[0:05] Good evening everyone. Welcome to the
[0:07] board of supervisors first meeting of
[0:10] the year. Please rise.
[0:15] » Aliance to the flag of the United States
[0:18] of America and to the stand
[0:24] indivisible.
[0:36] Believe it or not, I don't think we had
[0:37] any executive sessions, [laughter]
[0:41] but a few few announcements. I did want
[0:43] to start off with some good news. Uh we
[0:46] just received the grant money uh which
[0:49] which Jim Wendlegas was helpful in
[0:52] requesting when he was manager for the
[0:54] LSA grant. That's the local share grant
[0:57] uh which comes from the gaming money and
[0:59] we received $120,000
[1:02] for the compact track loader and $64,000
[1:06] for the police vehicle. So So that's
[1:08] terrific. Um, this evening's meeting is
[1:12] being recorded for rebroadcast
[1:17] and also wanted to just wish everyone a
[1:19] happy new year and remind you you're
[1:22] want to dispose of your trees. We're
[1:24] accepting them right out front here.
[1:25] Just no tinsel. So, we're going to move
[1:29] right on to public comment. Does anyone
[1:31] have public comment on any of the uh
[1:34] items that are coming up tonight?
[1:42] Christina Casey, West Vincent resident.
[1:44] I've got a couple. Um,
[1:47] Open Space Review Board. There are two
[1:49] new positions that are being added to
[1:51] this committee.
[1:52] Um,
[1:54] both of the positions are spouses of uh
[1:57] of current supervisors. Um, there's
[2:00] quite a few that they're on. My question
[2:02] is I saw that there's some vacancies.
[2:04] Um, is was that intentional? because I
[2:06] know I talked to somebody who was not
[2:08] reappointed who was looking to get
[2:09] reappointed on a committee and was not.
[2:11] » Okay. Well, would you like me to explain
[2:13] what
[2:14] » Sure.
[2:14] » Sure. So, uh, we actually have merged
[2:18] the trails committee into the open space
[2:22] committee.
[2:24] So, it's not so much of an appointment
[2:26] as they were moved there and eliminated
[2:29] a committee entirely.
[2:32] » Okay. Um, as for people that might have
[2:34] applied for other positions on other
[2:36] committees that didn't get filled but
[2:37] have vacancies,
[2:38] » I'm not aware of anyone but one person
[2:40] who I did talk to about it already being
[2:42] full at open space but to please come.
[2:44] » It wasn't open space. It was a different
[2:45] committee, but I can have them contact
[2:46] you. I know I know Whitney had had was
[2:48] kind of wondering why she didn't get
[2:50] appointed back to traffic safety.
[2:51] » Oh, I had heard that she wasn't
[2:53] interested.
[2:53] » Oh, no. She said she was she actually
[2:54] heard from me today that said that uh
[2:57] that I said, "Oh, she's not coming back.
[2:59] » There's two openings."
[3:00] » All right. Well, I will let her know.
[3:02] » Also, there are other openings and we're
[3:04] not completely done.
[3:05] » I will let her know.
[3:06] » Sure.
[3:07] » Um, the appointments now show creation
[3:10] of a new position. It's called the storm
[3:11] water enforcement officer. Um, who
[3:14] happens to be happens to be the same
[3:15] company as the assistant CEO. Um, why is
[3:18] this new position being added?
[3:21] » I'll let you explain that one.
[3:22] » The township engineer traditionally is
[3:25] the storm water enforcement officer. uh
[3:28] the township engineer takes the lead on
[3:30] all the applications made under our
[3:32] storm water ordinance. Uh so uh he is
[3:35] appointed to that position.
[3:37] » So so LTL will no longer be in that
[3:39] position of doing storm water.
[3:42] » No.
[3:42] » Okay.
[3:43] » We did replace them as our township
[3:44] bench.
[3:45] » Okay. Just checking.
[3:45] » Said that at our last meeting.
[3:46] » Yep.
[3:48] » Um there's a new $75 BM registration fee
[3:51] that's indicated in the fee schedule. uh
[3:54] who's going to be contacting all the
[3:55] B&Bs in the township to collect these
[3:57] fees or is that going to be up to the
[3:59] residents to identify and alert the
[4:02] township
[4:06] » The enforcement on that?
[4:07] » Yeah, Jason's position.
[4:09] » So, we should send all those uh leads to
[4:11] Jason who will follow up on those.
[4:13] » Jason is the director of
[4:15] » I understand and I'm asking who do we
[4:17] send them? So, we send them to Jason and
[4:18] he will be following up and collecting
[4:19] the fees.
[4:20] » You can send information to Jason.
[4:22] » Okay. So, we'll be policing that. Um,
[4:28] okay. The increase in the manager's
[4:31] compensation for no cause employment
[4:32] separation from 2 to 4 months. Um,
[4:36] curious behind the logic behind that.
[4:39] » Below the industry standard even at four
[4:40] months.
[4:41] » Okay.
[4:43] Uh, when the manager was
[4:45] » Has up to a year.
[4:47] » Yeah. The police police do a very hard
[4:49] job out here. I totally agree with that.
[4:51] When the manager was hired, it was noted
[4:53] that he would be taking over as zoning
[4:54] officer for the township. It was
[4:55] something that the board had had
[4:56] stressed. Um, now it appears that uh
[4:59] that's now being slid over to the
[5:01] previous permit clerk who he said is uh
[5:03] the director now zoning. [snorts] Um but
[5:05] now we have two assistants which are
[5:07] going to be the township manager and
[5:10] that other firm as a backup. So um how
[5:14] did this come about when I thought that
[5:15] the manager was going to be the zoning
[5:18] officer?
[5:20] Jason's position was promoted and it's
[5:22] as part of his new [clears throat] job
[5:23] description.
[5:24] » So, you're having that portion taken
[5:25] away and Jason's going to be doing that
[5:26] part of the job.
[5:27] » I'll be the deputy assistant.
[5:28] » Deputy. Okay. So,
[5:30] » All right. Deputy.
[5:33] Okay.
[5:37] » Okay. I'll be back up in a little bit.
[5:40] » Okay. And by the way, you mentioned
[5:42] something that I did want to talk about,
[5:44] which was the the fees. There's a large
[5:46] change in the fee schedule. if anyone uh
[5:50] took the time to notice these have been
[5:52] drastically reduced overall and that's
[5:54] that's basically from an analysis to
[5:56] find that we were overcharging our
[5:58] residents.
[6:00] » We can talk about that when we get to
[6:01] it. Tommy will explain it.
[6:05] Anyone else public comment?
[6:09] Okay, seeing none, uh we're going to
[6:12] move on and uh I would like to appoint a
[6:16] temporary chair, right? I would like to
[6:18] transfer
[6:20] all in favor.
[6:23] » All in favor?
[6:24] » I
[6:24] » I
[6:32] Yes. Uh board of supervisors chair. A
[6:35] motion to appoint the
[6:39] uh I'll pick Dana as board supervisor
[6:42] chair for 2026.
[6:45] Second.
[6:47] All in favor? I I
[6:49] » Okay, good. You got it back.
[6:51] » Okay, congratulations. And now, thank
[6:53] you. [clears throat] Now, we're going to
[6:54] appoint a vice chair. And I would like
[6:58] to nominate Colon Cororus for vice
[7:00] chair.
[7:01] » Yes, sir.
[7:03] » All in favor?
[7:04] » I
[7:04] » I Great. Okay, that business is done
[7:07] with
[7:09] uh
[7:12] and now we move on to Dave. You're up
[7:15] for public hearing.
[7:18] » Yes. Thank you, madam chairwoman. On the
[7:21] agenda is an ordinance
[7:25] um 20
[7:28] 220-2025
[7:31] and it's an ordinance where we are
[7:33] changing
[7:35] some of the language relative to the
[7:39] space board.
[7:42] I'm going to get it in front of me here.
[7:45] I can talk about it.
[7:48] 220
[7:51] things there 224
[7:54] 20 I'm sorry 224 2026. Uh it's an
[7:57] ordinance that basically we're changing
[7:59] a few of the sections. Uh we're adding
[8:02] members to the
[8:05] open space board going from five to
[8:07] seven. Um in doing that we're staggering
[8:10] the terms of the two new people. Um
[8:13] they'll be all be fiveyear terms, but
[8:15] the two new people joining will have
[8:17] staggered terms as they fit into the the
[8:21] five that are there. Um and there's a
[8:24] provision that the um
[8:29] the board super shall appoint three
[8:31] members of the space review board to
[8:32] serve on the trail committee
[8:33] implementation subcommittee. So the
[8:36] trail committee as um madame chairperson
[8:39] has said uh is being folded into the
[8:42] open space review board and um the
[8:45] supervisors will choose the members of
[8:48] that uh subcommittee that are part of
[8:50] the open space review board.
[8:52] » It does look like there's maybe a
[8:53] discrepancy in the numbers here.
[8:55] » It's this one here.
[8:58] » That's an error down there.
[9:00] » Yeah.
[9:01] It's 2024
[9:04] 224-20
[9:06] » 2026
[9:07] » 2026 is the correct number.
[9:09] » So that's the explanation. Uh we're
[9:11] having a public hearing. It's
[9:12] opportunity for anyone who has any
[9:14] question or comments about that
[9:16] ordinance can come forward now and make
[9:19] your public comments.
[9:21] » And I'm going to make one comment too. I
[9:23] had seen something that um I think needs
[9:26] to be clarified about the you know every
[9:30] year
[9:31] uh that the liaison is chosen to
[9:34] actually be a member of
[9:37] open space from one from planning and
[9:40] one from the EAC and I think it still
[9:44] said that they were fiveyear terms which
[9:46] doesn't make sense because they would
[9:48] renew every year
[9:52] [clears throat]
[9:52] » That That would have to be addressed in
[9:54] the Senate speaking by the people or
[9:57] that's here.
[9:57] » We'd have to fix that.
[9:58] » We'll fix that.
[9:59] » Okay.
[10:01] » Any other Are there any other comments
[10:04] or questions?
[10:06] All right. Hearing none, I recommend you
[10:08] close the hearing
[10:11] a
[10:22] Yes.
[10:22] » Yeah. It's on there.
[10:23] » And and if we know that it's obained, we
[10:25] just have to do that after it's
[10:27] approved.
[10:28] » Public hearing.
[10:29] » Okay.
[10:31] » Go ahead.
[10:33] » Entertain.
[10:33] » All right. Uh can we get a motion then
[10:35] for a public hearing? Ordinance 224-2026
[10:40] open space review board.
[10:46] Second. Second.
[10:47] » Okay. All in favor? I I
[10:54] And next up is the very lengthy
[10:57] volunteer appointment list. Um I I had
[11:02] two changes to that. Um one is uh Jason
[11:08] Cray is who was appointed to human
[11:11] relations not trails a for Cray not
[11:15] trail. And uh also Chip Farnum
[11:20] has agreed to join uh the traffic safety
[11:24] committee as well. So we want to add all
[11:28] those in. Does anyone have any comments
[11:30] about the volunteer appointments?
[11:34] No. Seeing none and certainly there are
[11:37] openings. Please just let us know if we
[11:38] missed anyone. Um all favor.
[11:44] » Oh, sorry.
[11:45] So we
[11:48] » Say it. Thank you.
[11:49] » Yeah.
[11:50] » Okay, it's approved. Thank you.
[11:55] » And then
[11:59] meeting schedules.
[12:03] » Your board leazison is there.
[12:06] » We have to do that separate. Okay.
[12:07] Motion to appoint the board leaison as
[12:10] listed in the township manager memo
[12:12] dated December 26, 2025.
[12:17] » Vote.
[12:19] » All in favor?
[12:20] » I
[12:20] » I
[12:25] for meeting schedules, there's a motion
[12:27] to adopt the meeting schedules and other
[12:29] establishments is listed in the township
[12:31] manager memo dated 20 December 26, 2025.
[12:35] And I believe that is adding the
[12:37] workshops in there which is new. If
[12:40] anyone has a question about that at all,
[12:42] certainly happy to entertain that.
[12:47] » I'd like to make a motion to adopt the
[12:48] meeting schedules as established.
[12:53] » Second.
[12:55] » Second.
[12:56] » All in favor?
[12:57] » I.
[13:02] And then we need a motion to approve the
[13:04] December 15 meeting minutes as
[13:06] presented.
[13:07] » So move second.
[13:09] » All in favor?
[13:10] » I
[13:11] » I
[13:18] have a motion to approve resolution
[13:21] 2025 or I'm sorry 2026 to adopt energy
[13:26] service areas for 2026 is listed.
[13:32] I'll make a motion
[13:34] to adopt the emergency service series
[13:36] 2026.
[13:38] Second that.
[13:39] » Any questions on that at all?
[13:42] » All in favor?
[13:43] » I
[13:43] » I
[13:49] resolution 2 2026. A motion to approve
[13:52] resolution 226 to adopt the 2026 fee
[13:56] schedule. And I would like Tommy if you
[13:58] could bring up some of the the changes
[14:01] to that to highlight what has occurred.
[14:04] » Yeah. As uh is best management practice
[14:06] for municipalities prior to adoption the
[14:10] fee schedule. We take a look at the uh
[14:13] proposed fees relative to uh the cost
[14:16] that the township incurs uh to process
[14:19] individual permits and other approvals
[14:22] and make adjustments where necessary. As
[14:26] the chair noted a few moments ago,
[14:28] generally uh there has been a decrease
[14:31] uh to several of the fees uh that are
[14:35] proposed this year relative to the fee
[14:37] that was charged in 2025. Uh there are a
[14:41] couple of new fees added uh to the
[14:43] schedule uh including uh underground
[14:46] storage tanks um which was uh left off
[14:50] uh the schedule in past years. Uh the
[14:54] escros that are required to be posted
[14:56] with land developments uh have uh have
[14:59] been revised as well. Uh generally up uh
[15:02] and in [snorts] several instances we
[15:04] have consolidated
[15:06] uh fees that are charged uh we had mult
[15:09] multiple instances of multiple fees
[15:11] charged for the same approval. Uh and
[15:13] that has been streamlined so folks are
[15:15] paying uh one fee instead of uh more
[15:19] than one fee. Uh we can review uh any of
[15:23] the uh
[15:25] fees if folks want to discuss
[15:29] but I believe all are self-explanatory
[15:31] as to what permits uh require what fees
[15:34] and escros as needed.
[15:39] » Any comments, questions?
[15:46] » Jamie McBicker. Um first of all, who's
[15:48] the new guy? Oh my goodness. We didn't
[15:51] introduce Sean.
[15:55] » Sorry. This is Sean Clark. Welcome.
[15:56] » Welcome Sean.
[15:57] » Well, thank you for I'm happy to be here
[15:59] tonight.
[16:00] » God bless you. Why anybody wants to be a
[16:01] supervisor and talk to me in another six
[16:04] years, right?
[16:05] » Uh
[16:07] I just I hadn't looked at these before
[16:09] and just looking at the fees it looks
[16:10] like a lot of them have gone up. Um it
[16:14] would have been helpful to see a side by
[16:15] side of before and afters, but
[16:17] » Again, most are going down. Most changes
[16:19] are damp.
[16:20] » Be that as it may, I'm saying there's a
[16:23] lot of them that have gone up.
[16:24] » Uh so I'm just
[16:25] » I can identify the ones that are
[16:26] increasing if that helps.
[16:28] » Uh sure.
[16:29] » Okay. Um well, do you want me to
[16:32] identify the all the changes?
[16:35] » I you know, I don't know. I guess it's
[16:37] more up to people if there people here
[16:38] who see something.
[16:40] » We can go. So residential permits on
[16:42] page one, new family, new single family
[16:45] and single family additions. uh that
[16:47] decreases
[16:49] uh from 1.5% cost of construction to
[16:52] 1.25.
[16:53] Uh the second new accessory structures
[16:56] also decreases from 1.5 to 1.25.
[16:59] » Tommy, can I interrupt for a second?
[17:00] Sure.
[17:01] » So I just I just Googled West Vincent
[17:04] Township fee schedule. It shows what I'm
[17:06] looking at may be wrong, but the very
[17:08] first thing new construction and
[17:09] addition went from 500 to 1250. Am I
[17:12] looking at
[17:13] » Are you Are you looking at residential
[17:15] permits? Yeah.
[17:17] » What What's the year on top of what
[17:18] you're looking at?
[17:19] » 2025.
[17:20] [clears throat]
[17:20] » 2025.
[17:23] I have the 2025 fee schedule here
[17:28] » And it's $500 plus 1.5% cost of
[17:32] construction,
[17:33] you know.
[17:34] » Right. But now it's $1250.
[17:37] » Where are you getting 1250, Jay?
[17:38] » From when you handed out. Am I looking
[17:41] the wrong place?
[17:41] » Yeah. New construction and additions.
[17:44] I'm sorry. That's res non-residential.
[17:46] » That's non-residential.
[17:47] » I apologize.
[17:48] » Okay. Let's start on page one. Okay.
[17:50] » Start at the top.
[17:51] » We're a little better to the residents.
[17:53] » So, residential permits, the cost of
[17:55] construction charge decreases from 1.5%
[17:58] to 1.25%.
[18:01] The new accessory structure decreases
[18:04] from 1.5% to 1.25%.
[18:08] Alterations decreases from 1.5% to
[18:12] 1.25%.
[18:14] Decks, patios, porches, pergolas
[18:17] decreases from 1.5% to 1.25%.
[18:22] Solar generator, mechanical HVAC per
[18:25] unit decreases 1.5% to 1.25%.
[18:30] Fire suppression systems and alarm
[18:31] systems decreases from 1.5%
[18:35] 1.25%.
[18:37] On page three, electrical permit
[18:39] decreases from 1.5% to 1.25%.
[18:44] Bunning decreases 1.5% to 1.25%.
[18:49] Swimming pools in ground
[18:52] increases from 250 to 350.
[18:57] » And Tommy just just stop you
[18:59] [clears throat] for a second.
[19:01] » So you're on page two now.
[19:03] » Yep. Go ahead.
[19:04] » Winning pool above ground increases from
[19:07] 100 to 135. However, the cost of
[19:11] construction decreases from 1.5
[19:15] to 1.25. So that's that's probably going
[19:18] to be revenue neutral because two are
[19:20] going up a little, one's going down.
[19:24] » As I noted, accessory uses
[19:28] um that increased from $100 to $125.
[19:33] However, again, the cost of construction
[19:35] fee, which is normally the bigger fee
[19:37] that the resident pays, decreases from
[19:41] 1.5 to 1.25.
[19:44] Zoning permits increase from 300 to 310.
[19:47] Driveway permits increase from 300 to
[19:50] 310. And those are the only other
[19:52] changes on page two. On page three,
[19:56] non-residential fundaments decreases
[19:59] from $1,500
[20:02] to $1,250.
[20:04] New accessory structures, nonresidential
[20:08] decreases because the township was
[20:10] charging two fees, a $300 review fee and
[20:13] a $100 two-hour administrative fee. Uh
[20:18] that is the example of the combination
[20:19] of fees. The new fee is 350. The old fee
[20:22] was 4, the new fee is 350. The very same
[20:25] thing with the next one, alterations.
[20:28] The new fee is 550. The ch township was
[20:31] charging two fees totaling 600 last
[20:33] year.
[20:34] » Solar generator, mechanical, HBAC per
[20:37] unit. Same thing. We're going from $600
[20:40] to $550. Fire suppression systems, same
[20:44] thing here. We're going from 500 to 450.
[20:48] Electrical fee, same. were decreasing
[20:51] from 400 to 350.
[20:54] Um, under electrical 2 that adopted last
[20:57] year had a permit issued for new service
[21:01] at $0.
[21:03] I think that was a typo. So, we
[21:05] calculated the appropriate fee in that
[21:06] $600. I can't tell you what the fee was
[21:08] last year because the fee schedule
[21:10] listed zero. Plumbing fee decreases from
[21:14] $400 to $450 to
[21:18] » 350. I'm sorry.
[21:20] swimming pools, uh, accessory recreation
[21:22] uses. These are for non-residential
[21:24] properties decreases from 600 to 550.
[21:27] » Can I just interrupt for a sec? Yeah.
[21:29] » What's a nonresidential?
[21:31] » If a if an HOA wants to put a swimming
[21:34] pool in a clubhouse, if um, you know, if
[21:37] if if a recreational use wants to do
[21:39] something like that. So, not common, but
[21:41] you want to make sure you have something
[21:43] there in the event. Yeah. What if
[21:45] somebody I mean not to get into this but
[21:49] just off the top of my head thinking
[21:50] about it. So we have a famous infamous
[21:53] place happening up the road here
[21:56] where a guy from California comes in and
[21:58] develops a property. Is that considered
[22:00] residential?
[22:02] » That's considered accessory because the
[22:04] bed and breakfast is accessory to the
[22:05] residential use there.
[22:06] » Okay.
[22:07] » If there wasn't a residential use there,
[22:08] if it was just a like a hotel, that's
[22:10] certainly commercial and this would
[22:12] attach. I guess my real question is if
[22:13] somebody has two homes and they live in
[22:15] Oklahoma but own a property here, are
[22:17] they residential or non the house is
[22:19] residential but they're not residential.
[22:21] » Well, you talk about residency and
[22:23] residential which are two different
[22:25] not whether they have multiple homes.
[22:27] » Yeah.
[22:28] » Okay.
[22:28] » If they're using it as a home, it's a
[22:30] home. That's
[22:31] » Even if they have multiple home.
[22:32] » Okay. Uh zoning permit for
[22:34] non-residential just like the one for
[22:36] residential increasing from $300 to 310.
[22:40] Driveway permits. That was really odd.
[22:42] Uh the township last year uh was
[22:44] charging $2,500 for a driveway permit. I
[22:48] can't imagine why. The new fee is $310
[22:51] and we're requiring an escrow in the
[22:53] event that something's needed from the
[22:54] county traffic engineer. The person
[22:56] applying for the permit will pay the
[22:58] actual cost and not a penny more. Uh but
[23:01] that $2,500 fee wasn't appropriate. A
[23:04] reinspection fee uh increased from $200
[23:07] to $250.
[23:09] And that's it for page four.
[23:14] Page five, the bridge weight limit. We
[23:16] had charged $1,000
[23:19] uh last year proposed 300 with that
[23:21] escrow. Again, I don't know the thinking
[23:24] behind last year's uh number, but it
[23:26] just it doesn't make sense. uh
[23:29] demolition permit uh increasing from
[23:31] $200 to $300 for residential,
[23:35] decreasing from $500 to uh $300 for
[23:39] non-residential. There's really no
[23:41] difference in the service we provide
[23:43] with those two uses. And so they're the
[23:45] uh they're the same. There is an
[23:47] additional escrow there needed again to
[23:49] pay any actual cost that we incur in uh
[23:52] in doing that. Uh but that is just to
[23:54] reimburse ourselves for our consultants
[23:56] work if any. uh the balance of escros of
[23:59] course are returned to folks in full. Uh
[24:02] further down on page five you see the
[24:04] two new additions above ground storage
[24:05] tank and below ground storage tank.
[24:08] Those are new uh as was noted earlier.
[24:11] Uh two down from there the bed and
[24:12] breakfast registration fee. Uh that was
[24:15] omitted on past year's uh fee schedules.
[24:18] We've made the correction here. Uh
[24:20] special events fees uh for temporary uh
[24:24] fee temporary special events up to seven
[24:26] days. the same 100 uh for seasonal
[24:28] events 8 days to 180 days it increased
[24:32] to 150 from 100
[24:37] » Was special event on there before
[24:40] » Yes
[24:42] » Okay I don't see it
[24:44] » I think it was listed under special
[24:46] zoning
[24:47] » Okay
[24:48] » Uh storm water um management now these
[24:51] are the permits that um the residents
[24:54] apply for talk about the simplified that
[24:56] plan. Uh last year we had a lot of
[24:59] residents coming in here doing
[25:00] simplified storm water management and
[25:02] they apply for a permit. Uh if they're
[25:04] doing a swimming pool or if they're
[25:06] doing uh a deck uh that is considered uh
[25:10] impervious or a patio or a very modest
[25:12] addition, anything uh up to uh anything
[25:15] between two 1,000 and 2,000 square feet.
[25:18] And there are many folks that have to do
[25:19] this. We're decreasing that fee from
[25:21] $1,000
[25:23] to $450.
[25:26] for the storm water management
[25:28] application non-simplified the bigger
[25:30] things we're decreasing that from $3500
[25:33] to $750
[25:38] subdivision and land development
[25:39] approvals application fee base fees have
[25:42] been consolidated so the numbers there
[25:44] if we look at it kind of like apples to
[25:46] oranges but uh generally they're going
[25:49] down in fact I don't know any of the
[25:52] small subdivision fees or land
[25:54] development fees that we charged are
[25:55] going up. We adjusted escros where
[25:58] appropriate, but again, that's not a
[25:59] fee. Those things are posted to
[26:01] reimburse the township for actual
[26:03] expenses. And what we don't get uh what
[26:06] we get reimbursed for is the actual cost
[26:09] to um for our consultants to provide
[26:11] that service.
[26:14] Uh we'll go now. No other changes until
[26:16] you get down to page seven.
[26:19] Zoning hearing board and other appeals.
[26:22] Um
[26:24] I don't know how much time the township
[26:27] previous managers township secretary
[26:29] spent uh looking at the zoning hearing
[26:31] board fees, the UCCC fees, uh board of
[26:34] appeal fees, conditional use fees. Um
[26:37] but that we can charge is set by state
[26:39] law in specific the municipalities
[26:41] planning code. If you open up that state
[26:43] law that says municipalities, you have
[26:45] the right, sole right to write the laws,
[26:49] but the cost if somebody wants to
[26:52] challenge the laws, ask for a variance,
[26:53] ask for a special exception to defend
[26:56] that solicitor bills and so forth,
[26:58] that's your burden, [clears throat]
[26:59] » Right? In exchange for giving you the
[27:01] right to write the rules, the cost to
[27:04] defend the rules is yours. Uh, and the
[27:07] board and the uh planning code is very
[27:09] specific. uh we can include in the cost
[27:12] that we charge to people that go to the
[27:13] zoning hearing board to go to the UCCC
[27:15] board of appeals to go to the board of
[27:17] supervisors when it's in a quasi
[27:19] judicial uh proceeding like a
[27:21] conditional use application one half of
[27:24] the court reporters appearance fee. we
[27:26] can uh require somebody to pay us the
[27:29] cost of the legal fee, the mailings that
[27:31] are sent to neighbors, the physical
[27:33] posting of the property, stipens that
[27:35] are paid to the zoning hearing board, if
[27:37] any, we do and certain administrative
[27:39] expenses. So, uh when you take a look at
[27:42] these uh filing fees, they're uh they're
[27:45] decreasing um for uh residential and for
[27:49] non-residential applications to the uh
[27:51] to the zoning hearing board. Um and we
[27:54] have added the fee to readvertise and
[27:58] rightsize those in case uh the zoning
[28:02] hearing board and board has to meet
[28:03] again at a future meeting with public
[28:06] notice required.
[28:08] So for example uh the township fee
[28:10] schedule if I'm recalling at $3,000 fee
[28:13] for nonresidential
[28:15] applications to the zoning hearing board
[28:17] that goes down uh to uh to $1,600.
[28:20] Actually, I understand correct the
[28:21] residential goes up a 100 uh from six
[28:24] from 1,500 to $1,600.
[28:28] And again, that is taking a look at our
[28:29] actual expenses permitted by law that
[28:32] can be given to uh to a person to pay.
[28:35] And those are uh those are good numbers.
[28:38] Um at the bottom of page seven, an
[28:40] application to amend the zoning
[28:42] ordinance or zoning map. We didn't have
[28:43] anything of the fee schedule last year,
[28:46] so we had to make sure that that was
[28:47] added. zoning officer determination
[28:50] letter. Uh that is likewise uh new for
[28:53] folks that want an official zoning
[28:55] determination. Uh if they uh if they
[28:58] request that the fee is $130. And then
[29:02] lastly on page eight
[29:05] um one new fee and one lower fee. Copy
[29:10] fees uh decreased. We had a fee in there
[29:13] for color copies which uh the law didn't
[29:15] permit. Uh and frankly was much greater
[29:18] than what we were charging. Uh so that
[29:20] is now black or white or copy is 25
[29:23] cents uh a copy. We pay about one and a
[29:27] half pennies for black and white and
[29:28] about 5 12 pennies for um per color. Um
[29:33] and then of course the the paper and the
[29:35] and and the toner and so forth. Um the
[29:38] finance department there is a uh new
[29:40] charge there uh an escrow release fee of
[29:43] 6750.
[29:45] Uh the parks department community garden
[29:48] this is one of those consolidations
[29:51] uh for township residents uh last year
[29:54] for the two plots 20x 10 and 20 by 20.
[29:57] Um, [clears throat] the township, if you
[29:59] include the $50 equipment fee that was
[30:02] part of the fee schedule, is going from
[30:04] $85 to $75 for a 20x10 plot and from $95
[30:10] to $85 for township residents for a 20x
[30:13] 20 plot. Uh, similar decrease for
[30:15] non-residents. Um, I'm sorry, it's an
[30:18] increase for non-residents. uh those uh
[30:21] those numbers are going from 105 to 115
[30:26] and uh 115 to 125. And just as a note,
[30:30] we did some numbers uh took into
[30:32] consideration our true cost to maintain
[30:35] that facility. Uh and it averages about
[30:38] $176
[30:39] a plot. So we we made that a little
[30:42] adjustment to the non-residents. Um, and
[30:44] we break that down residents and
[30:45] non-residents because the residents of
[30:47] our community are paying to us some
[30:49] additional tax dollars. There should be
[30:50] some consideration given to those folks
[30:52] by way of a lower fee.
[30:54] » You think the gardeners are going to get
[30:55] more service this year as well as you're
[30:58] changing?
[30:59] » Yeah. So, we
[31:00] » Which you think will help maintain the
[31:02] garden better.
[31:03] » Yeah. So, so, so public works department
[31:04] will be maintaining the entire garden.
[31:06] And when we met with the uh the group of
[31:08] folks who oversee the community garden a
[31:11] few weeks ago, they were they were
[31:12] thrilled. Now they can just focus on
[31:13] their plots.
[31:14] » I think the neighbors will be thrilled
[31:15] too.
[31:16] » Yep. Uh the police department uh fees
[31:19] that are on here haven't uh changed. The
[31:21] chief thinks that they are sufficient as
[31:24] adopted last year. Um page nine just
[31:27] includes some fee schedule notes. Uh
[31:29] some of which were on last year's uh fee
[31:31] schedule, others are fairly common. What
[31:34] we do is we ask the uh the permit uh
[31:36] director to take a look and try to um
[31:39] anticipate any questions that people may
[31:40] ask. better be a little proactive in
[31:43] giving people information instead of
[31:45] having done that and say well what
[31:46] happens when or if so those things are
[31:49] included here. So looking over
[31:51] everything uh there's just a handful
[31:54] that have increased and that number is
[31:55] modest. The majority of of fees that
[31:58] have changed uh have been lowered.
[32:00] » Well sorry to bug the meeting down first
[32:03] of all. [laughter] Second, uh,
[32:06] » Thank you for taking the time to have
[32:08] gone through all this before the meeting
[32:10] to change these prices. On balance, it
[32:12] looks like it'll be maybe not a tax
[32:15] decrease to us, but, uh, we can also say
[32:18] a revenue decrease to the township
[32:20] possibly. Um, my only other question is,
[32:23] uh, where do we go for definitions of
[32:25] these things? Like it just says
[32:27] driveway. If somebody was redoing their
[32:29] driveway or, you know, how do we know
[32:31] what special events are? If if we're
[32:34] having a wedding on our property and put
[32:35] up a tent,
[32:36] » Yeah,
[32:36] » How do we know what qualifies?
[32:38] » You call and ask. In fact, just today I
[32:40] received a question about what's needed
[32:42] if there is a wedding on my property.
[32:44] It's it's family. It's no different than
[32:46] a party and I noted. But if there is a
[32:48] tent, we do have a permit required for
[32:50] tent. So, if you need clarification, you
[32:52] just call us.
[32:53] » But but and that's fine. That's good.
[32:55] But but there's no place that we could
[32:57] look at right now. Like if we're
[32:58] thinking about redoing our driveway,
[33:01] yes, we can call you, but is there a
[33:02] place where things are defined on on on
[33:05] online? Okay.
[33:06] » Yeah.
[33:07] » Okay. I know what sometimes in the
[33:09] township newsletter it has it's done
[33:11] done that with driveways spec
[33:13] specifically, but
[33:14] » Okay.
[33:18] » I just wanted to ask one more question
[33:20] on that too.
[33:21] » Did the change in engineer make any
[33:23] difference in in the fee schedule?
[33:25] » Well, that was one of the factors. Um
[33:28] but um it's um it's not um
[33:34] it's not something that's worked into
[33:35] the building permits because the
[33:37] engineer sees two things generally the
[33:40] subdivision and land development side.
[33:42] So our our building inspector hasn't
[33:46] changed. It was error last year.
[33:47] » These were actual
[33:48] » Yeah. So, so, so these are these are
[33:50] costs associated with uh when you take a
[33:52] look at the building permits and zoning
[33:54] permits, primarily your building
[33:55] inspector and uh your uh your zoning
[33:59] officer, permit director.
[34:01] » Thank you.
[34:02] » Good evening. Um storage tanks, does it
[34:06] matter what's in them?
[34:08] » Uh anything but propane because that's
[34:09] covered under a separate state law. We
[34:11] don't touch that.
[34:12] » Okay. And uh water. people have water
[34:16] storage things for rain garden or
[34:19] something.
[34:19] » I'd have to look at it. I can't recall
[34:21] ever being asked about that. Like a
[34:22] sistern,
[34:23] » Something like that.
[34:24] » Consider that this.
[34:25] » Okay.
[34:26] » Yeah.
[34:26] » And I mean obviously petroleum you want
[34:28] to know, but
[34:29] » Yes.
[34:29] » So propane is not covered.
[34:31] » That's that's a separate uh part of
[34:33] state law. Somebody else not deals with
[34:35] propane.
[34:35] » Okay. Thank you.
[34:36] » Thank you. Any other questions on that?
[34:38] Please schedule.
[34:42] Just a quick question about the escrow
[34:45] release
[34:45] » I'm sorry could could you give us your
[34:46] » It's my name is Victoria Baker um the
[34:49] escro release fee just curious about why
[34:52] that's being added
[34:54] » Because the finance director spends
[34:56] approximately an hour reconciling each
[34:59] uh escrow account before it's released.
[35:01] » So it's a it's it's a new charge just
[35:03] brought about this year just because
[35:06] that came to
[35:07] » It's your attention. It's a cost that's
[35:09] attributable to a specific project and
[35:12] just like any other cost attributable to
[35:13] a project that's drawn from an ASP.
[35:15] » Okay. Thank you.
[35:16] » You anyone else?
[35:20] » Okay. Seeing none, I think we have a
[35:21] motion on the table. We have a second.
[35:26] » All in favor?
[35:27] » I.
[35:28] » Motion passes.
[35:32] » Okay. Can we have a motion to approve
[35:34] resolution 32026 to appoint Mali
[35:37] Accountants Advisors to prepare the
[35:40] township audit for fiscal year 2025 and
[35:43] to provide other related services as may
[35:45] be required?
[35:46] » So moved. Second.
[35:48] » All in favor?
[35:50] » I.
[35:53] A motion to approve resolution 42026 to
[35:56] renew the term of the township manager
[35:59] employment agreement and to revise
[36:00] certain terms of this agreement.
[36:03] » So move second.
[36:06] » All in favor?
[36:06] » I
[36:07] » I
[36:10] approved
[36:13] Pennsylvania Labor Relations Board
[36:15] petition. A motion to authorize Township
[36:17] Labor Council to file a petition to the
[36:20] Pennsylvania Labor Relations Board as to
[36:22] the position of director of codes
[36:24] permitting and zoning.
[36:26] » So moved. Second.
[36:29] » All in favor?
[36:30] » I I
[36:36] also Pennsylvania Labor Relations Board
[36:39] petition a motion to the township
[36:41] solicitor. Is that
[36:43] » The heading is not correct? No.
[36:44] [clears throat]
[36:45] Okay. What's it's regarding the township
[36:48] solicitor to post
[36:49] » Estimated
[36:50] » Correct? Mr. Heading is not right. Go
[36:51] ahead.
[36:52] » Reading the motion.
[36:53] » Yeah. Okay. Forget that.
[36:56] » A motion to authorize the township
[36:58] solicitor to post estimated just
[37:00] compensation for the acquisition of
[37:02] rightaway and a temporary construction
[37:05] easement for the Buttonwood Bridge
[37:07] replacement project.
[37:08] » So moved.
[37:09] » Definitely not the same thing. All in
[37:11] favor? I
[37:12] » I motion passes.
[37:18] » We're up to public comment. Does anyone
[37:20] have public comment?
[37:23] Come on.
[37:28] This is for non-aggenda items.
[37:31] » So, I have a question on right to knows.
[37:34] uh your right to know form that's on the
[37:36] website actually has a check box that
[37:37] says please send your uh the response
[37:39] via email and US mail. Um when the email
[37:44] box is checked, why are we not receiving
[37:46] it via email and we're only receiving it
[37:48] via via USPS?
[37:53] » I think that's for our right to know
[37:54] officer.
[37:55] » The form that's posted on our website is
[37:57] the form that's approved by the office
[37:59] of open records. when we receive any
[38:02] request, we follow the right to know law
[38:04] and the steps that the right to know law
[38:06] enumerates be taken.
[38:08] » So my question again is when you have
[38:10] that check box on there that the person
[38:13] that's filling it out says please send
[38:15] response via email US mail and you can
[38:19] check one. Why is it when email is
[38:21] checked, we're getting it response USPS?
[38:24] » Well, we send things by mail. Even if
[38:27] they say they want a response by email,
[38:29] you're going to go against what's on the
[38:30] form.
[38:30] » I do. Yes.
[38:32] » Okay.
[38:33] » There's no requirement under the right
[38:34] to no law to send things by email.
[38:36] » There is not unless they're requesting
[38:38] uh documents that are digitally but not
[38:41] responses.
[38:42] » Yeah. I'm just saying. Okay.
[38:46] » Does it make sense to take the check box
[38:48] off? Well, that's not public.
[38:49] » No, we use the state form.
[38:51] » Okay. That is the form. Okay. Thank you.
[38:55] You can shut this down because it was an
[38:57] agenda item, but I'm just I'm still
[38:59] confused about the definitions where
[39:00] somebody where it says driveway.
[39:03] I'm just thinking if there's somebody
[39:04] who wants to do something or electrical
[39:06] wants to do something minor,
[39:09] if they call in, they might feel like
[39:11] they're
[39:13] opening themselves up to getting a fee
[39:15] where if they had just gone ahead and
[39:16] done it, they wouldn't have they would
[39:19] try to get away with it. Can they and we
[39:22] all know that happens. Is there a place
[39:25] where we can come and see where the
[39:26] definitions of these things are without
[39:29] coming in and asking the question?
[39:31] » Well, I defer to the council solicitor
[39:33] on definitions of common words and
[39:35] usages. And
[39:36] » So talk just use electrical if somebody
[39:39] wants to rewire something in their
[39:42] house.
[39:42] » Well, I I can tell you with electrical
[39:44] um and that's governed by what the uh
[39:46] the building code would require be
[39:48] permitted. And if folks said, "Hey, I
[39:50] have a question regarding doing this."
[39:53] That would go to the building inspector
[39:54] and the building inspector would take a
[39:55] look at the building code and say,
[39:56] "Under the building code, if you want to
[39:58] make that sort of approvement."
[40:00] » Okay. And there would be a fee because
[40:02] they were called.
[40:03] » It would be no a question like that. No.
[40:05] » Okay.
[40:06] » No, the fee is paid when the application
[40:08] comes in.
[40:08] » Okay.
[40:09] » Okay. Driveway.
[40:11] » Well, driveway is a common term, so I'm
[40:14] not sure where the confusion would be.
[40:17] Well, there's a lot of ways to patch
[40:18] one's driveway as opposed to resealing
[40:21] it, as opposed to repaving it, as
[40:22] opposed to redirecting it. So, there's
[40:25] four different examples of driveway.
[40:27] » And I think the problem with that is
[40:28] that to have definitions now that are
[40:31] explain all of that gets to be
[40:34] overburdensome
[40:35] and overly complicated when a phone call
[40:39] can answer the question. So can't
[40:41] anticipate but you can't always
[40:42] anticipate all of the questions someone
[40:44] might have concerning all those kind of
[40:48] things right there there are common
[40:50] common terms then
[40:53] » If you're deal coding it it's not a
[40:54] problem if they're not changing
[40:56] something about
[40:56] » Well that's what I mean I don't not here
[40:58] to argue each individual thing I just
[41:00] I'm surprised to hear a lawyer say that
[41:02] I don't mean this in a negative way it's
[41:03] just like legal lawyers usually want
[41:05] everything spelled out very carefully
[41:06] and you're saying well we'll just sort
[41:08] of take it on there's
[41:09] » Practicality to
[41:11] There really is.
[41:13] » Okay.
[41:15] Okay. Just seem well seems like from one
[41:19] year to the next you could get a
[41:20] different response if you talk to
[41:22] especially a different township manager.
[41:23] It just seems like we ought to there
[41:25] ought to be a place where we can come
[41:26] and look something up to see what what
[41:28] what the definitions of these things
[41:30] are. But whatever just an observation
[41:32] » Could always call Jason and come sit
[41:34] down, talk with him about some questions
[41:35] because he's really very personable and
[41:37] » Okay
[41:38] » Knowledgeable.
[41:39] » All right. And he's also not going to
[41:41] write down Jamie might be doing this
[41:43] work.
[41:44] » Okay. [laughter]
[41:44] All right.
[41:45] » He's not like that. Thank you.
[41:48] » Um I also want to echo my concern about
[41:51] the right to know response form. Um just
[41:55] as a courtesy to the residents, you it's
[41:57] really minimal amount of extra work on
[42:00] the township. The mail here is very
[42:01] slow. It could take a week to get a post
[42:04] postal delivery.
[42:06] Um, I mean that's significant and it's
[42:09] acknowledged by everyone. Everyone knows
[42:10] that the mail is very slow lately. You
[42:13] have the form.
[42:16] » You could email it. You could email it
[42:17] and post it. You can't say that posting
[42:20] it gives you a confirmation that you did
[42:22] it because it's not sent with any kind
[42:23] of confirmation for delivery. So, the
[42:27] email is no worse
[42:29] than that. It seems like the only reason
[42:32] to not do that would be to slow the
[42:34] transfer of information, which I don't
[42:36] think we want to do.
[42:37] » To come pick it up.
[42:39] » Is that an option?
[42:40] » Sure.
[42:41] » Could you speak into the microphone? We
[42:43] can hardly hear you back here.
[42:44] » There is always the option to come pick
[42:46] it up if you're concerned about the
[42:48] speed of delivery of your postal
[42:50] service. But if you'd like to come pick
[42:52] it up, indicated you'll pick it up. So,
[42:55] » Can I ask you say I've never done a
[42:57] right to know, so I don't know what it's
[42:59] like. And we are not the board does not
[43:01] get involved and we don't
[43:02] » No, but the board sets policy.
[43:04] » Well, I'm no policy. That's a state.
[43:07] » Well, but as a courtesy, they could ask
[43:10] you to email potentially.
[43:12] » I just have a question.
[43:13] » The board is not going to be in a
[43:15] position to tell what the right the
[43:16] right to know officer how he should
[43:18] perform his duties.
[43:20] » Well, state law will do that. not the
[43:22] perview of work.
[43:23] » Well, my my question would be um
[43:27] when you when you do complete it, do you
[43:30] email a person that it's completed and
[43:32] something was sent?
[43:32] » No, they get a mail.
[43:33] » Okay. They just get it when they get it
[43:35] in the mail.
[43:36] » Okay. Is that something that could be
[43:37] considered that to email them that I
[43:40] have mailed it?
[43:41] » Continue to mail.
[43:44] » If you were to come and pick it up, how
[43:47] would we notify you of that?
[43:49] » I call you
[43:51] But how would you know we wanted that
[43:52] instead of it?
[43:54] » Let me know. Write it on the form.
[43:55] » On the form. Okay. So, but there's no
[43:58] checkbox. Just added in as a verbal.
[44:00] » Yeah, that's fine.
[44:02] » Okay. Thank you.
[44:06] » Do we have any other comments tonight?
[44:16] » My name is Brian Hankis. I'm from
[44:18] Remington Drive. Um my question is
[44:22] regarding escros.
[44:25] So you guys are taking escros for site
[44:28] development, home improvements, whatever
[44:30] it is. Who's managing and controlling
[44:33] and overseeing the return of the escros
[44:35] and the inspections that are required to
[44:37] get escros returned?
[44:41] » So for certain projects, not all, but
[44:43] for certain projects,
[44:45] » Let's say site development just
[44:46] » Say a subdivision plan. So the uh the
[44:50] property owner, the owner and equity
[44:52] developer will post an escrow with the
[44:54] township. Part of that agreement is uh
[44:56] posting a certain amount and agreeing to
[44:58] replenish the escrow when the balance
[45:00] falls to a certain amount uh usually uh
[45:03] 50%. Uh when the township receives uh an
[45:06] invoice for uh charges uh for a project,
[45:11] um those invoices are reviewed uh and
[45:14] approved for payment by me. The township
[45:16] pays the township's consultant. The
[45:19] finance director then makes the entry
[45:21] into the escrow account or the escrow uh
[45:25] party and sends to the escrow party uh a
[45:28] copy of the invoice for their review so
[45:30] they know what was deducted from their
[45:32] account. And if they have any questions,
[45:34] that's the opportunity to ask, well,
[45:35] what's this charge of that charge? Uh
[45:37] the township charges the actual fee that
[45:39] we pay. So we pay our consultants and we
[45:42] reimburse ourselves. We don't ask our
[45:43] consultants to go out and chase those
[45:45] dollars. That's the purpose.
[45:46] » Yeah, I actually understand all that,
[45:48] but who oversees the inspections that
[45:51] are done through the escrow. So,
[45:53] » It it depends. It's um it could be the
[45:55] township engineer. It could be the
[45:56] township traffic engineer. With some
[45:59] projects, there are there are documents
[46:00] and agreements that are required to be
[46:02] reviewed and that would fall to the
[46:04] township solicitor. Um so, it's it's
[46:06] going to be one of our consultants. Um
[46:09] my time is not drawn from the escrow. my
[46:12] time is built into the fee for whatever
[46:14] application is being made. Um but uh
[46:17] every everybody else is is the
[46:19] consultant.
[46:20] » Well, so we have a situation on our
[46:22] street where it was the development plan
[46:25] was by Tom Bentley.
[46:26] » Yeah.
[46:27] » Um everything in the agreement says it
[46:30] the township states specifications for
[46:35] uh the development plan, whether it be
[46:37] storm water. I'm more particularly
[46:40] um concerned about the street. So there
[46:42] are specifications on what your
[46:44] requirements are to meet for the
[46:46] construction of the street, the
[46:48] subgrade, the um material used, the
[46:52] binder coat, the wear course on the
[46:54] black top. Who inspects that before they
[46:57] give the escrow money back?
[46:58] » It' be generally the township engineer.
[47:00] » So if that wasn't done and the money was
[47:03] returned, whose responsibility does that
[47:05] fall under? who was the negligent party
[47:07] there that did not give the proper
[47:09] inspection.
[47:10] » So, I I I haven't spoken to you about
[47:12] this, but I believe you've been in
[47:13] contact with with Jason in our office.
[47:15] » We have.
[47:15] » Okay. So, this is this a private road?
[47:18] » Uh it's a private road, but under the
[47:20] agreement, uh the development agreement,
[47:23] the the requirements for the township
[47:26] requirements for the driveways and roads
[47:30] are still supposed to be met. And
[47:33] there's actually uh line items on the
[47:35] escros for a wear course, a binder
[47:40] course, a subgrade. So those things
[47:43] should have all been inspected before
[47:45] the money was returned.
[47:46] » And again, refresh my memory. This this
[47:48] goes back how many years? It's not it's
[47:51] not a recent
[47:52] » More than 10 years. Okay.
[47:53] » But the development
[47:54] » Well, development hasn't been done yet.
[47:56] Yeah. The development's only been done
[47:57] in the last two years.
[47:59] » Okay. So the escrow would have been
[48:00] posted. a certain type of escrow would
[48:03] have been posted when the subdivision
[48:04] was proposed. A different type of
[48:06] security and improvement security would
[48:08] have been posted in advance of uh the uh
[48:11] the work on the road. Um Jason's
[48:14] reviewed this and he spoke to me about
[48:16] it briefly and all of those escrow
[48:18] dollars have been released. I think he
[48:20] told you there's there's nothing that we
[48:22] have.
[48:22] » The problem is is the require the
[48:24] township requirements were never met.
[48:26] So, who inspected that and signed off on
[48:29] releasing the funds when it hasn't been
[48:32] » Met? I understand the question.
[48:33] » Now, to fix the street, it's going to be
[48:35] over $200,000 and there's five houses on
[48:38] the street.
[48:39] » So, I mean, who pays for that? Like,
[48:44] shouldn't the builder have paid it? He
[48:45] was obligated to fulfill that uh
[48:48] standard set forth by the township and
[48:51] agreed upon.
[48:54] Yeah, I understand the question.
[48:57] » Okay.
[48:58] » So, who's responsible for that? It's
[49:00] » A hard hard question to answer without
[49:02] all the facts in front of us.
[49:04] » So, how long ago was it done?
[49:07] » The last house was built two years ago.
[49:09] » When was the work when was the work
[49:11] done?
[49:12] » The last house the work was completed
[49:13] two years ago.
[49:14] » When was the street paved? When it was
[49:16] where
[49:17] » It's never been top coated.
[49:20] » It's falling apart. So, it had a wear it
[49:23] had it didn't have a wear code. It had a
[49:25] binder code put down.
[49:26] » When did they get the rest code?
[49:29] » Good question. It's not disclosed in the
[49:31] information that we were given.
[49:35] » We did file for our information, paid
[49:37] the fees and did come and pick them up.
[49:39] We did not wait to have them mailed to
[49:42] us
[49:44] or emailed which wouldn't have happened.
[49:46] » Well, we'll have to get back to you.
[49:48] That's the first I'm hearing about. I'll
[49:49] have to talk to Tommy about it. Yeah, I
[49:51] appreciate that.
[49:52] » Right.
[49:52] » Thank you.
[49:53] » Thanks.
[49:57] » Anyone else?
[50:00] » Okay, our next meeting is going to be
[50:03] Monday, January 19th at 6 PM at the
[50:06] township building and it will start as a
[50:08] work session at 6. Um, I believe we are
[50:12] doing that, right? It says needed, but I
[50:14] believe we are doing that. And then, uh,
[50:17] at 7 o'clock will be the official
[50:19] meeting. So hope to see you all there.
[50:21] Thank you very much.
[50:22] » To adjourn.
[50:23] » You're adjourned.