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Are we a go?

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» Mr. Mayor, we have
>> Thank you. Uh, public hearing goes

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first, am I correct?

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» [clears throat]
>> Okay.

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Welcome everyone. Welcome to the regular
council meeting of August the 11th.

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Today we have a public hearing
of bylaw 211

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Sorry, go ahead.
>> Uh, sorry, Mr. Mayor, we need to do the

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adoption of the agenda and approval of
first.

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» Okay.
Yes, I didn't know whether to do that,

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so okay.
Thank you very much for that, Sue.

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Can I have adoption of the agenda or any
changes to or addition?

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Sue?
>> Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Uh if it's possible, if we could
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change the numbering for um bylaws to
present bylaw or item 7.2

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and then present 7.1. Would be
appreciated.

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» Okay, hold on a minute. 7.1 first?
>> Uh 7.2 first, Mr. Mayor.

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» Okay, thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Okay.
Okay.

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Councilor Neilson.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to

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[clears throat]
add under new business um

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business cases.
>> Okay.

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» Thank you.

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» Councilor
Elder.

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» I'd like to add something to close
session, just one item as well, please.

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» Thank you.

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Councilor Billingsley.
>> Thank you. Um I'd like to add uh two

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items. One under close session under
section 20

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and then under new business
uh per diems.

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» Thank you.
And I will also like to add under new

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business uh
just some information or update on the

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Starbucks uh
bins, garbage bins.

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Okay.
All of those in favor of the agenda as

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presented.

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All those in favor?

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Need a motion. Yes, all of those in
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» You got to make make the motion, Joe.
>> Mayor Brecko, I move that we accept the

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agenda as amended.
>> Thank you.

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All those in favor?
Harry, thank you.

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Now, we will move into public hearing.
Am I correct, Sue?

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» No, approval of minutes.
>> Approval of the minutes and then the

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public hearing.
>> Thank you. Sorry again. I got

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Can I have approval of the minutes for
July the 28th?

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Councillor Neilson.

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» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the council
adopts the regular council meeting

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minutes of July 28th, 2026 as presented.
>> Thank you.

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Can I have 3.2 for the whole
No, maybe we should vote.

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Oh, that's all it is.
>> please.

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» Committee of the whole, can I have a
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whole?
>> No, I have a motion on the floor for

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adopting the regular council meeting
minutes.

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» Okay.
Thank you. All those in favor?

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Harry, [clears throat] thank you.
>> Mr. Mayor, I would now like to move the

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council adopts the committee of the
whole minutes for for July 28th, 2026 as

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presented.
>> Thank you, sir. Any questions or any

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not? All those in favor?
Harry, thank you.

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So, we will move on to
4.1, a public hearing

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for bylaw 2112-26
to amend

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the municipal development plan
2113-26

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to adopt the Evergreen aerial structure
plan.

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I declare the public hearing for bylaw
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12-26
and 2113-26

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at 4:05.

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Purpose of the bylaw?
I will ask planning and development to

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explain the purpose of the hearing.
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this hearing is to receive public input
on bylaws 2112-26

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to amend the Municipal Development Plan
and 2113-26

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to adopt the Evergreen Area Structure
Plan.

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» Thank you. Has the notice of the hearing
been provided in accordance with the

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applicable
legislation bylaws of the city of

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Wetaskiwin?
>> Yes, the public hearing was advertised

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on whatifwetaskiwin.ca as of July 30th,
2026 as per the requirement from the

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Municipal Government Act section 606 and
the city's advertising bylaw 1976-20.

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In addition, it was advertised in the
Pipestone Flyer on July 30th and August

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6th, 2026.
>> Thank you.

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I will now request that planning and
development provide their report

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regarding this matter.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Administration is recommending the
council approve bylaw 2112-26

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amending the Municipal Development Plan
and bylaw 2113-26

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to adopt the Evergreen Area Structure
Plan.

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These bylaws are being considered
jointly in a public hearing as they have

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corresponding content and are jointly
required to bring the Evergreen Area

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Structure Plan into effect.
>> Thank you. Have we received any written

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submissions?
>> Administration received one written

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submission. This is included in the
agenda package provided to council and

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the public uh in which the Battle River
Watershed Watershed Alliance expresses

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considerations regarding the protection
of wetlands in the Evergreen ASP area.

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» Thank you.
I will now call upon anyone who wishes

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to speak directly to council on this
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Not?
First, we will call upon those who

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registered prior to the meeting and then
anyone who else wishes to speak

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may have an opportunity.

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Please note that all speakers will be
given no more than 5 minutes to speak.

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Is there anybody willing to speak?

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There are no formal registration to
speak. Is there anyone present wishing

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to speak to this matter?

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Is there anyone present wishing to speak
to this matter?

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Is there anyone present wishing to speak
to this matter?

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» One second, Joe.
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Apologies, Mr. Mayor. It appears the
submission from Battle River Watershed

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Alliance was not provided in writing to
council, and so I will read it into the

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record.
>> Thank you.

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» Uh entitled Watershed Considerations for
the Evergreen Special Study Area

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Statutory Plan.
Battle River Watershed Alliance, as the

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provincially designated watershed
planning and advisory council for the

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Battle River and Sounding Creek
watersheds in Alberta,

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appreciates the opportunity to engage
with the City of Wetaskiwin and provide

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input on the Evergreen Area Structure
Plan, the plan.

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We provided initial feedback through the
Special Study Area Survey in February

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2026 and would like to follow up on a
few key recommendations as they pertain

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to the final draft of the plan.
As outlined under the environmental

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stewardship and open space integration
section on page 10 of the plan,

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environmental preservation was
identified as a paramount priority

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across all stakeholder groups.
Participants explicitly called for the

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protection of existing wetlands, mature
tree stands, and natural drainage

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patterns.
Related to the protection of existing

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wetlands, BRWA would like to reiterate
our recommendation to protect the

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wetland in the southeast corner of the
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As identified in the image on
in the submission and described in

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greater detail as part of the Marsh 2
wetland complex on page 24 of the city

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of Wetaskiwin special study area
biophysical impact assessment.

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Currently, the plan proposes a new
collector road at 47th Avenue that would

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curve to connect with West Street
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As identified in figure six of the plan
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study area structure plan transportation
impact assessment,

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this road would pass directly through
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As identified in the biophysical impact
assessment, historical imagery has shown

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this to be a persistent wetland complex.
In order to more fully protect this

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wetland, the collector road could curve
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or be located further north from 48th
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In addition, park space two could be
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and protect the extent of this wetland.
See figure eight on page 29 of the plan.

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Note open space area one and two
descriptions on page 17 of the plan are

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not aligned with the park space numbers
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Another wetland area and park space that
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Fen 1 and park space six.
As described on page 24 of the

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biophysical Impact Assessment.
Historical imagery repeatedly shows

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modeled wet areas and ponding within
this portion of the site, supporting the

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interpretation that wet conditions have
persisted in this area over time.

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The mapped connection between Fen 1 and
Marsh 2 suggests hydrologic interaction

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between these wetland units,
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spring runoff.
Given the above, protecting the fen area

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identified in the yellow box in the
below image in the submission, could

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support hydrologic and ecological
connectivity in the study area.

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Currently, Park Space 6 is located south
of 49th Avenue and does not coincide

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with this wetland area.
The park space could be expanded or

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moved to the north to provide meaningful
protection of this wetland, as well as

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enhanced connectivity between park
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2.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide

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feedback on the draft plan. We would
welcome any follow-up questions or

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further discussion about these concerns
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» I would like to thank everyone for their
presentation of this hearing.

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» [clears throat]
>> Council will discuss and debate this

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matter later in this meeting. I declare
the public hearing for bylaw 211

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3
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closed
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Thank you all.
We will move on to

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business arising Oh, public hearing.
We're sorry we got that.

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Business arising of the minutes.

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Staff report for decision.

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Six 6.1, please.

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» Is it on? Okay.

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The budget accountability policy CO-012.
The purpose of this report is to obtain

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council's approval on the budget
accountability policy, which was

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initially presented at the Committee of
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At the meeting, council requested a few
changes in which include the following:

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a change to the policy statement,
a removal of the definition of

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management,
a requirement for operating budget

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approval to include council's up-
operating budget amendment to include

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council's approval, as well as that of
budget reallocations. These changes have

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now been incorporated into the policy
that is hereby presented to council for

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approval today. Thank you.

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» Councillor Hoy, Councillor White.

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» I move that council approve the budget
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or CO-012
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And I'd like to
start by through the chair to

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administration,
I appreciate the

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time and effort that's been taken to
get council's feedback and input in

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these finance policies. I recognize we
have a a number of them today that have

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uh taken
work and you have

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uh diligently
implemented or tried to accom-

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incorporate the feedback that was
received from council.

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I appreciate that and I will
be supporting the motion I just made.

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» Okay, any further questions?

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If not, can I have a vote
on the motion, please? All of those in

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favor?

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Carried. Thank you.

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Item 6.2.

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» The next policy is the procurement or
purchasing policy CO-016.

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This policy was also presented to
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Committee of the Whole meeting.
Um council provided its input into the

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policy and that has since been updated
in the final document that's hereby

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presented for approval.

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» Have a motion, please.
>> Councillor Neilson.

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I move the council gives approval.
Sorry, I move the council approve the

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procurement purchasing policy CO-016
as presented and I do not have any

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questions but will be supporting this
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» Thank you.
Any further questions from my

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colleagues?
If not, I'll have a motion to accept

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this. All those in favor?
Barry, thank you.

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We will move on to 7.2.

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» 6.3.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

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6.3, I missed one.
>> Item 6.3.

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» It's on the back.
Go ahead. It's on the back page, I'm

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sorry.

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Go ahead.
>> The long-term debt policy CO-064.

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The long the long-term debt policy was
presented um to council for the its

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input at the July 28th, 2026 meeting.
This is a brand new policy that

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discusses our debt limit and um how debt
is to be handled in the municipality. Um

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the total outstanding debt as of June
30th, 2026 was 8.8 million and details

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of repayment has been included in
council's agenda and was also discussed

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at the previous meeting.

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Thank you.
>> Councilor [clears throat] White.

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Councilor White, can I have a motion?

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» Sorry, I my mic wasn't on. I apologize,
Mayor Brinkle. I move that council

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approve the long-term debt policy CO-064
as presented.

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» Thank you.
All of those in favor?

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Carried, thank you.
We'll move on to 6.4

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Chambers upgrade.

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Sorry.

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» Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. For
the record, my name is Chris Bond,

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Manager of Fleet and Facilities.
Today, I am seeking council's

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consideration and direction on the
preferred layout for council chamber

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upgrade project and furniture options.
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pardon me, at the June 23rd
regular council meeting, council

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directed administration to develop
additional layout options that keep all

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council members seated together on the
same level

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while maintaining the historic character
of council chambers.

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At that time, council also requested an
option that utilizes the existing

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furniture.
In response, administration has

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developed two
additional layouts, option F and G, that

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are located within your agenda package.
Both options seat all council on the

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same level together within a gallery
configuration.

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These provide the direct sight lines
between council, administration, and the

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public all while retaining the historic
judges bench in order to preserve the

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historical character of the room.
The two layouts differ primarily in the

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orientation of council within the room.
Layout F relocates council to the south

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side of the chambers
while layout G positions council along

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the east and south wall providing
improved separation between council,

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administration, and public to best
support the recommendations identified

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within council chamber security review.
Upon evaluation of both options,

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administration is recommending layout G
as it provides the best balance of

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functionality,
heritage preservation, security, and

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sightlines for council, administration,
and the general public.

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Today's decision will provide
administration with the direction we

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require on the preferred layout and
furniture options.

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This will then allow administration to
complete a finalized design budget or

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detailed design, capture the full
project costing, submit the final design

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for provincial heritage approval,
and then return to council if additional

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funding is required.
This concludes my presentation and then

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I'm happy to answer any questions
council may have.

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» Can I have a motion, please? Councillor
Billingsley.

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» Microphone on, please. Sorry. I move
that council directs administration to

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proceed with council chambers layout

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G
and retrofit council desks option.

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And I will speak to that.
>> Go ahead.

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» I'm a little torn between F and G.
Um I personally like the look of F

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better, but I understand the security
concerns that these when the security

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audit was done of why administration is
recommending

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G.
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it's my understanding that um, a new
desk would be required for council to

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sit at.
Um, but it's also my understanding that

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um,
it can be done in-house.

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Um, to be able to
not have a large expense to be able to

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do this. So, for that reason, I will
support G.

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But, if somebody wants to convince uh,
convince me that F is better, that's

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fine, too.

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» Councillor White.
>> I'm not sure I can convince my fellow

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councillor, but I do have a question for
administration. So, thank you, Mayor

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Branco, through the chair to
our administration.

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In the layout variation F,
would the same it the drawing looks like

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the same table for council as in drawing
G. So, is there any

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reason that
variation G is

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of lower less expense?
>> Uh, through the chair to the question

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uh,
to the council's question. Um,

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what we've proposed is the the layout
options with either

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um, layout F or G. And then, a
supplemental question uh, for council to

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uh, provide direction on whether we were
to retrofit existing furniture as best

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we can or purchase new. So, that would
be with either option uh, for the

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retrofit.

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» Can you say that last bit one more time?
I need just need to absorb it. I

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apologize for not catching it all.
>> Not a problem.

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Within either option F and G, what we
proposed is a gullwing design for the

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counselor desks.
What we're seeking is a decision from

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counselor within either option
to whether to try and retrofit the

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existing furniture that we have which
would pertain to both layout options

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or to procure new furnishings for the
chambers.

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» So that
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the layout is a choice and then the
furniture either new or retrofit is a

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choice. Two separate choices to make.
>> That would be correct.

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» Thank you.
If we're just laying on design, I I

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don't think I can support my fellow
counselors

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um
motion for G because I really like F

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better.

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» Counselor Hoy.
>> Um

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Thank you, Chris. To uh through the
chair to administration. So you speak of

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a security audit.
And I believe that was probably before

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this council's time. And so
what

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what was
said in that audit that suggests

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G would be better for security.
>> Uh through the chair to the question. Um

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I would rather take that uh in camera or
take it as a formal information request

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and to uh discuss what was in the the
the security review for for the chambers

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in open forum.
>> Thank you.

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» Counselor Neilson.
>> Do you want to go in?

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» I move that we go into closed session.

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» All of those in favor?

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» Mhm.

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» Mhm.

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» Okay, we on?

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» We are live, Mr. Mayor.
>> Thank you. Can I have a motion to come

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out of camera, please?
Councilor White.

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» I move we come out of camera.
>> All those in favor?

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Very thank you. Continue on, please.
Any further questions

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to Chris?

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Chris, I have a question.
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cost for just
upgrading

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electronics, I call electronics all the
upgrades to the new

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cameras or
IT equipment.

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Do you know the cost of that?

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Microphone, please.

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» Sorry. Through the chair to the chair,
the current budget that we have that has

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been previously approved is
99,000 for information technology

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replacement. Uh
to bear in mind, that does not include

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uh the infrastructure upgrades. That's
part of the facilities budget that

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that we take on through the 96,000 that
is earmarked for facilities.

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» So, 90 let's say 99,000.
Roughly 100.

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Rough estimate on moving any kind of
furniture around there. So, what is the

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total budget we allowed for this
upgrade, including

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I know you can't answer that cuz we
don't know what we're doing, but but

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what is our budget that we allowed for
this upgrade?

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» Uh through the chair to the chair, uh
the overarching budget uh for both

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portions that has been previously
approved is $195,000.

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» Thank you very much.
Any further questions from my

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colleagues?

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Councillor White.
>> Thank you, Mayor Branco. Through the

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chair to administration, please confirm
that I understand correctly.

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Um
variation E

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is no changes to furniture
and would be only

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the technology upgrades that have been
proposed.

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» Uh through the chair to the question, um
that would be correct. There would be uh

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infrastructure upgrades that we would
have to undertake as well.

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Um but it it remains pretty much status
quo with the addition of the original

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bar
uh that was in the courthouse at the at

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the time.
>> Thank you. With that, I think is what

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I'm most likely to favor, so I probably
will

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I anticipate not supporting
um

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Councilor Billingsley's
uh move.

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» I have a question. Uh Chris,
when we say IT, does that mean we we're

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getting new
um

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computers in front of us?
Larger one? Is there any lights or

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something that we push a button we want
to speak or

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or we just keep the same apparatus what
we have on top of our desk?

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» Uh through the chair to the chair, I am
going to defer to my uh colleague in IT

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who will be able to answer to that
question for you a little bit better

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than I will.
>> Thank you.

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» Yes, Mayor. Uh the equipment that's
planned to be replaced is the

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microphones, the um screens in front of
you,

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and the TVs up on the wall, and the
speakers sound system.

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Plus as Chris alluded to, also to
support all that is the infrastructure

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wiring cabling to make it uh full or
long-term cabling instead of over the

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floor.

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» Thank you.
Councilor Billingsley.

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» Thank you. Through the chair
to council, I guess. Um if G is not

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approved or any others and we go with
status quo,

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um the 90
9,000, 96,000, whatever the dollar

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amount was for the IT portion, um
there still will be capital costs as far

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as
um we will be dipping into the other

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$100,000 for some work that has to be
done within council chambers, no matter

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what. Is that correct?
>> Through the chair to the the question,

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that would be a correct statement.
What administration is looking for is

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direction from council from two areas on
the layout and whether we are going to

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re-man and reuse the furniture that we
have.

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At that time, once we once we have
determined the the layout, then we will

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be able to put together a more accurate
picture of what those costs are going to

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be.
>> So, I'll follow up with that. So,

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to council, if if it because
you don't want to go with variation

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F or G is because it costs more for the
renovation.

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There still will be costs involved
whether we keep the look of it being the

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same. And I think that that has to be
understood, right? That we still

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will have other expenses other than the
IT portion of that.

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Make that very clear.

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» Question. So, status quo, my my
understanding would be everything stays

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the same the way it is.
Other than if we have a few bugs on our

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TV or our microphones, but

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it's hard to approve something we don't
know what actually the cost is.

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Are we upgrading one, two, three TVs?
Are we spending 40,000, 50,000?

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My my understanding, maybe correct me if
I'm wrong,

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the status quo would be leave it the way
it is.

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Is that correct or

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Yes, sir.
>> Thank you. Um

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through the chair to council,
status quo would be for the furniture,

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the technology upgrade still needs to
happen. So, that is within approved

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budget.
There's a There's a lot of clunkiness

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and and I know
uh we've run into this before. We've had

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to stop council because we've lost live
feed or we've lost the ability to

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connect the different systems. We've got
way too many systems that are running to

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try and make this work efficiently.
Um and we're at risk almost every

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meeting of
uh of not being able to connect

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properly.
>> So,

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if I may,
status quo plus $99,000 for IT

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is what we have budget.

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Councilor Billingsley.
>> Through to the mayor, no. And that was

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the point I was trying to make. No
matter what, if we decide to upgrade IT,

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there will be other expenses even if we
leave this setup the same as it is

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today.

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Does that
make sense to you?

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» No.
No, that That's confusing. If we're

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upgrading IT, we have a budget of
$99,000.

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$999 or $900. I'm sorry.
$100,000. Let's forget $100,000. So,

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that would covers all IT
and everything else to bring in IT. What

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is the other cost for furniture?

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» Through the chair to the chair, those
additional costs would be borne under

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the 96,000 that has been uh previously
approved uh for those infrastructure

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upgrades to support the new IT hardware
uh that that would be required to

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sustain council meetings moving forward.
>> Thank you.

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Erin Abernethy.
>> Thank you, Joe Branco. And I'm I'm just

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having fun with you today. Thank you,
Mayor Branco. Through the chair to

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council.
Um

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I would really like to divide this
question into two questions.

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So,
we're not getting confused into where

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the numbers are aren't. Um

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is I am not in favor of any changes to

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the room.
Uh

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other than maybe some cosmetic, but I am
totally in favor of being more

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accessible to the community by having an
upgraded um

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Sorry.
I these stuff

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sound system and and do all of that. And
so,

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my
position right now is to just vote no

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for everything.

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Like both of these questions. And I I
wonder if

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that is also a challenge.

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» Councillor White.
>> Thank you, Mayor Branco.

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If the motion that's on the table for
variation G is defeated,

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I am prepared to make a motion for
variation E, which is no change in

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furniture.
The upgrades to technology have already

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been approved, so that's um
not the question on the table, I

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believe.

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That's where I'll be.
>> Councillor Billingsley.

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» Thank you.
I'll put in one last

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for a variation G. If the
we are going to have capital expense

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whether we go with EF or G.
And I think, in my opinion, that G is a

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more efficient way for us to communicate
with each other and be able to have

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um conversation much better than
than what we have currently.

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So, either way, whether it's EF or G, we
are going to have expenses

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um outside of IT.

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» Councilor Neilson.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Chris,

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I'm wondering if you could

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help me understand
when you say other

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structural changes to accommodate IT.
We at one point talked about

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floor channels for for wiring, we talked
about a new carpet.

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From from
off the top of your head, what is that

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$100,000 going to buy us
outside of the

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00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,240
$100,000 we set aside for technology?

455
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:12,520
» Uh through the chair to the question. Um
so, uh two points with that. Uh within

456
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:17,520
that those infrastructure upgrades to
run those new data lines, uh get those

457
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:21,720
buried within floor,
uh for the electrical that would be

458
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,320
required so that we don't have extension
cords

459
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:30,000
uh running over uh council chambers,
providing a tripping hazard. Both of

460
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:34,680
those two items uh we're targeting at
$58,000 to to complete that work, to be

461
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:41,280
able to pull the floor up,
uh run those conduits, channels, uh new

462
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:47,360
circuits uh for the electrical portion,
and a lot of data lines coming back to

463
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:53,840
each individual workstation. So, just
that portion of the infrastructure

464
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:58,920
alone, we've budgeted $58,000
for just that portion. Now, to keep in

465
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:05,520
mind those incremental costs from a
design perspective, they will increase

466
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:10,320
the however we we do the layout, but we
are still going to get hit with a good

467
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:15,280
portion of that $58,000
regardless of whether we stay status

468
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:19,920
quo, we go with whatever option that
council desires moving forward.

469
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,080
So, that is just one thing to to keep in
mind is that we will still get hit with

470
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:30,080
a base charge for those. The incremental
cost for moving 10 ft,

471
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:34,520
we'd have to start capturing those costs
once we have a defined definitive

472
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:38,360
layout, uh but we still will get hit
with a portion of those costs.

473
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:41,240
» Thank you. And the status of the floor
covering, where does that fit into all

474
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,400
of these numbers?
>> Uh the floor covering uh pardon me, uh

475
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,640
through the chair to the question. Uh
the floor covering uh that is a

476
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:55,920
completely uh separate capital charter
that is funded to I believe

477
00:54:52,440 --> 00:55:01,640
top of mind 14,000 that we do have uh
funding for. So, that that isn't

478
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:05,960
included within this project scope per
se. Um it is another line item that was

479
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:11,440
previously approved by council.
>> Thank you. In relation to the

480
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:16,320
uh variation or
scale number E, you indicated the

481
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:21,400
reinstallation of the fence. So, I'm
assuming the fence is intact. It's a

482
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:25,840
matter of just nailing it to the floor.
Not really, but

483
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:31,040
» Uh through the chair to the question.
Um

484
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:36,720
in a roundabout way, yes,
that would be correct. It It is not the

485
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:42,360
fabrication of a new um uh bar per se.
We We do have the original bar uh from

486
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:47,840
when it was a courthouse. Uh the the
idea would be to just reinstall it in in

487
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,680
the space if that is the way that we are
going

488
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:55,720
» Thank you. And if we go to variation G,
where we have two lines on on my picture

489
00:55:54,600 --> 00:56:00,160
here
um delineating between the public and

490
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,440
council and administration, there
appears to be another fence type

491
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,800
structure there.
Um

492
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:11,280
I'm assuming that would then need to be
fabricated from scratch.

493
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,640
» Through the chair to the question. Uh
that's one of the things that we'd have

494
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:19,120
to take as a takeaway for the final
design.

495
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:23,440
Uh the intent would be to uh utilize a
portion of the existing bar that we

496
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:27,680
have, but I would anticipate with that
design that we would have to custom

497
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:32,560
fabricate cate
pardon me custom fabricate a few bits

498
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:36,720
and pieces
um to augment uh what we don't have.

499
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,480
» And my last question, and Chris, thank
you for indulging me, is uh

500
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:57,520
I I I sort of asked this question before
we were redirected out here. Um

501
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,640
If we maintain
the structure we currently have right

502
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:07,040
now,
we tear up the floor, put the new

503
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,960
runways in, blah blah blah blah, all of
that,

504
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:16,280
then
down the road, if there is an intent

505
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:21,480
to add furniture when we become
really rich

506
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:26,440
as a community, um we could
build new,

507
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:30,800
but would have to maintain the same
design

508
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:35,520
as we're sitting at now because of the
underfloor

509
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:39,640
cabling channels.
>> Uh through the chair to the question,

510
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:44,960
um
that would mean remain true with any

511
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:50,160
option that that council would consider
and and direct administration. Uh

512
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:53,640
whether it be option G,
there's there's always, let's say, a

513
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:57,840
little little bit of room for wiggle
room, uh but I think that's that's where

514
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:01,640
council needs to make that decision on
on long-term of what they

515
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:06,605
what they envision and see for the
layout of of council chambers. I think

516
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,360
» what I was leading up to is that
>> [clears throat]

517
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,920
» while this particular seating
arrangement and

518
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:16,280
structure
is what it is today,

519
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:21,640
it could be
3 years from now new,

520
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:25,960
newly fabricated, but it still take this
form. So, we don't have to necessarily

521
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:29,800
buy new furniture today, we could buy
new furniture

522
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,680
next week, next year, next whenever.
Okay.

523
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:36,880
» Uh through the chair to the question,
yes, that would be a uh a correct

524
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:41,160
statement and then that would hold true
for any of the layout options as well.

525
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,160
Thank you.

526
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:49,120
» Uh
question, Chris. Hypothetical question.

527
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,400
IT,
let's say we wanted new computers and

528
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,920
laptops,
can we not run electrical cords or wire

529
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,520
or whatever above the carpet as we have
right now?

530
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,560
It just
I know we you say we got electrical

531
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:15,240
wire, but where it's operating now,
so if you have new wiring and still have

532
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,240
the same status without ripping

533
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,800
the floor up?
>> Through the chair to uh

534
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:27,280
to the chair, um
i- if that's council's desire to stay

535
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:32,960
status quo with the uh
with the

536
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:38,520
uh current technology and current layout
um then that that is uh council's

537
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:44,520
desire. What administration has it is
proposing is updating that

538
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:49,240
uh sorely needed IT hardware that we do
see ongoing issues with

539
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:53,200
and provide those infrastructure
upgrades to

540
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:58,200
to prepare us for
um

541
00:59:54,680 --> 01:00:02,520
better today and and and and better in
the future.

542
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:06,120
Thank you.
>> Councilor Elder.

543
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,560
» Mr. Uh one whoops. I'm not sure that's
on.

544
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Sorry, but [clears throat] just one
quick question with F or G, do we lose

545
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:18,680
one bench in here like for seating?
We've got 1 2 3 4 5 6 benches and

546
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:23,560
currently I only see four in the
diagram.

547
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:28,840
» Uh through the chair to the uh question
that that is correct. Uh we'd have to

548
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:33,560
take any design uh that
uh council would like us to move forward

549
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:38,280
with and we would need to finalize
uh exactly

550
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,280
what we have.

551
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:59,280
» So I guess Council Billings, you have a
motion on the table for

552
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,480
» I do.
>> Okay.

553
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:05,000
Could you please read it so we can vote
on it?

554
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,200
» I move that uh
I move that city council directs

555
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:13,880
administration to proceed
uh with council chamber layout

556
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:19,240
uh
G

557
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:21,760
and retrofit council desk option.
>> Thank you.

558
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,320
All of those in favor?

559
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,680
Opposed?

560
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,520
Defeated.

561
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,600
Councillor White.

562
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:45,160
» I move the council directs
administration to proceed with council

563
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,160
chamber layout option E.

564
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,640
» Thank you.

565
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:58,160
Can I have a vote on
>> Excuse me, Mr. Mayor.

566
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:01,080
» Yes, sir.
>> You're talking about just You're talking

567
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,720
about just the layout at this point?
>> Councillor White?

568
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,840
» Yep.
>> So So nothing to do with furniture per

569
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:12,840
se?
>> Option E does not include any retrofit

570
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,840
or need to change. It's Keep it as is.

571
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:22,440
» Councillor Billingsley.
>> Thank you. Um

572
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:31,680
through the chair to
Councillor White. So are you talking

573
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:37,120
about leaving everything the same and
just adding new tech and not channeling,

574
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:43,360
or are you looking to spend the
I think uh Chris said about 60 50 60

575
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,160
thousand dollars for upgrading
channeling.

576
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,600
» Through the chair to Councillor
Billingsley, my understanding is that

577
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,640
the
IT

578
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:55,463
uh upgrade has already been approved and
there's already been money set for that

579
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,240
for both
>> [clears throat]

580
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:03,160
» the IT and for whatever it needs to be
done in in the facility to accommodate

581
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:10,640
that.
And my motion is for

582
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:14,400
variation E as it's drawn and presented
before us.

583
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,400
» Thank you.

584
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:21,800
» I think Councillor Aberly had her hand
up and then Councillor Nealson.

585
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:26,200
» Yes, thank you, sir. I believe that
the last question was the same as my

586
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:30,320
question, so I think it was answered.
>> Thank you. Councillor Nealson.

587
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:38,720
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
I'm wondering if my colleague would

588
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:45,960
accept a friendly amendment
to as part of the proposal for them to

589
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,960
come back with a costing

590
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,200
Hmm.

591
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,440
I'm going to back up.

592
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,120
I'm assuming you're making an
um

593
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,280
I'm assuming
that you're assuming

594
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:08,560
» Well, at no danger there.
>> Yeah, yeah, right.

595
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:12,680
That
the only cost that would be incurred

596
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,960
with this is the money that's already
been committed.

597
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:27,000
Would you
accept a friendly amendment as part of

598
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:34,520
that motion
to also at the same time

599
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,520
get a quote on

600
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:41,520
new furniture, new desks, whatever.
>> Nope, that's not friendly to me.

601
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,240
» Thank you.
>> I want to leave it as is.

602
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:49,000
» Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make amendment to
the motion that's on the floor.

603
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:52,800
» Go ahead.
>> I would like to

604
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:57,480
get a cost estimate of what it would
include

605
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,400
on variation E
for new

606
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,240
refabricated, whatever the terminology
would be,

607
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:11,400
um
working stations for council.

608
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:14,240
» So, if correct me if if wrong, but
so we're going to vote on your

609
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:20,875
amendment. Correct?
>> That is correct. All I'm asking for is a

610
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,895
I I believe I can support
>> [clears throat]

611
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,360
» I thought you were correcting me.

612
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:34,160
My other colleagues could not have been
so cautious about doing that. Um

613
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,760
I would just like to get a cost estimate
as to what is what would it cost if we

614
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:45,560
replace
this existing working stations for

615
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,560
council.

616
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:54,280
» Councilor Billingsley and then Councilor
White.

617
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:58,480
» Through the chair to Councilor Councilor
Neilson.

618
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:03,080
Why?
And and and the reason I say that is

619
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:07,520
part of the reason was to keep the
ambiance of the original courthouse and

620
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,880
now you're looking for something
new.

621
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:13,320
Why?
>> Well, if you want me to get really

622
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:16,840
serious, then I would say not something
new from this perspective of new. I

623
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:20,280
would say something new that would
incorporate paneling that would look

624
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:25,400
similar to what's already in the
building. Not new

625
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:28,640
IKEA white glossy
something that adds to

626
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:33,080
to the
historical

627
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,080
ambiance.

628
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:41,440
» Councilor White.
>> I believe this amendment is

629
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:45,960
uh better suited as a request for
information and not an amendment to my

630
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,960
motion.

631
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:59,200
» Councilor Aberley.
>> Thank you, sir. Through the chair to

632
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:04,360
council, um I will agree with Councilor
White. And

633
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,720
here's where we sit, and I don't think I
need to say it, but I'm going to say it

634
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:13,120
for anybody that hasn't met me.
I love the idea of the paneling. There

635
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:18,080
are two desks, maybe three desks here
that have the paneling and Councillor

636
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:25,000
Billingsley and I sit at the kids table.
Kids tables that have are the reason for

637
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:31,520
this curtaining. So, I would be open to
Councillor Nielsen's request,

638
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:37,760
but separate from this vote.
In that, I want to figure the plan and

639
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:41,080
then we'll talk about money for
furniture second.

640
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:52,120
» My concern is that the the motion on the
floor

641
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:57,600
is saying
leave everything as is with the

642
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,600
exception of the technology.

643
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:05,360
And if that motion passes,
a second motion to consider furniture

644
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:10,960
is counter to the motion that would have
just been approved.

645
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,760
» Uh
Mayor Bronco, may I just because it's

646
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:22,480
directly to that?
>> Go ahead.

647
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:27,080
» I see the first motion as a what does
the

648
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:31,200
layout look like?
And so, we agree on a layout and then

649
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:37,359
and I'm not saying we talked about this
13 weeks from now. I'm saying following

650
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:44,160
that we then discuss do we want new
furniture to fit within the agreed upon

651
01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:44,160
layout?

652
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,440
» So, my question to Councillor White
would be, is that your intention to the

653
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:54,480
motion? You're not talking about
furniture, you're talking about design

654
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:59,240
layout.
>> Correct. Layout as presented in the

655
01:08:56,759 --> 01:08:59,240
drawing.

656
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,680
» Okay.

657
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:10,720
I'd be happy to withdraw my amendment at
this time.

658
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:15,000
» Thank you, Councillor Neilson.
We'll be voting on

659
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:20,080
motion by Councillor White. Can you
repeat that, Councillor White, please,

660
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,080
so we can vote on it?

661
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:31,799
» I move the I move that council directs
administration to proceed with council

662
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,799
chambers layout option E.

663
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:38,319
» Thank you. Any further questions? If
not,

664
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:41,600
I'll ask for
any further questions.

665
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:49,080
Can I have a vote, please, on motion
E.

666
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,080
All those in favor?

667
01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:52,400
Opposed?

668
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,840
Carried.
Thank you.

669
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,000
Councillor Neilson.

670
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:12,200
» As part of this conversation, I would
like to make a motion, Mr. Mayor.

671
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,200
» Please.

672
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:21,840
» I would move council directs
administration to provide a quote

673
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:26,680
for replacing existing
council

674
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,680
workstations

675
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,840
with

676
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,600
with new

677
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:41,720
but not to lose the ambience
of the original

678
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,720
courthouse

679
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,000
design.

680
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,680
» Any questions?

681
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:58,400
Councillor Aberley.
>> Uh thank you, sir,

682
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:03,400
through the chair to Councillor Neilson,
Um do you have a date that you would

683
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:07,520
like this information back?
>> Yesterday.

684
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:12,040
» Great. And then a realistic date?
>> That wasn't realistic.

685
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,040
Um

686
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:19,760
I would defer to you, Chris.
>> Um through the chair to the Councillor's

687
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:25,160
question. And if I may, we we did and
this may solve and answer a few

688
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:30,400
questions for you. Um
not entirely the intent of of what your

689
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:35,960
motion and your ask is.
But we did price out a few options along

690
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:40,400
the way. One of them was
um an increase of

691
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,960
to the the current Councillor's desks in
the

692
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:46,480
current configuration.
It didn't include um

693
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:54,160
uh raised paneling or to meet the the
the character that that we currently see

694
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:59,120
in the room. That cost for the two desks
was 18,000. I would anticipate that we

695
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:05,400
we would probably be in about the
$35,000 range

696
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:09,280
um to do the raised panels for
for the two desks.

697
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:15,160
If we were to go that route of raised
panels and and wood desk to meet the the

698
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:17,520
character of the room.
>> And

699
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:25,000
please don't mis- mis-
understand my my comment.

700
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,000
Um

701
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,800
I would like to get

702
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:37,680
I'd like to get a a proper quote.
So that I'm dealing with

703
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:41,360
accurate numbers.
If it is at

704
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:43,880
$35,000
that's quite different than 18,000

705
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,320
whatever.
Um

706
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:55,040
but if it's 18 then it's it's a
different part of the ballgame.

707
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:58,360
Um, my only concern
No, I have two concerns. One obviously

708
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:01,920
is cost, but the other one is
not losing the character of the

709
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,240
building. That that I think
anytime anybody's come into this

710
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:08,320
building,
they are jaw-dropped

711
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:13,040
um
by the facility, and I would not want to

712
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:16,800
lose that by
modernizing, so to speak. So, I would

713
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:21,160
appreciate
accurate accurate numbers.

714
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:24,920
Thank you.
>> So, we need a motion for that.

715
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,280
Sue?

716
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,880
Councilor
White.

717
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:37,040
» Um,
we do have a motion on the floor from

718
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:41,960
Councilor Neilson.
And I I appreciate the

719
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,120
desire for accurate
uh

720
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,320
financial information to make a
decision, and I intend to support his

721
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:51,920
motion.
>> Thank you. Any further questions?

722
01:13:53,880 --> 01:14:00,120
If not, Councilor Neilson, can you
please repeat your motion so we can vote

723
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,120
on it?

724
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:06,520
» Maybe.
I don't need to capture it, or am I

725
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,520
winging it?

726
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,520
Want to add a date. That will do it for
me. Do you want to add a date?

727
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,320
Chris, let's add a date.

728
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:48,760
» Through the chair to the council. I I
think um

729
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:56,000
once we get a a design, um
go back to uh

730
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:59,600
a millwork company, we
we'd probably be able to turn that

731
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:04,880
around in in 4 to 6 weeks.
>> Thank you. 4 to 6 weeks.

732
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:08,400
Not 46, but just
I would I would um

733
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:11,640
within I would I I would ask for it to
be done in 4 weeks.

734
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:17,040
And if you have to have an extension,
you can have an extension. But right now

735
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,360
I want 4 weeks.
>> Okay.

736
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,920
» So you're looking for September the
23rd, I believe.

737
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:29,000
» If your calendar is correct and I trust
you, the answer would be yes.

738
01:15:29,377 --> 01:15:31,397
» [laughter]

739
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:37,600
» Thank you. Counselor Aberley, you had a
question.

740
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:40,160
» No, sir, it was answered. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

741
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:47,000
So when Counselor Neill, can you make
the motion so we can vote, please? You

742
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:50,840
got the date.
>> You had the date. Um the council directs

743
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:55,480
administration provide a quote in 4
weeks for replacing existing council

744
01:15:53,640 --> 01:16:02,240
workstations while maintaining the
existing character of council chambers.

745
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:05,320
» Thank you.
All of those in favor?

746
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,800
Opposed?

747
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:17,120
Carried.
Thank you.

748
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,120
Finally, we got a decision over 2 years.

749
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:23,200
Are you happy now, Karen?
>> Yes, sir. Thank you.

750
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:33,680
» We will move on to item 7.2.
Emily, please.

751
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:58,200
» Good evening, Council. My name is Emily
Sangster, Manager of Planning and

752
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:02,880
Development, and with me is Michael
Reyes from Arcades, our consultant on

753
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:06,960
the Evergreen Area Structure Plan.
The purpose of the presentation for this

754
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:12,160
current agenda item is to present for
second and third reading bylaw 2112-26,

755
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:16,480
which would amend the Municipal
Development Plan or MDP to incorporate

756
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:21,080
the policies and designations proposed
in bylaw 2113-26,

757
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:24,960
Evergreen Area Structure Plan, which
will subsequently be presented for

758
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:28,480
second and third readings.
The MGA requires that our Municipal

759
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,640
Government Act requires that any Area
Structure Plan be consistent with the

760
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,760
applicable MDP,
and the MDP prevails in the event that

761
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,760
there's any inconsistency between the
two plans.

762
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:43,600
Therefore, we are proposing amendments
to the city's 2024 MDP to incorporate

763
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:48,640
the changes proposed in the ASP, and
then ensure the ASP can be adopted in a

764
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:52,520
manner consistent with the approved MDP.
The changes are detailed in the bylaw in

765
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:56,920
attachment one,
includes some minor text changes to

766
01:17:54,120 --> 01:18:00,400
update policy direction um
in section 3.1.1, established

767
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:04,840
neighborhood, to clarify where light
industrial uses may be permitted, and to

768
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:09,320
refer to area structure plans alongside
area redevelopment plans as statutory

769
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:13,920
plans that may provide direction on the
compatibility of new development.

770
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:17,560
Removing the existing policy section and
implementation item providing direction

771
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:22,560
for future study in the special study
area now that that's been completed. And

772
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:27,960
replacing maps two and maps four with
amended maps that represent the proper

773
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:32,960
Evergreen ASP boundary and the land use
designations that are proposed.

774
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:36,400
As I noted at first reading, the land
use designations in map four do not

775
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:40,800
correspond exactly to the land use
designations in the ASP land use

776
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:44,360
concept. And this is because the MDP's
land use designations are broader than

777
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:48,120
those in the ASP.
Additionally, the policies for the

778
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:52,640
relevant land use designations in the
MDP indicate that statutory plans such

779
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:56,320
as this may provide further policy
direction in specific areas.

780
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:00,120
So, with that summary, I'd be happy to
take any questions regarding this

781
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:03,160
proposed bylaw.
>> Councilor Neilson.

782
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:07,480
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the council
give second reading to bylaw

783
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:11,320
2112-26
amending the Municipal Development Plan

784
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:18,040
to incorporate amendments proposed in
the Evergreen Area Structure Plan.

785
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:20,760
» Thank you. Any questions?
Councilor Buildingsley.

786
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,760
» Thank you.
Um

787
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:27,800
through the chair
to the mayor.

788
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:32,640
Um when we had first reading, um you
voted against this

789
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:36,320
and I'm trying to understand
why that would be and you don't have to

790
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:40,320
necessarily Well, you don't have to
answer that question, but I'm trying to

791
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:45,000
understand
why. Is there some Is there amendment

792
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:49,280
that we possibly could make for you to
support this? Is there something about

793
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:53,200
this that isn't sitting right?
>> I'm ask I have a couple questions I

794
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:54,200
going to ask that so you can answer
that.

795
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:59,360
» Perfect. Thank you.
>> Malik.

796
01:19:55,720 --> 01:20:03,920
So, one of my questions we had a
this week or last week we had

797
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:08,840
an email sent to us.
Do land owners have to give a percentage

798
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:13,760
of their lands for parks,
playgrounds

799
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,760
as a developer?

800
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:23,080
» Uh through the through to the chair. Um
I I I believe what you're referring to

801
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:28,240
is the requirement under the MGA that um
at subdivision um owners of parcels

802
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:33,200
larger than a particular size are
required to dedicate up to 10% of the

803
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:37,000
land for parks and open space. Uh that
applies at subdivision.

804
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:41,200
So, not necessarily as part of this
plan.

805
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:46,520
» What is the size they after? Is it after
10 acres? Cuz I'm wondering if you have

806
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:52,720
a landowner has 2 acres and he has to
give 10 or 30% of that land for a park,

807
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:57,880
doesn't make it feasible for him to
develop the land?

808
01:20:55,200 --> 01:21:00,760
Is there a size of a of a before he
gives it or

809
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,640
» Through the Through to the chair, that
size is defined in the Municipal

810
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:08,400
Government Act. I believe it is 0.8
hectares.

811
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:18,360
And that requirement is not unique to
this area structure plan. It's uh at any

812
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:22,760
at any subdivision the municipality may
require it. And so, in the area

813
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:27,040
structure plan that we will get to,
those dedication requirements have been

814
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:29,760
accounted for and mapped for general
information.

815
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,400
» Okay.
Thank you. My other quick I got a couple

816
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:38,600
more questions.
30% of tree canopy, what do you mean by

817
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:43,360
that?
>> Uh Through to the chair, the city has um

818
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:46,480
I believe it's the
I cannot recall if it's the urban tree

819
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,560
policy or the urban forest management
policy, but those policies are also

820
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:52,480
reflected in the Municipal Development
Plan

821
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:58,120
um indicating that the city is looking
to develop its urban tree canopy to

822
01:21:54,680 --> 01:22:01,480
cover 30% of the city in the long term.
>> So,

823
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:06,400
is that go back again that the owner
would have to give 30%

824
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:08,840
of his land to the city
plus

825
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:11,280
the
um

826
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:17,920
percentage of his land for parks and
recreation or what do you mean tree

827
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:21,840
covering or tree
that

828
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:26,760
tree canopy? Explain that more.
>> Uh Through to the chair, um

829
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:31,640
30% tree canopy uh largely indicates
that 30% of the area of the city is uh

830
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:35,360
covered under
a shade tree or a tree cover of some

831
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:40,400
kind. That could be public land or could
be private land, and it's not

832
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:44,040
um expressly related to that municipal
reserve parkland dedication that I was

833
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,320
referring to.
Um

834
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:50,000
trees can contribute to a tree canopy
cover whether they're on public land or

835
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:54,120
private land.
>> Okay, but what I what I'm trying to ask

836
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,840
and again and answer is
if you have a development and he goes in

837
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:01,560
there, he or
clears the whole area for a new

838
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:05,200
subdivision sidewalks, does he have to
leave trees in there or does he come

839
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:09,400
back and replant it?
>> Uh through to the chair, um

840
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:12,800
generally when when this administration
is looking at development applications,

841
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:16,480
if there are significant tree stands, we
may have a discussion with the developer

842
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:19,600
on whether they can be retained. If they
cannot be retained, then we do have

843
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:26,160
landscaping requirements in our land use
bylaw that um set out how um how the

844
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,160
area is to be replanted.

845
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:33,960
» Uh my other question
and last question

846
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:39,880
we know in that area of Evergreen
development there

847
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:44,520
there is a couple contaminated land.
If

848
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:50,200
a developer's building and is beside
there is a couple city owned um

849
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:56,280
contaminated land and uh the seepage
goes into the private land, who's

850
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,280
responsible for that cleanup?

851
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:05,160
If it's on city owned property, which we
have a a dedication here or in in the uh

852
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,160
photos.

853
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,040
» Uh through to the chair, my
understanding from um discussions on

854
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:16,360
this with the province is that the
generally the original polluter is

855
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:21,040
responsible for um the costs of the
cleanup.

856
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:25,680
And so, depending on how um
the original polluter is established and

857
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:29,440
what is shown through studies of how
that contamination has migrated then

858
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:33,760
there may be mechanisms to recover some
of those costs from the original

859
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:38,840
polluter, whoever that may be.
>> But

860
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:42,040
the the the my old and this is a key
point for me.

861
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:47,400
If
if you can't find

862
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:51,040
the original polluter
is the owner

863
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:56,280
whose been land has been contaminated by
that partial land that the city owns

864
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:58,840
have to pay for that
cleanup.

865
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:08,880
Cuz we could we could look at millions
of some of the landfills that's there.

866
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:17,080
» Through to the chair
uh my understanding is that there may be

867
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:21,440
mechanisms for cost recovery as well and
the city may as part of actions arising

868
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:25,480
from this ASP explore options for
remediation of some of the contaminated

869
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,480
sites.

870
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:37,320
» It's not a definite answer. It may
may means we could

871
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:41,760
pay for it or the developer may have to
pay or cost sharing for something he

872
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:44,360
didn't do. Okay.
Uh you answered my question. Counselor

873
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,760
Neilson.
>> Thank you. I'd like to follow up a

874
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:53,120
little bit on
some questions posed because

875
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,120
now I piqued my curiosity.

876
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:58,920
So if I'm a landowner
in

877
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:02,560
Evergreen
and I've got a big parcel of land

878
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:12,040
and there's nothing on it
and I want to develop it

879
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:16,160
I
have to sign a portion of that property

880
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:19,960
to
green space or park space.

881
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:27,360
If I'm a landowner with a big parcel of
land

882
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:32,800
and I'm not planning on developing it,
but I just have a big parcel of land,

883
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:36,920
do I still have to then
designate a portion of my land

884
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,520
to park space?
>> Uh through to uh through the chair to

885
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:43,360
Councillor Nielsen, the requirement for
what's called municipal reserve

886
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:47,200
dedication comes into effect at
subdivision.

887
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:50,800
So, if the parcel is developed as a
large parcel, but not subdivided, then

888
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,200
that dedication requirement is not
there.

889
01:26:55,360 --> 01:27:02,640
» So, if I live out on Airport Road
and I

890
01:27:00,440 --> 01:27:07,120
have a large parcel, my house is on it,
my garage is on it, I'm not doing any

891
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:12,480
further subdivision, then I do not have
a requirement

892
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:14,840
to give over a portion of my land
to green space?

893
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,040
» Through the chair to Councillor Nielsen,
I see what you're saying now. Um if

894
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:22,280
uh
so, in the example that you're giving um

895
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:26,840
for a a large residential property that
property that has already been

896
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:30,320
developed, at that previous subdivision,
um if municipal reserve was dedicated at

897
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,200
that time, and in most cases it was,
then you're not you don't have it's not

898
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,600
required that the landowner provide it
again.

899
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:44,120
» And if that large portion of property is
actually a commercial

900
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:44,120
venture,

901
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:48,680
does that hold true as well if they're
not subdividing subdividing it any

902
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:54,040
further?
>> That's correct. The requirement is

903
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,040
regardless of the the use of the land.

904
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,560
» Okay, thank you.

905
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:07,320
» Councillor Billingsley.
>> Thank you. Through the chair to Emily.

906
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:11,560
These regulations you speak of are are
MJ and not specific

907
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:13,560
to this MDP, is that correct?
>> Through the chair uh, counselor,

908
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:16,800
Billingsley, that's correct.
>> Thank you.

909
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:21,920
They're not applicable to this?
>> No, they're not specific to this.

910
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:27,560
» Help me understand the difference.
In other words,

911
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:32,200
the the rules that you speak about are,
um, part of the MGA, not

912
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:35,160
were constructed because of this
specific property.

913
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,760
properties
>> No.

914
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,080
» Correct. Yeah.
Thank you.

915
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:43,360
» I I do have one more question.

916
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:52,480
We have where Evergreen space
We have a gem in our community which is

917
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:57,400
By the Lake Park.
Is it not a conflict

918
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:02,080
to compete
to bring people to By the Lake Park to

919
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:07,400
enjoy our pathways and
because we know what, uh,

920
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:13,240
Battle River Watershed in that area
is very subject to flooding. So, we're

921
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:13,240
going to have a lot of night nature.

922
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:20,160
Is that not too close to have too many
parks, high maintenance, and

923
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:26,920
» Uh, through to the chair,
um,

924
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:30,480
one of the rationales for laying out the
parks in the land use concept the way

925
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:33,840
that it was done was kind of recognizing
that there are sort of different levels

926
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:37,840
and different types of park space, if
you wish. So, By the Lake Park is a a

927
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:42,480
large regional park, um, draws people
from all across the city, but, um,

928
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:46,480
it's I think we can all think of smaller
neighborhood parks in our area that we

929
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:50,520
may be more likely to pop out to to walk
a dog or bring a child to the

930
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:54,320
playground. And so, having both of those
types of parks, um, easily accessible to

931
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:59,040
residents in this area was part of the
reason why there's a number of smaller

932
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:02,680
parks proposed actually in the plan area
that are not

933
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:05,600
seen to be conflicting with the larger
By the Lake Park.

934
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:13,880
» As our records show, where where they
can smaller playgrounds and cuz we can't

935
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:19,280
afford to main- maintain it.
Um

936
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:19,280
my question is to administration.

937
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:25,520
If I vote no
to the third reading or the second, what

938
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:29,240
happens?
>> Uh through to the chair, um

939
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:33,520
I think that it would depend on the
overall outcome of the vote. Um if the

940
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:38,040
if the proposal as a whole does not pass
third reading, then the area structure

941
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,040
plan is defeated.

942
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,560
» Okay, thank you.

943
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,080
Any further questions?

944
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:51,760
Councilor Billingsley, then Councilor
Neilson.

945
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,760
» Thank you. Um

946
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:58,600
I think I'm reading between the lines
and maybe I'm not. Um

947
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:05,680
do you have concerns about this, Mayor
Branco, that possibly an amendment to

948
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:05,680
this would alleviate your concerns?

949
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,840
» I I have a concerns that

950
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:17,680
I know it's all to the owners to develop
when develop, but

951
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:21,440
if we're doing an industrial park and
somebody wants to build an industrial

952
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:26,560
park, why would he give
land away that he's already have a high

953
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:33,640
cost to develop and lose some of that
land for green space when we have

954
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:38,000
green space across the street.
So it's more it's more of

955
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:44,120
I know it's not up to us, it's up to the
MGA or the provincial government rules,

956
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:48,040
but
to have somebody that has

957
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:51,520
five, six acres and he has to give two
acres away,

958
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:56,400
that's income that he's losing that he
has to pay for, that he ain't getting

959
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,400
nothing back.

960
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:08,400
Now if the city was to say, "We're going
to purchase your land for green space."

961
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,400
That's a different situation.

962
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,480
Councilor Neilson.

963
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,240
» No, I'm good. Thank you, sir.

964
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:24,640
» Councilor Hoyle.
>> Emily, what size did you say that we

965
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:27,600
were looking at where the 10% was
applicable to?

966
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:34,720
Is it 0.9 hectares?
Was that correct?

967
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:39,400
» Uh through the chair to Councilor Hoyle,
I would need to verify, but it is stated

968
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:42,240
in the MGA and I believe it is 0.8
hectares.

969
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:45,280
» 0.8 then that's 20 acres.
I believe roundabout. So, we're talking

970
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:51,560
about a large
>> No. No. No. 0.8 is not 0.8 of a hectare

971
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:56,920
is not 20 acres.
>> Did she say 1/8 or 0.8?

972
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,920
» 0.8.

973
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:10,280
» And so, that would also
>> Councilor

974
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:14,840
» That would also mean that
that's applicable to any other division

975
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:19,720
subdivision going forward whether it's
industrial any development in the city

976
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:22,840
this would be applicable to, correct?
>> Uh through the chair to Councilor Hoyle,

977
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:26,720
any subdivision that meets the criteria
set out in the MGA, yes. Thank you.

978
01:33:33,480 --> 01:33:36,480
» Thank you, Mayor Bronco.

979
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:43,200
We put the cart before a whole lot of
horses here because is this not just us

980
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:49,680
saying
we are willing to change an MDP to

981
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:52,920
look at like I think
this debate

982
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:57,400
we're just trying to see are we going to
change our MDP?

983
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:59,400
Am I saying that word right?
Am I understanding what the point of

984
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:04,000
this is?
>> Through the chair to Councillor Aberle.

985
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:08,600
Through the chair to Councillor Aberle,
the current bylaw that is um the subject

986
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:13,760
of the motion is the motion to amend the
MDP right to then prepare for the ASP

987
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:18,240
bylaw to be discussed next.
>> Yes. So, I will be voting in favor of

988
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:20,760
this motion
both readings

989
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:27,920
um
because I am in favor of

990
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:33,120
continuing this discussion about the
area structure plan.

991
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:39,160
But if we were to say no in any of this
now, we're not we wouldn't be having the

992
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:39,160
conversations that we've just had.

993
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:45,200
So, I would like to have you call the
question, please.

994
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:48,600
» I
If I may,

995
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:54,160
wouldn't it be beneficiary for us to
debate that before

996
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:59,160
if one of us says no
to then come back

997
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,160
and settle this?

998
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:07,880
» If you're asking me specifically, Mayor
Bronconnier, I don't believe it would.

999
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,880
» Okay, thank you.

1000
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,120
May I ask for the question?

1001
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:20,200
Can somebody make a motion for the
second and third reading, please?

1002
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:22,800
» I did.
>> We did?

1003
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:29,040
» Yes, for second reading.
>> Okay, all of those in favor?

1004
01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:29,040
Opposed?

1005
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:35,880
Thank you.
>> Mr. Mayor, I now move that council gives

1006
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:41,080
third reading to bylaw 2112-26
amending the municipal development plan

1007
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:45,720
to incorporate amendments proposed in
the Evergreen area structure plan.

1008
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,840
» All of those in favor?

1009
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,000
Opposed?

1010
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,960
Passed, I believe.

1011
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,040
We'll move on to 7.1.

1012
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:15,720
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Um to follow on the public hearing that

1013
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:19,720
took place earlier and the presentation
uh that was made a moment ago and also

1014
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:24,200
first reading of this item at the July
28th Council meeting, I wanted to

1015
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:29,520
provide a brief overview of the proposed
plan

1016
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:34,120
being presented in Bylaw 2113-26
uh as well as a minor recommended

1017
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:37,200
amendment and additional considerations.
As you know, the plan area covers

1018
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:40,920
approximately two quarter sections
northeast of the Wetaskiwin Airport and

1019
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:44,240
has various development considerations
and constraints.

1020
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:47,960
These include an existing mix of
low-density residential, industrial

1021
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:51,720
development, and vacant land owned by
numerous different owners,

1022
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:55,680
limited municipal servicing, and
environmental considerations such as

1023
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:59,880
contaminated sites, drainage challenges,
and existing wetland areas.

1024
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:04,000
The project team completed a broad
engagement process in the first half of

1025
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:07,760
2026, which included two public open
houses, two public surveys, and the

1026
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:11,120
maintenance of a project website to
provide information to the public and

1027
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,160
receive inquiries.
It also involved direct engagement with

1028
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:18,400
potentially interested parties,
including owners of vacant land in the

1029
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:22,480
area, representatives of Wetaskiwin's
Indigenous communities, and public and

1030
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:25,680
non-governmental agencies such as the
city's own departments,

1031
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:29,960
uh Alberta Health Services, and the
Battle River Watershed Alliance.

1032
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:33,760
Key themes that emerged from this
engagement are reflected in the plan's

1033
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:37,560
vision, which is to foster a community
that offers diverse housing choices and

1034
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:41,200
business opportunities with convenient
road and trail connectivity and readily

1035
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:44,320
accessible green spaces, while
thoughtfully integrating and

1036
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:48,240
complementing the existing character of
surrounding neighborhoods.

1037
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:52,120
The key themes also informed four main
guiding principles, which are to foster

1038
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:56,440
vibrant mixed-use and walkable
neighborhoods, provide diverse and

1039
01:37:54,120 --> 01:38:00,560
inclusive housing choices, enhance,
protect, and sustain natural and green

1040
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:05,200
spaces, and ensure responsible
infrastructure and phased growth.

1041
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:10,520
The final plan includes a land use
concept that is figure five on page 26

1042
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:13,160
of the plan. Perhaps that can be shown
on the screen for our reference during

1043
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:17,280
discussion.
That generally provides for the

1044
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:21,640
retention of an existing residential
industrial mixed-use area in the south

1045
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:24,880
and west of the plan area,
an area of low-density residential

1046
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:27,920
development in the center of the plan
area,

1047
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:31,280
and an area of mixed commercial and
higher density development at the east

1048
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:35,760
side of the area.
I'll just give them a moment for that.

1049
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,760
It's right It's right towards the end.

1050
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:46,080
So, all the maps are in the rear at the
very end of the document, so it should

1051
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:46,080
be page 26, figure five.

1052
01:38:52,120 --> 01:39:00,760
There we go. Almost there.
There it is.

1053
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,760
Perfect. Many thanks.

1054
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:06,920
So, that is the the land use concept. Uh
supporting policies were developed in

1055
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:11,040
the areas of residential, commercial,
and industrial development,

1056
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:14,160
transportation, parks and open space,
environmental considerations, and

1057
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:17,200
servicing.
Given the drainage and wetland

1058
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:22,560
considerations in the area, low-impact
development strategies were identified

1059
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:22,560
as part of implementation.

1060
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:28,760
These principles, supporting policy
directions, and specific policies will

1061
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:32,880
guide decision-making related to future
development in the plan area.

1062
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:36,320
Notably, the plan will be considered by
city administration in making

1063
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:40,000
recommendations to council regarding
future rezoning, direct control

1064
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:43,920
development applications, and relevant
infrastructure projects, and also in

1065
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:48,040
making decisions regarding future
development permit applications that

1066
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:51,360
fall under administration's authority.
It will be a bylaw and therefore a

1067
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:56,840
public resource to support landowners
and potential future developers in their

1068
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:59,720
planning and decision-making as well.
Through the public hearing process,

1069
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:03,160
considerations were raised that are
prompting administration to recommend

1070
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:08,320
that council make a minor amendment to
the plan as presented, and invite

1071
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:11,520
council to consider another amendment.
The recommended amendment is a minor

1072
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:15,680
correction.
That the descriptions of open space area

1073
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:19,920
one and two on page 17 of the plan be
transposed as they were simply numbered

1074
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:24,480
incorrectly.
Administration also noted concerns um

1075
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:28,760
through the the public hearing regarding
a road and other infrastructure being

1076
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:34,200
shown through a wet area at 47th Ave and
West Street, and comments regarding the

1077
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:39,360
potential to relocate a conceptual park
space near Evergreen close. Both of

1078
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:42,840
those to promote wetland preservation.
Administration has reviewed the policies

1079
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:46,640
as presented and feels that they provide
the tools to preserve wetlands during

1080
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:50,320
future development. However, we are
happy to provide further information on

1081
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:53,880
potential mapping amendments council may
choose to make that may provide greater

1082
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:57,480
clarity.
With the recommended amendment noted, um

1083
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,840
administration is recommending the
Evergreen ASP for council's approval,

1084
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:06,400
and would be happy to respond to any
questions you might have.

1085
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:08,920
» Councillor White.
>> I move that council give second reading

1086
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:12,400
to
bylaw 1223-26.

1087
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:21,520
» Perfect. Councillor
Aberley.

1088
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:27,880
» Thank you, sir. I know it's hard to um
see me as I sit here in my own

1089
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:34,160
spotlight. I am very specific
ly to the last point you made about the

1090
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:38,680
wetlands. Can you please repeat that um
so I understand what you just said. Will

1091
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:43,360
there be directing of roads and adding
different park space or you're open to

1092
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:45,840
it?
Or

1093
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:49,320
» We're open to it cuz it's our plan.
Excuse me.

1094
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:53,080
» Uh through the chair to you, Counselor
Aberley. Um as part of a public hearing

1095
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:58,000
submission that I believe has now been
distributed to council. Um

1096
01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:00,880
there were concerns raised regarding a
road um

1097
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:07,120
connection that was represented at
approximately 47 Ave and West Street in

1098
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:12,000
sort of the southeast portion of the
plan area.

1099
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:16,280
And also um a proposal to shift the park
space that is shown near Evergreen Close

1100
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,800
a little bit to the north.
Um

1101
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:23,240
Both of those were for wet wetland
protection considerations.

1102
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:26,960
The road is shown as is because
generally in

1103
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:31,120
developing the proposed road network, uh
we followed existing road right-of-ways

1104
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:34,440
where they provided a needed connection.
So, there is an existing road

1105
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:37,600
right-of-way that runs through that area
right now.

1106
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:41,880
The park is shown as is uh because as
noted earlier, we aim to distribute the

1107
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:45,920
smaller park spaces within approximately
a 400-m walking distance of each

1108
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:48,840
residence.
We did have the opportunity to discuss

1109
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:53,160
those concerns with the Watershed
Alliance um and with our consultant as

1110
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:57,360
well and look at the currently proposed
policies.

1111
01:42:55,080 --> 01:43:00,920
The policy suite that is
in the plan right now as presented

1112
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:05,640
include specific policies that
prioritize wetland protection

1113
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:09,360
that require studies to formally
delineate wetlands before further

1114
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:13,320
subdivision and development can take
place.

1115
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:17,280
Um they provide us with flexibility to
relocate the sort of conceptual

1116
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:20,600
high-level open spaces and road
connections as shown at later

1117
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:25,480
development stages.
And they also provide us with um the

1118
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:29,680
opportunity to use other environmental
protection tools that are available to

1119
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:34,600
us under the Municipal Government Act to
reserve additional space for

1120
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:39,400
conservation purposes.
So, therefore, if we administration's

1121
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:43,160
view is that if these areas are formally
identified as wetlands before

1122
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:46,920
development, the ASP provides the tools
to avoid them and protect them.

1123
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:52,360
However,
should council wish to um

1124
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:57,040
adjust the road as shown
um to show a more conceptual road

1125
01:43:54,400 --> 01:44:01,200
connection in that location, then
council may propose and approve that

1126
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,200
amendment.

1127
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:12,640
» Thank you. And I guess as we chat, I'm
looking for three friends. If we're um

1128
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:18,920
and we have put into
our strategic plan that where possible

1129
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:25,600
we will look at environmental impacts
and considerations into our um

1130
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:29,240
planning and into our development that a
road going through the middle of a

1131
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:34,800
marshland is
one, not necessarily

1132
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:37,640
good for said marsh, but also two, as we
have

1133
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:42,400
seen this summer
as many

1134
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:47,040
flooding is and will always be an issue
in

1135
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:52,480
the area in which we live. And so,
I would like the very end of what you

1136
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:58,640
said is make that direction so we are
looking at roadways to go around what is

1137
01:44:55,960 --> 01:45:03,640
the Battle River Watershed Alliance has
pulled that out as a specific

1138
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:10,160
» concern with their studies um for that
to go around. I'm less understanding of

1139
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:14,920
the one on this back page. So, I'm just
going to stick with the first page.

1140
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,920
Um

1141
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:25,280
and your words are so much clearer than
I would make an amendment to say

1142
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,280
Help me.

1143
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:31,240
To divert this road around watershed or
around that

1144
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:35,520
um
waste wasteland wetland.

1145
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:42,400
» Councilor Wright.
>> Councilor Aberley, does

1146
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,400
the

1147
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:50,200
picture in figure six that shows
transportation network, does that

1148
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:56,640
satisfy what you're looking
looking for?

1149
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:00,160
» No, because I still see that jog. If If
I'm understanding what that map is

1150
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:06,680
saying and what this map is saying to
me, we do have a road going through

1151
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:11,000
a portion of that wetland. If you If I
look at it as a satellite photo.

1152
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:15,400
» Through the chair to council, um
anticipating this discussion,

1153
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:19,760
administration um prepared a very brief
mock-up of what a proposed amendment

1154
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:24,400
could look like. Uh that is being shown
on the screen at the moment. You'll see

1155
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:29,000
that um it replaces a right-angled
>> I apologize. There's a map

1156
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:33,960
» with a dashed line showing a conceptual
connection. Essentially, that indicates

1157
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:39,600
that that connection would be needed to
accommodate traffic flow in that area,

1158
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:43,720
but the specific location of it is is
more flexible than it appears in the

1159
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:47,920
currently presented version.
That's not to say that, you know, if in

1160
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:50,800
a future situation there was a wetland
study done, it found that in fact that

1161
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:54,400
area
is not a wetland, that the road could

1162
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:58,360
not follow
the course that's currently shown, but

1163
01:46:56,680 --> 01:47:01,440
it just indicates that there there is
more flexibility there.

1164
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:09,360
» So
how do I nicely say Well, not nicely,

1165
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:12,360
but how do I say How do I What words do
I use to get this?

1166
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:23,680
I I would like to amend the amendment
to look like the second figure six.

1167
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:25,960
» There's uh through the chair to
counselor, I believe there's some draft

1168
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:28,080
text being
>> Perfect.

1169
01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:32,160
» proposed on the screen at the moment um
essentially proposing an amendment to

1170
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:37,200
figure sec- figure six and there's a
minor amendment to figure 10 to um

1171
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:41,680
show the road connection that had in
that area as a conceptual collector

1172
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,680
road.

1173
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:49,320
» And I'm just going to keep talking until
I'm not going to um

1174
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,320
filibuster this, but

1175
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:56,160
if there
if the study shows that there is no need

1176
01:47:53,320 --> 01:48:00,160
to do these diverted roadways,
then we would just go with status quo.

1177
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:02,680
Cuz that's why it was dotted. That's
sort of what you said.

1178
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:06,120
» Through the chair to counselor, I
believe that's that's right. Thank you.

1179
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,960
» Councillor White.

1180
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:25,720
» Uh thank you through the chair to
administration. I appreciate seeing the

1181
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:30,600
uh proposed
altered figure six. Can I

1182
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:35,760
Could we see figure 10 as well before I
vote on it?

1183
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:35,760
Although I do anticipate supporting it.

1184
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:42,760
» Uh through the chair to counselor,
figure 10 is just being brought up. Um

1185
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:47,480
the change that would be made would be
where there is a um

1186
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:52,440
a future sanitary main shown along that
street. That line would be shortened.

1187
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:54,720
It may not need to extend the length of
it.

1188
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:05,240
» Are you okay with that?
>> I will 100% I'll make the motion when I

1189
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:08,760
see it again cuz I I didn't
>> uh figure six again, please?

1190
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:13,640
» Thank you.
>> And so my question is I got to figure

1191
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:16,280
out what this is.
>> Proposed six.

1192
01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:23,920
» So

1193
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,560
Got her?

1194
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:37,280
So then the um
the purple road

1195
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:40,800
that disappears and doesn't join to the
other purple road. Does that help you?

1196
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:44,040
You know what I'm speaking of then?
>> That totally made sense to me.

1197
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:47,680
Through the chair to Counselor Neilson,
you're referring to 47th Avenue East and

1198
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,760
West that don't have a segment in the
middle.

1199
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:54,600
» 47th Avenue. Um
does that mean that collector road

1200
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:59,720
disappears then?
>> Through the chair to Counselor Neilson,

1201
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:04,960
um in the plan as originally proposed,
um the segment of 47th Avenue was not

1202
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:09,680
being proposed to be developed as a
road. Um it was to be replaced by that

1203
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:12,320
curved gray line that shows that
connection.

1204
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:15,440
» Yeah.
>> Go around.

1205
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:20,080
I'm okay now.
>> Uh

1206
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:24,880
I would like to move that figure six and
seven of the plan be amended to reflect

1207
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:31,240
an approximate collector road connection
between 48 Ave

1208
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:34,800
dash West Street and the East segment of
47 Avenue.

1209
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:44,160
» Counselor Billingkley.
>> Thank you. Uh through the chair to uh

1210
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:49,080
Counselor Iverly, do you mean figure 10
not seven?

1211
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:53,640
» I apologize. Am I incapable of reading
this afternoon?

1212
01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:56,480
I Sorry, Nicole, can I please see that
again? Six and 10. Did I What did I say

1213
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,600
seven?
>> Yes.

1214
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:03,520
» I apologize. Um numbers are hard.
That figures six and 10 of the plan be

1215
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:10,040
amended to reflect an approximate
collector road connection between 48 Ave

1216
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:12,600
West Street and the East segment of 47
Ave.

1217
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:34,040
» Motion's on the table.
All of those in favor to the amendment.

1218
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:34,040
Opposed.

1219
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:38,280
Carried. Now the motion.

1220
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:46,720
You have the motion on the table.
For the second first or second reading.

1221
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:51,360
Councillor White.
>> I move that council give third reading

1222
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:53,240
to bylaw 2113-26.
>> So, we still have to vote on second

1223
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,920
reading.
>> Second. Oh, sorry.

1224
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:04,080
» Uh Mayor Branco, we just uh
voted on the amendment that

1225
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:11,720
that Karen had put forward. So, my
original motion was the council give

1226
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:15,442
second reading to bylaw 2113-26.
>> Thank you.

1227
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:17,760
All of those in favor.
>> [snorts]

1228
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:22,400
» Opposed.
Carried.

1229
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:26,280
Councillor White.
>> Thank you, Mayor Branco. Now I would

1230
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:33,360
like to move that council give third
reading to bylaw 2113-26.

1231
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:33,360
» All of those in favor.

1232
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:41,240
Opposed. Carried.
Thank you.

1233
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:46,320
Item number eight, can I have a motion
to go into closed session?

1234
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:50,560
» If I If
Joe, can I just take a really quick

1235
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:54,000
point of order? I just I want to thank
you, and I want to thank you for your

1236
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:58,600
coming into our community, and I know
it's your

1237
01:52:55,240 --> 01:53:02,720
um job, but I really think that
this is one of the things that maybe

1238
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:06,160
only the six or seven of us get really
excited about because it means that

1239
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:10,480
we're looking to the future of this
community and and what we're going to do

1240
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:15,080
and further work in helping me figure
out my numbers and doing all that. Just

1241
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:18,440
thank you for being top notch and coming
in for us.

1242
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,440
» Here, here.

1243
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:28,600
» Do we have motion?
>> We did not have a motion yet.

1244
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:32,160
» No.
A motion to move into camera.

1245
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:35,360
» So moved, Mr. Chair.
>> Thank you. All those in favor?

1246
01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:38,880
Carried.
>> Are we taking a break?

1247
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:42,480
I'll see you in 10.

1248
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:49,560
Cuz I got to pee again, so
That's definitely 10 minutes. [laughter]

1249
01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:49,560
» And let's done the same time.

1250
01:53:54,320 --> 01:54:01,200
Oh, no.
>> I don't see any of this stuff. I just

1251
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:03,360
saw it.
Yeah.

1252
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,880
» Mhm.

1253
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:42,000
» Mhm.

1254
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,000
» Mhm.

1255
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:10,440
» Okay, good.
>> Thank you. Can I have a motion to come

1256
02:18:07,240 --> 02:18:10,440
out of camera, please?

1257
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:17,599
Councillor White.
All of those

1258
02:18:14,599 --> 02:18:17,599
All those in favor?

1259
02:18:17,719 --> 02:18:24,440
Thank you.
We will move on to an item number nine,

1260
02:18:21,719 --> 02:18:29,800
new business.
Uh business case, Councillor Neilsen.

1261
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:36,920
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh won't be long.
This is sort of a follow-up to my

1262
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:40,639
conversation on inspiring governance.
And uh

1263
02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:45,840
I made mention of all the business cases
that we submitted and then

1264
02:18:42,639 --> 02:18:48,960
uh some folks failed to actually vote on
business cases.

1265
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:53,360
So, I'd like to make a motion. I think
it's already been captured. I'd like to

1266
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:58,040
move the council directs administration
to only consider business cases

1267
02:18:56,120 --> 02:19:02,280
submitted by council members who took
the time and voted on the business

1268
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:05,400
cases.
So, if you submit

1269
02:19:03,639 --> 02:19:08,480
And my comment, Mr. Mayor, would be if
any one of us submitted a business case,

1270
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:11,639
but didn't take the time to actually
vote on them, your business cases

1271
02:19:10,480 --> 02:19:17,480
couldn't have been that important to
you. So, I'm suggesting administration

1272
02:19:14,200 --> 02:19:17,480
drop those business cases.

1273
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:26,599
» Councillor Alder.
>> Okay, so on those business cases, I had

1274
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:30,200
probably upwards of 50, and I knew I was
going to nail them down.

1275
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:37,639
But, what I recall
is you told me they might all be good.

1276
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:40,920
So, just leave them. And I know I wanted
to go

1277
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:45,000
narrow them down, but I took your other
advice.

1278
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:49,440
Just left them in there.
So, my mistake again.

1279
02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:52,320
Um
So, do with them what you will.

1280
02:19:51,560 --> 02:19:55,640
Um
that's fine.

1281
02:19:53,560 --> 02:19:55,640
But

1282
02:19:56,040 --> 02:20:00,560
No.
>> Maybe I misunderstood what you said.

1283
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:03,840
» No, I said just as you as you as you've
mentioned Mark and that is Mark said

1284
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:06,840
well maybe I'll take them back and
whittle them down some and I said why

1285
02:20:05,640 --> 02:20:10,480
whittle them down? There might be some
really good ones in there.

1286
02:20:08,680 --> 02:20:13,160
So leave them in place.
But I would have

1287
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:16,920
» preferred I whittled them down.
>> No, not at all. I would have preferred

1288
02:20:15,080 --> 02:20:19,880
that on
Friday

1289
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:28,080
13th or whatever it was
that we actually

1290
02:20:25,280 --> 02:20:31,440
had everybody submit their votes as to
which ones they

1291
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:35,560
were
supporting.

1292
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:39,840
And I'll be honest, I supported some of
yours.

1293
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:43,560
I supported some of yours
even you didn't support.

1294
02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:48,880
So
that's where I sit.

1295
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:48,880
» Councillor White.

1296
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:54,440
» Thank you Mayor Branco.
To council.

1297
02:20:52,360 --> 02:20:58,600
I
cannot support this motion because I

1298
02:20:59,480 --> 02:21:08,040
I did take the time and entered
and submitted to administration

1299
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:12,680
items that I think should be considered
and whether regardless of who they came

1300
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:12,680
from.

1301
02:21:12,760 --> 02:21:20,400
I
I made my vote or it wasn't a vote but I

1302
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:27,400
made my
consideration known of what I valued and

1303
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:34,080
want to know more information on and I
don't want to undo my

1304
02:21:31,720 --> 02:21:37,800
efforts to let administration know the
things that I value based on who

1305
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:41,680
submitted them.
So I can't support that motion.

1306
02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:45,680
» Any further questions?

1307
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:51,120
Councillor Alder.
>> I would just have one and this would be

1308
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:53,200
to admin.
Um

1309
02:21:54,280 --> 02:22:02,000
I haven't seen what was whittled down.
Is it overwhelming for what was there?

1310
02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:06,560
Head shake means yes.

1311
02:22:07,440 --> 02:22:15,480
» Yeah, so there were four counselors that
submitted votes.

1312
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:18,920
Um we originally went through and I said
tell me how many had at least two votes

1313
02:22:17,480 --> 02:22:25,360
because there was only four counselors
that submitted.

1314
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:31,120
Um and it would have been 11 capital, 30
operating, although four were actually

1315
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:34,400
capital, so 15 capital and 26 operating.
Then I said, "Can you please go through

1316
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:38,000
and because we
if you think about all of council, we

1317
02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:46,920
would need four. So, what does it look
like with four?" So, um only items

1318
02:22:43,560 --> 02:22:51,040
that got the the three or four votes, um
six operating,

1319
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:54,680
eight capital,
and four were

1320
02:22:52,520 --> 02:23:00,320
actually operating, so 10 Sorry, 10
capital.

1321
02:22:56,440 --> 02:23:04,720
Yeah. Six operating, 10 capital.
>> Based on Based on how many votes?

1322
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:10,320
» Was that four?
Four people voted, yeah. Oh, sorry, we

1323
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:15,800
went three and three or four votes.
So, it had to have a minimum of three

1324
02:23:11,960 --> 02:23:15,800
votes of the four that were submitted.

1325
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:26,720
» And what were the numbers, Sue, please?
>> Original

1326
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:31,720
was 15 capital, 26 operating.
If I looked at two votes of the four.

1327
02:23:29,480 --> 02:23:34,920
When we looked at three and four votes,
it came out to

1328
02:23:33,720 --> 02:23:40,760
um
10 capital

1329
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:47,000
and six operating.
Four. So, four operating and and 10

1330
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:47,000
capital. Yeah.

1331
02:23:48,120 --> 02:23:51,880
» So,
>> and those

1332
02:23:49,880 --> 02:23:54,880
» are on top of those are just the council
ones cuz it of course administration has

1333
02:23:53,640 --> 02:23:58,600
a bunch submitted.
>> So

1334
02:23:57,400 --> 02:24:02,880
with
three votes

1335
02:24:00,880 --> 02:24:05,400
you don't have
consensus of council.

1336
02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:09,640
» With four votes
>> If we were to take a vote, yeah.

1337
02:24:07,320 --> 02:24:09,640
And

1338
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:15,720
» So are we are we are we considering

1339
02:24:24,360 --> 02:24:30,960
So are we considering
three votes

1340
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:34,640
of a council of seven
sufficient?

1341
02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:38,560
So less than a majority of council
saying this is important. We're putting

1342
02:24:36,600 --> 02:24:43,040
them on that on the business case
consideration.

1343
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:47,560
» Yes, because it was it was a straw poll.
Um and my assumption was that of the

1344
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:52,120
ones that made it, council could have
that discussion because if we go for

1345
02:24:49,160 --> 02:24:56,120
four votes, there's only three operating
and two capital.

1346
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:58,080
» And if you go with three or four again,
please.

1347
02:24:56,440 --> 02:25:01,840
» go with four
there's only three operating

1348
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:05,320
and
and two capital.

1349
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:10,560
» And if you go to three or four?
>> Three was

1350
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:13,480
four operating, 10 capital.
>> Okay, that's good.

1351
02:25:15,640 --> 02:25:19,320
So you've gone from five to 14.

1352
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:25,400
Three and two and four and 10.
On top of those that administrations

1353
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:29,080
already been put in.
>> Correct.

1354
02:25:27,720 --> 02:25:32,480
And and I think this is important
because we still need to run it through.

1355
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:35,800
We need to develop them out. We need to
get the cost estimates. We need to get

1356
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:39,400
them back to council. And those capital
ones, there's a binder on my desk

1357
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:43,280
already because we're hoping to print
those soon for

1358
02:25:41,440 --> 02:25:46,520
deliberations
in early September.

1359
02:25:45,440 --> 02:25:50,120
Um
we've got

1360
02:25:48,200 --> 02:25:55,440
open houses planned, that sort of stuff.
So, we need to get on some of these like

1361
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:55,440
very quickly.

1362
02:25:59,240 --> 02:26:06,200
» Councilor Billingsley.
>> Thank you. Um

1363
02:26:04,040 --> 02:26:12,480
through the chair to Councilor Nielsen,
I understand your frustration. I too am

1364
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:17,000
frustrated that we talked about that
to have this in by noon on Friday and

1365
02:26:15,240 --> 02:26:20,800
for
whatever reason

1366
02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:23,600
some of us did not
um

1367
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:27,720
submit.
But, I

1368
02:26:24,760 --> 02:26:27,720
like um

1369
02:26:28,520 --> 02:26:35,760
Councilor what what Councilor Waite had
said that um

1370
02:26:32,760 --> 02:26:35,760
just because

1371
02:26:36,520 --> 02:26:44,320
you didn't um submit doesn't necess- the
work that I put in

1372
02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:50,320
to actually evaluate these should not be
discounted. So, point made

1373
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:52,520
in the sense of
um

1374
02:26:53,400 --> 02:26:59,120
please
take this stuff seriously, Council.

1375
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:04,280
Um
I can't support necessarily

1376
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:08,480
pulling them off because
you didn't submit your

1377
02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:15,200
» And I bite and I bite both of your
arguments and to your point

1378
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:15,200
it was my point.

1379
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:21,640
If you can't
take the time

1380
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:25,800
to add to the conversation about budget
then don't be complaining about budget

1381
02:27:23,800 --> 02:27:27,840
when it doesn't turn out your way.
>> Correct.

1382
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:32,160
» We're all in this or we're either not
all in it. So, I will withdraw my

1383
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:36,280
motion, but I will ask a question of
this group.

1384
02:27:33,800 --> 02:27:39,200
Sue, with two two more votes, What are
your numbers, please?

1385
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:50,000
» There are 15 capital and 26 operating.
>> And are we asking administration then

1386
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:53,160
based on the votes, based on two or more
votes,

1387
02:27:51,320 --> 02:27:57,240
to pick up
41 more business cases to calculate? And

1388
02:27:55,960 --> 02:28:00,160
if not,
please pick a number.

1389
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:08,400
» Councillor
Aberley.

1390
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:11,200
» You know, um thank you, Mayor Bronco.
It's getting late and I forgot my name,

1391
02:28:10,280 --> 02:28:16,880
too.
Um

1392
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:23,200
I and I have said this, I have was not
one of those people, so maybe I have no

1393
02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:30,600
say, but I would like to um
just point into if the four of you

1394
02:28:28,920 --> 02:28:36,400
who
did it were to show up during budget

1395
02:28:34,320 --> 02:28:41,960
deliberations when we take those straw
polls, the majority would have been

1396
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:46,200
three. Therefore, I would go with the
number three or more votes.

1397
02:28:44,840 --> 02:28:52,440
» That'd be 14.
>> Yeah, and even that seems like

1398
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:52,440
a lot, but two, hm.

1399
02:28:59,760 --> 02:29:02,880
» Councillor Elder, just have a quick
question.

1400
02:29:02,817 --> 02:29:06,640
» [clears throat]
>> So, out of all the ones that I

1401
02:29:03,880 --> 02:29:06,640
submitted,

1402
02:29:07,800 --> 02:29:15,080
I think I broke down details, prices,
quotes, everything, but is it different

1403
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:18,320
than the way you do it?
Cuz I thought I did all pretty much all

1404
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:23,120
the work for you.
>> It is different. Um I know that you

1405
02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:28,160
weren't there that day that we discussed
um capital prioritization and operating.

1406
02:29:25,480 --> 02:29:34,120
So, there's a a set criteria that we
have to run through. Um

1407
02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:40,200
and it answers a bunch of different
questions around like how prepared we

1408
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:42,920
are. Um does it meet council's strategic
goals? There's a bunch of different

1409
02:29:41,560 --> 02:29:47,560
things that we have to run it through.
And then a lot of the cost estimates

1410
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:53,320
were really vast. And so,
um in the past council has really pushed

1411
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:57,320
us to get really tight
budgets with only 10% contingency. And

1412
02:29:56,120 --> 02:30:01,720
so, we would still need to go out and
scope all of those.

1413
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:05,200
I think part of the problem is is that
there were things put in as operating,

1414
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:08,280
but they were actually capital.
And

1415
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:12,680
um
um

1416
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:18,400
there's a lot more work that needs to go
into

1417
02:30:14,760 --> 02:30:21,920
some of those pieces um that we might
not have the time right now.

1418
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:25,200
Which just means it would be a separate
document. Or maybe I just get my team

1419
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:28,920
not to bind them cuz we were going to we
were looking at coil-bound

1420
02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:33,400
documents this year. So, maybe we just
continue with a a binder so that we can

1421
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:36,240
add to it as you go.
Um

1422
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:40,040
but there was a lot of work that needed
to be done. And then we have to go

1423
02:30:37,960 --> 02:30:44,520
through and prioritize them against all
the criteria that's existing.

1424
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:47,640
» Okay. So, quick question for you then
because time [clears throat] is of the

1425
02:30:46,440 --> 02:30:51,920
essence.
And we didn't all complete. Which one of

1426
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:54,320
these works best for you? Two, three, or
four?

1427
02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:58,640
Like honestly, like it's it's

1428
02:31:02,680 --> 02:31:10,480
» Uh Yeah, to to be honest, the four is
>> Okay.

1429
02:31:08,520 --> 02:31:16,040
» Less is more for us right now. Yeah.
>> And four was operating.

1430
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:21,600
And how much was capital there?
>> There was four operating No, that was

1431
02:31:19,160 --> 02:31:24,800
three operating and two capital.
>> So, two capital

1432
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:28,360
and three operating.

1433
02:31:29,240 --> 02:31:31,800
Okay, so not knowing which ones they
are,

1434
02:31:31,505 --> 02:31:34,520
» [clears throat]
>> as far as I'm concerned, I'm I'm good

1435
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:38,040
with
you, but

1436
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:43,120
that's up to everybody else here.
Need to

1437
02:31:39,640 --> 02:31:43,120
see everybody else's opinion.

1438
02:31:49,600 --> 02:31:53,080
» Councillor Billingsley.
>> Thank you.

1439
02:31:55,520 --> 02:32:04,680
I um will support
four. I think that

1440
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:10,240
um that is the majority of council.
Um we're given the opportunity to

1441
02:32:08,200 --> 02:32:14,960
straw poll it,
whatever that means,

1442
02:32:11,960 --> 02:32:14,960
and

1443
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:22,880
if the answer is four,
send it in. If the if those four people

1444
02:32:20,680 --> 02:32:27,280
agreed on those,
my vote would be to carry forward with

1445
02:32:25,160 --> 02:32:29,920
the ones that were agreed by all four
that voted.

1446
02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:42,955
» Any other questions? Sorry, Joe.
>> No, it's okay.

1447
02:32:40,936 --> 02:32:42,955
» [laughter]

1448
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:51,480
» So, we don't have a motion on the table
anymore cuz you've withdrawn

1449
02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:56,360
» I withdrawn the motion and I challenge
the room to identify and and provide

1450
02:32:53,160 --> 02:33:01,640
direction as to
whether administration works on

1451
02:32:58,760 --> 02:33:04,680
41 or 14 or five.
>> Councillor Billingsley.

1452
02:33:05,240 --> 02:33:13,800
» Thank you. Uh I move
that city council directs administration

1453
02:33:11,360 --> 02:33:20,960
to move forward on business case
identified

1454
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:20,960
by unanimous straw vote.

1455
02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:26,000
That's awful, but
point is made.

1456
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:29,440
» Councillor White.

1457
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:38,480
» Thank you, Mayor Branco.
My colleague, Councillor Billingsley,

1458
02:33:35,880 --> 02:33:42,520
beat me to it cuz I think I would have
preferred three just cuz I'm a I'm

1459
02:33:40,280 --> 02:33:46,400
afraid there's there was so many good
business cases or interesting, I don't

1460
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:50,680
know if good we
wasn't in a place to evaluate that, but

1461
02:33:48,520 --> 02:33:55,240
there's some there are some interesting
ideas on the table that I

1462
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:59,720
regret that we're going to lose sight of
if we only go with the four, and I

1463
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:03,960
would
>> Well, you can

1464
02:34:01,160 --> 02:34:07,320
» I'd support I'd support the
the

1465
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:12,720
14 cases
as indicated by three votes

1466
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:18,240
in the those of us who
submitted our

1467
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:22,560
interest in the business cases.
>> Thank you. Sue.

1468
02:34:19,880 --> 02:34:27,800
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um just to um
speak to Councillor White's concerns,

1469
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:33,040
anything that doesn't make it
above the line goes to unfunded. And

1470
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:38,040
then um Council always has an
opportunity to pull it forward whenever

1471
02:34:35,080 --> 02:34:41,560
you want. It just it gets um more
complicated the closer we get to

1472
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:46,080
approval that we can't get you more
accurate information the longer we wait.

1473
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:49,920
So, we won't lose sight of it, and maybe
it's something that we plan

1474
02:34:48,160 --> 02:34:54,440
to flush out a little bit more over the
next year, and then it could come back

1475
02:34:51,480 --> 02:34:54,440
to the next budget.

1476
02:34:55,240 --> 02:35:00,720
» Councillor Aberley.
>> Thank you, Mayor Branco. And that's what

1477
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:04,760
I was going to say um through the chair
to

1478
02:35:01,840 --> 02:35:04,760
Councillor White is

1479
02:35:05,440 --> 02:35:13,320
I don't think putting always putting
something off is a good thing, but

1480
02:35:09,080 --> 02:35:18,200
rushing into things also, so
Council goes by really quickly. Our four

1481
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:22,920
years will go by stupid quick.
But I don't think we need to race into

1482
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:26,480
a million ideas now while we're still
trying to look at the corporate get the

1483
02:35:24,600 --> 02:35:30,560
corporate business plan
do all of this. And as I continue to sit

1484
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:34,560
here
where I first said three I'm now going

1485
02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:40,680
to four because I think that those
numbers are really good for a budget

1486
02:35:38,200 --> 02:35:45,760
discussion at this point and that we
make sure it's

1487
02:35:42,360 --> 02:35:51,640
a robust discussion and not us just
going through the motions of reading all

1488
02:35:47,480 --> 02:35:51,640
of the stuff that has to get read.

1489
02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:55,160
» Thank you.
>> Councilor White.

1490
02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:04,720
» No further comment for now.
>> Okay, so

1491
02:36:02,920 --> 02:36:08,000
the motion is
Councilor Billingsley, can you repeat

1492
02:36:06,040 --> 02:36:12,480
the motion since Councilor Neilsen
withdrew his?

1493
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:12,480
» Sure.

1494
02:36:13,360 --> 02:36:19,160
I move that city council directs
administration

1495
02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:22,760
to move forward
on the Oh, look at that. Thank you.

1496
02:36:21,320 --> 02:36:27,480
Directs administration move forward on
business cases that received unanimous

1497
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:27,480
drop hole.

1498
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:31,640
» Okay, all of those in favor?

1499
02:36:32,153 --> 02:36:34,173
» [clears throat]

1500
02:36:34,480 --> 02:36:41,480
» Any questions?
>> Well, any questions?

1501
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:41,480
Councilor Neilsen.

1502
02:36:43,560 --> 02:36:47,800
» At the risk of being booed out of this
room

1503
02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:59,440
because I I happen to agree with
Councilor White and and

1504
02:36:56,200 --> 02:36:59,440
and and hence

1505
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:05,920
when Mark and I were talking and and he
said I'll whittle mine down and I said

1506
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:08,960
no, don't leave them in because there's
some good ideas there.

1507
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:15,280
I don't mean know why I'm saying this.
Um

1508
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:24,840
But there's 41
Sorry, there's

1509
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:29,480
If we consider three or more,
there's four and 10. Is that correct?

1510
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:32,760
» Correct.
>> I would love to give all of my

1511
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:35,880
colleagues an opportunity to feed into
this

1512
02:37:34,480 --> 02:37:38,760
um
conversation.

1513
02:37:39,680 --> 02:37:44,720
I threw out some pretty broad remarks
earlier this morning.

1514
02:37:44,920 --> 02:37:47,680
And

1515
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:53,840
in spite of that, I value
everyone's opinion in this room.

1516
02:37:56,120 --> 02:38:03,360
And I don't know how soon we would take
those four business cases and 10

1517
02:38:01,080 --> 02:38:09,080
business cases and circulate them
amongst us one more kick at the cat and

1518
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:09,080
get a true

1519
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:14,200
straw poll
from seven counselors.

1520
02:38:14,880 --> 02:38:17,960
I don't know if they're able to.

1521
02:38:20,320 --> 02:38:26,680
» Counselor Aberle.
>> Thank you, sir. Through the chair to

1522
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:32,040
Counselor Neilsen, I respectfully
vehemently disagree.

1523
02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:37,560
Um and
the reason for that is administration

1524
02:38:35,480 --> 02:38:43,920
wanted us to have it done
um I can't do What was that? July 28th?

1525
02:38:41,360 --> 02:38:48,560
Was they wanted it to do us
They wanted

1526
02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:52,400
us to do it on the 28th.
We asked for the 31st.

1527
02:38:54,120 --> 02:38:56,920
I

1528
02:38:57,000 --> 02:39:04,800
did not
make that a responsibility of my week

1529
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:11,160
that week and I
believe I do not have the right to the

1530
02:39:07,960 --> 02:39:15,920
input anymore. I want to give my input
on number of votes because I like to

1531
02:39:13,320 --> 02:39:19,680
always have something to say, but
enough is enough. Administration is

1532
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:23,200
always waiting for us to make up our
mind.

1533
02:39:21,800 --> 02:39:28,120
» That's fair.
>> Thank you. So, the motion on the floor

1534
02:39:25,360 --> 02:39:28,120
is

1535
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:32,240
Could somebody Counselor Billingsley
>> Thank you.

1536
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:35,200
» Can you read that again, please?
>> that. I move that council directs

1537
02:39:33,840 --> 02:39:39,720
administration to move forward on
business cases that received unanimous

1538
02:39:37,880 --> 02:39:45,000
straw poll.
>> Thank you.

1539
02:39:41,840 --> 02:39:45,000
All of those in favor?

1540
02:39:46,920 --> 02:39:53,280
Carried.
Thank you.

1541
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:53,280
Per diems.

1542
02:39:53,320 --> 02:39:57,160
» Thank you.
>> Counselor Billingsley

1543
02:39:55,000 --> 02:40:03,680
» Thank you. Um
through the chair to council back in

1544
02:40:00,400 --> 02:40:08,800
October, November of last year,
um during budget, we talked about

1545
02:40:05,560 --> 02:40:14,000
changing the way that council
um calculates its per diems. We created

1546
02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:14,000
buckets

1547
02:40:14,040 --> 02:40:17,240
out of

1548
02:40:17,800 --> 02:40:23,960
concern, I guess, of how much council
was spending, but not necessarily

1549
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:29,280
purposely
looking at reasonable amount other than

1550
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:33,400
pulling numbers
um

1551
02:40:30,680 --> 02:40:33,400
based on

1552
02:40:35,400 --> 02:40:43,360
gut feelings, I guess.
And now what's happened is um

1553
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:48,000
some councilors, and I'll speak to this
shortly, um certainly has taken on more

1554
02:40:46,320 --> 02:40:52,000
responsibilities
and have a lot more committee work than

1555
02:40:50,480 --> 02:40:56,840
some others.
And

1556
02:40:54,120 --> 02:41:00,960
I would hate to penalize
um

1557
02:40:57,520 --> 02:41:03,360
councilors from doing good work just
because the fact

1558
02:41:02,600 --> 02:41:06,640
um
they are

1559
02:41:05,360 --> 02:41:09,360
um
busier than

1560
02:41:08,120 --> 02:41:14,680
what we anticipated [clears throat]
would be a reasonable amount to have uh

1561
02:41:12,680 --> 02:41:19,320
for per diems.
Um the second motion that I'm going to

1562
02:41:17,160 --> 02:41:24,920
bring forward actually speaks to myself
as well uh taking it on MCMC and

1563
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:30,280
um
part of that will be extra expenses

1564
02:41:28,200 --> 02:41:30,280
um

1565
02:41:30,840 --> 02:41:37,160
that will incur.
So, having said all of that, I'm going

1566
02:41:35,320 --> 02:41:42,280
to make my first motion
and that is

1567
02:41:39,120 --> 02:41:48,640
I move to add $2,000 to Councillor
Hoyles' budget being funded from the

1568
02:41:44,960 --> 02:41:48,640
contingency reserve.

1569
02:41:52,280 --> 02:41:58,160
And I will briefly speak to that in the
sense of

1570
02:41:56,320 --> 02:42:03,600
um
she has

1571
02:41:59,480 --> 02:42:08,520
stepped up and is on
many committees

1572
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:12,360
and boards.
And I would hate for her to say, "Yeah,

1573
02:42:10,280 --> 02:42:15,840
I'm not going to do it because I'm not
going to be compensated for it." It's

1574
02:42:14,080 --> 02:42:21,560
good work
and I truly believe that she should be

1575
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:25,240
compensated for the
time that she spends doing this work.

1576
02:42:25,520 --> 02:42:31,800
» Councillor Hoyles.
>> I'd like to speak to that, too. Um

1577
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:37,120
and I never want to use the word I was
new then, however, I was. Didn't really

1578
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:43,680
I understood what the per diems were. I
did not understand the bucket system.

1579
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:50,400
Um and so when we look at our buckets,
my per diem and per diem training adds

1580
02:42:46,200 --> 02:42:53,640
up to um $3,300.
My meetings alone add up to 30 meetings

1581
02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:57,400
a year,
which are an average of $3,000. So,

1582
02:42:55,880 --> 02:43:02,200
right there, and that's an average
meaning if those meetings go long, those

1583
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:06,000
amounts go up. Um that doesn't include S
tab training, um any other training I do

1584
02:43:04,680 --> 02:43:10,680
through those committees, a strat
planning, anything else. Um and we're

1585
02:43:08,480 --> 02:43:16,280
going into budget, which of course those
are extras as well. So, um

1586
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:19,720
because they've been divided out versus
I think what I understand it used to be

1587
02:43:17,800 --> 02:43:23,720
just a pot, and you would just take what
you needed as far as per diems, travel,

1588
02:43:22,240 --> 02:43:27,840
training out of it.
But because those have been divided out,

1589
02:43:25,960 --> 02:43:32,880
those pots are not going to last to the
end of the year, and I may not be the

1590
02:43:29,440 --> 02:43:32,880
only one. I'm not quite sure.

1591
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:41,720
» Councillor
Aberley.

1592
02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:47,520
» Thank you, just sir through the chair to
Councillor Billinsley.

1593
02:43:44,040 --> 02:43:47,520
Why out of contingency?

1594
02:43:51,560 --> 02:43:57,640
Is that when and the reason I asked the
question, I will be a little more

1595
02:43:55,080 --> 02:44:03,000
specific, is I am
100% guaranteed to be nowhere near

1596
02:44:01,920 --> 02:44:07,960
um
cuz I sit on one committee. Well, I S D

1597
02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:12,560
A D B training, but I didn't
I did that last term. Um

1598
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:15,400
so, I'm guaranteed to be nowhere near
spending all my money, which is a good

1599
02:44:14,200 --> 02:44:20,400
thing at the end of the year because
there's going to be an excess. So, does

1600
02:44:18,120 --> 02:44:26,480
our excess go into contingency, or are
we taking it in and out of the same pot?

1601
02:44:22,920 --> 02:44:30,120
» And and I thought about that as well is
you we certainly I mean, council can

1602
02:44:28,360 --> 02:44:33,120
direct where the money comes from. We
could pull it from yours, could pull it

1603
02:44:31,720 --> 02:44:36,120
from whoever's.
Um but in the end, if it's not spent,

1604
02:44:35,160 --> 02:44:39,040
guess where it goes.
>> Okay. So, thank you. That helps me make

1605
02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:42,400
» Right.
>> my decision.

1606
02:44:39,880 --> 02:44:45,120
» then we then at the end of the year when
budget, we could say, "Okay, wait a

1607
02:44:43,960 --> 02:44:49,320
second.
Um let's take a look at exactly how much

1608
02:44:47,840 --> 02:44:55,480
we actually need to put into these
buckets, or potentially um

1609
02:44:52,920 --> 02:45:00,800
combining the buckets and not having
four or five different buckets

1610
02:44:57,960 --> 02:45:00,800
come budget time.

1611
02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:10,120
» Councilor Elder.
>> I need some help and some clarity.

1612
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:14,280
So I didn't understand this when we
first got elected. You had I believe you

1613
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:17,880
had
and I still don't even know to this day

1614
02:45:16,320 --> 02:45:20,160
what my limit is.
Um

1615
02:45:21,080 --> 02:45:27,440
Did we Did you reduce it from 3,000 to
1,500

1616
02:45:25,240 --> 02:45:30,960
when we first started?
>> Sorry, could you repeat that?

1617
02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:30,960
» Sure.

1618
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:36,720
Per diems was the mic It's on.
I have to talk louder.

1619
02:45:35,480 --> 02:45:40,040
Um
I'm trying to understand the per diems

1620
02:45:38,200 --> 02:45:43,520
because I I don't really understand it.
I got to be honest with you. I sit on a

1621
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:49,360
few boards.
Um

1622
02:45:45,800 --> 02:45:49,360
So the last council

1623
02:45:50,320 --> 02:45:57,920
were you allotted up to $3,000
for per diems per year?

1624
02:45:55,880 --> 02:45:59,680
» To be honest with you, I have no idea
what that

1625
02:45:58,440 --> 02:46:02,080
» I don't know why that number sticks
there.

1626
02:46:00,760 --> 02:46:06,120
But whatever that number was for, I
think

1627
02:46:03,240 --> 02:46:09,200
we voted on reducing it to 1,500.
Is that correct?

1628
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:13,640
» I think it's 1,800.
>> Okay, I I and again, I don't know the

1629
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:16,960
number. I I truly don't. Um
So I'm going to the meetings and I

1630
02:46:14,800 --> 02:46:21,200
haven't been claiming the per diems, so
you'll have extras there as well.

1631
02:46:19,400 --> 02:46:26,000
I I just would like clarity on how it
all works if you don't mind cuz I I just

1632
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:29,520
I really don't understand.
>> in the policy as to

1633
02:46:28,040 --> 02:46:33,840
» Yeah, and I haven't looked at that, so
>> but it also Council has the ability at

1634
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:37,920
any time
to request money.

1635
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:40,040
» I have 100 grand?
>> You You're just kidding. At any point,

1636
02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:44,400
right?
>> 15

1637
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:48,320
» I mean, that is
something that we can do. And that was

1638
02:46:46,320 --> 02:46:52,440
even brought up when we talked about
this at budget.

1639
02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:56,840
» Yeah, just enlighten me here cuz I'm
forgetting, right? New Lots going on, so

1640
02:46:55,160 --> 02:47:00,120
just I'm just looking for clarity. I can
go look it up.

1641
02:46:58,920 --> 02:47:02,080
» Can I ask you a quick question through
you?

1642
02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:07,440
» Sure.
>> So, before we had

1643
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:13,280
one big pot
and every counselor dipped into it

1644
02:47:10,880 --> 02:47:17,520
into the one big pot to get professional
development and for their committee

1645
02:47:15,960 --> 02:47:22,200
work.
And

1646
02:47:19,440 --> 02:47:27,040
it didn't There was no limits.
If six other counselors didn't use the

1647
02:47:23,920 --> 02:47:32,080
money, I could use mine and all theirs.
And we said at the budget, we need to be

1648
02:47:29,040 --> 02:47:37,120
able to put some limits on how much.
And we tried working with administration

1649
02:47:34,600 --> 02:47:41,000
and sorted out
how much money should we set aside for

1650
02:47:38,840 --> 02:47:45,680
professional development and how much we
should set aside for our committee work

1651
02:47:43,280 --> 02:47:50,440
and responsibilities in that way.
And so, as Dean said earlier, we sort of

1652
02:47:49,040 --> 02:47:54,560
licked the finger and put it in the wind
and said, "Let's put this much money in

1653
02:47:52,160 --> 02:48:00,080
the professional development fund and
this much money into our per diems and

1654
02:47:58,400 --> 02:48:04,520
committee work."
And so, it was our best guess, but we

1655
02:48:02,440 --> 02:48:08,640
also were assuming that committee work
would be distributed pretty evenly

1656
02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:11,720
and in some cases that has not been the
case.

1657
02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:16,960
So, some counselors by virtue of the
number of committees they're on are

1658
02:48:13,320 --> 02:48:16,960
burning through their per diem money

1659
02:48:17,160 --> 02:48:21,520
at at a rate that halfway through the
year they're out of it.

1660
02:48:20,440 --> 02:48:26,440
So, then the question becomes, do they
stop going to the meetings or did we

1661
02:48:24,600 --> 02:48:29,680
make a mistake when we licked our finger
and put it in the wind and to put money

1662
02:48:28,040 --> 02:48:34,680
into those two pots?
And I think where we're at now is

1663
02:48:32,960 --> 02:48:38,520
Wendy is in a position where because
you're on three committees

1664
02:48:36,720 --> 02:48:42,840
um
and you and I, Mark, are on committees

1665
02:48:40,760 --> 02:48:46,560
and one of the committees we get paid
not through our per diem system, we

1666
02:48:44,240 --> 02:48:50,000
actually get paid by uh
>> Bethany Group.

1667
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:54,720
» Um and
so we're not drawing down our

1668
02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:58,280
per diem money as quickly as say Wendy
is. So

1669
02:48:56,480 --> 02:49:01,040
I think what Dean is saying is that
we're going to have to re-examine this

1670
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:04,600
at budget time, but until we get to
budget time

1671
02:49:02,400 --> 02:49:07,440
how do we address the fact that some
some

1672
02:49:06,440 --> 02:49:13,480
of us
are going to have our per diems spent

1673
02:49:12,200 --> 02:49:19,520
where other people who don't have as
many committees

1674
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:19,520
simply aren't spending their dollars.

1675
02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:28,040
» Councillor Wyatt.
>> This is also why I asked to have the

1676
02:49:24,480 --> 02:49:32,400
process for organizational meeting
addressed as well as per diem so that

1677
02:49:30,480 --> 02:49:36,120
this can be taken care of before we have
our organizational meeting and before

1678
02:49:34,040 --> 02:49:38,520
budget so that this doesn't happen
again.

1679
02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:44,520
» Councillor Wyatt.

1680
02:49:46,600 --> 02:49:49,640
» Thank you Mayor Branco.

1681
02:49:49,880 --> 02:49:57,840
Through the chair to council, I don't
know if I can support this because I'm

1682
02:49:54,280 --> 02:50:02,320
not confident that I understand that we
don't have this money already budgeted

1683
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:07,480
and allocated.
It just we've made

1684
02:50:05,720 --> 02:50:10,560
through our
by our

1685
02:50:08,840 --> 02:50:15,800
I believe it's a
policy for our council remuneration,

1686
02:50:13,720 --> 02:50:19,920
we've set some limits, but as far as
what was budgeted we maybe are still

1687
02:50:18,760 --> 02:50:22,680
within
the

1688
02:50:20,720 --> 02:50:26,840
amount allocated to the budget and so
instead of

1689
02:50:24,520 --> 02:50:29,640
approving money to come from reserves
for this

1690
02:50:28,040 --> 02:50:33,360
I would be
more ready to support

1691
02:50:33,480 --> 02:50:42,280
contra some way to contravene our
uh policy to allow

1692
02:50:39,960 --> 02:50:46,440
counselors to
claim

1693
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:51,680
beyond the amounts set
set out that we amended back in

1694
02:50:49,280 --> 02:50:55,440
October, November.
Sorry, that isn't real clear.

1695
02:50:55,720 --> 02:51:03,040
» Councillor Billingsley.
>> Thank you. Um through the chair to

1696
02:50:59,920 --> 02:51:03,040
Councillor White, I

1697
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:09,920
I'm okay with that, and I'm wondering
then if

1698
02:51:07,280 --> 02:51:15,000
an amendment needs to happen to have
administration

1699
02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:15,000
um

1700
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:24,040
No amendment to my motion because my
motion states to come up from um

1701
02:51:20,720 --> 02:51:24,040
contingency reserve.

1702
02:51:24,400 --> 02:51:27,840
Potentially could I mean

1703
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:38,040
Yes, could but then who decide
No, I know you have money left over,

1704
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:38,040
right?

1705
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:43,840
» She wants to give you her money.
>> She's got She's got some suggestions.

1706
02:51:41,840 --> 02:51:52,960
» But where I'm going with this is I do
know that administration has the ability

1707
02:51:47,560 --> 02:51:52,960
to be able to move money around within

1708
02:51:53,200 --> 02:51:56,680
Right. Yes. So

1709
02:52:04,160 --> 02:52:09,720
But where would the money come from?
>> My money.

1710
02:52:07,640 --> 02:52:12,120
» Right. And who decides that?
>> I but

1711
02:52:10,880 --> 02:52:14,400
I would like
Why?

1712
02:52:17,360 --> 02:52:23,960
» Councillor Aberley.
>> Thank you, sir.

1713
02:52:21,880 --> 02:52:30,120
Through the chair to council
I know this isn't my money in the sense

1714
02:52:26,280 --> 02:52:32,600
that I that is my money, but it is my
money

1715
02:52:32,760 --> 02:52:42,680
to spend if that's what's been allotted
to me. So, if I say to council

1716
02:52:38,880 --> 02:52:42,680
I would like to

1717
02:52:44,120 --> 02:52:51,920
I
would like to do a friendly amendment to

1718
02:52:48,880 --> 02:52:56,440
Councillor Billingsley's
amendment that says not to come out of

1719
02:52:54,120 --> 02:53:02,200
contingency, but to have it transferred
from Councillor Aberley's

1720
02:52:59,440 --> 02:53:07,200
line to Councillor Hoyles' line. The
money has

1721
02:53:03,560 --> 02:53:11,520
not changed within a year.
And and I know I have the money. There

1722
02:53:09,800 --> 02:53:16,920
could be other years where we have to
ask administration, is there money left?

1723
02:53:14,800 --> 02:53:21,800
But only because my group doesn't meet
as often and it's one group and I didn't

1724
02:53:20,040 --> 02:53:25,800
need to use my training money.
I haven't taken anything out of my

1725
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:32,880
account. So,
I have no problem my line being $2,000

1726
02:53:29,720 --> 02:53:39,600
no, being the same, but that
Councillor Hoyles' part of Councillor

1727
02:53:35,640 --> 02:53:42,400
Hoyles' payment comes out of my line.
>> If I may

1728
02:53:41,160 --> 02:53:46,760
» No.
Administration hates that.

1729
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:50,600
» So, if I may
that's totally contradictory to what

1730
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:54,800
we're supposed to be doing.
We get paid for showing up and doing

1731
02:53:52,640 --> 02:54:00,320
that. You don't show up, you you don't
get paid. That was I'm sorry, that is

1732
02:53:57,800 --> 02:54:04,400
for training for you. Then it comes to
the point that if some of us don't go

1733
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:09,440
into courses, we can just give our money
to one of our buddies. I'd rather have

1734
02:54:07,080 --> 02:54:13,760
it coming out of someplace else.
>> Sir, I'm not talking about training. I'm

1735
02:54:11,080 --> 02:54:17,040
talking about committees and
s-

1736
02:54:14,560 --> 02:54:20,760
committee work or we are doing work of
council.

1737
02:54:19,440 --> 02:54:25,200
And
I knew that this situation was going to

1738
02:54:23,040 --> 02:54:31,120
happen with me when I brought this up at
the organizational meeting.

1739
02:54:27,720 --> 02:54:34,040
I I was going to be nowhere near my
use limit.

1740
02:54:38,320 --> 02:54:46,520
» Councilor Sue, go ahead.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um two things

1741
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:50,560
just for proper accounting, we would do
um a transfer, a GL transfer internally

1742
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:53,440
um
rather than just letting her charge to

1743
02:54:52,120 --> 02:54:58,160
your GL.
Um but the second part of that is

1744
02:54:56,600 --> 02:55:01,440
um
this year we should be better because

1745
02:55:00,280 --> 02:55:05,040
you're going to have your organizational
meeting before you approve your budget.

1746
02:55:03,480 --> 02:55:08,600
And so we'll know who sits on what
committees and we'll be able to tailor

1747
02:55:06,560 --> 02:55:13,800
your budget to your committee work,
whereas in the election year we had no

1748
02:55:11,400 --> 02:55:19,560
idea who was going to be on what. And so
the budget was just the same across the

1749
02:55:15,560 --> 02:55:23,800
board. Where if we know ahead of time um
we can quickly make those adjustments in

1750
02:55:22,040 --> 02:55:28,400
your budgets and it'll reflect the
committee work that you're plan to sit

1751
02:55:25,640 --> 02:55:32,040
on for the following year. So if you
only have one, your budget is going to

1752
02:55:30,120 --> 02:55:34,760
be less than someone who has three or
four.

1753
02:55:33,360 --> 02:55:38,080
But we didn't have that luxury at the
election year.

1754
02:55:36,080 --> 02:55:40,600
» That makes sense.
>> Councilor Bear Easley.

1755
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:45,640
» Thank you. Through the chair to
administration then uh need a little

1756
02:55:42,840 --> 02:55:51,880
help from the funding model then what
would be the best way to describe

1757
02:55:48,520 --> 02:55:51,880
that you reallocate?

1758
02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:59,520
» I you could keep the motion the same and
then just instead of funding it from

1759
02:55:57,320 --> 02:56:03,640
contingency, it would be a GL transfer
from Councilor Aberley to Councilor

1760
02:56:01,240 --> 02:56:03,640
Hoyle.

1761
02:56:04,840 --> 02:56:13,000
» I wonder if we don't specifically don't
say counts because of the fact that may

1762
02:56:11,480 --> 02:56:15,280
maybe
there isn't enough in her

1763
02:56:14,920 --> 02:56:17,960
» Um
>> bucket. And I'm not saying that there is

1764
02:56:17,360 --> 02:56:22,800
» Yeah, I understand.
>> Right? Just reallocate.

1765
02:56:20,520 --> 02:56:24,720
And then you can decide of where it
needs to be.

1766
02:56:24,120 --> 02:56:30,160
» Yeah, you can
>> maybe two or three transactions.

1767
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:33,480
» Councillor Hoyle, Councillor Aberley,
then Councillor White.

1768
02:56:32,240 --> 02:56:38,440
» Um
I do want to say that just

1769
02:56:36,400 --> 02:56:43,400
for numbers, so that the public knows,
our per diems for the year $1,800.

1770
02:56:41,440 --> 02:56:46,920
So, as I said, for 30 meetings, the
1,800 is depleted fairly quickly, and

1771
02:56:45,320 --> 02:56:49,840
that doesn't include strat planning,
budget, whatever.

1772
02:56:48,280 --> 02:56:54,720
There may be other counselors that are
going to be in the same position as me

1773
02:56:52,040 --> 02:56:59,120
is it or they may very well be now if
they haven't seen the same paperwork as

1774
02:56:56,640 --> 02:56:59,120
I have.

1775
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:07,720
» Councillor Aberley.
>> Uh thank you, sir.

1776
02:57:05,040 --> 02:57:12,280
Through the chair to the mayor,
Mayor Branco, do you understand and it's

1777
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:17,480
may that may have came out come out
wrong. I agreed completely with your

1778
02:57:14,480 --> 02:57:21,400
last comment that if I am in training
and I have money for my training, that

1779
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:26,400
is the money for my training and if I
don't use it, it goes back into

1780
02:57:24,200 --> 02:57:29,720
contingency.
So, I agreed with that, but that how

1781
02:57:28,120 --> 02:57:33,400
this is different, I just want to make
sure that

1782
02:57:31,800 --> 02:57:39,560
you and I are both talking about the
same thing, that this is for um

1783
02:57:37,280 --> 02:57:46,000
committee work that or yes, committee
work that has already been done because

1784
02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:50,560
some counselors have
are on committees that have a larger

1785
02:57:48,680 --> 02:57:56,760
time commitment.
So, it's not really me giving away money

1786
02:57:53,640 --> 02:58:04,280
I didn't use, it's me giving away money,
not giving away, it's not even me. It is

1787
02:58:00,920 --> 02:58:12,240
there is a big pool from which we all
attend committees and our work.

1788
02:58:08,320 --> 02:58:17,880
And that needs to reflect, as Sue said,
what our actual appointments are in a

1789
02:58:14,200 --> 02:58:21,920
given year, rather than cuz I was given
too much money that I was never going to

1790
02:58:19,960 --> 02:58:27,440
be able to use.
>> And and I and I agree with you 100% and

1791
02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:34,400
I rather see that we have let's say we
have $20,000 for a pool for a council

1792
02:58:31,560 --> 02:58:38,560
training education all committees and we
draw from that.

1793
02:58:36,360 --> 02:58:43,600
Those who go get it from that that
department. And then if we all if we all

1794
02:58:41,440 --> 02:58:48,680
got to come out and if we run out then
we got to come back and do this why not

1795
02:58:45,800 --> 02:58:52,560
just put money into an account and
everybody draws out of that account.

1796
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:59,440
Like a piggy bank.
We put $20,000 in a piggy bank.

1797
02:58:57,480 --> 02:59:02,240
If we make it we make it we don't then
we can have a motion to come and borrow

1798
02:59:01,040 --> 02:59:08,160
more money.
That's what we're doing.

1799
02:59:04,040 --> 02:59:11,880
But to shift it around it seems like
to me I'm going to give you my I haven't

1800
02:59:10,280 --> 02:59:18,040
gone anywhere so am I going to give mine
to to Mark or to Elder or to

1801
02:59:14,920 --> 02:59:21,000
Wendy? Just put it in that pot and take
it out of the pot.

1802
02:59:21,720 --> 02:59:24,560
Councilor White.

1803
02:59:26,440 --> 02:59:32,480
» Thank you Mayor Branco.
Thank you to administration who just

1804
02:59:29,760 --> 02:59:39,080
sent the summary so that I could see
even where I'm at and what my um

1805
02:59:36,160 --> 02:59:39,080
allocation is.

1806
02:59:39,120 --> 02:59:47,200
I see object codes and I think I heard
somebody I think I heard someone say

1807
02:59:44,680 --> 02:59:52,160
each counselor has separate GL accounts
is did I hear that correctly?

1808
02:59:49,320 --> 02:59:52,160
» That is correct.

1809
02:59:52,840 --> 02:59:58,160
» Yeah, no but the
object code is different than GL

1810
02:59:56,520 --> 03:00:00,800
account?
Question mark?

1811
02:59:59,360 --> 03:00:03,520
» Yes.
There's

1812
03:00:02,320 --> 03:00:06,840
there's a whole pile of numbers that
aren't shown on there.

1813
03:00:04,600 --> 03:00:06,840
» Yeah.

1814
03:00:09,160 --> 03:00:16,400
» So object code is just the last part of
what the actual GL is. Each one of you

1815
03:00:14,400 --> 03:00:19,120
has um
>> So that can I ask the object

1816
03:00:18,240 --> 03:00:24,520
» ahead.
>> The object code that is

1817
03:00:21,160 --> 03:00:27,680
51550 per diems, is that
whatever all the numbers are in front of

1818
03:00:26,080 --> 03:00:31,280
it,
is that only related to council per

1819
03:00:29,240 --> 03:00:34,200
diems?
>> Uh

1820
03:00:32,840 --> 03:00:38,160
yes, because you're the only ones that
get per diems, but something like

1821
03:00:35,640 --> 03:00:42,640
training or travel, that that's the same
code through the entire organization.

1822
03:00:40,400 --> 03:00:44,240
» Well, train Okay, but training has a
different code.

1823
03:00:43,760 --> 03:00:46,880
» Right.
>> Travel has a different code.

1824
03:00:45,520 --> 03:00:49,720
» But those aren't just specific to
council, those are for the whole

1825
03:00:48,120 --> 03:00:53,480
organization. So my code
>> diem the per diem code is not specific

1826
03:00:52,840 --> 03:00:56,680
to council?
>> It is only specific to council. Nobody

1827
03:00:55,520 --> 03:01:02,120
else gets per diems.
>> So whatever is that was there a budgeted

1828
03:00:59,360 --> 03:01:05,040
amount that's related to that 51550
object code?

1829
03:01:05,200 --> 03:01:09,000
» Yes, for each councilor.

1830
03:01:13,160 --> 03:01:20,000
And the budget is on that first line in
line or column D?

1831
03:01:17,280 --> 03:01:20,000
» Column, yeah.

1832
03:01:22,880 --> 03:01:26,920
» While we're asking
>> Okay, I still don't think I can support

1833
03:01:24,880 --> 03:01:32,840
this based on how it's what I've seen
written in what I've seen allocated,

1834
03:01:28,960 --> 03:01:37,920
although I support the concept that
councilors should be able to claim for

1835
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:37,920
the work that they do.

1836
03:01:39,360 --> 03:01:44,360
» So
Is there a motion on the on the floor?

1837
03:01:43,800 --> 03:01:49,806
» Yes.
>> I'll still might have questions.

1838
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:53,440
» Okay, go ahead, counselor Elder.
[clears throat]

1839
03:01:50,000 --> 03:01:53,440
» So I'm just looking at mine.

1840
03:01:55,600 --> 03:02:01,600
So I did mine late in 25.
Right?

1841
03:02:02,240 --> 03:02:10,240
Didn't claim them.
Got paid in January of

1842
03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:10,240
20 of this year.

1843
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:17,400
That shows me that I owe money.

1844
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:22,160
Where I look at it and say, well, maybe
I'm

1845
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:26,000
Well, it's my mistake for not claiming
on time first of all, not understanding

1846
03:02:23,920 --> 03:02:30,880
it. So, that's that's my fault.
This looks like more of an admin problem

1847
03:02:28,440 --> 03:02:35,360
putting last year's work when we started
into this year's, but that falls on me

1848
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:39,720
cuz I filed it late.
And you were nice enough to pay it. So,

1849
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:44,480
fair enough. Thank you.
Um

1850
03:02:41,920 --> 03:02:48,480
So, how does that work?
>> To this motion?

1851
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:53,320
» No, that's what we're dealing with.
>> Okay. Let's deal with that motion and

1852
03:02:50,360 --> 03:02:56,880
we'll deal with mine again.
>> So, can we change that?

1853
03:02:58,480 --> 03:03:03,080
Can we change that? Oh.
Can you bring Please bring that back.

1854
03:03:02,000 --> 03:03:06,320
Thank you.
Um funded

1855
03:03:10,160 --> 03:03:14,560
» No, just I would say through
reallocation.

1856
03:03:12,840 --> 03:03:18,840
» Through re- be funded through
reallocation.

1857
03:03:16,720 --> 03:03:18,840
» Okay.

1858
03:03:21,800 --> 03:03:27,640
» Councillor Neilson.
>> Sue, uh sorry, through the chair to Sue.

1859
03:03:28,520 --> 03:03:38,480
And I know we're talking about your
motion in relation to Wendy. Correct?

1860
03:03:35,720 --> 03:03:42,440
And I knew it was going to be close.
And I passed close.

1861
03:03:41,000 --> 03:03:46,920
Are you as well?
Right. And so,

1862
03:03:44,160 --> 03:03:55,320
Sue, I'm wondering, are we better off
rather than piecemealing it now

1863
03:03:50,960 --> 03:03:59,840
to simply allow Wendy or Wayne or Laura
to can you continue our committee work,

1864
03:03:59,960 --> 03:04:07,760
run a deficit
in our in our bucket

1865
03:04:04,920 --> 03:04:12,800
and then do a year-end
transfers necessary.

1866
03:04:11,000 --> 03:04:16,520
You're saying no.
>> Because in the policy, it states and

1867
03:04:15,080 --> 03:04:22,120
this is where
then I'll go back to Councillor Elder

1868
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:30,000
where we said you are responsible. So,
it's critical

1869
03:04:24,360 --> 03:04:30,000
that we allocate dollars to this so that

1870
03:04:31,120 --> 03:04:38,200
um
gets paid.

1871
03:04:35,840 --> 03:04:41,520
Well, but
that we could do, too.

1872
03:04:40,200 --> 03:04:45,320
What was the other one? But that But
that I think is a greater

1873
03:04:48,160 --> 03:04:50,440
» Any further questions?
>> Yes.

1874
03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:54,480
» Oh, yeah.
>> There's lots going on. Yes.

1875
03:04:52,520 --> 03:04:58,480
» Cuz I think the deeper we're going in
there, the more confusing we're getting.

1876
03:04:56,400 --> 03:05:01,080
I like the first one, the GIL or
whatever.

1877
03:05:01,760 --> 03:05:09,400
So, what is the What is the motion?
Dean, can you please read your motion?

1878
03:05:06,480 --> 03:05:15,920
» Certainly. My motion is I move to add
$2,000 to Councillor Hoyle's budget

1879
03:05:12,720 --> 03:05:17,880
being funded through reallocation.
>> Thank you.

1880
03:05:17,600 --> 03:05:24,560
» And I
>> Any debate to that?

1881
03:05:20,680 --> 03:05:24,560
Councillor Nielsen and Councillor White.

1882
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:28,520
» Well, given what we're looking at,

1883
03:05:29,160 --> 03:05:32,680
my friendly amendment

1884
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:41,960
would be to add $3,000
to Councillor White's

1885
03:05:37,440 --> 03:05:44,880
and $3,000 to Councillor Nielsen's.
Because we're all over in our committee

1886
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:50,000
work.
So, we're now talking $9,000.

1887
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:55,160
» You believe you're going to be spending
more than $3,000 between now and

1888
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:55,160
December 31st?

1889
03:05:56,800 --> 03:06:03,240
» I believe I'm going to spend the same
rate that

1890
03:06:00,080 --> 03:06:03,240
Councillor Hoyle is spending.

1891
03:06:04,240 --> 03:06:07,160
» Councillor White.

1892
03:06:13,120 --> 03:06:19,640
» Through the chair to council,
uh thank you to the the information that

1893
03:06:17,280 --> 03:06:27,360
I received by email that each of us now
has visibility of our per diem report.

1894
03:06:23,880 --> 03:06:30,640
I'm already 1450 over. I didn't know
I've like

1895
03:06:28,960 --> 03:06:38,080
I've reached the bottom of my bucket and
beyond. So, 3,000

1896
03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:42,760
is not I unreasonable for if I were to
continue on the same trajectory as

1897
03:06:40,520 --> 03:06:47,040
as I'm on now.
for

1898
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:50,000
spending time on council committees and
special meetings.

1899
03:06:55,080 --> 03:07:00,520
» Is there a friendly amendment to 2,000
to 3,000?

1900
03:07:01,080 --> 03:07:06,480
No, I don't think he's accepting my
friendly amendment, Mr. Mayor.

1901
03:07:04,880 --> 03:07:09,520
He's only worried about He's only
worried about Councillor Hoyle right

1902
03:07:07,880 --> 03:07:15,440
now.
So, let's just give $2,000 to you, to

1903
03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:19,520
Councillor White, and Councillor Hoyle.
Otherwise, we'll be here all night.

1904
03:07:17,400 --> 03:07:22,080
» Well, we haven't included Councillor
Elder.

1905
03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:28,360
Maybe we should get it from him.
>> Sure. Let me get my checkbook.

1906
03:07:28,720 --> 03:07:35,000
I hope not.
>> Councillor Aberley.

1907
03:07:32,560 --> 03:07:38,520
» I want $3,000 now, too, please. And I
apologize and I

1908
03:07:36,720 --> 03:07:41,480
we're all getting punchy, but this is
good. This is where we're getting along.

1909
03:07:39,579 --> 03:07:45,320
[clears throat]
I think

1910
03:07:43,280 --> 03:07:49,200
to sort of
support

1911
03:07:47,160 --> 03:07:52,600
Councillor Neilson's
sort of support Councillor Neilson is

1912
03:07:51,560 --> 03:07:58,880
that
instead of

1913
03:07:55,320 --> 03:08:01,920
at this point naming
individual counselors because we're

1914
03:08:00,360 --> 03:08:09,320
going to have to do this
vote three times.

1915
03:08:04,360 --> 03:08:14,400
Are we being more efficient to say
we raise this number to da da da for

1916
03:08:13,160 --> 03:08:19,080
this year to be taken out of
contingency?

1917
03:08:16,200 --> 03:08:19,080
» That I can support.

1918
03:08:20,160 --> 03:08:26,360
» Councilor White
>> I'd like to build on the

1919
03:08:24,320 --> 03:08:30,800
friendly amendment that
Councilor Aberly has started to suggest.

1920
03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:40,800
I'd like to Would Would you consider
Councilor Billingsley amending this to

1921
03:08:37,960 --> 03:08:43,120
add 5,000?
No.

1922
03:08:45,280 --> 03:08:53,040
I withdraw. I think it needs to be a
policy change and I would be willing to

1923
03:08:49,880 --> 03:08:56,320
to make that motion at a future date.
This is This is too messy for me to

1924
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:58,680
support.
>> Mhm.

1925
03:08:59,960 --> 03:09:07,480
» Councilor Aberly
>> Thank you, sir. Uh through the chair to

1926
03:09:04,480 --> 03:09:14,520
Councilor White
I appreciate exactly. I I agree. It

1927
03:09:10,440 --> 03:09:14,520
There needs to be a policy change.

1928
03:09:20,520 --> 03:09:29,400
And I appreciate your hesitation.
Now to

1929
03:09:26,400 --> 03:09:29,400
administration

1930
03:09:29,640 --> 03:09:38,840
if we wait to
put money into any of these people's

1931
03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:38,840
accounts um

1932
03:09:39,000 --> 03:09:46,120
because we're changing our policy which
is going to be changed in 6 weeks

1933
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:49,960
or not six not 6 weeks but which we're
going to revisit in 6 weeks.

1934
03:09:50,960 --> 03:09:58,080
Any not anyway? Hmm.
We will be looking at this policy during

1935
03:09:56,000 --> 03:10:02,680
the organizational meeting that happens
in 6-8 weeks cuz

1936
03:10:00,120 --> 03:10:02,680
8 weeks?

1937
03:10:02,960 --> 03:10:11,920
My concern right now is will my fellow
councilors

1938
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:17,680
be going to meetings and having it show
that they now owe money because we've

1939
03:10:14,160 --> 03:10:17,680
overpaid them for their

1940
03:10:18,040 --> 03:10:24,520
duties.
So, I appreciate that we need a policy.

1941
03:10:24,760 --> 03:10:30,800
I also appreciate
that the I think the money needs to be

1942
03:10:28,200 --> 03:10:30,800
there now.

1943
03:10:32,080 --> 03:10:36,560
» Councilor Hawaii.
>> Councilor Aberly, or through the chair

1944
03:10:35,120 --> 03:10:40,680
to Councilor Aberly, you are correct
because by our policy, which we brought

1945
03:10:38,560 --> 03:10:44,800
up, if we go over, we have to pay it
back. That's why I was trying to be

1946
03:10:42,120 --> 03:10:48,640
proactive in saying that
I don't want to go there because of

1947
03:10:46,240 --> 03:10:51,960
that. It's a whole 'nother ballgame.
We can ask for it back. We could come

1948
03:10:50,240 --> 03:10:56,600
and ask for it back, and council may
give us grace, but I would just like to

1949
03:10:54,560 --> 03:11:02,240
get ahead of this. I know I have asked
to have it put on, I think

1950
03:11:00,280 --> 03:11:07,160
I'm not quite sure which meeting Is it
September 8th going forward to have a

1951
03:11:04,520 --> 03:11:11,760
further discussion, but as Councilor
White said, she is already over, and I

1952
03:11:09,880 --> 03:11:16,160
believe I probably am by this point
either once we've got our newest amounts

1953
03:11:14,160 --> 03:11:18,360
posted. And Councilor Neilson, have you
checked yours?

1954
03:11:17,240 --> 03:11:21,480
» I'm $50 over right now.
>> He's over right now as well.

1955
03:11:19,600 --> 03:11:25,560
» I'll leave a $50 bill at the door for
>> to our own policy, we must pay this back

1956
03:11:24,280 --> 03:11:28,480
already now.
>> Or you don't get paid

1957
03:11:26,880 --> 03:11:32,520
» Or we don't get paid going Well, and
paying it back because we already are

1958
03:11:30,040 --> 03:11:32,520
over.

1959
03:11:34,080 --> 03:11:39,040
So,
>> See, so what's what's involved in

1960
03:11:36,800 --> 03:11:43,800
changing policy? Is it fairly quick and
easy to do and just change the numbers

1961
03:11:41,080 --> 03:11:46,600
so it it meets cuz you you know, you
you've

1962
03:11:45,520 --> 03:11:49,120
you kind of know what you're doing
monthly.

1963
03:11:51,320 --> 03:11:55,920
» You asking to
What does it change to

1964
03:11:54,560 --> 03:11:58,480
to change the policy?
>> Correct.

1965
03:11:56,840 --> 03:12:01,320
» Well, I would highly recommend studying
it and actually doing some research. I

1966
03:11:59,840 --> 03:12:04,600
don't want to just
change it this afternoon.

1967
03:12:03,400 --> 03:12:07,080
» No, I I I
Again, I'm not asking that.

1968
03:12:06,200 --> 03:12:12,000
» He's He's looking at process.
>> I'm looking at what's involved. Laura

1969
03:12:09,800 --> 03:12:15,560
has has suggested it it should be
policy. I'm just asking what's involved.

1970
03:12:14,160 --> 03:12:18,920
I don't know.
Some of you guys have been here three

1971
03:12:16,760 --> 03:12:21,160
terms. I've been here 6 months. I don't
know.

1972
03:12:23,240 --> 03:12:29,560
» Through administration, how can we pay
these people

1973
03:12:27,760 --> 03:12:32,280
» what they've earned?
>> What they've earned or what they're

1974
03:12:30,680 --> 03:12:38,080
going to pay?
I just we just I know you we can do it.

1975
03:12:35,480 --> 03:12:41,200
We're just finding the proper wording.
Just pretend we're

1976
03:12:39,680 --> 03:12:47,640
uh we're
a business case that we overran and we

1977
03:12:43,400 --> 03:12:47,640
got 15% over budget.

1978
03:12:48,200 --> 03:12:54,840
» Uh through the chair to council, I
I had suggested a few different things,

1979
03:12:53,640 --> 03:13:01,880
some of the stuff that's been brought up
today when this was being reviewed.

1980
03:12:57,520 --> 03:13:06,640
Um and council did not support that, so
council

1981
03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:13,440
um can go against any policy that they
have and give me direction to do

1982
03:13:10,840 --> 03:13:16,680
anything. It's not great governance.
Um

1983
03:13:15,280 --> 03:13:20,360
but there are a number of different
things that we could do with council's

1984
03:13:18,680 --> 03:13:25,880
approval.
Um but even just a couple weeks or

1985
03:13:23,040 --> 03:13:30,560
months ago when we had this discussion,
um council told me stick to the policy,

1986
03:13:28,480 --> 03:13:33,800
send invoices, and that sort of stuff.
So,

1987
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:36,400
uh we will do whatever council wants us
to do.

1988
03:13:34,800 --> 03:13:39,120
Uh the next opportunity obviously to
look at this policy would be September

1989
03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:43,720
8th.
Um and I could send it out by email and

1990
03:13:42,360 --> 03:13:46,680
get everybody to start gathering
thoughts in the meantime so that we

1991
03:13:45,200 --> 03:13:49,920
could have a fruitful discussion on
September 8th.

1992
03:13:48,720 --> 03:13:54,480
Um
so that's probably the quickest you can

1993
03:13:51,480 --> 03:13:57,760
get a policy change. In the meantime
from my bylaw

1994
03:13:56,720 --> 03:14:02,960
although
because if we remember the order, the

1995
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:05,360
hierarchy, um my bylaw does allow me to
um

1996
03:14:03,960 --> 03:14:08,960
transfer money.
Um within I just have to report to

1997
03:14:07,200 --> 03:14:14,760
council that I've done that.
Um and so there are ways that we could

1998
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:19,560
make this work in the meantime
or until council makes a change. The

1999
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:23,040
risk is going to be that we
make a change that you don't support in

2000
03:14:21,000 --> 03:14:27,080
policy and then we've now
uh gone outside of everything you were

2001
03:14:25,640 --> 03:14:32,920
thinking of.
Um I can do whatever you want me to do.

2002
03:14:31,240 --> 03:14:38,600
Um
but as far as policy goes your yeah,

2003
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:38,600
September 8th is your next opportunity.

2004
03:14:40,440 --> 03:14:47,600
» So is there
is there any way we can pass a policy

2005
03:14:44,200 --> 03:14:54,240
here as Councillor Billings has said
not our

2006
03:14:49,240 --> 03:14:58,600
$3,000. You you said $2,000 to
to Councillor Hoyle. Is there any way

2007
03:14:56,880 --> 03:15:02,680
for the other counselors to get some
money

2008
03:14:59,880 --> 03:15:07,240
out of a different
or we wait then if we if we go to

2009
03:15:05,160 --> 03:15:12,200
September the 8th then we have to change
policy and that's to be all written down

2010
03:15:09,280 --> 03:15:12,200
so it'll be longer.

2011
03:15:12,240 --> 03:15:17,240
As we have to look at it then vote on
it. Councillor Neilson.

2012
03:15:15,640 --> 03:15:21,400
» Thank you
Mayor Bronco.

2013
03:15:19,880 --> 03:15:24,760
I'm going to be facetious here a little
bit Sue but um

2014
03:15:25,000 --> 03:15:28,000
but with intention.

2015
03:15:28,040 --> 03:15:34,200
I'm over $50. When do I pay you?
No, I I like I said I'm going be

2016
03:15:32,760 --> 03:15:37,240
facetious here.
Do I need to pay by the end of this

2017
03:15:35,480 --> 03:15:42,040
month?
>> With our invoicing says payable upon

2018
03:15:40,520 --> 03:15:45,080
receipt.
So, once an invoice goes to you, you

2019
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:50,880
need to pay it.
>> So,

2020
03:15:47,000 --> 03:15:50,880
and then what happens if I submit

2021
03:15:51,320 --> 03:15:57,760
a committee
expense report

2022
03:15:55,040 --> 03:16:01,680
when you know I'm already over
on my committee work?

2023
03:16:00,040 --> 03:16:06,520
Are you going to pay me
and then add it to my bill

2024
03:16:04,280 --> 03:16:11,560
or are you going to tell me
"I'm sorry, Wayne.

2025
03:16:08,680 --> 03:16:16,200
We're not paying you. You're over."
>> Because this is new, we haven't s-

2026
03:16:14,400 --> 03:16:18,920
obviously gotten ahead of this properly.
I think moving forward to make sure we

2027
03:16:17,560 --> 03:16:23,200
don't run into these problems, it would
be we're not paying this until you get a

2028
03:16:21,320 --> 03:16:26,240
motion of council.
>> Okay.

2029
03:16:24,560 --> 03:16:29,480
And if there's anybody in the world
still listening to this conversation,

2030
03:16:28,171 --> 03:16:32,960
» [laughter]
[clears throat]

2031
03:16:30,280 --> 03:16:36,400
» I want to point out again
that we went into this kind of blind in

2032
03:16:35,080 --> 03:16:39,240
terms of
simply taking the dollars that we were

2033
03:16:38,080 --> 03:16:43,400
spending,
allocated sort of equally across the

2034
03:16:41,040 --> 03:16:46,800
board, not knowing how many committees
people were going to be sitting on. So,

2035
03:16:45,200 --> 03:16:49,800
we find ourselves here because of that
disparity.

2036
03:16:48,400 --> 03:16:52,720
It's not that we are necessarily
spending more money than we spent

2037
03:16:51,200 --> 03:16:56,120
previously.
It's just that we put them in buckets

2038
03:16:54,400 --> 03:17:01,800
and tried to keep them there.
And we found out

2039
03:16:57,840 --> 03:17:01,800
that the bucket system as

2040
03:17:02,320 --> 03:17:07,640
we put into place
isn't working.

2041
03:17:05,200 --> 03:17:09,160
It doesn't mean that it won't once we
clean some of this up.

2042
03:17:08,680 --> 03:17:14,400
» Yeah.
>> So, it's not like we're spending more of

2043
03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:17,000
the city's taxpayers' dollars here.
Um

2044
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:21,000
so,
I guess

2045
03:17:19,400 --> 03:17:23,760
for Councillor White
and Councillor Neilson

2046
03:17:22,760 --> 03:17:26,800
and
Councillor Hoyle,

2047
03:17:27,600 --> 03:17:32,280
we're going to our next meetings knowing
we will not be

2048
03:17:32,720 --> 03:17:35,440
compensated.

2049
03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:44,160
And Councillor Nielsen and Councillor
White will both be receiving

2050
03:17:40,840 --> 03:17:44,160
bills from the city.

2051
03:17:45,760 --> 03:17:51,240
And yourself as well.
Councillor Hoyle owes money, too. You

2052
03:17:49,960 --> 03:17:55,520
just want to go on record making sure
everybody knows how much money we owe.

2053
03:17:53,320 --> 03:17:59,880
Um and again, I'm being facetious, but
it

2054
03:17:57,120 --> 03:17:59,880
it seems

2055
03:18:00,800 --> 03:18:05,040
I don't expect anybody to do committee
work

2056
03:18:05,240 --> 03:18:10,520
and not be compensated for their
committee work as per policy.

2057
03:18:08,680 --> 03:18:13,560
I may or may may not say as per policy,
but

2058
03:18:11,440 --> 03:18:13,560
um

2059
03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:22,880
Joining city council, we were given
responsibilities to look after

2060
03:18:24,520 --> 03:18:31,240
and compensation for that.
And I don't think they should be going

2061
03:18:29,120 --> 03:18:35,360
off to meetings
and not being compensated for it.

2062
03:18:33,160 --> 03:18:38,160
So, it's just a matter of how do we
manage this?

2063
03:18:37,600 --> 03:18:41,480
Again,
>> Go ahead, Sue.

2064
03:18:40,280 --> 03:18:45,600
» Thank you. Can I just throw this out
there for council to consider?

2065
03:18:43,440 --> 03:18:51,560
Because of the fact that we didn't
budget properly,

2066
03:18:48,280 --> 03:18:56,040
are you okay in this instance until you
get the policy back in front of you for

2067
03:18:53,080 --> 03:18:59,640
me just to do a transfer
from the people who do not have as many

2068
03:18:58,320 --> 03:19:05,200
committees
as the people who are

2069
03:19:01,960 --> 03:19:09,040
sitting on all the committees?
Like, can I just make this transfer

2070
03:19:06,960 --> 03:19:14,480
internally
to get us caught up and then start to

2071
03:19:11,880 --> 03:19:16,880
have that policy discussion to sort it
out?

2072
03:19:19,120 --> 03:19:23,240
» Councillor Hoyle and Councillor
Billingsley.

2073
03:19:23,400 --> 03:19:29,600
» Through the chair
to council and that is

2074
03:19:27,840 --> 03:19:33,640
I agree we need to fix the problem. It's
an interim fix.

2075
03:19:32,040 --> 03:19:37,800
And I don't want to rush through this
per diem and remuneration

2076
03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:42,720
talk which I'm worried we will do if we
do it

2077
03:19:41,080 --> 03:19:46,680
next meeting.
I would like to have some discussion and

2078
03:19:44,120 --> 03:19:50,520
make sure we fix it or fix is a bad word
that we make sure we get it right so

2079
03:19:48,840 --> 03:19:55,440
that we're not revisiting this next
year. Um

2080
03:19:52,720 --> 03:19:59,480
so however we deal with today, I think
that conversation about the actual per

2081
03:19:57,640 --> 03:20:03,200
diems and the expense policy and
remuneration needs to come at a time

2082
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:08,000
when we've all had a chance to look over
it, think what we need we want in it and

2083
03:20:06,240 --> 03:20:13,200
make sure it's what we actually want and
not something that we are doing as a

2084
03:20:09,760 --> 03:20:13,200
quick fix next meeting.

2085
03:20:13,520 --> 03:20:16,480
» Councilor Billingsley.

2086
03:20:16,840 --> 03:20:24,640
» Thank you. Through the chair to Sue.
Yes, as far as I'm concerned, but having

2087
03:20:22,880 --> 03:20:28,560
said that, I don't think you need our
permission to do that. It's part of your

2088
03:20:27,640 --> 03:20:32,480
um
CIO's

2089
03:20:30,960 --> 03:20:35,920
You're allowed to do that anyway whether
we

2090
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:39,520
say today yes or nay, yay or nay. Is
that correct?

2091
03:20:36,720 --> 03:20:44,360
» That is correct. However, um after the
discussion we had that I should be

2092
03:20:41,480 --> 03:20:47,720
following policy, I would like some
support from council to do that.

2093
03:20:46,440 --> 03:20:52,040
Although I have the authority, I
recognize that might not be everyone's

2094
03:20:50,200 --> 03:20:56,480
desire.
>> You have my support to to do that and it

2095
03:20:54,760 --> 03:20:59,280
may lead to my second motion that we
have in the budget.

2096
03:21:01,520 --> 03:21:07,880
» And and counselor Averly.
>> Thank you, sir.

2097
03:21:06,320 --> 03:21:13,040
I want
two clarifications because I think I'm

2098
03:21:09,880 --> 03:21:13,040
still following along.

2099
03:21:13,120 --> 03:21:17,400
Councilor Elder, was your question
answered?

2100
03:21:15,800 --> 03:21:20,520
» No, I'm going to let you guys finish
this and then I will deal with mine.

2101
03:21:19,680 --> 03:21:23,000
» Thank you.
>> Welcome.

2102
03:21:21,560 --> 03:21:27,480
» Cuz I
Cuz I think it's a genuine question. If

2103
03:21:25,360 --> 03:21:32,320
I want to look at a policy, how do how
do we do that? And we start talking

2104
03:21:29,520 --> 03:21:35,600
about other things. Uh
second

2105
03:21:34,040 --> 03:21:39,440
are you
withdrawing your motion because we do

2106
03:21:37,360 --> 03:21:44,360
have a motion on the table?
And now we're talking about maybe just

2107
03:21:41,920 --> 03:21:48,600
letting Sue do what sh
she not letting Sue do what she does.

2108
03:21:47,080 --> 03:21:54,600
Um
Sue has a in her policy says that she

2109
03:21:52,040 --> 03:21:59,640
can do something
and she is asking for a general

2110
03:21:56,880 --> 03:22:02,720
consensus of council that in this
instance

2111
03:22:01,080 --> 03:22:06,240
it happens.
But we do have a motion on the floor.

2112
03:22:04,040 --> 03:22:12,360
So, whether or not we're voting,
removing the motion, doing the motion

2113
03:22:09,880 --> 03:22:16,840
» My concern of withdrawing it
as long as there's support for

2114
03:22:15,160 --> 03:22:24,120
having letting
allowing, letting

2115
03:22:18,600 --> 03:22:24,120
um having the CAO reallocate.

2116
03:22:25,320 --> 03:22:32,760
Because if there's not will of council
to let her do that, then my motion would

2117
03:22:30,280 --> 03:22:32,760
stand.

2118
03:22:34,120 --> 03:22:42,520
» Tough legislative one.
>> Right? So, I will with I have faith in

2119
03:22:39,200 --> 03:22:45,440
this group. I will withdraw my motion.
>> Well, I'm going to vote against this.

2120
03:22:46,600 --> 03:22:51,040
Technically you don't.
>> I know.

2121
03:22:49,880 --> 03:22:55,200
» So, who's going to make the
>> And and and the reason

2122
03:22:53,720 --> 03:22:59,680
because there was a second motion and
then it has to do with

2123
03:22:57,400 --> 03:23:05,240
um myself.
Um

2124
03:23:01,080 --> 03:23:12,840
going to the MCC MCM C conference and
the AB Munis conference in regards to um

2125
03:23:10,920 --> 03:23:18,120
doing
MCMC work.

2126
03:23:15,480 --> 03:23:24,160
So, if that's the case
and [clears throat] we give

2127
03:23:20,480 --> 03:23:28,520
authority to our CIO to reallocate, I'm
okay with that and I don't need to make

2128
03:23:26,000 --> 03:23:34,880
that second motion.
But, do we need to

2129
03:23:32,640 --> 03:23:40,080
um
do we need to

2130
03:23:37,440 --> 03:23:42,840
authorize
give direction?

2131
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:53,280
» Councillor Averley.
>> Thank you, sir.

2132
03:23:47,880 --> 03:23:56,760
Uh I would like to make a motion that we
direct

2133
03:23:54,920 --> 03:24:00,360
administration cuz or would I direct you
directly? Oh my gosh.

2134
03:24:00,800 --> 03:24:08,240
Administration
um to

2135
03:24:05,760 --> 03:24:16,840
allocate
money to council's per diems

2136
03:24:11,920 --> 03:24:21,480
as noted in her
city manager bylaw.

2137
03:24:17,920 --> 03:24:22,880
» City city manager bylaw.
>> Go ahead.

2138
03:24:22,120 --> 03:24:27,480
» Councillor
>> Sorry.

2139
03:24:25,320 --> 03:24:31,000
» Not specifically to per diems because my
second one isn't per diems. I've got

2140
03:24:29,120 --> 03:24:34,360
enough in per diems.
But, to travel to MCMC

2141
03:24:33,920 --> 03:24:37,960
is
>> remunerations?

2142
03:24:35,960 --> 03:24:40,720
» No, it's not remuneration. It is travel
expense.

2143
03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:42,520
Which
>> Uh I

2144
03:24:41,240 --> 03:24:45,200
» I'd say different bucket.
>> I would like to see that as a separate

2145
03:24:43,920 --> 03:24:47,960
discussion though.
>> Fair enough.

2146
03:24:45,760 --> 03:24:47,960
» Yeah.

2147
03:24:51,200 --> 03:24:56,080
» Then I stay with per diems.
>> Yeah.

2148
03:24:58,920 --> 03:25:03,160
» Any debate?
All of those in favor?

2149
03:25:02,480 --> 03:25:05,520
» No,
I'm not in favor.

2150
03:25:04,640 --> 03:25:06,480
» Carried.
>> Yes.

2151
03:25:05,760 --> 03:25:09,440
» No.
>> Next.

2152
03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:13,720
» No, I think the same.
>> Hey, hold hold on a second, Joe. Just 1

2153
03:25:11,240 --> 03:25:13,720
second.

2154
03:25:14,600 --> 03:25:19,960
» Sorry, could that motion please be
repeated so I could see it? I was not

2155
03:25:18,440 --> 03:25:24,120
prepared to vote on that. I was trying
to raise my hand to ask.

2156
03:25:22,080 --> 03:25:27,240
What exactly are we voting on?
>> I don't know.

2157
03:25:25,760 --> 03:25:29,560
» I apologize. I don't know why you didn't
understand that.

2158
03:25:28,240 --> 03:25:35,360
» Councillor White.
>> Because I was very clear and succinct.

2159
03:25:33,360 --> 03:25:42,560
I move to direct administration to
reallocate money to council per diems as

2160
03:25:38,440 --> 03:25:42,560
noted in the city manager's bylaw.

2161
03:25:43,400 --> 03:25:46,320
» Any debate?

2162
03:25:51,680 --> 03:25:59,440
All in favor?
Carried.

2163
03:25:56,200 --> 03:26:02,280
» Okay, so now, sorry, Joe.
>> Go ahead, Councillor Elder.

2164
03:26:01,440 --> 03:26:06,240
» Okay.
>> So, I'm going to go back to mine. Now,

2165
03:26:04,360 --> 03:26:11,640
this is where I messed up, so I take
full accountability here. I don't know

2166
03:26:08,280 --> 03:26:17,920
how to fix it, so I'm going to ask.
I did not claim October, November, and

2167
03:26:15,120 --> 03:26:17,920
December

2168
03:26:20,040 --> 03:26:29,520
in 2025 until January 26th.
So, that's on me.

2169
03:26:27,440 --> 03:26:33,440
Administration was
nice enough

2170
03:26:31,480 --> 03:26:39,320
to pay it.
But, it ends up in 2026. Now, that puts

2171
03:26:36,240 --> 03:26:45,960
me over owing $2,000.
So, how do we deal with this one now?

2172
03:26:42,240 --> 03:26:45,960
I'd like to I guess make a motion

2173
03:26:46,560 --> 03:26:52,160
to somehow correct this. I don't
[laughter] know how to make a motion.

2174
03:26:49,480 --> 03:26:52,160
Um

2175
03:26:52,800 --> 03:26:59,440
I I look at it like it's an administ-
well,

2176
03:26:57,200 --> 03:27:04,200
administration error in in the years,
but it's a Mark Elder error in

2177
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:04,200
paperwork.

2178
03:27:04,560 --> 03:27:09,600
So,
do do do do how would this motion go

2179
03:27:08,080 --> 03:27:13,240
here? Uh-oh, got hands.
>> Councillor Berglund, speak.

2180
03:27:11,520 --> 03:27:17,280
» So, I move that
council directs administration

2181
03:27:17,520 --> 03:27:20,240
to

2182
03:27:24,680 --> 03:27:27,800
to pay

2183
03:27:30,640 --> 03:27:33,160
I'm sorry?

2184
03:27:33,360 --> 03:27:40,760
No, because this actually would actually
have to come out of

2185
03:27:37,880 --> 03:27:47,800
um contingency because this is out of
2025, not 2026. So, in other words, I

2186
03:27:44,920 --> 03:27:51,760
move that council directs administration
to take from contingency

2187
03:27:52,080 --> 03:28:00,600
to pay
Councillor Elders'

2188
03:27:56,640 --> 03:28:00,600
overage from 2025.

2189
03:28:02,040 --> 03:28:08,480
Because and I I'd like to speak to that.
And I think it's important um

2190
03:28:07,719 --> 03:28:13,120
» [clears throat]
>> we've had this discussion before um

2191
03:28:11,760 --> 03:28:18,960
that you were new and didn't know
exactly how it worked

2192
03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:24,320
um because you did do the work.
Right? I mean, it's not like we're we're

2193
03:28:20,720 --> 03:28:29,000
saying um you you uh didn't do the work,
so you don't deserve to get paid. That's

2194
03:28:25,760 --> 03:28:33,720
not it at all. It was it was
late filing, I guess.

2195
03:28:31,040 --> 03:28:37,040
Right? And nobody here is saying that
you didn't do the work. So, I think it's

2196
03:28:35,240 --> 03:28:40,080
important
that that bill

2197
03:28:38,680 --> 03:28:45,120
is
wiped clean from 2025.

2198
03:28:42,640 --> 03:28:48,920
Because that money's that were allocated
in 2025

2199
03:28:46,960 --> 03:28:53,400
would have gone into contingency anyway
because the money wasn't spent in 2025.

2200
03:28:54,440 --> 03:29:00,240
» Councillor Neisner.
>> Thank you. So, to that point, I I I

2201
03:28:57,760 --> 03:29:04,560
totally agree. The work's been done.
The paperwork was missing at the time.

2202
03:29:02,240 --> 03:29:09,960
It got entered into the the next
available year. Sue, how do you make

2203
03:29:06,600 --> 03:29:09,960
that kind of a correction?

2204
03:29:11,200 --> 03:29:13,760
» Exactly.

2205
03:29:19,440 --> 03:29:26,080
There it is. Thank you.
Um because the books were closed, we

2206
03:29:23,320 --> 03:29:31,360
couldn't actually pull it from 2025, so
using the contingency is exactly the

2207
03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:35,440
the right way to do that.
So, what we'll do is just pull the 2050

2208
03:29:34,320 --> 03:29:39,440
from
contingency and cancel out the invoice.

2209
03:29:38,240 --> 03:29:41,240
» And that was your motion then?
>> Yes, because

2210
03:29:40,360 --> 03:29:43,520
» Okay.
I'm I'm good with

2211
03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:46,960
» The the dollars that weren't spent in
2025 under council would have gone into

2212
03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:50,720
contingency anyway.
>> Yes.

2213
03:29:48,240 --> 03:29:53,880
» Hey, so the motion's on the floor.
All of those in favor?

2214
03:29:54,600 --> 03:30:00,680
Carried. Thank you. Councillor Billings,
you have another motion.

2215
03:29:57,960 --> 03:30:05,000
» Yeah, so
this isn't per diems because I do have I

2216
03:30:02,720 --> 03:30:09,320
believe I have enough per diems.
>> Thank you.

2217
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:15,400
» Um but I do have potential of travel
expenses and conference expenses that I

2218
03:30:12,240 --> 03:30:22,320
believe is important that I attend as
being the MCMC representative. Um

2219
03:30:19,800 --> 03:30:25,640
my quick calculation
um

2220
03:30:23,560 --> 03:30:30,280
is about $3,500.
I might be on the high side on that

2221
03:30:27,320 --> 03:30:39,240
because I do have dollars available
still in my own personal buckets.

2222
03:30:34,520 --> 03:30:44,000
So, I am asking um for reallocation
up to $3,500, which I don't believe will

2223
03:30:41,960 --> 03:30:47,320
be necessary.
And it's not per diems.

2224
03:30:46,886 --> 03:30:52,800
» [clears throat]
>> It's travel expenses and or training,

2225
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:52,800
you might say.

2226
03:30:54,680 --> 03:30:59,560
» Councillor Elder, so now I have another
question for you.

2227
03:31:00,400 --> 03:31:06,960
If I don't use a nickel of my travel
expenses, does that go back into

2228
03:31:04,960 --> 03:31:10,960
contingency?
>> Yes.

2229
03:31:07,920 --> 03:31:13,840
» So that should be no problem covering
whatever.

2230
03:31:12,240 --> 03:31:16,520
Cuz I won't I won't spend a nickel of
this.

2231
03:31:14,600 --> 03:31:21,800
» So and yes, and so then that what would
happen then is that

2232
03:31:19,200 --> 03:31:24,520
however the CAO decides would reallocate
dollars.

2233
03:31:22,520 --> 03:31:29,520
» Okay.
>> Councillor Neilsen.

2234
03:31:26,840 --> 03:31:35,840
» And I think I I'm I'm on the same page,
I think. But through the chair to Sue,

2235
03:31:32,960 --> 03:31:41,160
we've allocated money somewhere in our
council budget for MCMC

2236
03:31:38,640 --> 03:31:41,160
travel.

2237
03:31:41,600 --> 03:31:44,320
Yes? No?

2238
03:31:44,480 --> 03:31:49,000
» Uh
>> It's on the mayor's

2239
03:31:46,680 --> 03:31:53,960
It's on the mayor's per diem, I believe.
>> Well, when the policy changed, there was

2240
03:31:51,160 --> 03:31:58,440
nothing specific. So when we go into
Questica, in my budget you'll see X

2241
03:31:56,520 --> 03:32:02,600
number for this, X number for that. When
council changed their policy, we just

2242
03:32:01,440 --> 03:32:09,160
put in
blank amounts. We didn't actually say

2243
03:32:05,320 --> 03:32:12,880
FCM, AB Munis, any of that. So is there
money that to be reallocated for this?

2244
03:32:11,240 --> 03:32:17,640
Sure, like the mayor probably would have
gone to that. Um

2245
03:32:15,600 --> 03:32:21,480
» So in your in your allocation or
reallocation then,

2246
03:32:19,440 --> 03:32:25,560
as Joe just said,
that was in his budget line.

2247
03:32:23,720 --> 03:32:33,120
Because he's not attending, it would
make sense that

2248
03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:33,120
that's that's a a committee that he's

2249
03:32:33,280 --> 03:32:39,000
not going to attend, so the money that
would have gone to him to do that would

2250
03:32:37,880 --> 03:32:43,240
be the transferred place.
>> Not necessarily, because the way that

2251
03:32:41,040 --> 03:32:46,920
you changed the policy, you said
counselors do not need to come back to

2252
03:32:44,840 --> 03:32:49,800
council to get permission to attend
things. You can attend whatever you

2253
03:32:48,000 --> 03:32:54,720
want. If the mayor decides he wants to
spend his $1,000 on something else,

2254
03:32:52,200 --> 03:33:00,480
that's up to him. What I was planning to
do with this particular

2255
03:32:56,880 --> 03:33:05,760
um reallocation was to look at that
object code across the organization and

2256
03:33:03,840 --> 03:33:08,440
say, I have extra money in these ones,
I'm going to transfer it into here

2257
03:33:07,360 --> 03:33:11,520
because it doesn't matter whether it
comes from a council budget or admin

2258
03:33:10,280 --> 03:33:16,840
budget. At the end of the year, whatever
is not spent goes into contingency.

2259
03:33:13,880 --> 03:33:21,320
And and I do know for a fact
your budgets are very tight.

2260
03:33:19,480 --> 03:33:24,840
Um and the mayor may turn around and
say, "No, I I don't want to go

2261
03:33:23,040 --> 03:33:30,120
anywhere." Well, great. That $1,000 goes
back into contingency. Um but yours are

2262
03:33:27,400 --> 03:33:35,160
so tight that
in this instance, I would likely scan

2263
03:33:33,080 --> 03:33:38,240
the whole organization and say, "Some of
these departments are behind and they're

2264
03:33:36,880 --> 03:33:42,280
likely not going to spend this and I'm
going to reallocate it from there."

2265
03:33:40,560 --> 03:33:46,280
I just don't want you to go over again
and then have this problem because

2266
03:33:44,280 --> 03:33:49,880
you've allowed each of you individually
to decide what you spend your money on.

2267
03:33:52,560 --> 03:33:59,680
» So,
Dean, can you read your motion?

2268
03:33:56,600 --> 03:33:59,680
The $3,500?

2269
03:34:00,560 --> 03:34:07,520
» No.
There is no motion as per se other than

2270
03:34:04,720 --> 03:34:07,520
directing

2271
03:34:08,160 --> 03:34:14,160
I move that council direct
administration to

2272
03:34:12,200 --> 03:34:19,440
reallocate
funds

2273
03:34:16,640 --> 03:34:22,520
for training and travel
as needed as per needed.

2274
03:34:21,560 --> 03:34:24,840
» As needed.
>> As needed.

2275
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:32,560
» Any questions?
All of those in favor?

2276
03:34:33,840 --> 03:34:37,800
» I apologize, Joe. I I didn't do that
properly.

2277
03:34:37,520 --> 03:34:41,800
Um
>> Erin.

2278
03:34:38,920 --> 03:34:45,963
» Thank you. I would like
because we're not reading it either,

2279
03:34:43,560 --> 03:34:47,680
sir. I would like
>> [clears throat]

2280
03:34:46,040 --> 03:34:51,480
» Councilor Billingsley to repeat because
I missed the last part of that sentence.

2281
03:34:52,920 --> 03:34:58,520
» I move that Council really can
administration

2282
03:34:56,920 --> 03:35:02,320
to re-
allocate funds

2283
03:35:06,120 --> 03:35:11,680
as needed for training and travel

2284
03:35:12,080 --> 03:35:15,080
as needed.

2285
03:35:16,920 --> 03:35:24,840
» Is that for all council budgets or just
All of them. Okay.

2286
03:35:22,640 --> 03:35:24,840
Yep.

2287
03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:29,800
» Does that satisfy

2288
03:35:31,720 --> 03:35:39,280
» It does, but it kind of falls along with
the Well, the other one was per diems.

2289
03:35:35,760 --> 03:35:42,800
Yep. Nope, this is good. Yep.
>> Okay.

2290
03:35:40,680 --> 03:35:45,920
Any questions?
All those in favor?

2291
03:35:46,280 --> 03:35:48,920
Thank you.

2292
03:35:49,680 --> 03:35:57,320
We done with the
new business? My last one.

2293
03:35:54,880 --> 03:35:57,320
Um

2294
03:35:58,840 --> 03:36:04,080
I would like to know some information
how

2295
03:36:01,760 --> 03:36:12,320
if we heard anything on the garbage bins
at Starbucks or for if administration

2296
03:36:08,080 --> 03:36:12,320
can update us on on that issue.

2297
03:36:14,440 --> 03:36:22,280
If there's any up
>> Yeah, through the chair to council.

2298
03:36:19,760 --> 03:36:25,560
Uh we have received the plans for the
enclosure.

2299
03:36:23,520 --> 03:36:29,040
Uh they have been approved by planning
and development and we are just waiting

2300
03:36:27,200 --> 03:36:34,040
on a timeline for the installation of
that enclosure.

2301
03:36:31,800 --> 03:36:37,440
» So, the enclosure will be done before
winter?

2302
03:36:35,600 --> 03:36:41,160
» That is correct.
>> Thank you.

2303
03:36:39,040 --> 03:36:43,920
That is my question. Any further
questions?

2304
03:36:47,400 --> 03:36:51,680
» Yeah, I'm good.
>> If

2305
03:36:49,360 --> 03:36:55,000
If not,
I will adjourn the meeting.

2306
03:36:55,240 --> 03:37:01,840
And I'll see you
at the next council meeting

2307
03:37:00,120 --> 03:37:03,920
in September.
Thank you.

2308
03:37:02,560 --> 03:37:06,640
» Joe, or
will you see us at the next council

2309
03:37:05,720 --> 03:37:10,640
meeting in September?
>> No, I get back on the 24th of September.

2310
03:37:09,560 --> 03:37:14,080
» So,
if I don't see you beforehand, have a

2311
03:37:13,280 --> 03:37:17,360
wonderful trip.
>> the

2312
03:37:15,080 --> 03:37:20,080
I leave on the 4th, so you can on the
3rd, actually.

2313
03:37:18,840 --> 03:37:25,600
So, I'll be seeing you and I'll be
emailing you some issues regarding uh

2314
03:37:23,640 --> 03:37:30,360
the CEO's uh
evaluation. I'll be doing that today, so

2315
03:37:27,760 --> 03:37:34,520
I can have that all done before I go.
>> Awesome. Thank you.

2316
03:37:32,080 --> 03:37:38,520
» Thank you.
I will adjourn

2317
03:37:36,200 --> 03:37:42,880
this meeting at
7:36. Thank you very much and have a

2318
03:37:41,120 --> 03:37:48,800
good week.
And I guess we'll see you at Maria's uh

2319
03:37:46,680 --> 03:37:53,360
Mexican Grill grand opening night at the
mall.

2320
03:37:50,800 --> 03:37:53,360
Thank you.

2321
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:49,680
» Mhm.