1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,040 So, welcome everybody. Um, I'm Deborah 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,279 Carney. I'm the chair. And our voting 3 00:00:05,279 --> 00:00:07,279 members tonight will be Bob Smith and 4 00:00:07,279 --> 00:00:10,240 Roger Lipton. We also have our alternate 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,040 uh Kristen Vivon with us. So, what we'd 6 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:16,480 like to do is start by reading the legal 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,760 notice for our hearing tonight. And let 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,640 me share the screen and bring that up. 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,560 And I will ask our administrative 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,160 assistant, 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Gwen. 12 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,679 Um, 13 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:34,000 okay. That's very odd. 14 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,160 The host isn't allowed sharing for this 15 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:38,480 meeting. 16 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:41,280 >> Um, is that some Did I accidentally do 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:41,840 that? 18 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:42,160 >> I 19 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:43,920 >> You want me to share? 20 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,600 >> I don't know. I've never had that 21 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,840 happen. 22 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:48,399 >> Oh, 23 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:51,520 >> we absolutely need that function. 24 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,079 >> I just um I just did um multiple people, 25 00:00:56,079 --> 00:01:01,910 I think. Um, okay. I 26 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,879 » It says multiple participants 27 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,960 can share simultaneously. I clicked on 28 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,439 >> Can you Can you Can you turn that off, 29 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:11,760 Gwen? So that I can 30 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,320 >> I 31 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:16,479 >> I'll do I Okay, now I can share. Okay, 32 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:17,280 >> there you go. 33 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,119 >> All right. Yes, that was very scary. 34 00:01:19,119 --> 00:01:23,840 Okay. Okay. Um, 35 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,840 okay, Gwen, you you can read at any 36 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,360 time. 37 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,119 >> Okay. Hi, everyone. My name is Gwen. Um, 38 00:01:31,119 --> 00:01:32,960 I am the land use assistant for the town 39 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,880 of Wheatley, and I'll be reading the 40 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,079 legal notice. So, notice is hereby given 41 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:39,840 that the zoning board of appeals of 42 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,320 Weightley will hold a public hearing on 43 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:45,520 Thursday, December 4th, 2025 at 6:00 44 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,920 p.m. Bayate Blasting, Inc., owned by 45 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,079 Denise Dennis uh Baltazar of Lello MA 46 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:54,399 has applied to amend an existing special 47 00:01:54,399 --> 00:01:57,280 permit to allow for the installation of 48 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,880 a new storage silo magazine on the 49 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,880 premises located at 71 Chestnut Plane 50 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,759 Road in Wheatley pursuant to article 51 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:10,319 7131 52 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:13,360 of the Wheatley zoning accordance 53 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,360 the hearing will take place virtually 54 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,520 via Zoom the rules of the decor forum 55 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,920 for a public hearing remain in effect 56 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:21,760 and the chair's person will seek 57 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,680 comments from the public when 58 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,400 appropriate to do so. Application to 59 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,720 amend the special permit is to be 60 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,280 considered under under the provisions of 61 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,800 the Wheatly zoning bylaws as provided by 62 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,440 MGLC 63 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,560 4A. This notice is also published 64 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,120 electronically on the uh 65 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,720 www.recorder.com 66 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,239 public notices and ww.mmasspublic 67 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:50,239 notices.org. 68 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:52,480 >> Okay. Do you have by any chance, Gwen, 69 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,000 the dates it was published in the 70 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,560 recorder? If not, I can find it in past 71 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,840 records. If you don't, it's okay. 72 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,959 >> Um, not offh hand, but I will make sure 73 00:03:02,959 --> 00:03:05,200 I information next time. 74 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,760 >> Okay. No, that's okay. That's fine. Um, 75 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,159 Mr. Valtazar, did you notice any errors 76 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:12,080 or omissions in this? 77 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,680 >> I did not. No. 78 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,319 >> Okay. I will note one, which is that 79 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:20,560 under um our new our most recent um 80 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,280 zoning bylaws, the special permit is now 81 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,959 under 171-37 82 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:30,640 uh as opposed to 171-31. 83 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,840 Um, and I also just want to read into 84 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,159 the record at the beginning that in 85 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,720 addition to asking for the installation 86 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,599 of this new silo, you are also asking to 87 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:47,599 increase condition A of the 2013 88 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:52,400 permit from nine storage magazines to no 89 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,680 restriction on the number of magazines. 90 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Um although your total storage um is 91 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,480 still staying at no more than 180,000 92 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,480 pounds. So just to be clear at this 93 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,920 moment you have a permit for nine. You 94 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,480 are asking to increase 95 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,639 to 10 and also to change a condition so 96 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:19,759 that there is no restriction on the 97 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,680 number. Is that correct? 98 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,400 >> Uh not entirely. We're not looking to 99 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,280 increase to 10 magazines. 100 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:30,479 We're looking to maintain the 180,000 101 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:34,720 pounds. Uh instead of uh splitting them 102 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,639 up into currently it's nine different 103 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:38,639 magazines, we would like the ability to 104 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,759 have larger a larger magazine. 105 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:45,440 >> Uh so the total storage would not exceed 106 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,560 the same 180,000 lbs. We just want to be 107 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,880 able to break up the storage into 108 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,520 different sized containers, so to speak. 109 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,280 >> Right. But you're also asking for no 110 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,520 restriction on that number of containers 111 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,759 slashmagazines. 112 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,720 >> Yeah, we're we're asking that uh we 113 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,520 thought it'd be s uh simpler to just uh 114 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,440 not restrict the number of magazines and 115 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,120 keep the same total poundage. 116 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,800 >> Okay, that I understand. And I just want 117 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,360 to make that clear for the record that 118 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,400 um there was an a request for condition 119 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,199 change as well as a construction of this 120 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:23,360 new silo/magazine. 121 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,440 I realize that those terms are in 122 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,960 interchangeable and I just want to make 123 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,120 sure that that is how you understand it 124 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,560 as well. 125 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,280 >> Yes. 126 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:34,960 >> Okay. Um, and also just to mention that 127 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,440 um, we I we do thank you for the 128 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,600 detailed response to the criteria for 129 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,919 the special permit that you included, 130 00:05:41,919 --> 00:05:43,919 but we also need to take a look at your 131 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:46,639 application um, in light of the fact 132 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:48,880 that the business is being situated in 133 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,960 the aquifer protection district. So, 134 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,520 we'll be looking at that bylaw as well. 135 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,199 So, let me stop this share. Um, at this 136 00:05:57,199 --> 00:05:59,759 point, you know, we are you are welcome 137 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:03,199 to um summarize briefly if you'd like 138 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:05,039 your petition to the board. And if you'd 139 00:06:05,039 --> 00:06:08,160 like, I can call it up if you want me to 140 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,280 um have you walk it through. 141 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,080 >> Yeah, I mean I was waiting our uh land 142 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,919 surveyor Rob Lev uh and associates. Uh I 143 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:20,880 don't see that. Are they on yet? 144 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,960 >> I don't see them. Everybody who is who 145 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,360 is in our is nobody's in our waiting 146 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,440 room. Everyone is here on the screen. 147 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,960 >> Okay. Yeah. They they prepared the 148 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,039 paperwork and and would have uh perhaps 149 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:35,440 more information as it relates to, you 150 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,199 know, the specific town codes and 151 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:40,479 bylaws. Um 152 00:06:40,479 --> 00:06:41,840 >> Okay. Um 153 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:43,440 >> yeah, I'm sorry. They prepared the 154 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,759 information for us on our behalf. 155 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:47,039 >> Do you want to give them a call, see 156 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:47,680 where they are? 157 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,360 >> Yeah, let me do that right now. I 158 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,240 apologize. 159 00:06:50,240 --> 00:08:14,869 >> Yeah. Why don't you mute yourself? 160 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:18,400 John, you're on. 161 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,440 >> I am here. Yes. I apologize. Um I was 162 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,039 admitted late and wasn't sure what the 163 00:08:23,039 --> 00:08:25,039 discussion was about. I I apologize for 164 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:26,319 taking the time. 165 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,879 >> That's okay. Um would you like me to 166 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:31,039 bring up your application? I Well, 167 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:32,640 actually, let me stop you for one 168 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,039 moment. I'm sorry. We do have our fire 169 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:38,640 chief with us here. JP, are you still 170 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,070 with us? 171 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,480 Has he left? 172 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,240 Okay. I wanted to give him the 173 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,640 opportunity to ask his questions because 174 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,959 he's on a limited time. Um, but perhaps 175 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:55,279 he'll come back 176 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:58,320 so I can also text him as well. Would 177 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,680 you like me to pull up your application 178 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:03,600 >> if you'd like? Either that or the plan. 179 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,880 I'm not sure which is is uh better uh 180 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,720 for viewing. 181 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,839 >> Okay. Well, the plan I everything is put 182 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:14,320 into 183 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,880 Okay. Do you have All right. Let me just 184 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,399 Do you would you like to be made a 185 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,160 co-host and pull it up yourself? if 186 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,399 you'd like because I I did create uh in 187 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:26,320 the last 15 minutes a plan with a little 188 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,920 color on it that might make it a little 189 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,760 more visible to to especially on a 190 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,440 screen. So that would be if you could 191 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:32,959 that'd be great. 192 00:09:32,959 --> 00:09:34,399 >> Gwen, do you want to go ahead and do 193 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:35,120 that? 194 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,399 >> I could do that now. 195 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:40,949 >> Okay. 196 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:45,829 » Um hold on. 197 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:49,519 » Gwen, are you there? 198 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:51,600 I just see John Kenny needs to be 199 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,880 admitted in so I just added him in. 200 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:55,760 >> Okay. Do you want 201 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,240 >> I was I was taking 202 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,200 Sorry. 203 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,710 >> Okay. We need We need to make um 204 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Okay. I'm just John John who's on the 205 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,800 screen. We need to make him the co-host 206 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,920 so that he can share the screen. 207 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,360 >> Right. Okay. Yes, I will figure that out 208 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,279 right now. Um Make co-host. Okay. 209 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:23,440 >> Yes. 210 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:30,230 I just made him co-host. 211 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,399 » With any luck, you may be looking at my 212 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,760 screen at this point. 213 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,800 >> We are. 214 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,440 >> All right. Yes. Um 215 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,920 >> I don't know. Would would you like me I 216 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,240 don't mean to take over the meeting, but 217 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,920 would you like me to at least give a 218 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,079 brief explanation of of the plan in 219 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:47,360 front of you? 220 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,120 Yes, we would like you to present your 221 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,360 request to the board and then we have 222 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:52,720 our questions 223 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,200 >> by all means. Um, 224 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,279 by way of formal introduction, my name 225 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:01,839 is John Mik. I am uh uh representing uh 226 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:04,800 Mr. uh Dennis Baltazar, the owner of 227 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Bayate Blasting. I work for Arloc 228 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,000 Associates. Uh we have prepared uh the 229 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,399 plan in front of you this evening uh on 230 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:14,160 the screen as well as the application 231 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,360 that uh you mentioned uh to amend an 232 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,920 existing uh special permit uh that was 233 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,760 issued to uh base 8 blasting in uh 2013 234 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,160 when they took over this site from the 235 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,800 prior uh operator who was running a 236 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,640 similar operation. Um the property is 237 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,200 approximately 40 acre parcel located on 238 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,519 the westerly side of of Chestnut Plane 239 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:40,399 Road. Um it's accessed through a uh 240 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,040 gravel drive through a a narrow access 241 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,079 strip. Um from the westerly side of the 242 00:11:46,079 --> 00:11:49,040 road, it rises uh roughly from elevation 243 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:55,040 175 or so to the uh site of the um 244 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,839 operations, if you will, roughly uh 245 00:11:57,839 --> 00:12:01,519 elevation 260 to 290 depending upon 246 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:04,560 where you are on the site. Um, they are 247 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,680 currently permitted to store, excuse me, 248 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,920 up to 180,000 pounds of explosives in a 249 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,040 total of up to nine magazines. Uh, we 250 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,279 are proposing, we're before the board 251 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:20,800 tonight to uh uh try and permit a an 252 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,440 additional silo to be constructed uh in 253 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,720 this area uh located uh 76 uh feet or 254 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,959 more from the uh northerly property 255 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:34,160 line. Um, again, we've shown uh we've 256 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,680 survey located the houses that are uh 257 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:41,519 within the area of concern to the 258 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:44,720 proposed new uh site improvements. Uh we 259 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,160 have the house at 141 uh West Bridge 260 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,639 Road located here and we have the two 261 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:53,600 houses on Chestnut Plane Road uh number 262 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,600 69 and number 73 with the associated 263 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,279 1515 264 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:02,399 foot radi uh sketched in in uh the 265 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:04,160 magenta colored lines and they're 266 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,560 dimensioned with the red and the again 267 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,839 the proposed uh new construction is 268 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:12,800 located outside all three of those radi 269 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,440 um And the uh as I said, it's it's shown 270 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,639 um located area that isn't currently uh 271 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:23,120 developed, if you will. But um we're 272 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,279 proposing the location in that that 273 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:28,240 general vicinity. Um I'm not sure if Mr. 274 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Beltazar has anything further to add 275 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,519 regarding the the uh brief presentation 276 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:35,920 about the site, but uh I I've not had 277 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,399 opportunity to actually be on site, so 278 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,720 I'm at something of a disadvantage. But 279 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,399 um that is the uh the rough layout of of 280 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:47,920 the the operation and be happy to uh try 281 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,519 and answer any questions that the board 282 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:50,560 may have. 283 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,399 >> Okay. And thank thank you for that. I do 284 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:55,200 want to just ask JP are I know that 285 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,519 you're on a time constraint possibly. 286 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:00,000 Would you like to raise your um 287 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:05,829 questions now if you have to leave? 288 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:12,230 JP, you're muted. 289 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,120 Sorry about that. Um, yeah, I I've got 290 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,760 probably another 25 um or 30 minutes or 291 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,160 so um in the window here, so I'm doing 292 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,079 okay. But uh if you want to give me the 293 00:14:22,079 --> 00:14:25,040 opportunity um I would have a few 294 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,399 questions um regarding the storage um at 295 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:31,360 the site and the proposed changes. 296 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,959 >> Um 297 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,680 I'm not really familiar with the silo 298 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,160 the proposed silo. Um I'm assuming that 299 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,639 this would be for ammonium nitrate fuel 300 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:44,320 oil um mix like an AN anfo or what what 301 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,160 exactly is going to be in the silo? 302 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,199 >> Yeah, it's for ANFO. Correct. 303 00:14:49,199 --> 00:14:51,360 >> And what is the storage capacity of the 304 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,720 magazine? 305 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,160 >> Uh so this Yeah, this particular silo is 306 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,440 60,000 pounds which is about 5600 307 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,720 gallons. 308 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,320 >> Okay. 309 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,519 >> I'm sorry, how many gallons? Uh, imagine 310 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:10,720 a 5600 a 5,600galon tank on stilts. 311 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,000 >> Um, okay. I do have a question. When I 312 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,040 met with the fire marshall on Monday, he 313 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,040 said that these were pellets and that 314 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,199 they would not become liquefied until 315 00:15:21,199 --> 00:15:23,920 they went to the job site. Is this 316 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,120 liquid or is it a solid? 317 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,120 >> No, this is Anfo. It's ammonium n It's 318 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,680 ammonium nitrate with fuel oil. 319 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,920 >> So, it is liquid. 320 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,600 Yes. Yeah. 321 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:36,160 >> Okay. 322 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,360 >> It's an emotion. Yeah. 323 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,079 >> Okay. 324 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:42,160 >> I think it's granular, I think, is what 325 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,920 you're my understanding, right? 326 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,199 Typically, 327 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:48,800 >> yes, it's it's an emulsion. So, it's it 328 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,959 >> it's an emulsion. Yes. Okay. 329 00:15:50,959 --> 00:15:53,680 >> Um I'm sorry JP, I just wanted to get 330 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:54,399 that detail. 331 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,240 >> Sure. No, I understand. So, this will be 332 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,560 um in a slurry or in a dry um a dry 333 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,680 compound? It'll it'll be delivered uh 334 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,279 for as one unit. We'll be Yeah, we'll be 335 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,600 purchasing from there's a few limited 336 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,600 vendors and and they'll deliver it in 337 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,920 their trucks uh to fill the silo. 338 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,480 >> Okay. But it it just so that I'm I'm I'm 339 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,120 clear, it's not going to be um the same 340 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,279 product as we would find in a 50 lb bag. 341 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:22,720 It's going to be in a slurry. 342 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,440 >> Correct. 343 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,279 >> Be ready to pump out of a truck. 344 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:26,959 >> Correct. Yes. 345 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:29,040 >> Yeah. They're just uh we've decided to 346 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,959 go go with the route that there no 347 00:16:30,959 --> 00:16:33,279 premixing that it it's it's mixed at the 348 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:36,399 manufacturer ahead of time. 349 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:38,399 >> Okay, that's in contrary to what the 350 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:40,399 fire marshall told me, but please go 351 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:51,590 ahead with your questions JP. 352 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,759 » Hello. 353 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,240 I think he said a screen freeze. 354 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,639 Okay, 355 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:06,630 JP, can you hear 356 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,000 gosh? Okay, who can hear me? 357 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,679 >> I can hear you. I can hear you. 358 00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:14,959 >> Okay, so JP, where are you? 359 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:18,480 >> Um, I just had a um screen freeze also 360 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,720 and it kicked me out, so I had to sign 361 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,039 back in. So, just letting you know. I 362 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:23,520 think it's 363 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,559 >> Oh, okay. Okay. 364 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:28,480 It just happened to me. Okay. So, I'm 365 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,710 sure he'll come back in. 366 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,600 » Can I throw out some questions to the to 367 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,360 the presenter? 368 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,600 >> I'm sorry, Roger. 369 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,039 >> While we have this dead time, I have 370 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:42,240 some questions to the 371 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,080 >> Yes, please. 372 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,919 >> John, those those radi they indicate 373 00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:50,559 1500 feet or more from the nearest 374 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:55,200 residences. those 15-15 foot radiuses 375 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,960 radi more are are from the nearest point 376 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:05,600 of the house to the uh the the locust uh construction site in question. Yes. 377 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:05,840 Okay. 378 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,000 >> And these the houses just to uh 379 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,080 reiterate were survey located uh you 380 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,799 know on ground survey by our crew. uh 381 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:14,559 most of the topography shown was 382 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,120 generated from Noah LAR but the houses 383 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,280 were in fact located uh via on the 384 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,600 ground survey as well as tying into the 385 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:27,270 property lines. So 386 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:33,750 » is do you have a rendering of this silo 387 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,559 a plan for what it looks like and how 388 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:39,679 it's constructed? 389 00:18:39,679 --> 00:18:43,360 >> I do. Yes, I can. Uh, John, can I 390 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,280 forward this to you now? You can share 391 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,240 it. 392 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,200 >> Sure. 393 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,000 >> How tall is it? 394 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,880 >> Uh, it's the tank itself is about 12 395 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,120 vertical feet and it's about 8t 396 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:09,430 diameter. 397 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,440 I just added um JP back in. 398 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,799 >> Okay, 399 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:16,880 >> JP, you were lost to us. Do you want to 400 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,480 continue with your questions? 401 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,440 >> Yeah, my my profound apologies. 402 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,960 Apparently, there's a technology issue 403 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,360 here where I just got I've been kicked 404 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,160 off the second time. So, um um I think 405 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,000 it's my internet connection here. I'm on 406 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,480 my phone now. Um, so what is the height 407 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,880 of the uh of the tank? 408 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,320 >> Do we know? 409 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,280 >> 12 feet. 410 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,080 >> Yeah, the tank itself. Yeah. So, I just 411 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,039 uh sent the uh the cut sheet to John who 412 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:44,720 was going to share it that has a picture 413 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,760 of it. 414 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:46,559 >> Okay. 415 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:49,200 >> But yeah, 12 vertical feet and 8 foot 416 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,799 diameter on the outside. 417 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,799 >> Okay. And is there a containment dyke 418 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,480 around 419 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:55,600 >> said tank? 420 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,559 >> Yes. 421 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:00,640 >> Okay. Um 422 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,200 Is it this may sound is it on an 423 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,240 imperous surface? 424 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,080 >> It would yeah it would be we would have 425 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,000 the foundation design which would 426 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,480 probably be of some thickness or 427 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,160 strength of concrete with with or 428 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,919 without rebar. 429 00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:18,799 >> Okay. And then in in um in winter 430 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:21,840 weather and in the um rainy seasons uh 431 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,640 or rainy weather um will there be a 432 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,600 provision to pump out um any water 433 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,840 that's in that containment um prior to 434 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,679 um utilizing the uh the tank? 435 00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:38,080 >> Uh yes. Yes. 436 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,600 >> Okay. Um, 437 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,440 and I think like all magazines, um, my 438 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,600 concern would be, one of my concerns 439 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,480 would be, um, what the fire load would 440 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,520 be around the area. Um, and I think I'm 441 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,039 sure that's something that the state and 442 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:57,280 the the feds have asked already, but um, 443 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,679 can you just speak to that a little bit? 444 00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:01,039 >> Yeah, I'm sorry. What was the first part 445 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:01,919 of the question? I 446 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:04,240 >> Oh, the the fire load around um the 447 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,280 magazine. Um so how far away from uh 448 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,919 brush and trees and grasses um would the 449 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:10,880 tank be? 450 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,919 >> Right. Yeah. So so basically based based 451 00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:16,559 on 452 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:20,080 >> Hello. Yeah. B b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b based on the the distance 453 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,799 and burm that we build up will dictate 454 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,200 where the other magazines can go. 455 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,760 >> Okay. And and uh the the tree line. I'm 456 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,679 just talking about the tree line and um 457 00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:34,159 and brush and grasses in relation to 458 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:36,799 this one storage silo. 459 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:38,880 >> Oh yeah, John, you might be able to that 460 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,640 distance is better than me 461 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,640 >> from the from the tree line. What's that 462 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,159 scale out to be? 463 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:47,440 >> Uh I mean we have 76 feet minimum for 464 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,080 the uh silo and it would probably be the 465 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,240 tree line as located in that vicinity 466 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,559 looks to be you know 467 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:56,960 >> within 10 to 15 feet of the property 468 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,440 line. So roughly 60 ft. 469 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,159 >> Okay. 470 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:03,039 >> As it currently exists. 471 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,640 >> All right. 472 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,039 Um Okay, that answers the basic 473 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:08,799 questions that I have. I'll I'll let you 474 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:10,480 uh go on. Thank you for that. 475 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,440 >> Um JP, I have a question for you. The fact that the petitioner is asking 476 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,360 Oh, thank thank you. I see the image 477 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:20,320 >> ju just popped in. I I was waiting. 478 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,799 >> Okay, everybody can see that. Um the the 479 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:25,200 fact that the petitioner is asking for 480 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,880 an unlimited number of magazines. 481 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,960 >> But but I'm I'm sorry. We're not we're 482 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,039 not asking for unlimited. 483 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,440 >> You don't want a fixed number. 484 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,120 >> Yeah. Because essentially if if we're 485 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,720 maxed out at 180,000 and this unit takes 486 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,520 60,000 pounds, then that means uh we 487 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,159 could only have six other magazines with 488 00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:47,280 20,000 pounds. 489 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,960 >> Well, that's that's my question. when I 490 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,280 um it seems as though there are many 491 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,440 different kinds of magazines and I know 492 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,280 that the I know that I believe it's the 493 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,000 ATF that establishes how far apart they 494 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,520 have to be from one another. Is that 495 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,400 correct? 496 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,360 >> Right. Yes. 497 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:07,120 >> Okay. Um, so 498 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:11,669 I guess I'm I 499 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:14,080 So the position of those magazines 500 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,200 wherever they're going to be placed, 501 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,360 does is that something that our fire 502 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,240 chief needs to know in case of a brush 503 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,159 fire or something else up there? In 504 00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:27,520 other words, how would anyone know where 505 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,679 those magazines are located? Is will 506 00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:31,520 that be on a map? Will that be available 507 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,080 to all? 508 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,000 Yeah. Yeah. So, we get inspected yearly 509 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,360 by state fire marshal and and we've met 510 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,360 them on site already ahead of time to 511 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,440 make sure that everybody was on board 512 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,840 with this and and the locations and 513 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,080 capacities were all within their 514 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,320 provisions. So, we've already met with 515 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,480 them uh for this site at this location. 516 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,799 >> Okay. So, then if you know that you're 517 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,240 going to put this in with 60,000, 518 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,320 why can't you specify a number of 519 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,960 magazines? I I've under I I've come to 520 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,720 understand that some of these magazines 521 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,200 could be mobile that in other words they 522 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,919 could be in a day box on a truck. 523 00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:14,720 >> So that's I'm just 524 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,320 >> Is that not true? 525 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,279 >> Well, no. These would not be No. So our trucks do have day boxes that 526 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,440 >> the way we work now is our trucks go 527 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,039 there when we need to pick up 528 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,120 explosives. They take them out of the 529 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,640 storage magazines and put them in their 530 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,480 day boxes on the truck to get to the job 531 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,360 site. 532 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:35,760 >> Okay. So why why can you not specify the 533 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,000 number of magazines and where they would 534 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,400 be located? I'm and I'm not challenging 535 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,720 that. I just don't understand it. 536 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,279 >> We just thought it'd be for we did it 537 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,559 for simplicity reasons. Uh to be honest, 538 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,960 we thought it would be easier to not 539 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,360 increase the total uh capacity of the 540 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,919 site. We felt it would be easier to just 541 00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:57,520 say we're not looking to increase our 542 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,600 capacity. We're looking to keep it the 543 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,799 same. We're just looking to store uh 544 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:04,480 we're looking for each individual 545 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,840 storage unit to have different 546 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,840 capacities instead of being locked into 547 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,039 nine 20,000lb units. 548 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,200 >> Okay. So, what would a scenario look 549 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,279 like? What what what's a what's a 550 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,440 combination of magazines? What's their 551 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,039 different what what would be the most 552 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:20,640 and the least you could have in a 553 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,080 magazine? 554 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,919 >> Well, so it depends on the capacity and 555 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:29,919 size of magazine. So currently we're only approved to store 180,000 lbs 556 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:30,960 on this site. 557 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,760 >> That's right. 558 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,520 >> Right. And so we're not looking to 559 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,679 increase that capacity. We're just 560 00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:38,880 looking to change how we store it. So 561 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,080 instead of limiting us to 20,000 lbs per 562 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,760 magazine and have up to 9, we would like 563 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,919 to have the ability to store a larger 564 00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:50,400 capacity in one magazine and then 565 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,799 decrease the number of other magazines 566 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,600 we would have on the site. 567 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,720 Okay. And JP, does that present any kind 568 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,520 of an issue for you is if if you were to 569 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,120 um envision a fire situation? 570 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,440 >> Um, no. I mean, I think as long as we 571 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,679 know where the magazines 572 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:14,080 um individual magazine sites are um and 573 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,840 I mean conceivably there wouldn't be 574 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,880 more than if I if I'm understanding 575 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,400 correctly, we're we're probably looking 576 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,159 at a maximum of seven magazines. Is that 577 00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:27,520 correct? 578 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,600 >> Right. Yeah. Yeah. If you take this 579 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,480 60,000 lb silo, then yes, we'd be down 580 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,640 to six additional magazines for a total 581 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,919 of seven. Okay. 582 00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:38,960 >> Okay. 583 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,159 >> I think it would it would probably make uh make it a little bit easier for 584 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:45,679 people to understand if we just go with 585 00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:47,440 the number seven. I don't know if that 586 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,960 would require an amendment to anything 587 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,440 or not, but um it just helps better 588 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,039 understand. I think there there there is 589 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,960 a concern that you know there might be 590 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,559 that the number of magazines might 591 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,720 actually increase for some reason if you 592 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960 know if it's not limited. 593 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,679 Does that make sense to you? I I I I 594 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:06,880 understand what you were saying. You 595 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,120 were just trying to keep it simple, but 596 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,640 I think that's one of the concerns that 597 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,240 people may have had. 598 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,320 >> Yeah. And we're fine with that. I I 599 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,919 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the 600 00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:17,520 day, you know, we're we're limited to 601 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,039 the 180,000 pounds. If if we want to 602 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,720 specify the permit to be, you know, 603 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,679 seven magazines, I I'm completely fine 604 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:26,799 with that. 605 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,640 >> Okay. All right. That's Thank you for 606 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,679 that. Um 607 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:35,120 Okay. And 608 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,520 now as I mentioned, no, let me just 609 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,880 stop. Does anybody else have any 610 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,480 questions about the structure of this um 611 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,440 >> Yes. 612 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,360 >> Yeah, I have a question. So, you were 613 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,000 describing that you had a containment um 614 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,919 area, but I don't see any containment 615 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:51,200 area in this um 616 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,960 >> I'm I'm I'm so sorry to interrupt you. 617 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,200 Could you identify yourself for our 618 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,919 >> Roger Kennedy, 82 Chestnut Plane Road, 619 00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:07,669 across the street from all of this? 620 00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:11,919 Okay. And can someone answer that? 621 00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:14,399 >> Yes. So, it's within that it it's within 622 00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:17,039 that shell. You're seeing the outer 623 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,360 containment. 624 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,520 >> So, the containment is the is an outer 625 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,720 jacket. 626 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,120 >> Correct. 627 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,640 >> And there's an inner jacket. 628 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,669 >> Yes. 629 00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:29,039 » Okay. 630 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,039 What's What is the What is the jacket 631 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:32,720 made of? 632 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,679 >> Uh I believe everything is uh carbon 633 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,520 steel. 634 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,919 Uh let's see here. 635 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:41,520 >> Yeah, 636 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,039 it's carbon steel. 637 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:44,880 >> Yes. So 638 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,039 I'm familiar with this area over here. 639 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:50,240 There's um the on the map that you 640 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,320 showed um because you know I've lived 641 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,559 here my whole life at least my my 642 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,600 childhood uh life and there's a lot of 643 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,159 wetlands um and marshy areas right there 644 00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:04,310 in that location 645 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,640 right adjacent right next to where that 646 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,520 site is. 647 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,549 There's a brook that runs through it 648 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,080 and you know there there's also a lot of 649 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,600 hunting that goes on. I'll say right at 650 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,029 that right at that boundary line. 651 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,559 » Yeah, I think I would defer to John 652 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,880 right it was the plan was b all that was 653 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,600 taken into consideration. Um, I would 654 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,279 say that the topography that's shown, I see no, you know, indications by the 655 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,600 topography of of a, you know, a stream 656 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,039 or or brook course uh in that vicinity 657 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,559 or anywhere particularly close. Um, 658 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,080 >> yeah, there is right there. You'd have 659 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,039 to walk it. Uh again I with due 660 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:54,960 deference I I have not been to the site 661 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,520 personally but um uh I I don't believe 662 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,279 that our survey cruising you know they 663 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,919 would have presumably located any sort 664 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:03,360 of water course if it had been 665 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,799 encountered in the course of doing the 666 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,000 field work. So 667 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,279 >> the my name is Mike Moore. The Brooks 668 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,720 they run down to Mill River and the Mill 669 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,320 River runs into the Connecticut. 670 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,480 >> The there there is surface running water 671 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,399 on both the north side and right through 672 00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:22,159 the center of that property that come 673 00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:24,640 down and then cross the driveway and go 674 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,880 to the north side of our property which 675 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,919 is at the base of all of this. We are at 676 00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:32,320 73 Chestnut Plane Road. 677 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,399 >> Yeah. that brook that comes right from 678 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:37,840 there goes right into my property. 679 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,279 >> Okay. That is a conservation commission 680 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,840 uh requirement then if if you're working 681 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640 in wetlands in that way that requires a 682 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,399 hearing with them. Um 683 00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:53,360 you're I mean I know you say your 684 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,200 surveyors would have presumably found 685 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,000 that but that needs to be um absolutely 686 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,840 documented. 687 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,080 I'm not sure that these areas have been 688 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,640 designated a wetlands, but there is a 689 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,679 lot of water up there and it's year 690 00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:12,559 round. It is not just in the spring when 691 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:17,669 we have meltoff. 692 00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:18,240 » Yes. 693 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,640 >> Okay. That's not a that's not an issue 694 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,440 for the ZBA, but I will say that any 695 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,600 permit the ZBA issues will have 696 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,000 conditions that it must have have had um 697 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,520 you know that every other town 698 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,830 requirement will have been met. 699 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,960 » Yes. Yeah. And and the grading that will 700 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,480 there's really no grading we'll be doing 701 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,880 up there to install this. It'll be a 702 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,679 flat concrete pad. So the the grading 703 00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,559 isn't going to change. 704 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,720 I have another question about the uh 705 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,399 silo. 706 00:31:52,399 --> 00:32:00,159 Um, so you're saying that if that thing fully leaks, you have that 707 00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:01,919 all contained? 708 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:04,720 >> Yes. 709 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,799 >> In the jacket. 710 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,720 >> Okay. This is um th this is is this your 711 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,080 first time having a liquid an emulsion 712 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,960 since your 2013 permit? 713 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Uh yes. So our our the the magazines we 714 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,399 have there aren't large enough to store 715 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:23,679 this. 716 00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:24,480 >> Okay. 717 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:24,880 >> Yes. 718 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,919 >> Um so that is that's a different kind of 719 00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:30,559 storage and that and as I mentioned at 720 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,559 the start of this hearing, this is 721 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,480 something we need to look at not just in 722 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,399 light of the special permit requirements 723 00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:38,480 which your application was very thorough 724 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,600 about but also uh in light of the 725 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,880 aquifer protection bylaw dis bylaw. Um, 726 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,080 so I I see that we do have um and we'll 727 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,200 get to that. Um, um, we have Judy Marlin 728 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,360 here who is very knowledgeable about 729 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,120 that. Um, okay. If you I think you can 730 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,360 stop sharing. Does anyone have any more 731 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,519 questions about this at all? 732 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,559 >> About what? I I have a qu I don't know 733 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,279 if this is appropriate time, but um is 734 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,720 there a a process for cleanup and 735 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840 notification to the town of any leakage 736 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,710 or spills 737 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,039 » or damage to the structure for whatever 738 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:26,480 reason? 739 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,360 >> Yeah. So, it'll be it'll be inspected 740 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,080 every year. Uh it'll have annual 741 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,440 maintenance, annual inspections. ATF and state fire marshall uh are on site 742 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,360 every year inspecting all our magazines. 743 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,279 So it'll it'll have annual inspections 744 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,320 and annual maintenance. Uh and then you 745 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,880 know the standard protocol would would 746 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,440 uh with any spill would would fall to 747 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,919 you know haz whopper conditions and uh 748 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:54,000 you know you call the authorities OSHA 749 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000 and and whatnot. um you know any any 750 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,669 construction standard spill I would say. 751 00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:07,519 » Okay. Um I I would just mention that um 752 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,159 it's the building inspector who actually 753 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,720 is the enforcement authority for the 754 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:17,119 zoning board's permits. Um and then the 755 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,159 fire marshall and ATF 756 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,119 are they overlook the explosives part of 757 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,240 this. Um, 758 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:28,879 so other other questions on what we've 759 00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:30,560 seen so far from any 760 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,520 >> we have can we have the petition 761 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,440 uh or the petitioner present the the 762 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,839 full petition before we jump into the 763 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:38,879 questions? 764 00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:42,159 >> Yeah. And so now I can bring that up. I 765 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:47,109 can share that. Um 766 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,119 » I mean I have some other questions too. 767 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,399 I don't know if it's the right time to 768 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:52,960 ask it about, you know, but this you 769 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,359 mentioned. 770 00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:54,639 >> I think we'd like I think we'd like to 771 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,760 have the presentation first and then the 772 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,320 questions so we have the full flavor of 773 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,359 what's being requested here. 774 00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:06,000 >> Okay. Do you h would you like me to keep 775 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,880 scrolling or would you like to um have 776 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,829 me go to a particular spot? 777 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:16,480 » Are you addressing that to me? 778 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,480 >> Yes. Whoever wants to present this. I 779 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,240 mean, I think the narrative might be the 780 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,400 most illustrative uh thing to to scroll 781 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,320 to. Again, I think I briefly explained 782 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,000 the history that it was, you know, 783 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,680 originally permitted in 1981, amended in 784 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,000 2013 when Bay State blasting took it 785 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,400 over, and I think the narrative does a a 786 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,839 reasonably uh good job of of summarizing 787 00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:40,720 uh what what is proposed. Okay, 788 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,520 >> just getting to that. We've got quite a 789 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,310 bit 790 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,000 Okay, this is the project narrative. 791 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,520 Would you like to just paraphrase it? 792 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,760 I mean, we we know the history as you've 793 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,480 said. Um, 794 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,079 so where would you like 795 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,320 I I think you've scrolled by probably 796 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,560 the the the most um if you want to go. 797 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640 Yeah, if starting in in the middle of 798 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,240 the uh the page there, I mean, if we can 799 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,560 just move on to the Bay State blasting 800 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,079 uh you know portion of the uh site. Um 801 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,800 you know, it speaks to the 2013 special 802 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,920 permit uh that was issued um allowing 803 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,599 the nine magazines with up to 20,000 804 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,000 pounds per magazine. Um and there were 805 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 some we'll call them housekeeping 806 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,560 measures to remove conditions five and 807 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,320 six. um which were approved at that 808 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,829 time. 809 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:45,280 » Okay. 810 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:51,760 So, condition five said um 811 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,280 >> we removed that condition. 812 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,640 that expansion 813 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,040 in any form will only be allowed under a 814 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,720 new special permit. So, so why are we 815 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,040 here for a new special permit? 816 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,640 We're here for an amendment to the 817 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,119 existing special permit 818 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:10,320 because the the 819 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,920 >> But I'm asking I'm asking the petitioner 820 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,720 though because isn't this an expansion 821 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,839 of the existing 822 00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:18,400 permit? 823 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,960 >> I I I would argue that the we're not 824 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,680 increasing the uh volume of material on 825 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,160 site. So I I that would be my response 826 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,760 in short. 827 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,040 >> Okay. So but why do you think you need 828 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,520 an amendment? 829 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,160 Well, because it states that our 830 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,000 magazines have a maximum capacity of 831 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,359 20,000 rounds per magazine. 832 00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:41,280 >> Okay. So, it's the it's the specific 833 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,800 increase of that one uh the big guy 834 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960 above the 20,000 limit, 835 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,119 >> right? That that alone would trigger it. 836 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:49,680 Yes. 837 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,400 >> Okay. Thanks. 838 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,880 Would 839 00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,400 you like to move to um your your 840 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,560 responses to our special permit 841 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,880 requests? I mean our our special permit 842 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,630 criteria. 843 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,720 » You'd like to to scroll down there. Um 844 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,440 my associate Nina Fazio has has prepared 845 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,920 this and I think the responses are are 846 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,720 succinct and and uh you know 847 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,760 >> address them. 848 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,440 Okay. So, we do the the applicant has 849 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,440 given a response to each of the special 850 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,760 permit criteria. 851 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,440 Um, and this has been on our website for 852 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,200 more than a week. Um, I don't know how 853 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,520 you if you want to walk us through it 854 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,960 again or how many pe I mean what ZBA 855 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,440 members, what do you want to do? 856 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,440 >> I'd like them to walk us through it. 857 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,589 >> Okay. Yes. 858 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,440 Um 859 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,440 a in front of you. Uh the proposed 860 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,960 project shall comply with the 861 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,560 environmental performance standards 862 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,680 specified in section 171-15 of this 863 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,280 chapter and with all other pro 864 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,280 provisions of this chapter. Um 865 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,839 the new magazine uh will comply with the 866 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:13,839 performance standards outlined in the 867 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:17,280 section of weight zoning bylaw. Um it's 868 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,760 not going to alter the uh intensity or 869 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,240 nature of the permitted use um other 870 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,079 than the larger uh silo uh that is you 871 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:30,320 know larger than the 20,000 uh maximum 872 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,040 that was previously permitted. Um and 873 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,720 again as we were discussing earlier the buffer distance from the uh property 874 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,480 lines and and the existing site 875 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,800 topography and and wooded nature of the 876 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,280 site we believe will uh satisfy the that 877 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,150 issue. 878 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,000 » Um next one B speaks to uh traffic 879 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,680 congestion and uh pedestrian safety. Uh 880 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,240 I'm presuming and and Mr. Beltazar can 881 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,320 certainly jump in, but I I don't think 882 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,040 that uh this is going to demonstraably 883 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,040 increase the amount of traffic uh going 884 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,520 to or from the site again without 885 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,079 significant change in in operations uh 886 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,560 proposed. Uh you know, it's going to be 887 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,800 basically the same operation just with a 888 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,800 different material coming in and exiting 889 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,400 the site. Uh um would be my my brief 890 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,359 explanation of that. Um if Dennis has 891 00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:32,400 anything to add, feel free. No, it's there will be no change to the you 892 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,320 know to the amount of trucks coming and 893 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,040 going 894 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,160 >> and similarly uh see you know speaking 895 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,599 to uh noise, dust, fumes, gases, 896 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:44,079 radiation or other significant adverse 897 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,280 environmental impacts. Again I I would 898 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,400 submit that the um use is going to be 899 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,200 largely the same with similar vehicles 900 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,599 entering and exiting the site just with 901 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,760 different material being uh brought in 902 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,480 and transferred out. 903 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,599 And it also speaks in that uh to the uh 904 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,680 the proposed silo that I'm sure it meets 905 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,079 all of the you know requirements by uh 906 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:09,839 state and federal regulations for the 907 00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:16,870 storage of said materials. 908 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,880 Item D um shall not increase erosion, 909 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,880 flooding or sedimentation either on site 910 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,040 or on neighboring properties consistent 911 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,880 with the Massachusetts Wetlands 912 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,119 Protection Act. Um the site uh in our 913 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,000 narrative we describe how the uh site is 914 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,160 going to be 915 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,240 silt fence uh and erosion controls will 916 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,920 be added prior to the start of any 917 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,359 construction as Mr. Beltazar noted. Uh 918 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,440 the site preparation will require 919 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,040 minimal grading. They're essentially 920 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,440 going to be putting this uh pad on on uh 921 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,160 existing grade in as much as they can. 922 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,079 Um the uh there will be obviously 923 00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,160 clearing and rubbing of the of the site 924 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,960 in order to uh you know create the uh 925 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,400 pad as as to to contain the silo. But uh 926 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,000 you know it's it's not a very large uh 927 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,920 >> pad or or silo. So, you know, we're 928 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,839 probably talking about, you know, even 929 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:15,599 with accessing it, you know, a work area 930 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,839 of, I don't know, perhaps, you know, 40 931 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:20,800 to 50 feet square would be my best guess 932 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,440 to allow for grading and access to uh 933 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,270 construct same. 934 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,240 And as noted uh we are not aware of any 935 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,040 wetlands uh within jurisdiction of the 936 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,240 proposed uh you know work but uh again 937 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,119 that that is something that as noted by 938 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,040 the board we will certainly have to 939 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,520 comply with if it is an issue and fully 940 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,030 intend to do so. 941 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,240 Um item E, proposed projects shall not 942 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,480 create significant adverse impact to the 943 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400 quality of surface water or groundwater 944 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,040 during and after construction and 945 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,040 provision shall be made for maximizing 946 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,240 groundwater recharge. Uh we are the only 947 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,240 amount of imperous area that we're 948 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,400 proposing would be the uh pad that the 949 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:14,079 tank sits on as noted in a prior um 950 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,440 uh number excuse me letter D. We are 951 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,839 going to be installing silt fence and 952 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,880 erosion controls um prior to any 953 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,599 construction. So we don't anticipate any 954 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,640 uh runoff from the site uh certainly not 955 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,599 uh within or onto adjoining properties. 956 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,800 And again as noted the uh with the pad 957 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,440 uh it's going to be a dimminimous uh you 958 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,359 know impact on the amount of imperous 959 00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,520 area on the site. So the recharge is 960 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,440 going to be essentially what it was 961 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,920 beforehand. It's not going to change uh 962 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,680 you know virtually at all. 963 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,200 >> Okay. But but there is if if god forbid 964 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,920 this emulsion leaked 965 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,040 it it won't leak in leech into the 966 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,240 groundwater. Is that correct? 967 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,040 >> That is correct. the the silo as uh was 968 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,200 discussed and shown on that cut sheet is 969 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,720 a you know a doublewalled uh structure 970 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,680 to if if the inside were to rupture or 971 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,359 leak somehow it would be contained 972 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:16,560 within the outside uh um jacket if you 973 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,880 will. 974 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,000 >> Okay. 975 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,160 >> Can I can I raise one quick question 976 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,560 about the um the containment? Um, so I I 977 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,000 do understand that it's a double wall 978 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,480 tank and and it's basically to pro 979 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,400 protect against corrosion from the 980 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,319 inside um should it leak. Um, and and I 981 00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:39,680 guess would give some measure of 982 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,200 protection from the outside from 983 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,720 penetration. 984 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,720 uh if there is a leak cuz my that's why 985 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,240 I asked the original question about a 986 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,560 containment uh dyke around the area 987 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,560 because if there is a leak in the 988 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,599 plumbing or in the valving and it is a 989 00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,240 liquid 990 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,280 presumably that would go unchecked until 991 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,000 somebody returned um to the site. Is 992 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:10,230 that a safe assumption? 993 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,800 I I would assume that if the leak were 994 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,960 to be uh you know outside in in the 995 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,760 valve or or um you know I'm not super 996 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,880 familiar with the uh proposed uh um 997 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,880 structure but that that is probably fair 998 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,480 to say. I'm not sure if Dennis has 999 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,599 anything further to uh add. 1000 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,359 Uh yeah, I mean other than redundant 1001 00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:32,640 valves um you know I the having the 1002 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,880 containment and redundant valves you 1003 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,200 know I think you know all the 1004 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,000 precautions have been made to as is you 1005 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,599 know as much as you can. 1006 00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,520 >> Um okay that that does raise a concern 1007 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,599 for me. I mean I realize this business 1008 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,079 has been in operation for 40 years. We 1009 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,319 have not had 1010 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:56,400 um a breach. But now you're proposing a 1011 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,000 liquid and the the simple reality is 1012 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,560 that that this is 100, you know, this is 1013 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,079 60,000 lbs of the liquid that is sitting 1014 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,440 on top of our aquifer. Um, so I don't 1015 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,119 think 1016 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,680 I think that there has to be more than 1017 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,160 just two tanks 1018 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,800 for safety's sake on this, but I I that 1019 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,640 I'm raising that now and we can come 1020 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,240 back to it when we look at the aqua for 1021 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,240 protection bylaw. Um, 1022 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,240 >> how often is somebody up there? 1023 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,640 >> Well, it's, you know, it varies. It 1024 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,960 could be multiple times a week. Uh, one 1025 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,440 time a week, could be every day. So, I 1026 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,040 think the fire chief's question was 1027 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,960 related to whether there's a alarm 1028 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,640 system or anything like that, but it 1029 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,640 sounds like there's not. 1030 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,400 >> Yes. So, uh that's something we could 1031 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,319 look into as far as like a leak alarm. 1032 00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:50,960 All all all the magazines are armed for 1033 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,680 security reasons. Uh but as far as a 1034 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,040 leak detection, that's something we 1035 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,319 could we could look into with our 1036 00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:57,280 security company. 1037 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,760 >> What do you mean by armed? 1038 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,319 >> Uh for security. 1039 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,480 >> What does the word armed mean? I mean, 1040 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,560 >> alarm system. It's a It's a security 1041 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,000 alarm system. So, 1042 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,720 >> alarmed. Okay. Armed. Alarmed. Okay. Got 1043 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:10,880 it. 1044 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,319 >> I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, they're 1045 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:17,920 ti They're tied into emergency response. 1046 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,599 >> Um, 1047 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,800 >> so the is there not liquid in the other 1048 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,960 tanks now? What's in the other tanks? 1049 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,079 What type of material? We don't know 1050 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:26,400 this. 1051 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,319 >> Oh, so yeah. So, the magazine So, 1052 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:30,400 magazine is just I would say a general 1053 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,319 term uh for something that holds 1054 00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,319 explosives. Uh they can be different 1055 00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:38,400 shape, sizes. Uh currently we have uh 1056 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,359 you know uh sticks of dynamite uh which 1057 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:44,079 is nitroglycerin. Uh whereas the 1058 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,520 ammonium nitrate uh emulsion is um you 1059 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,760 know compared to the nitroglycerin. It's 1060 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,720 a lot less sensitive. It it it's takes a 1061 00:47:52,720 --> 00:48:00,000 lot more u energy uh to to ignite than uh uh dynamite the sticks of 1062 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,960 dynamite. The other magazines have six 1063 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,359 of dynamite uh lead lines, caps, and 1064 00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:06,480 boosters. 1065 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,920 >> All right. So, not liquid. 1066 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,760 >> Yes. No. Right. So, basically, this is 1067 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,680 bulk. This would be we'd have a bulk 1068 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:17,119 truck that would uh you know remove the emotion from the tank into 1069 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,079 our bulk truck and go to a job site. 1070 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,079 >> Okay. That is that's very that's very 1071 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,040 new from what we approved in 2013. 1072 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,119 >> Yeah. Versus Yeah. Versus 1073 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,119 >> Yeah. Whereas right now we're taking 1074 00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,880 we're still going in with trucks and and 1075 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,280 tra we're manually transporting the 1076 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,040 material into the day boxes on the 1077 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,599 truck. Uh here we would be transporting 1078 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,559 the material into a different truck. 1079 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,960 >> Yeah. I mean that was one of the um the 1080 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,559 points I wanted to make because you said 1081 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,400 there would be no change in the you know 1082 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,400 in the traffic with the trucks or it 1083 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,640 would be the same but really that's not 1084 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,760 true because you're talking about 1085 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,040 different trucks. you're talking about 1086 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,559 pump trucks are going to be going in 1087 00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,359 there now that also could potentially 1088 00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:04,720 leak. I mean, you know, there's once you fill these trucks, right, and 1089 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,559 assuming there's no leakage when you're 1090 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,520 actually filming uh filling the truck, 1091 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,520 um there is the potential that the truck 1092 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,160 could leak um as it's driving down the 1093 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,319 road or you know um driving from that 1094 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:19,599 site onto the main road. Um, and it is a 1095 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,839 different type of truck that is 1096 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,480 generally bigger than the box trucks 1097 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,480 that you guys have been using. 1098 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,559 >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. It's definitely 1099 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,640 >> more wear and tear on the roads and more 1100 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,040 noise. 1101 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,559 >> I I mean, I wouldn't say it's more noise 1102 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,319 than we're going to have less pickups 1103 00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,880 going into the our other magazines. So, 1104 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,520 I would say it'd be an offset as far as 1105 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,079 activity and noise goes. 1106 00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,920 Well, I mean, a truck that would like 1107 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,680 that size is going to have Jake brakes 1108 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,240 and other engine retarders and things 1109 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,760 that make noise when it goes down the 1110 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,800 hill. 1111 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,280 >> Do you have a picture of the truck? 1112 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,599 >> I do not. No. 1113 00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,910 >> Are they What's comparable? 1114 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,240 Uh, I mean, I would say if you, you 1115 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,920 know, uh, it's, uh, some sort of, um, 1116 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,599 you know, oil tanker with pumps on it 1117 00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:15,119 would be something comparable. 1118 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,800 >> They're definitely bigger trucks and and 1119 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,960 they make they do make more noise and they're a lot heavier. 1120 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,720 >> Okay. 1121 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,880 Yeah, they're all permitted by DOT and 1122 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,280 we have uh you know, we're licensed to 1123 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,720 travel on interstate highways and um you 1124 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,440 know, we have our you know, they're all 1125 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,800 licensed, inspected, and good to travel 1126 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,559 on interstate roadways. 1127 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,040 >> Well, they got to go down a gravel road. 1128 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,720 I'm familiar with the road that goes up 1129 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,839 there. Okay. It's all gravel and you 1130 00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,880 know so you know there would be um you 1131 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,040 know an impact to that potentially to 1132 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,440 the adjacent properties the neighbors 1133 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,800 with uh you know whatever disruption 1134 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,880 that makes with uh having the bigger 1135 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,200 truck going up and down and like I said 1136 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,920 it is definitely a noise 1137 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,559 um increase in noise with those size 1138 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:09,359 trucks 1139 00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,400 >> but with a potential leak as well. 1140 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,680 >> Yeah. I mean again everything's 1141 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,480 licensed. Yeah, I I mean any anything 1142 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,319 can leak anywhere at any time, but you 1143 00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,160 know, operations still you know, we 1144 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,079 still have to operate a business and you 1145 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,800 know, we just feel that this usage uh 1146 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,520 really isn't we're we're storing 1147 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,599 explosives on the site to a maximum 1148 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,839 capacity. I don't know that there was 1149 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:33,920 really any limitations to the type of 1150 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,480 material. Um 1151 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,200 >> Yeah. Well, I mean, this is an aquifer 1152 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,440 as was mentioned before for the whole 1153 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,160 town. 1154 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,240 >> Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're aware of 1155 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:44,800 that. 1156 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,400 >> Are these your trucks or that you 1157 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,480 license them from or you rent them from 1158 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,000 third parties? 1159 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,079 >> So, no, we would we would be purchasing 1160 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:55,040 a truck. It'd be our truck. 1161 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:55,920 >> Okay. 1162 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:56,240 >> So, 1163 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,640 >> we we would have one truck that we 1164 00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,760 purchased 1165 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,839 >> and go from the property to job sites. 1166 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:07,119 So, for your uh you re you had a another 1167 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,240 project last year and uh I bought a 1168 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,920 decibel meter and your trucks passing by 1169 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,160 our house. We're reaching about 50 which 1170 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,960 is the about the limit. So, 1171 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,559 this whole area is zoned residential 1172 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,520 agricultural. It's not even zoned as 1173 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,839 commercial. And a lot of the work and 1174 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:35,280 things that go on are commercial and 1175 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,760 that doesn't seem to be changing. But 1176 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,240 this adding the large additional larger 1177 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,880 trucks coming in and out does not sound 1178 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,800 like it's going to have no impact on 1179 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:51,359 what's going on. And it's it's 1180 00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:54,880 just kind of beyond what's been expected 1181 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,760 in what had been there for a lot of 1182 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,720 years, which had not been problematic at 1183 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,480 that point. 1184 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,280 >> Okay. Let's let's let them finish. 1185 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,160 >> Okay. 1186 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,240 special per and I'm noting everything 1187 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,760 you're saying about the changes 1188 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760 um to 1189 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,359 >> Can I ask one question though Deborah 1190 00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:18,559 that's on this topic? 1191 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:19,680 >> Sure. 1192 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,400 >> So Dennis uh I believe that you uh your 1193 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,480 company has other facilities in other 1194 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,240 locations. 1195 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:28,880 Is that correct? 1196 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,040 >> Uh no we don't. 1197 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,720 >> Oh this is the only facility. 1198 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:33,280 >> Yes. 1199 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,200 >> All right then I don't have any other 1200 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,720 questions. 1201 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:42,790 Okay. 1202 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,920 So, I think you're on F. 1203 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,800 >> Um, sure. Um, resuming the, um, items 1204 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,280 here. Uh, project shall be compatible 1205 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,200 with existing uses and other uses 1206 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,960 allowed by Wright in the district and 1207 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,720 shall be designed to be compatible with 1208 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:00,160 the character and scale of the 1209 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,359 neighboring properties. Um, as was just 1210 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:07,920 alluded to, um, this, uh, operation is, 1211 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,079 uh, you know, it's it's we'll say 1212 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,240 grandfathered. Um, it's a pre-existing 1213 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,800 nonconforming use at this point under 1214 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,760 the Weightley zoning bylaw. Um as we 1215 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,640 have just been discussing also recently 1216 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,599 um we certainly are of the opinion that 1217 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,160 the notwithstanding the size of the 1218 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,319 vehicles that the amount of of traffic 1219 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:30,960 and uh you know vehicles entering and 1220 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,960 exiting the site is going to be 1221 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,000 essentially the same as uh is currently 1222 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,319 going on. That there's going to be you 1223 00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:40,319 know virtually no change in in the 1224 00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:43,040 operation of the site or or or minimal 1225 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,680 at best. And it's also um again as noted 1226 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:53,520 in further down in there, it's it's uh the site of operations is located 1227 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,680 well over a thousand ft from any of the 1228 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,720 existing residences and it's shielded by 1229 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:04,870 uh uh the wooded nature of the site. 1230 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,760 Like I will move on to G. 1231 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,599 The design of the project shall minimize 1232 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,760 the visibility of visually degrading 1233 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,359 elements and protect the neighboring 1234 00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:15,440 properties from potentially detrimental 1235 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,280 or offensive uses through the use of 1236 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,079 screening or vegetated buffer zones. As 1237 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,720 noted in the prior response, the uh 1238 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,520 distance from the existing residences 1239 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,319 and the wooded nature of the site uh is 1240 00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,880 going to preclude probably anybody being 1241 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,430 able to see uh the proposed new silo. 1242 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:49,829 Okay. 1243 00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:51,599 » H. The design of the project shall 1244 00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,520 minimize earth removal and the volume of 1245 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,680 cut and fill. Any grade change shall be 1246 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,359 in keeping with the general appearance 1247 00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:00,880 of the neighborhood. Again, as I noted 1248 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,079 in one of the uh well earlier, um there 1249 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,040 is not going to be uh significant 1250 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,440 grading of the site. We're going to try 1251 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,920 and set the uh pad for the silo um as 1252 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,079 close as we can to existing grade. There 1253 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,200 will be minimal uh grading around it to 1254 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,400 allow for a level uh structure, but u 1255 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,319 we're not going to do any significant 1256 00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:26,640 cuts or fills anywhere on the site. and 1257 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,799 any materials will be I'm sure 1258 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,640 maintained on the site and not trucked 1259 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,480 off and no material will be brought in 1260 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,950 to construct the new um silo and pad. 1261 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,150 » Okay. 1262 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,160 » I the removal of existing trees and 1263 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,079 vegetation shall be minimized. If 1264 00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:47,839 established trees are to be removed, 1265 00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:49,680 special attention shall be given to the 1266 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,280 planting of replacement trees. Um, as 1267 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,960 was noted when we were looking at the 1268 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,480 site plan, uh, the area in question is, 1269 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,440 uh, the tree line is, uh, to the north 1270 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,599 of it. So, I'm sure there's likely some 1271 00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,200 vegetation there that will have to be 1272 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,319 cleared and grubbed, but um, again, the 1273 00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:10,880 site is is well, uh, wooded as I 1274 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,200 understand it. And, uh, you know, there 1275 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,599 will be obviously we have to maintain 1276 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,119 some clear area around the uh, the silo 1277 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:25,440 and pad. Um but uh as as far as the uh 1278 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,000 vegetation and buffer zone associated 1279 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,720 with it, again I think the site is uh uh 1280 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,200 well established as as a you know a 1281 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,119 wooded area. So 1282 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,240 >> okay, 1283 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,160 >> I'll move on to J. The design of the 1284 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,160 project shall provide for adequate 1285 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,400 methods for disposal of sewage, refuse, 1286 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,640 or other waste generated by the proposed 1287 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,670 use. Um 1288 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,839 we are not propo I mean other than uh 1289 00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:55,920 during construction you know the the 1290 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,319 silo will be you know accepting uh 1291 00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:00,720 deliveries on a regular basis and and 1292 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,599 you know will be uh trucked out in in 1293 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,319 stages on on the vehicles to uh you know 1294 00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:09,200 the various work sites in question. Um, 1295 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,680 you know, as far as any other operations 1296 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,359 on the site, they are not going to be 1297 00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,079 impacted uh in any significant manner by 1298 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,200 the proposed new uh silo. 1299 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,440 >> Is that silo brand new or is it in use 1300 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,630 elsewhere? 1301 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,880 » You're muted. 1302 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,880 >> I'm sorry. Yeah. Uh yeah, it's a used 1303 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,720 silo that we're buying from one of our 1304 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,280 uh distributors. 1305 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,680 >> Do you know how old it is? 1306 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:43,910 Uh I I don't 1307 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,359 » and if that's no further questions, I'll 1308 00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:50,160 move on to item K. The proposed use will 1309 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,000 not overload the capacity of public 1310 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,760 facilities such as water and sewer 1311 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,680 systems, storm drainage schools, and 1312 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,880 refuge disposal facilities. As noted in 1313 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,520 the prior couple of responses, uh this 1314 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,640 should have a dimminimous effect on the 1315 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,480 operation of the site and it should not 1316 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,920 significantly alter the way it's 1317 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,880 currently running. Um non non-issue as 1318 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,240 far as I I would uh as far as I can see. 1319 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,119 >> Okay. So, that is the response to the 1320 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,440 special permit and we've heard some 1321 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,400 challenges to 1322 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,640 um 1323 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,520 your responses. I maintain my biggest 1324 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,440 concern remains the fact that there is 1325 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,000 liquid that could leak into the town's 1326 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,680 aquifers. 1327 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,200 Now, with that, 1328 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,960 >> Deborah, Deborah, can I just interrupt? 1329 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,440 And it didn't really make me feel good 1330 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,520 to have Mr. Balthazar say that anything 1331 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:44,319 can leak. 1332 00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:44,640 >> Yes. Yes. 1333 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,599 >> And it doesn't make me feel good um that 1334 00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,520 it's a used container. 1335 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:50,640 >> No, 1336 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,480 >> I I'm sure it's certified and all that, 1337 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,160 but those things don't make me feel 1338 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,880 good. I wonder if there was as much as 1339 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,960 60,000 lbs of material that went into 1340 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,359 the upper aquifer of the eastern part of 1341 01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:06,799 town to pollute it forever. Um this is 1342 01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:09,599 just something that I can't 1343 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,880 that sits on our water. 1344 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,480 >> Yes, it does. And we can't minimize 1345 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,000 uh how careful this has to be done. I've 1346 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,400 watched trucks load and unload material 1347 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,319 before. There's always stuff that 1348 01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:26,240 spills. 1349 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:26,880 >> Yeah. 1350 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,559 >> I don't I I don't want I don't want it 1351 01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,640 to be minimized. I I want answers to 1352 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,880 these questions about how we're going to 1353 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,520 be careful if if this gets granted, how 1354 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,280 we're going to be careful about all this 1355 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,760 on our water supply. 1356 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,319 >> No. And and I I could not agree more. 1357 01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:45,680 and not just how if it's possible to be 1358 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,680 as careful as we need to. 1359 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,599 >> Yeah. And I and I and I I'm sorry. Yeah. 1360 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,160 I don't mean to minimize it. Um uh by 1361 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,079 any means. I mean, we're in the business 1362 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,160 of of not having issues, not having 1363 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,720 mistakes because they cost money. Uh but 1364 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,480 you know, it we do have a second 1365 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,240 containment. there's redundant valves 1366 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,520 and we would be open to discussing 1367 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,319 perhaps a third measure of containment 1368 01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:10,160 if if if 1369 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,359 that would make everybody more 1370 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:13,680 comfortable. I I think at the very least 1371 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,880 we need to see a much more detailed 1372 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,079 safety plan and and that is not that's 1373 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,319 please don't and again I'm aware that 1374 01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:25,359 your business is that this this use has 1375 01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:28,559 been in our town for decades 1376 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,880 and no one is against it per se but this 1377 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,000 is a significant change to the 2013 1378 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,839 permit where we now have a liquid 1379 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,559 emulsion sitting right on top of the 1380 01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,000 aquifer. 1381 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,480 And so that is why after going through 1382 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,359 the special permit issue, um, and this 1383 01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:49,520 does not discount the noise and the 1384 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,680 trucks and and those things that could 1385 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,160 make a difference in that area. Um, but 1386 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,720 I, you know, as Bob mentioned, this 1387 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,599 would be beyond catastrophic for this 1388 01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:04,880 town. You know, this this would not this 1389 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,280 would be the water supply. I mean, I 1390 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,040 don't know how familiar folks are with 1391 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,079 what Weightley went through in the 80s. 1392 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,160 We're losing all of its water supply in 1393 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,880 the east. So, that is not something we 1394 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,760 can we can sanction or or take lightly 1395 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,359 again, which is So, at this point, I I 1396 01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:28,400 can stop the share and I have brought up 1397 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,240 uh for another possible share the aquaer 1398 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,000 protection. 1399 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:40,160 Um, 1400 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,799 okay. 1401 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:48,799 At this point, I don't uh Judy Marklin is here who has 1402 01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:50,960 done a lot of work with the aquifer and 1403 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,000 she did send a letter to our board with 1404 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,440 her concerns. Judy, do you want to speak 1405 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,400 to that before I show this or do you 1406 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,040 want me to read your letter or? 1407 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,839 >> Well, I think many of my concerns have 1408 01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:08,559 been addressed already, but I didn't 1409 01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:11,119 want to and I should point out that both 1410 01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:13,760 Brandt and Tom Litwin, Tom was one of 1411 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,280 the original authors of 1412 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,160 >> Yes. 1413 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,480 >> and they are they're probably each 1414 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,520 better equipped to deal with it than I. 1415 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,240 But I did want to point out that the 1416 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,720 aquifer protection district has its own 1417 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,640 requirements for special permit 1418 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,640 application which have not been 1419 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,240 addressed. 1420 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,079 >> And I have those to share. 1421 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,160 >> They are lengthy. 1422 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:36,559 >> Yes. 1423 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:40,559 >> And and I suspect it would involve 1424 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:42,880 another you know asking the applicants 1425 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,280 to address those and come back. 1426 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,760 >> But is there a map? Is there a map? Is 1427 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,000 there a map that shows us clearly that 1428 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,760 we are over the aquifer in this 1429 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:52,799 location? 1430 01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:55,119 >> Yes, there is. Hang on. I'm gonna I'm 1431 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:56,000 not I may have 1432 01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:03,910 >> It was It was in the application. It's zone two, which is the immediate 1433 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,309 » in their site 1434 01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:10,400 » in their zoning site, they address zone 1435 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,839 two and zone three. 1436 01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:16,000 >> Yep, they do. I think it was toward 1437 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,839 >> it's in a separate on the line. It was 1438 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:21,119 in a separate attached separate link. 1439 01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:23,520 >> Okay. I thought we had put it into this 1440 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,760 one. If not, I can go out and get it. Um 1441 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,200 just bear with me. 1442 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,119 Okay. I'm going to need to 1443 01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:38,400 um hang on a second. 1444 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,069 Stop the share. 1445 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:44,640 Okay, hang on. Hang on, hang on, hang 1446 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:45,520 on. 1447 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,280 >> The joys of technology. 1448 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,079 >> I know. 1449 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,109 Okay. 1450 01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:55,039 There's only so much my screen can hold 1451 01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:59,349 if I load it up in advance. 1452 01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:16,309 Okay. 1453 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:29,270 that might not be it. Okay, 1454 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,760 let me see. 1455 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:37,990 I can share this. 1456 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:43,910 Okay. 1457 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,200 I think we did see this though. 1458 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,559 Let me see if I can make it a little 1459 01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:49,440 bigger. 1460 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,200 >> No, there's there's another one in 1461 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,559 color. 1462 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:53,760 >> Okay. 1463 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,559 >> And I don't think it's 1464 01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:58,640 >> I believe the map you're looking for is 1465 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,680 included in our our application. Um 1466 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,400 >> I thought that 1467 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,200 >> section 4 locus but just beyond what we 1468 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,839 were going through actually. 1469 01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:09,359 >> Okay. 1470 01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:12,400 I had thought that it was and it's 1471 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,640 beyond these old permits, right? 1472 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,920 >> Well beyond. Yes. 1473 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,520 >> I think it's at the back. 1474 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,280 >> Yeah. Section four. 1475 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,799 >> There it is. Yes. Yep. 1476 01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:22,880 >> Okay. 1477 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,839 So, where Sorry, folks. You see 1478 01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:28,960 where it says zone two and zone three? 1479 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,720 Those are the aquifer protection 1480 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:35,359 districts. So zone 2 and there's some 1481 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:38,319 zone three in here as well. So it's 1482 01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:41,599 sitting right there. Zone two is the one 1483 01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:47,599 that flows immediately into the well area, 1484 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:48,000 >> right? 1485 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,440 >> Zone three flows into zone two. 1486 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,440 And the prohibitions and the the use 1487 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,559 restrictions for each are similar. 1488 01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:02,720 And so on on that note, and Brandt and 1489 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:07,280 Tom by all means jump in this, I had 1490 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,079 pulled up a few pages 1491 01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:14,319 from the aquaer protection. 1492 01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:18,480 And so you can see that, let me just 1493 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,079 make this a little okay. And the 1494 01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,400 bolding, the bolding here is mine. These 1495 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,200 are the prohibited uses. 1496 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,799 And 1497 01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:30,799 so the storage of liquid hazard 1498 01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,760 materials and or liquid petroleum unless 1499 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,400 the storage is 1500 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,640 um and so it has all the 1501 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,839 um requirements. So I I would say but 1502 01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:46,880 it's these are substantial. 1503 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,359 Um and I I genuinely believe that given 1504 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:53,760 this change it should that Judy is right 1505 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,440 that this should have been addressed in 1506 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,119 the application. 1507 01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,200 >> Okay. And if you go down to sections G 1508 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,400 and H there's actually a whole separate 1509 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,640 special permit 1510 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,559 application. Um, 1511 01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,589 >> G&H 1512 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,640 E F I didn't even bring up G&H, Judy. I 1513 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:12,960 just 1514 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,240 >> Okay. Well, that's fine because 1515 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,480 >> Yeah, it's it's it's very lengthy. It's 1516 01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,719 in our It's in I can show you where it 1517 01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:22,799 is. I can share one more thing. Um, let 1518 01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:26,239 me grab it. 1519 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,560 >> I realized that this was liquid storage. 1520 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,000 I would have I hadn't assumed that. 1521 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000 Well, frankly, on Monday when I met with 1522 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,319 the fire marshal, he said that it was 1523 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:40,319 not, which is why I would not have um um 1524 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,560 I would not have waited until this 1525 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,960 moment to tell this to the applicants. 1526 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,560 Um I appreciate the fact that you were 1527 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:47,839 very honest about it. 1528 01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:49,679 >> Well, and just to clarify, I mean, it 1529 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:53,040 it's it it it's it's not a true liquid 1530 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,359 in the sense of a free flowing liquid. I 1531 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,279 mean, it it it it's a it's a mixture 1532 01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:01,040 that um you know, it it's more cleaned 1533 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,080 up, you know, with a shovel in a bucket 1534 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,319 than than leaking. Um 1535 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,239 >> yes, but it's an emulsion which is 1536 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:09,679 liquid. 1537 01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:11,839 >> See, I don't know that for a fact. 1538 01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:13,679 That's a scientific point. I don't know 1539 01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:16,960 the distinction scientifically. 1540 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:17,839 And 1541 01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:18,960 >> I think that's something we can look 1542 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:19,920 into. 1543 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,319 >> And I think we need to know that. Um 1544 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:23,839 because why would the why would the fire 1545 01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:26,080 marshall say it's not a liquid? 1546 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,239 >> He said that it was pellets and that it 1547 01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:31,279 was moved as a pellet to the job site 1548 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,679 and there it became liquefied. 1549 01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:35,120 >> Why would he think that? 1550 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,120 >> I don't know. I do not know. I mean 1551 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,440 >> I'm not asking you per se, but I mean 1552 01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:41,759 >> because the material, you know, in the 1553 01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:44,719 business how we call it bulk liquid, 1554 01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:47,359 right? So, it's perhaps that term that I 1555 01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,480 use on a regular basis is not the right 1556 01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:54,560 scientific term. Uh, it it it it's not 1557 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,120 your typical liquid that that spills out 1558 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,719 and and flows like water. It's more of a 1559 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:04,640 u you know, like I said, it's uh it's picked up with buckets or or 1560 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,360 shovels uh more so than free flowing 1561 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,239 it. So, I I apologize if if that term 1562 01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,960 threw everybody off. Well, I I still 1563 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,199 think I mean the zoning bylaws are 1564 01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:19,760 available on the town website, the most 1565 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:26,320 updated one and you will be able to see 1566 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,350 um 1567 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,520 okay, I guess it didn't bring them all 1568 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,679 up. Um 1569 01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:37,920 you will be able to find the aquifer 1570 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,640 protection. It's its own section. 1571 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,320 And 1572 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,800 I think that 1573 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,080 um I I Well, first of all, do do people 1574 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,960 have other comments or questions? 1575 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,400 >> Um are the Yeah, I'm sorry. I do. Um are 1576 01:10:54,400 --> 01:11:01,520 the uh trucks stored overnight with the chemicals in it? 1577 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,719 >> No, the trucks would not be. 1578 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,640 So when they are finished at the end of 1579 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,440 their project, if the product hasn't 1580 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,679 been completely used on the job, it gets 1581 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:14,640 repumped back into the silo. 1582 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,560 >> It it the product will all be used on 1583 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:17,679 the job. Yeah. 1584 01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:18,480 >> Every time. 1585 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,960 >> Yeah. 1586 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,719 >> Now, if it does get in the ground, will 1587 01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:26,000 it melt, be absorbed? 1588 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,239 >> Uh, no. Like I said, you know, it's it's 1589 01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:29,920 not a true liquid where you think of 1590 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,520 water running out of a faucet. It's not 1591 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,760 going to run like water. It it's a very 1592 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,400 thick and and uh easier to pick up with 1593 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,950 a shovel. 1594 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,840 » Yeah. But it has to be pumped. I mean, 1595 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,040 it's a liquid. If it's pumped and you 1596 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,080 know, and if it's spilled and it rains, 1597 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,679 it's going to become very liquid. 1598 01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:55,520 You know, it's like a, you know, I'm 1599 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,280 familiar with explosives. I've worked on 1600 01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,840 job sites before. It's like a u it's you 1601 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,400 know it's kind of like mud. It's that's 1602 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,600 what it's like. 1603 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,159 >> Yeah. So again you know we can discuss 1604 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,159 uh uh you know some sort of uh 1605 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,880 containment area uh you know uh some 1606 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,960 sort of a trench around it that can you 1607 01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:22,000 know hold that capacity that would make everybody feel better. 1608 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,239 Well, I think and I'm just one board 1609 01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,159 member and we haven't voted on anything, 1610 01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:29,360 but I I think where we're heading is 1611 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,360 that this meeting needs to be a 1612 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,320 continued. 1613 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,679 >> Yes. be that the petitioner the burden's 1614 01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:40,320 on the petitioner to come in with a 1615 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,880 scientific report and may not be maybe 1616 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,080 beyond the scope of expertise of MVC and 1617 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,560 associates with a scientific report from 1618 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,000 someone with uh credentialed expertise 1619 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,679 that will tell us a is it a liquid is it 1620 01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:57,440 not a liquid what's the difference what 1621 01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:59,120 is an emulsion what happens if an 1622 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,400 emulsion spills into the ground and if 1623 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,880 that spill is over an aquifer And until 1624 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,360 all those points are addressed, it's 1625 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,520 premature for this board to have a vote. 1626 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,600 And further, even once we see that 1627 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,400 report, we as a board have a right to 1628 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,320 refer out to a um third party expert uh 1629 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,080 of our own choice that would be paid for 1630 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,320 by the petitioner who would evaluate the 1631 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,800 report of that um that scientist. But 1632 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:29,360 it's it's and further that the um the 1633 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,199 presentation be amended to address all 1634 01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:33,520 the points in the aquifer protection 1635 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,280 overlay district. Um 1636 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,920 >> thank you Roger. Yes. Um 1637 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,239 >> we need we need some science here not 1638 01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:47,600 just um the good faith effort of your presentation team to tell us what 1639 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,760 you think it it might be but we need we 1640 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:56,390 need some expertise. 1641 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,159 Bob, Kristen, 1642 01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,800 >> agree 100% with Roger. 1643 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,560 >> Yeah. 1644 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:03,360 >> Okay. 1645 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,600 >> I want to fully understand this. 1646 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:06,800 >> Yep. 1647 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,239 >> Yeah, that's our problem. We don't fully 1648 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:09,360 understand it. 1649 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:09,679 >> Yeah. 1650 01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:11,679 >> We just lay people here. 1651 01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:13,760 >> No, no problem. Yeah, we can we can get 1652 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,679 an expert opinion. That's that's not a 1653 01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:18,159 problem. And 1654 01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,120 >> Okay. and to address the uh act of 1655 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,800 protection bylaw that you'll find in the 1656 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,920 zoning zoning bylaw uh the zoning our 1657 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,440 zoning bylaws and you might as well also 1658 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:32,640 think about additional safety measures. 1659 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,800 Um you had talked about a leak alarm in 1660 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,360 addition to uh multiple layers of 1661 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,120 containment 1662 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,080 um just so that all bases are covered so 1663 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,920 that we have as much information as we 1664 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,400 need to make our decision. 1665 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,520 Um, we can continue this into into our 1666 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,840 next hearing in January. Um, if that 1667 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,320 doesn't give you enough time, we can 1668 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,640 continue it beyond that. We're happy to 1669 01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,400 accommodate your time schedule so that 1670 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,320 we get this information. 1671 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,920 >> Yeah. John, do you think that's enough 1672 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,280 time on your end? 1673 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,320 >> I would like to uh yeah, ask for a 1674 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,840 continuence to your next scheduled 1675 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,520 meeting in January. I think we can 1676 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,199 likely address the concerns in that 1677 01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:12,400 amount of time. 1678 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,400 >> Okay, let me just grab a calendar. 1679 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:15,920 January 8th. 1680 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,800 >> January 8th. Thank you, Bob. 1681 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,360 >> Um, 1682 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,840 >> one last question. I also wanted to just 1683 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,760 double check. Is this going to be 1684 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,440 something that is only going to be 1685 01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,360 accessible by Bayate Blasting or are 1686 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,520 there going to be other vendors in there 1687 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,000 to use this on other job sites? 1688 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,000 >> No, we're not selling the product to 1689 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,159 anybody. It's just for our own use. 1690 01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,880 >> Okay. 1691 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,800 Does that answer everybody's questions 1692 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,000 before we um have a motion to continue 1693 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,830 this hearing? 1694 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,480 » I would be com more comfortable if there 1695 01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:56,159 were more details on the silo itself or 1696 01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:59,280 you know a cut sheet um some detailing 1697 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,520 on the double 1698 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:02,960 >> Yep. 1699 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:10,719 and any information on safety um recognition or designations 1700 01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:12,560 for the silo. 1701 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,880 >> Okay. You you might also want to use 1702 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,480 this time as well just to make 1703 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:18,159 absolutely sure that you don't need 1704 01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:20,560 conservation commission 1705 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,320 um hearing on that and um and you can 1706 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,880 reach out to their chair um they're on 1707 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,960 our our town's website as well to see 1708 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,239 what you'd need to do for that. 1709 01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,400 >> Sure. We have we have staff members on 1710 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,679 site who are 1711 01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:36,400 >> wetland scientists who can inspect uh 1712 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,640 prior to the next meeting certainly. 1713 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,520 >> Okay. 1714 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,360 >> My question is why wouldn't we have 1715 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,280 needed that back in 2013? I mean why 1716 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:47,679 would the wetland suddenly reappear or suddenly appear um to 1717 01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:48,719 >> I don't know. 1718 01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:50,880 >> It's a new site. 1719 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,120 I mean it's away from some of the other 1720 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,480 magazines. 1721 01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,800 >> Oh, how far is it away? 1722 01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,719 Well, it's actually we're going to have 1723 01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:00,640 to move some magazines because it's it's 1724 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,640 going to take the place of uh 1725 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,440 >> I'm sorry 1726 01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:04,719 >> where we currently are. 1727 01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:07,760 >> I'm sorry. 1728 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,080 >> Yeah. So, it's it's it's not in a new 1729 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,760 location. We have magazines there 1730 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:17,830 already. 1731 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,800 » Okay. So, do I have a motion to continue 1732 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:21,600 this hearing? 1733 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,280 >> Yeah. Could I ask for one more thing? 1734 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,120 So, since there seems to be some 1735 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,040 confusion here, because what I saw on 1736 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,920 the map that they showed is is something 1737 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,679 um different than what I'm, you know, 1738 01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:33,600 kind of hearing now. So, how about if 1739 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,840 you brought some pictures? Um, and then 1740 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,800 also maybe you could give us a a walk 1741 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,600 through of the area so that you know 1742 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,280 people can actually see for themselves 1743 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,280 what I'm talking about when I say that, 1744 01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,679 you know, there's um, you know, there's 1745 01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:49,920 a marsh wet area over there and where 1746 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,920 the brook is because it seems like the 1747 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,520 person that did the map there wasn't 1748 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,280 even never even been on the site 1749 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,960 himself. 1750 01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,800 So I think it would be helpful to have 1751 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,440 some pictures of what that landscape is 1752 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,520 immediately around that area 1753 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,840 >> and the truck delivery trucks. 1754 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,600 >> Picture of the type of truck. Sure. 1755 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,270 >> And delivery. 1756 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:16,880 » Oh. Is the delivery truck different than 1757 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,520 the type that takes it out? 1758 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:28,470 Uh uh no. 1759 01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,880 One last I've got one last thing, too. 1760 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,280 Um, what time are the deliveries going 1761 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,800 to be coming in and out 1762 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,640 >> for resupplying the silo if it granted 1763 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,560 >> because right now you all come in and 1764 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,960 out anywhere between two and you know 6 1765 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,600 in the morning. 1766 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,840 >> Yeah, that time would be based on their 1767 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,760 availability. I I don't we don't have 1768 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,800 set times that we it we'd be reaching 1769 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,159 out to our vendors to see when they're 1770 01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,000 available. 1771 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,189 >> Okay. 1772 01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:06,870 » Anything else? 1773 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,280 » I move to continue to the January 8th 1774 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,560 hearing date. Second. 1775 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,520 >> Okay. And I So, and now can I have a 1776 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,920 motion to vote on it? 1777 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,920 >> So moved. 1778 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,480 I too move to continue until January. 1779 01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,800 Our January hearing. 1780 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,560 Uh, Roger, you're voting. 1781 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,000 >> Yes, I vote fail. 1782 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,840 >> Okay. Um, okay. So, we will reconvene. 1783 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,880 You can continue to send information um 1784 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,400 to our ZBA um mailing address and we 1785 01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,400 will post this um and an agenda for our 1786 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,400 January hearing. 1787 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,480 >> Okay. Very good. Thank you for your 1788 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:47,199 time. 1789 01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:49,120 >> Thank you. Thank you. and ZBA members 1790 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,440 stay. We have minutes to approve. 1791 01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:52,719 >> All right. Thank you. 1792 01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:54,239 >> Thank you. Thank you all. 1793 01:19:54,239 --> 01:20:02,229 >> Good night. 1794 01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:05,840 » Okay. Um I'm going to 1795 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,760 I believe I pulled up these minutes. 1796 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,199 >> Can I ask for like a twominut recess? 1797 01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,880 >> Yes. And I can go find the minutes we 1798 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:21,600 need to approve. Thank you. Okay. 1799 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,440 >> Mute myself here. 1800 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:30,000 >> Oh, where are those minutes? Okay, 1801 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,350 I will return 1802 01:20:35,360 --> 01:21:09,510 all the tips. Oops. Okay. 1803 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,080 » Hi, I just want to get clarification. Is 1804 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,679 it January 4th that we all agreed on or 1805 01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,760 they agreed on? 1806 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,000 >> Uh, is it January 8th? 1807 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,719 >> It's January 8th. 1808 01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:24,080 Yeah, January 8th. 1809 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,600 >> Oh, it was 8th. 1810 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:26,480 >> Yes. 1811 01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:29,120 >> Oh, okay. Good. I just make sure I got 1812 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,560 that correct. 1813 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,239 >> Yes. And um 1814 01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:34,960 I 1815 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,800 >> that's 1816 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,080 okay. 1817 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:42,000 >> Yeah. So, do you feel comfortable, Gwen, 1818 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,880 letting um 1819 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,400 Jess know that we're going to need to 1820 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,520 meet on that day and getting the um Zoom 1821 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,280 codes and stuff or do you want me to 1822 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,120 handle that? 1823 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,880 >> No, that's fine. I've been doing it for 1824 01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,199 the planning board. That's so I can do 1825 01:21:57,199 --> 01:21:57,440 that. 1826 01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,760 >> That'd be great. And then 1827 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,920 >> we won't I won't do an agenda yet 1828 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,520 because you can just send me the codes 1829 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,600 when you get them. I won't do an agenda 1830 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,440 yet because it's still possible we could 1831 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:10,800 get another hearing come in. Um, so I'll 1832 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,320 do an agenda. 1833 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,080 >> Right. Right. 1834 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:14,880 >> You've still got 1835 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,800 >> Yeah, I'll set a reminder. 1836 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,360 >> Yeah, that's fine. Just let me I'm using 1837 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,880 my Outlook to do reminders right now of 1838 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,800 like we need what 1839 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:36,950 is not clicking. Um, 1840 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:41,040 So, January 8th and then um yeah, I 1841 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,760 would just touch base. Oh, yeah. There's 1842 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,560 also a deadline for agendas that Amy 1843 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,000 just sent out, 1844 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,920 >> right? But yeah, 1845 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,080 >> I just I have to I haven't counted back 1846 01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,280 yet for December when we 1847 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,239 um I always go 19 days back from January 1848 01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,159 8th. So, I'll do that tomorrow. you 1849 01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:02,639 know, and and we'll I I saw that agenda 1850 01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:05,760 deadline come through. So, we'll be okay 1851 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,920 because if it's January 8th, you know, 1852 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,159 we only have to have it 48 hours in 1853 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:16,639 advance. So, the holiday the holiday season will be behind us, 1854 01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:19,199 >> right? For sure. Yeah. Okay. I'll just 1855 01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:21,760 set a reminder for myself December 30th 1856 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,840 to start thinking and asking if there's 1857 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,440 any other materials. 1858 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:29,520 >> Great. So much time. 1859 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,679 Okay, that is great. 1860 01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:38,000 >> Yeah, this is um 1861 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,040 so I'm trying to I can share I know 1862 01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:46,400 we're waiting for Roger, but um 1863 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,070 okay, 1864 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,239 so well actually Roger doesn't have to 1865 01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,800 be here. I mean he can come back, but it 1866 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,679 he was not here for that meeting. So 1867 01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:01,679 Bob and Kristen and I, we're the only 1868 01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:03,600 ones who are Are you still there, 1869 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,280 Kristen? 1870 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,360 >> I I am. Can you hear me? 1871 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,679 >> Yes, I can. So did people have a chance 1872 01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:11,280 to look over these minutes? 1873 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,320 >> I I have 1874 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,239 any any issues? 1875 01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,239 >> Everything looked good to me. 1876 01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:21,920 >> Are you good, Bob? 1877 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,199 >> Yep, I am. 1878 01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,679 >> All right. So, can I have a motion to 1879 01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:27,840 accept it? I move to I move to accept 1880 01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,639 the October 2nd, 2025 1881 01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:32,400 minutes of the virtual meeting as 1882 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,159 written. 1883 01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:35,920 >> And I will second that. 1884 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,520 >> Okay, Roger, you don't have to worry 1885 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,040 about this one because you weren't here. 1886 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:44,870 Um, okay. So, a motion to vote then. 1887 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:45,679 » So moved. 1888 01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:47,920 Okay. I voted to accept them 1889 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,840 as well. 1890 01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:50,880 >> Me too. 1891 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,239 >> Me three. 1892 01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:55,440 >> Excellent. So, I will send these on to 1893 01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:58,080 Jessica tomorrow. Thank you for doing 1894 01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,080 those, Gwen. Um, 1895 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,159 >> yeah, no problem. If you're going to 1896 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:05,040 send it to Jessica, does that mean I 1897 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,960 have to post it to agenda, though? I 1898 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:07,920 have to still send it to 1899 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,520 >> You know what? Why don't you know what? 1900 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,440 I'm going to send it to you and you can 1901 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:13,679 post it to to agenda. Okay. Will you do 1902 01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:14,560 you have it already? 1903 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,040 >> Yeah. Yeah, because that's I want to 1904 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,639 make sure I got the correct Yeah, 1905 01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:20,480 because I just have to do that with the 1906 01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,080 planning board, too. So I'll do that 1907 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,840 like right now. Just send it if 1908 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,199 everybody's fine with it. 1909 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:25,600 >> Yes. 1910 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,120 >> So I don't forget. 1911 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,440 >> Okay. No, that is perfect. That's 1912 01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:32,159 perfect. So in that case, we are we are 1913 01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:33,520 done. 1914 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,920 >> Okay. And then we are joining. Okay. 1915 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,520 >> Okay. Well, we haven't voted to adjurnn 1916 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,159 yet, but we're about to unless anybody 1917 01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:41,440 anything else. 1918 01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:43,760 >> Could I just ask a question? 1919 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:44,960 >> Sure. 1920 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,560 uh 1921 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,760 about the the 1922 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,239 uh town water system that that went in 1923 01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:55,199 off of Chestnut Plane Road. Was was that 1924 01:25:55,199 --> 01:26:00,239 done before the permit for the uh 1925 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:02,719 storage facility there for explosives? 1926 01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:04,800 Was was done? Which which came first, 1927 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,719 the permit for that or the water system? 1928 01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:10,960 So the 1981 permit predates the um the 1929 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,920 building of the water system by 8 years 1930 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,040 I think. So it's 8788 something like 1931 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,880 that is when we um put the water system 1932 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,480 in. 1933 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,800 >> Right. Okay. So so they knew about the 1934 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,320 uh explosive storage back then when the 1935 01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,320 water system went in. I get okay what 1936 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,639 you're saying they knew. Well, 1937 01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:33,679 interestingly, the person who worked the 1938 01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:35,360 hardest to install the water system was 1939 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:36,480 Paul Florio. 1940 01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,199 >> Right. I know I realize that. Right. 1941 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:39,520 >> Right. 1942 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,679 >> At that at that point, it was a vested 1943 01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:43,679 grandfathered use. 1944 01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:45,120 >> Um, and 1945 01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,199 >> and there's no in that at all. 1946 01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:47,600 >> Right. 1947 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,440 >> Yeah. And and even in 2013, 1948 01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:55,040 it was it was slightly expanded, but it 1949 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,679 was the same type of a product. you 1950 01:26:57,679 --> 01:26:59,280 know, this is this is a different 1951 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,920 product as as you know, as as they 1952 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,280 openly stated. Um, and again, you know, 1953 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,360 as I said, when the fire the fire 1954 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,760 marshall as I put in my notes to you all 1955 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,239 after that meeting because um I would 1956 01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:14,719 never have not let these folks know that 1957 01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:17,040 they needed to bring more information if 1958 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,880 I had thought they did. 1959 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,639 >> Um, so, okay. So, a motion. 1960 01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:24,800 >> How did the fire chief or the fire 1961 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,440 marshall know what their product is? I 1962 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,440 you know Roger first of all he is the 1963 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:33,440 person who inspects once a year. He was 1964 01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:36,080 um and he was he was very straight, you 1965 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,800 know, he was very open and he just he 1966 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,800 was very sure of it because I even have 1967 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,199 it in my notes and in fact that very day 1968 01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,440 I wrote the next day I wrote it up for 1969 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:48,400 all of you as a as a also for myself but 1970 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,719 I double checked my notes and he said no 1971 01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:54,480 it would be liqufied on the job site and 1972 01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:58,560 so he might have assumed it based on um 1973 01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,400 previous um areas that he inspects But 1974 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,000 >> well that's my point. But did he have 1975 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,199 any information about 1976 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:07,920 >> I don't know 1977 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,639 >> this petition in other or he's going 1978 01:28:10,639 --> 01:28:12,880 back on what is there now? 1979 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,679 >> Oh yes he was I'm sorry he was he was 1980 01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:19,040 there because the select board had not 1981 01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,080 yet determined that JP 1982 01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,400 could come to our meeting that there's a 1983 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,320 conflict of interest there. He's now in 1984 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:31,600 a butter. Uh Lisa Moore is Lisa Floral 1985 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,120 Moore, so she's his cousin. Um and the 1986 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,280 select board last night determined that 1987 01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,080 he could act um in his professional 1988 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,560 capacity to advise us. It was, you know, 1989 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,480 it was it obviously it was a tricky 1990 01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:47,199 situation. I think he did a great job. 1991 01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:50,719 Um, so the so so the fire marshall was 1992 01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:53,360 there at the meeting with Pete and Amy 1993 01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,560 and me because of the of the pending 1994 01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,239 conflict of interest. He was there to 1995 01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:01,280 ask questions. Um, but he was very very 1996 01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,480 clear. He said his role was the 1997 01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:09,840 explosives part of it and zoning is the 1998 01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,600 purview of us and the building 1999 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,320 inspector. He seemed surprised when I 2000 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,280 said, "I'm asking this because we really 2001 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,960 have to be careful of liquids up there." 2002 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,560 And he said, "Oh, okay." He said, "Well, 2003 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,880 that's zoning. That's planning." But he 2004 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,480 seemed to think that the product itself 2005 01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:29,350 would be pellets. 2006 01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,840 >> Okay. 2007 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,600 Any anybody else have any questions 2008 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,159 about it? 2009 01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:39,280 >> No. So, but essentially his advice is, I 2010 01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,239 hate to say it, but useless. 2011 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:47,199 Yeah. And he and he wasn't pretending to be otherwise. He's he would be useful 2012 01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:49,280 in terms of a yearly inspection up there 2013 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,560 for the the explosives, but in terms of 2014 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,639 being aware of the weight history and 2015 01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:56,880 the water situation, I'm not sure that's 2016 01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:57,920 not his 2017 01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,920 >> his wheelhouse at all. 2018 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,199 >> Ron. 2019 01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:03,120 >> Okay. All right. So, a motion to 2020 01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,719 adjurnn. 2021 01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:06,080 >> So moved. 2022 01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:07,040 >> Seconded. 2023 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:12,199 >> All right. I'm I'm voting to adjourn.