02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:42,319
aback initially by it because it was

3856
02:23:42,319 --> 02:23:43,920
like well they should work on cuts

3857
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:45,680
wherever they can now i see that you

3858
02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:47,040
have i see what you've done i'm

3859
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:49,280
impressed with the work you've done

3860
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:51,040
but after seeing it and thinking about

3861
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:52,720
in the comments made tonight i would

3862
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:54,720
agree with what i'm hearing with

3863
02:23:54,720 --> 02:23:56,640
everybody else here i think we leave it

3864
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:58,319
as is i would support the increase in

3865
02:23:58,319 --> 02:23:59,680
wage

3866
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:02,319
if we can reasonably take money out of

3867
02:24:02,319 --> 02:24:04,640
kovid funds i would support that too so

3868
02:24:04,640 --> 02:24:06,240
i think these are all fantastic ideas

3869
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:08,160
and i'd support any of it thank you mr

3870
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:09,600
george community

3871
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:11,600
well my comment it might just be the way

3872
02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:13,439
it was emotionally but i will say it

3873
02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:15,520
just seems like the comment was because

3874
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:17,200
it's tough work

3875
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:18,720
let's just move forward with what we got

3876
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:20,560
and i mean the budget of how we spend

3877
02:24:20,560 --> 02:24:21,760
our money as a city is probably the

3878
02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:23,280
number one job we have as commissioner

3879
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:25,200
so i'm not sure i

3880
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:27,120
like at least kind of

3881
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:29,359
the vibe that i feel like

3882
02:24:29,359 --> 02:24:31,120
was coming from that if

3883
02:24:31,120 --> 02:24:34,080
we have a responsibility to try

3884
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:35,520
to

3885
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:39,200
if if there's a way to not raise mills

3886
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:41,120
to 4.5 and to have it be at three that's

3887
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:44,399
a win or a 3.5 or whatever it is

3888
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:45,280
and

3889
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:48,000
i can agree with i mean i i also am

3890
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:50,080
concerned about her staff and therefore

3891
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:52,319
i'm going to go back to

3892
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:53,680
we are

3893
02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:55,359
millions of dollars a couple million

3894
02:24:55,359 --> 02:24:57,840
dollars of code money that we don't have

3895
02:24:57,840 --> 02:24:58,880
a plan

3896
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:00,960
as to what we're going to spend it on

3897
02:25:00,960 --> 02:25:02,399
but instead we're going to let it sit

3898
02:25:02,399 --> 02:25:04,319
there while we

3899
02:25:04,319 --> 02:25:06,160
raise them a levy and so you know i'm

3900
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:07,280
going to vote against the motion but

3901
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:10,240
it's not necessarily a vote against the

3902
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:14,399
idea of increasing our cost of living um

3903
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:17,280
i i just kind of disagree with

3904
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:18,640
i don't know

3905
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:19,920
commissioner simmons

3906
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:21,600
thank you i just got to make one more

3907
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:22,960
thing because i don't want people to put

3908
02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:25,120
words in my mouth i'm approving this and

3909
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:27,280
making the motion because it's a damn

3910
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:29,280
good budget and you worked your butts

3911
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:31,439
off to get there that's why i'm proving

3912
02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:33,120
it not because it's easy because there's

3913
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:34,960
nowhere to cut it's pretty common when

3914
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:36,240
you look at commissioner george and

3915
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:38,240
olsen so my motion is because you did a

3916
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:40,319
great budget thank you very much

3917
02:25:40,319 --> 02:25:43,040
mrs frisco honored to make a point yes

3918
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:45,520
um thank you commission president i just

3919
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:48,240
wanted to reiterate for the public that

3920
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:49,840
doesn't realize what's been going on

3921
02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:53,680
behind the scenes we started this budget

3922
02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:56,560
four million dollars in the hole

3923
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:58,319
because of decisions that have been made

3924
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:00,080
and changes that have happened which is

3925
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:01,120
fine

3926
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:03,680
we had it from double digit

3927
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:06,160
mill levy increases down to just under

3928
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:07,760
six

3929
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:09,760
and at that point

3930
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,080
it was we thought we'd done a fantastic

3931
02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:13,840
job well then we found another revenue

3932
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:15,200
source and said okay now we got it down

3933
02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:17,439
to 4.5

3934
02:26:17,439 --> 02:26:19,600
um and so we were really happy with

3935
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:21,359
where because everyone worked everyone

3936
02:26:21,359 --> 02:26:24,640
cut everyone sacrificed and so i

3937
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:26,640
appreciate the motion

3938
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:28,560
and i appreciate commissioner jaravik

3939
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:30,640
and what he's saying but

3940
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:33,600
i do believe that this is

3941
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:36,000
the leanest budget we can have people

3942
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:38,319
still want services and we have to give

3943
02:26:38,319 --> 02:26:39,920
them to them

3944
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:41,680
they demand more and more

3945
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,120
every day

3946
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:45,680
so thank you

3947
02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:47,680
just ask commissioner olsen please

3948
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:48,640
so

3949
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:50,560
through the whole process

3950
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:52,800
you've trimmed away all the fat

3951
02:26:52,800 --> 02:26:55,280
yes and by making this additional

3952
02:26:55,280 --> 02:26:57,200
trim of the budget we're now getting

3953
02:26:57,200 --> 02:27:00,479
into the meat yes yes it's going to hurt

3954
02:27:00,479 --> 02:27:02,560
even though it may be training

3955
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:04,399
it's still a service

3956
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:06,880
because we need to be trained to provide

3957
02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:10,319
the service and as in your report

3958
02:27:10,319 --> 02:27:13,439
it says that these items out if we would

3959
02:27:13,439 --> 02:27:14,960
cut them today

3960
02:27:14,960 --> 02:27:16,479
they're going to be added tomorrow so

3961
02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:18,800
like we're doing all we're doing is

3962
02:27:18,800 --> 02:27:21,520
kicking it down the road one more time

3963
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:24,319
so i am in support of leaving it the way

3964
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:25,280
it was

3965
02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:28,160
that is correct um we have like slashed

3966
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:29,359
overtime

3967
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:31,200
for the police department

3968
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:33,040
because they aren't always able to get

3969
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:34,560
their hires started on time so we cut

3970
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:35,920
their overtime

3971
02:27:35,920 --> 02:27:37,920
that's where the 80 000 comes from we've

3972
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:40,319
got things that we needed in engineering

3973
02:27:40,319 --> 02:27:42,160
they're slashed we took out street

3974
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:44,319
sweeping for instance matt and big

3975
02:27:44,319 --> 02:27:46,240
reduced a sweet street sweeping budget

3976
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:48,399
for next year it just and then it's

3977
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:51,120
travel and it's training

3978
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:52,479
different things like that staggered

3979
02:27:52,479 --> 02:27:53,520
hires

3980
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:55,120
all those things

3981
02:27:55,120 --> 02:27:56,880
how many hires are in your budget at the

3982
02:27:56,880 --> 02:28:00,000
present time not very many um i think we

3983
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:01,200
have

3984
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:03,439
six

3985
02:28:03,439 --> 02:28:04,960
you gotta now you're making me think i

3986
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:07,280
was looking at is it six or is it four

3987
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:11,600
okay it's six one in the general fund

3988
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:13,840
two and two in fire

3989
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:15,280
and then

3990
02:28:15,280 --> 02:28:16,760
the others are in the

3991
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:23,190
non-non-tax levied funds

3992
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:24,880
she answered it when she was tough we

3993
02:28:24,880 --> 02:28:26,640
have a motion on the table any further

3994
02:28:26,640 --> 02:28:32,710
discussion

3995
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:35,040
emily can you read the motion back just

3996
02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:37,760
make sure that we move forward with the

3997
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:40,800
preliminary budget as uh whatever the

3998
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,840
date was that we uh accepted that

3999
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:52,230
with the possibility of looking at cola

4000
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:53,359
okay well

4001
02:28:53,359 --> 02:28:55,120
the fact that july 19th preliminary no

4002
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:58,800
not july 19th what was the date jim

4003
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:03,349
the preliminary budget approval

4004
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:15,670
august 19th

4005
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:18,560
well on page 372 it says that our july

4006
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:20,880
19th it's supposed to yeah that was a

4007
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:23,990
table

4008
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:27,359
august 2nd

4009
02:29:27,359 --> 02:29:29,359
so yes that should say it doesn't

4010
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:30,800
shouldn't say july i should say august

4011
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:36,790
on the memo

4012
02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:39,120
everybody understand the motion

4013
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:40,880
okay

4014
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:42,479
all those in favor of the motion please

4015
02:29:42,479 --> 02:29:45,520
signify by saying aye

4016
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:46,640
opposed

4017
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:47,520
no

4018
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:55,429
motion carried

4019
02:29:55,439 --> 02:29:57,280
number 12 is the city administrators

4020
02:29:57,280 --> 02:29:59,280
report mrs fisk

4021
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:00,399
thank you commission president

4022
02:30:00,399 --> 02:30:02,319
commissioners i've just got a few items

4023
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:05,600
and i won't drag them out

4024
02:30:05,600 --> 02:30:07,200
first of all i just wanted to get you up

4025
02:30:07,200 --> 02:30:08,880
to speed there have been some concerns

4026
02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:10,720
at the parking garage

4027
02:30:10,720 --> 02:30:12,720
we have individuals that are kind of

4028
02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:14,880
loitering in there they when the tiger

4029
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:16,399
lily concert was going on some

4030
02:30:16,399 --> 02:30:18,560
individual climbed over and got

4031
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:21,359
backstage with them a couple times

4032
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:23,760
and we've had people standing on ledges

4033
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:25,920
and dropping things from the top or

4034
02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:28,800
whatever and so um

4035
02:30:28,800 --> 02:30:32,880
we are looking into screening to try and

4036
02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:35,600
screen that that south side something

4037
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:37,120
that wouldn't be not something hideous

4038
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:38,399
but just something we're just going to

4039
02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:40,160
look at the cost of trying to provide a

4040
02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:42,080
protective barrier because if one person

4041
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:43,359
falls

4042
02:30:43,359 --> 02:30:44,640
and gets

4043
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:47,359
hurt or killed

4044
02:30:47,359 --> 02:30:49,200
that would be terrible and so we want

4045
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:50,720
we're looking into trying to find a way

4046
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:52,640
to protect people basically from

4047
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:54,800
themselves so and i will be bringing

4048
02:30:54,800 --> 02:30:56,960
that back to you guys so that you can

4049
02:30:56,960 --> 02:30:59,359
see and make those decisions i just want

4050
02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:00,880
you to be aware that we are looking into

4051
02:31:00,880 --> 02:31:04,000
it we also are putting up signage in

4052
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:05,040
there

4053
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:06,880
that um tells people that they cannot

4054
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:08,000
loiter

4055
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:10,319
you if you're there you parked a car you

4056
02:31:10,319 --> 02:31:12,160
get out you go somewhere you can't just

4057
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:14,640
walk around and they're sitting there so

4058
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:15,680
and that will allow the police

4059
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:17,840
department to be able to enforce better

4060
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:20,000
so

4061
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:23,280
we're preparing signage for that as well

4062
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:24,880
the other thing i wanted to let remind

4063
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:27,920
you is the north dakota league of cities

4064
02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:30,720
state meeting is september 16th through

4065
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:32,720
18th which is next week thursday through

4066
02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:35,520
saturday i will be gone the 17th and

4067
02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:37,680
18th for that conference and i know

4068
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:39,680
president dardis is going for sure for

4069
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:41,439
at least a day

4070
02:31:41,439 --> 02:31:43,600
but then is coming back for west fest so

4071
02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:45,200
i just wanted to kind of give you the

4072
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:48,389
heads up on that

4073
02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:50,479
i want to take a moment to congratulate

4074
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:52,800
brian maskey and matt anbig

4075
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:54,880
they put in a grant

4076
02:31:54,880 --> 02:31:57,760
request at for at watersmart and i put

4077
02:31:57,760 --> 02:31:59,920
the information in your correspondence

4078
02:31:59,920 --> 02:32:02,319
packets and they received a grant

4079
02:32:02,319 --> 02:32:06,800
towards their ami project of 75 000. so

4080
02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:08,640
they're a great job every dollar helps

4081
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:11,040
so thank you

4082
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:12,960
um let's see

4083
02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:16,240
in october 12 13 the economic

4084
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:17,280
development

4085
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:18,800
north dakota conference is going to be

4086
02:32:18,800 --> 02:32:20,000
held in west fargo it's going to be a

4087
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:22,800
big event governor will be here

4088
02:32:22,800 --> 02:32:25,200
just keep in mind mark your calendars

4089
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:26,880
and we'll send out reminders as well so

4090
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:28,479
that if you could attend that'd be

4091
02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:30,640
fantastic so

4092
02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:32,319
and last but not least i just kind of

4093
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:34,560
wanted to give you an update um we've

4094
02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:36,800
been having some serious safety concerns

4095
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:38,960
with court

4096
02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:40,960
the judge is

4097
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:42,720
not comfortable because she has to walk

4098
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:45,200
in through all the defendants and then

4099
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:47,040
walk around

4100
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,280
clerk of court the clerks are way down

4101
02:32:49,280 --> 02:32:51,359
another hallway and so we've got

4102
02:32:51,359 --> 02:32:53,760
defendants sitting in the main hallway

4103
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:56,640
walking around all over the place

4104
02:32:56,640 --> 02:32:59,439
so one of the things that we did because

4105
02:32:59,439 --> 02:33:01,600
we're out of we're out of space

4106
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:03,280
our intention is to take the west fargo

4107
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:04,399
room and we're going to make that into

4108
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:06,399
the clerk of court's office and then

4109
02:33:06,399 --> 02:33:08,479
they would have to cut a hole in the

4110
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:09,359
wall

4111
02:33:09,359 --> 02:33:12,319
and then create a walkway a safe walkway

4112
02:33:12,319 --> 02:33:15,600
for the judge to get up here

4113
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:18,240
that's the the best workaround we could

4114
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:20,479
find we'll create a new window for the

4115
02:33:20,479 --> 02:33:22,240
clerk and it'll be right by here so that

4116
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:23,600
they're able to

4117
02:33:23,600 --> 02:33:26,479
try and keep people more contained but

4118
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:28,720
it is becoming a big issue the more

4119
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:30,160
cases we have

4120
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:31,840
you can have 50 people standing around

4121
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:33,840
out there and it's not safe

4122
02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:35,920
the police department is fantastic about

4123
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:39,040
helping out but it is it is a serious

4124
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:41,359
issue so um i just wanted you to be

4125
02:33:41,359 --> 02:33:44,399
aware that that is what we're working on

4126
02:33:44,399 --> 02:33:47,359
and it's for the safety of not only the

4127
02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:48,479
clerks

4128
02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:51,120
but our concern for the judge

4129
02:33:51,120 --> 02:33:53,120
and the others so do you have any

4130
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:55,280
questions for me on that the reason she

4131
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:57,600
couldn't come through this store

4132
02:33:57,600 --> 02:33:59,120
um

4133
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:00,399
i think she

4134
02:34:00,399 --> 02:34:03,120
exits that door i'm not sure if she

4135
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:04,720
accident i would think she could come

4136
02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:06,240
into it it would save us a whole lot of

4137
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:07,520
money

4138
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:10,000
yeah i'm not sure i i i can't answer

4139
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:12,080
that jim do you know for sure what her

4140
02:34:12,080 --> 02:34:21,030
reasoning was

4141
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:23,120
right but if she access it then what's

4142
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:24,800
the difference why couldn't she why

4143
02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:26,800
could she not enter it

4144
02:34:26,800 --> 02:34:28,240
just saying it seems like we might want

4145
02:34:28,240 --> 02:34:29,520
to think about that before we start

4146
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:30,800
remodeling and spend a whole lot of

4147
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:39,910
money if if that's the case

4148
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:41,120
i'm assuming it'll come before the

4149
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:43,200
commission before you follow those plans

4150
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:44,319
through correct before you start

4151
02:34:44,319 --> 02:34:47,200
spending money on it the the costs the

4152
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:48,800
cost estimates will come before

4153
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:50,800
commission for approval if you would

4154
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:52,880
like um typically when we're trying to

4155
02:34:52,880 --> 02:34:54,880
just make space at city hall we've just

4156
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:56,640
kind of taken bits and pieces and tried

4157
02:34:56,640 --> 02:34:58,800
to do the best we could but

4158
02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:00,080
if you would like us to i definitely

4159
02:35:00,080 --> 02:35:01,680
will bring those forward to you for

4160
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:06,469
review and approval

4161
02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:07,680
i guess

4162
02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:09,200
i'd kind of like to know the yeah just

4163
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:10,880
what it's going to cost us before we do

4164
02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:12,479
it

4165
02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:14,720
maybe there's other alternatives

4166
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:17,600
okay i will do so

4167
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:20,000
all right and that is all i have what do

4168
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:21,439
you have for me

4169
02:35:21,439 --> 02:35:22,399
and you

4170
02:35:22,399 --> 02:35:24,319
distributed your correspondence correct

4171
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:27,439
yes i did

4172
02:35:27,439 --> 02:35:29,600
questions for mrs fisk on

4173
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:31,120
correspondence or her city

4174
02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:34,950
administrator's report

4175
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:37,200
thank you thank you

4176
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:38,800
commissioners any of you have any

4177
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:40,319
non-agenda items you'd like to bring

4178
02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:45,110
forward tonight

4179
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:47,600
staff anybody department heads anybody

4180
02:35:47,600 --> 02:35:48,800
like to bring something forward this

4181
02:35:48,800 --> 02:35:52,790
evening

4182
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:55,439
i'd like to there was an item on the

4183
02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:57,359
consent agenda

4184
02:35:57,359 --> 02:36:00,319
that kind of went unnoticed uh

4185
02:36:00,319 --> 02:36:02,319
and that is

4186
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:03,520
uh

4187
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:06,240
public works matt anvik putting out for

4188
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:08,319
bids to get rid of the rip wrapping

4189
02:36:08,319 --> 02:36:10,560
along around our

4190
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:12,880
um

4191
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:14,000
lagoon

4192
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:15,359
cells

4193
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:17,600
good work matthew

4194
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:19,200
i mean we're getting paid for them to

4195
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:20,720
come and get it and get it out of there

4196
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:22,399
we'd had to get them out of there before

4197
02:36:22,399 --> 02:36:23,359
you can

4198
02:36:23,359 --> 02:36:25,439
fully reclaim them anyway so you've got

4199
02:36:25,439 --> 02:36:27,040
somebody to buy them

4200
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:28,800
and to remove them

4201
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:30,640
that's top-notch work so my

4202
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:33,280
congratulations to you and your team who

4203
02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:35,359
all who are involved please

4204
02:36:35,359 --> 02:36:36,640
give them the thanks to the city

4205
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:38,000
commission for that

4206
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:40,560
and i think that generated two hundred

4207
02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:43,040
thousand dollars plus in revenue

4208
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:44,800
good work

4209
02:36:44,800 --> 02:36:45,680
uh

4210
02:36:45,680 --> 02:36:47,920
commissioner simmons moved to adjourn

4211
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:50,000
commissioner olsen second we are

4212
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:53,000
adjourned