1 00:00:00,460 --> 00:00:10,880 I'm ready. Good evening, everyone. Very here for the May 12th, session of the historic district commission. 2 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:21,760 We have our commissioners, our Hays, our Lena Gravero, Martha Iman, myself and our administrator. 3 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:32,440 is Donna Douglas and with that we can turn to our first item of business. Mr. Hayes. 4 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:37,760 Okay. First item of business. Excuse me. To approve the minutes of the April 9th, 5 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,500 2026 special meeting. 6 00:00:43,410 --> 00:00:49,750 I move to approve the minutes of the April 29 special meeting. 7 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Okay, so I carry this unanimously. 8 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,820 It brings us to our next item. 9 00:01:16,220 --> 00:01:16,700 I apologize. 10 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,700 I'm just running as fast as I can here. 11 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,020 No problem. 12 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:23,120 We're moving pretty quickly. 13 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,960 Yeah, I'm just going to say you're very, very efficient. 14 00:01:28,540 --> 00:01:28,780 All right. 15 00:01:28,940 --> 00:01:32,140 Item number two to approve the minutes of the April 9. 16 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:35,040 2026 public heating. 17 00:01:37,390 --> 00:01:43,070 I move to approve the minutes of April 9 public meeting. 18 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:48,960 Okay, I'll second. Yep. All those in favor. 19 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:50,180 Hi. 20 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,720 So that also carries unanimously. 21 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:11,400 Item number three to take such action as the meeting may determine to approve a certificate of appropriateness application 22 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:18,600 in HDC 26, 00, 001 did April 24, 23 00:02:20,820 --> 00:02:20,820 2025, 24 00:02:21,020 --> 00:02:23,700 is that right, 2025, 25 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,040 I propose, Cedar Fencing at seven wild rose road. 26 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:37,680 PID number C, 11570, which is located in the Garm Avenue, 27 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,300 local historic district. 28 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:44,280 And you are correct, but should be able 24, 226, I will correct that. 29 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:50,610 Do we have the applicant for seven wild rows here? 30 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:53,610 Yes, I'm here. 31 00:02:54,350 --> 00:02:57,150 Good evening. Could you tell us a little bit about your application? 32 00:02:57,950 --> 00:02:58,330 Sure. 33 00:02:59,450 --> 00:03:04,030 So we submitted an application to fence the property. 34 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:09,810 We haven't moved in yet, but we do have a large dog, 35 00:03:09,810 --> 00:03:19,490 who doesn't respond to underground fencing, so we wanted to put up a fence and also, you know, 36 00:03:19,530 --> 00:03:24,770 my thought was to make it pool code in the event that at some later date we want to do, 37 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:31,090 it would have to be like a very small either hot tub or plunge pool, but that's something that I want 38 00:03:31,090 --> 00:03:40,130 keep it as an option. If we can, so that would, you know, necessitate having the property 39 00:03:40,130 --> 00:03:48,070 fence as well. So, our, you know, the plan was to, we did look around the neighborhood 40 00:03:48,070 --> 00:03:55,830 and really I think the only two things that I did see were tongue and groove and pick it. 41 00:03:56,490 --> 00:04:00,770 And that's, that was probably what I would have chosen anyway, because it's just, 42 00:04:00,770 --> 00:04:15,790 simplest, you know, modest, simple, historic, and so the, yeah. So that's that was our, our proposal. 43 00:04:16,850 --> 00:04:23,830 I don't know what you, I just realized that I had, I did submit that survey that has the lines. 44 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:28,870 Do you want me to show you that and then show you the photos of the fencing or how do you want me 45 00:04:28,870 --> 00:04:36,110 do that. I think, you know, we have all the materials. So, you know, we're, we've all reviewed them. 46 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:42,330 So, unless you have anything further to add, you know, we can refer to those in our 47 00:04:42,330 --> 00:04:47,230 deliberations such. Yeah, no, I don't have anything further. Thank you. 48 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:54,590 Okay, so, are there any members of the commissions with comments on the fence at seven wild rows? 49 00:04:54,590 --> 00:04:55,530 Um, 50 00:04:59,710 --> 00:05:11,430 I only have a question on the survey, um, I don't know if it's loading on my end, uh, with the slight shift that, um, I just want to confirm that the four foot cedar packet fence is proposed. 51 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:24,550 That, um, on the front edge of the wild rose road, as well as down either side, um, and then the six foot is proposed further in the backyard. 52 00:05:24,550 --> 00:05:31,690 Is that on the red? Okay, thank you. Yes, the colors and the wording seem out of sync on my end. 53 00:05:31,890 --> 00:05:43,810 Oh, okay. So yeah, so it's it's pick it from I'm cutting him and wild rose and that halfway back and then 54 00:05:44,430 --> 00:05:53,570 and that's for foot and then tongue is the green. Well, you may not see green going to the rear and then the, you know, along that back. 55 00:05:53,910 --> 00:05:59,590 Yeah, this is halfway for foot and then halfway green on that side. 56 00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:10,510 Yeah, and I think, I think what they typically do is do some sort of graduated thing. So it's not just like this, but it's the gradual step down. 57 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:13,650 Thank you. 58 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:17,650 Are there any other commissioners with comments on seven wildfresh? 59 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,020 Okay, so I'm sorry, Martha. 60 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,540 No, I have none. 61 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,440 Yeah, I took a look at our design guidelines and Alainus. 62 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:46,580 I mean, it was clarifying because the guidelines provide that the front yard binotic scene 63 00:06:46,580 --> 00:06:59,580 forfeet, which the applicant is telling us at all, and they also provide that for historic homes 64 00:06:59,580 --> 00:07:08,860 that split rails and brick are not suitable which this is not I think it is consistent with 65 00:07:08,860 --> 00:07:17,740 other homes in the neighborhood as the applicant has suggested those are my comments are there 66 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:24,540 any members of the public here for the censored seven wild rows? 67 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:35,720 Yes, this is my name is Al-Qaeda. I'm a live at nine wild rose road and this is my wife is Margaret. She's, there she is. 68 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:46,780 It turns out in preparation for today going over the materials we discovered that the survey, there's a mistake in the survey, at least as far as what I can see. 69 00:07:46,780 --> 00:07:51,320 And that is that the split rail fence is 70 00:07:54,100 --> 00:08:06,420 is wrong on the survey it's it's in a different place on the survey on the actual property. 71 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:16,100 So what happened was the reason that happened is Dali, who was the previous owner and peers that eventually placed about 10 years ago. 72 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:22,100 and she was living on a fixed income and did not want to have a fence coming to 73 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:27,860 come in and do a sell for it to replace it and she and I split the cost. 74 00:08:29,780 --> 00:08:34,540 So what we did was actually market and we did it ourselves, we done the holes and 75 00:08:34,540 --> 00:08:42,260 everything and put the posts in and we just followed the old fence, I guess that was 76 00:08:42,260 --> 00:08:51,000 a mistake because it turns up where we put the fence according to the survey is wrong. It's on 77 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:54,020 seven wild roses property. 78 00:08:59,550 --> 00:09:03,390 So I would like to get a single garden to confirm that that's 79 00:09:03,390 --> 00:09:04,470 in fact true. 80 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:16,820 Okay, so the application that we have today, sir, is for to determine whether the 81 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:30,080 The proposed fencing is appropriate to the local historic district as that term is defined 82 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,400 in the Connecticut General Statutes. 83 00:09:33,980 --> 00:09:44,540 So we don't have any purview over the siding of the fence other than, and so far as it 84 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:52,220 as the sighting pertains to the Secretary of Interior's guidelines that I mentioned. 85 00:09:53,260 --> 00:10:03,600 So those guidelines provide us some instruction on the height of the fence with respect to the front and the backyard, 86 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:11,500 and they give us some instruction concerning the materials of the fence. 87 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:21,820 But what it doesn't give us is the ability to look at issues of like sighting, like you're talking about. 88 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:31,500 So, and Donna will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the applicant here will have to go up. 89 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,180 I mean, I actually don't know if you have to go to building for a fence of this nature. 90 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:39,220 Would you, Donna, do you know that off end? 91 00:10:39,220 --> 00:10:41,140 if it's building your P&Z. 92 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:48,340 Yeah, so the sighting of the fence is probably under the purview of another 93 00:10:48,340 --> 00:10:55,340 department, either P&Z or building our both, that would have to issue their own 94 00:10:56,260 --> 00:10:56,940 permit. 95 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:09,200 You know, determine if it's sighted properly and if it's consistent with the rest of the 96 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,440 Historically appropriate to the character in the local historic district, 97 00:11:16,460 --> 00:11:40,310 so it sounds like what's being proposed is probably more and more consistent with the rest of the district from my impression, but if you have any comments on, you know, the design of the fence, the materials are up there, you know, the materials that are being used so far. 98 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:45,030 We're discussing today at this meeting. 99 00:11:45,850 --> 00:11:46,690 Okay, thank you. 100 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,000 It's a little hard to imagine from the pictures from the photographs. 101 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:03,100 How the fence is going to look in relationship into the neighborhood. 102 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,140 I did not see other fencing in the neighborhood at all. 103 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,480 That was mentioned certainly not the six foot. 104 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,600 and I didn't see any, there is one house that has a pick of fence, but it's down the door 105 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,520 of it. It's not in the front of the house. 106 00:12:22,540 --> 00:12:24,760 So, so, any other, you know, the issue, but deciding 107 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,380 of the fences, the fences, at least part of the fence will be on top of a stone wall, which will 108 00:12:29,380 --> 00:12:42,480 make it a lot higher than 4 feet tall. So, I don't know how that plays into the, to the, I think that 109 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:50,160 is a relevant point. The six feet in the back, that's consistent with the guidelines because 110 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,280 again, our jurisdiction in this commission is just what's visible from the public way. 111 00:12:55,580 --> 00:13:02,920 And then the construction materials and methods are consistent with the local historic district. 112 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:10,260 But if the four foot fence is on top of a two foot wall, that would potentially mean that it's 113 00:13:10,260 --> 00:13:16,820 higher than a four-foot fence. So, could you shed some light on that? Could the applicants shed some light on that? 114 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:25,720 But from the neighbor? Yeah, so I actually wasn't, I'm not 100% sure what the best way to handle that is, 115 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:35,780 but because the wall itself, I don't think is like completely more murdered, you know what I mean? 116 00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:39,740 Like, I don't know that it's able to hold a fence. 117 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,920 So, you know, the fence could actually go on the inside, 118 00:13:42,940 --> 00:13:46,260 like on our side of the stone wall potentially. 119 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:53,540 The only, and I think that's probably how the fence 120 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:55,340 people would handle that, 121 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:58,300 just put it on the inside of the stone. 122 00:13:58,940 --> 00:14:01,420 But the problem, the only issue with that, 123 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:03,900 and I haven't measured, I don't know for sure, 124 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:09,120 But I think the stone walls pretty low, like maybe a foot or less, I'm not sure. 125 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:20,160 If we were to try later on to put in a pool or a plunge pool or a hot tub or something 126 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:28,020 and needed it to be pool code, if it is inside the stone wall, then that stone wall is 127 00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:32,760 a climbing hazard so that it, so four feet actually wouldn't be enough. 128 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:56,820 So that's, you know, that that's what I was going to, you know, I wasn't sure how what you guys were going to say and that's what I was, you know, one thing I could suggest is that we could make it slightly higher if it's on the inside of the stone wall, but I don't know, do you understand what I'm saying? Sorry, I'm not explaining that. 129 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:59,500 No, it makes sense that issue is that 130 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:10,940 Is that our guidelines, day that, at least for the front yards in historic districts, they shouldn't be higher than four, whether it's on top of a stone wall or behind a stone wall? 131 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:20,340 So it's kind of the same thing with the neighbor, with deciding the fence, we don't really have any purview over the, you know, the pools and things of that nature. 132 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,760 We're just looking at whether the fence is consistent with the local historic district. 133 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:34,660 So, if you had a four foot fence inside the stone wall in my view, that would probably be appropriate under the statute. 134 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:35,660 Okay. 135 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:38,820 So, I think, I get that. 136 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:49,260 So, I think, yeah, as far as this particular point is concerned, I think, yeah, it just stays four feet. 137 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:54,220 It goes inside the stone wall and then at some point later, 138 00:15:54,220 --> 00:16:01,760 if I do decide to try to get a permit to do a pool, then I'll just figure out, like maybe I can just 139 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:10,860 do a little small pool fence, like deer fence or something from that corner of the house over 140 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:16,860 where the six foot meets the four foot so that it kind of cuts it off the backyard. 141 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,720 You know what I mean? Well that's something that you'll have to work out during the approval process 142 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:28,340 for the poll permits with the building department. They will take exactly where it goes, so you'll 143 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:33,860 be, you'll have the opportunity at that time. I'd want to add that there is a house 144 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:45,800 that is, I guess across the street from you, they have bushes and hedges at the front and then 145 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,700 there's four foot fencing that starts directly afterwards in their side yard and it progresses all 146 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:56,380 all the way towards the rear and start to step up to a six foot fence where it meets the 147 00:16:56,380 --> 00:17:06,240 rear yard neighbors. It's a property next door to eight wild roads road. And they also do 148 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:14,540 have that picket fence, you know, starting at the driveway and wrapping around partially. So 149 00:17:14,540 --> 00:17:23,900 There is evidence of a fence of the nature that you describe on the street, and the one 150 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:33,140 that I described is very vividly visible from the street, and in keeping of that character 151 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:47,280 is been described earlier is the historic, the appropriate, and the rest of the height that 152 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:56,720 relates to the pool is a later disorderly. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, I only, I'm saying that just because 153 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,180 I feel like there is, there is another solution. 154 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,940 So it doesn't have to be higher. 155 00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:03,000 Yeah. 156 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,460 So my only question is who looked just to go on maybe for Donna. 157 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:14,680 And we vote to approve the application as submitted, or do we have just 158 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,120 the motion have to reflect that the fence is going to be inside the wall? 159 00:18:22,460 --> 00:18:24,580 I think it depends on where you want the fence. 160 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,360 If you want to inside the wall, then the motion should state it inside the wall. 161 00:18:32,540 --> 00:18:42,260 It should be inside the wall, and I think Mrs. Law did, I think she is correct. 162 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,040 Most of these walls are not built to withstand posts and offense. 163 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,340 They're usually rubble walls that are stacked. 164 00:18:50,400 --> 00:19:00,100 So, any fence outfit or a contractor of any type would likely place it on the owner side 165 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:08,400 of the stone wall, because if it's placed on the other side, then they're in breach of other property. 166 00:19:10,860 --> 00:19:21,760 So it is a logical enforcement, sort of speak, to state that it must remain on the owner's side of the stone wall. 167 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,040 Okay, I'm on the stone wall. 168 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:33,940 If someone's willing to make a motion as it's written in the agenda, but with the 169 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:41,980 Proviso that the four foot section of the wall is within the existing stone wall, 170 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:47,500 I think that that would address the concerns of commission. 171 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:50,100 It's not fair to say. 172 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,360 Yeah, I can try to make a motion if you'd like, and we'll fumble through it together. 173 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,180 Sounds good. 174 00:19:58,380 --> 00:20:12,500 I, to take such action to approve certificate of appropriateness for application HDC-26001 dated April 24th, 175 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:20,840 for 2006 for Proposed Cedar Fencing at Seven Wild Rose Road, which is located in the Gorum 176 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,860 Avenue Local Historic Districts with the following exceptions. 177 00:20:25,220 --> 00:20:33,220 The fence proposed must comply to the historic height restrictions of a maximum of four feet 178 00:20:33,220 --> 00:20:42,940 on street frontages and in this case, it must be installed on the owner side of the existing 179 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:50,080 stone wall, not on the stone wall and not in front of facing the street. Does that sound? 180 00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:57,320 Yes, I second the motion. Did you get all that art? I'm writing as fast as I can. 181 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:02,580 I can't see it if you'd like, and we got the right story to go back to. 182 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:14,240 Okay, all right, we have a second. 183 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,720 All right, then you want to take a vote. 184 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,960 Yeah, I second in the motion and all those in favor. 185 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:20,520 Hi. 186 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,280 Okay, so the application motion carries with the, 187 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,040 the provisions that we've added and thank you both for 188 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:51,800 appearing, and for the neighbor at nine wild rows, I would check the genders at the building and zoning departments, and the next month or two, and you should be able to address your concerns about the sighting at that time. 189 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:57,920 Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you. 190 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:04,900 Next item number four on the agenda to take 191 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:11,180 such action as the meeting may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 192 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:19,760 12 morning side lane and require the full 180 day delay. Do we have the applicant for 12 morning 193 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:30,200 Yes. Good evening, everyone. I am asking the commission to wave the 180 day 412 morning side. 194 00:22:30,860 --> 00:22:39,380 It is on a 0.35 of an acre piece of property and the house is built in 1950. 195 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:46,780 There is both a house, the main house and then a separate garage off of the house 196 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:56,080 And to our knowledge, there's no historic significance on the property, so happy to take any questions at the time. 197 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,160 Thank you. 198 00:23:00,660 --> 00:23:05,860 Are there any members of the commission or any comments on 12 morning signs? 199 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,240 Okay, hearing none. 200 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,800 Are there any members of the public with any comments on the application on 12 morning signs? 201 00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:31,850 Okay, hearing nothing from the public. 202 00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:35,170 Do we have a motion and respect of 12 morning signs? 203 00:23:35,170 --> 00:23:46,290 I do, I move to wave the 180-day delay and allow the issuance of the demolition permit at 12 morning 204 00:23:46,290 --> 00:23:51,890 sideline and not require the full 180-day delay. 205 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:54,990 I second. 206 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,300 Was it in favor? 207 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Aye. 208 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:04,860 Aye. 209 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,820 Looks like the motion carries unanimously. 210 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,180 Thank you. 211 00:24:10,780 --> 00:24:11,420 Thank you. 212 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:14,260 Okay. 213 00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:20,540 Next item is number five on the agenda to take such action as the meeting mid-determined 214 00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:27,380 to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 56 part-trick road and require the 215 00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:29,320 full 180 day delay. 216 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,720 We have the applicant for 56 part-trick. 217 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,080 Yes, I'm here. 218 00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:38,220 Good evening. 219 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,940 Could you tell us a bit about your application? 220 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,820 Yes, my name is Nick Taylor. 221 00:24:42,020 --> 00:24:44,480 I'm the applicant for 56 part-trick road. 222 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:54,240 The House was built on 1970, about 15 years old, and it has low feelings, and there's no way to be used. 223 00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:00,360 So we'd like to wait for the 180 events and grant us the application to do the demo. 224 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,180 Thank you, sir. 225 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:11,260 Are there any members of the commission who had comments on this application? 226 00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:19,170 Sorry, did you say the public or the commission? 227 00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:21,310 The commission's 228 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,820 hearing none are there any members of the public with comments on this application. 229 00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:33,900 Yes, I'm Chris Vottis. 230 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:38,640 I live at 64 part-trick road. 231 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:44,200 And the way the lots are configured there, 232 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:51,940 I am directly downhill from 56 part-trick road. 233 00:25:51,940 --> 00:26:02,820 I'd like to know since if it's going to be an immediate demolition, if there are any toxic 234 00:26:02,820 --> 00:26:14,180 substances that will be released into the air, number one, and how long will the noise 235 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:24,720 and machinery, be working to do that, will there be any blasting because of that house 236 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:35,260 and coming down to my property is all rock ledge when I try to make my foundation bigger, 237 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:45,660 I could not because it would have required blasting, which would have damaged the existing 238 00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:49,460 house and surrounding houses because of the rock ledge. 239 00:26:50,480 --> 00:27:00,160 And I'm asking for a delay to perhaps the house could be remodeled on the existing foundation 240 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:11,100 because I believe if anything larger as we have seen in West 4, 1800 square foot homes 241 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:19,740 become 8,000 square foot homes that require a tremendous amount of digging, blasting, 242 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:29,460 etc. And I don't know if this particular area of the neighborhood could sustain that 243 00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:34,780 without any environmental damage. 244 00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:37,870 Thank you. 245 00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:41,630 And Donna was just a commenter. 246 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:47,390 I was just asking Donna was this the commenter who submitted a written comment and 247 00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:48,870 advance of our meeting as well. 248 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:50,590 Okay. 249 00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:52,430 So I just wanted to know for the record. 250 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:58,230 We also received a written comment in advance of today's meeting. 251 00:27:58,230 --> 00:28:08,150 was consistent with the comment that was just made from a record here. I believe the applicant had 252 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:14,930 response or something to say about that. Yeah, so basically we're not touching foundation, 253 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:22,010 text, we're not touching the foundation, we're building on existed foundation, the same exact house. 254 00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:28,870 in just the ways in this. We tend to, we pull the permit to remodel but the walls are beyond 255 00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:34,730 their pairs and to make sure the lady can have my phone number she wants to come to. Look at 256 00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:41,350 the property and welcome. There's nothing left, we need to have a day to take it down. There's nothing 257 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:47,090 left except we try to do inside which will be a situation where it will be nothing. It's only outside 258 00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:53,210 a lot. It's a one day job. And if they ignore it, she can call me directly. We're 259 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:59,370 there in person. Okay, okay. Okay, okay, it's a fine. Are you saying? I'm not 260 00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:04,550 actually a foundation. Okay, a foundation, a foundation. It stays. I mean, you're only 261 00:29:04,550 --> 00:29:08,430 removing the framing to clarify. The foundation is staying. And there's no 262 00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:13,870 additional foundation or expansion. It's just the new walls, new framing being put 263 00:29:13,870 --> 00:29:16,370 on old-footing and foundation walls. 264 00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:20,830 Then why is there a backhoe that's digging into the hill right now? 265 00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:21,630 Nobody did. 266 00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:22,670 Man Disney's digging. 267 00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:23,790 That's my backhoe. 268 00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:24,690 I was there myself. 269 00:29:24,910 --> 00:29:26,810 I was looking for the well. 270 00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:29,470 If you go there, you'll see what's searching for the right. 271 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:34,290 Survey says 38 and we're looking for 34, always or 42. 272 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:35,730 There was no digging. 273 00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:36,870 I was there myself. 274 00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:38,370 There's no digging. 275 00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:43,310 Before we go any further down the road, I do just want to point out 276 00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:52,070 But for an application such as yours, the standard that the Commission applies is whether 277 00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:59,130 the home has any remaining historic architectural or cultural. 278 00:30:00,110 --> 00:30:13,450 Are you such that a delay is warranted or the consideration and discussion of alternatives to demolition? 279 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:28,690 So, while the, while the concerns of the comments are noted, it's kind of like the certificate of appropriate disapplication that we have for defense. 280 00:30:28,690 --> 00:30:36,150 The environmental aspects are probably the best address. 281 00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:44,250 This project goes before the observation department or the aspects of health districts, 282 00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:46,310 or the building department. 283 00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:51,790 Those would be the agencies that would have jurisdiction over that 284 00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:52,890 after the project. 285 00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:56,390 What we're doing today is determining whether 286 00:30:56,390 --> 00:31:07,270 to uphold this demolition delay to discuss the preservation of the historic structure. 287 00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:23,440 I would add that, based on what the applicant is saying, it seems like the structure will at least substantially be retained in this process. 288 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,180 It 289 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,480 might say, we can't hit the limit. 290 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:35,440 So for the historical part, we don't see any historical but to meet the neighbor at the 291 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,940 ease. 292 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,880 In order to call a firm a discusses this, this, this, this, this and the hygienist of what 293 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,280 was done is none. 294 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,440 We not touch in foundation and we have their careful from the neighbors. 295 00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:53,180 It is a house, and the rest which is 52, 52, butchered to road, which is in Schatz and 296 00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:55,480 when I became in New York. 297 00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:57,300 I mean, if anybody is welcome to, 298 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,600 and you are very careful in the United States, 299 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,520 you'd like to make sure everybody's piece. 300 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,640 But for the historic sites, we don't see any of those stories, 301 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,840 but that's what's likely to, to avoid that. 302 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,240 Like the Lidias concerned, she's welcome to call me directly. 303 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,400 Thank you. 304 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,680 So would your, you're not the applicant from Queenfrey, 305 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:19,340 are you? 306 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,580 Excuse me, sir. 307 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,580 Okay, yes. 308 00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:35,340 So for the neighbor with the concerns, the applicant on this application, his contact information 309 00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:36,840 is in our meeting materials. 310 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:47,440 He just indicated that he'd be happy to discuss this further with you about the concerns 311 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:58,520 you have aside from the historic, pretty issue that's before us. So with that said, is there anyone 312 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:06,380 else from the public that's here on the application for 56-partrick road? 313 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,040 And hearing nothing, 314 00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:22,300 does anyone have a motion in respect of 56-partrick road? I do. I moved to wave the 180-day delay 315 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,660 and allow the issuance of the demolition permit at 56 part-trick 316 00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:31,580 road and not require the 180 day delay. 317 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:33,660 A second emotion. 318 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,800 On those in favor. 319 00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:37,880 Hi. Hi. 320 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,900 Okay, so the motion carries unanimously. Thank you, sir. 321 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:54,160 Friends us to our next agenda item number six. Number six to take such action as the 322 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:01,480 may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 21 Burr Farms Road and require 323 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:11,420 the full 180 day delay. Do we have the applicant on 21 Burr Farms? Yes. That's Alex from Coastal. 324 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,300 Alex, could you tell us a bit about this one? Sure can. How's everyone doing tonight? 325 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,960 Good, thank you. Good. So yeah, so the property, we're we were contracted 326 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:32,460 by the owners to build a new home on the property 21 birth arms road, property sitting on 1.2 acres. 327 00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:43,960 The actual square footage of the other dwelling is 3,850 square feet built in 1951. 328 00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:49,000 And just like I said, we were contracted by the owners to build a new property at this at this address. 329 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,240 And that is where we are. 330 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:55,860 Thanks, Alex. 331 00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,620 Are there any members of the commission's 332 00:35:01,180 --> 00:35:03,960 with, that's a 21 burfarm's road? 333 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,400 Hearing nothing, are there any members of the public 334 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480 with any comments on 21 burfarm's road? 335 00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:19,720 How many trees will be cut down old trees? 336 00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:24,450 That is a question I would have to fucking 337 00:35:24,450 --> 00:35:30,430 follow up with you, you know exactly like last the last that last project manager was talking 338 00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:35,310 about I can definitely you know then can get my number email out we can definitely you know 339 00:35:35,310 --> 00:35:39,670 if you were curious I'll run it by the project manager who's the one who actually handles the demo 340 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:46,610 I only get the permits. The only reason I asked because on the corner of Sturgis Highway and 341 00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:56,190 in a whole farm road, that beautiful historic, the properties been absolutely, I mean it's 342 00:35:56,190 --> 00:36:04,730 just a climb, and same with the old gain or house on a whole farm road, how many old trees? 343 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:10,430 I know it's not a structure, but the trees are healthy, they're old, they're majestic, 344 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:23,410 And the clear cutting of these old trees that cannot be replaced, I feel, you know, are just as important as some of the homes. 345 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:29,350 And they're not respected. It's like I feel like the land is not respected at all. 346 00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:39,350 For the age of the plantings and the trees and how it affects drainage and noise for the rest of the neighborhood, you know, I already lost. 347 00:36:39,350 --> 00:36:43,530 I have a 9,800 square foot house, two houses down. 348 00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:45,390 They cut down at every tree. 349 00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:49,390 I could hear the parkway now, you know, it's horrible. 350 00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:54,190 And I'm just hoping you consider being a little more careful 351 00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:57,050 with that property and going forward. 352 00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:58,990 I appreciate your input. 353 00:36:59,130 --> 00:37:01,290 I would have a pass on to it's even our project managers 354 00:37:01,290 --> 00:37:02,710 and owners, all that stuff. 355 00:37:02,890 --> 00:37:03,290 Thank you. 356 00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:04,190 Of course. 357 00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:05,050 Thanks. 358 00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:36,020 And I would just add for the, for our comments here on Burf farms and Alex Kent, you can connect with Alex, his, his, his contact information is in our meeting materials, but you'll see that when it comes to the cutting of trees, the, the cutting of trees that are solely on private properties, 359 00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:41,000 is not regulated by the town, which is part of the issue that you're talking about, but one 360 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:52,040 of the things that is regulated is trees that are in the outright of way cannot be caught 361 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:59,680 or pruned without or permitting something to the extent that the trees you're talking 362 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:08,270 in the town right of way. That may be an additional, you know, permitting process where you 363 00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:12,610 will have the opportunity to address that. Okay, thank you. 364 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,420 Okay, so with that said, 365 00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:21,800 is there anyone else in the public with any comments on 21 birth arms roads, 366 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:25,360 hearing nothing 367 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:32,520 do we have a motion on 21 birth arms roads? I do. I moved to wave the 180 day delay and allow 368 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:41,980 the issuance of the demolition permit, and 21 Burf Farms Road, and not require the full 180 day delay. 369 00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:47,610 My second. 370 00:38:49,050 --> 00:38:50,110 All those in favor? 371 00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:52,310 Aye. 372 00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:57,520 And the motion carries unanimously. 373 00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:01,460 Aye, you guys so much, have a wonderful night. 374 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,460 Thank you, too. 375 00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:07,450 I'm sorry. 376 00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:09,710 Don't please go ahead. 377 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:19,170 Item number seven on the agenda to take such action as the meeting may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 29 378 00:39:20,070 --> 00:39:24,150 Gioroad and require the full 180 day delay. 379 00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:27,670 Do we have the applicant on 380 00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:29,570 Gioroad here 381 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,440 once for Gioroad. 382 00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:46,750 Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. This is the applicant for 29 Gioroad. 383 00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:55,010 I, how are you? I'm doing just the Andy. Could you tell us a bit about your application, please? 384 00:39:56,350 --> 00:40:11,910 Yeah, the house was built in 1955. We're just looking to demolish the existing structure, except the foundation, and we're going to add square footage to the property, taking it from approximately 1,080 square feet to 3,700 square feet. 385 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,040 Okay, 386 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,360 so there are the comments from the commission. 387 00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:26,620 The application in respect of guy or a road, 388 00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:34,890 hearing none, are there any members of the public? 389 00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:40,570 Any comments on 29 guy or a, 390 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,480 I'm a cute house. 391 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:51,820 I mean, I don't know, what's good, 392 00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:54,580 could you tell us a good about the condition of the home? 393 00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:57,480 It's an older house. 394 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,440 It's a little smaller. 395 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:07,640 has no garage, the old owner renovated it into a bedroom. It's outdated. It was a beautiful 396 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,280 property in the area. We saw them with the neighbor did, and we were inspired to do the same. 397 00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:22,330 Yeah, it looks like it was one and a half stores at one point, but maybe not anymore. 398 00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:38,510 Were there any members of the public on 29-guire? The comments, 399 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,020 hearing nothing, or does anyone have a 400 00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:53,580 in respect of a 29-guy or a do. I moved to wave the 180-day delay and allow the issuance of the 401 00:41:53,580 --> 00:42:15,000 demolition permit at 29-guy or road and not required the full 180-day delay. Thank you very much 402 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,660 Okay, so I carry this unanimously. 403 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,060 Thank you sir. 404 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,680 Thank you guys very much. I do appreciate it. 405 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:42,220 Next item is number eight on the agenda to take such action as the meeting may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 48 Calvary Road and require the full 180 day delay. 406 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,340 We had Alex here from Bluewater Home Builders. 407 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:55,580 Our client has contracted us to go to the permanent process but also to build a new house eventually. 408 00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:59,620 What we have here is a house that was built in 1965. 409 00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:06,440 It's about 3,300 square feet and it's a two-story gear and gravel style colonial. 410 00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:16,620 don't see anything that would you know demon as historical or of any importance. So at that 411 00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:25,980 point just want to move forward and hopefully wave the 180 days. Thank you sir. Are there any 412 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:30,400 members of the commission with comments on cavalry road 413 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:35,720 hearing none are there any members 414 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,340 So the public with any comments on Calvary Road, 415 00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:48,640 that does anyone have a motion concerning 416 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,080 a remote? 417 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,560 I do. 418 00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:59,500 I move to wave the 180 day delay and allow the issuance of the demolition permit at 48 419 00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:03,860 Calvary Road and not require the full 180 day delay. 420 00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:07,030 I second a motion. 421 00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:10,030 All those in favor? 422 00:44:11,130 --> 00:44:11,370 Hi. 423 00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:18,060 And the motion carries unanimously. Thank you, sir. Thank you, guys. Have a great night. 424 00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:21,250 You too. Have a good night. You do. 425 00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:32,640 Thanks. So that brings us to our next agenda item number nine. 426 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:41,020 Number nine. To take such action as the meeting may determine to rescind adoption of the motion to oppose the issuance 427 00:44:41,020 --> 00:44:49,840 of the demolition permit at 4-Wage Grove Road, which motion was adopted at the April 9-2026 meeting. 428 00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:55,570 To me, have the applicant on 4-Wage Grove Road. 429 00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:58,650 Yeah, hello, Ben. It's Chris Montenaro. How you doing? 430 00:44:58,650 --> 00:44:59,850 I 431 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:10,120 But you can't recognize some more detail on a moment. I just wanted to let the commission know what was done on our end. 432 00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:22,460 I spoke with Elaine, who is not with us today, but who spoke with Chris and did some investigation of her own and respect of the property. 433 00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:30,980 and what she told me was that an alternative to demolition were considered moving the property 434 00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:37,760 was not feasible, moving the structure was not feasible because of electrical wires that 435 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:52,440 were in the way and further consideration where I left off of the lane was that due to flood 436 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:59,340 that if the structure was to be saved, it would have to be raised, which would likely 437 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:13,540 you know, militate against, you know, a feasible plan, feasible alternative to demolition. 438 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:21,600 The one thing Chris maybe you can add was he had said that, you know, she wasn't sure exactly 439 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,120 what the elevations of the home were. So maybe if it was an eight feet already, it wouldn't be 440 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,000 such a terrific change. I don't think it was. Maybe you could speak to that. 441 00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:38,120 And whatever other inquiries you've made since our last meeting. Yeah, thanks, Ben. Yeah. 442 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:49,440 So all those things you just said in our true. Yeah. And this house has been in the the 443 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:55,620 50, 60 plus years and you know, the house was, you know, house is not on any inventory, historic 444 00:46:55,620 --> 00:47:04,600 list or, you know, district, as you know, and it's really, never been, never been preserved, 445 00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:09,980 and intended to be preserved, you know, the family, you know, of course, if they wanted to, 446 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:15,900 you know, over the years, you know, get some sort of protection on the home, they could of, 447 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:18,180 but it's really, it's gone through a lot of permutations 448 00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:21,840 and additions, and clearly neglected. 449 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,160 And yeah, as I did look at, you know, 450 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:33,160 exploring 32-18, and moving it somewhere, 451 00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:36,000 but the property does have those constraints. 452 00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:40,720 Part of it is in the flood zone, you know, 453 00:47:40,820 --> 00:47:44,560 it does have issues that just make it not feasible 454 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:54,160 to, you know, to do, you know, 32-18 or, you know, keeping the existing structure to, the house is really, 455 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,960 it just, you know, it needs to come down. And my clients, you know, I can't work with it the way it is. 456 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,920 And I explored, you know, other options and, you know, this property has some challenges. So, 457 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:19,010 just respectfully, hopefully, you guys could see that and, you know, you guys could not uphold the remaining months that are left. 458 00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:27,320 I think Chris, are there any commissioners with any questions or comments for Chris on four Woods Grove? 459 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,500 My 460 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:42,390 part, yeah, I think there was some pretty decent inquiry that was made it to outside 461 00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:50,450 at our last meeting, a pretty decent record that was pushed on the property, the last 462 00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:59,270 meeting, I'm in addition to one of the alternatives we discussed then, we also had another 463 00:48:59,270 --> 00:49:05,350 attendee of the meeting who gave us some insight as to the interior of the home, which was 464 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:14,980 significant disrepair, which was another, uh, clear that might make an alternative to demolition, 465 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:24,920 not feasible, in this case. It was satisfied that a good faith effort, uh, been made to explore 466 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,440 I'll turn it in on four woodscroaf. 467 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,440 But that said, are there any members of the public 468 00:49:33,660 --> 00:49:36,320 with months on four woodscroaf? 469 00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:43,870 Hearing none, does anyone have a motion on four woodscroaf? 470 00:49:44,350 --> 00:49:47,710 Actually, Ben, I have one question for Donna. 471 00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:54,690 Just a administrative question. 472 00:49:54,690 --> 00:50:03,710 I was not at the the April 9 meeting. If I were to use myself, we used to have a quorum. 473 00:50:06,070 --> 00:50:08,450 We still have three, yes. 474 00:50:08,770 --> 00:50:12,910 Okay, then I'm going to recuse myself on this just because I was not here for the original discussion. 475 00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:15,690 Okay, so we're okay. 476 00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:24,170 All right, that's um, thank you all. That's a good point. And thank you for staying on the line. I know you probably were going to turn into a pumpkin eight minutes ago. 477 00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:31,610 Yeah, if I can keep going, we'll finish on this one and then you can jump off for the next one. 478 00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:33,390 No problem, yeah. 479 00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:38,750 Okay, so to anyone else out of motion on forward scroll, 480 00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:48,600 I will make a motion to rescind the adoption of the motion to oppose the issue 481 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,840 and to the demolition per minute forward scroll, 482 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,380 which motion was adopted at the April 9th, 2026 eating. 483 00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:59,680 for a second. 484 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,520 I'll sadly second. 485 00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:08,840 Yeah, it's unfortunate because it is a great house. 486 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,280 There was a way to save it. 487 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,280 I think that would be great. 488 00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:20,640 These are the tough ones when you have this level. 489 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,840 It's not quite a band and there was someone living in it. 490 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:32,880 that with the flood zones, I think that's just one extra meant. 491 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,700 So with that, all those in favor, 492 00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:43,110 yeah, 493 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,500 the motion carries unanimously with Art's 494 00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:47,900 refusal. 495 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:50,380 Thank you, Chris. 496 00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:53,180 Thank you guys for your consideration, effort. 497 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,400 Thank you. 498 00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:06,840 Okay, so, last item, if you have to go, you know, we can just, I think you're going. 499 00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:07,600 Okay. 500 00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:08,500 It's no problem. 501 00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:09,740 Thank you. 502 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:10,280 Okay. 503 00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:16,180 This last item, I just want to, let me just pull up the comments that I got from the Center 504 00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:19,100 Green Associated and still. 505 00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:21,300 I'm sorry. 506 00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:23,400 Item number 10. 507 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,080 To review and comment on the draft letter to the town. 508 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,880 and its departments considering private funding 509 00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:33,840 the treatment actions to the West Parish site. 510 00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:41,330 OK, so you guys have seen this letter. 511 00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:48,410 We got contacted from a group interested neighbors 512 00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:50,850 that want to give a bit of background. 513 00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:54,550 There's a 2011 preservation plan that resulted 514 00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:57,750 in the historic designation of the West Parish site. 515 00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:03,750 It's set for the number of treatment actions for the site to improve its accessibility and 516 00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:11,990 reserve the birth character, the property, and those 517 00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:18,310 treatment actions have taken place, many of them have not. 518 00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:22,850 This center-green association 519 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:30,340 was to fund privately certain of the improvements to 520 00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:31,300 it. 521 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:38,480 Brails throughout the property that will allow people to access, you know, to walk through 522 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:46,060 and access of boardwalks over the wetlands portion and boardwalks trails that will allow 523 00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:57,320 to walk through and experience the site and also interpretive signage that will explain the significance 524 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:04,200 of the site, the visitors, and improve historic and educational and other aspects. 525 00:54:07,810 --> 00:54:12,270 The purpose of this, as you'll see in the letter and in the preservation plan, 526 00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:18,530 those treatment actions require the approval, the permits, the approval, 527 00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:27,430 in the cooperation of the town for several of those items, removing and removing weeds 528 00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:34,950 and invasive species, instructing the boardwalk over designated wetlands in the like. 529 00:54:36,510 --> 00:54:46,670 So when they reached out to us, obviously, this is not a, this is a locally historic 530 00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:54,670 designated historic property, if the Center Green Association is to go forward with this my 531 00:54:55,750 --> 00:55:01,270 expectation they would have to apply for a certificate of appropriateness for these changes as well, 532 00:55:03,090 --> 00:55:08,570 but as an initial step they're going to have to get a property owner which is the town 533 00:55:09,590 --> 00:55:15,270 to agree and they're going to have to get various departments of the town to approve of this work 534 00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:17,470 in addition to the Historic District Commission. 535 00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:21,610 So these retreatment actions that our commission 536 00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:26,050 previously recommended and voted on and approved. 537 00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:29,570 And so this letter simply expresses 538 00:55:29,570 --> 00:55:31,290 to the appropriate departments 539 00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:34,650 that this is something that the HTC would like to see. 540 00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:37,910 We're supportive of this project. 541 00:55:39,110 --> 00:55:42,890 And then we'd like to offer persistence 542 00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:52,260 they require, they've seen the draft letter, I also received some additional comments which 543 00:55:52,260 --> 00:55:54,260 I'm going to read into the record now, 544 00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:07,200 okay, so one comment was, 545 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,710 they are concerned 546 00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:22,250 about the environmental aspect of the placement of the boardwalks as opposed to 547 00:56:25,930 --> 00:56:26,590 the, as opposed 548 00:56:26,590 --> 00:56:32,830 of the trails, so they, because of the environmental sensitivity, so they do not want to go 549 00:56:32,830 --> 00:56:34,450 forward with the boardwalk, 550 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,700 and they want to put up markers and signage in a way that 551 00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:41,620 sensitive to the wetlands and the environment. 552 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,480 Their purpose would be to highlight this 553 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,960 significant to the site as part of the cultural and historic heritage. 554 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:54,390 It will include the 555 00:56:54,390 --> 00:57:03,840 significant as a site in the commemorations of the 250th anniversary of the country, their 556 00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:07,050 view 557 00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:10,970 that the Greens Farms Association has supported all these plans. 558 00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:14,990 I'm sorry to interrupt you. I have to jump off. 559 00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:15,730 Yeah, please. 560 00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:16,290 I apologize. 561 00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:17,850 No, thank you, every time. 562 00:57:17,850 --> 00:57:19,550 Thanks, Elena. Thanks for taking this. 563 00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:20,170 Thank you. 564 00:57:20,910 --> 00:57:21,270 Good night. 565 00:57:22,930 --> 00:57:26,970 The Jennings Trail Committee also supported the plans. I believe I had that in the letter, 566 00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:29,870 other comment. 567 00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:36,530 They have 568 00:57:42,610 --> 00:57:45,250 DFA. Is supportive of this? I 569 00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:55,700 believe is the some and substance of their comments. 570 00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:06,320 So, I think the appropriate thing to be would probably be to vote on this letter with those changes. 571 00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:13,340 I mean, maybe I'll just revise it and have it on next month and we can just have a very quick. 572 00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:17,220 We'll have our discussion tonight, and then we can have a very quick vote next month, 573 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,320 when I incorporate the changes that we've just discussed. 574 00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:27,460 But for the purpose of discussion tonight, it would be a letter that is drafted. 575 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,280 It's in the materials with these comments that I've just read into the record. 576 00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:40,160 So with that said, does anyone from the Commission have any sort of comments on the letter to the 577 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,260 and its departments concerning the treatment actions at the West Paracite. 578 00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:53,940 Hearing nothing, does there any members of the public? 579 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,960 Any comments on this draft letter? 580 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:06,540 The comments that we received on the letter for the treatment actions of the West Paracite? 581 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:10,440 Okay. 582 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,820 I don't think a motion is really necessary, 583 00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:21,120 down, because we just did review and comment on the letters. Is that fair to say? 584 00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:26,300 Yeah, especially if you're going to redo it again for next month. So this was discussion held. 585 00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:29,220 Okay. The discussion was held. 586 00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:37,170 And the government's update inquiry, 587 00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:46,500 a lot of the high notes we received some additional 588 00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:50,460 increase about the ozoneing relief 589 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:59,980 from some homeowners and we will, we have received an app. 590 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:15,900 Locations, we provided some guidance to them that. So, there may be more to come in the next couple of months on those two items. 591 01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:26,120 We, those two homeowners that have contacted us. Is there anything else I'm missing down there? 592 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,200 No, thank you for a successful preservation awards night last week. 593 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:39,580 Yes. Thank you for everyone who attended and everyone who put in all the work to make it happen. 594 01:00:40,060 --> 01:00:47,420 I haven't put the board up in the hallway yet because I've been doing redoing the ceiling tiles and the basement floor and it's making a mess. 595 01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:49,200 We don't want that. 596 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,200 Nope, so I'll get them up though. 597 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,720 I'm going to, uh, 598 01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:04,080 yeah, I have to get back to, uh, we'll go ask this, how, how a member 599 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:10,280 of the public can nominate a home. The answer is email Donna, right? Um, so if anyone asks, 600 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,080 but do you nominate this to our home between now and next year's words? Remember the public, 601 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:21,920 that's how you do it. Email our administrator, Mr. Ono Douglas. Um, and, you know, 602 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:33,460 keep your eye out for possible candidates for next year. Hopefully we will get people, you know, 603 01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:40,620 my goal is to get some of the awardees to get local historic designation for their properties. 604 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,740 So that's something that we can accomplish over the coming year. 605 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:54,880 Use it as an entrée to kind of get some of these homes, whether it's 606 01:01:54,880 --> 01:02:09,780 group designation, so that we can prevent, you know, right now they're owned by people who care and are spending lots of money to save them, but that's never a guarantee as we have seen from night and other nights. 607 01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:12,480 That will be an ongoing project 608 01:02:14,810 --> 01:02:19,230 with that. I think we can turn to our next item. 609 01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:23,490 I think, number 12, to adjourn the meeting. 610 01:02:25,180 --> 01:02:28,020 I'm going to adjourn the meeting at 611 01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:29,160 8.05. 612 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,180 Yes. 613 01:02:30,940 --> 01:02:31,560 Okay. 614 01:02:34,970 --> 01:02:35,510 Thanks, O. 615 01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:37,350 Seconds. 616 01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:37,950 Yep. 617 01:02:38,410 --> 01:02:39,070 Thank you. 618 01:02:39,110 --> 01:02:39,630 All right. 619 01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:40,710 All those in favor. 620 01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:43,790 All right. 621 01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:44,890 All right. 622 01:02:44,890 --> 01:02:45,510 Thanks everyone. 623 01:02:46,550 --> 01:02:47,770 Thank you all. 624 01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:48,330 Thank you. 625 01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:49,530 Have a great night everybody. 626 01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:50,970 You deserve it.