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The Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month, at 6.30 pm, in the council chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live on WLV-Channel 10.

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West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month.

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West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month.

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West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month.

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West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and

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West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month.

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At 6.30 pm, in the Council chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live on WLV Channel 10.

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The West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community.

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And seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective. The city council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month.

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The West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the 2nd and 4th Wednesday of each month, at 6.30pm, in the

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Council chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live on WLV

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The West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and

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seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the 2nd and 4th Wednesday of each month, at 6.30pm, in the Council

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Chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live on WLV Channel 10.

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The West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community,

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and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month, at 6.30 p.m. in the

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Council chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live on WLV,

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Channel 10, and Webstreamed on the City website, accompanied by a replay schedule each week.

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The West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and

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the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month.

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At 6.30 pm, in the council chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live

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on WLV Channel 10. And Webstreamed on the City website,

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accompanied by a replay schedule each week. Please stay tuned,

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the City Council meeting will begin shortly.

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The West Lake Village City Council is committed

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to the ideal of a quality community and seeks the input of community residents to maintain

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this objective. The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month,

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at 6.30 pm, in the Council chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live

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on WLV Channel 10, and Webstream on the City website, accompanied by a replay schedule each week.

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Please stay tuned, the City Council meeting will begin shortly.

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The West Lake Village City Council is committed to the ideal of a quality community, and seeks the input of community residents to maintain this objective.

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The City Council meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month.

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At 6.30 pm, in the council chambers at City Hall, all City Council meetings are broadcast live on WLV, Channel 10, and Webstream on the City website, a company by a replay schedule each week.

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Your council members are all in attendance.

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Excellent.

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I'd like to call to order the steady session meeting of the city of West Lake Village City Council on Wednesday, March 26th,

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for 35 p.m.

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Mr. Degos.

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Oh yeah, I'm sorry.

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Madam Clerk, are there any public comments?

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There are no public comments.

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What?

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What?

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I'm going to get it together.

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I'm going to get it together.

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Roll call, please.

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Council member D. This?

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Council member Pearl?

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Council member Halpern?

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Mayor Pro Temick Sweeney?

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Present.

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And Mayor Hooneck?

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Present.

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OK, now.

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Procursion goes.

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Put enforcement.

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Yes, no.

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Thank you.

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Mayor Hooneck.

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Council members?

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Good to see you all.

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The purpose of this study session of every opening remarks before our planning director will

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go over the presentation, but the purpose of this study session is for the Council to discuss

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modifications to the Code Enforcement Program, the City Council established a goal in 2024

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to evaluate and update the Code Enforcement Program that would allow for citations and financial

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penalties for violations of the municipal code, which we don't have right now.

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And also to evaluate the costs and resources that would be needed to administer a more robust

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code enforcement program.

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So that was the council goal.

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This is a study session this afternoon.

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So no specific action is needed, but we do want to advance the discussion and get further

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direction on what might be a more robust code enforcement program that could be implemented.

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The administrative committee has been working on this over the calendar year of

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24 in particular, that was, at that time, Mayor Davis and Mayor Pro Tem Honig, and they provided

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input on the modification to the Code of Force Program, a staff has been working on it.

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So, they met on March 11th, and on May 21st, and then we had a council study session on the matter

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in September, that was September 11th, and it went back to administrative committee, and they

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the committee work and the council's stay session have been considered and we've tried to incorporate it into what will be presenting and talking about this evening.

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It's been an interesting exercise and a challenging one and in large part I see this is because we're trying to balance a number of different values that at times can be in conflict with one another a little bit.

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And that's what we're trying to sort of work through.

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And I mean by that, it's important as a value to enforce the municipal code,

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consistently, and include administrative warnings and even citations

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to achieve compliance to do that.

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Because we believe in the municipal code, we approve ordinances for a reason.

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But we also have a value of holding to a light touch, not a heavy hand as a city,

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to find ways to incentivize support and compliance that avoids sort of a penalty approach.

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So you might say more of a carrot-than-a-stick approach.

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That's been our mode of operations since incorporation.

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And I think it's a good one when we get a lot of support from our community.

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So we feel good about that.

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The planning department has been lead on this initiative.

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Planning Director Kristen asks you will provide that sort of presentation.

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And lastly, before I hand it over to Kristen, I was just important to note these assumptions

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that we're working on as staff as we try and be responsive to the council goal, which

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is deemed to evaluate and update the enforcement program.

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One of the things we really do want to do is maintain the current culture of striving for

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voluntary compliance of the municipal code, in partnership with our residents and businesses,

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with administrative citations being really rare and seldomly used as a tool, the program must be consistent with all legal requirements and best practices.

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The program must provide the necessary due diligence throughout the course of a code enforcement action.

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And if we have a more robust program, we need more structure and resources to...

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We are going to be able to manage it, which is appropriate, and so we have evaluated that as well.

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So the draft modified code enforcement program that we'll discuss today, I think it accomplishes

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a lot of what the council is wanting to do here, and we're confident we can make it happen,

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but again, there are some differences of views on this, particularly with certain types of violations,

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and so we're going to get into that a little bit today as we go through the presentation.

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but I'll pass it on to Kristin's just to sort of walk through where we are today and largely

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reflects what we discussed with Ned and Kelly at the last admin meeting in December.

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But with that, Kristin, if you'd like to see it.

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Thank you, Mr. Degos, Mayor members of Council, just sort of a brief reminder of sort of the

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of administrative citation process into our code enforcement program, you know, there have to be

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clear procedures for how fines are issued, enforced, reviewed, and collected. We have to ensure

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that there is due process by providing proper notice and opportunities for a fair hearing if one

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is desired. A hearing must be conducted by an impartial hearing officer, and that is recommended

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that a private contractor conduct this role that it is not conducted by the use of

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city employees, and that reminded that any finds must be reasonable and cannot be excessive

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in relation to the offense.

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So this next slide, which I think is going to be the bulk of

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discussion is really to outline the process of what an administrative citation process would

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look like. Currently, if you look at this display of boxes, we live currently in the

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blue and the purple. We live sort of in this voluntary world of working with the community,

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trying to get voluntary compliance. If something is just unable to get compliance, we have

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the option of sending any violation to sort of the extreme is to the prosecutor for resolution.

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Those are the two options on the table today. What this administrative citation process

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is trying to introduce is the red boxes in the middle, how to use a tool in between those

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two choices.

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What we discussed with the committee at the end of last year was what are some of some

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examples, what would it look like in this blue period before getting to these red boxes?

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what would an example of this discretionary period look like before an administrative citation

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process, you know, before that first, you know, ticket is maybe issued, you know, to keep in

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that, to keep in that realm of seldom and rare issuance. And so some of the examples we gave were

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if somebody had a recreational vehicle, perhaps in our V, perhaps a boat, that they, that they

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parked in their driveway, that is something that's not permitted in the, in the single

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family residential zones. And if it was discovered by the co-compliance officer, and you

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discussed with the property owner, that, hey, this isn't permitted, you know, how could

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be corrected. That is something that could, you know, within 24 hours, 72 hours, could be

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corrected quite easily. That is something, you know, in terms of the number of days,

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that could be corrected quite quickly. In the instance of somebody built, you know, something

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more significant, perhaps it was a block wall, perhaps we discovered somebody built the deck

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off the side of their house, off the rear of their house, and when we discovered it, oh,

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this is nearly completed. It's discovered by a code enforcement officer. This is, you know,

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this is nearly done. We need to correct this, how long, you know, what it takes to correct,

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obviously something like a 24 hour or something, you know, 72 hour, a correction period is probably

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we're not reasonable.

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Correct? That's where something like a 30 day notice of how can we, you know, what kind of resolution

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would you need to get a new contracting crew out there to remove or make modifications to get

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this to be, quote, compliant out there, give a 30 day notification, revisit the site within 30 days,

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see that progress is being made, so that we're still in this

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blueprint of warnings and not in the world of an actual

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citation. So those are some examples of continuing to be rare

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in seldom before issuing a citation.

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Any questions?

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question?

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Just to re-emphasize,

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currently, we either have compliance or that rises to the seriousness

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of suing them civilly or in a case of a criminal thing, charge them criminally.

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That's the only two options, either they comply or we take you to court.

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That's all we have right now, right?

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Those are our only tools.

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So this might be a solution to putting something in the middle between requesting a compliance and forcing a compliance.

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This is another tool available to us.

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Yeah.

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I understand.

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That's a really good point.

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Consmemidators.

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And so we don't have that red section at all right now, which is in the blue or the purple.

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And we have a really want to go to the purple.

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This is really a greatest and really a health and safety problem.

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And this structure, we also believe, we believe creates a lot of flexibility for staff.

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We don't have to get into that red zone quickly.

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It's dependent on the context of the situation if we have a homeowner or a business that is

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legitimately working with us to try and resolve the issue and it goes beyond 30 days.

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We would stay in the blue to keep resolving, no matter.

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And it's only when we've truly exhausted all those efforts and we are just not getting any

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cooperation anymore from the individual that's violating the municipal code, then we would

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move into this sort of middle section in the citation.

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But it's also with the process.

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It's nothing, it won't be a surprise, right?

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That's true.

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Thank you.

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That's understood.

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Any other comments, questions?

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OK.

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So, but we do know that in the world of leaf lore violations, that that's a slightly different

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different topic, and we feel that those violations and complaints are more numerous and

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would result in more frequent warnings and potential administrative citations for a period

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of time.

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And that additional resources would be needed to apply the revised code enforcement program

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to address the floor violations.

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The Council feedback included interest in additional pre-citation efforts, such as fix-it-tickets,

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promotional rebates, and additional education related to gasoline floor violations.

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We also have additional oak tree violations and separate considerations for unique and separate

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citation fees for those which we'll get to a little bit later. I'm actually going to ask Caleb

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to chime in here on the AQMD rebate program related to that in the fixer tickets.

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Yeah, so with electric lawn maintenance equipment, the AQMD offers a pretty robust program

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for both residential and commercial users. So for residents you can get your leafflowers,

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bloggers, lawnmowers, even chain saws. And through their process, if you come in with a receipt

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from an eligible time period inventor, you're then eligible for a rebate of $250 in the case

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of leafplores and then for commercial landscapers up to $1,400. You have to submit the gas powered

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machine to them. So you basically turn that in as well. You get this voucher. We've been promoting

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this as well. One thing to note is that currently for about a month period, the commercial

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program is on pause, but that will go...

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Back live in mid-April. So it's been closed since around March 10th of this month, and we'll resume next month.

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Some questions about that. It's your mat. How many commercial people have asked for that?

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just a guess? I don't have a guess we held a informational session about a year and

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half two years ago where we had a good handful of smaller programs and larger

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programs join us to discuss rebates with Agza and what could be coming from the

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state. So there does seem to be interested. It's certainly a discussion as we look

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at leafflowers compared to the other items. The leafflowers electric uses

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much more common than say a chainsaw. So that seems to be where most of the interest is in,

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but for a lot of the commercial accounts, it's about how much can they receive back when

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they transition over. So the more larger pots of funding that are available certainly help

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the commercial side. And what's considered commercial? So any, I mean, all of the people that do landscaping

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of a business, so what defines commercial?

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So for commercial in the AQMD, you have to be a commercial gardener,

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land-scaper, school district, colleges, local government agencies, or non-profit to be eligible.

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So commercial applies also to the public sector, excuse me.

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So, I'm a little bit confused about why we would be getting $14 to a landscaper that maybe did six

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houses in West Lake, and $30,000 in Oaks.

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The ACMD does take that into account as to how to serve that.

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So you have to be servicing and I'm looking for it here on my page,

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but I believe it is about 50 plus percent of your business

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has to be in Los Angeles County.

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Good answers.

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Thank you.

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Los Angeles County though.

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Can we make that more restrictive

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and still get the rebate?

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The AQMD program applies for all of Los Angeles County.

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We have not had any discussions with them

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about specifying for West Lake Village

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for commercial users,

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especially knowing that as a city were smaller,

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so we might represent a portion of their customer base

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becoming too restrictive could be a hang-up

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for some of these commercial accounts.

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We just add that, and this is ACMD funding,

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not city funding, that would support that.

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And I believe a county of Ventura has a similar program,

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you know, for gardeners, they're there.

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Correct.

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They have a very similar program comes from the same funding

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source that applies to commercial accounts for them as well.

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And the funding is state funded?

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That's my understanding that state grant funding goes through to fund this program and then gets replenished on what looks to be an annual basis.

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So in just a comment at this point, it seems to me that more of the rebate should go to the resident who should give it to their landscapeer.

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Because the residents or the ones that are going to be paying the fines, if we decide to go that way.

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Just wondering about the difference between...

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Is that...

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To do with the AQMD?

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There's two positive funding, so one for commercial and then one for residential.

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So if a resident did want to have their gardener use electric, they could use that rebate for their own property

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and then leave their electrically floor for the commercial gardener to use.

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Good answer.

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Has always.

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Thank you.

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And the next next option or a way to address is,

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is a fixed ticket.

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Should somebody be cited for music and gas leaf lower.

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If they're cited with the first administrative citation,

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if they were to come in within the first 30 days.

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and show proof of buying an electric leaf lower within those first 30 days, we would remove the citation within those first 30 days, so that's another option.

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And that's a administrative thing. It doesn't cost us anything.

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I mean, we're not. It doesn't fix it. It doesn't cost them anything other than buying the, buying the, the blower, buying the blower, and then just the administration part on our end of.

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Administrator is, as an outsourced administrator, or is that.

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Well, it can be done here before there's an appeal.

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I mean, we're still administering the, the, the ticket and having to, to take off the ticket. So I mean, there's a small amount.

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So it's a one-stop shop if they do, they bring in the lower or show you the receipt.

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We're still administering it, either way.

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Yeah, okay.

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So, great, go ahead.

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So just in this world of ghastly flower, some policy options to sort of guide this discussion

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moving forward, we can proceed with establishing the administrative citation procedures.

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sort of accepting that warnings and citations to achieve compliance would be more frequent during the initial enforcement period.

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Option two, proceed with establishing administrative citation procedures and accept that education and other incentives for gas powered leafflowers would remain the principle approach for enforcement.

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Third, repeal or amend the leaf lower ordinance, and fourth, which is always an option

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do not add administrative citations to the code enforcement program.

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I have a question on number two, except in education in the Senate's Regassiply leaf

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flows of violations who remain the principal approach for leaf code enforcement,

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and no citation.

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I think that this would fall more into the core principle of that administrative citations

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would be rare and seldomly used, so that education and discretion like my other examples

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would be the...

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That's where we are right now,

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again, the red being a tool, but would be rare and seldomly

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used.

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The difference in Councilman with Davis on number two there would be we would still establish the administrative

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citation program for the municipal code as a whole, right, but the direction from Council would be but but you know

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Don't go to citations for that this particular violation stay in the as a principal stay in the education

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so he's suggesting that it's it can be adopted and then

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And the implementation of that particular code, because it's so verbose, yeah, well,

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pervasive, pervasive, sorry, pervasive, thank you for the better attitude.

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That we could continue to warn, even give written warnings.

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You would get approval from the Council after that program.

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How many warnings do we put out?

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Is it time to start issuing citations?

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Is that what you've talked about?

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We could do that, Ms. Really Council's discretion, you know, just going back to the first option

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up here, what we wanted to get direction from Council was we feel like we've created a program

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that works and we have tried to address the issue of, we may see more frequent warnings

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and situations if we implement this, through the ACMD program and maybe a companion program

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inventory county plus the fix it ticket option or them is that sufficient to address the concern

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that makes it rare and unusual maybe which this is and this is unknown right once you

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we've been giving warnings for the last couple of years that this is on the books and

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this is no audience and you need to use electrically flowers but we haven't had any threat

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of a citation if we implemented a citation program that's on the books we have a structure

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resources to do that, and now someone gets a warning, and they know there's a legitimate

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citation that could follow, what would be the result, what would be the behavior change,

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you know, one could argue that we may not ever get to those citations, but they still

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would be rare, because that that warning has a little more strength to it now, and people

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will make the change and buy the right leaf off. On the other hand, I suspect we will still

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see some people, they won't abide by it and we'll get the citation.

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So we don't know.

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And then they'll come in and get the education, maybe, so we don't know.

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But the second point, which is where you were going, is that the Council can give direction

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that certain violations of their missiles.

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There are different than others. They're not all the same. Have a health and safety, impact, which is much

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more significant than you mentioned, Mayor Hoeningy. Like a fence that is the foot higher, then it should be.

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It's an aesthetic issue. It's a real issue, but it's different than a health and safety issue that we might be facing.

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So the council can give direction on leaf blow, for instance. It's a pretty pervasive in terms of the violations.

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that for a longer period of time, let's stay in that blue section of education and not go into

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citations until further direction is given by the council and that's you have that option.

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Mr. Jigos, are we deciding how flexible or in flexible our process is going to be?

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Or am I?

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And in a certain way, I would say, if you look at these options, for instance, the first one

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is less flexible in a certain way.

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If that was the direction, we would anticipate that we would be citing people for this

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by a leaf blown violation under certain circumstances after a verbal warning, written

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warning, and they didn't take advantage of the fix that ticket, and they would receive

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citations. But we're still that leaves a lot of flexibility in how we proceed, right? It's not.

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So it leaves some flexibility, but this is the direction we need, you know, if we were to,

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and we're not doing this tomorrow. So we are still still. That's fine. Yeah, but how we would deploy this

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with our code enforcement officer. We would need to know where the comfort level is with the council

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on at what point, okay, with us issuing a citation. You gave a very nice answer. I asked the question

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and kind of awkwardly.

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Sorry,

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comment, so but if we proceed with this establishing this enforcement code, this code

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and administrative procedure, that applies to all code enforcements in our city.

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That's right, I mean, it's not just about leafflowers.

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It's about any code violation, whatever that might be.

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That's great.

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And would that include oak trees, Kristen?

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It would, and that's actually my next slide.

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Any ready comments before we let her go to Oak Tree?

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Something useful.

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No.

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So I'll give what's undoubtedly going to be an unpopular opinion,

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but I'll do it anyway.

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There's one item missing on this specific slide,

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and it would be option five,

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which is to repeal the leaflet ordinance.

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It's there in Item 3, but it says repeal or amend and the reason that you would do that

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is because what we've done thus far is failed other than in the city contracts.

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We made a big change, we made a big effort with our contracts paying more, working diligently

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with our contractors to set the right example, we have done the education that has led to some

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change with our residents, but based on complaints that we're getting,

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there's at least

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a big portion of our city that is voting on this ordinance with their actions, which is

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North. And not worry about it. And then what it leaves us in the position of being is the

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leafbler police. One of the things that the city has relied on for as long as I've lived

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here is our HOA system. And how each of our neighborhoods other than one has an HOA that

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police is a number of things that are in individual CC&Rs. And as I've talked to some HOA members,

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the most unpopular thing that they do is find their neighbors.

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And then they have appeal processes.

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And then you get called in front of the board and the board agonizes over those decisions

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and often they are let the fines go figure a way out of it.

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But it's always very uncomfortable neighborhood by neighborhood and again the least popular

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thing in HOA does.

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So now what we're going to do is ask staff to be the HOA for the city while the council says,

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great idea let's enforce this all the discretion goes to staff and that now leads leaves

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rob in the city attorney in the position of being leafbower police and that flexibility

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I fear has an opportunity to be weaponized by those that come held our high water I want

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this enforced and it's in your code and if you don't do it I'm going to come to the dius and I'm

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going to yell at the council the city manager of the city attorney why are you not enforcing

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and now

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Now we're in a city-wide HOA meeting explaining the discretion that we have. This ordinance that we passed is we're talking about was aspirational. It was a goal, sustainability, and I believe it passed five to zero if I recall. Maybe four to one, but it was, it was, it was passed.

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One thing along the way, and Rob, I see in this report in Kristen that we've sort of dismissed this.

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But if our goal is behavior change, which I think is ultimately the goal, it isn't to find people.

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It isn't to create watchdogs, it isn't to put staff in a position.

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Our answer to behavior change is it's AQMD's job.

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I believe if we want behavior change, it's our job.

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And I've said, this will be now the third time, if the city wants the behavior change,

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and we should put our money where our mouth is and create a rebate program for our residents.

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It doesn't require you to turn in a gas-powered machine.

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It doesn't require you to figure out where the ACMD paper work is.

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You come down to the front desk.

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You find a lease or carol, Kristen Miles.

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You get a piece of paper.

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And we give you a hundred bucks for a receipt.

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That's it.

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There's the behavior change.

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But what we're doing is, instead, we could have a thousand questions today where we try to figure out this administrative burden that we're now going to place on staff,

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all because we want people to change their behavior, and I just think there's a better way.

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So are you suggesting it be repealed?

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I'm suggesting that something that we could consider short of some of the other suggestions I had.

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I wouldn't be opposed to a rebate program funded by the city to help people with something

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that they very apparently don't want to do, but I don't think any of us are going

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to get something out of who are fine, how great you collect at a hundred bucks.

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That's not what we want to do to our residents, I don't think, but if we gave a hundred

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bucks to change the behavior, great, let's do that, but to just say we're going to keep

441
00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:32,930
having this be aspirational and we're going to wish and hope that it all works, I'm no longer in favor of that, I think it's been a four or five year experiment that hasn't worked.

442
00:42:34,070 --> 00:42:40,110
Yeah, this is one of the most interesting discussions because it's convergence of trying to do the right thing.

443
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:47,470
Nobody wants to have to change it so we can cite people, but there have been some

444
00:42:47,470 --> 00:42:52,610
egregious things in the past that have led us to this point, and I think it seems

445
00:42:52,610 --> 00:42:56,710
like we all agree on this, that we would like to have a tool in the toolbox, if needed,

446
00:42:57,090 --> 00:43:08,550
and use it very sparingly to give a citation to a person or party that is not following

447
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:14,570
what needs to be followed. On the other hand, you've got an aspirational goal of, like you

448
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:21,050
say, the leafblowers that hasn't worked. And at this point, I appreciate what staff has

449
00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:27,800
done trying to find a middle road, but it really is a non-win. And Mr. Pearl, what you've just said is

450
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:41,180
is a very interesting proposition to find a way that we could incentivize and move forward with

451
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:43,660
the idea of trying to make it work.

452
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,060
So I like it under consideration.

453
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,220
Let me add some to that. You could get a rebate from the city and still get a rebate from

454
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:06,720
So, at that point, now you've actually, for $300, $350, you can buy one of the most expensive

455
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,340
electric blowers on the market,

456
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:15,490
it seems like a win-win to me, it seems like a win-win, and

457
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:20,230
when you come down for your $100 rebate here, they can explain to you how you can, oh hey, did

458
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:24,150
you know you can apply for rebate from the ACMD, here's the thing, go for it.

459
00:44:25,590 --> 00:44:37,430
Well, I think one of the things we have to consider is the administrative time and the staff time, you know, whatever we decide to do, we always have to keep that in mind.

460
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:46,730
We're very small staff, but I agree that would be great if it's not, you know, a burden.

461
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:52,530
Yeah, I appreciate that we are a small stuff and every new program is simple as a

462
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:56,290
base and we talk about it up here when we're working out the details and the structure

463
00:44:56,290 --> 00:44:59,970
of it, it all adds and is only so much, so much time.

464
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:13,780
But what I hear the council is talking about here is really number two. I think you do want to have an administrative citation procedure for the municipal code in its entirety.

465
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:23,660
But the direction is not to be siding on leaf blows, at least now unless you give a different direction and focus on education and other incentives.

466
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:29,900
like further rebates or other ideas could be a path forward.

467
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:37,520
So, yes, in my opinion we should have the structure.

468
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:47,180
We should have the citation procedure, because I think it's really important, not just for leaf blowers, but just in general, because we don't have that right now.

469
00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:54,920
have, you know, there's no reason to not have the tool, to other comments. And I mean, we can

470
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:04,820
further discuss the leaf blower issue. What is the time 3 now we're discussing this? You know,

471
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:17,160
my comment to that is, you touched on this before Mr. Degos. And that's the violation of the leaf

472
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,440
different things, the consequence of those things are very different.

473
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,460
And also of oak trees.

474
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:24,840
In oak trees too, yes, good point.

475
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:26,320
Yeah, they're very different.

476
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:28,760
I mean, the same administrative procedure

477
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,820
can apply, but how we would, as a matter of policy,

478
00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:37,160
enforce those, should be considered differently,

479
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,140
in my opinion, because the consequence of the violation

480
00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:42,860
is extremely different.

481
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,680
That being said, I think, you know,

482
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,620
I would be in favor of a rebate program.

483
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:57,540
I mean, you know, provided we can find the money in our budget.

484
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,200
Quite sure how much we're living in it.

485
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,800
I'm not quite sure how much we need to budget for that.

486
00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:13,640
I mean, I guess we can just do some calculations with our residents and think about that.

487
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,380
But I mean, I don't see the two as being mutually exclusive.

488
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:23,120
I'm totally opposed to repealing the leaf full of our ordinance completely.

489
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,000
I think that is a bad idea.

490
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,580
I do not want to do that.

491
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:34,640
But I'm definitely willing to entertain the idea of a rebate program.

492
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,820
And yeah, they could get both rebates.

493
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:37,860
That's a good point.

494
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:39,100
So I had.

495
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:42,600
I was just saying that you have a limited number of residents

496
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,800
who would buy a leaf blower in the first place.

497
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,840
I mean, so there's a cap to that.

498
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,640
And you could always, you know, you turn it,

499
00:47:51,820 --> 00:47:54,220
it's one for a resident, one for a dress,

500
00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:55,840
kind of a thing.

501
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,620
And additional, because this was really, you know,

502
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,880
and this actually never occurred to me,

503
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,000
which, sorry, interestingly,

504
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,760
just makes weaning over a year ago

505
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:15,620
or whatever, you know, in the many long time period we've been discussing this is, you

506
00:48:15,620 --> 00:48:18,960
know, you would said, well, I just have a leaf blower at my house and then my gardener

507
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:25,220
comes to my house. He uses my electric leaf blower. Okay, I was like a light bulb going

508
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:30,080
off. I had never really occurred because I mean, I had told my landscape or Miguel, you've

509
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,080
got a, you saw electric and he's like sure no problem. But I realize that's not the situation

510
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:41,100
for everybody. But that's a very simple solution that can be part of the education that I don't

511
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:48,920
necessarily know that we've described that adequately to the residents before. Here's

512
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,180
something like an issue. Forget one, plug it in, leave it outside, and they'll use it when they're

513
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:59,080
at your house. And then when they go over to woodland hills or wherever they're going, they're the next

514
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,560
customer.

515
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:11,280
Yeah. So, Mr. Matt, is there any way we could combine those two pools of money

516
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:19,880
and minister it or you have to go today? Certainly we'd have to look at what if any partnership

517
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:25,440
AQMD had directly or if we would be able to supplement in one fashion but that was something

518
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,340
we would have to reach out to discuss a little bit more in detail with them. Would you be willing

519
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:33,980
And to do that, I think we can have some good discussions with AQ.

520
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,180
It sounds like a good idea.

521
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:44,980
Also, Mayor Hoone, would you permit me to ask some questions, or the council to ask

522
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:46,860
some questions that Mr. Mike Witter?

523
00:49:48,620 --> 00:49:49,080
What's he do?

524
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:49,800
Absolutely.

525
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:51,560
Mayor Protem.

526
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,420
It's Sweeney.

527
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:53,800
Carry on.

528
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:58,580
Come to the podium and introduce yourself.

529
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,940
It's a fun part.

530
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:15,400
Mayor Honning. Council has been a long time since I've said this. Mike Woodard, public safety for city of West Lake village.

531
00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:24,080
And what was your job before that? Community preservation for about five years for the city of West Lake village.

532
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:28,960
Can you shed some light on what you think about what we're discussing?

533
00:50:30,740 --> 00:50:38,960
I'm very excited about this conversation, the direction of council, I'm also very excited about.

534
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:41,960
And what was your biggest thing that you saw?

535
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:49,500
I know that we call it the job that you've formerly held as beautification.

536
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,840
But some people and other cities call it code enforcement.

537
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Right, so it's community preservation.

538
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,280
I dealt with a plethora of different challenges in the city.

539
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,620
Some cities call that code enforcement, don't they?

540
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:04,120
They do.

541
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:14,710
So can you give us some kind of idea about what the most obvious

542
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:18,530
or not agree, just I don't want to say that.

543
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:22,670
The code's that people ignore it the most.

544
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:31,670
I would say there's a very still a very small percentage of people that will be non-compliant,

545
00:51:32,110 --> 00:51:39,530
whether it's car washes, leaf blowers, RVs, signage, whatever the violation may be.

546
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:43,810
We still have a very small percentage of people that are non-compliant,

547
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,220
but having a tool to at least let them know that this could happen,

548
00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:59,940
would be very helpful, I think, for your community preservation slash code enforcement person.

549
00:52:01,230 --> 00:52:04,710
Anybody else want to ask them, Mr. Wither, do any questions?

550
00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:09,710
Before you work to the city of West Lake Village, what was your job?

551
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:14,970
I worked as a deputy sheriff for the city of West Lake Village with LA County.

552
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:16,610
And how many years were you there?

553
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:17,610
32.

554
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:21,910
So you kind of know what you're doing when you're dealing with people who don't want to comply?

555
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:24,910
I've dealt with a number like that.

556
00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:29,690
But none of them unless you're talking to make sure what your training is for this.

557
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:39,370
Any other questions or comments for Mr. Woodard?

558
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:43,460
Thank you.

559
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:43,980
Thank you.

560
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:44,800
Thank you, Mike.

561
00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:48,890
Mr. Ghost.

562
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:50,950
Did you have some final comments?

563
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:55,670
Well, just add on the rebate program and the cost of that.

564
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:57,690
It's not in the budget right now.

565
00:52:57,690 --> 00:53:04,370
We do have a study session with the general fund for programs like that coming up on 9th of April.

566
00:53:05,650 --> 00:53:10,430
Which would be another good time to think about it again in context of the entire general fund budget.

567
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:20,610
And is it in fact an area where you would like to spend money on a rebate program to buy individual families or people?

568
00:53:20,610 --> 00:53:25,170
Electrically flowers. Does that fit with the highest value that you have?

569
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:30,970
So, I just, you'll have that context of the entire budget in a couple of weeks, so I'll

570
00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:32,990
say, we'll be taking it up here, and then.

571
00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:40,270
One of the things that I find really, I don't know what, so I want to see controversial

572
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:45,690
about what we're talking about is that, you know, I think, to me it's pretty obvious, we're

573
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:50,170
going to have to charge more for the assessment districts at some point.

574
00:53:50,910 --> 00:54:03,340
So, giving me rebates, then I think that's something we really have to think long and hard about when we come to the budget.

575
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:07,840
Right, I agree because the money has to come from somewhere.

576
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,100
So there's just, let's say, 3500 homes in West Lake, times 100.

577
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,060
You know, that's $35,000.

578
00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:20,340
$1,000 would probably need to succeed.

579
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,120
Right, if we count it everybody, right.

580
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,440
I mean, yeah.

581
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,160
So yes, I agree.

582
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:35,120
If the MS isn't explaining, we'd have to consider that with our overall budgetary needs.

583
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:38,300
I can appreciate as a council.

584
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,460
We all want to see this ordinance work.

585
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:45,520
And clearly it didn't get to where we wanted to.

586
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:52,240
So, I really appreciate the ability to pivot and try something new that is more in line with

587
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:56,460
the way our city works and the happy friendly approach.

588
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,760
Anybody else?

589
00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:08,440
For overall comments, Mayor?

590
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,120
I'm sorry. Are you looking for overall comments? I don't know where we are in the precinct too.

591
00:55:13,180 --> 00:55:15,060
Any comments you'd like to make, Mr. Pearl?

592
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:26,640
Just briefly then. Look on the leaf lower ordinance. I hear you, Mayor Honig, the idea of repealing this is tough.

593
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:32,000
And I understand that that's the least likely thing that's going to come out of this.

594
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:38,760
To me, I go to the behavior change, the whole goal of this was to get people to do something

595
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,060
that they're not currently doing.

596
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:48,100
And I think for me, what Mr. Halpern just said is how I look at this, the Wesley Village does

597
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:48,820
things differently.

598
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:49,980
We are not perfect.

599
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,080
You know, Mr. Woodard would have liked more tools in the toolbox.

600
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:55,580
And I think that's valid.

601
00:55:55,580 --> 00:56:01,200
But I also go back to one of my old Navy terms, the kiss term, keep it simple stupid.

602
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:09,480
And the presentation, no offense to Kristen and Caleb and the team, the presentation is pretty simple.

603
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,840
The amount of work that's going to go into this, and I don't think we're keeping it simple.

604
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:20,420
And if we're going to do anything along the lines of this code enforcement,

605
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:26,420
And I for one would only support it in limited use, and that'd be as simple as possible.

606
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:32,440
And one of the things I really worry about is that this is going to be weaponized by the

607
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,240
occasional,

608
00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:40,120
it's a way to blow up what happens in individual HOAs to put it on steroids,

609
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:46,100
to put it at the feet of our staff to go out and say, it's in your code, you have code enforcement,

610
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:52,820
I want my neighbor or my ten neighbors find because they are violating this part of our code and I

611
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:54,980
I don't want to indulge that

612
00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:57,860
I'm beginning of this, too. So how do we accomplish that?

613
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:06,560
Mr. Degas. Well, yeah, and City Tony Bogum, I'd be able to help. I do believe we retain the discretion even with with that

614
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,980
Council member Pearl and I agree we will probably

615
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:15,860
Receive that if this new tool was in the old toolbox and people know it. I want us to pursue it

616
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:24,400
on their neighbor or whatever, we will see that, but we were able to handle that and we

617
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:32,820
are on discretion and be reasonable as to when we need to amend the lift floor code.

618
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:39,640
We wouldn't need to amend it necessarily. It's an option because the council can also give

619
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:46,080
direction that we don't want to see citations for the lift floor violations, even though it's

620
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:52,240
that direction, and we wouldn't pursue citations. We'd continue with education and other incentives.

621
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:59,540
But it's a councilman's point. There are times where you do want to have this tool.

622
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:04,460
I want to be able to use a citation. It's infrequent. It's seldom, but it does come up from time to time.

623
00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:08,220
Right. So we're talking about the entire municipal code.

624
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:15,920
municipal code. And it would, wouldn't it be nice if we could have that kind of discretion

625
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:29,620
always with these tools put in but of ultimate discretion of the city manager? Is that possible?

626
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:35,180
I think that's generally how it would work. I certainly would not be comfortable if this was in place

627
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:42,300
any stuff giving a citation without me looking at it and giving the okay. And that would be pretty

628
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:43,020
rare.

629
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,600
Aaron's, I should have asked you the question.

630
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:55,260
I agree with Mr. Degos. That's an easy answer. Really what if the Council

631
00:58:55,260 --> 00:58:59,380
moves forward with this administrative citation ordinance you are creating your adding a tool

632
00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:05,760
to your kind of arsenal of options and it's up to the Council to give staff direction on your

633
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,880
priorities in terms of what you think is most important to focus on and perhaps less important

634
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,180
as we discussed earlier and certainly if the council feels that energy and resources should

635
00:59:17,180 --> 00:59:21,960
not be spent issuing citations for leaf lowers, that's a direction you can give to staff

636
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,700
and that will be followed, but that's not the sort of thing you need to, that you need to

637
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:29,760
amend your leaf board, you do not need to amend your leaf board or ordinance to say that, that's

638
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,300
just direction you give staff and that will be followed.

639
00:59:33,580 --> 00:59:38,580
You know, just like we're doing tonight, we're modifying what was already decided.

640
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:47,200
If we're going to be giving way public funds as an incentive, and the AQMD is also providing,

641
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,460
it doesn't provide much excuse for not going ahead and getting it.

642
00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:59,680
For any resident here, right, and at a later date, we can also revisit this and say, you

643
00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:59,980
Here's some.

644
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,940
I think we look at the data. How many have we given away how many people aren't complying and we can adjust the citation policy then as we see fit?

645
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:13,740
So there is flexibility.

646
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:22,000
Two Mr. Pearl's HOA comment that I actually really agree with that.

647
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:29,020
You know, I mean, having personal experience with that, I, that probably will occur.

648
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,360
You're, I mean, the, what you're talking about the weaponization of it, because, you know, throughout

649
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:40,180
the different HOAs in our city, we've, out different levels of issues.

650
01:00:40,660 --> 01:00:48,460
I think that the discretionary factor, what Rob was just talking about, that no citation

651
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:57,300
and whatever be issued without him saying yes or no, I think that being in play is really

652
01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:03,100
important because we know our residents and the origin of the complaint, I think would

653
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:04,240
weigh into that.

654
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,240
Like we, you know, I think he would know where it might be coming from.

655
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:17,760
I wanted to ask too, with regard to the HOA's, I mean, what do you, what do you counsel think

656
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,100
about their role in this.

657
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:25,240
In other words, if we proceed, it sounds like we're going to proceed with establishing this administrative

658
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,200
citation procedure.

659
01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:30,860
Then the next step will be what are we going to do about enforcing it.

660
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:32,100
Maybe little.

661
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,440
What do you want the HOA role to be in this?

662
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,640
In other words, we've talked about the weaponization, which I agree.

663
01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:46,160
It will be a problem, hopefully not a big problem, maybe a tiny problem, but it'll be

664
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:46,360
there.

665
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:54,360
But what do you see the HOA responsibility if anything for this going forward?

666
01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:55,220
Education?

667
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:02,060
I mean, I would like to see them tell their residents, hey, this is what the city's

668
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:02,400
done.

669
01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:05,420
This is the tool that they have now.

670
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,620
But here's the, you know, assuming we can do this budget-wise.

671
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,240
Here's the rebate program.

672
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:14,240
Here's the ACMD rebate program.

673
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:22,380
You know, I'm talking about leafflowers, but I mean, about anything, you know, fences and that kind of thing.

674
01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:25,980
What do you, what would you like to see? I mean, I think that's an important thing to consider.

675
01:02:26,580 --> 01:02:30,380
I think they can be, each always can be used as an extension of the city's message.

676
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,360
Mm-hmm.

677
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:31,840
Exactly.

678
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:38,720
So, each always have this, my age, well, I'll talk about that.

679
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,700
I was present at that age for six years on it for nine.

680
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:53,990
In our HOA, there's 209 lots and there's not a great deal of interest in the HOA activities.

681
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:59,870
There aren't any amenities that we have, the most expensive thing we have in the trails is the weed abatement on the hillside.

682
01:03:01,890 --> 01:03:08,890
So there's not a lot of things to actually needing to communicate with respect to problems and stuff like that.

683
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:21,130
So oftentimes the communication you get from the HOA board goes into the trash because you see it as a junk mail or something like that.

684
01:03:21,370 --> 01:03:27,330
So you have the same communication problem reception in the HOA that you do here.

685
01:03:27,550 --> 01:03:34,950
We would have multiple ways of putting out information and people say I never heard about it until all the sudden we're taking a vote in here and then we hear about.

686
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:44,550
So to Brad's point and to the point where if we've got an educational program here they can

687
01:03:44,550 --> 01:03:52,130
be an extension of that and that AQMD thing actually applies to their gardener as well.

688
01:03:52,130 --> 01:04:02,330
Well, it's not a city thing necessarily and the HAA can help the vendors to their residents

689
01:04:02,330 --> 01:04:06,710
And how to go to the city and the city will show you how to get the AQMD thing.

690
01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:13,470
I mean, that's the service we could actually provide to these entrepreneur type or, you

691
01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:16,910
know, mom and pop, kind of services that are doing your lawn.

692
01:04:18,110 --> 01:04:23,970
So it could be a very big asset as this, and kind of takes a pressure off of that, that

693
01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:27,930
they H-O-A board, because you're saying, well here, this is the city thing, this is how

694
01:04:27,930 --> 01:04:30,470
the city is doing it, and throw it to us.

695
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:33,390
This would be the one time where you'd want anything

696
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:40,180
else in any other comments or questions.

697
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,580
So Rob, can I ask you a question?

698
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:48,720
As the person, we would write this with the ultimate discretion line with the city manager.

699
01:04:50,780 --> 01:04:55,320
That puts you in the middle of the council, the staff, and our residents, and certain circumstances.

700
01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:59,960
And to that angry resident who thinks your discretion is be...

701
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,420
Being abused or you are wrong or you're playing favorites or you're just flat out, making a bad decision.

702
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,640
That puts you in a tough spot. What's your reaction to the council placing you there?

703
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:23,340
That's a trade-off. To establish this program. There's some risk of that.

704
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:30,060
But there's lots of opinions about lots of things every day that I'm working through and

705
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:36,360
I'm pretty careful about decisions and being in close conversation with all of you about what

706
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,140
you all believe is reasonable and sometimes I know that you don't always agree necessarily,

707
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:46,700
but I'll tread carefully and I wouldn't be trading very carefully with respect to citations certainly.

708
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:55,980
I do think on balance having an administrative citation program as a tool for the city is important and appropriate.

709
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,100
We just need to deploy it very, very carefully.

710
01:05:59,740 --> 01:06:04,400
And I think on the leaf blowup item, I think it's number two up there.

711
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:11,320
We need to stay in the education, further incentive, you know, lane for some time longer.

712
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,260
But let's see if we can get a rewrite program that really works that we can afford to have

713
01:06:15,260 --> 01:06:19,180
the Kachos thing, because she's probably thinking how we fit this in.

714
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,520
But maybe that's something we can do, and then come back to whether citations are appropriate

715
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:30,120
in a future time for that particular type of violation, though, I'm okay with it.

716
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:36,680
One more thing, to Ms. McSweeney's point, it should be publicized that one of the angles

717
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:44,320
is to have a leaf-blower onsite that any gardener can pick up a use that really has not been pushed

718
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,780
and we should exert that push.

719
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:51,680
I agree that has not been pushed because literally it never occurred to me.

720
01:06:51,820 --> 01:06:52,300
I mean.

721
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,560
So we certainly can do that.

722
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,160
I think that's really good direction.

723
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:58,400
We're not there yet.

724
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,320
We're going to continue to work the issue.

725
01:07:00,540 --> 01:07:03,380
There is one last slide and it relates to oak trees.

726
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,400
I think there's more consensus among the council on this topic, but it's also one

727
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:12,920
unique type of violation that can't be corrected in certain circumstances, so that which is

728
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,420
a particular challenge and that's why we believe a different type of fee structure is appropriate

729
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:21,860
for that type of violation. Kristen, you want to just finish up with this slide.

730
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:31,780
Correct. So in the world of oak trees, if a violation is discovered, illegal trimming,

731
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:36,240
illegal

732
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:47,700
you can't move the boat out of, you know, out of the driveway. So, you know, a different sort of

733
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:59,100
corrective remedy for that is proposed as it relates to oak trees. So, the remedy for that is when

734
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:03,500
The violation is discovered depending on

735
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:10,420
the, the, the, the width of the tree, that would be the violation.

736
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:19,600
So, for violation is discovered, an arborist inspects it, and a citation is given based on, based on the diameter of a tree.

737
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:29,620
And so, the, you know, as proposed, you know, up to $10,000 off for the, the white history possible is proposed.

738
01:08:29,620 --> 01:08:35,340
So if there's any questions related to oak trees?

739
01:08:35,660 --> 01:08:40,780
Yeah, I just have a question. So the state regulates oak trees, right?

740
01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:45,900
And it's already against law to trim an oak tree.

741
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:51,540
Well, I mean, oak trees are protected to protect tree, but I think each individual city and county,

742
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,300
we have our own ordinance because it relates to oak trees.

743
01:08:56,300 --> 01:09:01,280
So this would be related to our specific, okay, thank you.

744
01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:02,580
I have a question, Mr. Bogot,

745
01:09:06,610 --> 01:09:11,310
I have two ancient oak trees on my property,

746
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:18,330
and I have about ten others that are on the property as well, but they're not ancient.

747
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:29,710
Some of them are different species, some is live oak and some is a valley oak, the valley oak, because the deciduous tree, the live oak is an evergreen.

748
01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:41,840
Many of, I've lived in this property for almost 30 years, and I have seen trees that were not there 30 years ago that are now there.

749
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,120
But this has to do with the size of a tree.

750
01:09:48,540 --> 01:09:57,820
These trees can be massive, and they also can be hidden from regular view.

751
01:09:58,580 --> 01:09:59,960
And my concern is...

752
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:10,840
Is that if I'm a resident and I want to push my, I want to build a pool, and there's an oak tree in my backyard,

753
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:21,400
and the pool's going to cost me $100,000, let's say, which is probably cheap, but $100,000.

754
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:28,920
For 10% of that, I can cut that tree down and just pay the city 10 grand and give them

755
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,400
four oak tree replacements.

756
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,220
But the value of that tree is much better, much higher than $10,000.

757
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:43,240
So how do you justify putting a cap on an oak tree at $10,000?

758
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,340
So it's a very good question, Council Member Davis.

759
01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:50,800
for the administrative citation ordinance state law

760
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:55,140
does regulate the amount of fines that a city can impose.

761
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,000
And this, the $10,000 amount is actually pretty aggressive

762
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,760
under the state standards, if there was an egregious situation

763
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,360
where for whatever reason, if it's determined that $10,000

764
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,340
just doesn't cut it, then you would, as a city, not the council,

765
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,280
but as a city, the matter could be sent to the city prosecutor

766
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,920
to go straight to the sort of court process.

767
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,700
and maybe through that process, the dependency could be even greater than that.

768
01:11:21,940 --> 01:11:25,760
So this is really, the $10,000 fine is really just the administrative process.

769
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,900
It's not necessarily the cap if you went, if the prosecutor went a different route to

770
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:31,800
the court system.

771
01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:41,900
The only other thing I would add is, again, these numbers were picked deliberately and cities

772
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:44,860
do have to be careful about the fine amounts.

773
01:11:44,860 --> 01:12:04,760
Just a couple of months ago, and I'm pointed to this out to staff, there was a court decision involving Humboldt County where they had an ordinance about illegal cannabis activity, and they basically had a similar administrative citation system, and it's basically each day of a violation between $6,000 and $6,000.

774
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:11,740
And that was challenged in court and the court ultimately said that that's potentially

775
01:12:11,740 --> 01:12:15,560
in constitutional because you could run up a fine that far exceeds the value of the property.

776
01:12:17,540 --> 01:12:22,200
So that's the kind of the outside of things we're looking at, when we pick these numbers,

777
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:27,700
we're keeping, we don't want to make ourselves a target for a lawsuit, we're also recognizing

778
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:32,820
that this is just because it's $10,000 here, the prosecutor could still go to court and maybe

779
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:36,560
get a higher fine if there was, if it was warranted, if the situation was warranted.

780
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,460
And where does it say that an ordinance that isn't confusing?

781
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:47,780
Well, I mean, I've not certain, the ordinance has drafted doesn't, the ordinance has drafted

782
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:53,460
basically says, that's in your packet says, you know, this administrative fine system doesn't

783
01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:56,360
stop the city prosecutor from doing other options.

784
01:12:56,940 --> 01:13:00,600
So, I mean, that's as close as we get to that, I mean, we're not, you can't really

785
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:24,460
So before us tonight is another issue about an ordinance that we had that was somehow, there was a gray interpretation, and I want to make sure that our ordinance oak tree ordinance, this is the third time on this council that I have been here discussing oak tree ordinances and the inability to prosecute or the inability to hold responsible a party that damages the tree.

786
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:31,220
And I want to make sure that if after 10,000 bugs, if it's worth $100,000, that tree,

787
01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:36,300
that it's very clear in the ordinance that that could also happen, that the prosecution

788
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:36,780
could happen.

789
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:42,400
Because what I get from this and what I would automatically think about our ordinances,

790
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,840
once the city is through finding you, it's over.

791
01:13:46,620 --> 01:13:46,640
No.

792
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,200
I mean, the fine doesn't absolve you of correcting the violation.

793
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,080
You can't correct your violation.

794
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,440
It's a 400 year old tree.

795
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:58,900
I understood. So I'm what I'm saying is I think in an agreed situation, it wouldn't be

796
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:05,200
the city would not. Again, I'm not deciding who gets prosecuted. But the city would not

797
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:09,640
basically issue it $10,000 fine and then separately the city prosecutor would go to court.

798
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,800
I think what would happen in that case if in a really bad situation is the city prosecutor

799
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,960
just goes to court and tries to get the maximum fine that can be imposed.

800
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:27,680
Okay. Now as a practical, this is a practical point. The cost of taking someone to court overcutting down a tree.

801
01:14:28,780 --> 01:14:36,950
I don't see that as being rather, I won't call it practical. I just don't think it's probably likely.

802
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:46,290
So how can we increase the fine from $10,000 to cap in case it's an ancient tree?

803
01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:49,470
or, you know, a tree that's 50 years old

804
01:14:49,470 --> 01:14:52,690
is not the same value as a tree that's 150 years old.

805
01:14:52,810 --> 01:14:53,610
That's why it's a process.

806
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:56,610
But they're all $10,000 if they're $36,000, $30,000,

807
01:14:56,610 --> 01:14:58,510
$30,000 is around it.

808
01:14:59,370 --> 01:14:59,970
I appreciate it.

809
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:25,080
I appreciate the question. I think that the fine schedule for this administrative citations scheme, in my mind, does a good job of sort of setting different levels based on the size? And what you might see if someone will say, well, if you have it's a 50-year-old tree, but it wasn't in great health. I mean, if you're going to kind of factor in that level of detail, it's hard to do in something in a fine schedule like this.

810
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,500
and harder than to prosecute civilly as well.

811
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:32,690
You're not going to want to do it.

812
01:15:33,070 --> 01:15:34,170
Well, I could spend the money,

813
01:15:34,170 --> 01:15:36,490
and I could spend the money to enforce this.

814
01:15:36,970 --> 01:15:38,950
I, that's ultimately a council call.

815
01:15:39,790 --> 01:15:41,850
Oh, he's happy to thank you.

816
01:15:42,730 --> 01:15:45,670
I, you know, my sense is if in a degree to situation,

817
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:48,090
the council, the council probably would.

818
01:15:48,250 --> 01:15:50,390
And we have prosecuted people in the past.

819
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:54,070
Not for oak trees, but for money,

820
01:15:54,070 --> 01:16:00,910
I mean, the illegal business out of their home, I can think of at least two times that

821
01:16:00,910 --> 01:16:05,810
we've prosecuted people and my time on the council.

822
01:16:06,690 --> 01:16:12,490
And I think you were there for, I was here for the cannabis flower lady.

823
01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:16,570
The guy who was doing, I'm thinking of flower lady, which I think was before your time.

824
01:16:16,650 --> 01:16:17,710
I don't remember the flower lady.

825
01:16:17,710 --> 01:16:22,950
Our lady was in first name, but thank you.

826
01:16:23,010 --> 01:16:26,210
Right, we're situated truck, you know, called the sack.

827
01:16:29,010 --> 01:16:34,450
Any other comments or questions on the oak tree section of our discussion?

828
01:16:36,490 --> 01:16:40,710
I have none, Mr. DeGos, anything to conclude?

829
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:44,210
Well, just, I mean, this will strengthen our code enforcement program.

830
01:16:44,590 --> 01:16:46,590
It'll be better, it won't be perfect.

831
01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:55,630
We're going to be ways around things, there will always be, but it will be much better, I think, and stronger, and we'll have additional tools and else toolbox.

832
01:16:56,570 --> 01:17:15,190
What I heard from the Council is that we should proceed to finalize the drafting of a policy and procedure to have a more robust code enforcement program, specifically for the leafflowers to explore a rebate program

833
01:17:15,190 --> 01:17:22,610
As a companion to the ACMD program, I will take a look at that in a couple of weeks as part of the overall budget to see if that can be included.

834
01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:32,450
And then present a final draft to the admin committee on the new procedures for code enforcement and then present to the full council for consideration.

835
01:17:33,370 --> 01:17:34,050
Is that correct?

836
01:17:36,810 --> 01:17:37,030
Yes?

837
01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:38,230
Yes?

838
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:38,990
Yes.

839
01:17:42,490 --> 01:17:43,570
I'll take it.

840
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:45,810
You can take the emergency road, Mr. Pearl.

841
01:17:45,810 --> 01:17:52,250
All right, but then if we have nothing else, the study session is adjourned at 5.

842
01:17:53,550 --> 01:17:54,110
Which one?

843
01:17:54,650 --> 01:17:54,670
Oh.

844
01:17:54,990 --> 01:17:55,550
Okay, 5.

845
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:56,410
43.

846
01:17:56,850 --> 01:17:57,610
I have more money than God.

847
01:17:57,630 --> 01:17:58,530
I can do that one.

848
01:17:59,070 --> 01:17:59,570
Thank you.

849
01:17:59,710 --> 01:18:00,750
See you at 630.

850
01:18:00,750 --> 01:18:01,450
See you next time.