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This work session of the Westland City Council. It is Tuesday, October 21, 2025, 603 P.M., got a nice full agenda tonight with several council priorities and projects of importance to the community and the city on our agenda. So we'll get right into it. First item is just to approve the agenda. So I would entertain a motion.

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Thank you, Mayor. I move to approve the agenda for the Tuesday October 21st, 2025 Westland City Council

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Work session.

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Second.

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Okay, it's been moved in second to approve the agenda for the October 21st, 2025 City Council

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Work session.

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Any discussion from the council?

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Okay, seeing none.

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Call the roll, please.

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Kathy, thank you.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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On the right.

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Yes.

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So the agenda passes.

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And that's the last time we'll have to call the roll tonight, Kathy.

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Why it night in a work session?

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So that takes us to public comments for items not on the agenda or some folks may wish

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to go early.

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Rebecca Hounder?

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Welcome, Rebecca.

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And I think I see a plaque there, and I have to give you an early congratulations.

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Just to...

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I haven't spoiled my thunder last week.

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So, I work back to Holland back at the Executive Director of Historical Amment Mainstreet.

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And I am here tonight to thank the City full-heartedly from our organization

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for their partnership over the many years.

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And specifically the work that we did together on the Street Skate Project.

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I put in and award and we were chosen out of others throughout the state with an excellence on Maine award.

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So this is it.

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I will bring it and share it with you guys up there.

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And so that was a pretty big deal.

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And we have a couple of staff members that came, Luke and Eric, Kevin came and we had quite a few of our board members came down.

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for the award. So it was a big deal. They were joking that we had half of the people in the audience.

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It was not true, but that was kind of the running joke. So anyway, so that was great.

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And I just want to thank you. And I told John last week maybe we can like trade it off every month or something.

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I'll have it at each location. But I'll pass it up so you guys can actually take a look at it.

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I know Kevin showed you a picture of it last week. So.

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Outside of that, I also want to just let everybody know that we do have our Halloween event coming up on Halloween from three to six and as always, we ask City Council if you're available to come down and hand out candy to the kids in front of her office.

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So we have a lot going on down there.

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I know that's a really big day because it's also

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a rivalry day.

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And so there's a lot happening that day.

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And then I also just wanted to say that I'm very excited

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to say that we have finally joined OEDO, which

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is the work in economic development association.

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And I am actually going to be attending their conference

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for the first time this weekend.

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So I hope to bring back a lot of good information

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that we can use throughout the city from that.

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Thank you so much for being here and thank you for all your work and

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a main street.

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Should we take a picture?

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Would you like to take a picture with the city council in the

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plaque?

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Yes.

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We can let's do that.

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Let's get another picture.

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And any board members with historical

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Can you come up?

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Okay.

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Thank you, Ken. We

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can move on to the next speaker. The rest of them are here for the

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She can't take me from the audience and wanted to speak during this topic because she can't stay for the whole meeting

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You would you like to speak now?

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Okay, for everyone who speaks tonight, just come on up.

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Yes.

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She's a green light is on and you're going to want your mouth really close to the microphones that folks in the room can hear you.

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Welcome.

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Just state your name and city residents and you have three minutes if you need to go a little bit over you're welcome to.

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Okay, thank you.

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Nicole Jackson, resident of Westland.

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I am here, good evening counselors.

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I am here to speak on behalf of Friends of the Lament Wetlands tonight in relation to

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the Waterfront Vision Plan unfortunately I can't stay for that agenda topic and I wasn't

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able to attend the last work session by wanted to share some concerns that I'm still

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seeing on the draft of agenda.

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So back in January of last year, Friends of the Lament Wetlands submitted some comments

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concerns about the vision plan, they weren't unfortunately shared in totality with the working group

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and so this is kind of continue to go on for longer than I would hope. I would hope that, you know,

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we could get this kind of address and resolve to move forward. I wish I didn't need to reiterate these

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concerns, but it appears that the draft to changes on the agenda tonight tonight do not fully

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reflect the concerns that myself and other community members have shared both at the last work

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session and at the Planning Commission hearing in September, I want to also acknowledge

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Russ Axelrod's testimony and Terence Schumacher's testimony that was submitted for tonight.

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They cannot be in attendance in person.

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The resounding community feedback was to preserve the wetlands that cited in the community

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engagement summary and appendix A for the Pond District.

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It's also been amplified by our petition with over 3,850 signatures from community members who really want to see that area preserved.

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And this is, as has been mentioned, multiple times a community vision plan.

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So while I did see and we saw that medium density residential was removed from the map.

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There still is a potential development area that is highlighted in yellow, south of Fifth Avenue next to the wetlands.

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And I feel like it's not what we were hoping for.

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There's a lot of constraints with that property in that area.

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And if it's a community plan,

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it should reflect what the community envisions for that area.

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And so keeping that potential development areas sort of feels like an endorsement of development

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when there's so many constraints that exist with that property, including floodplain, earth quakes,

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Steve Slopes, the required Wetland Buffer, the Title 3 and Title 13 Habitat Area.

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It's been pretty clear that we don't want to see development in this area and that doesn't prevent the property owner.

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I understand property owner rights.

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Removing it from the vision plant doesn't prevent him from attempting to or pursuing potential development,

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but it just shows that you are listening to the overwhelming community feedback

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When we say we don't want to see development, highlighting development in that area, kind of feels like ignoring the resounding feedback.

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So, sorry for rambling there a little bit. I'm happy to answer any questions if you have any, or clarify any concerns.

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But I really appreciate you listening to my concerns and other community members concerns on this issue.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Thank you.

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We will discuss the map and issues with the waterfront plan a little bit later in the

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agenda, but we plan to talk about that if you watch later.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thanks for your continued engagement.

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Well, that takes us to Mayor and Council reports reports from community advisory groups or city

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business in general.

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Councillor Bonneton can kick us off today. I and Cowell both attended the fall fest at Marius Young on Saturday, and that was really quite well attended, traffic all the way out of the park at one point, and it was a really lovely time, so thank you to parts for putting that on yet again.

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Thank you, Councillor.

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So you confessing you are a cowl of the owl at the absolutely not number.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for attending that.

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It looked like a great community event.

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Of course, thanks to the Parks Department for all their work in putting that on.

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I know Director Big John's back there.

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Pass along our regards for that wonderful event to the staff.

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Councillor Groner?

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Yes.

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So the Sustainability Advisory Board rep on October 16th, they summarized the parametric

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report and kind of some feedback from their appearance before the council here.

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They're working on their annual report.

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There's some discussion about maybe charging stations, and I kind of volunteer to try to talk

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to ROSC.

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I don't know if I'm stepping on anybody else's toes here, but apparently they own the Walmart

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Center as well as the Safeway Center and they're the people to talk to if it's going to get

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electrified. So far I have not gotten the response from them.

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That's about it.

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I sounds good and I'm happy to help with that too.

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You should try to reach out to RRO I see in the past two minutes.

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I couldn't get a meeting scheduled in the past.

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Yeah, we'll work on that.

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Oh, Chris Myers, planner Myers, you're unmuted, there's on there.

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Welcome, Chris.

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You're all good.

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Hi, Chris.

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Was taught well, hear from you a little bit later on Vision 43.

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We look forward to that.

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Councillor President Vonger, do you have anything to report tonight?

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Yes.

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I attended both the William Appalza Landings Heritage Area Coalition Board meeting yesterday morning.

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and the Lime Opulse Trust board meeting in the afternoon.

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And the exciting things are happening, especially with the potential of fundraising for the trust.

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And the Lime Opulse Trust staff will be moving into the historic city hall building and join

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and the locs authority offices, and of course the Heritage Area Coalition already is their staff is in the building, so all three groups will be there working together.

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And I believe the Heritage Advocates will also be, so it's going to be a great meeting of the minds. So I'm excited for that. And of course we just came from our Metro Mixer, which is an opportunity to meet and talk to Metro staff.

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and convince them how what a good project we are to fund in various ways and also just

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meet with our local area elected, so that was a great opportunity.

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That's it.

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Thank you, Councillor President, Councillor Brack.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I attended the Planning Commission meeting last Wednesday.

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the Planning Commission reviewed and approved the Metro Town Center boundaries.

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There have been some slight adjustments on those, and I believe we'll be coming to Council.

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Thank you. I also attended the Metro Mixer and on Sunday got to host a group of

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Western students from the Youngman's service lake here at City Hall and gave them a tour

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and have a talk so they could get there.

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They were having a certification and government as part of their group that there was.

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So that was very fun.

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How about 30 people here and some parents as well, so enjoy that on Sunday.

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Anything else to report?

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Okay.

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We can then move on to the Council rules discussion and the work session formats are not approving

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them tonight.

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but I know there's, see, there's a couple of changes in there to discuss to bring back

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for potential adoption of the Council of Greece.

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So, turn it over to City Manager, City Attorney, and thank you, Mayor.

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City Attorney and I will do these together.

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There are only two changes, proposed or two kinds of changes, proposed.

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These are based on previous Council discussion in the case of the scheduling.

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So for those who are not familiar, the Council rules are is a document created by the City Council.

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That governs your operations, your proceedings, your interactions with staff, basically just operating procedures for you, that are able to be amended by the council as you see fit.

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Since you've recently decided to move your meetings till Tuesday, the council rules need to be amended to reflect that on a permanent basis.

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So on page 6 you will find three small changes where we have proposed you replace the word one day with the way word is Tuesday.

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For example, nothing else needs to be done but it's it's good to have this clear the laid out so that it's correct.

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And I'd like to introduce city attorney to talk about the other change which you'll find on page 25 of the council rules.

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Everybody's favorite topic, litigation.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So the other change we're proposing has to do with the frequency of executive sessions

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that are held when the city receives a statutory notice of a claim or any other type of legal action against the city.

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As the rules are currently written, we're required to hold an executive session within 30 days of any receipt of such notices.

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from conversations with our outside council, very

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Elzner, who advise us many other cities.

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They haven't seen this type of provision in council rules

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before.

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It may be somewhat excessive depending on the nature of the

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notice that comes in.

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And I believe, since I've come in as in-house city attorney,

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you have much more access to our litigation,

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I give frequent updates, and talking with the city manager,

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we thought that it would make sense to amend this,

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that we are required, either John or myself,

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to give you notice within seven days of receiving

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any of those tort claims or other litigation notices,

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and then it will be up to you to decide whether

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or to call an executive session on that matter.

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I think it just makes more prudent use of our time,

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but still preserves the right and the option for you

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to have an executive session if you want

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a more full or briefing on the particular matter.

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Thank you for that.

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And as the city manager noted, it's on page 25 of the packet just changing from requiring

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an executive session within 30 days to within seven days we will receive the notice as

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a city council and then be able to request an executive session if needed once we receive the

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information to kind of break down of the tour claim.

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So, any comments or concerns or questions about that?

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It makes sense.

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Sounds like there's a informal consensus to move that forward, so we can, and I know we're already

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meeting on Tuesday, so there's already agreement on the first proposed change.

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Great, so we'll schedule that for your next business meeting for adoption.

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Perfect.

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Thank you for the time.

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Thank you, and thank you both, thank you, Kaylee, for flagging that provision for us to change.

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So council rules is concluded, so now we will transition to another item that the city attorney has worked a lot on, along with director Megan Big John.

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The Mary S. Young Park lease agreement with Oregon State Parks, and folks may not know this,

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but the city doesn't own that property. Probably our biggest park in the city, it's

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leased through the State of Oregon. All of a sudden, the lease agreement came up for renewal,

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and so a lot of work behind the scenes has gone into this. I've even participated in a meeting

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or two on this. So I probably stole some of your thunder. Educate the community on that,

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I'll turn it over to John and thank you, Mayor.

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Yes, I think this is a little known fact.

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There are some signs in the park that note that is owned by the State of Oregon.

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It's a long standing partnership.

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Obviously, a beloved community asset.

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But as we noted in the staff report,

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this relationship comes with some potential risks to the city

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that are financial and operational in the sense.

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And so, when the lease came up, Mayan and Hayley really died, they didn't work on this,

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we would say to Oregon that we could buy money.

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And our attention today is to give you an overview of what's in this document,

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and some of the risks that a long-term relationship carries,

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just so that we're all aware of it and going in with our eyes wide open.

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So, I think Mayan's going to start us off,

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in the past these very ways in time to time to time.

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Thank you, Councillor Mayer, for having me today.

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This has been a long process.

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It was kind of started when I got here and it's taken quite a bit of work together,

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collaboratively with State Park.

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So I just want to give you a little bit of history of what we're doing, obviously.

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The purpose here is to have you see in your packet was the red line or the agreement where we've gotten so far, and wanted to be able to ask, you know, would you want to be able to move forward with a 25 year lease agreement again the state parks? And so that's what we're doing here today, so thank you for having me. I don't really have to tell everybody here how much of a gem this park is to us, but I thought it was good to have a little bit of historical context to it as to how we would as a special and for those who don't know.

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So it is 133 acres and that's about 20% of our Parkland that we have.

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It's on the willlamot as you know.

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It became a Park in 1973 and it was donated to Oregon Parks and Recreation Department by Marius Garbo Young and her husband Thomas E.

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I'm warning a lot to this process too. I had a lot of fun research and information.

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But it's a real gem and since we've got it, we've added athletic fields in there.

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We've got, you know, the pollinator part, or pollinator card in, the dog park I found was an existence when we got it, did not realize that additional restrooms.

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So we've added some additional recreation amenities for the park users, it's quite exciting.

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This is another fun one to show.

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We have been working with a company called City Data and this is the use of within Marius Zhang over the 2024 we had about 55,000 visitors and with this data we're able to see that on average.

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the average person spends about 35 minutes in the park, and 93% of the people who visit

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are from Oregon. There are 27 other states, so that are represented. And about 75% of them

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are from Clark and Miss County. So, it was wanting to see how much of a regional park it is,

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and it still is our local jam within the Clark and Miss County area, but it's really interesting

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data to see. I don't know if you can see on that bottom blue line that yellow line that spikes up,

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that would be fall fest last year. We can now see that we had about 2,000 participants.

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kind of need information.

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So for programming, this is what you know, but for the community who

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doesn't, we obviously host a lot of summer camps, city events there. I'm shelter reservations.

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We have schools that come on a regular basis, we're trying to figure out coordinating with that,

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but they use it as a resource as well. We have down to Earth, you know, for school that's operating

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now they're during this school year as well. And then Saturday, front run club. I mean, wow,

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that was pretty neat. We had that going on as with the fall fest on Saturday. It was pretty neat to see.

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And then our amazing volunteers, they're weekly.

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I always love monthly work parties, but it's really well used and loved as we saw as

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Councilor Bonita mentioned with the parking going to the office.

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Just some stats to realize, though, that we have our volunteers give just under

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2000 annual hours annually to the park.

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I'm sure there's more that we don't capture.

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We do, as far as we have to look at Costa Covery and I wanted to find out what our

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revenue is not necessarily revenue.

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it's what we charge for fees to be able to compensate for that use and we were able to generate

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about $60,000 over the year of 2024. But when you're looking at our expenses, we were able to

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look at just some of the raw data that we had for staff to maintain the park. That barely covers

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that, which is okay, that's just not what you're trying to always be, you know, one plus one equals

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two, but it is something to look at. And just for one maintenance price, we spent about $20,000

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year on maintaining those fields. So the part is that park is loved. It's a gem. We are trying to

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look how we can streamline and continue to care for it. Oh, cowl? Cowl was there. I'm so sorry,

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I missed cowl in that picture. Louin, just like a, like an owl.

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This was, I'm pretty proud to look

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at this list. This was just information I was able to find since 2007. This isn't like all the

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all the projects that have happened at the park, but that is pretty impressive. What we've

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done over how much we've put into it and how much we have improved that space for recreational

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opportunities. Of course you see our storm cleanups too, but there's a lot of added amenities.

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It's really awesome. So what kind of came down to our main discussions with state parks is we were

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looking at trying to identify and I'll get into that conversation with state parks next, but just

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looking at holistically all of our parks in general, you've heard from me that I'm trying to figure out

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for a maintenance plan. So you saw all the things that we added to the park. There were some

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features that were in existence when we got there. And it's the parking lot, the road,

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the bridge that we're working on, the restroom, asphalt pathway, which we're fixing right now,

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and shelter. And so I'm looking at those things long-term of how we look those into our replacement plan.

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Another item that is probably the deepest concern to me is the invasive past that are coming our way.

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But a training oak bar and animal ash for those are, you know, just infestations that are just on the break of coming

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and so I really want to make sure we're prepared and have a plan with state parks to move forward on that.

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And then natural disasters, ice storm, winds, they don't even want to say the word fire.

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The things that we want to be prepared for and that's where this police agreement was trying to figure out how we can partner better.

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I have a better contiguous effort on this property.

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So I'd like to, I'm going to include our city attorney,

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Kaylee Klein in this conversation, but we had many conversations with state parks, and I have to tell you,

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they're in a tough situation too. There was a lot of things, and we actually see the document of where we had

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changed a lot of basic updates to the contract language, updates to how we procure a contractor to be able to come

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easy to work through. They really want to empower us to be able to take the lead there and

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make it easy for us to operate. I'm really grateful for that.

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The one thing that you've heard for me as I wanted to really figure out the conversation could

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we do cost sharing with some of these larger impactful situations that may be coming to us.

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As you probably have seen, state parks have had to in our local area try on

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The guy of her state park, they have now had it had in fees for day use.

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They had canceled their cultural passes that they had.

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They are really in a position to not be able to help us just to be able to, on set of these

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agreements to say, we can cost share these with you.

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But what they did do, which I was really grateful for, is you see the three things, and it's

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way more than three.

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This is very minimalizing what we all did, and I'm going to pass it to Kaylee if she wants

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to add.

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They did offer up the state forest or to come in spend eight hours with us looking at how we can make some planning for the future.

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By going with the 25-year lease, we're able to apply for grants that are through state parks.

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If we were underneath that, we would possibly not be able to apply and be qualified.

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They were wanting to be, they were offered to be able to have a better collaboration with their regional leaders

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and there are regional park rangers to be able to collaborate more, especially with those

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invasive insects coming through, or who are you using to buy the bridge that you guys would

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where do you guys buy bridges, you know, just having that, you know, brain trust amongst us,

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which is really huge. And then they did not take off the table, wanted to be able to put in language

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in there that says, we can talk about future cost sharing if we've come up with this situation.

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The one thing I did emphasize is a lot of the planning for these natural disasters you have to

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work on pre-planning events so that when they occur, you know what to do.

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They don't have the money to help with that for now, but they are engaged in that, and

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we'll be working cohesively together on it.

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Kaylee, does you have anything else you wanted to add?

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I'm sure you did a great job making the introducing that topic.

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We worked really closely with the state, and we had many asks, we came forward with, and

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although we did not achieve them all, I definitely feel confident that we improved this particular

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agreement in terms of the reducing the city's risks and potential financial obligations.

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When this came to my desk and I saw that I was a 25 year lease that obviously peaks your

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interest in terms of making sure we review this with a fine tooth comb, especially given that

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when I worked with Megan, you know, she noted there's a lot of major expenses with caring

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for a 133 acre park and we're not compensated for that.

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basically like a steward carrying this out on behalf of the state. And so I wanted to know

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what some of those potential expenses were. One of them is that she mentioned is the total,

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I was going to say repair, but actually the total replacement of a major flip bridge that's going

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to be in the avenue of, you had an estimate of 50. I'm hoping that's not that much. I'm trying to apply

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for $50,000, which was a bridge installed by the state, not by the city. And so, you know, my

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question is why is the city settled with these costs when we're basically the caretaker

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on behalf of the state, and then the other major flag for me was this, I was going to say

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impending, but somewhat arrived threat of the Mediterranean Opor, and the Emerald Ashfore,

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and given that we have over 1,000 Ops and Marius Young, the cost of treating and or removing

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trees should they be infected, it is a huge expense for the city, so we went back and forth

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basically what it came down to is the state is really strapped for funds as well and I had originally

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proposed cost sharing mechanisms like they pay half the cost or some of the or maybe 25

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percent of the cost and really it got down to like all they can give is support from employees in

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terms of expertise in terms of loading particular individuals the whole the brain trust that

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and talked about, which in fact, we did find is more helpful and it felt like we furthered

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our partnership. And as I'm looking at this, it occurred to me that we attached the clean

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version of the proposal, which is what we normally do so you can review, but you're unable to

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see all the changes we made. So after this meeting, I can circulate the red line if you want to

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really be able to hone in on where we worked. But one of the issues, for example, what we really

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did was try and put the responsibilities of a landowner back with a landowner.

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And the responsibilities of a lesser, you know, with the city. So, for example, in their agreement, they had us being responsible for legal encroachments to the park.

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That was in 5.5 and that was really concerning to make it to myself given the amount of acreage.

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And so we made sure to add language where we would collaborate to help resolve, but the final resolution of encroachments, including

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but not limited to legal action is the responsibility of ORPDs, so we will release the city

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attorney time to, you know, handle encroachments of that area.

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One place that we also worked on was law enforcement activity that was something important

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to PD that they had wanted to make sure it was abundantly clear that they are able to enforce

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city code within the park and show up as law enforcement officers within the state jurisdiction

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within the state boundaries. And they said that was fine and we clarified that there.

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I also made sure given these upcoming potential expenses with the with the insects that we had

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an ability to terminate if we needed to sooner than 25 years without any penalties. So we worked

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on that language, originally in section 25,

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it was pretty difficult for the city to subcontract out work.

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We had to have written approval from OPRD

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and with the amount of work that Parks and Rec candles there,

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it just really was administratively burdensome.

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So they loosened up a lot on that,

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gave us much greater authority to subcontract out work.

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And then we spend a lot of time in the exhibit B, sometimes we skip the exhibits but this is probably the most important part of the agreement because it talks about the statement of work in terms of what we as the city have to provide.

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So we really struck a lot of the language that had to do with replacing or even upgrading things and focused on where responsible for general maintenance.

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And that if replacement costs were basically replacement costs are cabin by our own financial constraints in the budget that we have.

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You know, we're not expected to restore everything that was in the park that had been originally provided by the state.

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And then you'll see in section four, we queue out.

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You have the issue that is probably the most concerning as the cost of handling these insects and we agreed

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We kind of kicked the can down the road, but we agreed that those costs would be determined in an amendment to this agreement

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And so we're carving that area out to address winter if it arises in terms of payment

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It is a tough relationship because we really like

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We appreciate the benefits of the park and life being stewards, but when you have costs,

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Megan, could you get a little bit to the cost?

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Wilson Miller, maybe some other cities have dealt with with regard to those insects.

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Yeah, just an example for Wilsonville.

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One of their trees was about 35,000 to yield her move, but they had to have a crane to bring in,

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especially think of property lines on the interior of a park, where they could access it,

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And then the way you dispose of those, that is ever changing, but at the time, they had

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direct barrier somewhere, so that I find a property owner to take the oak to bury it

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and then had to do treatments at the location.

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And so that education and that education, that template model is ever evolving right now

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with a working department of agriculture in state for, or in part in forestry as well.

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But even just like the one oak that we have that's dead there now that is not infested with my train oak

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Poor we have to drop it and ship it is get it down to one inch slices as best as we can

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How much was it again for one tree?

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$35,000. How many trees do we have in Mary's young did you say?

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That's thousand and that's just an estimate from our consulting arborist and so what you're looking at again

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That's not just a sustainable cost. I it my worry with this is that was something we're like this to happen

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We don't own that property, but what happens to all the other acres that we have, where do I focus my energy and time with our resources on and that was kind of where this has started a fuel to kind of, how do we get them as a better partner to be able to take some of that ownership or

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where we should our tax dollars go to and where is our highest risk as a city.

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So, yeah, so that, again, that was when Wilsonville was taking their trees down a year,

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two years ago, luckily they're evolving, finding that you cannot dispose of those trees that way.

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You would not be able to, and Emerald Ashfore is honestly a bigger risk and concern,

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because it comes through in the amount of ash we have.

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And our wetland areas, string corridors is greater as much faster, but our oaks you can't replace that size of a large tree in any short amount of time, so they're both of a risk.

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So cities around are trying to figure this method out, we don't want to go in without having some sort of plan of who's responsible for what, when and if and should that occur.

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I'm glad you tracked that.

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And so before we had those conversations and made these amendments, it made it, it could be read that the city would be responsible for those types of remediation and treatment costs.

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And so again, I would direct your attention to section four of exhibit B where it talks about how we will handle these types of insect or disease.

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and it says,

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we further agree that both parties have the right to terminate the agreement

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if a mutually agreeable amendment cannot be reached.

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So basically that's the carve out for the city if we're unable to strike some type of

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cost sharing deal or agreement on how that level of costs would be handled then we would

427
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,260
be able to terminate the agreement.

428
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,940
One of the things I wanted to add is if you look at the dollars and cents spent on this

429
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:15,860
beautiful acres, but it really ultimately comes down to safety, right?

430
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:20,120
wanting to make sure that we can preserve this park, not only for what it is to keep those amenities

431
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,500
safe for the public to be able to enjoy and experience, and so that's kind of where my heart

432
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:29,500
is with it. I've just how can we continue? We're planning to, but we want to make sure that we

433
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:33,800
have that great strong partnership with, you know, with OPRD.

434
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:40,730
Oh, my last slide.

435
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:44,030
So, I wanted to ask

436
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:47,370
for questions, but we're at right now as next steps is, you know,

437
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:49,310
do you plan on what feedback we get from you today?

438
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:51,710
And for the discussion we have is finalizing the legal

439
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:55,930
language with state parks to figure out where we want to go.

440
00:36:56,290 --> 00:36:58,990
Do you plan on where right now we're set to come back to you

441
00:36:58,990 --> 00:37:02,110
if they're ready to move forward on November 12th?

442
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:04,010
But that depends on what questions you have.

443
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:08,010
And so when it open the 40th, the questions you might have.

444
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:11,930
Well, thank you for the detail and the presentation.

445
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:15,930
and good agenda report also with the documents in there.

446
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:19,370
Council President has a question to kick us off.

447
00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:20,210
Thank you, Mayor.

448
00:37:20,770 --> 00:37:21,870
Yes, thank you so much.

449
00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:27,150
Both of you, all of the hours that you have spent on this very important matter.

450
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:35,150
Just to be clear, this language, as it is right now, is in agreement with the state.

451
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:46,530
Yes, so this is the language you have the clean copy was now resting with the state after we did all the back and forth redlining and it has been referred to their

452
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:49,970
Organ department of justice. This is in a training general for review

453
00:37:49,970 --> 00:38:00,230
Basically their client has agreed to all the terms that we'll have one last look by or in the OJ and they're trying aiming to get back to us before the business meeting

454
00:38:00,230 --> 00:38:06,330
So that we could keep it on that meeting if there were any changes proposed, it would be in that staff agenda report.

455
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:12,630
And if they are unable to turn around the legal review, then we'll push it to the following business meeting.

456
00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:20,890
Okay. So there is a potential that this will be approved. There won't be changes.

457
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:21,750
Potentially.

458
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:24,350
Okay. Thank you.

459
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:35,420
Councillor Groner. Yeah, two questions. You mentioned the number 20,000 as revenue and I'm not sure is that what you are

460
00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:39,800
Excuse me as expenses. Is that what you're currently spending exclusive of

461
00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:46,500
Continuencies? No, I wasn't sure what that number referred to. Thank you for asking and sorry for that being confusing

462
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:54,800
No, it was just an example of one cost we have there. Is that's for maintaining athletic fields over a year and a half time frame from

463
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,200
fertilizing to air rating, just the work that that takes to care of those fields.

464
00:39:00,260 --> 00:39:02,720
So I don't have the full annual cost of it.

465
00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:08,280
We do track our hours by park, but we were struggling to get the exact number,

466
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,580
missing the seasonals as well.

467
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,480
And so that's where it came around 50,000 for just the labor to be able to maintain that.

468
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,080
But I know that's not encompassing everything that we do there.

469
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:17,840
Yeah.

470
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,820
In general, it's far in exceed 50,000 revenue.

471
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:21,800
Yeah.

472
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,840
the 60,000 revenue that we have there to help offset our costs.

473
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,460
My other question is, you mentioned a bridge that made it replace.

474
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,320
This is not the bridge that was destroyed during the ice storm.

475
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,940
No, that one had to be let go, but this is the other beautiful footbridge,

476
00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:39,440
it's like a 30-foot span, over.

477
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:40,960
So you hold a railroad bridge?

478
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:42,060
Yes, it is.

479
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,820
So we are looking to get that replaced.

480
00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:49,020
One amendment to that came from this contract or agreement was that we had to have any deferred

481
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:50,920
maintenance repaired in 30 days.

482
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:56,120
And so that is now a little longer in that language is that we're going to repair that as soon as we can.

483
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,860
Like I hope to get that repaired by next summer as my goal.

484
00:39:59,420 --> 00:39:59,980
But we're still looking...

485
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,680
We're looking at our funding options for it, and hopefully I'm going to be applying for a grant to get some help for it.

486
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:05,520
Thank you.

487
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:06,100
You're welcome.

488
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:11,030
Any other questions?

489
00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:14,850
It's a complicated legal document, taking a look at it.

490
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:19,030
But I just feel like looking at it and hearing from the presentation that you gave.

491
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:25,850
You've done all that you can on behalf of Westland to get the best possible lease and the best possible terms.

492
00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:27,370
And I participated in one of the meetings.

493
00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:34,930
And it was clear that the state was coming out from a very difficult financial position because there could make in cuts and having budgetary issues.

494
00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:40,130
So I feel like it's, we're not going to be able to get much better than this if we want to have a lease.

495
00:40:40,410 --> 00:40:46,610
And if we don't have a lease and we lose one of our precious assets or we get thrown into uncertainty.

496
00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:57,350
So I think the community would expect us to get this approved, but we do have to be realistic about the financial planning and realities for things like oak borer.

497
00:40:57,350 --> 00:41:00,210
and the replacement costs for facility.

498
00:41:00,990 --> 00:41:02,550
So just to be clear, they're not contributing

499
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:04,090
to that footbridge, for example,

500
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:07,270
that's kind of on our, okay, interesting.

501
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:09,950
Regarding that footbridge, Megan,

502
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:11,970
is hoping to apply for a grant for that,

503
00:41:12,030 --> 00:41:13,290
and what that is, one of the terms,

504
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:15,990
we negotiated that they said they have a number four,

505
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:18,510
but we have them agreeing to work with us.

506
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:19,170
I'm grant funding,

507
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:22,710
providing letters of support, social sending regular updates

508
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:25,170
to Megan when they have grant opportunities arise

509
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:26,130
with their aware of.

510
00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:30,690
So that was just one way to try and pull in a little bit of their expertise and guidance

511
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:33,150
and helping us get grant applications in.

512
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:35,070
See, that's awesome work.

513
00:41:35,130 --> 00:41:36,370
Thank you for that.

514
00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:38,350
The city, thanks you.

515
00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:40,950
Council President and then Councillor Bonnetian has a comment.

516
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:41,750
Thank you.

517
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:42,390
Thank you, Mayor.

518
00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:43,130
Yes.

519
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:47,230
So it comes to mind just because I last week.

520
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:52,990
I think got an email from the friends of Tran Creek that they are now charging $10 a day.

521
00:41:52,990 --> 00:42:01,590
for cars to park in, I mean, I'm assuming it won't be $10 if you walk in, there's places

522
00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:09,630
to park outside of, I only bring this up because the unpopular suggestion question of should

523
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:19,670
we look into any kind of a fee for using the park, in any way, whether it's teams that

524
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:26,270
fields or I'm just throwing this out there very unpopular idea I'm sure but I'm in the reality

525
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:35,490
is we money doesn't grow on trees and especially if there's oak boards in them so I also wonder

526
00:42:35,490 --> 00:42:44,090
so isn't triunct creek a state so I was kind of curious about any any comparables and learning

527
00:42:44,090 --> 00:42:51,530
from each other. So, well that is still owned and managed ultimately by state parks. They have

528
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:56,470
a friend's group, the friends of Trion, who manages the programming out of that location, and

529
00:42:56,470 --> 00:43:01,110
so that fee is going to state parks to my understanding. So, my givers and other similar one that

530
00:43:01,110 --> 00:43:05,850
but doesn't have a friends of that state parks is putting that. So, all of their state parks

531
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:13,930
and I believe have a day use fee. So, the city of Lake Oswego doesn't have to pay for Trion Creek.

532
00:43:13,930 --> 00:43:18,850
city of like us we go does not manage that state parks at us city of like us we go but they

533
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:23,750
okay they denied that several years back while I was there due to the funding ability.

534
00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:29,770
I'll interesting. Oh well thank you very much and council president I would just begin

535
00:43:29,770 --> 00:43:35,510
note to that comment which is very on point if you look to section six of compensation and payment

536
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:42,490
terms on page three there is an express provision about that it says the city shall have the option

537
00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:51,570
And it's so discretion to charge park visitors for parking fees or other special use fees to help generate revenue for operations and maintenance of the property.

538
00:43:52,130 --> 00:44:02,350
So long as such activities are consistent with the LWCF Act, that is the landed water conservation fund act, which overlays the property.

539
00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:10,330
And so that is an option that we haven't really explored, but it is something that the lease allows us to do and keep those funds.

540
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:15,670
And one thing to elaborate to make sure it may not have been clear, but we do charge for

541
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:16,810
our shelter use, right?

542
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:18,150
We do charge for tournaments.

543
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:25,170
We do not currently charge for day like just a weekly camps or not at that camps.

544
00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:30,310
Practices for sports lakes there, they pay for tournaments, we do have camps there, and then

545
00:44:30,310 --> 00:44:32,810
there's also special event permits that we provide.

546
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:38,530
So we do have some of that fee cost recovery with that, and the one thing with parking is

547
00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:41,810
to figure out how you're going to manage. You get the fee, but you have to have somebody

548
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:46,950
be able to monitor to make sure it's being applied correctly. So it's a little bit of a,

549
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:50,370
you know, there has been, I guess, talking the past of our, you know, boat launches. Is that,

550
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:54,430
is that a good possibility for that, but you have to have me in power to be able to monitor it to be

551
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:54,850
effective?

552
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,980
Good point. Councillor Bonnetin, go ahead.

553
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:13,320
That's pretty relevant to what I'm thinking. It would be fantastic to be able to explore charging for parking, even if it's just at certain events, certain times.

554
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:29,980
The thing that stood out to me on Saturday, while that traffic line was happening, was that it would be great if people could park elsewhere and walk, but that's not even practical, because there's not a crosswalk for quite a way.

555
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:35,600
in either direction. There was an access issue there. So if we're going to be doing something

556
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,840
like that, we're going to need some help from the state to be able to create a crosswalk

557
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,620
because that's also their highway. I know different state departments are pretty far apart,

558
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,940
but it seems like it would be nice if we could get some cooperation on that as well, adding

559
00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:59,860
crosswalks at all. I believe one of them is almost a mile away to the south and then the other ones

560
00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:02,520
not particularly close to either.

561
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,000
So, yeah, would we have any difficulty?

562
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,560
I know adding parking is no one's favorite idea,

563
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:12,980
but if we needed to make reconfigurations

564
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,840
or changes to other elements of the park,

565
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:18,860
is that going to be very difficult with this lease?

566
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:23,080
I might turn to you,

567
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,380
because I think you have a little experience with the changes

568
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:27,440
to get the ball field and things like that.

569
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:29,380
Yeah, so any changes,

570
00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:35,600
because I'm not going to have the exact information, but what we had to do in the past, we have

571
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:42,340
there is a stewardship requirement for the, for the park in the deed to remain for parks and

572
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:47,680
recreational uses. So obviously there was a park added. There was the ballfills that were added

573
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,920
and you had to go through that process to be able to seek that permission and verification for

574
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,220
from state parks. I don't know if John has any history on that either. But it's just, it's going

575
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:01,840
essentially applying to state parks to say what you're wanting to do with the intent is to

576
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,260
and then to verify that it meets the deed restrictions on there. The interesting part

577
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:10,460
you can go there and there's a new parking at all and then you go the other days is there's

578
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:15,720
a ton of parking. So when I drive through and I know events are going so when there's like

579
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,420
middle school cross country meet and there's like five different teams there you know we found

580
00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:24,180
okay buses can't park there so we make those adjustments. We had a debrief about fall fest today

581
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:26,680
and try to wonder, have we outgrown it?

582
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,060
What do we do with these parking?

583
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:29,460
Do we, whether we're just going to talk with PD

584
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:30,860
about a traffic control plan?

585
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:33,080
So there's things that we are trying to mitigate that

586
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,480
because it's a few times out of the year where that happens,

587
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,400
but it is very impactful.

588
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,760
So I really appreciate you bringing that up.

589
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:41,920
But I think getting additional parking may be tricky

590
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,200
there with the uses we have,

591
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,360
but you should explore an option we have.

592
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:46,280
Thank you.

593
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:48,620
Appreciate the comments on the crosswalk also.

594
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,300
We should do that.

595
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,680
I used to live along there, it's very hard to cross over

596
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,940
get to Marius and it'd be helpful for access to the park.

597
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:01,060
I'm going to go to Carol and I'm going to go to Leo and then we will wrap up and move on

598
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:05,320
to the next agenda item and I'll give Council Chancellor put any concerns they have on the

599
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,860
record or any information requests after the Council of Rights please.

600
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:16,960
So I was going to say on Saturday I walked over from where I live to the fall fest and one

601
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,220
thing I noticed, yes there was a lot of traffic but I also noticed a lot of people walking on

602
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:27,460
pathway in front of Marius Young. I don't know, I didn't recognize most of these people,

603
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:32,240
so I don't know if they were my neighbors in Robinwood, but there is a park and ride at the

604
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:37,360
church there on the corner, and it's possible that people knowing that parking could be a challenge,

605
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,780
took advantage of the park and ride and walked to the park.

606
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,560
Thank you for that. Councillor Groner.

607
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:54,080
Yes, I just want to throw out an idea for revenue. I think sometimes I have stickers that you can buy

608
00:48:54,140 --> 00:49:00,300
and put on your car, that might entitle you to park on certain days in the park or for that matter

609
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:06,520
use of might be a different sticker for the boat ramps, but this might be, and it doesn't

610
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,320
involve somebody standing there collecting revenues presumably somebody could periodically

611
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,200
patrol and see who doesn't have a sticker and give them traffic ticket or something.

612
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,100
Just a thought.

613
00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:24,000
Councillor Bonnington, last comment, thank you Councillor Groner for that.

614
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,420
Yeah, this reminds me that there are actually parking program

615
00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:32,000
computer programs that have been developed.

616
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:34,920
You just need a clear camera view of the lot.

617
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,360
And when someone parks, they pay, and they put in what spot

618
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,660
they're in with their license plate.

619
00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:43,320
And the camera can detect that cars in there,

620
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,620
or there's a car there that hasn't paid.

621
00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:48,060
And it skipped the entire need for manpower

622
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:51,180
for the most part compared to what we're talking about.

623
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,300
So that could be a very cost effective way

624
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:59,960
doing that? Well, as you go forward with working on this leap.

625
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:23,540
And then we'll move into the next phase where we go back to kind of the status quo of using the park, if there's issues that come up on the revenue side, where you feel like you need, you know, there's a huge deficit or, you know, issues with Marius and that would require council conversations about revenue for the park, just bring it back to us.

626
00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:41,340
And as I know you would, if there was something going, but like if that borrower shows up and we're in the whole somehow we might have to have some serious conversations about those sorts of ideas, but for now I think it's good to just get the least done and then we will see what we need to do going forward.

627
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,400
Sounds great and I really appreciate Kaylee brought a lot to the table and had just her resources and knowledge.

628
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:51,480
I was super grateful to have that support through this. I couldn't have done it without her, so thank you.

629
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,540
Any, any issues, any council would like to put on the table for changes to the lease or

630
00:50:56,540 --> 00:51:02,800
additions to the lease or any sort of thing like that at this time just for a check.

631
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,620
And obviously you can, this is a work session.

632
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,860
So if you think of something, you can write into the city attorney and parks director.

633
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,760
But I think you've done a great job on behalf of the city.

634
00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:16,860
So, no to the next steps.

635
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,020
So we'll schedule this for a business meeting and November pending DOJ's legal review.

636
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:22,760
It sounds like.

637
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,560
That's exactly the next step, so we will schedule it as soon as we can, based on the review

638
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:28,580
we get back from the state.

639
00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:33,500
The last thing that I want to add is obviously all of the financial issues that Megan described

640
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:34,740
for this park.

641
00:51:35,140 --> 00:51:35,660
It's the same.

642
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:39,780
We have hundreds of other acres of parks and every single thing that you just heard is true

643
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:40,720
about every other acre.

644
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:47,780
If we have the ash borer or the emerald borer in our park system generally, we don't have

645
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:54,260
some massive sinking fund to pay for a huge unexpected incident like that.

646
00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:59,120
And so we would be having just as much a problem and it won't be confined to one

647
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:59,380
park.

648
00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:00,140
It'll be everywhere.

649
00:52:00,460 --> 00:52:06,640
This is one where we have this opportunity to assess and agree to a level of

650
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:13,900
involvement, but for the other 500 acres or 600 acres of park that we own, we don't have

651
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:14,420
a agreement.

652
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,460
We own it all and we're responsible for it.

653
00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:22,500
So it's a pretty big deal, and I think thinking of our park system much like a water system,

654
00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:30,480
much like a street system, it's an infrastructure that we own that comes with deferred maintenance that comes with potential liability is probably important,

655
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:37,640
because I don't think we all always think of our park system that way, and it takes something like this to make us realize, oh my gosh,

656
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:45,740
we had to pay $10,000 a tree to have it removed and properly disposed of in our entire hundreds of acres.

657
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:48,160
It would be a huge thing for this community.

658
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,120
So it's worth thinking about more globally.

659
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,640
That's great point.

660
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,700
And on that, you know, people have parks.

661
00:52:56,540 --> 00:53:01,360
I know I usually suggest goats, but beavers, just saying.

662
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,700
And Megan, if you go to, there's a parksport meeting

663
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:07,980
and if you'd like, I'd love to hear their thoughts on,

664
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,140
just whether we should approve the lease.

665
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,640
Yes, I will add that to the agenda.

666
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,180
That's great.

667
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,500
For them, I know they're very engaged in a good group of people.

668
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:17,300
So we'll look forward to hearing that.

669
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,720
I'm sure they'd appreciate the update on this, too.

670
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:20,460
Absolutely.

671
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:21,720
Thank you all.

672
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:22,960
Thank you, Megan.

673
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:28,220
With that, we will then transition to another big topic

674
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:32,820
for the city, which is the Waterfront Vision Plan,

675
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:35,860
which is nearing its final stages here.

676
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,980
It's in the final stages nearing adoption.

677
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,220
We've received some public testimony earlier.

678
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,160
We received a couple of letters as well

679
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,360
that will be entered into the record

680
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:50,520
for this work session, and this is envisioned to be the final work session till we adopt.

681
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,160
And I know that we have some folks here from the advocates who I also send in a slide

682
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,820
show that they would like to present.

683
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,540
Are they able to present that as well when they speak?

684
00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:05,780
So, Mayor, would you like the public comment to happen first, or would you like an initial staff

685
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:06,140
report?

686
00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:13,820
Let's do a staff report so that we can hear, because there was some language that was discussed

687
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:19,000
last time about the I know the advocates here talking about preservation and I'm you probably

688
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,740
have an update on that language and then they might have a suggestion so we can kind of

689
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:29,700
try to see where we're at. So let's kick it off with the staff report then go to public

690
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,840
testimony at the appropriate time.

691
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,640
So take the way.

692
00:54:33,860 --> 00:54:38,680
All right thank you Mayor and counselors. So I've got Adrian Whitty with me again tonight.

693
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:46,600
Adrian will be going through a short presentation, but we just wanted to recap the five items

694
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:53,000
that Council asked the project team to address at your last work session on the seventh.

695
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:58,660
Adrian and his team have updated maps to address the first three and then we are looking

696
00:54:58,660 --> 00:54:59,720
for feedback.

697
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Interaction from the council on the final two, which are potential language additions to the document itself. So I'll turn it over to Adrian. Adrian is just going to run through a quick presentation and get to the decision making process.

698
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,040
Yeah, Adrian, we deal with tools on, good to see you all again.

699
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,760
So from the meeting two weeks ago, if we go to the next,

700
00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:25,500
oh, we've got that.

701
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,660
There are a few action items that you had asked us to address

702
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:38,380
out of the session that we presented two weeks ago,

703
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,320
including three map modifications of then two language changes.

704
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:52,100
So those map modifications were to do with the floodplain boundary and planning commissions

705
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:58,060
recommendation to use the 1996 flood boundary rather than the 100 year floodplain.

706
00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:05,140
Then to remove the specific language around the medium density residential currently

707
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:10,900
in the planning stage in the Pond District and replace that with more generic language

708
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:23,860
And adjust that area to be outside the flood boundary and then lastly to add those sort of ecological corridors to the district maps.

709
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:40,380
And then we have some draft language related to the preservation, encouraging the preservation of these existing structures we would like some feedback on and also language around incorporating affordable housing language into the vision plant as well.

710
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:49,520
So in terms of the map changes, they really impact maps in two of the districts, primarily the pond district.

711
00:56:54,340 --> 00:57:09,600
So the primary changes here in the area that you see above the lower pond, where we've changed the floodplain boundary to represent that 1996 level.

712
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:18,360
and adjusted the nomenclature around that potential development area to remove the specific

713
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,940
language on that and to remove it outside of that floodplain.

714
00:57:24,460 --> 00:57:32,180
We've also added some designation around the ecological corridor in that area as well.

715
00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:40,600
In the cultural heritage district, there's not really a major change here, but we did

716
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:46,680
want to flag that the changing of the floodplain boundary just changes the plain boundary here

717
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,720
in this district as well. So I just wanted to bring that to Council of Tension. There's no

718
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:56,520
material difference in any of the recommendations or designations in this zone.

719
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Do you mind going back to slides? Yep.

720
00:58:04,220 --> 00:58:12,320
That one. Thank you. I was just looking up the current image to compare it.

721
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,800
So, thank you.

722
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:14,440
Yeah, no problem.

723
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:15,240
Go ahead.

724
00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:24,870
In terms of learning changes, firstly, talking about encouraging preservation of historic structures,

725
00:58:25,610 --> 00:58:31,190
we wanted to flag this was in the meeting packet where there is existing reference to that

726
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:38,110
in the document as well as some places where we could encourage more reference to that.

727
00:58:38,110 --> 00:58:48,430
So, in the document, the existing language around the goals on page 5, you know, mentioned supporting cultural and environmental stewardship,

728
00:58:49,710 --> 00:58:54,370
the guiding principles on pages 11 and 12 bringing in some of those elements as well,

729
00:58:55,130 --> 00:59:07,130
as does language in the planning framework, as well as in the district specific plans in the historic city hall district and in the cultural heritage district.

730
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:12,930
So, those are the existing references, if you like, to encouraging preservation,

731
00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:37,110
but we are also bringing forward some additional language that would be added to the cultural heritage district planning framework as well, that would encourage preservation of those structures, and there's, and we've got several different options here for how though that could be structured.

732
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:44,770
in terms of wording so adding a bullet to that section that would say something in the way of

733
00:59:44,770 --> 00:59:50,570
evaluate structures for historic significance and cultural integrity. It could say encourage

734
00:59:50,570 --> 00:59:57,810
rehabilitation and reuse of he historic structures where economically feasible could say support

735
00:59:57,810 --> 00:59:59,490
opportunities for rehabilitation.

736
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,740
And reuse of historic structures. It could say work with private sector partners to identify key historic sites

737
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:14,260
where rehabilitation and reuse would enhance visitor experience and support projects that showcase

738
01:00:14,260 --> 01:00:21,560
industrial heritage, or it could say encourage exploration of rehabilitation and reuse of

739
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:27,720
so structures in partnership with property owners or some combination of those different variations.

740
01:00:32,660 --> 01:00:41,740
In terms of affordable housing, there is some reference to that in the document on page 23

741
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:48,260
that talks about, you know, financing affordable housing in the market analysis and the

742
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:54,260
challenges with that, but adding potential language to page 12, which is the guiding principles

743
01:00:54,260 --> 01:01:00,220
that would say something like river access key elements, encourage affordable housing development

744
01:01:00,220 --> 01:01:08,760
to ensure equitable access to the river. And then on page 37, which is the section on housing

745
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:15,080
density and parking, a couple of options here would be to add language supporting new affordable

746
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,220
housing projects potentially with tax increment financing funds could help meet the needs

747
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:25,020
identified in the Westland housing capacity analysis that referencing things back to

748
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:31,800
that housing capacity analysis and the need. It could say the city should consider allowing

749
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:37,560
a variety of housing types to encourage affordability across income ranges and use targeting

750
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:42,720
targeted infrastructure investments incentives and expedited permanent support development.

751
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:56,260
So thinking about how affordable housing could be encouraged or it could say it will be important to work with private sector partners to identify opportunities for affordable housing development, which is maybe a little bit more broad.

752
01:01:58,820 --> 01:02:10,520
So, those are the changes being brought forward both map and wording, I'll sort of have a full discussion.

753
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,820
Once somehow everything just shut off up here and I don't know if that.

754
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:18,960
Maybe it goes.

755
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:19,540
There it goes.

756
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,780
We heard a sound and it was everything went like, oh no.

757
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:25,420
Okay, we're back.

758
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:30,240
Okay, you may continue.

759
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,980
You might have been that day.

760
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:32,960
I am a bien.

761
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:39,790
Well, for the sake of process,

762
01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:41,710
let's just talk about this,

763
01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:43,690
the affordable housing language.

764
01:02:43,970 --> 01:02:46,610
Would you like us to kind of look at the language

765
01:02:46,610 --> 01:02:49,750
and kind of give direction on a particular option?

766
01:02:50,050 --> 01:02:51,830
The last one I'd like to hear from the community

767
01:02:51,830 --> 01:02:55,630
about the historic structures issue,

768
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:58,590
but this one we might be able to just tackle real quickly.

769
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:59,490
Councillor Groner.

770
01:03:00,570 --> 01:03:03,630
Yeah, I like the word encourage, which is positive.

771
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:09,790
If that is kind of neutral, I don't think we can commit

772
01:03:09,790 --> 01:03:13,050
without understanding all the factors in the expenses.

773
01:03:14,090 --> 01:03:16,750
And I think we realistically do have to work with private

774
01:03:16,750 --> 01:03:20,050
owners as well, and so that should be part of the language.

775
01:03:20,430 --> 01:03:22,770
So I think it's the last of the options,

776
01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:24,670
bullet at options that I like.

777
01:03:30,590 --> 01:03:32,530
You talking about the third one here.

778
01:03:33,610 --> 01:03:36,410
There was one with bullets on various language.

779
01:03:36,930 --> 01:03:38,890
A couple earlier, I think.

780
01:03:39,070 --> 01:03:40,990
I think that one was relayed.

781
01:03:41,050 --> 01:03:41,730
Yeah, that one.

782
01:03:41,770 --> 01:03:44,610
Related to the preservation of historic structures.

783
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:50,870
Yeah, but I think something similar for local lower costs or affordable housing as well.

784
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:57,150
Do you have thoughts on the affordable housing bullets that were these potential language choices?

785
01:03:57,150 --> 01:04:03,210
And then I will turn to the historic structures, agree with you on the

786
01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:03,670
Anchorage.

787
01:04:05,890 --> 01:04:25,690
I would propose the second line here, just changing it to say,

788
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:32,310
should encourage the city should encourage a variety of housing types to encourage affordability

789
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:35,550
across income rates and use this targeted infrastructure investments and then have an

790
01:04:35,550 --> 01:04:40,230
expedited permanent support development. Of course, it's an aspirational statement, but it's

791
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:47,810
whatever, whatever. Everybody okay with that type of language? I agree with that. I was kind

792
01:04:47,810 --> 01:04:53,910
of looking at that one in connection with the other, but how specific do we want to be in this

793
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:59,790
Vision process, I think, acknowledging that we will encourage.

794
01:05:00,050 --> 01:05:08,950
A variety of housing types at various affordability levels, I think is important. So I kind of like the middle one maybe word Smith the little.

795
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:13,980
Any other?

796
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,360
That's cut two counselors, but I want to hear from everybody. It counts as a bomb burner.

797
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:30,740
Thank you. I think the second wording is fine. I think it does need to be. At this point, a little bit more general.

798
01:05:30,740 --> 01:05:38,720
and this does that and includes the elements that we're hearing about and that we've

799
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,960
been talking about that we want to prioritize.

800
01:05:44,580 --> 01:05:49,640
So I would agree with so far what you all said.

801
01:05:50,660 --> 01:05:52,640
Councillor Bontina, see you nodding?

802
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:55,940
I agree with them.

803
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,840
The more general and these things, the better.

804
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,280
It's too early to try and be that specific, I guess.

805
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:04,320
Thanks.

806
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,580
And I think Councillor Groner, you were an agreement.

807
01:06:06,820 --> 01:06:07,900
I would say to your agreement earlier.

808
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:10,940
Really positive, but not commit to anything.

809
01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:11,680
Thank you.

810
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:12,680
Councillor Brey.

811
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:19,620
Just looking at it, how about the city should allow a variety of housing types?

812
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:26,480
we haven't done the zoning and so the zoning would initiate various housing types so kind of take out the

813
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:33,280
Consider allowing and just they should allow and then that paragraph. I think states what we're trying to present.

814
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:45,520
Exense. Okay, so I thought we would tackle that potential change. We've done that and so now we will turn to the

815
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:56,000
historic preservation issue, and I would like to take public testimony at this point, if that's okay with

816
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:01,760
presenters at this time. Okay, how many folks do we have signed up? I see we've got to look at it.

817
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:04,600
Just two. Okay,

818
01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:10,640
Dan Butler.

819
01:07:14,310 --> 01:07:17,050
Okay, I come on up, whoever would like to come on up for.

820
01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:31,020
Welcome and I got your slide show and I heard you might need to go a little bit over three minutes and that's totally fine

821
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:36,780
Okay, so welcome and just at your names and city of residences and take it away.

822
01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:40,420
I'm Dan Butler. I live in the Clacamus in the shadow of Mount Albert.

823
01:07:41,260 --> 01:07:43,440
I'm a really a Rebecca. I live in Westland.

824
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:56,640
So, we come from the Advocates of Limit Falls heritage and our President Troy Powers sent you this email and I'm just going to read it really quickly and that might go through some of these slides.

825
01:07:57,660 --> 01:08:07,620
As you know, we, the Advocates for Limit Falls heritage, continue to proactively assure that the history of Wesleyan community around the Falls is not lost as the city grows when it comes home to future generations.

826
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:13,760
The waterfront, vision plan will play an important role in determining the future of the area around the falls.

827
01:08:14,060 --> 01:08:23,440
The vision plan offers the City Council the opportunity to incorporate elements of Wesleyan's rich waterfront history, including its industrial heritage into the waterfront's future.

828
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:31,680
Because our mission and involvement, advocates has considerable knowledge about more as island, the limit, locks, and the area covered by the vision plan.

829
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:37,400
We do not encourage for saving all or a majority of build structures and industrial artifacts.

830
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:44,540
We do request the vision play and clearly encourage the preservation or reuse of some of the built structures and industrial artifacts.

831
01:08:44,980 --> 01:08:53,480
We would like to share with you pictures of some of the existing treasures and a couple of concepts that we purpose and industrial elements to preserve the heritage of the area.

832
01:08:53,900 --> 01:09:00,060
We think incorporating such concepts into the vision play and will be instrumental in highlighting possibilities opportunities and expectations.

833
01:09:00,060 --> 01:09:04,740
Thank you for your continued consideration support on behalf of the Advocate Stripe Powers.

834
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,160
This is sort of redundant as what we just saw.

835
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,860
You guys have some great ideas for changing some of the language.

836
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:15,320
So this is just a sort of underlying that point.

837
01:09:16,660 --> 01:09:21,260
So to introduce myself and Dan, I'm a resident here and I grew up in Westland.

838
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:26,120
I have an architecture degree from PSU and I also work in architecture for a long time.

839
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,660
Dan is an industrial photographer and for the past 10 years he's been touring more as island

840
01:09:31,660 --> 01:09:38,420
extensively with former employees and he has a wealth of knowledge about the goings on and the

841
01:09:38,420 --> 01:09:39,600
intricacies of the area.

842
01:09:45,150 --> 01:09:48,450
Okay well what we have this is what we have and it's somewhat misleading

843
01:09:48,450 --> 01:09:55,970
and that we have a whole lot more but I think this is a little restippant of some of the areas in the mill

844
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:59,970
that, frankly, a lot of bill employees have not seen and land on it.

845
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,820
Peter P. G. has not seen. Picture here on the left is grinder room number 3. This is where

846
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:12,820
they used water power to grind wood into fiber. Paper making. It was one of the two methods

847
01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:20,320
they used. And this is a big structure that it's out closest to the falls. To the right shows

848
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:27,030
it's almost a cathedral-like space where the big 13-foot pinstocks come from the face of the

849
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:43,050
to the turbines to spend the grinders, and these were very unique spaces, and have a lot of potential for multiple uses, and it's truly one of the treasures within the mill.

850
01:10:43,050 --> 01:10:43,050
What's

851
01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:49,510
the right way?

852
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:50,930
I got those on the way.

853
01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:53,740
Thank you.

854
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:54,380
Okay.

855
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:02,700
Moving to the lower part of the island on the left is in Milby the base of the digesters.

856
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:06,980
This is where they use chemical process to cook the pulp.

857
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,220
And they're essentially big pressure covers.

858
01:11:10,820 --> 01:11:12,720
And that process stopped in 1968.

859
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,980
These four story high digesters are what you use to smell.

860
01:11:17,980 --> 01:11:24,040
the bad smell of paper-making operation was a sulfide process, and I can say that discontinued

861
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:29,400
1968, but the structures and the digestors remain. The one on the right is an acid

862
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:34,800
accumulator, but it's, they're most of the show, some of the views that you can see from

863
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,720
the various structures on the site.

864
01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:43,970
This is still in mil B, that's on the left, is towards

865
01:11:43,970 --> 01:11:50,470
the top of the digester. Again, this is like a big thermospodel, four-story, high thermospodel.

866
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:55,430
to the right, that is the top of the digesters, where the

867
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:57,490
winch ships would fall in and they would cook it for about

868
01:11:57,490 --> 01:11:58,970
eight hours under pressure.

869
01:12:00,130 --> 01:12:03,070
And looking at how the windows, this is about half

870
01:12:03,070 --> 01:12:05,350
we have the big structure of this right next to the

871
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:06,030
small stack.

872
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:10,070
The area above this is filled with winch ships or was.

873
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,320
Okay, almost like that.

874
01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:19,520
I just wanted to juxtapose that digester that we have with

875
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,620
project in San Antonio, Texas. This is the stern worth, which is the bar inside the hotel

876
01:12:24,620 --> 01:12:33,920
Emma, which sits inside what the former Pearl Brewing building that was built in 1894.

877
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,180
Here you can see the beer tanks have been playfully repurposed into seating booths for the bar

878
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:42,100
and restaurant. I'm going to read a little bit from the hotel's website.

879
01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:46,420
When you visit hotel Emma, you'll see the industrial artifacts respectfully and sometimes

880
01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:50,000
intrinsically incorporated into graciously design spaces.

881
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:52,900
A sweet ceiling is the bottom of the cast iron hopper.

882
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:56,880
An early 20th century compressor has been retired to the lobby

883
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,360
and solid bronze industrial gadgets are

884
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:00,800
repurposed as lighting fixtures.

885
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,620
The brewery's tangible history is taking on new life at Hotel Emma.

886
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:09,180
So I personally visited this project and it's incredible.

887
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,440
There's a couple other just sort of inspopex.

888
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:20,920
Um, this one on the left is the coming needs brewery, it's in an original brewery building built in 1860 in the Czech Republic.

889
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:26,780
It was used as a warehouse after brewering operations cease after World War II.

890
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,960
In 2016, it's been bought and turned into a brewery again.

891
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:39,260
On the right, we see Empire stores, which is a mixed use adaptor reuse project on the formerly industrial waterfront in Brooklyn, New York.

892
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:41,640
Which is pretty similar to what we have here.

893
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:47,840
The architects are called S9 and this little bit from the website says S9's sympathetically

894
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:53,300
joined 7 separate historic buildings and added an additional 2.5 floors to create a new

895
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:58,020
public space that celebrates and preserves the area and dust real past while establishing

896
01:13:58,020 --> 01:13:59,840
a new community hub.

897
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:04,660
I'm sorry, what was that originally?

898
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:10,200
I don't know originally what it is, there were 7 buildings, so there was less

899
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:11,860
different functions on that area.

900
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:19,710
And this is a more local project elected, do you want to talk about it, Dan?

901
01:14:19,770 --> 01:14:22,350
Yes, as you see, Seattle, excuse me, the Spokane

902
01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:27,030
steam plant on the left, which was in the right and downtown Spokane,

903
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:29,010
powered a lot of buildings in Spokane.

904
01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:32,270
It was decommissioned and set idle for many years,

905
01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:36,190
and has now been repurposed into both of hotel and restaurant.

906
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:39,030
And you can see on the right what they've done to incorporate

907
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:45,570
a lot of those entities and artifacts of the original structure and to a very attractive and

908
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:46,790
functional facility.

909
01:14:48,710 --> 01:14:53,710
Okay, so just in conclusion what we're asking for is to strongly encourage and incentivize

910
01:14:53,710 --> 01:14:58,350
and adapt to reuse the approach that turns some of the embedded energy and strong visual historic

911
01:14:58,350 --> 01:14:59,890
elements in the existing.

912
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:15,030
Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you so much for being here and I want to thank also the other. Other advocates behind you there that have been part of the process for a long time.

913
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:21,370
including a couple of former city counselors, Jim, and Joe D. Nice to see you both. Welcome back to the chamber.

914
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:29,830
I think the historic preservation is very important to us, so I will get into the specific language in just a few minutes,

915
01:15:30,030 --> 01:15:37,010
but we really appreciate the examples and photos, and it would be so cool to see something like that in the future at the falls.

916
01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:42,490
I know we've been dealing with the tension of not restricting the private sector to the

917
01:15:42,490 --> 01:15:47,090
point where nothing can happen but making sure that we can do something to see where

918
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:47,930
we use can happen.

919
01:15:48,450 --> 01:15:56,170
So, we will discuss momentarily here on any other questions or comments for the advocates.

920
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:58,590
Councillor Groner.

921
01:15:58,730 --> 01:16:00,590
Yeah, a couple of observations.

922
01:16:01,270 --> 01:16:05,430
One, it seems most of your examples are in downtown areas and I think more as island

923
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:14,090
has some real problems with access, just a comment, but the other is who would be doing the

924
01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:19,010
investing to do these rehabilitation? Do you have any thoughts on that?

925
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:23,970
I think that would come down the line to him Edwards has a lot of experience in this.

926
01:16:24,370 --> 01:16:29,150
He's a urban planner and so there's lots of options.

927
01:16:31,190 --> 01:16:32,150
Thank you.

928
01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:36,990
I think that would be when talking in the form of government around on the trust and engagement

929
01:16:36,990 --> 01:16:41,130
process that they're going to have, I think this is the type of thing that we can talk

930
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:45,070
about as she's doing fundraising and that group is working hard on that, making sure

931
01:16:45,070 --> 01:16:49,870
that there's some advocates for reuse wherever possible would be great.

932
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:52,470
This is basically our dream for your vision.

933
01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:53,990
I think we can talk about it.

934
01:16:53,990 --> 01:17:00,950
No, absolutely, we definitely appreciate that and like I said, be awesome to see those sorts of

935
01:17:00,950 --> 01:17:05,510
brewery like that sometime on the right near the falls. Do you have a comment?

936
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:08,190
Councillor President Baumgren, go ahead.

937
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:14,210
Thanks, Mayor. Yeah, so thank you for the engagement and also the information.

938
01:17:15,790 --> 01:17:22,350
My concern about this area is the reason why I started coming to council meetings originally six or eight

939
01:17:22,350 --> 01:17:27,050
years ago or however long ago was, is the toxins that are present in these sites.

940
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:32,930
So a brewery is a different type of use than a paper mill.

941
01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:44,410
And a steam plant is a similar way as a different use that didn't have the level of chemical use.

942
01:17:44,410 --> 01:17:55,910
And so those are the concerns I have is the cost to make safe a building that was used with such toxins present.

943
01:17:56,430 --> 01:18:09,450
So I think that's going to be our big challenge with this whole area is how to be able to repurpose it reasonably, financially, reasonably.

944
01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:18,490
So I'm not against saving buildings or I'm just being realistic about the possibilities

945
01:18:18,490 --> 01:18:29,770
and not wanting to restrict what we can do with some with a preservation kind of restriction on it.

946
01:18:30,150 --> 01:18:35,630
But not every building, maybe some of the buildings that were not used with, you know,

947
01:18:35,630 --> 01:18:44,850
not in such close proximity to toxic functions that certainly a possibility, but I appreciate

948
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:47,790
all of your work and diligence on this.

949
01:18:48,230 --> 01:18:50,110
Thank you.

950
01:18:50,770 --> 01:18:54,710
Any other comments for the advocates at Councillor Bonnet and go ahead?

951
01:18:55,150 --> 01:18:55,390
Yeah.

952
01:18:55,870 --> 01:18:59,530
I've been strong agreement with what Council President said there.

953
01:18:59,530 --> 01:19:08,790
I guess I would be supportive of something to the effect of encouraging adaptive repurposing

954
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:14,370
as you called it to the extent that it's not going to become cost prohibitive to the

955
01:19:14,370 --> 01:19:17,630
property owners who end up developing it.

956
01:19:18,030 --> 01:19:23,930
It's great and very to think about some of this being preserved in that way, but if it

957
01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:28,210
sinks the entire project and it ends up continuing to sit unused as it is, that would

958
01:19:28,210 --> 01:19:34,290
a tragedy. So we need to strike a balance there for what we're trying to accomplish without

959
01:19:34,290 --> 01:19:36,290
voiling the entire thing.

960
01:19:38,570 --> 01:19:40,730
Good comments. Councillor Groner.

961
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:44,490
Yeah, I can open Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And there have been some really creative

962
01:19:44,490 --> 01:19:49,830
reuses of old railroad stations in Pittsburgh that have basically been turned either into office

963
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:56,230
buildings or basically shopping malls. But both of them had easy access on the city.

964
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,900
Any other questions for the advocates or may we let them go back to? Okay. Well, thank you for coming and presenting.

965
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:16,020
Thank you. And we will now engage in our review of these proposed language from our staff.

966
01:20:18,020 --> 01:20:18,020
And

967
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:26,680
with it, language in mind that the advocates also presented about encouraging some adaptive reuse.

968
01:20:29,580 --> 01:20:32,800
Yes, that'd be helpful if you put there are the bullets right there.

969
01:20:37,820 --> 01:20:38,900
It came off somehow.

970
01:20:38,900 --> 01:20:40,380
I don't know how that happened.

971
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:44,340
Oh, Chris.

972
01:20:47,860 --> 01:20:50,060
Miss Solberg, would you like to make a comment?

973
01:20:52,420 --> 01:20:52,680
Welcome.

974
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:53,420
Sorry.

975
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,220
I didn't know you had maybe there was confusion on the form.

976
01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:58,320
I'm glad you flagged us before we moved on.

977
01:20:58,720 --> 01:20:58,740
Please.

978
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,060
From the historic review board, the steam chair I'd go ahead.

979
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:03,300
Go ahead.

980
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:04,740
Thank you.

981
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:07,140
I had emailed with Lynn.

982
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,560
I didn't realize there was an extra step to take care.

983
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,360
So my name is Kirsten Solberg.

984
01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:12,800
I'm a Westland resident.

985
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,220
I'm an architect with my business based in Westland.

986
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,540
I'm also a member of the Historic Review Board,

987
01:21:19,620 --> 01:21:21,760
but I'm not here to speak in that capacity.

988
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:25,280
I have a handful of comments about the waterfront plan.

989
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:27,500
I'm not connected with the adaptive,

990
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:30,960
or the group that just spoke advocacy,

991
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:39,980
but I am a huge proponent of adaptive reuse, I admit that access over a lock is definitely

992
01:21:39,980 --> 01:21:45,760
challenging but that is a building that maybe people don't realize how amazing it can be but

993
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:54,540
it is worth trying to preserve and reuse and treasure. There are examples of paper mills that

994
01:21:54,540 --> 01:22:01,140
have had successful adaptive reuse projects in Danville, Virginia, and in Maine.

995
01:22:01,820 --> 01:22:06,100
There's textile mills in Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.

996
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,860
One of the most interesting ones I saw was in a floodplain and also incorporated a trail

997
01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:18,640
that encompassed the history, and I'd like to follow up with some of these images to share

998
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,700
with you later this week, and links if you want to learn more about those projects.

999
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:39,900
The next thing I wanted to say is that during the Planning Commission meeting, when there was discussion about toxins in the wetlands area and also the supplies to Moors Island, it would be nice to know who is our contact person in the city.

1000
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:51,760
In the event that we can get these areas cleaned up, it seemed to be unknown about who's who's the contact person and whether or not these areas will be cleaned up.

1001
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:57,020
If we don't deal with the toxins now, it's just going to cause problems down the road.

1002
01:22:57,980 --> 01:22:58,880
And I haven't seen the report.

1003
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,940
I don't know what the contamination is, but with a background in architecture and life safety and welfare.

1004
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:11,460
Like, you know, bad stuff happens, and the longer you kick the hand down the road, the harder it is to take care of.

1005
01:23:12,020 --> 01:23:19,500
And then the last thing I wanted to mention is that the language about citing the 1996 floodplain.

1006
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:24,740
I would like to, instead, suggest referring to the FEMA floodplain documents.

1007
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:31,160
That considers not just the 96 flood, but all floods and all projected floods.

1008
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:36,580
It has information about base flood elevations in it.

1009
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:43,600
And just for example, the base flood elevation, if you build below the base flood elevation,

1010
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:46,720
you have to follow FEMA design guidelines.

1011
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:54,240
normal materials for a standard home or commercial project can't be used below that

1012
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:55,520
base flood elevation.

1013
01:23:58,020 --> 01:24:01,440
Installation. Gip board that has a paper face on it. A whole bunch

1014
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:06,020
of items can't be used below there. It can't be a habitable space. So for instance on

1015
01:24:06,020 --> 01:24:11,160
the, I've a print out of the FEMA flood zone for these areas that we're discussing and

1016
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:18,680
include that in the information I send later, at Burnert Landing, the base blood elevation is 75 feet,

1017
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:25,800
on Moore's Island, it's between 69 and 49 feet, and then for instance, at the Cedarot Boat

1018
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:33,780
Boat Landing, the elevation in the flood plains that you can build above and have a normal habitable space,

1019
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:40,600
or commercial space, is 46 feet. And jurisdictions I've worked in, it's a pretty rigorous process

1020
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:45,280
where the drawings are scrutinized to make sure they comply with design guidelines.

1021
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:52,820
There are pre and post-construction, professional survey reports that are submitted to make

1022
01:24:52,820 --> 01:24:54,580
sure it's complied with.

1023
01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:59,980
And it has repercussions for whether or not a jurisdiction can have access to the next

1024
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:13,780
National Flood Insurance Program. It just seems like it's such an important document. Anything that has to be built needs to comply with it. It seems like that's the document that should be used for making some of these big decisions.

1025
01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:20,380
I thought it would also mention that municipalities that don't comply,

1026
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:27,700
they can be put on probation or suspended from the Flood Insurance Program,

1027
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:33,300
which is very bad for a municipality and it can also interfere with jurisdictions receiving

1028
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:36,780
FEMA or state disaster aid.

1029
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:43,760
So please share that map with us and the information you just mentioned and we'll have

1030
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,840
our planning staff take a look at that.

1031
01:25:46,220 --> 01:25:46,780
I'd be happy to.

1032
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:47,700
Before the next.

1033
01:25:48,420 --> 01:25:51,400
It works the next the adoption meeting and if we have to make a change.

1034
01:25:53,740 --> 01:25:57,680
Thank you and thank you for your comments on the historic preservation and

1035
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:02,020
and all that you do for the Historic Review Board as well.

1036
01:26:02,580 --> 01:26:04,960
Look forward to reviewing that when you send it over tonight.

1037
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:07,200
Okay.

1038
01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:12,300
Back to the issue at hand, which is the President,

1039
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:18,140
I would say here we have kind of a breakdown of the existing language

1040
01:26:18,140 --> 01:26:25,260
just showcasing that there is some preservation language in the plan

1041
01:26:25,260 --> 01:26:30,060
and we could transition to the, oh, there's another more language, okay?

1042
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,240
And there's some potential language.

1043
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:37,080
Now, we've got five options for a city council to choose from.

1044
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,240
How does a city council narrow it down to one?

1045
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,480
It a timely manner with five good people up here.

1046
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:46,480
A council or break has a thought.

1047
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:51,220
I would eliminate the first bullet because evaluating structures

1048
01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:54,520
doesn't have an action item associated with that.

1049
01:26:54,520 --> 01:27:01,180
It's just look at them and I think we need to be a little bit more specific about encouraging

1050
01:27:01,180 --> 01:27:05,680
the rehabilitation or those kinds of things.

1051
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,580
I would almost propose, I agree with that, I'd almost propose a combination hybrid of

1052
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:16,660
bullet point two and four because you're encouraging rehabilitation reuse of key structures

1053
01:27:16,660 --> 01:27:21,580
where economically feasible and work with private sector partners to identify sites where we

1054
01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:26,140
have been reused with enhanced visitor experience and support projects that showcase the heritage.

1055
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,520
That merger is almost exactly bullet five.

1056
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:38,820
Oh, the. Okay. So what do you, what do you guys think of what I, I don't

1057
01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:46,940
prepare? Yeah, I think the element of five that was missing from that one is identifying

1058
01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:55,600
which what ones are the key historic ones, so that I don't know some of that those resources aren't going into the wrong areas.

1059
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:04,940
And then encourage the private property owners through whatever means we have whatever incentives we have to work on this.

1060
01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:06,720
Thank you.

1061
01:28:06,940 --> 01:28:07,460
For that.

1062
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:08,860
Thanks for that, Councillor Groner.

1063
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:10,260
Councillor Bracky, have done a thought.

1064
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:16,440
And I think also in the wordsmithing I really liked the language that the advocates had in their last slide.

1065
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:22,500
that seemed very concise, specifically said what we were hoping to do, and so if we can incorporate

1066
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:29,140
that language into our statement, I think that would be good, at least a portion of it.

1067
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:35,540
So it sounds like there's some agreement among key themes on what we'd like the final

1068
01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:41,600
language to say, maybe reflecting some of what was in the advocates statement, just encouraging

1069
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:42,940
adaptive reuse.

1070
01:28:42,940 --> 01:28:57,960
They had the plane was strongly encouraging and then maybe we could take a stab at based on the council discussion coming up with a bullet point that kind of captures the partnership with property owners, that you know the key of the importance of the private sector.

1071
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:07,940
And, you know, the economically feasible element because that's another key that I heard from the discussion from council's bottom tin and growner.

1072
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,240
So that makes sense.

1073
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:18,060
We'll trust you all to draft something up and you could even send it out to the City Council at some point.

1074
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:27,980
Yeah, we can draft a couple of options for you and send it out to you.

1075
01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:29,820
In advance of you.

1076
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:34,820
I have a chance to look over it and on it.

1077
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:36,560
Okay.

1078
01:29:39,500 --> 01:29:44,200
That makes sense and I think it reflects that we're, we're, we're, we hear the advocates

1079
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:44,720
testimony.

1080
01:29:44,980 --> 01:29:50,040
We want to make sure that the plan reflects your values, which I think are our shared values

1081
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:55,260
as well from the historic preservation and reuse wherever economically feasible.

1082
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,680
So that kind of handles the two issues, go ahead, Darren.

1083
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,420
I do want to just ensure council knows that what Miss Solberg talked about with the building materials and the review process.

1084
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:18,180
That is all part of the city's current process if you're going to develop in the floodplain. So we have all those rules in place in the community development code.

1085
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:26,380
The building official ensures any development in the floodplain meets the standards. So the city's already doing that.

1086
01:30:26,380 --> 01:30:29,520
So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, thank you for pointing that out.

1087
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:37,140
And if, if, if, if if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if another map comes in that has a different line that may be made made make more so we can review that and take a look at that.

1088
01:30:37,460 --> 01:30:49,620
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's the property owners responsibility to establish the, the floodplain elevation and then provide the drawings that show whether the building is above or below the floodplain elevation.

1089
01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:54,260
So just just so the community knows that that's, that's taking place in the city of Westline.

1090
01:30:54,260 --> 01:31:01,110
Thank you, thank you very much for that and before we so I think that kind of addresses the main

1091
01:31:01,660 --> 01:31:07,270
Couple of things that you had from your slideshow for potential changes and I just we did want to take a moment to

1092
01:31:08,860 --> 01:31:15,260
Address some of the public the public comment that came in that we've received from a few folks and I

1093
01:31:15,260 --> 01:31:19,620
I just have been thinking about that because at the last city council meeting

1094
01:31:19,620 --> 01:31:25,200
And this is in relation to the map and the delineation and the pond district that shows

1095
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:30,320
some potential development area, south of Fifth Avenue, and I wanted to clarify what's

1096
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,880
going on with that, and the shading on the map.

1097
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:38,980
That yellow color is used across the entire waterfront, basically, to show areas that are technically

1098
01:31:38,980 --> 01:31:41,480
developable, meaning that they're outside of the floodplain.

1099
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:47,660
It does not mean that housing or any other kind of development is planned or encouraged there.

1100
01:31:47,660 --> 01:31:53,840
And at the October 7th City Council meeting, I raised the issue with the Council of whether we should

1101
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:59,720
remove the yellow shading, South Fathau, New or remove the language that was said medium

1102
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:04,740
residential and in the planning stages, and we, the Council decided we're going to remove

1103
01:32:04,740 --> 01:32:07,560
the language on a medium density residential.

1104
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,740
And then when we talked about the map and the planning staff recommended that we keep that

1105
01:32:12,740 --> 01:32:18,340
place for consistency across the entire waterfront plan.

1106
01:32:19,300 --> 01:32:24,400
And so I just want to be clear that whether that area is yellow or not has nothing to

1107
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,400
do with whether a development could or couldn't occur there.

1108
01:32:27,420 --> 01:32:28,720
And I think we heard that tonight.

1109
01:32:29,740 --> 01:32:36,740
But the city council was in charge of that and directed that that was how the area should

1110
01:32:36,740 --> 01:32:38,360
appear on the map at the last meeting.

1111
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:44,180
And I want to thank the planning staff and our consultant for your professionalism and work and

1112
01:32:44,180 --> 01:32:44,480
doing that.

1113
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,960
There were some criticism of the planning department because of that that map continued

1114
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:57,680
to show the yellow over that South of Fifth Avenue property, but that was from my perspective,

1115
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:04,280
a council decision or really, the council did not object at the time last week or two weeks ago

1116
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:09,040
to that provision and you all are doing a great job, bringing forward what we are asking

1117
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:09,960
you to.

1118
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:14,420
And I am willing to open up the conversation to the Council, just for a final check.

1119
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:20,820
If folks have any final comments on the plan, the map, I know the Council really does support

1120
01:33:20,820 --> 01:33:25,580
wetland preservation, it's part of the plan, and there's just seems to be a hang up over

1121
01:33:25,580 --> 01:33:31,480
that last little part of the map, but I really don't want that to be something that makes

1122
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:38,860
a really negative adoption hearing, even though it's something that, you know, is just showing

1123
01:33:38,860 --> 01:33:44,460
developable area that's technically developable under city zoning code, that's it.

1124
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,220
So it's not an endorsement by the city council.

1125
01:33:48,380 --> 01:33:52,560
The endorsement was taken out because we took out the medium residential and the planning

1126
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:57,340
stage is language last week and not that that wasn't endorsement.

1127
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,300
But just that potential tilt.

1128
01:33:59,300 --> 01:34:03,360
any thoughts from the Council? I thought Councillor Brack and then the Council of

1129
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:09,300
Bonnie and Ten has a comment. I kind of want to jump in a little bit to the

1130
01:34:09,300 --> 01:34:14,500
concerns raised about the Ponds and my understanding is that there are various

1131
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:20,080
levels of remediation that would be required depending upon the use and yet

1132
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:26,440
there's concern that if we don't have remediation start immediately that there is

1133
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:35,360
chance of incursion of any of the toxic sludge from the ponds escaping. I don't know how

1134
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,820
we deal with that because we're not the owners of the property. We don't have a development

1135
01:34:39,820 --> 01:34:47,120
plan for the property. And as I said, I believe the remediation would vary depending upon

1136
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:55,340
the type of development that is determined. So I don't have an answer to this. I just think

1137
01:34:55,340 --> 01:34:59,980
it's something that we need to consider and at least express that yes.

1138
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,200
We know that there could be some risk there, but we don't really have the ability to do anything

1139
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:09,580
about it at this point.

1140
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,720
With the ponds in general, the environmental risk there.

1141
01:35:14,900 --> 01:35:15,060
Yeah, no.

1142
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:20,340
That's been an important topic for council president, bomb gardener as well, and this time

1143
01:35:20,340 --> 01:35:26,560
it's not under city ownership either, so it's kind of, but I think we should do some studies

1144
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:31,680
on that at some point and something we definitely know in the plan from the standpoint of making

1145
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:38,620
sure where that area is not toxic or not spreading toxins around, Councillor Bonnington had

1146
01:35:38,620 --> 01:35:40,780
a comment on the plan.

1147
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:49,740
Maybe I'm being overly cautious with this analysis, but to the extent that this map just

1148
01:35:49,740 --> 01:35:57,680
flexible area just like we are not including language that says we're encouraging that specific

1149
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:06,740
part to be developed to deliberately remove it from the map and state that we're not going

1150
01:36:06,740 --> 01:36:12,300
to allow development there would immediately have an inherent bias for our land use decisions

1151
01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:17,440
we might have to hear in the future so we kind of need to leave it in the middle I would

1152
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:21,920
think of just being realistic about the fact that it's

1153
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:26,240
developable and whatever comes after that, that's the

1154
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:27,700
decision we may hear in the future.

1155
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,760
Something to solve our city regulations and appreciate

1156
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:39,490
that. Any other thoughts, council president, please?

1157
01:36:39,970 --> 01:36:45,250
Thanks. So I do have, and this is kind of in the interest of

1158
01:36:45,250 --> 01:36:49,090
clearing up something that I continue to hear, concern,

1159
01:36:49,090 --> 01:36:58,770
and brought to us, and including tonight, the reference to the public comment not being

1160
01:36:58,770 --> 01:37:06,630
available to the, I don't know if it was, it has been stated about, it was not available

1161
01:37:06,630 --> 01:37:08,010
to the working group.

1162
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:16,930
I don't know if maybe you could clarify that a little bit, I know that was a question

1163
01:37:16,930 --> 01:37:22,530
you've answered in the past, but maybe you could just for the record remind how that was made

1164
01:37:22,530 --> 01:37:23,030
available.

1165
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:26,410
Yes, thank you.

1166
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:35,410
So when the survey was done, or was put out for the community to respond to in December of

1167
01:37:35,410 --> 01:37:39,810
2024, it was open for about six weeks till the end of January.

1168
01:37:40,530 --> 01:37:44,070
We received a number of comments from the community.

1169
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:54,690
We had distilled those comments down into a matrix and then provided responses that then we gave to the working group.

1170
01:37:55,390 --> 01:38:00,550
We did not supply them the hundreds of pages of actual emails and comment letters.

1171
01:38:00,890 --> 01:38:03,130
We put it into that matrix, so it was more digestible.

1172
01:38:04,130 --> 01:38:05,950
So that was provided to them.

1173
01:38:06,890 --> 01:38:09,070
We heard feedback that that wasn't acceptable.

1174
01:38:09,070 --> 01:38:18,990
So moving forward with the Planning Commission and Council, we provide all comments that have been submitted from that time forward in your packets.

1175
01:38:19,290 --> 01:38:23,470
There are links on the page five of your agenda bill.

1176
01:38:23,710 --> 01:38:28,690
Links to all of the comments we received leading up to your decision making process.

1177
01:38:30,270 --> 01:38:31,330
Thank you.

1178
01:38:31,490 --> 01:38:38,210
I just wanted to clarify that because I had kept coming up and I just wanted the public to know that

1179
01:38:38,210 --> 01:38:47,650
their comments are being read and we are taking them into consideration and on the subject of the

1180
01:38:47,650 --> 01:38:54,190
cleanup of the ponds and I don't know if this is a question that can even be answered right now

1181
01:38:54,190 --> 01:39:04,270
but it's a it's really a legal question that can the city require a more strict level of diligence

1182
01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:13,150
than DEQ, can a city of Westland, for instance, say, well, DEQ is only requiring

1183
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:19,110
ex steps to be done. That's not good enough for us. We're going to up the empty. Is that

1184
01:39:19,110 --> 01:39:27,270
something that cities can do? Yes, that's a great question. And I did speak with staff at DEQ.

1185
01:39:27,850 --> 01:39:34,970
They have never had this happen, but they said it would be possible for a city to enact

1186
01:39:34,970 --> 01:39:40,370
stricter standards, like parts per million of a cleanup if they wanted to, but you would

1187
01:39:40,370 --> 01:39:48,570
have to go through the process of setting that through a scientific research project, and then

1188
01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:55,410
get it into your code, which takes several years, and then they said that there could also

1189
01:39:55,410 --> 01:39:59,970
be a challenge of, because the standards set by the State of Oregon and...

1190
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:30,540
And then just kind of now we're speculating so bear with me. But in your experience, would that then need to be

1191
01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:38,560
property would that be then a new standard or could we apply it on a case-by-case basis?

1192
01:40:39,580 --> 01:40:40,960
It would be the standard.

1193
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:42,400
Okay.

1194
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:50,400
And I'm very interested to hear about the potential of converting paper mills.

1195
01:40:51,020 --> 01:40:55,960
So if anybody, and I'm putting this out there because I'm genuinely interested,

1196
01:40:56,280 --> 01:41:00,700
but at least one of the examples that you mentioned is was a text-style mill,

1197
01:41:00,700 --> 01:41:04,000
not a paper mill. So it was,

1198
01:41:06,630 --> 01:41:11,890
well, textile mills, of course, had less chemical. That's the concern.

1199
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:19,330
I'm just saying that if there's paper mills that were the similar process of what these mills

1200
01:41:19,330 --> 01:41:25,670
were doing, then I'm really interested in not reinventing the wheel if some other human disability

1201
01:41:25,670 --> 01:41:32,190
has found the ability to do this. I think it'd be great to learn about that, how they were successful

1202
01:41:32,190 --> 01:41:36,990
and maybe even we could find out funding sources for clean up.

1203
01:41:37,390 --> 01:41:42,390
Maybe there's federal funds available for instance for these purposes.

1204
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:47,640
That's it.

1205
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:54,200
Okay, and I did want to note, Mr. Schumacher brought up the resolution.

1206
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,460
It just did the Plenty Department of Justice City Attorney draft the resolutions.

1207
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:00,920
I don't recall the process for this one.

1208
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:02,540
I drafted the resolution.

1209
01:42:02,540 --> 01:42:06,880
And if you would like to add the, with recommendations, be happy to do that.

1210
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:11,320
Yeah, and I was thinking, when it gives to the adoption stage, like, if you had the planning

1211
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:14,440
commission's recommendation specified out, and then the next whereas, and they're kind

1212
01:42:14,440 --> 01:42:19,920
of specified, what the city council that the city council accepted them and took some action on it,

1213
01:42:20,980 --> 01:42:24,660
you know, and what we basically, what we've been discussing and what we decided to do,

1214
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:28,360
based on those recommendations, it could be helpful just to make sure the resolution's

1215
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:37,500
that we adhered to the Planning Commission recommendation or we received the recommendation and acted on it in X-way.

1216
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:42,460
Okay, we can update the resolution to have a...

1217
01:42:42,460 --> 01:42:42,520
Yeah.

1218
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:44,740
Do exactly as you just said.

1219
01:42:45,220 --> 01:42:46,100
Sounds good.

1220
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:48,360
Thank you for that.

1221
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,840
Is everybody okay with that from the City Council just making the resolution a little bit more

1222
01:42:54,840 --> 01:43:04,840
and certain, okay, see not. So with that, are there any other issues on the waterfront plan?

1223
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:09,300
I have to tell you, everybody I'm excited because this has been a long time, long-term

1224
01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:14,700
process that's been, the Council President and I were elected in 2020 and we've been working

1225
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:20,460
on the waterfront trying to see this through for many years and so I'll save my longer statement

1226
01:43:20,460 --> 01:43:25,340
until the next meeting, but very exciting to get to this point and 10 years in the making.

1227
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:28,080
Darren, I think this has been one of your main projects.

1228
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,720
The entire time you've been with the City of Westland, if I'm not mistaken, so it would

1229
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:31,920
work.

1230
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:35,460
We'll get to get across the finish line.

1231
01:43:35,820 --> 01:43:40,280
Mr. Williams, any final thoughts on the waterfront plan for we turn to the next exciting

1232
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:40,580
plan?

1233
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:46,940
Let's keep the agenda moving, but we will be making those changes that you've defined.

1234
01:43:46,940 --> 01:43:51,820
And the current adoption schedule is November 18th meeting.

1235
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:53,980
I'll talk a little bit more about Council over.

1236
01:43:54,100 --> 01:43:55,680
Schedule later in the meeting.

1237
01:43:56,460 --> 01:44:01,580
And also just to note that we will perhaps forward some options by email.

1238
01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:03,680
But the Council does not make decisions by email.

1239
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:10,160
So you just be reviewing those individually and making the decisions in our meeting.

1240
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,240
Exactly. That was my thought.

1241
01:44:13,900 --> 01:44:14,280
I'm going to...

1242
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:16,280
I'd like to reassure the public about things like that.

1243
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:17,820
No, I appreciate that.

1244
01:44:18,100 --> 01:44:19,860
A Council President has requested a break,

1245
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,100
and I agree we've been at it for almost two hours,

1246
01:44:22,260 --> 01:44:24,220
so we will take a quick five minute break,

1247
01:44:24,380 --> 01:44:26,300
and then get to vision 43.

1248
01:44:26,740 --> 01:44:29,120
We are ahead of schedule tonight, so appreciate that.

1249
01:44:29,420 --> 01:44:31,180
We're in recess going

1250
01:44:38,450 --> 01:44:39,410
on back there.

1251
01:44:39,810 --> 01:44:40,770
We've got to restore,

1252
01:44:40,830 --> 01:44:42,230
or thank you very much, everybody.

1253
01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:43,930
Now, the crowd has filed out,

1254
01:44:43,930 --> 01:44:46,610
but we still have Rebecca Holland back from Main Street

1255
01:44:46,610 --> 01:44:48,210
and Steve Cooper back there.

1256
01:44:48,230 --> 01:44:49,230
Thank you for being here.

1257
01:44:49,230 --> 01:44:52,690
We will reconvene the meeting.

1258
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:58,430
Again, we're in a work session on October 21st, 2025.

1259
01:44:59,390 --> 01:44:59,830
We have finished.

1260
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,240
The waterfront vision plan review and sent that on to the adoption phase. Just for the record, Mr. Williams, when is that going to be forgot to clarify, the waterfront plan will be adopted on November 18th, okay.

1261
01:45:12,980 --> 01:45:17,820
So we will look forward to that and we'll transition to the vision 43 project update.

1262
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:27,780
So lots of two important plans being discussed tonight and I'll turn it over to Mr. Chris Myers, associate planner who's been working very hard over.

1263
01:45:27,780 --> 01:45:33,220
I don't know if it's been two years now on Vision 43, but glad to have you on board.

1264
01:45:34,420 --> 01:45:35,560
Thank you, Mayor Bill Estoski.

1265
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,840
Appreciate it, Council President, Baumgartner, and Councilors.

1266
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:45,020
Appreciate your time tonight and yes, to confirm it's 24 months this month that we've been working on this project.

1267
01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:49,340
Since both approval and we start as many money on it, so yeah, I call it 24 months.

1268
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,360
Yeah, we're getting there.

1269
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,080
Peace by peace, we'll talk a little bit about that.

1270
01:45:54,780 --> 01:45:56,380
Yeah, thank you very much for the time tonight.

1271
01:45:56,380 --> 01:46:07,180
It's been a little bit since we've given you an update on the project and we've had a few changes and strategic pivots on a couple things that I want to bring you up to speed on and then talk about the timeline.

1272
01:46:08,540 --> 01:46:15,180
So before I get started as you know, I really enjoy giving credit to those who do a lot of work that you don't get to see.

1273
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:24,140
And so as it has become regular, I have to give a shout out to Lynn Schroeder. She's been the back one of this project internally for us and without her I wouldn't.

1274
01:46:24,140 --> 01:46:34,160
This project would not be where it's at right now, and I also want to give a second shout out to our new community development director Steve Coper his insights coming from outside of the city

1275
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:42,180
Coming from another jurisdiction and multiple jurisdictions have actually been really enlightening for me as a project manager to kind of a few things maybe a little bit differently

1276
01:46:42,180 --> 01:46:47,960
We get a little lost in it sometimes stuck in the I can't see the force in the trees and really appreciate that

1277
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:53,700
Plus he's my boss and writes my review. I'm kidding. I actually do appreciate it. See you. Thank you

1278
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:58,100
So it's, oh, I have a controller, I don't know if

1279
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:08,220
I apologize, technical difficulties, on the side green, look at that.

1280
01:47:09,260 --> 01:47:11,600
Okay, all right.

1281
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:18,360
So tonight's topics, we are going to talk about a project timeline extension, a budget amendment.

1282
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:24,960
phase approach to our rezoning process and a larger strategic pivot.

1283
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:30,740
Thank you, Mayor Bill Estoski, for that language that I completely took from you today.

1284
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:39,400
All right, so as I normally do, just in case there's someone viewing in the audience or on TV online

1285
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,200
that doesn't know what vision 43 is of a brief description.

1286
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:50,280
We are out developing a new community vision for the Highway 43 corridor here in Westland.

1287
01:47:51,060 --> 01:47:55,080
We are collaborating and have been collaborating for almost two years now with community

1288
01:47:55,080 --> 01:48:00,760
members to shape our project recommendations, we're out to enhance walking and biking connections

1289
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,380
within and to the corridor.

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01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:11,080
We're trying to expand opportunities for local businesses, housing and community gathering,

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01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,020
community gathering places.

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01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:15,300
And lastly, of course, sort of how the

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01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:17,820
sausage is made up dating city plans and policies

1294
01:48:17,820 --> 01:48:20,480
that support that vision from our community

1295
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:22,620
and implementing those project goals and recommendations.

1296
01:48:26,060 --> 01:48:27,820
So project timeline extension.

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01:48:28,660 --> 01:48:31,360
We originally planned for approval to be this month,

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01:48:31,540 --> 01:48:32,640
October of 2025.

1299
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:35,700
We've had to adjust a little bit as we've gone on,

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01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:37,600
I'll get into some of the details as of why.

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01:48:38,180 --> 01:48:47,560
We have extended the project timeline with a plan for approval of July 26, June July 26.

1302
01:48:49,860 --> 01:48:52,920
The extended timeline is going to allow a couple things to happen.

1303
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:58,440
We are going to increase our outreach with residential property owners within the focus area.

1304
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:02,920
I'll get into a little bit more of the detail on in a few slides or a little bit here.

1305
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:09,120
And then also it's going to give us more time for some community open houses to review some of the proposed code language.

1306
01:49:09,820 --> 01:49:14,240
Again, I will dive a little deeper into that as we move through tonight's presentation.

1307
01:49:15,980 --> 01:49:22,320
And then the next another smaller update for you is we've had a budget amendment to the project.

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01:49:22,940 --> 01:49:27,460
As you may remember, this council will approve $200,000 for the Vision 43 project.

1309
01:49:27,460 --> 01:49:34,060
And we, with the extended timeline, it adds a little bit of consultant project management

1310
01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:34,720
cost.

1311
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:40,520
And as part of that extension, we've also asked for some simplified visualizations,

1312
01:49:40,740 --> 01:49:45,160
some renderings that might be a little easier for the lay person to understand exactly

1313
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:46,460
what we're talking about.

1314
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:50,120
And in those newer renderings that we're going to, you'll simplify versions of renderings,

1315
01:49:50,220 --> 01:49:56,820
we're going to get what can be done now, and then what could be done with what's sort

1316
01:49:56,820 --> 01:49:58,500
be talked about as new code.

1317
01:49:58,880 --> 01:49:59,920
So give me a sort of a before.

1318
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:08,000
After a few weeks, it really let the community understand what it could look like, what it would look, possibly could look like.

1319
01:50:09,620 --> 01:50:15,960
The amended budget, we added $19,850 to our contract with MIG, our consulting firm on the project.

1320
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:27,760
Those funds were actually already budgeted for the vision 33 project through the budget cycle that started July 1, 2025, and we are now utilizing them for the project.

1321
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:33,280
So that is done, but just thought I, full disclosure, show you our new amended budget,

1322
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:38,040
and let me pause there for a moment.

1323
01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:43,100
Just any questions about the timeline or budget, any concerns, outrageous remarks?

1324
01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:51,040
When you say visualizations, are we talking still images or video renderings?

1325
01:50:51,340 --> 01:51:00,660
Still images. I would love some fly through type renderings, but they happen to be quite expensive and beyond the range of the budget that we have for this project.

1326
01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:06,900
All right. I'm sorry. Leave me, I've seen them for other, like they're really cool.

1327
01:51:07,460 --> 01:51:13,520
Yes, they'll be still, but I think they're going to be a far more palatable view than our sort of side version

1328
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:22,280
that we've had for this project, the sort of that cross section. You're going to be a little bit easier to kind of see what we're talking about.

1329
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:28,700
I think it's going to help the community understand more of what the code shift and change might do for it for the city.

1330
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:35,760
Our friends at TBCTV always tell me, they ask me, do you have any ideas for, do you need

1331
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,540
any video projects or, you know, things, promotional things that they can help us out with?

1332
01:51:41,380 --> 01:51:47,640
So if you ever want to, you know, quick 60 second or two minute read however long video

1333
01:51:48,380 --> 01:51:53,980
for on Vision 43 to talk about, you know, whatever you'd like with it, I'm sure they'd be willing

1334
01:51:54,660 --> 01:51:58,700
to help out and come out and even film and work on the project.

1335
01:51:59,220 --> 01:52:00,260
So something to think about.

1336
01:52:00,340 --> 01:52:00,820
Yeah, that's great.

1337
01:52:00,940 --> 01:52:04,660
We'll reach out and discuss options and see where that's fantastic.

1338
01:52:04,780 --> 01:52:05,660
Speaking of videos.

1339
01:52:08,620 --> 01:52:12,180
Any other questions on the timeline or budget?

1340
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:14,180
See, none.

1341
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:15,400
Too pretty easy updates.

1342
01:52:15,620 --> 01:52:18,080
I have four total tonight, so get the easy ones out of the way.

1343
01:52:18,900 --> 01:52:23,140
So the next part, and let me say this before.

1344
01:52:23,140 --> 01:52:27,700
to that next screen. I really appreciate Council's patience. I know we all want this project

1345
01:52:27,700 --> 01:52:34,780
done a year ago or last month of this month. Sometimes when you get into a long-term project,

1346
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:40,000
things change. You hear things from the community and you need to shift and pivot as a mayor

1347
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,400
was talking to me about earlier today. And those pivots take a little bit of time. So we appreciate

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01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:48,780
that your patience and getting through this with us. We all want it done quickly, but we also

1349
01:52:48,780 --> 01:52:51,700
really, really want to done right, especially for a

1350
01:52:51,700 --> 01:52:53,620
a visioning project that should go for decades,

1351
01:52:54,060 --> 01:52:56,280
or should a document that's helped guide us for decades.

1352
01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:59,540
So I just want to say I appreciate the patience from council.

1353
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:04,160
So the next part, let's talk about it as the rezoning strategy.

1354
01:53:05,620 --> 01:53:07,440
So you remember we have three focus areas,

1355
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:10,140
and sort of the initial concept has been

1356
01:53:10,140 --> 01:53:13,760
we'll rezone all the properties within those focus areas.

1357
01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:17,160
Well, we've been getting some feedback from the community

1358
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:25,880
that maybe that's not entirely, some people are concerned, I'll put it to you that way, and we

1359
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:31,080
do our best to listen to the community and hear what they have to say, so we are going to pivot

1360
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:36,460
just a little bit on that strategy. So what we're going to do now, based on concerns and then staff

1361
01:53:36,460 --> 01:53:43,920
recognition that the extensive outreach we've had so far, maybe this rezoning residential

1362
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:51,140
properties deserves a little bit more specific outreach. So we're going to take vision 43 and do a

1363
01:53:51,140 --> 01:53:56,840
rezoning process in a phased approach. So we're going to start with, we're essentially at this point

1364
01:53:56,840 --> 01:54:03,820
going to do two phases. Phase one is going to focus on those primarily commercial, commercially

1365
01:54:03,820 --> 01:54:08,420
zoned properties in the corridor right now within the focus series. I'm going to give you guys some

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01:54:08,420 --> 01:54:16,020
here in a minute. A few of the properties will be residentially zoned. Most of those are already

1367
01:54:16,020 --> 01:54:21,400
acting as commercial properties. However, that happened over the years. We're not sure it did,

1368
01:54:21,540 --> 01:54:26,140
so we're going to clean that up. But most of these are already zoned commercial properties.

1369
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:33,180
That'll be phase one. And then phase two, we'll go back and look at residential properties within

1370
01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:37,160
the focus areas. I think that's where a lot of the concern has been coming from some of the

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01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:42,500
community is like, hey, wait a minute, like, we don't understand how this is going to affect us,

1372
01:54:42,780 --> 01:54:48,560
we are concerned, and so we hear those concerns and don't want to just rush through a process.

1373
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:57,060
So the other part that this will allow us to do, taking this phase to approach what I envision

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01:54:58,120 --> 01:54:59,980
is inviting each of the...

1375
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:07,960
Proper residential property owners within the focus areas to come meet with us, probably in smaller groups or one big group of not sure.

1376
01:55:08,620 --> 01:55:16,300
And really discuss their concerns, what reasoning would look like, what could happen, you know, what sort of worst case for them.

1377
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:21,780
And really talk through that with them, so that they have a level of comfort if we do reason on their property.

1378
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:26,420
I think that we owe them the respect to do that, and we hear those concerns.

1379
01:55:26,420 --> 01:55:28,620
So this is why we're kind of pumping the brakes

1380
01:55:28,620 --> 01:55:30,880
and wanting to take a phased approach.

1381
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:34,740
Councillor Grunner has a question for you.

1382
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:39,020
Yeah, from a homeowner's point of view,

1383
01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:41,080
in a property that's going to be resowned,

1384
01:55:41,740 --> 01:55:44,520
is that likely to increase or decrease the value of this property?

1385
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:48,700
Well, you know, I honestly might amateur opinion

1386
01:55:48,700 --> 01:55:50,580
about that, or I assume a professional planner,

1387
01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:51,900
but I'm not an agent.

1388
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,640
I mean, Kevin has some hurt.

1389
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:55,240
Councillor Bonney has some thoughts.

1390
01:55:55,820 --> 01:56:02,260
I think when you open up the opportunities on a property, it probably has an added value.

1391
01:56:02,740 --> 01:56:08,220
If you can only build a home there today, it has one value if you can do five or six different

1392
01:56:08,220 --> 01:56:08,540
things.

1393
01:56:08,660 --> 01:56:13,340
Maybe that increases the value, but again, that's just my opinion, I don't know if Councillor Bonney

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01:56:13,340 --> 01:56:14,620
is in a professional realtor.

1395
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,680
Professional opinion, it definitely increases it, I mean it may be valuable to someone

1396
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:24,620
to have a home where their neighbors aren't going to develop something larger, but in general,

1397
01:56:24,620 --> 01:56:29,140
it is worth more to be able to open it up and on market much more valuable.

1398
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:30,320
Thank you.

1399
01:56:30,580 --> 01:56:39,340
And one other comment to that is that question has been asked of me recently at the Robin

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01:56:39,340 --> 01:56:46,140
with Neighbor Dissociation in the last week, and I think there's a little bit of distrust

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01:56:46,140 --> 01:56:49,100
when we give the answer of, oh it'll increase the value of your property.

1402
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:53,360
And I think we want to be able to sit down and show someone that that's the case versus

1403
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:56,460
just sort of off the cuff say sure it's going to increase the value for property.

1404
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:02,240
We want to assure them we're not out trying to take value for anyone and I think again

1405
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:06,320
it's not that you'll see on the map we're not talking about hundreds and hundreds of

1406
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:10,720
residential properties and I also don't think those would be the properties that would

1407
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:17,800
get developed first so I think we're okay if we just kind of slow that part down and

1408
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:21,040
move forward with that phase one of really getting at those commercial properties.

1409
01:57:21,540 --> 01:57:25,020
Yeah, but for most owners of properties, they're concerned with their properties.

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01:57:25,220 --> 01:57:26,040
That's 100%.

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01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:27,980
100% correct.

1412
01:57:28,340 --> 01:57:31,820
And we want to be able to hear those and assure them what we know.

1413
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:35,960
And there are some hard truths in there as well.

1414
01:57:36,140 --> 01:57:36,380
Yes.

1415
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:41,680
If your property is resumed, your neighbor might do something different than a single family home.

1416
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:44,780
Or maybe they'll add an ADU that could have a small business.

1417
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:45,680
I don't know.

1418
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:47,700
We haven't really sussed that part out.

1419
01:57:47,700 --> 01:57:53,380
The reason we got to this phasing approach was that we had already been in discussion internally

1420
01:57:53,380 --> 01:57:57,500
and with our consulting firm and even counselor break was in on some of these conversations

1421
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:04,080
about how do we, we've got two different things going on here, we have commercial properties

1422
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:07,920
that are adjacent to the highway and then we have some residential properties that are not.

1423
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:17,600
The same zone for those properties is probably not appropriate, one probably needs to be a

1424
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:22,480
and sort of two different zones or sub zones

1425
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:23,680
or how do we want to call it.

1426
01:58:24,060 --> 01:58:26,860
So it kind of made sense as the feedback kept coming in.

1427
01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:30,180
Yeah, let's just tackle the first, let's phase it

1428
01:58:30,180 --> 01:58:32,060
and tackle the commercial first.

1429
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:36,600
I'll give us time to talk to folks and address the concerns.

1430
01:58:37,220 --> 01:58:37,660
Thank you.

1431
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:38,400
Yeah, absolutely.

1432
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:44,200
Uh, I think, oh, here we go.

1433
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,260
Oh, I did them already, didn't I?

1434
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:46,860
I'll reach.

1435
01:58:48,700 --> 01:58:49,640
Okay, yeah, here we go.

1436
01:58:50,260 --> 01:58:54,420
So the language on my left, I suppose we are left as well.

1437
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,100
The language on the left is actually consistent

1438
01:58:57,100 --> 01:58:58,540
through the next three slides.

1439
01:58:59,660 --> 01:59:02,800
What you're looking at are the focus areas outlined in red,

1440
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,140
and the blue shade are the properties

1441
01:59:06,140 --> 01:59:08,900
that we would intend to rezone in phase one.

1442
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,900
Almost all of those are commercial properties today.

1443
01:59:12,900 --> 01:59:19,720
Again, there are a few lingering residential properties in there, but primarily these are commercially

1444
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:20,480
zoned properties.

1445
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:29,380
This is a focus area one, I'm trying to, I don't have a cursor, but yeah, Walmart's down

1446
01:59:29,380 --> 01:59:34,820
there toward the bottom of the screen, the big square white box there, all the way up to

1447
01:59:34,820 --> 01:59:36,620
the burgerville area at the top of the screen.

1448
01:59:36,700 --> 01:59:39,640
So that would be phase one in focus area one.

1449
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:43,640
I'm going to go through the next two maps as well.

1450
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:45,620
Councillor Breit has a question.

1451
01:59:45,860 --> 01:59:46,280
Oh, I'm sorry.

1452
01:59:47,860 --> 01:59:55,500
Just I think that the concern is going to be more with the properties that are just outside

1453
01:59:55,500 --> 01:59:59,820
the focus areas that are residential, more so even then residential.

1454
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,540
Properties that that could be resound, especially as we've looked at this many of these don't act as residential properties anyway.

1455
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:24,560
So I'm hopeful that with the outreach that we can also set up time to talk, maybe with some of those adjacent property owners, too, so they can get kind of a sense of what might happen next door to them or in front of them.

1456
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:30,100
Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I'm glad you brought that up. How we get at that,

1457
02:00:30,340 --> 02:00:35,320
do we have everyone come together or do we separate that? We can kind of work that out through

1458
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:39,600
the process, but I think that's a really good point. Thank you for bringing that up. I've got to know.

1459
02:00:41,020 --> 02:00:45,820
So here's Focus Area 2, sort of the center of the screen, the point of that middle triangle is the

1460
02:00:45,820 --> 02:00:52,480
old-bolt and firehouse, just to give you some context of where we're at. And you can see we've taken

1461
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:56,520
all those residential properties out of the phase one approach.

1462
02:00:57,300 --> 02:01:00,340
The focus area boundaries have all stayed the same.

1463
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:04,140
And so we're just removing those residential properties

1464
02:01:04,140 --> 02:01:05,340
for the most part.

1465
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:09,520
And then focus area three, bottom of the screen is I205.

1466
02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:13,240
You can see the market of choice kind of in the middle there

1467
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:16,840
with the library not too far north of Burnt Street.

1468
02:01:17,500 --> 02:01:22,460
So again, we've removed quite a few residential properties

1469
02:01:22,460 --> 02:01:35,460
off of the west side or to our left or phase one? Councillor Bonnetton. Was the Bolton Firehouse

1470
02:01:35,460 --> 02:01:42,440
removed on purpose? Not as it was not blue. Has it always been removed? It's blue. Is it new?

1471
02:01:42,700 --> 02:01:49,520
Oh, okay. The only thing that we all want to do. Never mind, my bad. Sorry. I had a moment of panic

1472
02:01:53,400 --> 02:02:03,600
So that's our phase approach, I'll pause here and certainly take issues, concerns, questions of council.

1473
02:02:09,220 --> 02:02:11,500
I will keep going and feel free to stop me.

1474
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:12,340
Can you continue?

1475
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:25,440
So the next and last thing I have for you tonight is our strategic pivot.

1476
02:02:28,340 --> 02:02:30,800
So previously I've come to you with policy questions.

1477
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:37,000
And then we talked about pros and cons, and there were some questions on those questions, right, and that's perfectly normal.

1478
02:02:37,700 --> 02:02:39,640
So we're going to pivot a little bit on this.

1479
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:45,280
And what we're going to do is, because it's a fairly time consuming process to go through,

1480
02:02:45,780 --> 02:02:49,360
is we're going to sort of bake the cake a little bit more before we bring it back to you.

1481
02:02:49,380 --> 02:02:56,040
And what I mean by that is we're going to take out the draft code, I'll show you here in a moment.

1482
02:02:56,040 --> 02:03:05,280
And we're going to, we're going to go through, and we are going to take it to our technical advisory committee, and our project working group both in November.

1483
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:08,160
We're going to go to some neighborhood associations in January.

1484
02:03:08,900 --> 02:03:11,060
We're going to have open houses in January and February.

1485
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:16,300
And at some point, well, then we'll start our work sessions with planning commission.

1486
02:03:16,720 --> 02:03:21,740
So what we're going to do is take more and more of the community feedback specifically about that draft code.

1487
02:03:21,740 --> 02:03:26,240
I envision those open houses being big round tables where we're kind of old school planning,

1488
02:03:26,260 --> 02:03:31,140
talking about what the code means, and we're going to bring you back a sort of some higher

1489
02:03:31,140 --> 02:03:36,840
level questions, but we're going to be much further down the road and that way you guys as a council

1490
02:03:36,840 --> 02:03:42,340
won't have to get quite down in the minutiae. We're going to let the community and our advisory groups

1491
02:03:42,340 --> 02:03:50,200
kind of vacate a little bit. You'll still get all the time you want with the code, but we feel like we

1492
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:54,260
can be a little bit more effective and efficient that way and remove some of that noise

1493
02:03:54,260 --> 02:03:58,020
so you can see a little bit more of a finished product and then let's feed back from

1494
02:03:58,020 --> 02:03:58,620
there.

1495
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:04,280
And the issues get further, some vetting for the community too, so it's not like us as five

1496
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:09,220
city counselors making these seemingly pretty big decisions, get some public feedback on

1497
02:04:09,220 --> 02:04:09,440
that.

1498
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:12,500
So when it comes to us, we already kind of know where the public stands on it.

1499
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:12,920
That's great.

1500
02:04:13,060 --> 02:04:14,900
Yeah, that's exactly what we're trying to do.

1501
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:19,140
When we realized how long it was going to take to move through those, it just seemed like

1502
02:04:19,140 --> 02:04:24,920
really onerous for Council, we'll take on that work and work with the community and bring

1503
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:26,300
something back.

1504
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,120
Council Brighk has a piece of feedback?

1505
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:32,540
As you know, I'm really impatient for all of this to happen.

1506
02:04:33,060 --> 02:04:42,660
What I understand, though, is by going through this process and drafting the code, then when

1507
02:04:42,660 --> 02:04:49,120
we do finally approve Vision 43 right after that, the next developer that comes in

1508
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:54,820
wants to do something will be under the new code because it will all be kind of rolled in together.

1509
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:59,980
So, if we approved the vision this month or next month.

1510
02:05:00,750 --> 02:05:06,810
Anybody that came in between now and when all the code was written would still be under the old rules?

1511
02:05:08,030 --> 02:05:16,330
And I also think by doing this, especially the community outreach, people are going to have a much better understanding of what that is.

1512
02:05:16,590 --> 02:05:24,630
If we just say, the code's going to change, we'll talk about that later, then they have a lot of unease. They just, they don't know what to expect.

1513
02:05:24,630 --> 02:05:29,570
By going through this process with the code, I think we're going to end up with a really great product

1514
02:05:30,170 --> 02:05:36,410
That people will understand and will be excited about hopefully as excited as I am.

1515
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:37,770
Yeah, I appreciate you saying.

1516
02:05:37,870 --> 02:05:43,490
I think that's exactly kind of the approach we're going to that shift that pivot that we're going to take is

1517
02:05:43,490 --> 02:05:49,830
Let's let this get vetted more through our both our advisory groups, but also our community

1518
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:52,490
And I think the community will feel more comfortable.

1519
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:55,010
Now, does that mean every person's going to love it?

1520
02:05:55,130 --> 02:05:55,530
Of course not.

1521
02:05:55,690 --> 02:05:56,670
We know how this works.

1522
02:05:57,110 --> 02:05:58,290
That's not going to happen.

1523
02:05:58,930 --> 02:06:01,030
But I think it will address a lot of concerns

1524
02:06:01,030 --> 02:06:03,610
as we move through that process in that manner.

1525
02:06:04,570 --> 02:06:07,710
Again, this is also part of why we've extended that contract

1526
02:06:07,710 --> 02:06:09,070
and why we've extended the timeline.

1527
02:06:10,750 --> 02:06:14,030
And I feel like it doesn't really extend the timeline.

1528
02:06:14,730 --> 02:06:16,850
Because as I said, if the code hasn't changed,

1529
02:06:17,310 --> 02:06:19,090
somebody could come in with a project

1530
02:06:19,090 --> 02:06:22,430
before we change the code and they're going under the old rules.

1531
02:06:22,770 --> 02:06:26,430
That's right, and just as an FYI to Council, I'm sure you know this, but a reminder,

1532
02:06:26,750 --> 02:06:30,790
if someone applies for a project today, today's code is what applies to their application,

1533
02:06:31,410 --> 02:06:33,910
even if tomorrow the code was changed.

1534
02:06:34,930 --> 02:06:41,010
So yeah, until the code is officially adopted, and then there's a 35 day notification to the state

1535
02:06:41,010 --> 02:06:47,010
once that clears, the code is active and live, so yeah, there's still some waiting time there,

1536
02:06:47,010 --> 02:06:53,270
But I think this will get a better product and it will allow council to see something a little

1537
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:58,170
clear and not have to kind of load around at 30,000 feet answering 15 different questions.

1538
02:06:58,730 --> 02:07:02,310
I think we can get there without putting you through that torture as a process.

1539
02:07:03,150 --> 02:07:06,850
That is our goal with how we're that that's the pivot that we're talking about.

1540
02:07:10,150 --> 02:07:16,150
And then while we're still on that, this is again the last part of it here, just a couple

1541
02:07:16,150 --> 02:07:21,090
things. There's a lot of different policy questions and thoughts and discussion about the code.

1542
02:07:21,570 --> 02:07:26,770
This is just two slides of things that are being discussed, topics that are being discussed with

1543
02:07:26,770 --> 02:07:34,270
the consultant, internally, things like limiting drive-through uses or expansions and remodels of

1544
02:07:34,270 --> 02:07:41,290
existing structures. Do they get exemptions or not? Hight limits adjacent to residential zones.

1545
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:45,810
We all know that's important. Ensuring the massing of buildings doesn't create sort of

1546
02:07:45,810 --> 02:07:51,750
that can in our tunnel effect, and exceptions process, do we have, will we have an exceptions

1547
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:52,630
process?

1548
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:58,810
Prioritizing pedestrian access to and through sites, fearful consideration of what is an

1549
02:07:58,810 --> 02:08:05,530
allowed year, what is an allowed use near residential areas and properties we obviously have

1550
02:08:05,530 --> 02:08:09,410
a fairly hot topic with a car wash application right now.

1551
02:08:09,970 --> 02:08:15,470
So, we want to make sure the community has given their opinions about what those would be,

1552
02:08:15,470 --> 02:08:19,450
what allowed users those would be, can we get every single one of them? Of course not.

1553
02:08:19,810 --> 02:08:23,930
We want to make sure that we are out getting those answers. And then obviously creating

1554
02:08:23,930 --> 02:08:30,530
enough, creating enough flexibility that development happens, but with our community's vision,

1555
02:08:30,910 --> 02:08:37,250
not necessarily just a developer's vision. So it's a much like Councillor Bright said,

1556
02:08:37,370 --> 02:08:42,050
we all want this done, we've wanted this done, we can't wait till it's done. But the reality

1557
02:08:42,050 --> 02:08:46,770
of it is sometimes we have to slow down back up, listen to the community that we said we

1558
02:08:46,770 --> 02:08:50,290
are going to listen to anyway and then try and redirect a little bit.

1559
02:08:50,450 --> 02:08:51,590
So that's where we're at.

1560
02:08:51,810 --> 02:08:57,970
Those are my four pieces for you tonight and I'm happy to answer any questions or concerns

1561
02:08:57,970 --> 02:08:59,170
that you might have.

1562
02:08:59,650 --> 02:09:05,410
Just one question on a related topic that Erborneud district feasibility study, any updates

1563
02:09:05,410 --> 02:09:09,810
on that can, you know, now that we've delayed the timeline on this maybe it gives some

1564
02:09:09,810 --> 02:09:12,630
to synchronize the two potential efforts.

1565
02:09:13,210 --> 02:09:18,310
Yes, so we received Steve, our community development director is the project manager on that,

1566
02:09:18,450 --> 02:09:26,830
but we did receive an email from the consultants earlier this week, and they're looking

1567
02:09:28,530 --> 02:09:32,110
at these kind of analyzing the scope right now and we're expecting some feedback.

1568
02:09:32,530 --> 02:09:35,450
I think this week, so that process is moving forward.

1569
02:09:35,530 --> 02:09:39,770
We had a little bit of a pause there on our end, but it looks like we're moving

1570
02:09:39,770 --> 02:09:45,070
I think there's something there with the changing the zoning and then having an urban

1571
02:09:45,070 --> 02:09:49,930
dual district there in case development happens to capture those increasing the

1572
02:09:49,930 --> 02:09:53,210
accessibility there for this infrastructure and everything for the planet could help

1573
02:09:53,210 --> 02:09:56,650
fund vision 43 plan implementation even down the line.

1574
02:09:56,670 --> 02:09:59,970
I think it's a very key and important piece to eventually have a

1575
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:06,300
Thank you for the update. We'll look forward to hearing more about that in the future. Any other questions?

1576
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:14,020
From the council. I also just got to thank you for your even Stephen Lynn for all your work in the community centered approach you're taking to this.

1577
02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:22,140
I think is awesome. It's really feels like this community and foreign plan and we'll be when it gets adopted in a few months.

1578
02:10:22,140 --> 02:10:26,480
Even more, so now that we're taking a few extra months to go back out to the community,

1579
02:10:26,980 --> 02:10:30,180
this planning department listens to the community, I know that about them.

1580
02:10:30,980 --> 02:10:32,720
So, Councillor Groner, did you have a comment there?

1581
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:33,700
Yes, thank you.

1582
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:37,900
I see no other from closing comments.

1583
02:10:38,660 --> 02:10:43,080
Last thing, just next steps, so I guess this will, will this not come back to us for a while

1584
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:44,740
as you go out and to do that.

1585
02:10:45,400 --> 02:10:50,720
I think I'd like to bring you just a small, like a 15-minute update, maybe in the next two to three

1586
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:56,660
just to keep you informed and not have such big gaps in briefings. Nothing major, but let

1587
02:10:56,660 --> 02:11:00,140
you know, we're on track, you know, kind of generally what we're hearing, I think that would

1588
02:11:00,140 --> 02:11:05,260
be, you know, something that we could probably pull off pretty easily, and I just want

1589
02:11:05,260 --> 02:11:06,760
to make sure Councils informed.

1590
02:11:08,780 --> 02:11:10,800
So yeah, that's, that's kind of my thought process.

1591
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:17,240
So, that sounds great. I see no other comments from the Council. I see no other comments

1592
02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:19,180
from the council at this late hour.

1593
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:20,900
So I will let you go.

1594
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:22,100
Thank you for your time.

1595
02:11:22,180 --> 02:11:23,180
Thank you, Chris.

1596
02:11:24,020 --> 02:11:30,700
And Steve Lynn, we will move on to the final item on the agenda

1597
02:11:30,700 --> 02:11:31,780
and believe it or not.

1598
02:11:31,900 --> 02:11:34,700
We are actually ahead of schedule for the agenda.

1599
02:11:34,860 --> 02:11:38,200
It's 823 and we were scheduled to get it this at 850.

1600
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:42,900
So Mr. Williams, you always have some great report.

1601
02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:44,240
So thank you, Mayor.

1602
02:11:44,340 --> 02:11:44,880
Take it away.

1603
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:48,260
But I did hear you say this is late hour, so I will keep it short.

1604
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:52,260
As always, starting with your upcoming meeting calendar,

1605
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:56,980
this is your last session in October.

1606
02:11:57,740 --> 02:12:02,840
We have three meetings scheduled in three regular meetings where

1607
02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:07,260
work sessions scheduled in November, work session on November 4th.

1608
02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:10,120
Planning will be back talking about the Metro Town Center boundaries.

1609
02:12:10,260 --> 02:12:12,740
We'll be explaining what those are, why they're important,

1610
02:12:12,740 --> 02:12:21,080
and how you can think about them, and also an update on the operations complex design and funding.

1611
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:26,460
We're doing a lot of work on the funding piece of that, really lately, and we very much

1612
02:12:26,460 --> 02:12:33,060
want to have clear council direction and community awareness of where we are. The November 11th meeting

1613
02:12:33,060 --> 02:12:40,940
is cancelled because that is Veterans Day Day off for the city. Instead, the business meeting will be

1614
02:12:40,940 --> 02:12:46,140
November 18th, that'll be a special meeting and we have a number of things on that topic,

1615
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:52,120
including adoption of the Waterfront Plan, as we talked about earlier. We also have a special

1616
02:12:52,120 --> 02:12:59,020
meeting scheduled November 17th, this is the morning meeting, the next follow-up meeting on the

1617
02:12:59,020 --> 02:13:06,140
budget priorities and strategic plan work, which I talked a little bit last week. We are working on

1618
02:13:06,140 --> 02:13:12,580
a draft plan is directed by Council and we will have a draft of that out for your consideration

1619
02:13:12,580 --> 02:13:17,820
well in advance of the 17th. So we're excited about doing all that work and then as I

1620
02:13:17,820 --> 02:13:25,240
always say this time of year, only two regular meetings left for 2025. So you've worked hard all

1621
02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:31,060
your long way of a few more big things to do. I also enjoyed the Metro Mix with this afternoon.

1622
02:13:31,060 --> 02:13:38,020
I mean, it's specific pitches to specific metro department directors about things that are going on in Westland.

1623
02:13:38,620 --> 02:13:43,520
And it's my belief that everything you just heard about tonight is squarely in the wheelhouse of Metro.

1624
02:13:43,780 --> 02:13:51,660
So I've made a case, as I'm sure some of you did, for Metro interest in Highway 43, including infrastructure improvements in the future.

1625
02:13:51,900 --> 02:13:59,140
There's a possibility to be a new transportation bond floated in the region within the next five years.

1626
02:13:59,140 --> 02:14:09,900
Westland needs to be on the list of projects that would be part of that we were last time we should be again and with the ambitious work that you are doing that's grounded in the community

1627
02:14:09,900 --> 02:14:18,380
I think we have a great chance to be included in consideration so that we can turn highway 43 into something that we can really be proud of so we should continue to advocate for that

1628
02:14:19,020 --> 02:14:23,900
even more squarely connected to Metro's goals is the waterfront project and the

1629
02:14:23,900 --> 02:14:31,400
environmental and cultural work that is happening in that plan or that needs to happen after the vision is adopted.

1630
02:14:32,060 --> 02:14:39,060
I think we have so many potential overlaps with Metro that we should just be having a mixture with them every week because sort of my plan.

1631
02:14:39,340 --> 02:14:48,220
But they rejected that plan but maybe some periodic event where we really we really make sure to meet with them.

1632
02:14:48,220 --> 02:14:54,020
And having our district counselor be from Westland and so and familiar with the work happening

1633
02:14:54,020 --> 02:14:58,220
here and involved is a huge advantage and opportunity for us right now.

1634
02:14:58,220 --> 02:14:59,920
uh... we are the only clock

1635
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,720
Members County Community that has that, so let's take advantage of Councillor Lewis's passion for

1636
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:11,140
what's happening in Westland and make use of it. So I just think it's all very exciting.

1637
02:15:12,740 --> 02:15:19,540
On the upcoming calendar, we have an AP meeting on Thursday night that we Councillor Bonnet and I will

1638
02:15:19,540 --> 02:15:26,360
be attending, I believe, hopefully we have a quorum of any P members at that meeting. On the city

1639
02:15:26,360 --> 02:15:33,320
calendar, I noticed something, how often do you have a chance to be in a meeting with a Nobel

1640
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:39,900
peace prize winner? The library's author talked tomorrow is Malalo, you suffice, you

1641
02:15:39,900 --> 02:15:48,460
suffice, I, sorry, and talking about her new book, and I think it's a pretty cool opportunity

1642
02:15:48,460 --> 02:15:52,240
for a clock tomorrow, if you want to join, you can find information on the city's calendar.

1643
02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:56,020
That is super cool, library is busy with Comic Con.

1644
02:15:56,320 --> 02:16:01,080
We heard earlier today about the fall forest fall festival in the forest.

1645
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:05,040
And our staff did an amazing work on that from multiple departments.

1646
02:16:06,300 --> 02:16:08,260
And I appreciate all of that.

1647
02:16:08,260 --> 02:16:13,500
Also in the library vein, still time to participate in the libraries strategic planning work.

1648
02:16:13,720 --> 02:16:16,560
That was that comment period is open till November 4th.

1649
02:16:16,620 --> 02:16:21,360
And you can find information on the city's website on that as well.

1650
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:31,780
So speaking of the library, as you know, I've been participating in a county wide library district task force that was convened by the county to think about the future of our library system.

1651
02:16:32,220 --> 02:16:41,900
As we are heading towards 20 years from the current agreement, folks are thinking about what is the future of our library system is our funding adequate.

1652
02:16:41,900 --> 02:16:57,500
How is funding a divvied around the county by the various people that pay the the levy work is happening on that and I think enough is happening now that at some point in the next few months would be good to have a council topic on this

1653
02:16:57,500 --> 02:17:07,700
We don't tend to talk much in this room about the about library county services and funding and I think it would probably be good to get us up to speed on that

1654
02:17:07,700 --> 02:17:13,200
have a conversation so that you can know what the county is thinking about. The reason

1655
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:18,440
this is important is there are a lot of people around the county thinking of potentially

1656
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:25,860
a major restructuring of the way county library services are provided and what the funding for

1657
02:17:25,860 --> 02:17:32,520
those services are which would be pretty complex and I think it would be good to put a little

1658
02:17:32,520 --> 02:17:36,740
marker and get some counsel feedback early on this process.

1659
02:17:36,940 --> 02:17:38,920
So the next couple of months, probably early in the new year,

1660
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:40,640
we'll think about something like that.

1661
02:17:40,860 --> 02:17:42,980
If you're interested, presuming you're interested.

1662
02:17:45,580 --> 02:17:51,340
That is, I think most of what I had, I will be at the ICMA Conference,

1663
02:17:51,580 --> 02:17:56,220
my national professional association, leaving Friday and back next Wednesday evening.

1664
02:17:57,900 --> 02:17:59,920
So you know who to contact and while I'm away,

1665
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:04,440
I will be working those days, but just a little less responsive than usual.

1666
02:18:05,860 --> 02:18:09,660
So, I wish you the joy of the season, and we'll see you in November.

1667
02:18:10,780 --> 02:18:11,440
Sounds good.

1668
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:17,100
And I heard to the great fine on LinkedIn that you will be speaking at the conference on a particular topic.

1669
02:18:17,180 --> 02:18:19,060
I am speaking very excited.

1670
02:18:19,220 --> 02:18:24,660
My predecessor, we're talking about creative community outreach and how you reach community in new ways.

1671
02:18:24,860 --> 02:18:25,440
So it's going to be fun.

1672
02:18:26,340 --> 02:18:26,360
Awesome.

1673
02:18:26,360 --> 02:18:42,280
Well, best of luck and best wishes to Mr. Gabriella Lados as well as always, and have fun at the conference, and learn a lot, and we will see everybody in November, happy Halloween, everybody, and very early happy Halloween from the Western City Council.

1674
02:18:42,660 --> 02:18:43,320
We're adjourned.