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Good evening everyone. Welcome to the

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board of supervisors first meeting of

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the year. Please rise.

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» Aliance to the flag of the United States

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of America and to the stand

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indivisible.

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Believe it or not, I don't think we had

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any executive sessions, [laughter]

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but a few few announcements. I did want

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to start off with some good news. Uh we

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just received the grant money uh which

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which Jim Wendlegas was helpful in

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requesting when he was manager for the

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LSA grant. That's the local share grant

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uh which comes from the gaming money and

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we received $120,000

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for the compact track loader and $64,000

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for the police vehicle. So So that's

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terrific. Um, this evening's meeting is

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being recorded for rebroadcast

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and also wanted to just wish everyone a

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happy new year and remind you you're

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want to dispose of your trees. We're

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accepting them right out front here.

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Just no tinsel. So, we're going to move

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right on to public comment. Does anyone

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have public comment on any of the uh

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items that are coming up tonight?

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Christina Casey, West Vincent resident.

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I've got a couple. Um,

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Open Space Review Board. There are two

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new positions that are being added to

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this committee.

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Um,

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both of the positions are spouses of uh

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of current supervisors. Um, there's

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quite a few that they're on. My question

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is I saw that there's some vacancies.

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Um, is was that intentional? because I

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know I talked to somebody who was not

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reappointed who was looking to get

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reappointed on a committee and was not.

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» Okay. Well, would you like me to explain

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what

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» Sure.

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» Sure. So, uh, we actually have merged

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the trails committee into the open space

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committee.

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So, it's not so much of an appointment

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as they were moved there and eliminated

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a committee entirely.

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» Okay. Um, as for people that might have

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applied for other positions on other

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committees that didn't get filled but

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have vacancies,

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» I'm not aware of anyone but one person

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who I did talk to about it already being

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full at open space but to please come.

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» It wasn't open space. It was a different

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committee, but I can have them contact

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you. I know I know Whitney had had was

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kind of wondering why she didn't get

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appointed back to traffic safety.

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» Oh, I had heard that she wasn't

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interested.

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» Oh, no. She said she was she actually

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heard from me today that said that uh

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that I said, "Oh, she's not coming back.

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» There's two openings."

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» All right. Well, I will let her know.

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» Also, there are other openings and we're

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not completely done.

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» I will let her know.

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» Sure.

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» Um, the appointments now show creation

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of a new position. It's called the storm

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water enforcement officer. Um, who

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happens to be happens to be the same

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company as the assistant CEO. Um, why is

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this new position being added?

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» I'll let you explain that one.

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» The township engineer traditionally is

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the storm water enforcement officer. uh

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the township engineer takes the lead on

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all the applications made under our

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storm water ordinance. Uh so uh he is

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appointed to that position.

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» So so LTL will no longer be in that

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position of doing storm water.

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» No.

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» Okay.

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» We did replace them as our township

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bench.

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» Okay. Just checking.

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» Said that at our last meeting.

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» Yep.

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» Um there's a new $75 BM registration fee

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that's indicated in the fee schedule. uh

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who's going to be contacting all the

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B&Bs in the township to collect these

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fees or is that going to be up to the

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residents to identify and alert the

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township

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» The enforcement on that?

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» Yeah, Jason's position.

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» So, we should send all those uh leads to

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Jason who will follow up on those.

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» Jason is the director of

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» I understand and I'm asking who do we

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send them? So, we send them to Jason and

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he will be following up and collecting

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the fees.

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» You can send information to Jason.

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» Okay. So, we'll be policing that. Um,

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okay. The increase in the manager's

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compensation for no cause employment

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separation from 2 to 4 months. Um,

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curious behind the logic behind that.

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» Below the industry standard even at four

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months.

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Uh, when the manager was

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» Has up to a year.

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» Yeah. The police police do a very hard

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job out here. I totally agree with that.

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When the manager was hired, it was noted

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that he would be taking over as zoning

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officer for the township. It was

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something that the board had had

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stressed. Um, now it appears that uh

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that's now being slid over to the

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previous permit clerk who he said is uh

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the director now zoning. [snorts] Um but

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now we have two assistants which are

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going to be the township manager and

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that other firm as a backup. So um how

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did this come about when I thought that

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the manager was going to be the zoning

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officer?

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Jason's position was promoted and it's

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as part of his new [clears throat] job

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description.

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» So, you're having that portion taken

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away and Jason's going to be doing that

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part of the job.

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» I'll be the deputy assistant.

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» Deputy. Okay. So,

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» All right. Deputy.

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» Okay. I'll be back up in a little bit.

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» Okay. And by the way, you mentioned

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something that I did want to talk about,

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which was the the fees. There's a large

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change in the fee schedule. if anyone uh

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took the time to notice these have been

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drastically reduced overall and that's

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that's basically from an analysis to

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find that we were overcharging our

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residents.

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» We can talk about that when we get to

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it. Tommy will explain it.

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Anyone else public comment?

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Okay, seeing none, uh we're going to

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move on and uh I would like to appoint a

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temporary chair, right? I would like to

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transfer

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all in favor.

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» All in favor?

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Yes. Uh board of supervisors chair. A

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motion to appoint the

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uh I'll pick Dana as board supervisor

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chair for 2026.

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Second.

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All in favor? I I

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» Okay, good. You got it back.

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» Okay, congratulations. And now, thank

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you. [clears throat] Now, we're going to

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appoint a vice chair. And I would like

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to nominate Colon Cororus for vice

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chair.

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» Yes, sir.

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» All in favor?

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» I Great. Okay, that business is done

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and now we move on to Dave. You're up

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for public hearing.

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» Yes. Thank you, madam chairwoman. On the

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agenda is an ordinance

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um 20

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and it's an ordinance where we are

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changing

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some of the language relative to the

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space board.

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I'm going to get it in front of me here.

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I can talk about it.

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20 I'm sorry 224 2026. Uh it's an

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ordinance that basically we're changing

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a few of the sections. Uh we're adding

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members to the

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open space board going from five to

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seven. Um in doing that we're staggering

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the terms of the two new people. Um

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they'll be all be fiveyear terms, but

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the two new people joining will have

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staggered terms as they fit into the the

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five that are there. Um and there's a

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provision that the um

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the board super shall appoint three

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members of the space review board to

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serve on the trail committee

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implementation subcommittee. So the

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trail committee as um madame chairperson

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has said uh is being folded into the

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open space review board and um the

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supervisors will choose the members of

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that uh subcommittee that are part of

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the open space review board.

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» It does look like there's maybe a

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discrepancy in the numbers here.

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» It's this one here.

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» That's an error down there.

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» So that's the explanation. Uh we're

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having a public hearing. It's

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opportunity for anyone who has any

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question or comments about that

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ordinance can come forward now and make

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your public comments.

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» And I'm going to make one comment too. I

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had seen something that um I think needs

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to be clarified about the you know every

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uh that the liaison is chosen to

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actually be a member of

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open space from one from planning and

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one from the EAC and I think it still

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said that they were fiveyear terms which

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doesn't make sense because they would

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renew every year

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» That That would have to be addressed in

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the Senate speaking by the people or

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that's here.

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» We'd have to fix that.

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» We'll fix that.

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» Any other Are there any other comments

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All right. Hearing none, I recommend you

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close the hearing

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» Yeah. It's on there.

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» And and if we know that it's obained, we

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just have to do that after it's

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» Public hearing.

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» Go ahead.

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» Entertain.

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» All right. Uh can we get a motion then

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for a public hearing? Ordinance 224-2026

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open space review board.

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Second. Second.

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» Okay. All in favor? I I

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And next up is the very lengthy

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volunteer appointment list. Um I I had

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two changes to that. Um one is uh Jason

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Cray is who was appointed to human

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relations not trails a for Cray not

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trail. And uh also Chip Farnum

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has agreed to join uh the traffic safety

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committee as well. So we want to add all

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those in. Does anyone have any comments

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about the volunteer appointments?

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No. Seeing none and certainly there are

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openings. Please just let us know if we

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missed anyone. Um all favor.

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» Oh, sorry.

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So we

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» Say it. Thank you.

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» Yeah.

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» Okay, it's approved. Thank you.

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» And then

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meeting schedules.

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» Your board leazison is there.

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» We have to do that separate. Okay.

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Motion to appoint the board leaison as

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listed in the township manager memo

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dated December 26, 2025.

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» Vote.

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» All in favor?

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» I

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» I

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for meeting schedules, there's a motion

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to adopt the meeting schedules and other

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establishments is listed in the township

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manager memo dated 20 December 26, 2025.

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And I believe that is adding the

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workshops in there which is new. If

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anyone has a question about that at all,

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certainly happy to entertain that.

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» I'd like to make a motion to adopt the

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meeting schedules as established.

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» Second.

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» Second.

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» All in favor?

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» I.

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And then we need a motion to approve the

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December 15 meeting minutes as

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presented.

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» So move second.

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» All in favor?

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» I

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» I

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have a motion to approve resolution

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2025 or I'm sorry 2026 to adopt energy

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service areas for 2026 is listed.

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I'll make a motion

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to adopt the emergency service series

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2026.

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Second that.

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» Any questions on that at all?

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» All in favor?

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» I

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» I

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resolution 2 2026. A motion to approve

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resolution 226 to adopt the 2026 fee

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schedule. And I would like Tommy if you

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could bring up some of the the changes

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to that to highlight what has occurred.

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» Yeah. As uh is best management practice

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for municipalities prior to adoption the

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fee schedule. We take a look at the uh

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proposed fees relative to uh the cost

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that the township incurs uh to process

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individual permits and other approvals

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and make adjustments where necessary. As

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the chair noted a few moments ago,

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generally uh there has been a decrease

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uh to several of the fees uh that are

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proposed this year relative to the fee

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that was charged in 2025. Uh there are a

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couple of new fees added uh to the

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schedule uh including uh underground

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storage tanks um which was uh left off

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uh the schedule in past years. Uh the

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escros that are required to be posted

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with land developments uh have uh have

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been revised as well. Uh generally up uh

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and in [snorts] several instances we

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have consolidated

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uh fees that are charged uh we had mult

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multiple instances of multiple fees

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charged for the same approval. Uh and

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that has been streamlined so folks are

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paying uh one fee instead of uh more

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than one fee. Uh we can review uh any of

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the uh

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fees if folks want to discuss

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but I believe all are self-explanatory

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as to what permits uh require what fees

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and escros as needed.

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» Any comments, questions?

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» Jamie McBicker. Um first of all, who's

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the new guy? Oh my goodness. We didn't

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introduce Sean.

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» Sorry. This is Sean Clark. Welcome.

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» Welcome Sean.

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» Well, thank you for I'm happy to be here

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tonight.

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» God bless you. Why anybody wants to be a

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supervisor and talk to me in another six

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years, right?

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» Uh

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I just I hadn't looked at these before

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and just looking at the fees it looks

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like a lot of them have gone up. Um it

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would have been helpful to see a side by

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side of before and afters, but

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» Again, most are going down. Most changes

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are damp.

394
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» Be that as it may, I'm saying there's a

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lot of them that have gone up.

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» Uh so I'm just

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» I can identify the ones that are

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increasing if that helps.

399
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» Uh sure.

400
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» Okay. Um well, do you want me to

401
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identify the all the changes?

402
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» I you know, I don't know. I guess it's

403
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more up to people if there people here

404
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who see something.

405
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» We can go. So residential permits on

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page one, new family, new single family

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and single family additions. uh that

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decreases

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uh from 1.5% cost of construction to

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1.25.

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Uh the second new accessory structures

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also decreases from 1.5 to 1.25.

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» Tommy, can I interrupt for a second?

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Sure.

415
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» So I just I just Googled West Vincent

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Township fee schedule. It shows what I'm

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looking at may be wrong, but the very

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first thing new construction and

419
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addition went from 500 to 1250. Am I

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looking at

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» Are you Are you looking at residential

422
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permits? Yeah.

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» What What's the year on top of what

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you're looking at?

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» 2025.

426
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[clears throat]

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» 2025.

428
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I have the 2025 fee schedule here

429
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» And it's $500 plus 1.5% cost of

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construction,

431
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you know.

432
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» Right. But now it's $1250.

433
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» Where are you getting 1250, Jay?

434
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» From when you handed out. Am I looking

435
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the wrong place?

436
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» Yeah. New construction and additions.

437
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I'm sorry. That's res non-residential.

438
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» That's non-residential.

439
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» I apologize.

440
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» Okay. Let's start on page one. Okay.

441
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» Start at the top.

442
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» We're a little better to the residents.

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» So, residential permits, the cost of

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construction charge decreases from 1.5%

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to 1.25%.

446
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The new accessory structure decreases

447
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from 1.5% to 1.25%.

448
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Alterations decreases from 1.5% to

449
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1.25%.

450
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Decks, patios, porches, pergolas

451
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decreases from 1.5% to 1.25%.

452
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Solar generator, mechanical HVAC per

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unit decreases 1.5% to 1.25%.

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Fire suppression systems and alarm

455
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systems decreases from 1.5%

456
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1.25%.

457
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On page three, electrical permit

458
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decreases from 1.5% to 1.25%.

459
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Bunning decreases 1.5% to 1.25%.

460
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Swimming pools in ground

461
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increases from 250 to 350.

462
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» And Tommy just just stop you

463
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[clears throat] for a second.

464
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» So you're on page two now.

465
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» Yep. Go ahead.

466
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» Winning pool above ground increases from

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100 to 135. However, the cost of

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construction decreases from 1.5

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to 1.25. So that's that's probably going

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to be revenue neutral because two are

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going up a little, one's going down.

472
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» As I noted, accessory uses

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um that increased from $100 to $125.

474
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However, again, the cost of construction

475
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fee, which is normally the bigger fee

476
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that the resident pays, decreases from

477
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1.5 to 1.25.

478
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Zoning permits increase from 300 to 310.

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Driveway permits increase from 300 to

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310. And those are the only other

481
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changes on page two. On page three,

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non-residential fundaments decreases

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from $1,500

484
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to $1,250.

485
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New accessory structures, nonresidential

486
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decreases because the township was

487
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charging two fees, a $300 review fee and

488
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a $100 two-hour administrative fee. Uh

489
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that is the example of the combination

490
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of fees. The new fee is 350. The old fee

491
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was 4, the new fee is 350. The very same

492
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thing with the next one, alterations.

493
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The new fee is 550. The ch township was

494
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charging two fees totaling 600 last

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year.

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» Solar generator, mechanical, HBAC per

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unit. Same thing. We're going from $600

498
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to $550. Fire suppression systems, same

499
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:51,120
thing here. We're going from 500 to 450.

500
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Electrical fee, same. were decreasing

501
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from 400 to 350.

502
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Um, under electrical 2 that adopted last

503
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year had a permit issued for new service

504
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at $0.

505
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I think that was a typo. So, we

506
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calculated the appropriate fee in that

507
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$600. I can't tell you what the fee was

508
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last year because the fee schedule

509
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listed zero. Plumbing fee decreases from

510
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$400 to $450 to

511
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» 350. I'm sorry.

512
00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:24,480
swimming pools, uh, accessory recreation

513
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,679
uses. These are for non-residential

514
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,440
properties decreases from 600 to 550.

515
00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:31,440
» Can I just interrupt for a sec? Yeah.

516
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» What's a nonresidential?

517
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» If a if an HOA wants to put a swimming

518
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pool in a clubhouse, if um, you know, if

519
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if if a recreational use wants to do

520
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:43,360
something like that. So, not common, but

521
00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:45,840
you want to make sure you have something

522
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:49,360
there in the event. Yeah. What if

523
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somebody I mean not to get into this but

524
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just off the top of my head thinking

525
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about it. So we have a famous infamous

526
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:58,240
place happening up the road here

527
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where a guy from California comes in and

528
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,240
develops a property. Is that considered

529
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,000
residential?

530
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,600
» That's considered accessory because the

531
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720
bed and breakfast is accessory to the

532
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,039
residential use there.

533
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,640
» Okay.

534
00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,640
» If there wasn't a residential use there,

535
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,080
if it was just a like a hotel, that's

536
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,520
certainly commercial and this would

537
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,200
attach. I guess my real question is if

538
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,919
somebody has two homes and they live in

539
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,840
Oklahoma but own a property here, are

540
00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:21,679
they residential or non the house is

541
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,280
residential but they're not residential.

542
00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:25,760
» Well, you talk about residency and

543
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,840
residential which are two different

544
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,159
not whether they have multiple homes.

545
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,640
» Yeah.

546
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:30,640
» Okay.

547
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,360
» If they're using it as a home, it's a

548
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,640
home. That's

549
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» Even if they have multiple home.

550
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,400
» Okay. Uh zoning permit for

551
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:40,559
non-residential just like the one for

552
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,799
residential increasing from $300 to 310.

553
00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:44,880
Driveway permits. That was really odd.

554
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:48,240
Uh the township last year uh was

555
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:51,200
charging $2,500 for a driveway permit. I

556
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,280
can't imagine why. The new fee is $310

557
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,799
and we're requiring an escrow in the

558
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,640
event that something's needed from the

559
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:58,320
county traffic engineer. The person

560
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,039
applying for the permit will pay the

561
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:04,240
actual cost and not a penny more. Uh but

562
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:07,360
that $2,500 fee wasn't appropriate. A

563
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,440
reinspection fee uh increased from $200

564
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:13,559
to $250.

565
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,559
And that's it for page four.

566
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,039
Page five, the bridge weight limit. We

567
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,440
had charged $1,000

568
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:24,159
uh last year proposed 300 with that

569
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,880
escrow. Again, I don't know the thinking

570
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:29,039
behind last year's uh number, but it

571
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,840
just it doesn't make sense. uh

572
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:35,440
demolition permit uh increasing from

573
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:39,520
$200 to $300 for residential,

574
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:41,440
decreasing from $500 to uh $300 for

575
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,200
non-residential. There's really no

576
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,600
difference in the service we provide

577
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,280
with those two uses. And so they're the

578
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,120
uh they're the same. There is an

579
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,159
additional escrow there needed again to

580
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:54,720
pay any actual cost that we incur in uh

581
00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:56,720
in doing that. Uh but that is just to

582
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,360
reimburse ourselves for our consultants

583
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,240
work if any. uh the balance of escros of

584
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:04,080
course are returned to folks in full. Uh

585
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,919
further down on page five you see the

586
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,240
two new additions above ground storage

587
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:11,039
tank and below ground storage tank.

588
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,799
Those are new uh as was noted earlier.

589
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,200
Uh two down from there the bed and

590
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:18,240
breakfast registration fee. Uh that was

591
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,799
omitted on past year's uh fee schedules.

592
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,159
We've made the correction here. Uh

593
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:26,240
special events fees uh for temporary uh

594
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:28,880
fee temporary special events up to seven

595
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,159
days. the same 100 uh for seasonal

596
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:36,520
events 8 days to 180 days it increased

597
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:36,520
to 150 from 100

598
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,640
» Was special event on there before

599
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,799
» Yes

600
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,080
» Okay I don't see it

601
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:47,279
» I think it was listed under special

602
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,159
zoning

603
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:51,679
» Okay

604
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:54,480
» Uh storm water um management now these

605
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:56,400
are the permits that um the residents

606
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,440
apply for talk about the simplified that

607
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,640
plan. Uh last year we had a lot of

608
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,720
residents coming in here doing

609
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,640
simplified storm water management and

610
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,720
they apply for a permit. Uh if they're

611
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,159
doing a swimming pool or if they're

612
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,880
doing uh a deck uh that is considered uh

613
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:15,919
impervious or a patio or a very modest

614
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,240
addition, anything uh up to uh anything

615
00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:19,600
between two 1,000 and 2,000 square feet.

616
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,760
And there are many folks that have to do

617
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,360
this. We're decreasing that fee from

618
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,760
$1,000

619
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,760
to $450.

620
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:30,080
for the storm water management

621
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,120
application non-simplified the bigger

622
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:36,440
things we're decreasing that from $3500

623
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,440
to $750

624
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:42,640
subdivision and land development

625
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,960
approvals application fee base fees have

626
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,799
been consolidated so the numbers there

627
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,360
if we look at it kind of like apples to

628
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:52,720
oranges but uh generally they're going

629
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:54,480
down in fact I don't know any of the

630
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840
small subdivision fees or land

631
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,400
development fees that we charged are

632
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,840
going up. We adjusted escros where

633
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,919
appropriate, but again, that's not a

634
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,440
fee. Those things are posted to

635
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:06,240
reimburse the township for actual

636
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:09,200
expenses. And what we don't get uh what

637
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,840
we get reimbursed for is the actual cost

638
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,640
to um for our consultants to provide

639
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,720
that service.

640
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,200
Uh we'll go now. No other changes until

641
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,000
you get down to page seven.

642
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,159
Zoning hearing board and other appeals.

643
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,200
Um

644
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:29,279
I don't know how much time the township

645
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,600
previous managers township secretary

646
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:34,720
spent uh looking at the zoning hearing

647
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,279
board fees, the UCCC fees, uh board of

648
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,120
appeal fees, conditional use fees. Um

649
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,200
but that we can charge is set by state

650
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:43,039
law in specific the municipalities

651
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,360
planning code. If you open up that state

652
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:49,600
law that says municipalities, you have

653
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:52,000
the right, sole right to write the laws,

654
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,679
but the cost if somebody wants to

655
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,240
challenge the laws, ask for a variance,

656
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:58,000
ask for a special exception to defend

657
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,279
that solicitor bills and so forth,

658
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,600
that's your burden, [clears throat]

659
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:04,880
» Right? In exchange for giving you the

660
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,760
right to write the rules, the cost to

661
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,760
defend the rules is yours. Uh, and the

662
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,320
board and the uh planning code is very

663
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,840
specific. uh we can include in the cost

664
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,600
that we charge to people that go to the

665
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,440
zoning hearing board to go to the UCCC

666
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,679
board of appeals to go to the board of

667
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,440
supervisors when it's in a quasi

668
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:24,159
judicial uh proceeding like a

669
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,480
conditional use application one half of

670
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:29,039
the court reporters appearance fee. we

671
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,679
can uh require somebody to pay us the

672
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:33,440
cost of the legal fee, the mailings that

673
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:35,919
are sent to neighbors, the physical

674
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,440
posting of the property, stipens that

675
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:39,679
are paid to the zoning hearing board, if

676
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,480
any, we do and certain administrative

677
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:45,520
expenses. So, uh when you take a look at

678
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:49,200
these uh filing fees, they're uh they're

679
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,600
decreasing um for uh residential and for

680
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,640
non-residential applications to the uh

681
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:58,880
to the zoning hearing board. Um and we

682
00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:02,000
have added the fee to readvertise and

683
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,520
rightsize those in case uh the zoning

684
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,080
hearing board and board has to meet

685
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,080
again at a future meeting with public

686
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,799
notice required.

687
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,679
So for example uh the township fee

688
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:15,440
schedule if I'm recalling at $3,000 fee

689
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:17,039
for nonresidential

690
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,480
applications to the zoning hearing board

691
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:21,919
that goes down uh to uh to $1,600.

692
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,559
Actually, I understand correct the

693
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:28,080
residential goes up a 100 uh from six

694
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:29,840
from 1,500 to $1,600.

695
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,559
And again, that is taking a look at our

696
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,520
actual expenses permitted by law that

697
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:38,320
can be given to uh to a person to pay.

698
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,799
And those are uh those are good numbers.

699
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,240
Um at the bottom of page seven, an

700
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,919
application to amend the zoning

701
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,159
ordinance or zoning map. We didn't have

702
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:47,760
anything of the fee schedule last year,

703
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:50,080
so we had to make sure that that was

704
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,679
added. zoning officer determination

705
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,200
letter. Uh that is likewise uh new for

706
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:58,320
folks that want an official zoning

707
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:02,000
determination. Uh if they uh if they

708
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:05,120
request that the fee is $130. And then

709
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:10,080
lastly on page eight

710
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:13,039
um one new fee and one lower fee. Copy

711
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,760
fees uh decreased. We had a fee in there

712
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:18,399
for color copies which uh the law didn't

713
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,559
permit. Uh and frankly was much greater

714
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:23,039
than what we were charging. Uh so that

715
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:27,039
is now black or white or copy is 25

716
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:28,559
cents uh a copy. We pay about one and a

717
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:33,600
half pennies for black and white and

718
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:35,360
about 5 12 pennies for um per color. Um

719
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,240
and then of course the the paper and the

720
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,159
and and the toner and so forth. Um the

721
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,440
finance department there is a uh new

722
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:45,200
charge there uh an escrow release fee of

723
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,720
6750.

724
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,120
Uh the parks department community garden

725
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,159
this is one of those consolidations

726
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,919
uh for township residents uh last year

727
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:59,440
for the two plots 20x 10 and 20 by 20.

728
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:02,240
Um, [clears throat] the township, if you

729
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,559
include the $50 equipment fee that was

730
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:10,480
part of the fee schedule, is going from

731
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:13,520
$85 to $75 for a 20x10 plot and from $95

732
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,679
to $85 for township residents for a 20x

733
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,720
20 plot. Uh, similar decrease for

734
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:21,919
non-residents. Um, I'm sorry, it's an

735
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:26,159
increase for non-residents. uh those uh

736
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:30,640
those numbers are going from 105 to 115

737
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:32,799
and uh 115 to 125. And just as a note,

738
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,200
we did some numbers uh took into

739
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:38,159
consideration our true cost to maintain

740
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,919
that facility. Uh and it averages about

741
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:42,320
$176

742
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:44,559
a plot. So we we made that a little

743
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,760
adjustment to the non-residents. Um, and

744
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,760
we break that down residents and

745
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,440
non-residents because the residents of

746
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,880
our community are paying to us some

747
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,960
additional tax dollars. There should be

748
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,320
some consideration given to those folks

749
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,679
by way of a lower fee.

750
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,399
» You think the gardeners are going to get

751
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:59,360
more service this year as well as you're

752
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,320
changing?

753
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,399
» Yeah. So, we

754
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,039
» Which you think will help maintain the

755
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:04,799
garden better.

756
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,640
» Yeah. So, so, so public works department

757
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,399
will be maintaining the entire garden.

758
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,039
And when we met with the uh the group of

759
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:12,080
folks who oversee the community garden a

760
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,600
few weeks ago, they were they were

761
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,159
thrilled. Now they can just focus on

762
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,679
their plots.

763
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:16,640
» I think the neighbors will be thrilled

764
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:19,440
too.

765
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,520
» Yep. Uh the police department uh fees

766
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,240
that are on here haven't uh changed. The

767
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,200
chief thinks that they are sufficient as

768
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,520
adopted last year. Um page nine just

769
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,840
includes some fee schedule notes. Uh

770
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,000
some of which were on last year's uh fee

771
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,480
schedule, others are fairly common. What

772
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,120
we do is we ask the uh the permit uh

773
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,960
director to take a look and try to um

774
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,120
anticipate any questions that people may

775
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,200
ask. better be a little proactive in

776
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,559
giving people information instead of

777
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,200
having done that and say well what

778
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:51,919
happens when or if so those things are

779
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,080
included here. So looking over

780
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:55,840
everything uh there's just a handful

781
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,399
that have increased and that number is

782
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,960
modest. The majority of of fees that

783
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:03,840
have changed uh have been lowered.

784
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,480
» Well sorry to bug the meeting down first

785
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,640
of all. [laughter] Second, uh,

786
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,480
» Thank you for taking the time to have

787
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,640
gone through all this before the meeting

788
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,519
to change these prices. On balance, it

789
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:18,000
looks like it'll be maybe not a tax

790
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:20,159
decrease to us, but, uh, we can also say

791
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,360
a revenue decrease to the township

792
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:25,919
possibly. Um, my only other question is,

793
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,039
uh, where do we go for definitions of

794
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:29,919
these things? Like it just says

795
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:31,840
driveway. If somebody was redoing their

796
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:34,159
driveway or, you know, how do we know

797
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,519
what special events are? If if we're

798
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:36,399
having a wedding on our property and put

799
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:36,799
up a tent,

800
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:38,559
» Yeah,

801
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,799
» How do we know what qualifies?

802
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,960
» You call and ask. In fact, just today I

803
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,720
received a question about what's needed

804
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,720
if there is a wedding on my property.

805
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,799
It's it's family. It's no different than

806
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,320
a party and I noted. But if there is a

807
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,080
tent, we do have a permit required for

808
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,200
tent. So, if you need clarification, you

809
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,760
just call us.

810
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,519
» But but and that's fine. That's good.

811
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,960
But but there's no place that we could

812
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,279
look at right now. Like if we're

813
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,720
thinking about redoing our driveway,

814
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:05,440
yes, we can call you, but is there a

815
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,480
place where things are defined on on on

816
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,600
online? Okay.

817
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,440
» Yeah.

818
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,519
» Okay. I know what sometimes in the

819
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,200
township newsletter it has it's done

820
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,480
done that with driveways spec

821
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,480
specifically, but

822
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,480
» Okay.

823
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,279
» I just wanted to ask one more question

824
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,120
on that too.

825
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:25,679
» Did the change in engineer make any

826
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,960
difference in in the fee schedule?

827
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:34,159
» Well, that was one of the factors. Um

828
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:35,760
but um it's um it's not um

829
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:37,360
it's not something that's worked into

830
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,480
the building permits because the

831
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,640
engineer sees two things generally the

832
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:46,000
subdivision and land development side.

833
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,600
So our our building inspector hasn't

834
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,880
changed. It was error last year.

835
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,480
» These were actual

836
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,880
» Yeah. So, so, so these are these are

837
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,399
costs associated with uh when you take a

838
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,919
look at the building permits and zoning

839
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:59,039
permits, primarily your building

840
00:33:55,919 --> 00:34:01,039
inspector and uh your uh your zoning

841
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,320
officer, permit director.

842
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,480
» Thank you.

843
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:08,000
» Good evening. Um storage tanks, does it

844
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,919
matter what's in them?

845
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,599
» Uh anything but propane because that's

846
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:12,560
covered under a separate state law. We

847
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:16,800
don't touch that.

848
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:19,119
» Okay. And uh water. people have water

849
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,599
storage things for rain garden or

850
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,200
something.

851
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,800
» I'd have to look at it. I can't recall

852
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,760
ever being asked about that. Like a

853
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,879
sistern,

854
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,760
» Something like that.

855
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:26,079
» Consider that this.

856
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,639
» Okay.

857
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,399
» Yeah.

858
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,440
» And I mean obviously petroleum you want

859
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:29,839
to know, but

860
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,599
» Yes.

861
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:33,359
» So propane is not covered.

862
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,119
» That's that's a separate uh part of

863
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:35,679
state law. Somebody else not deals with

864
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:36,240
propane.

865
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,159
» Okay. Thank you.

866
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:41,399
» Thank you. Any other questions on that?

867
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,399
Please schedule.

868
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,679
Just a quick question about the escrow

869
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,960
release

870
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,839
» I'm sorry could could you give us your

871
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,480
» It's my name is Victoria Baker um the

872
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:54,399
escro release fee just curious about why

873
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,159
that's being added

874
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:59,119
» Because the finance director spends

875
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:01,680
approximately an hour reconciling each

876
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:03,920
uh escrow account before it's released.

877
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,400
» So it's a it's it's a new charge just

878
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,680
brought about this year just because

879
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,920
that came to

880
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,000
» It's your attention. It's a cost that's

881
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,760
attributable to a specific project and

882
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,599
just like any other cost attributable to

883
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,960
a project that's drawn from an ASP.

884
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,000
» Okay. Thank you.

885
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,760
» You anyone else?

886
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:26,240
» Okay. Seeing none, I think we have a

887
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,599
motion on the table. We have a second.

888
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,640
» All in favor?

889
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:32,040
» I.

890
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,040
» Motion passes.

891
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:37,680
» Okay. Can we have a motion to approve

892
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:40,160
resolution 32026 to appoint Mali

893
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,680
Accountants Advisors to prepare the

894
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,920
township audit for fiscal year 2025 and

895
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,720
to provide other related services as may

896
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,720
be required?

897
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,240
» So moved. Second.

898
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:53,240
» All in favor?

899
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,240
» I.

900
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:59,119
A motion to approve resolution 42026 to

901
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,960
renew the term of the township manager

902
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:03,839
employment agreement and to revise

903
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,079
certain terms of this agreement.

904
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,960
» So move second.

905
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:07,599
» All in favor?

906
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,599
» I

907
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,599
» I

908
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,440
approved

909
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,680
Pennsylvania Labor Relations Board

910
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,000
petition. A motion to authorize Township

911
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,560
Labor Council to file a petition to the

912
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,400
Pennsylvania Labor Relations Board as to

913
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,960
the position of director of codes

914
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,200
permitting and zoning.

915
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,079
» So moved. Second.

916
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,640
» All in favor?

917
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,640
» I I

918
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,599
also Pennsylvania Labor Relations Board

919
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,520
petition a motion to the township

920
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,755
solicitor. Is that

921
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,680
» The heading is not correct? No.

922
00:36:44,755 --> 00:36:48,240
[clears throat]

923
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,280
Okay. What's it's regarding the township

924
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,079
solicitor to post

925
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,599
» Estimated

926
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,720
» Correct? Mr. Heading is not right. Go

927
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,520
ahead.

928
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,400
» Reading the motion.

929
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,320
» Yeah. Okay. Forget that.

930
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,720
» A motion to authorize the township

931
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,960
solicitor to post estimated just

932
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,119
compensation for the acquisition of

933
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,040
rightaway and a temporary construction

934
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,640
easement for the Buttonwood Bridge

935
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,839
replacement project.

936
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,680
» So moved.

937
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:12,720
» Definitely not the same thing. All in

938
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:17,640
favor? I

939
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:17,640
» I motion passes.

940
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:23,760
» We're up to public comment. Does anyone

941
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:26,920
have public comment?

942
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,920
Come on.

943
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:34,240
This is for non-aggenda items.

944
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,079
» So, I have a question on right to knows.

945
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,760
uh your right to know form that's on the

946
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:39,599
website actually has a check box that

947
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,800
says please send your uh the response

948
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:46,800
via email and US mail. Um when the email

949
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,560
box is checked, why are we not receiving

950
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,280
it via email and we're only receiving it

951
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,280
via via USPS?

952
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,359
» I think that's for our right to know

953
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,760
officer.

954
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:59,680
» The form that's posted on our website is

955
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,240
the form that's approved by the office

956
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,800
of open records. when we receive any

957
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:06,720
request, we follow the right to know law

958
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,640
and the steps that the right to know law

959
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,880
enumerates be taken.

960
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,440
» So my question again is when you have

961
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,680
that check box on there that the person

962
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,359
that's filling it out says please send

963
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,680
response via email US mail and you can

964
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:24,960
check one. Why is it when email is

965
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:27,200
checked, we're getting it response USPS?

966
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,119
» Well, we send things by mail. Even if

967
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,480
they say they want a response by email,

968
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,880
you're going to go against what's on the

969
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,240
form.

970
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,119
» I do. Yes.

971
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,560
» Okay.

972
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,400
» There's no requirement under the right

973
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,320
to no law to send things by email.

974
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,200
» There is not unless they're requesting

975
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,480
uh documents that are digitally but not

976
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,640
responses.

977
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,640
» Yeah. I'm just saying. Okay.

978
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,920
» Does it make sense to take the check box

979
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,359
off? Well, that's not public.

980
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,760
» No, we use the state form.

981
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:57,440
» Okay. That is the form. Okay. Thank you.

982
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,040
You can shut this down because it was an

983
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,800
agenda item, but I'm just I'm still

984
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,599
confused about the definitions where

985
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,800
somebody where it says driveway.

986
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,880
I'm just thinking if there's somebody

987
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,760
who wants to do something or electrical

988
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,359
wants to do something minor,

989
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,680
if they call in, they might feel like

990
00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:15,599
they're

991
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,880
opening themselves up to getting a fee

992
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,520
where if they had just gone ahead and

993
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,480
done it, they wouldn't have they would

994
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,040
try to get away with it. Can they and we

995
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,400
all know that happens. Is there a place

996
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,040
where we can come and see where the

997
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,200
definitions of these things are without

998
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,200
coming in and asking the question?

999
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,520
» Well, I defer to the council solicitor

1000
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,640
on definitions of common words and

1001
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,119
usages. And

1002
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,320
» So talk just use electrical if somebody

1003
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,640
wants to rewire something in their

1004
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,560
house.

1005
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,560
» Well, I I can tell you with electrical

1006
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,400
um and that's governed by what the uh

1007
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,640
the building code would require be

1008
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,119
permitted. And if folks said, "Hey, I

1009
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,560
have a question regarding doing this."

1010
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,760
That would go to the building inspector

1011
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,640
and the building inspector would take a

1012
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,400
look at the building code and say,

1013
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,320
"Under the building code, if you want to

1014
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,160
make that sort of approvement."

1015
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,119
» Okay. And there would be a fee because

1016
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,920
they were called.

1017
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:06,240
» It would be no a question like that. No.

1018
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,079
» Okay.

1019
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,880
» No, the fee is paid when the application

1020
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:09,680
comes in.

1021
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,280
» Okay.

1022
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,320
» Okay. Driveway.

1023
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:17,040
» Well, driveway is a common term, so I'm

1024
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,640
not sure where the confusion would be.

1025
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,280
Well, there's a lot of ways to patch

1026
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,960
one's driveway as opposed to resealing

1027
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,119
it, as opposed to repaving it, as

1028
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,119
opposed to redirecting it. So, there's

1029
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,800
four different examples of driveway.

1030
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,280
» And I think the problem with that is

1031
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,320
that to have definitions now that are

1032
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,920
explain all of that gets to be

1033
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,839
overburdensome

1034
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,520
and overly complicated when a phone call

1035
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,880
can answer the question. So can't

1036
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,720
anticipate but you can't always

1037
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,000
anticipate all of the questions someone

1038
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:50,480
might have concerning all those kind of

1039
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,440
things right there there are common

1040
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,880
common terms then

1041
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,240
» If you're deal coding it it's not a

1042
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,880
problem if they're not changing

1043
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,560
something about

1044
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,960
» Well that's what I mean I don't not here

1045
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,400
to argue each individual thing I just

1046
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,680
I'm surprised to hear a lawyer say that

1047
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,359
I don't mean this in a negative way it's

1048
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,800
just like legal lawyers usually want

1049
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:08,160
everything spelled out very carefully

1050
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,040
and you're saying well we'll just sort

1051
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,200
of take it on there's

1052
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,440
» Practicality to

1053
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,359
There really is.

1054
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,599
» Okay.

1055
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:20,880
Okay. Just seem well seems like from one

1056
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,400
year to the next you could get a

1057
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,760
different response if you talk to

1058
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,119
especially a different township manager.

1059
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,079
It just seems like we ought to there

1060
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,480
ought to be a place where we can come

1061
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:30,319
and look something up to see what what

1062
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,640
what the definitions of these things

1063
00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:34,240
are. But whatever just an observation

1064
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,760
» Could always call Jason and come sit

1065
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,839
down, talk with him about some questions

1066
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,319
because he's really very personable and

1067
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,119
» Okay

1068
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:41,200
» Knowledgeable.

1069
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,359
» All right. And he's also not going to

1070
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,000
write down Jamie might be doing this

1071
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:44,640
work.

1072
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,119
» Okay. [laughter]

1073
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,720
All right.

1074
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:51,440
» He's not like that. Thank you.

1075
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:55,040
» Um I also want to echo my concern about

1076
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,760
the right to know response form. Um just

1077
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,079
as a courtesy to the residents, you it's

1078
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,599
really minimal amount of extra work on

1079
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,079
the township. The mail here is very

1080
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:06,240
slow. It could take a week to get a post

1081
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:09,040
postal delivery.

1082
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,720
Um, I mean that's significant and it's

1083
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,599
acknowledged by everyone. Everyone knows

1084
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:16,079
that the mail is very slow lately. You

1085
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,839
have the form.

1086
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,079
» You could email it. You could email it

1087
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:22,000
and post it. You can't say that posting

1088
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,680
it gives you a confirmation that you did

1089
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,520
it because it's not sent with any kind

1090
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:29,760
of confirmation for delivery. So, the

1091
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,240
email is no worse

1092
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,560
than that. It seems like the only reason

1093
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,560
to not do that would be to slow the

1094
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440
transfer of information, which I don't

1095
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,119
think we want to do.

1096
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,400
» To come pick it up.

1097
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,119
» Is that an option?

1098
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200
» Sure.

1099
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,880
» Could you speak into the microphone? We

1100
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,720
can hardly hear you back here.

1101
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,640
» There is always the option to come pick

1102
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,319
it up if you're concerned about the

1103
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,319
speed of delivery of your postal

1104
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:55,200
service. But if you'd like to come pick

1105
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:57,599
it up, indicated you'll pick it up. So,

1106
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,440
» Can I ask you say I've never done a

1107
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:01,680
right to know, so I don't know what it's

1108
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,880
like. And we are not the board does not

1109
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,560
get involved and we don't

1110
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,760
» No, but the board sets policy.

1111
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,079
» Well, I'm no policy. That's a state.

1112
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,720
» Well, but as a courtesy, they could ask

1113
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,920
you to email potentially.

1114
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,040
» I just have a question.

1115
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,800
» The board is not going to be in a

1116
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,400
position to tell what the right the

1117
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,000
right to know officer how he should

1118
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,079
perform his duties.

1119
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,280
» Well, state law will do that. not the

1120
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,280
perview of work.

1121
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:30,240
» Well, my my question would be um

1122
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,000
when you when you do complete it, do you

1123
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,640
email a person that it's completed and

1124
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,920
something was sent?

1125
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,200
» No, they get a mail.

1126
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,079
» Okay. They just get it when they get it

1127
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,599
in the mail.

1128
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:40,319
» Okay. Is that something that could be

1129
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,200
considered that to email them that I

1130
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:44,640
have mailed it?

1131
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:47,680
» Continue to mail.

1132
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,280
» If you were to come and pick it up, how

1133
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,520
would we notify you of that?

1134
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,960
» I call you

1135
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,319
But how would you know we wanted that

1136
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,760
instead of it?

1137
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:58,720
» Let me know. Write it on the form.

1138
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,640
» On the form. Okay. So, but there's no

1139
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:02,240
checkbox. Just added in as a verbal.

1140
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,880
» Yeah, that's fine.

1141
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,880
» Okay. Thank you.

1142
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,359
» Do we have any other comments tonight?

1143
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,240
» My name is Brian Hankis. I'm from

1144
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:25,119
Remington Drive. Um my question is

1145
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:28,240
regarding escros.

1146
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:30,480
So you guys are taking escros for site

1147
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:33,200
development, home improvements, whatever

1148
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,680
it is. Who's managing and controlling

1149
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,520
and overseeing the return of the escros

1150
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:41,520
and the inspections that are required to

1151
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,839
get escros returned?

1152
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,200
» So for certain projects, not all, but

1153
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:46,960
for certain projects,

1154
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,160
» Let's say site development just

1155
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,000
» Say a subdivision plan. So the uh the

1156
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,240
property owner, the owner and equity

1157
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,720
developer will post an escrow with the

1158
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:58,960
township. Part of that agreement is uh

1159
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,720
posting a certain amount and agreeing to

1160
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,520
replenish the escrow when the balance

1161
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:06,960
falls to a certain amount uh usually uh

1162
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:11,359
50%. Uh when the township receives uh an

1163
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:14,000
invoice for uh charges uh for a project,

1164
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:16,000
um those invoices are reviewed uh and

1165
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,119
approved for payment by me. The township

1166
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,680
pays the township's consultant. The

1167
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:25,359
finance director then makes the entry

1168
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:28,400
into the escrow account or the escrow uh

1169
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:30,160
party and sends to the escrow party uh a

1170
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,319
copy of the invoice for their review so

1171
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,000
they know what was deducted from their

1172
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:35,280
account. And if they have any questions,

1173
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,119
that's the opportunity to ask, well,

1174
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,920
what's this charge of that charge? Uh

1175
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:42,240
the township charges the actual fee that

1176
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,920
we pay. So we pay our consultants and we

1177
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,760
reimburse ourselves. We don't ask our

1178
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,880
consultants to go out and chase those

1179
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,480
dollars. That's the purpose.

1180
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,200
» Yeah, I actually understand all that,

1181
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,440
but who oversees the inspections that

1182
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,520
are done through the escrow. So,

1183
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,880
» It it depends. It's um it could be the

1184
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,040
township engineer. It could be the

1185
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,720
township traffic engineer. With some

1186
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,480
projects, there are there are documents

1187
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,160
and agreements that are required to be

1188
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,880
reviewed and that would fall to the

1189
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,200
township solicitor. Um so, it's it's

1190
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,319
going to be one of our consultants. Um

1191
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,480
my time is not drawn from the escrow. my

1192
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:17,920
time is built into the fee for whatever

1193
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,599
application is being made. Um but uh

1194
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,480
every everybody else is is the

1195
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,720
consultant.

1196
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,520
» Well, so we have a situation on our

1197
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,800
street where it was the development plan

1198
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,680
was by Tom Bentley.

1199
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,960
» Yeah.

1200
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:35,440
» Um everything in the agreement says it

1201
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:37,359
the township states specifications for

1202
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,640
uh the development plan, whether it be

1203
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:42,800
storm water. I'm more particularly

1204
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,480
um concerned about the street. So there

1205
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,800
are specifications on what your

1206
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,079
requirements are to meet for the

1207
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,560
construction of the street, the

1208
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:54,960
subgrade, the um material used, the

1209
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,119
binder coat, the wear course on the

1210
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,720
black top. Who inspects that before they

1211
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,960
give the escrow money back?

1212
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:03,040
» It' be generally the township engineer.

1213
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,440
» So if that wasn't done and the money was

1214
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,359
returned, whose responsibility does that

1215
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,599
fall under? who was the negligent party

1216
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:10,319
there that did not give the proper

1217
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,079
inspection.

1218
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:13,280
» So, I I I haven't spoken to you about

1219
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,200
this, but I believe you've been in

1220
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,760
contact with with Jason in our office.

1221
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,400
» We have.

1222
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,319
» Okay. So, this is this a private road?

1223
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,520
» Uh it's a private road, but under the

1224
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:26,880
agreement, uh the development agreement,

1225
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:30,960
the the requirements for the township

1226
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:33,680
requirements for the driveways and roads

1227
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,680
are still supposed to be met. And

1228
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:40,319
there's actually uh line items on the

1229
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:43,760
escros for a wear course, a binder

1230
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:45,359
course, a subgrade. So those things

1231
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,800
should have all been inspected before

1232
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:48,960
the money was returned.

1233
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,280
» And again, refresh my memory. This this

1234
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,560
goes back how many years? It's not it's

1235
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,839
not a recent

1236
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,560
» More than 10 years. Okay.

1237
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,319
» But the development

1238
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,839
» Well, development hasn't been done yet.

1239
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:59,280
Yeah. The development's only been done

1240
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,960
in the last two years.

1241
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,119
» Okay. So the escrow would have been

1242
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,400
posted. a certain type of escrow would

1243
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,560
have been posted when the subdivision

1244
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,319
was proposed. A different type of

1245
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,440
security and improvement security would

1246
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:14,319
have been posted in advance of uh the uh

1247
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,560
the work on the road. Um Jason's

1248
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:18,880
reviewed this and he spoke to me about

1249
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,720
it briefly and all of those escrow

1250
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,079
dollars have been released. I think he

1251
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,960
told you there's there's nothing that we

1252
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,640
have.

1253
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,880
» The problem is is the require the

1254
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,520
township requirements were never met.

1255
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,079
So, who inspected that and signed off on

1256
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,680
releasing the funds when it hasn't been

1257
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,119
» Met? I understand the question.

1258
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,319
» Now, to fix the street, it's going to be

1259
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:39,760
over $200,000 and there's five houses on

1260
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:44,160
the street.

1261
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,440
» So, I mean, who pays for that? Like,

1262
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,640
shouldn't the builder have paid it? He

1263
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,760
was obligated to fulfill that uh

1264
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,640
standard set forth by the township and

1265
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,040
agreed upon.

1266
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,720
Yeah, I understand the question.

1267
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,800
» Okay.

1268
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:02,559
» So, who's responsible for that? It's

1269
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,559
» A hard hard question to answer without

1270
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:07,920
all the facts in front of us.

1271
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:09,520
» So, how long ago was it done?

1272
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,040
» The last house was built two years ago.

1273
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,079
» When was the work when was the work

1274
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,760
done?

1275
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,720
» The last house the work was completed

1276
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,880
two years ago.

1277
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,359
» When was the street paved? When it was

1278
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,720
where

1279
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:23,839
» It's never been top coated.

1280
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:25,680
» It's falling apart. So, it had a wear it

1281
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:26,960
had it didn't have a wear code. It had a

1282
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,440
binder code put down.

1283
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,839
» When did they get the rest code?

1284
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:35,200
» Good question. It's not disclosed in the

1285
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:37,280
information that we were given.

1286
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,440
» We did file for our information, paid

1287
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,079
the fees and did come and pick them up.

1288
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,000
We did not wait to have them mailed to

1289
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:46,640
us

1290
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
or emailed which wouldn't have happened.

1291
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,520
» Well, we'll have to get back to you.

1292
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,440
That's the first I'm hearing about. I'll

1293
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,240
have to talk to Tommy about it. Yeah, I

1294
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,720
appreciate that.

1295
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,440
» Right.

1296
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:56,440
» Thank you.

1297
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,440
» Thanks.

1298
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,440
» Anyone else?

1299
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,800
» Okay, our next meeting is going to be

1300
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,880
Monday, January 19th at 6 PM at the

1301
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:12,480
township building and it will start as a

1302
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,160
work session at 6. Um, I believe we are

1303
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,119
doing that, right? It says needed, but I

1304
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,119
believe we are doing that. And then, uh,

1305
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,839
at 7 o'clock will be the official

1306
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:22,960
meeting. So hope to see you all there.

1307
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:23,839
Thank you very much.

1308
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,000
» To adjourn.

1309
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:27,000
» You're adjourned.