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extend agenda meeting

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soon announcement July 22nd, 2026.

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Transmitting into this packet on July

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22nd, 2026 and filed on the township

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clerk on July 26, 200.

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» Mr. Patel,

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» Mr. Shtel,

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» Here.

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» Mr. Panco,

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» Yes.

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» Mr. Bake,

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» Yes.

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» Miss Bar,

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» Yes.

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» Miss Applegat,

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» Yes.

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» Councilwoman Jvers,

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» Here.

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» Vice Chairman Hoververman

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» Here. Mayor Marte

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and Chairman

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» Carpende

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line up everybody. [laughter]

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Um okay so comments

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uh first up on the agenda meeting

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finished May 20th

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comments changes

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president

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here

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I exchange

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Yeah, the meeting where we took the vote

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on you were here, but you couldn't.

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» So, you're saying you weren't here on

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you we

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» So you hear on May 20th when we did the

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vote, we asked you, okay, vote on on the

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uh on the resolution. You could not vote

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on the resolution because you were not

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listen to the application.

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That's why it's abstained.

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the people that are asking they will not

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hear that vote.

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Okay, good. Thank you. Um, okay.

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Second second by Sue

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are eligible to vote.

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Mr.

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» Mr.

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» Yes.

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» Yes. Thank you. I'm happy you waited on

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the master plan.

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» Okay. Next up is um

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resolution

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6-03

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Princeton Extend Development LLC signed

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bearings with Princeton down the road.

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Jerry just want a very brief summary.

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» Yeah, this was in there was a lot of

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discussion about whether it was

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sufficient, the size of it. Um they came

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back a second time. I guess they I think

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maybe never the PRC revises the uh the

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application and make the sign smaller.

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There are a number of variances of

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stillness they're on page two of the

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resolution that's um the min quantity um

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only one mined

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but

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and it has to be this is 50 ft back.

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This is 43 ft. So one thing to be done

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is the area sign and land sign and the P

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granted

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the application with those references.

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» Right. This is a resolution where we

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kind of help them shape the sides,

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» You know, and they took our opinions

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seriously. Okay.

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» Yeah. Was is there a conclusion to this

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one?

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» No. Um, so I the I think what happened

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was the general parameters were

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established, right? And they're supposed

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to for resolution compliance submit

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something to be reviewed. They haven't

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submitted anything.

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» They haven't submitted.

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» No, no, nothing submit yet for any of

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the resolutions. There's been no revised

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plans yet.

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» Okay. So motion to

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» Again. Sorry. Um over this month I was

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present on June 7th but I abstained

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because when it was initially discussed

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I believe it was in May at some point or

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April or whenever

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» Yeah was it was a May meeting I think

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and I I cheered it

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» Prior but they came back for the board

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simply for this uh sign.

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» So this was June 17th voted on.

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» So I abstained but I was absent. So then

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» On page nine, right?

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» Okay. So on page nine, Jordica said it

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says absent. She was here for one of the

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meetings.

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» Uh for June 17th because they said

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related to the voting on June 17th,

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right?

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» And you were absent that day.

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» No, I was you were here that day.

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» But you were absent for the first

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meeting.

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» You could

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date.

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» Okay. So

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» So this is it should be abstain.

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» But this one says absolute

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» Change.

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» But who's on first?

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» Change to abstain. No big deal. Just so

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you know, you can always abstain.

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you don't want to vote, you can always

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abstain. You don't have to vote.

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» You can always abstain. Right. Isn't

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that right, Jerry?

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» Yeah. There's no reason.

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» There's some people I've been here for

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18 years. Some people like to not have

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their vote known. I know this is very um

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innocuous. This resolution, but there's

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some people that the application very

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contentious and they don't want their

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name associated with a vote, so they

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abstain. So, you're not required to say

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yes or no. You say abstain. I don't want

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to vote.

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I agree it doesn't make much sense on a

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resolution, but if the application was

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like you were dead set against the size

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of this sign on no way I'm voting yes on

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this sign, you know, but I don't want to

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piss off the people that wanted the

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sign. So, I'm not going to vote no. I'm

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just not going to vote. So, you can

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always abstain,

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» But this is that's not the reason.

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» I know there's a real reason why you

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want to see if you weren't at the first

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meeting and that's not a problem. It's

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going to get changed. But I just want to

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make sure that everybody knows that you

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can always abstain. You don't you're not

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required to vote.

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» Okay. [clears throat]

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» So So I just want an understanding on

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this. Uh so uh if the board member was

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not at the first meeting and did not

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hear the record of the first meeting

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prior to the second meeting where the

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board member was present, the board

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member still cannot vote. Is that

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correct?

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» That's correct.

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» Okay. Let me let me let me let me play

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this scenario out one further. Let's say

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let's say the applicant wants to put

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warehouses on a major site that goes for

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five or six meetings. The app the the

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board member can only vote if if they

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were absent for one of the five or six

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meetings that they uh listen to the

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record. So

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it comes down to a multiple meeting

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event. the the the one can only vote if

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one's heard previous record if not

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» Yes. Correct.

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» And then certify that.

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» I just want to make sure I understand

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this.

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» Right. Right. And that Jerry

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done that.

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» Right.

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» Okay. The motion.

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» Right. Right. The motion is still on the

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floor.

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» I I will I will move that motion if you

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didn't hear it.

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» Um

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» So is

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» 2603.

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» Okay. So ED2603 I have the motion to

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approve the uh the resolution by Simon.

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» Second.

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» Second by Alan. Uh please the role

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eligible with the vote.

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» Mr. Shtel.

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» Yes.

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» Mr. Pancco.

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» Yes.

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» Councilwoman Jvers.

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» Yes.

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» Mr. B.

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» Miss Bar. at stadium.

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» Miss Applegat,

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» Yes.

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» Vice Chairman Hobberman,

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» Yes.

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» And Chairman Cart,

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» Yes. Thank you.

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» Okay. Next up on the agenda is

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resolution PB26-04

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BLG Westwind LLC amended final

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subdivision with variances one middle

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road block 911.

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just very brief. Um,

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» Yes, that's a COGO chair resolution. Um,

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and that was actually approved some time

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ago. Um, took a little while getting all

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the input we wanted to get. Um, and it

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just provided that it was primed. uh the

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changes that are necessary was they said

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this was a city if they were proposing a

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subdivision for tax purposes and because

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of the supervision line it necessitate a

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couple of variances so there really

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wasn't much to it at all

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» Right okay I'll entertain a motion to

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approve that well if I have changes or

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amendments or clarifications

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» So okay of motion to approve resolution

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PB264 by Jordan. May do I hear a second?

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Second by honest please call the role

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eligible to vote.

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» I'm not eligible. I was absent

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» You.

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» Yes.

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» Mr. D.

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» Yes.

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» Yes. Thank you.

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PB 26.

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Um, [clears throat] thank you.

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» Next up is PB26-05

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Woodstone Residential LX LLC Major Site

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Plan 2000 Far Road 86 58.02.

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Jerry, please very brief um description.

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» Yeah. Um application. This is part of

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the affordable housing program in the

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town. This was a um 80 um I think it was

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80 units uh with a 25% set aside, I

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think. Uh was it 80 units?

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» No, the 35 units, I believe.

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» Oh, 35 with a 25% set aside.

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» Uh nine affordable units. Um it was what

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there was a commercial site.

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» Yeah. So the the original application a

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subly portion is a child care center

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child day school that's still under

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construction. The northerly portion was

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to be medical office. They subsequently

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then asked to be part of our housing

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plan. They were included. The site was

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reszoned for uh 35 total units including

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26 market and non affordable. So this

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was a right across from Woodstone. has

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approved originally to be an office

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medical office building and now it's

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going to be uh residential.

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» Okay,

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» Great. Um any any um clarifications,

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changes, modifications to resolution?

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Yes.

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» So I was uh present on uh when this was

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approved and uh I will be yes

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it says absent here and

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okay

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you got that cherry for page 16.

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because uh yanked.

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» Yep.

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» Okay. Modification will be made. I'll

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entertain a motion to approve PB26-05.

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» So move, Mr. Chairman.

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» Okay.

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» Second.

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» Okay. U motion by Simon, second by

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Allan. Please roll for those eligible to

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vote.

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» Yes.

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» Mr.

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» Yes. Councilman.

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» Yes. Mr. D.

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» Abstain.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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» Yes.

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» Yes.

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PB26-05

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approved. Thank you. Last but not least,

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um resolution PB26-06

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Clark Plaza signage flavor 217

324
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Clarksville Road, lot 10, lot 14. Any uh

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mod changes?

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to this one. I know who's present and I

327
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will include yes.

328
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» Okay. So, Dorica, it's Lisa is absent.

329
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She should be a yay.

330
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Okay. Anybody anything else? Anybody

331
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changes? Um please uh a quick summary of

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this one.

333
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» Yeah. Um this is this is Village Square

334
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and of course they've had real problems

335
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with the uh with access and they've now

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proposed a um proposed a new sign. Dave,

337
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do you want to describe it real quickly?

338
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» Yeah, of course. Uh so this is the uh

339
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Clarksville Shopping Center or Clark

340
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Plaza. Um they have an older sign up

341
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front right now. It has a height about

342
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um 12 and 1/2 ft and 60 square uh 12 and

343
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a half ft tall, 60 square foot. Um they

344
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have been having a lot of difficulties

345
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uh for a number of reasons. The first

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being that the uh some of the buildings

347
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are set back far from the roadway.

348
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Secondly, probably more important right

349
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now is the closure of the bridge which

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is really cutting off a lot of traffic.

351
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um their individual tenants have been

352
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requesting a new sign to identify the

353
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individual units there. Uh right now

354
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there's just a sign that says plaza. So

355
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they uh asked for permission and

356
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received approval for a new sign to be

357
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16.25 ft high, 12 ft wide and

358
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approximately 126 square ft. Uh it will

359
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have 14 delineated tenant spaces which

360
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will um encapsulate 14 tenants there

361
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with a font size of seven inches. Uh

362
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there's traffic testimony or the traffic

363
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memo that we submitted with that uh sign

364
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would be internally internally

365
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illuminated and um

366
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it's basically in the same setback as

367
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the prior sign and with a couple of

368
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conditions.

369
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» Yeah. One one correction on that. The I

370
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was over there for dinner tonight. It

371
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says the village shopper. Oh, the There

372
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we go. Yes. It's like an older name, I

373
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think. Yeah.

374
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» It's tragedy. What's happened with that

375
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bridge for them?

376
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» Oh, really?

377
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» I haven't been on I haven't been down

378
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there probably since the bridge went

379
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out.

380
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» And the other the other issue there is

381
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those businesses that are between their

382
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» Yeah.

383
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» Strip mall and the bridge. Yeah. They

384
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they're in the process of moving.

385
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» Yeah. You can't even get to them really.

386
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Those those those businesses

387
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» Used to support the

388
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» You mean the office?

389
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» Office?

390
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» Yeah, the offices.

391
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» Wow.

392
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» Oh, yeah. I can imagine there's probably

393
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a bunch.

394
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» So, they have to bring in new new uh

395
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Sounds like a warehouse is going to go

396
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in there.

397
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» World tape.

398
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» Scratch scratch. [laughter] What? What?

399
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» The county go business at the village

400
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» Store

401
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$10,000 each each.

402
00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,319
» Wow.

403
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» That was the county.

404
00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,919
» Yeah. Yeah. Also to France. They g

405
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[clears throat]

406
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» There was supposed to be a temporary fix

407
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that would allow at least one lane

408
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through.

409
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» There is one lane.

410
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» But uh

411
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» Is that ineffective?

412
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» Who knows when that's going to be

413
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» Oh, that isn't even

414
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» Is that even in effect yet?

415
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» No. No. Well, I mean it's it's in the

416
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planning.

417
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» It's

418
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» Uh I'll entertain a motion to approve.

419
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» So So6

420
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approved. Um a motion by Simon, second

421
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by Jica.

422
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» Uh please call the role of those

423
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eligible to vote.

424
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» Mr. Shakal,

425
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» Yes.

426
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» Mr. Panov,

427
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» Yes.

428
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» Councilwoman Jvers,

429
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» Yes.

430
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» Mr. B,

431
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» Miss Barry,

432
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» Yes. Miss Applegate.

433
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» Yes.

434
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» Vice Chairman Hobberman.

435
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» Yes.

436
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» Chairman Cart.

437
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» Yes.

438
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» Uh, resolution PB26

439
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is approved. Thank you.

440
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,520
» Okay. Environmental commission. Anybody?

441
00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:15,080
» Yeah.

442
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,080
» Okay. Please.

443
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So, um I was present at the last

444
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meeting, but uh I think in June,

445
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um I have a sen.

446
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So, there's there's a $1,500 hand check

447
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grant and there's discussion about

448
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putting the following model and some

449
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science related to that investments at

450
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community park.

451
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,160
um a representative came in from Duke

452
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Farms and talked about preservation of

453
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fireplace to facilitate wildlife.

454
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Uh just something to remind the law the

455
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planning rules you can then develop

456
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applications that new developers are not

457
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blocking wildlife access to their

458
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habitat.

459
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West Township has partnered with

460
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sustainable Jersey and PSG to offer free

461
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home energy assessments to residents.

462
00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:11,600
Residents can receive a free home energy

463
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assessment to understand their home's

464
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energy use and discount ways to reduce

465
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waste.

466
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Uh plus it looks like energy saving

467
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products and store with low cost

468
00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:24,640
some use on the program.

469
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» I'm sorry can I interrupt? How do you

470
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,360
how do you apply for the home

471
00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:28,880
assessment?

472
00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:31,039
» I believe it's on the website.

473
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:34,000
» On the website okay

474
00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:36,559
» Send email time to time. I got the email

475
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,160
from PNG that they can have US.

476
00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:39,760
» I I went through that a couple years

477
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back. It it was very uh

478
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» I know somebody that had it done and I

479
00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:45,760
thought well they live in East Windsor

480
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:47,840
so I was thinking that maybe

481
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» I don't know I have to I I don't

482
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,320
remember getting an email. Okay, thank

483
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:56,080
you. I'm sorry.

484
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,760
Um yeah, so some of the um u gadgets

485
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,679
that they, you know, they might be

486
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willing to install or one of the

487
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recommended um smart thermostats, LED

488
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,000
light bulbs, faucet heaters, efficient

489
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flow, shower heads. They're obviously

490
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not installing heat, but shower head

491
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adapters, advanced power strips, water

492
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heater byation.

493
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» Okay, that's nice.

494
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» Thank you.

495
00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:26,400
Okay.

496
00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:29,200
Okay. Next up,

497
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:32,000
work session on revision to RP1 district

498
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ordinance amendment to AV redevelopment

499
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plan pursuant to settlement agreement

500
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between township and AB.

501
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» Okay.

502
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Anyone?

503
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» No.

504
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» No.

505
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» Work session.

506
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» Got it.

507
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:50,320
» Okay. I have a I have a question before

508
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,559
we start on this. A couple questions

509
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,000
actually that you can maybe Who's gonna

510
00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:55,919
start?

511
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,080
» Um David.

512
00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:59,760
» Yeah, I can start. Well, yeah. Um

513
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,520
» Let let me go to my questions. Couple

514
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,520
things. We don't we don't have the

515
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,960
reference docs, you know, the original,

516
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:09,120
you know, the docs from the um you know,

517
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:13,760
with the site plans and all that stuff.

518
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:14,640
So, it's hard for you know, to remember

519
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,760
what I looked at

520
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» With location.

521
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:22,559
» Yep. location and what we agreed upon.

522
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That's number one. Number two, um, and I

523
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:28,080
guess we'll get to it. Like, did Chief

524
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,960
Lynch opine on anything with the changes

525
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,559
to the height of the buildings? And

526
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,760
maybe I I you know, maybe I'm jumping

527
00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:35,840
the gun here.

528
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,520
» That's good question.

529
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,080
» Well, it is. Yeah.

530
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:44,240
» Yeah. I was I was curious. I don't know

531
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:47,440
how how how tall is it story? Like it

532
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:50,480
says 85 feet, six stories. To me, I

533
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,960
always thought a story was 20 feet.

534
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,159
» No. No. Um

535
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,000
the tip of the story depends on what

536
00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:57,600
type of building it is, but generally on

537
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a ground floor, you see a story height

538
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:04,240
of maybe 12 feet or so and 10. But it

539
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,840
depends on what type of building is. So

540
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,760
there's something say for example

541
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:11,360
special needs housing or senior living

542
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:13,120
housing. If there is some sort of

543
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medical component involved in that, you

544
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,320
will see a higher floor to ceiling

545
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height for that type of equipment.

546
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,240
» I guess I'm, you know, I'm used to

547
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,760
Manhattan, so I think those stories are

548
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,240
20 feet probably because they have

549
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,960
equipment in there, high ceilings and

550
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,120
Okay, so that's why I wasn't I was

551
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,720
saying 85 ft, six stories seems a little

552
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:34,480
low.

553
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:36,559
» I know. So this is um so to refresh

554
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,600
everybody about where this is, right?

555
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,159
» I'm gonna say one thing before you

556
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,240
start. Sure.

557
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:44,720
» Uh to add to Michael's uh intro, um as

558
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,440
we go through this this process, uh I

559
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,600
really want to know the why of all the

560
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,000
changes as we go through things instead

561
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,640
of just the nitpicky this is the change.

562
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,000
» Uh the short answer is and I don't hate

563
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,760
to say it like this, but short answer is

564
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,640
because we have to um as part of a

565
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,640
settlement agreement.

566
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,480
» We have to

567
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,240
be the short answer. I can give you some

568
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,799
of the background but the short answer

569
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,039
is

570
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:09,440
» An agreement with Avon

571
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:12,480
» Uh with Avan. So

572
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:15,919
» When when we submitted the house fair

573
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:18,720
share plan it was approved by Judge Ali

574
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:21,840
but there was one and the program member

575
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,720
who was Judge Jacobson with one caveat.

576
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,039
Um Avalon at this point had objected to

577
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,600
the plan because they were saying that

578
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:31,200
the uh

579
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,799
assisted living facility which is

580
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,480
immediately adjacent to the train

581
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:38,000
station um and it was over 200 units as

582
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,200
I recall etc.

583
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,880
» It was 155

584
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,840
» Originally 135

585
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,919
» Originally 135.

586
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,320
» Okay. Right. But it was like a 20% set

587
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:48,960
aside and Avalon came and say you know

588
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,799
what we had a partner they bowed out. We

589
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,280
we can't do it. We just can't do it

590
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:55,039
anymore. So, we're we're objecting. We

591
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,240
wound up settling with them to get it

592
00:23:55,039 --> 00:24:00,720
finished uh of they can build up to 170

593
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,760
units, 10% Medicaid beds, which we could

594
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:06,720
which are affordable housing beds. Um

595
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,240
and we we would have a an amendment to

596
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,279
the redevelopment plan, which we've

597
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,200
agreed to with them, and an ordinance

598
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:15,440
implementing the changes to the zoning.

599
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,760
We didn't think at my office's end that

600
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,279
we actually needed an amendment to the

601
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,520
zoning ordinance because we thought the

602
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:22,880
redevelopment plan was sufficient, but

603
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,279
they wanted to do it. That's what's

604
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:28,320
before you. They basically prepared

605
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:30,080
that, but we signed off on it. Um, and

606
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,799
what what's going to happen, this is now

607
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,640
going to go uh basically the council,

608
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:38,080
they have a meeting on I think the 8

609
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:41,760
introduction on the 18th and then uh a

610
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:44,400
second reading in September. Um if this

611
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,320
is approved then we're finished with

612
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,320
that but they have to come back in for

613
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,760
site plan review right then. So

614
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,120
» Yes don't they have to come before the

615
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,799
board to um lay out their plans after

616
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,679
they need site plan they they'll need

617
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:56,400
site plan approval.

618
00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:57,760
» Good.

619
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,000
» So I just wanted to give some background

620
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,039
here.

621
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,320
» Yeah and that's 100% right. Um just to

622
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:05,760
Mr. German answer your question.

623
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,440
» Um isn't it this is the W squ.

624
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,039
» Yep. this W square. So this right next

625
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,640
to the Z that lot right next to the

626
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,600
train station. If you guys remember that

627
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,880
you have

628
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,000
» And I'm going to I'm going to this is

629
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,360
going to be correct for the record but

630
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,760
I'm going to use my hands to demonstrate

631
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,279
everything.

632
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,559
» There's lot there's open lot there's

633
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:19,760
lots there where I guess they're going

634
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,200
to put some of this stuff.

635
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,799
» Yeah. So, if you know where the train

636
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,720
station is, then you have kind of that

637
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,480
uh plaza area with the two mixeduse

638
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,720
buildings on either side

639
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,880
» Originally. And then right ahead there's

640
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,600
that uh condo building supposed to be a

641
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,760
hotel.

642
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,400
» To the left of that,

643
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,840
» The township approved a

644
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,240
uh senior living building that 35.

645
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,799
» It's between the parking garage and Vond

646
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,080
drive extended. That is the empty site.

647
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,679
» It's so crowded there.

648
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,840
» Yeah. I don't know how they're going to

649
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:51,840
fit this that stuff in to be honest with

650
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,159
you. I when every so often like I'll

651
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,919
drive in to see the progress they made

652
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:57,679
and it is packed in there.

653
00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:59,120
» Yeah, it does it. It is. Yeah. I mean

654
00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:00,720
that was the whole point in a high

655
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,919
higher density mixeduse area.

656
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,600
Unfortunately, when you get as much

657
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,880
commercial as we originally had uh

658
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,480
envisioned in that area,

659
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,440
» We got a day some

660
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400
» We got a day.

661
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,240
» Yes.

662
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,400
» But but we didn't we had initially

663
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,120
initially conceived this as the new

664
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,480
downtown for this. kept getting scaled

665
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,240
back and scaled back. Let's

666
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,000
» What about the the property on the other

667
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,200
side of the train tracks? What's I'm

668
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,159
sorry I'm digressing here.

669
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,880
» No, which which property?

670
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:23,600
» The uh

671
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,600
» Slumber.

672
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,960
» Slumber property. That thing's been

673
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,200
vacant forever.

674
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,360
» Uh we looked into that. It's still very

675
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,760
contaminated.

676
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,400
» Okay.

677
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,640
» Now, just and this is a very technical

678
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,559
term, very contaminated still.

679
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:42,960
» Oh. So, don't aren't they responsible

680
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:45,039
cleaning it up? They are, but the

681
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,080
» Just

682
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:50,480
to be clear, the um

683
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,080
the special special needs housing is a

684
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,760
separate building.

685
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,279
» No, no, it's my understanding that this

686
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:59,039
would all be something that would

687
00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:00,640
replace that uh previously approved 135

688
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:03,600
unit building. That's my understanding.

689
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,200
So that new building would be some sort

690
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,279
of senior living building that would

691
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:11,279
have some sort of combination of whether

692
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:13,600
it's age restricted um nursing home,

693
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,720
special needs, assisted living

694
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:20,400
» All would be in that building.

695
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:23,360
» The the basic idea was um now with 170

696
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,600
10% this is fewer than we had planned on

697
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:29,279
when when we did our compliance plan.

698
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:33,520
So, we worked out a um an arrangement

699
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:36,320
with with uh Avalon where whatever fee

700
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,880
that has to be paid by them for um for

701
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:43,120
the the affordable housing improvements,

702
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:46,320
they would now put put in place five

703
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:48,400
special needs uh beds. And those would

704
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,279
those would be basically group homes

705
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,080
where they would shift existing market

706
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:57,840
units in their development both both

707
00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:00,000
east and west to to a couple of two or

708
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,600
three um

709
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,440
um group homes in uh w with total of

710
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,279
five beds. So we would pick up five more

711
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,320
beds and there'd really be no increase

712
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:12,720
in the number of units or the density.

713
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,960
So the group homes would basically have

714
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,279
just the beds in there for special needs

715
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,480
and whatever else goes along with that.

716
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,120
» Exactly. And you would get a credit for

717
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,360
that.

718
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,640
» They'd have their own living facility,

719
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,720
kitchen, somebody.

720
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,480
» Yeah. Right. Exactly.

721
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,320
» How many of How many of those are there?

722
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,200
» They would the the contemplation is

723
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,360
five.

724
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,480
» Five. Okay.

725
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,480
» Five is okay.

726
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,480
» Yeah.

727
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,600
» Would those count to the next round? the

728
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,120
round four of

729
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,520
» No, this is actually counting for round

730
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,360
three.

731
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,720
» They would count for round three.

732
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080
» They allocated for round three. They

733
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,440
just haven't been yet.

734
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,840
» Exactly.

735
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,000
» And and the way we came up with five is

736
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,080
when you added all the credits we

737
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,399
thought we could take for where we were

738
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,399
with round three developments and that's

739
00:28:56,399 --> 00:29:01,520
basically pretty much everything.

740
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:04,320
Although we have um

741
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Frank Petrino on behalf of Tri-State and

742
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,399
WWM claiming, you know, a lot of all a

743
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,039
lot of these things are never going to

744
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:12,799
be built, etc., etc., but if we ever get

745
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,279
to a hearing, we're going to show that

746
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,279
in fact they're proceeding. Um but when

747
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:20,640
you added the numbers now with the

748
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:23,600
reduction of 10% of the 170, we were

749
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,960
five short of a required number. That's

750
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:30,399
how we came up with a five. Yeah.

751
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,919
» Yeah. It's a lot of it's, you know, I I

752
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:34,480
you guys all like the affordable housing

753
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:36,320
process. A lot of it is sometimes more

754
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,799
mathematics than it is planning.

755
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,360
» Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay.

756
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,960
» Uh but this is essentially and Jerry hit

757
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,080
the nail on my head too. This is step I

758
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,600
want to say step one because that was

759
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,520
probably the second but this is step

760
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
three in a 20step process. So

761
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,600
» Exactly

762
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,720
» They will have to file an amended site

763
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,480
plan application. they will have to

764
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,919
appear in front of you and every

765
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,039
question that you guys might have in

766
00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:58,559
terms of safety, in terms of

767
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,120
circulation, parking, everything like

768
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:03,039
that.

769
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:05,919
» So, so the Chief Lynch memo would take

770
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:09,480
place during their application process.

771
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:09,480
» Okay, that makes sense.

772
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,919
» And I believe, yeah, probably a minute

773
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:15,279
site plan.

774
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:17,600
» Yeah, because they already have a site

775
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,039
plan approval for the 135 with a 20% set

776
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,640
aside.

777
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:24,080
Now, are we okay with six stories in

778
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,399
some places?

779
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,600
» Uh, I believe we only plan for six

780
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:29,919
stories in some other affordable

781
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,279
» As long as it's no big long larger than

782
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:32,640
85 ft tall.

783
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,960
» Yeah.

784
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:38,159
» Yeah. So, for example, the R5E district,

785
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,840
which is um the former BMS site, we're

786
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:45,760
allowing a height of up to Oh, no, I

787
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,440
just Sorry.

788
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,240
I had that lined up and I just lost it

789
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,600
for you guys. Sorry. Oh, six stories and

790
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,440
70 ft there. So,

791
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,760
» Six stories, 70 ft.

792
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,399
» Yeah.

793
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,159
» Why is this one 85?

794
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:59,279
» Uh, that was something that was

795
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,799
discussed with them. I think just to

796
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,720
allow for that flexibility and again

797
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:05,840
understanding that if there is special

798
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:08,000
needs or some sort of nursing home or

799
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,640
assisted living, it is a larger door to

800
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,600
ceiling height.

801
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,520
» Okay.

802
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,679
» Uh because again, you need to fit that

803
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,640
equipment in

804
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:17,520
that

805
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,840
» Statues. No, it's it's architectural.

806
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,679
Yeah. Uh when we were we've done a lot

807
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,919
of work with like certain hospitals for

808
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:26,000
example. Um so we had to do a lot of

809
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:27,520
like Florida ceiling height studies and

810
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,320
because of the medical equipment you

811
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:34,480
will see it for a to ceiling height then

812
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:36,240
it hit like family resident.

813
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,440
» Yes.

814
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,760
» Yeah. We uh you know uh Valley Hospital

815
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,600
in Ridgewood they open.

816
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,519
» Yeah. We represent Valley Hospital. How

817
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,440
how tall is the height of the parking

818
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,039
garage?

819
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,640
» Pretty big.

820
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,679
» The one that's right next to the site,

821
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,200
right next to the other

822
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:55,200
» The one off of V.

823
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,799
» How tall is that? That's pretty big.

824
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,600
» I can see what the allowable height is

825
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,279
there. I forget what the

826
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,360
height was. But I believe we actually

827
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,480
did an increase. I think that goes back

828
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,760
to another zoning amendment for this

829
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,039
site where we increase the allowable

830
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,640
height there.

831
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,880
» Yeah,

832
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,919
» I believe they had another four. We give

833
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,919
people

834
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:16,720
» I think we increase that that was when

835
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:21,039
they the idea was a hotel right

836
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,080
» Um I I I forget the patient there

837
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,159
is

838
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,679
» You remember

839
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:28,640
it's pretty massive you think they got

840
00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:33,039
to fill that up

841
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:35,360
» Uh based on their projections

842
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:39,960
» Okay

843
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,960
» So people could walk around and shop

844
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Yeah. [clears throat]

845
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:48,480
» Okay. Well, parking free in the Wallace

846
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,320
road block on weekend. So,

847
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,519
» Um the parking structures, we did do an

848
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,360
amendment to the ordinance. They are

849
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:56,799
allowed to be up to six levels.

850
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,080
» Okay.

851
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:02,000
» So, here's a question. On the third

852
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:04,320
page, um at the end of permitted uses

853
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,760
before parenthetical number three,

854
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,360
there's pet daycare facilities.

855
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,279
» Yeah, I know. Is there a requirement for

856
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
exterior space for a pet daycare

857
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,039
facility?

858
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,440
» No,

859
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,039
» Not at all.

860
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,919
» Don't forget most most of this is the

861
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,120
existing RPA.

862
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:19,919
» Yeah, most of that is existing. So, that

863
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,600
was another amendment that we did for

864
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:22,960
» I I remember I think it was a planning

865
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,159
board application when we did the

866
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,519
veterinary place next to the Starbucks.

867
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:29,279
» Yeah.

868
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:31,840
» Yeah. Near Lowe's, you know, that had

869
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:34,159
exterior space for the facility

870
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,720
» The because it was a pet related

871
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:38,640
facility. though and would that would

872
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,880
the requirements for a pet daycare

873
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,240
facility be elsewhere in the zoning code

874
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,960
for that use?

875
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,039
» You mean the standards?

876
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,679
» I mean it's listed as a permitted use

877
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,760
but that yeah that's what we had

878
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:52,720
exterior space for the pets.

879
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,080
» All right. So um we did adopt an an

880
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,159
amendment to the ordinance for pet

881
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,320
daycare facilities in the RP1 district

882
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,880
which is specific to the RP1 district.

883
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,039
» Right.

884
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,600
» It has um separate standards that are

885
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:05,840
unique for that zone. Um buildings and

886
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,320
or tennis spaces must be soundproofed to

887
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,599
a certain uh vessel bullet rating. All

888
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,960
buildings shall be of adequate

889
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,800
construction maintain a good repair and

890
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,200
secured in order to protect animals from

891
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,800
injury or escape. Proper and ample

892
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,879
ventilation of all animal areas and

893
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,760
building shall be demonstrated to the

894
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:23,520
satisfaction with uh board. Um all

895
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,679
animals housed in the facility shall be

896
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,280
kept within the confines of a building

897
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,320
between the hours of 9:00 p.m. and 8:00

898
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,879
a.m.

899
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,200
» Provisions shall be made for the

900
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:34,480
removal. page. Which page?

901
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,240
» Oh, it's on the top page.

902
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,240
» The pages the pages that are not

903
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,240
numbered.

904
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,919
» And it was actually

905
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,599
» Thank you. Thank you for no outdoor

906
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,800
facilities were to be permitted. So,

907
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,040
you're actually not allowed to have an

908
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,560
outdoor facility for

909
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,000
» Me. It was something from that.

910
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,440
» This answers my question. Thank you.

911
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,000
» Yeah, I think it was something from that

912
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,000
one. Paul

913
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,760
probably due to the due

914
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,760
» Yeah. Right.

915
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,800
» Um I don't recall I don't think they

916
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,800
ever follow a cipher application for

917
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,800
pandemic.

918
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,320
» Anybody else?

919
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,440
» The other other change I'll point out um

920
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,800
and you might ask why it seems silly. Uh

921
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:33,200
senior housing um we reduce the parking

922
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000
requirement from 7 to 0.5.

923
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,480
» Um

924
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,400
» Oh yeah,

925
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,920
» That lines up more with um

926
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,599
residential site movement standards for

927
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,760
assisted living which is actually 0.5

928
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:46,160
parking spaces per unit.

929
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,920
» I I could I mean it makes sense for

930
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:52,960
lower parking because if there's seniors

931
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,800
there they could be single, right?

932
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,520
because one spouse unfortunately passed

933
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,920
away or and a lot of them don't drive

934
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,880
anymore.

935
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,880
» Right.

936
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,320
» Right.

937
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,839
» So that kind of makes sense

938
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,400
» Which is good that it's near a transit

939
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:04,640
facility.

940
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,599
» Yeah.

941
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,640
» Right.

942
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,800
That's

943
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,680
» They had proposed at one point that they

944
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,400
would be willing willing to do a project

945
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,640
with um more more than 10% set aside but

946
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,720
it wouldn't be non-agger restricted

947
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,400
» And the thinking at the in the side of

948
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,160
the township was keep it as age

949
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,720
restricted which has a lot of

950
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,599
implications financially and yes schools

951
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,440
and in terms of site design too. on a I

952
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:32,960
guess slightly related note. I saw that

953
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,560
uh I think West Windsor Plainsboro high

954
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,560
schools have the highest SAP scores or

955
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,359
some of the highest SAP scores in the

956
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,280
» Highest what?

957
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:39,680
» Highest SAT schools in the state.

958
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,280
» Really?

959
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
» I think that the the schools were number

960
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,680
two and number three.

961
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:49,440
» Very number one was

962
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,119
» Our two high schools.

963
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,720
» Average SAT score that is

964
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,720
» I believe it was I think it was SAT.

965
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,079
» It was it was an NJC article. Yeah, like

966
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,599
yesterday heard David work.

967
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:00,240
» Oh, I got to check it out. I saw it.

968
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:02,880
» Well, Odysius is uh Matt Damon who went

969
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,280
to West Plainsboro, Ohio.

970
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,160
» Yeah,

971
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,119
» Matt Damon.

972
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,200
» Yeah.

973
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,599
» No, Matt. No, you're thinking of Ethan

974
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,320
Hawk.

975
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:08,720
» Ethan Hawk.

976
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,920
» Oh, okay.

977
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,839
» Matt Damon's from Massachusett.

978
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,200
» Ethan Hawk went to the Hunt School.

979
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:15,040
» I thought Matt Damon was a New York.

980
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,200
» Ethan Hawk is a Hunts school graduate.

981
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,560
» And Matt Damon grew up with Ben Affleck

982
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,640
in Massachusetts in Boston.

983
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,400
» Yeah. New York. No.

984
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,880
» Everything what I've been telling

985
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,680
everybody. They're both [laughter]

986
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,960
» He's in Hawk.

987
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,400
» They've been humoring you, J.

988
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,119
» He's in Hawk went to school here and he

989
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,359
went to Hunt.

990
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,839
» Okay.

991
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:33,839
» And And he didn't give any money to Hunt

992
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:34,640
as an alone.

993
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:35,920
» Just so you know.

994
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,160
» You would know. You would know.

995
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,520
» I would know. So So where are we in the

996
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,119
review of this? Uh this

997
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,520
» We're still reviewing Matt Damon and

998
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:45,920
Ben. [laughter]

999
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,200
» Uh as from one Greek tragedy to the

1000
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,760
next. Um

1001
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,520
» So St. P

1002
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:55,760
no

1003
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,680
St. page further down um on both does it

1004
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,720
mean that

1005
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:04,880
isn't that

1006
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:07,880
is there a regulation you know or I see

1007
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,880
requirements

1008
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,760
» No that so that is a um that's actually

1009
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:18,000
an existing regulation and

1010
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:20,160
um it does make sense so the way we

1011
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,040
crafted or the way this redevelopment

1012
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,880
ordinance was originally drafted was

1013
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,480
come up with those types of standards

1014
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,400
based upon the totality of the

1015
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,839
redevelopment area. Because sometimes

1016
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,320
what happens is in these larger

1017
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:33,680
redevelopment areas where you have

1018
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,280
different entities that are operating,

1019
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,440
right? You might have one developer or

1020
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,440
one operator for one housing unit,

1021
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,720
another for another type, then the

1022
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,800
commercial, they'll get chopped up into

1023
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:46,400
different lots just for financing

1024
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,880
purposes. Much like that happened with

1025
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,119
the fog of the show. They're not

1026
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,000
supposed to be operating independently

1027
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:55,839
from one another. So sometimes when

1028
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,560
ordinances are a little bit too strict

1029
00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:01,119
in that, they'll apply say F coverage

1030
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,680
setback requirements to those individual

1031
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,280
lots when really they're not supposed to

1032
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,640
be functioning individually. They're

1033
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,160
supposed to be connected. So sometimes

1034
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:12,000
you'll see those FS spike up because the

1035
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,720
lot line completely encompasses the

1036
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,119
building, right? Or they won't meet the

1037
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:19,119
setback much like the photo to show. So,

1038
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,640
when it comes to the individual lots,

1039
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:23,599
how they're being arranged for financing

1040
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,000
purposes, it doesn't make as much sense

1041
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,480
to apply individual

1042
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,800
um bulk standards to those chopped up

1043
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,560
lots as it does to the entirety of the

1044
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,760
district because you're making the

1045
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,079
assumption that everything is going to

1046
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,520
operate as one cohesive development even

1047
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:40,400
if they have different operators for

1048
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,599
different lots.

1049
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:46,480
I'm sure. So are you saying that it

1050
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:49,520
doesn't make sense to describe how

1051
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,000
descriptive they are or see?

1052
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,839
» Oh no no no we we No no no no if it's

1053
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,720
like do so for example if you look on

1054
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,320
» Just for

1055
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,760
» Just for the individual lot for the

1056
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,440
district we have for the overall

1057
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,599
district we have an improvement coverage

1058
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,119
of 95%. for example, that's for the

1059
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:07,280
entirety of the district. But when you

1060
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:09,200
chop it off into individual lots, you

1061
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,280
might have one lot that says surrounding

1062
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,040
a building just for financing purposes,

1063
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,200
» That'll have a 100% coverage, but then

1064
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,160
maybe the plaza has 20% coverage.

1065
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,760
Really, it's the totality we care about.

1066
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,760
» I I have a question regarding um 7D

1067
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,680
parking struct on there's no I don't

1068
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,440
know the page number.

1069
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,440
» Parking structures attached to buildings

1070
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,119
or principal permitted uses may be up to

1071
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,880
six levels of 70 ft.

1072
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,640
» Yes. Yes. Now, you're talking about a

1073
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,920
standalone parking structure like a

1074
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,839
garage, that big garage. Because to me,

1075
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,760
when I read that at first, I'm thinking

1076
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:44,320
like you have a townhouse and next to

1077
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,920
the townhouse is a sixtory,

1078
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,280
you know, you have apartments and then

1079
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,800
next to a six stories and garage can be

1080
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,800
I don't know how you get the car up to

1081
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,560
the sixth story, but but you know what

1082
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,079
I'm saying? It needs maybe a little bit

1083
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,599
more specific there.

1084
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,160
» Well, those were already built.

1085
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,240
» Okay.

1086
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,520
» Yeah. The only things that are getting

1087
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,440
changed in this ordinance are in red. So

1088
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,880
that that parking structure attached to

1089
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,560
the building that's already

1090
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,119
» That that's that big massive parking

1091
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,839
structure. Okay.

1092
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,880
» Building E5 and E6.

1093
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:12,480
» Okay.

1094
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,000
» A shame at least know those numbers at

1095
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,720
this point.

1096
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,960
» Yeah.

1097
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,960
» That's fine.

1098
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,240
» Anything else in here we need to

1099
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,480
exchanges?

1100
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,680
Yeah, that's all we that's all we focus

1101
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,319
up.

1102
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,319
» What's that?

1103
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:35,280
» Yeah. Number two, the senior housing.

1104
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:36,480
» Yeah, that's where the that's where the

1105
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,040
p the changes are.

1106
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,160
» Yeah. You know,

1107
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,119
» And again, we're keeping the number of

1108
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,880
family units the same. It's just senior

1109
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:46,640
housing, which is kind of an

1110
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,160
all-encompassing term for um age

1111
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,680
restricted

1112
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,359
needs, nursing home.

1113
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,200
» What was it before? It says in addition

1114
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:56,319
to the 800 family dwelling units, the

1115
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,880
redeveloper may

1116
00:41:56,319 --> 00:42:01,280
um construct up to additional 170 senior

1117
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,319
housing units. Didn't we have allocated

1118
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,880
some senior housing prior to to this

1119
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:06,880
change?

1120
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,280
» That was originally going to be the 135

1121
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,280
number.

1122
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,880
» Okay. We need we need to make we need to

1123
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,680
have that kind of language in there that

1124
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,560
says that it was increased from 135 to

1125
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,720
the 170 as opposed to it looks like it

1126
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:23,160
wasn't any uh proposed and all of a

1127
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:23,160
sudden we'll put in 170 additional

1128
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:30,359
am reading it incorrectly

1129
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:30,359
» Probably

1130
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,319
» Yeah normally you wouldn't put that in

1131
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:39,200
an ordinance that like more of like a

1132
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:39,920
wear ass Okay. Okay. Got it. Yeah. No,

1133
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,240
that's

1134
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,240
» That makes sense.

1135
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:48,880
In addition to the up to 800 family

1136
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:51,440
dwelling units. That sounds weird.

1137
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,720
» In addition to the up to 800.

1138
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,880
» Yeah.

1139
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,960
» Yeah. The wording doesn't sound right.

1140
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,880
Get rid of

1141
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,359
» I agree with

1142
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,839
» Oh, yes. In addition to the up to

1143
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:06,240
» So maybe in addition to the maximum up.

1144
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:08,160
What I would I I think there's I think

1145
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,920
there's a number of language

1146
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,319
improvements that could be made. This

1147
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:16,240
was actually drafted by Avalon Bay and

1148
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:17,839
just for for simplicity of of process I

1149
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,520
would just leave it the way it is. It's

1150
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:21,680
going to be before council. Well, it's

1151
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,599
going to be before council and first

1152
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,520
reading in uh in August second reading

1153
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,800
September and if we want to make changes

1154
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,520
then that would be that would be a place

1155
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,160
to make them.

1156
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,520
» Okay. Um, but something that I agree

1157
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,280
with you, Jerry, but something like

1158
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,599
stands out like this, it just really

1159
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,839
makes no sense. We should fix that. But

1160
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,760
and then I agree with Jerry that when it

1161
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:44,640
goes to council, then that's when the

1162
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,640
final verbiage takes place.

1163
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,960
» You express that to them.

1164
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,880
» Well, we're going to get um there'll be

1165
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,440
another session to to

1166
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,160
» For us

1167
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,960
» For us to um nail down the final

1168
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,000
verbiage.

1169
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,920
» Yeah, it's going to come back to us

1170
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,400
after first reading. It'll come back to

1171
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,680
us.

1172
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,440
» Okay.

1173
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Well, we should change we should change

1174
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,040
this language because it's it's not even

1175
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,040
clear.

1176
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,440
» So, let's let's change that. And then

1177
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,160
again, you know, let's not nitpick now

1178
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,400
because the final uh version um will

1179
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,839
come back to us

1180
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,400
» Where that's I agree with you

1181
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:21,920
» One senior traveling unit that whole

1182
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:25,920
thing can be moved up to

1183
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:29,119
another sentence already. I uh that will

1184
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,280
be done at the later stage but I this

1185
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,000
addition to the up to 800 needs to be

1186
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,520
fixed.

1187
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,760
» Just make it maximum

1188
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,920
» I would say um

1189
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,240
» A maximum of

1190
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,040
» The maximum of

1191
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,880
units. Yeah, something like that.

1192
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,920
» Yeah.

1193
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,000
And then you know when when we re when

1194
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,079
we revisit this and we come up with the

1195
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,400
final version that's going to

1196
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,119
» Then we need to wait till

1197
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,640
» Until it's all cleaned up and then

1198
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,640
» Right when when does this come back to

1199
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,079
us Jerry

1200
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,880
» Those changes are significant

1201
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:03,760
» In September

1202
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,520
» We go back

1203
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,119
» No then we'll change we'll change the

1204
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,040
verbiage we'll change the words we don't

1205
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:12,160
like this sentence we'll remove it we'll

1206
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,359
move it up we'll move some down

1207
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,280
Okay.

1208
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:17,520
» Right. We're gonna nitpick now and then

1209
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,319
they come up with that version.

1210
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,839
» It may not it may need to be totally

1211
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:23,839
redone anyway.

1212
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,960
» So, let's all do it all at one time.

1213
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:26,240
» Yeah. And I think um

1214
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,880
» Am I understand this correct?

1215
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:30,960
» Yeah, I I agree.

1216
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,240
» It's usually something like this. It's

1217
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,440
it's

1218
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:38,079
» So council in a separate work session

1219
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,359
and and asking all sorts of questions

1220
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:41,200
and stuff.

1221
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:44,079
that they introduced. Then we got 45

1222
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:47,440
days to get it back to the plans board

1223
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:49,520
» And then you have to

1224
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,760
» So can can we have another working

1225
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,800
session that gets closer to a final

1226
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:58,000
ordinance uh ordinance for council?

1227
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,480
» We can this this is um going to go to be

1228
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,200
introduced by by council on the 11th. So

1229
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,599
that's a very short time period.

1230
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,319
» The next

1231
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:10,160
» Oh the 18th I'm sorry the 18th. No, it's

1232
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:14,359
the 23rd, right?

1233
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,359
» August 11th

1234
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,560
» Through the 25th.

1235
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,839
» Okay.

1236
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,839
» Yeah. And also

1237
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:22,839
» Yeah.

1238
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,720
» Yes. 24th is the next

1239
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,720
» And also I noticed,

1240
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:32,480
» Right?

1241
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:34,640
» Yeah. And and Jerry, I just realized

1242
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,200
too. Um,

1243
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,079
so I I we had worked on a separate

1244
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:43,520
draft. Uh, this was from Malan. I I

1245
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:48,440
think the numbers are wrong, too. Um,

1246
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,440
» Because this would allow for

1247
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
» Yeah. Which I thought it was going to be

1248
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:52,880
9.

1249
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,800
» Yeah. 903 all together.

1250
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,720
» 903. No, 970.

1251
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,599
» No, I know. I don't think it's Yeah, I I

1252
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:02,319
don't think it's supposed to be that

1253
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:04,000
many. It's 800 plus 170.

1254
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:06,800
» So then we

1255
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,520
» Oh, they slipped with the numbers.

1256
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,480
» So that needs to be fixed 100 that needs

1257
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:16,400
to be fixed like right away

1258
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:19,359
» Because if originally

1259
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,160
» So then there's not 800 right now

1260
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:26,240
because if you say it was 135, now it's

1261
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:28,880
170. Didn't they already build 800 there

1262
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:33,280
» Or is it seven totals?

1263
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,960
» So, um they were approved for eight

1264
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,560
68 I thought.

1265
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,400
» That sounds familiar

1266
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,319
» Because they originally had something.

1267
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,200
» They originally allowed 800 units as of

1268
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:44,480
right and then if a hotel was not

1269
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,319
constructed, they were allowed an

1270
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,119
additional 68 units, right? So, that

1271
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:53,520
would be 868 total units they were

1272
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:57,200
approved for. Oh. of which 135 were

1273
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:59,760
senior, right? So 16 or 868 minus 135 is

1274
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:06,000
733.

1275
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:08,640
» And then if you add now 170, that's 903.

1276
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,520
» Okay, now that now that makes sense.

1277
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,599
» Yeah. So I I

1278
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,720
» But the way this is written, looks like

1279
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:17,680
they're going to put a they're going to

1280
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,079
squeeze in another 170 senior housing

1281
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,040
units.

1282
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,720
» Yeah. I don't know if that was a

1283
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,839
conversation after the fact, but when I

1284
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:24,640
had first looked at this,

1285
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:27,119
» No, this language, no, this language

1286
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:30,400
needs to be fixed because

1287
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:33,440
you're getting from 9003 there's 970

1288
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:36,680
there's an additional 67 units that was

1289
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,680
not approved.

1290
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,640
» So I don't this language needs to be

1291
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:48,640
cleaned up and fixed

1292
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:51,760
» Before it goes before the 11th.

1293
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,160
I mean, I guess one week before good

1294
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,000
» Catch uh the meeting on the 24th is when

1295
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,480
the council president set the agenda,

1296
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,280
but sometimes it's a date or two later.

1297
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,000
We go out to the public

1298
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,000
on a Thursday,

1299
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,000
» Right?

1300
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:16,800
» To me, it's a little confusing. I think

1301
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:19,680
it be 800 units. I know.

1302
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,200
Isn't it interesting? They they they

1303
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,800
crossed it out.

1304
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,240
» Look at the number they crossed out

1305
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,040
there.

1306
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,400
» Cross this out.

1307
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,920
» I don't know.

1308
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,880
» 68. See the 60? It was 67, I think.

1309
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,920
Right.

1310
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,920
» What a 68. The 68 is crossed out.

1311
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,559
» And then how conveniently they added the

1312
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:43,160
170 back in.

1313
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:43,160
» Yeah. What I would recommend is

1314
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:50,319
um

1315
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:53,040
Establishing a maximum of 93 dwelling

1316
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:58,000
units

1317
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:59,359
of which at most 170 shall be

1318
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,240
senior housing, assisted living,

1319
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:03,240
whatever it is. Um,

1320
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,000
most

1321
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,880
» Because they already have the rest of

1322
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:14,160
the residential constructed. So, we're

1323
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:17,280
only doing those seven

1324
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,880
and it was in um

1325
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,720
think that was a ceiling as well. They

1326
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,720
weren't willing to agree with just in

1327
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,720
case

1328
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,000
a quick question

1329
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,280
number two 68.5%.

1330
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,119
What is the exact

1331
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,200
» Oh, that that's Yeah, I would have to

1332
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,800
work those numbers that this has become

1333
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,359
almost like a Frankenstein ordinance.

1334
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,480
Um, it doesn't this these numbers don't

1335
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:45,440
add up. I see the 800 and I see the 68.

1336
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,040
That's your original 868.

1337
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,000
But then there's nothing no mention of

1338
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,079
the 135 originally approved senior

1339
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,200
housing

1340
00:50:52,079 --> 00:51:00,079
and and then the 68 goes away. It all

1341
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:04,880
instead of they just add back the 800.

1342
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:06,160
It should be 800 less um it should it

1343
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,319
somehow the know they're playing with

1344
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,319
the formula

1345
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:19,520
right it should be it maybe up to um

1346
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,880
» It should be

1347
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,040
170 senior units

1348
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,000
less

1349
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,680
» 868.

1350
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,720
» Yeah, that's the um 68 or something.

1351
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:36,440
That's 67

1352
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:36,440
to get you to 103

1353
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:44,480
» Or up to additional 170 senior units

1354
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,400
which in which includes I don't I don't

1355
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,800
know what the right verbiages you just

1356
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:52,200
don't know

1357
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,200
» As an example

1358
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,000
» I just know the numbers don't jive so

1359
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,000
gets picked

1360
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:05,280
So they're squeezing they're they're

1361
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:07,520
they how Avalon Avalon is the one that

1362
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,720
crossed the stuff out, right?

1363
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,079
» Yeah. The edits.

1364
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:14,160
» Okay. So then Avalon is trying to pull

1365
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:16,079
one full fastman.

1366
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:19,079
» No.

1367
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,079
» No.

1368
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:25,440
Um, yeah, I have some preliminary

1369
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:25,839
numbers about what I I thought the unit

1370
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,680
counts.

1371
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:28,480
» I don't know how to word it, but I know

1372
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,680
the numbers don't

1373
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:35,119
» I I would I I I would keep it relatively

1374
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:39,119
simple, right? I would say 93 units

1375
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:41,680
total at most 170 senior housing.

1376
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:44,079
» Um, work backwards. Now, the set aside

1377
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:48,000
for the family units is going to be

1378
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:50,000
slightly more at 16.64% 64%

1379
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,280
» And 10% for any new

1380
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,319
» Okay

1381
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,400
» Senior housing

1382
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:58,800
» Well the 903 total units which can can

1383
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,559
include up to an addition which can

1384
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,880
include

1385
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,480
170 senior units take out the 170 you

1386
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,599
get 733

1387
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,440
» Yep.

1388
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:10,880
» So 733

1389
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,680
is the 86080 minus the original approved

1390
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,880
135.

1391
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,040
» Yes. Somehow you've got to word

1392
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,400
wordsmith that.

1393
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,760
» Yeah, I Yeah, I I I will work with uh

1394
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,079
I'll work with Jerry. So,

1395
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:27,040
» Because it can't it it can't stand the

1396
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:28,800
way it's it is because it looks like

1397
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,920
whatever they have there, they're going

1398
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:36,079
to stick another 170 senior units there.

1399
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:40,520
» Yeah, I think the 800 family devel

1400
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:40,520
approves this, they're breaking ground.

1401
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:48,079
So you have to have to come before the

1402
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,599
new

1403
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:51,359
» Hard.

1404
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,960
» Yeah,

1405
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:54,640
» I don't like it at all.

1406
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,640
» I'll entertain a motion to change this

1407
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,640
paragraph.

1408
00:53:57,702 --> 00:53:59,722
[laughter]

1409
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:09,280
» I'll agree with that.

1410
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:13,119
» I'm having called a role.

1411
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,599
Can they separate out the senior um I

1412
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,079
think

1413
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,480
» Housing units versus the family dwelling

1414
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,319
units?

1415
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,280
» I think David has it right that we

1416
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:27,119
should say they can build up to 733

1417
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:29,119
family units and up to 170 senior units

1418
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,160
and that's and that's it. That's what

1419
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,480
we're all saying I think.

1420
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,960
» And then and do we know what number

1421
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,920
that's there now? Right now they're

1422
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,200
approved and how many is physically

1423
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,760
built because they're done building.

1424
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,280
» Oh, no. I I mean they I don't know how

1425
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,040
many have been coed, but it's going to

1426
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,640
be 733.

1427
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:52,480
» Oh, so they they know there's 733 there

1428
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:55,280
or broken ground or maybe maybe not not

1429
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,800
COD, but the build the frames are up,

1430
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,160
the buildings are up and

1431
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,839
» Yeah, that's okay.

1432
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:06,478
» So that then Okay. So then

1433
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:07,760
if you if this was approved

1434
00:55:06,478 --> 00:55:10,319
[clears throat]

1435
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:13,280
» They would probably put another

1436
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:15,359
67 to get up to the 800 and then shove

1437
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,359
another 170 in there.

1438
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:18,720
» Yeah. I I again I haven't been too

1439
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:22,319
involved in discussion but I I thought

1440
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:23,520
it was just the 170 for senior. Uh

1441
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:26,000
um

1442
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,839
» So yeah, you got to word smith it to

1443
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:32,240
total of 93 units with up to 170 senior

1444
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:34,720
units. However they want to do it,

1445
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,119
right? They have 733 there. Well, then

1446
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:38,240
they can max out at the 170.

1447
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:41,359
» Mhm.

1448
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,559
» Right. You can't have the the number 800

1449
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:44,079
in here.

1450
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:47,119
» Yeah.

1451
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:48,480
» Yeah. I agree. Well, I I think as I

1452
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,880
said, I think the most straightforward

1453
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:55,839
approach is just to say you can build up

1454
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:58,839
to 733 family units and up to 170 senior

1455
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:58,839
units.

1456
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:04,640
» Like how do they do that? Unless are

1457
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:06,079
they going to say the senior units are

1458
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,480
all in one building or are they going to

1459
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,400
be

1460
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,880
» Oh, they're going to be that's the

1461
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,160
assistant living.

1462
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,960
» Yeah, but to say that it's all senior

1463
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,359
senior housing will shall be in like one

1464
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,160
building.

1465
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:17,280
» Oh, in the

1466
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,160
» Two buildings or whatever it is.

1467
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,160
» Well, we think the assistant living

1468
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:25,839
» Everything else is built out. So, they

1469
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,440
only have that like vacant space towards

1470
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:30,079
the like the westerly portion of the

1471
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,079
site. That's where this building goes.

1472
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:34,960
» Space for 170 seat. Is there enough

1473
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:36,720
space for that?

1474
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,280
» Yeah, that's why they're hanging on the

1475
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,040
floor.

1476
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,599
» Yeah, but they have the footprint for

1477
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,839
that for building that size

1478
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:46,839
» Footprint for the

1479
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,839
» Hotel.

1480
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,200
That's a lot of units.

1481
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,200
» Shares of parking.

1482
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,920
» Okay, got it.

1483
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,839
So, it's not shares.

1484
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,160
» Okay. because that's a lot of units in

1485
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:01,160
the one building.

1486
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,440
» So, just so it's clear, it's going in a

1487
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,160
separate separate building, the senior

1488
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,559
housing.

1489
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,440
» Yes.

1490
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:12,000
» Does it say that?

1491
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,079
» It's it's attached to the garage, but um

1492
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,680
does does this say this?

1493
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,240
» Does it say separate building? No, I

1494
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,920
don't think so.

1495
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,559
» How how are they doing that?

1496
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,640
» What do you mean?

1497
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:23,040
» I mean, how

1498
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,359
the senior housing units, let's say the

1499
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:29,040
170, where where are those going?

1500
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:29,760
They're not distributed with the u

1501
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,079
one building.

1502
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,000
» Okay. Does does this say that it be a

1503
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,680
separate building for senior housing?

1504
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,200
» Yes and no. So it doesn't say separate

1505
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,960
building, but senior housing buildings

1506
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,040
are allowed to be

1507
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,839
» Up to six stories. So they're they're a

1508
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,640
separate building height established for

1509
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:48,720
senior housing. So presumably all those

1510
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:53,599
units are going to go to that sixtory

1511
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:57,880
building. They in this language they may

1512
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:57,880
have the option if they choose.

1513
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,160
» Yeah. I mean

1514
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,000
» Yeah it's it's gonna end up being in one

1515
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,839
building but Fran is right. The way this

1516
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,520
is rain, it would allow for

1517
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:23,760
» Each unit have different amenities

1518
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,119
» So they could move them.

1519
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:30,400
» Yeah, because every floor has an

1520
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:33,559
elevator. So that's one or

1521
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,559
I think

1522
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:37,319
units with an atrium.

1523
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,920
Stairway

1524
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,040
to the

1525
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:48,040
top floor.

1526
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,040
Here's

1527
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:54,319
if you start distributing senior housing

1528
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,839
throughout then the other buildings they

1529
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:57,920
go up to six story they say well wow we

1530
00:58:55,839 --> 00:59:00,160
have some senior housing in here senior

1531
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,799
units for the rest of market

1532
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:06,559
» Yeah regular family

1533
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:09,559
» May maybe uh maybe

1534
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,559
» Buildends

1535
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:20,760
to be a higher

1536
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,760
add

1537
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,559
» And those are technically both already

1538
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,240
mixeduse buildings and so even if they

1539
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:30,240
did have senior living in there right or

1540
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,599
an age restricted unit or two which

1541
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,280
again I don't think they're going to do

1542
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:35,599
but because they're mixeduse we have a

1543
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,760
separate height or mixeduse building so

1544
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:39,599
they'd be to that

1545
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,079
» Yeah they they wouldn't mix a se

1546
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:44,400
designated quote unquote senior housing

1547
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:46,480
unit in a regular building that wouldn't

1548
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,599
make any sense.

1549
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,040
» Well, part of

1550
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,359
» A lot of things in this didn't make any

1551
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,720
sense.

1552
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:53,040
» No, I know. But that wouldn't make any

1553
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:56,319
sense cuz what what's the benefit of

1554
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:59,359
having a senior unit inside a mixeduse

1555
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:01,680
building? There's no there's

1556
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:03,599
» You know there would have to be in I

1557
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,680
guess income restriction that would that

1558
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:08,559
make it an affordable unit. You know,

1559
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,880
you the apartment 2D you have to be 55

1560
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:13,880
and over. I I you know I don't know if

1561
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,880
that

1562
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,960
» It's going in a separate building.

1563
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,319
» I think it's got to be

1564
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,359
» I think we're overthinking this.

1565
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:21,839
» Yeah, I think

1566
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:24,079
» What what is wrong with with saying you

1567
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:26,240
can do 733

1568
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:30,000
family units

1569
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,760
» And you can do up to 170 senior units in

1570
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,599
the assisted living facility.

1571
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,359
» That makes sense. I like it.

1572
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,760
» Yeah, I like that. Simple.

1573
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:39,359
» Yes.

1574
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,480
You got to be clear that that's what we

1575
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:42,000
want the

1576
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,240
» Senior living facility.

1577
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,760
» Yeah. Yeah. That make that makes sense.

1578
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,440
They're designated that the senior

1579
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,440
housing goes into the assisted living

1580
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,440
building.

1581
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,799
» And it's really unfortunate that we

1582
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:59,200
actually have this because as I said

1583
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:01,599
earlier um we we've already done

1584
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,280
amendments to the redevelopment plan

1585
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,680
which deals with all these issues,

1586
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,440
» Right?

1587
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,960
» Um and they said, "Well, we need an

1588
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,720
ordinance also." So I said we don't

1589
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,119
think you do but

1590
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,559
» Um

1591
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,000
» If you want to do the ordinance you can

1592
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:14,960
but you know it's created as many

1593
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:17,040
problems obviously.

1594
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,799
» Of course absolutely

1595
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,799
» What do

1596
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:21,799
» Yeah.

1597
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,680
» Well I think they still I I think the

1598
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:31,119
limit is still the 733 right now and the

1599
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:32,880
up to 170. Let's we'll make these change

1600
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,480
and we'll we'll get off to them. doesn't

1601
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,119
do that.

1602
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,520
» Did Did they send us information about

1603
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:38,240
us

1604
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,480
» In your housing?

1605
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,119
» No, they just sent it a few days ago

1606
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,920
actually.

1607
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,280
» Yeah.

1608
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:48,599
» Includes nursing home, senior citizen.

1609
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,599
» Yeah. Yeah.

1610
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:54,000
» This was was this was part of the

1611
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,119
settlement?

1612
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,599
» No. This

1613
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:58,599
» Or No.

1614
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,599
» No.

1615
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,319
» So, where where do we go from here? We

1616
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,400
we reddraft this section. Dave and I

1617
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:08,240
will do that. We'll get it off to Avalon

1618
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,960
this week.

1619
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,599
» Good.

1620
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,240
» Yeah. I Yeah, I have link already done.

1621
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:14,240
Um

1622
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,920
» Every everything else that's not in red

1623
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,000
was the existing ordinance.

1624
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,280
» Oh, yeah. Everything

1625
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,079
Yeah. Okay.

1626
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:24,880
» We're adding in the um description of

1627
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:26,400
special need. Does that have to be put

1628
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,920
in?

1629
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,240
» Yeah, we want to keep we want to keep

1630
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,359
that in. Yeah. But in the definition

1631
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,599
section at the beginning of the article,

1632
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:36,960
you're a whole different cate.

1633
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,400
» That's a good point.

1634
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,920
» Yeah.

1635
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,599
» Um,

1636
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,319
special needs housing is defined as

1637
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:46,240
housing of a bed that is reserved by. So

1638
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:50,680
if we have an ordinance book that has

1639
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,680
definitions that need to be included

1640
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:58,000
» Special

1641
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:00,319
» Well it says it's defined in NJSA 341B

1642
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,520
» Whatever

1643
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:03,440
» That's a state code

1644
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,119
» So okay

1645
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,280
» Yeah but it doesn't say special needs

1646
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:08,480
housing for seniors or senior I

1647
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,079
» I think we could keep it I think it's

1648
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,160
best keeping in this section tell the

1649
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,160
truth

1650
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:18,720
Special needs housing is separate from

1651
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,280
senior housing. It's se it's a separate

1652
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,319
item.

1653
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,039
» Yeah.

1654
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:22,400
» Could be a senior.

1655
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,760
» Yeah. It could be anybody. It could be a

1656
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,000
senior or it could be a kid.

1657
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:29,000
» Anybody.

1658
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,000
» Yep.

1659
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:35,680
» Well, they want to make sure that it's,

1660
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,559
you know,

1661
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,640
microscope.

1662
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:41,200
» It's group homes for people with special

1663
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:44,559
needs. Yeah.

1664
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:47,359
» Are we going to discuss windows too,

1665
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:49,760
» Anderson or Pel?

1666
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:52,760
» No. No. Whe the bedroom has a window or

1667
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,760
not.

1668
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:06,960
» So, so it has to have a window.

1669
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:10,640
» Well, that was for

1670
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,760
» No, when We've we've we've resolved that

1671
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,240
elsewhere.

1672
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,920
» Okay.

1673
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,599
» Yes. Thank you, sir.

1674
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:19,280
» Okay.

1675
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:21,599
Anything else that Jerry and um David

1676
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:24,720
are going to rework that? I think

1677
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:26,319
everything there's no

1678
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,480
Is there nothing else in red that we

1679
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:31,480
need to revisit?

1680
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,480
» No.

1681
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:38,079
» My

1682
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:41,839
» Okay.

1683
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:43,839
have what leads you about.

1684
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:46,240
» Well, yeah, you have the first page you

1685
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:47,039
have the special needs housing.

1686
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,400
» Then you have

1687
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,599
» We need to define that, right?

1688
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,319
» Yeah.

1689
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:56,400
» And then B2 you have everything there

1690
01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:58,720
regarding um the number of units

1691
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:01,760
that needs to be revisited, re uh

1692
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:04,160
worded. We're

1693
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,000
» Yeah, I think on page one under tube A,

1694
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,920
it's sufficient the way it is now.

1695
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,720
» Okay.

1696
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:14,319
But do we need to add this definition to

1697
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,880
the ordinance book under definition?

1698
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,480
» No.

1699
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,480
» Why? Because it's already defined.

1700
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,599
» It's defined right here. You better off

1701
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,599
here rather than having somewhere else.

1702
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:27,039
» Sometimes it could be used.

1703
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:29,920
» Yeah, I believe. So, yeah. So, it's just

1704
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:34,400
defining it to that.

1705
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:36,880
» So, then B2 needs to be rewarded.

1706
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:41,200
Uh we're okay with the six story. It's

1707
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:45,520
85 ft. We're okay with the parking is

1708
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:48,240
um.5 versus 7.

1709
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:51,520
This time we have

1710
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:55,960
» The six stories to have the chief

1711
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,960
comment on that. Well, that'll thatation

1712
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,760
» But the c well the council would um

1713
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:02,480
introduce folks right before the plane

1714
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,880
and board gets

1715
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,839
» Well. Do we need an opinion from him

1716
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,839
that you know

1717
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,520
» Address?

1718
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:31,839
» Well, we have five. I don't want to have

1719
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:33,920
to buy another $2 million fire truck

1720
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:36,000
because half doesn't go off that high. I

1721
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:39,880
I I honestly I don't know.

1722
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,880
» I would want to know now.

1723
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:51,039
» Yeah. Exactly.

1724
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:52,799
» And this is

1725
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:54,880
again I know it's a different product

1726
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:56,720
and different population living there,

1727
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:00,640
but originally that hotel was supposed

1728
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:02,720
to be six doors and 85 CD. Okay. So,

1729
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,640
nothing's changing

1730
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,000
» As far as the height is concerned in the

1731
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,680
storms.

1732
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,559
» Yeah. I mean, the maximum height of the

1733
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,960
hotel is supposed to be 80.

1734
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:13,440
» So, he

1735
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:17,359
» Do we know do we know if Chief Lynch

1736
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:19,760
will find on the sixtory hotel?

1737
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:20,799
» I think Chief Lynch will be fine with

1738
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,119
» Okay.

1739
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:24,720
» They have long host. He has he has a

1740
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:26,559
very long host, Chief Lynch.

1741
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,880
» Right. So basically, like I said, then

1742
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,760
he's going to have a valable needs in

1743
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,559
the building,

1744
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,039
» Right?

1745
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:34,720
» And if and and if he doesn't have a

1746
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:37,839
ladder truck that could reach that, then

1747
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:41,200
he's going to insist on sprinklers.

1748
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:45,400
» This ladder truck will reach it.

1749
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,400
» I heard he has a very long hose

1750
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,680
» For neighboring municipalities.

1751
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:57,599
um points five parking spaces and that's

1752
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:58,880
pretty much it. Okay,

1753
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,440
» We're good to go.

1754
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,559
» Yep.

1755
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,559
» Okay, we're good to go.

1756
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,760
» Yep.

1757
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:05,680
» So, David's going to

1758
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,119
» David and Jerry are going to re

1759
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,280
» I already have I already have some like

1760
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:12,880
draft language specializing on numbers

1761
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,680
and then reooking the set aside.

1762
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,079
» No, no,

1763
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,760
» No,

1764
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:17,440
» No, no, no. We're going to get it off to

1765
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,640
to Avan.

1766
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,480
» Sorry. to

1767
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,400
» I think we've gotten the in we've gotten

1768
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:24,799
the instructions we need. If we get it

1769
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:27,199
back to the board, this will go on

1770
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:29,120
» For an extended period of time.

1771
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:33,679
» Okay. You you know what we want. We want

1772
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:35,600
no more than 93 units with 170 total um

1773
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:37,839
max senior.

1774
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:40,159
However they get there, she's fine. And

1775
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:42,960
since they already have 733 built

1776
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:45,440
already, they're locked in for no more

1777
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,960
than 107,

1778
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:49,199
right? They're not getting away with an

1779
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,960
extra 67 units. They're going to squeeze

1780
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:56,199
in.

1781
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:56,199
» I That's my story. I'm sticking to

1782
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,640
» Okay.

1783
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:08,199
» Okay. Um

1784
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:14,080
council would be introduced and 45

1785
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:15,839
review by the planning board ordinance

1786
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,679
that's introduced. Yes.

1787
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:19,759
» And it comes back to council if

1788
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:23,239
something passes and eventually either

1789
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:23,239
side of plan.

1790
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:29,279
» Yes.

1791
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:31,040
» And and before there's even a site plan

1792
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:35,040
application will be TRC meetings about

1793
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:36,880
this first. So look at it technical

1794
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,880
details. So there's a bunch of steps

1795
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,880
done

1796
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,480
staff meetings.

1797
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:52,159
Okay, we don't vote on this vote. Okay,

1798
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:54,480
» Any other business?

1799
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:55,280
» Close the motion to close the public's

1800
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:56,239
hearing.

1801
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,840
» So move.

1802
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:00,159
» Moved by Allen. Second.

1803
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:03,960
» Second. All in favor say I. I.

1804
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:03,960
» Okay. Media journey.

1805
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,320
» Look at that. Not bad.