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[0:00] meeting, order, can we do roll call, please? Mayor Branson. Mayor Judge Smith. Commissioner Mr. Smith.
[0:08] Here. Commissioner Navier. Here. Commissioner Totsau. Here. We have more.
[0:14] Okay, we all stand for the occasion of pledge.
[0:19] Thank you. Thank you for the strength. Thank you for the ability to sum a lot of sales here together.
[0:24] Your presence and our candidates will help us to govern and guide our sales meeting according to your divine will and purpose and duties.
[0:30] Thank you,
[0:33] ladies and gentlemen.
[0:35] I'm gonna say thank you for the demand.
[0:39] I'm just saying one edition.
[0:41] I got an invisible will you look into this as far off.
[0:48] Thanks to welcome everyone out to our September 16 meeting.
[0:55] This time we have an opportunity for the public to address the Commission on the
[1:01] Can you read the forum statement, please?
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[1:13] There's a three-minute time-let for a public comment.
[1:15] Please adhere to the city's forum law,
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[1:22] The city's charter provides a commission
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[1:45] a meeting in the committee or a few to a bit
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[2:04] Thank you.
[2:06] At this time, again, the opportunity for the public to address commission, we do have one
[2:12] Carolyn Hardy.
[2:21] Thank you.
[2:21] Carolyn Hardy's 40th, 30th, was 18th Street, 617, 19th, was 20th Street.
[2:28] This evening, I'm coming once again to ask that the commission's and mayor, please
[2:38] maintain the military at 7.9 as it was last year, and also serve as a reminder that even though
[2:50] the military was reduced, lowered, I should say lowered, that the tax bills were higher last
[2:59] year, and they will be higher again this year, because as I stated,
[3:06] and unfortunately you
[3:07] on some of you missed the presentation by the representative from the Puppet Appraisal's office.
[3:13] Last week,
[3:17] the assess value of our home property values is the driving force of why tax bills are the way that they are.
[3:27] Yes, granted the military helps some, but at the end of the day, it's based on the value of the property.
[3:33] and we all know that the value of properties nowhere is going down. They're going up.
[3:40] And I would appreciate as a property owner of three separate properties.
[3:47] I would appreciate if you would maintain the military at 7.9.
[3:52] Thank you.
[3:54] Thank you. The opportunity for the public to address the commission is now closed.
[3:59] We'll move on to item number six resolution under consent.
[4:05] a resolution the city comes to the city was part of Florida containing the budget hearing
[4:09] from September 3rd, 2020, to September 16th, 2020, 6th, and 6th, and 6th, and 6th,
[4:15] rescheduled in the second final blank hearing day.
[4:17] Authorised in the administration to take a necessary and expediting action, providing for
[4:22] adoption and representation of an effective date.
[4:26] Thank you.
[4:31] Yes.
[4:33] Um, second for this question.
[4:37] It's motioned in second.
[4:39] Um, discussion.
[4:41] Yes.
[4:42] Um, once it's, once it's get, um, approved.
[4:47] I'm going to go right into the budget.
[4:53] I'm not understanding your question.
[4:55] Can you ask it again, please?
[4:58] Not the ones.
[5:00] This resolution gets approved. Are we going to write into the continuing discussion about budget?
[5:11] If I may, this after this one to the next item, which is military, while you have already considered
[5:19] the military in abundance of caution, we want you to adopt that military, because it is required to make sure
[5:27] both the budget and the milliderate is adopted at the same mean. So we have to reconsider that,
[5:34] which is item number 7 and then we go to the budget ordinance.
[5:42] Man, yes. I'm not understanding why this resolution is coming before now because we're here at this
[5:48] meeting on September 16th at 6 p.m. So I need to understand why this resolution before is now we're here
[5:57] the meeting. So the way that I understood it is authorizing this meeting for tonight at
[6:02] 16, that was all re-noticed without it being approved by the Commission.
[6:08] Okay, if I may. Yes. This resolution is more than just that. If you look at back up on
[6:14] the item,
[6:17] having the meeting we had last time, state and I'm going to please can
[6:22] and give more opinion on this, we have to consider the state,
[6:26] I connect the state, Department of Revenue.
[6:30] It is actually a violation to not adopt both the resolution
[6:36] and the military that is in the meeting.
[6:39] To avoid in the attachments you have from the Department of Revenue,
[6:43] to avoid a violation.
[6:45] Is it a manager? Can you put that on the thing?
[6:49] No, it's an attack. It's in your pocket.
[6:51] Yeah, I don't have a computer, it's not, I'm writing it right now. Can you put it on the screen?
[7:00] It's staff can, we can try to pop what I can go ahead and continue to stuff.
[7:04] Well, for full transparency list from the screen, so I could have a line of software that you're talking about.
[7:09] Okay, the email, if you click on for those who can, if you click a second exhibit from the Department of Revenue,
[7:19] To allow, to avoid receiving notice of train violation, you may consider it's telling us to
[7:28] continue today from last time, and that have a date for the meeting.
[7:34] So, your resolution, you have before, you know, not only speaks to continuing today, it's
[7:39] scheduling the final jet hearing for September 28th is part of the section of a solution
[7:46] you have.
[7:52] So if you look into the resolution you see also scheduling the final budget hearing
[7:58] more the 28th which is on at 6th. Because we have to use this to continue.
[8:11] So, 8.1 is a continuation of the here and for the budget meetings
[8:20] on the agenda.
[8:24] 8.1 is a continuation of the meeting we had, and so we can want to use that opportunity now.
[8:32] Not only to continue, but also address some of the questions the last meeting.
[8:58] Is it a manager?
[9:01] No, okay.
[9:02] No, I didn't question.
[9:04] Go ahead.
[9:05] No, the thing that is that, you know, before or before, you set the date for the incident city manager.
[9:14] You know, it's good for you.
[9:16] For once you know, we have, we can't risk everything.
[9:19] According to state of Florida,
[9:24] It's imperative for you to contact us the what date that we've heard and even the time.
[9:31] Because we'll try to reach this in one hour when you know that a lot of questions that we had on
[9:36] conference before we can even decide, you know, adopt the, you know, talk about today.
[9:43] Today is already already scheduled today.
[9:45] Prove this by resolution.
[9:48] You're supposed to be by resolution.
[9:50] So today is supposed to be when we meet for the second, but we use it to continue the last meeting, otherwise.
[10:00] As you become found in violation of the state study, by not adopt both. So, because you have today,
[10:10] so we decided to use today for that day. The continue, because the states say, we are
[10:29] All right, know you cannot, because then you, for the next meeting, you have to also
[10:36] with place the notice, we cannot place the notice for a secondary, for a final hearing,
[10:41] on to finish this one, and to place the notice is the publication in the newspaper.
[10:48] And that publication has to, before the application has to happen, we have to finish this meeting.
[10:54] And that publication will now happen after we finish this meeting, and then the notice in the
[11:05] Any other questions on item number one?
[11:08] For this item also, I have scheduled conflict for the 28.
[11:19] So that's not going to be consistent for me.
[11:22] Okay, the news that is newspaper will have to be.
[11:25] It's going to be challenge for us to get a news report to move.
[11:29] But what will be the date?
[11:30] Then we're going to set it clear out the run and start seeing the news report works.
[11:35] They may have a challenge.
[11:36] For a quarter to the email says it can be done in two days, right?
[11:43] No, that's referring to this mean.
[11:46] The one for that has to be posted two to five, five to days before the next meeting.
[11:54] So I have to give it no, not this one.
[11:57] The one you really need this email is this mean is for this meeting we have it.
[12:02] That has already been posted.
[12:03] The next one, the next meeting for the Tensha we had in 2008, but let's discuss that, is the
[12:11] where they said, at the hearing you would re-adopt the related and then the you would then
[12:17] proceed with the normal process for the advertising risk of final hearing.
[12:23] The normal process for the final hearing is worked to the five before the meeting.
[12:29] So we need the time, we need the time to be able to advertise that, but in the news for it.
[12:36] Now, news reports are as dare what I mean, that you have to let them know in advance.
[12:41] So that advance gave us the 28th.
[12:45] That's why we're making it the 20th.
[12:47] Otherwise, we may not be able to do it on another day, however.
[12:51] If you change the day, it's going to run and try to find out if another day, 29th, but you can't go past that.
[12:58] three days we have and we're already 30 years well from if we do if we
[13:06] 30 it depends on the paper I've in that day they may not have that day so
[13:10] state we have to do it our choice is here is to be able to do it the 28
[13:19] 2090 the result went to the 28 because this paper has a restriction and that
[13:24] destruction through us on the 28th.
[13:26] First lecture, they have to have it yesterday, or by some days, to be able to read for
[13:33] the 28th.
[13:35] The day that we had to have it back, you read it, it reserved it only made the 28th.
[13:42] So we'll push in it if we said another date.
[13:45] Now, it's up to them, because who doesn't, is it what they say, display it, right?
[13:51] You know, they're both the display that have to be adjacent to each other, so it's a question of placement and meeting the Sunson or deadlines for that.
[14:01] But today's 16, so you have more than one each?
[14:04] Oh no, the newspaper they want their stuff, a particular time on a particular day.
[14:09] And they do not move. That's why we're stuck with that.
[14:13] You can care with us. If you tell another day, we'll go find a given option of what?
[14:17] And I mean, if they have those days, this is the one fail on to that date.
[14:23] We were scrambling just to get one from the state of revenue and the newspaper, all of those two people.
[14:30] So you're having to submit it by this week for it too.
[14:35] They gave them that they gave it that line of when we have to submit after this meeting.
[14:38] We have to start putting the, they're putting the display out by the way that we're going to get it to them.
[14:44] So they can have it for that date.
[14:46] It's a place, not a little thing, it's a whole display in the paper, the full page and that's very premium.
[14:56] And this email appears that then corresponded on itself.
[15:00] I'm just also sharing the sentiment of Commissioner Evelar, while I was there no outreach by you to us as individual commissions to
[15:11] because of where this so that we can be prepared to be able to provide.
[15:17] We can't do that. We can't communicate with the missioners about anything for
[15:26] paying to four of the emails to make us aware of information as you receive it?
[15:31] Let me address number one with discussed stuff like this in open meeting.
[15:37] You like I just said, you can change it all you want, but we discussed some like this number.
[15:41] Also, we communicated this to the Chris community, immediately after the meeting, the last meeting we had.
[15:48] It took them to when we were going, you notice that date, that's the date we published, that's the Friday or Thursday,
[15:53] Whatever it is, we published it, they information.
[15:56] So we have to scramble between them
[15:58] and the newspaper to be able to get to date.
[16:01] That said, you can go ahead and give all the date
[16:05] and then we'll ask the newspaper and see where we are.
[16:08] Well, I'm available on the 30th September.
[16:13] That will be put in need.
[16:14] Extremely close for not only for here,
[16:17] but for the stream itself.
[16:19] But that's when.
[16:23] I don't know if anyone else is available on the 28th or
[16:28] but date is conducive for the entire body, but I am unavailable on the 28th.
[16:34] I am available on the 30th.
[16:40] I want to make this fine for me.
[16:41] When he was fine with me, he was the pleasure of the mission.
[16:44] I have a lot.
[16:50] Nice, Mayor.
[16:51] The journey is okay.
[16:56] Nice, Mayor.
[17:15] I just fell down.
[17:16] That date close or is that okay?
[17:18] I mean, then when is the deadline?
[17:21] We will have to ask the paper to have a day out of something that not originally reserved for it.
[17:26] So, they don't have availability.
[17:29] Do you need to have a backup another day just in case?
[17:32] Yes, you can.
[17:34] Yes, you should.
[17:35] So, we have the 30th as the first request.
[17:38] Is there another date that we could possibly...
[17:42] We'll just in case the newspaper says, no.
[17:45] I think someone mentioned the 29th.
[17:47] Mayor Juan mentioned the 29th but I want to just say according to the city manager the first date that we could have it
[17:55] We on the 28th that's proposed the news paper constraints. I am only available on 30th again. I say
[18:07] We also
[18:09] Mr. Balagans, so you're saying you're going to act them about the 30th
[18:15] And so if we can ask them about the 30th thing, I know that you said that you had already turned in for the 28th.
[18:23] No.
[18:23] We're going to do that at base time today.
[18:25] Upon today.
[18:28] I'm sorry.
[18:29] Go ahead.
[18:29] Yeah.
[18:30] We add the lock that instance.
[18:33] That's what they have available.
[18:34] Now, if we go back and see if they also have the 30th.
[18:40] That's.
[18:40] We'll do that.
[18:41] That works with the time frame of the state, okay? Is that it works with the time frame of the state that much?
[18:49] We know it just depends on the newspaper. Okay, and then if that's not available then you'll let us know
[18:55] Well, it's either it's gonna be either that the 308 or the 208. Okay, okay
[19:04] So I just want to state this record miss a battle on you're gonna ask
[19:11] It doesn't work, it'll have to go back to the 28th.
[19:14] Sure.
[19:14] Okay.
[19:15] So do you want to understand?
[19:17] No.
[19:18] Because it should be able, because it's a longer term, and the 28th is, so it's not like
[19:25] you're going to make it short.
[19:27] It's like, you know, you extended it, so if you extended it with your newspaper, I don't
[19:31] see this one.
[19:33] It should not be available.
[19:34] Because the earliest is the 28th, so the 4th, the 3rd should be, you know, should be
[19:40] available.
[19:41] Yeah, this is exactly why we in or forward to be playing these type of games
[19:47] because I had this tentative budget would have been approved the same, we approved the
[19:53] military, then we're in this predicament where now we're subject to someone else's availability.
[19:59] We're put.
[20:00] Not sells at the availability of the news paper being able to have a availability for the
[20:09] particular reason that we wouldn't have had otherwise had we approved of the attentive budget
[20:14] and we could have gone and made subsequent adjustments or changes, you know, how we see fit for
[20:20] the final budget. But when we started planning this game for like we did on the last meeting
[20:26] pertaining to the budget because, you know,
[20:29] wanting to have their own way.
[20:31] This is the, these are the consequences.
[20:33] So we can't say, oh, it should be available,
[20:36] because it's a laterty.
[20:38] Because we're still at the mercy of that particular entity.
[20:43] That's why we, when it's come time for us to decide,
[20:47] what we can control here, we need to take care of this
[20:51] then because as we know, and this is nobody,
[20:54] no one here on this commission's first budget season.
[20:59] At the beginning of a prior, even by a two budget season,
[21:03] there's a little dates that we must meet.
[21:07] Three years.
[21:09] That's within certain time, districts.
[21:12] And we do it all the time, and we make sure that we, those deadlines,
[21:17] so we don't run into situations like this where we're now scrambling at the last minute.
[21:20] had we taken care of business in the last meeting we wouldn't be in this for
[21:24] the mid-today you can't not take care of it is not done here to speak and I'm not
[21:29] not going up there yes I don't need to speak
[21:32] by one to speak and then I would like to speak there
[21:38] okay okay so this is what civility is all about right the fact is that we had that
[21:48] thing the third. And no communication to say that, okay, we're going to have this meeting on the 28th.
[22:02] Are you guys available? Anybody available? Not available? Because of the poor communication
[22:06] from our administration, this happens will happen. So when Commissioner Smith talking about
[22:14] not taking care of this from here and there. You have to hold everybody accountable,
[22:19] including our administrator, City Manager, is to be accountable as well.
[22:25] You are telling me that you come here tonight with date for the 28th of September
[22:29] and you don't know what the other days are available from the newspaper.
[22:35] You should have those information. You should have the deadline for the newspaper that we have to submit.
[22:41] What other days you come here just tripping because what you just put that date and
[22:47] Everybody has to be here. That's ridiculous. That is ridiculous
[22:51] So I mean talking about you know when you all
[22:55] Wonderful information to go there and do stuff and to give to information give to people to
[23:02] Post on social media that that that that takes presidents over doing the business of the city
[23:07] Right really that's ridiculous
[23:10] Come on now. We need to be better. If we're not available here, a commission is not available.
[23:18] Who needs to contact the commission? You're talking about, or you can't, you would have to do it in the public.
[23:25] That doesn't make any sense. That's what the commission emails and stuff like that we get found to contact.
[23:34] You're trying to tell us, because you're not on speaking terms with three commissioners up here
[23:40] You will decide to compute it in the actual meeting and then talking about we have a deadline
[23:46] Then you can come up with a deadline from the paper
[23:49] So you want to hope blame us for it. Come on now. That's ridiculous
[23:55] Mayer, I was getting ready to call you. Go right. Okay, because you were pointing at the
[24:02] So I share the sentiment of my league, I think that it's a travesty that every time
[24:09] commissioner Smith wants to blame the commission for decision made by the city manager
[24:16] unilaterally.
[24:18] It would have been appropriate for the city manager to email us after getting the response
[24:23] on September 11.
[24:25] There's nothing that precludes the city manager from communicating with us as individual commissioners on issues that are time sensitive and which he should have done.
[24:36] In addition to that he here at the meeting ill prepared knowing that we have up to the 30th to get this done.
[24:43] It would have been a prudent pan to quarter the news per two tentatively hold each day, the 28th, the 29th, and the 30th to be able to put them in paper,
[24:55] nine days was coming to the mission to ask us at the meeting and we will be
[25:00] The committee available on any of those days. He did not do that. He is now happening to go back and do work that should not already prepared for us to apply it on at this meeting.
[25:11] So in addition to that reason why the tentative budget was not approved at the first budget hearing was because we're the commissioners and we said that we did not meet at any point with our city administrator to discuss the items that was in the tentative budget.
[25:29] We had only gotten the tentative budget, two weeks prior to the first budget hearing, and we had no time, a lot to speak with our city of ministry about our concerns with the budget.
[25:43] Then when we were at budget meeting, all of the concerns we had was written down.
[25:49] It wasn't even addressed at the light at time.
[25:51] It was supposed to be addressed to him.
[25:53] The lady manager was ill prepared to even dress our concerns
[25:57] of the budget that he prepared.
[26:00] He'd even addressed the commission's questions
[26:02] at the meeting in which we act those questions.
[26:06] He now wants to give us the nonsense
[26:09] of what our concerns were to respond to them today.
[26:14] So how could we, in good fact, approve a tentative budget
[26:17] that we had so a plasterer, a question concerning the budget and the allocations of funds.
[26:24] Just found out on Monday that we'd have undesinated funds coming from our reserves that
[26:30] was not part of the original presentation.
[26:33] So I still have additional questions because we keep finding out information piece by piece.
[26:39] But yet, Commissioner Smith is not concerned with those valid points that are being made
[26:44] by his colleagues. He's only concerned with attacking his colleagues. And this is contributing
[26:50] to the debutiveness that all the residents are concerned about. You have no valid input
[26:57] concerning the concerns of your colleagues. If you have colleagues that are working together
[27:03] that are sent to you, A, the city manager is not quarantined with us considering sitting business
[27:10] as he should. That's the concern of yours. But evidently, it's not a concern of yours because
[27:15] he's indicating adequately with you. But not with three other cards. You're cool with that.
[27:22] You have never stated on record anything that you should be concerning the actions of the city
[27:29] a minute as far as wrong on professional. And this is what is delaying business. Because I would
[27:38] not voting on something that I'm not clear.
[27:41] I'm not going to be voting to approve something just to come back and be banned.
[27:45] Those are like he did a couple years ago.
[27:48] I still don't have the call savings analysis that we are supposed to be doing for our
[27:54] residents.
[27:54] I still don't have the breakdown of the city administrative budget as far as who's getting
[27:59] paid.
[28:00] How much those benefits are going to work?
[28:04] It's a lot of things that still not transparent that I personally and professionally do not feel
[28:11] comfortable approving the budget when we don't have all of the variables in order to make a sound decision.
[28:17] If you feel comfortable making a blinded decision on the behalf of the residents that you say
[28:23] that you are advocating for and what, by the way, you never advocate for anything for residents.
[28:28] Okay, you never do, you never, at any of our men, any questions, you never advocate for
[28:36] anything positively for our residents.
[28:39] Everything that comes from your commissionersmith is negatively driven towards your fellow
[28:45] colleagues.
[28:46] Okay.
[28:47] Okay.
[28:47] Are you finished with it?
[28:48] I'm not finished because this is my time to talk.
[28:50] Every time I go to talk, Mayor, you want to interject with what I'm saying.
[28:56] Oh, but you should have told Commissioner Smith to focus on the buzzer, but his comment was the buzzer
[29:01] No, it was not about the buzzer.
[29:02] You go ahead and finish, please.
[29:04] Stop interrupting me because our charter says it's not to rub a speaker.
[29:08] I ask him you to finish.
[29:09] Okay, so that me finish.
[29:11] Stop running, ruin my train to thought.
[29:14] Okay.
[29:15] And the next thing would do, Mayor,
[29:17] you have to understand that this commissioner's meeting is the commission's meeting.
[29:21] Every time you want to run and give latitude to the city manager, and what's the pleasure of the city manager?
[29:28] Let me remind you that the will and pleasure of this commission is the authority of the city and not the city manager.
[29:34] It is not holding to him to make decisions on behalf of this commission.
[29:38] The commission makes the decisions and the city manager follows those directors.
[29:43] Make sure that you know that that's clear because that's the oath that you took.
[29:47] Thank you.
[29:47] Thank you for coming.
[29:50] If I may, I have to address all the comments that were made, which are not totally false.
[29:58] Number one.
[30:00] I'm going to go down the list. It is not appropriate. It is not appropriate. It is not appropriate.
[30:07] on the budget, they on the budget, they on the budget, like I speak, I did not say
[30:14] word, I did say, there, yeah, so I'm
[30:17] on the budget, I'm speaking on the budget, I was
[30:22] speaking on the budget, I was speaking on the budget, I was speaking on the budget.
[30:25] Mr. Balagan, can you wait a second please, we will allow him to find, we will not interrupt.
[30:32] That's the Mayor.
[30:35] We will allow him to speak.
[30:37] We will be able to enter up.
[30:40] No, no, no, no, no, no.
[30:42] Because we allow you to speak and no one enter up.
[30:44] It's not your main to the budget.
[30:47] Then he will get in there.
[30:49] If you can answer, you can respond now.
[30:51] It was mentioned that the, that the,
[30:54] It should ascend the email to the commission.
[30:56] It is not appropriate to ascend the email asking for people to vote.
[31:00] They appropriate thing is to bring it all down and let's kind of just finish
[31:05] You can vote over who will vote. Oh, I didn't get anything about it
[31:11] That's what I missed a very fine. Mr. Bellagon people don't want to say it
[31:17] No, so here's what here's what we're not going to do
[31:22] We're going to allow each person to speak out being interrupted now you've said your piece
[31:29] Let him respond, then the next person to speak is commission a brand and Smith.
[31:36] It wish to speak after that, then you just let me know, and you will be at to it, but give them the respect that your desire.
[31:44] Mayor Mr. Major.
[31:46] Just a point of order, Mayor.
[31:48] We can point of order.
[31:50] It will be a order.
[31:52] We're not recognizing the point of order.
[31:54] to be asking to be asked to be stopped and the point
[31:58] but it needs to be addressed.
[32:00] Where I have a point of personal privilege.
[32:02] He can not throw a point.
[32:04] He's not a member of the council.
[32:05] Yeah, I can.
[32:06] He can not.
[32:07] That code is too late.
[32:09] Only the word is called a little Barbara on that.
[32:12] I have a point of personal privilege.
[32:14] Mayor, you are annoying.
[32:16] My point of order as a commissioner of this body.
[32:20] Your background, you will finish.
[32:21] The point order tape will be preceded, the point of this is, it's more, I was Mayor of order,
[32:32] if you look out of order, recognize the commission's point of order. When you start calling, point of order, date, you are asked for a point of order, okay, to that end, point of order.
[32:46] This is really nice.
[32:48] Point a order.
[32:50] Mr. Ballon.
[32:51] Of course, when I'm about to make a point order in that we, you see, it's got to be point
[32:58] of order to drop to me.
[33:00] You know you have to run.
[33:02] Point of order.
[33:03] If you're not, let me speak.
[33:05] Let me play point of order.
[33:08] Can you give me a little bit of a little bit of a point of order?
[33:11] next thing you will be next after that.
[33:42] What is water? Nobody's question about the budget. You did not say, of course, why not the order that came here. So people need to know that.
[33:51] My opinion is what I'm saying.
[33:53] I'm just water. I'll put our presents.
[34:00] We have more than a pair.
[34:02] But nine pieces of questions that were here.
[34:04] The point in the office shows that the mission is not prepared and talking about who's job is prepared to commission that point of order it was so clear that nobody did not read
[34:16] I'm going to point that out to point of order now. Are you finished? No, I'm not. Okay
[34:22] In May of order, it was, it was, it was going to be, at this meeting today, in May of order, on this
[34:30] next violence was clearly discussed several times, point of order, that's, that's not correct.
[34:38] The ill prepared is not part of the staff, we're point of order, we want to make sure you
[34:44] have it in writing so we can have it in record, just like we did last point of order.
[34:49] Commissioner Smith you have a floor now. I have a point of order
[34:53] Do you not understand Robert's rules of order mayor? You have a floor after Commissioner Smith. That's not
[35:00] And that's not how Robert rules go.
[35:01] Commissioner Smith was sure.
[35:03] That's not how Robert rules go.
[35:05] Commissioner Smith comment.
[35:07] And that's something Smith knows that that's not not appropriate what you're doing.
[35:12] And he's not calling you out.
[35:14] So he understands that appoint the boarder takes.
[35:17] Great.
[35:18] Great.
[35:19] Commissioner Smith.
[35:20] And he does not call you out to let you notice.
[35:23] This is ridiculous.
[35:24] Commissioner Smith, you know that appoint of order takes precedes.
[35:27] and it interrupts the speaker yet.
[35:29] Why aren't you holding the mayor accountable
[35:31] to her not following Robert rules of water?
[35:34] That's true.
[35:35] That's true.
[35:36] Why are you a contributory party to this foolishness?
[35:40] So I'm a member of the mayor receiving the meeting.
[35:43] This is ridiculous.
[35:43] You have any.
[35:44] Because you know that the point of order
[35:46] it was supposed to be taken up before
[35:48] now in the city manager to speak.
[35:50] That's like you guys can tell you the meeting
[35:51] without a quorum.
[35:53] You cannot continue to implement it without a quorum.
[35:55] It's not like a point of point of point of point of point of point and it was not recognized.
[36:00] Again.
[36:01] The mission is that are you familiar with the points of origin?
[36:03] Commissioners, Smith, are you finished?
[36:06] Yes.
[36:07] This is the question.
[36:08] Commissioners, tell what is your comment.
[36:10] My point of order is that you are out of order mayor.
[36:15] You're rooting your gift.
[36:17] I said, okay, go ahead.
[36:18] You don't speak at all when I have the floor.
[36:21] Can you say your comment and keep it moving?
[36:24] Stop interjecting being rude and disrespectful that's you. Yes, so go ahead and say your comment
[36:29] See your comment. She wants to control so say your comment
[36:33] Say I need for you to be quiet from the audience also
[36:38] No, I'm I'm serious. You should not be speaking from the audience that you're first warning
[36:44] Make sure you apply that pressure to everybody that's the speaking in the audience
[36:49] She was okay for a time being so
[36:51] Who wants to be in control now commissioner touched on you have the floor my point of order is that you were out of order for a lounge the city manager to speak
[37:01] When there was a point of order on the floor the city manager and not
[37:07] So a motion because he is not a part of this body
[37:10] He cannot make a point of personal privilege. He cannot make a motion because he is not he is not see how you're allowing him to
[37:18] to get provide him with the same warning provide him with the same warning can you finish
[37:26] please provide him with the same warning you finish you're out of order mayor you just
[37:31] are me say to him to stop so that you can finish no you did not say that well you finish
[37:37] please finish your comment and like I said you could changely allow the city
[37:42] a manager that works for us to have a derelict of booties and responsibilities and to
[37:50] demean the body in which he works for. I understand you would not tolerate for him to speak
[37:56] to you in the same tone and the same manager to allow him to address this body as you could
[38:03] tingly allow him to disrespect this body, right? But when the shoe was on the other foot, when
[38:09] When you were in, when you were not in the mayor's eat, and the city manager was treated
[38:14] some type of way.
[38:15] You was crying from the mountains and tops to all the prices that everyone was trying
[38:19] to say that we need to get rid of the city manager.
[38:22] You had Carolina on the top of review committee saying that we did to reduce the supermajority
[38:31] of the chart because you wanted to get rid of the city manager in the city attorney at
[38:35] that time.
[38:36] Now, since you're in the mayor seat, you allow him to everything that you spoke how he
[38:41] against him doing in regards to you with holding information and even transparency, not
[38:47] being accountable.
[38:49] But yet, you think it's funny and cute and cool now, right?
[38:53] Right?
[38:53] Because now you're using the city manager of the state scapegoat that throw the rock to you
[38:57] and hide your hand.
[38:59] It's not going to be accepted, okay?
[39:01] Now, to be accepted, it's time for your foolishness.
[39:06] You need to duck yourself and decency in an order.
[39:09] And the same application that you want residents to apply to all, because when you
[39:15] have the audience here on the last meeting, a party, and being around, you never want
[39:21] all of them to maintain order.
[39:23] You have a bias that you need to address with yourself, and you need it together.
[39:29] You need to get it together and apply rules that you have took a O to a buy.
[39:36] Okay, Robert rules order is what we abide by.
[39:40] Charities is not specified differently.
[39:42] So when there's a point over on the day is,
[39:46] is your responsibility to apply by Robert rules.
[39:50] All caution is to stop.
[39:52] The, it could be interrupted with a point of order.
[39:55] The point of order, the point of order, the point of order,
[39:58] and it of e.
[40:00] Member of the Commission decides to go against your rule and we can do so before they vote. That's what the target said. Start applying by what the there's and maybe we won't have, we will have less cognitive meetings, but it starts with you the chair to allow the chaos to go on and they're going to act innocent, you're not innocent, okay, you're not.
[40:20] So, Mayor from...
[40:22] Mr. Bell, let me just make this day before we move forward. First of all, we model what we want our community to see.
[40:30] We're up here acting crazy and acting a fool for going at it with feature.
[40:36] That is what the community sees that our city is.
[40:39] So, we have the city of West Park as your mayor. I apologize for this play.
[40:44] Because this is not where supposed to be up here to do up here to run the business of the city and to the city better.
[40:53] So on behalf of myself, I apologize on behalf of the city for this behavior because this is not what we're supposed to do.
[40:59] We have wasted two minutes of your time on foolishness.
[41:03] We could have been deciding our budget.
[41:06] So we will continue to move to the city before we will continue to do the business of the city.
[41:11] So, please main calm and let us allow the process to go through and you can please continue.
[41:19] I'm going to so send everything I'm about to say about the runs and I'll do that when I'm making my comments.
[41:25] I know I've been, I have the code space, I have the authority to be able to speak.
[41:30] I've remeven 16 over 16 years. I've been here several of the lecture officials.
[41:35] And I will on my chest to say this dies will not want to be on these dies if I have not been here
[41:42] To make sure this city wrong that's it that said we have that we are for nine of the names of
[41:53] You will the culture the culture that does not allow for decorum and someone just and really
[42:05] No, nobody want to, but when I feel somebody want to interact with you, that's totally, that's my job to make sure I call the commission when that's happening
[42:15] It's clear states in my scope when that is happening after let a commission know, but it continues to happen when I'm talking that said
[42:23] I them is before you let's move past the item. I was suspended and I'm going to address every item that was said
[42:29] Yeah, I'm just doing a presentation because I will indicate that again
[42:33] If you have a date, we have a date for the 28th.
[42:37] The news for just like we reserved,
[42:39] they reserved with all this.
[42:41] Commissioner Hayat mentioned earlier that this for the down,
[42:44] because they deserve for this.
[42:46] However, I can indicate it if you pass
[42:49] have the 28th as a 30th as a date,
[42:54] and then the 28th as a second option,
[42:56] we'll go and try to receive,
[42:58] they can move things around and I come with that.
[43:00] Because I had a city close to it with them for,
[43:02] And we wanted to make sure we are by by the state of Florida like we waited for them for so long from the third
[43:08] Today left before they responded
[43:09] They were going to rule the city in violation of of not of the three violation and they stayed there in there
[43:16] So we quickly capture the date that they will like agree to so much to do all of that gymnastics to make sure we get a date on here
[43:25] That said if it's one the third days are the 28 go to the newspaper
[43:29] We try to see them move things around. I'm surprised and all the city clerk do that and we're going to if that doesn't
[43:37] Is that happens?
[43:38] Then we'll put it in there, but the state they have is this state
[43:42] But if they make the 28 up the 30 up and we'll push for that. That's why I said that earlier
[43:49] But we just make it easier Mayor and see whether or not we can just put Oda Sam for the 28 29th and 30th
[43:57] There's nothing that precludes for canceling meetings, as well.
[44:01] If we want to make sure that we're capturing all the dates, just put a notice in that we're
[44:05] going to have something on the 28th or 29th and 30th.
[44:08] But you understand that the consensus of the body is that the availability is on the 30th.
[44:15] So Mr. Manager, the manager has stated that he will be the first date that we
[44:21] provided with the 20th and the 30th people check, oh Chris, I'm sorry, we can only have one
[44:29] ad.
[44:30] One ad.
[44:30] The state actually will preclude us from having multiple ads.
[44:32] We need to the ad.
[44:34] No, when I'm saying is in the date of the one ad, why can't it state more than one day, even
[44:40] that we can have one ad.
[44:41] The state doesn't preclude what dates we include in that one ad.
[44:44] I wish we had that flexibility, but the state is really specific on the nature and the
[44:51] They call it, so it has to be to it, you know, at the end of the street.
[44:54] Can you speak up a little bit loud?
[44:56] I'm in here. Okay, sorry. Thank you.
[44:58] At the end of the meeting, we have to notify the...
[45:00] Public of the date, please, and time of the second budget hearing, because this will be the budget hearing continued from the third. The reason is the 18th, you had until he teens to have your first budget hearing. And today is the sixties that barely made that date. So, if I said to say, we do not have the option, what the language of the ad should look like or the dates. It can only be one date, one time, and one place on that ad, and cannot run a multiple dates. We would be a violation of the, of the statute, do that. So, we're going to have to choose a date. I think, though,
[45:29] from what I'm hearing 30th was like fine for everybody and I pretty sure that that's going to be
[45:35] acceptable to the paper and fall back to the 28th. It's not. I know that's a conflict for you,
[45:40] but I don't think it's going to happen in any case. Okay. The other thing that you said that was just
[45:45] interest was the fact that we had until the 18th. So being that you all knew that we
[45:53] want to need to have this additional meeting because it was a continuation. Why didn't we
[45:59] schedule something about team? Well that's two days from now and I think the issue for the
[46:07] state is the original meeting, you have to adopt the milledrate in the tentative budget at the same
[46:13] meeting that was not done. The statutes actually got to plate that event. So when we contacted them
[46:19] day after meeting. They said it wasn't going to have to be kicked up to management because
[46:24] there's no, there's no cure that that's specific so they're going to have to make a decision.
[46:29] The time of that has been a little bit better because that fell on the layman weekends.
[46:33] So Friday, you know, when in Tallahassee was there, Monday, they weren't.
[46:37] And they still didn't get back to the still didn't get back to us because they didn't really,
[46:41] I don't think they knew what to do, but they knew we were out meeting on the 18th. They figured,
[46:46] Well, that, I'm sorry, this 16th, I spoke, they knew they were having a meeting today, and they
[46:51] like, okay, that's probably not already, so let's just go with that day, with actually
[46:56] saying that because I think that's, they're just trying to accommodate what was a problem,
[47:01] and they didn't really know how to address it.
[47:03] So there was, you know, when I went back to the next, they look at the statute and the, the
[47:08] trim manual, which is an administrative adoption of the law, which was an address.
[47:13] Right.
[47:14] I asked you, well, what's the cure for this?
[47:17] bizarre things happened in the past was he's on this issue and they're usually
[47:21] unreasonable.
[47:22] Like for instance, I had to tell you where the city manager actually put his home
[47:27] address as I said, the first public hearing, and that went L-40,000, you know,
[47:32] property owners.
[47:33] The state said, well, just, you know, just put a sign in your yard, I mean, I asked
[47:38] the manager, well, how big you are, just to see if we had the meeting there, we did anything
[47:41] that funny.
[47:42] So here they were just trying to accomplish one of the structure without finding you in not lines.
[47:47] So that's just the way to evolve.
[47:50] But at the end of the day, arguments aside and I understand the engines on this.
[47:54] It sounds like all kind of inclined to do the 30th.
[47:58] I believe that will probably ultimately work out anyway.
[48:00] But I don't see arguing about it any if everyone's fine with that.
[48:04] So I'm going to have to interject here.
[48:07] We are at 659 meeting has to end.
[48:11] We will have to close out this meeting up our regular meeting.
[48:17] Rest, rest, rest, and then come back and open this meeting back again.
[48:22] And to follow specific guidelines.
[48:26] Are you going to reopen this week?
[48:28] Well, since we are on this item and finish it because there was a motion in the second.
[48:34] Mayor, I would like move to amend the motion to change the date to December 30th from the 28th.
[48:47] I would prefer that we come back because the time is over right now.
[48:51] Mayor, the motion is on the floor.
[48:54] So, but it's seven o'clock.
[48:56] But so we, Mayor, can I finish?
[48:59] So we will close.
[49:02] We will close.