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Welcome to the planning board meeting
for August 27th. Our next meeting is

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September 10th. Please stand for the
pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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We have a decision for Lan Realy 11
Hazelwood Avenue.

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Anybody here for the applicant?
Um, wave the reading. We need a motion

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to accept the resolution as written. So
moved.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> Uh, we'll begin with the work session.

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Sherman Properties LLC, 61 Sunset
Avenue,

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» you're right.

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You guys can talk about it because it's
a work session. Comments and

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chang.

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» Okay.
>> Well, we've got the comments and there

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aren't any real objections. I mean, this
is really a defensive maneuver. Try to

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keep the people in the 7-Eleven safe
from the crazies.

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propert.

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Well, I I think that's an enforcement
activity that we've really got to pay

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attention to and insist this is the
opportunity we have.

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» Yeah. Having garbage on their
>> right.

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[snorts]
From what I understand, they moved those

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garbage pales inside because people were
using them as their garbage pales for

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from their cars.
>> Because people were using them as

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village garbage pales. [laughter]

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» Well, I think we should ask that the uh
site be restored to the approved site

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plan that includes the shrubbery and the
garbage cans. And if that can be

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conditional, I think then we could move
forward.

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Yes, I agree.

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You really don't want them coming in the
store.

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» More of a bash one.
>> They're not Look, they're not good.

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» So, will you wait make a recommendation?

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» Okay.
>> And I'd like to see them not be black.

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» Okay.
>> Do we want bright, bright yellow?

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» No.
>> No. So, what do we want

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» then?

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» So, what color?

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maybe like a skin tone,
>> you know, at park if you set if the

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parking stalls are
>> if the parking stalls are 10 foot, you

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know, you have an opportunity to drive
between them. So, I would split in the

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middle and I would say six foot centers
instead of 4 foot centers,

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» you know, so you can't drive. So, it'll
catch and even at six foot centers, it

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doesn't catch every car.

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Yeah, most of them.

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If you when you go there late at night,
there's not a lot of cars there. That's

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the opportunity to drive in between
them. That's I'm just looking at it

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like, hey, tight them up. You know, not
10 foot on center, but maybe six

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» about

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Yeah, we'll you'll catch almost all of
them at six foot. So, that's just my

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thoughts.

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» So, we'll give the applicants some
suggestions and have them come back.

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» No yellow balls.

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Yeah.

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» All right. That's I guess there's a
bunch of little issues.

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» Is that it? Anybody else?
>> Done.

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» No, I think it's covered. Yeah. I or I
was going to say on the north and south

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side of that building there's brick
walls where you might be able to let up

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on the distance between the b
not have as many on each on each end

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» where there's brick walls
>> where one is probably going to aim for

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the front door or the glass areas but
you know

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Yeah, [laughter]

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» I six butt centers sounds good to me.
>> Welcome.

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» Yes,
>> we heard from you. That's enough.

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» That's enough from me.
>> How about Dave? He hasn't been talking.

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» I will defer to the collective.
>> We'll leave it. That will allow the

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experts to uh render opinions to the
applicant and we'll revisit

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158 Mil Road, West Hampton Beach LLC.
162 Mil Road, West Hampton Beach,

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» LLC.

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» Okay.
>> Hey, members of the board, thanks for

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your time tonight. My name is Brian
Teeman and I am representing um the

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ownership of the uh the properties, the
subject properties. Um in short, what

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[clears throat]
our tenants are looking to do is to um

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basically operate the way Eerts used to
operate um by putting some paint on

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things and making things look a little
bit better, so to speak. Um

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so we're looking for um for site plan
waiver. Um we have and you know there's

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been a lot of talk as we know in our
small village. Um down the road um our

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tenants might have ideas of of other
things at which time we will come to you

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beforehand discuss um and see see what's
uh see what everyone likes. But for the

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time being, they'd like to just open um
they have their uh permit application in

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with the board of trustees for outdoor
seating, which um includes some uh

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outdoor lighting, seasonal. Um and
that's really that's really all. Um we

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got your comments today. Um so I'd be
happy to go through them with you if you

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would like to hear or if you'd like
written response. uh just let you know

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let me know how you want to handle that
and um we're happy to accommodate.

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» Well, I think um we were clear when you
got those today that we wouldn't be

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commenting or making the changes today.
So,

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» okay.

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» Bren, do you want to start off

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[laughter]
>> How about Brad?

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» Yeah. So, the comments were just
It's really just

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fence.

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one big question.
>> Yeah, I can I can address all those

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things. One is uh Brad, we got the note
about site plan versus survey marked up.

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So, we'll get that taken care of. Um
we'll get it formalized as a site plan

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overlay, so to speak.
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» Um
the um handicap accessibility

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question on that. Would Brad, you and I
were at the site. Um would like a

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concrete pad
be the most logical thing for the first

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parking spot area that can get directly
to the front door.

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» Concrete or asphalt.

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Sure.

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» From either side of the car, probably,
right? Yeah. Okay. I mean, that makes

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sense. So, with the board's permission,
you know, we would want to uh rectify

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that with a with a pad. We'll look into
what material would be best for it. Um

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» stop
>> on the road.

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That doesn't Yeah, that doesn't doesn't
count for it.

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» So, it's a it's a good question, Ron.
Um, so the funny thing is

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it's we call it we're calling it a
parking lot, but it's really only a

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cleared space on a vacant property that
has been defaulted to a parking lot. So,

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I'm not really sure how it should be
handled.

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» That was really bad. [laughter]
>> Take notes, Jim.

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Why do I see the picture of a duck and I
hear the quacking of a duck? [laughter]

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» So, I just I'm putting that out there
because we want to handle it however the

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village wants to handle it. So,

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Sure.

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» The curbs. Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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» One of the things you talked about

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A lighting what?

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» Straight it up.

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spotlights or anything.
>> You have to be real careful.

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» Would that be under the
>> perviewed one way or the other? It's got

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to be defined.
>> That's under the perview of the board of

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trustees though, right?
>> Yes.

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They will enterain
temporary

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There's no permanent lighting on this.

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» No, not permanent. No, not at this
point. No.

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» Dumpster detail.
>> Sure.

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Um,
so the third thing that Brad had brought

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up that I wanted to address is the shed.
Um, the shed has been improved and fixed

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up. It was fallen down, doors were
missing, etc. Um, maybe down the road,

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we'd love to talk to you about maybe
some sort of use of it, but at this

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point, we're not looking for any
permission of use of it or use of it at

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all.
Um, we want to keep the outside the way

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it was when Eerts was there. Um, I don't
know how we need to handle the shed

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going forward, but um, for all intents
and purposes, it's

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structurally sound now and not intended
to be used.

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» Yes. So, I would notate as such.
>> Okay.

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You didn't make any changes.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» For storage only. Maybe
>> something along those lines.

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» Sure. Okay.

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» It is on that application already and
noted about this application.

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» Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay. A little cleaning up and we'll see

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you again, I guess.
>> Yeah. I don't think Do we have to see

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him again?

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Well, I think we can rely on you to uh
handle that.

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» Mr. Chairman, I'd like to move forward.
I think it's a good business. Um I see

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I've been in the espion operation. It's
outstanding. And um I did go by the site

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today and I did see that shed, that nice
looking shed you have in that that north

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northwest corner of the property.
>> I want to rent it for the summer.

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» And and and in terms of the lighting,
although it's not in our wheelhouse,

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it's with the trustees, it's lighting
that's not going to affect anyone

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because there's no residential area.
There's no

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» to that to that point, Don.
It's temporary.

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» Unlike the seasonal seating on Main
Street and closer to the downtown area,

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you are abudding or getting reasonably
close to the residential property. It's

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not
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behind the building and what some of us
in this end of town have experienced

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with the movie theaters
morphing nightclub slashbar west

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whatever it is. Um, you know, it's, you
know, it's run pretty late at night.

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there has been some, you know, concerns
and some unhappiness.

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» So, I'm not saying that's what you're
going to do. I'm just saying to the

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extent that that gets brought up with
trustees with the lighting, hours of

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operation, um noise abatement, music,
that kind of thing. Just have those

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concerns raised at least.
>> Are you seven days a week or or five

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days a week?
>> Um I think we'll probably start at

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seven.
>> Okay.

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And to your point, uh, Dave, um,
additionally, I think one of the

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comments in, uh, the report from you
guys was, um, talking about optional

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rear yard landscape buffer,
>> which I think could be a good thing to

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discuss
>> uh, for the benefit of residential.

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» You know, like I said, if you're going
to be stringing those lights that you

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get at Home Depot, that's one thing. I
think it's more noise issue, amplified

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music, you know, right?
>> These things sudden do tend to happen.

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You know, nobody's really thinking about
it. It's just like, "Oh, let's do that.

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That sounds like a good idea."
>> This isn't going to be Scarlet's front

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yard, though.
>> What are the hours of operation?

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» Hours of operation.
>> I think it's it's it's not going to be

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late.

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Whether it's 9:00 or 10 o'clock

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[laughter]

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» have a working partner, huh?
>> It's not going to be just a breakfast

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place anymore.
>> No.

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» Okay.
>> Good.

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I'll still go I'll still go to your
>> Spiancor.

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[laughter]

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» Hopefully there'll be some more seats
now in

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» Spianc
Larry. Any input?

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» Uh, no. Looking forward to seeing it all
built.

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» Dave,
>> other than what I've said? No.

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» My piece.
>> Okay.

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» Thank you all.
>> All right. Thank you.

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West Hampton Performing Arts Center, 76
Main Street.

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» Good evening for the applicant, James N.
Hume, 323 Mill Road, West Hampton Beach.

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And we have the Julian, the executive
director, and our architectural support.

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Um, I've been to so many of these
meetings about this, I've kind of

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forgotten what we've told to who, but
just real simply, uh, we're looking to

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um remove some existing structures from
the uh the plan from the the site and

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provide an 8,900 square foot um addition
to the back of the property and some

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pretty extensive renovation internally,
mainly with the goal of uh creating more

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seating.
uh so that at for the same tick price

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we'll have more revenue so that we can
afford to bring in bigger names and

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larger groups of people u is really what
we're about. We're just um this is on a

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work session so we're not even public
hearing stage yet. I think because of

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the size of the building we well I know
because of the size of the building

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we've filed the special permit uh
application to the trustees

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um because it exceeds the uh the code
limit for square footage and we met with

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them last last week last week uh and had
a brief discussion with them about this

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project and we're here to uh get this
project moving with you guys as well. Um

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I think the big issue here is the
initial issue here will be uh secret if

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I'm not mistaken. Um
so I don't know where you want to go

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from here but we're to discuss any
aspect.

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» We we we given some thought to to seeker
on this and uh the

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the trustee the real big issue in this
is going to be parking and the impact on

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parking. That's that that's the big
issue. And right now the trustees are

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revamping, you know, there's a parking
moratorum and the trustees are revamping

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the parking code
and what we're contemplating is that the

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trustees will end up taking jurisdiction
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parking. We're not going to call them
variances anymore. They're going to be

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parking special permits. That's the
what's being contemplated

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um at least for the downtown area
because that's the area where it's

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municipal parking and the impacts are
going to be on the municipality as a

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whole as opposed to any individual
site. So, um at least our initial

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thought, you know, Brad and I talking
about it is that the trustees really are

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likely to be the lead agency on this.
um because of all the work they're

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working on as far as the
the new parking plan for the downtown

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area. So, and I don't think we've seen
anything quite like this in terms of the

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size of a
like a variance application for parking,

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but um they'll figure out how to handle
it and the new code will contemplate how

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to handle it. So most likely it it it's
going to make more sense for them to be

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lead agency on this.
>> As much as I love seeing you guys and

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we'll be able to see you anyway.
>> Doesn't mean you won't.

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» I agree. I agree with the council's
analysis. I think the the over

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overriding issue here is the parking and
uh that's in the trustes hands both

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because of the special permit and
because of the change of the law. So I

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think that makes a lot of sense to Put
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here.

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» Don,
>> Don, why don't you start?

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» I just have a
>> Let's get the experts.

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» I need I just need

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» Who'd like to go first?
>> There we go. [laughter]

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» Obviously broadstrokes. I would
I don't like to see what that protected

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» because you are proposing this sort of
mass behind the facade which is my very

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iconic east end of Long Island very
important

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» obviously

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you know it's
something of that magnitude

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» um and then I just sort of said you know
it's a very large 65%

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So I think we should probably provide
some data points that show

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you 500 tickets or we have this you know
year round demand or some sort of

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operational number
>> going to need the seats for the NBA

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games.
>> Yeah. Why the Knicks are going to repeat

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again?

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» We all
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» we could certainly provide the facade
easement. Um there's several other

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levels of protection for that. One is
that because of that easement, we're

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right now have an application pending
before the um historic board, landmarks

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board for the town uh and uh because
they need to approve this project

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because of the terms of the easement.
And one of the conditions that they have

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imposed is a letter from the CPF people
who provided the funds pursuant to the

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easement to confirm that uh what we're
proposing is within the scope of what we

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agreed to in that easement. But we'll be
happy to provide a copy of the easement

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itself.
>> Approval, not just advisory.

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» No, we need to get a certificate of um
>> should they be an involved agency?

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That's the first time I'm hearing that.
So they should be an involved agency for

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secret purposes.
>> I agree.

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» Landmarks and historic town Southampton.
>> Southampton.

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[clears throat]
>> It's interesting.

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» And then just you know as you evolve
along the process more of a site

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planning issue which is to say you know
you're removing these twotory structures

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that kind of have open space around
them. I think we might want to

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the north side of the property and how
we can preserve some of that reserve

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use. Um, but I think we may need to
soften that mask if we have the

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opportunity.

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» Yeneral,
>> Sure. Understood.

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» Understood.

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Even at night when lights are off. We
can't do that. Sorry.

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it's probably

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» major piece of this. Yes.

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We could stick to conceptual for now. I
mean, it makes the most sense for secret

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purposes to stay conceptual and not get
into the fine engineering stuff yet

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until
the real

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broad strokes are worked out.
>> Yeah, I agree.

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» You don't have to spend money on
>> that yet, right?

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» Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah.

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Right.
>> Yeah.

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The trustes are going to be handled
as we talked about.

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covering.

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» Understood.
>> We'll talk about that.

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redo the arithmetic at a minimum.
>> Sure.

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» Right now it is
based on

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like

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something that
>> Yeah, we can't rely on Rio Delben to run

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into the back of the building anymore to
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we will obviously take a look at that.
Maybe a drive-in movie in that back lot.

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[laughter]
>> That's an idea.

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» Requires a whole bunch more parking, but
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» Don,
>> yeah, just just two minutes. First of

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all, congratulations on the grant money.
I know you probably worked hard on that.

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Been involved with that with nonprofits
and it's a lot of paperwork and it's

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more of a problem getting paid as you go
along. You you'll see that though. Um I

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have two things I just want to ask you
on your demolitions. Is this beautiful

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home of Sunset being demolished
>> where the gate is?

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» Yes,
>> it is.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. I just want to hand this to my

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planning board members. Although it's
out of our wheelhouse possibly.

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» Um
>> you have someplace to put it

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» one for the record.
>> Donated.

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» No. Unless you want to move it.
[laughter]

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» We don't.
>> We don't move houses anymore.

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» No. Okay.
>> Um my other question is I when this

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first hit the papers, I think in March
or April, we talked about profit margin

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on tickets
>> and um there's a big concern here. I

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represent the village taxpayers of
course on this board.

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» Um and there's a um a major problem with
tickets where we can go to the board the

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the ticket booth Wednesday and Sunday
but when you go online you get stuck

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with all these brokers that charging 75%
higher.

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» How does the brokers work? Do you get a
piece of that action?

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» No, not at all.
>> Can you avoid them?

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» No,
>> you can't avoid them.

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» No, they can. anybody can purchase
tickets from the theater. So we have a

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lot of um safeguards in place to try to
prevent against fraud because you know

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there's third party um ticket sellers
who just buy them up and resell them in

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an unfortunately legal way but then
there are some that um are selling uh

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fraudulently and and it's it's a mess
and uh you know New York State the

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attorney general I know is trying to
crack down across the country

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everybody's trying to crack down on it
but it's really

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» just to make myself clear I represent
the taxpayers of the village of

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Westester
Beach and I think you might want to

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consider an idea where village residents
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the tickets for some events.
>> I think with increased capacity that's

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very possible.
>> Okay, very good. That's all I have.

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Chairman.
>> Yeah. Uh my only concern would be the

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north and the west facade. Uh looking
straight off in front, you got to get a

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mile back to be able to see what we
proposed up on the roof.

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You know, that's my only concern. Um I I
think the four square house that's in

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the rear is
a nice old house. U it's not an

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architectural gym, I would say, but uh
and the barber shop and uh historical

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society's got the barber pole. I don't I
don't know if that means

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» you could have a nice building,
[laughter]

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» but the inside of that building has been
>> grants for that.

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» Yeah. [clears throat]
>> renovated over time. So, it's it's an

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office. It's not There's no remnants of
the barber shop or uh Ria's presence

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there in the house any longer.
>> It's a nice house.

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» They're pulling down nicer ones.
They have

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» bulldozing them every day.
>> It's what we do in West Hampton.

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» Well, hopefully in return we're
providing a benefit.

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» This would be the rare occasion.
>> Yeah. Benefits the village.

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» Mr. Roy,
>> I just have to channel my inner Paul

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Hulahan here. Um,
>> no, it is what it is

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» from. [laughter]
I didn't believe you me. I know this is

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three decades in the past, but
>> my recollection of the whole

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preservation movement
>> was to preserve the small town feel of a

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movie theater
to just you know have that kind of venue

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preserved
and um

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if we do this I think that defeats the
purpose.

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» You want the NBA there?
>> It's just you know it's just that's what

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it was designed. That's why it was
preserved the way it was preserved. As

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Julian knows, I've spent most of the
last decade there. And, you know, I

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enjoyed every time I was there because
of the way it was laid out. And, you

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know, I could show my kids what it was
like when I used to go watch movies

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there. And it's a it's a continuation
thing. And I just think the the way it

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is is is part of the community. And I I
would just hate to lose that.

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» Yeah, I understand. And I'm sorry to say
this, but um and Dave, you know how much

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I love this theater. I've been there for
18 years, but one thing I've learned in

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18 years and especially since CO is I I
don't mean to sound doomsday about it,

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but I don't think the theater will be
able to sustain at 425 seats. And if I

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thought it could, believe me, I I I
believe in the intimate nature of the

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auditorium. I love that it's a
conversation between artists, but I know

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John's going to speak to this in a
second. We have done everything we can

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in the design to uh retain the intimacy
of the theater. That's so important, but

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we need to have more seats. the cost of
acts. We want to bring in high quality

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worldclass. You know, in 2011, 12,13,
you probably all remember we had

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Blondie, the B-52s, uh Cindy Looper. I
mean, these are huge names that are

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completely out of our reach now. And
even if we can get the marquee name

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artists, the tickets are so wildly
expensive and we just we're not going to

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be able to sustain. We're facing ticket
price resistance. um people don't want

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to pay more than $150 per ticket,
understandably so in the the economic

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times we're in. And so I think again
with community in mind, I think we have

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to do everything we can to preserve um
the history and the intimacy of the

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room, but I think we really have to
think in terms of how this theater is

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going to exist for the next generations
to come.

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» John, do you want to speak to this?
>> John Rose, architect. One of our

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specialties is historic preservation
work. Um we do a lot of landmark work

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and as a kid I also attended that
theater. I recognize how important it is

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and the state and obviously will make us
preserve it but it's really important

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that when this is all done it's all put
back together from the inside you really

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won't feel much of a difference. Yeah,
the stage is getting bigger but the

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fabrics, the seating style, the general
layout is remaining the same. The front

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entrance will not be it'll be repaired
where it's falling apart a little bit,

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but it's going to stay exactly the same.
You won't be able to see the lion share

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of the work until you turn the corner.
As you know, there's a building on the

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corner that hides everything but the
front of the building. That won't change

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from Main Street. You won't be able to
see what we're doing from Main Street.

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You got to go around the back. So, I get
it. You're right. It's a really special

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place and it's going to stay that way.

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Will we be able to get the circus back?
[laughter]

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» That's all it takes.
>> Rock, you know, I I listen to what Dave

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said and I'm just thinking about how
much change we've seen in the village,

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you know, in the last 10 years, how many
different buildings have come in and

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knock, you know, the structures have
been knocked down. And I think

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the expansion is pro, you know, also to
keep it alive economically, I think the

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expansion is justified,
right? Um, I think in the process of

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trying to figure it out, I think the
elephant in the corner is part

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» and and just my thoughts as a
contractor, I'd want to figure that out

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before I burn a lot of money moving
forward.

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» But that's that's my thoughts on that.
>> Top of the list.

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» Yeah. because I mean you can go all the
way and then the parking falls apart

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» all these issues and
>> we're we're certainly aware [laughter]

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» so that's
>> working with the trustees and with

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» yeah I'm I'm sure architecturally you'll
bring it you you'll bring it in line

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» you don't have a choice
>> well well exactly don't have a choice

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but
so that that's my thoughts that's that's

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what I'm thinking
>> thank you

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do you want to make some comments are
you for this application.

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» Spectator.

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» Um, off the top of my head, no. But in
my records, since I've been involved

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since the very first shovel, I think I
could find that out.

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» It's just my curiosity.
>> Yeah. No, we can we can find that out.

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Well, I think this is really going to
wind up in the lap of the trustees more

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than the planning board for the
immediate future. So, I don't know when

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we'll be seeing you again.
So,

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and I think I don't think you have a
direction that you need to go into at

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this moment in order to proceed with the
path you need to go down. So, I don't

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really think this board has any more
significant comments than other than I

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think you need to say that you choose
not to be lead agency.

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» Well, we'll we'll get that start. We got
to get the

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» process started with the trustees and
>> I'll probably do that at the next

431
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meeting. So, it's a couple couple weeks,
right?

432
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,320
» There's also and Britain would know
there's a hold over on the property

433
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:46,000
north of the rear of the theater right
now. Am I correct, Britain?

434
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,320
» There's a hold over right there because
they want to do something there also.

435
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,079
There's a lot of development going on.
>> You know about that or not, Jim, but

436
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:54,800
there's
>> Yes. Oh, no. I'm fully aware. Yeah.

437
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:57,280
» Okay.
>> I'm not representing them.

438
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:01,520
» Pardon me.
>> What effect?

439
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:05,000
» What effect it has on you or them? I I'm
not sure, but

440
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:24,560
Is that next week?
>> First Thursday. Oh my god. [laughter]

441
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,359
» It's September.
>> It's September already.

442
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:35,599
» Do we um need to do anything for that?
Do we need to come?

443
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,599
» No, I don't.

444
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,720
first week of September.

445
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:54,000
» There's so many involved agencies that
we have to send out.

446
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,240
» You know, we're not going to get like an
individual waiver here and there and

447
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:02,560
speed up the process. So, we we just
have to go through that process and

448
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,440
» Okay.
Well, we will see you at some point and

449
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,920
we will look forward to it. Thank you
for working with you on this.

450
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:15,359
» Nice seeing you, John.
>> Just like to say I really do appreciate

451
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:18,520
and take all the comments to heart.
>> Thank you.

452
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:28,000
» Okie dokie. Um, we're going to engage in
a secret discussion regarding 220 Dune

453
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:33,599
Road.
>> Yeah. So, I can report back. Um, we told

454
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:40,560
you we would address it with the zoning
board. They have no problem deferring to

455
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:46,560
the planning board to be lead agency. So
I I think with your

456
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:50,480
holding of the board last time,
what we could probably use would be just

457
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:54,720
a resolution
um

458
00:39:52,960 --> 00:40:00,960
instructing staff to get that process
started to to let the involved agency

459
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:06,560
know involved agencies know that you're
electing to

460
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:12,000
uh or requesting to proceed as lead
agency and identifying them as involved

461
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,960
agencies. So, if you want to do that
resolution, we'll get the process

462
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:19,680
started.
>> Well, I don't know. Do we want to do

463
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:23,359
that resolution tonight? Um, my thought
was,

464
00:40:21,562 --> 00:40:31,200
[clears throat] speaking for myself, the
secret pool is a deep one. And, um, what

465
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:37,680
I did is I went to Nikon for the
training material that they do for

466
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:44,160
planning boards and zoning boards. And,
um, bought the training session and I

467
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:49,280
what I would like to do is give that to
each member of the planning board and

468
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:54,320
anybody else who's interested so that we
all have a better understanding of the

469
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:59,760
secret process and the steps involved
um before we start a clock. You have to

470
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:05,200
start the clock. So when they file an
application, there's a requirement that

471
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:11,200
you begin the process as early as
possible. And so we can't just drag out

472
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:14,480
the beginning. Uh all you would be doing
>> for two weeks.

473
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:16,720
» No, but it's already been several. They
started

474
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,560
» an hour doing that was
>> Yeah, it's it's I'm just telling you

475
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:26,480
that they're entitled to have it move
along. All we would be doing today is

476
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:31,680
sending out notices that then it just
starts a 30-day process for other

477
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:37,200
agencies to object or not to you being
lead agency. That's all. It's as as

478
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:41,200
innocuous a step as there is. And
there's really no I can't say there's

479
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,160
any reason not to do it unless you don't
want it anymore. I mean, if you change

480
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,319
your mind about being lead agency,
>> he's asking for a delay doesn't mean he

481
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:51,920
doesn't want it anymore.
>> I'm not asking for a delay. I'm asking

482
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:55,839
for a period to gather information.
>> So, we will have that. I promise you

483
00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:01,119
there's going to be [clears throat]
ample period to gather information.

484
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,240
» But we got to get we got to get you
started as lead agency and and that's

485
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:12,160
going to take it takes 30 days just to
get to that ability for you to even say

486
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:18,160
we are now lead agency.
All you'd be saying is we want to be

487
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:21,440
lead agency. That's it. So, I I'm happy
to,

488
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,839
you know, be involved and walk you
through this process and we're going to

489
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:31,680
take our we're not going to rush this
process. I I that I promise you, but we

490
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,880
at least have to give them a lead agency
because they are entitled to that.

491
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:46,200
» Anybody want to make any comments?
>> There is another referral later on.

492
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,040
What I'm hearing is

493
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:08,400
» I want the board members to understand
the process

494
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:13,119
» because it's not a simple process. You
know, this isn't like neg deck world,

495
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:18,880
you know, where you're just going a
house, you know, down the block. This

496
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:24,440
has a little more gravity to it than you
know our normal secret process here.

497
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,960
» Nothing can happen. Um

498
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,280
» I guarantee everyone

499
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:55,440
So if you want between like one of the
meetings in September,

500
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:01,119
» um
>> we could set aside to have a

501
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:04,160
» just training material in my hands
tomorrow actually.

502
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:08,560
» No, but after you have that problem,
>> you could distribute it and then we

503
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:12,880
could have a session just to talk about
>> the process. That's all. I mean, we'll

504
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,440
doesn't even have to be specific to this
application only, but just to

505
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,560
» Yes.
>> kind of have a a primer and a and a

506
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,160
refresher on the process that you should
expect.

507
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:25,119
» I'd like [snorts] to do that.
>> So, we could do that.

508
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,440
» The other thing I want to tell you is
that when when I had the discussion with

509
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:34,720
the zoning board about it, they all said
they want to still be involved since

510
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:40,640
they have a very big decision to make.
And one of the things that I told them

511
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:46,720
we could set up when the time comes,
this is not next month and probably not

512
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:53,119
the next month, but at some point would
be a joint work session where they can

513
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:58,000
come and since you're the lead agency,
they can come as a board, not just as

514
00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:03,040
one person or two people, but we can
advertise it as a joint work session

515
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:08,319
where you can hear their concerns about
things that they would want you as lead

516
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:14,079
agency to be looking at for their
benefit because that's the

517
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:19,280
responsibility of the lead agency is to
gather the information that all the

518
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:23,119
other agencies need to make their
decision. And so

519
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,319
um I thought it would be a nice thing to
have

520
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:30,720
» possibly a joint work session. We've
done it once before with when the

521
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:34,160
trustees were involved in an application
with you I think and we had the two

522
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,560
boards
I can't remember what it was for. It

523
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:43,280
might have been the old CVS or
>> something like that. But it was

524
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:47,839
something um where we we did that and
advertised a meeting. And I think it's a

525
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,960
nice thing to do on a on an important
application like this.

526
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,361
» We get pizza, too.
>> We can do that. [laughter]

527
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,119
» Pepperoni.
>> Roco, do you have any comments on this?

528
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,119
» Jim can even have some pizza while he's
not yet. But I do want to see I do want

529
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:05,440
to review the secret. So, you said you
would you would

530
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:11,040
» I'll distribute the information.
>> Yeah, definitely.

531
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:17,760
» We've all been attending Nikon training
events. I would assume this one goes

532
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:23,680
back to uh 2023. Wade, who teaches those
courses, really does a phenomenal job.

533
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:29,280
And as I recall that
training session, he did a phenomenal

534
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:35,280
job on it. So, I contacted Ncom today
and hopefully I can have that um

535
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,119
» information distributed. They said 24
hours.

536
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,839
» This only like an online class like
we've been doing

537
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:42,960
» it. It'll be a video. It'll be like a
YouTube

538
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:45,040
» so we can go stop, start, look at
action, just

539
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,599
» no interaction. Yeah.
>> Yeah, I'd like to do that.

540
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,119
» Okay.
>> And just keep in mind too that the DEC's

541
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,240
website,
>> it actually has some really good

542
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:58,880
resources as well. They have like
different levels of, you know, kind of

543
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,599
like an introductory level
>> a little bit a handbook. They have

544
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:06,720
something called the secret handbook
which is a Q&A style but in pretty good

545
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:12,640
detail and then they have the
regulations and more technical stuff.

546
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:17,520
But you know after you've done the Nikon
thing it's a great resource to you have

547
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,560
a question and I'm not available to
answer it.

548
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:24,640
» Yeah. You'll typically be able to find
that answer on the DC's website,

549
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,640
» especially that secret handbook, which
is

550
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:34,000
» I still look at it sometimes when I
>> um you know, they they've spent decades

551
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:39,162
working on it and refining.
>> Fix that now and refining it.

552
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,162
» Fix that. [laughter]

553
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,760
» So, I'll make sure you have all the
resources you need.

554
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:49,520
» Appreciate. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

555
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:52,319
» It's up to you.
hasn't changed. I don't think we should

556
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,200
be agency.
>> I can't hear you, Dave. I'm sorry.

557
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:59,000
» I don't think we should be lead agency.
My opinion hasn't changed.

558
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,119
» Larry Young comments.
>> No. Ready to go. Let's have a look at

559
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:07,359
all your stuff.
>> We've already voted to be lead.

560
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,880
» That ship sailed.
>> Dave wasn't on the boat that day.

561
00:48:09,893 --> 00:48:15,160
[laughter]
>> Somebody let the air out of the tires.

562
00:48:15,788 --> 00:48:23,119
» [laughter]
>> All right, then. So, um I guess we'll

563
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:28,559
adopt I need a resolution then.
>> Just just uh it's sort of informal just

564
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:32,720
to let the staff know that we can
>> start the the process for you. So,

565
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:37,760
predicated on the polling that we did
and the uh actions we taken this

566
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:43,680
evening, um the planning board of the
village of West Hampton Beaches is

567
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:46,720
extending itself to be lead agency if
we're so honored in the future.

568
00:48:45,918 --> 00:48:50,503
[laughter]
>> There you go. I like that.

569
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:54,440
» I respectfully deserve.
[laughter]

570
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,440
» It is an honor.

571
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,079
» Okay.
>> Tick tick tick. I need a motion for

572
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,240
that.
>> No, we don't. We don't need a motion.

573
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,240
» I second a motion.

574
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:13,599
» We're done.
>> It's not It's not even

575
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,440
» We just need instruction. That's all.
It's not There's nothing formal about it

576
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:22,160
yet. It'll be formal at the at the
meeting when

577
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,480
they actually adopt fleet agency status.
So,

578
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:30,079
» it'll be at that meeting that we need
for

579
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:33,440
» Thank you, Tony. on the vote now.
>> All right.

580
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:38,079
Haven't been adjourned yet.
>> I need a motion.

581
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:40,319
» Well, it was the way you presented that
to the PCA. Nice.

582
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,880
» Oh, yeah.
>> I have minutes from August 13th. I need

583
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:47,599
a resolution to accept the minutes as
written.

584
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,319
» Go with it.
>> I

585
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:51,319
» I

586
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:58,800
um
that's it.

587
00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:00,800
Need a motion to close.
>> Make a motion.

588
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:05,880
» Okay.
>> Anything you want to talk about for

589
00:50:02,554 --> 00:50:05,880
[laughter] next meeting?