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We'll start back there, Ashley.

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Okay, we'll call the meeting to order, welcome everybody this morning.

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And for the council meeting February 3rd for the West Great Council.

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If you could, please rise and we'll take a moment of reflection before we begin the duties of the day.

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Thank you.

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Again, Ms. Noble, can you give us any updates on anybody that is joining us virtually or how they may join us virtually?

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Please.

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Thank you. And three numeracles before I begin at any point. If you had disconnected, you can dial 1647-558-0588.

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And I'm to the ID for this meeting, which is 891-56262480.

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For members of the public, if you require any technical assistance, please send a chat message to our screen communications and I will tap to assist you.

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Thanks.

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Thank you very much, Ashley.

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Number four, is there any decoration of interest?

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Very early, why is for many members of the council?

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Seeing none, but does rise can be declared at any time, regardless.

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And delegations, presentations, and not where that we have any this morning, Jamie.

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They're now bringing us down to public meetings, which I don't believe a third of any.

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And comment period.

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At this time, we offer a chance for anybody. Is there anyone online? There's no.

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And we have nobody participating in the audience today.

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So I guess that will public comments.

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And the biggest public comment was yesterday from White and Willy.

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And he's gone back in, so we'll leave that one closed.

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Adoption of minutes.

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Number seven.

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We have two sets of minutes from the council meeting on January 13th.

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And the public planning meeting held on January 13th in the afternoon.

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Do I have somebody that would like to move those?

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Deputy Mayor Hutchison and Councillor Townsend.

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Thank you.

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Any comments on the motion?

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There are some missions.

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We'll vote on that. All those in favor.

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That is carried.

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Next we have committee and board reports.

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We've been to minutes of the West Creek Public Library in November of the 12th.

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So being a conservation authority in November of 20th.

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So being mobility on December of the 19th.

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And so being in a spot there for it on January the 21st.

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Can I have a mover to receive those?

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Councillor Hutchison and Councillor Forster.

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We've been second.

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Call the question.

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All those in favor?

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Thank you, Jim.

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What are your long number nine correspondence?

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And in the correspondence package.

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We have a number of items there.

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But two of them that required direction.

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The first one is nine point one point.

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One correspondence from the county of Grey.

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A really team green.

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Memorandable.

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If we want to make a comment on that or.

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We sign that.

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Memorandable.

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Councillor Hutchison Doug.

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I have a couple questions.

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This is the final answer.

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So my first question has to be with.

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I'm gonna refresh my room.

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So, cost involved.

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Obviously, this, a lot of areas have economic development.

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People, we have a COO who is our economic development person, I guess.

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I guess. So I'm just wondering, is there a cost of this program to us? How does that, like in the past, I know

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county gave us some money toward our facade program, but this is obviously a little bit different to

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a mad, is there going to be a cost factor in this? Thank you in command and council. No financial

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outlet at this point for this. They want staff time and the intent of this is one this entire

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MOU is to define roles and responsibilities so that everybody has a clear understanding of the

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expectations of both parties. Any lower tier municipality who signs on to this, I would argue,

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will get as much as they put into it. So at this point, most of it is staff time. As most of

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you know, I participate as to other economic development staff from other municipalities in regular

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meetings with county staff. We collaborate on projects. If there is a specific initiative that the

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county and or the member municipalities are interested in exploring that has a cash outlay, they may

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ask us to say, and they used the example of here of in Veronica's data, you know, this is a project

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we're exploring. Do you think there's value? If we could get a group buying deal and everybody could contribute

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a thousand dollars, is this something you would be interested in? But there's always an opt-in option as

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opposed to an expectation that there's money. So signing this MOU has zero financial implications

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other than the intangible staff class time. Further note? So one of the things that came to mind when

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I was reading this was the at one point in time we asked the county or the county was involved in an

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inventory of development, employment, lands, commercial businesses and so on. I don't know where we are

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not. Is this something that could come out of this because I know there's always been this discussion

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about who's got what ready what do you have in here municipality that could be invested in and so on.

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So do you see that maybe this would be an area that we can get some kind of inventory and going forward

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so that we have a better idea where we're at. Thank you for the question. Well I'd like to say yes,

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I'm going to say no. The idea here is that that is the role of the lower tier municipalities. The lower tier

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municipalities are intended to be the boots on the ground who have the relationships with their local

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businesses, et cetera. We would then take whatever we have, feed it up. You know, maybe at some point

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if they had a summer student, we might be able to tap into that but that is not the intent of this

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MOU it. There's clearly defining that the local municipalities are doing the day-to-day

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relationship building and feeding into the broader opportunities that we can work on collectively at a county level.

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Okay. Anything further? I'll say. In the cover letter it says that the vanermyers at the

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county is available to explain this or present this information to us. Is this the what we've received?

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Is this the explanation or should would there be any merit in having her come and explain it in more detail?

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Sure. Thank you. This is the background to this. If council wanted the director of

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economic development from the county to come and speak, she would be more than happy to. We recently had

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a county CAO as meeting as well and the county broadly has been putting that off or to build that relationship

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with lower tier municipalities. For any of you who have attended the series of leadership forums,

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what you would hear from Savannah if she came here today would be what we've been building on for the

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past number of years at those leadership forums. This is sort of the the embodiment and the formal

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agreement to sort of say we're all committed for this joint effort but it's what we've been leading to

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for the past two years through these leadership forums. But if it's council's wish to have Savannah

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further come to talk about this, certainly I'm sure she wouldn't be more than happy to. We could make those

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arrangements.

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Well, I'm happy getting the news from you. So that's that's fine. I just noticed that they were offering

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I just wondered if they had a package that they expected to deliver to us but okay. They say that the

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on page two the guiding document is the economic development tourism cultural master plan which has

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already been developed. This is going to be the guiding document to the demo you. This master plan seems to have

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been developed by the county unilaterally. Know that was with input from the lower tiers. Okay.

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Thank you. We are into I believe you're two or three, 2026. I think might be your three of this demo

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it had been a joint effort and prior to my employment here where I used to work we were very

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involved in this and this was built. It's probably the best example of strategic plan that has been

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looked at at the county level but built with the input of every single member, municipality, they engaged

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staff members, they engaged stakeholders and it was truly a collaborative effort and what you're

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seeing here. This demo you sort of formalizes some of the relationship but you can start to see

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on I think on page two of this it says the scope. This is what we're doing but we've already worked on

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priority one, the leadership and collaboration. We've worked on priority two investment readiness and we

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will continue to work on those but we're building on this but I can assure you that this was probably

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one of the most collaborative strategic plans I've ever been involved in.

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All right anything else?

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So what we're looking for here is the motion recommendation is to work us to sign and I think

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as we have all of you as Michelle has said it's been something that has been worked between

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the two minutes of power they're the nine minutes of abilities in the county for a number of years.

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It just doesn't have any formal so it's more like an auditor game and said what you're doing all of

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this but where's the direction from council there? So that's what it's really here for.

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Move. Deputy Mayor Alchison. Thank you. Seconded by Councillor Townsend. Any further questions or

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comments on the motion? I'll call the question all those in favor. The opposed that's carried. Okay.

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And the next piece of correspondence that needs oh sorry that was the one that needed direction

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the next one nine point two is there.

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There's a number of other correspondence in the package, but they've already been either dealt with or just be seen for information.

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Unless somebody wants to pull one or two of those, one of those, two, three.

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Councillor Hutchison, you would like to call a couple of those.

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How does it to pull and support one, five, and ten?

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All right.

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And Mr. Faye, you have.

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And say, all right.

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So that's one, five, six and ten.

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Was that what it was for Doug? You have one, five, and five.

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Well, any other ones, under the package?

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And we'll start with the ones that have been pulled.

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Comments on, and of course, on it's from Ms. Bell, if North Grandville, Merrick Wolford, Lily Joel P.P.

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Detachment Board, regarding support for enhanced school bus safety and implementation of stop-arm camera systems.

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So, the reason I like to support this is that there was an interesting status in there when you read it.

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That even though we, you know, we have stopped stop lights and all kinds of lights to supposed to work that.

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Clause people are key people from passing school buses when they're stopped, but it says here that in Ontario, that 30,000 times a day people pass school buses illegally, which is, which is amazing when you think of it.

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So, there's lots of potential for a danger there for sure.

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So, this, the Grandville is asking that, um, to go up the, the, um, the Grandville Depachment Board,

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supports provincial investment in an expansion of school bus stop-arm camera systems, uh, of using on the highway traffic act.

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So, it was on to say, we respectfully call on the problems of terror to continue advancing this life-saving work,

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um, by providing municipalities with the funding mechanisms, legal legislative support and implementation guidance.

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necessary to deploy stop-arm cameras and complementary safety technologies province-wide.

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So, I decided it's worthwhile venture and hopefully it will go through, but all as we can do is ask.

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So, you're moving to support that.

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That's the seconder. I'll turn in. Okay? Any other college questions?

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On that.

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Seeing none, then I will call the book, all those in favor.

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In post, that's carried.

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Second one you had pulled up from town of Elmer.

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Just as an protection of Canada's children.

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So, this one has to do with the protection of children, um, in terms of our, um,

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where the safety will be in children fundamentally.

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Response will have an involved with sexual offenses against children, um, across Ontario, Canada.

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So, look, just wanted to tighten things up so that, um,

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more regulations and more visibility in terms of people that commit some of these crimes.

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Um, so there's a growing certain gaps in bail, sensing parole, eligibility, and offender monitoring,

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allow high-risk individuals to re-enter communities prematurely placing children at a continual risk.

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So, they're asking for the, um,

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government to review and strengthen legislation and policies related to sexual offenses against children.

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uh, ways you can do that have to do with bail and sensing parole, um, monitoring and, um,

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victim and community safety programs and so on.

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So, thought it was worth all cause and we should support something like that.

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Thank you.

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How will move that?

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Okay.

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Uh, seconder by the deputy mayor.

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The other comments are questions on this one.

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Seeing them call the question of holes in favor.

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Post that's carried.

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All right.

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And then we, we're down to, we're going, going border.

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And number six.

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Yeah, free.

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That one.

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Um, this is a request from the library board.

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We're going to be included in any discussions about, uh,

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considering a county wide library system.

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I assume they're already being included in these discussions,

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but I did feel that since they presented a formal request that we ought to give them a formal reply.

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And just respond to their correspondence saying,

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yes, of course, we'll include you in these discussions.

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Uh, shall.

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Thank you.

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That has already been done.

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We updated them.

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The county has a report going through it.

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I believe that their next council meeting,

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but it was also presented at the joint service review committee last week.

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So, um, the library is made aware of that.

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And I've told them that that's the form.

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So they are quite pleased with that correspondence.

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Just if you're asking, do they participate in those or just,

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I made aware of them.

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They were made aware of it at this point.

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The initiative moves forward at the county.

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They would obviously be engaged in those discussions.

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They stun what I heard from the joint services working group.

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Um, I think the recommendation to county council is going to be that it's not viable at this point.

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To look at a county wide.

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And that will be before county.

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I think next week.

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All right.

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So as we know that airports and airplanes are very important to the north,

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especially in northern Ontario and northern parts of Canada,

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we've always crossed.

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This, this group is asking that the government.

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Help to support airports and being that we're part owner of an airport.

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I thought it was sort of timely that that maybe we could also ask for some support to help support our airport.

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And it says,

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Where as other provinces, including British Columbia,

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We've highlighted many other regions of the area.

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But we've seen a lot of issues with the European Union,

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which is an increasingly important area.

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I think it's probably going to be very specifically based on the ongoing shopping

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projects and public planning that we need to do.

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During the last, let me introduce you to one of the most important suggestions in the region of our country.

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I would like to say,

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Oliva is a nice medium-time expert at transportation,

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and share eligibility of a broad range of capital projects, including safety,

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upgrades, equipment, replacement, runway maintenance, and engage in municipalities and design

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of these and recognize the essential role of airports in the MetaVAC and emergency services,

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especially in remote and northern communities. And we know that even our airport, not in the remote

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north, but we do get used for our airport and I thought maybe WMR, HSM would be all over this.

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So, you want to move that we support the town of Fort Francis,

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and we're ambition to move the province towards that capital funding program.

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All right, do we have a seconder for that? No, I'm going to take Councilor Nan.

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But if you want to make a comment, Mr. Hatseson, go ahead, down.

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Thank radicals for your back to Councilor Hatseson. Yes, so the tricky part there is because the airport

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usually fall under the bed of federal legislation, so that's where I agree with this. I'm going to

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certainly support it, but the role of what we've found so far we're role with the province is more of

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that infrastructure Ontario grants and incentives there with 0% interest, et cetera. So we're tapping

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into that with concepts or ideas that we have for our municipal airport, but certainly support this,

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and see if there's any other way to generate some interest in revenue for us. That's great. Thank you.

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And for your comments, Councillor Shea. Yeah, I just have a question for anyone who might know

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that a back is often referenced in these sorts of discussions. Our hospital

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heliports regulated under any of this and would hospital heliports be eligible for this sort of funding, do you

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think? I'm going out on a limb here and I would say, I don't believe that they will

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for the fact that it's a landing spot for orange, which is under the Ministry of Health, so I would

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think at the hospital sort of it would be under their capital, although we'll correct me from

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around the depth of your mirror. The orange helicopters on a number of locations drop in too. They

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being a Soviet medical airport for fuel, and there have been occasions where they have met an ambulance

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there and picked up, because of difficulty getting into any of the water to the end or having

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for hospital. So, yeah, the use of airports on occasions, if they can, those landing sites at the hospital.

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I would doubt if there will go through the helipads at the hospitals into this program.

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Okay, we'll have a move in a second to support the Port Francis, a recommendation on a capital

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that's a simple grant for airports, any other questions comments? Go question in all those in favor.

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To the post, that's carried. Okay, that leaves us with receiving the rest of the correspondence

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to the 3, 4, 7, 8, 9 for information. We have a mover move by Councillor Thompson, excuse me,

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and second by Councillor Forster. Thank you. Good. It's got any questions on that?

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Oh, the question, all those in favor. Post, that's carried. Very good. That's it for your correspondence.

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It brings us down to staff reports, and our first staff report this morning is community relations

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coordinator. Jessica, good morning. And 10.1.1.225. Summer Aquatics Program Review.

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The floor is yours. Okay, good morning, everybody. So, through you, Mayor, close. I'm presenting

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the 2025 Summer Aquatics Program Review. So, swimming lessons were provided by the municipality and they

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have been a longstanding pillar of recreation programming. In 2025, we hired an aquatic supervisor,

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a headguard, and five life guards. So, there were 236 enrollments across 188 individuals

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and overall the fill rate was 48% and we do apply for grants. Unfortunately, we did not receive any

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in 2025. And our swim lesson fees have not increased since 2021. So, I assume we've all read the rest.

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So, our recommendation is that in consideration of this report, you approved the municipality

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increasing the lesson fees. Parent and taught, we would like to increase up until swimmer level nine,

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five percent. And private and semi-private lessons would be an increase of 10 percent, and then

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council would then direct staff to bring forward a bylaw to amend the bylaw number 2025-065 to reflect

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the swim lesson fee increase for the 2026 season.

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All right, good. Any questions? Just get on this one. Are you willing to take any questions just

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again? Yeah, so I'm willing to take any questions.

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Thank you and thank you for the report. I guess my question is, I'm not sure what the fees are,

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but I wasn't really, um, some-

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I'm familiar with what was offered. But I noticed there's private and semi-private lessons. So this is one on one. I guess with our instructors and I feel looking at what the expenses were for 2025. And I realize recreation has never a profit margin.

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But in the same token that tax dollar paying for that kind of cost, when we're offering private and semi-private lessons, I was just kind of wondering what kind of revenues we're bringing in for those types of lessons.

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Are they paying like 100% of the students or whoever's providing those lessons, or is it being subsidized by the municipality for private and semi-private lessons?

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And then through your miracles. So our private lessons in 2025, that was one on one between one-life garden, one child. Those were $130 per lesson. So there were typically nine, 10 lessons in there.

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30 or 45 minutes each. So I wouldn't say that that quite covered the staff cost to run all of those lessons.

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And then semi-private is typically two children to one lifeguard and that was $90. So that definitely would not cover the staff and cost.

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I hope that answered your question.

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Okay. Yeah. All right. Then what would the just a regular cost for like, and how many students would be getting lessons at the same time for that lower cost?

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So it varies for different lessons. There's different ratios, but one of the ratios would be one instructor for every six children, for example, and you could have the cost at $70.

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For example, depending on whether it's somewhere level one or somewhere level nine, so then that definitely helps and provides a bit more revenue than the private and semi-private lessons.

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Again, I'm not trying to say don't like to subsidize private and semi-private because all children should know how to swim. It's very important with all the bodies of waters that we have just here and on in West Great, but anyways, thank you for your information.

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And also, how's this?

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Yeah. So first of all, I'd like to say a supportive, there's sort of a swim program. I think it's something we've offered for a number of years and I think it's a very important program.

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But I do see that we're in a deficit of $47,000 and we just cancel the camp program that had a deficit of $30,000.

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And I know there's some rumblings out there that people aren't very happy about that, but anyways, came back to the swim program.

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My question is, in 2025, program, fill rate of 48% across various swim levels.

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So I'm just wondering, how can we, and I don't have any problem with raising the fees, I think we need to do that to help bring the cost down.

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How do we make it so that we're running at a 100% fill rate rather than 48?

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And I know in the camp, too, that was one of the concerns as we were looking at 40 or 50 or 60% fill rate, remember a number exactly.

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But to me, why we build off each year, we build off a program. Why can we not say, okay, we got five instructors this year?

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And we take our registration and when it becomes filled, we don't take any more.

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So then we're at 100% capacity and if we don't fill it this year, maybe we drop the four and then the three to get a 100% fill rate.

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To me, I don't understand how that works, but why are we running at 48% fill rate when we could be running at 100%?

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If I'm going to like to fill me in on that one?

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I think the CEO wants to stay up at a first. She wants to swim in these water.

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Well, Ching, thank you.

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We've been talking a lot about this.

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We have promoted both the camp and the Aquatics program extensively and not sure what else we can do to promote it to encourage more activity.

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I would argue that some of this is simply a case of demographics and supply and demand.

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And the challenge we have and it's not unlike any other programming is to engage the students or the people we have for the staff or the summer.

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We can't give them ad hoc hours.

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We'll give you five hours here when the program is full.

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We are required to retain qualified staff to really engage them for the whole summer, which is why to speak to Councillor Newton's point about semi private and private lessons.

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When staff have capacity and availability, we're already paying them.

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We've committed to whatever period of time they're in.

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So if we can utilize, even though the private and semi private are not as, I'm going to say, profitable.

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At the end of the day, we're paying the staff anyway, so we'd rather continue to engage and have some revenue opportunity.

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So it's a fine balance here on how we do that.

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And I think speaking and I don't want to delve into the other summer camp program that we've talked about, but I think Jesse and Carly when they reviewed this.

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I mean, there is a very strong with this Aquatics program, particularly a strong, deeply rooted historical.

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It's a piece of this, it's entrenched in community and has been for generations.

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So I just wanted to pride that little bit of context, but it's a delicate balance.

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If we could just say we're putting out this these three weeks and we're going to once it's filled, we'll open up more that would be great, but we've got to engage staff.

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Well, to further that.

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So since we had five swim instructors, I'm looking back here.

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And one had our five life guards swim instructors and we were 48% filled right.

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So are we going to go to three instructors this year so that we can get that number higher?

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Like, is that how that works?

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And so that's my first question.

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But the other thing that comes to mind is is like some areas do cut it off once you get to a certain level.

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And I think I think I hear rumors that we need to make sure that we get this out early enough that people can make commitments over the summer so that they don't have to start shopping around to try to get.

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I don't get positions and that has to do with the camp part two, but but.

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So I guess to go back to my question is are we going to do have less staff this year and try to get that percentage up.

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I understand what you're saying we need to hire for the summer, but so maybe we hired three instead of five.

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I don't know what's that's my question.

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And I will defer to Carly and Jesse they've been doing all the analysis on this and that might absolutely be a consideration.

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Speaking to getting it out early enough we get it out very early so I I do struggle with that I know and we kept it open all summer and we were pushing all summer.

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We did all kinds of promotion around staff so I don't think the promotion is is the challenge and I think certainly if we're looking at this maybe there's an opportunity to.

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reduce our staff complement on this and see how that works out and see if we could.

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But then we might run into oh my gosh we're full and we'll be disappointing people but it's that balance and I will defer to Carly and Jesse if they have any more specifically to add related to that.

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Through you miracles.

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Yeah as for the staffing and decreasing the staffing that's something that we would certainly have to look at just based on the swim lessons schedules.

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There are typically multiple lessons going on at a time so in 2025 the swim instructors from what I understand they were still very busy even though the fill rate might not reflect that so much this is also.

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In consideration of the private and semi private lessons whether it increases it or decreases it I don't know off the top of my head but if nobody registered for a private lesson that would be a zero percent.

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But yes we do typically open this when lessons in February so I don't think there's any issue with opening it sooner we can certainly promote as we have been the new setcraft show we ended out flyers and things like that we can also look at schools and see if they'd be open to handing promotional materials out to the students to take home for their parents to look at.

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Otherwise we would certainly have to look at what the swim lessons schedules would be and relate that back to what the staffing would have to be as well.

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Yeah so realizing that you know we have new staff in this position and you had working from a program that's been there for a long time so I trust that you'll look at it and figure it out and hopefully make it a little more efficient and.

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But in the meantime keep keep the program going and maybe we can even have a camp some days so we'll see.

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Jeff I'm going to go ahead.

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Yeah I think you do a great job and I support you and I'm ready to happy to adopt all your recommendations I just wanted to point out a couple things one.

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If there are lessons being offered and they are not full.

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Do you could we promote them to campers at the Southern Valley conservation area where people can almost do it as like a drop in like oh we're here for three days sure the kid could go swimming lessons at 11 o'clock two of those days and pay.

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No, maybe they're not going to pay for the full five days but could I'm just think we've got a capital audience there who are doors oriented.

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I'll leave that with you maybe you've already explored that.

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Or okay I'd like to hear you.

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Thank you through you, Mary.

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That's something that we definitely can explore.

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I don't know that we have already last year we did have some interesting doing swimming lessons for only a few days.

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That was under the understanding that they would not receive a swimmer level they would not graduate from that swim level because they simply did not have enough time to.

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Completed but we could definitely explore something like that.

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And the only other comment I would make is on your front page on the highlights you say the.

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Twenty twenty five a quarter program operated a loss of forty seven thousand.

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I would be face that operated at a cost of forty seven thousand dollars and I don't I'm not comfortable with this profit and loss model.

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We don't we don't see we built a road at a loss of four hundred thousand dollars so just a comment.

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Point.

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I think.

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Good.

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Joyce.

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I'll just further on.

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The registrations are they hundred percent west square or do we take some people outside of west square.

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And if so.

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Because the cost to run the program.

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That affects them the tax base was just wondering about maybe additional user fee for additional fees if if the children are outside of west gray.

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So it's just kind of wondering if it's limited just west gray or outside of that as well.

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We do accept enrollments from anybody, but in the future we can certainly look at having an extra fee for those outside of west gray.

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I don't have any figures on me right now, but if you were interested, I could get figures on the percentages of west gray residents and non west gray residents to our.

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or swimming lessons in twenty twenty five.

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So.

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And related to non municipal.

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I think we're pretty focused on our useers of our services.

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It's a discussion we've had internally I think we've roped it loosely at this council before about that and I think if that something council wants to look at I think that might be something we want to look at comprehensively because.

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a new new or correct, when there is a cost to a service that we are providing, and there is

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an impact on our West Gray ratepayers, perhaps subsidizing ratepayers from other municipalities.

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However, that would have to go across the board. We talked about the fitness center. We talked

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about who uses our facilities, and what does that look like, and then there's the whole other

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thing that if you start to do that, do you lose your user? So it's a big philosophical debate,

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and I would argue that this shouldn't, if we decide if Council would like us to explore,

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that probably shouldn't be a one-off or swimming lessons, or any program, but look at it across

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the board, and it's something we could consider.

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So maybe just investigating with other municipalities, just to get kind of the feeling of how

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everyone's treated then. Because again, I don't want to stop these children from learning

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out of swim, but I was just thinking because of the impact on the tax dollar, you know, to be equitable.

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Thank you. Okay, anything else? If we could, I guess, one of the biggest things obvious,

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very obvious, but whatever reason, the summer student program, we didn't get the funding last year.

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I, you know, it's one of those flips of the coin type of thing, and that's basically $10,000

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right there that affects the bottom line on that cost of what it costs for the program. The other

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interesting one was that I'm thinking that what's it in here, yes, but...

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The historical factor, the swim lessons were offered as long ago as 1994, and that might have been

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when Councillor Hutchison maybe he was in it then. But historical records, if we could find

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the historical records, I think even Ms. Might might see that it predates that by quite a bit,

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because I had, my sister was a light guard in the program, and that was back in the late 70s.

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And we had another counselor here and her daughter was one of the life guards, and I think

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that was back into the early 70s, late 60s that Ms. Rayburn was a light guard. So, I don't

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know whether 1994 or 1984 might be closer to swim lessons have been had. And one of the

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in it was former counselor, Lawrence, that always said yes, and to your point, Councillor Nunn,

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00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:25,680
with the amount of water bodies that we have in West Gray swimming in open water is dramatically

416
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different in learning how to swim in open water. It's dramatically different than Jet

417
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:39,120
Climate, Clamp at Learning to swim in a sea map pool, but in our sea map on, and it certainly

418
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:47,200
is, and I think that being where we are in learning to swim in open water is an necessity as well, too.

419
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,880
So, anyways, I've generated another question from Councillor Hutchison.

420
00:46:53,680 --> 00:47:00,800
Doug, just to go back to the user feed thing, I just cautioned when we look at that. I know there's

421
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,640
historically there's been some issues around user fees with local municipalities, crossing orders,

422
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and using their facilities, and so on. So, I'd say we have precautions on that, but I know

423
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:18,160
what some areas do also is they do delayed registration program. So, their residents get the first

424
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:24,000
kick at the cat, and then at two weeks later, non-residents can register for some of the program. So,

425
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,720
I think that's another option that we could use so that you don't stymie, maybe people from outside

426
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,840
there that want to get involved in something, but they don't maybe, they can't take to place of some of

427
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,840
our residents in the program. So, just just something to look at. Thank you.

428
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:49,280
Priority registration. Okay. All right. I don't believe that it really is, well, there is

429
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:58,240
the recommendation here is for the increase in fees to get them back up to where they were,

430
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:05,680
because it hasn't been adjusted since 2021, and we know that inflation is probably greater than the

431
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,520
five percent since 2021. So, the recommendation is there, just anybody want to move that,

432
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but I'll tell you this. Councillor Shea and Councillor Forster. Thank you very much.

433
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,840
Any further questions or comments? Call the question, all those in favor.

434
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:31,680
Any opposed? That is carried. Thank you. Thank you, just. Carly.

435
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Okay. And according to the groundhog, spring will be here really soon. So, swimming lessons can

436
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:53,120
start early this year. Thank you, ladies. Down to, that's the 10.1, 10.2 senior planner.

437
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Mr. Rappki. You have a request for land development security.

438
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:10,000
And point 2.1, Matt. Good morning. We received a request from the owner of the Crawford subdivision.

439
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:18,080
He would like us to be able to accept lots or land just in general to be conveyed to the municipality

440
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,760
and held as security in the same way we would take cash or letter accredited or bonds.

441
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Got all this detail in the report, but effectively like the concept of security, we take it

442
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,840
because people don't only say they're going to do what they, people don't always do what they say they're

443
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,120
going to do. People sometimes fail unintentionally, especially in the case of a subdivision.

444
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,400
Once you registered that subdivision and it's deposited at the land registry office,

445
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:53,600
all of those individual lots now become legally conveyable parcels before the road is constructed.

446
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Maybe even before it's even started constructed, certainly before it becomes assumed.

447
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,360
When that happens, that road actually does become municipal property immediately, even if the

448
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,880
municipality hasn't assumed it. So, the concept is if the municipality is clearing those conditions and

449
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,520
allowing that to be deposited, they've taken some security so they can ensure that that road

450
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,720
gets constructed and that anyone who buys those parcels isn't holding a useless piece of land that

451
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:25,840
you can't develop upon because the road isn't built. So, the request does present some risk.

452
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:33,840
The value of land lands not as liquid as cash, re-bond or a letter of credit. What is the value of land?

453
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:42,240
It fluctuates a bit, but when we ponder why we take security and what you could do with land, there is

454
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:49,040
value in it, you can liquidate it. So, we've thought through the concept and they're proposing that we do

455
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:56,400
accept that with some conditions. One being that any land that is taken by the municipality

456
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:03,520
already fronts an improved public highway. So, we wouldn't accept a backlot that will have frontage on an

457
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:09,040
improved street once the development is built because that's useless as security at the development fails.

458
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:14,640
This is not worth anything, right? But if a development has lots that already fronts like in this

459
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,520
scenario and Crawford, the front view lock, there's a couple of lots there that are free and clear. They don't

460
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,480
even really the subdivision agreement doesn't hardly pertain to them because they're developable now.

461
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,600
So, those have value, those would be easily sellable by the municipality if they had to be liquidated to

462
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:37,600
cover costs. So, we could accept that as security provided it is appraised by a professional and then we only

463
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:45,200
value, give them credit for 50% of the appraised value to account for any fluctuations in costs and

464
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,400
the difficulties in having to liquidate that. I've also suggested to hear that if we're doing that,

465
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:57,120
we take $50,000 cash to pay for any immediate expenses because you're not going to be able to sell that land

466
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:04,880
immediately. And then that we have to actually talk to a lawyer and figure out the procedural aspects of

467
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:11,600
how the municipality takes title and what that agreement looks like that would have a condition on it

468
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:17,040
relating to when that gets liquidated or how the land is returned to the developer because I do not believe

469
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,520
that the subdivision agreement itself is the right tool. The municipality might have to hold this

470
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,320
and trust somehow for the developer with conditions relating and might be a separate thing registered on

471
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,120
title. And we don't know that yet and we have it looked into it because we wanted to present this to council

472
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,640
for their opinion on the concept in the first place. So I'll stop there and wait for in questions.

473
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:48,000
And there are there any questions? Councillor Shea. Yeah. Yes, I've got a few. You said the value of the land

474
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:58,000
is fluctuates. It's not as steadiest cash or a bond or a letter. I would suggest that in the case that

475
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,240
the developer fails in the development service bankrupt, that the value of the land, even the ones

476
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:15,920
that are facing an existing road, could fluctuate dramatically. People invest in a development pre-building

477
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,200
because they want to be part of the community. It looks like it's going to be a great, attractive

478
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,680
community, but if it's only a handful of houses facing the road and the rest of it's going to be vacant

479
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:34,160
lots sitting in a bans for decades, you know, the value of the land becomes very unstable.

480
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:43,040
The, you said that the typical arrangement is cash, bond or letter of surety or letter of

481
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:49,200
something like that. So those letters or bonds would typically be issued by some sort of a financial

482
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:57,040
organization, bank or mortgage company or something like that. When they issue that, they generate

483
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:04,960
profit. They issue that, you know, and get a fee or a percentage from the developer or whoever's

484
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:11,360
requesting this letter. So that they say, yes, you've got a million dollars worth of land here,

485
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:17,280
we will say that we would guarantee you for a half a million dollars in cash in the case. You need it,

486
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:24,000
everything goes fine. The development goes ahead. Nothing is required. The bond doesn't have to ever

487
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:31,120
come into effect. But they get a profit. They get to generate revenue on that transaction. Is there a

488
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,560
revenue for us to generate, take, we're essentially taking on this bond ourselves. So will we be able

489
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:43,200
to make a profit on the bond the same way that that bondholder would? It's one of my questions.

490
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:54,320
That's not what I've proposed here. You could theoretically do that. They're doing that spread across

491
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,960
hundreds of not thousands of properties. They make a risk profile and they collect insurance premium from

492
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:09,280
a developer. You might pay 10,000 bucks a year on a $300,000 bond. And then sometimes they are having to

493
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:16,400
liquidate self and pay out. But they're blending it over all kinds of things. It's just us with one

494
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,760
property. So that would get complicated. I mean, theoretically you can do that. The point here is to

495
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,720
I would suggest we either do it or we don't and not get into something like that or you adjust the

496
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,200
value that you're valuing the property at. So if it's valued at 200 grand or only you can grow

497
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:41,680
and it's worth a hundred that you would tinker with that and then mount your taking as security rather

498
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,240
than lump overlaying another element of where you're going to pay us 10,000 extra bucks every year for

499
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:51,200
this and that. I think that would complicate it a bit and that we can we can just vary how much we're

500
00:55:51,200 --> 00:56:01,920
actually taking as security. So my overarching perspective is that those companies that do that are relatively

501
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,560
good at what they do. We don't typically do that. Another municipalities according to your report don't

502
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:13,840
typically do this either. So I'm going to bet we're not as good at doing it. And I like the idea that if they

503
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:20,480
need that security, they should go to a professional company to secure that. That's the standard practice.

504
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,560
I don't know why we would be getting into this line of business that we're not really

505
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:34,320
equipped for. I think there's risk in such a financial risk it's the risk of being in a messy

506
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:45,120
relationship. If that development fails and we're seeing as being a partner on some level or another

507
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:53,520
in that failure I think that would sort of look bad on us. So my overall perspective is that you've asked

508
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,440
for a go or no sort of response. I would say no.

509
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:13,760
Any carry? Just to sort of focus the purpose of the money that if we had to sell these lots

510
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,400
isn't to make a profit at all it would just be to complete the road and then the rest of the

511
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:27,600
development could basically go ahead. Once that once we create that road then those lots could be sold.

512
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:35,280
So our objective with trying to get security would be if the developer walks away we have enough

513
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:42,640
funds to complete the road construction. And that's all we're trying to we're not trying to profit laws.

514
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,840
Make money on it on the whole subdivision. We're just wanting to try to ensure we have enough funds

515
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:56,080
available if we liquidate those lots that we're talking about the that are in front on a road

516
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,840
to complete the road construction. That's just so that that's the what we're trying to mitigate our

517
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:07,920
risk against is the cost of finishing the road construction and getting the value to put towards that.

518
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,920
Just to try to put perspective on.

519
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,360
Yeah and I didn't include it in this report because it gets a lot longer but

520
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:23,520
you know it relates to the discussion. The bigger element that we have control over is how much we're

521
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,760
taking as security and the practice has been 40% for a lot of stuff.

522
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:35,280
I would suggest that that poses a bigger risk than accepting land as security as a concept and if we

523
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:42,320
want to fully mitigate we crank that up to 100 for the offsite stuff that needs to be done and then this

524
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:49,920
actually would potentially give you 200% value as security if you're taking land and only valuing

525
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:56,400
it at 50% and you're requiring a 100% provided the land value doesn't dip. You actually have a pile of

526
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,880
extra equity then if you liquidate it and you don't get to keep it it has to go back to the developer

527
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:06,240
anything that's left over. But that is a bigger variable than my mind for for

528
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:12,320
you know mitigating your risk exposure is the amount that you require as security rather than

529
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,280
the. What is provided as security that what is provided is just you know is it is a properly valued

530
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,760
and it's a very liquid right and that's why I have suggested you just go half it's a nice easy number

531
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:29,040
puts in a big buffer and it makes it easy on the developer too and again it would only be for

532
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:34,240
lots that are free and clear like I and this Crawford example I don't think that the lots that

533
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,800
would be taken would be impacted all that much by the back part not being developed because they're

534
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,200
just like any other severed lot off of a front of anything right like it has value in and of itself

535
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:49,200
of being able to put a house on there anyway so those are some extra thoughts on that.

536
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000
Councillor Hutchison.

537
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:00,240
Yeah I don't I don't see it as being a big issue. I think I think.

538
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,000
We're being creative for one thing and I think given the economic times right now, it's a way of us encouraging builders to continue to move forward and whatnot.

539
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:25,000
But I do think that number five and your recommendations that we obtain satisfactory legal advice, I think that's wise that we, you know, we talk to our lawyers and make sure everybody's to think, but otherwise I don't have a problem with it, I think it's, I think it could be a good business force.

540
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000
You can.

541
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Councillor Nun, try.

542
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:37,000
Um, they only follow up with Councillor Hutchinson.

543
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:43,000
The fees and for the lawyer who's going to pick up those because if we're investigating something

544
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:51,000
not the developers requesting, I think the developer needs to pick up any of those

545
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,000
because associated with trying to put something like this in place.

546
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,000
I, too, I think there's, there's just too many unknowns.

547
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:05,000
I know when our director of finance said, like, at the developer walks away from it.

548
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:11,000
So if they walk away from it, we have the collateral from the locks to finish the road,

549
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:17,000
who happens to all the locks then, like, if the developers walked away,

550
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,000
it happens to all the locks.

551
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Like, I don't understand all the concepts of this.

552
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:32,000
So I'm, I'm just to share, too, and share about really wanting to support this sort of transaction.

553
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,000
There's just too many unknowns, I feel.

554
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,000
Matt, you want to?

555
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,000
Yes, I think there's kind of two questions in there.

556
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:48,000
This is number five who pays for the legal advice, and then what happens to the lot.

557
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:53,000
So in the paying for the legal advice, and I discuss this with Carl, who's obviously not here,

558
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,000
his thought was, this would be like a policy thing.

559
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,000
You pay for it.

560
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,000
That's out of the municipal legal budget as we're developing policy.

561
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,000
I would leave that to Councillor.

562
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,000
We have a strong feeling, out of direction.

563
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,000
If, you know, you provide direction that we build this back to the developer here,

564
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,000
but it is policy that would move forward and apply to everybody, right?

565
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,000
So there is kind of a benefit broader to the municipality here on this.

566
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000
And then what happens to the locks?

567
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:25,000
So if everyone can picture the, the Crawford subdivision in your mind, right?

568
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,000
The one's fronting new lock, for example, would be security.

569
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,000
So let's say they only need to give us to provide this efficient amount of security.

570
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,000
And then there's whatever eight more locks that front onto new lock that they own.

571
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,000
And then they own all the ones in behind still.

572
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,000
So when they give us the security, they actually have to do a reference plan.

573
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,000
They give us those two locks.

574
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,000
The other ones still haven't been created yet.

575
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000
We now have security.

576
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000
We signed an agreement.

577
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,000
Subdivision gets deposited now because they've got to slide the conditions.

578
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,000
All those other locks get created.

579
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,000
They can now sell those to whoever.

580
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,000
A lot of people don't buy them until they're sufficient.

581
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,000
Development that has occurred to actually make that road.

582
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
I wouldn't, I don't know other people might.

583
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,000
They're not worth very much.

584
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Everything's just a promise still.

585
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
If that developer went bankrupt.

586
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,000
All of those locks would be owned by whoever owns them at the time.

587
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Some of them might have already been sold.

588
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,000
They might own some of them still.

589
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
We liquidate the ones that front new locks sell those.

590
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,000
Get money that is needed to finish that road.

591
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,000
Finish that road.

592
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,000
And now whoever owns those locks can pull permits as needed.

593
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,000
Which may still be the developer.

594
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,000
They've gone bankrupt.

595
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,000
They've probably been liquidated and sold off to whoever else has.

596
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,000
They have liabilities to, right?

597
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000
But that would be kind of the process there.

598
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,000
So all of those locks could be owned by all kinds of different people.

599
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,000
And then the ones that we would be holding would be sold to whoever.

600
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:52,000
In order to maximize the funds to the municipality to finish that road.

601
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,000
Just to be clear.

602
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Right now we asked the developer.

603
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,000
When any subdivision to put forward a.

604
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,000
$100,000 line of credit or security.

605
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,000
It's cash up front.

606
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,000
Right on that.

607
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000
Yeah.

608
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
This is seen.

609
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:19,000
Instead of them having to go and borrow $100,000.

610
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:25,000
They've got an asset that they can use that we can liquidate.

611
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:30,000
But it allows the developer to have more cash flow.

612
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,000
So that they won't go bankrupt.

613
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Per se.

614
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,000
It's a financial balance.

615
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,000
And it helping the development community use some of the assets.

616
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,000
Other than instead of having a million three.

617
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,000
They have to give them a municipality.

618
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,000
They're at their development before they even sell a lot now.

619
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,000
Because they have to give us security for 200,000.

620
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,000
They're at a million five.

621
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,000
Certainly ties up their working capital.

622
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,000
This is a way to support our development community.

623
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,000
By taking a very.

624
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
And as a finance or said.

625
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,000
Your best investment that it's ever has been is land.

626
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000
Yeah.

627
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,000
It may go down a few bucks today.

628
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000
But it will go up twice as many to more.

629
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,000
So it never gets devalued.

630
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,000
It may be not quite as liquid.

631
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,000
But land at 50% can be sold really quick.

632
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,000
They just wrote anybody.

633
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,000
I.

634
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,000
Yeah.

635
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000
It's.

636
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000
It's a little bit of a novelty.

637
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,000
But it's not something that hasn't been done in different places to mine.

638
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,000
I don't know which.

639
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,000
I think we're not the first municipality to be able to.

640
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Do this.

641
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000
Correct.

642
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Amendment.

643
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:58,000
We have heard that Hanover has done this before.

644
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,000
Yes.

645
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,000
Haven't seen it written on a piece of paper.

646
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,000
But I can confirm that that is what it's done.

647
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,000
In a few other local municipalities.

648
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:15,000
And it's, you know, a way to support and a way to make housing more affordable.

649
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,000
Within our community, which is a big thing as well, too.

650
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,000
If you don't let the bottle.

651
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,000
400,000 put down on us.

652
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000
And it can use one of the assets that you have.

653
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,000
From the developer.

654
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,000
It's good business for them when it's good for the municipality.

655
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,000
I'm getting affordable housing.

656
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,000
It's all of a certain pushy.

657
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,000
Whether it's here.

658
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,000
Whether it's a Queen's Barker.

659
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,000
Whether it's on.

660
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,000
Barblement Hill.

661
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,000
Okay.

662
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,000
Any other questions?

663
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,000
Got.

664
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,000
That's of course.

665
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Thank you.

666
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,000
Are there lots so long you lot that the laneways can go on to me luck?

667
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Because I thought they were supposed to go on to the new road.

668
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000
That's a great question.

669
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,000
The idea would be.

670
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,000
So yes, they they will be front and directly on me luck.

671
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,000
And that's where the lanes will be.

672
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,000
The other road that I don't remember the name of because it's a corner lot, right?

673
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
There's a couple of them.

674
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,000
Yeah, so a couple of them front that road.

675
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,000
But they don't really front it.

676
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,000
That's going to be the back of them.

677
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:19,000
Those I would suggest we would not take a security because if they do front on to the

678
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Concession 10, but if we had to liquidate them, we don't only want the driveway and the house facing the other way, right?

679
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
It's got to face the other way.

680
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,000
So it's kind of not fronting.

681
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,000
There's we would only take ones where you're driveway.

682
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,000
You can get a house permit free and clear in your entrance and no problem without the rest of the sub division

683
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,000
Proceeding is the idea and just for clarity.

684
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,000
For example, this developer could give us.

685
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,000
Crawford lots that are free and clear, fronting new lock.

686
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:55,000
As security for a different development, because it's just like cash that we're holding as collateral and relation to something else,

687
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:04,000
which would all be specified within the development agreement that would relate to a different property, for example, that could theoretically be done.

688
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,000
Okay.

689
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,000
All right.

690
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,000
Jeff.

691
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,000
That's for sure.

692
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,000
So I don't really know how this whole business works at all that well.

693
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:21,000
But when a developer typically requests a bond or a letter, I would have assumed they do not need to

694
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,000
give the issuer of that bond the full cash value of the bond.

695
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,000
That's part of the business of bond writing.

696
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,000
If they were giving them the full cash value of bond, they could just.

697
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,000
Give us the cash that we'll put the cash into an account.

698
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:42,000
So do I have that correct.

699
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,000
Go ahead, Matt.

700
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:51,000
I've only been kind of sort of involved in this on the private side, but effectively it's it's like when you get a mortgage.

701
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,000
You go to the insurer like trasher as one that issues these bonds.

702
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,000
And they put a charge on your property the same way of bank would as a mortgage.

703
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:07,000
And they, you know, they do some assessment of if you've already got a mortgage oftentimes a bond then comes in second position.

704
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:14,000
So it already has more risk associated with it because the mortgage gets paid out first if everything gets liquidated.

705
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,000
The mortgage gets paid out.

706
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,000
Then the bond gets to realize whatever access equity is available in that.

707
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,000
So a lot would be liquidated right for the bond the bond holder pays the municipality.

708
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,000
And then they have to liquidate against the property that they've secured the bond against.

709
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:37,000
So the bond old older than that lock it sold and the mortgage gets paid out.

710
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Then the bond holder gets paid out for whatever that lock got sold for that was used as collateral for that bond.

711
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:50,000
And the meantime the person who took the bond to give it to the municipality they're paying that insurer whatever thousand dollars per year is a premium.

712
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,000
For the risk exposure of the bond holder has having issued that bond if any of that makes sense.

713
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:06,000
So effectively it gets registers equity against a property is how they get their money back out if they need to pay out a bond.

714
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,000
Which is more or less what we would be doing.

715
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,000
Right.

716
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:18,000
So I don't know why we're doing it when there's commercial entities who are in this business and could do it probably more efficiently.

717
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:30,000
So in this one and I think you know I just want to go back to Matt's last recommendation on here number five that says that you know this is an idea that we sort of.

718
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Cook forward for council consideration based on wanting to be that municipality that is receptive to development to councilor shays point a developer can only.

719
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Ensure or get a bond on something that they have an asset to leverage against and there comes a point in time where.

720
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:55,000
They don't have any more assets but the land is the asset and here you go this is yours so.

721
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:16,000
I think the big thing here is if this is something that council is interested in us considering obviously we're not ready to put it into effect right now we need to get legal guidance but we weren't going to even pursue that path until we got direction from council.

722
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:26,000
We're going to ask that the legal guidance also include guidance on the basic machinations of the bond.

723
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:34,000
Market like how this whole thing works financially in the typical scenario.

724
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:45,000
I know the legalities of you know the transfer this way the transfer that way taxes are doing this case they're not doing that case yes I would like to get that legal advice but I think we should probably be if we're getting into this business.

725
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:57,000
We should be more informed about what the out the bond market and the surety market works for real estate development general.

726
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:12,000
Thank you the treachery and I were just chatting about your comment councilor shay and we had a report through I think last year about surety bonds and how those are done and how the province is regulating those.

727
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,000
You all know how our current security cash securities work.

728
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:23,000
I'm just hesitant to get legal advice on the bond market broadly and how that all works.

729
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:37,000
I think our biggest thing is how if council wanted to explore this option how we mitigate our risk to ensure that we are protected by if we chose to take land as collateral.

730
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:51,000
And it opens up I mean it could be a 180 page report on the machinations of the bond market or the surety market and I'm not sure that's a business we need to explore at this point.

731
01:12:51,000 --> 01:13:03,000
Unless we can provide council for further information we can recent the surety report that we talked about that stuff if you want to be informed in that but I'm hesitant to spend.

732
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:12,000
An hourly rate of legal counsel to explore the merits of the bond market.

733
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:21,000
Hey maracles is true you I think it's I think it's very cradle and I can certainly support because I think.

734
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:29,000
I think you know once we get our legal advice on it but I don't think we're really minimize the the risk we're taking the premium lots that we know are.

735
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:35,000
We're only assessing that 50% so if it's two or three whatever number of problems we need.

736
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:46,000
That can be developed great well we could we'll say about if you want but I think it's pretty creative and I think it's also it's showing a partnership with.

737
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:58,000
With this developer and in setting the the path for other ones to come forward to attract more development in West Gray which is desperately needed obviously so I'm going to certainly support this.

738
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:03,000
Thank you.

739
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:24,000
Thank you say this all goes the get a agreement in place and security with the legalities and so on so forth so we have these lots what if all of a sudden now there's such a big interest in the lots that we've got secured.

740
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:30,000
With West Gray and they want to buy them how do you handle something like that and.

741
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Like would it be the municipality selling it or would it be the developer how would you handle that.

742
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:49,000
So if I understand correctly I think the idea is things are going going sweet for the developer and someone wants to buy those lots so they want them back so and that's scenario they just swap out.

743
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:54,000
They give us cash the cash value that they always for the security and then they get title back to the.

744
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:00,000
To the lots would be that that would happen at some point they just kind of like we got to follow up with the lawyer.

745
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:30,000
Is we're not going to develop those and if everything goes great, the idea is they would go back to them, right? And then they sell them to whoever, right? So that would be how much security is left at that point that we need, because maybe they're done the road by that point. Maybe the road's all done. Everything's good. Okay, can we get our lots of facts? We want to build those once now, right? And maybe there's zero doubt, and they don't, there's 10% holdback or something like that. So then they give us the 10% cash and they get the lots back. We'll kind of be how that goes.

746
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Okay, very good discussion. We've got the motion moved. Let's think that that would be an important note. Councilor Thompson.

747
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,000
I would like to move the recommendations as presented in the report.

748
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,000
Thank you.

749
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,000
Thank you. I have a second.

750
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,000
Deputy Mayor Hutchison, thank you.

751
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,000
Any further questions on the on the motion?

752
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,000
Joyce.

753
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:14,000
I'd like to support it, but I don't like the way it only if it has council.

754
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:29,000
That in consideration the staff report developer request land as development security, council direct staff to allow land to be used as security and relation to development group agreements provided that.

755
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:43,000
It's just the way that's worded there that I'd like to support it that we allow staff to investigate one through five and then bring it back to us to support land as security.

756
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:50,000
That's my only objection.

757
01:16:50,000 --> 01:17:01,000
And I think it's just a word in clarification. We're wondering if anything. Joyce, my understanding is, yeah, that's the Michelle and Matt will set.

758
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:06,000
This is what we're going to go forward to the lawyer.

759
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:20,000
And yeah, none of this will happen until after they get legal advice and bring it back to us that if the legal and it was a positive way, this is what we're going to do to be able to set it in place.

760
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,000
So it doesn't allow it to happen.

761
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,000
We're passing the motion and tomorrow.

762
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,000
But the developer consensus, well, here's three lots. No.

763
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:36,000
We're going to go to the lawyer and figure it out and would come back to us to show.

764
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,000
Is that that's my understanding of the way this.

765
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,000
Recommendations written up.

766
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:52,000
And perhaps the clerk can assist here but my thought was this is kind of council saying you're good with all of this provided.

767
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:59,000
We do have all these conditions and then we go to a lawyer. So we'll go and talk to the lawyer and the lawyer says.

768
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:04,000
There's no way you can do that with a title instrument. There's this is no goal and we're okay.

769
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Sorry, can't do it come back to you. Hey, for the lawyers is, yeah, it's all good here's how you do it.

770
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:20,000
At that point that my thought is we wouldn't come back and say, hey, are you still good with it. It's we've got satisfaction opinion from a lawyer that it can definitely be done through this legal instrument.

771
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:28,000
And we make sure that all these other provisions are contained with the agreement. How we do that.

772
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,000
Yes.

773
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:47,000
Further to that, though, then there's again still the cost factor that's putting on to the municipality to get this legal advice. I still feel if this is something the developer wants to pursue that maybe they need to pick up some of those costs.

774
01:18:48,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Thank you. If I may respond to that, I think this is part of our overall approach of the municipality to be innovative and correct economic development investment in the community.

775
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:16,000
And I would suggest that if that's council wants to pursue that this is an investment, the municipality should make in policy direction because that this would be available to any developer who came forward.

776
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:32,000
And would meet those same criteria and I think it's been an interesting opportunity to work with one specific developer here, but I think the entire community could benefit if we can find a way to move this forward.

777
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:38,000
And different correct mental wrong career map.

778
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:47,000
This is the overall, this is what we're going to do when it comes to each individual developer.

779
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:53,000
They will cover the legal cost of transferring any of those lots that would be covered.

780
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,000
This initial part is this is how it's going to be done.

781
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,000
To the developer, you want to put land up the security.

782
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:08,000
There's going to be a legal cost to it in a hundred percent of that cost will be to the developer.

783
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,000
Right. That's yeah.

784
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,000
Good.

785
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,000
I don't want to write today.

786
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,000
Okay.

787
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:26,000
So just to be clear, if we are proving this where it's done, it's not going to come back to council after a legal opinion.

788
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,000
So unless the legal opinion is negative.

789
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,000
But if the legal opinion is as sure this is not a problem, then we won't see it again.

790
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,000
So we're approving it or not approving it today.

791
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:43,000
And I think as I think you said or maybe Matt, that's this is developer policy.

792
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,000
I think this will become the new norm within Westgate.

793
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:52,000
All developers will use this method to secure their developments.

794
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,000
Like why wouldn't they?

795
01:20:53,000 --> 01:21:01,000
This is far cheaper for them than getting bonds and leverage gains and other assets that they have.

796
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:09,000
So I just think we just need to be cognizant that we're sort of switching the way that we support and fund development.

797
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:16,000
It may be that this one works out fine and next one works at fine and next one works at fine and the next one blows up in our face.

798
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:22,000
We don't know how that's all going to work because again, we're not really in that business yet.

799
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:35,000
So maybe after one's blown up in our face, then we will reconsider and see how we think of this going forward.

800
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:44,000
So I hate things blowing up in my face just to get the record clear and haven't thought through this a lot myself and pondered the same thing.

801
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:53,000
The way I settled on it is like, how is this any different than if the development fails and we have to use the cash that they've given us right.

802
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:59,000
And there's a bit more of a pain than liquidating the lot really is what it comes down to and is there enough.

803
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:08,000
Enough value in that to cover everything and to me again, the bigger risk is on the how much are we actually requiring for the security in the first place and that's the one that you'd tinker with.

804
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:24,000
So that's my thought there, but I also don't think this will actually be as common as you might originally think like I've looked at the maps of the other one and it's not that often like in the Crawford one where you have so much flankage and frontage.

805
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:31,000
Touching in a municipal road more often it's like this and the roads here right and you're doing like the cananing one over here.

806
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:47,000
I don't know if it has any lots fronting on an existing improved public highway right so it's it's not as frequent I don't think as we might originally think some thoughts can.

807
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,000
All right.

808
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,000
Questions.

809
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,000
Call the question all of those in favour.

810
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,000
Can you pose.

811
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,000
So we want it that's carried.

812
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,000
All right.

813
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Can we take a nine minute break that the back at 10 30 sorry it's eight minute break it keep on ours going to be even shorter.

814
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,000
Thank you.

815
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Thank you.

816
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,000
Thank you.

817
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,000
Thank you.

818
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000
Thank you.

819
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,000
Thank you.

820
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,000
Thank you.

821
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,000
Thank you.

822
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Thank you.

823
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,000
Thank you.

824
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,000
Thank you.

825
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,000
Thank you.

826
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,000
Thank you.

827
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,000
Thank you.

828
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:58,760
Okay, we're doing pretty good. Back to order.

829
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:16,760
And I believe we're down to 10.3 and would be tax and borrowing by law implications, rectifier finance.

830
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:21,760
Are you carry? Miss Maiden.

831
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:29,760
So we've got the interim tax rate by law. Let's just set the insolment dates.

832
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:40,760
Our regular line of credit borrowing and then also to secure the construction, some of the construction borrowing from the our local bank.

833
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:48,760
At this point we were going to look at infrastructure Ontario, but just with the different processes involved.

834
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:55,760
It's easier for the construction at this point to get it from our local bank and then we'll still find a long term.

835
01:35:55,760 --> 01:36:03,760
Finance and we'll be secured and have a come forward once the project final classroom.

836
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,760
Very good.

837
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:12,760
Any questions for carry on this?

838
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:24,760
There is a recommendation there that we've been forward the 2026 in term tax levies and the borrowing and to me currently expenditures of liability.

839
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:32,760
Move that choice. Thank you, Councillor Nunn and Councillor Hutchison on the other end. Doug.

840
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:36,760
Any questions or comments on the recommendation?

841
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:48,760
Call the question. All those in favor? Any opposed? That's carried.

842
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:54,760
The none brings us down to director legislative services clerk.

843
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,760
Elections report number two.

844
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:01,760
The key to the exciting stuff.

845
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,760
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you.

846
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:09,760
And through the next municipal election for those who may not be aware is on October 26th, 2026.

847
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,760
And the new term of office begins on November 16th, 2026.

848
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:20,760
Candidates can submit their nomination package between May 1st of this year and August 21st.

849
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:27,760
And voters can confirm at or amend their information on the voters list by visiting register to vote.

850
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:33,760
The use of municipal resources for election purposes by law is being updated to address weaknesses in the previous version.

851
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,760
And enhanced clarity, accountability and outcomes.

852
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:43,760
And an election signed by law has been drafted for council's consideration to regulate election signs within West Gray.

853
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:56,760
So the recommendation of the report is that council directs to bring forward and adopt an election signed by law and to repeal and replace by law 0 9 2022 with respect to use of municipal resources during an election.

854
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,760
If council has any questions, I'd be happy to answer anything.

855
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:04,760
And are there any questions from anyone?

856
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,760
Councillor Schae?

857
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:07,760
Yeah.

858
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:16,760
Somewhere in the report, I don't have a right in front of the new talk about the voter roles being managed differently than they were in the past.

859
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:23,760
And you talk about here, people having the opportunity to add confirm or amend their information.

860
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:33,760
Well, with eventual and federal elections, I understand that if you show up to vote and you're not on the voter role and you can demonstrate that you live in that community.

861
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:38,760
You've got to address on it that you can typically vote anyway.

862
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:40,760
Will that be the case with our elections?

863
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,760
Three radicals, yes, that certainly will be the case.

864
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:52,760
This process basically just allows the individuals to register and ensure they're on the voters list so that they receive that voter card in the mail prior to election day.

865
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:57,760
Certainly anyone can still come out on election day to have themselves added to the voters list.

866
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,760
There are some paperwork steps that need to occur.

867
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:09,760
However, that's it's not an issue and certainly anyone who wants to vote that is a resident to our electorate in West Gray would be able to.

868
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:15,760
And further, I scanned the sign by law and it seems to me that it's fairly lenient.

869
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:23,760
It's not going to be a whole lot more restrictive than past years because of some precedence in court.

870
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:32,760
I think signs can't be within a meter of the road, but beyond that, I haven't seen too much further restrictions than existed in the past.

871
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,760
Is that correct?

872
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,760
It's three miracles to counsel not specifically.

873
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,760
So West Gray has to the best of my knowledge not had an election sign by law in the past.

874
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:47,760
So this actually does provide some parameters with respect to election signs by laws.

875
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:57,760
The case of the township of Russell the Armstrong did provide for some findings that municipalities need to be cognizant of with respect to regulating election sign by laws.

876
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:03,760
So this by law was drafted to ensure that individuals charter rights were not being infringed upon.

877
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:22,760
It does regulate the size, the placement duration, things like that, however it's it's in keeping with the charter rights and freedoms to minimize any infractions.

878
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,760
Thank you.

879
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:35,760
On page two where you talk about the election centers as one here at the municipal office and you're going to do one at news did nothing innate.

880
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:42,760
You're not going to do anything innate for one day or anything like that.

881
01:40:43,760 --> 01:41:00,760
Thank you for the question that was discussed and contemplated and looking at previous turnout numbers from the previous election and the staffing numbers that we have it made more sense to have it just at the municipal office and of the New State Community Center as kind of that south end of the municipality to capture anyone from the.

882
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:08,760
A normal in the area and you said that would be interested in coming to those centers to vote.

883
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:15,760
Anything else.

884
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:20,760
If I could from the chair is to quick clarification.

885
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:34,760
On the sign by law number 21, no one official place would be committed to place the election site for municipal election earlier than the nomination date.

886
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:43,760
So the end of the nomination date or the beginning, which is what I first.

887
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:49,760
The three miracles nomination day as defined in the municipal elections act is the third Friday in August.

888
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:50,760
Yeah.

889
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,760
So it's when nominations close.

890
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,760
Then you can put a sign.

891
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:56,760
Yeah.

892
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:57,760
Yeah.

893
01:41:57,760 --> 01:41:59,760
Just for clarification there.

894
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:01,760
Okay.

895
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,760
Any other questions.

896
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:18,760
Well, I believe the James got a recommendation in there with all of that.

897
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:23,760
Move by deputy mayor.

898
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:24,760
Thank you.

899
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:25,760
Thank you.

900
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,760
And second by Councillor Shay.

901
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:28,760
Thank you, Jeff.

902
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:33,760
Any further questions on motion.

903
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:34,760
Seeing none.

904
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:35,760
Call the question.

905
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:40,760
All's in favor.

906
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:41,760
Let's start.

907
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:46,760
So we see some.

908
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:48,760
All right.

909
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,760
That's all for the clerk.

910
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,760
And now down to 10.5.

911
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:55,760
Keep the minister.

912
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:56,760
Officer.

913
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,760
And this will airport costing sharing agreement.

914
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,760
Shall.

915
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:02,760
Thank you.

916
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:04,760
Before you have a report about the.

917
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:07,760
I saw a municipal airport cost sharing agreement.

918
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:13,760
I suspect most council members are more familiar with the history of this than I was prior to this.

919
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:20,760
But as you know, the municipal airport is a joint asset of the municipalities of West Gray and over and brought in.

920
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:28,760
A cost sharing agreement has been in place with the partner municipalities since 2005 to support operations of the airport.

921
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:37,760
The current cost sharing agreement stipulates that each of the three partner municipalities pay a share of the operating costs according to a formula.

922
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:47,760
Which right now has brought campaign approximately 42.7% and over 31% in the municipality of West Gray just under 27%.

923
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:59,760
The municipality of Brockton has been having over the past year or so discussions at their council table about the operation of the airport and its value.

924
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:11,760
And requested all partners meet together and talk about the cost sharing agreement and look at equity transparency and just how it's moving forward.

925
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:25,760
The there's dates in here, but the CAOs of each municipality along with the mayor's of each of the municipalities and the council appointed reps from each municipality have met over the last number of months.

926
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:33,760
And to discuss this agreement and all agreed first of all that the goal of the municipal airport should.

927
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:44,760
To become financially self-sustaining over time and eventually that we want to move towards the municipalities not having to subsidize the airport.

928
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:51,760
I will digress a little bit from the report and note that as deputy mayor Hutchinson will all likely bring forward.

929
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:59,760
The airport commission is working diligently on an economic development strategy with the county about future opportunities.

930
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:00,760
Thank you.

931
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:26,000
At this time, following our collective meetings, it is proposed that the operation of the airport and the cost sharing agreement be updated, effective January 1, 2027, whereby all three municipalities who own the airport would share equally in the operational cost that have been identified.

932
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:32,000
I think it is also that I did not mention in the report in the highlights, but you will see it later on.

933
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:40,000
There are things in the agreement where there are limitations on how much the commission can put forward in their budget.

934
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:46,000
They can't just start with fairly come forward and say next year, we're going to have a 15% increase there.

935
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:51,000
There's a more fluid and transparent reporting mechanism between.

936
01:45:51,000 --> 01:46:08,000
So before you today is the proposed cost sharing agreement that would give all three municipalities an equal share in the cost of the operations effective January 1, 2027.

937
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:12,000
Thank you for sharing any questions or comments.

938
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,000
That's going to be a minute.

939
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,000
Deputy Mayor, that's just going to go ahead.

940
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,000
Okay, thank you, Mayor.

941
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,000
Thank you, too.

942
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:29,000
Madam CAO and yourself and all the other members that sat in, you know, in those meetings and I think we're going to have a very good spot there.

943
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:37,000
And I think the, the whole philosophy here is really to continue to move forward and evolve on that strategic plan that we have for development.

944
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:41,000
And I think the focus is development and to get to.

945
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:54,000
I don't we're going to try to get to a point it's not going to have overnight as Madam CAO said, but our focus will be to eventually have no levy dollars going towards the airport itself sufficient stands on its own.

946
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,000
And then it becomes.

947
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:02,000
Obviously a growing asset so it's it's an investment and work work.

948
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,000
I just want to say.

949
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,000
That we didn't have.

950
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:11,000
After we've done all this in our last meeting, we didn't have an individual come forward.

951
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:20,000
Which is very interesting and we'll have an information by the end of this month that he's going to be selecting to develop a hanger with a business coming, which is airport related.

952
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,000
So pretty exciting.

953
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:26,000
And we can do it with the existing with a whole bunch of investment and templates structure one or so.

954
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:35,000
It looks like we're in the for running a being the selected location for the for that business and we have other opportunities coming so.

955
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:38,000
Revenue neutral is the whole plan.

956
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:45,000
No municipal.

957
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,000
Tax.

958
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,000
No municipal support.

959
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:52,000
It will be a stand along revenue.

960
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:53,000
Council of shape.

961
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:54,000
And then.

962
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:56,000
Yes, I've moved with that mirror.

963
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,000
Yeah, but that only that's on the table.

964
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,000
That's.

965
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:00,000
I don't have it.

966
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,000
But what's on the table here.

967
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:03,000
I think is.

968
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:13,000
A really justment of the percentages and a commitment to seeing likely 3% increases going forward.

969
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:18,000
Into the foreseeable future plus discussion about.

970
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,000
Capital investment.

971
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,000
Five year capital plan.

972
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:27,000
I'm assuming that capital plan is going to require some sort of further investment.

973
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:31,000
Outside of the 3% operating.

974
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,000
So I'm.

975
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,000
I'm.

976
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:40,000
The existing a cost sharing arrangement was based on a formula that was.

977
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:48,000
I never studied it, but I'm familiar with the general principle and that is that it was somehow based on usage by.

978
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:56,000
Citizens within the three municipalities and West grade paid somewhat less because less people was great used it.

979
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,000
I thought that was a sound.

980
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:06,000
And model and I don't know why we would devate not I understand why Brock didn't want to devate because they are currently paying the highest.

981
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,000
But they also get the property tax from the airport as well.

982
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:14,000
So I think they're they're coming out pretty sweet under the existing arrangement.

983
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:21,000
So I would like to suggest that we stick with the existing arrangement until we've seen these business development plans.

984
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:26,000
Capital five year capital plans and and the move towards.

985
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,000
No, no, minutes full support.

986
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:32,000
If that happens in three or four years.

987
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,000
Great.

988
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:38,000
The fact that we're paying 27 or 33 is going to be.

989
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:39,000
Be relevant.

990
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:42,000
So I think we should do things the way they are.

991
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,000
And encourage the airport to move as.

992
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:55,000
As quickly and and as efficiently as they are towards achieving that financial independence.

993
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,000
Go on.

994
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,000
Further.

995
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:58,000
Go.

996
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,000
How does it kind of can start?

997
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,000
Yeah.

998
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:04,000
Well, I think what I read here.

999
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,000
I think it's a.

1000
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,000
It's well, laid out and I think there's.

1001
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,000
Lost potential.

1002
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,000
I've always said that the airport.

1003
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,000
I think the airport is a bit of a hidden hidden gem for us.

1004
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,000
I think there's lots of potential there.

1005
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:18,000
But I like the fact that in the agreement.

1006
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,000
There's options for.

1007
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:24,000
Well, first of all, the cost sharing I think it's it's good to get that balance.

1008
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:28,000
But it's also options for if there's a private partner comes once they get involved.

1009
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:31,000
If they decide to sell the airport down the road.

1010
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:35,000
So I think it opens up a lot of different avenues.

1011
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,000
Rather than saying this is this is all we're going to do.

1012
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,000
We're just going to run the airport and hopefully it becomes self sufficient.

1013
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,000
I think there's lots of opportunities to.

1014
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:46,000
To move and to come up with new ideas or.

1015
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
New growth and so on.

1016
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,000
So I like what I see in this and I'd be willing to support it.

1017
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:52,000
I think it's.

1018
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:59,000
It's a good way and I think that hopefully the airport will continue and I think it will become a viable operation as we move forward.

1019
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,000
Thank you.

1020
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,000
That was a close.

1021
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,000
Thanks.

1022
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,000
Just just wondering are just questioning.

1023
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:13,000
If all three municipalities are treated as equal partners and.

1024
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:16,000
Are paying the same amount into the airport.

1025
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:17,000
But yet.

1026
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:21,000
Brockton is the receiver of the property tax.

1027
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,000
Therefore they're getting.

1028
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,000
More money back there.

1029
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,000
They're technically in a round of a way.

1030
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:34,000
They're paying less than everybody else because they're getting property tax paid for by by us.

1031
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:38,000
So I'm just wondering if there's a little bit of an offset there.

1032
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:39,000
That's.

1033
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:45,000
That's one of my things in and to cancel the chase point to and a cost sharing.

1034
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:55,000
It to me, yeah, cost sharing is almost similar to what we do with with smart when it comes down to what we get from each in each.

1035
01:51:55,000 --> 01:52:02,000
Municipality it's based on the usage within that municipality and whatnot to where.

1036
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:08,000
It it orchestrates how much each municipality has to pay into it.

1037
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:13,000
So just just some thoughts.

1038
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,000
Tom.

1039
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,000
You.

1040
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:18,000
That big miracles in through you to.

1041
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,000
Excuse me, councilor towns.

1042
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:24,000
So that question was raised and it's a great question.

1043
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,000
But the response there and we know what we all landed on was that.

1044
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,000
Yes, the physical addresses and brought them.

1045
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:34,000
But part of fact.

1046
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:38,000
Levy's that are collected half to one, you know, the hospital.

1047
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,000
They have police.

1048
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,000
There's all those extra components.

1049
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,000
So yeah, it's not that they collected.

1050
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:47,000
It's still part of their whole tax.

1051
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:50,000
Let me system if you won't for collection overall.

1052
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,000
So that would you know, we we did talk about that.

1053
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,000
Now as far as we can't call development.

1054
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,000
The church because there is none at that airport.

1055
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:58,000
So call CIP.

1056
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:02,000
But we we're not to say that DC word there or words, if you will.

1057
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:08,000
So that's another revenue stream or us that we can discuss where that would be self-generated.

1058
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:14,000
So there will be on what that part there that development, any future development.

1059
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:19,000
We're more focused on life leases and not selling the actual land.

1060
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:23,000
And that's how we're going to and that will be an ongoing monthly.

1061
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:27,000
So the whole idea of the three percent in what we're.

1062
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:32,000
What everybody's cost is is to have more businesses come in to develop.

1063
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:36,000
Those life leases will actually minimize.

1064
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,000
The cost of the cost of software.

1065
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:41,000
But that's our direction of focus.

1066
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,000
But it was a good question.

1067
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,000
And we did talk about that.

1068
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,000
But I think in essence that was kind of a response.

1069
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:52,000
I'm from the Brockton site and I think we all supported that.

1070
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:56,000
The other thing here is that we're all in line now with this MOU and this new agreement.

1071
01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:02,000
And this is going to allow Steve for Nass and Luigi that have been working with us through the.

1072
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,000
At the county level.

1073
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,000
And we have this, you know, we have an MOU.

1074
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:10,000
This is enabling them to get out and talk to infrastructure Ontario.

1075
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:16,000
And you know, minimize some of the, you know, challenges we have there as well as getting some significant businesses that are very.

1076
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:20,000
And businesses that are very attracted and very.

1077
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,000
Very motivated to develop.

1078
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:25,000
And again, it's all around airport related or aviation.

1079
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:28,000
If you will, it's quite a few businesses looking.

1080
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,000
So I think there's a.

1081
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,000
By landing where we are.

1082
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,000
Our focus is to get what we can.

1083
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,000
We have a developer land immediately.

1084
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,000
And one of the stock would be a lot of rest there, not a lot of investment cost.

1085
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:43,000
You have to take on some of the bigger basics is going to be.

1086
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:46,000
You know, come up with something again, whether it's alone through infrastructure.

1087
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,000
So I think to.

1088
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,000
I think we're moving in the right direction.

1089
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:52,000
Again, I could say that individual coming to us that the last meeting.

1090
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:56,000
We'll know in a couple weeks that that's a thing that we can step forward from where we were.

1091
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:01,000
And we can attract to our three other ones within what we can currently do.

1092
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:02,000
We're going to have some.

1093
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,000
And obviously, long term.

1094
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,000
It can't be financially coming to us on a likely concept.

1095
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:09,000
So.

1096
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:10,000
Thank you.

1097
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,000
Okay, anybody else.

1098
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,000
There is the recommendation there.

1099
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,000
And.

1100
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:26,000
And.

1101
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,000
So we have to move that.

1102
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,000
There.

1103
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,000
There.

1104
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,000
Thank you.

1105
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:32,000
Back in here.

1106
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,000
Don't start.

1107
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:34,000
Just.

1108
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,000
There.

1109
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:36,000
Just.

1110
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:37,000
Just.

1111
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:39,000
Any further questions or comments.

1112
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,000
All the questions.

1113
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:46,000
All those.

1114
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,000
Those.

1115
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,000
That's carried.

1116
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,000
Okay.

1117
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,000
That's it for staff reports.

1118
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,000
Questions.

1119
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,000
Any.

1120
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:03,000
Any.

1121
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:04,000
Any.

1122
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,000
Any.

1123
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:06,000
Any.

1124
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,000
Any.

1125
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,000
Any.

1126
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,000
Any.

1127
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,000
Any.

1128
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:12,000
Any.

1129
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,000
Would notice emotions with you previously given.

1130
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:16,000
I'm not aware that we have any on.

1131
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,000
Thank you.

1132
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:18,000
Jamie.

1133
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:20,000
And he noticed emotion.

1134
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:22,000
Down to announcements.

1135
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Anyone have any announcements.

1136
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,000
Councilor tons.

1137
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,000
Both.

1138
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,000
Just want to.

1139
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,000
Of.

1140
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:37,000
Think the nature landscape bike click for getting on another great.

1141
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,000
steak barbecue on Saturday night.

1142
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:40,000
I think the.

1143
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:58,000
The bulk of council was there supporting that and it was a great time and a great meal and it's great to see them carry on a tradition that was started many years ago by the former Lions Club.

1144
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:08,000
Just for everybody that's clear out there, yes, I believe there was at least five council members there, but we did not sit at the same table.

1145
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,000
Okay.

1146
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:20,000
No, it was, yeah, they revised the Lions Club down and done a great job for the community excellent.

1147
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,000
Councillor Shea. Excuse me, Jeff.

1148
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:29,000
I just wanted to report this. I along with a couple of other council members attended at Roamock a couple of weeks ago.

1149
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:35,000
You know, enlightening as ever. There's lots of information to be greened.

1150
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:45,000
We did see Doug Ford talking about lamenting about the new China Electric Vehicle Deal and didn't think that was a great deal.

1151
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:55,000
I don't know what our canola farmers think of the deal, but Ford did later in his speech say that he understood that it was important to work with the federal government, with the Prime Minister.

1152
01:57:55,000 --> 01:58:01,000
And so it was nice to see that, you know, rank, that sort of ranker hasn't crept into our politics.

1153
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:07,000
You know, we can we can disagree, but still be civil. That was encouraging.

1154
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:21,000
I went to a couple of things that were enlightening one on public health that I attended with council Hutchison and the general message was when public health is working.

1155
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:27,000
And so if we're not hearing a lot about public health, that's a good sign.

1156
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:32,000
And so I think it's important to recognize the job that those people are doing.

1157
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:41,000
Another one on rural vitality through our culture, which I've attended almost every year. It's very similar routine every year.

1158
01:58:42,000 --> 01:59:02,000
I want to support to that. We presented delegations. The mayor was very capable arguing our case to the parliamentary assistant at M&R about aggregates and the need to improve the relationship between municipalities and aggregate producers and aggregate policy.

1159
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:11,000
We did get a chance to interject about the three, they were aware of the three current applications that are pending and under review.

1160
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:22,000
And we were able to highlight that they are all moved very closely together and close to the soggy river, which is created concerns for residents and they said that they would take that into consideration.

1161
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:27,000
So they wrote it down. So I'm pleased by that.

1162
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:30,000
Minister Jones, Minister of Health.

1163
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:37,000
You know, seems to have a very good handle on the complexity of the health care system within the province.

1164
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:44,000
You know, she, she said, you know, we could solve your your hospital problem in a minute.

1165
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:49,000
We would just have to cut all sorts of other health services through the province.

1166
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:55,000
So she says she's trying to be a balancing act and that she doesn't want to be the minister that is known for closing hospitals.

1167
01:59:55,000 --> 02:00:00,000
So I thought that was a quote, worked right in down. She did say that if you.

1168
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,000
We want a municipality to be involved in advocating for better health care in your community. You might want to engage with local health hubs.

1169
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:20,000
And I think again, I think that Doug was that thing that we went to up at Walters Falls, was that a health hub sort of meeting.

1170
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:25,000
Yeah, so we attended that at four or five six months ago.

1171
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:30,000
And a lot of health professionals from the region there.

1172
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:39,000
And I think the upshot was the solution to the health crisis is going to be more provincial funding.

1173
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:45,000
So I'm not sure if the minister wanted us to go and hear that message at the health hub and from both that message,

1174
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:48,000
but we're all doing what we can.

1175
02:00:51,000 --> 02:01:02,000
Yeah, we also met with the talk about this, this, the conservation authority and the organization, but I'll let anybody else who cares to speak with that.

1176
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:05,000
Thank you.

1177
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:07,000
Now, of course.

1178
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:08,000
Scott.

1179
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:12,000
All right, I want to speak about other issues.

1180
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:17,000
Um, more community dinners coming out that will community service associations.

1181
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:25,000
Wait, first wing night of the season is Friday, February 13th, 537 at the Community Center Basement.

1182
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:30,000
And then the Newstiline Club has a wing night coming up on February 28.

1183
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:38,000
6 to 10 at the Newstil Community Center and Springcraft show for Newstit registration started yesterday.

1184
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:46,000
Is it already sold out?

1185
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:51,000
Thank you. If I may, um, we have actually put in a new process.

1186
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,000
I think it was shared with you.

1187
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,000
This will be a jury show.

1188
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,000
So there will be an intake window.

1189
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,000
First priority will be given to local residents, et cetera.

1190
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:09,000
So the rush to first pass the pay plate or or pass the gate poster, whatever was becoming problematic,

1191
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:16,000
because it became a people had technological issues and we're not sure that that was the measure of success that we sold out in 45 minutes.

1192
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:24,000
We want to make sure that given that this is a municipal undertaking supported by community groups that we give first rights.

1193
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:37,000
So there's a very comprehensive and we think a much more fair and transparent approach to this, which I'm quite delighted about actually so all the information on the website, if anybody is interested.

1194
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:42,000
Anything else, Scott?

1195
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,000
Oh, good answer.

1196
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,000
Any other announcements?

1197
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,000
Comments for access to the bill?

1198
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:52,000
Yeah.

1199
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,000
I think I've concentrated.

1200
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,000
Good job summarizes some things that the Roma conference.

1201
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:01,000
I will I will mention the conservation authority changes coming up.

1202
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:03,000
Our in the works.

1203
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:08,000
I'm sure they're going to go through but there was a lot of discussion at Roma about the

1204
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:15,000
changes to the conservation authorities and there's a lot of issues out there that has to be resolved before this happened.

1205
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,000
So stay tuned.

1206
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:22,000
Looking forward to hearing more and and hopefully when it's all set and done, we get it right.

1207
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:23,000
It was right now.

1208
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:27,000
I don't think it's right, but we'll have to wait on that one.

1209
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:32,000
I just wanted to announce that the president's last weekend, family day weekend is coming up.

1210
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:36,000
Not this weekend, but the next 14 to 16 that weekend.

1211
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:39,000
And lots of lots of events to take place.

1212
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,000
So hopefully people will participate.

1213
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:43,000
You can sign up for a number of events.

1214
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:46,000
We'll leave the Lions clubs involved.

1215
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:51,000
The VA somewhat, the Chamber of Commerce is sort of the lead on it.

1216
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:56,000
And so yeah, lots of lots of good things, different practices and activities.

1217
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:59,000
So hopefully people will participate.

1218
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:00,000
Thank you.

1219
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,000
Absolutely.

1220
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:07,000
Yeah, there's a family dance night on Saturday night.

1221
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:12,000
That's the what's great during wines is hosting as well.

1222
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:16,000
As well as all the other activities of our presence.

1223
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,000
Excellent.

1224
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,000
Happy to be back.

1225
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:21,000
Thank you, Barrackos.

1226
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:23,000
A couple of things here.

1227
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:27,000
So last Saturday, the conservation is so frustrating.

1228
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:29,000
How they're second full moon walk.

1229
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:32,000
The first one was obviously the last one when they had it.

1230
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:34,000
And that was three.

1231
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,000
They had three hundred ten through.

1232
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:39,000
This one here was over 600.

1233
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,000
They had to turn people away.

1234
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:43,000
They're just nowhere to part.

1235
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:46,000
So obviously quite a successful event.

1236
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:48,000
So again, that's just to.

1237
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,000
There's a sort of revenue driver.

1238
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:51,000
But it's really.

1239
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:53,000
And they were coming as far away.

1240
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:56,000
So we were aware a couple hours away.

1241
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:59,000
So pretty pretty unique.

1242
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,000
Interesting in that there.

1243
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:02,000
I.

1244
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:06,000
The last irony was that the T cats held their.

1245
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,000
So volleyball and along with minor hockey.

1246
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:12,000
And it was 200 kids that I went and participated.

1247
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,000
So I don't like grandson was there.

1248
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:16,000
And it was with the effect 200 kids.

1249
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,000
And it was.

1250
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:20,000
First successful event, which is always good to see.

1251
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:27,000
And I see that connectivity with both senior and minor.

1252
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:30,000
Sports like it together.

1253
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:34,000
For those that are not aware I'm I am pleased and I'm honored to be.

1254
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:38,000
I now said I was re-elected the the chair of the SBCA.

1255
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:43,000
For the twenty twenty six term and I'm looking forward to trying to.

1256
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:45,000
Bring as much information and work as hard as it can.

1257
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,000
And advocate towards this regional.

1258
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:54,000
So I will try to and just keep you updated and we're fighting every.

1259
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:58,000
Every inch that we can to make to make sure that we keep it as is local as we can.

1260
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:01,000
So we want to bring that to your attention.

1261
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,000
I give a stick to him is great.

1262
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,000
You've got that on.

1263
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:08,000
Another thing from the Durham hospital.

1264
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:11,000
Very pleased to announce that we're going to actually be hosting a.

1265
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:18,000
Co-end so pitch tournament and it will be held in Durham on June the 20th and June the 21st.

1266
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:20,000
So we do do that level.

1267
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:21,000
To be an a division.

1268
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,000
Which would be a little more of the.

1269
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:27,000
I would say more organized and I would say more competitive.

1270
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:30,000
But a little more organized and it's geared towards people that want to.

1271
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:34,000
Play just a little higher than would be would be more of your recreational.

1272
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:36,000
Well, then enjoy and it is what it is.

1273
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:39,000
So that's June 20 and 21st.

1274
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:46,000
I do have a meeting with the Durham Lions with we believe we're going to be a partner and up with them to help from the event.

1275
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:49,000
So June 20 21st and we will get the information.

1276
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:52,000
Through the term hospital.

1277
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,000
Foundation website.

1278
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:56,000
And last but not least.

1279
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:58,000
Look forward to December.

1280
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,000
And again, that's 2026 is ways away.

1281
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:04,000
But there will be another alumni again coming.

1282
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:07,000
Well, there's a community of that could be the much all Canadians could be.

1283
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:11,000
Tom McLeod or could be both teams playing against each other.

1284
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:14,000
So we're going to be looking at different ways that we can.

1285
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:16,000
They are both committed by the way.

1286
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,000
The arena's commit a book now.

1287
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:20,000
It's then endorsed by the board.

1288
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:23,000
We're just looking at different ways of how we can achieve and minimize day.

1289
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,000
They actually overhead costs.

1290
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:27,000
So we're going to go through some play systems and whatnot.

1291
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:29,000
But there will be another.

1292
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:31,000
The game coming here retired.

1293
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:38,000
And each other and all those funds will be directed towards this extra suite that we desperately need in our community.

1294
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,000
So those are some highlights here.

1295
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:42,000
Thank you.

1296
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,000
Thank you.

1297
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:45,000
Councillor Thompson again.

1298
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:49,000
Just just one more thing that was taken up when we were talking about things that came up with

1299
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:50,000
Rona.

1300
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:54,000
Roma and that something that's near and dear to everybody's heart.

1301
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,000
Circular materials.

1302
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:00,000
And in the the bearer pit.

1303
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,000
Question period with the ministers.

1304
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,000
The question was asked.

1305
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:08,000
And the minister did respond and say.

1306
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:11,000
Yeah, they realized they haven't got it quite right.

1307
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:12,000
So.

1308
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,000
Expect to see hopefully.

1309
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:19,000
Some more adjustments in that program.

1310
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:25,000
In the not too distant future.

1311
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:26,000
And speaking.

1312
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:27,000
Yes.

1313
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,000
Roma was very good.

1314
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:29,000
And thanks.

1315
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:30,000
The council is with there.

1316
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:35,000
It was a very good conference.

1317
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:37,000
You said about the bearer pit session.

1318
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:40,000
Councillor Thompson.

1319
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:41,000
For everybody out there.

1320
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:43,000
It's a session where.

1321
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:45,000
Most of the ministers.

1322
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:48,000
And ministries are represented in the open day.

1323
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:51,000
Any questions from the floor.

1324
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:53,000
This year.

1325
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,000
Roma there was the largest.

1326
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:57,000
The conference that they've had.

1327
02:08:57,000 --> 02:08:58,000
Twenty.

1328
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:00,000
Three hundred delegates.

1329
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,000
In and around that.

1330
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:03,000
The largest one they had.

1331
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:06,000
It's some very interesting questions.

1332
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:07,000
The one that did come up.

1333
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:08,000
And they had two.

1334
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:14,000
One on Sunday afternoon and one on Monday afternoon.

1335
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:18,000
And the minister was.

1336
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:23,000
It was obvious that he was expecting the question from some place somewhere.

1337
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:27,000
And the one part that I thought was very interesting in his answer.

1338
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:31,000
To conservation and new.

1339
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:35,000
Governance structures that they are trying to put into place with.

1340
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:37,000
This oversight and whatnot.

1341
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:42,000
And assured us that there would be no change in funding.

1342
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:44,000
You know.

1343
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:45,000
The minister.

1344
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:46,000
Police.

1345
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,000
You weren't going to have to pay any more.

1346
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:51,000
There would be no change in funding.

1347
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:55,000
Well, that's what we were looking for because the province.

1348
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:57,000
Used to at one point in time.

1349
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59,000
Have somewhere north of.

1350
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:01,000
40% of the funding.

1351
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:05,000
They've been able to cut it down to conservation authorities at the province now.

1352
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,000
Somewhere between one and three percent.

1353
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:10,000
Depending on which conservation authority you're in.

1354
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:14,000
What averages out about two percent of the funding for conservation authorities.

1355
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:18,000
And gosh, I was glad to hear that there would be no change in that.

1356
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,000
The province is going to stick with.

1357
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:24,000
Two percent.

1358
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:27,000
It.

1359
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,000
It's an ongoing thing.

1360
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,000
Mr. Chair.

1361
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,000
Have fun.

1362
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:32,000
What's that?

1363
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:33,000
Trying to get it straight.

1364
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:37,000
We'll look forward to some information going forward.

1365
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:40,000
This past Sunday.

1366
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:45,000
I was invited to Dundock for the.

1367
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,000
Basically the.

1368
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:50,000
Opening of Black History Month.

1369
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,000
In great county.

1370
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:56,000
It's been going on for somewhere north of 30 years.

1371
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,000
And they have the opening.

1372
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:00,000
And of that in.

1373
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:03,000
Dundock to the United Church.

1374
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,000
The Junction.

1375
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:07,000
Organization.

1376
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:08,000
And.

1377
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:10,000
Basically headed by.

1378
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:12,000
Southgate Councilor Joan Johns.

1379
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:13,000
And.

1380
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,000
Was at the opening.

1381
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:17,000
So that is the opening.

1382
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:21,000
There's many more functions going on throughout the month of February as.

1383
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:26,000
Black history month is here and going strong.

1384
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,000
And one of the interesting things of it was it.

1385
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:34,000
For the township of Southgate with.

1386
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:37,000
A lot of new people coming in.

1387
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:40,000
They recognized in the last year.

1388
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:42,000
How many different countries.

1389
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:43,000
Not just.

1390
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:46,000
Black immigrants but from.

1391
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:47,000
21.

1392
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:49,000
Different 21 or 22.

1393
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:50,000
Just lost track.

1394
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:53,000
They handed out the flags from different.

1395
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,000
Individuals who have.

1396
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:57,000
Immigrated to Canada and it shows.

1397
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:58,000
Southgate.

1398
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:59,000
And area.

1399
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:02,000
Or where they have landed and it was.

1400
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:07,000
I'm pretty sure it was 21 different countries were recognized from.

1401
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:11,000
Greece to Nigeria that you make it to.

1402
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,000
Poland.

1403
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:15,000
It was.

1404
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:16,000
It was.

1405
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,000
It was.

1406
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:18,000
Even in there.

1407
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:19,000
So we have some of the Italians.

1408
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:21,000
Getting out before the Olympics start.

1409
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:23,000
I guess over there.

1410
02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:24,000
So it was.

1411
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:25,000
Yeah.

1412
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:26,000
Good.

1413
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:30,000
And.

1414
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,000
Interesting because of.

1415
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:36,000
West Ray and our.

1416
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:38,000
Historic.

1417
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:41,000
With the Black community here and.

1418
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:43,000
Quite frankly the.

1419
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:46,000
Own sound obviously is the end of the.

1420
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:48,000
Underground railroad.

1421
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:51,000
But a number of those individuals.

1422
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:52,000
Certainly during the.

1423
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:55,000
18 hundreds and escaped in slavery.

1424
02:12:55,000 --> 02:13:01,000
Right here in great county and some of them go back further than our triple hunter.

1425
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:02,000
In.

1426
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:03,000
In our area of.

1427
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:06,000
So good stuff.

1428
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:08,000
Anything else.

1429
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:09,000
Yeah.

1430
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:11,000
I forgot to mention that.

1431
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:14,000
The mayor gave a very persuasive and passionate.

1432
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:15,000
History of the.

1433
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:18,000
Frasalized situation to a minister.

1434
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:19,000
In German West.

1435
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:20,000
Great.

1436
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:23,000
Anything further to report on that.

1437
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:24,000
There.

1438
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:25,000
Perhaps not.

1439
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:28,000
It's not quite at this time, but we'll certainly be working.

1440
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:30,000
He was very open.

1441
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:32,000
I do have.

1442
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:35,000
Something arranged for a.

1443
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:39,000
Information session with their local MPP.

1444
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,000
To.

1445
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:46,000
Generate his history and an understanding of Frasalized.

1446
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:49,000
And the complexities and the cost.

1447
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:51,000
To the municipality.

1448
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:53,000
And so we're following up.

1449
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:54,000
But yes.

1450
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:56,000
Mr. Carthler.

1451
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,000
McCarthy.

1452
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:01,000
It was very interested in.

1453
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:04,000
Offering.

1454
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:08,000
Not maybe as much financial but what help could the province.

1455
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:14,000
Give us on exploring different ideas and.

1456
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,000
mitigating facts of.

1457
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:18,000
Presalized so.

1458
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:21,000
We will continue as we know this year.

1459
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:22,000
It didn't disappear.

1460
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:23,000
It reappeared.

1461
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:25,000
And we had a bit of problems with it.

1462
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:28,000
But I think there is a solution.

1463
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:31,000
And if we can get the province and the conservation authority.

1464
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:32,000
Everybody together.

1465
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:33,000
And let's.

1466
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:34,000
We can come up with a.

1467
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:36,000
What's the remedy for.

1468
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:37,000
Council.

1469
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:38,000
Council.

1470
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:39,000
As speaking.

1471
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:40,000
Frasalized.

1472
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:41,000
Maybe.

1473
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:42,000
And we're making announcements.

1474
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:43,000
Maybe.

1475
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:45,000
Hey.

1476
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:46,000
Yeah.

1477
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:47,000
Thank you.

1478
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:49,000
We can be on our status so.

1479
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:50,000
For example.

1480
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:51,000
We did have some issues to share.

1481
02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:53,000
I'm not sure.

1482
02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:56,000
Thack where we are at this point.

1483
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:57,000
I'll make it short.

1484
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:58,000
Yeah, yeah.

1485
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,000
This is.

1486
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,000
Well, we'll put this.

1487
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,000
Thank you. We're on your control right now, touch wood. This isn't never over. Two things that I'd like to bring forward last year was a very critical year. And we had some great learnings from last year. The work between the municipality and the conservation area has been exemplary this year. We've got a system in place. We have a team. We have a communications method and there are cameras along the river now that really help us monitor this situation.

1488
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:05,000
When in under announcements.

1489
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:09,000
But once in one's language.

1490
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:40,000
Because of the cold temperatures where you get it is the freezing and falling when the issues come, because we've got cold unfortunately, it's very fortunate for the river because of water, can flow under.

1491
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:55,000
So we're in good shape this year, but we're always at risk given the nature of our river system, but it's been a good example of doing everything we can to mitigate risk both for our right pairs and for the financial implications of the municipality.

1492
02:15:55,000 --> 02:16:03,000
If I may one other item related to Rome, I just wanted to put forward in case any of our right pairs are listening.

1493
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:12,000
We advocate regularly our council members at various conferences for the public who wants to know sort of what the issues and what our position is.

1494
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:23,000
We do have a section on our website, westgrade.com slash conferences where the public can view all of our delegation materials and what the key points for bringing forward.

1495
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:27,000
So I just wanted to point that out.

1496
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:33,000
Thank you Michelle. Okay. Let's get back on to.

1497
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:37,000
Get Mr. Clerk happy and I'll get back on to the agenda item.

1498
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:40,000
No close session.

1499
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:44,000
So they'll need to report out by loss.

1500
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:49,000
There are six by loss on the talking today.

1501
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:55,000
We can pass those in one motion if that would be the favor of the council.

1502
02:16:55,000 --> 02:17:03,000
Okay. We got 15 more minutes.

1503
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:05,000
Sorry.

1504
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:09,000
Councilor Forster moves that say we cost by loss as presented.

1505
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:13,000
Deputy Mayor, which is a little second that.

1506
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:18,000
Any questions or comments on the motion for the by loss for today.

1507
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:20,000
Go the question on those in favor.

1508
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:24,000
Any opposed that is carried.

1509
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:28,000
And with that, there's all business on the agenda.

1510
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:33,000
Jamie, I have gone to where I will declare the meeting adjourned.

1511
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:35,000
Thank you very much.

1512
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:41,000
And just as a reminder, we usually have a planning meeting.

1513
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:46,000
In the afternoon, but we don't have anything on the agenda.

1514
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:49,000
So there is no planning meeting today. Next one.

1515
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:53,000
Have you read the 17th, when we've correct, we've got one.

1516
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:55,000
Okay. All right.

1517
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:57,000
Thank you everybody.

1518
02:17:57,000 --> 02:17:59,000
Good meeting and we'll see you later.