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[0:00] Welcome everybody to our work session of the West Point City Planning Commission. Today is March 12th, 2026. And we are missing Spencer and Adam. We have Rochelle, Ryan, Kyle, and Joe. So we'll get started on our work session, which is review of agenda items and then other items, which might be discussion of a float possibly for the parade, but that's it. So I guess it's Troy and I also got your print out.
[0:29] then I'll talk about these items which will make it go even faster.
[0:32] Here you go.
[0:33] Appreciate it.
[0:35] So the first item, we're actually combining a agenda item six and seven.
[0:45] That's a preliminary plat and a site plan amendment for the Salt Grass townhomes.
[0:50] This is located approximately 4,500 west, 1800 north on the corner.
[0:55] This would be the second amendment, this property was re-zoned with a development agreement
[1:06] in March of 2023, that re-zoned with the development agreement allowed 132 units.
[1:18] Since then, they came back in 2024 with an amendment to the preliminary that picked up down to 116 units.
[1:28] Now, the reason why is they had some wetland concerns that they couldn't resolve, so we'll just cut that away.
[1:36] That's all been resolved now, and now they're requesting an amendment to go back up to 132 units.
[1:45] and they've actually changed things slightly from their original plan.
[1:54] So the 2024 plan, this was the layout of the project.
[2:00] The property that the road went to the north portion of the property connected to $4,500.
[2:06] You can see kind of the bend in the road.
[2:09] That was where UW was going to tie in $4,500.
[2:14] if you know that intersection is offset. Since then the UDOT and the city has been working
[2:21] to take that e-road offset to the south properties. So 4,500 on that north of 1800 would
[2:34] actually be straight and then curve down below. So their amendment is changing how that's
[2:41] out a little bit because they were dedicating some of that to the to the city for the future road.
[2:48] So the new plenary plan, you can see here on the on the screen shows the road
[2:54] kind of going in the middle. Also, if you've right now the city council is discussing
[3:03] seen public hearing for the trail's edge subdivision, which is the property just on the
[3:14] other side of the canal, you can see with my mouse right here, over here. So they are
[3:21] showing an access point that can go into this development. So it's actually maybe a good
[3:28] for traffic calming to turn that road down a little bit.
[3:34] So went there today to take a picture of a couple of the downhomes that are going.
[3:43] The one I should take the picture of that, they've actually painted the next one to the
[3:48] west blue, the middle section is actually blue, looks kind of nice.
[3:55] the plan that was submitted was the phasing plan. So they're looking for phase two. Right now they're
[4:04] they're just finishing up all these homes. They've pulled a permit for all of phase one. So they're
[4:11] currently building all the town homes. So phase two would be to the west of phase one and to the
[4:19] north and with that new road connecting to $4,500.
[4:24] Phase three would be the remainder of that.
[4:26] If you remember the, what's the subdivision to the north of that, which is the Humphrey
[4:33] property, West Meadows, thank you, that's connecting that road here at the very top to West
[4:41] Meadows.
[4:42] That will be Phase three.
[4:43] But, they're phasing plan shows the road, if you remember right, their phase was on $4,500.
[4:53] And so, once that this road goes, they can finish that development as well.
[4:59] This, the landscape plan for that is going to be similar to the landscape plan that was submitted for the original site plan.
[5:11] And Tim Gooch has the contract to do it, but didn't have time to finish up the landscape.
[5:19] He said it would look really similar to what's being proposed here on that other than
[5:24] the road will be here, but all the landscapes meant to have the trees and the open space
[5:32] will have the shrubs and stuff.
[5:35] So we can show it to you when he has that, but it's not really not any different than what's
[5:40] being shown there. So in the staff report who went over those possible changes from the previous,
[5:49] so again, 4,500 West is being re-aligned. So UDOTS determined not that connection to the
[5:57] South, re-aligning that to the property of the South, which is on by the school district.
[6:03] In the 2024 proposal, there's 116 units, so they're proposing to max out their density
[6:10] of the 132, which is 8 units per acre.
[6:15] That's what was approved with the development agreement.
[6:19] The building layout, again, just changed slightly, just more consistent with the original one
[6:27] of 132 units.
[6:35] You can see that it's still really similar to what was previously approved.
[6:41] Some of the open space has expanded a little bit. So there's some open space here next
[6:49] to 4,500 and down here. So those plans will show, they're going to have a detention base
[6:56] and I believe down here somewhere in the corner.
[6:59] Is that expanding because they don't have to dedicate that land from the road?
[7:05] I remember the first one, like 132, with the road dedication right, then they found out it was
[7:09] a wetland, but I kind of like that they're moving some of those away from 4500 a little bit, but
[7:16] yeah, that's something I was going to ask is where did that dedicated land end up? And it's just staying
[7:20] more open space, basically, open space.
[7:24] I think they always had a detention pond
[7:27] kind of where they're showing in.
[7:29] Yeah, there was always supposed to be one right there anyway.
[7:31] So again, there's two action items,
[7:36] because the site plan that was approved was for the 116 units,
[7:43] because the landscape slightly has changed
[7:45] in some of the layouts.
[7:47] We feel that council partners to see it.
[7:49] If Council users see preliminary, they don't see preliminary also, feel that with the two
[7:55] actions tonight would be a site plan amendment recommendation and an amendment approval with
[8:05] the planning commission. We've looked at the code and all these, this new change still
[8:10] is in compliance with all the current code requirements, so we don't see anything significant
[8:17] in to all that would hold them up. Do you have any questions for us?
[8:24] Um, I had just two. I drove by it today too. And, um, one, is that a shared ride?
[8:32] What is on the west, those west side? Are you talking this?
[8:38] Yeah, that little extension thing. Is that those, that what that is?
[8:41] A driveway? Yeah.
[8:42] Yeah, shared, shared, shared, yeah, shared, wrote, privately, no,
[8:48] similar to what you'd maybe see in a town home worth it.
[8:52] Like the driveway kind of goes back to a few units, same thing for that one.
[8:57] Do those work okay? Like I mean, that, and that's cool with the code and everything.
[9:03] Yeah, shared driveway. Yeah, it's actually like that in the original plan.
[9:07] Yeah, the original plan, because we had to, it wasn't wide enough, and they've actually made it wider.
[9:12] It was kind of really narrow at that point so I guess that's my you know how that works
[9:20] and is that gonna be okay that I could see that being a problem people park in and block
[9:26] in the driveway.
[9:27] Anytime others like that he must face him if you get better on the staff report it's like
[9:32] shaded uh-huh those work good ish yeah Scott I wouldn't I'm not gonna live there so I'm
[9:43] Yeah,
[9:46] the second thing is just I noticed in townhome communities like this parking could be a big issue. Are they put in parking? Is there some parking extra parking somewhere?
[9:56] because especially this location like 1800 you can't you're not going to be
[10:02] parking along 1800 to go visit somebody there or really probably even 45
[10:08] hundred really that'll be pretty busy right there
[10:16] wider street yeah yeah but
[10:19] when I drove down there you're not parking in front of the entrance drive you're
[10:22] be parking someone's driveway oh because they're so close together they're so close
[10:27] together like it didn't look like he parked there.
[10:32] They all have two car two car driveways and it's all
[10:35] two cars. Yeah, this this was back in the the stopwoofer doctor in which I love of you kind
[10:41] of be able to fit a full-size truck in the driveway in front of the. Yeah, if you made them, I think
[10:45] they're set back 25 feet. Yeah, that was the setback so that yeah, they said that was pretty good. Yeah,
[10:50] I was just wondering about yeah, just it seemed very yeah, there's a good photo like there's no
[10:55] more to park there. It's not you'd be blocking someone's driving. So I guess between buildings, maybe is one. Yeah, one, but that's good question for them. Also, but there's the how many spots on that he said that were the parking. These are, yeah, visitor parking.
[11:12] So like, oh, it's about a dozen. Yeah, the code required with the R4 at the times. Now it has been rewritten.
[11:27] Well, I think they're too hard to rock it, right?
[11:30] Yeah.
[11:32] Each one requires two and a half parking.
[11:36] Yeah.
[11:38] Sounds per bit too, etched.
[11:41] Right.
[11:43] Right.
[11:44] Yeah.
[11:44] That's what I remember the discussion of.
[11:46] We talked about that for a while because, yeah, it becomes a problem.
[11:50] Yeah.
[11:50] I mean, I couldn't fit all my vehicles there.
[11:54] There's 16 guest parking spaces out there.
[11:58] Okay, but my mom lived in an over by Sarah,
[12:01] she's just moving on that new one kind of by,
[12:03] where I saw you guys walking one time.
[12:05] And when I would go to her house on my truck,
[12:08] like I had to almost touch her garage
[12:10] so that my bumper would be not hanging over that.
[12:13] And that was pretty much it.
[12:14] It was like one vehicle and her garage was like one car.
[12:17] So she had like two two parking spots and that was it. And it yeah, it got crowded all the time. But I think this is a lot better than that one because yeah, you can basically fit two visitors and also have two cars theoretically, but if they're not using their garage for storage. Yeah, but yeah, so so so the driveway could accommodate the two. And that's that's why the 16 extra stalls were required. Okay.
[12:45] Is that like a certain that meets the code? Do we have a code for it or something like we got it for
[12:52] the X amount per number of units. Yeah, and back in 2023 when we went through this whole
[12:59] reason that we went through all those parking standards and everything. They have those right
[13:06] here but don't they have more closer to the road to are there two sets of additional parking?
[13:10] Is that the two extra sets of stalls one near the roadway and then the other one of those those both spare extra parking?
[13:17] Yeah, these this and that's up here.
[13:19] I can't remember what extra parking was proposed the first time if there was any.
[13:26] We went back and forth. This is what was settled what we settled on this.
[13:31] Really this portion of the development isn't really changing at all.
[13:36] It's more this side with with the wetlands.
[13:41] But yeah, that's that parking has been consistently there the whole time. How many was approved before one night in and now or one one 32 was the original with the
[13:50] Reson then it went into one 16 now it's back to one 32 so another 60.
[13:59] Yeah, they had to go down because when they went after the Reson before the the swamp. Yeah, they and I think there was a
[14:06] plug pipe because if you go historical Google Earth, there's only water there for like six years before that. There's nothing all of a sudden
[14:13] So I think that's what they found out at some sort of drainage pipe plugged and
[14:16] Yeah, that's what their development agreement says 132
[14:20] But then rather than messed around with the wetlands. They just kind of
[14:26] They're hoping then get resolved before they got to that low that area and
[14:31] I
[14:32] And we asked
[14:34] Um, um, and uh, represented come.
[14:37] I believe it's in dry end.
[14:39] Yeah, he should be here tonight to answer a question.
[14:42] So that's a good question.
[14:44] If you like, especially talking about the, the, the drives back here, this was kind of
[14:50] right before we get on, like I think, yeah, it was right before that, yeah, I will say that
[14:56] The void actually really likes this better, because...
[15:00] You remember that the Humphrey subdivision right above this, their road comes in was really close to this road. And this new plan moves it moves from kind of separates a better, so they're not so close on 4,500. And also puts a bend on 1900, which should in theory slow people down versus the straight shot that was there before, but. Yeah, it was this part of the thing that what we swapped.
[15:31] Stuff with the school district too. Is this all the same? This was school district property. Yeah, that's why you kind of ended up by an R-4 here anyway was sure it was yeah
[15:42] Makes it was exciting. It was for Sheldon's
[15:50] But I'm gonna be a good question
[15:53] Okay, that's good. Yeah. Yeah, looks good
[16:01] Where you want to go to eat, but this is where you're gonna want to go trick your treating
[16:04] things. Yeah, you have to vote awkward to get a lot of candy. Yeah. Yeah.
[16:10] You're ready
[16:11] for the next item or do you need to get with this more? No, I think we're good. We just
[16:15] got to make sure we'd have two separate votes, right? Because they're two separate, but I'm
[16:19] going to read the six and seven pre stuff together and then we'll just have two separate
[16:26] votes, right? Yeah, the staff board has two separate motions, suggested motions and that
[16:30] So because one needs to be, there's a recommendation to City Council, one is actual vote for.
[16:40] So the next item is the, which is funny, we talked about the January, we're going back
[16:45] with the January, so I'll just,
[16:49] so the next one is a, is a, is a, is a, is a preliminary
[16:52] the primary plan for the rising junior high subdivision.
[16:58] The purpose of this preliminary plan is to divide the property.
[17:08] The city owns the field to the east of the junior high.
[17:15] And so it's just subdividing the pieces.
[17:17] is one is the school district and then the other piece will be the city.
[17:22] So our code requires a preliminary apply and not just to meet some bounds.
[17:26] So we're going through the school districts going through the proper channels.
[17:30] They are the applicant, the city's not, we're here to represent the school district because
[17:35] it does affect the city property as well.
[17:38] So obviously reviewed it and everything you know it's everything matches. It's pretty it's one of those
[17:47] Easy two-out subdivisions
[17:50] Yeah, it's just to make a different parcel. So it's the cities now basically. Yeah, what's the city gonna just create another like
[17:57] Field or something is at the plan. Yeah, that's yeah, it's a big park there now
[18:02] That's what I thought on head trip. Yeah, you can see that the
[18:06] I think you could fit a pretty sweet bike park over there.
[18:11] You could, but with the brand you saw, I'm not sure that they would appreciate it.
[18:15] There's no watering required on the bike park.
[18:17] It's very water friendly, very water.
[18:21] It hurts when you wreck on them.
[18:22] I can tell you that, but you heal.
[18:27] Find some ones.
[18:28] So those are the two, I will, the three items for this evening, but if there's concerns
[18:35] questions for
[18:39] this one representing the applicant tonight, the applicant is just for the record,
[18:44] is the school district, it's not the city, but we can help they answer your questions about this one.
[18:50] And the applicant should be here for the the other one. And Mr. Sherry did give you that kind of
[18:58] script for the general session. Yep, I got it. And I liked it. And I'm glad you clarified because I
[19:03] I thought I was missing something on that school one.
[19:06] I was like, what, subdivision for a field?
[19:09] But I guess that's just the term.
[19:10] So I thought maybe I can read this wrong,
[19:13] but no, that'll work good.
[19:15] Is there a reason that they would have constructed everything
[19:19] and then that subdivision?
[19:22] So why construct it first and then go to the subdivision later?
[19:28] Government?
[19:29] Yeah, there was no, it's, uh,
[19:34] I can give you my opinion is you got one contractor working on one property owner, so you deal with one owner at the time of construction.
[19:42] The whole thing in the city is by field from this.
[19:45] That may my guess is to just make it easier on the contract.
[19:50] But other than that, I don't know why you wouldn't.
[19:53] Because you could easily just said you're good to work on our property too and have the same contractor.
[19:59] I don't know.
[20:00] All the school district pay for everything and then we'll do the flat, we'll buy the
[20:06] lot from that.
[20:07] Got you.
[20:09] So now you're buying it as an improved lot, basically.
[20:11] And I think that's how they're doing it.
[20:13] And so there's really weird stuff.
[20:15] I can tell you firsthand that the government of moving up money is going to be very odd.
[20:23] Yeah.
[20:23] There's a big interlocal agreement with courts being used office space there and well reimbursements is usually how you like to go
[20:31] That to be reimbursed from different entities instead of given money in front because it changes your anyway
[20:36] I can tell you from first 10 experience reimbursements are easier and buying stuff and selling things after it's done
[20:44] Is it really almost six o'clock?
[20:48] Seven oh, that okay
[20:51] That was in church again. Sorry
[20:54] It will be right in November.
[20:59] Yeah.
[21:00] Yeah.
[21:01] Yeah.
[21:02] Yeah.
[21:03] And it's that ladder.
[21:05] So if we can quickly go over some staff updates and like that, that way we can.
[21:11] Let's do it.
[21:12] I'm ready. So just remember the 24th meeting.
[21:16] The joint meeting with city council.
[21:20] If anybody else can't be here, 24.
[21:38] We can't make the city council come to our meeting as well. Just for fun.
[21:43] You know, I tried.
[21:45] I was like, let's have our joint meeting on the 26 and anyway, no, that's fine.
[21:52] We'd like to talk to them as much as they'll like.
[21:54] So go on and say, Council.
[21:59] What's the Nielsen General Plan amendment? Council approved that last week.
[22:04] But a general plan amendment to our four on that property on 4,500.
[22:09] The events left so much.
[22:12] other one we voted down.
[22:17] They are having a public hearing at their next meeting on the
[22:22] Mycatch property, which is the one just east of Saltgrass that you guys talked about
[22:27] like two maybe three years ago, and it's kind of gone through some changes.
[22:35] That's now going
[22:36] back to council, meals and home zones that now, they've actually made it all mostly single
[22:44] family, the same kind of small lot, single family. It was all town homes before, if you'll
[22:49] remember that. So that's public hearing it, council next meeting. Parkers are still waiting
[22:58] on the infrastructure, trying to figure out who's going to pay for all the infrastructure in the
[23:02] annexation area, but Rick's gotten Ivy Meadows who you guys voted on a couple of weeks ago.
[23:11] He's moving forward at council, so he'll be on the next meeting for public hearing.
[23:16] And Kyle was approved? It was approved, right? No. He's not for public hearing, that's right.
[23:23] That's right. That's right, because council's not having a meeting next week.
[23:29] Yeah, so that'll be on for public hearing at the next meeting.
[23:33] Yeah, no council next week because of something.
[23:37] Talk us.
[23:38] That's right.
[23:43] Planning commission.
[23:44] So we remember the property on 800.
[23:47] No, yes, 800 north on the north side of the road.
[23:51] Then we talked about and they had that long call the sack.
[23:54] There's those two U dot lots in the front.
[23:56] If we're talking to you dot.
[23:58] It sounds like that's going in a good direction.
[24:02] So you'll likely see that here in the next meeting or two.
[24:06] Their application will be forward.
[24:08] They've submitted to the PRUD.
[24:11] So they're not doing that general plan amendment.
[24:13] They just wanted our one period.
[24:15] Yeah.
[24:15] Sounds like that.
[24:16] That should be easier.
[24:18] I think so.
[24:19] I think we talked about that because they just needed a few minor.
[24:22] But it might change if they're able to buy those other two laws.
[24:25] They can maybe.
[24:26] Do something else.
[24:27] Yeah.
[24:28] So, what are they going to do with the PR?
[24:31] I think it was.
[24:33] They're not getting any density.
[24:35] All they really need is some flexibility.
[24:40] Okay, let's move on.
[24:42] Carlisie is the one on 700 South.
[24:46] Like how will you choose?
[24:50] You'll be seeing that pretty quick.
[24:53] Saltgrass, we're talking about now.
[24:55] Are they the other one?
[24:57] At least he's the other one right behind me.
[25:00] I'm not going to read the person.
[25:01] I'm not going to be able to read that.
[25:02] All right.
[25:05] Thought grasp got and then the sign code.
[25:07] I'm still working on it.
[25:08] Sign code.
[25:08] I think I'm working on it.
[25:10] I'm working on it.
[25:13] Legislative update.
[25:14] And I won't get.
[25:17] Yeah, I have to have it done by July, so you'll see it.
[25:21] What else?
[25:22] It's just some legislative updates, some things coming.
[25:26] What is the city?
[25:27] What is the city council on it?
[25:29] like just so we're kind of aware thinking about like what they do yeah what do they want to
[25:35] scout so we're going to talk about um the council had a their visioning session I don't know when
[25:43] it was a month or so ago and I gave them a whole presentation on the modern income housing plan
[25:48] and what it actually is and what the state requires and what we do and they really wanted to do that as
[25:55] part of the joint meeting. So I'm going to go over modern income housing just to really
[25:59] because we talked about it a lot but you know, we approved a plan five years ago and then I don't
[26:04] know that we really think about all the details of it. So we're going to go through modern income
[26:08] housing and what that is and then we're going to talk about industrial
[26:17] zone. Industrial. Yeah,
[26:19] remember we talked about that way to the general plan and kind of push that off and we knew we need
[26:23] talk about some inland port the future industry all so we're gonna talk about that. Yeah and the inland
[26:28] port people are gonna come and they've got some ideas they want to talk about and then there's
[26:35] one other item there's this oh we're going to open in public meeting act training. I love that
[26:42] public meeting act okay open in public meeting act that's what it's called okay training right yes
[26:53] It's just your public meeting training that you have to have that we basically went over and Katie goes up. Yeah, we basically did it a little bit ago, but just about how you guys can't have secret meeting.
[27:11] There was legislation, legislative session just ended last week and there was a few things that will have to be bringing to you.
[27:21] they approved, we have to allow detached ADUs, which we are allowed. So that was pretty easy.
[27:31] We're just going to have to tweak it a little bit, but it's pretty minor because we already allow it.
[27:36] So I think
[27:41] there's probably a couple other little tweaks we'll have to make in the code just to comply with some state changes.
[27:48] but there's nothing else major I think the ADU was the biggest one but way bigger for some cities
[27:56] again but we already allow it so that shouldn't be too a good deal. Um that's it.
[28:08] Any question?
[28:08] No.