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Good morning. I'll call the meeting to
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person and by teleconference and in
accordance with Municipal Government

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Act. Council chambers are open to public
and remote participation is available.

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If the meeting is recessed, callers will
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reconvenes with the exception at noon
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in. This helps with the call quality of
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This meeting is also being recorded and
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disruptive behavior may result in
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Thank you for your cooperation and
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We have an agenda in front of us. Is
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changes?

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Councelor Clayton.
>> Oh, microphone, please.

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» I'd like to add a safety item to the
agenda.

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» Okay.
safety item.

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Is that
open discussion?

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» It will be.
>> Okay, fair enough. Um, any suggestions

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where we want to put that in the new
business

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8.6.

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Is there anything that you would have to
circulate for us so we have some

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information with it or is just verbal?
Okay, perfect. Anything else?

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Motion to adopt as amended.
>> Also move.

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» Thank you. Motion on the floor. We're
using escribe.

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All the question.

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That's carried. Is there any notice of
motion from any counselors?

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Seeing any. We'll move on to bylaw
readings. We have bylaw 2026-15

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municipal public utilities bylaw.
Welcome

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Good morning, council. Jose Podio
Quervo, uh here with administration

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presenting the Redland Water Servicing,
uh bylaw reading. Uh this is a

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continuation of a previous uh council
agenda that we had on August 11th. So,

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I'll just be reading the introduction
and then the rest of the report is um

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content that I've already uh presented.
So, at its uh uh August 11 regular

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council meeting, council passed the
resolution to include a requirement for

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a minimum 50% landowner commitment in
the form of a payment prior to

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construction commencing and to bring the
revised bylaw back to council for

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consideration.
Administration has res uh revised the

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draft municipal public utilities bylaw
accordingly. The revised bylaw attached

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to this report for council's
consideration now includes section

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three, initial redland servicing
threshold within part one of schedule F.

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Section 3 establishes a minimum
threshold of five service connection

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requests before the county may proceed
with construction of the common water

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infrastructure.
This threshold represents 50% of the

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existing developed or partially
developed residential properties within

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the community.
For the purpose of meeting this

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threshold, an eligible service uh
connection request must be submitted in

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a form acceptable to the CAO with the
applicable connection fee paid and

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retained by the county and must not have
been withdrawn, refused, canceled, or

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refunded. While construction would
therefore not proceed until at least

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five qualifying connection requests have
been received, the connection fee

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recommended by administration is based
on achieving full cost recovery of the

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initial infrastructure costs with at
least eight service connections as

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discussed later in this report. The
report presented on August 11 included

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the following components. A draft
municipal public utilities bylaw

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including the addition of schedule F.
proposed amendments to the master

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schedule of fees bylaw, including the
proposed Redland water servicing

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connection fee and a proposed capital
budget adjust uh addition sufficient to

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fund installation of the common uh
redland water servicing infrastructure.

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Because other amendments to the master
schedule fees bylaw are also being

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presented to council at this meeting,
the proposed Redland connection fee will

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be brought forward as part of the
broader bylaw update. If the uh

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utilities bylaw does not receive the
third reading, administration recommends

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that the redland connection fee also not
proceed at this time and instead be

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reconsidered following approval of the
municipal public utilities bylaw.

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Similarly, the proposed capital budget
addition for Redland water servicing

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should only be approved if both
utilities bylaw and the amended master

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schedule fees bylaw, including the
redline connection fee, receive third

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reading. A proposed resolution
respecting the capital budget addition

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is therefore included later in this
report for council's consideration

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subject to approval of both bylaws.
Aside from minor revisions to the report

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in context of the updated information
described above, the rem the remainder

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of this report is substantially the same
as the information presented to council

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on August 11. And that concludes my
presentation and I'm here for any

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questions.
>> Thank you. Council questions. Councelor

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Ker,

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you said Celer Larson. I said Kester.
Okay. Thank you.

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Just want to ask some questions and uh
make sure we're being absolutely fair

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here.
Recently we put it in the water line for

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uh Goldsmith
or CGC.

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We uh engineered it, got a water
license, drilled it, put the pipe in.

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We built it bigger than what CGC wanted
and when CGC was asked to pay for their

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share, they paid for their share and the
county has the rest. We didn't ask them

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for money upfront. We didn't ask them
for anything that I'm aware of. They uh

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they paid it up.
We have rape pairs in Redland asked for

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water. the water's there
and they're being asked to pay upfront.

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We don't have a definite price what it's
going to cost yet because it's not

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built. We have contingency fees in
there. Engineering fee to me seems

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excessive for what it is
and comes in two parts which I think

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could be just one tender.
like you you put the line in the ground,

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you have to put a end on the line. You
can't just leave it lay on the dirt. So

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the the stop connection has to be there

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and then when people want to hook up to
it, they would pay for it and get it

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hooked up.
Uh yeah. Uh fear of everybody not

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hooking up.
I don't think it's Sarah. Name name

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anybody and pick a hamlet that has water
or a town

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who doesn't have water. They that's a
necessity. They only have w don't have

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water if they don't pay for it. And
that's the first thing they do is pay

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off their bill so they get water again.
It's it's it's a thing.

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So why in this case are we being so
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So the total price comes to

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189,000 plus
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plus uh

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4,000 * 10. That's another 40,200.
And there it is, $222,922.50.

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Further on in the application, further
along in the meeting, you see that we

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want each one to pay $27,000
for their water, which is $5,000 more.

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The rationale is being that maybe only
eight will sign up and and the county

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will be out money.
But when they all sign up, the countyy's

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going to have more money.
And to date, I've never seen the county

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charge more for something from our
residents.

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This hamlet's been there since since the
railroad come through before we were a

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county.
It was a stop. It had grain elevators.

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Recently, in the last year since I've
been here, we've had one, two, three new

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houses come in. One is still under
construction. Been a long time under

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construction. Got new owners and
whatnot.

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The second last house built
didn't even drill a well

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because nobody had water.
And the third newest house drilled a

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well but doesn't have good water.
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years ago
it never had much water either. But what

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happened I believe and I'm no geologist.
These wells are only 20 ft deep. They

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hit water. There's a coal seam down
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The water gets sucked out and the gas
comes in and they produce gas.

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So, as the water gets used up, more
people using it, the gas changes,

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plus there's way more gas being drawn
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I know a place to the south, no north,
drilled a new well when he built a new

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house. He's not in the hamlet. Across
the creek, which was a spit difference

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away,
drilled a new well on top of the hill.

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He got water.
Couldn't drink it. Too much whatever is

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in it. You'll have to ask him. I'm not
going to tell you what was in it.

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They ended up
sealing that off of cement.

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Not B night. and Canada sealed it off
with cement. There's a water problem

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there. They don't have water.
Residents that lived around there, they

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put their own water in there.
And I don't know what their exact prices

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were, but they put in a lot more pipe
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And the one guy said he was hoping to do
it for 15,000. I don't know what it cost

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them.
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we've been going at this a long time.
We've had engineer studies coming here.

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They want and engineer had three main
lines. They had water going where I

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didn't even know there was lots
three main lines. It's there's just 10

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houses there. I believe one person moved
out. He got tired of waiting for waters

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and drum.
But somebody be buying. It's not a bad

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house. It's a fairly new one.
We'll sell the water.

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I I I I don't I don't understand why
we're asking. And it's always been since

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the start. They weren't paying for their
water. They were paying for extra.

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When the county wants extra money at CGC
or extra water, the county paid for it.

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These people aren't developers. They're
they're residents.

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When a developer comes in, they'll put
in extra because they hope to sell some

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extra lots.
When we have people come in, we haven't

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had any for a while, but we've have
people come in buy a lot at least.

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They just service their lot. We don't
ask and do the whole street.

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The county doesn't go in and do the
whole street either.

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So, I believe fundamentally
they should be asked to pay what it is,

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not not more, just what it is. The
county go ahead put it in.

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I don't. It's a simple 2-in line being
dug in. I can't see I can't see the need

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for reserves.
Line will last a 100red years. There's

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nothing going in the ground that can rot
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I think this has gone on a long time,
but we talked about it last time when I

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had my objections about the eight units
charging extra for for water. What's the

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county going to do? Oh, it put it in a
reserve.

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I've got water lines buried in my yard
that are older than I am and I'm not

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anticipating and digging them up. And
they've never leaked. And you know what?

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They're they're clamped together with
steel and steel fittings.

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They use heat now to to join pipes
together. There is no steel

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or anything that'll corrode.
So, I I'd like you to really seriously

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think about this.
We uh

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Yeah,
we just charge what it costs. We're not

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here to make money.

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So, as this bylaw is, I'm not in favor
of it. [clears throat]

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We uh treat a developer, yeah, it's
great. They're coming in, they're

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spending lots of money, and they're
going to develop and we're going to have

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taxes, but we've got rateayers here and
people that have lived there for a

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hundred years paying their taxes, and
they've been here, and uh they have to

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pay extra. They have to ask. This is
going on four years at least asking for

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water. County can't come up with
anything. Well, they come up with stuff,

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but it's it's it's not right. And I've
been against it all the time. Just let

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them pay what it costs. That's all I'm
asking. That's all they're asking.

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They're not asking for half price. They
just let us pay for what it costs

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and people will pay for it.

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If they had water and they could drill
for water, they would drill it. There's

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one, two, one, two, three, four, five
people got water off of this line that

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had wells

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all within Well, I can't hear so good.
So, they're they're they're all close

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together, quarter mile together.
And there's one across the other way. On

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the other side, you can't see. And they
haven't asked for water. I don't know

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what their water situation is, but
there's people where the water line

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comes. There's a resident coming down
the hill,

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quarter mile to the south, half a mile
to the south. They got water. They they

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got it. And a half a mile past that, the
hutterite colonies going in. and they're

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concerned if they have enough water.
They got about four dugouts there and

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they're collecting water,
but they're they're uh in their hip pop

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pocket.
They could hook on to the water line and

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uh for drinking water, household water
that that's there, but their wells

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aren't aren't producers. There's no
water in that country. And that

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continues all the way down to past Delum
and into Starland County.

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So I'm just

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that's my feelings.
Just let them pay what it costs.

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Do you have a specific amendment you
want to put on the floor or anything

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like that or
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It's not here. I would put a motion on
the floor that the county

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uh I don't know if this document's been
tendered or if it's just county's

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staff's estimate if they have to tender
it out or if they can just do it.

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I would like to see it
put in the ground.

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We'll come up with a cost and we'll sell
them the water.

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Just I'm just trying to think u how that
would be worded. So you're looking to

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basically proceed with this project
without

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doing any bylaws, anything like that is
what you're looking at.

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When we got water for
CGC, we passed the motion and uh

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there was a whole bunch of engineering
studies done, people looking at the size

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of reservoirs, get water from W. It took
a year or more and come up with the

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idea, put a pipeline in. We had a simple
motion, put a pipeline in, paid for the

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water license.
I know it was a little more complicated

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than that, but we didn't have the water.
There was nothing there. We had to find

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» See, Sher wants to leave to council for
clarification on the Goldfinch raw water

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line. In order for that to proceed,
there was a cost contribution

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commitment. we would have not proceeded
if they didn't pay their proportionate

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share and there was an advance. It
wasn't like we paid everything there

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were and I don't want to get into the
payment schedule but it there was a

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signed agreement that they would pay for
their proportionate share and I think

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Mr. Bulock couldn't clarify I believe
some of the engineering costs that we

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did do there were some that was the
county's responsibilities and some that

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the um developer contributed to as well.
So, we knew upfront they wanted

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clarification as well as to what their
costs would be before the project

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proceeded.
>> Yeah,

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I agree. But they paid their share, not
a a bluent amount.

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» Mr. Bulock,
>> uh yeah, through the chair, um as CEO

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contribution upfront. So, they did pay

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their upfront proportional uh fees. Um
when the project was finished, there was

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a reconciliation of the project costs.
Uh and there was some of that money was

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refunded to CGC ultimately, but of the
total project costs the um CGC paid

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their proportional share of the of the
pipeline they were using. Uh something

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like that model could be used similarly
here. Um the the the last uh framework

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that we um proposed was a cost
contribution agreement with individual

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uh rate or or land owners within
Redland. That would have been the exact

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same format that was used in Goldfinch.
In those agreements, the individuals

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wanting to connect would have paid an
upfront cost in that agreement. If the

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cost came in lower, the county would
refund those rateayers uh the the money.

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if it came in higher then then the land
owners would have to pay more. So, um,

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under that scenario, it was set up very,
very similarly to the Goldfinch, um,

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except in this case, there were multiple
people that would have been, uh,

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connecting. This one with the connection
fees is again a very similar uh,

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framework. Um, except right now there
isn't built in that refund, I think, is

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what you're talking about. If the costs
come in lower, the proposal would be the

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extra funds would go into reserve fund
used towards cap capital cost

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replacement or utility fees or you know
whichever council wanted to uh use those

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funds for. Another option could be um it
would require another resolution um

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could be if the costs come in
substantially lower than what is

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estimated here, a refund could be made
to the individuals who paid those uh

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connection fees if that's what council
wanted to do.

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So Brad, if I was to make a motion that
we go ahead with this and add a

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motion that any excess in
funds be returned

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of some sort. Does that make sense? I
And I don't want just eight people

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paying if there's 10 people there.
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the 189
that's the the cost. But to me that

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looks like the end of the line doesn't
have anything on it. It needs a a valve

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and a curb stop. Then you have another
one on the bottom. Another 4,000.

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I think that's the curb stop. The end of
the line that's got to be put on no

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matter what. So I would include that
that 20 thou 10 there must be 10 of

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them. So it would be 40,000. I would
include that in the 190 for the cost

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and I would is this a tendered out
document or do you have to do it or we

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how how
we going to move forward to get it done?

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Uh so through the chair um in the
connection fee that's um proposed in the

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bylaw um it does include the the the
connection with the curb stop and so it

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is the 189 divided by 8 plus the 4,000
for each for each of the connections. So

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it is included uh right now
>> that's included in the 190.

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» Yeah. Um and then to your other question
uh through the chair uh administration

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would quote or tender this project out
prior to pre per proceeding. So these

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estimates as you know are they are
estimates based on engineering uh the

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costs estimated cost that the
engineering consultant has provided to

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administration.
the project would be tendered out um

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with multiple quotes before
>> I can go for that then I can I would

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support tendering it out

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» putting it in with the curb stops in
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and uh that way if I understand it right
the curb stops got a valve on top of the

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ground and the guy wants water they
apply and you go and you dig it up and

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hook a pipe on the end and stick the
other end in your house and turn the

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valve on. And I know that's a simple way
of doing it, but there's rules to follow

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to doing it, right?
>> Uh through the chair. Yeah, you're

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absolutely correct. Um
>> Okay. I think what we would want to do

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in that situation too when the if
council were to proceed with this and

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individuals were to pay the connections
fees um we would [clears throat]

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probably encourage them to talk to that
contractor who is installing it at the

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time because it may be some cost savings
for them to do the connection at the

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same time. I know we do the
whenever we do work at the WRC is same

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thing. We uh we don't require
engineers to look at the stuff.

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We need a qualified individual to do it.
And I think the counties agreed to that

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and then agreements we have for hookups.
I'm thinking it'd be much the same thing

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when people want to hook up
Redland. If they're doing the

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construction right away, I'm sure most
of them would say, "Hey, let's finish

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this off and whatever it takes." But
that would be on them, not the county

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through the That's correct. That portion
of the project. Yeah. And ultimately

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when it comes to engineering or qual we
just in in even in the agreement with

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the WRC that we've uh discussed is just
really what's required by the acts and

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regulations. That's what the county
requires to be done.

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» Yeah. No, that's a good agreement.
>> Perhaps Oh,

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» before I move it, does before I ramble
it on, does staff want to look at it?

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You know what I want? Do you want to
redo it or do you want me to ramble on

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and make something and and then comes
back in the minutes or what? What would

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be better?
>> You'd have to have a motion to amend

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with some information. Council would
have to vote on before staff would be

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able to do direction.
>> Okay. I'll make a motion then that we

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amend

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this uh bylaw

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that we put it in. If you I'll share
>> the bylaw isn't even forward yet. So

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you'd amend the proposed bylaw with a
specific area that you would want to

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amend and then we'd vote on that
or we could do first reading and then do

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a second on second reading do an
amendment whatever is probably better

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probably better to do the first reading
of the bylaw as it sits. I'm seeing

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nodding of the head and then amendment
can come on second or third.

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» Yes through the read to council. I just
wanted to clarify with Mr. Bullock if

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the bylaw is written such that we could
if it's exceeds the

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189 it covers the cost that the increase
goes up or if it's lower that it's an

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automatically that we could adjust the
amounts if there's any flexibility if

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there's the need to amend the bylaw.
>> Yeah. Through the chair what I might

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recommend at this point is to leave the
bylaw as it is. So, so the the master uh

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the utilities bylaw has some provisions
in it generally for providing water

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servicing to the the Redland community
and the parameters around that. The

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connection fee um is actually going to
come in the next report from um

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[clears throat] from our our finance
manager with the master master schedule

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of fees. Um, what council could do in
this case is if if you're happy with the

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bylaws as they are and the connection
fee and then afterwards perhaps pass

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another resolution directing
administration at some future date once

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the project is tendered. Um, if the
costs come in lower than what the

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connection fee is, bring another report
um, uh, to council and re a mechanism

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for refunding the the additional fees if
if they are in addition to what the

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connection fee is. um because we could
do that after the fact. Um and then the

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bylaws as they are don't need to change.
Um it would just be something you could

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take care of later on once you know the
project costs and the project is

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complete.
>> Makes sense.

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» Councelor Hubs and then uh Deputy
Priest.

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» Uh Glenn, I agree with you. Your CGC
um your CGC thing was dead on. They paid

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upfront their share of it to get it. So
alls we've asked all along and I have

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rate payers that were even when I was on
the campaign trail that were discussing

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it and saying they don't want to
subsidize

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because they have to pay for their own
water and sewer and well and stuff. So

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all they're saying and all we agreed the
last meeting is that we would once we

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got five people which is 50% signed up
it would go forward. Until it does, I'm

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I'm just having till we get those five
signatures because there's quite a

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disparity on what
like you heard there's lots of people

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interested. Our staff have heard maybe
one maybe one. That's what we heard last

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time on camera. So I think in my opinion
I'm just having a tough time supporting

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any of this. A it's off budget and B if
they really want it just pay the

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deposit. CGC did. Thank you.

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Lapric,
>> I was just wondering if we could also um

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so not just if the cost of the project
is less, but say we do get 10 people

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that want to um apply for water, could
we then

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refund those who've paid
could we could we do could we manage it

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so that the people who who are in pay
for the cost of Yeah, I know it's gets

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complicated because then how long do you
Yeah, I'm I'm not sure. I'm just

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» So suggestion would be to once the
project is 100% complete, there'd be a

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reconciliation of funds,
>> what was needed, etc. comes back to a

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council in the future
>> and as a report I think that's what Mr.

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Bulock was saying and that council
whether it be us could be take three

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years for this to happen, it could take
a year,

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» who knows?
>> So then it would come back to that

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council to say the cost was this and we
have this many users. We charged them

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this. Yep.
>> We've got a note.

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» Yeah.
>> I think that's the only way to do it is

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wait till after the project's complete
100%.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.

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» Because you're assuming too many things.
There's a there's a lot of comparisons

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here that are not similar. Um when
you're talking about towns, towns, um

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have a bylaw that says you will hook
onto our services period. Like in

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Strathmore, you can't have a well.
Calgary you can't have a well. Lots of

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urban municipalities are like that. They
so you're not allowed to have both. So

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you have to pay whatever it is to hook
on to it. I've seen places where they've

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had wells for years and they had to go
take uh urban services, municipal

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services I should say. Councelor Kuster.
Uh I don't know if the word apology or

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not, but I lumped all these things into
one. I didn't know how else to do it to

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get my point across. I know CGC paid for
what they had. I also knew a lot of

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money was spent before they give up any
money because all I know is is what I

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hear and hear and I heard they paid up
and that was long after we had worked on

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it. We had

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it's water under the bridge. Anyway,
I'm good with this moving forward.

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I'm Nobody wants a subsidy. They want to
pay the cost. what it is. Previously,

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there's been other

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ways of doing it. Then it was going to
cost the one person over $60,000. They

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had extra land, but they only wanted one
wall. Water.

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That doesn't work in
there's 10 people there want water.

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That's probably all you're ever going to
see in your lifetime.

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So, if we can agree to
cost, however the county staff work it

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out, I'm happy with it. But paying
extra,

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no, [clears throat] just the cost and if
they get county gets too much, we refund

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it because when you go and put this in
the line the way it is now,

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there could be no contingency fee spent.
There's 10% difference right there.

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And I imagine that's all sand there. If
they go too deep, they're going to hit

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coal.
So,

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uh, yeah, I'm confident. And, uh, to get
these guys water. So, with that,

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I'll move first reading.
First reading's on the floor from

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Councelor Kesser. Discussion. Councelor
Hebs.

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[clears throat]
>> Yeah. I mean, I I just from staff. So

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the the cost is at least 189 plus 40,000
more. Correct? It's 222,000,

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right? And we need 50% of the We need
50% of the residents down there. I'm

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just for clarification. We need 50% of
the residents down there to put up a

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deposit before we start. There's no use
tendering it until we get those 50%. In

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my opinion,

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» were you asking a question of staff on
that?

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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I'm reading the reading.
>> Just double checking. Okay.

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» Uh yeah, through the chair. The way the
bylaws are set up right now is for a

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minimum of eight connections. Um the the
connection fee is based on eight

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connections. And then the bylaw reads
that a minimum of five connections would

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need connection uh requests and um uh
connection fees would be paid before the

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county moves forward.
five being um the half of the current

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residential properties that are located
in Redland right now. Um of course if if

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council wanted to adjust either of those
numbers uh they certainly could.

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» Question I have a staff although
[clears throat] the council of the area

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says there won't be any further
development there. My feeling is if

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there's water there that could it's a
cheaper place to buy. There is other

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lots. The main lines that are going in,
are they sized large enough that if

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three more lots come on 10 years down
the road, we're not having put new mains

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in?
And I'm pretty sure it's not, but I'm

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just want to check that answer. It is a
trickle system, so I know it's kind of

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tricky because it's not there's no fire
flows or not, but I'm just thinking

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I see it all the time in the county.
We're getting uh second dwellings on

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acreages lots. We're seeing densities
going up in the county. It makes sense

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at some point down there if it's
cost-ffective and they have utilities

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they will someone will say hey that lot
I I'll sell it to somebody and develop

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it
am I so do we have capacity if the

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00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:32,640
system goes in to add on
>> uh to the chair yes there is capacity to

419
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:36,240
add on um the one of the ways that uh
administration with our engineering

420
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:42,079
consultant was able to uh get the cost
uh down a little bit more on this um is

421
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:47,680
we would use uh similar valve vault to
what C uh um the WRC uses for all of the

422
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,880
single rural connections. Um with a
trickle system though, those val valve

423
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:55,680
vaults, the capacity of them, they can
handle 12 or more connections depending

424
00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:00,720
on the trickle flow. Um and so
additional houses could get added onto

425
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:05,040
the system. Um and then if it even
exceeded that, if Redland expanded even

426
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:08,400
more, uh you could install a second
valve vault to be able to handle the

427
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:13,119
flows. And so there certainly are ways
for it to do it, but it would be under

428
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:19,359
the same trickle system uh to avoid the
extra cost of a central reservoir.

429
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:25,400
» Thank you. Any other questions? Motion's
on the floor for first reading. I'll

430
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,400
call a question.

431
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,800
That's carried

432
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,720
caster.

433
00:36:52,560 --> 00:37:02,079
No. So I don't
I'd like to amend it

434
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:08,680
that uh
based on full recovery of the 10 lots

435
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,680
instead of eight

436
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:20,839
and a minimum threshold of five with a
deposit

437
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,839
not fully paid up

438
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:33,680
unless you know what fully paid up is.
But being that it isn't constructed, we

439
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:37,000
won't know what the total price is until
it's constructed.

440
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,359
Does that make sense?

441
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:55,280
Can we 75% of anticipated price or
something?

442
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,599
» We'd have to see it in a some kind of
way format.

443
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,800
» You have the anticipated price. It's
189,000 plus 40,000.

444
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,040
» Yeah,
>> that's the anticipated price. So I, you

445
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:15,040
know,
>> not out to tender yet.

446
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:20,640
I'm guessing that within whatever the
percentage is going to be, there's now

447
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:26,160
an ability to pay them back if it's too
much. Right.

448
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Right. So, I just,
you know, 75% so that's 15,000 upfront.

449
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:44,880
Um, yeah, through the chair. Um, I think
council could um get it into the bylaw

450
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:50,320
that way, although it's a little bit
unusual for a bylaw setup with a

451
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:56,800
connection fee. Um, I think what council
may want to do is just either either

452
00:38:53,359 --> 00:39:02,640
lower the the cost in the bylaw. The
problem is is if it ends up coming in as

453
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:08,320
more um council will have challenges
collecting that cost. Um what council

454
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:13,440
may want to do is is what's being
proposed is sort of what was under the

455
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:17,040
the previous approach of uh individual
service connections or or cost

456
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:21,520
contribution agreements with each of the
individuals that were connecting. That's

457
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:25,119
what we did last time. Um what council
may want to consider again is just

458
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:36,800
passing a resolution directing council
to later on um uh uh come back to

459
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:40,160
council with a uh report regarding cost
um

460
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:45,040
trying to think of the word uh
reconciliation to those that have paid

461
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:50,240
the uh the connection fees. And then
council can still if if if if the cost

462
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:56,240
did come in lower than what the original
estimate was, council could still refund

463
00:39:52,560 --> 00:40:01,119
that that cost, redo the connection fee
within the master schedule of fees um

464
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,320
bylaw [clears throat] based on the
actual construction costs and and still

465
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:10,880
refund that money. But it'd be yeah to
to kind of try and do a re uh a deposit

466
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,800
now that's less than and then collect
that money later through a bylaw would

467
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,599
be would be quite challenging to
administer.

468
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:22,240
» Thank you.
>> Go ahead.

469
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:28,960
» Um I just have a comment. I know that um
that wells cost between anywhere from

470
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:34,800
$30 to $60,000 to put in a new well. So
with that I I'm okay with the price. I

471
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:41,040
just have a question. Um, this probably
won't be going for uh forward this fall,

472
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:47,359
would it? Or would it be spring? When
are you thinking of being able to

473
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:53,440
put it in
>> through the chair? It is unlikely this

474
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:56,400
fall. Um, but it would all hinge on
>> when the connection fees, when the

475
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,880
request came in. to me when you give
them that price they have, you know, a

476
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:07,280
few months to get
probably six maybe even more months to

477
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:11,200
get that uh that funds gathered up. So,
I'm okay with how it is.

478
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:16,000
» Bars and then councelor Ker
>> through the reef to council to address

479
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:20,079
councelor's um caster motion to amend
the bylaw um because we're on that

480
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:26,000
debate. I just want to for
clarification, you were asking to lower

481
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:31,200
the threshold of the five to
less commitment and then the other was a

482
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:36,560
deposit instead of the full amount.
I'm just looking on page four,

483
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:41,359
second paragraph
says would not proceed until at least

484
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:46,560
five qualifying connection requests have
been received. The connection fee

485
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:52,560
recommended by administration is based
on achieving full recovery of the

486
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:56,040
initial infra cost with at least eight
service connections.

487
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:09,520
Now that paragraph is in reference to
another motion

488
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,440
haven't got
it has nothing in there about paying or

489
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:20,839
anything.
Right. So I I don't know what I see that

490
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,839
in there.

491
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,079
I don't agree with the concept,

492
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,400
but that doesn't mention what it is in
full.

493
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,119
It's a combination of of the three
different things.

494
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:44,000
But if
>> I agree, we want five qualifying

495
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:49,520
connection requests been received. Great
with that.

496
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:54,839
Uh full recovery instead of the eight. I
would put 10 in there if that has to be

497
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,839
in there.

498
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:02,839
It's going to happen at some time.
These people are hauling water.

499
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:12,560
Councelor Beer. Thanks.
I just uh if you go and read on to the

500
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:17,119
schedules, that's just a summary on page
four. If you read the actual bylaws, it

501
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:22,480
lists them in there that it's saying
that it's the five. It does say the

502
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:29,040
eight. And then it says um it's not a
deposit, it is uh recovery.

503
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:37,119
But what they're saying is that if it
does come in less, we can re um bring it

504
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:42,079
back and and re uh re rebate those
people that paid more.

505
00:43:40,685 --> 00:43:46,800
[clears throat]
>> So if we amend it now, I I can't see

506
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:54,480
amending it now.
We still don't know the price. Councelor

507
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:58,370
HS um
I mean I'd like to get those people

508
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:02,160
water too. I just you know
[clears throat] but um

509
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:06,400
I like and I was going to mention
Donna's point about a well costing 30 to

510
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:10,815
60,000. You can spend that kind of money
and not get water as we all know. So

511
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,680
they're actually for their
[clears throat] money up front, they're

512
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:19,119
going to get usable water within a short
period of time of them getting they know

513
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,880
they're going to get water like as you
you mentioned yourself the gentleman

514
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:27,680
across the drilled the well and then
filled it in with bent night or

515
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:31,839
whatever, right? So I I I just think
that you need to have full commitment

516
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:36,800
that they're serious about wanting it
rather than I I think that's just so

517
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:41,119
easy then it's just it's just clear and
concise. Thank you. I don't I don't have

518
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:50,560
a problem with the commitment part at
all. It's the price. I want it for them

519
00:44:46,240 --> 00:45:00,720
to pay it at cost. I don't want the
county to have a an extra fund of money.

520
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:05,839
If if they pay too much, it should be
returned to them. And if five years down

521
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:10,160
the road somebody comes along and they
put in another house and want a

522
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:15,839
connection fee,
I leave that up for another council.

523
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:22,000
These guys are putting up
full cost for the full line.

524
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:26,880
There are ways of giving them money
back, but I don't want to go down to

525
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:31,760
there. There's timelines
and and stuff for that, too. I think

526
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:36,560
that would just be the counties for my
point, but that would be a different

527
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,880
decision for a different council.
>> CEO bar [clears throat] through the reef

528
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,920
to council. You have a couple options
here.

529
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:47,839
» Thank you.
>> Is that um with the motion to make those

530
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:53,520
amendments um if that passes then we
would request that council then just

531
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:58,079
leave it with that resolution after
having given first reading. allow us to

532
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,839
to bring it back to the now next council
because it's not within the report that

533
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:06,880
we need to redline us to make sure it's
captured in the bylaw correctly with

534
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,880
what um councelor Kester would like to
see. And so we would bring it back if

535
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:14,960
that passes that you would like to see
those types of amendments reflected in

536
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:21,599
the bylaw. If not, then it would proceed
as is. As far as what what um Mr. Bulock

537
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,440
had said that we would capture that in
the master fee schedule and come back if

538
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:30,480
it's overpaid for the refund. We would
make sure individuals were compensated

539
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:38,040
if they overpaid.
>> Perfect. I agree with that.

540
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,040
So, is there a motion on the floor?

541
00:46:38,847 --> 00:46:42,079
[laughter]
>> I just don't see it up here, but I don't

542
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:48,040
need some wording
>> know how to encompass it because it's in

543
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,040
three different things.

544
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,040
Well, I if there's a mo the reason that
if there's a going to be a motion, we

545
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,960
have to vote on that before we do
anything else. Go ahead.

546
00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:03,599
» Could we though not pass all all of
these motions and then just have a

547
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:08,240
motion following saying that C council
directs administration to bring back a

548
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:13,520
reconciliation of the costs and costs
per user and our council can decide at

549
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:15,920
that point whether any rebates are
warranted.

550
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:21,280
» That would be far easier. Yes. Could we
not do it that way just for

551
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:26,000
» through the reef to council? That's that
works as long as council ker because he

552
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:30,079
mentioned a deposit not full payment and
that was be that was the only other

553
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:35,720
motion that I had that you were looking
to amend was a deposit rather than full

554
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,720
payment.

555
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:45,200
Councelor Lis.
>> I think we have to proceed the way

556
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:52,480
councelor Kester wanted because right in
the bylaw it says that um

557
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:56,880
Redland Utility Services Reserve Fund is
where the surplus revenues will be

558
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:02,400
placed.
So the bylaw as it reads doesn't

559
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:05,363
steward to what councelor Ktor is asking
for. [clears throat]

560
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:14,240
else he think rather than pass these
three we should just go back and get

561
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:18,720
exactly what we want and then decide
because I don't you know when you think

562
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:23,040
of what well costs are and this and that
I'm not comfortable with a percentage I

563
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:27,920
think it should be full up so maybe it
just goes back because we we can pass

564
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:32,559
all these but then we got to redo
another bylaw to get to the next step

565
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,280
anyhow
>> I'm just going to say something I'm

566
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,400
really frustrated with this I've been
doing this for a year and a half at

567
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:42,960
least on this. We've looked at this four
times at least. We come to this, we seem

568
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:46,000
to understand it, comes to actually make
a decision and it falls apart. You know

569
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:50,079
who hurts on this is the people that
live there. If they truly want it,

570
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:54,800
they'll sign up for it and we can
reconcile after. Having a reserve fund

571
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:58,720
isn't a bad thing. Things are going to
break. We know that. It's we're we're

572
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,839
going through asset management through
the whole county. We know that we things

573
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,079
break. You may say it's not going to
break for 100 years. It could break

574
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:11,040
tomorrow. Products and services that you
buy now are crap compared to what they

575
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:16,240
were 50 years ago. So that's the reality
of it. So if this dies here, I don't

576
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:20,720
want to see it again.
I'm tired of this. It's gone around and

577
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,319
around and around and we're not getting
anywhere. And the people that actually

578
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:29,040
need it are being pulled in different
directions. Councelor Ker,

579
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:32,319
» I want this thing to go through. If
we're agreement that they're going to

580
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:38,640
pay cost,
I'm everybody's 100% with that. This is

581
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:43,920
the first time they got a good chance of
paying cost.

582
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:47,760
If you want a full 100% deposit,
remember that when everything else comes

583
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:52,720
down in the county that we had to charge
these people their 100% deposit, buying,

584
00:49:50,800 --> 00:50:01,440
I'm just trying to be fair and other
things we've done. I am okay with this.

585
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:07,839
I don't know if Redland needs a reserve
of 50 or $100,000, half of the value of

586
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:11,720
that pipeline
for what it is.

587
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,200
Let them pay cost.

588
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:23,960
That's all I'm asking. [clears throat]
If we can agree to cost, I'm fine.

589
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,760
Councelor Clayton and Councelor Hubs

590
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:36,559
» not being involved in it for six and a
half years or whatever, but Redland

591
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:41,520
sounds like they need the water. It
sounds like they have no ability to

592
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:46,880
drill for water.
If the county wants Redland to even

593
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:53,680
exist
and the rate payers are requiring water

594
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:58,000
to be supported,
we've got to figure out a way to move

595
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:04,400
ahead with it right right now. I don't
think that's should be taken off the

596
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:10,480
books today for a future vote.
I think we should be able to come to an

597
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:17,040
agreement that they pay full cost
based on

598
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:23,599
future tendered
engineering cost.

599
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:29,440
And I'm not sure if that is something
that takes six months or whether it's a

600
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:35,119
a twomonth time period before you get
that.

601
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:41,359
But, uh, I think they should pay,
uh, an agreed cost upfront and carry on.

602
00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:45,760
[clears throat]
I'll just point out like I don't I I

603
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:51,040
just don't see the rush. There's people
all over the county that are hauling

604
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:54,800
water just like Redlands is. There's I
think there's a fair amount of homes

605
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,880
southeast of Standard that are hauling
water to Sistns, right? I'm positive of

606
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:03,920
that. Right. We have a water treatment.
So, I don't I don't think there I think

607
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:09,119
we need to make sure that we got our our
50% commitment and that they're paying

608
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:13,440
full cost and then after that it goes
forward. Any sooner than that, I think

609
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:19,680
we're I think we're doing a disservice
to the people that that are paying the

610
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:24,160
full freight. Mr. Bulock,
>> um yeah, if council wants to to hear

611
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:28,480
through the chair, um we did do up a a
resolution that council could consider

612
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:34,160
as part of this whole process. And so
what this would be would be passing uh

613
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:37,599
both bylaws as they are or if council
wanted to adjust uh one of those two

614
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:41,520
numbers, one or both of those two
numbers that we're discussing and then

615
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:48,079
afterwards pass a resolution essentially
directing administration to come back to

616
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:52,319
council and present a a potential cost
uh reconciliation framework. So I can

617
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,359
read that out if council wants to hear
it.

618
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:59,520
» Please do. Um, so this says that council
direct administration to bring back a

619
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:03,520
report following completion of the
initial construction phase of the

620
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,599
Redland water servicing project to
present options for potential cost

621
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:12,400
reconciliation for land owners who paid
the initial connection fee should actual

622
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:18,559
project cost be lower than the original
per connection per connection estimate.

623
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:22,800
And that uh is a standing resolution now
uh for council and for administration to

624
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:27,520
bring this back to council afterwards.
and potentially explore cost uh

625
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:33,200
reconciliation with those land owners if
those costs are in fact lower than what

626
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:40,559
was originally estimated per connection.
>> Thank you. I'll withdraw my motion.

627
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:45,599
» Thank you. So then we could proceed with
the the all the readings of this bylaw

628
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,640
do that motion in between there and then
we go into the schedule fees.

629
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,920
» Yes. through the chair and I just make
that point that that the next report

630
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,559
will have the actual schedule of fees
with the connection fees. This one

631
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:04,079
manages the provisions for uh the actual
water servicing um and and it also sets

632
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:08,240
the minimum number of connections uh
before uh administration would proceed

633
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:11,520
with the with the construction project.
So that's what this bylaw does. The

634
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:18,880
connection fee will come in the in the
next report

635
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:23,280
» CEO bars and then councelor bigger
>> through the reef to council. It was just

636
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:28,720
that Mr. Sheen when he does the master
fee schedules will address the reserves

637
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:31,680
so that it gives um some peace of mind
as to what we'll do with the reserves

638
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:38,240
and put it in a special place for
reconciliation at a later later date.

639
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:43,920
» Thank you.
With that, I'd like to move C that that

640
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:47,440
council approves second reading of bylaw
2026-15.

641
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:53,640
» Thank you. Motion on the floor. Any
further discussion?

642
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,640
» I'll call a question.

643
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:14,880
Just waiting for the vote to come in.
That's carried. Councelor Clayton.

644
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:20,480
» I move that council grant permission to
hold third and final reading of bylaw

645
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:24,000
2026-15.
>> Thank you. A motion on the floor. This

646
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:29,119
has to have unanimous unanimous support
to continue. Go ahead. through the re

647
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,880
just for clarity too that um this one
has to go through or it affects the

648
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,559
master fee schedule bylaw as well.
>> So if we don't do third reading of this,

649
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:40,800
we can't go on a master schedule. So
that's just something else for council

650
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:43,280
to be aware of. Um any further
discussion before I call a question

651
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,559
Corey,
>> it's it's just that one part. Excuse me.

652
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:53,040
It's the one part that is the redland
part of the bylaw is affected.

653
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:56,960
» Okay. Yeah. Through the chair. So, uh,
just on the next bylaw, council will

654
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:01,799
probably have to amend that one. Fair
enough. Council's aware of what's going

655
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:01,799
on.

656
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,559
I will call a question.

657
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,920
Has

658
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:32,359
anybody seen our 10 o'clock appointment?
Is he coming in online or do we know our

659
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:32,359
10:00 appointment?

660
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:37,240
Okay, I haven't seen him yet. Okay.

661
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:44,599
Still voting.
Okay.

662
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:03,880
That's carried unanimously.
Council's wishes.

663
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:11,359
» I'll move that council approves third
and final reading of bylaw 2026-15.

664
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:17,000
» Thank you. Motion on the floor. Any
discussion for third and final? or call

665
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,000
a question

666
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:32,319
and that's carried. There was an
additional motion attached at the bottom

667
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:38,520
on number five in your screen in front
of you that was kind of developed from

668
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,520
discussion on here.

669
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:47,040
Someone wants to make that motion.
Mr. Clayton

670
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,640
» move that council direct administration
to bring back a report following

671
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:55,119
completion of the initial construction
phase of the Redland water servicing

672
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:59,119
project to present options for potential
cost reconciliation

673
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:03,440
for land owners who paid the initial
connection fee should actual project

674
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:10,160
cost be lower than the original per
connection estimate

675
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:15,839
hubs. Um, the way I read the motion is
it's report following completion of the

676
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:21,760
initial construction phase. I thought we
weren't going to do any construction

677
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:26,319
until we get the five deposits
through the chair. That's correct. So,

678
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:31,280
this report wouldn't come back um unless
that initial connection fee phase

679
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:36,000
happened and unless the the actual cost
came in lower than the original

680
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,119
estimate. [snorts]
I'd support this if it didn't have the

681
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:44,240
word initial in there because the
construction phase like what is initial

682
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:47,839
is that the first meeting and you know
they come across and they start putting

683
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:53,880
stuff in and they come across a buried
car or something you know who knows or

684
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,880
environmental cleanup or

685
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:03,760
yeah
okay

686
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,160
up the thing and they got it hooked up.
>> Yeah.

687
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:13,119
comes in.
>> It's come back to council anyway. So,

688
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:17,680
» it's the done deal.
>> It's come back to council anyway. So,

689
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:21,200
oh, never mind. Any further discussion?
Motions on the floor by councelor

690
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:24,599
Clayton.
All the question

691
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:44,240
that's carried.
Move on to since our 10:00 I don't see

692
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:47,599
it here. Nothing. Okay. Uh bylaw 2026-17
mascus schedule fees bylaw. This

693
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:54,400
dovetales into what we've been talking
about. This now shows the

694
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:57,760
actual fees.
Morning council. Joel from

695
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:05,640
administration here to present your next
agenda item. I believe it was on page

696
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,640
503.

697
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:19,079
Okay.
Apologies

698
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:27,119
for that.
So I'll just start with the the last

699
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:32,079
item on the table here uh since it kind
of fits in with the prior discussion

700
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:37,520
point. Uh so as you can see the water
service connection fee for Redland the

701
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:43,520
amount there for the 27,659
based on uh the bylaw uh discussion in

702
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:50,079
the prior um prior discussion.
And just to kind of go back to the

703
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:55,280
reserves concept. So, uh, council has a
reserves policy. And so, each each

704
01:00:53,200 --> 01:01:00,880
reserve, uh, council has the ability
when we amend that policy to, uh, update

705
01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:07,040
for this Redland reserve. Uh, the
purpose and, uh, the description for

706
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:11,119
each specific reserve can be, uh, chosen
by council and amended. So council would

707
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:15,520
have the ability uh at the time of the
creation of the reserve to specify the

708
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:20,480
purpose whether it's for strictly for
asset renewal or uh an initial

709
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:24,640
reconciliation purpose for repayment. Um
there's a there's some flexibility with

710
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:28,559
uh when we do the reserves policy itself
and bring that to council. So just to

711
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,640
give uh council some information on
that.

712
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:36,799
Uh in terms of the other items here uh
they're all uh essentially housekeeping

713
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:42,240
items. They're they relate to the
committee the whole meeting. um that was

714
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:47,920
in August and uh so just to kind of
quickly go through them,

715
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:53,440
the first two were uh fee amendments,
administration fees. Uh the curb stop on

716
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:57,599
and off fee uh was a proposed increase.
uh when we worked with uh kind of

717
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:02,079
looking at the cost with our contractor
of uh how much it cost the Wheatland

718
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:06,400
County to go turn off those curb stops
and turn them on again. Uh this was kind

719
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:11,200
of the full cost recovery approach as
opposed to the $50.

720
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:16,799
Uh and then the second one there uh
dropping from the 3% to 2% uh for in

721
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:21,599
terms of the monthly penalty on a rears
balances. Again, that just puts us in

722
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:24,799
line with a lot of other local community
averages.

723
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:30,319
And then there's just some housekeeping
wording changes in there in terms of our

724
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:34,400
our banners and changing it to um the
water and wastewater services. Uh just

725
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:38,400
ensuring for clarity that all of the
fixed fees, the flat rates, capital

726
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:44,640
levies that they're all payable uh even
when there's no uh per cubic usage on a

727
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:49,359
given billing cycle.
And then uh again just an administrative

728
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:53,040
change with the uh the plumbing
administration fees here in the middle

729
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:57,760
section. uh just providing some clarity
on the the billing approach itself. Um

730
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:03,799
so that concludes my presentation. I'm
available for any questions.

731
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,799
» Thank you. Any questions,

732
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,319
councelor Ker?

733
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,839
» The connection fee of 27,000

734
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,079
adept

735
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:29,880
I'm I'm at a loss. I want them to pay
what it costs.

736
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:37,680
So that
when 10 of them build it and this is not

737
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:41,720
going to cost $270,000
to put this in.

738
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:50,240
We'll be the laughing stock. Like we've
got quotes for 80,000.

739
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:55,760
So, what can we do with this? It just re
rely on that motion that Brad made and

740
01:03:52,880 --> 01:04:03,720
and a and next council meeting when it's
all done, council makes an adjustment.

741
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,720
Would that be fair?

742
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,680
Find the upfront cost is

743
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:18,480
if I was a land owner,
I know what I would think of the county.

744
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:28,960
And I don't want to hold them to it. I
think the 27,000 is eight people out of

745
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:35,024
the 10.
If we go to the 10, it's 22,000

746
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,044
and change.
[clears throat]

747
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:47,760
» Councelor Bigger and I counc
uh uh why would you feel that they'd be

748
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,760
questioning us?

749
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:56,880
It's almost it's a lot more than what
their neighbors cost to put water in.

750
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,960
They know what the other water costs.
>> But

751
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:04,000
» yeah,
>> I mean I I I know when we put our well

752
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:08,079
in it was $30,000. That was 20 years.
>> Just go the well. It was less than

753
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:11,280
$10,000.
No, see it.

754
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:15,760
» You don't know how far you have to go
down. Like I had we had to go to far

755
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:20,480
ways but it is very expensive now.
>> Yeah. The wells aren't like I just

756
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:23,680
drilled one.
>> That's

757
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:28,799
» you must add a subsidy.
>> If you wanted to lay stay at the 27 and

758
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:33,440
we can have just laughter. I I'll be
good with that.

759
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:38,160
» Els
don't like I don't think we would be

760
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:41,680
considered the laughingstock. the people
that moved out there knew what the water

761
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:46,880
situation was the day they moved there.
Like why would that's their choice. Like

762
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:51,200
you know if you're going to, you know,
we looked at buying an acreage for a son

763
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:56,245
and the first thing we did is what was a
well test, right? Like the very first

764
01:05:52,720 --> 01:06:02,079
thing we did. So I I don't think that
[snorts] shaming people who have

765
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:06,480
questions about it is healthy. It's like
it just doesn't seem like

766
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:12,160
I I know for sure there's people I have
rateayers and in not just my area that

767
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:16,160
don't want to subsidize it. So I like
the 27,000.

768
01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:20,240
» There's um some costs involved there
that are higher than normal because it

769
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,839
has to be engineered as per the
regulations. It has to be checked. It

770
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:27,200
has to be flushed. It has to be
chlorinated because there's more than

771
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:32,480
one user on there. We've been told this
before. Um and that doesn't come that

772
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:38,079
comes at a cost and that is something we
have to do. If it's a one hookup it's a

773
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:42,799
different thing which WRC does and um
they can have supervisors different

774
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:47,599
levels of supervisors. Good morning sir.
Um come in but uh that's where the

775
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:52,720
difference is
and the size and having some

776
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:57,880
capabilities in there. So, we're looking
for the master schedule fees bylaw for

777
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,880
first reading.

778
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,400
» I'll move that council approves first
reading of master schedule of fees bylaw

779
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:07,440
2026-17.
>> Thank you. Motion on the floor. Any

780
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,760
discussion?
All question.

781
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:39,520
That's carried. Councelor Clayton,
>> just a a question maybe to

782
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:44,640
administration, but
if there's been wells drilled in that

783
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:50,000
area recently,
there should be a cost uh that we can

784
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:56,799
actually find out
uh to establish the number that uh

785
01:07:53,200 --> 01:08:02,960
that's in uh in this fee schedule.
27,000. I know I've drilled wells for

786
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:07,680
depends on the depth of how far you go
just how much it's going to cost.

787
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:12,799
So if there is some wells that are
drilled in an area to get a current cost

788
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:17,720
estimate I think that would be maybe one
that you could use. Thank you

789
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:25,839
» Ker.
For me

790
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:31,040
there's water there and it's not a well.
They're not wanting a well.

791
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:38,400
I don't think you'll drill a well and
get water. It's in a coal mine.

792
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:42,960
A good thought, but
I don't think we want to compare it to

793
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:49,120
wells. We don't want to compare it to to
50 or 60,000 it costs over the hill.

794
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:55,359
This is what it costs here. The water
lines there. What's it cost to put a

795
01:08:52,159 --> 01:09:02,640
pipe in the ground and hook it up and
leave it go at that? We're we're we're

796
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:06,640
not bar shopping here.
>> Thanks for the thought, though.

797
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:11,520
» Yeah. No, it's just a curious question
in my head because uh if there was an

798
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:16,719
answer, I wouldn't mind hearing it.
That's all. Thank you. Just for a little

799
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:24,880
history, Rosebud went through the same
thing years ago, 30 years ago,

800
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:30,319
they drilled three wells to get water.
They drilled a mile and a half away up

801
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:34,080
in the hills up on top of the hill.
There's three wells up there the county

802
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:40,000
own now. And that's where they got their
water from. There was no water in

803
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:46,640
Rosebud in that valley. And they went
through the same thing. This water well

804
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:51,759
that got cemented in was drilled on top
of the hill

805
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:58,640
and uh was no good.
So it's a bad place for water. It's hit

806
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:06,960
paper. People have sued in Canada for
it. It's got a long, long history. And

807
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:09,280
believe me, there's no water there.
>> That answer the question. There's no

808
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:15,199
wells.
>> Yeah. There's no wells. Yeah.

809
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:20,400
Looking for second reading. Anyone want
to put it on the table?

810
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:28,480
Councelor Clayton.
>> I move that council approve second

811
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:35,320
reading of bylaw 2026-17.
>> Thank you. Motion's on the floor. Any

812
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:35,320
discussion? I will call a question.

813
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:52,320
That's carried.
I'll move for permission. Councelor

814
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:55,440
Caster motion to grant permission to
hold third and final reading. Motion on

815
01:10:54,159 --> 01:11:01,880
the floor. This again has to have
unanimous unanimous support to continue.

816
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,880
I'll call a question.

817
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:18,760
That's carried unanimously.

818
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:28,000
» We'll move uh third and final reading
2026-17.

819
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:34,159
» Thank you. Motion's on the floor. Any
discussion on the final?

820
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,159
I'll call a question.

821
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:47,199
That's carried. Thank you, councel. Um,
we have a 10:00 appointment. RCMP

822
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:53,560
representative from Drumhower
Detachment, Christian Lafleur,

823
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,560
Detachment Commander.

824
01:11:53,920 --> 01:12:00,159
Good morning.
>> Good morning. My apologies for being

825
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,159
late. I was hit with a HR issue I had to
deal with as I was

826
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:06,440
» all right. We were getting through some
stuff. It worked out fine.

827
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,440
» Awesome.

828
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:15,040
» Um,
so the biggest news in the letter is

829
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:19,280
we're switching our vehicles from what
you see now, the Hall vehicle to the

830
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:23,280
black and white. I don't anticipate,
well, I'm hoping to get one soon cuz one

831
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:28,640
of my vehicle is mileing out pretty
quick and it's kind of a lemon. However,

832
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:33,040
I was told that probably not this year.
So, but they look sharp from what I'm

833
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,280
told in the pictures I've seen. So,
hopefully soon.

834
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:39,199
» You're going from just the white to
black and white version.

835
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:43,920
» They'll be black and white. So, the main
the main doors, if you want, will be u

836
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:49,040
white. The rest will be black.
>> So, similar to CPS.

837
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:53,040
» Yeah, we're going back to I'm just
thankful that we didn't go back to the

838
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:55,440
old blue and white cuz those were ugly.
>> Yes, they were.

839
01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:00,400
» Yes.
So, it looks it should look sharp. The

840
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:05,040
other thing that's not on there uh it'll
be covered on the next uh quarterly

841
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:11,679
report, but we're also starting the
switch over to new guns, the Glock 45.

842
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:17,360
So, I have one guy already that's uh
been trained on it. He's a trainer. As

843
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:21,760
we progress, you're going to you're
going to see people switching from the

844
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:26,560
Smith and Wesson to the Glock. that
comes with red dot the optics as well as

845
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:31,679
a integrated flashlight.
So hopefully nobody's dumb enough to do

846
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:37,320
a traffic stop and needing the
flashlight as other police force have

847
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,320
done.

848
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:48,640
Uh moving on to the priorities, the
first priority being the road safety.

849
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:56,560
We've uh emphasized that since I took
over. We've issued 395 traffic tickets.

850
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:03,840
Uh in addition to the those tickets, 26
warnings were issued. Uh 213 of those

851
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:07,920
were speeding tickets.
Um

852
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:14,320
um once well once monthly I'm going to
switch to uh twice monthly soon. We're

853
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:17,679
doing overtime traffic shift. So, I'm
paying somebody to come in on overtime

854
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:22,880
with
basically the duties of just

855
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:28,239
track speeders and issue traffic
tickets. There's a threshold that uh

856
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:34,480
they have to meet. So, for me to bring
in a constable and overtime it cost me

857
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:39,760
about roughly $100 an hour. I want them
to exceed that uh once after the

858
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:46,400
revenues are going back to municipality.
So, for example, if you're costing me

859
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:52,320
500, I expect $1,000 in tickets to make
up for the city or the the county's

860
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:56,640
paying for your overtime shift. So, each
shift is paying for itself, but it has a

861
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:01,199
big impact because we're getting a lot
of speeders

862
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:07,040
amongst other things. In these three
overtime shifts, we generated about

863
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:14,239
$10,000 in fines. Again, we're not doing
it as a revenue generator, but I want

864
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:17,920
the offset, which is important to me so
you guys don't get uh ripped off. Well,

865
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:24,800
not ripped off, but you know what I'm
saying. It doesn't cost you extra money.

866
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:32,000
We did uh three checks stop operations
including roving and stationary setup

867
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:37,360
ones and that was with our partners like
the county peace officers, the sheriffs

868
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:42,520
and so on. We also did two additional
ones just the drum RCMP.

869
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:52,800
Um we did um we're I mean we're trying
to get three impaireds minimum a month.

870
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:59,440
Obviously that's not up to us. That's up
to the people making bad decisions.

871
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:05,600
Uh so in this last quarter we did the
10.

872
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:10,360
So so far in this um priority every goal
has been met and surpassed

873
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:20,480
priority number two which is crime
reduction through drugs.

874
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:26,480
Uh we did 43 search warrant and general
enforcement in regards to drugs.

875
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:32,640
Uh we currently have several drug
investigation on a go which obviously I

876
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:36,880
can't get into but we're hoping that uh
they're going to be successful. One

877
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:41,760
operation led to one of our
better known drug dealer for lack of a

878
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:47,280
better term being arrested.
So we were successful in disrupting some

879
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:52,000
of the drug operation. We've also seized
uh quite a significant amount of drugs

880
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:56,800
that was supposed to go into the the pen
in drum elder.

881
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:59,760
Fortunately, we're not allowed to shoot
drones out of the sky or we're not

882
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:07,600
allowed to interfere with drones
whatsoever. So, that's the issue.

883
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:13,840
» Yeah, we looked at uh I sent two of my
drug investigators to a conference in

884
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:18,640
Toronto a few months back. I was hoping
to get some information on what can we

885
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:24,000
do, what technologies out there because
there's some pretty cool stuff out

886
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:30,159
there. Um, one of them is a anti- drone
drone so that you target the drone, it

887
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:35,920
goes and destroys it and comes back. Uh,
the other one was a um setting up a zone

888
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:40,560
around the pen that would kill the
signal because they're pre-programmed or

889
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:44,239
they're controlled by somebody. Uh, and
the other thing was there's a few other

890
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:49,040
things and I was told absolutely not.
Uh, if the drone falls out of the sky

891
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:54,880
and hurts somebody, we're liable. I'm
like, okay. Uh, signal blocking. Well,

892
01:17:52,719 --> 01:18:00,880
somebody has a pacemaker.
Like, okay, well, that's valid.

893
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:05,760
Uh, another one was a um that one I like
really because it was cool was it's kind

894
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:11,040
of a it's not a rifle, but it kind of
is. and it shoots this thing like a big

895
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:16,320
net that will envelope the the drone and
bring it down. Again, if somebody gets

896
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:19,760
hurt, we'll liable. So, unfortunately,
there's nothing we can do at this point.

897
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:25,960
They won't let us do anything cool or
fun or

898
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,960
anything. So

899
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:34,640
uh we did 23 drug trafficking and
possession arrest and we have uh we

900
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:41,440
completed 20 investigation into the drug
smuggling into the the pen. We get those

901
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:46,000
in a pen every second day unfortunately.
So pretty common.

902
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:51,040
This priority is well on its way to be
surpassed. Um

903
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:55,840
my plane close section is consisting of
two people right now. I have three. I

904
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:59,920
have a member from Brooks who I'm trying
really hard to keep. Uh Brook's not

905
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:06,960
happy with me, but I'm trying to keep
him. Um, he's a go-getter and I have a

906
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:12,400
Cracker Jackack team right now, so I'm
happy with that. It doesn't cost DS

907
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:15,120
attachment anything. Brooks is paying
for his salary. He's paying for

908
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,719
everything. So, that's why I'd like to
keep him and keep it that way.

909
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:22,640
» That's why.
>> That's exactly. And they can't replace

910
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:27,239
him while he's with me. So,
their loss is basically our gain.

911
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:34,159
So as a result of having an extra
investigators, we can take on more

912
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:38,239
files. So which is working nicely right
now.

913
01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:42,080
Part of the their duties is obviously
they're all exper the these three people

914
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:47,120
are experienced investigators.
I'm getting them to man the rest of the

915
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:51,800
junior constables or investigators in
drug files and a few other things as

916
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,800
well.

917
01:19:51,840 --> 01:20:01,400
Uh in this quarter we seize just under
$3 million worth of drugs off the

918
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,400
street. So

919
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:09,040
did you want me to prior number three is
visibility engagement community

920
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:15,600
relationships.
So we participated in Dia's Saint Indian

921
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:19,840
carbon schools lockdown drill. We've
identified some weaknesses and I met

922
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:24,320
with them after and try to come up with
some um

923
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:30,560
remedials if you want for them.
Obviously, the goal of that is not um as

924
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:34,960
I explained to one of the teacher or
we're not showing up lights and siren

925
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:38,880
and guns out and everything for those
like like they thought and were that

926
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:44,880
we're going to jump out of lockers. No,
the idea is we go there uh as calmly as

927
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:49,360
possible and see how they're doing.
We'll knock on a few doors uh if we see

928
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:53,360
kids or in a lot of case we hear the
kids laughing so we have discussion

929
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:57,600
after so that they have to take it
seriously. It's been wellreceived um

930
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:00,719
some of the things in the school
unfortunately there's nothing they can

931
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:05,280
do just because of the way the schools
are built but we've coming up with some

932
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:11,120
other plans.
We did some uh fraud presentation as

933
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:17,600
well as a session on sextortion.
Sextortion being on the rise. It's some

934
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:25,199
people think it's a good idea to send
naked pictures online or that uh you

935
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:30,560
know in a lot of cases a lonely
50-year-old man sending a naked picture

936
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:35,120
to thinks is a nice young girl turns out
to be somebody in India that's not a

937
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:39,760
woman but they want money. So, we're
trying to educate people that it's, you

938
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:46,080
know, don't put yourself out there type
deal.

939
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:50,000
Uh, we did eight media release
sent out to the local uh newspaper.

940
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:55,920
However, what I've noticed is that not
since not all of them were published,

941
01:21:52,960 --> 01:22:01,120
I'm going to transition to a once a
month uh public release unless there's

942
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:05,679
something that I feel that we, you know,
like developing crime trends that we

943
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:10,000
want to address right away. I'm going to
go to once monthly with a recap of what

944
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:14,719
we've done and then some public
interest. Uh we'll see if that works

945
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:18,639
better.
However, I've been told by several

946
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:22,320
members of the public that uh they
really appreciate knowing what's going

947
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:25,639
on their community and what's going on
around town.

948
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:35,520
Coffee with a cup by month or once every
two months. Uh I held two. Uh as I

949
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:40,800
mentioned before, I'm not a big fan of
uh saying we're going to be at this

950
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:44,800
coffee shop at this time on that day. Uh
and a good example is today as I was

951
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:49,600
leaving to come here, I got ambushed by
somebody that with something that

952
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:53,199
couldn't wait. It looks bad. Uh
especially when we do coffee with a cop,

953
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:58,159
people show up and we're late. So in
order to avoid that, we're increasing it

954
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:04,280
by going to different place and just
engaging people. We'll evaluate if that

955
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,280
works better.

956
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:12,880
Uh we didn't do any tunnel meeting this
quarter. Again, it's it was too early in

957
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:17,440
the year to assess how we're doing the
priorities. So, those come up and the

958
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:21,920
idea of that is to see how well we're
doing with priorities in the eyes of the

959
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:27,840
public, but also to determine what next
year's priority will be. So, again, it's

960
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:34,239
it's a little too early for that.
We attended several meetings of citizen

961
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:40,000
on patrol and the rural crime watch. Uh
we have an issue with uh one of the

962
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:44,080
local citizen on patrol that decided to
put cameras everywhere.

963
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:47,760
So we're dealing with that uh
unfortunately.

964
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:52,719
Uh
but overall they're they're doing fine.

965
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:57,280
So they were told that first of all if
they want to install camera on county's

966
01:23:55,360 --> 01:24:02,080
property or town property they need to
get a hold of the count the the council

967
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:08,320
and then obviously you can't point your
cameras at somebody's private residence

968
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:12,320
or you can't put it uh into capture. So
we're dealing with that. They might get

969
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:16,280
um if they don't fall in line they're
probably going to get disbanded.

970
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,280
Unfortunately,

971
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:23,920
uh we had no opportunities this past
quarter for research duties. Uh but we

972
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:29,400
didn't however participate in 14 public
events and ceremonies or leading

973
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,400
parades.

974
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:35,199
So with the exception of the town hall
meetings and media releases, all of the

975
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:39,560
categories are on track or on their way
to be surpassed again.

976
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:53,040
Prior number four was a crime reduction.
This time per property crime.

977
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:57,360
So we're now conducting nightly uh
compliance check with the curfews

978
01:24:54,719 --> 01:25:02,800
conditions and so forth.
Um and it's easy for me to verify that

979
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:06,880
every shift my guys are doing a shift
summary. So I know exactly what's going

980
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:11,360
on. So is the everybody else in the
attachment. So intelligence gathered is

981
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:17,320
increasing.
Uh those led to 27 breach charges.

982
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:27,679
We did uh one street sweep one round up
for lack of a better term. I didn't like

983
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:31,920
the result. Again um most of the people
that we have on warrants are either

984
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:37,760
living out of area or
um not when we get them. So to remedy

985
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:42,639
that, I instructed my guys to do
targeted street sweeps. So we know this

986
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:50,760
guy is going to be home at that time. Go
pick him up. So that's been successful

987
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,760
and that's led to 18 uh arrest.

988
01:25:51,840 --> 01:26:01,840
Fraud and emerging emerging crime trends
lectures. So again, sexion has been a

989
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:05,679
big one. It seems to be on the rise. Um
we did some internet child exploitation.

990
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:11,120
We had some issues with that as well.
Some presentations on that and some

991
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:16,560
frauds. These seems to be very constant.
Um I guess it's human nature that if

992
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:21,120
there's a way that in their mind that oh
I'm going to be rich. So cryptocurrency

993
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:25,440
and stuff like that around rise.
Unfortunately

994
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:30,080
uh those are usually out of country. So
there's not much that the local

995
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:32,300
detachment can do.
Um, [snorts]

996
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:41,120
we also did the informal
fraud pres discussions and sextortion

997
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:44,960
presentation during those coffee breaks
with the cop. So that seemed to be a

998
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:50,800
concern.
So again, um overall the detachment is

999
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:57,199
either surpassing or well on its way to
meet and surpass every targets

1000
01:26:54,239 --> 01:27:01,440
except for the impaired because again
that's

1001
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:08,000
as much as we try. We can't convince
people to go and drink and drive or not

1002
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:13,040
to I should say.
So I'm reorganizing

1003
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:18,239
the the way that the dash is being run.
It's taking longer than I would have

1004
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:22,880
liked, but it is what it is. My goal is
to have my officers freed from from a

1005
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:27,679
lot of the admin duties and out on the
road more. Um, in a lot of cases, I'm

1006
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:31,520
not very popular with them because if I
walk around and you've been at your desk

1007
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:37,920
too long, get out. They don't like that.
But my goal is to have them on the road

1008
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:42,639
doing their job and not tied up with the
different processes.

1009
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:50,560
So Dian Min is being cross trainined
right now. Uh when I took over with my

1010
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:55,040
foreign men, they were very much this is
my silo of knowledge. This is what I'm

1011
01:27:52,480 --> 01:28:00,159
doing. I didn't like that. So now I've
instituted cross trainining. So every

1012
01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:05,280
one of my admin people will be able to
do everybody's job. And then the next

1013
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:10,320
step is now you're taking on some of the
duties that uniform members had to do.

1014
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:15,000
That'll be your job and that frees them
to go on the road. So,

1015
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:24,159
did you want me to go through committee
consultation or

1016
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:26,719
» West council want? No, we're good. We
got we got everything in front of us.

1017
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,360
So, we kind of read through it too as we
go along and just hit the highlights.

1018
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:34,800
It' be great.
>> Okay. Um, yeah, like I said, the

1019
01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:41,159
lockdown drill we did um
real crime wash in this case. It's

1020
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,159
ongoing.

1021
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:52,360
Some my members went and got in the face
by dodgeball. That was fun.

1022
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:05,600
That's basically the most of the
highlights right now for my rural

1023
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:09,199
members. I have no vacancies. I do have
one vacancy

1024
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:13,760
for municipal that I've been trying to
fill. Uh we'll see how that goes. I'm

1025
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:20,719
also
uh proposing a um staffing increase to

1026
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:26,639
get a sergeant. My as an upsense co so
my goal would be right now is

1027
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:29,440
if you come in as a constable you can
get promoted to corporal but if you want

1028
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:34,639
to get promoted sergeant you have to go
somewhere else and then come back as a

1029
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:38,159
staff sergeant. I'd like to have
continuity cuz most of the guys I have

1030
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:44,400
like it around here so much they don't
want to leave unfortunately they have to

1031
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:48,719
if so with this extra position it allows
me two things it allows me to keep them

1032
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:56,400
and retain them all the way up to staff
sergeant and the other thing is

1033
01:29:53,360 --> 01:30:02,320
with the addition of a opsencio sergeant
my two corporals now become what they're

1034
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:05,840
supposed to be which is road supervisors
So they would mentor the constables and

1035
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:10,800
they would be out on the road taking
files themselves a lot more. All

1036
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:15,920
supervisory duties would be spread
between myself and the sergeant position

1037
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:20,080
versus now between myself and the two
corporals. So there's a lot of benefits

1038
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:25,560
but you know that comes at a cost. So
that's discussion I'm having right now.

1039
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:36,080
when you look at the crime statistic, I
know it's been in the news that um you

1040
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:41,280
know, crime is down, um crime index is
lower and everything. The thing to keep

1041
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:46,800
that to keep in mind with that is in a
small area like us,

1042
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:50,400
I mean, you have one sexual assault,
well, your index just shoots right up,

1043
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:55,880
right? Because normally we don't have
one. Same with murders or anything like

1044
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:55,880
that. So

1045
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:03,679
a shift in one or two creates a huge
impact for a crime scene index. So just

1046
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:09,840
let's keep that in mind that it's not
really uh [snorts] we don't have a huge

1047
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:13,199
problem. Like I I was told that
um well you're asking for more members.

1048
01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:17,120
Well, you know, if we could see people
getting shot in the street and like all

1049
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:21,199
this like we'd be more supportive, but
we don't see that. I'm like that's

1050
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:27,600
because we're doing a good job to avoid
that. So, it reflects on this and

1051
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:30,560
there's numbers we can't uh control.
Example, the murder, right? Like we have

1052
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:37,280
one murder and all of a sudden like
we're up 100%. It's cuz we haven't had a

1053
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:40,719
murder in a couple years. So,
any questions?

1054
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:44,080
» Uh, thank you. Any questions? Councelor
Larson and Councelor

1055
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:47,840
HS.
try and keep it brief because I know you

1056
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:52,800
have things to do, but can you just tell
me the like the drug seizures and the

1057
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:59,600
and the arrests and enforcement. How
what what would be the percentage of

1058
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:02,800
actual in drumheller and then rural?
>> You [snorts] don't have to give me the

1059
01:32:00,639 --> 01:32:07,120
exact number, but just ballpark it for
me. Is it like 60 40 or something like

1060
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:12,480
that? It would be more um I would say
probably 80% in drum

1061
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:18,960
» in the area and then rural a little bit
but not as much nowhere near as much.

1062
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:23,520
» So are the drones then coming primarily
>> drum?

1063
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:26,000
Okay, never mind.
>> We have a we have a project on that

1064
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,880
right now.
>> No worries.

1065
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:34,639
» So yeah,
>> I understand completed. Thank you.

1066
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:39,600
» You're welcome, Councelor Clayton.
Okay.

1067
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:45,840
Years ago, we had a rural crime watch
around Strathmore and well almost all

1068
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:50,880
the neighbors were part of rural crime
watch, but it's

1069
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:54,159
kind of disappeared in our area.
>> Mhm.

1070
01:32:51,840 --> 01:33:00,800
» And it doesn't seem to be uh something
that is promoted.

1071
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:08,080
Is that u something that uh has to be
done through you guys or ho how does it

1072
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:15,120
get back on track if it's value to you?
>> Well, there's a lot of value to it for

1073
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:19,120
sure. Um I had one started in uh Fort
Mclau when I was there for the Willow

1074
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:26,159
Creek area, but it has to be citizen
driven. Will assist, but there's an

1075
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:31,360
organization that helps set it up. Um,
from what I understand, I want to say

1076
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:36,080
last month, a little while ago, they had
a uh a meeting held in Drum Miller with

1077
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:40,800
the idea of recruit people and I don't
think anybody showed up.

1078
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:47,040
So, unless there's a lot of crime and
they feel impacted by it, um, community

1079
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:51,600
involvement is not that great. uh we can
promote it as much as we want but if

1080
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:56,560
people don't then uh the bad thing about
it is um

1081
01:33:54,960 --> 01:34:01,120
every
large area in Willow Creek if you want

1082
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:06,719
they were on this system on their cell
phones and say for example we're looking

1083
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:11,360
for a stolen truck we'd let them know
and they would yeah he's right here so

1084
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:16,320
we had real life information so yes real
crime watch is very important to us but

1085
01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:21,679
we can't twist people's arms Same with
citizen on patrol. Seems that we're

1086
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:25,960
going into a phase where
less and less people want to get

1087
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,960
involved.

1088
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:34,560
But if anybody wants to start one, we'll
be more than happy to help.

1089
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:39,120
» Councor,
thanks for the presentation. So with the

1090
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:44,400
drones like you know and and going to
the pen, do they do they crash the drone

1091
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:51,600
or do they fly it back away? Because you
would think that like I'm Do you need us

1092
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:57,920
to advocate to our MP to maybe set up
the pen like you would an airport?

1093
01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:01,760
» Mhm. Well, they I mean it is kind of sad
because it's a no-fly zone, right? So,

1094
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:07,040
we do have sensors that let us know when
there's a drone uh and then we try to

1095
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:12,080
go. Uh usually, you're right, like we
don't typically recover drones. we

1096
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:17,520
recover the packages that they drop
before or we get the inmates with them,

1097
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:22,960
right? Um
I'm there I have no power to say like to

1098
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:26,719
to try to affect it maybe on your hand
to start

1099
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:33,440
at this level and then try to push it
forward. Um for example like I I did a

1100
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:37,760
tour of the the pen and I've identified
several weaknesses when I discuss it

1101
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:43,520
with a pen. One of them, for example,
was you have blank areas where your

1102
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:48,719
cameras don't capture. Why can't you put
cameras there? Oh, no. Because if we put

1103
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:52,560
more camera, we become like a higher
level of security and we we're not

1104
01:35:50,080 --> 01:36:00,560
allowed to do that. And I'm like, great.
Okay. So, there's a lot of issues that

1105
01:35:56,639 --> 01:36:07,840
unfortunately it's way way above my
head. So I can make suggestions but none

1106
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:11,040
of them are listened to. Right.
Welcome.

1107
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:15,639
» Thank you very
Thank you very much. Uh any other

1108
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:15,639
questions?

1109
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:20,480
» A motion to accept for information.
Someone

1110
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:26,960
» also move.
>> Motion on the floor. Any discussion?

1111
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:31,239
I'll call a question.
>> Thank you for coming. Thank you. Thanks.

1112
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:37,159
Then after this, we'll take a 10-minute
break.

1113
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:42,600
We'll be back at uh 10:46.

1114
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:56,000
» Back.
>> We're back to council weight county

1115
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:59,760
regular meeting agenda and we're on item
five, consent agenda. So here's the

1116
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:06,400
point where if anybody wants something
pulled out to discuss, please speak now

1117
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:11,159
or for forever hold your peace.
Is there anything anyone wants to pull

1118
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,159
out to discuss further?

1119
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:19,040
Um I have a couple. I think we should
talk about Drumheller Health Foundation.

1120
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:23,280
Uh was a thank you for donation that we
provided and they asked if we want to do

1121
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:30,639
a photo. I was wondering if we should
discuss whether anybody has um

1122
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:35,520
capacity to go up to get a photo done. I
don't know if they would come here. That

1123
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:45,040
would be ideal. But maybe we could um
initiate conversation about that. Um

1124
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:49,360
» then uh we should talk about
a letter from WHMB.

1125
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:53,679
» Okay.
5.1.

1126
01:37:51,679 --> 01:37:58,239
» Um,
I'd like to also pull out the letter

1127
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:03,760
from Alice James, counselor at MD of Big
Horn.

1128
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:05,360
So I think we should uh
>> give

1129
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:08,679
» 511
>> uh 5.11

1130
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:15,239
» and then also Strathmore Chamber of
Commerce 5.13.

1131
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:27,800
Anyone else?
I think we should add 5.14 as well.

1132
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,800
» Yeah.

1133
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:33,119
I'll make a motion to bring those items.
Sorry.

1134
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:37,840
» Uh to the chair, administration is
requesting to pull item 5.7 from the

1135
01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:41,360
consent agenda for the purpose of
providing a verbal fire services update

1136
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:44,800
as part of the community and development
services report. Just the community

1137
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:53,080
development.
>> Thank you. So we're looking at 57, 58,

1138
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:53,080
510, 511, 513, and 514.

1139
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:06,960
Deputy Ree, are you making that motion?
>> I will make the motion to remove those

1140
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:11,040
items.
>> Perfect.

1141
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:14,639
Motion on the floor before I call.
Anyone else have anything else to pull

1142
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:22,440
out?
Okay. Call a question

1143
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:22,440
or do we vote on Yeah.

1144
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:30,800
And that's carried.
5.7 is first and that's administration

1145
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:34,239
update.
>> Should we first make a motion to approve

1146
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,920
the rest of the consent agenda?
>> Oh yes,

1147
01:39:34,719 --> 01:39:39,520
» you can make that motion. [laughter]
>> I always do that.

1148
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,893
» She always grips.
>> Yes, I know. [laughter]

1149
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:49,080
Ask my wife. They don't learn easy

1150
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:56,840
motion on the floor to approve the rest
and waiting for.

1151
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:19,199
So we have the second motion on the
screen.

1152
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:22,520
Call. Question is called.
Please vote.

1153
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:36,719
» That's carried. Go ahead. This is item
5.7.

1154
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:41,600
Thank you. I've asked So, this will be
um in relation to the fire services

1155
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:45,520
update in the community and development
services report. In addition, I have

1156
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:50,080
three items that I'd like to discuss.
First is an update on the timelines for

1157
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:55,760
transition of fire dispatch to Calgary
911. Second is timing on programming

1158
01:40:53,679 --> 01:41:00,080
radio channel scanning on the Afra
radios. And then a discussion on

1159
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:05,199
concerns related to radio coverage and
out of range alerts. Uh it is our

1160
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:09,119
understanding that there has been some
counselors contacted with some concerns.

1161
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:14,719
So we are just providing an update so
everyone has the same information as

1162
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:20,239
well as the public as well. So the first
is the transition to Calgary 911.

1163
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:26,320
Council will recall that the transition
target date was scheduled for November

1164
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:31,119
30th, 2026. The revised go live date
will now be December 8th, 2026. It could

1165
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:35,679
be sooner, but that is the date we're
working towards now. The additional time

1166
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:39,840
was required in order to get all the
contracts signed between the regional

1167
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:45,679
partners. So, Wheatland County, the
villages of Standard, Husar, and Rocky

1168
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:47,360
View. All of that has been completed.
Sorry,

1169
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:51,930
» Rocky Ford.
>> My apologies. Did I say Rocky View?

1170
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:51,930
» Yes. [laughter]

1171
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:59,840
» You know, I've been trying really hard
not to do that. [laughter]

1172
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:04,080
Rocky Fard, my apologies. U So, the
villages have all signed their

1173
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:09,679
contracts. So that is complete. Uh this
is a significant operational change that

1174
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:13,760
includes confirming how the calls will
be received, sent to local fire

1175
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:17,840
departments, making sure dispatchers
have accurate information about the

1176
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:22,960
local roads, addresses, fire resources,
and response procedures. updating and

1177
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:27,280
testing the radio settings, testing
communications between dispatch and fire

1178
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:30,480
crews, and ensuring that the fire
departments and the rural fire

1179
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:34,960
associations know what to expect when
the new service begins.

1180
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:40,639
Uh so to achieve this, administration
continues to work with Calgary 911,

1181
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:45,760
Telus, Aphra, IT, fire services, and the
fire associations on the necessary

1182
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:50,560
programming and testing. Uh the December
8th date will also guide the timing for

1183
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:55,360
related radio programming work including
the review of channel scanning and other

1184
01:42:52,960 --> 01:43:00,639
confirmed programming requirements which
brings me to the second part of the

1185
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:05,840
update which is radio channel scanning.
So channel scanning would this allows a

1186
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:10,000
radio to monitor more than one assigned
channel or talk group. So for example, a

1187
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:14,480
firefighter may be operating on their
assigned fire channel but would also be

1188
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:19,440
able to hear traffic on another approved
channel that is relevant to the

1189
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:25,199
response. This was not initially done as
part of the original

1190
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:29,600
transition to Aphra as that scanning is
not generally recommended without a

1191
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:35,199
defined operational need because it can
affect radio system capacity and put a

1192
01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:40,400
strain on the system. So, AFRA is
clarifying its policy, looking at which

1193
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:45,440
configurations may be permitted and what
can be supported technically. Uh, there

1194
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:49,520
have been some requests from some of the
fire associations to enable this

1195
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:55,199
capability. So, this is being reviewed
as part of the Calgary 911 transition

1196
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:59,280
because it is a fairly complex, costly
process. So, doing it once is more

1197
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:03,280
advisable. So that will be looked at and
communicated with uh with the fire

1198
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:06,480
associations and the departments through
the chief's meetings and through the

1199
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:10,560
different channels we have of
communication.

1200
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:17,199
And then the the third item I wanted to
update on was radio coverage and out of

1201
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:22,080
range alerts. So this is when a radio is
potentially out of range, it makes a

1202
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:26,719
tone. It's an audible warning from the
radio that says I'm basically I may not

1203
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:31,520
work. I could be out of range and I
might not be able to connect you with

1204
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:36,639
dispatch or with uh the other crews. And
that is a a safety issue. It's intended

1205
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:41,920
to warn the firefighter that your radio
may not work.

1206
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:46,320
There have been some concerns raised
with cert in certain areas with certain

1207
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:52,560
fire associations that the warning tone
sounds repeatedly and and is frustrating

1208
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:57,679
and quite disruptive especially when the
radios are taken with someone and not

1209
01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:03,040
stored in the hall. Uh so the request
has been to disable the alert or make it

1210
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:08,320
optional. Um administration understands
the concern. However, this is an

1211
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:11,920
important safety feature. It's the
firefighter's primary link to dispatch

1212
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:16,159
incident command and other crews when
they're on an incident.

1213
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:19,920
So, if a firefighter is in an area with
weak coverage, they may not be able to

1214
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:24,239
receive instructions or safety
information, confirm their location or

1215
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:28,880
assignment, call for additional
resources, or call for help in an

1216
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:32,000
emergency. So, the out of range tone
warns them of that risk.

1217
01:45:31,302 --> 01:45:37,199
» [gasps]
>> So administration believes that this

1218
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:41,679
should remain enabled as a life safety
feature and it's not simply whether the

1219
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:47,679
tones inconvenient, it's whether you can
be warned that the system is reliable.

1220
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:52,080
So uh some ways that we propose to
address this concern is through

1221
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:56,880
practical safety focused measures rather
than removing the warning feature. So,

1222
01:45:54,159 --> 01:46:03,040
this would include identifying regular
radio storage locations, encouraging uh

1223
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:07,920
responders to use the primary method,
which is the Inet app on your phone or

1224
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:12,800
your computer. That will work with
Wi-Fi, it will also work with data. So,

1225
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:16,800
the coverage is uh much more inclusive
than the radios. So, you get your call

1226
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:20,239
there, you go to the hall, you get your
radio, and that's what you use on the

1227
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:25,920
incident. And then we have mobile
repeaters that can go with the trucks.

1228
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:30,080
um and exploring practical signal
improvement options. We did do some

1229
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:35,840
testing. The fire chief went out as well
as our senior IT people to do some

1230
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:40,960
testing um in the Rosebud area because
this is an area I think as you all know

1231
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:45,280
has difficulty with uh coverage and on
the day of testing the the the radios

1232
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:49,520
were working and and they showed good
signal. However, the weather was good

1233
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:54,159
that day. So, it it could be different
if the weather is not as good. So

1234
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:58,239
administration has advised the fire
halls and the rural fire associations

1235
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:02,159
that a practical interim approach is to
store the radio where it remains

1236
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:08,560
accessible but doesn't cause unnecessary
disruption and when it's not in service

1237
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:12,880
um use the primary inet uh notification
and so we'll continue to work with the

1238
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:18,400
associations and the relevant technical
partners to continue to identify any

1239
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:22,320
practical solutions. Um, however, the
solution must preserve firefighter

1240
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:28,480
safety, be technical fe technically
feasible and meet Aphro's requirements.

1241
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:31,520
So, in closing, those are my updates and
we're happy to take any questions. Thank

1242
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:35,600
you.
>> Thank you. Any questions? I I have one

1243
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:38,880
suggestion that what that briefing that
you have, if you could send that to us

1244
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:43,280
directly. Yeah. All council. So, if we
do get a call, which we probably will,

1245
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:45,840
we have something to refer back to.
>> Certainly.

1246
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:49,600
» I'm I'm I have a memory, but it's not
that good. that I might try to say

1247
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:54,360
something that's not proper.
>> Certainly, I'm happy to share that with

1248
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,360
» Hester.

1249
01:47:54,480 --> 01:48:02,320
And just a question, when you're looking
for solutions, you've got areas in the

1250
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:07,600
county that are identified as being weak
on being able to keep contact with the

1251
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:12,400
radios already.
Why not proactively

1252
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:17,760
get a repeater
repeaters put in those areas at a

1253
01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:21,840
standard practice?
>> I'll let Mr. Adamson

1254
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:26,159
» I believe we're doing that already.
>> Yeah. So uh through the chair uh the

1255
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:30,960
system is run by the uh provincial ax
program and so uh they do they they can

1256
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:35,600
work us with us on some temporary
solutions in specific areas and we are

1257
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:40,400
we have communication dialogue open with
them on things that we can do. We do

1258
01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:44,880
expect to bring some uh report back to
council at some point here regarding

1259
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:49,840
perhaps rosebud. Uh but I think a key
thing to just note about coverage and

1260
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:54,480
I've looked at their coverage maps, it's
uh a lot like if if we compare to our

1261
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:58,480
old system, it is generally a lot better
coverage than what we had before. Uh the

1262
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:03,040
the coverage might have changed, but
it's a lot better in general overall.

1263
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:08,800
But the areas like Rosebud and some of
these un lowlying areas um is they don't

1264
01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:13,040
they they they just don't guarantee the
portable signal. But the mobile one

1265
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:19,679
that's in the vehicles still are
supposed to work in those areas. So just

1266
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:25,840
just a key point on on the um uh signal
quality. Uh and as we did some testing

1267
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:30,320
uh we were able to get a 5x5 signal all
on everywhere that we went on the

1268
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:34,719
eastern side. Again it was uh the
weather was great. Uh the only thing is

1269
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:38,400
is that weather can affect the
attenuation of radio signals of course

1270
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:42,480
right? So there might be some some
changes or in buildings of course they

1271
01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:46,239
can't guarantee radio signal in a
building due to the the structure of the

1272
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:50,320
building and various other stuff that
would be out of Ara's control but uh but

1273
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:54,400
they were working when we when we did
test them but we do understand the

1274
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:58,320
challenges there for sure. So
>> quick followup that test was it handheld

1275
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:00,000
or a truck mount?
>> Uh through the chair of both.

1276
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,840
» Okay.
>> We did both the the invehicle one as the

1277
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:09,920
and the handheld one
>> and the handheld 5x5 too. We had uh

1278
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:14,719
through the chair we had handheld 5x5
inside the we went inside the theater

1279
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:18,639
and right into the middle of the
theater. We did it in the merkantile

1280
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:23,440
building and we did it along the roads
where we saw like there was no it

1281
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:26,719
actually didn't have any bars and you
would think it doesn't work but we were

1282
01:50:24,639 --> 01:50:30,880
getting 5x5 with no bars. We only had
one spot where we where we ended up

1283
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:35,119
getting that that out of tone signal
which was in the far east of the county

1284
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:40,639
in a really kind of windy little valley
that came came up from the special areas

1285
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:44,880
side of it and but it was about a fivem
minute spot in there that it made that

1286
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:49,560
tone.
Thank you councelor Caster.

1287
01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:56,400
Just curious, did you take firefighter
with you when you were testing the

1288
01:50:54,159 --> 01:51:01,280
radios
>> uh through the chair? We went with uh

1289
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:05,199
with it, myself and with our fire chief.
So, he was able to take us through

1290
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:09,920
through the different areas. We didn't
have a firefighter

1291
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:14,800
» through the reef to councelor Kra. They
were requested to the first time when

1292
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:20,400
they gave all of the sites where there
were gabs um they were asked to go out

1293
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:24,960
to help confirm them and they didn't go.
So it was individually and then the team

1294
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:30,560
went out but they did not wish to um go
out at the same time and that request

1295
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:34,960
and invitation is still open to them
that they can go out with staff.

1296
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:42,320
» Yeah, that's a shame.
Uh,

1297
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:49,599
I got a question about the changeover
and it's about all 911.

1298
01:51:46,719 --> 01:51:54,960
So, there's a fee we pay on our cell
phone

1299
01:51:51,119 --> 01:52:01,840
for 911 coverage
and that fee is paid out

1300
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:07,599
to who?
I through the reef to council. So that

1301
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:11,040
is a provincial fee and it's collected.
Telus collects that or it could be

1302
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:17,199
Rogers Rogers.
>> Yeah. And so there is a grant program

1303
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:23,599
under that PAP and it goes to which
we've all identified as our PAP um is

1304
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:29,040
Calgary 911. So that grant money that
comes from that goes to will go to

1305
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:33,679
Calgary 911 at the moment until December
8th whatever that transition it stays

1306
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:39,280
with WDMSA and then going forward once
we the Telus goes to switches over the

1307
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:49,840
PAP it'll then go to our new service
provider but it's a provincial funding

1308
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:54,719
» not 100% up on it there is the grant
from the province and I don't know if

1309
01:52:52,480 --> 01:53:01,480
there's a direct payment from Telus or
not to uh

1310
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,480
or Rogers

1311
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:11,040
because I know there's a municipality
receiving 911 dispatch

1312
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:15,199
from Rogers
and has been.

1313
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:19,119
And I'm just wondering is that going to
go switch over to Calgary or are they

1314
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:22,280
going to keep keep it as they have in
the past?

1315
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:31,840
you know anything about it?
>> No, I cannot speak to that. All I can

1316
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:36,800
speak to is that it is a funding that
the county doesn't see that money goes

1317
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:41,760
directly to our PAP provider.
>> And I believe and I don't know if it's

1318
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:47,440
through Telus or if it went proventually
at that. I can't answer who's who

1319
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:53,199
actually sends that money to the
municipality or the fire service

1320
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:57,199
provider. that's designated as the PAP.
>> Okay. So, when you're signing these

1321
01:53:54,719 --> 01:54:03,679
contracts, I was getting at there's not
a specific line about transferring this

1322
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:09,040
uh this grant money or no payment.
>> No, the in the contracts which um all of

1323
01:54:06,639 --> 01:54:14,880
us including the villages, we identify
who our fire dispatch service provider

1324
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:19,520
is in our PAP and then who coordinates
the technical aspects on the county's

1325
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:24,080
behalf, which would be Calgary 911. But
it doesn't say where that funding goes.

1326
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:28,880
I would assume that's an administrative
thing with Telus.

1327
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:32,960
» Yeah. Through the chair. Um I don't know
too much about the infrastructure, but

1328
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:36,480
uh I think it would be safe to say as
well as Telus has specific

1329
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:40,320
infrastructure to be able to support
like for instance when you go in SOS

1330
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:45,280
offline mode, you can still dial us. So
there is is infrastructure that isn't

1331
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:49,520
covered by PAF that that uh that I would
assume that that those fees would help

1332
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:55,280
supply those when like Telus or whatever
collects those fees, but we can't speak

1333
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:57,599
to what comes to towards a PAP or even a
municipality. So we're not sure of that

1334
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:02,080
though.
>> Okay.

1335
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:05,080
Are different telephone companies like
Rogers?

1336
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:14,159
Yeah.
Thank you.

1337
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:18,320
» Any other questions?
I just want to follow up. Um, you

1338
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:22,080
mentioned the Inet and how people take
their radios home and I just want to

1339
01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:24,639
give some feedback that I heard cuz I
was one of the people that got a call

1340
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:29,599
and I actually went out and talked to
some. So,

1341
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:34,320
it was explained to me that the Inet
function um is is great, but when

1342
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:38,320
they're responding, they're usually, you
know, could be 15 minutes from a hall.

1343
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:41,360
They prefer not to be on a phone driving
and seeing what's going on. And totally

1344
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:45,119
makes sense. That's why they they were
looking for a that's why they take the

1345
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:51,040
radios home because while they're
responding, they can hear instead of

1346
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:54,639
looking at a phone. And I as a safety
feature, I totally understand that

1347
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:57,679
because you number one, it's illegal to
drive and look at your and try to take a

1348
01:55:56,400 --> 01:56:00,480
text. So that's the feedback you're
getting. So they're looking for

1349
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:06,719
information. Now maybe there's a way
that um the Inet can be audible. I don't

1350
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:09,040
know, something like that. Just some
feedback that I heard and it made sense.

1351
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:12,639
So, I just thought I'd bring that
forward. Yeah. I don't know if it's

1352
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,560
possible or anything like that, but
that's that's why they say that. Go

1353
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:17,760
ahead.
>> Yeah. Through the chair, we're uh we're

1354
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:20,639
actually working with Inet. We're going
to be having a meeting hopefully pretty

1355
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:22,960
soon with them with some suggestions and
that was a great suggestion as well. We

1356
01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:26,960
can add.
>> Yeah. Just something, you know, a brief

1357
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:30,560
maybe it's a paragraph the scene, you
know, whatever information they need to

1358
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:33,679
just keep repeating it so people can
focus on driving. The last thing I want

1359
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:37,280
to have is somebody with a phone in
their hand looking at something and hit

1360
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:42,480
a ditch or t-bone somebody when they're
trying to help somebody else, but

1361
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:47,119
totally understandable.
Um, anything else on this before we move

1362
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:50,480
on?
Thank you for the information. I mean,

1363
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:55,040
there is a lot of I mean, I've said to a
lot of people, nobody likes change.

1364
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:59,440
Change is difficult. Um, and I know that
uh administration is doing their best to

1365
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:03,199
negotiate the change and there's things
that we don't see and sounds like you

1366
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:06,159
guys are working with it. There's a lot
of assumptions out there. I know that

1367
01:57:04,639 --> 01:57:08,960
there's a lot of misinformation and
that's why I asked for that information

1368
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:14,400
to come directly to us. Will it be
debated? Most likely because it's when

1369
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:21,280
it gets down to actual operators, there
seems to be a difference of opinion. So,

1370
01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:30,840
I'm hoping we can get through that.
Uh, 5.8 8h hour and health foundation

1371
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:30,840
deputy reveal priest.

1372
01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:38,880
» So it was nice to receive a thank you
from Dormal Health Foundation for our

1373
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:43,599
donation towards their
uh grow your own program and they had

1374
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:52,159
said that they'd be honored to recognize
our support with a photo. Um so I don't

1375
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:56,480
know whether we could just yeah maybe
Maybe we should reach out to them and

1376
01:57:53,760 --> 01:58:02,400
ask them
uh whether we could just

1377
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:06,000
do a photo and send it to them of our
council or [laughter]

1378
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:10,719
I I don't want to do a special trip out
there just to take a picture. But um but

1379
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:16,400
I think it would be nice to have some
kind of recognition

1380
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:20,719
for our donation.
Shall I make a motion to administration

1381
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:24,960
to
>> just do it? Okay. Appreciate that. Thank

1382
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:28,960
you.
>> So, no motion is needed. We'll reach out

1383
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:33,679
to him and just see if we can negotiate
some kind of thing. I'm up in the area

1384
01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:38,400
quite often. Um but if once all council,
that's a totally different thing.

1385
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:44,400
Anything else on that?
Okay. Uh 510.

1386
01:58:43,119 --> 01:58:51,040
So, I just wanted to bring this one
forward too uh just because it's a

1387
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:57,679
letter um from the chair of WHMB and uh
says on it uh

1388
01:58:54,239 --> 01:59:03,199
continued advocacy um and they wanted to
resubmit their application

1389
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:08,159
uh to the province for the seniors lodge
application, but I we just we had a

1390
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:12,000
meeting with the minister and so I
assume that um given the feedback that

1391
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:18,639
we got, they are likely not going to
submit uh the same application again. Um

1392
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:27,199
given that the minister had suggested
that uh the cost per door was in fact uh

1393
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:33,679
higher than uh their other applications
and that um

1394
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:41,360
and that the ask for 50% of the cost was
more than u the program parameters. So,

1395
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:47,840
I'm assuming that um there'll be other
new information from the lodge board in

1396
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:53,119
terms of um
future

1397
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:57,040
applications. Okay. I just wanted to
bring that up because the letter is in

1398
01:59:54,560 --> 02:00:02,800
our package and so people might read it
and think that uh all systems are go but

1399
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,880
in fact I think I'm hoping that the
Wheatland Housing Management Body will

1400
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:11,920
uh re-evaluate their their applications
that have been submitted so far.

1401
02:00:10,323 --> 02:00:17,199
[clears throat]
Councelor Ker,

1402
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:25,599
» as you're aware, we've had an offer for
some help and then talking to with uh

1403
02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:31,440
people that were there.
Some places have actually gone to a bank

1404
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:36,960
and requested funding, but they're
hoping they're talking with us building

1405
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:44,639
Canada homes
and uh yeah, they're well of they're

1406
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:49,360
well aware of why we requested more. We
know they can't give more, but there's

1407
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:54,800
problems in the communication between
the province and the and the feds.

1408
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:59,679
That's
it's been the story of my life as a

1409
02:00:56,719 --> 02:01:05,400
farmer all the way through. So, I don't
know what else to say. Yeah, we're we're

1410
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:05,400
optimistic, but

1411
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:15,119
Eler,
yeah, like I was actually going to wait

1412
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:20,480
and discuss this with my um but my recap
of the meeting was is ADM. I mean, it

1413
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:24,560
was nice that we had all county and town
councils present to start with and and

1414
02:01:22,639 --> 02:01:29,119
you know, some strong representation
from the province. Uh it was nice, you

1415
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:34,960
know, to hear it direct, you know, not
have to ask secondhand. And, you know,

1416
02:01:31,599 --> 02:01:39,679
we've never yet seen the actual refusal
letter from the province. We just got

1417
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:47,360
the one that WHMB set out. But anyhow,
ADM Williams said that the bid was our

1418
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:53,760
bid was 580 89,000 versus about 450,000
desired. And um he used the per bed

1419
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:58,159
measurement, right? that like that's the
that's the provincial standard and and

1420
02:01:56,320 --> 02:02:03,280
right on our website on our lodge
website it says oh that's misleading

1421
02:02:00,639 --> 02:02:10,320
well not according to ADM Williams like
he's saying outright so um that the

1422
02:02:06,159 --> 02:02:19,000
589,000 our bid versus 450,000 ADM
Williams desires that's 139,000 per bid

1423
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:19,000
times 120 beds is $16,680,000

1424
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:26,000
of course we you know of course we
weren't going to get it Right. Cuz and I

1425
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:29,040
I believe he said and I'm not sure this
but I think he didn't he say like

1426
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:33,679
Wildwood was like 375 and it was
different apples to oranges cuz there

1427
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:39,599
was no elevators and stuff but the fact
that we have wide hallways and and um

1428
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:43,840
elevators is no different than local
communities that have got a lodge and we

1429
02:02:41,679 --> 02:02:47,199
don't. The other thing he said that you
know I think just need some

1430
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:51,520
clarification. He said it was the fourth
application. He said the province came

1431
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:57,679
to help us so that there would not be a
fifth denial. He said they rarely do

1432
02:02:54,320 --> 02:03:02,080
this, right? And so perhaps like you
know perhaps we really should figure out

1433
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:05,840
whether it's our consultant or our
building committee or our board like we

1434
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:11,199
I think we need to have a hard look at
what happened like he wasn't talking any

1435
02:03:08,639 --> 02:03:15,679
other bad stuff or no other you know
that we've heard in other past. he said,

1436
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:20,560
you know, was by the money. Then what
MLA Young said, you know, she was

1437
02:03:18,719 --> 02:03:27,679
dismayed and disappointed that the
province's January 19th, 2026 offer to

1438
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:30,880
help was rejected. And I had heard that
before we even submitted the bid that

1439
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:33,599
the province had reached out with an
offer to help. And I don't know who

1440
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:38,320
rejected it, whether it was our
consultant or our building committee or

1441
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:42,480
the board. But that's what MLA D. Young
said in the meeting. And then Minister

1442
02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:45,920
Neworf, he didn't, as we all know, he
didn't say too much, but one thing he

1443
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:50,239
did say, he said the bid at this price
point as presented had no chance of

1444
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:54,239
passing Treasury.
We're just way high. And it's kind of

1445
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:59,520
seems it sounds like it's our
responsibility. And so then like how do

1446
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:04,320
we
how do we get so far like that much

1447
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:10,000
money offside? Like our board has a
fiduciary duty. So, how could we justify

1448
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:13,599
in a bid that expensive like 16680
$16,680,000

1449
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:17,599
high to start with before we get into
cost overruns, which of course we're

1450
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:23,199
going to get. The next question I got is
is like, are we going to formally notify

1451
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:27,440
our rate payers that because I got
people asking me and they're like, where

1452
02:04:24,719 --> 02:04:32,400
is the lodge? Like
I think we now know as of August 26th or

1453
02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:39,080
whatever the data that was, but I think
we really should be more transparent

1454
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:39,080
with our rate peers. Thanks.

1455
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:49,040
» Keith do not want to answer that
gentleman

1456
02:04:48,159 --> 02:04:52,560
at the moment.
>> Nope.

1457
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:57,840
» Okay.
I will say I'm unaware of some of your

1458
02:04:55,760 --> 02:05:04,040
allegations that the province offered to
help. That certainly didn't come to the

1459
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:04,040
board. I can tell you that much.

1460
02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:09,440
» Well, I couldn't say that I heard it at
the right from the ministers there. So,

1461
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:14,000
I don't know where it came from or where
the where it fell apart.

1462
02:05:11,199 --> 02:05:17,599
» A brief or a ladder. We did take them up
on the debriefing letter.

1463
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:22,480
» That'd be something we met with. we've
met. Maybe the timing didn't work out,

1464
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:26,960
but that was done
>> that. So, at least the letter happened

1465
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:31,199
because otherwise we're saying MLA D
Young is incorrect, right? Like, we're

1466
02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:34,560
not saying that. I'm sure she said it
that day at the meeting and and pe

1467
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:40,320
people in this council heard it and
people in Strathmore Council heard it.

1468
02:05:36,239 --> 02:05:47,520
So, you know, we better be a little I'd
like to know exactly how it did how like

1469
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:52,800
so they reached out to us and Okay.
Mr. Hebs,

1470
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:58,719
I brought up at the meeting
with Mr. Nurov,

1471
02:05:55,360 --> 02:06:04,159
there's several things on when you apply
for a project and you include things.

1472
02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:09,360
One of them was the amount that the
hospice has in there. It's in that

1473
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:14,400
overall cost of 100
that you're talking about and so is the

1474
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:19,599
12% contingency which is over and above
the actual budgeted amount. You take

1475
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:24,960
those two things out and you reduce your
cost almost down to exactly what they're

1476
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:30,400
talking about. So it's up to us to work
with Mr. Williams who offered to do that

1477
02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:34,480
and set up a committee to do actually
address those issues

1478
02:06:32,719 --> 02:06:40,000
and [snorts] we can take a good look at
where we can

1479
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:45,119
meet what the province requires to
proceed. And I think that is exactly

1480
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:50,560
where we would like to leave it until we
have a chance to do that meeting and

1481
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:55,520
conduct those kind of conversations to
see where they feel we're out and where

1482
02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:59,480
we can tell them where we're in. I
appreciate that. Thank you,

1483
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:10,400
» Councelor Ker. And also at the meeting,
they had asked us to form a board to

1484
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:15,440
work with the province and that they'd
be in touch with myself as being the

1485
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:19,760
chair when they're going to want to get
together.

1486
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:26,560
Uh I thought we had a very good
discussion there and and ours

1487
02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:32,239
application is different than other
applications

1488
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:37,119
and uh we'll work it out. We have the
hospice hooked on. I don't know if

1489
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:43,920
they're taking it off or or just how
they're doing it, but it's as uh

1490
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:49,280
counselor Clayton suggests, it just
seems they're including it in there.

1491
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:57,040
because that's the total on the line.
That's how we filled it out.

1492
02:07:52,880 --> 02:08:04,719
We will take
I think we'll we'll take our suggestions

1493
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:11,280
from from the ADM assistant and uh and
work with them. That's all we can do.

1494
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:15,920
The unfortunate thing is when you put in
an application, you're not allowed to

1495
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:20,480
talk to anybody.
Yeah,

1496
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:26,000
that's I
you can't talk to the MLAs. You can't

1497
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:30,800
talk to the people of housing. They they
want to pair

1498
02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:35,599
pair to everybody. So that's their
process. So before they release the next

1499
02:08:33,679 --> 02:08:40,159
round, they're going to come down and
and go through our application, I'm

1500
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:44,880
guessing.
And uh they've never done it before. and

1501
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:51,440
they're doing it for us because they see
the need. That's all they said.

1502
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:56,560
And uh I know there's differences.
We don't have a smoking room and we

1503
02:08:53,520 --> 02:09:00,800
don't have 14 different rooms. We don't
have any of that. I think our square

1504
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:07,040
footage.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1505
02:09:03,599 --> 02:09:13,040
Provincial average is 900 square feet
per room and ours was just over by a

1506
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:17,280
couple feet.
Our square footage is right on the

1507
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:25,040
money.
The money thing, it needs some work.

1508
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:29,199
And I don't know, that's all I can say.
I don't know how they're looking at it.

1509
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:33,599
So when they come down to talk and
compare what they have to what we have,

1510
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:38,159
then we'll find out. sort of bit black
and white.

1511
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:42,480
» Can I just ask a a point of
clarification? So, uh, councelor

1512
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:48,239
Clayton, you mentioned that in the
application to the province for funding,

1513
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:52,719
we included the hospice, the cost of the
hospice even though they are fully

1514
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:57,520
funding it.
Just a clarification.

1515
02:09:55,599 --> 02:10:01,920
» So, this is why we've got to get some
clarification on what number they're

1516
02:09:59,199 --> 02:10:07,679
actually using. If you take
the number he gave us at the table

1517
02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:12,400
there, they are using the overall
project cost without removing those

1518
02:10:09,679 --> 02:10:17,840
costs. That's kind of why we've got to
sit and and say, okay, what's included

1519
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:26,239
in the calculation and what's not
because it's not

1520
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:31,360
the building is is so close to other
buildings that we've seen that are less

1521
02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:38,079
costly.
uh and I'd like to find out what they're

1522
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:43,199
using in their overall uh cost per room
is when they're saying we're high or

1523
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:49,520
low. And that's why the conversation
with Mr. Williams is very important.

1524
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:52,960
» But why would you have added put in uh
the cost of the hospice if we're not

1525
02:10:51,599 --> 02:10:56,000
they're we're not asking them for
funding. Why would we

1526
02:10:55,280 --> 02:11:01,520
» the
>> It would be confusing for them. It it's

1527
02:10:58,239 --> 02:11:07,119
confusing to a lot of us to tell you the
truth. It wasn't

1528
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:14,119
the project goes in as an overall cost
from M3, our project manager. And when

1529
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:14,119
you use

1530
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:23,199
it's the overall building square footage
is in there, including

1531
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:30,880
uh what the hospice square footage is.
And if it's not taken out, then you've

1532
02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:37,520
got to ask why. And they were informed
what was in and what's not. But where it

1533
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:43,520
got down to who was doing the look at it
at the uh review,

1534
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:49,599
something looks like it was missed. And
that's the first time we've really been

1535
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:56,400
put in a position to talking about the
cost per door being that high out of out

1536
02:11:53,599 --> 02:12:03,040
of their range. They hadn't come to that
uh conversation with us before. So I get

1537
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:09,440
that the cost comes from your that is
building the whole building but your

1538
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:13,440
consultant should have applied only for
the portion where you need the funding

1539
02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:19,400
for not not
>> that's all he was applying for was the

1540
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:19,400
portion

1541
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:30,000
the project that uh was presented as an
overall project cost. it. You can't say

1542
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:36,880
that it's not. It is. But what Derek
Wise did is

1543
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:43,199
do all the perform based on the lodge
and he took out what

1544
02:12:39,679 --> 02:12:50,040
the hospice area had and but the
contingencies were included in there. So

1545
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:50,040
that it's hard to say.

1546
02:12:53,840 --> 02:13:01,520
I'm trying to tell you
what I don't know is what they were

1547
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:05,800
looking at and what they read in Mr.
Wise's application.

1548
02:13:06,079 --> 02:13:14,560
Did they take it out or not? even though
it was reported what was in there in the

1549
02:13:12,639 --> 02:13:19,119
application
and it looks like they didn't. That's

1550
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:22,800
all I'm saying.
And and you got to present a project as

1551
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:29,440
as a whole because that's the numbers
you've got.

1552
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:35,840
Sorry, I'm trying I'm I'm not uh trying
to do any deflection in that way at all.

1553
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:40,159
I mean, a cynic would say, "Gee, it
looks like somebody was trying to get

1554
02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:45,199
the lodge to subsidize the hospice." I
know that's not the case, but I would

1555
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:51,520
say that
like, how did that get that far apart

1556
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:58,159
for this long? Cuz that he did say that
he came to Strathmore to keep us from

1557
02:13:55,360 --> 02:14:03,199
being denied a fifth time, right? So, I
mean, we we talk about um a

1558
02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:08,000
laughingstock and I I I think we should
figure out like if you think of

1559
02:14:06,239 --> 02:14:13,840
successful organizations like the Gaga
Stampede, they have a what went right,

1560
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:17,679
what went wrong the next day and we
still don't know really who said what.

1561
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:21,840
And I don't understand like some of
these little towns are getting like our

1562
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:26,400
neighbors are getting a lodge. Why do we
keep trying to pound a lodge hospice

1563
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:29,920
into like I don't understand that cuz
there isn't another one in the province.

1564
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:33,119
Our consultant told us that on January
6th at the meeting. He said there's not

1565
02:14:31,679 --> 02:14:38,320
another one in the province and there's
not another one applied for. So, and

1566
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:43,760
quite frankly, I don't think our hospice
has like hospice license, right? So,

1567
02:14:41,199 --> 02:14:50,079
they're just they're just a a volunteer
organization that we appreciate all the

1568
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:56,000
heck. I'm not saying I'm not trying to,
you know, make trouble. I'm just saying

1569
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:58,880
like we're trying to jam stuff together
that it appears they don't want jammed

1570
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:03,199
together.
>> Before we go too far,

1571
02:15:01,199 --> 02:15:06,639
» this is not going to solve the problem.
Um the board has to meet and come up

1572
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:10,239
with some they've got some hard answers
to figure out and get back to us for

1573
02:15:08,639 --> 02:15:15,280
» the partners and not just us. I'm going
to say all the partners because um

1574
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:20,639
there's a bunch of information that was
here and there's different ways of

1575
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:23,280
disseminating it. But um
yeah, we all have different opinions. We

1576
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:29,440
were all in the same room. We heard
different things. Councelor Ker, I'll

1577
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:32,239
just say that subject was brought up at
the meeting and the minister

1578
02:15:31,263 --> 02:15:36,719
[clears throat]
assistant

1579
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:41,199
answer was they're there to offer
whatever the community wants. The

1580
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:45,840
community wants that and they're willing
to support it. They'll do whatever they

1581
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:50,560
can to support it. They'll find us
numbers. They'll look for grants.

1582
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:55,520
They'll do anything. They did not say it
was a hindrance at all. It's what the

1583
02:15:53,440 --> 02:16:02,719
community wants. They're there for the
communities. They're coming to help us

1584
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:06,599
as a community to get this done. Now
being the only one

1585
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:15,440
the two are integrated
how it comes out and the financials I'm

1586
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:20,719
not sure but the we'll take the
mechanical room we need a mechanical

1587
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:26,639
room well it's bigger for the hospice so
they're paying for 10% of the mechanical

1588
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:32,080
room that has to be reflected in there
you can't say oh there's a hole here

1589
02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:37,679
so we'll get that done. They'll come
down. We'll we'll form a committee whose

1590
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:44,080
board's going to form a committee. I
believe they asked if the CEOs could be

1591
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:51,599
on it and uh yeah, we'll work with them
and uh see how the next thing goes. It's

1592
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:58,319
a offer and yes the board would be we
had an emer uh special council meeting

1593
02:16:55,519 --> 02:17:05,519
special board meeting and the board was
very uh enthusiastic about about the

1594
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:15,679
offer and we're looking forward to it.
We we decided to sit and wait until they

1595
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:20,399
contact us before we do anything cuz
that was their instructions. They'll

1596
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:28,359
contact us when they want to get
together. So when they contact us,

1597
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:28,359
way we go.

1598
02:17:29,519 --> 02:17:36,559
Thank you.
>> Uh yeah. So that I'm going to um just

1599
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:43,519
ask that um you know you can keep us
informed going forward and uh I'm going

1600
02:17:39,519 --> 02:17:45,599
to move the report as information.
>> You don't have to do that for that.

1601
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:50,559
» Oh, I don't.
>> No. Um just a suggestion too. The

1602
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:54,240
landscape on hospice has changed whether
you agree with it or not. There's one

1603
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:58,399
being built. I'm providing some services
in the area. You're suggesting that uh

1604
02:17:56,880 --> 02:18:02,240
you have the public support to build
one. you may have five years ago. I

1605
02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:05,280
don't know if you do now. If you're
going to go forward, maybe you should

1606
02:18:03,359 --> 02:18:10,479
ask the public if they still want to do
this because I'm hearing a lot of

1607
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:15,679
different things. Um, you're assuming
you still have the support now.

1608
02:18:13,439 --> 02:18:21,920
You
might want to reevaluate that.

1609
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:27,439
» Just a suggestion.
>> It is continuously being re-evaluated.

1610
02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:30,960
Thank you very much.
>> Not to me. I'm saying the taxpayer

1611
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:36,319
» talking.
>> Okay,

1612
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:43,439
moving on. 5.11.
>> So, I just wanted to also raise this one

1613
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:47,840
as a another opportunity to um um
provide kudos to our administration for

1614
02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:52,639
all the amazing work they did on our uh
ASB summer tour. This letter says things

1615
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:57,200
like uh she felt it was incredibly
valuable. She saw excellent examples of

1616
02:18:55,120 --> 02:19:01,760
egg innovation, entrepreneurship,
education, and economic development work

1617
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:07,840
working together to strengthen rural
communities. Um, and just that uh

1618
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:11,920
opportunities like this help other
municipalities broaden understanding of

1619
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:19,280
what is possible in rural communities.
And I just think those words are so um

1620
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:24,880
powerful and and um yeah, I'm just
incredibly proud of our team and uh and

1621
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:30,160
I know it was a lot to ask for them to
add that onto their responsibilities,

1622
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:36,319
but uh my goodness, letters like this
really show that the worth of that

1623
02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:41,519
project and and how how it resonated
with people. And so I'm so very glad

1624
02:19:38,319 --> 02:19:45,920
that we did it and just
Kudos again to our staff,

1625
02:19:43,679 --> 02:19:49,840
» councelor Bigger.
>> So, we have um and I don't know if they

1626
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:53,200
still do it. I remember that we had to
write something up for RMA about

1627
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:56,960
Wheatland County because they'll go
through the flips.

1628
02:19:55,200 --> 02:20:00,720
» Sir, do we get asked every year for that
or once a year or how do we how does how

1629
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:06,800
does that work?
>> Yeah, at RMA they have always up on the

1630
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:11,280
screen profile community profile type
thing and I think we've had Rosebud on

1631
02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:17,920
there for a lot of times. There was the
Cheeto Cheeto one year. Um, and so I

1632
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:22,880
wonder if we could reach out to RMA and
just to say um, for our community

1633
02:20:20,479 --> 02:20:25,920
profile, we'd like to highlight our ASB
summer tour.

1634
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:28,319
» Okay. We'll administration will follow
up on that and see what we can do. Okay.

1635
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:30,560
Thank you.
>> And encourage someone else to do the

1636
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:32,880
next one.
>> Yeah, exactly.

1637
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:35,439
» Councelor Clayton,
>> were you Was your hand up? Sorry, I

1638
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:37,359
caught you out of the corner of my eye.
>> No.

1639
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:44,680
» Okay.
Okay.

1640
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:44,680
» Yeah. I going to say uh I was spect

1641
02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:50,800
as successful as it was, but it just
kind of worked with the amount of people

1642
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:54,000
that we had and everybody wasn't rushed.
Nobody seemed to be pushed around or

1643
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:58,720
anything like that. Everybody got a
chance to engage and it was good

1644
02:20:56,640 --> 02:21:03,280
weather. It worked out really well. Um
I'm glad we're not going to do another

1645
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:08,560
one for a long time. Um, you know, and
this was the first municipality since CO

1646
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:11,520
to try it and and you know, I think it
showed that it still works and hopefully

1647
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:14,560
another municipality will pick it up and
and run with it. It sounds like there

1648
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:17,760
might be one in the works, but we'll see
how that works out. It's definitely a

1649
02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:22,479
good way to network. It's a good way to
focus on agriculture for a few days in

1650
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:25,520
the area that you're in. And uh, you
know, the people that come out just as

1651
02:21:24,080 --> 02:21:28,880
SAG service board members, so they may
not be elected officials. they could be

1652
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:32,399
to, you know, local producers from an
area and they learn different things and

1653
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:38,479
it's it it helps and for the cost it was
really cost effective. So yeah,

1654
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:41,880
fantastic.
Anything else?

1655
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:50,160
Uh Wayland Chamber of Commerce, State of
the Region Invitation 513.

1656
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:55,280
» I also thought we should pull this out
and talk about it. It's an interesting

1657
02:21:52,560 --> 02:22:01,040
uh program and it made me kind of regret
that maybe we don't sit on that board to

1658
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:07,120
um to contribute. I I don't know whether
Wheatland County has been approached to

1659
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:10,479
um we have a lot of it says big things
are happening in our region and I would

1660
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:14,479
say Wheatland County is a big part of
that and so I don't know whether they

1661
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:20,399
have reached out to our administration
to to ask us about

1662
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:26,560
um different things going on and whether
they will highlight those in this state

1663
02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:31,600
of the region. Um, so it's just a a
question about whether

1664
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:34,960
whether we've had any communication on
this.

1665
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:42,319
» So, we haven't. I'm glad they're doing
this, but being on the board, I really

1666
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:50,000
felt that it needed more businesses on
that board, not not counselors or or

1667
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:56,000
staff. It needed businesses to get
involved in order to that to um bring

1668
02:22:53,439 --> 02:23:02,399
change because that's what it it's got
about. It's it's it'd be nice if we had

1669
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:06,720
a wheatland business on there. Uh we did
have but I believe they've sold and

1670
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:11,359
moved on. So that was the reasoning for
taking us off that board. And I still

1671
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:15,359
believe that it should be businesses
running it.

1672
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:20,160
» I I agree with that. I just uh and it
used to be that we had an economic

1673
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:24,399
development officer who would sit would
at least participate would listen in on

1674
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:29,680
their meetings or um and so if we'd had
that kind of connection maybe could have

1675
02:23:27,439 --> 02:23:34,240
been included better in this. I'm not
sure whether that's there's value in

1676
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:40,080
that or not
through the reap to council. We do have

1677
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:43,680
um someone attending by invite not on
the particular meetings with the

1678
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:46,880
community futures but we've had several
meetings because they're trying to still

1679
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:52,479
coordinate
when we had that meeting for invest

1680
02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:57,439
Alberta with um MLA de Jang they still
want to do a regional approach with some

1681
02:23:54,399 --> 02:24:02,640
of this and so we've been working with
um community futures on attracting local

1682
02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:08,000
business for business renewal with um
invest Alberta and with um rural

1683
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:10,800
another business um opportunity prairies
can.

1684
02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:12,479
» Yes. So I'm just talking though about uh
chamber.

1685
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:16,080
» Yes. No, but
>> but I am on the community.

1686
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:20,080
» So what we're doing is when is to
councelor deputy ree la is we're working

1687
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:24,080
with them the best way we can get
information about the county to these

1688
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:28,319
different bodies including the Calgary
region um economic development corridor

1689
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:32,080
as well.
>> The only thing I've seen is this. I have

1690
02:24:30,399 --> 02:24:37,600
not been had a phone call about it. you
know, if they want us to speak or do a

1691
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:40,720
presentation or anything like that. Um,
and it's I was kind of wondering if I if

1692
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:44,880
we should be going because it might be
just for Strathmore, you know, I'm

1693
02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:47,520
supportive of that. That's fine. But,
you know, it's there's they say

1694
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:50,319
Strathmore Wheatland Chamber of
Commerce, but is how much is Wheatland?

1695
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:55,200
I don't know anymore. It doesn't sound
like a bunch. So,

1696
02:24:52,960 --> 02:25:01,280
and we're not members anymore. That was
a previous council's decision, I think.

1697
02:24:57,200 --> 02:25:05,680
Yeah. Yeah. So, um, it looks like if we
attend, we have to pay the membership

1698
02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:10,080
non-member fee to go. Um, I don't know
if that would be included as part of our

1699
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:14,880
PDM if we went or be on your own. That'd
be something council needs to know. We

1700
02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:19,520
can send an email about it after. Yeah.
To find out so council can know if they

1701
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:22,399
want to go or and and what role they
represent, if they're just representing

1702
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:28,080
themselves as John Q public or as a
council member. Does that sound fair?

1703
02:25:25,439 --> 02:25:32,960
» Okay. So, one thing you could do is if
you become a member,

1704
02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:38,479
if you are a business, you would be
notified of any emails and changes and

1705
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:41,680
it could be brought to every board if we
become a actual member the county of

1706
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:45,000
Wheelland.
>> Right.

1707
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:45,000
» Yeah.

1708
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:55,359
» Anything else on that?
>> Okay. Moving on to the Legion. I just

1709
02:25:51,359 --> 02:26:01,920
asked basically in the same line of um
what role we play in this. Is it John Q

1710
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:05,560
public or is this a council thing?
What does council wish?

1711
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:14,880
» I I think it should be just if you're
individually wanting to support it then

1712
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:17,880
it should be as a member of the public
personally.

1713
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:28,920
Fair enough.
That's all I need to know.

1714
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:36,080
Anything else?
Have the motions. We are done with the

1715
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:42,080
consent agenda. We'll move on to council
reports and related business. My reports

1716
02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:47,600
first. Um very
the only board that I attend is Drum

1717
02:26:44,080 --> 02:26:53,760
Howard District Solid Waste. We're um
going through changes with um as the

1718
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:58,000
name eludes me the the recycling that is
being done by the province of Alberta um

1719
02:26:56,240 --> 02:27:01,520
on residential pickup. There is no
commercial involved. So we're talking

1720
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:05,920
about how does that look in the future?
Does uh the drum district solid waste

1721
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:09,520
want to be provided services to
business? How are we going to do that?

1722
02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:14,560
Looking at full cost recovery is it
comparable to private sector? That kind

1723
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:19,040
of stuff. So that affects um staffing.
that affects a lot of things, but we

1724
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:21,600
know um rolling out this fall that the
residential component of that is taken

1725
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:24,800
away from the province and we're
actually getting revenue from it through

1726
02:27:22,960 --> 02:27:27,760
our collection sites which include
Wheatland County, our transfer sites and

1727
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:32,800
things like that. So, there'll be some
revenue coming back. Um attended the

1728
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:36,800
groundbreaking ceremonies at True North
and uh Strathmore Community Care, which

1729
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:42,960
I think is fantastic. It's it's more
levels of uh service um provided through

1730
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:50,920
private sector which some people may
disagree with but if there's a need it's

1731
02:27:45,680 --> 02:27:50,920
getting filled in a different way. Um

1732
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:59,760
yeah there's anything in there you want
to ask me please do. If not do I have to

1733
02:27:56,640 --> 02:28:02,240
make a motion to accept as presented?
I'll make a motion to accept as

1734
02:28:00,960 --> 02:28:08,399
presented. Okay.
>> Just a just a comment. I don't know if

1735
02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:15,200
you've uh seen um RMA iso is sponsoring
or hosting um a webinar about the uh

1736
02:28:12,640 --> 02:28:19,359
extended producer responsibility on next
Thursday. So I'm signed up for doing

1737
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:23,280
that and it should be interesting.
>> I've been on probably 30 of those in the

1738
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:27,600
last couple years and uh it's
interesting. It's the same repetitive

1739
02:28:24,880 --> 02:28:30,800
and the same issues keep coming up like
because we're so far away from the big

1740
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:34,399
urban centers, we're getting deal with
less. That's just how it works. But what

1741
02:28:33,359 --> 02:28:37,760
they say and what they do are two
totally different things. But I'm hoping

1742
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:42,479
it gets worked out. Um, everybody thinks
it's going to work perfect. But we had a

1743
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:47,840
whole recycling that was done by a
dedicated group of volunteers and

1744
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:51,359
uh boards that were looking after this
and then it's basically taken away from

1745
02:28:49,359 --> 02:28:54,080
them. There's a lot of animosity there
about how it's going to work and

1746
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:59,200
suspicion if it's going to work, but
they assure us it's going to work.

1747
02:28:57,120 --> 02:29:03,120
And uh we're not the only ones. I talked
to Vulcan Regional District and they're

1748
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:06,240
all the same. So, but yeah, I've been on
a few of those. But for council to be

1749
02:29:04,399 --> 02:29:12,240
aware of them, absolutely. It's it's an
interesting program. Um, basically it's

1750
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:15,439
user pay. It's from when you buy a
bottle of shampoo or whatever, that's

1751
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:18,640
going to have an extra fee on it that
includes recycling. So, you're paying

1752
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:22,720
for it as a producer. And then they
built this whole infrastructure behind

1753
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:28,000
it to to cap to do that. Some of the
interesting is the co-mingling. So, for

1754
02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:31,520
years, we would put uh cardboard and
glass separate. Now, they say, "No, no,

1755
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:36,880
it's okay. Put it all together." Well,
and as operationalized, we have bailers.

1756
02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:40,160
You can't It's a totally different staff
working there. If you're going to put

1757
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:45,120
glass in a BOR and have somebody work
with it, it's a safety issues are like

1758
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:50,720
totally different. Not to mention fires
and things like that like this. We'll

1759
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:56,880
see how it works.
Yeah. So, there's all kinds of stuff.

1760
02:29:53,439 --> 02:30:00,280
Yeah. Anything else?
Call a question.

1761
02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:24,160
That's carried 7.2.
>> Uh, so my report is on page 196 and um I

1762
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:29,840
guess I I'll just again the egg service
board summer tour was phenomenal.

1763
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:34,399
I was able to do a few things. Um,
standard library fundraiser. I helped

1764
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:40,640
out uh selling 50/50s. That was a lovely
day. Foodyard is a new um franchise

1765
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:46,160
restaurant in Gleian that opened this
summer and so I was able to go for their

1766
02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:50,800
opening day. Couple of events that I
missed that I'm very grateful for

1767
02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:55,760
counselor Hebs to have attended. Uh St.
Andrews Anglican Church in Gleian

1768
02:30:52,720 --> 02:31:00,640
celebrated their 140th anniversary. So
that was a huge milestone for them and

1769
02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:08,479
uh yeah really too bad I I missed it but
um thank you to councelor Hebs and again

1770
02:31:05,359 --> 02:31:15,280
he attended the Gle and uh Reef Clawson
attended Glacian Fire Department open

1771
02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:19,840
house um August 30th we were heavy into
farming at that time so sadly I wasn't

1772
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:26,319
able to go but uh I really wanted to
just um convey my respect and admiration

1773
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:30,560
for the work that they do there and uh
especially following that big fire that

1774
02:31:28,319 --> 02:31:36,960
happened in Gleian and so they did an
amazing job and um so grateful for them.

1775
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:42,960
So that's about all. I'll uh move my
reports as presented.

1776
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:46,520
» Thank you. Any questions?
>> We'll call a question.

1777
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:07,520
That's carried. 7.3 division two.
>> Um, you know, seed plant meeting. That's

1778
02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:12,720
that's always good. I I always go back
to how it's nice to, you know, to get to

1779
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:16,720
talk to the frontline guys that are out
there, you know, putting the crop in and

1780
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:21,280
cleaning the seed. And, uh, July 7th, I
forgot to put the night and gale open

1781
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:29,120
house on my, um, on my report, but it's
there. Um, the ASB tour of course was

1782
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:33,680
wonderful and and kudos to staff, but I
also think that our chair here should uh

1783
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:38,399
get some kudos for that too because she
worked very very hard and had to twist

1784
02:32:35,920 --> 02:32:43,359
some arms and uh so thanks Shannon for
putting us on the map. Um,

1785
02:32:41,680 --> 02:32:48,080
you know, the ASB tour is really
wonderful to go see some of the local

1786
02:32:44,880 --> 02:32:53,439
things. On July 21st, I reached out to
the Taber mayor and um the reason I did

1787
02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:58,640
was because some of this municipal
policing. So Taber actually has their

1788
02:32:55,760 --> 02:33:04,319
own police force and have had for 123
years. So he um I spent about 90 minutes

1789
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:09,200
on the phone with a gentleman. His
name's Andrew Pro. And um they've never

1790
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:13,760
had the RCMP. They've always had their
own police. And he he he's got some

1791
02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:18,479
pluses and minuses. They all live in the
community. They live. So I didn't break

1792
02:33:16,800 --> 02:33:23,200
it down like do you live in Taber and
Lebridge or Taber but anyhow I live in

1793
02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:26,560
the community. So I'd actually am
planning to go meet the gentleman

1794
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:30,560
sometime in the next month or two. So if
anybody from this county or I thought

1795
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:36,080
even maybe I should reach out to the
town and see if some a town counselor

1796
02:33:32,960 --> 02:33:40,240
wants to go. I mean I don't think it's
going to go anywhere but

1797
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:44,960
nothing ventured nothing gained. So I
thought I'd look into that. Uh July 25th

1798
02:33:43,359 --> 02:33:50,240
was a Gleian Show and Shine and the
Rocky Ford Rodeo. July 31st was the

1799
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:54,960
Strathmore Rodeo, the parade. That was
fun.

1800
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:59,600
Um August 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Strathmore
Rodeo. I also would like to congratulate

1801
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:05,120
the Gleian Church. I mean, that's the
same building 140 years, right? So never

1802
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:10,160
it hasn't been by fire or floods or and
they've uh they put in a new stained

1803
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:14,280
glass window and um and I didn't get
struck by lightning. So,

1804
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:23,120
um, August 11th council meeting, 18th
MPC. Um, we had the special meeting to

1805
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:28,560
appoint the RSB rep, which I'm glad to
get him back. We got the legend back for

1806
02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:34,160
a while. Um, August 26th was the True
North Shasta lunch with MLA D. Young and

1807
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:38,800
Minister Nudorf and ADM Williams. August
30th, I went to the Gleian firefighters

1808
02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:42,399
lunchon and um I also I got to shake
every one of those gentlemen's hand and

1809
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:45,040
and I think we need to always be
supporting our frontline guys

1810
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:51,439
» and ladies
>> and ladies even if sometimes that is

1811
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:56,880
putting our own, you know, um our own
issues aside enough to just prevent

1812
02:34:53,760 --> 02:35:00,800
present a united front to those guys and
ladies.

1813
02:34:58,960 --> 02:35:08,960
And with that, I would any questions?
I'd like to pres move my motion as read.

1814
02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:12,520
Any questions?
I'll call a question.

1815
02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:30,000
» That's carrying division three.
>> Yes. Um my reports on the server for

1816
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:33,520
August. I completely forgot about July
and

1817
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:40,000
I don't know um don't know what happened
to it. Just didn't happen. I guess uh

1818
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:45,120
everything's the same as um that you
guys were all at except for the RCMP

1819
02:35:42,479 --> 02:35:51,840
coloring contest which they do every
year and there was um there's they do it

1820
02:35:48,720 --> 02:35:56,240
for four categories for four winners and
all the winners were this year just

1821
02:35:53,520 --> 02:36:02,240
happened to be all from Carsland. So we
went I went there and uh helped them the

1822
02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:09,040
RCMP present it to the kids.
Yeah, it was really good and um yeah

1823
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:15,040
that's about it. All the rest has been
spoken about. So I'll move my uh report

1824
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:21,080
is presented.
>> Any questions?

1825
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:21,080
Call a question.

1826
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:33,080
That's carried. To change it up a bit,
we'll go to division 7.

1827
02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:52,040
Thank you. Any questions?
I'll call the question.

1828
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:09,720
that's carried division Six.

1829
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:34,720
» Put your mic on.
>> Microphone needs sir.

1830
02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:39,439
» Uh, anything special? Well, the open
house I thought at night and gale was

1831
02:37:37,359 --> 02:37:44,960
was fairly well attended. Some good
questions that were there.

1832
02:37:42,319 --> 02:37:51,040
Uh was at the Rocky Ford rodeo at the
parade. The highlight of I guess for the

1833
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:57,800
summer was the farm family award at the
stampede.

1834
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:57,800
The Tom and Donna Christensen family

1835
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:05,120
award. I don't know if had all their
kids there. I think they were missing

1836
02:38:01,840 --> 02:38:11,760
one maybe. Uh
yeah, it's uh quite a difference to

1837
02:38:08,960 --> 02:38:16,880
center from from the first early years.
It's quite a building that uh they were

1838
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:21,760
highly appreciative
as you can imagine.

1839
02:38:19,439 --> 02:38:29,560
And uh
yeah, the lunchon with Minister Nord off

1840
02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:29,560
I thought was uh

1841
02:38:29,760 --> 02:38:39,399
was very good reaching out for the
community. I thought that that took a

1842
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:39,399
lot. My only uh

1843
02:38:40,479 --> 02:38:47,359
I could have could have made a
suggestion. There are three other

1844
02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:51,439
members of the of the community there
too that they weren't weren't there.

1845
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:55,760
Would have been nice to include the
villages too.

1846
02:38:53,680 --> 02:39:01,200
And if there's no questions, I'll move
my report as uh

1847
02:38:58,800 --> 02:39:05,760
as submitted.
>> Thank you. Any questions?

1848
02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:10,160
I'll just make a comment about that
meeting. It was set up by the MLA De

1849
02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:14,319
Jong's office. We had zero input into on
that. They just told us where to be and

1850
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:17,680
when. And I when I when it originally
came forward, I suggested that there was

1851
02:39:15,920 --> 02:39:23,040
other ones that were in the area and
that's the way they went. So,

1852
02:39:20,960 --> 02:39:27,200
the effort was there just didn't happen.
So, probably just the size. Um, and I

1853
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:31,359
just want to mention the open house at
night and gale because we've kind of

1854
02:39:29,439 --> 02:39:36,240
gone to this different format and I just
want to say to council next time we have

1855
02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:40,560
one, whoever's area it is, you can share
it. I'm not I'm the reb I will just sit

1856
02:39:38,560 --> 02:39:43,200
back and be another counselor, but when
it's in your area, I think you should

1857
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:45,840
share it.
>> Yeah,

1858
02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:49,680
» it's your it's your show, not mine.
>> And I apologize for that. I I should

1859
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:52,800
have done done that. I was my intent at
the start, but it just kind of went the

1860
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:56,800
other way. Um, but I'm just saying that
right now. So that's your your show.

1861
02:39:54,960 --> 02:40:00,560
Yeah, because I know when I was at
yours, it was your show and Yeah. So it

1862
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:04,399
was just I was kind of frazzled that
day. So I apologize about that, but

1863
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:10,840
that'll be the way it's from this point
forward. Anything else?

1864
02:40:07,359 --> 02:40:10,840
Call a question.

1865
02:40:17,040 --> 02:40:26,160
» And last but not least, division four.
things I didn't write down. I guess

1866
02:40:23,280 --> 02:40:29,920
» your microphone, please. Thank you.
>> Yeah, there are a few things I didn't

1867
02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:33,439
write down, including the the
Nightingale

1868
02:40:31,439 --> 02:40:38,800
open house, which was actually quite
quite good and well attended.

1869
02:40:35,840 --> 02:40:42,800
Uh the regular council meetings, uh
Wheatland Housing Management Board

1870
02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:47,840
meetings that we've had, municipal
planning commission,

1871
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:54,319
and public presentation, and the tour
that we had, uh they

1872
02:40:51,439 --> 02:40:58,479
Shannon, excellent. I I couldn't care
who hears it, but you did a wonderful

1873
02:40:56,000 --> 02:41:06,800
job. Just awesome.
Anyway, same with staff. But the U Mary

1874
02:41:03,359 --> 02:41:11,040
Gold Library uh had a meeting and one of
the things I'd like to mention coming

1875
02:41:08,960 --> 02:41:17,280
out of that meeting,
there should be no budget increase from

1876
02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:22,479
Marold Library. So take that into
account when you're making the budget

1877
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:28,960
coming up. Uh we asked that question
before and it looks like with all the

1878
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:35,200
changes under that bill 23, there's
should be no [snorts] changes to our

1879
02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:42,960
particular marold library area. Uh two
north and shasta opening was there.

1880
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:49,040
And I'd like to bring up
one item. I was phoned by a lo local

1881
02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:53,359
resident
and it was just the other day so I

1882
02:41:51,840 --> 02:42:01,120
didn't get a chance to put in the report
but the uh Origins uh industrial park on

1883
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:07,520
the east side
has some water drainage from the site

1884
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:13,359
going down number one highway ditch and
back into property in that area. And if

1885
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:21,840
you could look after trying to take a
look at that would be appreciated.

1886
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:25,520
It's u just a concern. [laughter]
>> CL bars

1887
02:42:22,800 --> 02:42:29,439
» three through the reef to councelor um
clean. It's well underway. We've been

1888
02:42:27,840 --> 02:42:32,640
already out there had them shut the
sprinklers off and it's being

1889
02:42:30,800 --> 02:42:38,720
investigated and we are working with
origin and the lot owner association.

1890
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:45,200
Thank you very much.
And uh that concludes my report. Uh I

1891
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:49,680
move it be accepted as presented.
>> Thank you. Motion on the floor. Any

1892
02:42:46,720 --> 02:42:54,960
questions? I've also noticed that storm
pond they're using water out of there to

1893
02:42:51,840 --> 02:42:58,640
water the construction site at DH. I see
there's a truck there just about 24

1894
02:42:56,720 --> 02:43:02,800
hours a day. So that's a good way to get
rid of the water. Um so it's actually

1895
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:07,520
being put to use for something other
than washing the ditch of the highway.

1896
02:43:05,812 --> 02:43:13,240
» [gasps]
>> I say that sarcastically. Okay, I'll

1897
02:43:09,920 --> 02:43:13,240
call the question.

1898
02:43:19,200 --> 02:43:25,200
Good. That's carried. Does council want
to lunches here?

1899
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:28,520
» Yeah, might just go.
>> Pardon me.

1900
02:43:28,640 --> 02:43:33,359
» Sure. We can do one more report.
Absolutely.

1901
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:36,160
This is the Wheatland Winds. Dave's
here.

1902
02:43:37,280 --> 02:43:40,600
auction rules.

1903
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:49,600
Um, morning council Dave for
administration. Um, presenting the

1904
02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:53,279
Wheatland Wind Community Benefit
Scholarship uh supports educational

1905
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:57,600
aspirations to students within Weeden
County Area Schools by awarding at least

1906
02:43:55,840 --> 02:44:02,479
one university or college scholarship
each year. Um this scholarship uh

1907
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:07,600
recognizes and rewards high achieving
students pursuing um studies in science,

1908
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:11,439
technology, engineering or mathematics.
Uh representatives from Wheatland Wind

1909
02:44:09,680 --> 02:44:15,920
and the county administration conducted
a thorough review of seven seven

1910
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:22,160
submissions and are pleased to recommend
awarding $2,000 scholarships to Katie

1911
02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:26,319
Harter and Kelsey Scott. That concludes
my presentation.

1912
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:30,600
» Thank you. Council questions.
>> Excellent. also wishes

1913
02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:37,520
» just a question. So are those do they
have to be county residents to qualify

1914
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:43,200
or can they be town and villages as
well? Thanks

1915
02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:49,120
» it in the agreement it's wheelland
county like golden hills schools. So

1916
02:44:46,560 --> 02:44:53,359
» which includes acme and yeah something
like that. Yeah.

1917
02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:57,040
I'll move that uh council approve the
Wheatland Wind Community Benefit

1918
02:44:54,800 --> 02:45:00,479
scholarships of $2,000 each to Katie
Harter and Kelsey Scott.

1919
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:06,920
» Thank you. Motion on the floor. Any
discussion?

1920
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:06,920
» I will call the question.

1921
02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:17,200
And that's carried. And with that, we
will break for lunch for 45 minutes.

1922
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:22,200
Does that work for everybody? It's what
we've been doing lately. So, come back

1923
02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:22,200
at 12:45.

1924
02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:41,120
Welcome back. We'll resume council
meeting for September 8, 2026 where we

1925
02:45:36,880 --> 02:45:47,760
left off. We're on to new business 8.1
8.2 20 uh decommissioning of legacy VHF

1926
02:45:44,960 --> 02:45:51,160
radio system.
Welcome, sir.

1927
02:45:51,279 --> 02:45:56,600
Good afternoon. Just move the screen
here.

1928
02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:11,600
Uh, thank you, Reeve. Uh, members,
council, my name is Tom. I'm here with

1929
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:17,040
administration. I'm here today to report
on the decommissioning of the legacy VHF

1930
02:46:14,479 --> 02:46:21,920
radio system which you can find on page
211 of your council report.

1931
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:26,160
We're here with this presentation as
followup from the April 15, 2025 regular

1932
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:30,479
council meeting in which council
considered and approved the radio

1933
02:46:27,439 --> 02:46:34,160
communic communication system report. As
part of that approval, council passed a

1934
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:36,720
resolution directing the administration
prepare recommendations for

1935
02:46:35,359 --> 02:46:41,920
decommissioning and disposal of
equipment associated with the existing

1936
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:44,960
radio communication system. Uh here
today, we're seeking council's approval

1937
02:46:43,520 --> 02:46:48,800
to decommission the former radio
communication system by dismantling and

1938
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:51,920
recycling the Clooney and Hammer Hill
towers and any additional radio

1939
02:46:50,399 --> 02:46:56,160
equipment that cannot be effectively
repurposed. Um just speaking of

1940
02:46:53,760 --> 02:47:01,439
repurposing, our public works still uses
the VHF radio system. Their equipment is

1941
02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:05,520
set up on the standard tower. Um, we've
already repurposed the mobile radios

1942
02:47:03,279 --> 02:47:08,000
that came out of the fire trucks back to
public works as they had a need and

1943
02:47:06,880 --> 02:47:12,160
there was no point of them spending
money on something we could support them

1944
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:16,880
with. Um, what the plan as part of
decommissioning is the best of the old

1945
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:19,920
equipment is going to be repurposed and
upgrade basically the standard site. So

1946
02:47:18,800 --> 02:47:24,800
that way if they have something that's
from 1998 and we have something that was

1947
02:47:22,240 --> 02:47:29,520
purchased in 2008 and is 10 years newer,
they're going to take the best of the

1948
02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:35,359
old um as part of that. Um for the
actual report itself, um we are within

1949
02:47:32,399 --> 02:47:41,520
budget still of that that initial um ask
that was given by council of $920,000.

1950
02:47:38,720 --> 02:47:46,240
Uh to date we've spent 826,000
uh leaving 94,000 remaining uh which is

1951
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:50,399
more than sufficient for the removal of
the two tower sites. Um, and we're still

1952
02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:52,800
expected to be under budget. Um, that's
the report and I'll gladly answer any

1953
02:47:51,680 --> 02:47:57,240
questions.
>> Thank you. Any questions?

1954
02:47:58,399 --> 02:48:02,800
» I'll move that council approves
administration to decommission and

1955
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:08,240
dispose [clears throat] of equipment
from the legacy very high frequency

1956
02:48:06,319 --> 02:48:11,920
radio communication system in accordance
with county policy.

1957
02:48:10,479 --> 02:48:18,399
» Thank you. Motion the fourth question,
Councelor Heps. So, um, we're going to

1958
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:23,120
keep those VHF radios for our for other
staff to use. Does that So, is there a

1959
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:27,319
backup towers? Obviously, we don't need
though the towers that you're going to

1960
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:27,319
decommission

1961
02:48:27,920 --> 02:48:34,000
uh through the chair to the councelor.
Um, so the public works system has

1962
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:37,680
always worked off that single um
standard site. The other four towers,

1963
02:48:36,160 --> 02:48:40,880
three of which were in service, one
never went into service, were never part

1964
02:48:39,520 --> 02:48:45,840
of that public works system. So, this
will be only decommissioning the fire uh

1965
02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:49,120
portions of it and the mobile repeaters
or mobile repeaters, sorry, mobile

1966
02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:52,720
radios have already been uh repurposed
to them. They don't utilize the portable

1967
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:56,000
radios. So, that'll be one of the items
that will go into an ecycle type

1968
02:48:54,720 --> 02:49:04,120
program.
>> Thank you. Any other questions?

1969
02:49:00,640 --> 02:49:04,120
I'll call question.

1970
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:25,279
That's carried. Thank you.
Uh 8.3 Redland Water Servicing

1971
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:31,200
Infrastructure Capital Budget
Allocation.

1972
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:34,240
It's all about Redland today.
>> Good afternoon, council. Jose Porio

1973
02:49:32,800 --> 02:49:37,680
Quervo with administration here
presenting the Redland water servicing

1974
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:46,160
infrastructure capital budget
allocation. Um this is a short report

1975
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:50,560
just allocating uh funds to
um put into the capital project for the

1976
02:49:48,880 --> 02:49:57,840
construction of the Redland project in
the case we get the minimum number of uh

1977
02:49:54,160 --> 02:50:02,399
of deposits. So uh we are seeking
council approval to establish 2026

1978
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:06,160
capital project and budget for the
initial redland water servicing

1979
02:50:03,840 --> 02:50:10,319
infrastructure uh subject to prior
approval of the applicable redland

1980
02:50:08,319 --> 02:50:15,200
utility bylaw which was passed earlier
today and I'm here for any questions.

1981
02:50:13,279 --> 02:50:19,359
» Thank you. A follow up from the
discussion this morning the project now

1982
02:50:17,520 --> 02:50:22,840
there's some funds to be allocated to
it. Councelor Kester

1983
02:50:23,040 --> 02:50:28,960
» just one question. Have you approached
anybody in Redland yet if they wanted

1984
02:50:26,960 --> 02:50:33,120
water?
>> Uh through the chair just through the

1985
02:50:30,640 --> 02:50:38,000
previous engagements. Nothing for this
reason. No, not this one.

1986
02:50:36,319 --> 02:50:42,720
» Because I was talking to some of them
and they didn't know nothing going on.

1987
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:48,479
So I didn't talk anymore. So you all
fill them in. Okay.

1988
02:50:45,680 --> 02:50:53,960
Uh, the council approved a new capital
project for 2026 with a budget of

1989
02:50:50,960 --> 02:50:53,960
1,189,475

1990
02:50:55,120 --> 02:51:01,279
for the installation of a new water
infrastructure for the community of

1991
02:50:58,880 --> 02:51:04,399
Redland.
>> Thank you. Motion the floor. Council

1992
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:10,240
discussion. Councelor HS.
>> Just a question for staff. Um, so

1993
02:51:08,479 --> 02:51:17,399
how come this wasn't in the budget or
was it like why do we need to do this in

1994
02:51:12,800 --> 02:51:17,399
such an ad hoc manner? Please

1995
02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:32,000
» through the chair. Um this is just a
provision. So, if uh individuals in

1996
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:37,200
Redland came forward with connection
requests and paid the connection fee in

1997
02:51:35,279 --> 02:51:42,479
accordance with the bylaws that were
approved uh earlier in this meeting, um

1998
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:47,760
the county or administration would need
to have budget there in order to proceed

1999
02:51:44,960 --> 02:51:52,479
with the engineering and drawings and
construction related to that project.

2000
02:51:49,520 --> 02:51:58,479
And so this budget will essentially just
sit here um until that threshold of

2001
02:51:56,160 --> 02:52:05,640
connections is reached and once it is
then it gives the administration the

2002
02:52:00,960 --> 02:52:05,640
ability to move ahead with that project.

2003
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:13,920
Thank you. So do we have a time frame
like if you know if it takes a year do

2004
02:52:11,279 --> 02:52:17,319
we come back because by then cost might
be different. Correct.

2005
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:26,479
through the chair. Um just to clarify,
do you mean in terms of uh when we meet

2006
02:52:23,279 --> 02:52:34,240
the threshold of connection requests or
Yeah, we did build a um provision into

2007
02:52:30,319 --> 02:52:42,880
the utility bylaw that if we get
connection requests and um and uh sorry

2008
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:47,439
uh uh connection fees paid um and let's
say a year passes and we don't have the

2009
02:52:45,359 --> 02:52:51,120
threshold of five connections, the
county will just refund and the

2010
02:52:49,040 --> 02:52:54,800
connection fees that we've received to
date. That helps the county in case

2011
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:58,240
costs change and we need to update the
bylaw. And it also helps the residents

2012
02:52:56,560 --> 02:53:03,600
that are not sitting there and the
county's holding their connection fee

2013
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:06,960
hostage for uh you know years before
before we go and uh install the

2014
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:10,479
infrastructure. There is a provision
there where the administration will go

2015
02:53:08,800 --> 02:53:16,240
to that individual and say do you want
us to continue retaining this connection

2016
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:19,439
fee? Um and that again that that is
depending on what the connection fee is

2017
02:53:17,760 --> 02:53:22,240
at the time if the council's updated it.
So so there's some provisions in there

2018
02:53:20,800 --> 02:53:25,680
to kind of handle that situation that
you're describing.

2019
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:30,800
Thank you. So in something like that
would we pay simple interest or you know

2020
02:53:28,240 --> 02:53:34,960
because we're holding their money
>> through the chair. The bylaw explicitly

2021
02:53:32,960 --> 02:53:40,800
states that the county will not pay
interest.

2022
02:53:36,319 --> 02:53:44,240
» Thank you. Any other questions?
Yeah, chances of this being done in 2026

2023
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:49,120
are pretty slim, but this gives the
ability if maybe everybody signs

2024
02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:55,040
tomorrow, it can proceed, which I think
is not a bad thing. Um, but there's a

2025
02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:58,920
lot of unknowns here. So, uh, motions on
the floor. I'll call a question.

2026
02:54:11,600 --> 02:54:19,600
Elser Kuster, that's carried. When you
go to uh

2027
02:54:17,920 --> 02:54:22,960
talk to these people in Redland, are you
going to go see them in person? Are you

2028
02:54:21,040 --> 02:54:28,479
going to send them an email or are you
going to

2029
02:54:24,880 --> 02:54:31,760
thought about it yet?
Uh through the chair, we we have thought

2030
02:54:30,160 --> 02:54:36,800
about it. I think likely right now what
we could do is the the the intention is

2031
02:54:34,399 --> 02:54:40,960
to issue a letter to the land owners
within Redland so they're aware of the

2032
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:45,279
new bylaw provisions.
>> Could you CC me?

2033
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:48,680
» Um yeah, we can CC all of council.
>> Okay, thanks.

2034
02:54:48,960 --> 02:54:58,960
» Perfect. Uh move on to 8.4. Spear grass
water treatment plant infllet valve

2035
02:54:55,439 --> 02:55:02,960
inlet flow valves budget adjustment.
Good afternoon, council. Jose again here

2036
02:55:01,200 --> 02:55:06,720
from administration presenting the
sprass water treatment plant inlet flow

2037
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:15,359
valve budget adjustment.
Um, so this one is a uh project capital

2038
02:55:12,080 --> 02:55:21,279
budget uh request to increase the
capital budget to $184,000.

2039
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:25,920
We are doing a a handful of upgrades at
the Speargrass Water Treatment Plant

2040
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:30,960
that were identified during an Alberta
Environment Protected Areas site visit.

2041
02:55:28,720 --> 02:55:34,560
They noted a few deficiencies and so
this is one that we're trying to push

2042
02:55:32,800 --> 02:55:39,439
forward with as soon as possible. It's
considered one of the more critical

2043
02:55:35,840 --> 02:55:44,240
items. Uh we just recently completed an
asset management uh assessment of the

2044
02:55:42,160 --> 02:55:50,000
spear gas water treatment plant and
these valves were identified as having

2045
02:55:46,399 --> 02:55:56,000
only one year remaining of its lifespan
and uh it was also identified by by

2046
02:55:52,720 --> 02:55:59,760
Albert Environment that needed uh needed
to be replaced or sorry not not the

2047
02:55:57,680 --> 02:56:04,319
valves but the meters. So we need to
have meters on the inlet.

2048
02:56:02,319 --> 02:56:07,359
Very quick brief background. Uh the
spear gas water treatment plant requires

2049
02:56:05,680 --> 02:56:12,000
a replacement of two inlet flow control
valves and installation of meters on the

2050
02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:16,319
daff filter trains. The inlet flow
control valves allow each filter train

2051
02:56:13,920 --> 02:56:20,640
to be isolated for required maintenance
while maintaining plant operations. The

2052
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:26,800
meters are necessary to accurately
measure the volume of water entering

2053
02:56:22,479 --> 02:56:30,399
each filter train for treatment. Um,
going down here to the discussion, the

2054
02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:35,520
approved 2026 capital budget includes
$24,000 for engineering and the design

2055
02:56:33,600 --> 02:56:39,520
uh and installation of the inlet flow
valves and meters was originally

2056
02:56:36,960 --> 02:56:43,439
scheduled for next year in 2027 with a
budget allocation of $160,000.

2057
02:56:42,319 --> 02:56:46,800
During the design process,
administration I identified opportunity

2058
02:56:45,359 --> 02:56:51,200
to complete both the engineering and
installation this year. Uh and advancing

2059
02:56:49,520 --> 02:56:55,040
construction will expedite replacement
of the aging inlet flow control valves

2060
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:59,040
as well as address the metering
deficiencies identified by Albert

2061
02:56:57,359 --> 02:57:04,960
Environment.
Um administration is recommending that

2062
02:57:01,920 --> 02:57:09,279
the $160,000 currently planned for 2027
be advanced to 2026. This amendment

2063
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:13,920
would increase the total approved budget
to $184,000.

2064
02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:18,319
And that concludes my presentation and
I'm here for any questions.

2065
02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:22,080
» Thank you. Go ahead.
I'll move that council approve an

2066
02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:28,000
amendment to the 2026 capital budget to
advance 160,000 to the wheatland to the

2067
02:57:25,359 --> 02:57:34,080
spearrass WTP
inlet flow valves project budgeted for

2068
02:57:30,319 --> 02:57:38,840
2027 to 2026 increasing the 2026 project
budget to 284,000.

2069
02:57:39,520 --> 02:57:44,240
» Thank you. Motion four questions. Go
ahead.

2070
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:49,760
» Just a question. So with the asset
management plan, what is the window?

2071
02:57:46,479 --> 02:57:53,520
Like could it be, you know, two years
early or five years late or I mean it's

2072
02:57:52,000 --> 02:57:59,600
your best guess, right? Like we don't
actually physically in inspect those.

2073
02:57:56,720 --> 02:58:04,080
And I don't just mean these particular
valves, but the asset management plan

2074
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:06,800
itself might actually be having us spend
a heck of a lot more money than we have

2075
02:58:05,359 --> 02:58:12,080
to
>> through the chair. That's that's right.

2076
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:15,760
So, we just recently had someone
visually inspect these valves and so

2077
02:58:13,920 --> 02:58:20,960
that's why they know that these valves
are at end of life. Um, but the idea is

2078
02:58:18,960 --> 02:58:25,040
that that asset management program will
have just

2079
02:58:23,279 --> 02:58:31,200
funds available to replace it when it
breaks. So, if this valve magically

2080
02:58:27,439 --> 02:58:34,160
holds on for another 5 years, then on
that fifth year mark, we could we could

2081
02:58:33,120 --> 02:58:37,600
replace it and we have the funds
available. So, that's that's kind of

2082
02:58:35,680 --> 02:58:42,720
where that's in. Not just because it
hits zero doesn't mean necessarily that

2083
02:58:40,080 --> 02:58:46,640
we'll replace it, but that we need to
make sure that there are funds available

2084
02:58:44,880 --> 02:58:50,600
to replace it.
>> Thank you, Councelor Clayton.

2085
02:58:51,359 --> 02:59:01,680
» Just a curious question on how how old
are the valves? And and the reason I'm

2086
02:58:57,520 --> 02:59:08,160
asking is I know that valves have a
lifetime. Usually, it's not the lifetime

2087
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:12,800
of the valve, but it's the the u
internals that usually wear enough that

2088
02:59:11,200 --> 02:59:16,960
you have to either be replaced or
rebuilt.

2089
02:59:15,120 --> 02:59:22,399
Have these been looked at being a
replacement or rebuilt or

2090
02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:26,800
I've got water
raw water valves that are over 50 years

2091
02:59:24,640 --> 02:59:31,920
old that haven't had to be replaced. So,
I'm just curious

2092
02:59:30,319 --> 02:59:36,319
» through the chair. So the valves that
are being replaced, so right now what we

2093
02:59:34,000 --> 02:59:39,760
have there are manual valves. So we
manually have to turn them on and off.

2094
02:59:38,399 --> 02:59:42,800
Uh the valves that we're looking to
replace them with would be upgrades to

2095
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:49,040
that. So they would actually be
connected to our SCADA in that they can

2096
02:59:45,200 --> 02:59:54,080
be controlled uh remotely and that they
would be controlled in such a way that

2097
02:59:51,120 --> 03:00:01,200
the amount of water going into the train
can be can can change. Right now it's

2098
02:59:56,800 --> 03:00:06,479
all it's all manual. The these valves
are from the original construction of

2099
03:00:04,080 --> 03:00:10,319
the water treatment plant and I want to
say they're

2100
03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:13,359
they're approaching
25 years.

2101
03:00:12,640 --> 03:00:17,080
» No,
>> 25.

2102
03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:17,080
» Yeah,

2103
03:00:18,319 --> 03:00:26,240
» it sounds to me it's more like an
upgrade than a replacement. Thanks.

2104
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:35,680
» And there's metering involved, too, that
wasn't there before. So,

2105
03:00:29,920 --> 03:00:41,439
good questions. Um, yeah, go ahead.
>> So, is this a need to replace valves or

2106
03:00:38,319 --> 03:00:45,920
is this we want to upgrade to uh
remotely controlled valves so they'll

2107
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:50,240
fit SCADA?
>> No. So, through the chair, the the

2108
03:00:48,479 --> 03:00:56,240
valves do need to be replaced whether
they're replaced in kind or or upgraded.

2109
03:00:52,960 --> 03:01:00,800
uh we are we've been recommended to
upgrade them. The main piece here that

2110
03:00:58,880 --> 03:01:05,760
we're trying to get or the main reason
for this is the meters. The meters there

2111
03:01:03,520 --> 03:01:10,000
there's no meters going into our uh DA
filter trains. And so in conjunction

2112
03:01:08,479 --> 03:01:14,319
with the meters, we also upgrade the
inlet uh valves

2113
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:18,720
» because 25 years is not that old for a
valve. Is it a globe valve, a needle and

2114
03:01:16,560 --> 03:01:24,000
seat or a ball valve or uh
>> through the chair? It's a globe valve.

2115
03:01:20,399 --> 03:01:24,000
» Globe valve. Okay.

2116
03:01:27,840 --> 03:01:33,640
Any other questions?
Go ahead.

2117
03:01:35,680 --> 03:01:41,040
I'm just thinking if I need a valve at
home

2118
03:01:39,040 --> 03:01:46,880
working my irrigation.
>> I've got a question so I clarify it

2119
03:01:44,880 --> 03:01:53,680
because I get questions from time to
time. We we we passed this motion for

2120
03:01:50,399 --> 03:01:59,520
200,000 plus or minus.
Uh how does it get paid? Like I know

2121
03:01:56,880 --> 03:02:05,040
it's in the general
account like it says here, but when we

2122
03:02:01,840 --> 03:02:10,240
do our books for the audit, does it come
out of general taxation?

2123
03:02:08,479 --> 03:02:14,160
Does it come out of a reserve fund
someplace?

2124
03:02:11,840 --> 03:02:18,640
What happens when the reserve fund runs
empty? All those kind of little

2125
03:02:16,319 --> 03:02:25,520
questions. Can you just clarify for my
rate pairs?

2126
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:29,920
» Uh yes sa Reeves. So any
uh as we collect and add to the reserves

2127
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:34,640
is up to council how you wish to
distribute those afterwards. But uh if

2128
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:40,800
we were to allocate this these funds and
spend them this year, right? Uh it would

2129
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:47,200
likely come from the uh from surplus,
right? From our reserve. So, um, that's

2130
03:02:45,520 --> 03:02:51,439
likely what would be done. Of course,
I'm not on the accounting side to

2131
03:02:49,840 --> 03:02:54,399
actually show how that moves, but that's
likely where it would come from

2132
03:02:52,640 --> 03:02:58,560
initially,
>> not generally from from tax. It's a

2133
03:02:56,399 --> 03:03:04,399
capital project.
>> So, in particular, every time I think

2134
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:09,760
you pay a water bill, there's a
percentage goes to a reserve. It would

2135
03:03:07,359 --> 03:03:14,319
be that reserve that would get tagged on
the balance of

2136
03:03:12,240 --> 03:03:20,800
pieces that go into a water treatment
plant or or

2137
03:03:18,160 --> 03:03:25,600
» Yeah. through the reef. Uh if we've set
up a if we've set up the accounts to run

2138
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:30,000
like that, then yes, we we would have a
reserve specifically dedicated to

2139
03:03:27,439 --> 03:03:34,640
Redland for like replace asset
replacements for instance. But a new

2140
03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:40,240
project like this would come from could
come from any reservoir specifically in

2141
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:45,279
this case the um the unrestricted
surplus

2142
03:03:42,560 --> 03:03:51,600
that answer your question.
>> Well, I get asked from time to time on

2143
03:03:48,560 --> 03:03:55,279
reserves and how they're spent and
especially

2144
03:03:53,200 --> 03:04:02,800
in the hamlets when they're putting
money aside for a reserve. I said,

2145
03:03:58,720 --> 03:04:08,080
'Well, your water plant breaks down.
They got money to fix it, but it sounds

2146
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:12,399
like it's maybe at the call of who's
ever entering the number in which

2147
03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:18,560
reserve you take it out. If it's a
replacement or if it's a upgrade or if

2148
03:04:15,359 --> 03:04:25,840
it's a like this one be maybe be half
upgrade, half replacement, I don't know.

2149
03:04:21,600 --> 03:04:29,840
But uh just something I can tell them
that's better than

2150
03:04:27,920 --> 03:04:34,160
» yeah through the chair uh according to
our reserves policy the allocation or

2151
03:04:32,000 --> 03:04:38,880
what we use that reserve for would be
would apply to that policy. So it would

2152
03:04:36,160 --> 03:04:43,520
be up to council how you would want to
fund specific projects from like for

2153
03:04:41,359 --> 03:04:47,840
instance if we were pre we had planned
this in budget it would come out to x

2154
03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:53,520
reserve that would have been already
preset um and then in the case where we

2155
03:04:51,600 --> 03:04:58,800
are asking for instance for these funds
council could say we could take uh would

2156
03:04:56,720 --> 03:05:06,240
if you would like the the funds to come
out of a general reserve for water

2157
03:05:02,800 --> 03:05:09,760
wastewater services we could do that.
So it's it is up to council at the end

2158
03:05:08,319 --> 03:05:14,319
of the day which reserve you would like
it to come from.

2159
03:05:11,920 --> 03:05:17,920
» But it's coming from a reserve.
>> Yes. To the chair. Uh capital projects

2160
03:05:16,240 --> 03:05:22,080
are typically coming from
>> reserve.

2161
03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:27,960
So it would be prudent on our part to
name a reserve.

2162
03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:27,960
» Really?

2163
03:05:28,640 --> 03:05:36,080
» So what we're what we're hearing is that
it's coming from an unallocated reserve.

2164
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:39,520
Is that correct? as it stands right now
>> uh through the chair. I have to double

2165
03:05:37,439 --> 03:05:45,000
check, but uh that would be my best
guess that it would be coming from the

2166
03:05:40,960 --> 03:05:45,000
from unallocated surplus,

2167
03:05:45,120 --> 03:05:49,479
» councor Clayton, and then councelor
Bigger.

2168
03:05:51,279 --> 03:05:57,840
» I'm having trouble with this coming
forward as a valve replacement project.

2169
03:05:55,920 --> 03:06:04,960
And it's not really a valve replacement
project. It's an upgrade to the inlet of

2170
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:11,840
the treatment plant with meters and a
controllable valve system. And I would

2171
03:06:07,680 --> 03:06:18,520
like to see that uh as what we're
actually going to approve when we do uh

2172
03:06:14,960 --> 03:06:18,520
ask the question.

2173
03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:26,479
» So the way I look at it is um this was
scheduled for 2027. They were going to

2174
03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:31,439
do it in 2026. Either way it was going
to get done and it's it's um environment

2175
03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:36,880
that are asking for those meters or
demanding those meters. So it could be

2176
03:06:34,080 --> 03:06:40,800
it would be capital but either way we
have to put the meters in because that's

2177
03:06:38,080 --> 03:06:46,080
what environment saying. And for the
valve we would have put them in we would

2178
03:06:43,840 --> 03:06:51,920
have replaced it in 2027. We're just
doing it a week a year earlier because

2179
03:06:48,640 --> 03:06:57,520
for some reason it's
failing but it would have been in the

2180
03:06:53,200 --> 03:07:01,840
capital budget next year anyway. So,
>> I'm not disagreeing with that, but let's

2181
03:06:59,279 --> 03:07:07,840
call it what it is is all I'm saying
that uh I think it's very well to be

2182
03:07:05,520 --> 03:07:14,800
done. I've got no no disagreement with
it that way as long as we find our place

2183
03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:20,560
to fund it, but it is not a valve
replacement project.

2184
03:07:17,760 --> 03:07:26,000
It's an upgrade.
>> Go ahead through the chair. But we

2185
03:07:23,520 --> 03:07:30,240
received um we got our engineers to do
two quotes. They they also replace uh

2186
03:07:28,479 --> 03:07:34,080
had a quote to replace in kind. So
that's always that's also the option

2187
03:07:32,160 --> 03:07:40,319
that I can we can go with the
replacement is in kind. Um but if we

2188
03:07:38,080 --> 03:07:45,520
want to do it this year, the the project
budget would have to be increased

2189
03:07:42,960 --> 03:07:50,000
regardless and I can just direct the the
work to be done

2190
03:07:47,760 --> 03:07:53,680
with the
inind valves.

2191
03:07:51,680 --> 03:07:58,399
» Okay. [clears throat] So, let me make
sure I'm understanding this right. So,

2192
03:07:55,840 --> 03:08:03,600
this project that's for Speargrass is
going to get paid for out of reserves.

2193
03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:07,520
It's not going to come from the water
use at Speargrass.

2194
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:11,680
And yet, we're telling the Redland
people that they've got to pay for

2195
03:08:09,200 --> 03:08:16,240
everything. We I mean, we just sat here
for two hours this morning discussing

2196
03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:19,240
that. I I'm confused at how this is
fair.

2197
03:08:23,120 --> 03:08:28,960
Go ahead.
>> Well, it's fair because they take funds

2198
03:08:26,560 --> 03:08:32,279
from us every month and put it into an
actual reserve.

2199
03:08:33,200 --> 03:08:40,000
» We are paying We are paying for it.
>> With all due respect, I'd like

2200
03:08:37,760 --> 03:08:43,439
administration to uh give me an answer
for that please.

2201
03:08:42,000 --> 03:08:46,319
» Uh yeah, through the chair, I think this
might help. So, just getting some

2202
03:08:44,640 --> 03:08:50,160
information. So that that res the
reserve that particular was reserved was

2203
03:08:48,319 --> 03:08:53,520
planned to be depleted this year with
already stuff that's been budgeted. So

2204
03:08:52,240 --> 03:09:00,160
it would need to come from al
unallocated surplus.

2205
03:08:56,800 --> 03:09:04,880
» Okay. But the unallocated surplus that
money was put in there by all the rate

2206
03:09:02,160 --> 03:09:09,200
payers of Wheatland County. Correct.
>> Yeah. So our revenue our surplus revenue

2207
03:09:07,120 --> 03:09:12,160
goes into a reserve and then then from
that point if council wants to

2208
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:15,920
distribute it into other reserves they
can. But currently currently that would

2209
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:18,960
come because it's not in a particular
reserve. It'll be an unallocated

2210
03:09:17,840 --> 03:09:23,120
surplus.
>> So that goes to my point then earlier

2211
03:09:21,200 --> 03:09:27,279
today we went on and on about how
Redlands has to pay for everything and

2212
03:09:25,680 --> 03:09:30,240
no one else should be on the bill and
now we're saying if it's spear grass

2213
03:09:28,800 --> 03:09:34,399
we'll just take it out of reserves and
every rateayer has to pay it. My

2214
03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:40,080
question still remains is how is this
fair?

2215
03:09:37,279 --> 03:09:44,880
So question I would have then is uh
could administration not because we have

2216
03:09:42,080 --> 03:09:50,720
funds coming in through
Spirrass and Cars Land on a on a utility

2217
03:09:48,160 --> 03:09:55,120
bill. We could go into the negative on
that and re transfer the funds back over

2218
03:09:52,800 --> 03:09:57,760
into general
at some point. Is that an accounting

2219
03:09:56,560 --> 03:10:02,960
nightmare? Is that a possible thing?
Just so it's fair. Like I said this a

2220
03:09:59,760 --> 03:10:06,399
long time ago, these individual hamlets
should almost have their own budgets

2221
03:10:04,399 --> 03:10:10,000
because it's your robin from Peter to
pay Paul and then you have people that

2222
03:10:08,160 --> 03:10:15,600
have absolutely no access to those
services that are subsidizing. Go ahead

2223
03:10:12,080 --> 03:10:22,319
Brad through the chair to the chair. Um
something that may be helpful as well I

2224
03:10:17,279 --> 03:10:26,800
think soon forthcoming um uh council
unless I missed this in the last council

2225
03:10:23,760 --> 03:10:33,439
meeting sorry um uh we we'll consider
the utility rates uh between all of the

2226
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:38,080
communities um in that plays the the
operational costs the capital

2227
03:10:35,120 --> 03:10:42,399
replacement costs um existing debentures
that may exist and they're all part of

2228
03:10:39,760 --> 03:10:47,520
those utility bills um and then also
part of that is is subsidy to council uh

2229
03:10:45,760 --> 03:10:52,399
that that the county offers as part of
those utility bills. So, that's all part

2230
03:10:49,359 --> 03:10:56,319
of that broad um discussion too,
including this discussion as well in

2231
03:10:54,479 --> 03:11:02,640
council needing to decide how does it
want to manage capital replacement,

2232
03:10:59,040 --> 03:11:07,920
reserve funds, uh utility billing, uh
subsidization of those of utility bills,

2233
03:11:04,720 --> 03:11:11,760
etc., etc. So, so, um, just just to
offer to council that that is a a major

2234
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:16,720
part of that discussion when when
visiting the utility bills and and how

2235
03:11:13,600 --> 03:11:21,840
much council wants to set those at.
Thank you. Any other questions before we

2236
03:11:19,600 --> 03:11:26,880
call the question?
I think it's good that we uh these

2237
03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:30,960
plants are inspected by a third party,
which is the Alberta Environment. that

2238
03:11:28,960 --> 03:11:33,680
happens on could happen twice a year,
could happen once every 5 years, but

2239
03:11:32,319 --> 03:11:38,080
when they come, I've been through it.
They will recommend upgrades. It's a

2240
03:11:36,080 --> 03:11:41,600
recommendation. It's not a to-do, but
when they recommend something, you

2241
03:11:39,439 --> 03:11:45,920
should probably do it. Um, we have the
funds to be able to do it. This is a

2242
03:11:43,359 --> 03:11:49,600
this is drinking water quality. This is
gives the operations uh more control,

2243
03:11:48,000 --> 03:11:55,040
gives you more, you have to keep track
of water definitely. Um, so I support

2244
03:11:52,880 --> 03:11:58,800
this. How we paid to get the money back.
We have the money now. We could we have

2245
03:11:57,279 --> 03:12:02,640
uh money coming back in from these
municipalities or these sorry hamlets

2246
03:12:01,279 --> 03:12:08,240
that are paying it. We just have to
figure out how to uh replenish that

2247
03:12:04,960 --> 03:12:12,760
funds and that can be done later on.
So with that I will call a question.

2248
03:12:23,359 --> 03:12:36,720
Just wait till after it's
till the vote is done. Please.

2249
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:43,359
If every hamlet has a reserve fund for
water and they're putting money into it

2250
03:12:40,479 --> 03:12:49,520
because they paid their water bill,
would it not be prudent of us to use

2251
03:12:45,920 --> 03:12:55,680
that money to pay for their water
infrastructure?

2252
03:12:51,920 --> 03:13:03,279
It's an easy way to track if we're
a collecting enough money for reserve

2253
03:13:00,160 --> 03:13:07,920
and b why collect a reserve if we're not
going to use it.

2254
03:13:05,760 --> 03:13:13,279
Why leave money sit there and use other
money? I I'm have a hard time here.

2255
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:17,520
Thanks.
Yeah, through the through the reef. Um

2256
03:13:15,359 --> 03:13:20,960
so we are spending that money and in
fact um you know just kind of hearkening

2257
03:13:19,279 --> 03:13:26,960
back to the committee of the whole
meeting those communities are uh they're

2258
03:13:24,319 --> 03:13:31,120
not nowhere near cost recovery. So they
are being subsidized and a significant

2259
03:13:29,200 --> 03:13:35,359
portion of that is being subsidized for
capital projects and capital

2260
03:13:32,800 --> 03:13:42,000
replacement. So a lot of changes need to
happen to shift that more towards having

2261
03:13:38,319 --> 03:13:46,319
that uh that monies in those reserves.
uh whereas um just sort of the sentiment

2262
03:13:44,160 --> 03:13:51,760
that we received for new communities
from council would be to try and achieve

2263
03:13:48,720 --> 03:13:56,160
cost recovery. So that would be some of
the difference there. But um that's why

2264
03:13:54,000 --> 03:14:01,520
in this case it would be coming from
unallocated surpluses because the at the

2265
03:13:58,880 --> 03:14:07,200
end of the year that uh that reserve is
dry.

2266
03:14:03,439 --> 03:14:14,000
I understand that. And then and then I
had no problem with using money to help

2267
03:14:11,040 --> 03:14:20,800
to put into the hamlets. My biggest
concern has always been is to be fair to

2268
03:14:17,600 --> 03:14:27,200
everybody. Now a new pipe versus a new
pipe over there is still a new pipe. A

2269
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:32,239
new community
and an other new community that's 100

2270
03:14:29,760 --> 03:14:38,080
years old doesn't have a pipe are
different things too.

2271
03:14:34,800 --> 03:14:44,800
So I just implore
not staff because you just do what we

2272
03:14:41,600 --> 03:14:50,800
ask you to do but council to be always
cognizant and and try and be fair all

2273
03:14:48,160 --> 03:14:57,520
the time and and look at the big
picture. I don't have a problem with it

2274
03:14:54,880 --> 03:15:04,000
where the money comes from
because money comes from over there and

2275
03:15:00,319 --> 03:15:11,840
can be spent on the approach over here.
that it's that's our job to allocate it,

2276
03:15:07,439 --> 03:15:18,600
but we got to be fair and then that's
Yeah. Thank you for listening to me.

2277
03:15:14,399 --> 03:15:18,600
Probably listen too much today.

2278
03:15:18,739 --> 03:15:24,720
[clears throat] Not that you listen too
much, I talk too much.

2279
03:15:23,120 --> 03:15:28,840
No problem. Uh vote is still in
progress. I don't know who hasn't voted.

2280
03:15:46,239 --> 03:15:53,680
That's carried.
Thank you. We'll move on to 8.5

2281
03:15:50,960 --> 03:16:00,005
watershed resiliency and restoration
program funding advocacy letter.

2282
03:15:57,120 --> 03:16:05,040
Mr. Bullock.
[gasps] Good afternoon, council. Brad

2283
03:16:01,600 --> 03:16:09,520
Bulock presenting uh this report about
the WRRP

2284
03:16:07,359 --> 03:16:13,760
funding advocacy letter. Um this is
something that I believe all of the

2285
03:16:11,120 --> 03:16:20,160
individuals on council have seen before
um at the uh agricultural service board

2286
03:16:16,560 --> 03:16:27,120
meeting in July. Um at that meeting the
the letter was presented and Alice's the

2287
03:16:23,120 --> 03:16:32,080
letter from Alice uh advocating for um
the board and and for council to provide

2288
03:16:29,040 --> 03:16:39,600
a letter letter of support. The draft
letter of support that was um asked for

2289
03:16:36,319 --> 03:16:44,399
by Alice is attached to this report for
council's consideration. And what's

2290
03:16:41,840 --> 03:16:48,479
happening here is the the province has
essentially announced that it will be no

2291
03:16:46,800 --> 03:16:54,960
longer funding or no longer accepting
new applications under the WRP program I

2292
03:16:52,319 --> 03:16:59,680
believe past 2027. So past I think the
existing applications. And so, uh,

2293
03:16:57,840 --> 03:17:05,200
Alice's, uh, their letter is
essentially, um, appealing to the

2294
03:17:02,560 --> 03:17:10,800
province to continue supporting this
program. Um, C administration did

2295
03:17:08,479 --> 03:17:16,720
following the agricultural service board
meeting um, in which at which time the

2296
03:17:14,160 --> 03:17:21,680
board did direct administration to draft
a letter to be signed by the ASB chair

2297
03:17:19,200 --> 03:17:25,600
to be sent to the minister. um at the
same and during that same meeting the

2298
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:30,640
ASB uh asked administration to bring
this matter to council as well. So we're

2299
03:17:28,319 --> 03:17:35,200
kind of doing both at the same time. And
then the letter that administration has

2300
03:17:32,399 --> 03:17:41,439
drafted for council's consideration uh
the proposal is that both the Reeve if

2301
03:17:37,920 --> 03:17:45,040
council were to uh support that and the
ASB chair could support the same letter

2302
03:17:43,120 --> 03:17:48,640
that goes to the minister if um if
council is amendable to that. So that

2303
03:17:47,040 --> 03:17:52,880
concludes my report. I'm here for any
questions.

2304
03:17:49,680 --> 03:17:56,319
» Thank you. Any questions?
Council's wishes.

2305
03:17:54,640 --> 03:18:00,640
» I'll move that Wheatland County Council
authorize the Reeve [clears throat] to

2306
03:17:58,160 --> 03:18:03,680
co-sign with the egg service board chair
the letter to the Minister of

2307
03:18:01,920 --> 03:18:08,160
Environment and Protected Areas in
support of Alice's advocacy regarding

2308
03:18:06,399 --> 03:18:12,640
the discontinuation of the watershed
resiliency and restoration program

2309
03:18:10,080 --> 03:18:18,399
funding.
>> Thank you. Any discussion?

2310
03:18:15,840 --> 03:18:24,000
» I just think it's important. Uh we have
a lot of uh producers in the area who

2311
03:18:21,120 --> 03:18:31,680
use that grant funding to protect our
waterways including Rosebud and Crowoot

2312
03:18:26,560 --> 03:18:38,319
uh water creeks and um so yeah it's a
shame that the province is

2313
03:18:34,399 --> 03:18:43,600
potentially or maybe already has um
wrapped up that program. So, I think

2314
03:18:41,439 --> 03:18:49,040
it's worthwhile to send a letter just to
express our

2315
03:18:45,600 --> 03:18:53,279
disappointment or uh advocacy to do
something else or something to replace

2316
03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:57,600
it or whatever.
>> Thank you. Couldn't have said it better

2317
03:18:55,279 --> 03:19:03,399
myself.
Any other discussion?

2318
03:18:59,680 --> 03:19:03,399
I will call the question.

2319
03:19:10,239 --> 03:19:20,920
That's carried. Thank you. 8.6 safety
matter. Councelor Clayton

2320
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:20,920
floor is yours.

2321
03:19:24,080 --> 03:19:33,840
just I'm not uh want to take a lot of
your time, but

2322
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:39,359
about April of this year, I brought up a
concern

2323
03:19:35,920 --> 03:19:44,960
of a sign that is in the entrance to
Cheetel that is blocked blocking the

2324
03:19:42,160 --> 03:19:49,439
view of uh traffic coming down the
highway in its location if you stop by

2325
03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:54,560
the stop sign. And it was brought up by
quite a number of the community people

2326
03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:59,840
in my area on because we were doing
range township road 240 and trying to

2327
03:19:57,600 --> 03:20:05,359
extend it through
and it's becoming more of a more of an

2328
03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:11,359
issue and uh
we uh it was agreed that we could move

2329
03:20:09,439 --> 03:20:15,840
this sign
uh and Brad has been looking after

2330
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:23,359
getting it done. But my concern is that
I was passed there yesterday again and

2331
03:20:18,160 --> 03:20:29,600
it was still in the same location and my
safety concern is that what is the

2332
03:20:26,319 --> 03:20:34,479
liability does this council have
if there's something that involves

2333
03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:41,680
safety and is recognized as being a
safety element and doesn't get done in a

2334
03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:46,160
reasonable length of time. And uh I'm
not

2335
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:52,399
the other issue we we had another one
come up on a railroad crossing on range

2336
03:20:49,040 --> 03:20:58,399
road 255 which is my road
and uh it's I know probably not long

2337
03:20:56,560 --> 03:21:03,760
enough after that we passed the fact
that we wanted to put flashing lights in

2338
03:21:00,160 --> 03:21:10,160
a stop sign huge enough at that site to
get it done but waiting three or four or

2339
03:21:07,760 --> 03:21:15,520
five months to get something done that
is The safety element I think is a

2340
03:21:12,239 --> 03:21:21,600
concern that this council should take
into account because liabilities when

2341
03:21:19,040 --> 03:21:26,600
you know you got a problem and you don't
fix the problem in a reasonable length

2342
03:21:23,439 --> 03:21:26,600
of time

2343
03:21:26,960 --> 03:21:37,334
could come back and uh I just wanted to
express my concern

2344
03:21:33,520 --> 03:21:42,880
that uh in the future if we have
[snorts] something designated a safety

2345
03:21:39,120 --> 03:21:47,520
item if we to put it into a priority.
Um, I don't know what kind of a priority

2346
03:21:45,520 --> 03:21:52,319
you guys or we have in in the
administration side to make things

2347
03:21:49,200 --> 03:21:55,760
happen, but
I shouldn't have to go back and keep

2348
03:21:54,080 --> 03:22:00,040
checking to see if the sign has been
moved. My apologies.

2349
03:22:00,800 --> 03:22:06,640
» Thank you. I don't know if there's a
response or

2350
03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:12,399
» I'm I'm not expecting a response. I just
think

2351
03:22:08,960 --> 03:22:19,680
think that the administration should be
given the backing by this council to

2352
03:22:16,479 --> 03:22:22,640
make safety elements a priority in such
a way as they can handle them. Thank

2353
03:22:22,080 --> 03:22:27,200
you.
>> A suggestion would be the sign could

2354
03:22:24,399 --> 03:22:31,520
have easily been removed and put in the
yard until it was moved because it's

2355
03:22:29,520 --> 03:22:37,600
just bolted down on breakaway bolts or
whatever. So that's just me. Go ahead.

2356
03:22:35,680 --> 03:22:43,600
» I can speak to this um matter.
Administration has been looking into to

2357
03:22:40,000 --> 03:22:48,880
this. Um we have identified a new
location uh for that sign. Um I'd be

2358
03:22:47,040 --> 03:22:53,920
somewhat careful in calling it a safety
issue even though um we have visited and

2359
03:22:51,200 --> 03:22:58,399
it is in sight lines there. Drivers are
responsible to ensure that they can uh

2360
03:22:56,640 --> 03:23:03,439
you know proceed safely before they
proceed. Um while where the sign is it's

2361
03:23:01,520 --> 03:23:07,359
I would agree that it's inconvenient in
terms of where the actual stop line is.

2362
03:23:05,359 --> 03:23:11,600
Um drivers can inch forward to get the
sight line that they may need to

2363
03:23:08,560 --> 03:23:15,120
proceed. That said um administration is
planning to move the sign. We've

2364
03:23:13,520 --> 03:23:20,880
identified a new location further down
the road. Um because it's related to a

2365
03:23:17,840 --> 03:23:26,239
highway um we have to get at approval
prior to uh doing work and moving the

2366
03:23:23,760 --> 03:23:29,279
sign. um that has been submitted to
Alberta Transportation and we're just

2367
03:23:27,920 --> 03:23:34,239
waiting for their response and their
approval to to do the work within the

2368
03:23:31,600 --> 03:23:38,560
highway right away.
Uh we we do anticipate that in the near

2369
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:43,359
future. Um and so we anticipate it being
done uh you know prior to winter hitting

2370
03:23:41,359 --> 03:23:46,560
at least. Um but again we're we're we're
we're waiting for their final approval

2371
03:23:45,359 --> 03:23:49,720
which does take a little bit of time
just administratively.

2372
03:23:49,920 --> 03:23:59,920
» Go ahead. Is there anything
we can do to help that side of the issue

2373
03:23:56,960 --> 03:24:04,640
move along quicker?
I don't I know your hands are slightly

2374
03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:10,200
tied on that way, but and I apologize
for that, but I find

2375
03:24:10,720 --> 03:24:15,840
No, thank you.
>> I think the important thing to point out

2376
03:24:14,160 --> 03:24:21,279
too, it is a secondary highway, so that
original installation was approved by at

2377
03:24:18,479 --> 03:24:25,600
so their road. um whether the
sightelines, you know, I've been there.

2378
03:24:23,359 --> 03:24:29,600
I don't deny that it's difficult to see,
but you can. So, um in the short term,

2379
03:24:28,080 --> 03:24:32,880
we could just easily remove the sign
because it's not critical. It's not a

2380
03:24:31,520 --> 03:24:35,520
critical sign. That's about the only
thing we could do in the and there's

2381
03:24:34,239 --> 03:24:38,800
costs involved to store it and they
might risk damaging it and all that kind

2382
03:24:37,200 --> 03:24:44,720
of stuff. Go ahead.
>> So, it' be one thing that's uh always

2383
03:24:41,200 --> 03:24:48,560
been suggested to me if it's if the
province is holding it up, go talk to

2384
03:24:46,479 --> 03:24:54,479
your MLA. Apparently, she can get things
done a lot faster. So, go talk to her.

2385
03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:58,560
She'll get it done for you really fast.
>> Is that my accountability? Is it the

2386
03:24:56,640 --> 03:25:06,000
councils?
>> Do we have something that we can Sorry,

2387
03:25:03,120 --> 03:25:11,200
» you know, if if I start chasing
provincial government people to get

2388
03:25:07,760 --> 03:25:18,560
something done on a local safety basis,
maybe not call it safety, but it is.

2389
03:25:15,439 --> 03:25:26,640
Wouldn't it have more
uh backing if we did it as a council?

2390
03:25:22,560 --> 03:25:29,680
» We could send a letter to our MLA if
that helps. But that's about as where as

2391
03:25:28,319 --> 03:25:32,960
council that's where it comes from. Go
ahead

2392
03:25:31,200 --> 03:25:36,399
» to to council. I was just going to
suggest um [clears throat] something

2393
03:25:34,880 --> 03:25:39,840
administration could do maybe even
before going there is is follow up with

2394
03:25:38,239 --> 03:25:44,080
Alberta Transportation to get an update
on when that approval may be coming. Um

2395
03:25:42,479 --> 03:25:48,080
and we can give council that update if
it's going to come in the next week or

2396
03:25:45,600 --> 03:25:52,760
two. Um then [clears throat] then you
know reaching out to the minister might

2397
03:25:49,760 --> 03:25:52,760
uh

2398
03:25:53,120 --> 03:25:59,359
» Sure. Yeah. Um but we can we can do that
and then if it's going to be a while we

2399
03:25:58,080 --> 03:26:02,560
can ask them if they're able to speed up
the process a little bit for us. So we

2400
03:26:00,640 --> 03:26:08,960
could we could do that uh initially
anyway.

2401
03:26:05,040 --> 03:26:13,200
» I appreciate that. Thank you.
>> Anything further?

2402
03:26:10,960 --> 03:26:18,720
Well, that concludes our regular council
meeting. We have an one in camera item.

2403
03:26:15,680 --> 03:26:21,760
So, we will take a break for about five
minutes to set up for that. So, I'll

2404
03:26:20,000 --> 03:26:27,399
need a motion to go on camera, which I
will put forward and call the question.

2405
03:26:32,560 --> 03:26:38,359
» Yeah.
Vote first before you leave.

2406
03:26:40,399 --> 03:26:45,960
Thanks for entertaining.
>> No problem.

2407
03:26:42,960 --> 03:26:45,960
» Just

2408
03:26:51,760 --> 03:26:58,040
that's carried. We'll be back at uh
1:35.

2409
03:26:58,080 --> 03:27:05,840
» Good afternoon everyone. Uh we came out
of in camera at 1:40 p.m. Um there was

2410
03:27:03,279 --> 03:27:10,399
no motions arising from in camera so I
will adjourn this meeting. Have a great

2411
03:27:07,520 --> 03:27:10,399
day.