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Good evening everybody. It's Tuesday,

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December 16, 2025 for our regular

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meeting of the Weightley Planning Board.

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So, I'm officially calling the meeting

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to order at 5:34

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p.m. All right. Uh, we've just briefly

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introduced Caroline Gurich, our new

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community development administrator. I

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had a chat with her a little earlier

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today. This is her second her first full

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day. She'll be in the office on Tuesdays

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and Thursdays.

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Um, she's excited to, you know, do

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>> they change the scope of the project so

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it's not open to position? Was it

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>> I believe it is. We may I'm not sure of

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all the details because she's still in

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school.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So there may have been some negotiations

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around like some reduced hours.

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>> Sure.

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>> Versus some full 40. But I can't say I

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may be wrong about that.

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>> Okay. Very good. So, our first order of

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business is approval of minutes of our

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October 28th meeting. They were all

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circulated. Um, Gwen, and uh I assume

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you're still you're muted now, Gwen. Um,

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I assume that there were no other

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comments or changes.

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>> Um, so do we need a moment to look over

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the minutes or are we ready to make a

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motion to approve them?

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I make a motion to approve the minutes

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from our meeting in October. Right.

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>> Yeah. October.

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>> All right. Laura has made the motion.

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Mike has seconded the motion. Uh we're

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all in person so we don't have to do

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roll call. All in favor. I.

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>> Nobody's opposed. Unanimous. All right.

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There we go.

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>> Only everything was.

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>> Yes. Exactly. All right. Um, so next

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order of business about candidates for

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open seat of the planning board. So I'm

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going to, you know, just not mention any

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names at the moment, but I've met with

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uh I have been

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um trying to prioritize maintaining

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certain pre-existing gender balance on

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the board. Uh, I've spoken to two highly

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qualified women who for different

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reasons have sort of said like I haven't

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gotten a definitive

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one way or the other. Um, so I'm going

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to still reach out to them though I

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suspect that neither of them will say

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yes at this time. Um, I have some other

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leads. there is a um a well-qualified

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male candidate who actually lives too

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far from I do um who uh seemed you know

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there was a question he is this reveals

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a certain amount of personal information

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but anyway he's currently serving on the

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board of assessors uh we had to check

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with the state ethics board to just

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confirm that there are no conflicts of

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interest just Pete has been oh just

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raised that questionnaire. So, I learned

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how to submit a request to the state

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ethics board. It is super easy. There's

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an online form. Somebody called me back

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within a few hours and I had an answer

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like the next day. Like I spoke to a

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lawyer and he was

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>> you spoke to an actual person that

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>> I spoke to a human being

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>> who was knowledgeable and informative

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and funny and it was great what he said.

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"No problem." Nice.

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>> No problem. So that So, um, you know, I

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don't want to drag I mean, we can the

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four of us can continue to do business.

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I don't want this to drag on very long.

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So, I I feel like we can fill the spot

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and skew the board five to one male. Um,

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so you just might have to be

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>> Oh, that's

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>> But um, but I'm I'm I'm not quite gonna

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just give me a little bit of time to

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>> pursue another couple of

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>> leads before we make a final decision,

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which I will, Alex.

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>> Uh, yes. Somebody who's on the fire

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department with Alex, he thought my

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husband thought might be interested and

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then I was like, what about his wife? Is

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she interested?

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>> Yeah. Yeah. But um I might see them on

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is it Santa Parade Saturday?

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>> If I see that guy,

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>> I'll mention it to him.

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>> Yeah, that sounds good. Like that's all

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I mean I I I feel like I was actually

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pleasantly surprised that there seemed

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to be I I got lots of recommendations,

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you know, of people who would be

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competent and appropriate, but you seem

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to run into this thing like they're

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like, "Oh, they're super busy." one like

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really interested but then took on other

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roles in the town and it's like well

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>> I should like not do this right away. So

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>> I do think people might be thinking that

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the time commitment is a lot more than

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it is because it's really

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>> like you know a couple meetings don't

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happen monthly, right? So it's like 10

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meetings a year. It's like 20 hours of

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your time plus maybe an additional hour

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here and there outside of the meetings.

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>> and really trying to be, you know,

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candid and honest like it's not like the

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just show for the meeting. It's not

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>> it's not another full-time job,

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>> right? still, you know, but I'm

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definitely learning the benefits. Like

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people do like to be asked like go up to

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them and like I've heard of you would

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you be they like to be pitched. Okay.

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So, uh I'm going to move to the next

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item of business unless there are any

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questions about that. Okay. Um planning

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board uh the election of planning board

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officers. I will remind you while I was

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looking back on the minutes that last

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January, January of this year, we all

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verbally agreed that we should on an

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annual basis

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have an election. So I won't do it

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today. I just want to social like remind

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you all that we'll elect a chair and a

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vice chair. And so at our next meeting

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in January, we'll do that. Currently,

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I'm the chair. JD is the vice chair. And

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>> um oh um are we going to continue with

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Tuesday meetings

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>> that for my finance committee agenda?

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Tuesdays were good because we're meeting

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on Wednesdays.

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>> The whole winter spring we're meeting

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Wednesdays. That's when select board

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meets.

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>> I have no problem.

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>> Tuesdays. Tuesdays is good for me.

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>> All right. We'll get to that that back

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at the end of the agenda. But okay. So

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far I see no problems with that.

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>> Okay. So yeah, um

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I'll say I'm happy to continue on as

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chair.

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>> I was gonna ask, are either of you

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looking to step up?

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>> I don't mind being the vice chair, but

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I'll gladly step aside for that. I mean,

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all I had to do was once when you were

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out was say we're going to have a

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meeting because it wasn't anything

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>> it's very informal. We don't have to arm

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wrestle or anything.

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>> No, it's pretty much understand like the

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procedures of how you call the meeting

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to order. I lose that procedure.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, that's all right. So, um

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>> Oh, I do have a key to to this building.

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>> I got Sarah's key.

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>> In fact, I was going to ask you about

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that. That's good to confirm.

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>> I Okay. Um so, the fifth item is it

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seems like this is not going to happen.

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I'll let you know that. Um, so Bay State

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Blasting,

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>> uh, is owns a parcel up off of Chestnut

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Plane.

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>> Uh, they have been there for quite some

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the it's been a dynamite facility for

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four because

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>> I was a little kid when it started.

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>> Yeah. Been there forever.

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>> Yeah, it's been there for a while.

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>> I worked there. My brother worked there.

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My father worked there.

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>> Oh, interesting. Interesting. Okay, good

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to know. Yeah. So they came when it was

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>> Yeah. It was it was sold

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>> and Bay State Blessing's been there

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>> 2008, 2010, something like that.

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>> The previous entity being out of

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business for some reason or another.

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>> So then it got sold to another company

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that is using the same site for the same

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as far as I understand they're using it

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for the same purposes. Yeah. It's been

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there forever. And

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>> they were using they're in the beginning

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using it for a lot less.

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>> Yeah. than what Pioneer Supply was

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doing.

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>> You know, volumewise. So now they're before the zoning board, the ZBA

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seeking an amendment to the existing

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special permit. Yeah. and the the ZBA

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held their first public hearing on that

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and continued it to the next meeting in

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January because during the meeting and

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it was sort of an initial meeting and it

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came up

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that um the the owners would like to

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apparently they they want to there's a a

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cap on the amount of explosives of

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material that can be stored on site,

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>> right?

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>> And it's solid. It's in some solid form.

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Uh, and they don't want to raise that,

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but they it seems like they want to now

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diversify to a different to include

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storage of a different kind of explosive

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that goes by a a a an abbreviation anfo.

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Anfo has been around forever.

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>> Yeah. and we stored it there when it was

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P and supply in vast quantities. So

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that's my confusion on this.

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>> Is that so?

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>> Correct. It's all about is it in bags?

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Is it in a trailer in bags?

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>> It's going to be they were proposing a

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new outdoor storage tank.

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>> They want to put it in a silo.

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>> In a silo.

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>> They want to store it differently than

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what they were storing it as. That would

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be my guess. being larger like a

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apparently their existing magazines hold

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20,000

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pounds.

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>> You don't even have to store it in a

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magazine because it's not explosive

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until it's confined and touched off by

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something.

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>> It's been a long it's fertilizer.

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>> You can imagine a magazine somewhere

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like a a super shipping container and

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there's different areas for that. You

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have to have

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>> as I recall it was like a dynamite. You

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had to have the info and you had to have

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a cap to make the whole thing work.

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>> Yeah. The info is not even it's just

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stored in a box trailer.

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>> They were all stored in different

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places. All the like part A, part B, and

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part C were not together. But the the

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Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

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heavily regulated.

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>> Yes. Yes.

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I I actually want to I'll briefly short

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circuit this actually very interesting

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conversation

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>> to say like I reached out to the

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building commissioner to find out if in

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his view whatever they were proposing to

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do there assuming it got a special

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permit amendment would need to come

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before us for a site review and and Jim

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said no and I still have no reason

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>> use changed right to to challenge that

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or so I don't think we actually have a

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stake here. So right now I'm just

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alerting you that this is going on.

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Though I would tell you um clearly

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there's a lot of lack of understanding

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about what AMO actually is. They have

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there's apparently been it's been clear

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that they are not currently it's not

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currently there

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and and

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>> really that's

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>> yeah so that Bay Blasting does pri

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primarily like site work so they do a

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seller hole for you or trenching when

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they're doing roads they don't go like

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my like Ireland yeah

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>> into like a quarry and do huge shots you

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know you put like 50,000 pounds in the

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ground they don't do that it's all very

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small and most of them even Pioneer when

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they were in their heyday like their

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info was at true in the quarry.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And like you have these big trucks that

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come and you like let someone else deal

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with all the storage of that. Like

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Pioneer always had dynamite and caps and

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boosters and and bags of Ampho, but

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never like a silo or

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>> a bulk not bulk.

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>> Yeah, the bulk silo was was in

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>> coned or something. Yeah, they blow it

329
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just like it's it is ammonium nitrate.

330
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It's fertilizer. I put it on my hay

331
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fields.

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>> Okay.

333
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>> In fact,

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>> reading Judy's email and

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>> the farmers all around the Oxford are

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also putting on their hayfield that it's

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not Yeah.

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>> So,

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>> it's it's very misunderstood.

340
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>> Look, so I will again this is not going

341
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to come before this board. my perception

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of what I when I attended the first

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public hearing just out of curiosity

344
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there's EBA and I'll probably go to the continuation but the the discussion of this the

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introduction of ANFO and the fact that

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it's a liquid emulsion versus a solid

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generated lots of you know hairs going

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up on people's necks about now this is a

349
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liquid liquid that could leak. It's over

350
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the aquafer protection district.

351
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>> Yeah. See, they're not even deter. Afo

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is not a liquid. It can't be a liquid.

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Anfo is a little tiny pellet. Emulsion

354
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is what you mix with ano and then it

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goes down the hole. So, the truck blends

356
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those two things together. So, they may

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be trying to

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slip something by for people that don't

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understand either by maybe they're

360
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trying to store emulsion as well. It's

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two different things.

362
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>> Okay. They talked about a liquid

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emulsion

364
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>> that is different than Anfo 100%.

365
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>> Okay.

366
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>> Yeah.

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>> Well, as you can imagine, I'm not here

368
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to

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>> We need to get you. Yes. We clearly have

370
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some explosive experts that are needed

371
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by the zoning board of appeals because I

372
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don't know how this EBA is going to go,

373
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"Oh, this this kind of silly went in

374
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before the sorry bylaws."

375
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>> I know. Well, I

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>> went in before the aquafer district was

377
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even formed. Right.

378
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>> I have been feeding to Deborah Carney

379
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like you need to find out about what

380
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grandfathering applies and under what

381
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circumstances because

382
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>> you may not

383
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you know there's the question of really

384
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has the use changed and and what rules

385
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apply and and I don't know the answer to

386
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that. I would say one other thing is

387
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like to my knowledge there's never been

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an incident there in 40 years in what

389
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they do there. There's never been any

390
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>> I mean if you have an accident it's over

391
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for you like you're

392
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>> in 40 years

393
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>> right

394
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>> and the beds are going to squish it.

395
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There were some comments were made along

396
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the lines of well there's hunting in

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those woods

398
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which seemed to be suggestive of what if

399
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a hunter happens to shoot and hit one of

400
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these you know

401
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>> bulletproof

402
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>> they're put you can imagine

403
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>> you could you could you could sit with a

404
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the biggest machine gun in the world and

405
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shoot a giant thing of anfo and it's

406
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just not going to do it doesn't work

407
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that Well, let me maybe I'll

408
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>> It doesn't It might if it caught on

409
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fire, it would just burn like it doesn't

410
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>> it's not going to explode like

411
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>> I don't know.

412
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I don't have any particular knowledge or

413
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expertise. I perceive the possibility of

414
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the ZBA

415
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possibly denying the special permit and

416
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I don't know whether it would be I don't

417
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know what to say about whether that

418
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would be a good decision. the court.

419
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>> But if you have the time and inclination

420
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to sit in on the next ZBA meeting um in

421
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January, which is already on the

422
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calendar, that's all they're going to do

423
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is continue the public hearing.

424
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>> I know you can't go up there and like

425
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buy Dynamite like you're like, "Oh, you

426
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can't go.

427
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>> They have no farm stand."

428
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>> Oh, no. You cannot buy it. you know,

429
00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,000
>> post 911 at, you know, totally different

430
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,720
ballgame.

431
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>> Also could be helpful, quite frankly, if

432
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you have particular relevant knowledge

433
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,959
to just email Deborah and just say that

434
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because she might talk to you, you know,

435
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offline at a time of your at her

436
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:51,519
convenience.

437
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>> And Mike, I mean, you could be a

438
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potential expert.

439
00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,639
I'd be interested in what they're

440
00:16:58,639 --> 00:16:59,440
actually asking.

441
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,880
>> You don't have a you don't have a decent

442
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,920
game because you don't work there

443
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anymore at your company, but you have a

444
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,400
lot of knowledge.

445
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,120
>> Yeah.

446
00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:09,280
>> I mean, truthfully, the burden is on the

447
00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,480
applicant,

448
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,799
>> but we understand that applicants, you

449
00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:15,760
know, we're all citizens without

450
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necessarily the right expertise. And

451
00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:21,520
citizens, rightly or wrongly, come to

452
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maybe they don't make the best

453
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decisions. So the the more that we can

454
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help get the right outcome, the better.

455
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But we have no dog. As far as I know, we

456
00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:32,320
have no dog in this fight.

457
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>> Interesting.

458
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>> But that's all about base day blasting.

459
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Okay. So, um, oh well, I mean, I guess

460
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before I move off the basically blast of

461
00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,320
the topic, so Judy Parkland did

462
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circulate an email to all of us. Um, and

463
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which,

464
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um, you know, and I'm privately

465
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communicated with Judy. She seems to

466
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feel like if I think if she were in

467
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charge, she would just deny the request

468
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and shut down the whole business. Um,

469
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but she made a recommendation that I put

470
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out a request on a lift serve asking

471
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about this. And um, I mean, again,

472
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I mean, I'll probably do that just to be

473
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helpful. This is kind of out of scope of

474
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our board, but I'm trying to help the

475
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ZBA. So,

476
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>> um, so anyway, you got that email. You

477
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can feel free if you want to reply to

478
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Judy. Be careful about replying all

479
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because open meeting law still applies

480
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for the four of us. But if you want to

481
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comment to

482
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>> not just hit the button.

483
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>> I know. I know. I like to just remind

484
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you all about that.

485
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>> Um and I did forward you the message

486
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about the conflict of interest training

487
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and all that other stuff. So you're good with that.

488
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>> So that's that. So

489
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>> was Judy a past board member? Correct.

490
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So, um, is there any reason why Judy

491
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shouldn't just be the other?

492
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>> She's a female. She seems to be

493
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interested.

494
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>> Worked for 11 years and that she's I

495
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think appropriately decided it's time to

496
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attend a little bit.

497
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>> She seems to, you know, wants that she's

498
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staying more engaged than I thought she

499
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would want to, but she

500
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>> is it maybe just the best thing she's

501
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quite concerned about and that

502
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>> she's on the committee for the

503
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>> That's right.

504
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>> Yeah. Yeah. And she

505
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>> I was just wondering

506
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>> and she's co-chair of or chair co-chair

507
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of the historical commission. I mean she

508
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has

509
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>> she's still very much involved.

510
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>> She's got and she's got long roots but

511
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um

512
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>> she's very helpful in teaching how to

513
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write legal.

514
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>> I certainly think to write illegal ads.

515
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,400
>> Yeah. Once she's gone to she's very

516
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helpful that

517
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>> okay

518
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>> we don't always see eye to eye but I

519
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greatly respect her.

520
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,840
>> Okay. So, um

521
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I I don't know and I know George I see

522
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George is on the call. So, I'll make

523
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sure to give George an opportunity if he

524
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wants to make any comments. Uh really

525
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all I wanted to do tonight because I

526
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only got this draft. I just want to sort

527
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of give you the verbal and sort of go on

528
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the record about like more than my email

529
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so everyone knows like what I did. So

530
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I've since our last meeting in October,

531
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I took the state model bylaw. Um I

532
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essentially first I did this in multiple

533
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steps. I just basically copied the

534
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original language. Then I went through

535
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it and using my best judgment and

536
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knowledge of our zoning made certain

537
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changes to it to um align with things

538
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that we've talked about and um and just

539
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like take generic language like the

540
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model used the term like the special

541
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permit granting authority and I would

542
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replace that with the zoning board of

543
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appeals which is our threshold permit

544
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branding. So, I made certain changes

545
00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:09,840
like that and maybe I don't know that I

546
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,000
really deleted anything. Um, I may have

547
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,159
like I used highlighter when I made

548
00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:18,720
certain just

549
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,440
editorial changes to the to the model

550
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,480
Bible. Having completed that step, um

551
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,799
then I went back

552
00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:33,760
comparing it to the more or less final

553
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,240
draft bylaw that came out of the energy

554
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,200
storage system study committee and and

555
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080
kind of went and pulled in provisions

556
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,600
and put them in the parts of the the new

557
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,120
draft

558
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,679
where it seemed like they went like when

559
00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:52,640
I saw like here's a seemingly again just

560
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,520
using my best judgment like when this

561
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,840
here's a provision didn't seem to be

562
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,720
addressed or covered in the model,

563
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,159
>> I just kind of pulled it in.

564
00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:06,960
Um, and that was really all I had time

565
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,640
like to complete one full draft with

566
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,559
some inclusions

567
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:16,400
from the storage committee. Um and then

568
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:21,919
documenting what I my best sense of what

569
00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:24,480
still needs to be done kind of open

570
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,799
unresolved issues.

571
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:31,120
Uh I've said that I've left out for now

572
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:35,520
the language about a licensing board. if

573
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,559
I can say more about that

574
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:44,559
ask. But um what I was what I wanted to

575
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:48,559
accomplish tonight was just

576
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,600
state where I sort of make sure we have

577
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,640
an agreement that I my goal is to get a

578
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,880
final bylaw through all the wickets. We

579
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,159
have to get it through in time to go on

580
00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:05,679
to a town meeting warrant in this coming

581
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:08,720
I assume June. And I think what that

582
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200
probably would mean at the latest is

583
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,520
that we would do a public hearing. We'd

584
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,960
over like January, February come to some

585
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000
agreement on final language,

586
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,159
have a public hearing in March.

587
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:28,080
Um and and then and I'm going to I think

588
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,840
there's always a risk here that town

589
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,520
meeting could be April because it keeps

590
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,520
last year it seemed like I got an early

591
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,200
indication like town meeting.

592
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,640
>> It was always April and then it got the

593
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,000
last couple years we bumped it.

594
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:40,480
>> Yeah.

595
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,760
>> Because we're waiting for figures to

596
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,200
come in and we don't get the elementary

597
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,880
school figures until like March.

598
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,200
>> Yeah.

599
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,640
>> There's not enough time. So it's been

600
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,240
bumped permanently which is for the

601
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,559
better. And I just so I'm going to I

602
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,720
have the uncertainty means I kind of

603
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,640
have to initially plan on like till

604
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,120
April and then we might get the

605
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,280
breathing room to have some extra time.

606
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,919
>> They did permanently move it to J.

607
00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:05,520
>> They've changed it. Yeah, it is June.

608
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,720
That is it.

609
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,039
>> Okay.

610
00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:08,240
>> And from now on it's

611
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,200
>> I wasn't aware of that.

612
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,640
>> Yeah, they have moved it to J.

613
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,000
>> Okay. And by the way, as an aside, I

614
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,760
don't know if I learned this at the

615
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,640
you probably all know more about this

616
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,640
now than I do, which is fine. No, no

617
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,440
harm no harm to foul, but um I went to

618
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,240
the Weightley scoop folding event at

619
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,120
Joyce's house, which is a fun like there

620
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,120
was some box wine. I mean, it was like

621
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,559
if you Anyway, but I learned that Joyce

622
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,880
is stepping down at the end of her

623
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,640
current term from the select board.

624
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,080
They're looking to

625
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,080
>> replace, you know, recruit somebody new

626
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,000
to the select board and that Nat is

627
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,679
going to also step down as town

628
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:51,919
moderator. So, there's going to be some

629
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:55,919
changes in town leadership to sharing

630
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:56,400
that.

631
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,919
>> I think we see like the national level

632
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:01,840
people having been on boards for way too

633
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,400
long. This is a good thing has to change

634
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,039
order. I mean I don't know I don't know

635
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,159
that other names.

636
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:10,159
>> Although I I must say I don't want Scott

637
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:12,000
Jackson to have retired but the mission

638
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,760
commission. He's amazing.

639
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,240
>> He's an expert.

640
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,760
>> He was one of my professors.

641
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,159
>> Very very

642
00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:26,400
um so then just because again now Judy

643
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,240
sent this message related to the best

644
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,799
buy. I think

645
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:34,400
what I wanted to happen

646
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,600
with among all of us over the next month

647
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,640
to our next meeting is that you have a

648
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,400
chance to now go through the draft. I'm

649
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,320
going to continue to work and refine it

650
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,440
and try to get it into a form where I

651
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,760
think, you know, it's good enough. I

652
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,640
keep telling myself the perfect is the

653
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,200
enemy of the good enough. I want to get

654
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,159
something that I think covers what we

655
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:03,039
needs to get covered and has minimal

656
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,880
chance of getting rejected by the

657
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,640
attorney's office.

658
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,559
>> Which leads me also sort of I want to

659
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,120
catch you up on a few things

660
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,640
>> about the DOER office hours that I

661
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,960
attended. So in October, I said there's

662
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,480
this upcoming opportunity in November to

663
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,799
attend an office hour of the women's

664
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,600
bylaws and interact with state people

665
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:31,440
about it. And I did that. Uh it it was

666
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,840
good. It it wasn't as much as I'd hoped

667
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000
for for the thought. There was like a

668
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,679
lawyer there. Apparently, as is typical

669
00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:41,760
these days in governments, this kind of

670
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,360
work is largely outsourced to technical

671
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,919
experts. And there's like one company

672
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:50,400
that is involved in doing the work

673
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,520
related to solar electric generation and

674
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,320
a different company dealing with battery

675
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,120
storage. The people dealing with solar

676
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,039
were at the office hours. The battery

677
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,760
storage people were not. a particular

678
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,880
one that I had and solar people like

679
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,360
they did their best to

680
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,600
answer my questions. But basically I

681
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,960
wanted to know things like if we you

682
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,440
know to what extent if we adopt the

683
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,080
model bylaw is does this just mean that

684
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,919
the attorney general will approve it?

685
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:25,760
And they said they're they're actively

686
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,039
meeting with the attorney general's

687
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,440
office to make sure that yes indeed that

688
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,279
if you basically follow the model that will be deemed compliant. But they

689
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,000
also said that you don't have to

690
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,559
ultimately the attorney general is going

691
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,240
to be reviewing these sorts of bylaws

692
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,679
and making judgments about compliance

693
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:50,080
with you know constitutionality. There

694
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,679
will always be difference given to towns

695
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:57,440
with a proviso that you might do

696
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,240
something, put something in your bylaw

697
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,080
that

698
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,200
as far as the state can tell seems okay,

699
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,360
isn't an unreasonable burden on

700
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,120
applicants,

701
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,279
but the state will not say that

702
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,600
>> you couldn't be challenged in court.

703
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,399
Right? So a a knowledgeable applicant

704
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:20,080
could say, "Wow, that's clearly

705
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,159
unreasonable, and we're going to take

706
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:23,760
you to court over this." And then the

707
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,880
town would have to either defend or just

708
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,559
to say, "Okay,

709
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:29,919
>> try to settle somehow out."

710
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:31,919
>> Right. Right. And of course, we as a

711
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:35,279
planning board don't want to end up for

712
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,679
unnecessary lawsuits.

713
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:42,159
Um, so they also didn't say that if you

714
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:45,120
already have a battery storage bylaw

715
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,840
that it'll state law will invalidate

716
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,000
yours.

717
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,240
But they it they did say it'll be kind

718
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,480
of like what happened with accessory

719
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,320
dwelling grants that if your local

720
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,240
bylaws are inconsistent with state the

721
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,200
new state regulations then a developer

722
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,200
can simply

723
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,440
>> follow state regulations and is more

724
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,720
>> the state regulations supersedes

725
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,440
whatever town

726
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,279
>> exactly and that doesn't involve

727
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,760
lawsuits or anything like that but that

728
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,159
could lead a town to not have the best

729
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,279
outcome for the town and I've said, you

730
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,880
know, hopefully maybe in 2026 we'll deal

731
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,320
with our AD, you know, revise our bylaws

732
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,760
with respect to accessory dwelling.

733
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Right now, ours are inconsistent with

734
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,039
state law. Uh we I asked about the

735
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,799
exclusion

736
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,799
of of battery storage beyond a certain

737
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,720
size within the aquifer protection

738
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,039
district. Would that be considered an

739
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,360
unreasonable restriction? And they said,

740
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240
"Well, it depends." Of course, they were

741
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,799
very careful to say, "We can't give you

742
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,399
legal guidance, right? That's what your

743
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,399
town council is for." So, they said,

744
00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:03,039
"But like

745
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,919
what I heard was like if you have vast

746
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:08,080
amounts of your town in an aquifer

747
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,600
protection district and you're

748
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,480
effectively excluding vast amounts of

749
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,399
your town, then that might be

750
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:16,240
considered."

751
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,919
But I said, "Well, you know, I showed

752
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,679
them the map. It's like our agriculture

753
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,600
protection district. It's not that big.

754
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,600
And you know, so they probably you'd be

755
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,760
okay there. Uh we had a discussion about

756
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,399
um then we had a discussion about

757
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,480
private wells,

758
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,120
>> right? Like there had been a proposal in

759
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,200
the original draft of like setting these

760
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,399
setbacks from private wells. And I and I

761
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,399
will

762
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:48,720
haven't done this yet. I did have an

763
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,600
interaction by email. I don't know if I

764
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,840
forward this to you with with the board

765
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,559
of health about the Yeah, I didn't want

766
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,880
to I didn't I didn't want to make you

767
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,720
crazy, but I I I had an interaction like

768
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,480
couple three months ago with the board

769
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,520
of health

770
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,159
>> on this very issue. Like I wanted to

771
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:11,760
know how accessible or publicly

772
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,320
available are the locations of all the

773
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200
private wells. Like if you're an

774
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,559
applicant, can you go to a GIS?

775
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:21,840
>> Yeah,

776
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,919
>> like and I don't think so.

777
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:25,360
>> I would doubt it. Yeah, I don't.

778
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,919
>> And there I

779
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:31,279
the the I got a copy of Wheatley's water

780
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,919
regulations which has been very useful.

781
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:36,399
Like they have setbacks like they want

782
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:40,080
to make sure private wells are not to

783
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,720
too close to septic systems and other

784
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,360
sources of contamination. And so I've

785
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,480
been looking those over

786
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,559
um to sort of form an an opinion based

787
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,760
on existing regulation. But in the

788
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,559
office hours they asked these kinds of

789
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,640
questions. They said, "Well, that could

790
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,120
be an issue." Like if you're putting an

791
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,720
unreasonable burden on applicants to

792
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,679
have to get access to information that's

793
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:12,000
not easily accessible, is costly to

794
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,399
obtain, is kind of a deterrent,

795
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:18,799
>> then that's the kind of thing that could

796
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,640
at least invalidate that provision.

797
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200
I've separately asked Pete this question

798
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,600
of about this notion of severability. If

799
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,159
you sort of wonder like and I'd like to

800
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,720
get state guidance or town council

801
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,159
guidance like if we were to pass a bylaw

802
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:39,760
then it was basically fine but had

803
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,159
certain provisions that were

804
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:45,200
unreasonable like a big setback from

805
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,789
private wells.

806
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,840
Would a state respond by just projecting

807
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,120
the whole thing

808
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,960
>> or might they just sort of do like a

809
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,960
line item detail like

810
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,559
>> this is okay but not that

811
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,880
>> just to go backwards

812
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,039
does this rel to this so we haven't

813
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:06,399
special time meeting

814
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:08,080
>> correct

815
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,039
October special town meeting it passed

816
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:12,880
our actual protection

817
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,240
>> best and Brian made the amendment to 250

818
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,760
instead of 800 right

819
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840
>> has the How the clerk certified and

820
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,279
submitted that to the attorney general

821
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:22,960
but got any feedback from them?

822
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,960
>> Well, we wouldn't get feedback for 90

823
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,000
days. It

824
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,440
>> they have up to 90 days.

825
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,000
And what I have

826
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,640
done as of

827
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,240
we got all the documentation to our town

828
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,760
clerk this past Friday for the form

829
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,039
seven. She needs to submit to submitted

830
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:43,840
to the attorney general.

831
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,360
>> They may not or have may have to

832
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,720
attorney general.

833
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,080
>> Remember when I did I got my um zoning

834
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,799
change on Egypt road like oh 90 days

835
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,799
from the meeting though was like 120

836
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,080
days from the meeting because there's a

837
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,919
period that goes by after special

838
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:03,039
meeting or meeting just processes stuff.

839
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,679
So we have real feedback from the state

840
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:07,120
because if we had some feedback from

841
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,440
that that might guide us here and that

842
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,760
might not arrive until around the time

843
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,679
we might be doing a public hearing on

844
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,560
this right but so these are some of the

845
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
issues I'm trying to worry about like

846
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,639
because what I don't want to if there's

847
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,399
a risk that the attorney general would

848
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:25,280
just strike down the whole thing

849
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
>> versus just a bad provision like then I

850
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,480
want to be very cautious about what we

851
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,359
put

852
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,040
>> because I just don't want all this work

853
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,480
to go to waste.

854
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,639
>> Um so but but so the main piece of

855
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,440
feedback was like the issue of like the

856
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,079
aquifer protection district exclusion

857
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,040
seemed like it would be okay. It was

858
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,119
more questionable about a general

859
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,399
provision away from private wells unless

860
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:55,200
it we could basically demonstrate that

861
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,839
it was not burdensome on applicants. I

862
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:01,599
wonder if it would be um maybe a way to

863
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,400
solve that problem could be like if we

864
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,720
just take into account whatever the

865
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,520
property line setback is make it 100 ft

866
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,960
or whatever is that enough to make

867
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,720
somebody's well like to really reduce

868
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,400
the risk of well contamination because

869
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,079
that is an easy way to maybe to solve

870
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:22,000
the problem. Well, brilliant minds

871
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,720
Laura. Um, I will draw your attention to

872
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,960
there's a note that I stuck in the

873
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,400
document where I

874
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,280
>> there are in the well in weight's well

875
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,079
regulations. There's a a seg a section

876
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,000
about setbacks

877
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,320
>> and I've included all of that because

878
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,240
there are setbacks in our regs from

879
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,480
septic systems, property lines and other

880
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,520
things

881
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,440
>> and those are fairly low like 50 feet

882
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,400
from property lines and I think with

883
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,640
maybe even only 50 feet from septic

884
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,480
systems. I I may not be remembering but

885
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,280
it's in a note.

886
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,280
>> Yeah. But I was thinking the same idea

887
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,280
that if if a well a private well needs

888
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,480
to be set back at least 50 feet from a

889
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,359
septic tank and also 50 ft from our

890
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,040
property line,

891
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,040
>> you know, we might just be able to solve

892
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,359
the connection of private wells.

893
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:22,000
>> Mike, do you have to feed um your cattle

894
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,160
portable water?

895
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,440
No, but the well that we did for the

896
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,280
building,

897
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,119
it's a long story, but they have

898
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:31,920
portable water.

899
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,359
>> They have portable water, but there's no

900
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,599
requirement because there's agricultural

901
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,240
wells that not a portable well isn't fit

902
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,640
for human consumption. Yes. There's

903
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,560
agricultural wells in town. They're just

904
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,119
>> If someone's going to drill you up,

905
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,079
they're going to it's going to be

906
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,520
they're going to get it tested. Yeah.

907
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Does that make sense? Okay. If you're

908
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,079
putting in like something yourself, then

909
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,280
the animals don't. But like h can drill

910
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,720
a well, they just go through the

911
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:57,200
motions.

912
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,440
>> But if you have a cows and use weight

913
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,960
and you want to put a well point in to

914
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,400
feed your cows,

915
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,520
>> yeah, you can just

916
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520
>> you don't have the wall water. You're

917
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,720
>> cows can drink water that beavers are in

918
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:11,599
without

919
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:12,960
>> gardia and anything.

920
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,240
>> Okay, that that was that's what I was

921
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:14,880
getting at.

922
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,520
>> No.

923
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,040
>> Okay. There's no requirement that the

924
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,960
water's poor will feed last time.

925
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,079
>> I know because I mean, think about all

926
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,160
the people who you get a pond on your

927
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,599
property that's stagnant water.

928
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,040
>> All the animals that lived before we

929
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:25,920
were here, right?

930
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,880
>> Somehow they made it.

931
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,480
>> Well, especially in other parts of the

932
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,320
>> Well, I have a well at my house for

933
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,359
irrigation.

934
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:33,280
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I know a lot of people

935
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,720
in in our my development have wells just

936
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,800
for irrigation that are not considered

937
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,400
portable. But maybe what we need to do

938
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,320
then is talk about a portable water well

939
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,920
for private usage or something.

940
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,560
>> I believe the Wly

941
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,280
>> drinking water rags only apply to well

942
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,520
drink.

943
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,160
>> I don't know. I I'm not sure whether you

944
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,440
can just drill a well deliberately

945
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,720
saying it's not going to be for portable

946
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,119
for drinking water. But I I'm not sure.

947
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:06,400
>> Yeah. I mean I think if you're doing it

948
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,320
yourself, you can probably drink water.

949
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,040
Yeah. Right. Or then you're if you're

950
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,400
drink and you die then which you can

951
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,760
drill a well to feed a pivot to for

952
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,240
irrigating a field. Anyway, I don't want

953
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,280
to go on too much about this, right? Um

954
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,720
so that's I think where we are. Judy

955
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,800
brought up this point about um that I

956
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,800
still

957
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,079
it's there's a valid point in her

958
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,000
message that

959
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,800
whatever we want to make sure that our

960
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,560
bylaw does not place

961
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040
um

962
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480
you know inappropriate or infeasible

963
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,200
expectations on our shared building

964
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:53,920
spect.

965
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,400
>> Yes.

966
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,599
>> All right. Um, and I

967
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,119
she may have Okay, I just sent this

968
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:02,960
around a few days ago. It's easy to skim

969
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,640
it, but I believe I I attempted to have

970
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,680
a provision in the draft

971
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,160
>> that would say that the planning board

972
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,359
andor the zoning board can hire experts

973
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:22,320
to support site plan reviews and or

974
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,079
special permanent evaluations. that

975
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,560
there is no need for the building

976
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,880
inspector to have any specialized

977
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,599
expertise. Let me just remind you of a a

978
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,200
construct that

979
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,760
>> Yeah, I was going to say that prior to

980
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,839
my time on the board, there was some

981
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:40,160
conflict with the building inspector and

982
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,240
maybe the board felt that the building

983
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,240
inspector was not as confident as it

984
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,119
should be in handling issues and stuff

985
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:48,960
like that. So, there's some history with

986
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,119
building inspector and what he did. I'm

987
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,320
obviously a little bit biased the

988
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,440
builder. I have to work with them all

989
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,640
the time. I have great faith in the

990
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,160
building inspector and what they do.

991
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,839
Yeah. So I have they have my full

992
00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:59,040
support for their capital

993
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,320
>> and they're but they're not Yeah. They I

994
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,000
wouldn't expect the building inspector

995
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,920
to make assessments about what's the

996
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,320
appropriate financial shy in the event

997
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,119
of

998
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,680
>> that's your area of expertise. All the

999
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,440
building the fast CMR calls out when the

1000
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,520
building inspector needs help or

1001
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,240
assistance or stuff like that. It always

1002
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,400
gets deferred to hiring a specialist or

1003
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,920
an engineer to consult or stuff like

1004
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,400
that. In anything like this, there's got

1005
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,160
to be a consulting engineer that submits

1006
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,680
a plan that's stamped for it, right?

1007
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,800
>> Pretty much the only thing you don't

1008
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,560
need it for is doing a war two family

1009
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,800
toiling under 30,000 feet. Everything is

1010
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,320
filter engineer involved for all this

1011
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,920
stuff. Anyway, I just wanted to, you

1012
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,240
know, like acknowledge you got her

1013
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,440
feedback.

1014
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,960
>> I think I wanted to reiterate that there

1015
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,760
were these like three permitting

1016
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,839
scenarios I'm trying to build into this

1017
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:55,839
bylaw. The first scenario is the use is

1018
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,000
just allowed by right. These are small.

1019
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,800
There's minimal risk. You can do it like

1020
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,480
at my house, right? Up to a certain

1021
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:08,480
size. Then the next higher tier is

1022
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,200
site plan review. You know it's by right

1023
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,160
>> right with

1024
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,440
>> but site plan review site what that does

1025
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,280
and I'll just reiterate so everyone's

1026
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,440
aware what site plan review would mean

1027
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,960
is that we have insight into what's

1028
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,040
being done. We can see the plans. We can

1029
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,200
wave, you know, there's a whole lot of

1030
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,599
requirements for what needs to be

1031
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:36,800
submitted for a site plan review, but we

1032
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,000
explicitly will have discretion to wave

1033
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,079
certain things if we feel it's

1034
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,960
unnecessary. Like if something is just

1035
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,319
above the threshold, we might say, well,

1036
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:49,520
we don't really need this, we don't

1037
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,440
really need that. we have discretion,

1038
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,040
but there's and then if something

1039
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,760
doesn't comply to our bylaws

1040
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,839
or like we could the only time we could

1041
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:05,359
deny site plan approval is if something

1042
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:09,040
were not conformant with zoning

1043
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,640
otherwise approval is nondiscretionary

1044
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,319
and we can put in conditions to you know

1045
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:18,960
in our area of responsibility for

1046
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,480
screening and noise and things like that

1047
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,319
because it could be a concern that some

1048
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:26,880
of these storage facilities they have

1049
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,480
HVAC systems they can generate noise. So

1050
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,119
they're reasonable things where at the

1051
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,359
at site plan review we might intervene.

1052
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:41,280
The next tier is site plan review and

1053
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,839
special permits. special permits being

1054
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:46,800
discretionary where we might in those

1055
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,319
situations

1056
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:49,839
be

1057
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:52,880
um sequencing the permitting where

1058
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,520
because if the ZBA were to deny a

1059
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,440
special permit for whatever reason,

1060
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,839
there's no point in doing the site plan.

1061
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:00,480
>> Yeah.

1062
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,880
>> However, the other thing that I'm still

1063
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,720
trying to wrap my head around and for us

1064
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,960
to be aware of for when these things go

1065
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,680
into effect is the state the new state

1066
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,520
rules are going to require what they

1067
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,240
call comprehensive

1068
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,920
permitting

1069
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,280
and there's going to be like a 12month

1070
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,359
start to finish deadline for cities and

1071
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:27,839
towns to provide, you know, a yes or no.

1072
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:28,880
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1073
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,599
>> And so

1074
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,920
>> if we can't get through it, they get it

1075
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,200
>> right. And so I think now it could be

1076
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,800
like if the ZBA were able to sort of

1077
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,800
sort this out over a few short months

1078
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,720
and then we pick up the ball and sort it

1079
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,160
out over a few short months, we're

1080
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,960
within the 12 month time. But we might

1081
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,280
end up start finding ourselves where we

1082
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,800
kind of want to be doing like joint

1083
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,920
public hearings. So we're moving both

1084
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,000
processes along

1085
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,599
>> and not putting them.

1086
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:58,640
>> It'd be more efficient.

1087
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,560
>> It would be more efficient. Have we had

1088
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,880
that discussion with the ZBA yet? No.

1089
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,319
Right. But something to be aware of. Um,

1090
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:10,720
so I I take her point. Uh, I think it's

1091
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,440
already addressed in the draft that

1092
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,319
we're not expecting them that things

1093
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:21,680
like shity would be decided by

1094
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,760
I think by us. Again, these are things I

1095
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,119
have to clarify, but I wanted to make

1096
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:28,560
this clear that

1097
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
whenever there is whenever something is

1098
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,079
not by right, there will always be site

1099
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,599
plan. Will be site plan review and no

1100
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,880
special permit or it'll be site plan

1101
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,800
review and special permit. So in a way

1102
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,280
if we say if something requires site

1103
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,280
plan review

1104
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,240
that's like then it might also need a

1105
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,359
special permit but we'll always be we'll

1106
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:58,880
like be at the table to review first.

1107
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,960
reissue order of conditions or something

1108
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,359
for site plan review. Those get attached

1109
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:05,599
to register third street deeds, right?

1110
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:10,640
>> I think I think site plan approval

1111
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,599
documents are attached to the registry

1112
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,839
of deeds. There are certainly dating

1113
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:18,720
conditions for issuance of a building

1114
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,359
permit.

1115
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:21,920
>> So there's you could have a developer

1116
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,359
developing something and then as soon as

1117
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,119
suddenly sell it to another organization

1118
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,720
sells it to another organization. just

1119
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,119
want to make sure that these grow to the

1120
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,079
successor society.

1121
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,000
>> I believe that's the way that's the

1122
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,240
case. Whoever is the new party coming in

1123
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,160
to take control is bound by the rules

1124
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,599
that we set water.

1125
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:38,240
>> Yes.

1126
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,240
And that's really for a special

1127
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:40,720
purpose.

1128
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,160
>> We want to make sure that's the case.

1129
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,280
>> Yeah.

1130
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:49,109
>> Look at

1131
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:53,359
so my that's my sum of where we are. my

1132
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:56,160
your homework to the next meeting is to

1133
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,599
look at the draft.

1134
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,119
>> I'm going to continue to work on the

1135
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,640
open issues. If you have I mean to the

1136
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,000
extent that you can do this sooner

1137
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,520
rather than later and send me any

1138
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,599
comments or questions that gives me an

1139
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,599
opportunity to like deal with it before

1140
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,079
our next meeting, but my goal would be

1141
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:16,240
to have a new updated draft by our next

1142
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:16,720
meeting.

1143
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,960
>> Is there anything else on our horizon

1144
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,960
for special town meeting or for annual

1145
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,599
town meeting? Well, that's a great Let's

1146
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:25,520
take that up. Okay.

1147
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,440
>> Before tonight is over,

1148
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,640
>> I'd like to move off battery storage,

1149
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,800
but I want to see George, I think, has

1150
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,560
come off mute. George, do you have any

1151
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,160
comments or questions?

1152
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,280
>> I do. Can Can you folks hear me? Okay.

1153
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,800
>> We hear you. Great. Please.

1154
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,720
>> Okay. Uh, I I think the draft as I was

1155
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,680
able to skim it, uh, looks looks great

1156
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,920
so far. I think you're on target with

1157
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,280
that, Brent. Um, I do agree with the

1158
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,440
clarification that Judy asked for around

1159
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,599
the um around the shity and and who who

1160
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,920
hires the engineer to do that and and

1161
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,640
where that falls. Um, I did want to just

1162
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,480
mention licensing and why that has come

1163
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,240
up. Um, the outputs of the study

1164
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,839
committee were two major components. One

1165
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:16,480
is the zoning bylaw which you're working

1166
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,079
on through multiple iterations. we did,

1167
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:21,839
I think, have a little influence on the

1168
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:26,960
state uh in the back and forth there and I I think we're in a good place with

1169
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,760
that and where it's coming. Um the other

1170
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,760
issue we tried to address was what

1171
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,680
happens after these things are

1172
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,280
um cited, they're built, they're

1173
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,280
installed. And what we're seeing

1174
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,119
nationally and we looked into quite a

1175
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,400
lot of this is that uh in a lot of cases

1176
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,319
it's it's large investment firms coming

1177
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:48,800
in and building these and these things

1178
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,520
changing hands to private equity shortly

1179
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,079
after. Um, so how do we build in any

1180
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,280
long-term accountability and inspections

1181
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,880
on these things to make sure that

1182
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,599
they're being maintained, which which is

1183
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:05,440
crucial for these, especially the fire

1184
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,520
suppression systems where we've seen

1185
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,440
um cat catastrophic fires nationally.

1186
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,599
um the huge one in California just a

1187
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,440
year or so ago, the the one with

1188
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,280
fatalities in uh Arizona before that,

1189
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,040
there are indications that the fire

1190
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,000
suppression systems either were not

1191
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,800
maintained adequately or the technology

1192
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,040
was old and had not had not been updated

1193
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,400
to current protections, especially in

1194
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,480
the California case. So

1195
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,040
what we had uh thought to do in

1196
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,640
addressing that was to come up with a

1197
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,880
licensing provision under a general

1198
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,280
bylaw which would not be a zoning bylaw

1199
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,119
and which went to the select board um to

1200
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:52,880
address that because right now we're

1201
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,079
seeing no provisions for ongoing

1202
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:58,160
inspections and oversight of maintenance

1203
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,400
of these things

1204
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,880
um by the state. some something like um

1205
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,880
base blasting, you know, we can rest

1206
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,880
assured there that we have the state

1207
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,400
fire marshall coming in there to do

1208
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,880
regular inspections. ATF makes regular

1209
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,319
inspections and then there are

1210
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:19,599
um kind of authorizing agencies there

1211
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,720
who can help assure us as a town that

1212
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,839
we're protected in those situations

1213
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,359
um and then then we can have confidence

1214
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:30,720
in that. So, you know, the question is

1215
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,400
to have in your minds looking forward,

1216
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,880
how do we maintain protection for the

1217
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,680
town after these have been permitted and

1218
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,119
built and change hands uh two or three

1219
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:43,680
or four times over over the expected

1220
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,240
what 20 25 year potential lifetime of

1221
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,160
these.

1222
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,079
So,

1223
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,319
that's all I wanted to add to uh to kind

1224
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:54,559
of keep that in mind and and see how

1225
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:59,270
that can tie into this zoning bylaw.

1226
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,520
Very good. Thank you, George. So, so

1227
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,680
noted. And you know, again, I'll remind

1228
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,119
everyone that a a draft of that general

1229
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,319
bylaw for a weight licensing board did

1230
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:14,640
go to the select board. Um, they haven't

1231
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,520
I I gather they they were positive

1232
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,119
towards it. they it hasn't it hasn't

1233
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,119
really been voted on because we haven't

1234
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,079
done our part that makes it necessary.

1235
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,640
I'll be candid that I have my own, you

1236
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,319
know, objections and reservations to

1237
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,960
that and I want to follow up with town

1238
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,960
council to make sure that this is not

1239
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,480
another one of those things where,

1240
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,960
you know, the argument is that I mean

1241
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,760
there's a clear argument in favor of it

1242
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,400
like this ongoing inspection thing. Um

1243
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,520
the potential push back is that it

1244
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,720
creates this deterrent risk for an

1245
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,359
applicant. Meaning that if there could

1246
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:06,960
be sort of a a relatively arbitrary

1247
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,119
termination or shutdown of their project

1248
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:15,680
by a set say a you know citizen

1249
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,119
licensing but I'm like sort of playing

1250
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,160
devil's advocate here. Right. So I I'm I

1251
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,800
want to just investigate that it's to

1252
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,480
what I see is it's it's easy to put in a

1253
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,240
line in the bylaw that says, you know,

1254
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,960
you also need a a license from the

1255
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:42,079
weight licensing and then have the the town pass their general file. Both

1256
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,480
of course again both have to pass that

1257
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,760
sort of thing. Um, and I might be okay

1258
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,680
with that and not sweat it too much if I

1259
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,680
could feel confident if town council

1260
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,400
said this would be okay. I've not asked.

1261
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,319
Town council reviewed a draft of the the

1262
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:01,920
ES3C

1263
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,480
and didn't raise any flags but wasn't

1264
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,839
specifically asked about the the pros

1265
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:11,359
and cons about that. And if my concerns

1266
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:14,000
are swaged by town council, I might be

1267
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,240
fine with just putting that in there.

1268
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,280
Um, like I said, my number one is like

1269
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,599
under no circumstance I do I want all

1270
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,960
this work to go to waste. So if if it

1271
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,640
could be if I knew that things that the AGO the attorney general objected to

1272
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,640
could just be struck out and retain the

1273
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,880
rest of everything. I could be good with

1274
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,520
putting in a few nice to haves.

1275
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,680
>> Right. or I mean and I don't want to say

1276
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,680
like I don't necessarily mean it's a

1277
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,520
nice town. I think there's a logical

1278
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,000
argument for a licensing report

1279
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:48,559
but

1280
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:49,920
>> but certain things aren't hills we're

1281
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,359
going to die on with this.

1282
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:54,720
>> Correct. Correct. You know and I and

1283
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,319
I've not seen any other you know the

1284
00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:58,240
model doesn't make any provisions for

1285
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,079
this. I've not seen any other bylaws

1286
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:01,599
that do these kinds of things. Again,

1287
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,640
not to say that we are not like leading

1288
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,640
the way, like we're innovative and we've

1289
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,119
got a brilliant idea, but it may also be

1290
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,440
possible. Another question is when

1291
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,880
special permits are given or uh or site

1292
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,359
plan reviews are completed, could there

1293
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:21,680
just be boilerplate conditions that

1294
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,880
allow us to conduct annual inspections

1295
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,119
with with a you know and it with an

1296
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,200
expert,

1297
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,040
you know, paid for by the applicant.

1298
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,319
That was the other issue,

1299
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:37,040
>> right? that now you start to impose

1300
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,160
these open-ended costs

1301
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,960
on like every year we're going to do an

1302
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,520
inspection like when these inspections

1303
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,680
the ATF does an inspection of Bay State

1304
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,520
blasting I mean I guess they

1305
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,839
>> they have to pay for it right it's not

1306
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:53,920
>> ATF's paid for it by us all of us

1307
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,640
sitting here

1308
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,880
>> okay but it's not like Bayate blasting

1309
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,359
has to pay a fee

1310
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:01,119
>> not unless they find something they can

1311
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:02,000
get fined

1312
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:02,720
>> they can get

1313
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,319
>> which usually they're going to find

1314
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:07,359
They're probably put to inspection

1315
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:09,599
>> because every piece has a barcode and

1316
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:11,359
number on the tracking of where it went.

1317
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:11,680
Yeah.

1318
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,040
>> Who's handled it? Where it's being

1319
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,040
stored at night. Like

1320
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,640
>> well my dad worked there. So they

1321
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,680
couldn't even leave in a trunk

1322
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,240
overnight. Like if if these pieces went

1323
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:21,520
out at the end of the day, whatever get

1324
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,319
used to get back in the

1325
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:27,200
thing like as a builder, JD, like if

1326
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,640
>> if a town said you can do your you can

1327
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,119
have your property or whatever your

1328
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:36,400
thing on Egypt Road, but once a year

1329
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,079
we're going to conduct an inspection

1330
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,480
and you're going to have to pay. We're

1331
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,359
going to choose

1332
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:46,000
>> There are inspections, okay? And it's

1333
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,680
not so much for me because I'm not open

1334
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:48,640
to the public.

1335
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:48,960
>> Okay.

1336
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,040
>> And there's a number for it and I forget

1337
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,200
what the number Chief Kennedy could tell

1338
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,599
you, but the fire department, the fire

1339
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,680
chief and the building inspector do

1340
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,680
these inspections of public places,

1341
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,839
congregation places annually or

1342
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,160
bianually and they have to pay for it.

1343
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,520
Like I would

1344
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,000
>> I guarantee that we

1345
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,839
>> any like in Northampton all the

1346
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,359
restaurants, all the Smith College

1347
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:12,480
dorms,

1348
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,880
>> all those places they have to do those.

1349
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,440
So, Mike, there's a there's a there's a

1350
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,680
name for it and they paid for it. I

1351
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,200
there's a there's a something there's a code number they do. Chief

1352
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,559
Kenny could tell you like that is

1353
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:27,520
to pay for it. George.

1354
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,400
>> Yeah. Go ahead,

1355
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,200
>> George. Have you seen any other states

1356
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,440
in your research,

1357
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,640
you know, having oversight on,

1358
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,200
you know, after these are built? Are

1359
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,440
there any other states that are going in

1360
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,200
and making sure that they're being run

1361
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:49,030
properly and up to date, etc.?

1362
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,960
» Good question.

1363
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,160
I know that uh Arizona in particular

1364
00:55:54,160 --> 00:56:02,000
after the fatalities there, there were several um fire captains and a lieutenant I think killed and and

1365
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,040
some others severely burned that the

1366
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,920
state did institute more oversight. And

1367
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,079
this may be a question, Brad, for DOER

1368
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,119
in your conversations. Is there any any

1369
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,200
discussion at the state level of regular

1370
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,960
inspections

1371
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,160
um by either DO DOE or the state fire

1372
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,359
marshall?

1373
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:21,760
>> Yeah.

1374
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,440
>> That are required for these facilities.

1375
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,760
I I haven't seen anything about that.

1376
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,200
my my concern is

1377
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,000
>> I would just say my concern is

1378
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,839
we can say that we want them to be run

1379
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:36,799
properly and but who's going to like I'm

1380
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:38,559
not going to go there know what's

1381
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:39,760
>> no no no

1382
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,280
>> there has to be an expert and

1383
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,160
>> there has to be an expert yes

1384
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,200
>> the concept was that there'd be a a

1385
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,599
license a weightly licensing board which

1386
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,520
ultimately came down to being just the

1387
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,319
members of the select board and they

1388
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:55,680
would presumably

1389
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,920
hire or have on retainer somebody to do

1390
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:00,640
this.

1391
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,640
>> Yeah. It seems to me that like the state

1392
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,520
in some ways is pushing these best

1393
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,799
things in the first place.

1394
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:09,359
>> Yeah.

1395
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:10,640
>> They should really be the ones to

1396
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,680
regulate, you know.

1397
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:12,079
>> Yeah.

1398
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:12,559
>> It's

1399
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,640
>> I mean, if they regulate explosives

1400
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,000
going on this,

1401
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,440
>> right? I mean, the the federal

1402
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,200
government regulates the explosives, but

1403
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:19,839
>> Yeah. Okay.

1404
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:21,760
>> But but yeah, you're right.

1405
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,079
Department of Energy. Are they going to

1406
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:27,200
>> I don't know. Step in and host that.

1407
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,710
>> Okay.

1408
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,040
» Yeah, that's good. I just want I'm glad.

1409
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,440
So, we're making progress. Thank you,

1410
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,480
George. Um, and so what I'd like to do

1411
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,920
is move

1412
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,480
>> Yeah.

1413
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,480
>> move on. Uh, you got your homework. So,

1414
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,599
uh, the the next is like topics not

1415
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:53,200
reasonably anticipated. And until I was

1416
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,760
just waiting for you guys to arrive,

1417
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,200
there was nothing. And now there's

1418
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,760
something. So, um, so I'm going to just

1419
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,960
basically read an email that arrived

1420
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,280
minutes before our meeting tonight.

1421
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,960
>> It's a 110 inspection.

1422
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,000
>> A 110 inspection.

1423
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,040
>> A 110.

1424
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,319
>> Okay.

1425
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:14,400
>> Yeah. I mean, mostly my concerns back to

1426
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,359
that thing was just like open-ended

1427
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:21,680
inspections with un known costs. Like if

1428
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,760
I'm a business and I don't know how much

1429
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,200
I might have to pay,

1430
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,400
>> right,

1431
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,400
>> you know, and I don't have any say in

1432
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,920
who's going to do it and their

1433
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,520
expertise. I don't know.

1434
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,200
>> Here's what they say. The Massachusetts

1435
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,599
State Building Code 780 CMR which is our

1436
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,440
building code chapter 1 section 110

1437
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,960
requires that certain commercial use

1438
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,119
buildings or spaces be periodically

1439
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:42,799
inspected and certified by the local

1440
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:44,960
building official. These inspections are

1441
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,559
required intervals from substance to

1442
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,839
table and they do it with the building

1443
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:51,119
inspector and the zoning enforcement

1444
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:52,720
officer. Okay. The building inspector

1445
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,240
and the zoning if they're different and

1446
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:54,960
the fire chief.

1447
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,480
>> Okay. the onetime inspection,

1448
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,559
>> but it's the I'm only was I was only

1449
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:02,160
posing on the fee part, right? When but

1450
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,119
if it's like a standard posted fee

1451
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,920
that's kind of like reasonable business,

1452
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,839
>> the comprehensiveness of it like the fee

1453
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:11,359
to inspect the Wly would be far

1454
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:15,200
different than inspecting a toler.

1455
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:15,839
>> Yeah.

1456
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:18,319
I don't know. Anyway, it was it it

1457
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:19,839
still just bears a little looking into

1458
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:22,319
it. All right. So, here's the email I

1459
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:24,000
got. And I initially freaked and then

1460
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,240
when I rere reread it, okay, that's not

1461
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,440
so bad. So, um,

1462
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,760
good afternoon. My name, and I'll

1463
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,520
circulate this to all of you. I'll do a

1464
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,520
dramatic reading here for the meeting.

1465
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,559
Um, so Gwen, you don't have to like copy

1466
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:42,160
this down. Um, now my name is Michael

1467
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,160
Keilty. I'm a civil engineer with the

1468
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,480
Dennis Group. We are in the process of

1469
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,359
preparing a definitive change for the

1470
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:52,319
construction of a building expansion for

1471
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:56,319
Chang Farms located at 301 River Road

1472
00:59:56,319 --> 00:59:58,559
Weightley. I understand that the town of

1473
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:00,559
Weightley has a presubmission review

1474
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,720
process where we could send in our

1475
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,119
preliminary site plan and other related

1476
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,440
preliminary plans for the project such

1477
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,839
as grading, utility, etc. and obtain

1478
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,000
feedback from the town of Wavely that we

1479
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,319
can use during our detailed design phase

1480
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:17,040
of the project to avoid potential delays

1481
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,599
with our definitive plan submission.

1482
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,680
Would it be possible for our team to

1483
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,079
have an in-person meeting with someone

1484
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,760
from the planning board or the town

1485
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,880
engineer engineer um to present our

1486
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,720
preliminary site plan and discuss

1487
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,359
potential permitting obstacles and the

1488
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:35,440
permitting process so we can obtain a

1489
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,760
better understanding of it and what we

1490
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,400
will need from our team. It would most

1491
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,319
likely be myself attending and a couple

1492
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:44,480
of architects. We're currently planning

1493
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,720
to submit our definitive plan sometime

1494
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,680
in February 2026 and we'll love to

1495
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,839
obtain feedback and discuss the process

1496
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:54,000
and our ideas in person. We were able to

1497
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,480
meet in person with Jim Hawkins, the

1498
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,160
project manager, blah blah blah and talk

1499
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,240
him through it with him. So, he is aware

1500
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,799
of the project as well. Mhm. And I

1501
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:06,559
initially freaked because I saw words

1502
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:10,079
like um preliminary

1503
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:12,640
review and definitive plan which I

1504
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,119
associated with subdivisions.

1505
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:18,079
This does not seem to be a subdivision.

1506
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:22,400
It just seems like uh building expansion

1507
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,280
that could be just a normal site plan

1508
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,760
review. So, I want to clarify that

1509
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,599
because if

1510
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:33,200
I have no experience doing the planning

1511
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,000
board work on subdivision work, so I'm

1512
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,839
hoping that's not it. Okay.

1513
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,720
>> And if it's just a site review then so

1514
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,960
I'm going to give you a heads up that we

1515
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,359
I'll talk to him. Obviously, none none

1516
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:47,119
of us can have an in-person meeting on

1517
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:48,799
these sort of things. So, they've come

1518
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:51,200
to our next I would invite them to come

1519
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,359
to our next meeting, which would

1520
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:55,119
normally be at the end of January, which

1521
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,520
we'll talk about in just a moment. Um,

1522
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,559
unless for some reason they're like, "Oh

1523
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,480
my god, we need to do this much sooner."

1524
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,400
But if they just want a preliminary

1525
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,640
meeting and then we do their we we

1526
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,400
potentially have another discussion in

1527
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,200
February and a site review in March,

1528
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,520
this could all be fine.

1529
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,839
I ask was any of you heard any thing

1530
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:19,760
through your little grape vines about

1531
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,720
any of this? Okay. At one point I've

1532
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,680
heard that

1533
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,160
>> anything from a

1534
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:26,880
last meeting, but

1535
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,200
>> as long as they're landed,

1536
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,480
>> that's what I was just looking up. It's

1537
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,559
301 River Road was the average.

1538
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:34,079
>> 301 River Road.

1539
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:35,280
>> Well, that's silly because it doesn't

1540
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,119
come up on Masser. Um

1541
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:39,839
but I don't

1542
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:42,319
>> even APR, you can still build on it. You

1543
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:43,839
just have to ask it.

1544
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:44,160
>> Yeah.

1545
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,040
Yeah, but they're going to have

1546
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,480
stricter regulations about what like

1547
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,400
they couldn't do, but they just

1548
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,240
>> No, I can build another

1549
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:51,359
>> a new Right. Right.

1550
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:53,440
>> I'm assuming that that's what this is.

1551
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,000
>> Yeah.

1552
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,000
>> I'm guessing they're expanding the It's

1553
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,400
kind of a factory building or package or

1554
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,760
whatever you want to call it.

1555
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,520
>> Like

1556
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,200
I don't know,

1557
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,200
>> sprouts of some kind. There's a name for

1558
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,119
them. Okay.

1559
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,359
>> No, it's a it's a special a very very

1560
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:15,280
like hyper specialized site.

1561
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,880
>> Okay. Okay.

1562
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,400
>> Well, um so I'm going to reach out to

1563
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,119
Jim just to say like are you directing

1564
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:24,799
them to the planning board for a site

1565
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:28,880
review because always in theory all this

1566
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,640
stuff should be at the direction of the

1567
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,160
zoning enforcement officer.

1568
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,520
>> You're right%.

1569
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:38,480
>> So um yeah. So that's that's that was

1570
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,520
the only new thing and then I was going

1571
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,240
to just discuss what I believe is the

1572
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,839
date for our next meeting.

1573
01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:47,839
>> I have nothing to add about the exit 35

1574
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:48,559
committee.

1575
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,359
>> Okay. And apparently Caroline didn't

1576
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:52,960
even know she was now going to be

1577
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,640
heading it up.

1578
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,599
>> Good for her. Um so are on the calendar

1579
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:04,799
are regularly scheduled. I see no reason

1580
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:06,480
to

1581
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,720
have an early meeting in January. I

1582
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:08,960
think

1583
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,920
>> Oh, I wanted to just bring up and I

1584
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,200
should probably I don't know that should

1585
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,799
be part of this, but you've got to come

1586
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:16,480
before the finance committee for our

1587
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,079
budget for the coming year and setting

1588
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:19,839
our budget. Is you think do you have any

1589
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:21,920
comments on that for them here? Because

1590
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,280
I'm on the finance committee.

1591
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,599
>> Yeah, I mean I can I've I've attended

1592
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:29,200
those meetings. If you do I could just

1593
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,480
tell you and you could

1594
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,880
>> No, I'm like what? Just let them know

1595
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,160
what you're presenting what the budget

1596
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,119
is what we are.

1597
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:41,280
>> Yeah. I've submitted my bud. Oh. Oh. To my fellow board members. Yes. Um and

1598
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,680
>> I and that's another Thank you. So, um,

1599
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,920
so I made sure I worked with Gwen to

1600
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,720
make sure we've planned for her support

1601
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,880
because they're basically two buckets,

1602
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,119
which is support from our land use

1603
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,440
assistant and then general expenses

1604
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,160
where I make sure we've got money to pay

1605
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,319
for um, ads in the green field recorder

1606
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:09,039
if we're doing bylaw amendments, which

1607
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:14,799
we will likely do at least twice. And we were good this year where we got we

1608
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:18,400
spent we just used one meeting. We

1609
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,839
didn't have to do multiple public

1610
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:22,480
hearings. And if we're effective and

1611
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,319
efficient that way and we can get

1612
01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:26,559
whatever we're going to do for 2026 done

1613
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:28,720
in one public hearing, we don't. So I've

1614
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,760
got money set aside for Greenfield

1615
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,480
Reporter, which is unavoidable by the

1616
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,400
way. You know, it's like as long as

1617
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,200
state law says public hearings have to

1618
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,799
be advertised. there might be a little

1619
01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:42,480
movement on that that

1620
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,160
>> still hasn't happened but for the moment

1621
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,480
I planned for that and there is a little

1622
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,680
budget for training so I again remind

1623
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,440
you that

1624
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,720
>> I really do encourage I just got a

1625
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,280
training I went to a training webinar

1626
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,920
it's after working hours I went on like

1627
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:03,680
the I learned about the 40B because I'm

1628
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,760
also on the housing committee but

1629
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,599
there's

1630
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,319
you know it would be helpful if more

1631
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:13,440
than one of us had some training in

1632
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,079
things like there's an upcoming workshop

1633
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:17,760
on

1634
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,520
um drafting zoning amendments.

1635
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,160
It's scheduled for Wednesday, January

1636
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,559
14th at 5:30 p.m.

1637
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,039
>> Call us.

1638
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,319
>> Yeah. No, that would be great.

1639
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,480
>> I will do that.

1640
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,200
>> I And then periodically going off the

1641
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:35,680
Zoom.

1642
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:36,079
>> Yes.

1643
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:40,799
>> Um lucky you. I've had two of those. Um,

1644
01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:43,680
uh, it's only we've got budget to it's

1645
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,079
$35 to register. You and then you can't

1646
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:52,160
get reimbursed until after the webinar.

1647
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,760
There's you don't really have to prove

1648
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,280
that you were there and just say you

1649
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,000
were, but and then they pay you a check.

1650
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,920
So, so you you put out your own money,

1651
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:07,520
35 bucks. So, it would be great. uh to

1652
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,640
the more of us know how to like

1653
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,640
>> draft zoning amendments like I would

1654
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,400
think the vice chair at least should

1655
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,640
know about drafting is to try to get

1656
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:19,920
more

1657
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,680
>> um there's another one

1658
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:22,240
>> try

1659
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,359
>> coming up on January 15th

1660
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:27,839
>> about introduction to the subdivision

1661
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:31,200
control law in ANR

1662
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,119
someday we've got to update our

1663
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,000
subdivision control laws because one day

1664
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,440
somebody's going to show up like an

1665
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:38,720
email like that's going to be they're

1666
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,880
going to do a subdivision and I am going

1667
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,400
to soil myself cuz like that's terrain

1668
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,000
incognito right so I think I I may have

1669
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,319
signed up for that but more the marrier and I think those were

1670
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:53,119
>> okay

1671
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,480
>> there were those were like the two and I

1672
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:03,119
would really strongly it's on Zoom you know and then you get

1673
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:05,200
slides afterwards that you can circulate

1674
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,119
to all of us. I wish it were on demand

1675
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:09,520
and you could just pay and watch a video

1676
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,520
at your own time, but anyways.

1677
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,679
>> So that's um so our next

1678
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:21,679
meeting is to occur on Tuesday the 27th

1679
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:25,040
of January starting at 5:30. That's

1680
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:25,759
still

1681
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:26,239
>> Yes.

1682
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:29,520
>> Good for everybody. Yeah. Um I see no

1683
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,719
reason to there's no no other urgent

1684
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:34,560
business that would motivate us to have

1685
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,400
an earlier meeting in the calendar.

1686
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,040
>> Cool.

1687
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,440
>> And so is there anything else that's on

1688
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:45,590
anyone else's mind?

1689
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,040
» Then one of you could feel free to make

1690
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,400
a motion to adjurnn.

1691
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,159
>> I make a motion to adjourn.

1692
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,440
>> Mike moves to adjourn. Does anyone want

1693
01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:00,400
to sign off? So we have Mike and Laura.

1694
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,759
So all in favor of adjourning

1695
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:10,040
and unanimous we are adjourned at 6:43.