[0:02] Welcome to the planning board meeting
for August 27th. Our next meeting is
[0:06] September 10th. Please stand for the
pledge.
[0:10] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:15] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:21] justice for all.
[0:28] We have a decision for Lan Realy 11
Hazelwood Avenue.
[0:34] Anybody here for the applicant?
Um, wave the reading. We need a motion
[0:40] to accept the resolution as written. So
moved.
[0:43] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[0:45] » I.
>> Uh, we'll begin with the work session.
[0:49] Sherman Properties LLC, 61 Sunset
Avenue,
[0:54] » you're right.
[1:00] You guys can talk about it because it's
a work session. Comments and
[1:05] chang.
[1:08] » Okay.
>> Well, we've got the comments and there
[1:10] aren't any real objections. I mean, this
is really a defensive maneuver. Try to
[1:16] keep the people in the 7-Eleven safe
from the crazies.
[1:23] propert.
[1:46] Well, I I think that's an enforcement
activity that we've really got to pay
[1:50] attention to and insist this is the
opportunity we have.
[1:55] » Yeah. Having garbage on their
>> right.
[2:01] [snorts]
From what I understand, they moved those
[2:04] garbage pales inside because people were
using them as their garbage pales for
[2:08] from their cars.
>> Because people were using them as
[2:11] village garbage pales. [laughter]
[2:15] » Well, I think we should ask that the uh
site be restored to the approved site
[2:20] plan that includes the shrubbery and the
garbage cans. And if that can be
[2:27] conditional, I think then we could move
forward.
[2:34] Yes, I agree.
[2:48] You really don't want them coming in the
store.
[2:51] » More of a bash one.
>> They're not Look, they're not good.
[2:54] » So, will you wait make a recommendation?
[3:01] » Okay.
>> And I'd like to see them not be black.
[3:04] » Okay.
>> Do we want bright, bright yellow?
[3:08] » No.
>> No. So, what do we want
[3:09] » then?
[3:13] » So, what color?
[3:19] maybe like a skin tone,
>> you know, at park if you set if the
[3:24] parking stalls are
>> if the parking stalls are 10 foot, you
[3:28] know, you have an opportunity to drive
between them. So, I would split in the
[3:31] middle and I would say six foot centers
instead of 4 foot centers,
[3:36] » you know, so you can't drive. So, it'll
catch and even at six foot centers, it
[3:40] doesn't catch every car.
[3:45] Yeah, most of them.
[4:05] If you when you go there late at night,
there's not a lot of cars there. That's
[4:10] the opportunity to drive in between
them. That's I'm just looking at it
[4:14] like, hey, tight them up. You know, not
10 foot on center, but maybe six
[4:22] » about
[4:26] Yeah, we'll you'll catch almost all of
them at six foot. So, that's just my
[4:31] thoughts.
[4:34] » So, we'll give the applicants some
suggestions and have them come back.
[4:40] » No yellow balls.
[4:55] Yeah.
[5:03] » All right. That's I guess there's a
bunch of little issues.
[5:08] » Is that it? Anybody else?
>> Done.
[5:11] » No, I think it's covered. Yeah. I or I
was going to say on the north and south
[5:15] side of that building there's brick
walls where you might be able to let up
[5:19] on the distance between the b
not have as many on each on each end
[5:26] » where there's brick walls
>> where one is probably going to aim for
[5:29] the front door or the glass areas but
you know
[5:38] Yeah, [laughter]
[5:42] » I six butt centers sounds good to me.
>> Welcome.
[5:49] » Yes,
>> we heard from you. That's enough.
[5:52] » That's enough from me.
>> How about Dave? He hasn't been talking.
[5:55] » I will defer to the collective.
>> We'll leave it. That will allow the
[6:01] experts to uh render opinions to the
applicant and we'll revisit
[6:07] 158 Mil Road, West Hampton Beach LLC.
162 Mil Road, West Hampton Beach,
[6:14] » LLC.
[6:21] » Okay.
>> Hey, members of the board, thanks for
[6:25] your time tonight. My name is Brian
Teeman and I am representing um the
[6:30] ownership of the uh the properties, the
subject properties. Um in short, what
[6:37] [clears throat]
our tenants are looking to do is to um
[6:42] basically operate the way Eerts used to
operate um by putting some paint on
[6:48] things and making things look a little
bit better, so to speak. Um
[6:52] so we're looking for um for site plan
waiver. Um we have and you know there's
[6:59] been a lot of talk as we know in our
small village. Um down the road um our
[7:06] tenants might have ideas of of other
things at which time we will come to you
[7:12] beforehand discuss um and see see what's
uh see what everyone likes. But for the
[7:18] time being, they'd like to just open um
they have their uh permit application in
[7:24] with the board of trustees for outdoor
seating, which um includes some uh
[7:30] outdoor lighting, seasonal. Um and
that's really that's really all. Um we
[7:35] got your comments today. Um so I'd be
happy to go through them with you if you
[7:41] would like to hear or if you'd like
written response. uh just let you know
[7:46] let me know how you want to handle that
and um we're happy to accommodate.
[7:50] » Well, I think um we were clear when you
got those today that we wouldn't be
[7:53] commenting or making the changes today.
So,
[7:57] » okay.
[8:04] » Bren, do you want to start off
[8:08] [laughter]
>> How about Brad?
[8:11] » Yeah. So, the comments were just
It's really just
[8:18] fence.
[8:38] one big question.
>> Yeah, I can I can address all those
[8:43] things. One is uh Brad, we got the note
about site plan versus survey marked up.
[8:50] So, we'll get that taken care of. Um
we'll get it formalized as a site plan
[8:54] overlay, so to speak.
>> [clears throat]
[8:57] » Um
the um handicap accessibility
[9:03] question on that. Would Brad, you and I
were at the site. Um would like a
[9:08] concrete pad
be the most logical thing for the first
[9:13] parking spot area that can get directly
to the front door.
[9:17] » Concrete or asphalt.
[9:22] Sure.
[9:30] » From either side of the car, probably,
right? Yeah. Okay. I mean, that makes
[9:34] sense. So, with the board's permission,
you know, we would want to uh rectify
[9:39] that with a with a pad. We'll look into
what material would be best for it. Um
[9:45] » stop
>> on the road.
[9:50] That doesn't Yeah, that doesn't doesn't
count for it.
[9:57] » So, it's a it's a good question, Ron.
Um, so the funny thing is
[10:02] it's we call it we're calling it a
parking lot, but it's really only a
[10:07] cleared space on a vacant property that
has been defaulted to a parking lot. So,
[10:10] I'm not really sure how it should be
handled.
[10:13] » That was really bad. [laughter]
>> Take notes, Jim.
[10:20] Why do I see the picture of a duck and I
hear the quacking of a duck? [laughter]
[10:25] » So, I just I'm putting that out there
because we want to handle it however the
[10:29] village wants to handle it. So,
[10:39] Sure.
[10:48] » The curbs. Yeah.
[10:56] » Yeah.
[11:06] » One of the things you talked about
[11:14] A lighting what?
[11:37] » Straight it up.
[11:43] spotlights or anything.
>> You have to be real careful.
[11:50] » Would that be under the
>> perviewed one way or the other? It's got
[11:53] to be defined.
>> That's under the perview of the board of
[11:56] trustees though, right?
>> Yes.
[12:03] They will enterain
temporary
[12:20] There's no permanent lighting on this.
[12:26] » No, not permanent. No, not at this
point. No.
[12:33] » Dumpster detail.
>> Sure.
[12:38] Um,
so the third thing that Brad had brought
[12:42] up that I wanted to address is the shed.
Um, the shed has been improved and fixed
[12:47] up. It was fallen down, doors were
missing, etc. Um, maybe down the road,
[12:52] we'd love to talk to you about maybe
some sort of use of it, but at this
[12:57] point, we're not looking for any
permission of use of it or use of it at
[13:02] all.
Um, we want to keep the outside the way
[13:06] it was when Eerts was there. Um, I don't
know how we need to handle the shed
[13:11] going forward, but um, for all intents
and purposes, it's
[13:17] structurally sound now and not intended
to be used.
[13:26] » Yes. So, I would notate as such.
>> Okay.
[13:32] You didn't make any changes.
[13:48] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[13:52] » For storage only. Maybe
>> something along those lines.
[13:58] » Sure. Okay.
[14:06] Okay.
[14:10] » It is on that application already and
noted about this application.
[14:15] » Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay. A little cleaning up and we'll see
[14:21] you again, I guess.
>> Yeah. I don't think Do we have to see
[14:23] him again?
[14:36] Well, I think we can rely on you to uh
handle that.
[14:42] » Mr. Chairman, I'd like to move forward.
I think it's a good business. Um I see
[14:48] I've been in the espion operation. It's
outstanding. And um I did go by the site
[14:53] today and I did see that shed, that nice
looking shed you have in that that north
[14:58] northwest corner of the property.
>> I want to rent it for the summer.
[15:02] » And and and in terms of the lighting,
although it's not in our wheelhouse,
[15:05] it's with the trustees, it's lighting
that's not going to affect anyone
[15:09] because there's no residential area.
There's no
[15:11] » to that to that point, Don.
It's temporary.
[15:15] » Unlike the seasonal seating on Main
Street and closer to the downtown area,
[15:21] you are abudding or getting reasonably
close to the residential property. It's
[15:25] not
>> in front of the on the street. It's
[15:28] behind the building and what some of us
in this end of town have experienced
[15:32] with the movie theaters
morphing nightclub slashbar west
[15:38] whatever it is. Um, you know, it's, you
know, it's run pretty late at night.
[15:43] there has been some, you know, concerns
and some unhappiness.
[15:48] » So, I'm not saying that's what you're
going to do. I'm just saying to the
[15:51] extent that that gets brought up with
trustees with the lighting, hours of
[15:55] operation, um noise abatement, music,
that kind of thing. Just have those
[16:00] concerns raised at least.
>> Are you seven days a week or or five
[16:05] days a week?
>> Um I think we'll probably start at
[16:08] seven.
>> Okay.
[16:15] And to your point, uh, Dave, um,
additionally, I think one of the
[16:20] comments in, uh, the report from you
guys was, um, talking about optional
[16:26] rear yard landscape buffer,
>> which I think could be a good thing to
[16:30] discuss
>> uh, for the benefit of residential.
[16:35] » You know, like I said, if you're going
to be stringing those lights that you
[16:38] get at Home Depot, that's one thing. I
think it's more noise issue, amplified
[16:43] music, you know, right?
>> These things sudden do tend to happen.
[16:47] You know, nobody's really thinking about
it. It's just like, "Oh, let's do that.
[16:50] That sounds like a good idea."
>> This isn't going to be Scarlet's front
[16:52] yard, though.
>> What are the hours of operation?
[16:56] » Hours of operation.
>> I think it's it's it's not going to be
[17:00] late.
[17:03] Whether it's 9:00 or 10 o'clock
[17:12] [laughter]
[17:15] » have a working partner, huh?
>> It's not going to be just a breakfast
[17:18] place anymore.
>> No.
[17:21] » Okay.
>> Good.
[17:25] I'll still go I'll still go to your
>> Spiancor.
[17:29] [laughter]
[17:31] » Hopefully there'll be some more seats
now in
[17:33] » Spianc
Larry. Any input?
[17:36] » Uh, no. Looking forward to seeing it all
built.
[17:41] » Dave,
>> other than what I've said? No.
[17:44] » My piece.
>> Okay.
[17:46] » Thank you all.
>> All right. Thank you.
[17:51] West Hampton Performing Arts Center, 76
Main Street.
[18:03] » Good evening for the applicant, James N.
Hume, 323 Mill Road, West Hampton Beach.
[18:07] And we have the Julian, the executive
director, and our architectural support.
[18:12] Um, I've been to so many of these
meetings about this, I've kind of
[18:16] forgotten what we've told to who, but
just real simply, uh, we're looking to
[18:22] um remove some existing structures from
the uh the plan from the the site and
[18:29] provide an 8,900 square foot um addition
to the back of the property and some
[18:34] pretty extensive renovation internally,
mainly with the goal of uh creating more
[18:40] seating.
uh so that at for the same tick price
[18:44] we'll have more revenue so that we can
afford to bring in bigger names and
[18:49] larger groups of people u is really what
we're about. We're just um this is on a
[18:56] work session so we're not even public
hearing stage yet. I think because of
[18:59] the size of the building we well I know
because of the size of the building
[19:03] we've filed the special permit uh
application to the trustees
[19:08] um because it exceeds the uh the code
limit for square footage and we met with
[19:14] them last last week last week uh and had
a brief discussion with them about this
[19:19] project and we're here to uh get this
project moving with you guys as well. Um
[19:26] I think the big issue here is the
initial issue here will be uh secret if
[19:31] I'm not mistaken. Um
so I don't know where you want to go
[19:38] from here but we're to discuss any
aspect.
[19:42] » We we we given some thought to to seeker
on this and uh the
[19:49] the trustee the real big issue in this
is going to be parking and the impact on
[19:54] parking. That's that that's the big
issue. And right now the trustees are
[19:59] revamping, you know, there's a parking
moratorum and the trustees are revamping
[20:04] the parking code
and what we're contemplating is that the
[20:09] trustees will end up taking jurisdiction
over
[20:13] parking. We're not going to call them
variances anymore. They're going to be
[20:16] parking special permits. That's the
what's being contemplated
[20:21] um at least for the downtown area
because that's the area where it's
[20:27] municipal parking and the impacts are
going to be on the municipality as a
[20:30] whole as opposed to any individual
site. So, um at least our initial
[20:38] thought, you know, Brad and I talking
about it is that the trustees really are
[20:43] likely to be the lead agency on this.
um because of all the work they're
[20:48] working on as far as the
the new parking plan for the downtown
[20:54] area. So, and I don't think we've seen
anything quite like this in terms of the
[20:59] size of a
like a variance application for parking,
[21:04] but um they'll figure out how to handle
it and the new code will contemplate how
[21:09] to handle it. So most likely it it it's
going to make more sense for them to be
[21:16] lead agency on this.
>> As much as I love seeing you guys and
[21:21] we'll be able to see you anyway.
>> Doesn't mean you won't.
[21:23] » I agree. I agree with the council's
analysis. I think the the over
[21:28] overriding issue here is the parking and
uh that's in the trustes hands both
[21:34] because of the special permit and
because of the change of the law. So I
[21:38] think that makes a lot of sense to Put
the lead agency there as opposed to
[21:43] here.
[21:49] » Don,
>> Don, why don't you start?
[21:52] » I just have a
>> Let's get the experts.
[21:54] » I need I just need
[21:58] » Who'd like to go first?
>> There we go. [laughter]
[22:03] » Obviously broadstrokes. I would
I don't like to see what that protected
[22:10] » because you are proposing this sort of
mass behind the facade which is my very
[22:16] iconic east end of Long Island very
important
[22:19] » obviously
[22:25] you know it's
something of that magnitude
[22:29] » um and then I just sort of said you know
it's a very large 65%
[22:36] So I think we should probably provide
some data points that show
[22:41] you 500 tickets or we have this you know
year round demand or some sort of
[22:47] operational number
>> going to need the seats for the NBA
[22:50] games.
>> Yeah. Why the Knicks are going to repeat
[22:54] again?
[23:06] » We all
think
[23:15] » we could certainly provide the facade
easement. Um there's several other
[23:20] levels of protection for that. One is
that because of that easement, we're
[23:25] right now have an application pending
before the um historic board, landmarks
[23:29] board for the town uh and uh because
they need to approve this project
[23:33] because of the terms of the easement.
And one of the conditions that they have
[23:37] imposed is a letter from the CPF people
who provided the funds pursuant to the
[23:42] easement to confirm that uh what we're
proposing is within the scope of what we
[23:49] agreed to in that easement. But we'll be
happy to provide a copy of the easement
[23:53] itself.
>> Approval, not just advisory.
[23:58] » No, we need to get a certificate of um
>> should they be an involved agency?
[24:05] That's the first time I'm hearing that.
So they should be an involved agency for
[24:09] secret purposes.
>> I agree.
[24:13] » Landmarks and historic town Southampton.
>> Southampton.
[24:18] [clears throat]
>> It's interesting.
[24:22] » And then just you know as you evolve
along the process more of a site
[24:25] planning issue which is to say you know
you're removing these twotory structures
[24:30] that kind of have open space around
them. I think we might want to
[24:34] the north side of the property and how
we can preserve some of that reserve
[24:41] use. Um, but I think we may need to
soften that mask if we have the
[24:45] opportunity.
[24:49] » Yeneral,
>> Sure. Understood.
[24:52] » Understood.
[25:23] Even at night when lights are off. We
can't do that. Sorry.
[25:32] I'm not sure
[25:35] it's probably
[25:44] » major piece of this. Yes.
[25:57] We could stick to conceptual for now. I
mean, it makes the most sense for secret
[26:02] purposes to stay conceptual and not get
into the fine engineering stuff yet
[26:08] until
the real
[26:12] broad strokes are worked out.
>> Yeah, I agree.
[26:15] » You don't have to spend money on
>> that yet, right?
[26:19] » Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah.
[26:27] Right.
>> Yeah.
[26:41] The trustes are going to be handled
as we talked about.
[26:51] covering.
[27:13] » Understood.
>> We'll talk about that.
[27:19] redo the arithmetic at a minimum.
>> Sure.
[27:38] » Right now it is
based on
[27:46] like
[27:49] something that
>> Yeah, we can't rely on Rio Delben to run
[27:54] into the back of the building anymore to
provide contrasts, but
[28:00] we will obviously take a look at that.
Maybe a drive-in movie in that back lot.
[28:04] [laughter]
>> That's an idea.
[28:07] » Requires a whole bunch more parking, but
[laughter]
[28:11] » Don,
>> yeah, just just two minutes. First of
[28:13] all, congratulations on the grant money.
I know you probably worked hard on that.
[28:17] Been involved with that with nonprofits
and it's a lot of paperwork and it's
[28:21] more of a problem getting paid as you go
along. You you'll see that though. Um I
[28:27] have two things I just want to ask you
on your demolitions. Is this beautiful
[28:31] home of Sunset being demolished
>> where the gate is?
[28:35] » Yes,
>> it is.
[28:36] » Yes.
>> Okay. I just want to hand this to my
[28:39] planning board members. Although it's
out of our wheelhouse possibly.
[28:42] » Um
>> you have someplace to put it
[28:45] » one for the record.
>> Donated.
[28:46] » No. Unless you want to move it.
[laughter]
[28:48] » We don't.
>> We don't move houses anymore.
[28:50] » No. Okay.
>> Um my other question is I when this
[28:53] first hit the papers, I think in March
or April, we talked about profit margin
[28:58] on tickets
>> and um there's a big concern here. I
[29:02] represent the village taxpayers of
course on this board.
[29:05] » Um and there's a um a major problem with
tickets where we can go to the board the
[29:12] the ticket booth Wednesday and Sunday
but when you go online you get stuck
[29:17] with all these brokers that charging 75%
higher.
[29:22] » How does the brokers work? Do you get a
piece of that action?
[29:25] » No, not at all.
>> Can you avoid them?
[29:26] » No,
>> you can't avoid them.
[29:28] » No, they can. anybody can purchase
tickets from the theater. So we have a
[29:32] lot of um safeguards in place to try to
prevent against fraud because you know
[29:36] there's third party um ticket sellers
who just buy them up and resell them in
[29:40] an unfortunately legal way but then
there are some that um are selling uh
[29:45] fraudulently and and it's it's a mess
and uh you know New York State the
[29:51] attorney general I know is trying to
crack down across the country
[29:54] everybody's trying to crack down on it
but it's really
[29:56] » just to make myself clear I represent
the taxpayers of the village of
[30:01] Westester
Beach and I think you might want to
[30:04] consider an idea where village residents
could get a little more of a discount on
[30:07] the tickets for some events.
>> I think with increased capacity that's
[30:11] very possible.
>> Okay, very good. That's all I have.
[30:15] Chairman.
>> Yeah. Uh my only concern would be the
[30:20] north and the west facade. Uh looking
straight off in front, you got to get a
[30:24] mile back to be able to see what we
proposed up on the roof.
[30:30] You know, that's my only concern. Um I I
think the four square house that's in
[30:36] the rear is
a nice old house. U it's not an
[30:41] architectural gym, I would say, but uh
and the barber shop and uh historical
[30:48] society's got the barber pole. I don't I
don't know if that means
[30:52] » you could have a nice building,
[laughter]
[30:54] » but the inside of that building has been
>> grants for that.
[30:58] » Yeah. [clears throat]
>> renovated over time. So, it's it's an
[31:02] office. It's not There's no remnants of
the barber shop or uh Ria's presence
[31:08] there in the house any longer.
>> It's a nice house.
[31:17] » They're pulling down nicer ones.
They have
[31:22] » bulldozing them every day.
>> It's what we do in West Hampton.
[31:27] » Well, hopefully in return we're
providing a benefit.
[31:30] » This would be the rare occasion.
>> Yeah. Benefits the village.
[31:35] » Mr. Roy,
>> I just have to channel my inner Paul
[31:39] Hulahan here. Um,
>> no, it is what it is
[31:43] » from. [laughter]
I didn't believe you me. I know this is
[31:46] three decades in the past, but
>> my recollection of the whole
[31:50] preservation movement
>> was to preserve the small town feel of a
[31:55] movie theater
to just you know have that kind of venue
[32:01] preserved
and um
[32:05] if we do this I think that defeats the
purpose.
[32:08] » You want the NBA there?
>> It's just you know it's just that's what
[32:12] it was designed. That's why it was
preserved the way it was preserved. As
[32:16] Julian knows, I've spent most of the
last decade there. And, you know, I
[32:21] enjoyed every time I was there because
of the way it was laid out. And, you
[32:26] know, I could show my kids what it was
like when I used to go watch movies
[32:29] there. And it's a it's a continuation
thing. And I just think the the way it
[32:33] is is is part of the community. And I I
would just hate to lose that.
[32:37] » Yeah, I understand. And I'm sorry to say
this, but um and Dave, you know how much
[32:41] I love this theater. I've been there for
18 years, but one thing I've learned in
[32:45] 18 years and especially since CO is I I
don't mean to sound doomsday about it,
[32:50] but I don't think the theater will be
able to sustain at 425 seats. And if I
[32:54] thought it could, believe me, I I I
believe in the intimate nature of the
[32:59] auditorium. I love that it's a
conversation between artists, but I know
[33:02] John's going to speak to this in a
second. We have done everything we can
[33:05] in the design to uh retain the intimacy
of the theater. That's so important, but
[33:10] we need to have more seats. the cost of
acts. We want to bring in high quality
[33:14] worldclass. You know, in 2011, 12,13,
you probably all remember we had
[33:18] Blondie, the B-52s, uh Cindy Looper. I
mean, these are huge names that are
[33:23] completely out of our reach now. And
even if we can get the marquee name
[33:27] artists, the tickets are so wildly
expensive and we just we're not going to
[33:31] be able to sustain. We're facing ticket
price resistance. um people don't want
[33:36] to pay more than $150 per ticket,
understandably so in the the economic
[33:40] times we're in. And so I think again
with community in mind, I think we have
[33:45] to do everything we can to preserve um
the history and the intimacy of the
[33:49] room, but I think we really have to
think in terms of how this theater is
[33:52] going to exist for the next generations
to come.
[33:55] » John, do you want to speak to this?
>> John Rose, architect. One of our
[34:00] specialties is historic preservation
work. Um we do a lot of landmark work
[34:06] and as a kid I also attended that
theater. I recognize how important it is
[34:11] and the state and obviously will make us
preserve it but it's really important
[34:15] that when this is all done it's all put
back together from the inside you really
[34:20] won't feel much of a difference. Yeah,
the stage is getting bigger but the
[34:24] fabrics, the seating style, the general
layout is remaining the same. The front
[34:28] entrance will not be it'll be repaired
where it's falling apart a little bit,
[34:32] but it's going to stay exactly the same.
You won't be able to see the lion share
[34:36] of the work until you turn the corner.
As you know, there's a building on the
[34:40] corner that hides everything but the
front of the building. That won't change
[34:44] from Main Street. You won't be able to
see what we're doing from Main Street.
[34:48] You got to go around the back. So, I get
it. You're right. It's a really special
[34:53] place and it's going to stay that way.
[34:59] Will we be able to get the circus back?
[laughter]
[35:06] » That's all it takes.
>> Rock, you know, I I listen to what Dave
[35:11] said and I'm just thinking about how
much change we've seen in the village,
[35:17] you know, in the last 10 years, how many
different buildings have come in and
[35:21] knock, you know, the structures have
been knocked down. And I think
[35:27] the expansion is pro, you know, also to
keep it alive economically, I think the
[35:31] expansion is justified,
right? Um, I think in the process of
[35:38] trying to figure it out, I think the
elephant in the corner is part
[35:42] » and and just my thoughts as a
contractor, I'd want to figure that out
[35:47] before I burn a lot of money moving
forward.
[35:50] » But that's that's my thoughts on that.
>> Top of the list.
[35:53] » Yeah. because I mean you can go all the
way and then the parking falls apart
[35:57] » all these issues and
>> we're we're certainly aware [laughter]
[36:02] » so that's
>> working with the trustees and with
[36:06] » yeah I'm I'm sure architecturally you'll
bring it you you'll bring it in line
[36:10] » you don't have a choice
>> well well exactly don't have a choice
[36:14] but
so that that's my thoughts that's that's
[36:18] what I'm thinking
>> thank you
[36:21] do you want to make some comments are
you for this application.
[36:26] » Spectator.
[36:35] » Um, off the top of my head, no. But in
my records, since I've been involved
[36:40] since the very first shovel, I think I
could find that out.
[36:46] » It's just my curiosity.
>> Yeah. No, we can we can find that out.
[36:54] Well, I think this is really going to
wind up in the lap of the trustees more
[36:58] than the planning board for the
immediate future. So, I don't know when
[37:02] we'll be seeing you again.
So,
[37:06] and I think I don't think you have a
direction that you need to go into at
[37:10] this moment in order to proceed with the
path you need to go down. So, I don't
[37:15] really think this board has any more
significant comments than other than I
[37:21] think you need to say that you choose
not to be lead agency.
[37:24] » Well, we'll we'll get that start. We got
to get the
[37:27] » process started with the trustees and
>> I'll probably do that at the next
[37:32] meeting. So, it's a couple couple weeks,
right?
[37:36] » There's also and Britain would know
there's a hold over on the property
[37:40] north of the rear of the theater right
now. Am I correct, Britain?
[37:44] » There's a hold over right there because
they want to do something there also.
[37:48] There's a lot of development going on.
>> You know about that or not, Jim, but
[37:51] there's
>> Yes. Oh, no. I'm fully aware. Yeah.
[37:53] » Okay.
>> I'm not representing them.
[37:56] » Pardon me.
>> What effect?
[37:58] » What effect it has on you or them? I I'm
not sure, but
[38:17] Is that next week?
>> First Thursday. Oh my god. [laughter]
[38:22] » It's September.
>> It's September already.
[38:29] » Do we um need to do anything for that?
Do we need to come?
[38:32] » No, I don't.
[38:44] first week of September.
[38:48] » There's so many involved agencies that
we have to send out.
[38:52] » You know, we're not going to get like an
individual waiver here and there and
[38:55] speed up the process. So, we we just
have to go through that process and
[39:01] » Okay.
Well, we will see you at some point and
[39:04] we will look forward to it. Thank you
for working with you on this.
[39:07] » Nice seeing you, John.
>> Just like to say I really do appreciate
[39:11] and take all the comments to heart.
>> Thank you.
[39:18] » Okie dokie. Um, we're going to engage in
a secret discussion regarding 220 Dune
[39:25] Road.
>> Yeah. So, I can report back. Um, we told
[39:31] you we would address it with the zoning
board. They have no problem deferring to
[39:37] the planning board to be lead agency. So
I I think with your
[39:43] holding of the board last time,
what we could probably use would be just
[39:48] a resolution
um
[39:52] instructing staff to get that process
started to to let the involved agency
[39:57] know involved agencies know that you're
electing to
[40:03] uh or requesting to proceed as lead
agency and identifying them as involved
[40:10] agencies. So, if you want to do that
resolution, we'll get the process
[40:13] started.
>> Well, I don't know. Do we want to do
[40:16] that resolution tonight? Um, my thought
was,
[40:21] [clears throat] speaking for myself, the
secret pool is a deep one. And, um, what
[40:26] I did is I went to Nikon for the
training material that they do for
[40:35] planning boards and zoning boards. And,
um, bought the training session and I
[40:41] what I would like to do is give that to
each member of the planning board and
[40:46] anybody else who's interested so that we
all have a better understanding of the
[40:51] secret process and the steps involved
um before we start a clock. You have to
[40:57] start the clock. So when they file an
application, there's a requirement that
[41:02] you begin the process as early as
possible. And so we can't just drag out
[41:08] the beginning. Uh all you would be doing
>> for two weeks.
[41:12] » No, but it's already been several. They
started
[41:15] » an hour doing that was
>> Yeah, it's it's I'm just telling you
[41:18] that they're entitled to have it move
along. All we would be doing today is
[41:23] sending out notices that then it just
starts a 30-day process for other
[41:29] agencies to object or not to you being
lead agency. That's all. It's as as
[41:34] innocuous a step as there is. And
there's really no I can't say there's
[41:38] any reason not to do it unless you don't
want it anymore. I mean, if you change
[41:42] your mind about being lead agency,
>> he's asking for a delay doesn't mean he
[41:45] doesn't want it anymore.
>> I'm not asking for a delay. I'm asking
[41:48] for a period to gather information.
>> So, we will have that. I promise you
[41:54] there's going to be [clears throat]
ample period to gather information.
[41:59] » But we got to get we got to get you
started as lead agency and and that's
[42:03] going to take it takes 30 days just to
get to that ability for you to even say
[42:09] we are now lead agency.
All you'd be saying is we want to be
[42:13] lead agency. That's it. So, I I'm happy
to,
[42:19] you know, be involved and walk you
through this process and we're going to
[42:24] take our we're not going to rush this
process. I I that I promise you, but we
[42:29] at least have to give them a lead agency
because they are entitled to that.
[42:38] » Anybody want to make any comments?
>> There is another referral later on.
[42:56] What I'm hearing is
[43:02] » I want the board members to understand
the process
[43:06] » because it's not a simple process. You
know, this isn't like neg deck world,
[43:10] you know, where you're just going a
house, you know, down the block. This
[43:16] has a little more gravity to it than you
know our normal secret process here.
[43:27] » Nothing can happen. Um
[43:43] » I guarantee everyone
[43:48] So if you want between like one of the
meetings in September,
[43:53] » um
>> we could set aside to have a
[43:58] » just training material in my hands
tomorrow actually.
[44:02] » No, but after you have that problem,
>> you could distribute it and then we
[44:05] could have a session just to talk about
>> the process. That's all. I mean, we'll
[44:11] doesn't even have to be specific to this
application only, but just to
[44:14] » Yes.
>> kind of have a a primer and a and a
[44:18] refresher on the process that you should
expect.
[44:21] » I'd like [snorts] to do that.
>> So, we could do that.
[44:23] » The other thing I want to tell you is
that when when I had the discussion with
[44:26] the zoning board about it, they all said
they want to still be involved since
[44:31] they have a very big decision to make.
And one of the things that I told them
[44:38] we could set up when the time comes,
this is not next month and probably not
[44:44] the next month, but at some point would
be a joint work session where they can
[44:50] come and since you're the lead agency,
they can come as a board, not just as
[44:55] one person or two people, but we can
advertise it as a joint work session
[45:00] where you can hear their concerns about
things that they would want you as lead
[45:05] agency to be looking at for their
benefit because that's the
[45:10] responsibility of the lead agency is to
gather the information that all the
[45:16] other agencies need to make their
decision. And so
[45:21] um I thought it would be a nice thing to
have
[45:24] » possibly a joint work session. We've
done it once before with when the
[45:28] trustees were involved in an application
with you I think and we had the two
[45:32] boards
I can't remember what it was for. It
[45:35] might have been the old CVS or
>> something like that. But it was
[45:39] something um where we we did that and
advertised a meeting. And I think it's a
[45:46] nice thing to do on a on an important
application like this.
[45:49] » We get pizza, too.
>> We can do that. [laughter]
[45:54] » Pepperoni.
>> Roco, do you have any comments on this?
[45:57] » Jim can even have some pizza while he's
not yet. But I do want to see I do want
[46:01] to review the secret. So, you said you
would you would
[46:03] » I'll distribute the information.
>> Yeah, definitely.
[46:07] » We've all been attending Nikon training
events. I would assume this one goes
[46:13] back to uh 2023. Wade, who teaches those
courses, really does a phenomenal job.
[46:20] And as I recall that
training session, he did a phenomenal
[46:26] job on it. So, I contacted Ncom today
and hopefully I can have that um
[46:33] » information distributed. They said 24
hours.
[46:35] » This only like an online class like
we've been doing
[46:37] » it. It'll be a video. It'll be like a
YouTube
[46:40] » so we can go stop, start, look at
action, just
[46:43] » no interaction. Yeah.
>> Yeah, I'd like to do that.
[46:46] » Okay.
>> And just keep in mind too that the DEC's
[46:49] website,
>> it actually has some really good
[46:52] resources as well. They have like
different levels of, you know, kind of
[46:56] like an introductory level
>> a little bit a handbook. They have
[47:00] something called the secret handbook
which is a Q&A style but in pretty good
[47:04] detail and then they have the
regulations and more technical stuff.
[47:10] But you know after you've done the Nikon
thing it's a great resource to you have
[47:15] a question and I'm not available to
answer it.
[47:18] » Yeah. You'll typically be able to find
that answer on the DC's website,
[47:22] » especially that secret handbook, which
is
[47:25] » I still look at it sometimes when I
>> um you know, they they've spent decades
[47:32] working on it and refining.
>> Fix that now and refining it.
[47:36] » Fix that. [laughter]
[47:39] » So, I'll make sure you have all the
resources you need.
[47:42] » Appreciate. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[47:46] » It's up to you.
hasn't changed. I don't think we should
[47:51] be agency.
>> I can't hear you, Dave. I'm sorry.
[47:53] » I don't think we should be lead agency.
My opinion hasn't changed.
[47:59] » Larry Young comments.
>> No. Ready to go. Let's have a look at
[48:02] all your stuff.
>> We've already voted to be lead.
[48:06] » That ship sailed.
>> Dave wasn't on the boat that day.
[48:09] [laughter]
>> Somebody let the air out of the tires.
[48:15] » [laughter]
>> All right, then. So, um I guess we'll
[48:20] adopt I need a resolution then.
>> Just just uh it's sort of informal just
[48:26] to let the staff know that we can
>> start the the process for you. So,
[48:30] predicated on the polling that we did
and the uh actions we taken this
[48:35] evening, um the planning board of the
village of West Hampton Beaches is
[48:40] extending itself to be lead agency if
we're so honored in the future.
[48:45] [laughter]
>> There you go. I like that.
[48:48] » I respectfully deserve.
[laughter]
[48:50] » It is an honor.
[48:56] » Okay.
>> Tick tick tick. I need a motion for
[48:59] that.
>> No, we don't. We don't need a motion.
[49:01] » I second a motion.
[49:05] » We're done.
>> It's not It's not even
[49:12] » We just need instruction. That's all.
It's not There's nothing formal about it
[49:15] yet. It'll be formal at the at the
meeting when
[49:19] they actually adopt fleet agency status.
So,
[49:22] » it'll be at that meeting that we need
for
[49:26] » Thank you, Tony. on the vote now.
>> All right.
[49:31] Haven't been adjourned yet.
>> I need a motion.
[49:36] » Well, it was the way you presented that
to the PCA. Nice.
[49:39] » Oh, yeah.
>> I have minutes from August 13th. I need
[49:42] a resolution to accept the minutes as
written.
[49:45] » Go with it.
>> I
[49:48] » I
[49:53] um
that's it.
[49:57] Need a motion to close.
>> Make a motion.
[50:00] » Okay.
>> Anything you want to talk about for
[50:02] [laughter] next meeting?