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Special counsel, meeting of the District of West Carolina, council chambers, commencing a little late at one 40-game on the 21st of January 2014.

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The meeting is open to the public and all representations to counsel for part of the public record.

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The meeting is being webcast live and will be archived on the District's website.

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Without a word, Mr. Snissler, to determine the late items.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor. The first item is replacement page 15.

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It's a capital funding request for Griffith's place, Stormdrainant, and the second

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late item is a regional rescue report.

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Thank you. Could we have a motion to adopt the agenda?

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We'll do seconded, opposed to any code.

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Let me have a minutes of the regular council meeting.

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January 14, moved and seconded on favor, opposed to any code.

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And with that, we will proceed directly to 9.4.1, draft 2014-23 financial plan, and 10-year

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capital plan, Mr. Johnson.

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I thank you, our ship members of Council, as we report on your agenda on page 11.

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The intent was to go over the budget binders that were previously provided to Council

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at the December 10th meeting.

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You were supposed to comprise the 6th budget for the District of West Carolina.

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There is a recommendation is that Council give first reading to the District of West

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Colonial Financial Plan by on number one, and that the tax increase for 2014

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be set at 2.95% and that staff be directed to transfer the annual allocated funds of

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$4,917 to reserves for future expenditures.

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You worshiped there are four separate components of this budget and I anticipate that there

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may be some changes that Council is looking forward to that for a commended motion based

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on some of the refinements that you might make throughout the core, what we're considering

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value added to the FTEs and the grant needs as well as the operational plan items in your

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worship.

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Ms. Garrison's here to take counsel through that and through those various work components.

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And of course, as always, at any time, if Council has any questions, please feel free to

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stop the presentation and we're happy to answer questions as we go along to make sure that

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Council has the opportunity to give the direction that Council would like to in the financial

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plan as presented for your worship.

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Please, Christine, how many slides do you have?

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15.

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Okay.

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Still, I've generated a lot of discussion.

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You're Roshobe Council.

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Thank you very much.

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Welcome to the 2014-2023 draft financial plan.

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I certainly hope you've had a chance to go through your binders.

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Through some of the sections, I will be referencing some of the page numbers

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And some of it, we will just be going through by section.

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So we'll talk a little bit about that.

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So my suggested plan for review is going

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to be first to offer look at our FTE requests.

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Then we'll go through operating budget by division.

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This is more where I'm going to point to some page numbers

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and give you some of the highlights through that.

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Certainly, if you have any other questions,

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you can stop me.

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The supplement will operate in requests after that.

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We'll go through that one line by line, each one of them.

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and we'll have staff available to speak on that.

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Capital budget by division.

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So that'll be the bulk of it I'm sure.

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Our capital is divided by divisions, roads,

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storm drainage, etc.

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We'll go through each division.

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In the prior year, we actually had motions

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related to that on those blocks.

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And if that works for council,

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and we can do that again, and approve each section

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as we go through it with amendments as required.

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As mentioned in my report,

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There was two supplemental capital requests that have a reason since the strapped report was brought forward, so we'll have to deal with those two as well.

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And finally, we're looking at grants and aid.

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So as in the prior years, we have a staff here to talk to you.

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If you have specific questions about capital, most of the operating I can answer, but certainly we have staff available for that as well.

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So just a quick on let's next.

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So after this bylaw I'm trying to receive first reading,

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the supplemental capital requests and any changes you've made

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will be made to the sheets and the binders.

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There'll be new sheets produced.

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That's what we will be taking forward subsequently

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to the public input session.

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So they will actually see the budget as you've amended

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after the first reading.

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We'll do update on that public input session

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as well as second and third readings of the by-law in early April and adoption of the by-law in late April along with the tax rate by-law as well.

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So let's start with a supplemental question.

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I ask one question, and that is, as with some, sometimes with capital requests and major projects,

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well we have the opportunity for a fully approval to get things going as opposed to waiting to late April.

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Yes. So, in prior years, we have brought the early approvals along with the budget. However,

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given this year the format that we've put it in with the value versus the base, the base,

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versus the value added, and we're requesting Council's input on those, we will be bringing

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forward early approvals to the next meeting based on the decisions that are made today.

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think you are just in terms of there are a couple of reports on the agenda that are linked to items within the budget and on the FKE request.

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There was the Bala services update on page 41 of the agenda package, which DevTales with this request.

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So Council is able to deal with these as that's the background information that goes along with that.

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So I just want to bring that to your attention.

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So there are three FTE requests.

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We have two parts, some are students, and these two positions will take on not only

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routine maintenance, but also there is a discussion that Council had regarding parks and

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ambassadors, and so there is the feeling that these two students would take on a role of a

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parks ambassador.

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We recognize, however, that the parks ambassador role is a limited role, and during limited

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hours and limited months. So we're hoping that the parks will be able to utilize these summer

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students outside of those limited hours and months. Councillor Williamsburg. Thank you, Mr.

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Mayor, do this that grows. Those are two positions. Gavin, there would be for about $14,000 each.

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What's the period of time per which they'd be hired? How many of them?

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So that is from approximately made through August that those positions run.

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And on the applying tech and the Bylon enforcement officer, my understanding is that those are, I'm a certain, I use indeterminate or term, I mean we've made indeterminate, they are temporary, made permanent type positions.

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Both of those positions are not.

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are currently temporary positions? The by-law officer was at the request of Council on

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the Choir, the other position has been in place for a few years.

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Okay, so I really know that increase in FTEs.

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No.

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You're looking for a motion.

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Yeah.

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I will so move that we approve the FTE request has presented, seconded by Councillor Nelson discussion

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on favour, what's the benefit in trade?

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Okay.

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Operating budget by division.

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So this afternoon I'm going to go sort of over

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some of the highlights I'll be referencing a page number more than anything. Please start

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me if you have any questions.

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So the first thing that I want to draw your attention to is

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on page 8, general revenue

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under administration. So administration is the costs that we charge

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out to cover the administration of the district and those costs are

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dividend out to between all of our divisions, so everybody pays their fair share for some of

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a common costs.

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The one that I really kind of wanted to add attention to, that wasn't there in the prior

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years, the capital projects.

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I mentioned it briefly in my discussion with you on December 10th, but this is the amount

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of the overhead that we've determined should be allocated to capital projects.

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This is really kind of covers, you know, staff time, photocopying vehicles, et cetera, et cetera,

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everything that gets used during the course of the management of the contracts, and it

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reflects that.

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Now that is being funded out of the capital fund, and that has not affected the reserves or the

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data which we reach are recommended reserves, but it certainly does help to offset some of the

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costs of City Hall.

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Mr. Mayor, just a question regarding the growl ops, I noticed a mid portion from growl ops,

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and then recoverable from growl ops, doesn't extend beyond twenty-fifteen.

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Has something changed there, is there a threshold for that?

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Jason?

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That was a term position, your Russia.

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That came forward.

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So once again, just as you've dealt with those FTEs, supplemental here, that will be in consideration

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in twenty-fifteen.

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And I think also of note with that particular position is with the change in the legislation

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about to grow ups and moving that, I would understand that there would probably be substantial

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opportunity for revenue in the upcoming year.

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Councillor Zanan.

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Thank you, Richard.

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I was just wondering about that second last item, Mary Scycling Recovery from mapping

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in 2000, 200,000 into 340, is it, I'd like to know what the optimism there is.

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So recycling a cover is actually on my list.

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The recycling a cover is actually the agreement that you've entered into with the MMBC regarding the printed paper and materials.

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So the $200,000 reflects the portion that we're receiving in 2014 and 2015 will be a fully year of the contract.

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The contract doesn't actually begin until the second quarter.

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The other one that I wanted to draw your attention to was the transit custom fairs.

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It's actually down.

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That is related to the changes that Council made in its reflection of the actual amount

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that we'll be receiving based on the changes that were made in the fall of late 2012.

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So, please, I have some of our speakers, Councillor Norles, and office.

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Thank you, Russia.

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I think I'm on page page 8.

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The transport and management, I thought we were going to be withdrawing from that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That is no longer a program.

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Through the regional district.

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This is one that we remet through to the Sustainable Transportation Partnership.

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So this is our requisition to be part of that position.

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TDM.

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It could have been STPCO is what that should have been put down as.

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But it was that TDM also was.

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Then the previous year's.

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But it's no longer a function.

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Through the regional district.

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Thank you.

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Councilor Office.

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Thank you.

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I'd just question about.

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I certainly agree with the principle of.

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charging and administration fees on capital projects, but it's interesting and a little bit

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discussion about how you came up with the amount that's being charged because it seems

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and obviously is very low in terms of recovery when it's compared to the standard

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administration charge. So what's the philosophy there for how the cost of recovery?

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So we based that basically on a percentage of the amount of capital that's approximately

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two percent, give or take of the amount of capital that we're performing this year, and that's

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based more on sort of what other municipalities are charging. This has been new for us, we've

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never done this before, so it's more an estimation and based on prior history of other municipalities.

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Thank you. I think it's, as I say, very justified, because it really is a better reflection

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of what it really costs to get those projects done. When you think about doing a project

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in one of the water systems that there's no recovery for it been overhead for all the time

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that gets spent by the general staff on a project like that.

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We're not charging through the utility to write service fees, to write service to our

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customer.

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I'm glad to see the $200 dollar start, probably isn't enough.

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Through the Russia, it certainly wages between the municipalities between two and up to as

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just six. We started at two and thought how we'd see how that went to carry on.

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Cemetery plot sales is going to be the other ones I wanted to identify here. There's

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certainly a substantial increase in cemetery plot sales on this one and that's reflective

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of all the work that we've done on the cemetery so that we will see corresponding increases

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in the expenditure side as well on that one.

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So, over to page 9,

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there isn't much on this page, it's significant, rather wise, there's

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about boochery, plodobo lentils, of course, is going to be zero this year, since we've converted

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that to our own use, and the neighborhood of learning lentils is new, that's on our Marjox school.

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Again, not significant fines, but they are changes this year.

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Councilor Deon has a question.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Just question.

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Revenue and grass cutting.

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If we're re cutting for someone else.

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Through course away down just for our west side seniors.

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If you're 10,000 dollars for revenue for grass cutting.

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I assume maybe the district or regional district that we're cutting for or something.

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I think that that is a recovery program.

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Yeah.

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That we cut grass and then recover the funds from.

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could be as a result of enforcement, by law enforcement,

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like we've cut grass, and then we force people to pay for it,

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basically, so which is most of the middle of fun.

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And I have a very small and insignificant one, but I'm curious, so can revenue. Why do we have revenue from so can, usually that's an expenditure?

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Oh, that's seven o'clock again.

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No, that's the payment to the agency that for playing music. If you perform someone, I forget what it stands for.

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It's a federal agency that collects money from musicians for playing music.

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And you pay, usually.

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I mean, if you play the top hits, it's a wedding, at a wedding, you pay.

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So I don't understand why this is a revenue item.

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That one I don't have to look in here.

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I'm not sure about that one.

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Thanks.

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Councilor.

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Thank you.

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I think we just collect that revenue on behalf of some of our users.

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And we remit it.

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It's part of their rental agreement.

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That's why it's done like that.

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Could be.

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OK.

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Ten.

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So, on 10, we had some storm sewer recovery amounts, and it's not the this year,

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and

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really that's related project based.

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So, if we expect that there's some projects coming up, that will be a re-inverse

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portion before we put it in, and if there's none this year, then there's none this year.

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So, that's why that one's gone.

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Is there anything else on?

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It was similarly, we know the pitch 10, the grow up finds by a lot of worship drops right off.

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And I guess that's the same situation, and we had a three-year arrangement, and we'll have to look at what it is beyond 2015.

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That's correct.

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Councillor Winsby?

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One question of notice going through this that there are a number of items where there are no figures attached either in previous years or going forward and then wondering why those why those things are there. Is there a different reason for different.

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One depends whether.

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So, any lines that we have that don't have anything attached, we've used previously, and in our

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budget software they've because they've got history attached to them, they've stayed

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in there, and to hide them is a difficult process, so they've there, because we may use them

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again in the future.

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Thank you.

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It's a software thing.

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It's a software.

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We understand.

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So I want to draw your attention on page 11.

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Of course last year was the last year.

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We didn't receive anything except for small amount for the provisional government conditional grant for the RCMP.

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So that was the last of the funding, our transition funding, and it is done.

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We are officially complete now. There's zero transition funds left.

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The carrier code amount, you'll notice that most of the carrier code amounts to zero.

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Those aren't calculated yet, of course we calculate those as we work through our year-end process,

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and those will be coming forward in the second and third readings.

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So the expenditure highlights.

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So I'm going to really just sort of touch on for you the expenditure highlights on the areas that have

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more significant changes.

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But if you have other questions, Jason?

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Thank you, worship.

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What we wanted to do was point out the material changes for you.

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And of course, if you've got any questions of any of the particular items,

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as you've gone through the budget, we're happy to answer those.

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But rather than drag you into the details of each particular one,

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Ms. Garrison's recommendation was to really go over those ones that are material,

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and should be brought to your attention, so that you're aware of it.

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But like I said, we're happy to answer any questions in the budget.

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I think Council will never meet reviewed those pages and pick something out.

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They want to ask about it and that's perfectly fine.

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Absolutely.

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So let's get back. There was the first couple and that's somebody who had some questions.

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And administrative issues.

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Councilor Wilson.

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Yes, I would say one question in the administration page.

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And that's where the regards to the civic grants.

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I know that we'll be talking about grants and aids in a little while, but is that

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is that pertain to the grants and aid, like, preserve the 307,000,000?

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Yeah.

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So that's non-cash and cash.

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That's non-cash and cash.

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Okay.

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So, I had to come up with that number based on the fact that there's about, there's a total, I guess,

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applied for a 413,000.

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So, as Empire years we've always set it at the same amount that was in 2013.

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13 and then we adjust that based on councils discussion after we've gone through those grant

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needs and we'll adjust that figure. Okay so if the aground needs ends up being higher than

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307 there will be an impact.

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Absolutely. So there are some things that we will go through

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between now and April 2nd and 3rd and refine and we may have some better numbers on for instance

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growth is a good example of that, because our plan doesn't actually revise row we call it,

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which gives us our final assessment numbers comes in on March 31st, which also gives us

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our final grant number, final new growth numbers. So if there is some room in our new growth,

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we would use that and offset some, so we go back through and offset the, what's been increased

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and what's been, there's more revenue and then come back again on second and third reading.

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Mr. John Stephen.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Stephen.

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The finance department.

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So, when they typically looked at the growth numbers, they've been very conservative.

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So, they're generally some movement when the role comes forward, particularly in the growth

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here that we've had, and I believe in the past year, we'll probably see some flexibility from

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what we might see here today.

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Okay.

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Carry on.

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Financial administration.

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Very little change.

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Corporate services, so that's the first big one, is actually a decrease in corporate services

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here, of 8.56%,

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so this is actually the result of the restructuring that was recently

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completed, and one of the staff members that was formally under corporate services was moved

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over to the finance department, and so that's why you'll see a big decrease here. The finance

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department was able to incorporate that position with that with very little increased

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to their own budgets.

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Mr. Jones.

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I counsel will note throughout the budgets.

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There is our decreases as a result of that restructuring.

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It has previously presented to Council.

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So that net reduction in the three FTEs is reflected in the budget.

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Councillor Winsley.

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I think in this way, very quickly, I see no anticipated expenditure for expenditure

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or other boardraisles and landscaping costs.

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Is this being done by someone else?

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In other words, these are costs that are going to be absorbed.

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So we actually moved those expenditures over

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to the development services group,

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where they are actually expended out of.

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So we have done some work within the budget this year

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of moving budget monies around to who actually

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uses them as opposed to where they were originally set up.

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Thank you.

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At some point in further to what Mr. Johnson says,

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I think we should probably have an outline of the full savings that came about through our restructuring process.

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And I think council may have some idea, but I think that something we should have a decision if we could.

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So we can fully understand why sometimes restructuring as painful as it might be for some people is necessary.

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So the next one I had is actually on page 19.

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So in between that we have a site decrease in HR.

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Councils and alls.

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Thank you, Russia.

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We see the agreement.

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Was it?

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19.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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You'll fleece by 160,000.

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Mm-hmm.

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That just reflects the RCMP.

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That reflects our current contract with the RCMP, yes.

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That obviously is the content of

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what we have, we have the detail of what the RCMP increases are, and that is covered by that, right?

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That's correct.

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So when Mr. Lanthia came forward and discussed with Council recently this fall about the OCMP budget and some of the issues that he talked about that were increasing the cost to the municipalities that the reflection of that.

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I can most notably being the tax for a sorry edifice that they're putting in place.

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Headquarters to see that we all pay something for what's to have a big fancy

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police station with all kinds of antennas on down there in in, in, in, in,

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So 20 fire, fire is a 3,4,3,1 increase. Of course, there's contractual wage increases

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in fire department. There's also in relation to that increases for the education, because

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a lot of their training is done off shift. So when there's contractual increase in wages,

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you also get contract, are you getting increases in their off shift wages as well?

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Mr. Jones.

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Thank you.

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You are so once again, this is an item that Council has received the report on the agenda.

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This is the educational component within that budget that is increased from that regional

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program that is being proposed to be taken on and as fund itself resulting in the budget

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for that background and that additional report that was provided in the later agenda on page

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40.1 does speak to the increases that Council is contemplating within the budget version.

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Just to add to that is that we have not reflected the 42,000 dollars that was previously

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paid through the RECO that's not currently in this number.

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So we haven't added that yet to our general tax.

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Any of the other increases in decreases that you see down the lines there is mostly

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reallocation to better reflect where we have actually spent money in that budget.

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Is it a concept pleasure to go over that section of that report to document a bit late

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on fire services at this point?

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Sort of the rest of this on hold and go to that.

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Do we have everyone here?

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We need here.

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Okay.

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Lots of uniforms today.

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So, this is then the agenda item nine for two, setting aside nine for one for now, regional rescue of Mr. Johnson.

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Thank you, Ourship Members of Council.

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The regional rescue program has been a program that's been under review of the regional district for some three years now in terms of looking at contemplating changes from the program that was originally established in the 1980s.

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80s, the establishment bylaws for this program itself may not reflect accurately what is actually

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being provided by the program, which is partially the reason why the regional district

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undertook the review.

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Chief Smith's there has sat on the internal staff committee of the regional rescue, as well

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as director of office, has been a member of the recent review committee who I'm sure can

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provide additional context and background.

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In terms of bringing this forward to the budget, the key question for staff to get answered by

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Council is this a program that you wish us to move forward with as I'm able first of

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this year, because in order to do so, there's a significant amount of training that we have to

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do in order to make these non-core issues of the regional program effective for the District

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of West Kilona. So there is the financial implications that the finance program has looked at as

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the program overview that the fire department will take counsel through and of course this

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was a lead item and I expect there will be a number of questions from council that we're

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happy to answer your question and I guess it's also fair to say is this while it has budget

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budget implications here and now for the district of West Cologne it also has budget implications

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for the regional district and based on what we're able to do they'll need to make a

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agency in their budget process, and their budget process has a much tighter timeline

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than West Kuala, which has to be wrapped in their case, has to be wrapped up by the end

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of March.

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So Chief Snissler, and if you want to introduce your team, some of whom are newly West

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Kuala, and returning to West Kuala.

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I don't know if you just go ahead there.

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There are the insisting fire chief looks at the fire department in West Kuala.

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and chat card for assistive 5G plus 4.

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Thanks John, just joined us from summer lunch.

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Thank you.

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So, as a report of states, I submitted those facts sheets last night.

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I know it was a little bit of a clear worship.

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The fact sheets that we really wanted to send,

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the one that really hasn't been telling this is actually the technical rescue one.

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And the technical rescue one, as we went through this process since 2011,

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and to move forward to where we are today has established

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a difference between core and non-core services

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as in the report.

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So at that point, what we've moved forward

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left through the regional board was a meeting

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of our CAOs and fire chiefs in January 15th.

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And we determined that how each municipality,

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if they were going to deliver non-core services.

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They're ability to roll out program forward by March 31st of this year.

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And so, ourselves anticipating this as it's been going on for quite a few years.

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And our budget process internally, we've been looking at how we can make this happen,

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turning with our funds that we have and rolling forward on the 2014 budget.

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So, before we get into the BTI, I think what we should do is just review what those services are.

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So, everyone's clear on what we're moving forward to.

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And I'll get Assistant Chief, our trial to review the slide presentation and the talks

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for each service.

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So, a bit of the background that we have is this regional program is put together in 1989.

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And it was so that the communities surrounding the small communities were able to provide

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service without having to provide all the training and funding to do that so that's where the

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regional program was born. And it started out and it was, it was dispatch, road rescue, and

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every emergency program. Those three, and it has grown ever since, as we have more population

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in larger sizes, is there's far more requirements that are put on municipalities. So dispatch,

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emergency program, hazardous materials, marine rescue, road rescue, so on and so far, so we'll

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go through each one of those. The core services versus normal core services review is what

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the research committee has been going through in determining which ones can be broken out of the

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regional program, so that individual municipalities can be responsible for those. The core services

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that was still be provided through the regional rescue program are going to be fire dispatch,

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The emergency program has just materials and marine rescue.

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What's been determined for the non-course stuff is basically more of our technical

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rescues.

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So, road rescue, low-end banquet rescue, high-angle confined space, sweat, water, and ice

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rescue.

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So, currently, West Cornfire Rescue, we are able to provide a few of these services.

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We've been providing road rescue, low-angle and banquet rescue, and ice rescue for the past

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So all we're adding to that is the high angle confined space and swift water, three more disciplines under the six.

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So these are one of the non-for services we provide which is the road rescue we provide it for

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Pepper DMVC, the preventive program we also provide it within our boundary and our west side road.

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This is all of the motor vehicle incidents within that area.

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Low and bank will press use, so when those motor vehicles end up going off of the road,

467
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:55,780
what we need to go down there to get a patient is we load them up in a basket stretcher

468
00:32:55,780 --> 00:33:00,280
and bring them back up to the road, or any hikers that are out in our trail network that end

469
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,420
up falling down with a twisted ankle, broken leg, the more ball is we can remove them from

470
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:08,540
there using all of our gear.

471
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:13,500
Ice Rescue is also what we provide more currently training on that right now doing the

472
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:19,660
pressure training. So we have quite a few different areas identified within the boundary of West

473
00:33:19,660 --> 00:33:26,160
Kona where this can come into place and we took this over from the region chiefly how many years ago

474
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:34,240
leave you ring your fourth year fourth year. Okay. And then we start moving into the more technical

475
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,780
stuff that we don't currently provide, because we don't have the train to do so.

476
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:45,860
So high-angle rescue is anything where you can't support more than 50% of your own weight,

477
00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:53,500
so most times when you go down the bank, the patient coming back up isn't able to support the

478
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:59,700
weight, so we have them online. As we start expanding our trail networks, there's going to be more

479
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:04,880
people out in the back country, still within our district boundary, and in order for us to provide

480
00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:10,240
them sort of the confidence that if something happens and they call 911, we'll be able

481
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:11,100
to respond.

482
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Compliance based rescue, recently the District of West Carolina conducted a safety audit,

483
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:23,560
which identified all of these spaces within the District of West Carolina that workers go into.

484
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,540
Currently they are part of compliance based rescue is currently part of the regional program,

485
00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:35,080
So there will be requiring a response or a phenomena instead of within our own boundary.

486
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,060
And Swiftwater rescue has a fresh it's come in the spring and we have anglers along the side of the creeks and whatnot.

487
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,820
Swiftwater currently is in the is looked at now as an all course service.

488
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,440
So those are the three that we're looking to provide moving forward.

489
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:57,900
Equipment in the training costs.

490
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,520
So in order for us to be able to provide this service,

491
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,020
there's going to be an initial start-up cost.

492
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,160
What we like to do is for a group that's entering into a new discipline,

493
00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:12,160
is get everyone standardized training right off the top,

494
00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:13,740
so that there's no questions.

495
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,220
Any other questions that we do have are answered by contracts and structures?

496
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,860
From that point, we then develop our own training networking group,

497
00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:24,840
and they maintain those skill sets.

498
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:37,540
Most of their requirements are one day training annually, which we would do off-shift, but we'd be able to do all of our core maintenance skills on shift, so to know extra cost to the district.

499
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:51,080
We do have, there are many successful means colleagues who have completed recently this type of training for a movie, township, or plainly, and Maple Ridge have also used this.

500
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:58,440
the original or the initial start-up would be a blended system of on-shift and off-shift

501
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:58,900
train.

502
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:05,030
That's a basic rundown if you guys have any questions.

503
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:12,990
It comes from Windsby. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. To any one of our illustrious gentlemen,

504
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:23,150
this regards three things, actually. One, how would this change affect P-Trash, in other words,

505
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:27,030
would we provide, or could we provide this service to Bechland?

506
00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:35,950
Through your worship, after we get trained in the disciplines, we would definitely have the ability to offer contract services to our neighboring communities.

507
00:36:38,110 --> 00:36:51,590
And secondly, the transition period between withdrawing from the regional service and having our own people trained what happens during that transition period.

508
00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:55,810
would it be? How would these services be provided? Well, if we make our timelines with our

509
00:36:55,810 --> 00:37:00,590
training schedule that we put in place, if this gets proved to move forward, we will be able

510
00:37:00,590 --> 00:37:06,630
to have this transition ready to go by the transition of the kind of the budget here this year.

511
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:11,630
So until then, Klona would be still providing those services and then we would take over seamlessly

512
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:19,030
April 1st. Okay. And thirdly, we would have ongoing training costs now to keep everybody up

513
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:21,550
It would be a natural exposure.

514
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:26,330
And only when we looked at the amount, the amount of money that we're paying, I think it's around

515
00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:32,910
42,000 to the region, that money would take care of the ongoing costs of our maintenance training

516
00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:33,350
for our own.

517
00:37:33,350 --> 00:37:34,350
So it's basically a wash.

518
00:37:34,850 --> 00:37:35,130
Yeah, yeah.

519
00:37:35,350 --> 00:37:36,590
Thank you.

520
00:37:36,610 --> 00:37:37,350
Councilor Zannon.

521
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:40,370
Thank you, Your Worship.

522
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:48,210
We're just, since I understand the urgency of bringing this report forward at this time,

523
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:50,970
because we have to incorporate it into the budget.

524
00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:55,070
Unfortunately, it was very late for us.

525
00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:56,830
We just received an understanding.

526
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:59,570
There are good reasons, this is why it was.

527
00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:06,150
But my question is that he estimated some costs here.

528
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:09,550
And I'm wondering in scrambling,

529
00:38:09,790 --> 00:38:12,130
if you get this report out to us,

530
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:16,910
are you truly 100% confident that we are able

531
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:22,270
and ready to fully provide the training and ramping up

532
00:38:22,270 --> 00:38:28,270
into these programs by this deadline on March 31st.

533
00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:32,590
And secondly, that you've indicated the cost of the program

534
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:36,330
that there won't be any other forthcoming for this year.

535
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:38,670
Mr. Jones, thank you, Worship.

536
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:41,610
This has been a discussion with myself, Farjeef,

537
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:43,690
and the Finance Department for a number of months

538
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:46,210
given that the resock has been moving all the way along.

539
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:55,350
really the opportunity came forward as a result of the meeting that we had with the region last week which prompted us to bring this forward and provide that context to council.

540
00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:57,910
We wouldn't have signed off on the report.

541
00:38:58,290 --> 00:39:11,210
Had we have not been assured by the fire department by finance that we could do this within the set budgets and do it within the timelines of the fire department as but forward in terms of the training plan that they provided to me indicating that they would be up and running by a pro first.

542
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:15,710
Councillor Dionne and Nelson.

543
00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:17,750
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

544
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:25,330
I firmly believe that moving forward with a lot of these services, having our own direct

545
00:39:25,330 --> 00:39:27,310
control on these services, just makes sense.

546
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:32,950
Particularly when I start hearing that we're already doing low-angle road rescue and ice rescue anyways.

547
00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:38,290
Why would we want to pay an administration fee over to another municipality when we're already doing

548
00:39:38,290 --> 00:39:44,210
services ourselves, duplication of cost just doesn't make sense. Compliance-based swift

549
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:49,350
water rescue, high-angle rescue of the three new ones for technical rescues. And I think

550
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:54,710
you answered my question already, Chiefs, just want to hear it again just to make sure you

551
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:59,970
got it right, because you did a really good job on lining the initial startup costs. A little

552
00:39:59,970 --> 00:40:08,270
bit light on those ongoing costs, but I think you mentioned to Councilor Winsby that you

553
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:13,510
it will cover those ongoing costs for the extra equipment maintenance and the extra training

554
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:14,410
is that correct?

555
00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:19,230
Yeah, through your worship, through a kind of operating budget, we have equipment and equipment

556
00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:20,050
line item.

557
00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:25,230
We have equipment throughout the department, which we would continue to use to supply new equipment

558
00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:27,970
to all our aspects that we serve right now.

559
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:33,610
And the other part is when we talk about the annual maintenance of the program the one day.

560
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:39,290
It's likely that on what our option time would be already in a system-shaped guard trial is

561
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:44,250
assure us that we can come up to the standard that's required with those requirements and

562
00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:46,030
still come up to the budget by an item.

563
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:47,950
Thank you.

564
00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:49,430
Councillor Rossum and myself.

565
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:50,810
Thank you.

566
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:51,230
Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

567
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:56,110
So the services that we haven't been providing ourselves, the other part of the department,

568
00:40:56,110 --> 00:41:02,290
Today, if there's been a 9-O-11 call, we'll call it 9-O-11 call, and it's dispatched

569
00:41:02,290 --> 00:41:06,250
with it in the spatially to the clone of fire department in the ass, or currently.

570
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:09,070
How's that working through your worship?

571
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:12,110
The process is the call would come to the west of the clone of fire department.

572
00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:17,410
Okay, we would respond and then make an assessment on the type of incident that we had,

573
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:22,070
and if we recognized that it was a confined space or a hangover rescue,

574
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:29,110
Then we would initiate a call-out of the corner and they'd call and then submit a team get a team together

575
00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:33,270
Once the team together, then they would respond over to the district to last corner

576
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:40,710
Okay, the group going for will be our part. We'll be able to be able to action and call action. Those incidents

577
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:46,230
Right away without waiting for a team to count so as a result, there should be quicker response. Yes

578
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:48,370
Okay, thanks without

579
00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:56,910
Well, I would like to speak very strongly in favor of this, and as Chad pointed out, the service was created in 1989.

580
00:41:57,730 --> 00:41:59,270
It has changed somewhat.

581
00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:05,810
We see that, but a lot more has changed than this program since 1989.

582
00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:11,750
And in the regional district of Central Rokinong, at that time, you had one very small municipality,

583
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:18,670
each man to at that time, what were they 25, 100, probably, and Klauna, which was the big

584
00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:19,350
player in the area.

585
00:42:19,410 --> 00:42:26,030
The rest was rural area, Lake Country, incorporated in the mid-9s, 15, 16 years ago, and

586
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:32,590
of course, West Klauna, six years ago, population 31,000, both the District and West Klauna,

587
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:39,830
and the District of Lake Country, have sizable fire operations, and both feel they can take

588
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:46,230
service on I might add. We're not alone in that. Our friends in Peachland may have to make some

589
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:52,290
choices whether they want to continue to contract with Colona or West Colona, but our interest

590
00:42:52,990 --> 00:42:59,430
is an obligation is to look after the taxpayer and the citizens of the district of West Colona.

591
00:43:01,050 --> 00:43:06,390
So that's changed. This should move ahead quickly. It's part of our budget, as you can see.

592
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:11,910
It's also part of the regional budget, as I pointed out earlier, and they have a tighter timeline.

593
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:18,570
And we, if this slides on any length of time, it's going to slide into 2015.

594
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:21,390
You know, and this process has been going on.

595
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:27,110
As has been pointed out, through as the outcome of a service review request from the District of West Carolina.

596
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:30,390
It's been going on several years now.

597
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:46,670
And we can success one, some of the other wins and we'll have some comments on notting another meeting, but in the meantime this is another one where we can be someone successful in terms of our service review request if we move

598
00:43:46,670 --> 00:44:10,670
I had to achieve this in short, as it's been pointed out, do we get better servers better response closer to home to deal with rescues at minimal, well, no extra cost and minimal overall cost on the long term basis.

599
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:20,680
So, this is a win-win for West Carolina quite frankly, and we should be moving ahead as quickly as we can to put the service in place.

600
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:22,670
Councillor Office.

601
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:25,090
Thank you, Mr. President.

602
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:26,810
Certainly, he's a part of everything you've just said.

603
00:44:27,350 --> 00:44:34,610
Having been our Council's representative on the regional board and on the regional rescue service review committee,

604
00:44:34,610 --> 00:44:39,790
this process has been going on for for three years has been and has been studied

605
00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:44,530
to study extensively, so it's really good to see some small part of it, at least

606
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:50,390
finally come to fruition and I certainly hope our council supports the delivery of

607
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:53,990
this, this basket of services closer to home.

608
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:58,450
If could you go back on the slides to the first slide, I think, or the second that had

609
00:44:58,450 --> 00:44:59,210
the end.

610
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:59,970
Don't lose your mind.

611
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,440
All of the services that are in the, what they call, regional, regional rescue, that really aren't.

612
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:14,080
I've just clicked up the report that this whole court and non-court framework was put together a couple

613
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:20,400
of years ago by the review committee, the service review committee, and it was supported by the committee,

614
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:25,880
and it was supported tentatively by the regional board that we go down this road last spring.

615
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,900
So the non-core services, really, are fundamentally

616
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:32,620
ones that can be provided locally by some of the local departments

617
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:35,340
and, obviously, including our own.

618
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:37,760
And what was left is core services, which

619
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,900
need to be to some degree and have the involvement

620
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,120
of the regional district, are the ones

621
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,560
and the right, the core services.

622
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:48,240
And some of them are still under, in fact,

623
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:50,320
they all are, because I never give up on any of them.

624
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,160
But some of them are under continuous review.

625
00:45:54,160 --> 00:46:01,340
and we're hoping to have some progress that can be able to communicate to the council in the next few months.

626
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,160
I just want you to be aware that fire dispatch and emergency program management and so on.

627
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:14,240
We're still looking at them in terms of what changes and improvements can and need to be made to them.

628
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:22,380
Because they are very expensive services the way that they're currently configured and that we're always looking for better ways to do things.

629
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:27,580
I'm just another comment on World Rescue, we provide the World Rescue not only within West

630
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:33,660
Corona, but also I think as the deputy chief said, outside of Corona, West Corona in the

631
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,560
Coral, basically on West Side Road.

632
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,820
One small part of the World Rescue Program that will be regional, we hope at the end of the

633
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:48,780
day, is that we will be compensated regionally for the rescue that we're involved with outside

634
00:46:48,780 --> 00:46:50,940
of the boundaries of the District of West Corona.

635
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:54,960
So we still have our eyes on that, and we're going to try to make sure that we get

636
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:55,640
compensated for that.

637
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,700
And the reason for that really is the same reason why we would continue to participate

638
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:01,900
in marine rescue.

639
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:06,300
The view of the regional board table is that these programs are important to all the citizens

640
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:10,640
of the central canog, and in other words, it could be a citizen of cloned out on the co-callot

641
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,500
needs of rescuing.

642
00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:17,300
And if we're going to go up there and rescue them, which we are, and as we should be, then

643
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:22,010
need to have some component of regional compensation for that, just the same as it would be

644
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,400
if a citizen of West Carolina was needing green rescue off the shores of a pot-sense

645
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,800
beach or whatever. That's a regional program, and that's why we contribute to that. And we expect

646
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,750
them to return it in kind when it comes to things like road rescue. Just a couple of comments on

647
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:45,070
that aspect of it. Thanks, and I just, you know, I don't think council knows how

648
00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:54,150
Howard, Councillor Oofus, has worked on this countless meetings, some of which were very frustrating,

649
00:47:54,890 --> 00:48:01,210
some of which went better than others, often two steps forward, one back, and then two more back,

650
00:48:01,630 --> 00:48:08,070
and one forward to get it to this point. And I think also credit, let's go to Mr. Johnson,

651
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:13,650
for a lot of hard work in being involved at the CAO level.

652
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:20,270
There is a CAO committee that is functions all the CAOs in the regional district,

653
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:23,170
and they looked at this issue countless times,

654
00:48:23,470 --> 00:48:26,530
and similarly to the fire chiefs,

655
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:30,350
and chiefs, Nessler, who has spent an awful lot of time on this as well.

656
00:48:31,050 --> 00:48:36,890
I'm sure if we tall it up the meeting time of everyone involved,

657
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:43,270
it would be a very substantial, and it's time to move this forward, constant noise and

658
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:43,810
constant noise.

659
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:46,150
Thank you, Richard.

660
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:51,830
Many thanks to Councillor Oofus and C.A.L. Johnson.

661
00:48:53,830 --> 00:48:59,610
And I guess this is a combination of the huge efforts that have been put forth.

662
00:49:00,670 --> 00:49:09,610
I just would like to be assured that the 99-page document that I received written by

663
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:15,990
Coronavirus Department, I have an chance to read of course because I just got the whole thing,

664
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:21,970
and a two-page report from you, which I'm told is perfectly adequate.

665
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:25,850
I just would like to be assured by you.

666
00:49:25,850 --> 00:49:31,550
So why I think it was necessary for the fortified department to make such a huge report

667
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:38,070
when it could be covered, you know, you covered it in two pages sort of thing and just be sure that I

668
00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:42,350
didn't need this to join us and we'll answer that and that was the best part of the service

669
00:49:42,350 --> 00:49:47,570
related process. I wouldn't ask the fire chief to comment on that, you worship. We put the report together

670
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:54,870
in terms of us taking that portion at over. The service review also gets into other areas that

671
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:58,750
and identified in our reports, and we want to just in terms of discolors, we're making sure

672
00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:03,790
that this council likes to have all the information at hand, at all the information and

673
00:50:03,790 --> 00:50:08,070
various motions that have come forward, but I also like to note that the review isn't

674
00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:11,210
complete yet. There is still some more work to be done at the regional district,

675
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:16,870
from I understand by our dispatch, continuing discussions around the emergency program,

676
00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:22,050
and even hazardous materials. I was discussing that with the regional district CAO before he was

677
00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:25,990
way this week, so the work is in all completed at this point.

678
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:32,450
Councillor Nelson, sorry, in that case I am very strongly in favor of this.

679
00:50:32,810 --> 00:50:34,590
Councillor Nelson, thanks Mr. Mayor.

680
00:50:35,170 --> 00:50:39,270
Well, I certainly support the position that our regional directors have taken on this matter

681
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:40,910
and thank you very much for your hard work.

682
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:47,450
Thank you, staff, and the way to thank the Department for the good work and what I like

683
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:51,590
to do at this time is move the fire chiefs of recommend and motion.

684
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:57,970
second. Councillor Dion. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a and I'm going to certainly hope

685
00:50:57,970 --> 00:51:01,830
we've heard this. I did it earlier. I'm quite, quite supportive of bringing these

686
00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:08,250
home under our fire chiefs control and our department. But can we recap a little bit

687
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:13,450
like to hear a little bit more, a few more comments regarding when this moves forward in

688
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:17,770
large April and there's an accident up in the connector and obviously we're going to be

689
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:24,150
How are we going to go after recouping some of those extra costs outside of the regional

690
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:25,410
system now?

691
00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:32,400
Through the relationship, the auto-extrication one-like councilor office mentioned is one

692
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:40,900
that we right now were supplemented by there's this special project line on responses

693
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:46,720
in the regional budget and that supplements are down our short-pull and funding when we're

694
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,440
one up the connector, and so that will have to have continuous talk with the region to maintain

695
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,600
that funding for us responding up the Kentucky connector and ensure that stays on past

696
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,840
April for us.

697
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,380
So that's another portion that we still have to talk with.

698
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,700
Councillor Oswitler, do you want to thank you?

699
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:09,800
You were just wanted to make very clear that if we're providing these non-core services, other

700
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,260
than road risk, or the GFHS and road risk we just covered off, if we're providing no services,

701
00:52:14,740 --> 00:52:21,260
outside the boundaries of West Columbia, we can only do that if we have a service agreement with the

702
00:52:21,260 --> 00:52:26,400
Rowe West side and or with Pichrand and that is where we expect to go with this program. We expect

703
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,380
that they're going to need us to provide those services and we're waiting for them to come and talk

704
00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:35,820
to us about how that might be done. So that's what we expect to happen. If they haven't made arrangements

705
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:40,940
with us, the answer is that they and they choose to stay in the existing program and they're going

706
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:44,340
speech from Colin. If it's a high- and low-rescue up in the Colville,

707
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,820
somewhere. If it's a low-rescue, it's covered off.

708
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,980
Thank you. I think we have everything we need to go on that move in

709
00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:58,420
second-ode, all discussions finished, all in favor, here's the

710
00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:03,800
Communanimus. Thank you, council. Thank you very much. Thank you to presenters.

711
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:12,000
We'll go back to this garage to take us through the next step.

712
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,480
So this is now part of our budget.

713
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,720
One thing down.

714
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,540
This change is already.

715
00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:33,430
Okay, so we're up to page 21.

716
00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:39,390
So there's an decrease in engineering services operations.

717
00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:42,030
And this one is an interesting one actually.

718
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:45,410
because this contains our roads budget.

719
00:53:46,310 --> 00:53:49,630
Now, what we've done here is you'll notice there's a line

720
00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:51,710
consulting and testing and road work.

721
00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:57,670
So last year, when we were uncertain of what our contractual

722
00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:02,130
obligations were, what our contract covered, what our

723
00:54:02,130 --> 00:54:05,330
responsibility is, where we had put some money in the

724
00:54:05,330 --> 00:54:08,090
in the consulting there to make sure that it was all covered off.

725
00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:11,210
Now, what we've discovered and we're still refining this and you will

726
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:18,650
see more going forward is that we need some more specific lines related to road work and road repair.

727
00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:26,410
And so what we've done is this year we've removed that consulting amount and we've brought forward and you'll see them in our supplemental items.

728
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:31,750
There's a couple relating to roads and you will see them again probably next year and ongoing.

729
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:41,890
But we've brought back, and this is probably more, we feel, and more transparent when we're doing it, but bringing back lines for what we are actually needing some money for.

730
00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:51,110
So you'll see in our supplemental items, but we're asking for some funds for ditching is one of the areas that we've recognized that we need some money.

731
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:59,530
So line items correct. So we will be bringing back, and I'm sure this will continue over the next couple of years as we find operations.

732
00:54:59,530 --> 00:55:02,530
And we determine what our budgets and our needs are.

733
00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:06,710
We'll be bringing back line items for council to approve

734
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:10,470
through the supplemental process, rather than dumping it all

735
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:12,230
into one line of consulting.

736
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:16,010
So the other thing that you'll see that the big difference in here

737
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:20,210
is the 253,000 for snow control costs.

738
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:22,690
If you recall a second and third reading last year,

739
00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:25,570
we brought forward a recommendation council to dump

740
00:55:25,570 --> 00:55:27,390
sort of additional funds that we found

741
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:33,750
between first and second and third readings into this one time 253,000 to cover off additional

742
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:39,590
snow events from last year. So that worked. We used those funds to cover those additional

743
00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:45,870
snow events and we removed that from the budget this year knowing that that was a one time

744
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:52,690
we're going to put some money in here to before we'd saved some money for that, etc.

745
00:55:52,690 --> 00:55:54,030
So that has been removed.

746
00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:58,350
So that's where you see the 4.54% decrease in this budget.

747
00:56:02,350 --> 00:56:04,410
I see, no hands off, so.

748
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:05,170
No, no, no.

749
00:56:05,230 --> 00:56:06,370
Where wins be it?

750
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:09,970
Yeah, and based on the numbers, no events.

751
00:56:10,570 --> 00:56:14,270
So far, they sure, I think we're fairly safe, although it could probably

752
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:17,030
reverse itself within the next month or in a month and a half.

753
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:22,290
So we don't bother putting in the contingency going forward years hence.

754
00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:33,230
So we built a reserve fund, as directed in the prior year, we've been putting we put a little bit of money away from the 2012 budget towards that reserve fund.

755
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:37,210
So we built this reserve fund and last year we'd asked council to max that.

756
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:41,910
And that's the reserve fund that we'll be asking that we'll be using for snow events going forward.

757
00:56:42,590 --> 00:56:47,270
Between the first reading in the second and third reading last year, we didn't have that reserve fund yet.

758
00:56:47,330 --> 00:56:51,590
We hadn't put away any money from we didn't have funds from 2012 at that point to know.

759
00:56:51,590 --> 00:56:55,510
So we put this in thinking, all we don't know, we're going to get here is so.

760
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:58,030
So there's no point in doing a contingency line.

761
00:56:58,210 --> 00:56:59,090
Are you going?

762
00:57:00,130 --> 00:57:01,830
So we built what we need.

763
00:57:02,170 --> 00:57:02,530
Yes.

764
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:05,230
But if we dip into that, then obviously.

765
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:08,710
You will see the line here again, asking for some additional funds.

766
00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:09,410
It also knows.

767
00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:13,050
Well, how much is it in that reserve of $400,000?

768
00:57:13,110 --> 00:57:13,810
$400,000.

769
00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:14,510
That's very helpful.

770
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:15,150
That's very good.

771
00:57:15,250 --> 00:57:16,350
Thank you.

772
00:57:17,070 --> 00:57:17,250
Okay.

773
00:57:24,750 --> 00:57:26,910
So let me skip a couple of pages here.

774
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:30,650
So

775
00:57:36,670 --> 00:57:43,590
there's a 6.34% increase in this budget, which is a bit of a mismurray in the sense that

776
00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:49,330
dollar-wise, it's not a significant amount of money. However, the difference is related to the

777
00:57:49,330 --> 00:57:55,250
temporary officer that this is the carry forward fund related to that temporary officer.

778
00:57:55,390 --> 00:58:00,690
The position is approved until March, until the end of March.

779
00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:03,510
So is it just the funds related to that?

780
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:07,310
Now, we have a report here on page 41.

781
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:09,990
Do we need to deal with that now?

782
00:58:10,270 --> 00:58:11,970
Or, I mean, you know, we worship you and dealt with it.

783
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:13,870
You've dealt with that on the FTE came forward.

784
00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:15,590
You've already busted that was just the pop-down

785
00:58:15,590 --> 00:58:17,250
information provided by Ms. Baton.

786
00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:18,270
We're going to go to the service.

787
00:58:18,610 --> 00:58:18,790
Great.

788
00:58:19,210 --> 00:58:19,570
Thank you.

789
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:21,810
So Ms. Baton can go back to the report, too.

790
00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:23,150
She's already left away.

791
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:26,250
That was already good.

792
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:26,770
Thank you.

793
00:58:27,350 --> 00:58:30,570
Councilor Mills, just a question on this page.

794
00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:35,050
that our administration please go up percentage once, like from your dear.

795
00:58:35,810 --> 00:58:43,030
So, the percentage of administration has not changed from the prior year, however the dollar figure of our administration has changed.

796
00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:47,330
So, you'll see an increase in the administration in most of these areas.

797
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:50,270
It's also related to the amount of expenses.

798
00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:56,010
So, as the amount went up in here, so did the administration be at the percentage of the total expenditures.

799
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:57,010
Thank you.

800
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,000
So, the next one is a good new state.

801
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:09,900
So I had mentioned earlier that there was a reduction in the transit revenue that we were expecting.

802
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:19,440
On the flip side, there was also a significant reduction in the expenditure cost of the transit as a result of the choices made by Council.

803
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:29,400
In addition to that, there was also the portion of the transit buses being paid for by gas tax funds that we've previously discussed with Council.

804
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,760
So this is resulted in a very significant savings here in transit.

805
00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:37,080
One of the areas, however, is you'll notice there's a significant increase in community

806
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:37,540
bus.

807
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,140
That one is being investigated by our staff.

808
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:42,480
That was a new one where it's transit hit us with.

809
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,860
So we are in the process of looking through that and hope to have a resolution to that

810
00:59:46,860 --> 00:59:48,320
before 2nd and 3rd readings.

811
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,020
Councillor Orfus has a comment.

812
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:52,760
Thank you.

813
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,260
Well, a question or two, but mostly a comment about transit because I think it's really important

814
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,960
that we put this service into.

815
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,840
Some kind of perspective and keep it on a non-going basis for a number of different reasons. But first, the question, what percentage of transfer services paid for by BC transit? 43 percent?

816
01:00:14,740 --> 01:00:25,000
Okay, so the cost that we see here are a little bit more than half of what it really costs to provide transit service in West Colona. That's one aspect of it.

817
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,640
And you mentioned this, the bus payments, the lease payments, our costs are going down to

818
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,900
certain extent, because we're using strategic gas tax funds at the regional level to pay

819
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:39,140
for some of our bus leases.

820
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,500
Do we know how much that is?

821
01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:44,380
Three years of I don't have a figure?

822
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:48,340
Well, I'd be interested to get to get what that is at some point, because of course, that's

823
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:53,820
another thing that's actually reduced the reported costs for transit, we see here.

824
01:00:53,820 --> 01:01:00,560
So, generally, the point is that it doesn't cost 2.7 million dollars to provide transit in

825
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,900
West Carolina costs closer to $5 million dollars.

826
01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:09,300
So it's very expensive, and of course there's less than a million dollars worth of revenue

827
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:13,960
coming in at the fair box on that, so netting it all up, but I just want to make the point

828
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:20,780
that I realize how important transit is to a whole lot of people in West Carolina, and

829
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:27,140
realize how difficult this whole issue is for council, but we really had to take action a year ago,

830
01:01:27,340 --> 01:01:32,140
I think, to, you know, try to rain into costs a little bit, and it has had, as Ms. Garus said,

831
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:38,860
a little bit of a positive impact on it, but the quality of transit, according to BC transit numbers,

832
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:48,320
I think, what they call, months split, transit, a common error accounts for 1% of all the trips,

833
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:55,720
one percent, all the trips made by residents of West Colona, all the rest are taking

834
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,200
the primarily by road, obviously, some people walk and some people ride their bikes.

835
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,320
Transit trips, at some moment, are one percent, and of course we have to invest in transit

836
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,680
in order to try to improve that a little bit. The objective with transit, if we

837
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,340
realize all our goals through the bus driver transit project and so on and so forth is to get that

838
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:23,760
one percent at some point in time to 5 percent and just a rough comparison in terms of costs

839
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:29,060
between what we spend on transit and what we spend on roads now that we have basically

840
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:34,340
a fully developed road system and not system but a road service in the district of

841
01:02:34,340 --> 01:02:39,240
Lescalona just based on the numbers that are here in front of us not including the half

842
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:44,900
of the cost that BC transit pays and the subsidy that we're putting into transit from strategic

843
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:50,260
gas tax funds that could use for other purposes if they weren't going to transit, transit sucks

844
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,920
up. Out of the total transportation budget, if you look at the cost of roads in the cost of

845
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:07,040
transit, transit sucks up 23% of our dollars and the other 77% goes into roads. So for 1% of

846
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:15,600
trips, we use 23% of our budget. And as I really can see, when you look at the tender

847
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:21,540
financial plan, these costs aren't going down, they're going up, and they're going up quite

848
01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:28,540
dramatically over time. So I just think it's really important for us to realize that, you

849
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:34,080
know, it's to provide a transit service in a small municipality with a very large geography,

850
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:39,780
with a small population is a very expensive undertaking and we just have to be really

851
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:45,020
really careful about where we go with this service, where we're at with it and where we

852
01:03:45,020 --> 01:03:53,940
go with this service. Very interesting. Councillor Winsfield. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, part

853
01:03:53,940 --> 01:04:00,900
two to that dissertation. Councillor Olfus is absolutely right and we're looking down the

854
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:07,880
did scary in terms of the kinds of costs we are going to incur to provide what essentially is

855
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:16,060
a social service in a difficult area, geographically, to serve. And it would be interesting

856
01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:24,580
looking at our budget figures. I'm assuming that they're broken out or separated in this document

857
01:04:24,580 --> 01:04:30,660
for a reason. I was a little bit puzzled about why we would see transit system operation

858
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:32,760
and then community boss, and then further down,

859
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,260
we would see Andy Dart.

860
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:36,240
But only things are broken out separately.

861
01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:39,620
And I'm assuming that that's because they're

862
01:04:39,620 --> 01:04:40,660
operated differently.

863
01:04:41,380 --> 01:04:41,940
Is that correct?

864
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,000
In other words, we couldn't just put

865
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,760
transit operation here at Azure Wine.

866
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:47,980
And that's the money and money out kind of thing.

867
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:49,840
I can answer the question in a moment.

868
01:04:49,940 --> 01:04:54,040
It would be interesting for the discussion

869
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,860
of the shared cost of transit to see what sort of cost

870
01:04:58,860 --> 01:05:05,840
recovery, there is in community box and in handy duct because of the service they provide

871
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:11,560
it, but they do provide rather as opposed to the transit system. So there's a little editorial

872
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:16,220
comment and perhaps, of course, can you like me a little bit?

873
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:22,420
Through the Russia, it is correct. They do operate all three systems separately. I believe

874
01:05:22,420 --> 01:05:28,180
that they have separate providers, even in some cases for these systems. So we are both separately

875
01:05:28,180 --> 01:05:34,240
for each one of these items and the controls for is different for each one of these items as well

876
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:40,420
as far as, you know, what we can request of transit and what they can request of us under the

877
01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:44,340
AOAs for each and we do sign separate AOAs as well for each one of these.

878
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:59,000
So, I guess what I'm asking is could we get as a council an indication of the

879
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:05,060
services. In other words, we know how much bus there is bringing in as a percentage of the total operating cost.

880
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,540
Could we do the same thing for community bus and any dark, perhaps to show that they haven't increased value.

881
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:11,900
You agreed that way?

882
01:06:11,980 --> 01:06:12,980
I think that that information.

883
01:06:17,490 --> 01:06:18,370
Councillor Nulls.

884
01:06:20,110 --> 01:06:20,650
Thank you, Roger.

885
01:06:22,350 --> 01:06:27,630
Well, I sure appreciate Councillor Oofus's dissertation there.

886
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:35,550
It's really, obviously, in my mind that we need to increase that 1%, that's totally ridiculous.

887
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:44,290
In this society and trying to be environmentally conscious and only 1% right, great transit,

888
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:50,590
that's totally ridiculous in my book, and I believe Council should be working very hard

889
01:06:50,590 --> 01:06:53,050
to increase that percentage.

890
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:54,030
I

891
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,720
would just like to add one of the things about transit in terms of the costs and we know

892
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:08,660
what is important to people in our community and we do provide a good level of basic

893
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:16,020
service for community our size and I expect our service to be in fact improved with bus

894
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:22,800
route to transit, the point A to B to C in a very timely manner, there is one additional

895
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:28,260
cost that's not factored in there, and it's been the very early stages, and that's a transit

896
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:35,700
garage. The current facility in Kalone cannot stay in the long term, or even the medium term,

897
01:07:35,820 --> 01:07:41,980
where it is. It's going to be an additional cost to all of all of the members of Kalone

898
01:07:41,980 --> 01:07:51,820
regional transit, which includes us to basically acquire a built and operate a new facility. It will

899
01:07:51,820 --> 01:07:54,960
be inclined because that's central to the whole system.

900
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,000
The figures we've seen so far, no doubt will come down.

901
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,780
The early figures we've seen are quite scary $40 million, which is a lot of money even

902
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:09,700
for the region to absorb and our share of that would be 20-25 percent of that.

903
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:12,580
That's a pretty big hit on West Cologne.

904
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:19,140
So all the more reason to keep a very, very close eye on this service both here and what

905
01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:24,240
goes on throughout the clone of region and through the STPCO.

906
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:29,700
It's a pretty, pretty scary service, cost-wise going forward.

907
01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:34,260
I know people rely on it and we do our very best to accommodate those people and

908
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:42,420
the room changes in frequency and the BRT, but we cannot be in a position where this goes faster

909
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:45,960
than all of the other things that we need to do in the district to less clone.

910
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:55,400
I think Mr. Miller, in order for a council to gain a, I guess, a clear understanding of

911
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,040
these costs, can we get a breakdown from VC transit on these numbers?

912
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:04,540
Like 1.6 for 1.6 million plus, can we get a line by line breakdown?

913
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,680
Is it too? How those costs? How they total?

914
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,020
I appreciate that.

915
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,300
Thank you.

916
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:17,600
So, we've talked about transit.

917
01:09:18,020 --> 01:09:19,640
All right.

918
01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:21,980
That you didn't think we were going to talk about it there.

919
01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:24,560
It's like this.

920
01:09:25,420 --> 01:09:27,420
Okay, we're on to our cemetery.

921
01:09:28,940 --> 01:09:31,380
So, if they could increase some dollars, again, in the cemetery,

922
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,480
this is the one that I mentioned earlier.

923
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,000
We need to talk about the fact that we'd be some quart sales now.

924
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,760
Of course, this one is completely user-free funded.

925
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:43,040
There is no tax implications whatsoever to this.

926
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:49,680
So, all of the expenses you see there are directly in relation to what we're expecting to recover in the sales.

927
01:09:55,070 --> 01:10:04,990
We're expecting the just as an added note, the asymmetry by-law will be coming forward shortly as well atlining all the setting off the fees and charges, et cetera, for the sale of that service.

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01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:09,460
Page 29,

929
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:13,910
everything in between that,

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01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:23,370
building in licenses, so this one is directly related

931
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:30,390
again to the reorganization. There's a 9.3% D, or 9.13% decrease and this is directly related

932
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:33,090
to the reorganization and the elimination of some positions.

933
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,540
And the next one, let's talk about the library.

934
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:52,420
So there's a 9.02% increase in the library

935
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:57,340
position as a director as a result of the requisition from the library.

936
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:04,560
I'm sorry who's that and is going to plead guilty on this one.

937
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:05,140
Thank you.

938
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:05,460
Worship.

939
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:14,340
I feel I have to speak to that one because as the rest of Council, I presume, knows at this point in time,

940
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:21,020
is that the library organization took the recommendation from from this Council about our own affairs.

941
01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:30,120
and used the proper count, the real number of people that live in our community, as opposed

942
01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:38,740
to the DC Census Bureau that said we had several thousand less people than the current census,

943
01:11:38,980 --> 01:11:46,080
so that we did. So this was sort of a one-time adjustment, and I see the figures for the next few years

944
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:53,020
estimated at about 2.75 to 0.8 percent, which is since the library does not have a 10-year

945
01:11:53,020 --> 01:12:01,800
budget. This is actually very interesting. What had happened as a result is that we are

946
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:10,140
still getting good service from the library. This year they conducted a financial allocation

947
01:12:10,140 --> 01:12:15,680
model analysis, which is currently known as the value for money, basically a service review.

948
01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:23,720
And the first of its kinds to my knowledge that's been done in any library organization

949
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:31,080
in this province, and it showed that, yes, there were certain communities that were getting

950
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:37,340
just about what they put in, and getting that return in services to the community.

951
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:47,520
Unfortunately, for me, as chair, it was difficult to accept that our own community, according to that study, was underserved.

952
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:55,200
That study was a financial snapshot a moment in time.

953
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:02,040
It was at the point where the West Bank first nation came into the library agreement.

954
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:10,160
and money has been put in, but not allocated, it was before we have a new chief executive officer

955
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:18,040
for the Oakland Regional Library who was there at the conclusion of the study and has been

956
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:24,740
urged by all member communities in the organization to look at the results of this allocation

957
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:32,020
services model analysis and to make the corrections where appropriate. And that process is

958
01:13:32,020 --> 01:13:39,620
already in order in West Clona underway and I expect to report back on that within the next six

959
01:13:39,620 --> 01:13:45,560
months as to where we're going with that. So this was a one-time major catch-up and it's

960
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:51,840
because number one we have more people and number two that our assessments had increases the

961
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:59,000
previous time that they were recorded. And according to the legislation, the levy is determined

962
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:05,280
50% on financial assessment values and 50% on population.

963
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:08,100
Thank you.

964
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,360
Appreciate the difficult position you're in.

965
01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:12,020
Councilor Orfus.

966
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:16,920
Thank you.

967
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:17,200
Thank you.

968
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,640
I thought you had Councilor Wilson on their head.

969
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:19,900
I got him after you.

970
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:20,360
Oh, after?

971
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:22,860
You'll soften them up.

972
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:24,020
Maybe.

973
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:25,500
Maybe not.

974
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:26,800
Well, thank you.

975
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,020
I appreciate everything that Councilor Zann in the set.

976
01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:30,760
I really appreciate her leadership.

977
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:35,400
but as I represent it on the library board and as chair of the library board,

978
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,960
because I can tell you having had a bit of experience with working with these

979
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,700
buff balance sheet organizations, if you want to call them that,

980
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,620
that you know, trying to get in there and exert a certain point of view,

981
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:53,100
particularly responsible point of view is difficult to next to them possible sometimes.

982
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:59,220
And I think that it's been a very difficult struggle to get this message across sometimes.

983
01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:59,860
Thank you.

984
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,080
Take a couple of points. When we look at this budget, this financial plan, almost invariably, the divisions, if you want

985
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:13,780
to call them not, that we struggle with the most, are ones that we do not have direct control over with.

986
01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:19,940
So the ones that you see were costs are quite frankly out of control, like some of them are,

987
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,800
tend to be for the most part, ones where there is no direct accountability.

988
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:28,080
We cannot tell BC transit how much is going to cost to provide transit. They tell how much,

989
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,580
I've tell us how much we're going to pay really difficult.

990
01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:39,340
We can't tell the RCMP how much it's going to cost or how much we're going to pay.

991
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:40,760
They tell us how much it's going to cost.

992
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,700
It's hard to tell the library how much we're going to pay.

993
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:46,120
They tell us how much it's going to cost.

994
01:15:47,540 --> 01:15:53,080
I think that's a really important point because I just want to make it clear that

995
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:59,520
So we are going to exert our will on some of these things as a council, but it takes a

996
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:05,840
whole lot more time than it does in services where we have direct responsibility.

997
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:11,320
And maybe I raised this this year because I'm just crablier than I ever have been about

998
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:16,520
this whole continuous exhalation in costs from some of these organizations, or maybe because

999
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,020
2014 is an election year, I don't know, one or the other.

1000
01:16:20,020 --> 01:16:25,900
But, you know, it's, we have to just keep pushing on this string with some of these organizations.

1001
01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:31,420
The, in the library, a requisition, for example, if you look over the 10-year financial plan,

1002
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,100
really happy that the staff has extracted these numbers, don't know how they did.

1003
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:40,700
But, the library costs are expected to increase by 31% over the next 10 years.

1004
01:16:42,620 --> 01:16:47,400
No, they can't increase by 31% over the next 10 years. They just cannot.

1005
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:53,320
Because we are under continuous pressure regularly sold from our citizens, from our constituents,

1006
01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:59,860
to provide more services and in order to provide more services, the existing ones that you have that you provide,

1007
01:17:00,340 --> 01:17:06,570
as they're spread over a bigger tax base and a bigger population base, have to cost less, not more,

1008
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,940
because otherwise you can't improve the level of service that you provided in the community.

1009
01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:19,480
So that's my only message and good luck with it, Councilor Zanne, no, no, 31% over the next two,

1010
01:17:19,620 --> 01:17:23,040
over the next 10 years from the Oconog and Regional Library. We can't afford it.

1011
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,060
We have other speakers, and then Councilor Zanne gets to wrap up on this one.

1012
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:37,980
So I'm going to listen then myself. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I agree 100% with Council Office

1013
01:17:37,980 --> 01:17:43,060
to start to say, and you're a goddess of how the increase occurred from, from last year

1014
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:52,360
to 2014, the increase in the yearly tax requisition equals about 1.1% of tax increase

1015
01:17:52,980 --> 01:17:54,300
to our taxpayers.

1016
01:17:55,140 --> 01:18:01,420
And what that does unfortunately, it could strain the financial ability for us to increase

1017
01:18:01,420 --> 01:18:05,060
our own service levels services delivered from the district.

1018
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:10,160
So it's quite a meaningful impact on our budgeting.

1019
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:17,100
You like the pile on this and in terms of the organizations and I'm on one on the board of one, too.

1020
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:25,130
The Hokenog and Basin Water Board and I put out that all of these organizations that we are concerned about in

1021
01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:32,210
Some of them are delivered by delivered differently, like the RCMP and transit, but library,

1022
01:18:32,770 --> 01:18:37,450
SAO, will be WB, and I include that as one we should be concerned about over the long term.

1023
01:18:38,490 --> 01:18:43,830
They are single focus, the people that get on those boards are passionate, and they're almost

1024
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:53,390
missionary for those services to get things done, and the problem with that is that there's no process

1025
01:18:53,390 --> 01:19:00,410
in place except here at a council table to scale those priorities against one another.

1026
01:19:00,910 --> 01:19:12,530
There are all the boards of these things are all single focused and consequently you get people who want to get something done and something they're passionate about and it's not really compared to anything else.

1027
01:19:12,910 --> 01:19:20,750
I must put in a commercial for OBWB in certainly the last couple of years they've lived within the existing framework.

1028
01:19:20,750 --> 01:19:26,990
and this, this percent, there's no, this year, no increase in, in, uh, uh, reposition overall.

1029
01:19:27,810 --> 01:19:33,850
So, counselors and I wanted to, you know, but, and then we can take very-

1030
01:19:33,850 --> 01:19:38,870
Well, not really, we should, I would just say that, uh, no, I agree with many things that have been said,

1031
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:44,510
and I think, uh, most of, uh, the library board would concur, and that's why we initiated the study,

1032
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:51,990
this year, but just like to say in reporting facts, we don't have a 10-year budget at

1033
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:52,410
the library.

1034
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:58,370
They were four runners in creating the sort of budget, but I will tell you that if we

1035
01:19:58,370 --> 01:20:02,890
took our first six years under consideration our first five years and had gone as protective

1036
01:20:02,890 --> 01:20:11,530
we would have had a 50% rise in taxes over that period of time at 5% per year in compounding.

1037
01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:16,310
And of course, now we've kept it at just under three.

1038
01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:18,370
So that's about the same number.

1039
01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:19,910
That is not a justification.

1040
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:23,810
The point is the overall library increased this year

1041
01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:27,350
with all of the total board was 1.2.4%

1042
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:30,290
and it's because of particular circumstances in time

1043
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:32,910
that we had this large increase.

1044
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:35,710
And I just wanted to draw everybody's attention

1045
01:20:35,710 --> 01:20:40,050
to an article that I just came across this morning.

1046
01:20:40,050 --> 01:20:48,530
We turned on investment that turned on Tonyans, received $5 and 63 cents of value for every dollar invested in their library.

1047
01:20:49,150 --> 01:20:55,370
Study was the first of its kind in Canada and done by the Rodman School of Management at the University of Toronto.

1048
01:20:56,110 --> 01:21:05,650
So I have passed this information on to the library board, and I'm interested to see what kind of a response that I might get on that.

1049
01:21:05,650 --> 01:21:21,830
All I can assure you is that we're on it, we're looking at it, and all of the member constituent 26 cities towns and first nations reserve that involve all interested in containing costs while delivering goods.

1050
01:21:22,810 --> 01:21:33,390
Thank you. I was going to suggest that we move on to a break, but I've been advised we have four more bullets on this page, and then we can wrap this section.

1051
01:21:33,390 --> 01:21:37,750
So please go ahead and we'll sit for a minute or two longer.

1052
01:21:38,370 --> 01:21:39,970
And some of them are very quick.

1053
01:21:40,710 --> 01:21:43,910
So economic development on page 32 is a decrease,

1054
01:21:44,090 --> 01:21:46,390
but that's simply related to a carry forward amount.

1055
01:21:46,570 --> 01:21:48,370
We haven't done our carry forwards.

1056
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:49,970
So you don't have a position in the additional

1057
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:51,050
for economic development.

1058
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:52,530
We're just carrying forward amount.

1059
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:54,270
We haven't done that yet.

1060
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:59,170
Facilities, the 155% of the facilities is related

1061
01:21:59,170 --> 01:22:02,790
to mostly wages, within that one.

1062
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:08,750
And that one is the related to some temporary coverage

1063
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:11,350
that we had approved in our years.

1064
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:13,370
And this is the first full year of that coverage.

1065
01:22:13,650 --> 01:22:15,210
So that's the big one.

1066
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:18,230
There's a specific about what that is.

1067
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:23,210
So there was previously an FTE that had never been filled,

1068
01:22:23,790 --> 01:22:27,690
that was for allocated, and we just recently started using that

1069
01:22:27,690 --> 01:22:30,470
for coverage over time coverage within that.

1070
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:33,230
So it's over time and a variety of places.

1071
01:22:33,230 --> 01:22:35,890
In a variety of places, within the facilities department.

1072
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:40,790
That's probably the largest increase there.

1073
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:43,810
Over the long parks,

1074
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,700
parks is at 3.68.

1075
01:22:49,780 --> 01:22:53,420
This is directly related to the students that were approved in the Faria budget.

1076
01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:57,940
So they went into that number and they went in that number last year.

1077
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:07,940
Finally, interesting debt, which is down significantly, and that's related to the expiry of the period of private building debt.

1078
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:16,400
There was some short term for private building debt that expired, and it's complete, so it's down 9.6%.

1079
01:23:21,070 --> 01:23:23,590
Councillor Orfus, and then Winsby.

1080
01:23:25,370 --> 01:23:25,550
Thank you.

1081
01:23:25,670 --> 01:23:30,070
I just want to make a comment about this because we've started having some discussions

1082
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:30,950
about district hall.

1083
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:33,930
And I just want to point out that this is a touch on this to an extent.

1084
01:23:34,830 --> 01:23:38,970
But in 2016, we'll have made our last payments for $410,000,

1085
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:44,890
approximately on money we borrowed for purchase of West Bank Town Center Park,

1086
01:23:45,070 --> 01:23:48,050
and on the land for the RCMP building.

1087
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:55,430
And so both those final payments will be made in 2015 or 2016, and we've started to budget

1088
01:23:55,430 --> 01:24:01,390
now in the capital plan with the expectation of a new civic center starting in 2017.

1089
01:24:02,290 --> 01:24:04,430
So, and that's just a little bit over 500,000.

1090
01:24:05,790 --> 01:24:09,790
So, just sort of people out there know that, you know, we're watching the amount of money that

1091
01:24:09,790 --> 01:24:14,450
we're borrowing, and that's a very important consideration in the plans moving forward.

1092
01:24:14,450 --> 01:24:18,730
and if they move forward or when they move forward on a new civic center?

1093
01:24:20,010 --> 01:24:20,770
Councillor Winzby.

1094
01:24:22,490 --> 01:24:23,190
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1095
01:24:23,530 --> 01:24:27,550
I can probably answer this question myself, but bouncing back to recreation, which we

1096
01:24:27,550 --> 01:24:37,310
had witnessed with respect to the West Bank Lions Hall and the very unfortunate situation

1097
01:24:37,310 --> 01:24:38,210
there.

1098
01:24:38,210 --> 01:24:45,170
I'm gathering that there is no budget implication for us with the restoration of that building.

1099
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:51,150
And the operation of the program, so I know the spin-discussable beyond this table,

1100
01:24:51,890 --> 01:24:58,110
but I'm assuming that things will proceed and the lines will after the rebuilding,

1101
01:24:58,710 --> 01:25:04,570
or they're fixing up, and that all the programs will be in place without any impact on our budget.

1102
01:25:05,570 --> 01:25:12,610
Through your worship, that is correct. We've also reflected in the budget, the partial reduction in the boys and girls'

1103
01:25:12,850 --> 01:25:18,010
club, the payment related to the current facility with the anticipation that they will be moving back in.

1104
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:19,930
At some point, it's also reflected in.

1105
01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:27,590
In my understanding about the Lions Hall is that they feel they were fully insured to basically put the building as it was.

1106
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:38,630
They are applying potentially for some grants related to better handicapped accessibility and we may be asked to provide letters or for that when that comes.

1107
01:25:38,930 --> 01:25:45,430
And of course they do have a fairly awesome fundraising capacity and lots of offers if they want to do that.

1108
01:25:45,570 --> 01:25:56,890
So I'd be surprised if there was a ever-nask from the District of Westglone and they've been pretty clear about that since the day of that senders went up.

1109
01:26:00,050 --> 01:26:01,890
So that's this section.

1110
01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:03,790
That covers this section.

1111
01:26:04,130 --> 01:26:10,070
The only other two pieces I should quickly add that's in here is the operating related to the water and sewer.

1112
01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:16,270
Of course, the water and sewer are completely recovered by user fees and there is reports coming forward to council.

1113
01:26:16,730 --> 01:26:21,330
Related to the waterfront master plan and the sewer master plan which will affect those rates.

1114
01:26:21,330 --> 01:26:27,330
So, the discussion here would be limited-based waiting for those reports.

1115
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:32,430
Okay, we don't need a motion on this section.

1116
01:26:32,610 --> 01:26:33,070
I gather it.

1117
01:26:33,070 --> 01:26:37,230
It comes with the main motion and the light is the first reading.

1118
01:26:38,290 --> 01:26:40,590
Let's break for five minutes.

1119
01:26:42,010 --> 01:26:49,870
Ms. Gauss, who's going to present the operating requests to the 2014 budget.

1120
01:26:49,870 --> 01:26:54,170
So these are the 2014 supplemental operating budget requests.

1121
01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:58,470
These are the additional line items that we are requesting for the 2014 budget.

1122
01:26:59,250 --> 01:27:01,490
Some of them, there's one of them that's going to actually

1123
01:27:01,490 --> 01:27:04,770
one time request and the rest of them on going.

1124
01:27:05,070 --> 01:27:08,670
So we'll be in the budget continuing forward.

1125
01:27:10,930 --> 01:27:12,750
I will just read down the list.

1126
01:27:12,970 --> 01:27:15,110
If you have any comments, please start me.

1127
01:27:15,570 --> 01:27:17,310
The first is the cemetery operations.

1128
01:27:17,310 --> 01:27:23,310
It's really important to note that one is a page 57, the under the web tab in your

1129
01:27:25,570 --> 01:27:26,170
finders.

1130
01:27:26,710 --> 01:27:32,470
It's important to note that any increase in the cemetery operations again is related to

1131
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:35,310
the user fees collected through the cemetery.

1132
01:27:36,650 --> 01:27:37,450
So that's that one.

1133
01:27:38,210 --> 01:27:40,070
The next two are parts requests.

1134
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:48,470
One of Streetsgate's enhancements, one of his bullfight maintenance related to the additional capital projects.

1135
01:27:48,850 --> 01:28:02,970
There was a report that had been bought forward previously by Mr. Mueller and the operations department regarding the increase in parks and capital projects that require additional maintenance.

1136
01:28:03,230 --> 01:28:08,290
And these two items are specifically related to actually the third one is as well, the true following contract.

1137
01:28:14,140 --> 01:28:19,900
Again, the next one is another one that's related to the same thing, the security contract, additional funding.

1138
01:28:24,130 --> 01:28:24,310
Find it?

1139
01:28:24,530 --> 01:28:28,610
That's an increase and you mentioned in the attachment.

1140
01:28:30,330 --> 01:28:32,150
It's by and large, Richard Park.

1141
01:28:32,410 --> 01:28:32,790
That's correct.

1142
01:28:32,810 --> 01:28:37,870
So to keep an eye on things that do the, what is the Commissioner?

1143
01:28:38,430 --> 01:28:38,690
I guess.

1144
01:28:38,690 --> 01:28:39,670
The Commissioner is that's correct.

1145
01:28:39,670 --> 01:28:41,810
As well, we're talking to the RCMP.

1146
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:42,870
That's correct.

1147
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:46,850
Okay, so we're putting a fair bit more on resources.

1148
01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:49,830
and to keep you in our own things, sir. Thank you.

1149
01:28:50,450 --> 01:28:55,330
Okay. The next one is corporate services for radio advertising. This is our only one time

1150
01:28:55,330 --> 01:29:00,690
cost or reported in BOT for a decouncil previously regarding this. And this was the request

1151
01:29:00,690 --> 01:29:06,050
to do a one time radio advertising this year and to judge the benefit of that on an ongoing

1152
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:14,630
basis, but the request is for this one year only. The next two are drainage. As we get into

1153
01:29:14,630 --> 01:29:21,370
of our operations, we realized that we had significant issues with drainage around the district.

1154
01:29:22,570 --> 01:29:28,150
And these two items are to deal with some of the emergency work related to drainage.

1155
01:29:28,990 --> 01:29:32,350
The operations roads is, as I mentioned earlier, go ahead.

1156
01:29:32,910 --> 01:29:33,670
Councillor Dow.

1157
01:29:34,290 --> 01:29:35,230
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1158
01:29:35,390 --> 01:29:39,910
I just was wondering if we could get a brief update as well,

1159
01:29:40,290 --> 01:29:42,630
where we are regarding the problems and cost recovery.

1160
01:29:42,630 --> 01:29:45,430
for some of the conditions of the roads that we inherited.

1161
01:29:46,270 --> 01:29:46,710
Mr. Jones?

1162
01:29:47,010 --> 01:29:47,370
I thank you.

1163
01:29:47,570 --> 01:29:51,950
As Council will recall, at UBCM this year, there was a commitment that by October 31st,

1164
01:29:52,030 --> 01:29:52,850
we would have agreement.

1165
01:29:53,650 --> 01:29:55,810
At this time, we're still working out those details.

1166
01:29:56,410 --> 01:29:59,650
I'd most recently been in contract with Mr. Tecano.

1167
01:30:00,370 --> 01:30:07,210
And Mr. Mueller who's shepherding this for us. There's a commitment that we'd be looking to get that agreed by January 31st.

1168
01:30:07,550 --> 01:30:12,390
So my whole business, that is the case, and certainly there is a meeting of coming with the MLA.

1169
01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:16,530
We're council can share that update and ensure that the prominence remains on that.

1170
01:30:16,630 --> 01:30:22,410
And in terms of getting what council has looked for, based on that original motion that you did in January 2013.

1171
01:30:27,490 --> 01:30:38,070
So just in the road as I had previously mentioned under the operating budget, this is a line item that staff are requesting regarding ditching and dealing with ditching within the district.

1172
01:30:38,710 --> 01:30:49,050
This is one line item that we recognize this year and there will be more line items likely as we go forward and refine our budgeting process and determine the level of work that needs to be done.

1173
01:30:49,050 --> 01:30:54,190
So, the next one I should probably spend a few minutes talking about, the next one is the

1174
01:30:54,190 --> 01:30:56,550
JB Mac increase in the management contract.

1175
01:30:57,570 --> 01:31:05,150
So, over the last few years, JB Mac has been experiencing some losses and as staff,

1176
01:31:05,390 --> 01:31:13,830
we've worked closely with the management to attempt to mitigate these losses and to increase

1177
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:19,850
advertising and assist them with anything that we could do to increase patronage at

1178
01:31:19,850 --> 01:31:20,150
cool.

1179
01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:27,010
So last year, rather than reducing the budget significantly, we increased the advertising

1180
01:31:27,010 --> 01:31:34,630
budget and did our first scale of a sale that advertising to try and increase the attendance

1181
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:40,350
that hasn't been we've seen some limited success with that, unfortunately.

1182
01:31:40,350 --> 01:31:54,130
And so this year when we sat down with the management of JDAC, we realized that there was not going to be a significant increase when we're not going to meet the revenues in future years that we have projected.

1183
01:31:55,010 --> 01:32:06,410
So this increase here, there's 64,515 really represents a reduction of the amount of revenues that we're expecting in that facility, and that will be ongoing.

1184
01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:33,490
My comment, yeah, this is a very important facility, and we hear from people who use it from time to time, and it's important for the health of people, I wish I had time to go there and on a regular basis, it strikes me though there were faced with an ongoing slippery slope here.

1185
01:32:33,490 --> 01:32:36,990
I'm not sure of what the factors are.

1186
01:32:37,150 --> 01:32:40,530
We can speculate that if they just can't compete with the H2O Center,

1187
01:32:41,150 --> 01:32:43,810
I suspect that that is a lot to do with it,

1188
01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:47,550
but because there's so much at H2O,

1189
01:32:47,650 --> 01:32:50,730
you know, it's a Disney land of Sourine Kools,

1190
01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:53,290
that particularly families go over there.

1191
01:32:53,370 --> 01:32:54,130
It's a big attraction.

1192
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:57,950
I know my son from Grand Forks actually comes to Colorado.

1193
01:32:58,150 --> 01:33:01,130
He used the H2O from time to time with his kids.

1194
01:33:01,130 --> 01:33:08,050
flood economy, more and more people feeling pressures, can they, you know, the first kind

1195
01:33:08,050 --> 01:33:10,270
of thing, and you know, though, is how you spend your leisure dollar.

1196
01:33:10,850 --> 01:33:17,930
And then I wonder if demographics are at play here, as we say, let's say we have more and

1197
01:33:17,930 --> 01:33:24,330
more snowbirds, and we've certainly seen other things that go on in our society impacted

1198
01:33:24,330 --> 01:33:30,290
by less and less of the retired people around during the winter when that would be the prime

1199
01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:35,450
time to use this. So I'm very concerned we're on an ongoing kind of slippery slope here, right

1200
01:33:35,450 --> 01:33:43,950
now we're doing rescue missions, patch up, and hopefully those will work out, but at some

1201
01:33:43,950 --> 01:33:49,150
point I think we're going to have to take a real good hard look at this. Not to close it, but

1202
01:33:49,150 --> 01:33:51,950
can it be sustained in the present way that it's operated?

1203
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,100
Councillor Winsby. I think it is to

1204
01:33:57,100 --> 01:34:02,780
I'm just wondering, remember, I'm assuming here that there's virtually no wiggle room as far as

1205
01:34:02,780 --> 01:34:08,980
fees are concerned, that it in comparison, given that there is the competitive situation.

1206
01:34:10,580 --> 01:34:15,600
Well, is there wiggle room and what percentage of this proposed increase in the management

1207
01:34:16,260 --> 01:34:21,240
fee? Is it of growth revenues? Mr. Jones.

1208
01:34:21,940 --> 01:34:26,520
Your response suggests, in terms of this, is a detailed report from staff to come back to council

1209
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:31,780
in terms of the revenues and what that impact may be on attendance and how they're operated

1210
01:34:31,780 --> 01:34:35,080
are actually in attendance as well to answer some of these specific questions of council.

1211
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,360
So I'll make note of that and we'll bring that forward in its totality.

1212
01:34:39,620 --> 01:34:40,380
I think it'd be helpful.

1213
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:45,320
I think it would be because it does have an impact on a budgeting process where we are in terms

1214
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:50,840
of our ability to get money in the door as opposed to letting it go.

1215
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:56,040
And that is a report, not necessarily for this budget, but as a longer term discussion,

1216
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,740
And we're probably going to have to bite the bullet here this year.

1217
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,380
Councillor Dionne and Councillor Sanne.

1218
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:07,220
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and I take comfort in the fact that we're going to be looking

1219
01:35:07,220 --> 01:35:09,500
at a report and be quite interested to see it.

1220
01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:15,240
This is an important facility for the district, and many people still do use it, but a disturbing

1221
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:16,900
trend in trend nonetheless.

1222
01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:20,760
My question, I would like to regard to the dollar value here.

1223
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:26,020
Budget amount is just over 64,000 been at loss in 2012 and apparently 2013.

1224
01:35:26,020 --> 01:35:31,180
is expected to be similar to just over 38,000.

1225
01:35:31,220 --> 01:35:33,400
So we're looking at the net loss of 38,000,

1226
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:36,420
and an increase of ask of 64,000,

1227
01:35:36,420 --> 01:35:37,320
why the difference?

1228
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,800
Well, three of Russia, the biggest difference there is

1229
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,020
the operator has worked very hard to contain costs

1230
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,040
in this time and during these losses

1231
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,220
and they are extremely concerned about the fact

1232
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:52,580
that we have to continue to bring back the costs.

1233
01:35:52,580 --> 01:35:58,180
And unfortunately, I think that they have done cost containment to the point that it's not sustainable.

1234
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:05,840
And so, the extra amount really represents the expenditures that they should be making on an annual basis.

1235
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:13,600
And right now, we're choosing not to reduce the amount of loss that the district refunds them for.

1236
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:21,100
But I will tell you that comes generally speaking at the expense of wage increases for their staff.

1237
01:36:26,090 --> 01:36:27,210
Councillor Jenner?

1238
01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:29,930
Yes, you wish.

1239
01:36:30,530 --> 01:36:36,350
Since a report has been mentioned here, I'd like serve a comprehensive update on the

1240
01:36:36,350 --> 01:36:42,270
capital expenditures as well, because we have spent a lot of money already upgrading this

1241
01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:42,650
pool.

1242
01:36:43,210 --> 01:36:49,930
And I see that in the capital requests is over the base for 2014 is already over $200,000

1243
01:36:49,930 --> 01:36:50,490
there.

1244
01:36:51,090 --> 01:36:56,010
So I think we have to put the two things together, both the capital and the operating

1245
01:36:56,010 --> 01:37:04,430
have a good long-term look at where we're going with this and and trying to make it, you know,

1246
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:14,030
as up-to-date and convenient and less of a burden as we can do using our expertise and our staff

1247
01:37:14,030 --> 01:37:18,590
and the knowledge that we have. So I'm not sure if we need an extra motion on that right now,

1248
01:37:18,630 --> 01:37:23,070
you worship her. Mr. Johnson committed to ensuring there was a report by Ford,

1249
01:37:23,070 --> 01:37:28,370
and asking for a motion and he's been taking notes of the nature of that report. I'm sure

1250
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:34,240
Ms. Galls is assuming you're going to be involved in doing financial report and I know you have

1251
01:37:34,630 --> 01:37:35,550
sharp pencils.

1252
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:41,050
Councillor Oofus. Thank you.

1253
01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:45,030
I'm just a further to the issue of a report on this facility. Great idea.

1254
01:37:45,450 --> 01:37:50,530
But I'm wondering whether or not it's possible for us to look at some efficiency measures of some kind

1255
01:37:50,530 --> 01:37:55,530
it possible to get some comparable figures for other similar facilities, what they cost, how

1256
01:37:55,530 --> 01:38:00,070
they're operated and so on, because we're really interesting to see, you know, maybe we're

1257
01:38:00,070 --> 01:38:04,230
just flat out, to be kidding ourselves that you can't operate it, so like this for what we've

1258
01:38:04,230 --> 01:38:09,330
been trying to operate it for and, and you know, at the end of the day, if it's a valuable

1259
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:14,430
service and we provide the service for five bucks on visit in the next Jeep to stop

1260
01:38:14,430 --> 01:38:20,750
the whole world is aid. I mean I think we know that we've got a bit of an issue whether we like

1261
01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:25,990
the tax increase or not. So I think some efficiency measures and comparisons to other similar

1262
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:33,990
facilities. And maybe some analysis of the competitive environment would be a good idea if we

1263
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:37,350
can get a hold of that. I'm not sure when this report is going to come forward if it's going to be in

1264
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:41,810
time for the budget process or not. So that was pretty true. Yeah, okay. So the sub-mind it's way into

1265
01:38:41,810 --> 01:38:45,330
into the operational plan for some time later in 2014, excellent.

1266
01:38:45,890 --> 01:38:49,470
So we have to deal with this for at least on a one-time basis.

1267
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:52,010
Now, who's good?

1268
01:38:52,330 --> 01:38:55,850
I think it's important to know that, you know, staff have worked,

1269
01:38:56,350 --> 01:39:03,550
and staff on the district side have spent the last two years working diligently to try and

1270
01:39:03,550 --> 01:39:09,870
get us to the point where we thought that we could really justify and increase the council.

1271
01:39:09,870 --> 01:39:18,990
We wanted to make sure that the losses that were being experienced weren't one-off losses that they weren't losses that could be compensated by a ton of extra advertising that they weren't

1272
01:39:18,990 --> 01:39:27,610
And we've really gotten to the point where we are unable to say that we can continue as we are without reducing our revenue productions.

1273
01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:29,870
I think Council realizes that.

1274
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:31,690
Hence the report.

1275
01:39:32,130 --> 01:39:32,730
Yeah.

1276
01:39:33,810 --> 01:39:35,010
Thank you.

1277
01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:35,450
Next.

1278
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:36,090
Okay.

1279
01:39:36,090 --> 01:39:49,650
So, the next one is recreation stage rentals, and that was as a result of the recommendation on a report that came forward to council that we rent a stage as opposed to building or purchasing a stage.

1280
01:39:52,050 --> 01:39:53,710
The next two, by law enforcement.

1281
01:39:53,730 --> 01:39:55,650
Councillor Dion has a question on that.

1282
01:39:56,630 --> 01:39:57,350
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1283
01:39:57,490 --> 01:39:58,490
So, our question to curiosity.

1284
01:39:58,650 --> 01:39:59,410
I'm just curious.

1285
01:40:00,190 --> 01:40:04,330
We have seen different pictures of different stages from staff in the past.

1286
01:40:05,230 --> 01:40:11,050
I'm thrilled that we're going to get a rental stage for music in the park and the West Side

1287
01:40:11,050 --> 01:40:12,110
Day's events and everything.

1288
01:40:12,330 --> 01:40:16,170
I'm just going to curious what are we getting for $2,200 a pop kind of idea.

1289
01:40:22,940 --> 01:40:23,420
Three worship.

1290
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,380
The stage as being proposed is when some of that you've seen in the past where it's kind

1291
01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:32,160
of a trailer type device that basically opens up and it'll have a roof and everything else

1292
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:32,640
on top of it.

1293
01:40:32,700 --> 01:40:32,840
Cool.

1294
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:33,620
So this roof.

1295
01:40:34,340 --> 01:40:34,800
Come on.

1296
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:37,980
Yeah.

1297
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:48,160
And let's see, Balaan first, Narsha's past and Narsha's red control, of course, as a result

1298
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:52,880
of the services that have been taken over by the district, from the regional district.

1299
01:40:54,140 --> 01:41:01,980
And the last one is the utilities, and this is a request that's come forward as we also,

1300
01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:07,140
So, part and parcel, I suppose, with the roads contract and some of the issues that have

1301
01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:14,740
been highlighted, but it's to deal with the utility side of that, of the ditching and the

1302
01:41:14,740 --> 01:41:17,220
issues that arise out of that.

1303
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:21,440
Thank you.

1304
01:41:22,020 --> 01:41:22,620
I don't see anything.

1305
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,660
I think that these ones have to be approved.

1306
01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:29,620
You would like a motion for the supplementary and supplemental operating request?

1307
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:30,060
Yes.

1308
01:41:30,660 --> 01:41:37,180
Councilor Olfys, Councilor Nelson, seconded in for their discussion all in favour.

1309
01:41:37,940 --> 01:41:38,800
What was the opinion carried?

1310
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:39,720
Mr. Johnson.

1311
01:41:40,420 --> 01:41:43,960
I just know the reason that we ask Council to make those motions is we can follow a lot

1312
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:45,080
bad as they're completed.

1313
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:48,740
They come off the motion list, so they're tracked by Council Council against the opportunity

1314
01:41:48,740 --> 01:41:50,440
to see when they back enacted.

1315
01:41:51,180 --> 01:41:55,400
No, and that's good, because we've been doing that for every section except the overall

1316
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:58,320
operating budget which we cover off at the end.

1317
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:02,800
where these are incorporated into that. So capital budget by division I assume.

1318
01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:10,280
That's where we're at capital budget by division. So a couple of things here just quickly to review.

1319
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:16,860
We talked previously. I mentioned in December when I stood before you about base versus value added.

1320
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:21,820
And as you can see over our forms have been done with a base and a value added.

1321
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:28,300
The base of what staff are suggesting we need to continue operations at the district and to do the work that we need to do.

1322
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:31,180
Some of it's resulted from risk and safety.

1323
01:42:32,660 --> 01:42:37,280
Value added is really items that have been brought forward,

1324
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,760
that represent increases or improvements to amenities,

1325
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,760
roads, services for the citizens of West Carolina.

1326
01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:48,080
Okay, so we're going to start with under the first half of the words.

1327
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,840
And we're going to start with that one.

1328
01:42:51,840 --> 01:43:01,300
So just to highlight, a couple of the big ones, previously we discussed, there's the road we have program,

1329
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:12,200
which we were planning on supplementing with the work or the in-kind service to be provided from the ministry when that decision comes to a finalization.

1330
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:14,120
This Mr. Johnson has mentioned.

1331
01:43:16,060 --> 01:43:19,360
We have 140,000 towards our pedestrian improvement program,

1332
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:20,960
which shows our side rock program.

1333
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,300
We have two large projects,

1334
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,960
which we've previously presented to Council

1335
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,620
and thought forward a discussion regarding phasing

1336
01:43:28,620 --> 01:43:29,780
each of these projects.

1337
01:43:29,860 --> 01:43:31,840
So that's the Galatry and the West Lake Road.

1338
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,460
You can see them in the value added column.

1339
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,960
The 25 and the 45 related to the Shannon Lake Road,

1340
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,880
that's actually designed on a roundabout.

1341
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,900
That was a promise that was made to a developer,

1342
01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:51,040
so that the Constitute will see the construction for that in 2015.

1343
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:52,600
That's why we've added it today,

1344
01:43:52,780 --> 01:43:56,800
because we should be doing this based on promises made to the developer.

1345
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:03,220
Further down, there is three traffic calming designs.

1346
01:44:05,300 --> 01:44:07,100
There's traffic calming for developers,

1347
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:12,480
Richard and Casalana for 60,000. And then there's the construction of the two traffic

1348
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:17,540
coming initiatives from the studies that were done in 2013, first with Creek and so

1349
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:25,780
fishery. The bridge maintenance for 180,000, this is a as a result of the risk assessment report

1350
01:44:25,780 --> 01:44:32,100
that had come forward previously again to Council. This is 180,000 dollars worth of work.

1351
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:39,900
And family, there's low assessment, which is the Rock Face Maintenance, also mentioned a council in a prior last week, actually.

1352
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:44,940
We're going to see some risk work that needs to be done around some of our rock faces.

1353
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:48,920
Maybe third-day on.

1354
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:56,080
Thank you, Your Worship. First, I'm going to talk about the traffic calming in the different neighborhoods.

1355
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,760
Once again, I see in here traffic cushions, I know, as a group.

1356
01:44:59,760 --> 01:44:59,960
But...

1357
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,820
The council has decided that we're going to move forward with traffic cushions. I'm going to use this as an opportunity to once again say, I don't think we should be using traffic cushions. I think if we're going to put a speed bump in there, it should be a speed bump that put those roll gaps in there is a waste in the emergency service vehicle axle width. There's no different than another similar size truck. And I don't see the value in having a bunch of gaps on there. So I'm not in favor of speed cushions in general. So we're going to let that go. Let me clarify one thing.

1358
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:38,960
I mean, I said, but I'm assuming the cost is differences, not that large, and that each of

1359
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:46,660
these items, traffic calming, each one of these initiatives will come back before Council

1360
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:50,340
for a discussion based on the design.

1361
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:54,320
Yes, your worship, just as similar as the other ones previously have.

1362
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:54,800
Wonderful.

1363
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:58,820
So we only did deal with today in the end of that level.

1364
01:45:59,100 --> 01:46:00,280
But if you have another question,

1365
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,880
they're not in order to track the questions.

1366
01:46:03,620 --> 01:46:04,700
Are we going to be discussing today?

1367
01:46:04,900 --> 01:46:07,620
They go at the West Lake Road improvements,

1368
01:46:07,820 --> 01:46:10,520
and which one was my question,

1369
01:46:10,780 --> 01:46:14,640
too, to clarify them that this,

1370
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:18,720
with the exception of the Galilee versus West Lake,

1371
01:46:18,740 --> 01:46:20,480
this is pretty firm.

1372
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:25,380
But we do have to make a decision on gladly or a West Lake.

1373
01:46:25,900 --> 01:46:26,500
Is that correct?

1374
01:46:26,740 --> 01:46:27,300
Through you, Richard.

1375
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,920
We as staff have recommended and in back you'll see that there is a 10-year capital plan.

1376
01:46:32,980 --> 01:46:35,440
In the 10-year capital plan, we've got what we recommend.

1377
01:46:35,980 --> 01:46:41,660
As staff, we recommend that the West Lake road be completed in whole this year.

1378
01:46:42,060 --> 01:46:47,840
However, we have put the phased costs for each and here, which gives Council a chance to adjust that

1379
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:56,780
neither create due different phases or the total amount of that we were looking to spend

1380
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:04,840
wasn't going to exceed the total of, obviously, the West Lake project.

1381
01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:13,500
So just to clarify that, and we should probably have a motion to approve this section.

1382
01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:16,160
Capital Request, but we,

1383
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:20,320
the other thing you accept a lot of the West Lake is firm,

1384
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,180
and our motion should also,

1385
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:25,300
maybe it's a separate motion to determine

1386
01:47:25,300 --> 01:47:27,240
whether it's West Lake or a Galilee.

1387
01:47:27,480 --> 01:47:27,940
That's true.

1388
01:47:27,940 --> 01:47:28,180
That's true.

1389
01:47:28,180 --> 01:47:30,000
If I had a process going ahead here.

1390
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:31,620
Okay, Councillor Nelson.

1391
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:34,840
Mr. Robertson suggests that

1392
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,480
in page 162, 163, 164,

1393
01:47:39,140 --> 01:47:41,340
there's a listing of core and value added

1394
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:49,580
side have been suggested that we, I guess, consider fully for the budget and concluded in

1395
01:47:49,580 --> 01:47:53,180
that it is the all the phases of West Lake Road.

1396
01:47:53,340 --> 01:47:59,360
I think it's an excellent report and last we can use this to make our motion space for

1397
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:00,180
motion time.

1398
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:08,720
I'd be more pleased to move the capital items for a road as presented on pages 162 to 164,

1399
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:11,680
And that includes the west, west, west, west, west, west, all on the basis.

1400
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:13,180
That's correct.

1401
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:15,220
Will that do the trick for you?

1402
01:48:15,460 --> 01:48:15,620
That will.

1403
01:48:15,860 --> 01:48:16,120
Okay.

1404
01:48:16,380 --> 01:48:18,280
Well, thank you for the leadership on that.

1405
01:48:18,980 --> 01:48:20,180
And we'll do a go back to council.

1406
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:20,720
Winds me then.

1407
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:21,920
Yeah, thank you.

1408
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:23,460
I was very angry with that council.

1409
01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:24,680
I'm also on the other side.

1410
01:48:25,060 --> 01:48:26,260
You have about this kind of confusing.

1411
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,280
I'm not sure whether value added is a wish list.

1412
01:48:30,060 --> 01:48:31,940
Whether it's something that we're definitely going to do.

1413
01:48:32,220 --> 01:48:36,120
So I think if we, now, are we going to run this further on?

1414
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:41,120
a similar kind of thing, or can we go to the appropriate section and deal with this girl's

1415
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:41,840
gonna answer your question?

1416
01:48:42,460 --> 01:48:48,400
I think the road is really the only one where we gave you an option. In the rest of the

1417
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:53,540
sections we've identified them as base and value added. However, we concluded all of the items

1418
01:48:53,540 --> 01:48:58,660
in our 10-year capital plan for a complication. At that point, you could remove some of the

1419
01:48:58,660 --> 01:49:03,500
value added items if you'd like, but roads is really the only one where we've given you the

1420
01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:09,520
option of adding one major project or the other one, although we are recommending the one.

1421
01:49:10,300 --> 01:49:11,720
I have a concert office.

1422
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:12,820
I'm just saying.

1423
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:13,860
I wrote a move in.

1424
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:16,660
What is the motion we have?

1425
01:49:16,900 --> 01:49:18,200
We're not there on it.

1426
01:49:19,220 --> 01:49:21,780
Sorry, the capital request.

1427
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:25,760
We approve the capital request as per roads.

1428
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,840
That's for page 162.

1429
01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:29,760
Let's see for you the 164.

1430
01:49:30,980 --> 01:49:32,560
One, two, one.

1431
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:35,540
Right to the slope assessment.

1432
01:49:35,900 --> 01:49:36,620
Rock face maintenance.

1433
01:49:37,180 --> 01:49:37,800
Something like that.

1434
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,900
So it's all in the, you know, 2014 column.

1435
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:42,800
Those three.

1436
01:49:43,060 --> 01:49:43,520
Right. Okay.

1437
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:44,340
Thank you.

1438
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:45,640
And I'll just check.

1439
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:46,140
Let's go.

1440
01:49:46,340 --> 01:49:48,080
If that works for you.

1441
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:48,640
You're clear.

1442
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,120
Can we maybe if it would be easier if we moved.

1443
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,620
The roads projects less.

1444
01:49:54,620 --> 01:50:03,900
the Galatley. So let's see 2014-3 and C- 2014-4 that's on the road's page.

1445
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:09,860
That's on the actual tabs as opposed to the 10-year.

1446
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,840
It's not in 2014, let's say.

1447
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:20,980
It's on the under-each tab where there's the backup. You can see the front page.

1448
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,280
But we can move the

1449
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:29,530
way we can move it that way that it is over the 10-year.

1450
01:50:31,710 --> 01:50:41,650
Yeah, that's okay. Okay, and that's 163 to 162 to 164. Yes. Okay, and then it's it's in there for a future year.

1451
01:50:41,650 --> 01:50:44,850
That's good. We should always be amended. Yeah. Yeah.

1452
01:50:45,470 --> 01:50:52,190
Galabi. Yeah. Well, I was just moving the capital budget request for 2014. Yeah.

1453
01:50:53,330 --> 01:51:05,470
That's okay, so Councillor Nelson is moving the capital budget request on page 162 to 164 as low as the line for 2014.

1454
01:51:05,790 --> 01:51:07,350
For roads for roads.

1455
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:09,210
Okay, we've got that.

1456
01:51:09,310 --> 01:51:10,290
Is that clear as mud?

1457
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:12,170
That worked for you?

1458
01:51:15,150 --> 01:51:17,190
Any further discussion on that?

1459
01:51:18,670 --> 01:51:19,250
Councillor Sam.

1460
01:51:34,510 --> 01:51:41,930
So, the last week is about $6 million, the total of the Galatley is about $5 million.

1461
01:51:42,770 --> 01:51:45,730
There's two phases of Galatley there, it's about $5 million.

1462
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:52,790
The Galilee project is not only the waterfront section, but it's also going up Galilee towards

1463
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:59,210
Whit McDonald's in most creek work and potentially around about as well.

1464
01:51:59,950 --> 01:52:00,350
That's fair.

1465
01:52:00,610 --> 01:52:03,590
And you were such a great speaker on that trip.

1466
01:52:03,690 --> 01:52:05,770
I think we used to have the local reason on that trip.

1467
01:52:06,730 --> 01:52:07,790
Are you on it?

1468
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:09,210
But we're going to do it.

1469
01:52:09,390 --> 01:52:12,350
But that may not be true for when you have another look at Galilee.

1470
01:52:12,450 --> 01:52:13,970
It may still be worth for Galilee.

1471
01:52:13,970 --> 01:52:17,090
because the nature of the geography there to phase them.

1472
01:52:17,450 --> 01:52:22,090
Okay, so all in favor of Councillor Milson's motion,

1473
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:27,610
it's a pose of any carried, so that gets built here.

1474
01:52:28,350 --> 01:52:34,190
And that I think feels with your Ms. Cat, Ms. Garros,

1475
01:52:37,670 --> 01:52:41,790
hang on a sec, we'll confer here and Mr. Johnson through.

1476
01:52:42,990 --> 01:52:47,410
So, there's that deal effectively with your 2014 roads.

1477
01:52:47,870 --> 01:52:48,490
How's it going?

1478
01:52:49,810 --> 01:52:50,030
That's right.

1479
01:52:50,110 --> 01:52:50,310
Excellent.

1480
01:52:50,730 --> 01:52:52,470
It's probably right along here then.

1481
01:52:52,650 --> 01:52:53,370
It's a storm drainage.

1482
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:54,950
Big.