1 00:00:00,270 --> 00:00:12,930 Good afternoon. I would like to call the order. This walk in county council, public works in health committee meeting. Today is Tuesday, August 11. It is now 1 o'clock PM and we're meeting in a hybrid format. Could the clerk please call the roll. 2 00:00:12,930 --> 00:00:16,210 Elizabeth Boyle. Here. Here if you can't in. 3 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:18,950 Ben Ellen Moss. 4 00:00:20,150 --> 00:00:20,430 President. 5 00:00:21,430 --> 00:00:22,850 Gaila Galloway here. 6 00:00:23,430 --> 00:00:24,030 Jessica Reenstra. 7 00:00:24,630 --> 00:00:24,790 Here. 8 00:00:25,690 --> 00:00:26,450 John Scanlan. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,840 Mark Stremler. 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:30,300 Here. 11 00:00:32,690 --> 00:00:38,270 Let the record show the all council members are present with John coming around the coroner. 12 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:41,450 Council member Scanlan was coming soon. 13 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:46,410 We have a full meeting today, so we'll jump right into it. 14 00:00:46,870 --> 00:00:52,450 On today's agenda, the first item is a special presentation AB 2026-607 15 00:00:52,990 --> 00:00:56,990 and update from the public works department from the river and flood division. 16 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:59,470 I think we have Gary and Julie both here. 17 00:01:00,510 --> 00:01:03,250 And we have about 30 minutes, I believe, allocated for this piece. 18 00:01:03,390 --> 00:01:04,310 Thank you both so much. 19 00:01:04,330 --> 00:01:07,290 I know this is a very important conversation that we've all been waiting for. 20 00:01:07,290 --> 00:01:08,190 Yes, it is. 21 00:01:08,190 --> 00:01:14,490 we can could hear me, right? Yes. Okay. Like you said, I'm Julie Anderson, Reverend Flood Manager, 22 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:21,450 and Gary is also here with me to discuss what we've been up to and kind of given a broad update 23 00:01:21,450 --> 00:01:27,290 about all Reverend Flood activities, particularly the planning activities that we've been up. 24 00:01:29,350 --> 00:01:36,970 Oh, is this better? Okay. So I will jump right into it. We wanted to start off by giving an update 25 00:01:36,970 --> 00:01:48,970 on the flood repairs. Hold on. There we go. We had after the 25 flood. We had another flood, the 26 00:01:48,970 --> 00:01:56,490 mini flood. I would say in January, truck road was already in jeopardy. I would say after the 25 27 00:01:56,490 --> 00:02:05,330 flood. And so in 2021, our stop. And so the miniature flood started to put our work in danger. 28 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:23,810 So the project changed and we ended up doing a different project, the little bigger project, so that is something that's complete and we are on schedule for like finishing up the pending, like the final permits and permit conditions because it was an after the fact permit. 29 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:29,230 We have three levy repairs that are being done by the Army Corps this year. 30 00:02:29,450 --> 00:02:31,590 Han again, Billsma and Ritter Road. 31 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:37,050 There are no schedules yet, but they anticipate construction starting like late August. 32 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:44,110 And then the levy inspections and other minor repairs are being finished up and plantings are being done. 33 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:46,810 So that should be all wrapped up. 34 00:02:48,110 --> 00:03:00,250 We have ongoing flood capital projects that many of you have heard about, maybe some of our newer members haven't, so I'm just going to run through them and kind of give a brief explanation. 35 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:12,830 The Ferndale Levy Improvement Project, with initiated in 2020, they are right now, it's a two-phase project, and they're at 90% design on the first phase. 36 00:03:13,450 --> 00:03:23,090 It's currently implementing, they've still got right-of-way negotiations and utility coordination to work out and they're hopeful for 2027 construction of that first phase. 37 00:03:24,010 --> 00:03:32,450 Glacier Gallup Aluvial Fan Restoration is undergoing a feasibility study and selection of a preferred alternative. 38 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:36,370 They anticipate that to be completed by the end of this year. 39 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:41,650 And we'll go out to bid for design work next year, aiming for 60% design next year. 40 00:03:42,310 --> 00:03:50,430 And construction would be anticipated 2030 to 2031 dependent on wash dots bridge project that they're replacing. 41 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:58,090 Abbott-Levy Improvement Project is, the first phase is complete. Phase 2 is kind of 42 00:03:58,090 --> 00:04:04,890 in put on hold since the 21 flood and the widen the corridor concept is now starting 43 00:04:04,890 --> 00:04:11,830 to be the bigger focus. This project will probably work its way in once that's more 44 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:23,890 It's at 60% design right now, permanent applications have been submitted and we're hopeful for 2027 construction. 45 00:04:24,550 --> 00:04:31,830 That's going to be dependent on funding because right now we have it budgeted as 100% FCCD. 46 00:04:33,090 --> 00:04:38,470 Then fish camp integrated fish blood project, this is an integrated project with an 47 00:04:38,470 --> 00:04:46,070 exact tribe, it's a restoration project primarily, but the county is involved in the 48 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:52,270 blood components and right now those are still up in the air, but they are at 60% 49 00:04:52,270 --> 00:04:58,450 designed for phase one and concept level for phase two. And we don't know about construction, 50 00:04:58,450 --> 00:04:59,450 and it's pending there. 51 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:18,280 Permitting timeframe. Hudson Road Bridge Replacement, the temporary project was done two years ago, I believe, and they have a consultant that is going to recommend a preferred alternative by the end of this year for a permanent solution. 52 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:24,360 Pull under Levy Repair, there was Levy Seapage in 2021 and in 2025. 53 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:30,280 We started the in-house design for this project and we're currently at concept design. 54 00:05:30,740 --> 00:05:33,040 We anticipate construction in 2027. 55 00:05:34,780 --> 00:05:40,840 And the Everson-Nooksack flood mitigation berms were in preliminary engineering right now. 56 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,420 And we anticipate the feasibility analysis and concept design by the end of this year. 57 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,720 So that's a rundown of projects and I know that was a lot, so if you have questions about that, we can stop a second. 58 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,720 Any council members have questions at this moment? 59 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:03,080 Uh, could you tell us about the Dolberg site? 60 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,660 I'm, that is one I'm not familiar with. 61 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Well, I too have not been there, but I know that it, this was purchased in 2019 and they demolished the home that we're building that was on there in 2020. 62 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:23,700 and they conducted groundwater monitoring from 2021 to 2024 to determine whether it is indeed 63 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:30,220 a wetland and the contract with the consultant was executed last year to begin the design work 64 00:06:30,220 --> 00:06:38,400 and that sort of thing. And that's what I know. So if you want more detail, I can get that for you. 65 00:06:42,740 --> 00:06:43,380 Okay, 66 00:06:46,220 --> 00:06:46,900 on to funding. 67 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,460 This is where Riveran Flood gets to brag a little bit. 68 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:55,660 We're very good at going out and getting funding for our projects. 69 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Our current grants are amounting to 69 million right now that's in house. 70 00:07:01,980 --> 00:07:04,740 There are three floodplains by design grants. 71 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,560 A amounting to about 30 million. 72 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:15,040 We have the Proviso Grant that funds technical work out reach and coordination, flip work, 73 00:07:15,860 --> 00:07:19,280 working to gain consensus to move forward on the widen the corridor. 74 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,620 That's kind of the purpose of that. 75 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:27,080 And then we've got four female HMGP grants, which you've heard me talk about many times, 76 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,540 two elevation grants and two acquisition grants, those amount to about 19 million. 77 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:36,380 We've got two CDBG grants. 78 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:45,080 One is a match grant that matches up with the HMGP grants, so it pays the 5% match for those two grants. 79 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,380 And then the CDBG resiliency planning grant includes two tasks. 80 00:07:51,380 --> 00:08:18,140 One is the preliminary engineering for the Everson Nixack Burms and the others for the city of CMS flood mitigation planning and then we have some FEMA public assistance funding for this recent December flood almost a quarter million and finally and last but not least the 13 million dollar legislative proviso that was announced earlier this year. 81 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:23,320 So, that's what we have in house, then we've got applications out for funding, 82 00:08:24,140 --> 00:08:26,020 amounting to roughly 30 million. 83 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,440 Again, flood planes by design, which is our bread and butter. 84 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:37,300 FEMA FMA acquisition grant and the 2027 legislative capital budget request. 85 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:46,400 And the FMA acquisition grant I'll just mention, I've looked at the application that was submitted by the state. 86 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:53,520 Lockham County had seven properties on there out of 13, I think, so we had more than 50%. 87 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,900 And then finally we're going to talk about capacity. 88 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Oh, wait. How do that skip? Where did it go? Oh, that's the last one. You're up next. Sorry. 89 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:14,880 Just going to skip right on through. All right. Thanks. Good morning, Gary Stoica. 90 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:27,420 Natural Resources Manager. I wanted to spend a couple of minutes to also tell you about some other things that are going on with the flood program, which are probably actually more of what you're interested in hearing about today. 91 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:35,540 We continue to participate in the Nook-Sack Transmoundary Flood Initiative and for those that don't remember. 92 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:43,740 That's an initiative. It was started after the 2021 floods by the Governor and the Premier of British Columbia to help us coordinate better across the border. 93 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:54,080 The members include Washington, BC, Lockham County, City of Abbott'sford, both of our local tribes and three first nations north of the border. 94 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:59,020 it's structured and we have three kind of levels. There's a leadership level. 95 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:06,360 They call them tables, leadership table, a policy table and a technical table, which all are dealing 96 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:13,560 with those exact items. Executive seduce sits on the leadership table, I said, on the policy table. 97 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:19,240 And Paula Harris sits on the technical table. The primary goal here is to coordinate what we're 98 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,160 doing on our side of the border, our collaborative planning, the flip process, with the process 99 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:29,980 that they started after we started this initiative. And there's this called the Sumas river watershed 100 00:10:29,980 --> 00:10:37,720 flood mitigation planning initiative or SRWFMP as they say really quickly includes those same entities 101 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:46,020 plus the city of Chilawak. A big development in this process is in June that SRWFMP group 102 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,520 put out what they call the strategic concept plan of the things that they're looking to do north of the 103 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:59,640 border and they caution that this is not a final design implementation plan and that it's not a decision 104 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,440 tool for Wacom County quite yet, but it gives a good flavor of the things they're looking at 105 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,520 north of the border. They're looking at levee setbacks, they're looking at buyouts, they're looking 106 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:16,820 at building berms, building huge pump stations, doing a lot of habitat restoration. So if you're 107 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:21,180 interested in seeing more of that, they've got a nice, real nice graphic that explains it all. 108 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,580 I can provide that link to that site and you can take a look at that. 109 00:11:29,350 --> 00:11:34,390 I wanted to spend a few minutes to talk about flood communications and community engagement. 110 00:11:35,290 --> 00:11:40,870 You know, we've always had our annual flood communications after the 2021 floods. 111 00:11:41,470 --> 00:11:45,330 We kind of stepped up our game and started doing more communication. 112 00:11:46,450 --> 00:11:51,790 And then particularly after the 2025 flood, we tried to step up our game even more. 113 00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:56,150 So I feel like we're doing a lot better job on communication that we used to. 114 00:11:56,150 --> 00:12:00,830 but we also know that we've got room for improvement. There are a lot of people that I hear from 115 00:12:00,830 --> 00:12:06,570 that feel like that they don't know what's going on. So a few of the things that we've done recently 116 00:12:06,570 --> 00:12:13,570 to handle that is we've hired a consultant using some of the grant money we got that just was 117 00:12:13,570 --> 00:12:20,330 contracted this month and they're set to go. They're going to be active plant excuse me. They're 118 00:12:20,330 --> 00:12:22,810 to be working on all kinds of messaging. 119 00:12:25,530 --> 00:12:29,390 Messaging work for us, videos, websites, one-pagers, 120 00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:34,270 all kinds of things to help us get the information out about what we're doing with flood 121 00:12:34,270 --> 00:12:42,050 and preparedness. We've also increased our staff support. We've transferred a little bit of time 122 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:47,150 from a person in our natural, primarily in our natural resources group, Jenny Baxter right here. 123 00:12:47,150 --> 00:12:53,670 So we've dedicated more of her time towards flood communications and getting just getting the 124 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:58,430 word out more about what the issues are, what we're doing, what we're up to and what people 125 00:12:58,430 --> 00:12:59,610 can do to be prepared. 126 00:13:00,590 --> 00:13:05,350 A couple of things that we're starting this year is we're going to host a flood preparedness 127 00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:12,510 week, October 12th through the 19th, where we're going to be able to go out to tell people 128 00:13:12,510 --> 00:13:18,670 how to be best prepared for flood, what we're doing out there in the community, and where they can find resources. 129 00:13:20,070 --> 00:13:26,110 Another activity we're working on is planning a community event during that flood preparedness week. 130 00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:35,730 And it's an active planning we don't have a gender or anything yet, but we're looking at something where they'll be a presentation 131 00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:40,610 and then followed by an open house where people can ask questions. 132 00:13:41,290 --> 00:13:46,950 And we're looking to do a lot across agency collaboration, so we're hoping to have participation 133 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:48,830 by the Department of Emergency Management. 134 00:13:48,830 --> 00:13:54,910 They can talk about what they do and how people can be ready as well as the welcome long-term 135 00:13:54,910 --> 00:13:58,870 recovery group so that they can be there to answer questions from people who are still going 136 00:13:58,870 --> 00:14:01,330 through recovery and might still need assistance. 137 00:14:01,330 --> 00:14:04,910 So, there'll be more information about that. 138 00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:10,050 We're going to do kind of a tiered approach. 139 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:12,610 There'll be an executive proclamation. 140 00:14:12,950 --> 00:14:17,830 We will have some press releases and social media publication of that. 141 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:23,230 So, look more for more from that in the coming weeks. 142 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:27,010 Next up. 143 00:14:28,390 --> 00:14:37,690 Well, I know probably need to tell you guys, but I will just, in a nutshell, tell you what the big problem is, the big issues that we're dealing with in the Nuxac River Flood. 144 00:14:37,970 --> 00:14:41,090 You know, Paul Harris has been here over the years telling you all kinds of things. 145 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:53,890 But the biggest, the big problem is, is we've got the Nuxac River produces a ton of sediment coming off the flanks of Mount Baker, and our historic river constraints, our levy system being really tight. 146 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:58,390 That is caused the accumulation of a huge amount of sediment, particularly it ever 147 00:14:58,390 --> 00:14:59,970 sent, which is... 148 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:27,980 Constricting the river and causing overflow at much lower levels. In addition to that, we've got climate change, which is leading to bigger and more frequent atmospheric river overflow events. So not only do we have the constriction in the river, the rain events are bigger, and then we have the historical noosec channel overflow is essentially the CMS river. That's just naturally where the noosec has been going for hundreds, if not thousands of years. 149 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:31,680 And so when it gets overflows, that's where it heads. 150 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:34,080 It just heads into that old channel. 151 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,300 A bigger issue that's on the regulatory front, 152 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,160 more so than the natural system, 153 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,500 is the issue we have with the FEMA 154 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:47,400 no rise permitting and mitigation requirements. 155 00:15:48,020 --> 00:15:50,180 And that is an issue that says, 156 00:15:50,180 --> 00:15:52,100 a FEMA regulation that says, 157 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,640 you can't have any measurable rise in the river 158 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:03,780 in the floodway and by measurable they mean 0.00 feet or you need to mitigate for that. 159 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,720 So the reason that's a big issue is for instance all of this sediment that's accumulated in 160 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,460 ever since if we go in there and try to remove that that's going to cause more water to go down 161 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:19,740 stream which is going to cause a rise on people further down stream and we need to mitigate for that. 162 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:25,500 So that's part of the constraints that we've got that I don't was not an issue for 30 years 163 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:27,800 to go, but it's an issue we have to deal with now. 164 00:16:27,980 --> 00:16:30,620 So that's why we can't, there's no real, 165 00:16:30,660 --> 00:16:34,180 the quick fixes that a lot of people would like to see. 166 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,920 And yeah, I understand that they want to see that quicker. 167 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,340 So what are we doing? 168 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,100 We've got a strategy or a suite of strategies. 169 00:16:45,740 --> 00:16:48,840 You've heard of widen the corridor, formerly widen the funnel, 170 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,900 which is to provide the more capacity 171 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:54,200 from ever seen all the way downstream 172 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,980 so that when we do increase the river capacity at EverSON, it has a place to go all the way down 173 00:16:59,980 --> 00:17:07,140 stream. Julie mentioned that EverSON looks at berms. We are in a early preliminary engineering where 174 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:12,860 we're looking to build berms to protect those two communities so that when the water does go over the 175 00:17:12,860 --> 00:17:17,640 over the overflow there, which it will in high events, we can protect those communities. 176 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:24,660 We are involved in a city of Sumas flood mitigation planning and projects. 177 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:35,020 We are helping the city of Sumas work through their process locally to come up with a suite of strategies for them. 178 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,440 They don't really have a complete strategy at this point. 179 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:40,960 And it could be building a berm. 180 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:43,780 It could be elevating and moving structures. 181 00:17:43,780 --> 00:17:49,800 It could be a host of things that they could do locally, so we're helping them go through that process and 182 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:53,520 Identify what their strategy is going to be 183 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,920 As Julie has mentioned, we're doing acquisitions and elevations all over the place for people who aren't 184 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:06,260 It's voluntary either to get their homes completely out of harm's way or elevate them. So it minimizes the impacts 185 00:18:06,260 --> 00:18:12,060 We are also working particularly with lumbionation on a couple of other infrastructure improvements 186 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:20,740 raising slater and haxton roads so that those roads aren't inundated and cut off access to those areas during a flood. 187 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:25,800 And we're also looking at other short-term and long-term hazard reduction actions. 188 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:34,860 Particularly we're looking for short-term actions that we could implement like in the next couple years that will at least provide some relief to people in certain areas. 189 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:44,300 As Paula mentioned a couple months ago, you know, the back of the envelope costs is $480 million to implement all these. 190 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:53,540 I'm sure that that is a really rough estimate. It'll probably go up from there. So we're talking big dollars to handle this problem. 191 00:18:54,780 --> 00:19:03,900 I wanted to take just a few minutes to tell you about what flipped, flood-grade, flood-plained, integrated planning, the steering committee is up to. 192 00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:16,280 And for those that need a reminder, it's a technical committee consisting of the county, the main small city, so ever since Nuxax, Sumas, Lyndon and Ferndale. 193 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:22,680 Both our tries, agricultural, community representation, and the Department of Ecology 194 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,620 participates. 195 00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:28,040 The big thing that we've been working on in the past few months is as Julie mentioned, 196 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:29,880 we got a $13 million proposal. 197 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,140 We are working through the committee to how to allocate that money. 198 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,360 So they recently came up with a recommendation. 199 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,000 Also as Julie mentioned, we are working with the ecology in this group to come up with 200 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,300 our next funding request. 201 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:48,900 we are looking something in the neighborhood of 18 to 20 million dollars in the next session that 202 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:54,280 starts this fall or this winter. And we're also working on developing a government structure. 203 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,980 This is a really good collaborative structure, but it's staff-level folks and we need to 204 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:07,100 The structure that allows it to go up to a more higher level people like mayors or city councils 205 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:12,060 or tribal councils. And so we're working on a structure that will allow us to take those recommendations, 206 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:18,020 work it through the proper channels so that we get buy in from all of those entities. And then, of 207 00:20:18,020 --> 00:20:23,980 course, ultimately, if we're implementing it, it'll come through our structure here, which it'll 208 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:27,760 go to the Flood Control Zone District Advisory Committee, and then come to the Board of 209 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:34,940 you guys as the Board of Supervisors before we implement anything. 210 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:40,560 So the Flip Steering Committee, this is what they've come up with with their allocation 211 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,680 of the $13 million. 212 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:49,220 They are recommending allocating $4.25 million to the ever-synooksack berms, $4 million to 213 00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:55,200 widen the corridor, $3 million that we've been working with the city of Sumas on coming 214 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,140 out with, as they developed their big strategy, we said, you know, what are some things that 215 00:21:00,140 --> 00:21:04,580 you guys think you could do like in the next year or two that might help things. So they're 216 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:08,960 working through that process over the next month or two and they're going to come back with us 217 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:16,140 with projects. We're also doing integrated floodplain acquisition and restoration, restoration 218 00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:22,440 has to be a component of all of this or at least mitigation in many cases. So 750K there. 219 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:33,320 And then we're also put out of small pots of money, 500,000, to look at other early actions that we could do outside of Sumas that might be helpful to people in certain areas. 220 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:44,080 And then the Nooksack Tribal Community Flood Access, there's a few areas where they're tribal members get caught off during floods and they wanted us to look at possibly alleviating that. 221 00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:50,100 Again, additional steps here, we're just starting to work with the State Department of Commerce. 222 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,560 to go through the contracting process. 223 00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:58,420 We don't know if we'll have a governance structure in place to run it through, 224 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,920 but we will reach out to all those entities, 225 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,520 and then of course, come back to you guys for approval of that grant. 226 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:20,480 Well, all of this to say that we are going to be taking on some very chunky projects, 227 00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:24,140 a very huge concept that's going to take decades, 228 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:31,080 I think to fully execute, and we are looking at our capacity, both short-term and long-term. 229 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,600 We currently do not have the resources to implement the strategies that are being considered. 230 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,560 We want to set ourselves up for success, so when the funding happens, we have all hands 231 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,900 on deck to do the work and spend out the funding we have. 232 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:51,200 We're currently looking at the entire program and considering what resources we need to be successful. 233 00:22:51,200 --> 00:23:11,540 So if you look at this slide, we've got some project delivery needs, we're going to need technical consultants, project and grant management help, construction management, property acquisition and structure elevation, that's going to be a very large piece that has to be accomplished before we can actually build something and community engagement and outreach. 234 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:17,720 We're also looking at our internal capacity for river and flood, and, as Gary mentioned, 235 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:23,900 we're assigning some natural resources staff to river and flood in the short term. 236 00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:28,480 So if there's any questions about that, you may ask. 237 00:23:35,170 --> 00:23:38,530 And lastly, we're almost done for if you're keeping time there. 238 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:45,970 So the river and flood budget and staffing constraints, we're working on the budget right now. 239 00:23:45,970 --> 00:24:15,010 Of course, you guys will get that next month, but I can tell you that the flood fund is extremely tight, if we had to live within what we're currently bringing in, we would have to cut back considerably on what we're doing, and what is causing that, well, rising construction costs inflation, so and plus the size of the projects we're doing are getting bigger and so in cases where we have a 20% match for instance, 240 00:24:15,010 --> 00:24:22,110 the bigger the project, the more expensive, the bigger our 20% and that's taking up more more 241 00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:29,990 more and more of our budget. Not all secured grants cover stat county staff time. The 13 million 242 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:36,590 dollars we just got it does essentially cover zero staff time. So we're having to cover all of that 243 00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:43,670 with flow control zone district funding. And then furthermore, you know, we've got limited capacity 244 00:24:43,670 --> 00:24:50,110 across the entire divisions that are funded by the flood funds so natural resources and storm 245 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:55,370 water are also very tight so we're having a hard time moving people into places where they 246 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:59,970 could help out more. So what are we doing in the short and long term? 247 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Well, we have left one natural, we have one natural resources position that's been vacant for a while that we are reassigning to the river and flood division and reclassifying that. 248 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:20,980 That's, we're working with the Executive Office right now to get that into place so we can get that extra position as soon as possible with basically our current funding. 249 00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:27,400 And in our budgeting process, both last year and this year, we've had to delay a few projects 250 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,000 because we just didn't have the money for it. 251 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:34,740 One of the projects that Julie mentioned, for instance, the mitigation, the Wetland 252 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:40,260 mitigation project, Dalburg, that's going to help us out a lot when we start construction 253 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:44,720 because we need to do wetland mitigation and having a site that's all set up is going to be great, 254 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:46,780 but we have to front all that money ourselves. 255 00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:52,420 We might be able to charge back to the grants later, but we'll have to see. 256 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,740 And then in the long term, we continue to request additional funding from the state every 257 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:05,920 year where requesting additional money in this $18 to $20 million ask so that we can fund 258 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,620 more of our people and projects. 259 00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:14,040 And we've been working with the Executive's Office and they will be seeking to take some 260 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,940 the bank capacity and the flood fund this year just so we can keep on track with all of these 261 00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:24,820 commitments and community expectations. So you'll find out more about that when the executive 262 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:32,440 releases the budget by September 1st. I think that's all we have. So we have time for questions. 263 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,820 I think we still have about five minutes. Yes, Councillor. I'm standing. Thank you. 264 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:43,240 Gary, what do you think it would take to get to something like what they've done in BC? 265 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,640 with their level of planning. 266 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:52,680 I mean, we're essentially doing that through our strategy that I mentioned here earlier. 267 00:26:53,800 --> 00:27:00,000 They were basically just playing catch up to us because they didn't have any sort of a collaborative process going. 268 00:27:00,580 --> 00:27:02,120 So I think we have it there. 269 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,600 The part that they have done very well if you look on their websites. 270 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,180 They've done a good job of communicating what that is. 271 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:13,500 And that with this consultant and with Jamie's help, we're hoping to get that sort of materials out there, 272 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,200 so that the community knows that what we're up to. 273 00:27:17,140 --> 00:27:20,580 And then do you have a list of like the sticky questions 274 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,620 that you really need elected officials 275 00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:24,420 to answer and decide on? 276 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:27,980 Well, one of them is budget. 277 00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,940 So you'll be getting that. 278 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:33,600 I think I'm not sure, I fully understand your question. 279 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:36,880 I mean, we certainly have some regulatory hurdles 280 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,060 on a lot of these things with these FEMA no rise 281 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:42,920 being as rigid as it is. 282 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,560 that might eventually, might really prevent some of these projects from going forward. 283 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,280 And we have been working with the executive's office, you know, we've been talking to 284 00:27:53,360 --> 00:28:00,920 Congressman Larson and our senators about that need for some regulatory reform there. 285 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,400 And it's not just us, other jurisdictions have the same issues. So we are working through those. 286 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,460 I mean, anytime you're talking about changing a federal regulation, it's not a, 287 00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:15,380 It's not an easy task, but yeah, we are. 288 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,760 Did you have something? 289 00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:18,880 If I could. 290 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,520 I'm John Holmes from the County Executive Office. 291 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,120 We've been looking at, there's been some bills at the federal level, 292 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,780 that are looking at least for, like say, wet land recovery projects 293 00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:34,300 to eliminate that no riser or address kind of that technicality. 294 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:39,560 That would help in part, but maybe even a more broader review of some of those 295 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,460 regulations would be helpful when we're having those conversations. Thanks, Gary. 296 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:51,260 Yeah, I'm thinking about, you know, within the first week after the December flood, I wrote 297 00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:56,560 to the executive and I said everything should be on the table. And, you know, there's a number 298 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:03,620 of things that I think haven't come to us in some degree, you know, and one is there have been various 299 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:09,540 conversations about terminology changes from what to do about the sediment. And I'm wondering 300 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:15,280 do you need some type of direction from the council on the appetite on sediment? 301 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:21,820 I mean, part of the issue I think with that is just further with communications, just 302 00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:28,140 better communicating to the community, what the issue is and how we can solve it. 303 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,740 I think that that's a big piece that we're working on getting that out. 304 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:38,240 Um, I guess I'm trying to think of terminology. 305 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,400 We talk about directing. We talk about scalp. 306 00:29:41,420 --> 00:29:45,360 We talk about, you know, some of the areas where things are building up. 307 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,740 And I don't know if you, one of the things I always hope is that 308 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,500 folks do come to us when they say, hey, there are some decisions that have consequences. 309 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,980 And sometimes you do need elected officials to make those decisions and to own 310 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:14,320 Those decisions, and I signed up for that, and I think my other colleague stood as well. So if there are decisions like that that are difficult to make at a staff level, I would want to know what I mentioned by their colleagues, we would want to know so that we can help give that direction. 311 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:27,000 Sure. I mean, I think widen the corridor or the whole concept, it's going to, if you're going to be setting back levies and providing the river more room, you know, that takes land, and that's going to be controversial. We don't. 312 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:33,360 we don't have a map yet of exactly where we need to go, but those are going to be certainly 313 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:40,280 difficult conversations with people if we need to take, if we need additional land to make 314 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,800 that work. 315 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:43,340 So there's plenty of issues like that. 316 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:49,320 We're just not to a point where we have something to present that we need quite direction 317 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:56,700 on, but if you're thinking, I think as we work through the steering committee, those issues 318 00:30:56,700 --> 00:31:02,620 are going to be more articulated better that we can bring that and say, hey, here's, for 319 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:08,680 instance, you know, here's just a strategy that we're, that we're coalescing around, you 320 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,940 know, an endorsement of that strategy perhaps. 321 00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:12,120 Yeah. 322 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,700 I think about that with the white and the corridor and the overflow, right? 323 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:20,320 Because if ever soon a nooksacker building their berms, if Sue Mass makes their decision 324 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,300 on what they want to do, that potentially does put more water that's stain in that channel. 325 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:30,620 and then impacts the properties there, which there's a mix of residential, 326 00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:37,100 agriculture, some other uses in there, and we would have to do something for those properties. 327 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,440 Right. So I mean, those are types of decisions that, you know, we'll have to make at some point 328 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:49,260 if it helps to have some direction sooner rather than later. I think you'd find an interest in that 329 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:56,280 discussion on this council. Sure. Sure. I'll definitely keep that in mind and work with the 330 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:02,340 Related to that wasn't wondering, um, do you want to address that because I have one other question? 331 00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:03,000 I don't think so. 332 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,820 But if you're other. 333 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,380 It's related to the EverSON overflow corridor. 334 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:10,740 How does the FEMA no rise come into play with that? 335 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,420 So if, if EverSON and Nuxack are moving forward with berms, 336 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,340 when the water jumps, the banks. 337 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,500 More water will stay within that corridor because it's not going into the cities of EverSON and Nuxack. 338 00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:24,680 So how does that come into play? 339 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:31,200 Well, the, what we're working on right now is seeing if we can design the berms in a way is that it doesn't increase. 340 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,480 It doesn't lead to more water in more places north of there. 341 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:44,640 So, that's one thing that they're working on with, with, with the studies they're doing right now is to try to find, can we do it without creating a rise? 342 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,820 And if we do create a rise, then how do we mitigate that? 343 00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:51,440 We know that, I mean, if we even if we protect 344 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,700 and looks at an ever-scent, and Canada is able to protect 345 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:58,920 their areas, you know, we've got the Sumas area 346 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,020 that we have to come, it's got to be dealt with somewhere in there. 347 00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:05,880 So, but the first choice right now is to try to do it without having 348 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,580 a rise so that we don't have that regulatory problem. 349 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,300 Deputy Executive Scott Bessler, and then we have Councilmember 350 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:18,740 we can and in Strumler, and I think we need to wrap it up. 351 00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:19,280 Thank you. 352 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:19,700 I'll be brief. 353 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:19,960 Yeah. 354 00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:21,380 Councilmember Schimmel, and thanks for the question. 355 00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:26,380 I hear that in the community, and from other elective officials, as well, we want the major 356 00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:27,960 decision points to be elevated. 357 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,100 I hear this a lot, particularly when we're talking about potential downstream impacts, 358 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,760 as a result of flood mitigation projects. 359 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,340 I think our office can do a better job signaling to the Council in the community when federal 360 00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:42,360 and state regulatory processes, preamplocal decision making, and when there is an actual 361 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,860 decision to make for mayor's county councils and other leaders. 362 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,200 So we'll try to be more clear about that going forward. 363 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,120 But yeah, I definitely want to signal that to some extent, many of these things are 364 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,480 outside of our control and it's a matter of navigating these really complex regulatory 365 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,000 processes. 366 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,500 Thank you. 367 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,040 Councilmember, we can't in. 368 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:06,200 Not a question, but Gary, I just wanted to give you a cool dose. 369 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,460 You're on the right track with all this communication. 370 00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:17,800 I think keeping ahead of it on the communication side is critical to you know for the public to really get a good feel of what we're doing 371 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,460 So thank you for that. 372 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,340 Sure. 373 00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:21,520 Thank you. 374 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,100 I'll remember strongly. 375 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:22,760 Yeah. 376 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,000 Thanks. 377 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,220 What was that awareness week? 378 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,560 What was the date on that? 379 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,460 12 through the 19th. 380 00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:30,020 Okay. 381 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:31,060 Is that community? 382 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,160 Actually, I should say it's preparedness week. 383 00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:33,920 Yeah. 384 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,280 Oh, prepare. 385 00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:42,500 Okay. I think yeah. Is the one community event probably going to be within that week? That's what we're trying to schedule. Yes. Okay. 386 00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:52,540 And then also hopefully this doesn't get too technical, but you mentioned, you know, BC with their pump stations and what they're doing there is. 387 00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:58,140 Since everything is hopefully on the table, is that something we can do here? 388 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,980 Well, the issue that they... 389 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,560 I just think we do that here. Yeah, so they have an old lake bottom that they've 390 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:13,080 diked off. And when, so it gets all the drainage, you know, during a rain event, all that drainage 391 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,520 goes to a low point that has to be pumped back into the river. They are trying to be able 392 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:26,360 in the 2021 flood, they're a levee failed and then just tons of water went into that old lake bed that 393 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,140 had to be pumped out through these pump stations. 394 00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:30,500 So we don't have a situation like that. 395 00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:32,920 I mean, they've got an old lake bottom with no outlet 396 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,620 in the outlet is the pump station. 397 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,640 So, and they're also looking at a pump station. 398 00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:44,080 They have a complicated situation 399 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,980 in that when the Fraser River is high, 400 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,660 they have to close the floodgates for the sumas. 401 00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:53,420 And that means that all the overflow just backs up. 402 00:35:53,420 --> 00:36:04,780 And if they could have because it's they didn't close the gates then the Fraser would flood up them out. So they they're looking at a pump station there as well. So they just have a different situation because they've got those flood gates. 403 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,080 Was there. 404 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,900 I think we need to wrap it up. 405 00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:12,160 I think we need to wrap it up. 406 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:20,560 And that link and we plan to do these somewhat on a quarterly basis. 407 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:20,940 Great. 408 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:22,160 Based on what's going on. 409 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,120 Thank you so much. Thanks to you and your team. 410 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:27,920 Okay, we have three upcoming committee discussions. 411 00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:30,960 The first is AB2026-596. 412 00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:32,940 Discussion regarding the public work six year 413 00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:35,720 transportation improvement program TIP for the year's 414 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:37,280 2027-2032. 415 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,400 And we have done raining business. 416 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:40,260 Thanks so much. 417 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:43,100 Are you going to be leading all three of the next? 418 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:43,760 No. 419 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,300 The next two will be engineering manager Josh C. 420 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:48,320 Okay. Perfect. 421 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:49,420 Thanks. 422 00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:53,280 Hello Council, Doug Ranny, public works engineering. 423 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,680 Thank you for the opportunity to be here before you today. 424 00:36:57,020 --> 00:37:02,360 For this work session on the 2027-226 year transportation improvement program, 425 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,100 or the tip. 426 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,180 All of our engineering managers are either in the room or watching online. 427 00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:11,680 In case I can't answer any questions you may have. 428 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,360 What's the purpose of today? 429 00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:16,540 Just to give you a little bit of the background on what this six year tip is, 430 00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:20,800 and then to go over some example projects on it, 431 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:23,580 what we plan to get up to over the next couple of years. 432 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,840 I'm here today, approximately a month before introduction, 433 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:32,860 and then with the public hearing following that, 434 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,260 just to give the council enough time to take a look at this review, 435 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,780 and ask me any questions, hopefully to make any revisions 436 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:42,740 by the end of the month before introduction. 437 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,860 Okay, so what is the tip? 438 00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:51,800 It's a planning document planning level document that we work off of for projects within the 439 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,580 right of way. 440 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:58,920 All of our engineering sections are included in the creation of this document, along with maintenance 441 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,880 and operations, our stormwater group, and our river and flood sections. 442 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,600 There's a public input process that goes along with this, along with speaking with the 443 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,240 school agencies, school districts, other agencies and advisory committees. 444 00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:17,960 I've actually already 445 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,800 sent this out to that list of people. I haven't heard anything back yet, but that's on the 446 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,940 street for public comment. 447 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,520 This works in tandem with the budget. The first year of the six year 448 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:37,040 becomes our annual construction program, which is the authority for us to spend money. 449 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:39,740 Okay, 450 00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:44,160 So the document is broken into five major sections. 451 00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:48,700 It's the road section, bridge, and fish passage section, 452 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:53,680 a ferry section, a multimodal section, and then a yearly capital section. 453 00:38:56,580 --> 00:38:59,760 The key projects on here include most of our deficient bridges, 454 00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:04,400 our active transportation projects, ADA priorities from our transition plan, 455 00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:08,620 and some stormwater and river and flood capital projects 456 00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:10,680 if we're participating in those. 457 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,020 Some other documents that you'll see with introduction 458 00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:21,880 of the six year is the 2025 annual bridge report 459 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,020 are 14 year ferry capital plan anticipated revenue 460 00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:29,200 and expenditure chart along with financial distributions 461 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,280 by year. 462 00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:36,030 Okay, I'd just like to go through the document quickly 463 00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:39,290 to point out a few projects that I'm excited about. 464 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:45,850 I'd like to start with our one, which is our Drayton Harbor Road Slide Repair Project. 465 00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:51,870 That's a FEMA-funded project that we're going to be going to construction with likely in March of 2027. 466 00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:56,690 We also have our Birch Bay Lyndon Blaine roundabout project. 467 00:39:57,150 --> 00:39:59,990 We're about to obligate federal funds for that and go. 468 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:09,780 About to add and construct that one next year. Here, the community is very excited about that one. The stop signs there back up quite significantly sometimes. 469 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:27,960 Another one I'd like to bring to your attention is our 17, which is a chief martin road. We applied for the new county road administration board, crab, local road, grant project. 470 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,120 And this project scored quite highly on their priority list. 471 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,560 So we're likely to get funding on that. 472 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:44,960 That's not shown on this document yet because we don't know if we're actually going to get that or what amount of money we're going to be getting there. 473 00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:50,260 Our bridge projects are also shown. 474 00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:54,400 We're not going to construction on any bridges in 2027, 475 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,940 But we're heavy into design for some upcoming projects there. 476 00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:08,140 Then there's our fairy section, which for the capital project shows no local funds. 477 00:41:10,020 --> 00:41:17,000 And then in our multi-model capital section, M3, our Alderwood Elementary School, 478 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:23,240 safe routes to school project. We're also likely to be funded on that project for construction. 479 00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:30,900 And then item M4 shoulder improvement for active transportation. That was a suggestion that came 480 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:37,280 out of the transportation element of the comp plan that Chris Komo suggested. Some easy roads 481 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:46,980 that already meet the shoulder width for bike routes. And it's just basically widening the 482 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:52,570 are yearly project. Most of that is eliminated due to budget concerns, but I've got 483 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:59,760 our uninticipated site improvements pretty high. That's setting that money aside for our local 484 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,640 match of any of the grant applications that are currently out there. We would come back to you with 485 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:12,200 a supplemental budget request to move money from that into those projects. And then, overall at the bottom, 486 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,900 You can see that the local share is shown at $3.155 million. 487 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:21,780 That's a $3 million capital spend proposed for 2027. 488 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:29,080 And the extra 135 is the small amount of money in some of the placeholder projects. 489 00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:30,900 In case we need to move money into those. 490 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:39,820 And so the maintenance and operation and road capital share the same pot of money. 491 00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:59,720 So three million may seem low, but maintenance is very important, and they're taking up a majority of our money on this, because they can't leverage their dollars against these grant funds, and all of their money is local. 492 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:08,040 We have a really good options of obtaining grant money, and we go after them aggressively in order to leverage the money that we do have for capital. 493 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:23,800 Okay. Next steps for the council. This will be distributed to you for introduction on the 15th of September, and then for public hearing on the 29th of September. 494 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:34,880 I ask that you take a look at this and come to me or any of my staff with questions, concerns or suggestions, hopefully before August 28th, so I have time to get it into Granicus. 495 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:43,340 I think that's what I wanted to, let's y'all know, do you have any questions for me at this point? 496 00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:45,200 I'll remember the jump there and then it's Kimway. 497 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:45,940 Yeah, thanks. 498 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,300 Doug, you mentioned the Alderwood area. 499 00:43:51,740 --> 00:44:00,660 Is that including the Bennett Road, where the community out there has been asking for some crosswalk, 500 00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:03,460 maybe improvements around the school area, 501 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,180 what might be happening with that? 502 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,440 There's a sidewalk extension thought plan for the south side 503 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,940 of that school triangle. 504 00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:19,340 And then we're working on the crossing there. 505 00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:23,000 I don't think it's part of that program. 506 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,120 This is a safe route to school, 507 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,720 so like sidewalks and off road pedestrian paths. 508 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:37,380 But we have a plan in place and a timeline to get those the crossings in that you're speaking of. 509 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,240 Okay. All right. 510 00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:39,440 Thank you. 511 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,440 Pamlyn. 512 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:46,720 Doug, one of the things we did you might recall in the comp plan is that I'm goal the 5% of funding in the tip. 513 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,700 That gets towards the active transportation network. 514 00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:59,180 Does this plan get us to that for the 27 to 32 timeframe? 515 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,820 Yes, it depends on how you define that 5%, but built into all of these projects, our sidewalks and crosswalks and bike facilities. 516 00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:15,160 And just looking at the M, the multimodal section, 517 00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:23,000 we've got 120,000 in year one. 518 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:34,600 But yes, this, the inclusion of all of these projects, the act of transportation portions of the larger projects, total greater than five percent. 519 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:50,640 Okay, and I recall at one point we had a conversation at some point I think last year about how based on road design standards that generally that's also a good way to get to some of this in addition to the standoff or standalone projects. 520 00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:58,860 Yes, new roads are built to our development standards, which, depending on the classification, includes 521 00:45:58,860 --> 00:46:08,520 bike facilities and average daily traffic, how many cars drive on at a day, so road 522 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:15,620 rehab projects, we don't really modify our existing roads to add five feet of bike 523 00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:20,680 on both sides, but if we were to reconstruct a rotor, build a new road, it would include 524 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,500 bicycle facilities as appropriate in accordance with the standards. 525 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,020 Okay. And do you have a list of those roads that you mentioned that Chris Komo suggested 526 00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:34,520 could potentially be widened a little bit, or at least the shoulder could be widened a little bit? 527 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,060 I think his point was that the shoulders are already wide enough. We just need to designate them. 528 00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:46,440 I'll just hop in my head. I don't know what those roads are. Okay. And again, some others. 529 00:46:48,020 --> 00:47:01,820 And then, what is the process if, you know, majority of the council says, you know, we'd rather see this project or another move into move up and another one move down. What is the process for doing that? 530 00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:13,130 I would say come to me early before August 28th so that we have an opportunity to adjust 531 00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:20,310 this document. This is ultimately engineering's professional recommendation to you and 532 00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:28,990 you can make changes to this. As you see fit, I would offer a recommendation for against 533 00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:37,630 But ultimately, it's the council that approves this document, sets priority based on engineering 534 00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:37,990 judgment. 535 00:47:39,350 --> 00:47:39,570 Thanks. 536 00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:46,130 And then, you know, we've been in some conversations about Demaine in some of the work being 537 00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:47,930 done kind of near the school. 538 00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:53,670 We had that conversation here in council, you know, when community members asked for some 539 00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:54,430 of that work. 540 00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:58,590 I don't know where things are out with the tribe with their plans for the roundabout, but 541 00:47:58,590 --> 00:48:05,370 Is there any work that we would have planned to coincide with that in any of the county maintain roads in that area? 542 00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:08,600 No. 543 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:17,760 The state is doing a fish passage replacement project next summer, and they're going to be detouring traffic onto Deming and Mitchell. 544 00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:26,360 The status of that roundabout is kind of in flux we haven't heard much recently on that. 545 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:33,620 and they've had some transition at the tribe and we we're not sure the status of that. 546 00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:38,940 Okay, they're been in other conversations with the school about some of their requests. 547 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,420 I haven't had any, we directed them to the state because the highway is at the state responsibility. 548 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:51,660 I think the state was looking at alternatives and analysis or a study at that intersection. 549 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,120 I coordinate with the local wash-out office quarterly. 550 00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,460 I'll be sure to ask her next time. 551 00:49:00,820 --> 00:49:02,500 We have that if anything's come to that. 552 00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:05,360 Okay, yeah, maybe we can reach out to them again to see, 553 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,200 as I know, they were trying to get something together 554 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,820 for this past legislative session, 555 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,660 didn't get everything together in time, 556 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:15,780 but maybe we can reach out to see what they need 557 00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:18,020 to get things ready and just given that. 558 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:30,400 You and your team have more familiarity with that process and might be able to give some good professional advice to the school district about how to get their things in order so that they could get those funds. 559 00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:37,710 And then I do need to spend more time with this list just to see where things are at. 560 00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:38,230 I do too. 561 00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:39,850 There's a lot there. 562 00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:40,270 Yes. 563 00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:42,830 Thank you so much, Doug. 564 00:49:42,830 --> 00:49:45,290 I really appreciate your information today. 565 00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:47,530 Any other last minute questions? 566 00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:48,610 Great. 567 00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:52,710 is there a associate map 568 00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:54,810 you have asked for that in the past 569 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:57,430 I consider let's see 570 00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:59,970 I don't think we put that together 571 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,540 I will make sure that we have it for the 15th. Okay. I think that's helpful just to just help us 572 00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:13,990 right to visualize it and then also to think about, are we supporting the whole community? Are there 573 00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:19,350 more projects in one place that may be back to historical decisions, right? That, oh, one part of the 574 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:24,610 community had more work this year or so. We're going to focus somewhere else. But I think that's also 575 00:50:24,610 --> 00:50:30,290 helpful just to think about, are there areas of the community that we're prioritizing more than others? 576 00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:32,590 Thank you. 577 00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:33,010 Thanks Doug. 578 00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:34,090 Okay. 579 00:50:34,850 --> 00:50:35,110 Thanks. 580 00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:39,790 Next on our Community Discussion is AB2026-600. 581 00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:44,110 Discussion of a Resolution Modifying the Public Works Six Year Transpiration Improvement 582 00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:46,490 Program for the Year's 2026-2031. 583 00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:49,830 And this is also on our Council agenda for an introduction tonight. 584 00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:52,130 And we have Josh here with us. 585 00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:54,290 I counsel Doug Ranny Public Works Engineering. 586 00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:59,430 I'd like to introduce Josh C. H. The Engineering Manager for the Design Construction 587 00:50:59,430 --> 00:51:03,870 section to tell you the what and why. Thank you. 588 00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:05,130 Good afternoon council. 589 00:51:05,830 --> 00:51:09,630 I'm going to go ahead and present on both this item and the next because they're directly related. 590 00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:14,750 So I'll Doug's coming to you today with the future step, the 2027-2032. 591 00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:19,570 I'm here to hopefully get an amendment to the current one, the 2026-2031, 592 00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:23,830 as well as the 2026 annual construction program. 593 00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:25,950 So both of these amendments are related the same. 594 00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:27,610 I just need to read it into the records. 595 00:51:29,090 --> 00:51:34,490 That's okay. Thanks, Josh. We'll also be discussing AB2026-601 discussion of a resolution 596 00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:38,730 in Mending the 2026 annual vote program. This is also in the council dinner for introduction 597 00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:43,130 this evening. Thanks, Josh for that. No problem. So, both of these relate to the same project. 598 00:51:43,210 --> 00:51:49,690 This is the Everton Goshen and Smith Road intersection improvements project. It is listed in the 2026 599 00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:55,790 and beyond six year. It's not listed in the current year in 2026. And so, it also does not show 600 00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:59,250 up on the current 2026 annual construction program. 601 00:51:59,990 --> 00:52:02,150 This project, we do want to get something done here. 602 00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:03,270 There's a little background on this. 603 00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:04,870 You may know this intersection, maybe not. 604 00:52:05,350 --> 00:52:08,450 The state built a undersized compact roundabout here 605 00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:12,050 as part of a detour for the state highway back in 2015. 606 00:52:13,770 --> 00:52:16,390 That roundabout, not having a lot of the features, 607 00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:18,430 we would typically have in a roundabout 608 00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:20,530 and that being one of our highest collision intersections 609 00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:23,030 in the county and was removed afterwards. 610 00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:24,630 So it's back to a four-way stop. 611 00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:28,830 This has been on our radar as one we'd like to do an improvement to get back to you 612 00:52:28,830 --> 00:52:31,330 there around about where another intersection that flows better than that 613 00:52:31,330 --> 00:52:36,050 always stop. But if we do around about putting in the chicanes and the illumination 614 00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:40,450 and the other things it will actually make it a safe and great intersection. 615 00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:45,370 So this has been on our step. This is one that we've had our eye on. This year the 616 00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:49,650 Wattcon Council of Governments had redistributed STBG funding available since 617 00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:53,610 some of our other partners did not meet their federal targets as they were 618 00:52:53,610 --> 00:52:55,750 looking for new homes for STBG money. 619 00:52:56,370 --> 00:52:58,650 We were very happy to take on some new funding. 620 00:52:59,230 --> 00:53:04,230 We took on $300,000 of STBG for the preliminary engineering phase. 621 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:08,470 And that came to council, the obligation for that came to council back in June. 622 00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:12,030 And was executed by the state on July 14th. 623 00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:13,470 So we already have that executed. 624 00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:18,810 But now in order to spend this money and get started on this design, I do need to modify 625 00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:26,370 the 2026 ACP and the step to show this project having money in the current year. So I need a commitment of 626 00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:33,290 about $10,000 of local funds to match about, I'm figuring we can spend about $70,000 of that $300,000 627 00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:39,090 STBG this year, this calendar year, and we'll spend the rest of it in subsequent years. This project 628 00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:46,370 also shows up in Doug's proposal in the 2027 and beyond following the trend that I've laid out for it. 629 00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:53,550 So tonight this will get both of these we'll get introduced tonight, and then they will get voted for 630 00:53:53,550 --> 00:53:56,810 or hearing and vote on September 15th. 631 00:53:57,850 --> 00:54:04,510 Important to note the ACP modification does need a unanimous vote of council per state law. 632 00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:07,010 And that's all I've got any questions. 633 00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:08,890 And council members, Chandler? 634 00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:10,330 Yeah, thanks. 635 00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:28,970 So there must be quite a lot of information that goes into deciding, should we put around about in, or should we do something else, or whatever the solution would be for any particular, let's say intersection. 636 00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:38,650 So obviously that data showed that this particular inner section says this is the best alternative. 637 00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:41,310 Is that good? 638 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:45,690 So we have not completed the alternatives analysis or the intersection control evaluation. 639 00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:50,930 Those will be some of our very first items of work once we do get the preliminary engineering phase started. 640 00:54:51,590 --> 00:54:57,110 So I am saying that I predict this will be around about we have not determined that to be 100% 641 00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:59,310 we will go through the steps to make sure that another... 642 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:08,840 Control system doesn't make more sense here. But in general, I'd say around about going to be the top solution for most of our county intersections, especially in the rural area. 643 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:22,380 And how do you determine, let's say when it comes to intersections, which ones you're going to look into and say we need to evaluate this particular one? 644 00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:31,000 Yeah, so the way that intersections get onto our radar and then mentioned on to the step is either they are a high collision intersection. 645 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,380 So we do track all the collisions on county roads and key track of those. 646 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,220 Or it's a low level of service. So level of services related to the amount traffic. 647 00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:46,800 And a stop sign, for example, our birch bay lended and blame road around about that we're about to install. 648 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:54,680 We're placing stop signs that have a level of service of F, which says that at peak hour a lot of people are waiting to get through that intersection. 649 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:04,640 So those are generally the two things that we see that put an intersection on our radar is either we're not getting good mobility through the intersection or there's a safety issue. 650 00:56:08,380 --> 00:56:10,300 Any other questions from the council? 651 00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:11,780 Yes, Councilmember Skimmy. 652 00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:14,840 I just want to clarify because we've had some email traffic on this. 653 00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:20,540 The unanimous vote requirement is only when council goes to vote at our next meeting, 654 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:21,820 not an introduction. 655 00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:27,260 It's on the final vote, and it only applies to the annual road program item, 656 00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:30,000 not the update to the tip. 657 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,700 So it also means it's a good time to ask questions now. 658 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:40,240 Anybody who has concerns who might not be able to get to, you know, this vote 659 00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:44,670 any questions from our online council members? 660 00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:53,700 I think thank you so much for saving here. Thank you 661 00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:58,440 We have one last item on our agenda for today. It's a committee discussion and recommendation to the council 662 00:56:59,140 --> 00:57:10,040 It's AB 2 0 2 6 5 5 9 ordinance and mending what can county code 24 0 3 food super swirls regulations and we have Tom with us again. Thank you so much for being here 663 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,600 I'm curious. We've had discussion last time. We'd be great if you'd come up. We did discuss 664 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:20,820 this last time, but we had to reintroduce it because we had an error in the title, but if anybody 665 00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:26,520 has any questions, we certainly want to make space for that today. If you want to give us a brief 666 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,620 reminder of what we're discussing about right now. 667 00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:34,040 I have nothing further to offer. My name is Tom Kunish, food safety supervisor for within the 668 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,700 Environmental Health Division. I welcome County Health and Community Services. I don't have anything 669 00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:46,140 further to add from my presentation a couple of weeks ago. But if you have questions, I am here 670 00:57:46,140 --> 00:57:50,050 to answer that. Any questions from the council? 671 00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:55,350 Well, that could be smooth. Great. Can I entertain 672 00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:59,490 a motion? Yes, go ahead. Come from Steve. I was just saying thanks Tom for spending time with us 673 00:57:59,490 --> 00:58:04,650 at the Health Board meeting. I had your voice in my head over the last week and just thinking about 674 00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:11,610 just that reality check you gave us on where foodborne illnesses actually come from. That was just 675 00:58:11,610 --> 00:58:13,770 really helpful. So thanks for doing that. 676 00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:14,150 Mm-hmm. 677 00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:19,110 Would any of you like to entertain a motion or 678 00:58:19,110 --> 00:58:21,170 and propose a motion for movie this month? 679 00:58:21,370 --> 00:58:23,790 Maybe 2026-559 in the full council. 680 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:24,550 Well second. 681 00:58:25,330 --> 00:58:25,510 Oh. 682 00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:27,830 Thanks Jessica as well. 683 00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:31,110 I have a motion by Council Member Scanlan with a second by 684 00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:32,050 Council Member Galloway. 685 00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:35,290 I need a discussion before we call the roll. 686 00:58:36,690 --> 00:58:38,310 Okay. Can I click please call the roll? 687 00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:39,490 Barry Buchanan. 688 00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:40,870 Yes. 689 00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:43,010 Ben, Ellen Boss? 690 00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:47,500 Yes. 691 00:58:49,260 --> 00:58:49,860 Okay, the Galaway? 692 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:50,400 Yes. 693 00:58:50,780 --> 00:58:51,620 Jessica Reenstra? 694 00:58:52,220 --> 00:58:52,540 Yes. 695 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,100 John Scanlan? 696 00:58:54,340 --> 00:58:54,760 Yes. 697 00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:55,740 Mark Stremler? 698 00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:56,200 Yes. 699 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:57,360 Elizabeth Boyle? 700 00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:59,600 Okay. 701 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,100 Well, that motion carried 70. 702 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,240 Thank you so much. 703 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,120 And we'll move that to the seed needs agenda for the recommendation to the book council. 704 00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:10,100 Any items that are by revision or other business? 705 00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:11,920 Okay. 706 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,380 Well, thank you. We are adjourned at 2 o'clock. And I believe we are scheduled to start at 2-10. 707 00:59:18,020 --> 00:59:18,580 I think we can. 708 00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:19,160 Can't you conclude? 709 00:59:19,340 --> 00:59:20,200 2-5 instead? 710 00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:21,540 2-0-5 vote. 711 00:59:21,980 --> 00:59:25,320 We can be in it 2-0-5 for the Council Planning and Development Committee. 712 00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:26,320 Thank you.