[0:19] She starts
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[0:32] Okay. Good evening everybody. Welcome to
the West Ocean Township Board of
[0:35] Supervisors meeting for September the 1.
To start the meeting, will you please
[0:39] stand and join me in the pledge of
allegiance
[0:46] to the flag of the United States of
America and to the stands one
[0:55] indivisible
and justice for all.
[1:01] Thank you. Please be aware this meeting
is being live streamed on the township
[1:05] YouTube channel and that uh the meeting
may also be audio or video recorded by
[1:11] parties present in the room. Our first
item of business is public comment. Is
[1:16] there anyone here who has a comment or a
question about something that is not on
[1:21] the agenda this evening?
Yes, ma'am.
[1:28] This is my fellow.
>> Yes.
[1:40] [clears throat]
>> Thank you. My name is Suzanne Harkkins.
[1:43] Um before spontaneously, I want to say
how lovely it is to see the art exhibit
[1:48] out uh in the foyer. My grandmother
entered one of those a number of years
[1:52] ago and it was really special for her.
So um they're just wonderful. The courts
[1:55] are and the paintings are amazing. So,
uh, well done. Um, so first off, I want
[2:01] to say that it seems like a lot of hard
work to run the township. Uh, and thank
[2:06] you for that work. My comment today
relates to the proposed zoning ordinance
[2:11] update. So, it's a really dense 205page
document essentially sets out the vision
[2:16] for the township's future and what is
permitted and what is not permitted. Its
[2:22] subjects are wide ranging, but my focus
here today is really the R1 and R2
[2:27] residential zones, the declared purposes
and intent for them and the permitted
[2:31] their proposed permitted uses within
them. So the bottom line is as written
[2:37] now I I don't support the proposed uh
purposes and intents and nor their
[2:43] permitted uses as written. uh and why so
some extracts I'm condensing this for
[2:48] speed but obviously see the document for
the full text page two in the community
[2:53] development objectives contains phrases
like protecting the health and general
[2:57] welfare of Wisconsin residents the
compatible compatible balance of
[3:01] residential commercial and industrial
areas also accommodating reasonable
[3:06] overall community growth including
preventing excessive concentration of
[3:10] public uh population
now seeing cut to the lived experience
[3:15] of West Scotian residents and taxpayers.
Now, uh what I consistently hear from
[3:20] people is that there is already too much
traffic. Uh the continuous development
[3:24] is really reducing the quality of life
in the township and putting pressure on
[3:28] the township's roads and on other
infrastructure. I also hear people
[3:32] consistently talk about how much they
value the West Ocean's nature and
[3:35] wildlife.
So, it was a surprise to read section
[3:40] 84.6, Six, the statement of purposes and
intent for zoning districts. The R1
[3:46] district, which is uh on the map, it
looks like it's about 10% in that north
[3:49] part above the burrow, which is uh 2B
predominantly single family detached
[3:55] residential dwellings as well as other
moderately dense housing types.
[4:00] R2 which is looks to be about 50 plus%
of the township. The intent for the
[4:05] district is to accommodate the expansion
of suburban development in those areas
[4:10] best suited for medium density
residential development. And I I think
[4:15] it's important to note the contrast from
R1 which is the intent is predominantly
[4:20] single family detached dwellings which
implies that R2 might not be. This reads
[4:25] like a green light for dense property
development. It gets worse in sections
[4:31] 84.14
and 84.16 where the permitted uses in
[4:35] both R1 and R2 includes a range of
resident types, everything from town
[4:40] houses to multif family dwellings and
more. Uh please see the the documents
[4:45] themselves. But in other words, the
current zoning protections that limit
[4:50] development to detached single family
dwellings for the majority of
[4:54] residential ocean, which looks like in
the map eyeballing about 60% are
[4:58] removed. The proposed changes will alter
the fundamental character of the
[5:03] township and over time Chris at the risk
create at the risk of being a little bit
[5:08] dramatic, but I think the imagery is
important here, a wild west go property
[5:12] development bonanza because people can
do essentially open up these single
[5:16] family dwellings to so many different
other types from corporations or private
[5:20] owners.
In conclusion, I generally recognize
[5:25] that updating the ordinances is a very
hard task and so is evaluating them. For
[5:31] clarity, I do want the zoning to remain
as single family, detached residence,
[5:36] dwellings only for R1 and R2. Most
people don't know that this
[5:42] comprehensive rewrite is happening. I
hope we can find a better way forward
[5:46] for West Ocean than these R1 and R2
ordinances as currently written. one
[5:50] that protects it from excessive
development and protects the nature in
[5:54] the township. And if I can be of
assistance in helping to find that way,
[5:58] I am willing. So, thank you.
>> Thank you, Suzanne. I appreciate your
[6:03] comments. Um, Chris, just remind the
board where we are in the process of
[6:08] review and adoption of the new
ordinance.
[6:11] » Um, so we received comments back from
the Chester County Planning Commission.
[6:15] Those comments were uh reviewed at the
August 18th board meeting. Generally
[6:19] speaking, the county planning commission
supported the work that was done by the
[6:24] township um in compliance with the
township with the county's comprehensive
[6:28] plan. Um we are making uh change we're
making the requested changes from the
[6:34] board in alliance with the comments that
were received. Um and then those will go
[6:39] back to the county for their review as
well as our planning commission for for
[6:44] their review. But it is just to address
the comments that were from the county
[6:47] planning commission and the updates that
are made in accordance with those
[6:50] comments. And then it'll be advertis.
It's been advertise on the township
[6:54] website for
two months I want to say since about the
[6:59] end of June, beginning of July. And
we've been running articles in the
[7:02] township newsletter every month since in
July and August. Um so it'll be
[7:07] advertised for a public hearing once the
once the next round of review comments
[7:11] come back.
>> Okay. And there were you comments that
[7:15] the discussion on August 18th mainly
centered around the data center
[7:18] language. Correct.
>> Correct.
[7:21] » And I'll just note that we held a joint
public meeting with the planning
[7:26] commission and the board of supervisors
back in January that was publicly
[7:29] advertised. Um we've held we've held
discussions with both the board of
[7:34] supervisors as well as the land planning
committee. All those meetings have been
[7:37] publicly advertised. Um so there has
been opportunity for input along during
[7:42] this process.
>> Yeah, I mean your comment's a fair one.
[7:46] Um I think we have to balance kind of
expectations [clears throat] people have
[7:51] about the fact that there is not enough
housing in this country and that we have
[7:55] a developed uh area here suburban
development that can uh we have seen
[8:00] infill developments mainly of single
family homes. Most of our multif family
[8:06] construction in the last seven years
that I've been on the board has been
[8:09] along the main corridors like uh the
point and luxur I don't know what it's
[8:15] called now. And then uh we've had a
couple of other uh additional type of uh
[8:23] like the the quality is being
redeveloped into a assisted living
[8:28] facility. They've all tended to be where
we've had dens denser development along
[8:33] the main corridors. Um I think in R1 and
R2 lot sizes are going to limit the
[8:41] ability for anyone to come in and put
substantial development in unless they
[8:45] acquire several lots. Um so I think
again in my perspective it is a balance
[8:51] between allowing people to exercise
their private property rights for infill
[8:56] development while still maintaining
reasonable zoning with respect to uh
[9:03] what can be done on an individual lot
for the the residential zones that we
[9:07] have. Anyone else want to add to that?
Well, just just to kind of build on
[9:11] that, we did do a um what I'll call like
a vacant land or build out analysis as
[9:16] part of this process. And the ultimate
determination of this was that the
[9:20] township is very nearly built out.
After Graceman is completed, there are
[9:26] not many parcels for large scale
development.
[9:32] » And I suppose the question uh is is that
a bad thing? Again, going back to I I
[9:38] take the point about uh housing need in
the country, but this is really about
[9:43] West Scotian residents and taxpayers and
the taxes that they pay and the desire
[9:47] to reflecting those. I did watch the
January presentation. I was not in
[9:53] attendance. I did watch the video and I
noted there was a question about well
[9:57] could someone just rip down a house and
build uh multif family or you know build
[10:02] multiple dwellings on it and the answer
from JD was yes they could do that. It
[10:06] opens the door for property developers
and I did have the sense that um it was
[10:13] written from the perspective of property
developers not really to provide housing
[10:19] in America for the unhoused. So with
that in mind, I respectfully disagree
[10:26] and still maintain my point. And I think
the there I think there is a
[10:30] fitforpurpose issue that's broader than
just this. And I 100% trust that
[10:36] emphatically that the proper process of
uh advertising and holding meetings has
[10:42] been undertaken. I have absolutely no
question about that. But I think there's
[10:46] a fit for purpose issue because it was
sad to see at the last meeting that
[10:50] there were four people at the end of the
meeting. That's not a lot of civic
[10:52] engagement. It's I don't think people
know, nobody I have spoken to about
[10:58] this, other residents have known that
this ordinance was going and reading a
[11:02] very dense 205 page document, it's very
difficult for members of the public to
[11:08] be able to do that comprehensively and
uh effectively. So that's a a broader
[11:14] issue, but I think a very relevant one
here. And I will maintain that I do not
[11:19] believe that residents want that widened
zoning for different residential house
[11:24] types.
>> Okay.
[11:26] » Absolutely not.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[11:28] » Thank you.
>> Is anyone else with a public comment?
[11:31] » Yes, ma'am.
>> Um, am I allowed to give a public
[11:34] comment if I'm not a Scotian resident?
>> You are. You may be limited the amount
[11:39] of time depending on what your subject
is. If you just at least state your name
[11:42] and where you do live, please.
>> Good evening. Um, my name is Carrie
[11:46] Rosscamp. I live in Thornbury Township,
227 St. Hill Lane, Westchester. And, uh,
[11:52] it's great to be here. The reason I'm
here tonight is to introduce, if you
[11:55] haven't heard about it, a greenway
that's being proposed that kind of
[11:59] dovetales into the interest in
recreation and nature and preservation
[12:02] of land. It would be a rail with trail
plan in the SEPTA corridor. Um, Chris
[12:08] has been copied on this a couple of
times. It would begin on Market Street
[12:13] of Westchester Burrow and extend all the
way down to the Wawa station on route
[12:18] one be a 9.29 mile trail and West Ocean
would be one of the municipalities
[12:23] adjacent to the septic corridor. So it
would cross through two counties and
[12:27] seven municipalities and affect probably
close to 100,000 local residents not
[12:33] counting students at Westchester
University and Shane University. Um by
[12:37] our estimate it would connect uh high
schools, elementary schools, YMCA's
[12:43] parks
um etc etc in addition to the two
[12:47] universities
um the major railroad station on on
[12:52] route one and then of course the burrow
which is a huge um you know area for
[12:56] entertainment, restaurants, etc. Um, I
just wanted to invite you if you'd like
[13:03] to get a full presentation, I'd be happy
to come back and do that. But to alert
[13:07] you to the fact that today we met with
John O'Brien, who's of the Westchester
[13:10] Business Improvement District, and he
has agreed to apply for a um,
[13:16] feasibility study application on our
behalf through the local share account,
[13:20] which is a pool of money that's set
aside from gaming revenue. the projects
[13:25] can max out at $1 million a piece and
they're no grant, meaning if that grant
[13:31] is approved, there's no cost to the m
municipalities
[13:35] um to, you know, help fund a feasibility
study. Um anyway, that's that's it in a
[13:41] nutshell. I'd be happy to come back some
other time and provide maps and more
[13:44] information, but at some point, uh Chris
will be the contact person to be
[13:50] notified. Um each of the township
managers will be invited to contribute a
[13:56] letter of support for the project. Um I
think it would be a tremendous long-term
[14:02] um enhancement of recreation and um
transportation opportunities for the
[14:07] municipalities.
In in other words, this is akin in my
[14:11] mind to the Chester Valley Trail where
maybe there was some opposition at first
[14:15] because of property values or theft or
crime rates going up and then as it was
[14:20] put into place an ADA accessible trail
that you could use for strollers and
[14:26] wheelchairs and biking and cycling and
dog walking. It was embraced by the
[14:30] community and um you know has been a
tremendous success and has increased
[14:36] property values and is being extended as
far as I know out to Downington. Now, um
[14:41] the southern end of our trail,
coincidentally passing through Delco
[14:44] County, was written into the Delco
Planning Commission trail map system
[14:48] years ago and was intended to be a an
extension of the Chester Creek Trail,
[14:54] which as you know is being built um with
their northern terminus at the Wawa
[14:59] Station. Um and also just one final note
is this trail would dovetail in addition
[15:04] to the railroad station at Wawa. Uh it
would meet up with two other trails in
[15:10] the um circuit trail network. The Octa
Railroad Trail, which is I believe an
[15:14] eight mile trail, which will go east
west along par one and um like I said
[15:19] the west the Chester Creek Trail which
will eventually will go down to the
[15:23] Delaware River. So it's it it will be
just an enormous point of connection
[15:28] north to south um for all our
municipalities of not just Westchester
[15:33] Burough, West Ocean, Thornbury, Chesco,
Westtown, Thornbury, Delo, Middletown,
[15:37] Winchester Heights.
>> Okay, thank you.
[15:40] » Quick question. Is is the property all
owned by SE?
[15:44] » Yes, but it's leased to the burrow. The
burrow leases that and it's subleasased
[15:48] to the railroad company that operates
their passenger railroad.
[15:51] » Yes, it's
>> first I'm hearing of and I don't think
[15:54] the burrow understands
>> what's happening.
[15:57] » It's leased to it's accepted land leased
to the burrow subleased to the I don't
[16:02] remember the name of the sub but they
operate I think it's called core states
[16:05] LLC or something like that. So
>> okay
[16:07] » it's being used as a real and sept is
not real easy to work with. We we we
[16:12] already have we already have had
multiple discussions with SEPTA. They do
[16:19] approve of this project. I know there
are some attempts to restore passenger
[16:23] rail on a section of the rail which is
currently operating only a historic
[16:28] train at a very low speed. Um this trail
would in no way conflict. In fact, it's
[16:35] almost like a symbiotic relationship
like this hike belly gorge where they
[16:39] have historic train and a bike trail.
That's what the vision is. Um the most
[16:44] of the corridor there is almost a
football fieldwide. I know the grade
[16:48] changes at points and so it's hard to
imagine another trail going in but it is
[16:53] a very large corridor. Do you know what
the total cost proposed total cost is
[16:58] after the feasibility study is completed
and also where the money will come from
[17:03] to implement that?
>> At this point I would say the
[17:07] feasibility study is a a high quality
feasibility study is purposefully
[17:13] intended to answer all the questions
about cost, trail access, parking,
[17:19] maintenance, ownership, etc., etc. Um, I
know on the Chester Creek trail side, it
[17:26] was a friends group that got that trail
started. Um, three miles have been built
[17:31] of the 5 miles plant and it took them 20
years and that ownership of that piece
[17:36] of land has gone over to Delaware
County, but the friends group got it
[17:40] started and it was painfully slow and
uh, we hope we're not at that pace
[17:44] because some of the original members of
that group died before the shovels hit
[17:48] the ground and that trail has been a
phenomenal success. They're currently
[17:51] redoing their parking lots to
accommodate all the people that want to
[17:55] um you know
go on it now. Yeah. So yeah, I'm happy
[18:01] to give a more full presentation another
time.
[18:03] » So just up there you just informing the
board that you're going to be looking
[18:05] for a supporting letter for this LSA
grant application. Correct.
[18:10] » Yes. I it's like mainly information. I'm
happy to follow through with anybody
[18:14] individual, but we are well aware that
SEPTA is the owner. Westchester Burrow
[18:18] is leasing it. They sublease a portion
of it. We we know that. We've worked
[18:22] with the railroad people.
>> Subleas the entire right ofway from the
[18:25] burrow station to Guawa.
>> They they do they don't actively put
[18:29] their train on more than the first 5
miles of it, but I think they
[18:32] occasionally run a car or something
there. But yes, no, we're we're we're
[18:36] well aware of that. We have very
detailed maps. We're working with people
[18:39] like John Randolph on the Skookul River
Trail and Ray UT who's been developing a
[18:43] lot of trails in the county area here.
Um, and like I said, people on the
[18:47] Westchester
Chester Creek Trail side. So, we're
[18:51] we're we're very closely um,
you know, related to people on
[18:57] Pennsylvania
environmental council and DBRPC and a
[19:01] lot of other people who advised this on
trail development.
[19:04] » Okay. Well, thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
[19:06] » Is there anyone else for the public
comment this evening?
[19:10] Okay. Okay, then we'll move on to the
next agenda item, which is agenda item
[19:15] number four, discussion and possible
approval of an Eagle Scout project for
[19:20] Walter Conrad to install a Gaga ball pit
at Cooper Smith Park. Chris will
[19:26] introduce that and Walter's going to
come up to the microphone. Thank you.
[19:29] Welcome,
>> Mr. Chairman. For the board this evening
[19:32] is a proposed Eagle Scout project for
Walter Conrad. Mr. Conrad is proposing
[19:37] to install a Gaga pit in Cooper Smith
Park. Uh the proposed project was
[19:41] reviewed by the park and recreation
board at their meeting on August 19th
[19:44] [clears throat]
uh where it was unanimously recommended
[19:47] for approval. Um prior to the
presentation by the park and recreation
[19:51] board, the the proposed project was
reviewed by the township's park and
[19:54] recreation director uh Kenneth Leer who
is here this evening as well as the
[19:59] public works department who are also
supportive of the installation. Um and
[20:04] Mr. Conrad has provided a brief
presentation [clears throat]
[20:07] uh providing an overview of his project.
One minute to bring that up
[20:13] and I will turn it over to him. So
Walter just tell me when to change
[20:16] slides.
>> Thank you. Hi, my name is Walter Conrad.
[20:19] I'm a candidate for Eagle Scout with
Troop 7 in Melvin, Pennsylvania. I very
[20:24] much enjoy playing Gaga ball which is a
game like dodgeball but the you hit the
[20:28] ball with your hand and I believe the
youth attending West Gian day camp and
[20:33] Cooper Smith Park as well as the kids in
the surrounding neighborhood should have
[20:36] a new permanent Gaga ball pit. I'm
seeking approval from the West Ocean
[20:42] Township Board for my Eagle Scout
project which is building a Gaga ball
[20:45] pit at Cooper Smith Park. My trip has
experienced youth have already created
[20:49] Gaga ball pits for other schools such as
St. Norberts and we are prepared to fund
[20:55] and build the Gugup ball pit for Cooper
Smith Park. I personally have built
[20:58] furniture and I'm prepared to lead this
project to benefit the youth around
[21:02] Cooper Smith Park. Next,
[21:07] I propose building a permanent Gaga ball
pit at Cooper Smith Park to replace the
[21:11] inflatable one that the township
currently uses. The Gaga ball pit will
[21:16] be an octagon. It will have 8 ft long
sides and 30 in will be 30 in high. It
[21:22] will be approximately 20 ft across.
But next
[21:28] I will be uh it will be an octagon with
8 ft long blue sides and ADA door,
[21:34] rubber flooring with holes for drainage
and a notch to get in easier and dark
[21:38] blue corners hinges. The the sample up
here with the red hinges, it would be
[21:43] that but with the blue hinges on the
right.
[21:48] Next,
who will pay? Donations will be
[21:51] forthcoming from friends in the scouting
community, family, and I would accept
[21:56] donations from for the project from
anyone here.
[22:02] Official what or what I need? Official
approval from the West Scotian Township
[22:07] Board, the Chester County Council,
um, and the location of where the donors
[22:12] have unofficially lined up can send
their donations. a mailing address for
[22:16] the donations via check, cash, and if
possible, a place for credit card
[22:20] donations. The company Coach Cliff Gaga
Ball Pits will require full payment in
[22:25] order to ship the materials. I complete
uh a completed Pennsylvania sales tax um
[22:32] exemption form, a total amount of
$8,329.
[22:37] If the PA sales and tax exempt form and
501c number is provided, the amount
[22:43] would be 4 71 less.
Next,
[22:48] when this when will this be completed? I
would love to get this built by
[22:53] November. My project is pending West
Ocean Township approval, Chester County
[22:57] Council approval, and arrival of the
full amount of funding, full payment to
[23:02] the supplier, and availability of
materials, shipment to West Ocean and
[23:06] weather. Do you guys have any questions?
>> Thank you, Walter. Very good. Um, so let
[23:13] me see. Does the board have any
questions for Walter about this project?
[23:17] » Sure, Walter. So, is this like the
standard size for a Gaga ball pit?
[23:22] » Um, this is a pretty standard size. This
one will be a little bit bigger though.
[23:26] That way we can accommodate for more
people
[23:29] » and like will camp kids be playing in
it, things like that.
[23:33] » Yeah, currently the the Cooper Smith
Parks day camp uses inflatable Gaga ball
[23:38] pit. So, this would replace that. And if
any of those kids want to do it on their
[23:43] free time, they'll be able to do that.
>> That's great. Thank you.
[23:46] » So, would it be in the exact same place
is where the inflatable one is put up or
[23:50] do you have a different location in
mind?
[23:52] » Uh, it is planned to be built at the
exact same place where the current one
[23:57] is, the inflatable one.
>> And it would be um it would be
[24:02] permanent. It would be there all year
round available for everyone.
[24:04] » Yes, it would be permanent.
>> Okay. And what kind of maintenance is
[24:07] required for it? Um,
I can't think of any maintenance because
[24:13] the mats would like probably make sure
or would make sure that the grass or
[24:17] anything would not go through and we're
using composite lumber, so it's like
[24:21] plastic, so it should last like 40ome
years.
[24:24] » Okay. Anyone else with a question?
>> Uh, yeah. Is the inflatable the same the
[24:28] current inflatable the same size as the
one that you're proposing? Uh, it's
[24:32] about the same size, but apparently the
uh the staff at the day camp have to
[24:39] bring out the inflatable every single
day and they have to take it home every
[24:42] single night. So, it' be saving them
some time.
[24:44] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[24:48] » Have you started receiving donations
yet?
[24:50] » Uh, I'm not allowed to receive donations
yet till I get approval from the West
[24:54] Coast Township.
>> I have a question for Chris. Chester
[24:58] County counts. Chester County, we
talking about their approval would be
[25:02] needed for this. Walter seems to think
so.
[25:04] » Yeah, that's that's where I was a little
bit confused.
[25:08] » I need
>> Yeah, I need my Boy Scout council's
[25:10] approval.
>> Got it. Thank you. And then um so I got
[25:15] a little bit of sticker shock when I saw
how much money you needed to raise. And
[25:18] I before this meeting, I did a quick
Google look as to what Gaga pits might
[25:23] cost. I don't think the ones I looked at
were as good as and nice as what you
[25:28] showed here today, but they were
substantially cheaper. So, I wondered if
[25:32] you'd done any evaluation yet on how to
get the price a little lower for just so
[25:36] you can make it easier on yourself to
raise the the money that you need.
[25:41] Um,
these ones are like the best ones that
[25:45] they have out there and a lot of the
cost is just coming from the like the
[25:51] composite lumber, but that's makes it
sure that it will last for a very long
[25:56] time, not have to be replaced.
>> Okay. So, two other questions maybe for
[26:00] Chris, I think. So, typically we do not
like to be the recipient of fundraising
[26:06] here at the township. So unfortunately
on that Walter, we would look to the Boy
[26:11] Scouts to be the ones managing the
collection of the donations. We don't
[26:16] like to have the situation where we have
staff at the township receiving money
[26:20] and making sure it's kept separate from
our accounts and everything else. So
[26:25] it's best, I think, would you agree,
Chris, that the Boy Scouts manage the
[26:29] process of your fundraising?
>> And then secondly, one question I do
[26:34] have though is maybe to help try to
lower the cost. I asked Ken this earlier
[26:38] is is if the township was once you
raised the money, if the township was to
[26:43] procure this through our co-stars
um type pricing, would we get a better
[26:48] price than has been quoted to to Walter?
What do you think?
[26:53] » We can look into that
>> because then we could purchase it and
[26:56] you would just reimburse the township
for it. We could certainly go out and
[27:00] get a competitive price for you against
what you've been quoted from so far and
[27:04] see if we can get a lower a lower price
>> for the same design that you want.
[27:10] » Oh,
>> you [clears throat] have to give us the
[27:12] specifications for exactly what you
wanted and what you can quote it and
[27:15] then we can see if we can get a better
price.
[27:17] » All right, I can do that. Uh,
>> and then Boy Scouts need to we need to
[27:24] fund raise the money and just hand it
over to you guys then. But you would
[27:27] fund raise the money and then if you if
we don't get a better price, you would
[27:31] purchase the uh equipment yourself and
then we would just lay with you for the
[27:35] installation.
>> If we can get a better price, it has to
[27:38] be procured it through a municipal uh
purchase order. Then we would purchase
[27:44] it and you would reimburse us from what
you fund raise for the for the amount.
[27:48] » Uh
>> but we'll get you the price that we can
[27:51] get it for and see if it's better than
what you've already got. Does that sound
[27:54] reasonable?
>> That sounds reasonable. There are two
[27:56] generally two companies that we've
utilized through co-stars. Um, General
[28:00] Recreation, they provided the quote for
the splash pad. They also did the skate
[28:04] park project and um, Boyce Recreation.
Um, they're doing the playground change
[28:10] out at South Conquered Crest Park. So,
we can look for both of them,
[28:13] » but we won't compromise your design. You
tell us exactly what it is you're
[28:17] looking for in terms of the design, the
quality if you want, and we will make
[28:20] sure we get pricing for the equivalent
design for you. Okay.
[28:25] » Okay.
>> Any other questions for Walter?
[28:28] » Ken has a question.
>> Ken,
[28:30] » just to clarify, um Walter did indicate
at the park and recreation board meeting
[28:35] that for scout projects, they typically
team up with a 501c3 organization to
[28:40] take care of the fundraising and the the
payment distributions. Uh at that
[28:45] meeting where Jerry Napichek and Susan
Batton representing the friends of West
[28:49] Ocean Parks and they did agree that the
friends of West Ocean Parks would
[28:53] partner. So it would not be a township.
>> Okay. Well, that's the solution to that
[28:57] then, right? I believe. Yeah. Chris, you
would be okay with that, right?
[29:02] » Independent. Yep.
>> They're an independent 501c3.
[29:05] » Okay. Is there anyone here in attendance
who has a question for Walter's project?
[29:11] » Yes, Suzanne.
>> Uh, so I love games. I've never heard of
[29:15] that. So, I was wondering how you can
help others in the community to learn
[29:19] what it is and how to play so that the
community can make the most of it. So,
[29:23] with the Gaga ball pit we currently
have, it will have a little tiny sign on
[29:27] site to show you all the rules so people
can learn how to play and if they
[29:30] already know how to play, they can get a
refresher.
[29:36] » Great answer.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[29:38] » Anyone else with a question?
Well, thank you. Fabulous presentation.
[29:42] We look forward to working with you and
trying to make this happen as soon as we
[29:45] can.
>> Mr. Chairman, I I think there should be
[29:47] a vote to approve the the installation.
>> Sounds good. All right. So, as a board
[29:52] member, I will want to make a motion to
approve the uh installation of a gargle
[29:58] pit at Cooper Smith Park as part of the
Boy Scouts project for Walter Conrad.
[30:03] » Second.
>> Okay, so Nate's made the motion and Tina
[30:06] is second. Is there any public comment
or questions about the motion?
[30:10] Okay, then we'll take a vote. All in
favor say I. I. Is there anyone opposed?
[30:15] [clears throat]
>> Hearing none, the motion passes 40.
[30:18] Thank you, Walter.
>> Thank you very much. You're welcome to
[30:21] stay. [applause]
[30:25] You're welcome to stay and enjoy the
rest of the meeting. Or if you've got
[30:28] other things you'd rather be doing, no
problem. [laughter]
[30:32] » Walter, do you need Do you need a letter
from me confirming the board's approval?
[30:36] » Um,
>> so I can get you that tomorrow. It's not
[30:38] a problem.
>> I need to get something signed from
[30:41] Eagle Scout papers.
>> Okay. Yeah, just send me send me
[30:43] whatever you need signed and I'll take
care of it for you.
[30:46] » Thank you very much.
Very good. So, we'll move on to agenda
[30:52] item number five. Discussion and
possible approval of a request from
[30:56] Westchester University for use of
fireworks firework displays during home
[31:01] football games on September the 12th and
October the 17th, 2026.
[31:06] Chris,
>> Mr. Chairman, before the board this
[31:09] evening is a request from Westchester
University to open fireworks displays
[31:13] during their home football games on
September 12th and October 17th. We have
[31:18] representatives from the university here
this evening to discuss this and answer
[31:21] any questions that the board may have.
Um the university is following the same
[31:25] procedures for this display as were
outlined for the RAM rally that was
[31:28] approved on July 21st. Um it's my
understanding that these will this these
[31:34] events will be smaller and shorter
displays than what was done for the RAM
[31:38] rally. Additionally, the university has
secured agreements with Good Fellowship
[31:42] Ambulance Company for coverage and
provided a diagram of the location to be
[31:45] utilized. Uh they've also submitted a
special event submitted special event
[31:49] permit application to the township and
I've spoken with our fire marshal Mike
[31:53] McCarthy who advised that um that
provided they are following the same
[31:57] procedures as the ram rally he does not
have any concerns with this event. So
[32:02] I'll bring up the information that they
provided.
[32:21] So this is where the uh where everything
will be launched from. Um generally it's
[32:28] the same exact location as was approved
for the RAM rally back in July that was
[32:32] held in August.
>> Thank you Chris. Welcome Julianne. I'm
[32:38] sorry.
>> My name is Kim Farah.
[32:40] » Nice nice to meet you. Thank you for
being here. Does the board have any
[32:43] questions for Julio Kim?
>> Yeah. So, I mean, it seems like you guys
[32:47] come before us a lot to ask for
permission for sort of the same thing.
[32:51] I'm just wondering if there's a
requirement that we have to approve
[32:55] every one of these individually if we
can have some understanding that, you
[32:59] know, certain times of the year they'll
be doing fireworks displays like home
[33:03] games or during homecoming. Or how does
the board feel about that? And do we
[33:07] have to evaluate these every time they
come to us? Because I don't see anything
[33:11] really changing.
>> There is nothing required in terms of
[33:16] board approval. It's just been past
practice. So if the board would like to
[33:20] change that as a policy direction, that
is certainly within the board's ballot.
[33:23] » I would be okay with that as long as the
none of the conditions or terms or
[33:28] requirements within that don't change.
But if they do for whatever reason,
[33:33] maybe you want bigger display or
something, then I think approval should
[33:37] come back
>> and give it for our fire marshall and
[33:40] everybody else that needs to go through.
>> Other than that, I I think we can
[33:43] standardize it.
>> Yeah, there's some sort of agreement
[33:45] maybe that we can draft that we can kind
of come to an agreement. Yeah. As long
[33:49] as it's, you know, to certain
conditions, certain times of year, that
[33:54] way we don't have to keep bringing you
guys out here. as much as we love to see
[33:57] him. [laughter]
>> Was
[34:01] this a recent decision to add these two?
Because obviously you could have
[34:04] requested it when you came for the
original
[34:07] » uh you know
um is having I'm the director of student
[34:11] engagement. So um the university is
having a bigger push for our home
[34:15] football games to increase engagement
both from the community as well as our
[34:19] current students. Um and so last year we
built them up a little bit by adding
[34:23] some more events for students. We also
have a kids zone at every home football
[34:27] game for community members. And so this
year to just make it a little bit
[34:31] bigger, we were just hoping to have
fireworks to conclude our first home
[34:35] game um as well as the last home game um
that's at nighttime because the
[34:40] university moved our home games um
except for homecoming and family weekend
[34:44] to be at 6 p.m. to hopefully have some
more engagement um from students in the
[34:49] community. So it's also different
because it's a nighttime game.
[34:55] So to your point I think in other words
this is actually smaller in terms of the
[34:59] display the phone games
>> um versus the RAM route or the the
[35:03] welcome you want to be initially. So I
think to your as long as those
[35:07] parameters like maximum up or something
like that seems
[35:11] » just wondering approximately what time
would the fireworks go off. So, I talked
[35:16] to um Terry Bey, who's the athletics
director, and he said probably around
[35:20] 900 p.m. Um, and it would only be for 8
minutes. Okay.
[35:24] » And the community is welcome to attend
the game and view the fireworks as well.
[35:28] » Is there any notification I'm sorry, is
there any notification that you're
[35:32] required to do to the nearby residents
and all?
[35:35] » No, but for best practice, we sometimes
put up like yard signs and things in the
[35:40] entrances of the neighborhood. Um, we
also monitor social media and I will say
[35:44] for REM rally in some of the Facebook
groups, people seem very informed about
[35:48] what was happening. You know, people
were saying, "What are the fireworks?"
[35:50] And and people were saying, "Oh, they're
to welcome the new students at the
[35:53] stadium." So, I feel like people seemed
to know um especially cuz we've done
[35:57] that a couple years, but we do have
plans to um have yard signs and say like
[36:01] come to the football game and put them
kind of around the neighborhood um
[36:05] particularly around the stadium. But
yeah,
[36:08] » uh, understanding the nature of
football, sometimes it multiple over
[36:13] times, is it possible to put
>> like a time limit as to when they could
[36:19] go up, maybe 10:00, no later than 10:00?
>> So, they would I can kind of they would
[36:25] be subject to our noise ordinance
provision. So, if that were to happen,
[36:28] the noise ordinance would kick in and
would pretty much bar them from doing
[36:32] it.
>> All right.
[36:34] Do we have a fireworks provision in our
ordinance?
[36:39] » I don't know off the top of my head the
fireworks provisions
[36:43] » is that something worth having so that
instead of an agreement we have just
[36:48] guidelines or requirements.
[36:56] Like I'm not actually even clear on what
the law the state the state law for
[37:00] fireworks is right now and what people
are permitted to do as far as fireworks.
[37:04] Who can set them off? When they can set
them off. So can anybody set off
[37:08] fireworks?
>> No, it depends on what like sparkler
[37:10] type fireworks or definitions in the
fireworks law.
[37:13] » So the the ones that like go off.
>> Yeah. The ones that they're talking
[37:16] about you have to have a license.
>> Yeah. The man has a license. Yeah. And I
[37:19] will say like our purchasing department
is extremely thorough and so we make
[37:25] sure that like we give them they won't
even put a contract through if we don't
[37:28] have um licenses from the fireworks
company and you know
[37:34] » ammunition what's going on
>> exactly what's happening. So and COIs
[37:37] and everything like that. So at least on
the university side we would never put
[37:41] something out on our end that wasn't
like completely legal.
[37:45] » Exactly.
>> Okay. So it sounds like we've got two
[37:48] things to do. wanted to review and
consider approving this tonight and then
[37:51] also as a followup but she's to try to
come up with some language that just
[37:55] kind of sets this as to what would be a
normal for you so you don't have to do
[37:59] this every year
>> that would be awesome. Yeah, I would say
[38:02] like the welcome back event is a is a
time a normal time and then probably
[38:08] these football games, but other than
that, we don't normally have anything
[38:11] else throughout the year, but it will be
nice, I think, to have something um that
[38:15] we could share with our purchasing
department as well because they don't
[38:18] put it through unless we give them the
township agreement as well. So, um
[38:24] external.
>> Yeah, got us. Okay.
[38:26] » Okay. So, that's a followup quiz for
that second item. And then obviously
[38:30] today we're looking at Is there a board
member willing to make a motion to
[38:34] approve the request from Westchester
University for the use of fireworks
[38:37] during those two home football games on
September the 12th and October the 17th?
[38:42] » So just real quick,
>> I'll make that motion. Oh, go ahead.
[38:44] » I just wanted to address question. So
our fireworks provisions generally
[38:48] mirror the state law and they regulate
how far you have to be from like
[38:52] residential dwelling units to shoot them
off. But there is no provisions related
[38:56] to noise. So our noise ordinance would
default situation. So that would govern
[39:01] it. Um it doesn't say anything about
requiring approval from the board. I
[39:06] think that's just been past practice.
But they do have permits which we can
[39:09] handle through our special permit
process.
[39:11] » Okay.
>> Okay. So we have
[39:13] » Sorry about that.
>> We have a motion from Tina. Is there a
[39:15] second?
>> Second.
[39:17] » Thank you Nate.
>> Uh any questions from the board on the
[39:20] motion? Again this is just to approve
these two upcoming events September 12th
[39:25] October 17th. Is there any public
comments or questions on the motion?
[39:29] Darthy.
>> Yeah. Hi, uh Dorothy Verden. I'm a West
[39:32] Ocean resident and I'm also chair of the
sustainability advisory committee. And I
[39:37] just want to say that fireworks are very
disruptive to animals, to wildlife. And
[39:43] um um unfortunately a lead for my
neighborhood with the nextdoor.com
[39:49] app and there are a lot of fireworks. I
remember that it was Westchester
[39:54] University, but uh weeks before Fourth
of July and for weeks after Fourth of
[40:00] July, they would be set off and they
were loud and big fireworks and it would
[40:05] be, you know, 9:30, 10:00, sometimes
10:30, 11:00 at night and uh people
[40:12] would complain in nextdoor.com how their
dogs would go crazy, their cats, you
[40:18] know, animals would hide under beds and
stuff. So, I just I just want to say
[40:22] that um I wish that you would get like
um drones instead of fireworks because
[40:29] [clears throat] they're just noisy.
They're disruptive and they're really
[40:32] hard on wildlife and um domestic cats.
Thank you.
[40:36] » Thank you, Dorothy. Good comments. Um I
mean, I think it's great that you work
[40:41] with us so we know how many are doing
and that we we we work with fire
[40:45] marshall and everything else. You know,
I think what D is referring to is more
[40:48] presumably individuals letting fireworks
off. I don't think there's that many
[40:54] firework
events, you know, in the month of June
[40:58] or the month of August. It's just that
people have access to these these
[41:02] fireworks. That's my opinion anyway.
>> Well, I'm certainly not from Westchester
[41:06] University.
>> Exactly.
[41:07] » No. No.
>> Okay. Any other comments?
[41:10] » Okay, then we'll take a vote. All in
favor say I.
[41:13] » I. Is there any opposition?
[clears throat] Motion passes 40. Thank
[41:17] you for your time.
>> Thank you very much. Thanks.
[41:21] » Agenda item number six is discussion
regarding zoning hearing board
[41:25] application [clears throat] number 11
2026 for Chester County Hospital seeking
[41:29] a variance from section 846786
of the West Ocean Township zoning
[41:34] ordinance.
>> Good evening. My name is Elizabeth
[41:38] Whitmer. I'm with the law firm of Sally
Euing. I have with me tonight uh Mr.
[41:43] Flickinger from Chester County Hospital.
He's the COO of the hospital to answer
[41:49] any questions you have. We're here
seeking a variance because we have a uh
[41:55] temporary MRI facility that's right in
front of the hospital near the emergency
[42:00] room. Um Chris, if you could go to this
picture. I think it's the best one.
[42:09] » Uh one back. There we go. Um, so if you
drive past the hospital on Marshall
[42:14] Street, you've seen it because it's
surrounded by orange barriers. Uh, the
[42:20] reason that it's there is because
there's an incredible demand for MRI
[42:26] services in Chester County. Uh,
particularly with uh some of the
[42:31] hospitals closing, a lot of that uh
patient population is now served by
[42:36] Chester County Hospital. In 2024, they
came to the township and got a temporary
[42:42] permit to have these temporary MRI
facilities. While they started a search
[42:48] for where to install them permanently,
um they did get one additional uh
[42:55] extension of that temporary permit,
which is permitted under your permits
[43:00] ordinance uh 84-67.
uh the staff can only approve one
[43:06] extension of the permit and the hospital
was unable to find the appropriate
[43:12] location for these MRI facilities. Mr.
Flickinger can explain to you first of
[43:19] all the incredible use of this facility,
but also why it's not going in the
[43:24] hospital and why they're looking for an
appropriate place, a permanent home for
[43:29] these facilities, likely um in a place
where they can be easily accessed by
[43:36] oncology practices. MRIs are now used
traditionally with oncology practices.
[43:42] Um, and so under your ordinance, because
your uh staff can only issue one
[43:49] extension, we actually have to go to the
zoning hearing board and get a variance.
[43:53] And we're seeking a variance for two
more years. We hope the MRI facility
[43:59] will not be there for the entire two
years. And we completely understand that
[44:06] um you know the limit of the extension
will be 2 years um for us to find
[44:11] another home. So we're happy to answer
any questions you have.
[44:17] » Thank you. Questions from the board.
>> I have a question. Why why could the
[44:21] permit only be issued for one year and
then one year etc? Why couldn't it be a
[44:25] permanent permit? Is it does it not meet
I mean you didn't get variances for this
[44:28] did you?
>> No we didn't. We didn't. Why can't it be
[44:31] considered a permanent for as long as
you need it to be there? I'm not
[44:34] understanding that from a permit
perspective.
[44:37] » It's not a it's not a permanent
attachment to the building. Uh they
[44:42] didn't even go through a variance
analysis for what it would take to, you
[44:47] know, build what is essentially an extra
room.
[44:51] » I don't think they could have issued a
zoning permit if it didn't meet zoning
[44:53] requirements. So that's I'm very
confused by this application to be
[44:56] honest.
>> Well, you already obtained the various
[44:59] » they have. [clears throat] No, she's
saying they did not. They don't have
[45:01] variances. They just got a permit. And I
guess there's something in our language.
[45:04] The zoning permit's only valid for one
year.
[45:08] » Temporary zoning permits are only valid
for one year. The zoning officer can
[45:11] extend it for one year to be on
temporary structures are designed to be
[45:17] not temporary. So, not fixed or
permanent to the property. So Shel's
[45:22] essentially reached the maximum level of
her authority under the zoning ordinance
[45:26] and they're still going there to go. I
guess what I'm asking is do we know if
[45:29] that was to be considered more
permanent? And I know you're saying it
[45:33] doesn't have a foundation, so it's not
necessarily a permanent structure, but
[45:36] as far as a permitting, if it meets all
of our code requirements, why couldn't
[45:40] it be considered a non-temporary permit?
Because what happens in two years, you
[45:44] know, again, I don't want to speak for
the board. I don't know if you care
[45:47] about this being like that, but it just
seems administratively hassle for you to
[45:52] have to do this. I'm just seeing if
there's a way if it if it otherwise
[45:55] beats zoning, why couldn't it be
considered a permanent permit?
[45:58] » Well, is it a temporary structure?
>> It's a truck. So, yes, it's a it's like
[46:03] a trailer. It's a temporary structure.
>> Uh it's it was never intended to be
[46:09] permanent. And um I I haven't analyzed
this, but there are other requirements
[46:16] that apply to it, including approvals
from the Pennsylvania State Department
[46:21] of Health, which has not approved this
as a permanent installation at Chester
[46:25] County Hospital. It will be approved
somewhere else. We have identified other
[46:30] locations. We've looked at, you know,
the regular suspects for Fern Hill, some
[46:36] of the other medical locations, but
uh this MRI is being used, I think, for
[46:42] at least 100 MRIs a week. Um it's
basically 247 operation.
[46:50] It will still have really heavy
operation elsewhere, but it's not truly
[46:54] appropriate for the hospital because
>> it's going to stay in his truck. It's
[46:58] going to stay in a truck or you're
looking.
[46:59] » No, we're going to put it in a permanent
office allied with one of the likely one
[47:05] of the oncology practices in the county
to make it more convenient for oncology
[47:11] patients. But it's not easy to find a
location where it's close to the
[47:17] oncology providers and where we can also
find the appropriate staff to staff it
[47:22] as long as possible. Um, part of the
reason it can operate continuously is
[47:27] because it's at the hospital, but that's
not really the goal. The goal is to
[47:31] serve the appropriate patient
population, which are the ones who are
[47:35] going to see their oncologist. So,
uh, the hospital's been through a surge
[47:41] again. Shane can provide more
information about that. We're confident
[47:46] we can do it within the next two years.
Frankly, having to do it in 2024 was a
[47:51] little bit of a surprise, but it was
because of the incredible increased
[47:56] demand because of the closing of other
medical medical facilities in our county
[48:00] and in Delaware County. Uh, and frankly,
there's also increased demand. It wasn't
[48:07] used the way they're used today,
particularly for oncology.
[48:12] Um, is there anything you'd want to add,
Chie? Yeah, I think you know when you
[48:16] look at our demand, we've had
year-over-year growth. If you go for I
[48:20] guess here, we've had year-over-year
growth. So, if you look in June of 2023,
[48:27] we did uh in that entire 12-month
period, 23,343
[48:33] MRIs. In June of this year, we finished
at 29,728.
[48:39] Um if you look at our data she mentioned
we can do 250 exams a month and right
[48:45] now when you look at it even with this
expansion uh our third appointment out
[48:51] which is the industry standard of
essentially how you measure your
[48:55] scheduling uh for a noncontrast MRI it's
29 days and for a contrast it's 56.4.
[49:03] So we haven't made a dent. um it has had
um profound impacts on our oncology
[49:09] population because MRI has become a a
standard uh and is really growing. Um so
[49:16] there's obviously other health systems
in the area building ambulatory
[49:20] locations and that is where we have been
in our strategic planning process of
[49:23] figuring out where we're going. Uh but
we do have identified locations
[49:28] potentially at Fern Hill uh and North
Hills which is also adjacent to keep it
[49:34] in here. um plus others in the area. So,
we did go to the Department of Health,
[49:39] they granted us three years, we're one
year into that um because they too from
[49:44] all of the Pennsylvania Department of
Health guidelines have specific
[49:48] guidelines. So, even the roof that you
saw here was largely from a patient
[49:52] experience perspective. We were having
some um water issues when patients were
[49:57] walking out, but it's tied into our fire
systems and otherwise like that. So this
[50:01] is not an ideal situation. Um but we
have not had any issues and are fully
[50:07] utilizing it. So we are very confident
certainly hope to not still be in this
[50:12] space in two years. Um and we're not
looking for a scenario either where we
[50:16] would get a new location and keep it.
We're going to keep moving forward.
[50:20] » If you have another facil or find
another facility within next year or
[50:23] two, will it also be 247 where the MRI
will be utilized for?
[50:28] » So that is very interesting. Um,
as much demand as there is, we have
[50:34] actually added weekend hours at some of
our locations, but trying to hire people
[50:39] who want to work weekends and nights is
quite a feat. No matter how much money
[50:45] you throw at them, but we have expanded
on weekends. We will continue to run the
[50:49] hospital until 11:00 at night. We have
outpatients that come in until 11:00 at
[50:53] night. That will maintain. What we may
do for the community in some of those
[50:57] things is there are lower end MRIs that
are quicker. Orthopedic MRIs are
[51:03] quicker. You can cram more of them in
which would free up capacity in the
[51:08] hospital. So, we're going to continue to
expand and we there's no plans to not be
[51:14] using the hospital until 11:00 at night,
but and we're continuing to look at we
[51:19] have expanded. Oxton has tremendous
demand. Uh we've also found that
[51:24] patients who live in Axton will wait to
have their MRI in accent. Um so we have
[51:29] expanded in different areas and continue
to do that but the limitation is um MRI
[51:35] technologists.
>> Has been any um accidents or safety
[51:40] incidents near misses with ambulances or
you know people traffic in this general
[51:45] area since you had it in operation?
>> No, we have not. Um that was certainly a
[51:50] concern going in but we have not had any
issues with that.
[51:53] » Okay. If you actually can when you get
into that unit you come out under that
[51:57] uh overhang
>> you would actually you would come in the
[52:01] back and so the door that comes out into
that is the radiology hallway. So you
[52:06] would never actually go outside. There's
actually a door there as well on the
[52:11] outside. So it's
>> like a little cubicle. And so you come
[52:15] in through the hospital, you have
outpatient radiology, and you come in
[52:18] through a hallway. So you're not
reporting up through that.
[52:21] » Got it.
>> Yes. Thank you.
[52:23] » So I would actually be in favor of
supporting this um application and not
[52:27] remaining neutral. I think is incredibly
important. Everything you shared here
[52:31] tonight um is shocking. In fact, to hear
that there's such demand and that you
[52:37] guys are having to work out of this
truck here. Um, so yeah, I would I would
[52:42] support supporting the application.
>> I remember when you came for this, I
[52:46] think originally it was during COVID, I
believe, was when these hospitals were
[52:49] shutting down and we waved land
development and gave you some expedited
[52:53] permitting or something. So sorry, I
don't remember the details.
[52:57] » I don't
e
[53:01] » that was for an expansion of the
emergency room.
[53:04] » Was this part of it though?
>> No, this came later. This wasn't it
[53:08] started in 2024 when it became apparent
that
[53:12] » and this just went through Shelby. It
didn't come to you because it was just a
[53:15] temporary permit. That's
>> okay. That's what we that's what All
[53:19] right. Well, actually made a point there
is what are the other board members
[53:22] thoughts on that? You want to support
this application in front of the zoning
[53:25] hearing board?
>> Yes, I support this application. Well
[53:28] needed.
>> I agree.
[53:30] » Okay. So, the majority of the board is
in favor of not being neutral on your
[53:34] application. the zoning hearing board
but in favor of grant the zoning hearing
[53:38] board granting your application. So we
can make that known to them.
[53:43] » Yeah. J make a motion and your manager
to make a
[53:48] » send a letter in support of it.
>> Okay. So let let's get a motion on the
[53:52] table here. Ashley, you want to make a
motion?
[53:54] » Yes. I will make a motion to have Chris
send the zoning hearing board a letter
[53:59] indicating that the board of supervisors
supports this application.
[54:03] » Very good. Thank you. I will second
that. Is there any public comment or
[54:07] questions on the motion?
>> Yes.
[54:11] » I wanted to thank you for your
perspective. I just wanted to comment
[54:14] that I'm a a resident here from Colorado
and uh suffer from some pretty severe
[54:20] debilitating sciatica um as a result of
unfortunately struggling too much snow
[54:26] in a week there. And um having moved
here and trying to seek care for
[54:31] sciatica, having gone down to Pet
Medicine in Reder about 3 weeks ago and
[54:36] told the students I could get an MRI
because they can't give you any kind of
[54:40] treatment without their own MRI would be
the end of September. I ended up in
[54:45] Kennet Square and that was the earliest
I could find. And it is incredibly
[54:50] debilitating to be waiting for MRIs for
what ultimately will be a diagnosis of
[54:55] like a routine corticost injection in
your back. But it's I was shocked to
[55:01] find out that that's that's the time
just
[55:06] » thank you for your comment. Anyone else
with a question or comment?
[55:09] » Okay, then we'll take a vote. All in
favor say I. I. Is there any opposition?
[55:14] Hearing none passes 4.
>> I will
[55:20] support the application.
>> Thanks Chris.
[55:25] » Okay, we're on to agenda item number
seven which is discussion regarding a
[55:29] storm sewer pipe replacement project at
1237 1239 Strasport Road. Chris
[55:39] So,
[55:44] I'll bring up an aerial rendering
momentarily.
[55:48] So, before the board this evening is
discussion regarding a storm sewer pipe
[55:52] replacement at 1237 1239 Straburg Road
uh to provide some background
[55:56] information. The owner of 1237 Strawburg
Road contacted the township about a
[56:01] sinkhole in her sidey yard. Uh we
provided an aerial outlining pipe
[56:05] location. Uh upon investigation, the
hole was roughly uh 2 feet by 2 ft wide
[56:11] and 4t deep. Um and there was a piece of
plywood placed over it. Uh the township
[56:16] did go out and place weighted barrels
over the plywood for safety reasons. Uh
[56:20] since then, the sinkhole has widened and
additional safety precautions have been
[56:24] taken. Uh the hole is in alignment with
a storm inlet on Straburg Road, which is
[56:29] a stateowned road. uh then to the back
of the residence yard entering a small
[56:34] stream in the Boxeller neighborhood. Uh
Mark Burlami, our public works director,
[56:38] reviewed the subdivision plan for that
area and it does not show a storm sewer
[56:41] easement for this pipeline. Um as
followup, uh Mark contacted the
[56:47] township's assistant [clears throat]
highway or the assistant highway manager
[56:51] for this area with the Pennsylvania
Department of Transportation. Uh they
[56:54] videotaped the pipe which showed CMP
failure along the bottom but stated via
[57:00] email that Pendot would not repair the
entire run and also would not consider a
[57:04] joint project with the township. They
did say that they would replace the
[57:08] storm grade if needed and authorized the
township to proceed with replacement if
[57:12] desired. The inlet box has four pipes
entering from the southeast and west
[57:17] directions all coming from the Pendot
rightway. The first 20 feet of pipe
[57:21] coming off the inlet box towards the
sinkhole is a 24 inch diameter HDP pipe
[57:28] before transitioning to all CMP. In
reviewing the video, we did review a
[57:32] video of the of the situation. It
appears that the CMP has completely
[57:37] deteriorated as there's a large void
after exiting an HDP pipe. Um, we are
[57:42] proposing a replacement of the pipe in
this location using the public works
[57:46] department staff. Uh, Mr. Berlami has
outlined
[57:51] has outlined the cost if the board were
to authorize that. The total estimated
[57:56] cost would be $11,593
for the um for the material needed and
[58:03] would take approximately 2 to 3 weeks to
complete. Um it's not anticipated, but
[58:09] if the township's excavator can't cannot
dig deep enough, we would need to rent a
[58:13] larger one for $6,000.
Um outside of the actual material cost,
[58:18] there would also need to be there would
also be an easement prepared. Um Carol
[58:23] Engineering has provided a scope of work
to prepare the necessary easement. Um
[58:27] which would be at a cost of $4,68.
We have spoken with the property owners,
[58:32] both of whom would [clears throat] be
amanable to granting an easement to the
[58:35] township. Um, and I want to let the
board know that the prices do not
[58:39] include the cost of repairing the
proposed plan set outlining the pipe
[58:43] design and erosion and sedimentation
controls. Um, and speaking with Shawn
[58:48] Daniels at Carol Engineering, he said
that that would be fairly simple and
[58:51] would probably take a day or two to
complete. Um, and our assistant public
[58:55] works director, Mike Kakabo, is here
tonight to answer any questions that the
[58:58] board may have. And I will bring up the
aerial image that I referenced
[59:01] momentarily.
[59:09] So this is the image of both properties.
1237 Straussburg Road is indicated on is
[59:16] indicated on the um on the right hand
side outlined in red. The pipe is
[59:21] outlined in green. As you can see, it
runs back and it discharges to the
[59:24] stream area on the rear of the property.
The inlet boxes are the green rectangle
[59:29] shown um and the inlet area is shown on
Straussburg Road. Um the lot the
[59:35] property boundary is generally where the
pipe is. So it extends a little bit into
[59:41] the area to be surveyed sends it a
little bit into the neighboring
[59:43] property.
>> So which portion does Pendot own?
[59:49] » They so they own the entire right of way
of Straburg Road. So essentially from
[59:55] this
right about where this inland box is
[59:59] like this white line here to this white
line here. So that's PennDOT's right
[1:00:04] » and the rest is us.
>> Well, the rest is priv the rest is
[1:00:07] private property. But we've taken the
opinion that through guidance that if D
[1:00:13] were to come were to come to the
township, it' ultimately say it's our
[1:00:16] responsibility because it's taking
discharge from a public roadway and then
[1:00:20] discharging it into a water in the
Commonwealth.
[1:00:24] And where we've had issues with CMP pipe
failures or potential failures or we've
[1:00:28] done lining projects, we've run lining
across in pipe that extends into private
[1:00:33] property as part of that repair.
Correct.
[1:00:36] » That's correct.
>> He videoed the part of the pipe that
[1:00:39] belongs to Pendot.
>> Correct. So we videoed Well, I believe
[1:00:44] Mike might correct me if I'm wrong.
Pendot did the video. Correct.
[1:00:47] » They were there with us. We video
camera.
[1:00:48] » Okay. So we did it with Penn Dot along
with us. Okay.
[1:00:52] » Yes. in the pipe that's in there right
away.
[1:00:54] » Correct.
>> And they're not paying anything about
[1:00:56] it.
>> And they're not paying for it. They
[1:00:58] never Why are they allowed to do that?
>> Because they're pend
[1:01:03] letter they signed in 2008 that said any
of the drainage facilities and pend
[1:01:06] roads is the township responsibility.
You have to be the permit. So they just
[1:01:11] that regulates that.
>> No.
[1:01:14] » No. It's uh
>> not then who regulates them
[1:01:17] » and who you go to for that? pens will be
regulated, I would assume, by the state
[1:01:21] legisl.
[1:01:25] » So, is there any I mean, I don't want to
get into the weeds in this, but it's
[1:01:29] crazy to me that PENDOT isn't
responsible for repairing their storm
[1:01:33] pipe
>> or they're not
[1:01:37] » not something that's
>> and they're not liable if it causes an
[1:01:39] accident.
>> That's not what we're saying.
[1:01:42] » But would they be? I mean, I think that
they would. that there's sovereign
[1:01:44] immunity and then there's exceptions to
sovereign immunity and whether or not a
[1:01:47] failed pipe that they knew about they
probably could be but it would have to
[1:01:51] be within the boundaries of the land
that they own.
[1:01:55] » It's a similar situation to the storm
water facilities that were installed in
[1:01:58] the West Coast shopping center Pike uh
for the redevelopment that was done.
[1:02:03] They had to we had to sign off that for
them.
[1:02:08] » Is it worth ever pushing back and saying
they're not going to change? Ashley,
[1:02:12] you're not the first municipality to try
to get
[1:02:14] » I'm not saying we're the first, but I'm
saying that we should.
[1:02:16] » We have tried. We have tried on I have
tried on numerous occasions for numerous
[1:02:20] municipal clients to get Pendot to take
responsibility for failing durish
[1:02:23] credits within Pendot rights away. You
will not get them to change. You're
[1:02:26] welcome to try again and you can go on
record.
[1:02:29] » I just I don't I don't like accepting
those sorts of status quos.
[1:02:35] I'm sorry. I just I I don't like that.
And I don't think that saying rolling
[1:02:40] over and saying, "Okay, well, if you're
not gonna pay for it, I guess without
[1:02:43] pushing back a little bit."
>> Yeah. Then you get the D that's going to
[1:02:47] say the township, if you're allowing
private pipes to go through private
[1:02:50] property that comes from public road,
township, you're responsible as part of
[1:02:54] your MS4 permit. That's what D is going
to tell you.
[1:02:56] » I know, but it's Penn's pipe that's
corroded. They're not going to tell you
[1:03:00] it's pending.
>> Well, we don't go to the private lane.
[1:03:05] » That it's a question because we don't
the these subdivision plans were
[1:03:09] approved before anybody did what we do
now where we identify where the pipes
[1:03:14] are located, who owns it, and who's
responsible to maintain it. They didn't
[1:03:18] do that when these subdivisions went in
place. So, I get these questions
[1:03:21] literally weekly and they're like,
Kristen, who owns the pipe? I don't
[1:03:24] know. Let's go back to the plan. Doesn't
say anything. So then we look at, okay,
[1:03:27] who owns the road where the pipe is?
Panda. Well, Panda say they own that
[1:03:31] pipe? Probably not. It's now going
through a prior property owner who
[1:03:35] bought it not maybe with no knowledge
the pipe was there with nothing on a
[1:03:39] note on a deed or a subdivision plan
that says they're responsible. So then
[1:03:43] you go to the D and they'll say it's
part of your municipal storm sewer
[1:03:47] system. It's collecting storm water from
inlets and public roads. Township, you
[1:03:51] are ultimately responsible. So I'm not
saying you can't go back to PNDOT. I
[1:03:56] think that what you what what you're
gonna find is they're going to tell you
[1:03:58] they're not going to do anything about
it. So then you have a property owner
[1:04:01] who's having coming to you saying help
me. You know, it's a larger issue than a
[1:04:06] single private property owner can handle
and it's a policy decision. You guys
[1:04:09] have no
>> $17,000 problem that involves PenBBOT
[1:04:13] and they're refusing to take any
responsibility for that. And I'm sorry.
[1:04:17] I just think that that's wrong.
>> Hey, this may not be the last one.
[1:04:20] » No, it's not the first one. It won't be
the last.
[1:04:22] » It's not It's not It's not the first
one. And I can tell you it will not be
[1:04:25] the last one.
>> Just so I'm cleared by that,
[1:04:28] » the this existing 24 in HDP pipe that
was put in, did Pend put that piece in
[1:04:34] and then not fix the rest of the pipe?
>> They just fix what was in there right
[1:04:38] away. They just put that
>> They did that recently.
[1:04:40] » I don't know if they did that recently.
>> I don't know when they did that.
[1:04:43] » I'm not sure when they replaced it, but
they did replace their first piece in
[1:04:46] there right away. Tied into the CNP. So
I'm not sure what the connection looks
[1:04:50] like there from the HTV to the CN. So,
>> so they replaced
[1:04:55] » just what was in there right away. That
was it. Just some
[1:04:58] » When was that?
>> I don't I have to go back and check. I'm
[1:05:00] not sure when they replaced it.
>> We've taken responsibility for their
[1:05:05] talk to find out tomorrow when it was
replaced.
[1:05:08] » Okay. Well, I think that's useful
information because if they've already
[1:05:10] taken responsibility of pipes that are
in their rightway, then why can't we
[1:05:14] turn it around and say this is also in
your right way? At least rest of it.
[1:05:18] » No, I'm talking about their piece. I'm
just talking about their piece. So,
[1:05:22] Mike, did they when they replaced their
their piece penda,
[1:05:28] did they hook it into the non-existing
collapsed corrugated pipe?
[1:05:33] » I believe they tried to make a
connection to the CF.
[1:05:36] » That's my point. Yeah. So, obviously it
failed because there's no pipe there to
[1:05:40] connect into.
>> Well, like I said, it's just totally
[1:05:42] corroded, right?
>> So, there's voids everywhere. There's a
[1:05:44] huge thing on our property. So,
>> so it sounds like it would be our
[1:05:48] responsibility. They they replaced their
portion, but they couldn't have anything
[1:05:54] to connect it to.
>> So, we don't know what the connection
[1:05:56] looks like. We have to get in and see
what it looks like. We might, if we do
[1:05:58] get the project, just might rip out
their portion and reconnect because we
[1:06:01] might not make a watertight connection
on the box,
[1:06:03] » right? The size is different.
>> I'm not sure what they did in there. So,
[1:06:06] we get in.
>> Yeah.
[1:06:09] » Well, it's only like 20 ft though that
section.
[1:06:11] » Uh, I believe so. Yeah. 15 or 20 ft is
what this we call six that they found or
[1:06:15] whatever.
>> Okay.
[1:06:18] So my couple of questions. So the um the
180 ft that's mentioned in the the note
[1:06:25] here from Chris that extends this from
the Stratsburg Road right away all the
[1:06:29] way through to the back of the property
>> to where it daylights. Yes. Correct.
[1:06:32] » And that that is the existing run of CMP
that is in place that has failed.
[1:06:36] » Correct. It discharges it to the stream
back there.
[1:06:40] » And what would the discharge point look
like at the stream bank? What would we
[1:06:43] what are you proposing?
>> So that's what we need to figure out. I
[1:06:45] would ask if we would put a head wall
back there or we just keep it coverage
[1:06:48] and put rip wrap or river rock around it
and have it just daylight out there into
[1:06:52] the rip wrap and then into the creek
bed.
[1:06:55] » There's a lot of debris back there that
we have to maneuver around trees and
[1:06:59] stuff stumps and things like that. So we
have to clear a little area back there.
[1:07:03] » And where exactly is a discharge
effluent? uh right at the end of the
[1:07:06] where the tree line is right in the
creek there behind valley where spray
[1:07:10] valley circle is the creek right between
there between those trees and then that
[1:07:15] outlets under Ellis Lane into like the
head wall that east co just replaced
[1:07:19] maybe a couple years ago through Ellis
>> so this is the end
[1:07:24] » it's just daylight right there's no head
wall just the pipe comes out with the
[1:07:26] coverage on top of it so the stream
there flows to the right through that
[1:07:31] wooded area right
>> down towards Ellis
[1:07:35] Yeah. And then in terms of Strasburg
Road, how can you just explain how many
[1:07:40] Chris, if you could go back to Strasburg
Road, could you explain how many inlets
[1:07:42] feed into that? You identified the three
on here, but you said there's there's
[1:07:46] four connections in [music] total.
>> So, yeah. So, they're in line with
[1:07:49] there's a pipe that runs under the
resident's driveway to the uh box in
[1:07:54] question. So, I believe there's like an
old swale there. So, there's a pipe
[1:07:56] buried there that I believe picks up the
ground water and then that pipe bundles
[1:08:00] it into the box here. Then, it goes out
the stream.
[1:08:02] » Okay. So that's to the west of that.
>> Yes. That's correct. That pipe runs
[1:08:07] under that driveway there, which would
probably be looking at this ending
[1:08:11] that's right away as well. So
>> So would the homeowner be responsible
[1:08:16] for the lateral, the cost for the
lateral to be put in to connect to the
[1:08:20] main just like we do with the sewer?
>> No, it's not a sewer. It's just there's
[1:08:24] no main. There's no
>> So it's all one pipe.
[1:08:26] » It's just all pipes. It's just
connection of pipes.
[1:08:29] » I don't know where Pendock fixed the
pipe. Is it was it
[1:08:34] record?
>> It's generally if I'm looking at
[1:08:37] » do your cursor where they fixed it.
>> I'm looking at what Mike provided.
[1:08:46] » I think it's generally my correct is
generally in this area. Correct.
[1:08:51] » So right from Yeah. from the storm inlet
from the road pretty much to their right
[1:08:55] away wherever they ended. However much
pipe they pulled out of there. I'm not
[1:08:58] sure how much how long that pipe run was
that they pulled out. I can verify.
[1:09:02] » They went underneath the road.
>> They went from Can you do
[1:09:05] » just from the box? Just from the box out
to the to the existing CNP.
[1:09:09] » No, right. I think it's right here at
the tour property was the right way.
[1:09:12] » From their box. Yeah.
>> To Yeah. From their rightway. So, it's
[1:09:15] only like 15 ft probably from the inlet
box that they replaced.
[1:09:22] » Well, that was nice of them.
>> Mike, what did you also in this quot you
[1:09:28] have a driveway replacement? Partial
driveway replacement. might be
[1:09:31] necessary. What What's that about?
>> So, where you see the car sitting where
[1:09:34] they have like a jut out there on the
existing driveway. Uh we would need to
[1:09:38] obviously get the excavator in there if
we were digging. So, we might have to
[1:09:41] rip up their
>> I guess it's just I guess it's just a
[1:09:45] gravel drive. I haven't been down there,
but I believe it's a gravel driveway
[1:09:49] that we might just have to sit on top of
and dig up and prepare when we're done.
[1:09:56] » Other questions from the board?
So what's the ask here tonight?
[1:10:02] So based on the cost estimates
[1:10:07] 11 the 11,000 plus the six plus the
4,000 for engineering plus some time
[1:10:14] materials you're looking
[1:10:20] » plus cost to repair
>> plus yeah um if the board would
[1:10:24] authorize $25,000 I think that could
cover
[1:10:34] I just, you know, to Ash's point, do you
try to go to your state reps and learn
[1:10:38] the situation and condition and say,
especially in situations where they fix
[1:10:42] a pipe, but then just let it go into a
pipe that's corroded. What was the point
[1:10:45] of that? All it was was to get it off of
their rightway, say, "Okay, now it's no
[1:10:49] longer on our problem. It's on your
private property. You deal with it."
[1:10:52] » Well, that's consistent with how you
described pendway.
[1:10:55] They'll fix it. It's not there right
away. It's on someone else.
[1:10:58] » It is. But yeah,
>> I think Kristen raises a good point that
[1:11:01] if we put pressure through our state
senator and state representative, then
[1:11:06] maybe that could help with the broader
situation.
[1:11:10] » And you're not proposing to wait until
that happens, are you? You're you're
[1:11:13] proposing to go to your legislator, pay
for this, and then go to your
[1:11:17] legislators for reimbursement. Is that
correct?
[1:11:19] » Well, no, not go for reimbursement. just
to explain if we get reimbured that
[1:11:23] would be fantastic but try and get them
because like I said this is not going to
[1:11:26] be the last one of these situations that
we run into.
[1:11:29] » No but I I could see that taking years
also and don't want to address this
[1:11:33] problem now.
>> Yes.
[1:11:36] Proceed with that option
>> option later.
[1:11:38] » The problem is it's not historical
records to identify who put the pipe in.
[1:11:42] » Like I'm curious did the pipe come in
when the road was built? Did the pipe
[1:11:46] come in when homes were built? Like who
would have put the pipe in?
[1:11:48] » I know. But cannot implicitly accepted
some responsibility for the maintenance
[1:11:54] of this pipe or performing maintenance
on the pipe
[1:11:57] » within it right away
>> within it. Well, no.
[1:12:00] » I think I think the extent of the limits
of what they did sounds like it was
[1:12:04] within
>> it was on their property.
[1:12:06] » Yeah. I thought that that was just their
rightway right there.
[1:12:08] » Yeah, this is their rightway and I
thought it was beyond that.
[1:12:12] » No, it's generally partway but not the
right way.
[1:12:15] » It's probably 33 ft is the roadway. It's
probably 16 and 12. Is that line over?
[1:12:19] Is the right way?
>> So generally generally Tesco views the
[1:12:24] white lines here try to mirror the right
ofway boundary lines. Um so their right
[1:12:31] of way essentially runs these two white
lines here.
[1:12:36] » I just rely upon a chesco map.
>> I don't think that penot I don't think
[1:12:40] that penot can now disclaim
that pipe. I think they've already
[1:12:45] accepted responsibility for it and I
think it is worth pushing back on PENDOT
[1:12:50] and yeah looping in our our legislators.
>> Yeah, I respectfully disagree that
[1:12:54] PEDOT's going to say they've done
anything other than fix what was in
[1:12:57] their rideway. 20 foot se 15T section of
HDP pipe is the standard
[1:13:03] to a private property. They were helping
the private property out. But isn't the
[1:13:06] pipe in their rightway still
>> needing repair?
[1:13:10] » No it doesn't stop. Well, like I don't
want to put words in your mouth, but you
[1:13:16] said that you're not sure about the
connection point. So, we may have to
[1:13:19] replace that.
>> We're not sure till we get in there. I'm
[1:13:21] not sure what they made to the box to
the CN pipe typically like
[1:13:27] grid to connect, which we don't want to
do because it's not sealed up.
[1:13:31] » It sounds like we need more information
on exactly what I have to figure out
[1:13:35] what Pend did, when they did it,
>> figure out the section that they
[1:13:38] replaced. So, I can get that to you
tomorrow.
[1:13:40] » We need to address this problem. I'm not
saying that we let this carry on
[1:13:44] forever, but you know, so I don't know.
>> So what information we requesting? Like
[1:13:50] » where the wipers replaced
>> do
[1:13:54] plans? Do they have plans that showed
the work that they did?
[1:13:58] » Yeah. Public records.
>> We'll find it. I'll do some digging
[1:14:01] tomorrow.
>> What did the CP?
[1:14:04] » Well, the CMP was probably put in when
the subdivision was done that created
[1:14:07] those lots.
>> So what was the subdivision?
[1:14:11] We looked at the subdivision plan. You
guys reached out to me about
[1:14:14] » in like the 80s,
>> I think. So,
[1:14:17] [clears throat]
plans
[1:14:19] » and kind of what Kristen was saying,
unfortunately, the subdivision plans
[1:14:22] that were done prior were not as
detailed as they are now.
[1:14:26] » They didn't even show they didn't even
show easements.
[1:14:29] » Correct.
>> Or pipers for that matter.
[1:14:33] » I mean, so the question is what do we
do? What is the desire of the board as
[1:14:37] it stands with this current situation? I
totally understand. you know, talking to
[1:14:41] our state legislators relating to and
but we do have a situation right now
[1:14:45] with a sinkhole on this property and
looking to do something with it.
[1:14:53] » Well, I think we should fix the
sinkhole. I mean, it's it's a safety
[1:14:56] hazard. You know, you've got people who
could get seriously hurt with it. I know
[1:15:00] it's on private property, but you know,
this is in a kind of total gray area
[1:15:04] like a lot of these other things to
Kristen's point where no one's going to
[1:15:07] take responsibility for this. you know,
it's coming off a public roadway is the
[1:15:11] where the discharge comes from. So, I
think, you know, it's okay to ask to get
[1:15:16] more information, but you're going to
get information that basically says,
[1:15:18] "Look, we fixed it on this date. We made
the best connection we could to the box
[1:15:21] and we put the standard piece of pipe
in. That's it. That's the kind of answer
[1:15:24] you're going to get, I think." And then
you we're right back here in two weeks
[1:15:28] saying, "Okay, we're ready to approve
it." So, I don't feel there's going to
[1:15:32] be any different outcome from other than
that. And since I feel it needs to be
[1:15:36] addressed, I would be supportive of
trying to move this forward tonight. Do
[1:15:40] other members of the board feel that way
or not?
[1:15:42] » I do.
>> I'll make a motion.
[1:15:46] » Tina, that's your view.
>> Yes, I think we should proceed tonight
[1:15:49] from a safety standpoint.
>> Okay. So, for a board member to make a
[1:15:54] motion to authorize
uh storm sewer pipe replacement project
[1:15:58] at 1237 1230 road in a not to exceed
amount of 25
[1:16:04] » $25,000.
>> So, I'll make that motion.
[1:16:07] » Thank you. Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
[1:16:09] » Okay.
>> We'll still want the answer to the
[1:16:12] question, Mike. But sounds like we're
willing to move forward with it. So,
[1:16:15] we'll we'll take a vote here in a
minute. Uh any public comments or
[1:16:20] questions on the motion?
>> Okay, then we'll take a vote. All in
[1:16:24] favor say I. I. There. Any opposition
hearing? None. The motion passes 40.
[1:16:34] All right. Thank you, Mike. We
appreciate it. And uh good luck getting
[1:16:37] some more information on it.
>> Please share it with Chris and the board
[1:16:43] when you when you get the answers.
>> Thanks.
[1:16:47] » Okay. Agenda item number eight is
discussion regarding a proposal from the
[1:16:51] sustainability advisory committee for
enhancement to the entrance to the West
[1:16:54] Coast Community Park.
>> Chris, uh Mr. Chairman, before the board
[1:16:59] this evening is a proposal from the
sustainability
[1:17:02] advisory committee to undertake the
native planting enhancement to the
[1:17:05] entrance of West Ocean Community Park.
Uh the project would also include a rain
[1:17:09] garden installation near the entrance.
Uh Nick uh Nick Daniela from the
[1:17:14] sustainability advisory committee has
prepared exhibits and a plant list for
[1:17:18] the board's consideration. Um please be
advised that Mr. Dell presented this
[1:17:23] plan to the park and recreation board at
their meeting in June who unanimously
[1:17:27] voted to recommend the project.
Additionally, he's worked with our
[1:17:30] public works director and assistant
public works director, both of whom
[1:17:33] support the project. If approved by the
board, the plan would be to complete the
[1:17:37] installation in the fall using the
public works department staff and I will
[1:17:40] bring up the plans momentarily that
we're do have representatives. We do
[1:17:44] have Nick, Dorothy, and Ryan from the
sustainability advisory here this
[1:17:48] evening to answer any questions that the
board may have.
[1:17:51] » Great. And I believe that the total
plant material cost and correct me if
[1:17:55] I'm wrong was $2,400. Is that correct?
>> Generally, yeah. And based off other
[1:18:00] projects, the building pricing from
those, but could fluctuate slightly.
[1:18:05] » So, this this is the plan for the
entrance area. And I'll note that when
[1:18:09] they reviewed this, Mark specifically
liked this plan because of the low
[1:18:13] maintenance options that were installed.
Um, so this is what the plan would look
[1:18:17] like for the entrance area. And then
Nick, if you want to highlight anything
[1:18:21] or go over anything, then I'll bring up
the rain garden plan.
[1:18:24] » Uh, it's pretty straightforward. I mean,
it's all native plants, so obviously
[1:18:27] ecologically beneficial versus what's
there currently. Um, also help with
[1:18:32] » [clears throat]
>> erosion in that area. And, um, we made
[1:18:36] sure to keep plants near the entrance
way short for uh, for sight paths for
[1:18:41] people coming going coming out of there,
being able to turn. Yeah, I think
[1:18:44] everything in this plant should stay
around 3 ft or less. So, it shouldn't
[1:18:48] obstruct drivers as they're going out to
uh onto the road there.
[1:18:53] » Is there is there high maintenance on
these this plan?
[1:18:56] » So, all these plants will will fill in
pretty good, too. Um but yeah, it'll be
[1:19:02] pretty low maintenance. They'll be a
tiny bit initially just installing
[1:19:05] everything.
>> With the native plants, it's better to
[1:19:07] kind of leave them untouched all year.
They'll produce seeds. Birds will come
[1:19:11] in the winter time, eat them. Um, from a
maintenance perspective, if anything,
[1:19:15] come in the spring, cut everything down
to the ground and let it regrow.
[1:19:19] » And the 25 thou 2500, were we looking to
take that out of the SEC over the
[1:19:25] general fund? Oh, you were.
[clears throat] Okay.
[1:19:27] » So, I think there's like 5,000 and that,
wasn't there?
[1:19:29] » Something around there. So, like I said,
it's flexible little bit. Yeah, we can
[1:19:34] make it if we need to.
>> So, you said to the post, you won't need
[1:19:38] to mulge this area. have grown in and
spreads together so well they won't need
[1:19:44] much weeding maintenance do you think?
>> Yeah, I mean there's going to be a
[1:19:46] probably a tiny bit initially especially
if we're digging up what's there.
[1:19:49] There's a decent amount of weeds there
currently. So there's probably some weed
[1:19:53] seeds in seed bankank that once we
disturb that'll come up a little bit but
[1:19:56] it should be pretty minimal and after
the first year um should be just about
[1:20:00] nothing. So
>> do you need to fortify the soil there
[1:20:03] with some fresh soil you think?
>> Nope. The stuff likes like like Yeah. If
[1:20:08] you get too good of soil, the stuff gets
a little little floppy. So yeah, crappy
[1:20:13] soil.
>> Is the S gonna be planting though?
[1:20:17] » Uh in partnership with public works. So
we've been just Yeah, we've discussed
[1:20:22] it. So we'll partnership with it. Yeah,
we'll get it done this fall. everybody's
[1:20:28] » I presume this is consistent with the
park's strategic plan in terms of adding
[1:20:33] some native species and some some beds
etc to the community park.
[1:20:38] » Yeah. And it's good too. I mean
obviously you know get hopefully some
[1:20:42] public interaction with that kind of
thing too and maybe you get people plant
[1:20:46] some of those things in their own yards
too. So
[1:20:49] » you have any signage as to what it is so
that people can look at it and say oh
[1:20:52] that's what that
>> we certainly can. Yeah. And there's a
[1:20:55] number of manufacturers that make
standard ones and we can always run
[1:20:57] those by the wall as well. Um, but
they're pretty straightforward ones. You
[1:21:00] can get just put them on something nice.
You not just stick them in the ground,
[1:21:04] but you can get like a little wood post
form or something like that. But those
[1:21:07] are pretty easily accessible.
>> Excellent. And I'll bring up the rain.
[1:21:24] So these are the rain garden plans. So
our would be off of the uh parking lot.
[1:21:30] » Yeah. So the basis behind this is um so
I actually walk up the park every day at
[1:21:34] lunch cuz I work nearby and anytime it
rains a ton of water collects and just
[1:21:39] sits in the middle of the grass area
here. It's just like lawn grass that the
[1:21:43] water is not infiltrating at all. Um and
there's actually a notch in the curve
[1:21:48] there where the parking lot meets the
grass area where it just washes the soil
[1:21:52] out. You can actually see it from the
Earth view. So, we wouldn't try to
[1:21:56] mitigate any erosion coming out there.
>> Is it like is it like this area here?
[1:22:01] » No. Well, I like a scoured channel.
>> I drew over it with this, but there's a
[1:22:06] channel that runs right through from
that outlet pipe. Um, goes straight
[1:22:10] towards the parking lot. You can
actually see like you pull it up, you'll
[1:22:13] see soil in the parking lot coming from
there. So, we want to make sure that
[1:22:18] water goes down back into the ground
instead of into the parking lot.
[1:22:23] And again, we've worked with with public
works on this and gone over what's going
[1:22:27] to be required. Um, so it'll be another
joint project between the two of us.
[1:22:33] » Is there any chance down the line of
expanding that far?
[1:22:37] » Sure. Yeah. I mean, this is just like an
initial plan. Um, and it should take
[1:22:42] care of essentially the erosion issue
that we're having, but if we
[1:22:45] [clears throat] want to expand this,
it's essentially infinite possibilities
[1:22:49] in that area. just pawn grass that we
can I'd be more than happy to rip that
[1:22:53] up.
[1:22:56] » The uh the river birds you planning to
put in, how how tall is a 5 gallon
[1:23:02] river?
>> Um generally about 5 to 6 feet tall. Um
[1:23:05] [clears throat]
again depend on availability
[1:23:08] » availability and like if we had to have
a little extra money you can always get
[1:23:11] something a little bit more develop but
that's a good size to put in. Don't put
[1:23:14] anything too big or else
>> let's get something that's substantive
[1:23:17] to start with and not just a sapling
that takes 20 years to get going.
[1:23:21] » Yeah, this is going to be something
where it's going to start doing it job
[1:23:23] on day one. So, a river birch too will
grow multiple feet a year in ideal
[1:23:28] conditions and being in a storm basin is
it can get outside of being next to a
[1:23:34] creek. So, it should shoot up pretty
quickly once it starts uh once its roots
[1:23:38] are established.
>> Is there any water sources that's needed
[1:23:41] » to water the plants initially? snow.
>> If we have a drought in the fall, we
[1:23:46] might need to have public works come and
hose them down. But the issue, well, the
[1:23:50] thing is with this area because it
collects so much water and there's a so
[1:23:53] where the beginning of it is on the
bottom right there, that's the outlet
[1:23:56] drain that comes from the opposite side
of the park, there's a ton of water that
[1:23:59] runs through there. So, as long as we're
getting like even a little bit of rain
[1:24:03] within a month or month and a half of
planting that [clears throat] would be
[1:24:06] fine. So, it would have to have a pretty
long drought for it to become an issue
[1:24:10] initially. Then once and same thing with
the other with the other plantings. I
[1:24:15] mean all these plants are extremely
drought toler. I mean they're native to
[1:24:19] these areas. So they don't they're not
going to require any watering or
[1:24:22] anything. Just exhaust fish.
>> Super plant everything. No water. No
[1:24:26] nothing. It's good.
>> Yeah. I I burchches on my property.
[1:24:30] They're really good plant. [snorts]
They're fantastic tree. The one downside
[1:24:33] is they shed branches kind of year
round.
[1:24:37] » Well, the nice thing about this area is
not really an area where people go. Um,
[1:24:42] so I I don't really see any kind of like
safety issues with that. I mean, we can
[1:24:46] always put differences.
>> It's not a safety issue. It's just that
[1:24:49] that you need to clean you need to clean
it up every now and then because it's
[1:24:52] just sewing branches on the ground.
There's little, you know.
[1:24:55] » Yeah. I mean, that's we can talk with
Mike about that. Um, I mean, it should
[1:25:01] be part of routine maintenance.
>> Yeah. I don't want to get too deep in
[1:25:03] the woods, but ecologically fallen
branches are extremely important for for
[1:25:07] a lot of insects who use dead wood. Um,
so we can maybe so they even removing
[1:25:11] those maybe put them keep them in the
area.
[1:25:15] » Yeah. And that'll help help the soil as
well. So,
[1:25:18] » very good.
>> All right. Sounds like a great project
[1:25:20] to me. Is there any other questions from
the board?
[1:25:22] » I just want to see Mike, do you have any
thoughts, comments, questions?
[1:25:26] » Uh, no. Just I guess like uh are you
guys going to be picking up the plant
[1:25:29] material or are they tagging everything?
Are they going to deliver?
[1:25:32] » So, um, the way I've done this in the
past is I'll I'll put I can put the
[1:25:36] order in. have everything ready to be
picked up and then if you guys just have
[1:25:39] like a rack truck or a box truck or
something like that or
[1:25:43] » they can also deliver it to the site.
>> Yeah. Well, we can talk about that and
[1:25:48] tomorrow's good too. I forgot to
>> Yes.
[1:25:51] » But regardless, we'll be able to get
them there.
[1:25:53] » Okay. We can figure everything out like
the delivery of the river rock, right?
[1:25:57] Everything. Okay.
>> Yep.
[1:25:58] » Yep.
>> Yeah. We're good.
[1:26:01] » Okay. So, I'm looking for a board member
to make a motion to uh approve the
[1:26:06] proposal from the SACE for the plant
enhancements to the entrance to West
[1:26:11] Coast Community Park in a not to exceed
amount of 2500.
[1:26:17] » I'll make that motion.
>> Is there a second?
[1:26:21] » Second.
>> Thank you, May. Any public comments or
[1:26:23] questions? Yes. I just wanted to know if
you considered,
[1:26:28] you know, something with more seasoned
portion of interest like siduish like it
[1:26:32] or something like that that you have a
lot of
[1:26:34] » so yeah so in the back part of that we
have proposed a red wig dogwood
[1:26:40] » um so there's your four season shrub
there we have it as an option but we
[1:26:44] also could do button bush we could do
cla we can do all sorts of
[1:26:48] » maybe for f future projects just to save
money I was thinking if you had a
[1:26:52] relationship with sport or Longwood or
Shand Clear. Um, you know, they had
[1:26:58] enormous
green houses. I mean, Sworthmore has
[1:27:02] enormous rain garden. Longwood has, you
know, unable amount of plants and, uh,
[1:27:08] Shanta literally grows my plants. Um,
and I'm just wondering if in the future
[1:27:15] you could establish a relationship with
them since this is a public project and
[1:27:20] you know
>> especially if there's like an
[1:27:23] educational component where you're like
this is a butterfly garden or rainwater
[1:27:27] garden. Um, and in in exchange for
educating the communities um you know
[1:27:33] most of these places have an incredible
educational aspect to their to their
[1:27:39] missions. They would donate to
[clears throat] I can't imagine that in
[1:27:43] this area where you have so many gardens
Morris and Swathmore and Jenkins and you
[1:27:49] know
>> No, that's a good point. In fact,
[1:27:52] » I think some contributions.
>> I think one of the earlier projects that
[1:27:55] the SACE did
>> very very early on we got um a local
[1:28:00] nursery to to provide a few trees for us
to use. So that's a really good idea.
[1:28:04] So, for example, like if you get away
from the birch as to your point of they
[1:28:08] they shed branches constantly. If you
went after like Joe Wilson Magnolia,
[1:28:14] Longwood has probably hundreds of those.
I can't imagine how many they have in
[1:28:19] their green houses. You know, they grow
quickly. They love water. They're four
[1:28:23] seasons in Tristan. They bloom in the
summer, etc., etc., you know. So, I'm
[1:28:26] just saying it's I think you have
options because of just the wealth of
[1:28:30] horicultural
centers in this area.
[1:28:33] » Yeah. Great point. So, I'm just going to
look to the SEC members to take that
[1:28:38] suggestion on board and decide how you
might want to reach out and do that for
[1:28:42] future projects.
>> Yeah, there's normal organizations like
[1:28:45] PA invasive replace it program where if
you remove invasive plants, which is
[1:28:49] what we're going to be doing at these
places and you submit them and you get
[1:28:52] free trees out of it. Um, the reason why
I have this schedule the way I do is
[1:28:57] just to make sure that what we're
putting there is substantial. A lot of
[1:29:00] the things you get donated are, like you
were saying, saplings and things like
[1:29:04] that, which would be great for other
parts of the site, but I want to make
[1:29:06] sure that when we're getting this in,
it's a statement, especially and it's
[1:29:10] ready to go. So,
>> any budget has you have a budget for it.
[1:29:14] So,
>> correct. Might as well use it. But yeah,
[1:29:16] for sure. I mean, free plan would be
great.
[1:29:19] » Thank you. Is there any other comments
for questions?
[1:29:23] » Okay, then we'll take a vote. All in
favor say I. I. Is there any opposition?
[1:29:27] Hearing none. Motion passes 4 Z. Agenda
item number nine is
[1:29:34] discussion and possible approval of a
conservatorship petition for 726 East
[1:29:39] Gay Street. [clears throat]
[1:29:43] » East or west?
>> Uh it's
[1:29:47] east, right?
>> Yes, it is East Gay Street.
[1:29:49] » Thank you.
>> That was that was my error on the
[1:29:51] initial.
>> Okay. So before the board of supervisors
[1:29:55] this evening is consideration of the
filing of a conservatorship petition for
[1:29:59] a property at 726 East K Street. This is
the location of the former Boston Market
[1:30:04] restaurant. The building suffered a
significant fire in December 2024. Since
[1:30:09] that time there has been no movement on
addressing the situation by the property
[1:30:13] owners. The township has had to pay to
secure the property on certain occasions
[1:30:18] and uh we have been reimbured for some
of these costs. The zoning officer has
[1:30:24] filed 54 non-traffic citations in
district court for violations of the
[1:30:28] property maintenance code.
If approved this evening by the board,
[1:30:33] Carl Ewire would serve as the township's
legal council and the petition proposes
[1:30:38] that BDP impact real estate would serve
as a conservator.
[1:30:43] Please be advised that we believe this
is will be a fairly expedited process
[1:30:48] and reviewing [clears throat]
information available. There do not
[1:30:50] appear to be any environmental impacts
on the property, for example, water
[1:30:54] courses or flood hazard area and we will
be able to file the petition in short
[1:30:59] order.
Chris,
[1:31:02] » have you any other comments on the web
this uh this evening?
[1:31:07] » Uh no, Mr. Chairman. Um just that this
would meet the requirements under the uh
[1:31:12] blighted properties act. Unfortunately,
Mr. Eld was unavailable to attend this
[1:31:15] evening. Um but he's prepared to he's
prepared to petition um which follows
[1:31:21] the standard procedures and he's also
provided um a large amount of
[1:31:24] documentation showing the condition of
the property and it's been in this
[1:31:28] condition
fenced off since it suffered the fire in
[1:31:32] December of 2024. And recently I've seen
that there's been graffiti put on it. We
[1:31:39] have a fence we've had to pay to secure
it from a fencing perspective. Secure
[1:31:43] the building. We fenced it off after the
initial fire occurred and we did get
[1:31:46] paid back for those costs to fence it
off. Um, but it is it has not been
[1:31:51] maintained since it went since that
occurred
[1:31:56] and we've heard and we have heard
nothing about any plans to do anything
[1:32:01] with it.
>> Who's the owner?
[1:32:03] » It's owned by
>> the owners are deceased. It was the
[1:32:06] husband, wife, and the daughter. The
daughter is like 81 years old and we
[1:32:09] have tried
>> years ago. We tried because there's
[1:32:12] significant leans against the property
and so we were trying to move to collect
[1:32:16] the leans and we made considerable
effort to try to find them and locate
[1:32:20] them and ended up not being able to. So
I gave whatever information I had to
[1:32:26] Carl Ewald. Um John Izzy leased the
property and was going to then start a
[1:32:31] new restaurant. He was going to then
subleasase it to somebody for a
[1:32:34] restaurant. There was some permanent
activity before the fire. Um he is now
[1:32:38] nowhere to be found as well. So,
>> where was he sending his lease payments
[1:32:41] and who was cashing them?
>> That presumably is one of the eldest or
[1:32:47] » the the daughter who's 81.
>> Is she alive?
[1:32:50] » Yes, she is alive. Does she live in
Pennsylvania?
[1:32:52] » She died.
>> I don't believe so. I think she lives in
[1:32:55] Colorado.
[1:32:59] » Somewhere. I mean, I have an email from
off top of my head, but my parallegal
[1:33:05] handles the lead process. spent
considerable amount of time trying to
[1:33:08] locate them and we ended up not finding
the location to be able to serve them.
[1:33:12] » Okay. So, the likely outcome here is
that if this conservative is approved
[1:33:16] through the court process um that the a
demolition would occur and then able to
[1:33:21] move into a property sale. Correct.
>> Yeah. I mean, I I called Carl because I
[1:33:26] was concerned of how you make proper
service on the owners and they'll have
[1:33:30] to follow whatever proper whatever
procedures the law allows when you can't
[1:33:33] make personal service against owners
property. So this is a little bit more
[1:33:36] difficult because in the other
conservative petition, we knew where the
[1:33:39] property owner was. We were able to make
personal service. So there will be a
[1:33:42] little bit more process to have to go
through to get court approval to serve
[1:33:46] by publication likely. Um but yes,
likely what will happen is once they
[1:33:51] make proper service upon the owners, if
they make they're able to do it through
[1:33:54] publication and owners do not know,
which we don't expect the owner will do
[1:33:58] anything then.
>> So what would the owner need to do if
[1:34:01] they wanted to keep the property?
>> Same thing Joe Graph did. come into
[1:34:04] court and try to argue that try to show
a plan of rehabilitation of what they're
[1:34:09] going to do which
>> given the age of the woman and the fact
[1:34:12] that she's not responded to anything the
township's ever tried to do. I don't
[1:34:15] believe she will try to defend this.
>> Well, this conservative would be the
[1:34:20] same as um the previous one
[clears throat] and that the township
[1:34:23] will not be out of pocket uh as part of
any of the costs incurred by Carl and
[1:34:28] the uh conservative company.
>> Yeah. I do have a separate engagement
[1:34:32] plan for him for this project. You
probably should make sure you get that.
[1:34:35] » Yep. I did talk to Carl about that.
>> Okay. So, then it'll outline what you
[1:34:40] owe him. It for the work that he's done
to date for the work going forward and
[1:34:44] how he expects to be paid. I think
that's important to put that for him to
[1:34:46] put that in.
>> If I'm remembering correctly, it was
[1:34:48] written that any sort of any cost that
he incurs are paid through paid by
[1:34:53] either the property owner or through the
sale of the property. And there's a 20%
[1:34:58] conservative fee.
>> Okay. So you you we need that in place
[1:35:03] before we approve this tonight
potentially.
[1:35:05] » I think it could be conditioned upon
making sure you have that in writing.
[1:35:08] » Okay.
>> That you wouldn't authorize him to file
[1:35:11] that until he has sent in that and you
guys have given Chris the authorization
[1:35:15] to go ahead and sign that engagement
letter.
[1:35:18] » Okay.
>> Any other questions from the board?
[1:35:22] » I'll just just so the board is aware.
So, in speaking with Carl, his plan is
[1:35:27] to try and do both the initial and final
plan hearings all in all at once. And
[1:35:34] the goal is to do demolition and return
the property to grass.
[1:35:39] » Okay.
Any questions from the board?
[1:35:43] » Yeah. Once the conservatives go through,
they demolish, they do all of that. Um,
[1:35:49] they the conservatives said try to sell
the property. Obviously the owner if it
[1:35:54] comes forth would have first refusal but
if they don't come then the conservative
[1:35:59] will sell the property.
>> Well the owner retains the ownership of
[1:36:02] the property. The conservator does
excuse me the rehabilitative work. So
[1:36:08] the owner it's my understanding that the
owner gets presented with a bill for the
[1:36:11] cost for demolition lawyers fees all
that if they can't plus a 20% fee right
[1:36:17] » for the conservator. If they cannot pay
that, then they're then they sell the
[1:36:21] property in order to sell the propert
pay for the cost to do all that was
[1:36:27] done.
>> And what if the property is worth more
[1:36:30] than what
>> the money
[1:36:33] that you can't find?
>> Well, that again this there's going to
[1:36:36] be more to this story. like we can't
tell you exactly how this is going to
[1:36:39] play out because in my mind too
depending on what rights the tenant had.
[1:36:44] He may still have property interests
that may have to be notified of the
[1:36:48] filing as well. So I don't know, we
don't know. We're not they don't have a
[1:36:52] requirement to give us copies of leases
or to understand what property interest
[1:36:56] John Izzy had as a tenant and then
whoever he was leasing to for the
[1:37:01] building. I think that person's walked
away. But there definitely is going to
[1:37:04] be other people that may who had
property interest in the property that
[1:37:09] want to see something happen there. So,
I mean, it's going to be for Carl to
[1:37:14] have to sort through.
>> Well, we're going to be like kept
[1:37:16] apprised with all of that, right?
Forward. He's going to inform us if he's
[1:37:21] made service and he's having trouble
making service.
[1:37:25] » Absolutely.
>> Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the
[1:37:30] conservative conservatorship petition
for 726 East Gay Street and the uh the
[1:37:36] filing of that uh to the court subject
to a an agreement with the township in
[1:37:44] Carl
uh proved by Mr. Bashaw
[1:37:49] conditions acceptable to the township.
>> Okay. Is that reasonable?
[1:37:54] » Yeah.
>> All right. Is there a second?
[1:37:57] » Second.
Thank you. Is there any public comments
[1:38:00] or questions on the motion?
Very good. We'll take a vote. All in
[1:38:05] favor say I. I. Is there any opposition
hearing? That motion passes 4 Z.
[1:38:12] Thank you. Agenda item number 10 is
discussion and possible adoption of
[1:38:16] ordinance number 5, 2026,
approving amendments to the chapter 60
[1:38:22] pedaling and soliciting the West Ocean
Township Code of Ordinances. Kristen.
[1:38:27] » Yes. We presented this at the last
meeting. This was something the chief
[1:38:30] asked me to prepare. Chapter 60 is your
solicitation ordinance and he was seeing
[1:38:35] an issue with companies basically
sending their employees out to do
[1:38:40] without permits. So rather than just
hold the person who was doing the
[1:38:45] solicitation without the permit, the
chief wanted an ability to actually site
[1:38:49] the company that was sending these
people. So, we added a paragraph to
[1:38:53] section 60-1
of your chapter, which states that it's
[1:38:58] unlawful for any person, company, or
entity to employ or contract with any
[1:39:03] person to engage in basically the
solicitation of goods and services. So,
[1:39:07] that's what's been added to 60-1. We
did, because this is part of your
[1:39:11] ordinance, we did have to advertise this
part of the meeting as a hearing, and we
[1:39:15] did that in the daily local news on
August 24th. And I also sent a copy of
[1:39:20] the ordinance for public inspection to
the law library in the daily vocal. So
[1:39:23] it's just adding one sentence to section
60-1. That's the extent of the change.
[1:39:28] » Doesn't it doesn't it say your personal
company to engage?
[1:39:33] » It's just being for any person, company
or entity to employ or contract with.
[1:39:37] » What came in the factory was up was not
the correct language.
[1:39:41] » Yeah, this one says person. Okay. So
>> I sort of deleted an updated version
[1:39:46] yesterday.
>> Oh, okay.
[1:39:48] [clears throat]
Any other questions from the board?
[1:39:52] Okay, I'll make a motion to adopt
ordinance number 5, 2026,
[1:39:57] um, amending chapter 60 of the West
Coast Township Code. Is there a second?
[1:40:02] » Second.
>> Thank you, Nate. Any public comment or
[1:40:05] questions? Okay, we'll take a vote. All
in favor say I. I. Is there any
[1:40:09] opposition?
>> Hearing none, the motion passes 4.
[1:40:14] Agenda item number 11 is approval of the
board of supervisors meeting minutes
[1:40:18] from August the 4, 2026.
I provided some typo corrections to
[1:40:23] Chris. Has any other board member had
any corrections or changes?
[1:40:27] » Mr. Wman provided me a few corrections
and I made all the changes.
[1:40:31] » Okay. Okay. Well, I'll make a motion to
approve the the uh board of supervisors
[1:40:35] meeting minutes from August 4th with the
changes to myself, Mr. Wman. Is there a
[1:40:39] second?
>> I'll second that.
[1:40:41] » Thank you to you. Is there any public
comments or questions?
[1:40:44] Okay, we'll take a vote. All in favor
say I. I. Is there any opposition?
[1:40:49] Hearing none. The motion passes 40.
Item number 12 is approval of the bills
[1:40:55] to be paid. The general fund, the sewer
revenue fund, the waste and recycling
[1:40:59] fund, and the capital reserve fund.
Does anyone on the board have any
[1:41:03] questions about the bills list?
[1:41:08] Chris, I had a question on check
uh 6488
[1:41:15] to MK renovations. I believe you would
that has now been addressed correctly.
[1:41:20] » That's correct.
>> So this current bill is not going to be
[1:41:23] paid by that check number.
>> Well, that yes, that check was issued.
[1:41:27] However, it's going to be in speaking
with Mr. Ko, it's going to be returned
[1:41:31] to us and cancelled.
>> Okay.
[1:41:35] » All right. Is there any other questions?
Okay, I'll make a motion to approve the
[1:41:39] bills to be paid for the funds that I
described with that change that uh we
[1:41:43] just discussed. Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
[1:41:47] » Any public comments or questions on the
bills list?
[1:41:50] » All right, we'll take a vote. All in
favor say I. I. Is there any opposition?
[1:41:54] Motion passes 4. I move to a meeting at
7:45. Is there a second? Second.
[1:42:00] » Thank you. All in favor of adjournment
say I.
[1:42:02] » I. Thank you everyone.
[1:42:33] Do you touch my
[1:42:51] What do I know?
is not sh.