1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,980 So welcome everyone to Tuesday, September 1st, 2026 meeting of the Western Conservation Commission. Our meetings are recorded and your continued presence indicates your consent to being recorded. And we're going to open up, start the meeting with the opportunity for public comment for anything is not otherwise on the agenda. So we're going to raise hands. I don't think we have any members of the public. Curtis is here on behalf of one of the 2 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:31,080 the significance of compliance. 3 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:33,920 We've caused that public. 4 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:36,960 We've caused that public, but not necessarily a Weston 5 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,260 resident. 6 00:00:37,740 --> 00:00:38,800 I'm all that ISIS in. 7 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,600 Yes, let's make sure ISIS gets in. 8 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:43,880 So no public comments. 9 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:47,660 So we can move on to whatever you want to start with. 10 00:00:47,660 --> 00:00:48,500 You want to start with the. 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,100 Yeah, there's a 730 continued hearing for 6-page road. 12 00:00:54,540 --> 00:01:06,240 This one's a little problematic only because it's been continued a few times that we opened the public hearing on July 7th and it's been continued since then. 13 00:01:07,340 --> 00:01:13,180 And we have not received any other information. In fact, I really have occurred from the applicant or his consultant. 14 00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:21,120 I reached out several times in putting today because I think technically we would need a request to continue. 15 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,920 Yeah, so I think Reese, I guess the thing is I know they're working on other permitting 16 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,800 with the town through the board of health and Mr. Wormwater permitting authority. 17 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,580 Is there any call for a no shell? 18 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,620 I mean, you know, I think the act would probably tell us that without a natural written request 19 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:52,120 to continue that you'd have to, you know, render a decision, close the public hearing 20 00:01:52,120 --> 00:02:01,100 and render a decision. I mean, I don't know. In this case, I suggested the email that we could 21 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:05,620 continue them to our September 29th meeting and that that would, like, hopefully, give them adequate 22 00:02:05,620 --> 00:02:11,940 time to work through the other permitting. I mean, the challenge is in Glenn, you watched the public 23 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:15,660 hearing from the summit today to follow the Mullin form. They didn't really relate any information 24 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:21,300 of the public hearing because there were so many questions and outstanding issues and information 25 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:25,580 that they still had to work through. And they knew that when they came forward, 26 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,940 then when they came and presented to us until I7. And even when we went to the site visit for that 27 00:02:30,940 --> 00:02:35,940 meeting, I mean, there was a lot of information on the site plan and then in those of intent that 28 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:44,220 just needed to be filled out with missing. So, I might look to Eileen to not give us legal advice, 29 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:47,820 but to use her to explore her wisdom on this. 30 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,020 Would it be, I mean, I think the summer is a busy time 31 00:02:52,020 --> 00:02:54,320 and I think it's understandable that an applicant 32 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,300 might not have asked for the request. 33 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:00,760 I mean, I doubt we'll get in trouble 34 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,960 for granting us sort of a courtesy continuance. 35 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,020 Alan, do you have any thoughts on that? 36 00:03:07,540 --> 00:03:08,640 I would agree with that. 37 00:03:08,740 --> 00:03:11,080 I would say until the next meeting, 38 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,600 but making clear that this is a one-time courtesy. 39 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,700 Yeah, yeah. I think so. Yeah, make that clear and we'll grant them a 40 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:22,460 continuance. 41 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:23,820 That sounds very fair. 42 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,600 Yeah, but courtesy continuance. 43 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,760 That would be to Tuesday September 29th at 7.45 pm. 44 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,900 Okay. So who would like to make that motion then? 45 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:35,900 I'll make that motion. 46 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:38,710 And second. 47 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:39,910 Second. 48 00:03:40,570 --> 00:03:49,150 and roll call. I mean, yes. There are. Yes. Glenn. Yes. I wrote yes. Alison. Yes. 49 00:03:49,770 --> 00:03:56,110 And we. I mean, yes. Thanks. Great. Thank you, guys. All right. We've disposed of that now. 50 00:03:56,290 --> 00:04:05,590 Indeed. We have. We have 11 minutes. Yep. Why don't we, if we could go to one of the 51 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:13,650 certificates of compliance request just because Curtis is here on behalf of the applicant. 52 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:19,510 And they are asking for a partial certificate of compliance in this case. Curtis, are you 53 00:04:19,510 --> 00:04:23,970 just here to observe and make sure that the commission issues, are you going to present 54 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:24,410 anything? 55 00:04:25,850 --> 00:04:30,870 I was just going to present to the commission, let them know what the project was and just 56 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:35,430 Just a little overview of it, just let them know partial requests if you guys know how 57 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:36,050 that'd be great. 58 00:04:36,650 --> 00:04:38,250 Do you need to show your screen card? 59 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:39,910 No, I should be all set. 60 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:44,590 Unless the commission would like to see pictures of the site, but unless that, it should 61 00:04:44,590 --> 00:04:45,030 be all good. 62 00:04:45,690 --> 00:04:45,830 Okay. 63 00:04:46,410 --> 00:04:46,990 Yeah, go ahead. 64 00:04:47,550 --> 00:04:47,690 Okay. 65 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:48,870 Thank you guys for having me. 66 00:04:49,210 --> 00:04:50,430 My name is Curtis Wisegarber. 67 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:54,250 I'm here from Goddard Consulting on behalf of 452 Glen Road. 68 00:04:54,730 --> 00:05:00,030 So as you all know, we filed a request for a partial certificate of compliance for the construction 69 00:05:00,030 --> 00:05:06,510 of single-family home with an associated garage, walkway, retaining wall stairs, rear patio, 70 00:05:06,890 --> 00:05:11,430 tree removal and restoration plantings within the 100-foot buffer zone to BVW. 71 00:05:12,950 --> 00:05:18,990 So following the completion of this in the spring of 2026, Spurron Engineering went to the site, 72 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:25,370 they attached a as-build plan as well. They found that the work substantially complied with the 73 00:05:25,370 --> 00:05:30,090 proposed site plan. There were a few small deviations, so there were some small variations, 74 00:05:30,710 --> 00:05:35,990 no locations of the septic components and some drain manholes to ease constructability 75 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:40,310 and there was also a very slight change in the shape of the driveway, although it does 76 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:45,490 still have a very similar footprint size as to what was proposed. No resource areas were 77 00:05:45,490 --> 00:05:53,590 altered or disturbed with these slight changes additionally. Like Jordan mentioned, we are 78 00:05:53,590 --> 00:05:59,130 requesting a partial certificate of compliance because we still have two seasons of native plants 79 00:05:59,130 --> 00:06:04,870 to monitor and submit reports for. We also are trying to get in contact with the engineer 80 00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:11,190 to send a CAD file of the AS Bill plan so we haven't had any success with that but we're still trying. 81 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:17,150 I'm trying to think if there's anything else off the top of my head. I don't think that there's 82 00:06:17,150 --> 00:06:21,630 anything else. I have some pictures of the commission would like to see but if not Jordan I believe you 83 00:06:21,630 --> 00:06:26,530 visited the site and didn't find anything wrong with the area, except for the fact that 84 00:06:26,530 --> 00:06:31,230 we still have the two seasons of monitoring to look at. But if anybody has any questions, 85 00:06:31,530 --> 00:06:34,950 I'd be happy to try and answer them. And if not, we would like to respectfully request 86 00:06:35,470 --> 00:06:38,450 that the commission issues a partial certificate of compliance. 87 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:44,890 And just so the record I was on site on August 12 and agreed the site looked stable and the only 88 00:06:44,890 --> 00:06:51,270 outstanding thing that I could see was, as Kurt said, the two years of monitoring related 89 00:06:51,270 --> 00:06:53,650 to the restoration and mitigation areas. 90 00:06:54,590 --> 00:06:57,290 And so why are you hoping for a partial rather than waiting? 91 00:06:58,990 --> 00:07:05,230 I believe that the homeowner and the property owner wanted to just get a partial CFC now 92 00:07:05,230 --> 00:07:11,270 so that when the two seasons of monitoring ends it's going to be an easier transition. 93 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,560 And Jordan, the other question I have, so we've done this before with monitoring of growing 94 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:20,960 seasons. 95 00:07:21,740 --> 00:07:28,960 Do you foresee that the CAD file for the ASGILT is at all an issue, if that comes in problematic? 96 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:30,760 I was okay. 97 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:33,120 It's really just a data thing, Reese. 98 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:41,580 The town planner and the town engineer, myself and our GIS administrator, for the town met. 99 00:07:41,780 --> 00:07:43,040 I want to say about a year ago. 100 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:49,920 and sort of decided that for these types of projects where there's for 101 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,620 example a local you know field delineated wetland line and you know local 102 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:59,520 stormwater structures that it would be helpful for the town if we have that 103 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,440 data so that we can build out our town on mind GIS and have more accurate data. 104 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:09,500 So the stormwater permitting authority and also the Conservation Commission have 105 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,980 of started requiring when an applicant comes forward 106 00:08:12,980 --> 00:08:15,120 for a certificate of compliance that in addition 107 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,980 to the ASBEL and an engineer certification 108 00:08:17,980 --> 00:08:20,920 and any other information that's relevant to the project 109 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,040 that we also get the CAD file. 110 00:08:23,220 --> 00:08:25,500 So we have that actual data. 111 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,220 But I think in this case, because they have to come back 112 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:31,020 in front of you for a full certificate 113 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:33,920 that we sort of have another bite at the apples, they say. 114 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:34,800 Okay. 115 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,320 And I think in this case, it's more related to 116 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:44,160 This is new house construction and they had several hurdles including the Planning Board and the Conservation Commission. 117 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:51,840 I think just in order for them to get a temporary certificate of occupancy, they wanted to get a partial COC on their title. 118 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:56,080 Okay, so this is really to get the certificate of occupancy, okay? 119 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:56,840 Correct. 120 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,520 All right, that sounds reasonable and consistent with what we've done in the past. 121 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Does anybody have any questions? 122 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:13,030 I'm not hearing any, so looking for a motion to issue a partial certificate of compliance. 123 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:13,970 So moved. 124 00:09:14,770 --> 00:09:15,030 All right. 125 00:09:15,890 --> 00:09:16,410 Second. 126 00:09:17,830 --> 00:09:19,670 Okay, roll call, are we? 127 00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:20,350 Yes. 128 00:09:20,990 --> 00:09:21,610 There are. 129 00:09:22,070 --> 00:09:22,230 Yes. 130 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:23,210 Glenn. 131 00:09:23,730 --> 00:09:23,890 Yes. 132 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:25,810 I'm yes, Alison. 133 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:27,290 Yes, please. 134 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:28,010 Yes. 135 00:09:28,390 --> 00:09:28,890 Thank you. 136 00:09:30,410 --> 00:09:31,290 There we go. 137 00:09:31,870 --> 00:09:33,190 Thank you very much. 138 00:09:33,770 --> 00:09:33,890 Yep. 139 00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:34,190 Great. 140 00:09:35,650 --> 00:09:42,010 All right. So I've got a couple minutes. You want to do the other one? Sure. This is somewhat unique. 141 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:49,170 This is for 416 Conan Road, which is DEP file number 337-1362. 142 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:59,310 Initially, this was issued by the commission in September of 2019 for the installation of an irrigation well and the replacement of a septic system. 143 00:10:00,230 --> 00:10:05,990 And at the time, of course, Michelle Gersenda was the agent, and she did, or the commission 144 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:11,610 did issue a notice of violation in November of that year because of a breach of the 145 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:15,710 limit of work and some work inside of the 25-foot notice store zone. 146 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:26,970 And the notice of violation and the subsequent enforcement order required restoration of that 147 00:10:26,970 --> 00:10:33,050 area and that is documented in a memo that you can find in that file from Michelle in February of 2020. 148 00:10:34,810 --> 00:10:39,750 And what happened was that the prior owner sold it to the current owner before any of that 149 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:45,770 restoration could occur and then the new owners agreed to their terms of that restoration 150 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:55,190 in a permit that the commission issued to raise and rebuild the house as file number 337-1402, 151 00:10:55,190 --> 00:11:03,890 which this commission actually issued a certificate of compliance on that other permit in September of 2022 when I was here. 152 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:21,230 So this is more of a record keeping thing that that old permit was, I don't know, incorporated or that the requirements of that old permit were incorporated into this newer permit number 1402, which the commission closed. 153 00:11:21,230 --> 00:11:27,790 and I think the owner, Zach Burnett, thought at the time that this commission had closed 154 00:11:27,790 --> 00:11:34,330 that older permit, 1362 at the same time. In fact, the request for certificate compliance 155 00:11:34,330 --> 00:11:41,730 of a submitted for file 1402 included an engineer certification that referenced both file numbers. 156 00:11:42,350 --> 00:11:48,350 But I told Zach that at the time he had only requested a COC for 1402 so we just didn't deal with 157 00:11:48,350 --> 00:11:55,770 this all the permit. But I've been on the site back when this commission closed file 158 00:11:55,770 --> 00:12:00,790 number 1402 and obviously at that time all the work had been done including the restoration 159 00:12:00,790 --> 00:12:07,090 requirements from the previous permit. This is slightly confusing. So it's more a record 160 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:13,370 of a matter of record keeping and to clear the title from this older permit, 1362. 161 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:16,770 If that 162 00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:25,030 up a previous message. But I'm curious when we issued the most the more recent COC, 163 00:12:26,810 --> 00:12:33,430 wouldn't we have seen the previous one? We did. Yeah, like I said, it was actually referenced in 164 00:12:33,430 --> 00:12:39,690 the request for certificate of compliance that was submitted and the engineer certification 165 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:46,390 at that time reference and spoke to both permits. I suppose we could every side. I'm not sure why we 166 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:48,490 We didn't just sort of slip bias, okay? 167 00:12:48,590 --> 00:12:51,130 Except that the request for Certificate Compliance, 168 00:12:51,130 --> 00:12:54,250 which is the WPA form 8a, 169 00:12:54,790 --> 00:12:59,310 only specifically requested compliance for a file of 1402. 170 00:12:59,550 --> 00:13:01,850 That form did not reference 1362, 171 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:04,110 so you just acted on the request, 172 00:13:04,770 --> 00:13:07,170 even though I think the intent of the owner, 173 00:13:07,630 --> 00:13:10,230 the current owner who submitted this, 174 00:13:10,610 --> 00:13:14,130 this Certificate Compliance request, 175 00:13:14,130 --> 00:13:19,890 I think he thought that we would take care of both, and maybe he thought we did, and my 176 00:13:19,890 --> 00:13:24,330 assumption is that he's now at a point where something's changed, either he's refinancing 177 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:30,650 or selling the house or something, and a title search has found this older permit. 178 00:13:31,790 --> 00:13:38,530 I'm not sure why, you know, typically, if there's an open order of conditions with a enforcement 179 00:13:38,530 --> 00:13:44,030 order, it's not typical that that is sort of unresolved 180 00:13:44,030 --> 00:13:48,450 when a house sells or when a house transfers ownership, but in this case, I guess, it did. 181 00:13:48,830 --> 00:13:53,710 So when you guys are rooting through your files and pulling permits out and stuff, or this 182 00:13:53,710 --> 00:13:58,810 would show up. This would show up. Right. I was just very curious about how that works. 183 00:13:59,230 --> 00:14:05,990 Yeah, because I mean, ISIS has been working through all permits in the 1300s that don't have 184 00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:11,370 certificates from clients and reaching out personally into these applicants as a courtesy, 185 00:14:11,370 --> 00:14:17,350 So that when this type of situation happens being other prepared when they go to sell the house or refinance or whatever that 186 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:26,630 So we would have eventually found this and again, I don't know why this why Zach how he came to to find this issue now 187 00:14:26,630 --> 00:14:31,170 But he did all right. Well, I'm glad it came up. I know you guys are working on cleaning things up 188 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:35,650 So yeah, it's into that. Yes, all right. Did anybody have any 189 00:14:37,290 --> 00:14:39,410 Questions or comments about that? Where did we? 190 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:44,050 We haven't, sorry, I lost my track here. 191 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:45,510 We haven't actually voted on this yet, everyone. 192 00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:48,830 No, but we need to vote to issue a certificate on this one. 193 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:51,270 Any questions, comments on this one? 194 00:14:53,010 --> 00:14:59,870 Then we're looking for a motion to close this outdated certificate compliance report. 195 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,860 Good compliance for 416, current road. 196 00:15:04,340 --> 00:15:07,420 We'll get down and I'll get glad in the second. 197 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:17,160 Got it. Okay. I mean, yes. Yes. Glen. Yes. And I go, yes, Alison. Yes. And thank you. 198 00:15:17,580 --> 00:15:20,380 I'm a yes. Great. Thanks, guys. 199 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:23,560 Okay. 200 00:15:27,690 --> 00:15:30,410 I'm just letting Peter be in this in, who's a consultant 201 00:15:30,410 --> 00:15:35,010 for 520 Glen Road Reese. Great. Yeah, the timing is good. Good. 202 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:43,020 Let's see, make him a co-host again. 203 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:55,670 Peter, are you there? 204 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:07,680 Peter is muted if he is there. I just got it to come in Jordan, hang in there. 205 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:14,960 It's finally letting me operate. Thank you. I was texting you at the same time to say I'm trying to 206 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:22,420 get in. Oh yeah, yeah, got it. Sorry about that. No worries. Okay. Good. Are you ready 207 00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:26,680 for me now? We are. Yeah. And I just just you know, I made you a co-host. So if you if 208 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,620 you do need to share your screen or you'd like to do that, you're welcome too. If you'll 209 00:16:30,620 --> 00:16:35,180 give me a moment, I could do that. I didn't bring up the drawing it because I was having trouble 210 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:41,200 getting in there with me. I'll do that in that way. When I do join, I'll have it ready. 211 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,060 How are you doing there, Peter? 212 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,080 Yeah, I'm getting it. 213 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:40,420 I'm sorry. 214 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,280 It's making me tighten a couple of things here to get into my network. 215 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:45,180 So sorry. 216 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:45,720 I apologize. 217 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:46,100 That's great. 218 00:17:46,740 --> 00:17:51,500 I can also share my screen if it's a problematic for you, so you can look at some of the things. 219 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:53,780 No, I just got it to come up. 220 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,660 We have too many security protocols, I'm sorry. 221 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,780 Like you, we don't want just anybody getting into our system. 222 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:03,560 Yeah. 223 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:09,380 Good evening, Peter being a engineering design consultant, so thank you for allowing me to catch up here. 224 00:18:10,420 --> 00:18:16,460 So on behalf of Jose Maria, they're the owners of this property at 520 Glen Road. 225 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:23,180 The proposal is to construct, it's about 20 feet deep off the back of the house, 226 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:31,440 and about 60 feet wide in general affected areas, about 1200 square feet of rear yard 227 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,540 that's going to be used as a hard-scape area. 228 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:39,440 So we're creating some gardens associated with patio areas. 229 00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:43,800 So if you'll allow me to share, I'll bring up the screen. 230 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:52,120 I assume that comes from you to say, OK, great. 231 00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:54,080 And then I will just zoom in. 232 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:57,620 So just to be clear, with the resource areas 233 00:18:57,620 --> 00:19:00,560 that are here, that we've got a riparian zone. 234 00:19:01,220 --> 00:19:03,360 So we've got an inner and an outer. 235 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:10,020 and we've got a buffer zone to wetlands, so this is basically the flagged wetland limits 236 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:14,520 that are there, putting the 100-foot buffer zone right through the front of the house. 237 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:22,840 So the whole property is affected by wetland area and then we're just at the edge of that outer 238 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:30,500 riparian zone here. So the proposal is to construct this patio and outdoor areas with retaining wall 239 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:39,540 There's a landscaping plan that we provided by the landscape architect showing a number of native plantings that are going to be included as part of the proposal. 240 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:56,940 We didn't actually name those native plantings. I didn't have a chance to confer with the landscape architect if he had a special plant in mind, but I told Jordan I had no problem with there being in condition that we would identify what those plants are ahead of time. 241 00:19:56,940 --> 00:20:03,840 So that nothing that would be non-native or a cult of R would be planted. 242 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,680 You know, we do know what you're looking for when it comes to natives, 243 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,480 and we can ensure that that's done. 244 00:20:11,060 --> 00:20:14,060 We do have an erosion control barrier that's going to be installed. 245 00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:17,200 It's really just allowing the work activity to occur here. 246 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:20,980 So like I said, the outer edge of that preparing zone is being affected 247 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,560 with a small amount of grading. 248 00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:26,280 and then just a work activity zone. 249 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,380 This is all land that's basically altered 250 00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:30,760 as part of the yard now. 251 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,200 So just converting part of the yard 252 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,860 over to an active partscape area. 253 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,420 Be happy to answer any questions. 254 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:40,980 Thank you for the opportunity. 255 00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:45,180 And if you'd prefer to stop the share through the chair, 256 00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:47,300 I can or I can keep the share on it. 257 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,360 Some to you, are you like to operate with the screen? 258 00:20:50,920 --> 00:21:04,380 Let's keep it up for for a little bit anyway. Okay, very good. And when we were looking at the at the plans on the site, the Jordan had and your plan here also has it, we were just curious. 259 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:13,300 What is the thicker blue line with the black boundary down at the bottom right here? 260 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:27,660 I'm sorry, I don't have the exact definition, but I think it was a separate delineation that occurred off of another plan. 261 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:35,620 They identified the, because you could see the wetland vegetation numbers are following the WFC numbers here. 262 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:39,060 And then these are a different WF designation. 263 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:46,480 So, someone in looking at it, I want to say that it was this special flood hazards area 264 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,900 area, so that if I was to, you know, zone A. 265 00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:50,640 Oh, okay. 266 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:57,320 So, but someone flagged it as such as well in the field because it does follow that. 267 00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:57,880 Right. 268 00:21:58,780 --> 00:22:01,160 So, I just want to be clear about that too. 269 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:02,520 Okay. 270 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,680 So, Jordan, does that, does the special flood hazard area? 271 00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:17,560 Well I was going to bring that up right now. It's possible. I mean it's an unusual highlighted line there. 272 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:30,680 It might just be there to show you the extent or the final elevation where that zone A extends to or something. That would be my guess. 273 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:40,820 I mean, while you guys are chatting, I'm going to bring up that parcel of maps online and put the 2025 flood data on and see where it lands. 274 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:51,660 Yeah, that's what this came from Jordan. This would be that resource. And I think it's part of a plot plan that was done. It was identified because it would be a zoning matter. 275 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,440 So this site was also evaluating zoning matters as well. 276 00:22:55,940 --> 00:23:04,400 So I believe it's just kind of a holdover, but since it is a separate source, and it was defined in the field, we thought it was prudent to show it to you folks. 277 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,660 It's going to be no alteration of that zone at all. 278 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:17,660 Yeah, I think generally when we talk about flood zones, we're talking about it's a problem if we fill or excavate in that area and you're honest. 279 00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:23,420 Right. So there'll be no activity. I mean, obviously, no activity at the wetland resource area or it's it's buffer. 280 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:33,640 Is that it looks like that that's that's elevation 186 is that Oh, no, I can see 186. I guess it doesn't follow that exact. 281 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:41,960 It's going to be graphical in this section of the site. Okay. Okay. But it's close to that. It is closed. That's true. It's close to. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 282 00:23:44,780 --> 00:23:45,060 Yeah. 283 00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:49,320 Yeah, my guess is that if it's a, again, if it's a flood hazard thing, it's not going 284 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,760 to be pertinent to this discussion, because this is just an idea. 285 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,140 Yeah, we probably drew more attention to it than we showed up with the exit app. 286 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:03,400 I think that's it, because the 2025 zone A flood data on our maps online lines up with 287 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:05,840 lines up with contour 186. 288 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,680 So I think that must be what it is, Reese, is instead of shading the entire bottom half 289 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,940 of this plan blue, they just show, they're just pointing out the extent of that zone A. 290 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,060 Yeah, okay. 291 00:24:17,260 --> 00:24:22,800 Which is the 100 year flood zone, which is not relevant in this case, just because they're 292 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,860 not proposing any work down there, but disinformation for the plan, okay. 293 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:32,080 And let's see. 294 00:24:32,140 --> 00:24:38,360 So normally we, with a project like this, we might be considered, but concerned about, you 295 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:48,160 essence of infiltration or storm water, but we're all the, let's see, the only impervious 296 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:57,740 area that we're adding is the purgola. And that's a fairly small area, right? 297 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,860 Right. A percentage of it, you know, it's just, and it's louvered as well. So it's not like 298 00:25:01,860 --> 00:25:03,820 I think it's really going to retain it. 299 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:04,940 Yeah, it's lower. 300 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,420 You say. 301 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,220 It's being added. 302 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,760 Did you say what the square footage 303 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,380 of the red patio area depicted on this plan? 304 00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:15,100 What is that? 305 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:15,800 Yeah, it's less. 306 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:18,200 The whole area was 1,200. 307 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,760 I want to say it was about 1,000 or just under. 308 00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:22,540 Okay. 309 00:25:24,220 --> 00:25:26,460 And I'm just making sure, like, 310 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,000 did you communicate with the board? 311 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:36,640 Yes, you did. Okay. Yeah, and then there's there's going to be a lot of permeable zones associated with this as well 312 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,600 Okay, because we're doing a retaining wall that the back of that would be all stone 313 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,400 So I would say to you that you know normally we would have like a separate mitigation system in this case 314 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,820 There's going to be more than enough mitigation to offset what we're proposing here 315 00:25:53,760 --> 00:26:01,400 Because I think they there are our town stormwater permits triggered at 750 squeak square feet of new and pervious 316 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:07,200 But you're saying that this because it's you're using purgeous pavers, it's that's not right, right 317 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:13,300 And like and as I said Richard did vet all of this before he ends. We didn't have to do a separate stormwater 318 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:18,740 Paramedic either with him. We just had to come come to the commission obviously for the activity in the buffer 319 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:21,540 All right 320 00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:26,900 So I do have another question about the prior work that was done before we go to that 321 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,620 I think we'll we'll turn it over to the commission if there's any other questions about 322 00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:40,480 but this RDA, essentially it's long and other previously disturbed areas being turned into patio. 323 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,500 Now I have questions, but again, not specifically about this as well. 324 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:48,780 All right. 325 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,920 Well, one, I 326 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:58,080 had one question and I just, oh, Peter, I think you're in your narrative. 327 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:58,920 You included it. 328 00:26:59,620 --> 00:27:05,700 The closest point of work to the wetland, did you indicate that? 329 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,440 I think we measured it, because you gave us a scale plan at, I think, 40 feet. 330 00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:18,360 Right, it was under the 50, and exact didn't actually highlight a 50-foot plan. 331 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,540 But I would say to you, it's going to be 40-something. 332 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,660 And I can do that if you, if I go offline from it, and I give you an exact dimension, 333 00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:28,740 but I can assure you that it's more than 40. 334 00:27:36,410 --> 00:27:40,370 All right, anybody else have questions about the current proposal? 335 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:46,130 If not, then I think I will move to, and my questions are probably similar to Ellen's questions. 336 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:51,250 When we were on site today, we were trying to figure out the boundaries of looking at this plan 337 00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:56,530 and this plan I think may have some older information and didn't include some current trees and stuff 338 00:27:56,530 --> 00:28:00,090 and we were trying to figure out the lawn area 339 00:28:00,090 --> 00:28:06,330 and that prompted us to look at some old, old aerial images and it looked like there had been 340 00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:13,950 some significant tree clearing in 2018. But I believe some trees had come down that was deceased 341 00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:20,710 and Jordan was part of that field review, and then they did new plantings. So you should have 342 00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:27,970 actually found more trees than previously were present. Do you recall Jordan the inspection you 343 00:28:27,970 --> 00:28:38,170 with Jose? Well, we have a record of an approval for a tree permit from 2024, which we issue, 344 00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:43,930 and that was just for one tree. I think Reece had done some research on Google Earth showing 345 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:49,470 some significant work in 2018, which, you know, predates my time here in Weston. All right, it may 346 00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:56,130 predate the owners time too with this home. Yeah, and it might, and I think that, you know, we're not 347 00:28:56,130 --> 00:29:01,390 I don't think we're going to try to chase down, you know, I don't want to be punitive to them. 348 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:07,430 I was prepared for that, but I think that, you know, I think it's important that the owner 349 00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:13,670 understands that they are adjacent to this important wetland resource area and, you know, 350 00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:22,110 we depend. And less lawn as you move towards the wetland is preferred and more trees are, you know, 351 00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:28,710 appreciate so and we did see that there is areas behind some of those 352 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:33,770 our revivities that that were mode and I was trying to figure out why why 353 00:29:33,770 --> 00:29:36,290 they're spending time mulling those but anyway that's up to the owner but 354 00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:43,450 anyway that's more of a you know an opinion than anything else well I know 355 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:46,410 they know they're trying to make improvements to the property and I think they'll 356 00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:50,090 be good stewards over time and that and they do have a full understanding of where 357 00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:56,490 the wetland limits are and then the resources here so this is a good starting point I think 358 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:59,030 for them is to understand their property and how. 359 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,780 No, I'm never responsible to come to you. Yeah, and that's the other important part is, you know, a lot of people who are adjacent to wireless don't necessarily know this. And now, you know, we know that they know and keep us informed of any future plans and and Jordan and the conservation commission has. Is it is a good resource for advice that they if they're interested to have beautiful, beautiful cat tails back there and some other, you know, it's a pretty area. So it sounds like it sounds like you're saying that they're new relatively new owners. Is that what you're saying? 360 00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:38,720 Yes, yes, yes, that date. I don't have the exactal acquisition date, but I'm confident of that date. Time. 361 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,520 Resign one other comment. 362 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,140 If that's okay with you, just somewhat related to that is Peter. 363 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:59,360 When we were out on site, one of our commissioners out tonight were coming back there and we did know a fairly large area where I think the landscapers are depositing grass clippings. 364 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,660 And I believe it's actually in the wetland because it's off the grass footprint. 365 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,600 So, this is another thing where like I just want to be able to work with Jose and his 366 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,780 wife to, you know, to stop that activity. 367 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,520 Yeah. 368 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:21,060 I'll probably document that with you as part of this proposal, Jordan, I'll make sure that 369 00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:25,040 it's done before the work starts because we're going to help Jose, you know, implement 370 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:25,640 the program. 371 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:32,160 So I'll document that with your office ahead of time, and then we'll make sure that there's no repeat activity there and further. 372 00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:40,320 They should just all that stuff off. These landscapers, you know, I'll look them for shortcuts. There's no need for it. Yeah, yeah. 373 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:52,480 The other thing was that there's obviously some like large arbor bodies that I think back there that are very healthy looking and, you know, there's in very nothing wrong with tree planting. 374 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,240 but as Rhys mentioned, they're kind of mowing behind that area. 375 00:32:00,340 --> 00:32:07,360 And I would be interested to talk with Jose and see if he would be willing to kind of maybe discontinue that 376 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,380 and enhance the buffer a little bit. 377 00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:13,140 Okay. 378 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,580 I think probably, 379 00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:18,980 at some point in the past, 380 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:23,480 you know like like many places in Weston I think this this was probably filled in order to get a 381 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:30,260 lawn back there because the you know the lawn footprint you know really really conforms to your 382 00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:35,500 your wetland delineation there and my guess is if you dug deep enough you found hydric soil down 383 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:41,680 down there so I just you know sometimes we see this with homeowners and we try to work with them to 384 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:48,540 make some what I would say maybe you know more more common sense improvements where you know if there's 385 00:32:48,540 --> 00:32:53,940 It's really no value to them from a recreational or a homeowner use standpoint to mow back in 386 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:54,180 there. 387 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,680 Would they be willing to let that re-naturalize? 388 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,300 My guess is if you stopped mowing some of the grass right in the edge of the wetland, 389 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,420 it would re-vegetate with wetland vegetation. 390 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,560 So I think that potentially could be a good offset or mitigation for the proposed work. 391 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:10,780 Yep. 392 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,180 Be happy to do that, Jim. 393 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,800 And again, I'll bring proper documentation for your office to identify that. 394 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,560 We'll just put it on the plan, I don't see a problem with that. 395 00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:25,260 If I could mention something, and again, this is something that's not at all under the 396 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:30,300 commission's jurisdiction, but one of the commission's mandates is to educate people. 397 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:37,460 I know the homeowner has a lot of lighting, I'm sure they really want to enjoy at night the 398 00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:40,020 beauty of their property, and I totally get that. 399 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:47,280 Most people are not aware that evening nights, nighttime nights are really damaging to 400 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,260 wild life. For instance, right now there are millions of birds migrating and the lights are 401 00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:57,860 very confusing and distracting, and many thousands and thousands of birds are killed during 402 00:33:57,860 --> 00:34:04,600 the migration. So, for instance, I have lights on my property. The only time I have my driveway 403 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:11,600 lights on is when people I know are coming and going. So, again, this is not at all under 404 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,900 the Commission's jurisdiction. It's more an education point. It would be great if your 405 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:21,560 homeowners we just learned that. Okay yeah definitely bring up their 406 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,180 attention. Thank you. 407 00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:31,340 All right you can probably stop your screen share. Thank 408 00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:41,740 you for doing that and any other questions comments from the Commission and I 409 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:45,620 will try not to forget this time to ask for questions or comments from the 410 00:34:45,620 --> 00:34:45,900 public. 411 00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:53,070 And I'm not seeing any of those either. So I think we're looking for. Hold on, 412 00:34:53,150 --> 00:35:02,870 Reese, can I suggest something before you? Yes, you may. I just we just identified a few additional 413 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:10,010 pieces of information that would go on the final plan. You know, I think in our a determination 414 00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:13,990 applicability does allow us to place conditions that wouldn't be recorded against the property, 415 00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:19,130 which I I'm personally comfortable with, but I'm just wondering if we want to let Peter like 416 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:26,830 speak with his client and come back with a final plan before we close and issue this determination. 417 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:32,470 We're trying to schedule the work Jordan. I have no problem with what we just discussed tonight 418 00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:39,670 and getting that to you as part of this project, but I would like to try to get closure so he can enter 419 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:44,610 a contract with a contractor to do the work? Obviously, without it, you kind of can't 420 00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:48,190 do that. So that's why the getting on this agenda was important. 421 00:35:49,570 --> 00:35:56,410 Well, then I would say, I mean, part of this motion breeze might be that, you know, before 422 00:35:56,410 --> 00:36:02,250 any construction commences that we need a final plan that includes the removal of the accumulated 423 00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:09,450 grass clippings. And some effort at allowing the grass that's right up on the wetland edge 424 00:36:09,450 --> 00:36:12,910 to be naturalized, potentially up to the, you know, where that 425 00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:16,190 arbor body line is Peter, but I mean, you know, I think I'm 426 00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:19,230 happy to meet you outside it and look at that with you and 427 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:23,130 Jose that come up with a reasonable kind of limit of 428 00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:26,530 long. Right, let's plan on that. I don't mind doing that 429 00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:31,350 early next week, Jordan, as your schedule will allow. So I would 430 00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:34,630 say to you, I could have it in within a week's time. And 431 00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:37,650 Jordan, did you also want a little more detail in planting plan? 432 00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:48,230 I think that's true as well, that final plan can maybe have some, you know, at least a palette to choose from. 433 00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:50,330 Right, I'm fine with that. 434 00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:58,250 Okay, so I think we're looking for a negative termination contingent on Jordan being satisfied with the final plan. 435 00:36:58,770 --> 00:37:00,270 And that would be a negative three, right? 436 00:37:00,890 --> 00:37:00,950 Okay. 437 00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:05,020 All right. 438 00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:05,500 We got Ellen. 439 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,160 Circuit. 440 00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:07,480 Okay. 441 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,840 And Eileen? 442 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,720 Yes. 443 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:10,840 Sarah? 444 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:11,640 Yes. 445 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:12,460 Glenn? 446 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,100 Yes. 447 00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:14,420 I vote yes. 448 00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:15,060 Alison? 449 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:15,640 Yes. 450 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:16,600 Reese? 451 00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:17,300 I'm a yes. 452 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:18,260 Thank you. 453 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:19,460 Great. 454 00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:19,780 All right. 455 00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:20,200 Thank you. 456 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,340 Jordan, I'll follow up with you. 457 00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:22,000 Appreciate your time. 458 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:22,740 Time's good. 459 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,320 Thank you, Peter. 460 00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:23,940 Yep. 461 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:24,560 Good night. 462 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:25,700 Good night. 463 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,820 All right. 464 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,700 So that is our hearings for this evening. 465 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:41,660 Yeah. Yeah. You want to tell us about the summer trail crew? Sure, yeah. So we had three young people, 466 00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:51,240 as you know, in their last week was last week or two weeks ago. And we I would say it was a good summer. 467 00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:59,760 I think the feedback we got I think was that we might want to add a little more structure to the program. 468 00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:08,980 Joel, Angelilo, and I have sort of approached this over the past few seasons as trying to build in as much flexibility as possible, thinking that these are young people. 469 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:17,460 This is a very part time job. It doesn't pay a lot and that we want to give people the ability to do other things with their time like internships, etc. 470 00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:30,040 But I think this it might be just this specific crew, but I think the feedback was regular hours would be more helpful and just a little bit of the way that we supervise. 471 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:45,440 More regular check-ins and I think more regular hours and I think more very specific direction. In other words, not a to-do list, but literally what are we doing on Monday, what are we doing on Tuesday, what are we doing on Wednesday? 472 00:38:45,440 --> 00:39:01,880 And now that being said that I think they had a great summer and our trails are very well maintained and I think it was a successful program, but we're always looking for ways to improve and we have a bi-weekly meeting Emily and I with the WFTA leadership which we had yesterday. 473 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,500 And I thought this idea of maybe trying to think about the long-term seasonal and the short-term 474 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:08,860 seasonal. 475 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,400 So someone that would work, for example, from May 1 through the end of September, or maybe 476 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,880 even into mid-October, and then one or two short-term seasonal that would be more colleges 477 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,700 that would fill in June, July, and half of August. 478 00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:28,840 Because one challenge we have now is we don't really have any dedicated trail crew, and the 479 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:35,500 the trails are still growing and they certainly accumulate a lot of growth before our crew starts 480 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:40,900 in June, especially this time of year where I feel like sometimes our trails get grown 481 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:45,760 in and then we leave them. It dies back a little bit for the winter, but then you're sort 482 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:52,860 of that much further behind when we get spring growth next year. So I'll give you more information 483 00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:56,600 or provide you more update as we continue these discussions, but I think again, I think 484 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:02,780 one option we're looking at is to have a longer term seasonal, maybe with a little higher 485 00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:08,800 compensation and that in an order to justify that that it maybe would involve potentially 486 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,740 maybe doing some volunteer supervision over the summer, maybe we could continue our stewardship 487 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:20,200 Saturdays or do weekday things or you know if we wanted to hire someone at say you know 488 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,860 $23 or $25 an hour as opposed to, you know, $18 or $19 an hour. 489 00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:32,340 So those are just some things we're thinking through, but again, successful season, but 490 00:40:32,340 --> 00:40:37,740 I think we need to provide a little more structure, and that's very reasonable and totally 491 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:38,020 doable. 492 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,820 And would this still be a partnership with West Enforcement Grows? 493 00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:42,860 It would, yes. 494 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:48,900 Yes, and when we would still rely primarily on them for funding, which they are, you know, 495 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:52,800 amenable to do, and it would still be a partnership with the WFTA. 496 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:54,160 Okay. 497 00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:54,980 Yeah. 498 00:40:56,460 --> 00:41:03,260 And then the deer management program is actually coming up very soon on September 26th, 499 00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:07,140 which is our next stewardship Saturday, our sort of first one of the season, the school 500 00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:09,700 year season, is when we will distribute our deer permits. 501 00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:16,440 We have four new hunters this year, but again, our program is 45 hunters, same 14 properties, 502 00:41:16,740 --> 00:41:18,920 same program as we've run in the past. 503 00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:25,440 On that Saturday the 26th will be weeding and mulching apple trees at the orchard on Concord Road, 504 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,320 and we will also hand out hunter permits and new hunters will have to complete a marksmanship test, 505 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,320 which we can do very safely at a distance at the orchard field. 506 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:41,860 So the first Monday in October, which I don't know what date that is, but that'll be the 507 00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:42,820 first day of the season. 508 00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:49,800 One thing, Reese, just to note is I haven't paid too much attention, but I know there is 509 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:57,400 some legislation right now that Massachusetts is contemplating that would do two things 510 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:57,880 for hunting. 511 00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:02,720 That would allow hunting on Sundays, which it doesn't currently, and it would reduce the 512 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,040 that no discharge setbacks. 513 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:08,640 So currently we cannot hunt within 500 feet of a dwelling 514 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,340 or 150 feet of a roadway. 515 00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:12,820 And there's legislation put forward 516 00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:14,300 that would reduce that. 517 00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:17,800 Just for bow and arrow, I guess. 518 00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:18,620 Just for bow and arrow. 519 00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:18,920 Yeah. 520 00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:23,880 I think we in West and probably when 521 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,820 it comes to whether we would allow hunting on Sunday, 522 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,020 I think we probably can control that. 523 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,820 But I think if state law reduced that, 524 00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:36,620 no discharge setback. I'm assuming that we would have to abide by that. And that presumably would 525 00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:43,100 open up some additional acres for hunting. And I think I've, you know, mixed thoughts about 526 00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:46,620 allowing hunting on Sundays. Part of me thinks, well, the public is already putting up a 527 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:50,860 that six days a week. They should have one weekend day without hunters in the woods. But the other 528 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:55,220 part of me thinks, how often have any of you actually seen a hunter in the woods? I've literally never 529 00:42:55,220 --> 00:43:01,620 seen any of my hunters in the woods. So it's not like they're getting in the way of people enjoying 530 00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:09,260 the conservation land, and if one additional day, or let's say, you know, 12 additional days, 531 00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:14,360 throughout 12 to 13 additional days throughout a whole season, allow them to be more effective, 532 00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:20,680 I think I would probably be in support of it. So, but that's the deal. Unless the deer agree to 533 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:26,240 take Sunday off as well. Like when Tom and Jerry clock out and go for a drink of the bar, you know? 534 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:42,140 All right. You can actually see that if it does come up, you know, public comment. So yeah, I agree with that exactly. And I mean, you know, that might be something that we want to put forward to the public to, obviously. So, um, right. 535 00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:53,340 So that's September 26 hunter deer hunter permits are issued. We have our stewardship Saturday and then the first money in October is when the hunting program starts. 536 00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,540 Alright, that sounds good. Now we've got some minutes to approve. We've got 721. 537 00:44:01,580 --> 00:44:06,680 721 and 84. 721, by the way, Rishi weren't here. We did not. We passed over because there weren't 538 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,620 enough people here at the meeting that had participated in that meeting on July 21st. 539 00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:16,620 I think the other one I wasn't that. I wasn't here on the 84. 540 00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:34,460 Oh, it's just I'm sorry I misspoke. It's it's that our last meeting on eight four. I don't you weren't here other people weren't here, but there weren't enough people that were before meeting to feel comfortable approving the 721 minutes while they looked good to me. 541 00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:40,320 anyone else have any? Sarah give me one it was just a typo that I corrected on the 542 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,260 August 1 minutes related to a dispelling of her name in one of the motions and 543 00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:45,940 I fixed that. 544 00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:52,330 Got to spell our names right. Got to do that. All right so motion to 545 00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:54,790 approve 721. 546 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,480 Second. Second. And I don't remember who was not there, so was not voting. I vote yes to approve. 547 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:18,040 Alison, but I'm sorry. Alison, you were there? Yes, I vote yes. Okay. I was there. So I'll be there. 548 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,520 please. Yeah. 549 00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:23,000 Yes. And I don't know. Glenn Sarah. 550 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,580 Staying up. 551 00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:25,760 Staying up. 552 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:26,460 Staying. 553 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:27,240 Okay. 554 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:27,980 So. 555 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,540 So three zero three. 556 00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:32,640 That's it. 557 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:32,820 Yep. 558 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:33,780 Okay. 559 00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:35,600 And then August 4th. 560 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,380 Okay. 561 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:37,500 Um. 562 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,200 I move to approve the minutes. 563 00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:41,020 Okay. 564 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:42,460 Okay. 565 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:43,480 Um. 566 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:44,220 Sarah. 567 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:45,000 Yes. 568 00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:46,000 I mean. 569 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:46,480 Yes. 570 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,440 Yes, when were you there? 571 00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:48,920 Of staying. 572 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:49,980 Right. 573 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:50,640 Okay. 574 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,120 I wrote yes and Reese. 575 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,360 I love staying. 576 00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:54,180 Right. 577 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:54,520 Okay. 578 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,520 And I'll vote yes. 579 00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:56,500 Sorry. 580 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:57,640 That's okay. 581 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,240 So I'm going to say I'm lost a little bit. 582 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,320 That's 502. 583 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:03,780 Is that right? 584 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,620 Two of you have staying. 585 00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:05,100 Yep. 586 00:46:06,020 --> 00:46:07,560 Glenn and Glenn and Reese. 587 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,100 Okay. 588 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,560 Oh, 402. 589 00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:11,260 402. 590 00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:11,500 Yes. 591 00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:12,540 Thanks for the amount there. 592 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,240 We should have. 593 00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:25,310 one of the things I put under other matters. 594 00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:28,070 Oh yeah, 819. 595 00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:34,250 Right, so just to update the commission at one of our last meetings, we took a vote on 596 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:39,670 whether to proceed with requesting some funding from the CPC for an appraisal for 18, 597 00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:45,390 819 Boston Post Road, which you all were in favor of at least advancing to getting an appraisal, 598 00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:52,570 which the CPC awarded us money and we hired a land vest and they have completed the appraisal. 599 00:46:52,710 --> 00:47:00,190 I'm going to get it tomorrow and I think we're convening a small subgroup myself Glenn and 600 00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:04,030 Reese and someone from the Historical Commission and a few other town officials. 601 00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:11,510 What I would like to do is put this on the agenda for our next meeting on September 15th. 602 00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:12,150 I think it is. 603 00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:19,770 I do need to put a request in through the CPA by this Friday, which I'm going to do 604 00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:26,350 as a placeholder, just so we're sure that we have a request for funding. 605 00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:31,430 But then I think through our discussions, we can decide whether we want to pursue it. 606 00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:34,570 Refunding for the whole project? 607 00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:35,450 Right. 608 00:47:35,850 --> 00:47:35,950 Right. 609 00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:36,550 Exactly. 610 00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:37,430 Yeah. 611 00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:44,390 I mean, yeah, real estate is expensive in the West 612 00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:45,730 and even without a house on it. 613 00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:53,490 And I think there's several hurdles, obviously, 614 00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:56,510 including working with the owners to see if they're willing 615 00:47:56,510 --> 00:47:57,950 to go below market. 616 00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:59,970 That will come on discussion. 617 00:48:00,390 --> 00:48:01,370 That's just to let you all know. 618 00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:03,430 We're moving forward to this. 619 00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:05,610 I will submit a request for funding 620 00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:09,510 at Falltown meeting through the CPI as a placeholder. 621 00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:14,550 And then we can keep talking about this, 622 00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:18,990 but certainly at our next public meeting on September 15th. 623 00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:20,710 Now I always have a curiosity question. 624 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:24,190 Do we know how much the appraisal cost? 625 00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:26,630 The appraisal? Yes. 626 00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:28,250 Yes, we do. 627 00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:30,030 I can't tell you what the appraisal cost. 628 00:48:30,110 --> 00:48:30,770 I sort of forgot it. 629 00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:34,430 It came in a lot less than what we asked CP4. 630 00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:42,150 in this case, I think it was like six grand, but give me one second, I'll bring it right up. 631 00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:52,240 And the CPA paid for that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the overturned on spend funds to the 632 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,880 fund. Yeah. Yeah. And 633 00:48:58,950 --> 00:49:03,760 trouble finding the 6400. 634 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,700 And I think we asked for something like 20 just to 635 00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:39,660 Yeah, yeah, it was, you know, just made sense to go ahead and yeah approve a large amount and then return them. Yeah, that's not used. Yeah, I think that different town departments have had experience with more complicated appraisals that have come in at like 18 grand. Right, so we just wanted to be careful, but yeah, so 64 hundred dollars. Okay. I mean, it sounds like a lot, but I guess anything related real estate. A lot of money. Right. Yeah. Exactly. So. Yeah. So we'll see how everybody feels once we were 636 00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:43,600 the appraisal, you know, talking this sort of smaller working group and then bring it to the full 637 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:52,500 commission on the 15th. Okay. Sounds good. Thanks guys. All right. Yeah. We will see everyone 638 00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:54,680 I mean, just need a motion to close, Reese. 639 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,120 Anyone want to make a motion to close? 640 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:00,480 Same moves. 641 00:50:01,060 --> 00:50:02,500 All right, Glenn's on it. 642 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:03,460 Thank you. 643 00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:04,780 All right, guys. 644 00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:05,860 Good night, all right. 645 00:50:05,860 --> 00:50:06,180 Good night, all right. 646 00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:06,620 Good night, everyone. 647 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:07,640 Good night. 648 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:08,700 Good night.