1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 today is Tuesday October 1st it is now 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,880 6:25 p.m. Town council meeting in town 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,000 council chambers 1170 Main Street West 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:14,589 War Island J lead us in 5 00:00:14,599 --> 00:00:16,960 prayer we ask for the wisdom to make 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,000 good decisions to speak with confidence 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,960 and listen with compassion and to work 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,279 together to create a better way of life 9 00:00:22,279 --> 00:00:24,519 for the people of West wck 10 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:27,279 amen you Len to pledge allegiance I 11 00:00:27,279 --> 00:00:29,560 pledge allegiance to the flag of the 12 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,040 unit States of America and to the 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Republic for which it stand one nation 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,000 under God indivisible with liberty and 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:47,670 justice for 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,879 all before we get started just make sure 17 00:00:49,879 --> 00:00:51,399 you're speaking into your mics clearly 18 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:53,640 as I said in last meeting um people 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,670 online cannot hear 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,960 us roll call councilman Dennison here 21 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:03,160 councilman lardi here councilman Messier 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,199 here Council vice president Williamson 23 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:11,149 here council president Goin here for is 24 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:13,439 declared consent agenda approval of the 25 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:16,439 minutes from the September 17 2024 Town 26 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:18,400 council meeting move approv the consent 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,360 agenda second move in second any 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,720 discussion hearing none all in favor I I 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,040 opposed eyes have it ordinances first 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,560 reading of ordinance 202 24-18 amending 31 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,880 section two general purposes section 32 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,600 three definition section four division 33 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,280 into District section five use 34 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,560 regulations Section 18 power of the Town 35 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,280 Council to establish a zoning border 36 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,920 review and adopt zoning ordinance move 37 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,240 the ordinance second move second this is 38 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,040 the same ordinance I presented two weeks 39 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,360 ago however in view of the discussion 40 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,680 regarding the mandates that were being 41 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,280 forced upon us from the state especially 42 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,039 particularly the adus I have removed 43 00:02:01,039 --> 00:02:03,920 those however I have sent you an email 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,640 last week requesting that 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,520 those be reconsidered and placed back in 46 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,280 the a ordinance uh it's I stated my 47 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,040 reasons in the email to you it's just 48 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,599 makes makes it much more difficult for a 49 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:21,519 matter to come in where we have to make 50 00:02:21,519 --> 00:02:24,519 Bob or Marilyn and I have to make a 51 00:02:24,519 --> 00:02:27,840 decision that involves an accessory 52 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,879 dwelling unit it's not in our own 53 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:32,239 ordinance we got to go look to the State 54 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:35,560 statue we may miss it uh there's that 55 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,879 problem in in addition what bothers me 56 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:41,120 is that if it's a matter being brought 57 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,080 to us with an attorney and I say to the 58 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,319 attorney look our ordinance doesn't 59 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:48,400 follow state law the attorney's probably 60 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,840 going to say oh okay but if I got to try 61 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,200 and explain to the lay person that even 62 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,640 though what you read in the ordinance 63 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:59,480 says what you read that's not real is 64 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,040 something else so I'm asking that the 65 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,239 council amend the matter for second 66 00:03:06,239 --> 00:03:09,040 hearing and allow me to put back in the 67 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,640 material that was that I had removed 68 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:16,599 regarding the accessory dwelling 69 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:20,280 units any questions for Al no I I think 70 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,239 actually it makes sense um we certainly 71 00:03:23,239 --> 00:03:24,879 aren't looking to make your job hotter 72 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:27,159 or the planner's job hotter or Bob 73 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:30,280 asin's job hotter as uh housing and I 74 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,840 can understand and as you explained to 75 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,080 us when we first looked at the 76 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,120 issue state law is going to win the day 77 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,200 and for us to have different set of laws 78 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,360 and rules on our books just complicates 79 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,120 matters I think for you and I think 80 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,519 that's what you're saying out I think 81 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:50,599 the action taken two weeks ago well it 82 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:52,519 spell it informed the state it said 83 00:03:52,519 --> 00:03:54,920 something I said look we don't want you 84 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,640 shoving all this stuff that's no good 85 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,239 for our town down our throats and you 86 00:03:59,239 --> 00:04:02,560 spoke you piece now let's move forward 87 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,879 with it yeah and our last meeting or or 88 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:07,360 that meeting when we discussed that um 89 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,959 you know I was concerned my question to 90 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:10,519 you is this going to be a burden to 91 00:04:10,519 --> 00:04:13,599 anybody in this building to deal with 92 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,199 and at that time I wasn't aware that it 93 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:17,720 was going to be such a burden to deal 94 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,359 with it so you know now that you've made 95 00:04:20,359 --> 00:04:22,600 that clear and we've made our point to 96 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,199 the state hopefully they receive that 97 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:26,040 point and I see where you're coming from 98 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,240 now thank you and and I appreciate you 99 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,280 taking the time to bring it back 100 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:32,680 to make make things easier here in town 101 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,840 hall I would ask for a motion that it be 102 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:38,600 amended for me to reinstate the state 103 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,080 mandates I'll make that motion second 104 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,080 mooving 105 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,039 seconded um that's just a motion this is 106 00:04:46,039 --> 00:04:48,759 just a vote on that motion all in favor 107 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:52,240 I I opposed eyes have it any other 108 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,680 questions for Al on the ordinance any 109 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,360 public comment on the 110 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,600 ordinance hearing none I'll take a roll 111 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,320 call vote Jay yes Jason yes Mark yes 112 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:09,270 Mary Beth yes and I vote yes thank 113 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:13,600 you um since Al is here can we move 114 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,320 three to 115 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,479 two because then we because he has to 116 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:21,840 leave make a motion to move number three 117 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:25,759 up second mve seconded sorry G3 to 118 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,000 clarify G3 G3 sorry you want to read 119 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,240 three 120 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,639 first reading of an ordinance amending 121 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:34,880 chapter 11 motor vehicles and traffic 122 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,199 Article 2 operation adding section 53 123 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:40,000 penalties for violations to the code of 124 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,520 ordinances of the town of West bway move 125 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,080 the ordinance second after you pass the 126 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,560 low speed ordinance the chief and I 127 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,520 realized we had said no no low low speed 128 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,280 vehicles on certain streets but we 129 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,479 didn't put any punishment in and what 130 00:05:55,479 --> 00:05:58,240 the chief and I asked is that you add a 131 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,240 $100 fee per 132 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,400 off offense that's the only 133 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,240 change any questions for Al on this Al 134 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,880 do you think $100 per offense is the way 135 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,400 to go or would you think escalating it 136 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,599 just my discussions with the chief and 137 00:06:14,599 --> 00:06:16,479 you can correct me if I'm wrong we're 138 00:06:16,479 --> 00:06:19,800 not anticipating a great deal of 139 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,039 activity on this we I think the chief 140 00:06:22,039 --> 00:06:24,199 feels every now and then you may had 141 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:28,110 somebody doing it 142 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,360 but that's why we F could just uh put 143 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,680 the word out there and I think that 144 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,280 anybody and with the chief that anybody 145 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,199 who's out there in a low speed vehicle 146 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:39,400 and gets nail for 100 bucks it's going 147 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,720 to think twice about doing it again 148 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,240 okay any questions for Al any public 149 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,840 comment on this 150 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:50,960 ordinance hearing none I'll take a roll 151 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,400 call vote Jay yes Jason yes Mark yes 152 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,360 Mary Beth yes can I vote yes thank you 153 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,599 thanks have a good night Al thank you 154 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:04,070 thank you 155 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,199 all first reading of an ordinance 156 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:08,319 relating to homeless encampments move 157 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:10,879 the ordinance second moov and second 158 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:13,360 discussion um before we get into a 159 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,879 public discussion on this um we had a 160 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:18,199 lengthy three and a half hour discussion 161 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:20,680 on this the last council meeting so just 162 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,520 try to avoid being repetitive if you do 163 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,120 have a comment um and I'm going to start 164 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:30,629 off with the town manager 165 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,360 good evening as you recall at our last 166 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,280 meeting um the solic and I were directed 167 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,599 to put together ordinance 168 00:07:42,599 --> 00:07:45,400 recommendations to handle the the 169 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,479 council's directive on handling 170 00:07:49,479 --> 00:07:53,039 encampment issues targeting the date of 171 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:56,039 December 2nd so our solicitor took the 172 00:07:56,039 --> 00:07:58,599 first stab at this draft that we're 173 00:07:58,599 --> 00:08:00,800 looking at tonight 174 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,639 and distributed it as the agenda was put 175 00:08:04,639 --> 00:08:07,479 forth I felt it was important um since 176 00:08:07,479 --> 00:08:09,520 the solicitor did 177 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,599 that that he had reasons setting it up 178 00:08:12,599 --> 00:08:15,000 the way he did um with certain sections 179 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,759 and certain verbage and I wanted him to 180 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:19,879 have the opportunity to uh present those 181 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:23,000 reasonings um before we started 182 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,159 circulating um some suggestions and 183 00:08:26,159 --> 00:08:28,400 amendments I know that I spent some time 184 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,759 on it um I did not change his format I 185 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:34,519 just looked at it from my perspective um 186 00:08:34,519 --> 00:08:36,599 and sent that to all of you to help 187 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:39,279 Foster some continued discussion 188 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:41,479 tonight but before if you don't mind 189 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:44,880 since one of the Amendments um before we 190 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,600 get into the ordinance part is talking 191 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,480 about the encampment response team that 192 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,920 I thought was important and I think is 193 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,320 an important part of this process 194 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,720 because in my mind we all understand 195 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,959 that we're not legislating or arresting 196 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:06,320 ourselves out of a significant issue 197 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,399 that's not only born in west wck but 198 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:11,800 Statewide and nationally so I just kind 199 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,320 of wanted to reinforce the fact that we 200 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,399 did uh formalize an encampment Response 201 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:22,519 Team internally that comprises um the 202 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:25,079 town's EMA director under the leadership 203 00:09:25,079 --> 00:09:27,600 of Chief Aron the police department the 204 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,600 fire department's EMS services the 205 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,079 highway department Pride Behavioral 206 00:09:32,079 --> 00:09:36,560 Health and members of our social network 207 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,600 with the Health Equity Zone amongst 208 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,519 others and we started a more formalized 209 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:44,760 process of going out to the various 210 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,360 encampments identifying their locations 211 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,120 their conditions the folks that are 212 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,000 there um reinforcing the in what the 213 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,079 opportunities are and in some cases the 214 00:09:57,079 --> 00:09:59,839 lack thereof to to find out how can be 215 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:04,920 of assistance to get them um to proper 216 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,360 shelter because in my mind this 217 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,079 encampment issue should be bifurcated 218 00:10:12,079 --> 00:10:15,120 it's not just a homelessness problem or 219 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,320 UNH housee problem it's that separate 220 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,920 from some issues that we're 221 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,120 experiencing in and around encampments 222 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,079 and it's not just a homelessness issue 223 00:10:27,079 --> 00:10:29,440 the be the issues around encampments is 224 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,640 more some criminal and inappropriate 225 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,040 behavior the health and safety and 226 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,560 sanitation issues in those areas um the 227 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,600 enjoyment of our park and town owned 228 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,040 property for others um and when there 229 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,760 are issues our First Responders have 230 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,959 some significant challenges in getting 231 00:10:49,959 --> 00:10:52,240 there safely and getting people in need 232 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,279 of services out safely so it it's a much 233 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:57,600 broader issue um so I wanted to allow 234 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,519 Chief Veron a few minutes just to kind 235 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,360 of explain um what the encampment 236 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,839 response team did they did their Maiden 237 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:09,279 T if you will um last week and he can 238 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,079 explain a little further on that process 239 00:11:11,079 --> 00:11:12,560 because I think it's important to 240 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,839 understand that the town is is 241 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:18,200 compassionate and wants to do the right 242 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,160 thing um this is in my in my estimation 243 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,839 more important and it's a continuation 244 00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:25,800 of stuff that we've really been doing 245 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,720 now for months if not years but it's 246 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,600 just a little more formalized Chief 247 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,279 right thank you so the team got together 248 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:36,760 uh we had a meeting and we set some 249 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,720 goals um the goals were to um use the 250 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,760 community param medicine to assess any 251 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,000 medical needs 252 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,600 um we had U members from Thrive 253 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,279 Behavioral Health that were there for 254 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:49,760 outreach and 255 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,399 counseling um the local heads the Health 256 00:11:53,399 --> 00:11:56,440 Equity Zone uh to give survey 257 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,839 questions uh westwall police 258 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:03,600 uh to get an accurate count and identify 259 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,200 uh the population and to photo document 260 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,519 the 261 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:12,360 areas um we ided uh specific encampments 262 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,760 and mapped them uh DPW was there they 263 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,680 assess the area for 264 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,240 cleanup uh whether we'd be able to do it 265 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,480 or if we might need a private contractor 266 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:28,199 in some cases um to do that um we also 267 00:12:28,199 --> 00:12:31,560 um provided uh the verbal uh first 268 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,639 notice of um any action that might 269 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:36,600 happen on December 270 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,279 2nd so th those were our goals going out 271 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,519 um so the Thursday September 26th uh the 272 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:47,720 team met at 6 o'clock in the morning at 273 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,480 DPW headquarters on junior street and we 274 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:57,040 started uh from there on a walking area 275 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,199 um know walking from there so present 276 00:13:00,199 --> 00:13:02,000 we're uh Wendy budro from the Health 277 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,320 Equity Zone she is the uh Community 278 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,079 organizer and food access assistant we 279 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:11,120 had the housing lead uh housing first 280 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,560 lead case manager from Thrive Behavioral 281 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,519 Health trip Mccreary and joining later 282 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:18,279 was a pair recovery specialist from 283 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:20,760 Thrive uh 284 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,920 rivka uh DPW director Jeff calwell uh we 285 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,199 had two westw police officers and the be 286 00:13:29,199 --> 00:13:32,000 uh behavioral navigator from the westw 287 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,079 police um our coordinator for the mobile 288 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:37,680 Integrated Health Community param 289 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:40,720 medicine uh also came along so we had 290 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,399 quite a few people uh as we proceeded uh 291 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:48,160 we visited 12 separate sites um and we 292 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,000 had personal interactions with the 293 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,519 individuals and each of those sites and 294 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:56,120 all of those interactions were 295 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,759 positive um team was well well received 296 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:03,240 everybody was respectful and 297 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,519 um you know we had 298 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,800 a good 299 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,800 interactions uh the total number of 300 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,079 individuals that were identified were 44 301 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:16,959 in those 12 different 302 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:21,560 areas um we distributed Nan um from 303 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,360 Community param medicine uh when we team 304 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,399 up with the Outreach and they they go 305 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:28,800 kind of on out a weekly but there were 306 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,079 probably about 20 kits handed out last 307 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:33,920 week of 308 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,160 notan um the cleanup assessment was uh 309 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,839 completed by director 310 00:14:38,839 --> 00:14:42,839 Caldwell uh he put a rough number of 311 00:14:42,839 --> 00:14:43,839 about 312 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:47,639 22,000 to clean up all 12 different 313 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:49,240 sites 314 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,440 um is that is that for us to clean for 315 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,519 DPW to clean that up 22,000 so um you'd 316 00:14:56,519 --> 00:14:57,959 have to ask the director I got that 317 00:14:57,959 --> 00:15:00,160 number but I'm sure he could answer 318 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,240 exactly what how that breaks down um the 319 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,120 ongoing work that we're looking now 320 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,920 after this right we visited everyone uh 321 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,160 but some of the things that we want to 322 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,079 look for going forward um include 323 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:14,360 confirmation of the populations that are 324 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,800 on the state coordinated entry system so 325 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,680 now we've identified as a municipality 326 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,279 the individuals we can check and make 327 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:22,759 sure that they are all on the 328 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:25,399 coordinated entry system so Thrive is 329 00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:29,160 going to be doing um assisting us uh in 330 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,319 handling that we're also reaching out to 331 00:15:31,319 --> 00:15:34,079 the westw housing authority to see how 332 00:15:34,079 --> 00:15:38,800 many of the 44 are on their list okay to 333 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,399 see what what Avenues might be um 334 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,680 another thing that um while we were're 335 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,920 doing our um tour through the 336 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,240 encampments we did find several hypmic 337 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,759 needles um they were properly taken and 338 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:57,800 um disposed of uh we obtained shops 339 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,360 containers 340 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,319 and we're going to be putting those out 341 00:16:02,319 --> 00:16:06,720 into into the um areas and uh hopefully 342 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,880 reduce the number of needles there are 343 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,470 on the areas or anywhere 344 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,670 else 345 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,880 um and part of what the community 346 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,120 paramedicine would like to do going 347 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,720 forward also would be make sure that 348 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,600 there were Primary Care um you know um 349 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,360 providers with each of the um 350 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,639 encampments 351 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:31,759 uh 352 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:33,519 individuals so those are some of the 353 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:35,600 things that we're looking forward going 354 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,360 forward any questions for the chief how 355 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,959 does that work as far as um because you 356 00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:43,120 said you picked up several needles are 357 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 you talking you know three four or there 358 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,279 was there were um about a dozen maybe a 359 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:50,959 little bit more than a dozen but in that 360 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:53,199 that area in those in those 12 were 361 00:16:53,199 --> 00:16:55,279 mostly they weren't in each site by any 362 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:56,839 means they were just a couple of the 363 00:16:56,839 --> 00:16:59,360 sites that um 364 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,079 and how how does the sharps container 365 00:17:01,079 --> 00:17:03,959 work is that like um it's a red hard 366 00:17:03,959 --> 00:17:06,160 plastic container that when um the 367 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,039 needle is used they can place it in the 368 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:09,880 needle when you go into the doctor's 369 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,000 office you containers so those are what 370 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,679 they are so who's going to retrieve 371 00:17:14,679 --> 00:17:17,520 those in when as it was just put out at 372 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,360 the sites and left there and then no 373 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,400 that we'll we'll retrieve them and and 374 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,669 dispose of them 375 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:28,480 properly thanks as I mentioned this was 376 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,600 just the 377 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,360 the made um tour if you will it'll be a 378 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,440 a scheduled thing that we'll probably do 379 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,840 at least every other week and we'll 380 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,480 increase it based on need and and amount 381 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,320 of contacts and the feedback we get um 382 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,880 on what they experience and do their 383 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,039 after action 384 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:50,600 reports and how long does it will you 385 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,600 will it take for you guys to figure out 386 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,720 who are those people are on in the 387 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,120 coordinate entry or where they are on 388 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,240 the list like how long has that process 389 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,799 take 390 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:02,200 I'm not 100% sure but I I would think it 391 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,880 would be in in a few days okay so days 392 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,919 days as opposed to weeks yes okay 393 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:10,320 yes but just being on the list doesn't 394 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,440 mean that that may take quite a while 395 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,919 and and it's a very intricate system um 396 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:17,520 people who are awarded vouchers 397 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,360 sometimes can wait 12 to 24 months and 398 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,240 sometimes longer before they get housing 399 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,200 even when they get the voucher but 400 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,360 different things affect where they're 401 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,240 they're ranked on that list right where 402 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,720 they're paid I know veterans are 403 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,880 definitely given priority are there 404 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,480 other things that come into play as far 405 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,600 as moving somebody up the list there is 406 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,840 so the length of time that you've been 407 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,840 out um health issues um all play a role 408 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,480 so there is a system there are other 409 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,880 people in the room that could talk much 410 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,240 better about that than I but um you know 411 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,799 how long you've been out and uh on the 412 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:50,840 the coordinated entry system so the 413 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,000 Outreach workers have to have contact 414 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,280 with the 415 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,799 individuals um and they need to update 416 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:59,360 every 90 days if they don't they get 417 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:00,880 dropped off of the list so if they don't 418 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,760 have a contact in 90 days they get 419 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,120 dropped off the list they go back to the 420 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:05,960 ground zero even if they were out for 18 421 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,919 months they lose one they're back at at 422 00:19:08,919 --> 00:19:10,960 Zero from what I understand that's my 423 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,080 understanding of it does something like 424 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,880 What's Happening Now affect that 425 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,880 list it 426 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,000 may it may it may it may affect their 427 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,200 their so there are other people that can 428 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,200 talk better about that than 429 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:31,669 I thank you Chief y 430 00:19:31,679 --> 00:19:33,960 I'll defer to the solicitor to expand 431 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,679 upon his initial draft thank you Mr 432 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:40,400 manager um what I tried to do was a 433 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,039 concerted effort to 434 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,280 avoid conflict as to what certain 435 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,880 communities had done in the past but 436 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,679 obviously we cannot please everyone so I 437 00:19:50,679 --> 00:19:52,080 believe you all received a letter today 438 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,600 from the ACLU I did have a nice 439 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,640 10-minute conversation with step Brown 440 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,600 today and I asked and invited him to 441 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,360 provide us with any um assistance that 442 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:05,520 he could but I tried to break it down 443 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,280 into about 10 different parts number one 444 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,000 is the recognition and the 445 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,280 responsibility of this issue or problem 446 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,960 that faces the town of West War secondly 447 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,559 was to determine the health safety and 448 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:20,240 Welfare of all of its 449 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,840 citizens third the burden presented to 450 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,159 the town and its 451 00:20:24,159 --> 00:20:26,440 employees number four the financial 452 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,520 burden it presents to its taxpayers 453 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,720 number five the dangerous elements that 454 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,039 exist within the encampments before we 455 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:36,679 even get to issues pertaining to 456 00:20:36,679 --> 00:20:39,679 behavior or criminality those elements 457 00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:40,559 are 458 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:44,720 fire garbage environmental because 459 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,640 there's sooner sooner or later demm is 460 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,559 going to have to address what's going on 461 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:50,720 on the river banks and what's being 462 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,400 placed into the river by the occupants 463 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,400 of the camps obviously the criminal 464 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,360 element issues pertaining to San itation 465 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,280 Clean Water and 466 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,039 Sewer I was cognizant of the fact and I 467 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:08,600 wanted to make it clear that just the 468 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,159 fact of sleeping outside in and of 469 00:21:11,159 --> 00:21:14,400 itself is not a crime however criminal 470 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,520 Behavior just like in any society will 471 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,679 not be tolerated at all I was given a 472 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:21,520 directive that legal notice was to be 473 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,559 made to the existing 474 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:25,720 occupants um indicating that the 475 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,159 encampments shall be eliminated as of 476 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,760 December 2nd 477 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,080 2024 West War shall attempt to assist in 478 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,080 any type of Rel excuse me relocation or 479 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,880 assistance to those occupants however 480 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,520 that's going to be based upon monies 481 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,960 received from either the state or 482 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,159 federal government because as as Council 483 00:21:45,159 --> 00:21:47,640 knows there's no supplemental money in 484 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,679 this year's fiscal budget to address 485 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:52,360 these issues so if Jeff Caldwell is 486 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,200 telling you right now there's a $22,000 487 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,640 cleanup cost for the 12 sites happening 488 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,919 once if it happens again and again and 489 00:22:00,919 --> 00:22:02,480 again because the sites are filled up 490 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,679 there's just going to be an additional 491 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:05,279 expense not to cut you off but just to 492 00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:07,760 add to that point that's 22,000 that's 493 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,360 also taking the guys off of the street 494 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:10,799 doing other jobs throughout the rest of 495 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:14,240 the town too but the the my 10th point 496 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,159 was the public has a continuing duty to 497 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:20,480 notify Public Safety in the town of West 498 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,000 War as to what is going on being silent 499 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,600 does not help the issue so if you see 500 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,559 any type of criminal activity you should 501 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,760 report it because as this Council has 502 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,600 been made aware several times in the 503 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,080 past say five years um the westw police 504 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,480 department do respond they do 505 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,640 investigate and if necessary they do 506 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,799 make arrest so uh the format of this 507 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,279 starting off with the Preamble and then 508 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:47,960 getting into some definitions and then 509 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,919 getting into some just notice uh issues 510 00:22:50,919 --> 00:22:54,039 as it pertains to what can uh be 511 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:55,840 addressed regarding some of the criminal 512 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,960 activity and some of the other Behavior 513 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,200 uh is really as as it indicates it's a 514 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,200 draft so for those that want to make 515 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,240 changes whether you want to reduce the 516 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,799 uh with the content or you want to 517 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,799 increase the content it doesn't make a 518 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,240 difference to me I did put in um two 519 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,600 issues as it pertains to um information 520 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,159 we have received one from the federal 521 00:23:19,159 --> 00:23:21,400 government the document that's entitled 522 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,240 19 strategies for communities to address 523 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,640 encampments humanely and effectively and 524 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,720 the second one is uh the Rhode Island 525 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,760 homeless Bill of Rights which was passed 526 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,000 in 527 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,960 2012 um so those documents are going to 528 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,600 be utilized along with the task force or 529 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,480 uh in order to come up with uh the 530 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,799 corrective action plans which are going 531 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,279 to be moving targets because things are 532 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:49,159 going to be changing especially now 533 00:23:49,159 --> 00:23:50,480 since the weather's getting colder and 534 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,039 Winter's coming so um again it's a work 535 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:56,960 in progress uh any modifications 536 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,120 obviously will be uh put into writing so 537 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:01,720 at the second reading or at the first 538 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,520 amended reading because we basically 539 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,200 plan this out uh going backwards from 540 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,320 the December 2nd Date you're going to 541 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,080 have two additional meetings after this 542 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,679 one one will be the second meeting in 543 00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:14,120 October and the first meeting in 544 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,600 November after the election would be the 545 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,360 date that if everything's U finalized 546 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,600 that would be the passing uh of the 547 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,240 second reading and then within 20 days 548 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,320 or December 2nd it would go into effect 549 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,720 so if there's any questions right now 550 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,320 about the ordinance I would be happy to 551 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,760 try to answer them any question from the 552 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,440 council Tim the town manager or the fire 553 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,799 chief I will open this up to the public 554 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,320 any comment or 555 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,480 concerns I don't want to cut everybody 556 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,520 off I think this young lady had her hand 557 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,200 up first 558 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,799 though hi my name is G La 559 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:54,760 um I've been going through uh I cook at 560 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,440 my house I cook at the house I'm staying 561 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,960 at and it's not my home but I cook there 562 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,960 and I Fe I go to the church and I feed 563 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,640 the Homeless every Tuesday Sunday I in 564 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,120 my church we feed in my chest we feed 565 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,960 them on Sunday um I've been around 566 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,320 everywhere and I explained to them that 567 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,799 the problem that you people are having 568 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,640 is because of the neat there's it's not 569 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,440 neat it's dirty it's garbage is it's 570 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,480 terrible so I recommended last time I 571 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,520 Was Here If instead of 572 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,399 paying $10,000 a year to have one one 573 00:25:33,399 --> 00:25:35,039 person in jail 574 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,679 because they may get riled up they're 575 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:40,320 getting riled up by the police 576 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,080 already um one of my 577 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,360 friends the police officer went up to 578 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,080 him and said I want to see your shoes he 579 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,559 said for f he says I want to see your 580 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,559 shoes so he says all right so we checked 581 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:55,480 out shoes he said no you ain't the one 582 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,760 who robbed jenden why I I don't 583 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,520 understand why they're getting them 584 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,240 miled up all right maybe that's not 585 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,679 important to anybody but it's important 586 00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:05,640 to me I'm trying to get them where 587 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,520 they're cleaning up the place 588 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,000 and uh we're trying to have them have 589 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,399 bags now why can't they have bags in a 590 00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:19,000 garbage bucket whatever pale and then 591 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,480 when it's time for them to pick up the 592 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,320 garbage why can't they just come pick up 593 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,200 the garage why we all work together 594 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,880 instead of I mean if you had a child and 595 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,480 you were sick and tired of his drugs and 596 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,919 his drink and you threw him out would 597 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:35,640 you want him somewhere I mean in a tent 598 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,000 but would you want that tent knocked 599 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,159 down if they just clean up can we just 600 00:26:41,159 --> 00:26:43,679 work together I mean I don't think 601 00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:45,279 that's so 602 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,640 hard I wouldn't want my child out there 603 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,200 and um just because I can't handle the 604 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600 drinking and the drugs I don't want him 605 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,880 having his tank now that's all they got 606 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,600 so that's going to make a problem and 607 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,760 then having 608 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,840 police officers harassing them enough is 609 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,559 enough come why we just work 610 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,799 together that's all I got to say I will 611 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,120 I will speak on my behalf I think we 612 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:10,919 have 613 00:27:10,919 --> 00:27:14,679 tried um in the encampments we've worked 614 00:27:14,679 --> 00:27:17,240 with paloski Street we've worked and 615 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,200 they just go from one side of the town 616 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,240 to the other to the other they leave the 617 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,480 same mess every I've been going around 618 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,200 and they've been cleaning it they have 619 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,080 it's all clean it's two tents again we 620 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,039 we went over this for hours last time 621 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,880 when you were here you know when people 622 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,000 are in their backyard who are living on 623 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,399 East Main Street as an example and they 624 00:27:39,399 --> 00:27:41,000 can't sit in their backyard without 625 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,519 somebody doing something back there 626 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,240 illegally yelling profanities or saying 627 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,840 nasty things to their children it it's 628 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,480 it becomes a bur and it is a problem the 629 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,679 behind the 630 00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:56,760 school that that should be being be 631 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,640 harassed we 632 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,880 unfortunately with this far away from 633 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,559 the school unfortunately with any 634 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,600 ordinance we cannot say not behind Maisy 635 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,519 Quinn not behind Morgan it all has to be 636 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:12,120 addressed exactly but this is like H way 637 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,559 into the woods and then it comes down 638 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,440 and it's like a city and it's they're 639 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,440 cleaning up I seen it today I went over 640 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,159 there today check up on them and uh it's 641 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:25,000 looks nice actually and I us in a 642 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,960 garbage bag so they are trying 643 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,440 thank you thank 644 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,039 you she she's next and she's raised her 645 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,120 hand just state your name and address 646 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,200 for the right my name is Alyssa um I 647 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,799 live in Bristol and I'm here tonight 648 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:49,279 because this specifically affects myself 649 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,519 and my children we have both been 650 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,840 homeless um it's important to me I also 651 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,840 volunteer for the coalition 652 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,200 and I speak on it's it's important to me 653 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,360 because each one of us are so close to 654 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,080 being a paycheck away from homelessness 655 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,679 I am in the middle of fighting an act of 656 00:29:12,679 --> 00:29:16,600 eviction at home I am a domestic abuse 657 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320 Survivor and I 658 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,320 um I was fortunate enough to secure a 659 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,480 Housing Voucher um given my 660 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,880 circumstances at home and I you probably 661 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,039 none of you know this but when you're on 662 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:33,720 the housing Choice voucher and you 663 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,080 receive Section 8 if you um have 664 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,720 something happen to you I'm going 665 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,600 through an act of eviction and it's 666 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,320 illegal but if you are evicted from your 667 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,120 home you lose that voucher and you end 668 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,519 up back on the streets so a lot of these 669 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,360 people who are in these 670 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,279 encampments are facing those 671 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,120 circumstances and they have nowhere else 672 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,840 to go and I pose you this question 673 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,840 I know that it's unsightly I know that 674 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,799 you don't want to see it where else do 675 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,509 you want them to 676 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:11,320 go you all have homes to go home to I'm 677 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,360 fortunate enough to have my home right 678 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,399 now but I could lose it at any moment I 679 00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:18,760 lived in a shelter for a year with my 680 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,799 children a year and I wrote this very 681 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,799 fancy Bill and legislation that I wanted 682 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,480 pass and when I contacted the co ition I 683 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,399 found out that had already passed um and 684 00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:33,480 I'd like to share it with you all and I 685 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640 think that you guys know the statistics 686 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,000 but just to have it in your 687 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,399 face it's important these are difficult 688 00:30:41,399 --> 00:30:43,640 realities to acknowledge as it forces 689 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,519 people to reimagine their ideas 690 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:47,600 surrounding homelessness it brings the 691 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,440 issue closer to your doorstep as it 692 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,039 should it affects every single one of us 693 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,600 and it could be closer than we'd like to 694 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,960 consider in 2019 a widely cited report 695 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,360 from the brokerage firm Charles and 696 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,120 Schwab found that 59% of Americans were 697 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,320 just one paycheck away from homelessness 698 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,519 a reality compounded by more recent 699 00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:07,919 economic losses caused by covid this is 700 00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:10,600 an uncomfortable real reality for many 701 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,760 let us not be fooled homelessness ends 702 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,799 when someone is in a home let's start by 703 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,159 removing the obstacles and get closer to 704 00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:20,600 that Reality by working together 705 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,639 homelessness is a symptom of a traumatic 706 00:31:22,639 --> 00:31:25,399 event the loss of a job the inability to 707 00:31:25,399 --> 00:31:27,240 pay for needed health care costs 708 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,200 domestic abuse abuse or Mental Health 709 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,559 crisis why are we looking to pass 710 00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:32,840 legislation that would further 711 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,799 traumatize the most vulnerable 712 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,200 population in our community and in the 713 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600 world we should be working together to 714 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080 remove these barriers identify the need 715 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,120 and care for those in the community but 716 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,679 yet we are criminalizing these 717 00:31:46,679 --> 00:31:49,120 experiences with this proposal and these 718 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,159 folks are being further traumatized and 719 00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:53,600 impacted their ability to overcome the 720 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,960 overwhelming obstacles that they are 721 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,159 already faced with it's damaging and 722 00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:00,000 traumatizing and least people with no 723 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,600 choice no voice and no 724 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,200 shelter having a safe and decent place 725 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,320 to live is really a fundamental right 726 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,880 every one of th these folks in the 727 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,590 encampment is being told by this 728 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,360 legislation that they have no rights and 729 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,440 they're being taken away the decision 730 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,240 would also lead to Fuller further 731 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,840 polarization within the community 732 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,679 between the police department and this 733 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:28,159 atrisk community 734 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:32,360 in 2022 60.6% of homeless people were 735 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200 cisgender men compared to 38.3% of 736 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240 cisgender women around 1.1% were 737 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Americans non-binary or questioning in 738 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,679 which 57% of unsheltered women report 739 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:45,519 that domestic violence was the immediate 740 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:46,880 cause of their 741 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,000 homelessness other adults are now the 742 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,559 fastest growing age group of those 743 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,600 experiencing homelessness composing 744 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,559 nearly half of the homeless population 745 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,080 according to an October 2023 Department 746 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,720 of Health and Human Services HHS report 747 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,919 more than 20% of all unhoused people 748 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:04,039 have a serious mental health condition 749 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:05,799 according to an article posted by the 750 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:07,840 National Alliance on Mental Illness 751 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,360 lastly of the 16.5 million veterans in 752 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,279 the US there is an estimated 37,000 753 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,880 homeless veterans in 2020 and around 754 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,799 15,000 living completely unsheltered 755 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,919 these are our veterans these are the 756 00:33:20,919 --> 00:33:23,919 people that fought for our 757 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:26,960 country in January of 2023 there were 758 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,399 7.4 increase in the number of veterans 759 00:33:29,399 --> 00:33:32,240 experiencing homelessness from 2022 760 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,639 according to case studies we over to our 761 00:33:34,639 --> 00:33:36,720 society at large to be in charge of the 762 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,720 world and ensure a better future for all 763 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,799 of our neighbors our friends and our 764 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,519 foes we all deserve a hand up and the 765 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:45,799 opportunity to succeed let's be the 766 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,240 change that we want to 767 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,549 see thank you thank 768 00:33:55,559 --> 00:34:00,080 you good evening um I'm Vincent marzulo 769 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,880 from 28 Crossland Road West Warwick uh 770 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,120 former national service uh director for 771 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,960 the federal government for 31 years also 772 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,240 deployed uh more than a half a dozen 773 00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:16,040 times to oversee humanitarian relief 774 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,839 work around the country with hundreds of 775 00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:22,960 national uh service members um I spoke 776 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,599 the last time we gathered to discuss 777 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,000 this issue and on some Sunday um I took 778 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,599 the liberty of getting on my bike going 779 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,560 on the bike path to do a informal 780 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,280 assessment um I'm shocked but not 781 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,839 unsurprised to hear the chief indicate 782 00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:43,440 that there are at least a dozen sites I 783 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,800 visited two one directly in back of 784 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,040 Oregon uh in back of the uh on the side 785 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,200 of the uh uh skateboard park and it 786 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,480 seemed to be clean I I didn't I was by 787 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,880 myself I didn't make any direct contact 788 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,440 with anyone there um but it looked 789 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,760 orderly and um I didn't see any illegal 790 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,720 activity at that time I continued down 791 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,320 the bike 792 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,040 path and I was shocked that directly in 793 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,320 back of the West Warwick Mana where the 794 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,280 Housing Authority is located off the 795 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,560 bike path is another encampment with I 796 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,839 don't know at least two I think three 797 00:35:28,839 --> 00:35:33,040 T but maybe about eight people one t had 798 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,119 an elderly woman over 70 years of age 799 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,920 who looked like she was in serious 800 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,480 mental uh in in serious health condition 801 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,240 as well as her 46 year old son both in 802 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,480 the tent laying there trying to rest 803 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,440 okay I Al I talked to one of the other 804 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,880 individuals there who was looking and 805 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880 and asked if if she could get 806 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,760 Rehabilitation or drug treatment help 807 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,359 and another gentleman and and a 808 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:07,000 Gentleman who indicated he was a veteran 809 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,960 52 years old who does not have a drug 810 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,560 problem but he's got an alcohol problem 811 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,560 and he would like help 812 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,079 so yes this is complicated and we need 813 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,440 all Hands Medical 814 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,640 Logistics you know and support case 815 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,359 management housing to deal with this and 816 00:36:30,359 --> 00:36:32,839 I'm still not sure whether the town has 817 00:36:32,839 --> 00:36:34,800 asked for support from the league of 818 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,800 cities and towns and the state 819 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,359 delegation to really tackle this because 820 00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:42,040 all the municipalities are becoming 821 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,800 overwhelmed with this issue our 822 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,800 solicitor made reference to the letter 823 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,640 that was transmitted this afternoon uh 824 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,319 to all of the members here that letter 825 00:36:53,319 --> 00:36:56,640 was not only transmitted by the ACLU it 826 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,280 was transmitted by of Rhode Island 827 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,960 Housing advocacy project which I 828 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,319 volunteer and and um assist with the 829 00:37:04,319 --> 00:37:06,640 Rhode Island Coalition for the homeless 830 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,280 which many years ago I provided national 831 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,839 service members to in order to begin 832 00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:14,560 them to start their effort better Better 833 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,400 Lives Rhode Island which is a Case 834 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,400 Management Service Organization for the 835 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,440 homeless as well as the ACLU I'm not 836 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,880 going to read the whole letter there's 837 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,520 one paragraph though which sort of 838 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,960 summarize summarizes a sentiment that a 839 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,800 lot of people had have when they 840 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,680 attempted to read this proposed 841 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,040 ordinance and I'm still not sure what 842 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,960 today's item is whether this is really a 843 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,520 first reading of the proposed ordinance 844 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,359 because if this is the proposed 845 00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:50,760 ordinance we have some serious problems 846 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,119 just let me read this one paragraph from 847 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,720 the ACLU finally purely on a drafting 848 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,280 level we find that the ordinance is 849 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,720 extremely difficult to follow it's 850 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,960 confusing and re and repetitive wording 851 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,480 along with its perplexing inventory of 852 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,720 dozens of state statutes and United 853 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,119 ordinances leaves a reasonal person 854 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,319 without a clear understanding of exactly 855 00:38:18,319 --> 00:38:22,079 what is prohibited indeed the ordinance 856 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,079 is so broadly worded it would appear to 857 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:28,920 subject to penalties a dve dri who pulls 858 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560 their car over on the side of the road 859 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,839 to nap before continuing on their way 860 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:40,560 so you know this document H however you 861 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,880 are classifying it tonight God help us 862 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,200 if it ever becomes an ordinance as my 863 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,079 old buddy and God Rest his soul Joe 864 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,839 penger would say this has become a 865 00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:55,240 lawyer's dream apparently where they're 866 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,720 just spending hundreds and hundreds of 867 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,280 ours to come up with verbiage and 868 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,760 language whether it really meets the 869 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,720 true test of the law and allows us to 870 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,640 deal with this in a more responsible and 871 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,319 humane way 872 00:39:11,319 --> 00:39:15,079 so I I suggest this thing as the letter 873 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,880 indicates be withdrawn and and be 874 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,560 reworked if it's really going to be 875 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,680 entertained and be done much more 876 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200 thoughtfully and seriously there's 877 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,400 there's too much missing from this do 878 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,359 document that's only going to invite 879 00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:33,119 legal challenges and embarrassment to 880 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,440 this community and we should attempt to 881 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,440 address this problem in a more 882 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,760 collaborative way with Community 883 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,560 religious organizations and the support 884 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,720 of of our state delegation and the 885 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,480 governor they have continued to walk 886 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,280 away from this Duty and as some of you 887 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,520 might may now know we are in discussions 888 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,880 with attorneys to obtain a RIT of 889 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,599 mandate fam in order to order and direct 890 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,319 the inter agency Council on homelessness 891 00:40:03,319 --> 00:40:05,880 which has failed in its responsibility 892 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,119 for eight years in dealing with this 893 00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:11,800 issue to do their job those individuals 894 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920 18 of them including the lieutenant 895 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,720 governor are identified in that law and 896 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,640 they have a duty as a result of their 897 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,160 oath to fulfill them that mandate which 898 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,880 was to develop a state strategic plan 899 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,599 and end homelessness in Rhode Ireland 900 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,599 they walked away from it in 216 and now 901 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,359 we have the result of this and and we're 902 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:36,240 expected in individual municipality by 903 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,640 municipality to have to deal with it 904 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,640 it's outrageous you should join us in 905 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,680 the community in seeking the rid of 906 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,440 mandamus so that the state officials who 907 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,040 are required to address this thing in a 908 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,079 more resourceful way do it instead you 909 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:55,880 know where's the leadership and where is 910 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,920 the real we can't criminalize a way out 911 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,760 of this you don't have the cops you 912 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,960 don't have the EMT guys I mean th I mean 913 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960 this is nice but it's not going to get 914 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,920 us there it's only going to complicate 915 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,400 things and we're going to wind up 916 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,760 looking like 917 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,480 buffoons and we shouldn't be there I 918 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,960 mean we should set an example with the 919 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,240 new housing secretary with the governor 920 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,079 when he comes back from vacation he 921 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:21,839 should be here dealing with this how 922 00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:23,720 does the answer to the people who are on 923 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,240 the bik pad 924 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,760 tonight doesn't happen 925 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,359 you know so I I just ask again that the 926 00:41:30,359 --> 00:41:32,800 better angels that we have inside of us 927 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,599 that we deal with this in a more 928 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:36,599 responsible way thank you for your time 929 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,000 thank you VIN I I kind of have to Echo a 930 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,040 lot of the sentiments from Vinnie That 931 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,079 We're Not Gonna rest our way out of this 932 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,200 and even if even if this was the 933 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,960 ordinance that we used it's really not 934 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,800 enforceable it's almost like some of 935 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,440 those ordinances to to do we have enough 936 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,680 we don't really have enough manpower to 937 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,880 go out there and 938 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,560 really to really eliminate all the tents 939 00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,960 in the entire town I just don't think 940 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,680 it's really possible to do I mean if 941 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,800 somebody wants to correct me if I'm 942 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,920 wrong I don't I don't think we have 943 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,560 enough even if even if we wanted to I 944 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,280 don't think it's possible first let me 945 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,119 speak on you know we talked about the 946 00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,280 task force and the Chief came up here 947 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,720 and said you know doing the actual tour 948 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,079 of the sites they're able to find out 949 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,200 what's needed the town is more involved 950 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,880 than ever now we have been very involved 951 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,599 over the past year and a half for two 952 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,319 years where we were having conference 953 00:42:29,319 --> 00:42:31,520 calls on almost every Monday I know Mary 954 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,200 Beth and myself were on there trying to 955 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,880 come up with Solutions so the town is 956 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,559 very passionate and and very concerned 957 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,520 about the person who's living in those 958 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,000 encampments and we want to make sure 959 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,359 it's safe we want to make sure it's 960 00:42:44,359 --> 00:42:45,920 clean we want to make sure the 961 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,760 neighborhoods is safe and clean for the 962 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,559 the residents who are living here so 963 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:54,160 it's it's not a time where we just say 964 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,160 get them out and we don't want them here 965 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,680 we as a department heads and and task 966 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,440 force and all the groups that are trying 967 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,720 to help are getting closer and closer to 968 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,240 figuring it out now is December 2nd a 969 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,520 deadline we would like to set that date 970 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,559 we set that date but if there's 971 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:11,839 individuals that need help with 972 00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:14,119 alcoholism and all that let's try to get 973 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,760 them that help that's the first step you 974 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,119 know it's not just drugs and alcohol 975 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,640 it's it's abuse it's whatever it may be 976 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,559 but every person and we said it here 977 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:27,520 last time has their own story but 978 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,720 there's different stories and different 979 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,440 circumstances and there's going to be 980 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,720 people who don't want the help and 981 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:35,839 that's where we need to really push back 982 00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,680 if somebody doesn't want the help and 983 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,920 doesn't want and wants to live on Town 984 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,280 property and destroy it then they should 985 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,559 not be welcome that's that's what we 986 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,079 were saying three hours in three and a 987 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,319 half hours last 988 00:43:49,319 --> 00:43:51,800 meeting also all all encampments are 989 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,880 really not created equally I think that 990 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,119 some of these issues out there are 991 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,760 terrible and it's it's also dangerous 992 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,800 for our police fire if we expect our DPW 993 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000 to go out there and clean it it's it's 994 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,670 going to be a 995 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,359 mess and I and I just want to State you 996 00:44:08,359 --> 00:44:11,040 know and Jay you said it numerous times 997 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,400 every time we talk about this We Kick 998 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,760 the Can down the road we ignore it we 999 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,319 don't do nothing about it we just sit 1000 00:44:17,319 --> 00:44:19,680 here and discuss it well we finally said 1001 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,240 we're going to do something about it and 1002 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,319 now some people want to kick the can 1003 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:25,520 down the road so we can be here next 1004 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,109 year doing the same conversation 1005 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:31,440 why can't you just do what I asked like 1006 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,319 give them bags it's cheaper and let them 1007 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:35,960 clean it and put it in the bucket we've 1008 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,800 given dumpsters we've given bags we've 1009 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,359 given well let's let let's do it again 1010 00:44:40,359 --> 00:44:42,440 let's try it 1011 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,800 again and you did say last week that 1012 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040 they would be arrested you did say that 1013 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,160 last week I specifically said I don't 1014 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,640 want to see anybody get arrested because 1015 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,599 if that person has an opportunity to get 1016 00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:55,880 a job and if that wre is going to stop 1017 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,760 them from getting a job what disservice 1018 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,190 did we I was here last 1019 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,240 week no I'm telling you what I said if 1020 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,079 nobody wants to vote it was said that 1021 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,920 they would get arrested they could be on 1022 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,760 the property and it's up to the building 1023 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,040 or the the landlord to get them up but 1024 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,480 if they do something crial they're going 1025 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,000 to get arrested two different situations 1026 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,520 but they're pushing them to get they're 1027 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,920 pushing them they're talking about two 1028 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,839 different situations this is Town 1029 00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,240 property we're talking about this 1030 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,040 ordinance now if they're on private 1031 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,760 property it's up to the main lord of the 1032 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,240 building it's not up to this Council to 1033 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,160 deal with right the council is 1034 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,160 responsible for Town property okay if 1035 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,280 they're on private property that could 1036 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,640 be a trespassing order that could be 1037 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,319 something else that has nothing to do 1038 00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:39,160 with us so yes they could be asked to 1039 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,359 leave or if they're on private property 1040 00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:43,160 with permission there's actually nothing 1041 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,800 the town could do at that point that's 1042 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,280 right so that's what I tried to explain 1043 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,680 I don't want to see one person get 1044 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,119 arrested and not have an opportunity to 1045 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:53,359 get a job because of that arrest I 1046 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,640 unless unless that they're doing 1047 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,200 something that's Al not just for being 1048 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,440 homeless exactly but right now they're 1049 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,040 getting pushed and I don't think it's 1050 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640 fair they're getting harassed and I feel 1051 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,319 like they getting harassed till December 1052 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:09,240 2nd where they're going to be all ready 1053 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,640 all aggravated and then they're getting 1054 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,280 ready to G to fight back and I told them 1055 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,359 don't fight I know one situation about 1056 00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:18,920 sneakers a kid was playing down at um 1057 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,119 the basketball courts down in N uh River 1058 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,359 Point River Point he turned around his 1059 00:46:24,359 --> 00:46:26,599 sneakers were gone they filed the police 1060 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:28,200 report so yes they probably were looking 1061 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,839 for the kid sneakers that were playing 1062 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:31,440 basketball and he turned around to find 1063 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,079 them going can I tell you the story that 1064 00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:35,280 the police officer said to him somebody 1065 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,280 was stealing somebody stole it gendrin 1066 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,920 that's why he wanted to check out a 1067 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,200 sneaker I know the guy personally he's a 1068 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,040 friend of mine he called me up and told 1069 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,960 me about it he's getting harassed by the 1070 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,040 cops I said what for he said the cop 1071 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,440 came up to him and asked him he want to 1072 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,319 see his sneakers he said what for he 1073 00:46:51,319 --> 00:46:53,559 said I just want to see a sneaky said oh 1074 00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:55,520 check he checked the sneaky said no 1075 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,800 that's not you he say so happy goes 1076 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,079 because somebody stole at 1077 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,280 gendrin that's what the story was 1078 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,720 because it happened to 1079 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:08,119 him I'll bring him in you can ask I'm 1080 00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,920 good thank you any other public comment 1081 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,280 just state your name and address for the 1082 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,640 record uh Sarah Tucket Rhode Island um 1083 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,319 obviously I don't live in West Warwick 1084 00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:20,559 but I have worked in West Warwick for 1085 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,520 many years doing Street Outreach um I no 1086 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,599 longer conduct Street Outreach in a 1087 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,200 professional way but like to come out my 1088 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,920 personal time when I can um just to 1089 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,480 qualify um I know a lot of the concerns 1090 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,520 around the encampments have to do with 1091 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,559 legal illegal activity uh issues of 1092 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,599 Sanitation disruption noise you name it 1093 00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,040 um and I just can't help but think of 1094 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,400 the obvious with that is that those all 1095 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,960 go away when people get housed right 1096 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,319 you're seeing all that take place 1097 00:47:51,319 --> 00:47:52,640 outside because they have nowhere else 1098 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,880 to go um and like the other folks who so 1099 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,160 gracefully spoke before me um if you 1100 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,559 keep pushing people around that's still 1101 00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:02,040 not going to solve the problem you're 1102 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,079 just moving them to a different block or 1103 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:05,839 a different neighborhood where the same 1104 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:08,920 exact issue is going to repeat itself in 1105 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,880 Forever um with no real solution I'm not 1106 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,040 in favor of this ordinance it doesn't it 1107 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,200 doesn't create any positive avenues for 1108 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,160 people to Access housing it's vague and 1109 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,480 it's approach in saying that the council 1110 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,160 or the town will work with individuals 1111 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,240 um even if the town were to work with 1112 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,200 individuals to locate and find shelter 1113 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,160 or housing they merely do not exist in 1114 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,960 our state they are not to the capacity 1115 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,280 that we need them um I know a lot of 1116 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,160 folks are talking about substance use 1117 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,000 and alcohol use um yeah it's true that 1118 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,160 some people are not interested in 1119 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,680 treatment because every time they go to 1120 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000 treatment they come back out and they 1121 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,240 have to live in a tent in the woods so 1122 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,280 for me I'm a person in recovery if I was 1123 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,920 living outside number one I would 1124 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,040 absolutely be drinking to numb that pain 1125 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,240 um and two I went to treatment what is 1126 00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,680 the point what is the point of me 1127 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,280 turning my life around when I'm going to 1128 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,079 have to go back outside into a tent um 1129 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,599 and then regards to the needles there 1130 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:08,160 are needle exchange programs that come 1131 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,920 into West Warwick and dispose of those 1132 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,920 needles um in my experience when going 1133 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,280 out there um I have not ever seen it to 1134 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,000 be a major problem in the town of West 1135 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,119 Warwick I'm sure someone has seen once 1136 00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:20,000 in their life before but I've never seen 1137 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,960 it be a large problem um tonight I 1138 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,240 haven't heard any real solutions to the 1139 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,280 problem and how to address the housing 1140 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,160 issue in West Warwick and what we're 1141 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,520 actually going to do before December 2nd 1142 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,440 because I can guarantee you nobody's 1143 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,960 going to get house between now and 1144 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,960 December 2nd they probably won't even 1145 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,799 find sustainable shelter most shelters 1146 00:49:40,799 --> 00:49:44,240 are shortterm or for intermediate you're 1147 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,520 only in there overnight and then you're 1148 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,960 out in the morning um so none of these 1149 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,280 really feel like it's going to get to 1150 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,280 the issue and we're going to keep 1151 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,319 spinning our Wheels over and over again 1152 00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:53,559 and you're going to have a higher crime 1153 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:55,079 rate in West Warwick because you're 1154 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:56,319 going to keep arresting people that have 1155 00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:58,119 no else to go I know you said you don't 1156 00:49:58,119 --> 00:49:59,240 want to arrest people but that's 1157 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:03,200 ultimately what ends up happening um and 1158 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,839 I would just like to see people get 1159 00:50:04,839 --> 00:50:07,200 housed it's not um these are everyone's 1160 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,520 neighbors whether you want to admit it 1161 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,960 or not these aren't people coming from 1162 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,520 different towns most of these people are 1163 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,559 from West Warwick themselves um and I 1164 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,480 would like to see better support of our 1165 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,839 neighbors um and that's all I have to 1166 00:50:18,839 --> 00:50:24,710 say thank you thank you 1167 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:29,000 sir d62 Avenue we're losing track of the 1168 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,040 entire topic here the topic is the 1169 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,559 health and well-being of our citizens 1170 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,680 and our children these people are living 1171 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,720 in camps at fields at places where 1172 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,680 children play we're losing track of the 1173 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,400 entire situation okay yes I'm 1174 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,839 compassionate they're homeless they need 1175 00:50:44,839 --> 00:50:46,480 a place to live they don't need a place 1176 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,000 to live where children are at play where 1177 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,280 families are trying to do family 1178 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,920 activities I experienced a situation 1179 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,520 last week I'm working at my building 1180 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,680 behind Riverpoint I hear sirens and 1181 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,599 sirens and Sirens I'm like man that 1182 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,200 place on fire I go back there cuz I hear 1183 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,280 the air brakes I sit in my truck and I 1184 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,200 watch it's a Saturday you got families 1185 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,920 on the softball field you got families 1186 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,559 in the playground you got families on 1187 00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,160 the soccer field and you got apparatus 1188 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,599 all around that place because somebody 1189 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,040 OD that's what the situation is here and 1190 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,599 that's what these people are missing 1191 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,720 number two all these advocates in here 1192 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:23,839 listen to them they're from Pentucket 1193 00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:25,400 they're from Smithfield they're from 1194 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,480 here they're from there how about coming 1195 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,079 from West War none of them from West War 1196 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,480 if they're so worried about what's going 1197 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,160 on in West War take them home with you 1198 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,839 it's that easy bring them to your 1199 00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:38,200 community they're not all bad people I 1200 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,319 get it 1201 00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:42,680 however I know not one of you will 1202 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,040 probably take a walk through River Point 1203 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,160 right now without an officer or somebody 1204 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,599 that's going to stand up to help protect 1205 00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:50,559 you I'm gonna tell you that right now 1206 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:51,440 I'll go through there if you want to 1207 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,799 come with me it's a mess they're losing 1208 00:51:54,799 --> 00:51:56,280 track they're trying to throw dust at 1209 00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,280 you guys guys the dust is it's a safety 1210 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,680 factor for the people of this community 1211 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,160 the children of this community you have 1212 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,440 a river walk down there that the town 1213 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,839 invested money in for families to go 1214 00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:12,760 enjoy for kids to ride their bikes you 1215 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,839 can't do that right now and then the 1216 00:52:14,839 --> 00:52:17,799 island you need to literally take a 1217 00:52:17,799 --> 00:52:19,960 bulldozer and push that over because 1218 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,680 you're not going to put your DPW guys 1219 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,480 down there and I'm going to tell you 1220 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,720 Hazmat people are probably not going to 1221 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,040 want to go down there either 1222 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,200 it's a mess that's what this is about 1223 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,200 this is about what they're doing to our 1224 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,119 community what they're doing to our town 1225 00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:36,720 facilities not what they're doing living 1226 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,200 in their tent sleeping whatever I get 1227 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,839 that everybody's down and out once in a 1228 00:52:40,839 --> 00:52:42,680 while or most people that's what they 1229 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,920 got to do they do it's not those people 1230 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,880 that are causing this 1231 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,040 problem it's people that don't want the 1232 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,880 help it's people that want to do drugs 1233 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,040 it's people that want to whatever they 1234 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,400 don't want the help I'm in employer they 1235 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,720 don't want a 1236 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:01,960 job it's not it's not difficult it's not 1237 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,680 difficult they're our select few yeah 1238 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,960 there's I know the family they're 1239 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,799 talking about behind uh The Manor the 1240 00:53:09,799 --> 00:53:11,720 kid worked for me back in the 1241 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:16,549 days very good kid got caught up in 1242 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,280 drugs that's where he ended up we tried 1243 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,280 helping him time and time again he 1244 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,160 worked for me at least six to seven 1245 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,839 times different 1246 00:53:24,839 --> 00:53:28,000 occasions didn't want to help 1247 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,119 but I gave him a job until he couldn't 1248 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,720 handle the job no more until he started 1249 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,880 bringing it to the job when you bring it 1250 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,520 to the job and it's in my truck you 1251 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,760 don't have a 1252 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,839 job that's what this is about this is 1253 00:53:40,839 --> 00:53:43,559 not about all the homeless us feel bad 1254 00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,119 for them yeah we feel bad for the ones 1255 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,119 that are legitimately homeless and down 1256 00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:49,599 and out and need the help we can't feel 1257 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,160 bad for all of them but it's the bad 1258 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,319 ones that are not making it easy for the 1259 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:57,359 good ones and you have to do it as a 1260 00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:00,160 Full Slate you can't pick and choose now 1261 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,359 the 1262 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:03,960 ordinance I mean for me if I'm going to 1263 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,079 write an ordinance or law I'm not going 1264 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,440 to Target the homeless and put it in Ro 1265 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,960 you encampments is a different word it 1266 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,200 should have been encampments on every 1267 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,599 line item not homeless homeless you're 1268 00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,040 targeting A specific 1269 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,240 group he gets paid good money you should 1270 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:21,119 have known 1271 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,240 that right you're targeting a group 1272 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:25,319 that's why they're all here that's why 1273 00:54:25,319 --> 00:54:26,680 you got the media here because you're 1274 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,240 targeting a group you're not targeting 1275 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,200 camp 1276 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,799 sites now I don't know how you 1277 00:54:35,799 --> 00:54:37,920 backpedal you put it out to the public I 1278 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,640 would never put out the public either 1279 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,240 until the draft was R through and 1280 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,040 probably Homeless was taken out because 1281 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,599 now now you're kind of stuck so as a 1282 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,720 taxpayer and a business owner in this 1283 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:50,920 town I still got to deal with it at 1284 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,040 River Point because they're going to win 1285 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,160 and you're going to 1286 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,230 lose that's all I got to say thank 1287 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,720 you my name is Umberto goes I'm from 1288 00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,680 Texas I'm not from here uh I came here 1289 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,319 for my lady she's from here family's 1290 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,280 from here I only came here just to as 1291 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,359 for her father hand in marriage things 1292 00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:12,280 didn't turn out all right kicked me out 1293 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,240 into the 1294 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,119 streets I live for a while slept at the 1295 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,200 24-hour 24/7 laund I don't know if y'all 1296 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,960 know where that is down over there where 1297 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,319 is that I don't know the address I'm not 1298 00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:23,559 from around you but I sleep for about 1299 00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:25,000 almost a month because I didn't know 1300 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,760 where else to go if it it wasn't for the 1301 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,280 head helping me out I wouldn't have a 1302 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,680 tent I wouldn't have where I could be 1303 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,160 comfortable to sleep after I come out of 1304 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,680 work from Aloha Pizza I work at Aloha 1305 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,280 Pizza try and make some money get some 1306 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,280 food I don't have food stamps I don't 1307 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,240 know how to even go about that to me 1308 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,599 that was only a a female thing but now I 1309 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:42,760 I guess it's both I don't know I don't 1310 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,640 know these things nobody tells me these 1311 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,720 things nobody teach me so I just go with 1312 00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:50,240 work get your money get food survive I 1313 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:51,839 understand everybody has issues with 1314 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:54,119 some homeless men and women that don't 1315 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,400 want the help I understand that there's 1316 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,480 very understanding but the ones that do 1317 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,599 like May said earlier when they notified 1318 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:03,960 to saying hey you guys got to clean up 1319 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,240 your act you can walk where where we are 1320 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,480 we have a very clean area now you 1321 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,559 mentioned about having issues about 1322 00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:13,640 garbage about 22,000 or something like 1323 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,680 that it's like she said or someone else 1324 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,640 said why not ask us to clean it up you 1325 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,000 can ask us and we'll we'll help whoever 1326 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,799 group goes to help up and clean up for 1327 00:56:21,799 --> 00:56:24,119 free I mean we don't I only work some 1328 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:25,640 days I have some other days that are off 1329 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,079 and I can help clean clean up Wendy has 1330 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,960 asked me a few times hey can you clean 1331 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,920 this heyle clean that I got you Wendy I 1332 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,119 cleaned the TR the needles that were 1333 00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:34,680 under the train I cleaned those the 1334 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,039 trash that was under the train I cleaned 1335 00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:37,760 those not asking for money not asking 1336 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,400 for anything else just hey let me know 1337 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,480 some of us want to get out of this 1338 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,359 situation we don't like it but if you're 1339 00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:49,079 attacking on or saying hey camping is 1340 00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:52,079 not allowed in public property that's 1341 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,720 all the camping which you stay or said 1342 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:59,680 permission from for a public uh property 1343 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,880 if you have permission from public 1344 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,280 property you can be there is that right 1345 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,240 private private private but did you say 1346 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,920 public early or no okay so how do you 1347 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,400 even go about any of that I mean where 1348 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,400 it's like they said the problem is 1349 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,079 goingon to be going somewhere else I'm 1350 00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,280 not asking to I I I'm not very familiar 1351 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,480 with all this I'm not ready with that 1352 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,839 more I'm not even from here but if I'm 1353 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,680 GNA get told hey I'm sorry you need to 1354 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,839 leave I'm from Texas I don't even know 1355 00:57:20,839 --> 00:57:23,440 where to go you know I I we're stuck out 1356 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,319 here because the situation just threw us 1357 00:57:25,319 --> 00:57:27,200 at hand you know 1358 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,200 um I've been homeless for a while that 1359 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,599 really all that is to it if it wasn't 1360 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:31,920 for Wendy helping me with a tint a 1361 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,520 blanket and you know some extra clothes 1362 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,160 period of clothes I didn't have money to 1363 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,920 wash uh my clothes yet I was sleeping in 1364 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,640 the 1365 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,119 laundromat I appreciate that I don't 1366 00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:41,760 even know what really is the real issue 1367 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,839 if you just need someone to clean up 1368 00:57:42,839 --> 00:57:44,799 some trash just talk to us some of us 1369 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:45,880 are just going to be like you know what 1370 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,400 yeah some of us will say no I understand 1371 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,359 that but some of us that do want to make 1372 00:57:50,359 --> 00:57:52,480 hey let's help each other out then okay 1373 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,760 help each other out hey can you go to 1374 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:55,920 this Camp I know it's not your Camp can 1375 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,000 you clean it up just let me know hey I 1376 00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,400 work Wednesday I can't do it Wednesday 1377 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,119 but I could do it Friday hey I work 1378 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:02,480 Friday I could do it Sunday if I'm not 1379 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,880 working Sunday or I'm not helping or I'm 1380 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,799 not doing anything else you know what I 1381 00:58:05,799 --> 00:58:07,359 mean that if we can come in 1382 00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:08,480 understanding like hey you know what 1383 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,160 there's a trash over here and if it 1384 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,520 continues to make a trash then you know 1385 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,640 what fine whoever is staying there penal 1386 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,640 gets the penalty of hey you know what 1387 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,039 you there's just trash everywhere you 1388 00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:20,640 know not everybody's doing this but you 1389 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,799 all are I mean come on if you guys got 1390 00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:24,599 you know maybe a week or two he's not 1391 00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:26,400 clean then go go ahead and do what you 1392 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,240 need to do but to the ones that are 1393 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,680 trying their best the ones that sleep 1394 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,319 outside when it's cold the ones that are 1395 00:58:31,319 --> 00:58:32,880 trying to get food the ones that are 1396 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,680 tired of camp food okay they're trying 1397 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:37,920 they didn't they didn't even tell us 1398 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,720 they told us about a day and actually 1399 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,119 the day before they told us I started 1400 00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,039 cleaning asked my li baby I started 1401 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,480 clean just because I didn't do anything 1402 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,720 I didn't have any work I said you know 1403 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,520 what I'm bored I don't do anything else 1404 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,920 I only smok marijuana I don't touch 1405 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,319 nothing else I don't like I don't got I 1406 00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:53,839 got way too much responsibility for that 1407 00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:55,480 but it's like they mentioned some do 1408 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,160 want the help some don't want the help I 1409 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,520 understand that that's a very delicate 1410 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,000 balance but all I'm here for is just to 1411 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,319 explain my situation and some that 1412 00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:06,200 relate to it that hey you know what this 1413 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,799 is you were just put in a bad situation 1414 00:59:07,799 --> 00:59:09,359 at a bad time and you're just trying to 1415 00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:10,520 do your best to get out of it like I 1416 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,839 said I work at a l hot pizza I I I only 1417 00:59:12,839 --> 00:59:14,760 work a couple days maybe anytime they 1418 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,039 call me hey we need an extra person I'll 1419 00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,440 go you know I I do my best I try to 1420 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,559 clean up around as much as I can it is a 1421 00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:24,280 pin ands I admit but it has someone has 1422 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,520 to do it and if y'all don't talk to us 1423 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,920 we don't know nothing you know you don't 1424 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,000 you know what we don't even know each 1425 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,359 other you can come up to me hey can you 1426 00:59:32,359 --> 00:59:33,520 don't mind cleaning this and this and 1427 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,200 that I'll do it but if they keep doing 1428 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,720 it then penalize them I know you're from 1429 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,839 Wendy because I adopted the spot where 1430 00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:41,200 the Caboose was and she told me you 1431 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,319 cleaned out from underneath it because I 1432 00:59:43,319 --> 00:59:44,559 thank you because usually it's it's 1433 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,799 usually myself and my wife and my kids 1434 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:48,200 that are under there clean I just worry 1435 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,839 about kids too trying to climb on the 1436 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:51,599 train thank 1437 00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,640 you you can I'm gonna let her go 1438 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,039 next just just state your name for the 1439 00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,319 record that's hi I'm Sophia years old 1440 01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:03,839 I'm Sophia sorry I'm 10 years old um 1441 01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:06,119 when I was four years old I had to go 1442 01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,799 into a homeless shelter because our 1443 01:00:09,799 --> 01:00:14,319 landlord uh she didn't like us because 1444 01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,520 of um my brother's dad my stepfather um 1445 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,319 we had to go into the family shelter and 1446 01:00:23,319 --> 01:00:25,640 when I was 5 years old we moved out into 1447 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,079 br so um and it was brought to my 1448 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,079 attention that um the police have been 1449 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,640 tearing apart uh tents for the um that 1450 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,799 homeless people sleep in and I didn't 1451 01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:46,680 like that because um I like to help the 1452 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,839 homeless and I have a quote no act of 1453 01:00:50,839 --> 01:00:53,039 kindness no matter how small it is is 1454 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:54,680 ever 1455 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,280 wasted thank you you thank 1456 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,000 you joh 62 Angels 1457 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,880 Avenue that gentleman right here I'm 1458 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,680 offering you a job right now you come 1459 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,119 and see 1460 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:13,720 me I'll give you a job you show that you 1461 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:14,760 want some 1462 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,640 help now the rest of your Advocates here 1463 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,359 can anybody tell 1464 01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:22,119 me John address address the council a 1465 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:24,520 you and then you can I'd like to know 1466 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,960 how many of the these 1467 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,119 Advocates have a track record of helping 1468 01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,960 somebody and like you said and I said it 1469 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,000 last week I'm so tired of we just always 1470 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,400 do kick it down the 1471 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,640 road we need to do something like my son 1472 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,799 said this has nothing to do with the 1473 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:45,920 homeless quote this has to do with the 1474 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,400 protection of the town and the people in 1475 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,240 the 1476 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,359 encampment we've all said including our 1477 01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:56,400 officials it is dangerous it's un 1478 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,400 safe it's your responsibility to make it 1479 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,400 safe the only way you can make it safe 1480 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,559 is they can't live there okay it's a sad 1481 01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:06,799 fact of 1482 01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:10,760 life but like this gentleman here and 1483 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,640 like my son told you we've hired so many 1484 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,760 people for different reasons you try to 1485 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,160 give them a chance some of them make it 1486 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,279 to the Finish Line some of them make it 1487 01:02:19,279 --> 01:02:20,400 to the first 1488 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,319 paycheck some of them die on 1489 01:02:23,319 --> 01:02:27,000 you but you can't put them all in one 1490 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,279 group all right and there is a very 1491 01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:32,279 large group okay and I'm no social 1492 01:02:32,279 --> 01:02:36,000 worker that just don't want the 1493 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,480 help they don't want it you've said it 1494 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,279 other people have said it but the 1495 01:02:40,279 --> 01:02:42,119 advocation that goes here they roll it 1496 01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:44,920 up in one ball I don't think that's very 1497 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,200 professionalism of them they have to 1498 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,240 have the knowledge if they're in the 1499 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,559 field that there are areas that you are 1500 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,680 never going to save and when the priest 1501 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,359 was here the other day I said that that 1502 01:02:56,359 --> 01:02:58,880 God can't save him at this point we can 1503 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,240 only save what is savable like I believe 1504 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,160 this gentleman is just by listening to 1505 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,680 him okay and I have no problem putting 1506 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,000 them on my payroll but if he fails me I 1507 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,680 have no problem getting rid of 1508 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,880 them but at least I was able to give him 1509 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,200 a chance I've had him come through well 1510 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,599 you never going to do anything with them 1511 01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:23,200 never and we have to face that fact it 1512 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,880 might be sad but you got to face it help 1513 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,640 who can get help the rest of them it's a 1514 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,559 it's collateral damage what do you want 1515 01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:34,039 to do with it unless you want to take 1516 01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:35,279 them home you want to take them home you 1517 01:03:35,279 --> 01:03:36,880 want to put them in your houses I think 1518 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,760 these Advocates the way they talk they 1519 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,520 should take them home because they're 1520 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:41,920 saving the world but how come we got 1521 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,630 this 1522 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:52,829 problem 1523 01:03:52,839 --> 01:03:56,240 D she can disrespect me all she wants 1524 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,799 but that's all I've got to say I really 1525 01:03:57,799 --> 01:04:00,799 would like to see this resolved but we 1526 01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,440 need to stick with what we started off 1527 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,760 to do the town you cannot be responsible 1528 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,279 for these lives or someday we're going 1529 01:04:09,279 --> 01:04:11,480 to have one hell of an inant I pray to 1530 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,760 God it never 1531 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,880 happens because it's well known of the 1532 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,920 dangers if something happens 1533 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,160 there reliable thank you if it continues 1534 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,799 in the crowd I want to have whoever is 1535 01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:28,430 doing it please leave 1536 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,559 my name is Anna KY I live on West Street 1537 01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:33,520 and we have all these activists back 1538 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,960 there like they they they claim to be 1539 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,559 social workers or whatever but they had 1540 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,839 they have failed I mean the chief said 1541 01:04:40,839 --> 01:04:43,680 he went back there found two people 1542 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,920 right away that need detox but the other 1543 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,039 issue is a lot you you should think 1544 01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:52,200 about the children we've heard from a 1545 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,760 child there are children in West Warwick 1546 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,039 also do you know the age restriction to 1547 01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:01,119 give out free needles do you know 1548 01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,079 anybody know I bet you know because you 1549 01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:05,559 don't miss a Thundermist meeting do you 1550 01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:09,240 do you do you know there's no age 1551 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,319 restriction how many feet do they have 1552 01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:15,839 to be from a school to give out needles 1553 01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:19,119 there's no restriction there's none and 1554 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:20,880 and these people are getting all their 1555 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,160 free needles and they're going to stay 1556 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,079 in that situation but that's the future 1557 01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:27,640 of the children too when I was younger 1558 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,520 in the 80s we didn't get needles so we 1559 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,960 didn't use needles the only people that 1560 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,119 use needles were Vietnam bets that 1561 01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,319 nobody would bother but they're making 1562 01:05:39,319 --> 01:05:41,720 it like oh look Joy let's put little 1563 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,520 Rainbow stickers on it and there's no 1564 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,640 age restriction you cannot let the town 1565 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,119 go like this because of the kids plus 1566 01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:51,880 there was somebody here one day saying 1567 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,200 that some rapist on thatth comes out 1568 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,760 near Ma quinnn and it seems like that 1569 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,079 the they should be outside with protest 1570 01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:04,640 signs not in here but you need to worry 1571 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,160 about the people it is sad homeless 1572 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,760 people is sad but they haven't triaged 1573 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,680 them separated veterans drug addicts 1574 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,920 they haven't done that and now it's all 1575 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,039 on us on the town we have to do 1576 01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:20,240 that you have to worry about the 1577 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,920 children that live in the town they 1578 01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,279 shouldn't be walking down the path with 1579 01:06:26,279 --> 01:06:28,880 somebody on math that rapes people in 1580 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,440 the woods like what is this the whole 1581 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,720 conversation is about The Advocates that 1582 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,359 came from Bristol and everywhere like 1583 01:06:36,359 --> 01:06:37,839 you need to worry about our kids you 1584 01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:39,760 need to find out what are the age 1585 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,400 restrictions can we make laws about that 1586 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,160 that in the town of West Warwick you 1587 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,000 don't give kids needles you it was on my 1588 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,079 street West Street as far as I know we 1589 01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:50,720 don't have a c encampment but there were 1590 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,400 needles on our 1591 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,319 street and that those things it's never 1592 01:06:55,319 --> 01:06:57,760 going to get better unless you end that 1593 01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,119 and they're not going to solve the 1594 01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:01,400 problem because they'll lose 1595 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,599 funding thank you excuse me I'm just 1596 01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:08,240 gonna say a few words off the cuff here 1597 01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,599 I have been cyclically homeless since 1598 01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:15,640 2019 and I have lived in every single 1599 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:20,400 town in this state okay for all those 1600 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,960 naysayers and live in Bristol and I 1601 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,599 might present like a very 1602 01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:31,160 nice person in my very nice hair in my 1603 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,960 Tiffany's Jewelry but there's a reason 1604 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,359 for that I am the face of 1605 01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:37,000 homelessness 1606 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,880 okay so I am an advocate and I help 1607 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,119 people on a daily basis whether it's 1608 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,400 navigating the HUD system looking for a 1609 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,920 place to sleep getting a woman who was 1610 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,400 just beaten into uh Lucy's Hearth 1611 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,240 because she doesn't have a place to stay 1612 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,240 with her children that's what Advocates 1613 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,920 do they don't come up on stage and offer 1614 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,520 people jobs because they want to be 1615 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,880 martyrs so I am here because 1616 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,440 homelessness is an issue and I'm very 1617 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,720 concerned that passing this legislation 1618 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,599 is going to follow suit for every other 1619 01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:15,359 community that wants to turn a blind eye 1620 01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:18,719 to what is going on in this state that's 1621 01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:20,679 why I'm here that's why I'm concerned it 1622 01:08:20,679 --> 01:08:22,799 affects every single one of us every 1623 01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:23,679 single 1624 01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:27,040 person my children and I have been 1625 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,120 devastated and like I 1626 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,000 explained I volunteer for the Coalition 1627 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,679 but the Coalition has just rescinded a 1628 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:40,960 job offer for a community-based 1629 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,640 program that I was looking for and when 1630 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,880 they res sended that job offer I went to 1631 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,960 um Warren Buffet house DHS uh the 1632 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,799 woman's Resource Center all and Lucy's 1633 01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:56,400 Hearth all with in that week because I 1634 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,040 had no gas in my car um no internet 1635 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,279 service no cell phone service every 1636 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,480 single Financial organization with my 1637 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:07,199 nice clothes and my nice jewelry turned 1638 01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:10,199 me away and my family every single one 1639 01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:11,679 of those organizations and if they're 1640 01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:14,600 turning me away and my family who are in 1641 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,870 need who is who who's not needing these 1642 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,880 programs so that's just all I have to 1643 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,600 say it needs to be we need to work work 1644 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,880 on a program as a community I think that 1645 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,759 gentleman who came up here was like it 1646 01:09:30,759 --> 01:09:32,679 was mind-blowing to me to listen to his 1647 01:09:32,679 --> 01:09:37,000 story he came here from Texas and he's 1648 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,440 doing his job like if you want to see 1649 01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:42,960 community at its Forefront that's where 1650 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,239 you should go those people are working 1651 01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:46,400 together they're cleaning together 1652 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,440 they're cooking together they're they're 1653 01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:50,799 working as a as a 1654 01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:54,040 unit it's not all they're shooting up 1655 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,560 and 1656 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,280 swinging needles around it's work work 1657 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,000 as a community to try to find a 1658 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,360 resolution that's what we should be 1659 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,000 doing here not just getting upset and 1660 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,120 really like try to found a foundation to 1661 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,159 try to work as a community I heard 1662 01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:10,960 something about there's a field in the 1663 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,800 back that was by the young woman uh 1664 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,719 there's a field in the back what about 1665 01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:20,080 like proposing somewhere that someone 1666 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,280 where people can go and have some type 1667 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,199 of community where they can come 1668 01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:26,040 together we can 1669 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,800 set up space for them so that they don't 1670 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,520 feel like they have to be pushed from 1671 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,840 one place to another where they're not 1672 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,440 in maybe peripheral vision but we can 1673 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,120 work on this it's not kicking the can 1674 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,040 down the road but it's not criminalizing 1675 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,360 the people who are here and living they 1676 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,719 still have to live and yes I do help the 1677 01:10:43,719 --> 01:10:46,320 homeless and I lived in Providence my 1678 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,440 entire life I'm not 1679 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:52,430 uncomfortable this is what I 1680 01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:56,120 do all right um I just want to 1681 01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:57,960 reiterate and I want to just have this 1682 01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,199 another three-hour meeting tonight over 1683 01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,560 this subject so please just I want to 1684 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,719 cut the comments down if you've been up 1685 01:11:05,719 --> 01:11:07,840 already this will be the last time this 1686 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,520 will be the last time I apologize I just 1687 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,320 wanted to correct some 1688 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,520 misinformation um particularly around 1689 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,800 needle exchange uh the reason with the 1690 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,800 needle exchange the comment about the 1691 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,000 80s and having a restriction on needle 1692 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,120 exchange services we don't want to do 1693 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,280 that again because in the ' 80s we had a 1694 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,440 problem with an HIV epidemic we're 1695 01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:29,760 trying to avoid that the reason why 1696 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,640 we're not in an HIV epidemic is because 1697 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,960 we have needle exchange programs and 1698 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,640 other communicable diseases so I just 1699 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,040 want to nip that in the bud before that 1700 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,000 snowballs into anything else ever again 1701 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,159 um and I just want to reorient this 1702 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:44,199 conversation because some people are 1703 01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:46,080 speaking about other human beings like 1704 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,000 their subhuman and throwaway and 1705 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,199 monsters as someone who did work here 1706 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:53,199 and did help a lot of people I could 1707 01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:54,639 show you my wrap sheet you'd probably be 1708 01:11:54,639 --> 01:11:57,840 impressed um people who are serving the 1709 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,440 community aren't doing nothing so I 1710 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:00,320 don't know where that piece of 1711 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,159 information came from they are working 1712 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,480 very hard for very little money and a 1713 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,760 lot of times volunteer a lot of folks 1714 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,520 here who are advocating are volunteer 1715 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,000 who don't get paid anything so I want to 1716 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,840 clarify that too because it's 1717 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,800 disrespectful to the people out here who 1718 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,639 are trying their best to solve for a 1719 01:12:15,639 --> 01:12:17,800 problem that would also benefit everyone 1720 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,440 in this 1721 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,639 community it's we can't talk about 1722 01:12:21,639 --> 01:12:23,320 people like their throwaway these are 1723 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,679 human beings there are some people in 1724 01:12:24,679 --> 01:12:26,480 this audience today who are experiencing 1725 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,159 homelessness and you are dogging them 1726 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:29,880 like they don't matter or they don't 1727 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,120 deserve a home because they use drugs 1728 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,719 also just because someone use drugs does 1729 01:12:33,719 --> 01:12:36,239 not mean they don't deserve a home I 1730 01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:37,360 don't know where you would get that 1731 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,400 logic from they're not like I said 1732 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:52,070 subhuman treat people with 1733 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,120 respect Dennis canel lris Avenue West w 1734 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,440 um I'm I'm coming up here because I've 1735 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,880 been homeless I was homeless in my teen 1736 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,520 years for two years uh let me tell you 1737 01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,840 it wasn't because of Advocates helping 1738 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,800 me out because I had plenty of people 1739 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,080 that wanted to help me when I was 1740 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,040 younger and I didn't want to hear it 1741 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,040 from any of them I wanted to do my own 1742 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,760 thing and if it wasn't for me helping 1743 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,920 myself I would have never gotten out of 1744 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,590 that 1745 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,360 situation I'm also a disabled vet 1746 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,880 I'm not 100% disabled so let me tell you 1747 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,080 I'm living on a a minimal 1748 01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,719 income everyone keeps on talking about 1749 01:13:33,719 --> 01:13:35,159 it's a homeless issue it's a homeless 1750 01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:37,920 issue no it's a housing issue we have we 1751 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,400 have problems with all of these multif 1752 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,840 family houses being sold out to all 1753 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,000 these large congruent of population that 1754 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,719 has the money to uh get housing voes for 1755 01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:51,560 all these migrants coming into this town 1756 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,400 how many of our students are now Spanish 1757 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,679 speaking where's that money coming from 1758 01:13:58,679 --> 01:14:01,280 we have to take this out of our tax time 1759 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,000 my taxes just went up guess what so did 1760 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,360 my mortgage me as a disabled vet living 1761 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,239 off of my payment guess what I'm having 1762 01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:11,600 to cut more and more things out of my 1763 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,960 life and I'm not I'm just barely eating 1764 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,679 I'm not even leaving my house because I 1765 01:14:16,679 --> 01:14:20,400 can't pay for the gas it it's ridiculous 1766 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,120 I mean I understand people people go 1767 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,480 through hard times and but drugs are not 1768 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,560 the answer and if you're staying on the 1769 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,120 streets because you're doing drugs 1770 01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,080 you're never going to want to help 1771 01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,760 yourself because you are constantly in 1772 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,760 that state of euphoria you are 1773 01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,199 constantly trying to get away from the 1774 01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:41,239 life that you're in that you don't want 1775 01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:44,960 to take part in that's what you're 1776 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,719 doing 1777 01:14:47,719 --> 01:14:50,080 and trust me I I've had friends that 1778 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,880 have died from drugs I've had friends 1779 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,239 that have come back from drugs and it's 1780 01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:58,040 never an easy thing now that it's 1781 01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,520 becoming more and more prominent of the 1782 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,600 mental issues that we're having in 1783 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,400 today's society people don't know 1784 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,520 whether they're a girl or a boy people 1785 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,320 boys dressing as girls girls I mean 1786 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,000 girls have dressed as boys for decade 1787 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,800 but I mean it's we're so off of the 1788 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,120 factual tracks that we're just coming up 1789 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,480 with excuses at this 1790 01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:26,120 point and I don't see anything happening 1791 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,360 I I loved it I keep on you 1792 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,760 man I text you all the 1793 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,080 time okay uh uh about all the yes 1794 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,679 alcohol bottles and stuff along that 1795 01:15:36,679 --> 01:15:38,719 line let me tell you if they're out 1796 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:41,000 there to commit crimes they're out there 1797 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,520 to commit crimes where the police are 1798 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,840 out there to protect the people from the 1799 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:55,830 crimes and 1800 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,560 we do need to do 1801 01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,920 something uh I'll agree just pushing 1802 01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:01,000 them from place to place isn't going to 1803 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:01,880 help 1804 01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,040 anything um but what we need to do is we 1805 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:07,639 need to get with the higher ups over in 1806 01:16:07,639 --> 01:16:10,480 the uh state house and tell them they 1807 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:11,960 need to stop uh sending all their 1808 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,960 migrants to us so that we can actually 1809 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,960 have some housing for us because when 1810 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,159 you stop putting 30,000 people in a 1811 01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:23,199 society of 60,000 people guess what 1812 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:24,560 you're going to displace a third of 1813 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,030 those 1814 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,360 is it our 1815 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,080 job to take care of the world or is it 1816 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,880 our job to take care of our communities 1817 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,239 and 1818 01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,880 ourselves oh I will say this on the 1819 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,239 council's behalf it's our job to protect 1820 01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:42,040 this 1821 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,920 community considering we pay taxes that 1822 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,400 is correct a 1823 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,679 and what what another thing that the 1824 01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:52,199 migrant influx is also doing is taking 1825 01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:54,000 away our lower jobs hold on sir I just 1826 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,000 want to stop you there as far as going 1827 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,760 about the migrant community and so on 1828 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,560 and so forth that's that's maybe a 1829 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,880 national issue and I know it was brought 1830 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,639 up here last time that in West War I'm 1831 01:17:05,639 --> 01:17:07,719 not sure how many migrants are in here 1832 01:17:07,719 --> 01:17:09,840 causing homeless in West War I I'm not 1833 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,520 sure so and and I can't answer that 1834 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,960 question but I have I I know for a fact 1835 01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,400 homeless has been up over 30% over last 1836 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,639 year it's up over 30% versus last year 1837 01:17:21,639 --> 01:17:24,080 where it is this year yeah and within 1838 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,880 the last two years 1839 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,800 four houses four multif family houses 1840 01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,320 all of a sudden turn Spanish speaking 1841 01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,280 straight up in my just in my general 1842 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,520 vicinity huh whether they're Spanish 1843 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,440 speaking English speaking non-english 1844 01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:40,520 speaking I just had ice on one of them 1845 01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,840 because they children one of their child 1846 01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,040 was peeping into Windows of houses okay 1847 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:46,960 but that has nothing to do with the 1848 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,480 homeless situation right now they're 1849 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:49,560 taking the 1850 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,440 housing oh I I I I think what the 1851 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:54,280 biggest problem with the housing is the 1852 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:55,719 cost of housing housing when you're 1853 01:17:55,719 --> 01:17:58,159 selling a two family house for almost 1854 01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,600 $500,000 the landlord has to make that 1855 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,280 rent granted okay gr that's where it is 1856 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,679 people cannot afford to live I don't 1857 01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:07,239 care if it's English non-english 1858 01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:09,880 whatever it is you can't afford $2,800 a 1859 01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,440 month to rent their apartment so again 1860 01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:14,159 let's keep this on to the homeless and 1861 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,719 not Spanish speaking or whoever well I'm 1862 01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,239 just bringing it to the point that we 1863 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:20,280 have multif family houses with legal 1864 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:21,840 immigrants in our neighborhoods right 1865 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:26,280 now displacing west warens 1866 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,760 people who have grown up here as The 1867 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,280 Advocates keep on saying but but we 1868 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,040 don't matter as long as the immigrants 1869 01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,600 can come in and take our houses and take 1870 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,320 our jobs and just push us out guess what 1871 01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:43,600 uh this W Ward jayin is going to be a 1872 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,639 Democrat come up next uh election come 1873 01:18:45,639 --> 01:18:47,520 up this election I'll guarantee it 1874 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,719 because you're gonna have all kinds of 1875 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:51,000 Spanish people who already who are 1876 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,760 already the election is going on and I 1877 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,080 think the councilman is running Unos so 1878 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,560 I don't not sure what you're talking I'm 1879 01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,960 talking about they're going to be voting 1880 01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:01,880 they have already started mail and 1881 01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,639 ballots are people are being registered 1882 01:19:04,639 --> 01:19:08,750 to vote thank 1883 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:12,280 you hi Kathy Schultz I do not live in 1884 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,199 West W but my family has their name on 1885 01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:16,760 the churches here and my family 1886 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,760 immigrated here and I lived here but 1887 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,320 many many I'm an honorary aren't I thank 1888 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,800 you um I really just want to come up 1889 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,040 here and again like broken record say 1890 01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,760 that there are some solutions that we 1891 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,960 all have been working on um I want to 1892 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,639 thank the town manager um and even when 1893 01:19:34,639 --> 01:19:37,679 you were the former police um Chief um I 1894 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:39,760 want to thank the Town Council um for 1895 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,040 continuing to have these conversations 1896 01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,719 I've mentioned it a couple of times um I 1897 01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:47,000 do think that this is a entire King 1898 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,400 County issue the 44 people that um Chief 1899 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,400 Aron had mentioned I bet you there's 1900 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,400 some more over on the carpentry line and 1901 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,360 also on the W line along the bike path 1902 01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,880 um I had said last time when I was here 1903 01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:03,000 the solution is a 247 navigation Center 1904 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,560 um I know that you all have been talking 1905 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,000 about this I'm not saying that this is 1906 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,239 all the towns but what I'm saying as the 1907 01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:11,120 solution is continue to talk to your ab 1908 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,719 buding cities and towns continue to try 1909 01:20:13,719 --> 01:20:16,400 to come up with a K County solution you 1910 01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,400 know some kind of regional solution 1911 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,760 because the reality is is we heard this 1912 01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,040 and Vinnie is completely on point the 1913 01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,360 fact is is that the ordinance that you 1914 01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,440 want to do is has a lot of holes in it 1915 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:33,480 um and it's going to create a inhumane 1916 01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:36,000 way of dealing with the situation I'm 1917 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,560 not going to even talk about drug use or 1918 01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,679 drug not use I've said it before I am a 1919 01:20:40,679 --> 01:20:42,360 person in live with lived experience I'm 1920 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,719 a person who was a single mother who was 1921 01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:48,040 evicted probably eight to nine 10 times 1922 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,560 and lived in West walwick because I 1923 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,560 couldn't afford my rent even when I 1924 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,000 wasn't using drugs okay I don't this is 1925 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,920 not I know that we talk about the 1926 01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,280 needles and we talk about the harm 1927 01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,760 reduction and we talk about all the 1928 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,400 stuff when it comes to substance use we 1929 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,280 talk about people who want treatment and 1930 01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,760 then you know at that day at that moment 1931 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,000 they want treatment but the reality is 1932 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,560 we heard from somebody who actually did 1933 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,719 Outreach here that you can get somebody 1934 01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:16,400 into treatment matter of fact I'm going 1935 01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:17,800 to quote somebody who is experiencing 1936 01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,560 homelessness at are one of our 1937 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,000 remembrances and the state was here at 1938 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,960 that time I was working here in West w 1939 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,639 and he got on the mic and what he said 1940 01:21:26,639 --> 01:21:30,960 was we need help we're 1941 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,120 dying he's one of the people that you 1942 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,320 all ran into when you were out there he 1943 01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,840 was in a shelter he even maybe had a 1944 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,920 voucher but he couldn't find a unit and 1945 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,560 he's back outside again better yet he 1946 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,880 might be in jail because of whatever his 1947 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,600 name Got Run he might be in jail guess 1948 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,040 what he loses a voucher I've said this 1949 01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,719 what he said is we need help and even if 1950 01:21:51,719 --> 01:21:54,679 I go to treatment or and I go to detox I 1951 01:21:54,679 --> 01:21:57,639 end up back out here again what's the 1952 01:21:57,639 --> 01:22:00,239 point of going so I just want to remind 1953 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,560 you all of that there is a solution and 1954 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,679 that is a regional solution that is 1955 01:22:04,679 --> 01:22:06,199 having conversations with your other 1956 01:22:06,199 --> 01:22:08,840 cities and towns talking to Vinnie 1957 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,159 listening to some of the advice that 1958 01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,080 he's giving you and really thinking 1959 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,480 about how can we get some type of 1960 01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,040 something here in the Kent County area 1961 01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,199 because the reality is there is nothing 1962 01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:22,600 there is not a shelter you have thunder 1963 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,320 mest you have thrive 1964 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,280 and you have Outreach that comes here 1965 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,120 it's there's not enough resources in 1966 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,320 this community and I do think and I want 1967 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,040 to also say what Gail keeps saying we 1968 01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,199 need to work together I know you all 1969 01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:38,080 have been but let's work with the people 1970 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,400 that are actually out there that's all I 1971 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,920 have thank you thank you I just want to 1972 01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,159 reiterate you know Vin keeps asking if 1973 01:22:45,159 --> 01:22:46,960 it's the first reading and yes it is on 1974 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,520 the agenda of his first reading and I 1975 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,560 just want to point out this Council has 1976 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,400 seen drafts of this but we can't sit 1977 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,480 there behind the scenes and Talk Amongst 1978 01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:00,920 the five of us to discuss this it's 1979 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,679 illegal it's called a rolling quarum if 1980 01:23:02,679 --> 01:23:04,639 anybody's involved in politics you would 1981 01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:06,080 know 1982 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,000 that we have to discuss this in public 1983 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,280 in any changes that we want to make we 1984 01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,840 would have to make it in public I cannot 1985 01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,880 sit here and say hey Jay I think this 1986 01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,159 should be changed Mary Beth I think that 1987 01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:20,920 and we can all agree behind the scen 1988 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,760 could do that but wait a minute hold on 1989 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,719 sorry it's it's the point of your 1990 01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:28,920 election laws and your laws as a 1991 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,880 politician you have to follow those 1992 01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,560 laws so that's why we are here talking 1993 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,000 about it tonight as a collaborative 1994 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,040 group we had three and a half hours last 1995 01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,120 time to talk about it we directed Our 1996 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,360 Town manager and our town solicitor to 1997 01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,199 put something together now first reading 1998 01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:47,520 we can make changes if any and I'm sure 1999 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,040 everybody up here has been listening and 2000 01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,199 wants to discuss this okay we can make 2001 01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:55,440 those changes in those those suggestions 2002 01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:57,360 go back to the drawing board but it's up 2003 01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,400 to this Council publicly to talk about 2004 01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,239 it that is why it's here before us 2005 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,760 tonight thank you is 2006 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,760 it procedural 2007 01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,639 proced so you you obviously can either 2008 01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:16,440 propose some amendments tonight yep or 2009 01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:21,880 approve it as is or direct someone or 2010 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,440 some people to work work on this and 2011 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:29,600 then come back and if you do come back 2012 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,880 how is the would an amended ordinance is 2013 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,960 the clock reset no if we take no action 2014 01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,960 tonight right then it doesn't act as a 2015 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,679 first reading if we take some action 2016 01:24:40,679 --> 01:24:42,880 tonight amend and approve that is the 2017 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,360 actual first reading it would come 2018 01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,400 before the council for a second reading 2019 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,280 after the second reading that would be 2020 01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,960 approved and 20 days after would go into 2021 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,360 yeah just trying to understand that's 2022 01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,159 the procedure right okay thank you thank 2023 01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:57,040 you okay any comments from the council 2024 01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,199 um so after listening to everybody 2025 01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:03,840 tonight um there's this is a lot to 2026 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,840 digest and obviously the five of us make 2027 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,239 that make that decision to move 2028 01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:11,400 forward I agree something needs to be 2029 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,679 done I think we've all talked about that 2030 01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:16,480 um the one thing though you know and and 2031 01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:17,679 looking at this and listening to 2032 01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:19,239 everybody and taking 2033 01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:23,679 notes I'm for taking this back looking 2034 01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,000 at this again 2035 01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,199 on my own and making any suggestions to 2036 01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:30,719 the solicitor and to the manager without 2037 01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:34,639 involving any of you and I 2038 01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:38,360 can I would suggest that we all do that 2039 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,080 and at that point that comes back to us 2040 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,280 just like it did and we can sit here and 2041 01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,760 have a true first 2042 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,199 reading I I don't disagree with you Jay 2043 01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:50,920 I mean I I am not prepared to to vote on 2044 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,480 this as it's presented haven't had the 2045 01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:55,600 time to to really wanted to hear what 2046 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,159 people had to say and this is we get 2047 01:25:58,159 --> 01:25:59,600 it's a delicate issue I just C you off 2048 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,679 I'm sorry it's okay go ahead finish 2049 01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:03,760 sorry um it is a it is a delicate issue 2050 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,639 we all realize that 2051 01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:08,719 um and I'm not going to elaborate 2052 01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:10,040 anymore because I think we've talked 2053 01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,400 about it enough obviously there there 2054 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:16,760 are different sides to this um the only 2055 01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,360 my main concern though is is listening 2056 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,199 to some people is is safety and that's 2057 01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:23,639 whether you're a child or an adult 2058 01:26:23,639 --> 01:26:26,159 you're out in an encampment or you're 2059 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:29,199 walking on the street and the concerning 2060 01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:31,800 thing is some of the reports we get from 2061 01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,000 from Chief line which we get every week 2062 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,440 on it's it's a report on each of our 2063 01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:38,719 Wards so we can condense it and that 2064 01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:41,719 doesn't just it's not about um it's 2065 01:26:41,719 --> 01:26:44,800 about everything larsy breaking in a car 2066 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,040 crash um some of the reports that we get 2067 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,119 from some of the encampment areas are 2068 01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:52,400 very disturbing and they're unsafe and 2069 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,920 some involve needles um which is a big 2070 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:59,480 topic um some also involve assaults 2071 01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:03,360 so um and the way some of the things so 2072 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:04,159 it is 2073 01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:07,000 concerning but as Council people our 2074 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,880 role is to respond to our citizens and 2075 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,159 that doesn't mean that doesn't matter 2076 01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:14,040 where you live so and we all get calls 2077 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:15,080 for different 2078 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:19,080 reasons and at that point you know you 2079 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:20,840 have to address those it's a concern to 2080 01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,239 it's a somebody calls me for example I 2081 01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:25,400 think I can speak for the whole Council 2082 01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,320 because they have a concern it becomes 2083 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,560 our concern that's our job that's why 2084 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,480 we're elected and our job is also to 2085 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:36,119 listen so sometimes I say things to 2086 01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:38,960 people and it's very very point I'm not 2087 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,000 going to give you the answer that you 2088 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,760 want to he but this is the result that 2089 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:48,040 came up and this is the reason why so um 2090 01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,080 tonight I I along with everyone didn't 2091 01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,159 say a whole heck of a lot we wanted to 2092 01:27:53,159 --> 01:27:57,840 listen um to everyone and um I'm going 2093 01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,320 to take this back and dissect it and put 2094 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,000 any of my thoughts to the manager and to 2095 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,440 the the 2096 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:08,760 solicitor so we as a council last time 2097 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,679 charged the solicitor and the town 2098 01:28:10,679 --> 01:28:14,199 manager with a a task probably wasn't 2099 01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:17,080 truthfully could be done correctly in 2100 01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,960 two weeks and we charged them with that 2101 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,199 it was a a valiant effort it starts the 2102 01:28:22,199 --> 01:28:24,760 ball rolling it certainly has has 2103 01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,800 created some conversation I don't feel 2104 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,760 we're kicking uh any can down the road I 2105 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,080 think that the task force should 2106 01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,760 continue I think that's important that 2107 01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,960 we're out engaging uh at the 2108 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,840 encampments I for one am in no way shape 2109 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,199 or form in favor of criminalizing 2110 01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:44,239 homelessness I just I that's not 2111 01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,000 something I'll ever vote for I just 2112 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:50,119 can't so I do believe and someone talked 2113 01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:53,280 about weeding out if you will and we 2114 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:54,679 talked last time about but it's about 2115 01:28:54,679 --> 01:28:57,280 the behavior it's about and if you're 2116 01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,040 doing something illegal you should be 2117 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,520 arrested I don't think anybody disagrees 2118 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,440 with that but that doesn't mean that 2119 01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:06,520 everyone that is in the unfortunate 2120 01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,920 situation of living in an encampment is 2121 01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,679 a criminal and I just I U so I think we 2122 01:29:12,679 --> 01:29:14,840 have to think about all that Tim I think 2123 01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,600 you did Yen's work to get it to us when 2124 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,560 you did it's a starting point uh I think 2125 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,480 we do have to listen to and we'd be 2126 01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:25,560 foolish not to take the help of the ACLU 2127 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,360 excuse me the ACLU and the groups that 2128 01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,360 have offered help to us we might as well 2129 01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:30,840 all work together to figure something 2130 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,320 out so but please understand though if 2131 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:35,880 people are doing something that is going 2132 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,080 to harm someone else absolutely or or 2133 01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:43,000 not abide by the the laws then the 2134 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,080 police are instructed to go out and 2135 01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,600 instructed to do their job and they will 2136 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,840 and if somebody the problem is and 2137 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,280 anytime somebody is told no there's a 2138 01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,159 problem but you can't you can't be be 2139 01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:56,679 drunk on the sidewalk you know you can't 2140 01:29:56,679 --> 01:29:58,960 go to the bathroom on this bench you 2141 01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,719 can't do it and when they go to enforce 2142 01:30:01,719 --> 01:30:03,600 that all of a sudden there's a problem 2143 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,560 and they're being picked on no you can't 2144 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,239 do it it's that simple and I I'm sorry 2145 01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,239 but I can't defend that whether you live 2146 01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:12,960 in an En you live down the street it 2147 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,639 doesn't matter you can't do it it's that 2148 01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:16,080 simple that's correct and when those 2149 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,840 things are happening you can't ignore 2150 01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,639 those I agree and to me that's not a 2151 01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:24,119 homelessness issue at all that's a be 2152 01:30:24,119 --> 01:30:26,000 said it last week many or last meeting 2153 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,760 many times it's a behavior thing you 2154 01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,480 just can't do 2155 01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:33,600 it we we've just I've reiterated this 2156 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,119 fact over and over it's about being a 2157 01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:36,960 good neighbor you can be a good neighbor 2158 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,520 and be homeless you can be a good 2159 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,440 neighbor and I think a lot of the issues 2160 01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:41,880 specifically for this town I know it's 2161 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,080 become uh that we're the coun council's 2162 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,639 anti-homeless 2163 01:30:45,639 --> 01:30:48,560 but if you nobody wants to be living in 2164 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,639 the woods I don't think most most people 2165 01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:53,480 do not want to be but if if it's the 2166 01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:55,920 ones that are causing issues and 2167 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,199 especially I have to say we're kind of 2168 01:30:58,199 --> 01:30:59,600 lumping all this together and I know you 2169 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,000 said we have to but I think it's there's 2170 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,320 specific hot spots and areas in this 2171 01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,920 town which are not only safe unsafe for 2172 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,840 the unhoused but they're unsafe for our 2173 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:12,760 police and fire that have to make calls 2174 01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,159 down there and it will be unsafe and I 2175 01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:18,080 will not support R DPW going down there 2176 01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,280 to clean that up so I'm going to make 2177 01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:20,480 that clear right now I won't support 2178 01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:22,040 them to go down there if they really 2179 01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,280 want to push for it and Jeff wants to 2180 01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,320 come up here and push for for that but I 2181 01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:25,840 think it's it's going to cost us more 2182 01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,760 money at some point it'll have to be 2183 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,719 cleaned up at some point it's going to 2184 01:31:29,719 --> 01:31:32,400 be need to be cleaned up and I just and 2185 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,520 you've said that many times my my 2186 01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,840 suggestion and it's not a direction and 2187 01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,000 I don't know if this is okay but you get 2188 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,040 with your Advocate Wendy you're right 2189 01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,800 here organize this with Wendy people at 2190 01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:45,920 the the different sites clean up their 2191 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,040 mess because it is their mess and if 2192 01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,840 there something that we could provide 2193 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,560 bags or gloves or vests that would be 2194 01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,600 our contribution is 2195 01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:02,480 that okay sure it is okay so that's our 2196 01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:05,040 part we have done it and we we've done 2197 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,480 but I'm saying it again because because 2198 01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:08,600 you're you you're really motivated to do 2199 01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,920 it but this has been done many 2200 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,360 times so and this is again this is 2201 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:17,080 beyond Litter with a poker this is this 2202 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,320 is shovels and barrels and dumpsters so 2203 01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,520 just to make you aware so everybody gets 2204 01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,760 the big picture it's not you're going 2205 01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,080 out there and picking up cigarette butts 2206 01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,520 and you're picking up you know paper 2207 01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,639 wrappers this is this is a lot and I 2208 01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:33,040 think we would be but I'm sure Wendy 2209 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,000 would be happy to organize that as as a 2210 01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:36,520 town 2211 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,800 Advocate I think we would be naive as a 2212 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,679 council to think that and I and and I 2213 01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:43,320 know Dave talked about kicking the can 2214 01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,280 down the road but wa wait before you say 2215 01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,560 that that's came from two of you that 2216 01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,880 said that all we do is go round and 2217 01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,320 around and around I only I didn't say 2218 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,520 kicking the can came from you about 2219 01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,560 going back and forth a few meetings ago 2220 01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,320 and say here we go we're just kicking 2221 01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:02,440 the can down the road we're going to 2222 01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:03,840 talk about it and leave and we need to 2223 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,960 and I'm G to say it again we're going to 2224 01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:06,920 be naive to think that we're going to 2225 01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,119 solve homelessness in the next eight 2226 01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:10,280 weeks in West War I just think that's I 2227 01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,080 think think that the advocate The 2228 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,520 Advocates that we have in this community 2229 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:14,840 that have been working 2230 01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,520 hard we it's not an easy job to and 2231 01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,360 they're out there they're they're very 2232 01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,800 uh thankless the job they do out there 2233 01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:25,080 and it's probably like banging their 2234 01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:26,800 head against the wall sometimes trying 2235 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,520 to get things done out there so it is 2236 01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,000 very difficult what they're doing out 2237 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,040 there and and I'm not saying that that 2238 01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,320 you guys don't know that I'm sure that 2239 01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,440 you do you've been long enough I made it 2240 01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:37,560 very clear last meeting there are people 2241 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,800 who are working 40 hours a week at EB or 2242 01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,159 plus who cannot afford housing oh you're 2243 01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,760 right so it's we know it's a housing 2244 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,760 cost issue there's nothing any of us can 2245 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,960 up up here do to figure out how to lower 2246 01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,480 rents in west or any town in the state 2247 01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:58,040 because the the the cost of housing the 2248 01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,560 cost to build housing today you can't a 2249 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,239 $10,000 Foundation 15 years ago was now 2250 01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:07,320 20,000 $25,000 for the same foundation 2251 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,679 so the cost of housing itself is very 2252 01:34:10,679 --> 01:34:13,800 expensive so to create you know we have 2253 01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,320 given tax breaks to builders you know we 2254 01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,000 brought up lipet Mill he's looking it 2255 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,560 hopefully next summer to have 21 units 2256 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,719 affordable housing open and ready and 2257 01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:25,119 available we have as a council have 2258 01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:28,159 tried to do numerous things housing wise 2259 01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:31,040 whatever it may be we have Factory 2260 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,679 Street Mill here it is sold out it's 2261 01:34:33,679 --> 01:34:35,960 sold out in record time like I couldn't 2262 01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,040 believe in less than six months they 2263 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,840 were fully rented here in West FL and at 2264 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,159 a decent rate you know $16 to $1,800 a 2265 01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:46,360 month was the going rent there all 2266 01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,639 rented no problems and if you're working 2267 01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:52,320 there or ever going there it's all young 2268 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,320 individuals mostly Young individuals 2269 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,320 that are trying to make ends meet and 2270 01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:57,960 trying to start their 2271 01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,520 lives again we have talked about this 2272 01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,679 over and over and over for past three 2273 01:35:02,679 --> 01:35:05,560 years here on this Council and then when 2274 01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:06,920 I said about kicking the can down the 2275 01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,480 road it's because we talk about it talk 2276 01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:10,679 about it we leave and don't ever discuss 2277 01:35:10,679 --> 01:35:13,600 it again that's why even last time when 2278 01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,760 we talked about December 2nd it put a 2279 01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,199 little fire under everybody to say okay 2280 01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:21,400 let's get moving and not forget about it 2281 01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,239 and not walk out because you know what 2282 01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:25,600 you might see five to 10 homeless people 2283 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,000 helped and resolved and hopefully on a 2284 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,440 pathway of getting them out of that 2285 01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:33,119 situation you know hey if somebody comes 2286 01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:34,600 up here and offer somebody a job and 2287 01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,880 that person gets that job in in six 2288 01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,000 months or now we hear everything's great 2289 01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,719 and guess what he's moving back to Texas 2290 01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:42,840 with his bride and and everything's 2291 01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,520 great for him that is wonderful we 2292 01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,040 succeeded if we just ignore it and let 2293 01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,280 it go and just let it keep populating 2294 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:51,880 and populating guess what's going to 2295 01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,000 happen every community at is dealing 2296 01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,639 with it they're going to come out of 2297 01:35:55,639 --> 01:35:56,800 those communities and come to our 2298 01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,040 community so we do have to deal with our 2299 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,119 situations here in West Wall we cannot 2300 01:36:01,119 --> 01:36:04,040 keep turning a blind eye at any given 2301 01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,159 time and again going back to the police 2302 01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:07,920 department I have seen our police 2303 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,600 department at work I've seen them 2304 01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,600 working up at the Gazebo I see them get 2305 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,320 out of their cars talk to the 2306 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,920 individuals I see them get out work with 2307 01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:19,719 them harassing I don't see that happen 2308 01:36:19,719 --> 01:36:21,080 they might go up and and listen if 2309 01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:22,679 somebody's stealing somebody sneakers 2310 01:36:22,679 --> 01:36:23,800 and they're looking for somebody 2311 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,639 sneakers and damn well going to be 2312 01:36:25,639 --> 01:36:27,000 looking for somebody sneakers some poor 2313 01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,600 kid who's working himself trying to get 2314 01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,560 his nice $200 sneakers get stolen I'd 2315 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,920 want somebody to do their job too as 2316 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,600 councilman lard said if you're not cre 2317 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,320 committing the crime and you don't have 2318 01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:40,880 to worry about it but you're committing 2319 01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,600 crimes and you're doing things if I 2320 01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,960 stole somebody sneakers I'm not homeless 2321 01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,320 but if I did it I expect to be 2322 01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,360 investigated or if I have those sneakers 2323 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,440 on I'm going to be asked why do I have 2324 01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:54,480 those sneakers on it that's that's the 2325 01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:56,840 common law we can't keep turning blind 2326 01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,119 eyes to people who are breaking the law 2327 01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:00,760 it's just not 2328 01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,199 fair I completely agree and and I just 2329 01:37:04,199 --> 01:37:08,320 uh I think what Kathy said is true that 2330 01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,560 yes we have to worry about westw we have 2331 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,000 to keep westw residents safe we need to 2332 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,880 push the state a little bit to help us 2333 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,239 out because we can't do this on our own 2334 01:37:19,239 --> 01:37:22,320 and we can't you know we can talk about 2335 01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,040 this every at every meeting but without 2336 01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,360 some help from them um so I think we do 2337 01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,600 need to have conversations at the State 2338 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:33,119 House level I I agree completely and 2339 01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:35,199 hopefully we're a small state we should 2340 01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:37,199 be able to figure out homelessness as a 2341 01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:40,719 state um and and Kathy it might be a 2342 01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:44,040 regional uh as you know a lot of times 2343 01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:47,440 it's not in my backyard is the answer so 2344 01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:50,480 um we need to we need to work as a a a 2345 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:53,239 group uh to get it done and I'd be more 2346 01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:55,199 than happy to ask for a resolution that 2347 01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:56,800 we can approve as a council to send to 2348 01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,880 the state house to our representatives 2349 01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,280 and and and I'd be more than happy to 2350 01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:01,800 reach out to a couple of those 2351 01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,760 representatives and say I need your 2352 01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,560 support on this I will do the same 2353 01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,679 absolutely and I I think that there's a 2354 01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:09,960 there's a way that we can be cognizant 2355 01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,080 of the safety of the citizens that are 2356 01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,360 the voters and also be empathetic to 2357 01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:15,840 those that aren't voters because I feel 2358 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,719 like sometimes people they go well 2359 01:38:17,719 --> 01:38:19,719 they're not voters who cares I I 2360 01:38:19,719 --> 01:38:22,000 represent people I I I I'm not saying 2361 01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,920 anybody in this Council but I definitely 2362 01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:25,599 from some of the comments I've heard 2363 01:38:25,599 --> 01:38:26,800 they're all they're all people and 2364 01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,320 whether they they're able to cast a vote 2365 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:29,719 for you or not I don't think it should 2366 01:38:29,719 --> 01:38:32,360 make a difference no I don't think next 2367 01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,239 I don't think voters you've been patient 2368 01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,239 has much to do with it you know 2369 01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:39,480 obviously part of this equation and I 2370 01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:40,760 wasn't going to start with this but part 2371 01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,599 of this equation is the taxpayer right 2372 01:38:42,599 --> 01:38:44,560 it's the taxpayer what are we giving 2373 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,320 them for Value in return for the money 2374 01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,440 that we request and require of them 2375 01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:50,679 every year but I want to get back to 2376 01:38:50,679 --> 01:38:52,040 what my original statement was going to 2377 01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,960 be and for those of you who've come up 2378 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,119 here tonight to speak um I want you to 2379 01:38:58,119 --> 01:39:01,159 understand something from me I 2380 01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:04,360 appreciate it I understand both sides of 2381 01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:05,040 the 2382 01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,400 argument um I don't want you to think 2383 01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,159 that you're not heard I didn't hear one 2384 01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,800 invalid thing here tonight because there 2385 01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,880 is no right or wrong here right we can 2386 01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,719 want to help those unfortunate people 2387 01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:24,080 who don't have a place to live while yet 2388 01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,360 protecting the taxpayers and the 2389 01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,239 citizens and the families and children 2390 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:30,800 of this community that's where the 2391 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,400 difficulty lies because it seems like 2392 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,480 when you're helping one you're harming 2393 01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:37,040 the other and I think we do need to come 2394 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,679 up with a solution that helps all in 2395 01:39:40,679 --> 01:39:44,119 this in this terrible situation so I'm 2396 01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:45,520 not going to speak for anybody else but 2397 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,960 what I will say is um if any if my 2398 01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:50,520 counterparts are up here are anything 2399 01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,639 like me this is not an issue that we 2400 01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:54,480 think about every other Tuesday for a 2401 01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:57,239 couple of hours I find this issue more 2402 01:39:57,239 --> 01:40:02,239 and more every day invading my thoughts 2403 01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:05,040 and I'm sure it's the same for everybody 2404 01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,119 that's up here you're at work you're 2405 01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:08,960 trying to concentrate on your job but 2406 01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,199 you're thinking what about this what if 2407 01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:13,280 we suggest that what if we take this 2408 01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:17,639 person's suggestion and work on that so 2409 01:40:17,639 --> 01:40:20,280 it is a problem that we we will continue 2410 01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:21,320 to work 2411 01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:24,639 on um I will reiterate at what the 2412 01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:26,920 council president said in setting the 2413 01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,239 date of December 2414 01:40:29,239 --> 01:40:32,040 2nd look what we have here tonight look 2415 01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:35,960 what we had last meeting we have 2416 01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:39,520 conversation we have people working 2417 01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,440 towards a common goal and I'd like to 2418 01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:45,239 thank everybody for keeping it civil 2419 01:40:45,239 --> 01:40:46,880 because that's the only way we're going 2420 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,679 to get out of this because we can start 2421 01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:53,840 slinging insults and 2422 01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,280 that's not going to help anybody so 2423 01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,280 really that's all I wanted to say we're 2424 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,440 obviously not done here this isn't going 2425 01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,440 to just you know we're not going to 2426 01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:06,520 adjourn and then this is solved it's not 2427 01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,400 we have a lot of work in front of us I 2428 01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,920 think everybody up here is ready to take 2429 01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,119 on that workload and do whatever we need 2430 01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:15,040 to do and we're not perfect we're going 2431 01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,320 to make mistakes it's going to be trial 2432 01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:21,520 and error right but 2433 01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,840 again something has to to happen action 2434 01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,199 needs to be taken otherwise we are just 2435 01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:28,560 kicking the can down the road and we 2436 01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,880 don't want to do that and I I like 2437 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,599 councilman lard suggestion of each of us 2438 01:41:33,599 --> 01:41:35,360 taking this back which we do all the 2439 01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,199 time take this back reflect upon it and 2440 01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:39,920 then provide our thoughts to either the 2441 01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:44,360 manager or the solicitor and um we turn 2442 01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,599 up with for lack of a better term a 2443 01:41:46,599 --> 01:41:50,040 better product and that's the goal here 2444 01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:54,000 and that's what I suggest we do 2445 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,360 and I just want to point out instead 2446 01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,199 personally if you have any if we're 2447 01:41:58,199 --> 01:41:59,440 taking this back 2448 01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:02,760 tonight that your suggestions go right 2449 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:06,520 to the town manager okay and then he can 2450 01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,280 talk to the group that met last week I 2451 01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,040 know you were on vacation um when most 2452 01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:15,280 of that meeting happened but if you can 2453 01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:16,719 discuss that and get it back with the 2454 01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:19,080 attorney you know then you can work on 2455 01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:23,440 different things um I don't know you 2456 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:24,960 know like you said two weeks might be 2457 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,880 tough but I mean but it should be on the 2458 01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,280 agenda just just to keep it going yes 2459 01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,080 well again I don't want it on the agenda 2460 01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,119 every time just to draw a crowd in in 2461 01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:39,000 the news media either you know um but if 2462 01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,840 if we're getting nowhere or no 2463 01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,440 suggestions or whatever and or they put 2464 01:42:44,440 --> 01:42:46,520 something together we do have to discuss 2465 01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:49,920 it as a whole in public you know so 2466 01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,320 again I would send those suggestions 2467 01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,320 over directly to the town manager if 2468 01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,800 take this back to so I move the 2469 01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:58,280 ordinance I would like to amend that 2470 01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:00,560 motion and actually suggest that we 2471 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,639 table it for this evening I'll second 2472 01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:06,000 that I have a motion to table seconded 2473 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,199 that means there's no more public 2474 01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:10,480 comment all in favor I I I opposed eyes 2475 01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:12,080 have it if you have any comment you can 2476 01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:21,669 bring it up at public comment thank 2477 01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:24,360 you business licenses request from 2478 01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:26,159 Unforgettable events party hall for an 2479 01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:28,159 amplifier loud speaker and Theatrical 2480 01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:29,560 performance shows an exhibition's 2481 01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:32,280 license for premises located at 1745 2482 01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,880 Main Street Unit 2483 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:39,080 5 motion move move the license second 2484 01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:41,480 moov second hi good evening welcome back 2485 01:43:41,480 --> 01:43:43,239 Hi how are you hold on one second kids 2486 01:43:43,239 --> 01:43:44,599 good night and thank you for attending 2487 01:43:44,599 --> 01:43:48,430 tonight thank 2488 01:43:48,440 --> 01:43:51,040 you sorry you had to sit through that 2489 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,440 for this part 2490 01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:56,679 know very intense well you did say last 2491 01:43:56,679 --> 01:43:58,119 time you were here you wanted to learn 2492 01:43:58,119 --> 01:44:00,440 more about what goes on so yes welcome 2493 01:44:00,440 --> 01:44:02,760 aboard very very 2494 01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,520 intense um so I I don't know where he's 2495 01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:25,750 at um so I had sat down with 2496 01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,960 Sor um so I had sat down um with the 2497 01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,840 Fire Marshall and uh guys that work at 2498 01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,480 the fire department and um also sat down 2499 01:44:35,480 --> 01:44:40,400 with the uh the building inspector and 2500 01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:42,280 they had put a few more things on my 2501 01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:46,360 list and I got those things done um I 2502 01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,119 took my crowd management class on the 2503 01:44:48,119 --> 01:44:51,239 26th and passed um and now they're 2504 01:44:51,239 --> 01:44:53,719 saying that I need a second bathroom 2505 01:44:53,719 --> 01:44:56,719 added to my 2506 01:44:56,719 --> 01:45:00,599 hul I brought a list of HS that's in 2507 01:45:00,599 --> 01:45:03,320 Rhode Island all all over Rhode Island 2508 01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:07,800 Pucket Cranston Warick Lincoln that is 2509 01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:10,560 just like my facility and they only have 2510 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,760 one bathroom and they are up and 2511 01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,080 operating 2512 01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:18,040 so I really don't know what's going on 2513 01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,320 like I'm just just trying to open back 2514 01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,080 up my business this is about to be the 2515 01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:23,679 second month of me 2516 01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:26,320 not having my business open and I'm 2517 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:29,040 stuck with paying rent and I'm not 2518 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,239 making no money I'm 2519 01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:33,280 just this is 2520 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,880 just really really 2521 01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,360 really bad for did they explain the 2522 01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:39,719 issue with the bathroom did they tell 2523 01:45:39,719 --> 01:45:41,800 you that it was a certain number of 2524 01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,599 units within a bathroom for a certain 2525 01:45:43,599 --> 01:45:46,760 number of capacity yes they did and so 2526 01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,280 they said it's over 50 people you have 2527 01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:51,360 to have two bathrooms and that's why I 2528 01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,400 got the list of the other Halls that has 2529 01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,159 been approved and they're up and running 2530 01:45:55,159 --> 01:45:57,760 on their business their capacity is over 2531 01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,639 50 and they only have one bathroom and 2532 01:45:59,639 --> 01:46:00,840 if you don't mind me asking what is your 2533 01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:02,960 bathroom situation now within each 2534 01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,719 bathroom is there like a single stall um 2535 01:46:05,719 --> 01:46:09,760 it's a single stall it's a toilet and um 2536 01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,119 the sign on it it's unisex male or 2537 01:46:12,119 --> 01:46:14,719 female okay I've had no problem with the 2538 01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:16,679 bathrooms the events that I throw is 2539 01:46:16,679 --> 01:46:18,679 very in it's intimate there's no 2540 01:46:18,679 --> 01:46:20,360 strangers so we're not going to have 2541 01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:21,679 people fighting over oh I got to go to 2542 01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:23,679 the bathroom one single bathroom for the 2543 01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:26,480 entire bathroom yes one single bathroom 2544 01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:29,360 and I mean that's how I've been doing it 2545 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,000 for the past couple months and never had 2546 01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,400 an issue with one bathroom and these 2547 01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:34,800 other Halls that have been approved in 2548 01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,840 up and running they never had an issue 2549 01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,760 either and I mean they they they're up 2550 01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,320 and running like their business is going 2551 01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,480 so remind me once again what your 2552 01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:48,560 capacity is my at first when I first um 2553 01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,239 when they first came they said it was 2554 01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:52,320 going to be 118 but I they gave me some 2555 01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,040 things to do 2556 01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:55,639 and then after the incident happened 2557 01:46:55,639 --> 01:46:58,920 with the cops coming they put it down to 2558 01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:02,440 114 and so it's 14 2559 01:47:02,440 --> 01:47:04,679 now okay 2560 01:47:04,679 --> 01:47:06,960 um who is 2561 01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,719 require Bob asone can you come on up for 2562 01:47:09,719 --> 01:47:16,270 a second can you explain the bathroom 2563 01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,320 thing are good how are you um we did 2564 01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:23,719 have a convers a conversation um to ago 2565 01:47:23,719 --> 01:47:27,960 yeah um I explained to her how it works 2566 01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:29,760 um and I 2567 01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,159 also 2568 01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:36,000 um hold on please call a State Building 2569 01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:39,560 official for a opinion on my 2570 01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:42,080 call which you 2571 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:45,119 know that's always available and I I 2572 01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:46,920 always give that people a do with I'm 2573 01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,920 not perfect but unfortunately the 2574 01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:54,109 codee's the code uh 29021 2575 01:47:54,119 --> 01:47:58,960 is the chart for um Plumbing fixture 2576 01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,080 needs uh she's an 2577 01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,800 assembly um there's two things in 2578 01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:07,400 assembly um I can call you banquet hall 2579 01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,920 or restaurant whatever it is it's really 2580 01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,159 kind of vague because there is nothing 2581 01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:14,280 for what she is but it's definitely an 2582 01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:17,679 assembly I use the less stringent count 2583 01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:20,480 to give her less bathrooms but there's 2584 01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:23,679 nowhere in the code that say say an 2585 01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:27,199 assembly can have just one bathroom if 2586 01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:29,760 it's over 50 people the minimum is one 2587 01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:34,920 in one plus a service sync and a 2588 01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,560 drinking fountain that's what's required 2589 01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:41,040 in my building code 2590 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,280 um if other towns aren't doing their job 2591 01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:47,920 Pro uh properly I'm not going to do that 2592 01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,159 I'm only going by the code uh there's 2593 01:48:50,159 --> 01:48:52,920 there's no gray area in my code I did 2594 01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,679 call the state myself to get 2595 01:48:55,679 --> 01:48:58,920 clarification and they agree with me I 2596 01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:01,199 did call W and talk to the building 2597 01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:03,599 official and he agreed with me he said 2598 01:49:03,599 --> 01:49:05,760 he didn't know that happened I don't 2599 01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,080 know what to 2600 01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:11,320 do did you post did you call State I I 2601 01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,719 did I did call the state twice I left 2602 01:49:13,719 --> 01:49:16,199 the message they called me back I spoke 2603 01:49:16,199 --> 01:49:18,199 with uh the secretary or whoever I don't 2604 01:49:18,199 --> 01:49:20,000 know who who the lady is that I spoke to 2605 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,679 but they took all the information down 2606 01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:23,199 they said they're going to relay it to 2607 01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:25,599 the commissioner but I still have not 2608 01:49:25,599 --> 01:49:28,440 got any phone calls from him or her I 2609 01:49:28,440 --> 01:49:30,560 don't know if it's a male or female um 2610 01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,840 so I I've just been literally 2611 01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:37,760 just waiting and I I just I don't know I 2612 01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,560 get what he's saying that's in his book 2613 01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,719 and you know he has to go by his 2614 01:49:41,719 --> 01:49:45,520 book but and like I stated in the 2615 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,880 meeting that we had um upstairs they 2616 01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:49,800 even looked up the hall that I mentioned 2617 01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:51,480 that's in work that for the building 2618 01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:52,800 inspector that they spoke to they see 2619 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,400 pictures and they say yeah it's it's one 2620 01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:56,679 bathroom and like I said there's nine I 2621 01:49:56,679 --> 01:49:59,280 have nine Halls throughout Rhode Island 2622 01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,920 that only has one bathroom my hall is 2623 01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,760 literally just a rectangle there's no 2624 01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,239 corners there's nothing to turn as soon 2625 01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:08,239 as you walk in you can see the back door 2626 01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:11,000 it's nothing major it's only 1,800 2627 01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:14,960 square feet to be exact so I mean the 2628 01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:16,520 bathroom is literally the only thing 2629 01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,719 that is holding me I I I spoke to a 2630 01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:22,800 plumber um to see you know if if if it's 2631 01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,320 possible for me to build another one 2632 01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,920 they want 8,000 or 2633 01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:30,880 more I'm already 10,000 in of having to 2634 01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:32,360 pay two months of rent that I'm not even 2635 01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:34,760 operating my business my bills my 2636 01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,760 storage and I have seven kids I can't do 2637 01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:42,520 it no more I have I'm I put so much hard 2638 01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:45,040 work into this place I renovated with my 2639 01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:48,199 kids I I didn't hire any we renovated I 2640 01:50:48,199 --> 01:50:49,000 did the 2641 01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,400 floors chandeliers the place is 2642 01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,000 beautiful and I all this money spent and 2643 01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,960 now it's 2644 01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,440 and if I could bring this up when I 2645 01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:01,639 first got my business 2646 01:51:01,639 --> 01:51:05,199 there when they first came in it was no 2647 01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:07,560 problem with the one bathroom but after 2648 01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,880 this incident now the second bathroom is 2649 01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,159 being brought up they they're saying 2650 01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:13,599 that they didn't know that my place was 2651 01:51:13,599 --> 01:51:15,960 going to be a party hall who was that 2652 01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:21,079 the um the Fire Marshals and and him 2653 01:51:21,079 --> 01:51:25,360 right there um sorry Bob 2654 01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,639 so when they first came I sat down with 2655 01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:31,159 them so in the name of my place is 2656 01:51:31,159 --> 01:51:33,079 Unforgettable events party hall it's on 2657 01:51:33,079 --> 01:51:35,920 the door it's on the sign like 2658 01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,599 it's I I took a ride I did take a ride 2659 01:51:38,599 --> 01:51:40,000 by after the last meeting I just wanted 2660 01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,239 to see where it was in that building 2661 01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:44,400 yeah and I think I was on the phone with 2662 01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,880 the solicitor at the time and I said let 2663 01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,599 say Unforgettable events party hall I 2664 01:51:49,599 --> 01:51:51,400 had all my T I had all my I don't know 2665 01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:53,599 if it was that's 2666 01:51:53,599 --> 01:51:55,760 my door the door was always there the 2667 01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:57,639 sign on the door was always 2668 01:51:57,639 --> 01:52:01,400 there yeah I I you don't know how bad I 2669 01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:03,560 want to give you this license but 2670 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:05,920 there's always a butt right there are 2671 01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,840 things that have to be done now the 2672 01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,639 question to you Bob is you're saying a 2673 01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:13,480 minimum is one male one female bathroom 2674 01:52:13,480 --> 01:52:15,360 regardless of capacity who you want to 2675 01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,560 sex it could be right or two unisex two 2676 01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,239 two bathrooms two bathrooms over that's 2677 01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:26,709 minimum over 50 over 50 is cons 2678 01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:31,320 so um what if what if you 2679 01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:36,520 kept your events to 50 and under until 2680 01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,280 you could do something with that 2681 01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:42,000 bathroom situation I mean if that's the 2682 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,000 option because I I I have to because I 2683 01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,800 want you to start making money you need 2684 01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,480 to start making I'm bleeding so who is 2685 01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:51,480 going to police that and I'm not saying 2686 01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:52,520 the same person that would police any 2687 01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:55,520 capacity right I mean well problem is um 2688 01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,760 this is this is my confusion I'm sorry 2689 01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,599 Bob but this is this is one of my 2690 01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:02,560 confusions with fire marshal building 2691 01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:04,840 official so on and so forth I'm dealing 2692 01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,760 I've dealt with this at 52 Prov stre I 2693 01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:11,920 think it's 52 53 Providence Street where 2694 01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,840 we have a capacity of 150 with a parking 2695 01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:16,320 lot of 15 2696 01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:19,440 cars so I asked the question how do you 2697 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:23,360 give that 150 capacity based upon a 2698 01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,719 parking spot of 15 cars and and so the 2699 01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:29,079 same thing I have here is so the Fire 2700 01:53:29,079 --> 01:53:31,880 Marshall goes into the building and 2701 01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:36,480 says you have a capacity of 114 2702 01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:40,960 people how does you're now authorizing 2703 01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:44,040 her to have 114 people and the building 2704 01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,719 official says well the rule of 100 over 2705 01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:51,360 50 is two bathrooms so at that point and 2706 01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:52,800 I don't know the laws and I don't know 2707 01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,480 the Fire Marshall rules I'm I never went 2708 01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:56,599 to school for it but when a fire 2709 01:53:56,599 --> 01:53:58,199 marshall walks into the building and 2710 01:53:58,199 --> 01:54:00,639 says there one bathroom should they know 2711 01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:02,159 there should not be over 50 people in 2712 01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:04,719 there or that's not the that's not the 2713 01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:06,000 that's what I'm asking I don't know 2714 01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,560 that's not the fight and um with the 2715 01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:13,639 parking there's also a chart in my book 2716 01:54:13,639 --> 01:54:17,800 what business and what uh parking spots 2717 01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:23,440 required handicap or um Regular um my 2718 01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:25,880 suggestion like ask her to call the 2719 01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:29,440 state if they give her a relief on that 2720 01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:31,000 for some reason I have no problem with 2721 01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,239 it but but you're not going to do it and 2722 01:54:33,239 --> 01:54:35,239 I understand that I can't do it I 2723 01:54:35,239 --> 01:54:36,760 understand that so she can appeal to the 2724 01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:39,360 state absolutely I 2725 01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:41,719 mean I want her to make money I told 2726 01:54:41,719 --> 01:54:43,440 that last time I would love her to make 2727 01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,280 money I want to make much money she can 2728 01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:47,760 but in terms of Licensing is there 2729 01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:49,560 anything we can do 2730 01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:54,560 to until all the requirements are met um 2731 01:54:54,560 --> 01:55:01,790 cap that capacity at 50 2732 01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:05,910 no 2733 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:12,510 OCC you're 2734 01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,920 not we can't we can't have the capacity 2735 01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,280 to be lower with the one you're not 2736 01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,960 allowed to do no it goes by square 2737 01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:22,000 footage the square footage of the 2738 01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,320 building so if so if an individual a 2739 01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,880 business owner requests that they want 2740 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,159 their capacity to be no more than 50 2741 01:55:29,159 --> 01:55:31,960 they they don't have that right not by 2742 01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,159 Cod un 2743 01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:37,760 do cut bill in half no you know I'm just 2744 01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,440 trying to think outside the box here but 2745 01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:41,639 sometimes you see these these baseball 2746 01:55:41,639 --> 01:55:43,320 and football stadiums and they just put 2747 01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,679 TPS over certain number of 2748 01:55:45,679 --> 01:55:48,040 seats and I I don't know why they do 2749 01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:49,719 that other than to make it look better 2750 01:55:49,719 --> 01:55:51,400 but the fact that they're not selling 2751 01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:54,159 out but is that something that she could 2752 01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:58,360 do because she puts up a tar not a tar 2753 01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,440 but per right that square footage cannot 2754 01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,280 be used by people either standing up or 2755 01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,440 sitting up so it couldn't be a 2756 01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:08,760 divider you get 1800 square feet yeah so 2757 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,639 in order to reduce 2758 01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:13,960 her occupany down to 50 you'd have to do 2759 01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:15,599 the math out and say okay what what 2760 01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:17,920 would that square footage be I know 2761 01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:22,470 that's a hard 2762 01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,840 half probably less than half right yeah 2763 01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,639 maybe 800 square feet something like 2764 01:56:27,639 --> 01:56:33,310 that 2765 01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:37,360 yeah just put up right know ass no no 2766 01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:39,560 which using that as which might cost the 2767 01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:41,280 $8,000 that she needs to put the 2768 01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:42,760 bathroom in 2769 01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:45,400 so and I know nobody GNA be a fan of me 2770 01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:49,199 saying this but we always anyway yeah we 2771 01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:51,360 always we always um approve these 2772 01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,400 licenses contingent to police fire and 2773 01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:56,320 whatever so that was so if she can get 2774 01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,360 relief from the state she don't have to 2775 01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:04,750 wait two more weeks for us you know so 2776 01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:09,639 um what is she gonna SE for one bathroom 2777 01:57:09,639 --> 01:57:11,639 the reduction ofy along with that that's 2778 01:57:11,639 --> 01:57:14,079 up to her but if she really I think her 2779 01:57:14,079 --> 01:57:16,800 first road is she wants to seek relief 2780 01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:18,960 to one bathroom and keep the capacity 2781 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,199 where it is but secondly if that does 2782 01:57:22,199 --> 01:57:24,440 doesn't pan out then she would probably 2783 01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:26,320 have to seek relief to reduce her 2784 01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:27,880 occupancy as long as the building 2785 01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,000 official keeps uh the manager in the 2786 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,440 loop as to what's going on and also uh 2787 01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:35,079 fire if necessary I don't think that's a 2788 01:57:35,079 --> 01:57:36,920 problem but I have no idea how long it 2789 01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:38,679 seems like it seems like she's up today 2790 01:57:38,679 --> 01:57:40,599 all the fire no this particular issue I 2791 01:57:40,599 --> 01:57:42,040 don't know how long the state will take 2792 01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:45,079 Bob you might have an idea I have no 2793 01:57:45,079 --> 01:57:48,040 idea want to make a promise that no no 2794 01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:50,480 here's my isue ability put three to six 2795 01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,800 months to get some respon state is my 2796 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,239 issue with that we we just this is no 2797 01:57:55,239 --> 01:57:58,480 offense we we just sat here for a couple 2798 01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,520 hours and then last meeting was three 2799 01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:04,280 and a half hours going over behavior and 2800 01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:07,280 what's what's accountable and all that 2801 01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:08,520 and not saying that anything you're 2802 01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:10,000 doing is is wrong you want to do 2803 01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,920 anything wrong but we're going back and 2804 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:15,679 forth talking about police enforcement 2805 01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:18,440 and enforcement that's what it is and 2806 01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:20,599 how people are doing things the wrong 2807 01:58:20,599 --> 01:58:23,920 way out in public and and that learns to 2808 01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,280 that turns to criminal behavior and and 2809 01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:28,239 behavior that you going against 2810 01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:31,000 ordinances I can't sit here and go 2811 01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,320 against an or code of ordinances 2812 01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:35,760 building code building yeah I mean I I 2813 01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:37,480 just I can't do that and say it's okay 2814 01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:39,880 for you that's pretty hypocrit that's 2815 01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:42,159 hypocritical of me and I think that's 2816 01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:44,400 why I said and I I can't with police 2817 01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:46,400 fire and building 2818 01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:49,560 approvals and if you can't approve it I 2819 01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:51,560 I'm not gonna ask you to break the code 2820 01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:52,840 because that's what would be doing if 2821 01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:54,320 that was allow tonight I I think what's 2822 01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,040 going to happen is you're going to 2823 01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:59,199 approve it additionally upon her getting 2824 01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:01,239 everything in order at the Town level 2825 01:59:01,239 --> 01:59:02,599 and everything in order at the state 2826 01:59:02,599 --> 01:59:04,320 level because the building official is 2827 01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,079 not going to give her any type of Co 2828 01:59:06,079 --> 01:59:07,800 until he gets that information that's 2829 01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:09,800 not gonna happen two weeks no no no I'm 2830 01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:11,000 not say I don't know how long it's going 2831 01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:13,440 to take but I think what the uh 2832 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:15,880 president's proposing is that you 2833 01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:18,079 granted conditionally and then the 2834 01:59:18,079 --> 01:59:19,960 building official will let you know if 2835 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,599 it's been or met compliance if it hasn't 2836 01:59:22,599 --> 01:59:24,159 met compliance he's not going to issue a 2837 01:59:24,159 --> 01:59:25,840 CO for her to reopen just about every 2838 01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,639 one of our licenses we approve they all 2839 01:59:28,639 --> 01:59:29,920 they all are we're approving it we don't 2840 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,360 know whether Bob or or the fire 2841 01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:33,480 department's gonna find something wrong 2842 01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:35,920 we're approving it and then but we know 2843 01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,840 there's something wrong and it's coming 2844 01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:39,920 before us it's not like there's a liquor 2845 01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:41,280 license and somebody has to do this to 2846 01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:42,520 get a liquor license and it comes you 2847 01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:43,760 before actually do you have a liquor 2848 01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:46,679 license no I'm not no alcohol yeah using 2849 01:59:46,679 --> 01:59:48,560 that as an example you know that's 2850 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:50,400 something we're in control of if if I 2851 01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:53,000 may has the certificate of occup been 2852 01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:57,040 revoked no all right so in order to not 2853 01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:58,920 allow her to be open to have these types 2854 01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:01,560 of events you'd have to revoke that no 2855 02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:03,880 there's a CO on the whole building given 2856 02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:05,840 at time of 2857 02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,639 um when it's built there's only one Co 2858 02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:11,840 given this would be an approval for the 2859 02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,360 business but you'd have control over 2860 02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,159 that approval and you could withhold the 2861 02:00:15,159 --> 02:00:17,360 approval until you get notification from 2862 02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:19,480 the state that she's in compliance where 2863 02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:20,960 where does the landlord stand in all 2864 02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:24,199 this um he I I I called him and I have a 2865 02:00:24,199 --> 02:00:27,639 threeyear lease with them that I signed 2866 02:00:27,639 --> 02:00:30,159 um so he said if I have to build the 2867 02:00:30,159 --> 02:00:32,920 second bathroom that I could do so he 2868 02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:34,560 doesn't have a problem with us doing 2869 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:37,800 thatp net Le you're responsible pay for 2870 02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:41,679 it like I just want to ask so and I know 2871 02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,599 the landar but you're you're in a 2872 02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:46,560 building yes that you're going to spend 2873 02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:48,199 a lot of money into put a lot of money 2874 02:00:48,199 --> 02:00:51,000 into and in three years your lease is up 2875 02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:54,199 yes but but it's it's it's up with like 2876 02:00:54,199 --> 02:00:56,480 if if I want to keep it I 2877 02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,719 can so it's not up and then it's fin so 2878 02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:01,000 I can renew it yes I can renew it if I 2879 02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:03,560 if I I choose to one more thing I'd like 2880 02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:08,920 to bring up um cently there's um I have 2881 02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,760 three applications in front of me for 2882 02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:15,159 the same exact thing that she's doing 2883 02:01:15,159 --> 02:01:17,760 and it's it's not her all of a sudden I 2884 02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:19,119 got busy with this I don't know what's 2885 02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:21,360 going on that's not that's not for you 2886 02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,470 yeah I know 2887 02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,679 okay again I'm I'm trying to think 2888 02:01:26,679 --> 02:01:28,280 outside the box and I don't even like 2889 02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:29,960 what I'm thinking right now about this 2890 02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:31,840 suggestion 2891 02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:34,520 but what if there 2892 02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:38,840 was uh a portable a porta potty outside 2893 02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:40,920 in the back out the back door not 2894 02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:43,199 allowed by Cod okay again I don't know 2895 02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:44,440 these things that's why I'm asking I 2896 02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:46,440 asked that too I'm just 2897 02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:53,069 trying okay all right 2898 02:01:53,079 --> 02:02:01,069 Chief do you want to say 2899 02:02:01,079 --> 02:02:04,079 something there and whatnot you know 2900 02:02:04,079 --> 02:02:07,079 just the CO detector you did get the CR 2901 02:02:07,079 --> 02:02:09,639 you have to present that okay the delay 2902 02:02:09,639 --> 02:02:12,679 we're all set with but I also um notice 2903 02:02:12,679 --> 02:02:14,440 the next thing on the 2904 02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:20,000 agenda is um for Holy Ghost for an so 2905 02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:21,960 how is it that they have to come like 2906 02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:25,040 each time and you go and we're here 2907 02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:27,440 looking at doing something that just 2908 02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:30,639 continuous so is there a distinction s 2909 02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:34,119 or should there be any sort of every 2910 02:02:34,119 --> 02:02:36,719 license that goes before the council we 2911 02:02:36,719 --> 02:02:38,800 have to get sign offs from each of those 2912 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:40,840 departments their amplify a loud speaker 2913 02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:44,239 is outside too for this event not 2914 02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:46,480 inside because they have it the actual 2915 02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:48,520 they have a license for inside they do 2916 02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:50,040 have a license so they have a they have 2917 02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:53,119 a license for inside when the Holy Ghost 2918 02:02:53,119 --> 02:02:54,920 has an event outside this is a trunk or 2919 02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:57,360 treat so they need to come anything 2920 02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,520 outside they need to come before 2921 02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,599 us but every every license and 2922 02:03:02,599 --> 02:03:04,360 registration has to get signed off from 2923 02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:06,880 every department so it's not just 2924 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:28,830 everyone's treating the same 2925 02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:31,639 side if she does so here's what I have 2926 02:03:31,639 --> 02:03:33,840 to say if she does happen to get the 2927 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:38,480 appeal through the state and the state 2928 02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,400 overrides Bob which in times it does 2929 02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:43,480 happen we know that if the state 2930 02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:46,320 overrides Bob then she don't have to 2931 02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,440 worry about coming back before us she 2932 02:03:48,440 --> 02:03:49,719 has to still get the approval and the 2933 02:03:49,719 --> 02:03:52,159 sign off because once they override you 2934 02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:53,760 you still have to sign off on it with 2935 02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:57,840 their override correct right correct 2936 02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:00,960 um yeah so the what you think I mean you 2937 02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:04,320 you got something no 2938 02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:07,679 um it's been two weeks and I don't 2939 02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:11,280 understand why the state hasn't gotten 2940 02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,360 back up with her and hey Bob I've been 2941 02:04:14,360 --> 02:04:16,679 dealing with a no turn on right sign 2942 02:04:16,679 --> 02:04:18,400 down on Fair View have poor residents 2943 02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,880 been emailing emailing I had to get a 2944 02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,360 State Rep involved it was over two 2945 02:04:22,360 --> 02:04:23,880 months before he got a response and once 2946 02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:25,599 the State Rep got involved got a 2947 02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:29,079 response the next day so I I I don't 2948 02:04:29,079 --> 02:04:30,599 disbelieve that the state's not 2949 02:04:30,599 --> 02:04:32,880 responsive I don't either I don't either 2950 02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:36,239 um um doesn't make me happy because this 2951 02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:37,960 is what happened puts it on you you know 2952 02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:41,960 I like a bad guy um I would look if she 2953 02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:44,159 went to the right to the door and of 2954 02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:49,079 that the state on Jeff uh just Boulevard 2955 02:04:49,079 --> 02:04:51,119 you know walk in there they're not going 2956 02:04:51,119 --> 02:04:52,480 to deny you yeah you know what I'm 2957 02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:56,159 saying um you can talk to anybody in 2958 02:04:56,159 --> 02:04:59,239 there should have the cl to get you to 2959 02:04:59,239 --> 02:05:01,320 the right person and let them 2960 02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:06,000 know um the situation you're in um you 2961 02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,520 know I've done what I've done what I 2962 02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:10,639 could I've called a state to see what 2963 02:05:10,639 --> 02:05:11,880 you 2964 02:05:11,880 --> 02:05:14,840 know not to see to give it a v that's 2965 02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:17,520 not for me but yep to make sure I'm on 2966 02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:18,800 the 2967 02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:24,709 right the right way about it 2968 02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:26,040 all right I have a motion in a second 2969 02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:27,800 any other discussion on this and I think 2970 02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:30,000 this gent yeah it's not well it's it's 2971 02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,639 comment on the license yep so just come 2972 02:05:31,639 --> 02:05:32,800 on up to the mic state your name and 2973 02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:34,599 address for the record my name is 2974 02:05:34,599 --> 02:05:37,520 Michael kelica the address is 1755 Main 2975 02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,920 Street and that is the ab buding 2976 02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:43,119 property we um AB buding property to the 2977 02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:47,360 1745 address um you know you've got um 2978 02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:50,800 State Fire code or building code that 2979 02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:52,639 says if you have this much square feet 2980 02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:56,159 you need to have the following things 2981 02:05:56,159 --> 02:06:01,239 and that's that's from the state and I'm 2982 02:06:01,239 --> 02:06:02,840 pretty surprised that the Town Council 2983 02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:04,639 was thinking that we can just go in 2984 02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:06,840 there and tweak those numbers and in the 2985 02:06:06,840 --> 02:06:10,040 town of West Warwick so we're not not so 2986 02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:11,920 you're saying that she needs to get the 2987 02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:14,320 state to change that and that'll be fine 2988 02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:16,079 with you so everybody's legal right no 2989 02:06:16,079 --> 02:06:18,559 matter what fire inspection or building 2990 02:06:18,559 --> 02:06:21,000 official if they don't like the town's 2991 02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:22,239 answer they have have the right to 2992 02:06:22,239 --> 02:06:23,920 appeal to the state boorn that's what 2993 02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:26,440 I'm thinking so she has that right to 2994 02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:30,239 appeal so our our building official is 2995 02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:33,840 denying her application based upon one 2996 02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:36,520 bath right she has the right to go to 2997 02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:39,719 the state and appeal that decision they 2998 02:06:39,719 --> 02:06:42,440 can overturn that decision or they can 2999 02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:44,400 live by that decision right now the 3000 02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:46,719 state doesn't supersede the town right 3001 02:06:46,719 --> 02:06:48,199 so that's going to come from the state 3002 02:06:48,199 --> 02:06:49,760 not from the council corre that's what I 3003 02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:52,480 want to clarify okay um first I would 3004 02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,840 like to start by um addressing some 3005 02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,760 papers here I made copies for all the 3006 02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:59,079 council members and also for the council 3007 02:06:59,079 --> 02:07:01,000 list just what's your step coming up we 3008 02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:04,199 took the watch your step sign down right 3009 02:07:04,199 --> 02:07:06,199 thank you CP it just matches when you 3010 02:07:06,199 --> 02:07:08,280 look at it so thank 3011 02:07:08,280 --> 02:07:18,149 you it's it's an illusion 3012 02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:23,440 yeah so Miss K Miss h 3013 02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:25,960 um this first paper I'm showing right 3014 02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:27,639 here you recognize this is coming from 3015 02:07:27,639 --> 02:07:30,000 your Facebook page right yes okay I 3016 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,719 printed this on Sunday um it says that 3017 02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:34,760 was six days ago that you made this post 3018 02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:36,400 that's at the top of the page right yeah 3019 02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,719 and that was about someone about someone 3020 02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:40,320 who uh wasn't going to be able to have 3021 02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,880 their event at your place right yes and 3022 02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:46,559 I had to give money back right and um 3023 02:07:46,559 --> 02:07:48,040 and you weren't very happy with the way 3024 02:07:48,040 --> 02:07:50,440 the Tom was treating you you said this 3025 02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:53,400 ain't right what ain't right did and I'm 3026 02:07:53,400 --> 02:07:54,920 I'm so glad you're on my page but you 3027 02:07:54,920 --> 02:07:58,159 got it wrong that statement was for the 3028 02:07:58,159 --> 02:08:02,320 girl yes this is not a hearing Mike so 3029 02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,000 you're not really allowed to ask your 3030 02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:05,440 questions you can make you can make 3031 02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,679 statements to the council but you really 3032 02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:09,360 you really aren't in a position to ask 3033 02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:13,119 her the questions okay um so can I can I 3034 02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:15,559 answer no just slide over so we can 3035 02:08:15,559 --> 02:08:17,159 speak apparently you're going to listen 3036 02:08:17,159 --> 02:08:18,679 to me so I would suggest that the 3037 02:08:18,679 --> 02:08:21,599 council can infer that this business 3038 02:08:21,599 --> 02:08:23,280 which is trying to open up here doesn't 3039 02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:26,040 agree with the policies and procedures 3040 02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:28,840 that you're requiring it to um comply 3041 02:08:28,840 --> 02:08:32,679 with the second page uh council members 3042 02:08:32,679 --> 02:08:34,360 is from the rhod Island Secretary of 3043 02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:37,920 State's website for unforgettable events 3044 02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:40,719 party hall LLC and as you can see about 3045 02:08:40,719 --> 02:08:44,199 four lines down this LLC was revoked by 3046 02:08:44,199 --> 02:08:47,320 the Secretary of State on September 17 3047 02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:50,360 2024 so as a result of that revocation I 3048 02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:53,040 think your solicitor will advise you it 3049 02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:54,760 is not allowed to conduct any business 3050 02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:56,480 in the state of Rhode Island I don't 3051 02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:58,040 think it's allowed to apply for any 3052 02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:00,079 licenses I don't think it's allowed to 3053 02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:01,599 receive any 3054 02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:03,880 licenses um the third thing I would like 3055 02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:05,880 to address is the name of the registered 3056 02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:08,840 agent which is Tannis Hall 148 Atwood 3057 02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:12,079 Avenue I've checked 148 Atwood Avenue in 3058 02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:15,679 Cranston that is a UPS store it is a 3059 02:09:15,679 --> 02:09:19,360 mail drop it's a post office box I would 3060 02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:21,480 um and 3061 02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:23,079 in to the Secretary of State's website 3062 02:09:23,079 --> 02:09:25,079 on the last page of what I've delivered 3063 02:09:25,079 --> 02:09:27,960 to you the registered agent is not 3064 02:09:27,960 --> 02:09:31,760 allowed to have a post office box or a 3065 02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:33,960 mail delivery type company a postal 3066 02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:36,320 company as a registered office that does 3067 02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:38,400 not comply with the secretary estate's 3068 02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:41,920 requirements and it states that um that 3069 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:43,599 the registered agent must be on the 3070 02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:46,760 premises during normal business hours so 3071 02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:50,199 in an awful lot of ways M Hall has not 3072 02:09:50,199 --> 02:09:52,040 complied with what businesses are 3073 02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:54,920 expected to do they're expected to 3074 02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:57,440 follow the rules and regulations of the 3075 02:09:57,440 --> 02:09:58,840 Rhode Island Secretary of State and 3076 02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:01,480 they're not that hard to do and before 3077 02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:04,679 the LLC was revoked in June she received 3078 02:10:04,679 --> 02:10:07,079 a letter that was sent to 148 at w 3079 02:10:07,079 --> 02:10:09,159 Avenue telling her that if she didn't 3080 02:10:09,159 --> 02:10:11,800 file her annual report and of course 3081 02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:13,679 along with that pay the taxes owed to 3082 02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:16,280 the state U Division of Taxation that 3083 02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:18,000 she was going to be revoked and she had 3084 02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:22,000 at least 60 days notice of that and she 3085 02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:26,800 fa to do that um this this is a business 3086 02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:29,480 that while I'm sympathetic to her plate 3087 02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:31,840 that she signed a long-term lease the 3088 02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,480 fact of the matter is that she leased a 3089 02:10:35,480 --> 02:10:38,400 retail store and now wants to take that 3090 02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:42,360 round hole and squeeze this square peg 3091 02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:45,599 through it this building was never 3092 02:10:45,599 --> 02:10:49,159 designed built or intended to be a party 3093 02:10:49,159 --> 02:10:52,320 hall it was designed to be a ret store 3094 02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:54,040 which is why you have the one bathroom 3095 02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:56,599 in there it was not expected that it was 3096 02:10:56,599 --> 02:10:59,159 going to have 114 people in there was 3097 02:10:59,159 --> 02:11:01,679 expected to be full of shelves and 3098 02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:05,320 merchandise and relatively quiet people 3099 02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:07,280 if I were on this Council I would want 3100 02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:09,760 to know from this Hall who is going to 3101 02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:11,760 provide the security when these events 3102 02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:14,960 are taking place because in order to do 3103 02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:18,000 this properly an event Hall like this 3104 02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:20,480 you need to have doorway security so 3105 02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:22,239 that you can control the number of 3106 02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:24,480 people coming in so that you don't 3107 02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,159 exceed the capacity you need to have 3108 02:11:27,159 --> 02:11:29,320 someone searching those people to see 3109 02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:31,880 whether they're bringing alcohol drugs 3110 02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,480 or weapons or something of that nature 3111 02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:38,000 it's at event halls you're going to be 3112 02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:41,000 asked to give a license a theatrical and 3113 02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:44,079 um Amplified music type license um she 3114 02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:46,360 could have live bands in there she can 3115 02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:49,400 have um any kind of party once you issue 3116 02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:52,320 that license and there's not much that 3117 02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:54,159 can be done about it so total strangers 3118 02:11:54,159 --> 02:11:56,360 can be coming in there and intermingling 3119 02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:58,599 you need to make sure that it's safe for 3120 02:11:58,599 --> 02:12:00,880 all the people inside there the people 3121 02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:02,559 that are coming through so they need to 3122 02:12:02,559 --> 02:12:04,400 be searched they need to be checked to 3123 02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:05,480 see whether they're coming in 3124 02:12:05,480 --> 02:12:08,320 intoxicated or high on drugs number two 3125 02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:10,599 she needs somebody inside to keep an eye 3126 02:12:10,599 --> 02:12:12,280 on what's going on among the patrons 3127 02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:15,320 that are already in for security reasons 3128 02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:17,000 to make sure there's no stealing of 3129 02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:20,239 pocketbooks cell phones drug dealing 3130 02:12:20,239 --> 02:12:22,079 smoking in the corner or things of that 3131 02:12:22,079 --> 02:12:24,400 nature number three although she's not 3132 02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:26,679 going to have alcohol on the premises 3133 02:12:26,679 --> 02:12:29,520 inside the premises I would like to know 3134 02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:31,880 if I was on This Town Council what she 3135 02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:34,760 plans to do to prevent people that are 3136 02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:37,400 patrons of her event from leaving the 3137 02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:39,360 premises and walking over to the parking 3138 02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:42,400 their car in the parking lot and having 3139 02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:44,599 a drink there or smoke a little bit of 3140 02:12:44,599 --> 02:12:46,280 pot over there and then come back into 3141 02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:48,760 the premises or walk to the very 3142 02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:51,199 conveniently located liquor store and 3143 02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:54,159 pick up some liquor there and is she 3144 02:12:54,159 --> 02:12:55,559 going to have that kind of thing where 3145 02:12:55,559 --> 02:12:57,199 oh there's no alcohol in our premises it 3146 02:12:57,199 --> 02:12:59,880 all takes place right over there which I 3147 02:12:59,880 --> 02:13:02,599 would want to know if that's the case if 3148 02:13:02,599 --> 02:13:04,760 um My Town council's Police Department 3149 02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:06,559 might have to be the one enforcing 3150 02:13:06,559 --> 02:13:08,239 what's going on the parking lot 3151 02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:11,000 traditionally places that feature these 3152 02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,119 kind of live uh events where people come 3153 02:13:13,119 --> 02:13:15,239 there they may be dancing they may be uh 3154 02:13:15,239 --> 02:13:17,960 live bands or whatever um you've got 3155 02:13:17,960 --> 02:13:20,520 you've got um you've got situations that 3156 02:13:20,520 --> 02:13:22,280 occur in the par parking lots different 3157 02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:23,920 people you know different people that 3158 02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:25,760 don't necessarily know each other I know 3159 02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:27,440 she says everybody's going to know 3160 02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,159 themselves but once you grant the 3161 02:13:29,159 --> 02:13:33,360 license how do you stop that so as far 3162 02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:37,400 as I'm concerned um the last thing is 3163 02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:40,800 the sound the noise this has been 3164 02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:44,760 operating unlicensed as you're aware 3165 02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:47,679 and the adjoining property and I think 3166 02:13:47,679 --> 02:13:49,239 there are other people here tonight to 3167 02:13:49,239 --> 02:13:51,920 testify to this will tell you you that 3168 02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,639 the noise is leaving that building it's 3169 02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:56,840 coming over to 1755 Main Street it's 3170 02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:59,440 coming to the next property 1759 Main 3171 02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:01,880 Street it's going down the river she 3172 02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:04,000 doesn't have enough control over the 3173 02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:07,159 noise if I were on the Town Council I 3174 02:14:07,159 --> 02:14:08,880 would want this place soundproof so that 3175 02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:13,440 the noise inside stays inside and that's 3176 02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:15,639 if the noise is in the parking lot 3177 02:14:15,639 --> 02:14:17,719 somebody controls what's going on if 3178 02:14:17,719 --> 02:14:21,559 they have cars with radios or um fights 3179 02:14:21,559 --> 02:14:24,239 or whatever it is um that that somebody 3180 02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:25,960 from inside can go out there and say 3181 02:14:25,960 --> 02:14:27,679 quiet it down or we're going to call the 3182 02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:30,760 police those are my points it's really 3183 02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:33,199 too loud the way it is right now she 3184 02:14:33,199 --> 02:14:35,400 sound proofs it and the sound stays 3185 02:14:35,400 --> 02:14:36,920 inside the four walls and the parking 3186 02:14:36,920 --> 02:14:39,679 lots quiet that cures a lot of my 3187 02:14:39,679 --> 02:14:43,750 concerns thank 3188 02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:46,880 you I can I ask a question sure all 3189 02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:48,679 right I don't know if we're talking 3190 02:14:48,679 --> 02:14:52,159 about the same venue um 3191 02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:55,239 so forgive me if I I apologize if I'm if 3192 02:14:55,239 --> 02:14:58,480 I'm wrong you're located in um New 3193 02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:07,030 London Square correct yes uh 1745 main 3194 02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:09,320 streeto all right so I'm in the right 3195 02:15:09,320 --> 02:15:11,199 spot I driven by it myself that's that 3196 02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:13,119 is my award yes 3197 02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:15,920 um I don't live right next store but I 3198 02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:17,440 don't share some of the same concerns 3199 02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:19,639 that you have only because you're 3200 02:15:19,639 --> 02:15:23,520 applying and want to just correct it um 3201 02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:25,480 owners's resident according to the 3202 02:15:25,480 --> 02:15:28,679 paperwork we have is 158 Washington Road 3203 02:15:28,679 --> 02:15:30,559 in barington correct yes that's where 3204 02:15:30,559 --> 02:15:33,599 you live yes okay so right spot forag 3205 02:15:33,599 --> 02:15:37,040 yes um what you're applying for like we 3206 02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:40,400 talked last time was an assembly for 3207 02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:43,559 baby showers birthday parties 3208 02:15:43,559 --> 02:15:46,520 um I don't 3209 02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:48,840 see I mean I'm I'm expecting some that's 3210 02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:49,920 what I'm expecting because that's what 3211 02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:51,880 you're applying for 3212 02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:55,440 um um if things get out of hand or so I 3213 02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:56,760 mean we're in a big parking lot where 3214 02:15:56,760 --> 02:15:59,079 there's a lot of other businesses so you 3215 02:15:59,079 --> 02:16:00,639 know obviously people can congregate in 3216 02:16:00,639 --> 02:16:01,840 the parking lot I mean you see it all 3217 02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:03,000 the time people leave jael's kitchen 3218 02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:05,119 they hang out for a little bit and talk 3219 02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:08,079 um that's not really a concern of mine 3220 02:16:08,079 --> 02:16:09,440 it it's more 3221 02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:12,760 of we had an issue last time yes I don't 3222 02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:15,119 want to talk it to death obviously we 3223 02:16:15,119 --> 02:16:17,760 that can't happen ever again yes and can 3224 02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:20,320 I speak on that because uh when I when I 3225 02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:23,440 met with the Fire Marshall and the um 3226 02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:26,119 the building uh 3227 02:16:26,119 --> 02:16:28,920 inspector I said I will no longer have 3228 02:16:28,920 --> 02:16:32,080 sweet 16s at my hall because I noticed 3229 02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:33,719 that was the problem and I don't want to 3230 02:16:33,719 --> 02:16:35,719 repeat that problem so I I said I'll 3231 02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:37,880 keep it at kid kids parties and baby 3232 02:16:37,880 --> 02:16:40,760 showers cuz those are more subtle quiet 3233 02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:42,479 you know no problems and there is no 3234 02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:45,359 alcohol no alcohol and if somebody as a 3235 02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:47,679 parent yes over 21 wants to go to the 3236 02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:50,200 liquor store and buy alcohol and take it 3237 02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:52,960 put in the car and take it home that's 3238 02:16:52,960 --> 02:16:54,840 right but I don't I don't condone 3239 02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:56,399 drinking in the parking lot either and 3240 02:16:56,399 --> 02:16:59,240 also I I do I got my crowd management 3241 02:16:59,240 --> 02:17:02,280 class and I my um cousin she went and 3242 02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:04,120 got her crowd management class the same 3243 02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:06,880 day I did so she could be there on site 3244 02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:10,599 with the customers and I and if there is 3245 02:17:10,599 --> 02:17:13,719 an issue then on the spot that will be 3246 02:17:13,719 --> 02:17:15,599 taken up with the police depart yes 3247 02:17:15,599 --> 02:17:18,359 correct yes correct right correct I 3248 02:17:18,359 --> 02:17:19,519 believe you brought that up last night 3249 02:17:19,519 --> 02:17:21,319 you would have you would have un 3250 02:17:21,319 --> 02:17:23,479 unattended which like no because before 3251 02:17:23,479 --> 02:17:25,319 they was unattended so that's how this 3252 02:17:25,319 --> 02:17:27,120 incident happened but tonight though 3253 02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:30,120 what's on the agenda is is the lack of a 3254 02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:32,240 bathroom yes lack of a bathroom I really 3255 02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:33,840 don't want to get off I think we're off 3256 02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,319 task a little bit Yeah it I really think 3257 02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:37,880 that's our only I think that's my only 3258 02:17:37,880 --> 02:17:40,080 concern is is the bathroom situation it 3259 02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:43,160 that's my concern too so but you also I 3260 02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:44,399 feel like I feel like my character is 3261 02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:47,040 attacked because he he doesn't know he 3262 02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:48,439 doesn't know who I was speaking about I 3263 02:17:48,439 --> 02:17:49,840 was speaking about the young lady that I 3264 02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:52,359 gave the the free party to she has not 3265 02:17:52,359 --> 02:17:56,080 offered me $1 so when I yeah you're all 3266 02:17:56,080 --> 02:17:57,479 to talk trash on Facebook that's what 3267 02:17:57,479 --> 02:18:00,240 it's for that was nothing about hang on 3268 02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:02,439 this has nothing nothing to do with us 3269 02:18:02,439 --> 02:18:04,679 we're talking about the restroom and if 3270 02:18:04,679 --> 02:18:06,719 there is an issue all you know and I 3271 02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:08,319 understand your point too I know exactly 3272 02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:10,399 what you're talking about sound does 3273 02:18:10,399 --> 02:18:14,280 carry and and please just be cognizant 3274 02:18:14,280 --> 02:18:17,719 of of loud music and you know if you're 3275 02:18:17,719 --> 02:18:19,120 doing kids parties there should be no 3276 02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:21,280 profanity or anything you know and just 3277 02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,679 be a good neighbor yes and if not that 3278 02:18:23,679 --> 02:18:26,040 would that's when it becomes an issue I 3279 02:18:26,040 --> 02:18:28,319 feel like he's not even giv me a chance 3280 02:18:28,319 --> 02:18:29,479 well I mean I'm not going to speak for 3281 02:18:29,479 --> 02:18:31,719 anybody I'm just I just want a 3282 02:18:31,719 --> 02:18:35,080 clarification from Sarah when we look at 3283 02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:38,679 page two the data uh revocation 3284 02:18:38,679 --> 02:18:41,800 certificate um was 3285 02:18:41,800 --> 02:18:44,840 91724 when we when we still issue a 3286 02:18:44,840 --> 02:18:47,080 license you also have to be state 3287 02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:49,080 approved also to get your license from 3288 02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:51,760 us or no 3289 02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:53,559 so if 3290 02:18:53,559 --> 02:18:57,559 this revoke was 3291 02:18:57,559 --> 02:18:59,760 revoked what 3292 02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:02,800 is only the LLC has been revoked she's 3293 02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:05,240 not prohibited from doing business as 3294 02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:07,359 Unforgettable events party hall or any 3295 02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:09,200 other name she not she's not required to 3296 02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:12,160 have a corporate inent Identity or LLC 3297 02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:13,639 identity in order to do business in the 3298 02:19:13,639 --> 02:19:15,679 state of Rhode Island how do you get 3299 02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:18,040 insurance and so on and so forth well I 3300 02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:19,319 will take care of that cuz I didn't even 3301 02:19:19,319 --> 02:19:21,559 know that it was up but but I'll go take 3302 02:19:21,559 --> 02:19:22,880 care of that I don't I don't know how 3303 02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:24,960 she applied originally in the with the 3304 02:19:24,960 --> 02:19:26,359 town of West War I don't know if she 3305 02:19:26,359 --> 02:19:29,160 applied as an LLC or she didn't apply in 3306 02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:29,920 in 3307 02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:32,439 Providence it's it's from Unforgettable 3308 02:19:32,439 --> 02:19:34,960 events party hall right but no LLC on 3309 02:19:34,960 --> 02:19:36,439 that this this particular document 3310 02:19:36,439 --> 02:19:38,880 doesn't say LLC but we have no liability 3311 02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:40,880 based on these documents if the insur if 3312 02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:42,519 the insurance company will not insure 3313 02:19:42,519 --> 02:19:44,160 that's a different issue but normally an 3314 02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,200 insurance compan is not going to Ure you 3315 02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:49,120 just because you're not an LLC or an es 3316 02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:53,790 Corp or a corporation 3317 02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:55,760 but if you want to make that part 3318 02:19:55,760 --> 02:19:59,600 possible I mean that's a far 3319 02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:01,560 stretch you have a lot you have a lot of 3320 02:20:01,560 --> 02:20:03,280 businesses in the town of West war that 3321 02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:09,190 are not Incorporated that get business 3322 02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:14,510 licenses okay 3323 02:20:14,520 --> 02:20:16,319 um 3324 02:20:16,319 --> 02:20:18,560 again does anybody else want to speak on 3325 02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:20,720 this matter any other the public comment 3326 02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:22,200 on this 3327 02:20:22,200 --> 02:20:26,070 matter 3328 02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:28,080 gentl he doesn't want to see him to get 3329 02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:30,950 up 3330 02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:33,200 so just state your name and address for 3331 02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:35,670 the 3332 02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:38,399 record just if you want to say reiterate 3333 02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:40,040 no Nichol had a bonus I am the neighbor 3334 02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:42,240 that lives over at 1759 Main Street uh 3335 02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:47,800 the property next to um well two over uh 3336 02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:49,319 the noise is a little bit it was a 3337 02:20:49,319 --> 02:20:50,720 little bit you know I'm not going to say 3338 02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:52,200 obnoxious but it was rambun just late at 3339 02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:54,240 night on some of the parties with that 3340 02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:56,040 back door shut though it's a little bit 3341 02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:58,080 more reserved muffled where it was 3342 02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:00,120 manageable so our concern was just more 3343 02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:02,920 in terms of the back alley access 3344 02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:04,439 excessive noise with that door being 3345 02:21:04,439 --> 02:21:06,600 open if there was sound proofing and 3346 02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:07,920 then whether or not you know it would be 3347 02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:10,439 allowed access to what is in essence a 3348 02:21:10,439 --> 02:21:12,319 service Corridor for the 3349 02:21:12,319 --> 02:21:14,080 businesses um so I want to say that 3350 02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:15,000 might have been the part that there was 3351 02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:17,240 no one there to oversee it in which case 3352 02:21:17,240 --> 02:21:18,600 obviously if there's visibility on it 3353 02:21:18,600 --> 02:21:20,120 then it's a no point but that was just 3354 02:21:20,120 --> 02:21:21,640 you know few comments from not 3355 02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:22,600 understand the whole process and we've 3356 02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:24,160 heard we've heard that from other 3357 02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:26,319 establishments in the town especially if 3358 02:21:26,319 --> 02:21:29,439 their door is open the noise travels 3359 02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:31,080 whether it's soundproofed or not if that 3360 02:21:31,080 --> 02:21:32,880 door is open so that's something you 3361 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:34,920 have to reiterate that the door should 3362 02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:36,319 not but I would add that with the door 3363 02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:40,520 shut it is night and day thank you thank 3364 02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:43,240 you all right no other public comment 3365 02:21:43,240 --> 02:21:47,359 hearing none all in favor I'm not and 3366 02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:49,120 that's only because of the bathroom I 3367 02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:51,399 like to get that straightened out first 3368 02:21:51,399 --> 02:21:54,640 move forward 3369 02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,399 so I think that puts Bob in a very tough 3370 02:21:57,399 --> 02:21:58,560 spot and I don't think that's fair to 3371 02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:02,640 him so I I would tend to agree that we 3372 02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:05,640 should again go to the state I hope you 3373 02:22:05,640 --> 02:22:07,800 can get everything taken care of stand 3374 02:22:07,800 --> 02:22:09,800 back here in two weeks and and be done 3375 02:22:09,800 --> 02:22:13,040 with it yeah that that's a uh yeah I I 3376 02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:16,319 kind of feel the same way I we can't ask 3377 02:22:16,319 --> 02:22:19,720 our town official to go against code I 3378 02:22:19,720 --> 02:22:21,760 don't think we're asking I think I think 3379 02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:23,359 but again no if you can come back and 3380 02:22:23,359 --> 02:22:25,840 you're fully in compliance yeah that's 3381 02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:28,319 that's all we're asking we we're you 3382 02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:29,840 know I know I came up with 3383 02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,120 some some suggestions and just 3384 02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:34,439 spitballing here but it it has to be 3385 02:22:34,439 --> 02:22:36,200 official and it has to be done right 3386 02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:37,600 okay Denise that's majority of the 3387 02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:41,040 counil Bob Bob you or Tim or somebody 3388 02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:43,040 needs to make it clear what the town 3389 02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:45,520 needs it's not simply a phone call that 3390 02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:47,640 says oh I got the state to say that's 3391 02:22:47,640 --> 02:22:49,920 that's that's up to the applicant to 3392 02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:51,760 take care of for appeal it's not what 3393 02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:53,640 not the I understand that but what what 3394 02:22:53,640 --> 02:22:55,920 does the town want from the state so 3395 02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:58,880 they that's what I Bob keep me honest 3396 02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:01,319 here she is going to the state to seek a 3397 02:23:01,319 --> 02:23:03,319 variance the state will write that 3398 02:23:03,319 --> 02:23:06,000 variance up if they give it to you or 3399 02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:08,000 decline your variance right and that's 3400 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,960 what you have to prove to the to it'll 3401 02:23:09,960 --> 02:23:11,720 be sent to you and maybe take Bob's 3402 02:23:11,720 --> 02:23:13,760 advice you said if she went she went 3403 02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:15,479 directly to Jefferson Boulevard it may 3404 02:23:15,479 --> 02:23:17,680 speed the process up or if not reach out 3405 02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:19,880 to your local not the council but if you 3406 02:23:19,880 --> 02:23:21,680 reach your loc state representative they 3407 02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:25,190 might speed the process along as 3408 02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:28,000 well y okay thank you thank you thank 3409 02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:42,510 you so much have a good night you 3410 02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:44,640 too 3411 02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:48,120 goor that was all no no votes I just 3412 02:23:48,120 --> 02:23:50,520 want to make sure I got the vote right I 3413 02:23:50,520 --> 02:23:52,680 didn't vote but I know denied it so 3414 02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:53,880 there's no sense of 3415 02:23:53,880 --> 02:23:57,640 voting well maybe you should maybe maybe 3416 02:23:57,640 --> 02:23:59,200 not to 3417 02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:01,800 vote 3418 02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:04,200 Yes so I would I would actually table 3419 02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:06,200 this item I would I would make a motion 3420 02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:08,040 to table the 3421 02:24:08,040 --> 02:24:10,359 item the one that we just we didn't vote 3422 02:24:10,359 --> 02:24:11,240 on 3423 02:24:11,240 --> 02:24:14,520 this no we didn't there was official 3424 02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:16,479 vote 3425 02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:18,560 right Sarah is saying she didn't have a 3426 02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:22,110 vote 3427 02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:26,040 Happ y have a second to table second all 3428 02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:28,880 in favor I 3429 02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:31,880 I that was me 3430 02:24:31,880 --> 02:24:34,080 yeah request from the Portuguese Holy 3431 02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:35,560 Ghost for an amplifier loudspeaker 3432 02:24:35,560 --> 02:24:37,279 license for an event to be held October 3433 02:24:37,279 --> 02:24:41,160 25th 2024 at 11 ventor Street move the 3434 02:24:41,160 --> 02:24:43,720 license second move second any 3435 02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:47,040 discussion they have four bathrooms so I 3436 02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:48,960 know 3437 02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:54,399 that all favor I opposed eyes have 3438 02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:57,240 it appointments and resignations request 3439 02:24:57,240 --> 02:25:00,120 from Kimberly hustan for appointment to 3440 02:25:00,120 --> 02:25:03,160 the 250th commission move the 3441 02:25:03,160 --> 02:25:05,920 appointment second moveing second any 3442 02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:09,920 discussion Kimberly had toight no see 3443 02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:11,359 her here I don't know if you remember 3444 02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:13,000 Kimberly she had been before you a few 3445 02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:15,520 months ago sheing to get involved Y and 3446 02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:17,560 if you look at the what was posted on 3447 02:25:17,560 --> 02:25:19,720 the agenda with the agenda she's willing 3448 02:25:19,720 --> 02:25:21,520 to do anything really and she wants to 3449 02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:24,279 be involved so thank you for for 3450 02:25:24,279 --> 02:25:28,359 stepping up all in favor I I opposed 3451 02:25:28,359 --> 02:25:30,240 eyes have 3452 02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:32,479 it new business approval of the 3453 02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:33,840 collective bargaining agreement between 3454 02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:36,040 the town of West Lor local 245 Rhode 3455 02:25:36,040 --> 02:25:37,960 Island Council 94 3456 02:25:37,960 --> 02:25:43,520 HFS CME AFL CIO for fiscal years 2 2025 3457 02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:45,920 through 2027 move approval of the 3458 02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:48,680 collective bargaining agreement second 3459 02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:53,389 move in second any discussion 3460 02:25:53,399 --> 02:25:57,399 quickly on my memo to you all 3461 02:25:57,399 --> 02:26:01,279 um on or about July 20th 2021 the town 3462 02:26:01,279 --> 02:26:02,600 entered in a three-year Collective 3463 02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:04,279 bargain agreement with all three of our 3464 02:26:04,279 --> 02:26:07,479 labor unions covering fiscal years 22 23 3465 02:26:07,479 --> 02:26:10,359 and 24 those agreements expired on June 3466 02:26:10,359 --> 02:26:11,920 30th of 3467 02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:14,359 2024 the town Administration and the 3468 02:26:14,359 --> 02:26:16,760 negotiating team for the municipal Union 3469 02:26:16,760 --> 02:26:19,399 reached a tentative agreement or the 3470 02:26:19,399 --> 02:26:20,880 collective bargaining agreement for a 3471 02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:24,600 period of July 1 2024 to June 30th 3472 02:26:24,600 --> 02:26:27,840 2027 this agreement was ratified by the 3473 02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:30,240 membership of the municipal Union on 3474 02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:34,040 September 19th of this year and it is 3475 02:26:34,040 --> 02:26:36,960 Town Council approval is necessary I 3476 02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:39,760 supplied the fiscal impact statement um 3477 02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:42,600 prepared by our finance director Kristen 3478 02:26:42,600 --> 02:26:47,200 Bono um cliffnote version is just the 3479 02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:49,880 main points of interest is the salary 3480 02:26:49,880 --> 02:26:52,439 increase es would be a 3.5% salary 3481 02:26:52,439 --> 02:26:56,120 increase retroactive to July 1st of this 3482 02:26:56,120 --> 02:27:01,080 year and then 2% on July 1 of 2025 3483 02:27:01,080 --> 02:27:04,760 January 1st of 2026 July 1st of 3484 02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:08,319 2026 and January 1st of 3485 02:27:08,319 --> 02:27:11,080 2027 the fiscal impact of the the 3486 02:27:11,080 --> 02:27:13,160 temporary tenative agreement is 3487 02:27:13,160 --> 02:27:16,120 estimated to be slightly more than 3488 02:27:16,120 --> 02:27:20,520 241,000 for fiscal year 25 3489 02:27:20,520 --> 02:27:24,840 $1 18,7 188 approximately for fisc year 3490 02:27:24,840 --> 02:27:26,960 2026 and 3491 02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:30,200 86,87 for fiscal 3492 02:27:30,200 --> 02:27:33,000 27 a significant portion of the funding 3493 02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:33,960 for the 3494 02:27:33,960 --> 02:27:36,880 fy2 has been included in our improve 3495 02:27:36,880 --> 02:27:39,720 approved budget other monetary changes 3496 02:27:39,720 --> 02:27:42,040 include hourly adjustments to shift 3497 02:27:42,040 --> 02:27:44,479 differential and training differentials 3498 02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:47,040 addition of juneth as a recognized 3499 02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,680 holiday several pay scale adjustments 3500 02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:51,920 for position positions of DPW crew 3501 02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:55,200 persons Masons operators foremen police 3502 02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:57,279 dispatchers Town Hall maintenance 3503 02:27:57,279 --> 02:28:00,000 workers accreditation stien for 3504 02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:02,359 non-sworn staff within the police 3505 02:28:02,359 --> 02:28:05,040 department and savings to the town due 3506 02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:07,279 to increase of employees co-share for 3507 02:28:07,279 --> 02:28:11,030 Health 3508 02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:14,920 Care elimination of summer hours and 3509 02:28:14,920 --> 02:28:17,200 adjustments in clothing procurement and 3510 02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:19,840 allowance practices again this fiscal 3511 02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:22,760 impact Act was prepared as required by 3512 02:28:22,760 --> 02:28:25,520 state law by the finance director it is 3513 02:28:25,520 --> 02:28:27,080 my recommendation that the council 3514 02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:28,840 approve this tenative agreement with the 3515 02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:31,960 municipal Union I believe its approval 3516 02:28:31,960 --> 02:28:33,960 of the resolution is in the best fiscal 3517 02:28:33,960 --> 02:28:36,439 interest of the town and its citizens 3518 02:28:36,439 --> 02:28:38,560 and provides a sound agreement with 3519 02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:40,120 Provisions that enhance the town's 3520 02:28:40,120 --> 02:28:42,760 ability to more efficiently manage and 3521 02:28:42,760 --> 02:28:44,760 operate a modern public service 3522 02:28:44,760 --> 02:28:46,840 department and to attract and retain the 3523 02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:49,160 highest quality of employees for the 3524 02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:52,800 important services is provided to our 3525 02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:54,600 community does anybody have any 3526 02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:59,550 questions for Mo any comments 3527 02:28:59,560 --> 02:29:02,960 concerns hearing none all in favor I 3528 02:29:02,960 --> 02:29:08,110 opposed I have 3529 02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:10,640 it resolution to consider change order 3530 02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:12,319 number three for the ice Chiller System 3531 02:29:12,319 --> 02:29:14,319 project 3532 02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:17,000 202312 move the resolution 3533 02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:19,880 second I had mentioned this previously 3534 02:29:19,880 --> 02:29:22,000 as we were going through this process 3535 02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:23,760 that there was going to be a pending 3536 02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:27,160 change order this is a small one in the 3537 02:29:27,160 --> 02:29:29,120 amount of 3538 02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:31,840 $3,850 for the purchase and installation 3539 02:29:31,840 --> 02:29:35,319 of pipes and valves and Associated parts 3540 02:29:35,319 --> 02:29:37,479 to for the makeup water system of the 3541 02:29:37,479 --> 02:29:40,279 ice Chiller system at the ice rink it'll 3542 02:29:40,279 --> 02:29:41,960 be funded through the ice rink's fiscal 3543 02:29:41,960 --> 02:29:45,389 25 operating 3544 02:29:45,399 --> 02:29:48,680 budget any questions for Mark seems like 3545 02:29:48,680 --> 02:29:50,680 we get a lot of these we at the point 3546 02:29:50,680 --> 02:29:52,520 where this is just going to be done it's 3547 02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:55,319 done and operational it's what it's done 3548 02:29:55,319 --> 02:29:56,479 and 3549 02:29:56,479 --> 02:29:58,479 operational we just needed the funding 3550 02:29:58,479 --> 02:30:00,040 source 3551 02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:03,520 okay perfect so we shouldn't see anymore 3552 02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:05,080 so if I say no we have to go look in for 3553 02:30:05,080 --> 02:30:09,160 pennies some it's under warranty now so 3554 02:30:09,160 --> 02:30:12,279 yeah any other comment hearing none all 3555 02:30:12,279 --> 02:30:16,439 in favor opposed eyes have it school 3556 02:30:16,439 --> 02:30:18,040 building committee 3557 02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:20,080 update all right who wants to give the 3558 02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:22,680 update I'll just say quickly we we have 3559 02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:26,319 our meeting tomorrow at at 4 o'clock um 3560 02:30:26,319 --> 02:30:28,359 the school building committee where 3561 02:30:28,359 --> 02:30:32,120 we'll continue um reviewing options for 3562 02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:34,279 our stage two submission again we're 3563 02:30:34,279 --> 02:30:36,479 still exploring options nothing's been 3564 02:30:36,479 --> 02:30:38,960 ruled out um we have a community 3565 02:30:38,960 --> 02:30:42,560 outreach scheduled for October 23rd at 6 3566 02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:45,080 o'clock at the high school in which I 3567 02:30:45,080 --> 02:30:46,600 believe that'll probably be the first 3568 02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:49,560 opportunity for options to be publicly 3569 02:30:49,560 --> 02:30:51,640 reviewed Feld um so I think we're 3570 02:30:51,640 --> 02:30:54,399 hopeful to have vetted them um within 3571 02:30:54,399 --> 02:30:56,160 our smaller committee and have them out 3572 02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:58,880 to the public that night on October 23rd 3573 02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:00,680 I know we had the first community 3574 02:31:00,680 --> 02:31:04,720 outreach on September 18th I was at 3575 02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:06,439 another event and could have attend so I 3576 02:31:06,439 --> 02:31:09,000 defer to one of you that was able to be 3577 02:31:09,000 --> 02:31:11,760 there um it was led by tekon and left 3578 02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:14,760 field the the two Consultants that um 3579 02:31:14,760 --> 02:31:16,120 and they were very pleased with the 3580 02:31:16,120 --> 02:31:19,120 turnout there were probably 20 25 people 3581 02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:21,279 there um they said certainly on a 3582 02:31:21,279 --> 02:31:22,640 preliminary one that they wouldn't 3583 02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:25,120 expect anybody really to be there it 3584 02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:26,840 lasted an hour there were some good 3585 02:31:26,840 --> 02:31:30,640 questions and good uh thoughts as to 3586 02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:32,680 what people might like to see and we 3587 02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:34,640 encouraged everyone and encourage still 3588 02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:37,080 encourage everyone to come out on the 3589 02:31:37,080 --> 02:31:40,640 23rd is that right of October same thing 3590 02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:43,870 uh High School 3591 02:31:43,880 --> 02:31:46,160 auditorium and that content's expected 3592 02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:48,840 to be a bit more exciting 3593 02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:51,680 correct kind of exciting last time it 3594 02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:54,000 was some excitement you're right it was 3595 02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:57,439 fun any questions for the town manager 3596 02:31:57,439 --> 02:32:00,200 us thank 3597 02:32:00,200 --> 02:32:02,520 you upcoming appointments the are use 3598 02:32:02,520 --> 02:32:03,760 Sport review appointment to fill a 3599 02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:05,120 vacancy as an alternate member for a 3600 02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:07,240 three-year term SE use foral review 3601 02:32:07,240 --> 02:32:08,479 appointment to fill a vacancy as a 3602 02:32:08,479 --> 02:32:10,720 regular member for a three-year term tax 3603 02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:12,279 assessment foral review appointment to 3604 02:32:12,279 --> 02:32:13,960 fill a vacancy for a three-year term 3605 02:32:13,960 --> 02:32:16,800 School building committee tree Warden 3606 02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:18,760 Recreation committee appointment to fill 3607 02:32:18,760 --> 02:32:21,840 a vacancy for a threee term westw 250th 3608 02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:24,439 commission and pit River Authority 3609 02:32:24,439 --> 02:32:25,920 appointment to fill a vacancy for an 3610 02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:28,800 unexpired term ending June 2026 public 3611 02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:32,790 forum any public 3612 02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:37,359 comment none motion to adjourn second 3613 02:32:37,359 --> 02:32:41,710 all in favor I 3614 02:32:41,720 --> 02:32:45,240 I uh we said public comment I said none 3615 02:32:45,240 --> 02:32:48,040 oh come on if you feel like 3616 02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:58,190 rejourn come on up 3617 02:32:58,200 --> 02:33:00,240 right just state your name and address 3618 02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:04,520 for the record Chris bue 44 rat 3619 02:33:04,520 --> 02:33:08,479 Lane um Colonel not Mr Williamson Town 3620 02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:10,640 Council folks Madam 3621 02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:12,960 Rose uh concern has come to my attention 3622 02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:14,160 in regard to the amount of new 3623 02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:15,520 construction occurring throughout our 3624 02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:17,720 town another concern is the number of 3625 02:33:17,720 --> 02:33:19,439 complaints regarding flooding and lack 3626 02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:21,560 of run off throughout our parts of the 3627 02:33:21,560 --> 02:33:23,720 town as well I think it's worthy of 3628 02:33:23,720 --> 02:33:26,080 consideration that both are related in 3629 02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:27,760 my neighborhood there's been a lot of 3630 02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:29,319 new real estate development along East 3631 02:33:29,319 --> 02:33:31,520 grage Avenue and what triggered my 3632 02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:33,920 desire to make this concern public is in 3633 02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:35,840 regard to the property at the east 3634 02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:37,640 corner of Green Bush Road and East Gage 3635 02:33:37,640 --> 02:33:40,479 Avenue in the recent past the V house uh 3636 02:33:40,479 --> 02:33:41,800 was sold to new owners and they 3637 02:33:41,800 --> 02:33:44,000 subdivided the land It's Not Unusual 3638 02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:45,359 these days when you are purchasing a 3639 02:33:45,359 --> 02:33:47,560 large lot however personally would 3640 02:33:47,560 --> 02:33:49,960 prefer not to see it uh but it's there 3641 02:33:49,960 --> 02:33:51,279 they can do what they want however my 3642 02:33:51,279 --> 02:33:52,960 concern is not with the property owners 3643 02:33:52,960 --> 02:33:54,479 or developers but actually what the 3644 02:33:54,479 --> 02:33:57,240 zoning ordinance allowed them to do I 3645 02:33:57,240 --> 02:33:58,840 was expecting to see just one new home 3646 02:33:58,840 --> 02:34:01,120 on the lot but instead there are now 3647 02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:03,279 three uh it's a notable amount of 3648 02:34:03,279 --> 02:34:04,760 development what is actually a pretty 3649 02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:06,840 small lot it's also relatively in 3650 02:34:06,840 --> 02:34:08,640 congruous to the more typical Lots along 3651 02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:11,760 that road it was also a nice tree buffer 3652 02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:15,279 um dividing the plat and now you can see 3653 02:34:15,279 --> 02:34:18,120 the plat in all its Glory 3654 02:34:18,120 --> 02:34:20,760 um that particular Corner does 3655 02:34:20,760 --> 02:34:21,920 accumulate a lot of water during 3656 02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:24,200 rainstorms and snow melts and there was 3657 02:34:24,200 --> 02:34:25,520 actually a part of the original property 3658 02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:27,040 that allowed excess water to run off the 3659 02:34:27,040 --> 02:34:29,840 road accumulate and slowly leech over 3660 02:34:29,840 --> 02:34:32,000 over a relatively short period of time I 3661 02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:34,040 believe that leeching area no longer 3662 02:34:34,040 --> 02:34:36,359 exists another thing I observed in the 3663 02:34:36,359 --> 02:34:37,800 past is that whenever there is any type 3664 02:34:37,800 --> 02:34:39,720 of comparative analysis regarding major 3665 02:34:39,720 --> 02:34:41,760 major Redevelopment or envisioning of 3666 02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:43,319 our town the comparisons are not with 3667 02:34:43,319 --> 02:34:44,840 other can County municipalities but 3668 02:34:44,840 --> 02:34:47,680 instead Central Falls in Pucket I think 3669 02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:49,240 this is highly erroneous and needs to be 3670 02:34:49,240 --> 02:34:51,200 rejected the only thing our town has in 3671 02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:53,200 common with those municipalities is that 3672 02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:54,880 they are mil towns with some element of 3673 02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:56,920 a river running through them plus they 3674 02:34:56,920 --> 02:34:59,479 are already highly urbanized very much 3675 02:34:59,479 --> 02:35:03,200 unlike West War which still is and 3676 02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:05,439 should continue to be referred to as 3677 02:35:05,439 --> 02:35:07,640 suburban I've been observing past Town 3678 02:35:07,640 --> 02:35:09,359 Council meetings on YouTube and I recall 3679 02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:11,520 past citizens regarding flash flooding 3680 02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:13,560 flooding of basements in specific areas 3681 02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:16,760 at times where it hasn't occurred before 3682 02:35:16,760 --> 02:35:20,640 I also recall a sinkhole or two in the 3683 02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:23,040 past one notable one in the Deerfield 3684 02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:25,240 Hills area of w five several years ago 3685 02:35:25,240 --> 02:35:27,120 and another product which is another 3686 02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:29,960 product of w runoff concerns plus more 3687 02:35:29,960 --> 02:35:32,279 recently uh Road collapsed between 3688 02:35:32,279 --> 02:35:34,520 Manchester Street and tyoch Avenue it 3689 02:35:34,520 --> 02:35:37,000 was also evidence of gr settling in the 3690 02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:39,680 Quaker Estates area a few years ago and 3691 02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:41,720 more recently a small pond that forms at 3692 02:35:41,720 --> 02:35:45,240 Jen's consignment on Kisa Avenue after a 3693 02:35:45,240 --> 02:35:48,040 rainstorm been resolved pardon me that's 3694 02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:50,000 been resolved the pond in front of Vin 3695 02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:51,439 they put a drain in there the state when 3696 02:35:51,439 --> 02:35:55,240 they put kis progress has been made uh 3697 02:35:55,240 --> 02:35:56,560 most recently there was a partial 3698 02:35:56,560 --> 02:35:57,840 collapse and reconstruction of the 3699 02:35:57,840 --> 02:35:59,520 bridge over hackinson Brook on Green 3700 02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,120 Bush Road our future situation may be 3701 02:36:02,120 --> 02:36:03,439 further compounded where I recently 3702 02:36:03,439 --> 02:36:05,080 learned of a buildup of silt and other 3703 02:36:05,080 --> 02:36:08,080 debris in the pet river near the malls 3704 02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:10,279 there may be another 100-year flood 3705 02:36:10,279 --> 02:36:12,200 Crisis coming much sooner than 3706 02:36:12,200 --> 02:36:14,240 anticipated I think if we combine these 3707 02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:16,120 events in one common situation we may 3708 02:36:16,120 --> 02:36:17,680 have as town a potentially dangerous 3709 02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:19,840 fiscal nightmare requiring once again 3710 02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:21,560 the Charities of state and federal aid 3711 02:36:21,560 --> 02:36:23,840 to help handle the crisis in the near 3712 02:36:23,840 --> 02:36:26,319 future so I have a couple of ideas to 3713 02:36:26,319 --> 02:36:27,960 share first I would recommend a 3714 02:36:27,960 --> 02:36:31,319 comprehensive in-house review and also 3715 02:36:31,319 --> 02:36:33,040 if this is already in play then I 3716 02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:35,240 apologize for the redundancy uh I would 3717 02:36:35,240 --> 02:36:36,560 recommend a comprehensive in-house 3718 02:36:36,560 --> 02:36:38,399 review of our current zoning ordinances 3719 02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:40,080 including a comparative analysis with 3720 02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:42,560 our neighboring towns in that analysis I 3721 02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:44,120 would recommend more restrictions on 3722 02:36:44,120 --> 02:36:46,200 development and an outright ban on 3723 02:36:46,200 --> 02:36:48,080 subdivisions with Le that are less than 3724 02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:50,359 half an acre I would also recommend an 3725 02:36:50,359 --> 02:36:52,040 expansion of wetlands and easements and 3726 02:36:52,040 --> 02:36:55,439 green buffers from fiscal 2025 onward 3727 02:36:55,439 --> 02:36:57,000 secondly I would also recommend a much 3728 02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:59,200 more severe much more severe impact fees 3729 02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:00,960 on future new development especially 3730 02:37:00,960 --> 02:37:03,279 near streams Brooks and ponds as well as 3731 02:37:03,279 --> 02:37:05,600 wetlands and tax incentives for 3732 02:37:05,600 --> 02:37:07,640 contractors to redevelop existing lots 3733 02:37:07,640 --> 02:37:09,399 that have already been developed as well 3734 02:37:09,399 --> 02:37:12,080 as distressed and abandoned lots thirdly 3735 02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:14,840 a general memoral to all field Municipal 3736 02:37:14,840 --> 02:37:16,600 uh workers including police fire and 3737 02:37:16,600 --> 02:37:18,840 sanitation to report on any and all 3738 02:37:18,840 --> 02:37:21,479 evidences of erosion partial collapse or 3739 02:37:21,479 --> 02:37:24,200 unusual settlement of Roads easements 3740 02:37:24,200 --> 02:37:26,760 embankments and recently undetected or 3741 02:37:26,760 --> 02:37:29,080 report or unreported seepage or or 3742 02:37:29,080 --> 02:37:31,520 runoff on roads and properties so it can 3743 02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:33,040 be addressed and repaired before it 3744 02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:35,120 erupts into something major I think 3745 02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:36,640 these concerns that I'm sharing a 3746 02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:38,279 rational and reasonable and worthy of 3747 02:37:38,279 --> 02:37:40,600 advisement and consideration sooner than 3748 02:37:40,600 --> 02:37:43,279 later if we examine this now and not 3749 02:37:43,279 --> 02:37:45,120 push the concern into the future we may 3750 02:37:45,120 --> 02:37:47,240 save ourselves from another major 3751 02:37:47,240 --> 02:37:49,760 crisis Woods 3752 02:37:49,760 --> 02:37:52,479 are better to look at than houses that's 3753 02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:54,000 thank you would you be willing to share 3754 02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:56,760 that I see all of us writing feverishly 3755 02:37:56,760 --> 02:38:01,000 um perhaps no perhaps I'll email you the 3756 02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:03,600 document Sarah thank you thank you very 3757 02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:14,190 much 3758 02:38:14,200 --> 02:38:19,160 you any other public comment last call 3759 02:38:19,160 --> 02:38:20,560 want 3760 02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:22,120 motion to adjourn 3761 02:38:22,120 --> 02:38:26,920 again all in favor I I opposed