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Okay, we ready to go ahead and get
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Okay. Okay. So, we will go ahead and get
started with the May 1st uh work session

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for our regular town council meeting
coming up on Tuesday. Uh again, we're

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not making any votes tonight or taking
any votes. Uh just reviewing the

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information. So, first up, we have
discussion of the minutes from the

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previous meeting on April

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1st. Are there any questions about
those?

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Andrew, for that last page, the last
bullet point, I think, was that

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Scott or whoever, were you the one that
brought it up? the minutes. Look on the

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last page, the last bullet point. Was
that you or was that I was thinking

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the last on the on the research on term
limit rule, etc.

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Okay.
I'll add that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know

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that was a topic you wanted as well. I
think I brought it up here. Mhm.

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Okay. Okay. Are there any questions
about the

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minutes? If not, we will move on to the
budget and finance section. And as all

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of you should have in front of you,
Misty has prepared a new spreadsheet for

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us that um she had some assistance with
and she can fill us in on how this new

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spreadsheet came about and how to read
it um because it is a little bit

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different than what we were looking at.
Yes. But if you'll look at the other

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report card.
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So um again 75% or more is good on
revenue. 75% or less is good on

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expenditures. So if you look at the
bottom

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line
96.02%. So that's slight more than the

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uh 75%. And then down at the
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67.56% is less than 75%.
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the thing that you're going to notice
the difference about

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is our drug account. So, the state 3A
pretty much stays the same. It will go

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up every month when we deposit that
check. But the uh drug fines are

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represented on here. So the
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$12,17.75. So that's going to be on here
so you guys can see that the local

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government investment

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pool. Again, the correlating spreadsheet
on the back.

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So we had 4.29%
29% in

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March which gave us
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have in there right now is the

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1,950,7427. Um now the news

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spreadsheet.
So, I contacted our sister town, Keith's

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friends, and I told her that a lot of
the councilmen would rather have it

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presented in a
spreadsheet. Asked her what she used and

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um she sent it over to me. So, this is
the format that she uses. It has what is

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budgeted on the first column, what has
been realized that the month that you

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know we're representing. So that would
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March, what we have remaining and what
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projected. So some of these I have to go
down through and correct

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because we may know something that the
formula doesn't. as far

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as you know I was plugging it in and it
was projecting for next year too and it

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was projecting a number like for the um
in le of taxes considerably high because

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the reason it was so high this time was
because of the internet the ignite

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that's going around that's why they had
to pay us more so I had to go ahead and

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recalculate so you know take a good look
at it if you see anything if you

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question, anything, let me know. I'll
look at it, research it, but I haven't

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quite completely filled it out. If you
notice the descriptions in the back

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couple of pages, I haven't gotten it in
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Can you educate me on what is
projection? Is that projection for next

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year? Um, no, at the end of the year.
So, like Oh, that's projecting what you

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think we'll be at. Yes. So, it's looking
at your budget and what you

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budgeted, where you are right now in it,
and what's remained and what they think

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is going to happen. So,

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end of the fiscal year. Yes. End of this
weekend. They're projecting we're going

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to sell a whole lot more beer.
It is getting warm outside.

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But this also breaks it down by the
parking. It'll show you what you're

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spending in healthcare, um, social
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uh, Medicare, retirement, all of that.
It breaks it down every line in every

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F forgive me if I interrupted. I'm
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uh, I love the breakdown. He's There are
ways that we can designate controllables

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versus

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uncontrollables like for instance you
like utility services that's an

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uncontrollable we can't affect that
right so that way it would very quickly

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for our eyes and I think that would
probably just be a one go over it

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probably copy paste every month but that
way we can quickly see what's something

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we could do to change that number versus
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I can work on

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I was just going to ask for column
percentages of project.

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I'll have to actually click on that and
see what it is. I plugged in the

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numbers, but it came out. It's okay.
Okay. This is so beautiful. Well, thank

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you. It is really good. Thank you so
much. Well, and something that I really

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liked was she has in here
um when it comes in the things that we

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get from the state, you know, what month
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can be looking for that.
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thought it

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said she is um I don't know like there
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So, I was like, I'm pretty sure May is
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period and they all usually get it in by

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then. There we go. And if you guys like
this, I can continue to do it and

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um just do the local government
investment pool on

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pass in your stocking Christmas.

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Well, I mean, Kelly, seriously, she
might need something a little extra in

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her stocking cuz I reached out and she
was like, "Yeah, let me see what I I did

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mine." And then I'm like, "Hey, that's
beautiful. I'll take it."

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Great. Do we have any questions over

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it? This one is simplified. So if you
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instead of No, I I find this more
simple. Okay. Simpler.

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Why, since you mention it, why is health
insurance so high?

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That's the rates that we

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That's a common question across America.

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Hello.

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projected salary.

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Well,
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so I know in the police department it
kind of fluctuates. Um because I know he

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was short at

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times and are you talking about general
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General. Um and that can be affected by
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Um, we did have some money set aside to
do consulting and um, we had someone opt

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out of that. So that may be why we're
going to be coming in less than what

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we projected before. What does O A
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Medicare and social

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security. I've been ordering office

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supplies. It just gets different.

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I think this will help us better to
prepare too.

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And it does have your special funds on
the back so you can see your state 3A

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and your drug.
It is a I just but it is a real

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question. What what is up with office
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We budgeted for
$268,000 and we're now projected to only

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spend 22,000. That's a pretty big deal.
Is that something that if it's

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administrative?

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See, I'm used to working off the
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Yes. So, those are some um remember we
did put some in there for uh cyber

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security. We ended up getting the grant.
Yay.

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Um so, we're going to come in under
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And the grant for the fire department,
it's not in here yet cuz we haven't

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completed all of that paperwork. Is that
correct?

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Um and I would have to say it's receded.
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So, it is more than likely receded in
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area, but we have the
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to look at. They're going to change the
expenditures of the fire department for

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the brand area. What was the machinery
and equipment item? Because I'm assuming

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that the machinery equipment under fire
department was service or most likely a

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truck, but above under police
departments and machinery equipment. Is

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that the
paper? I'm sorry. I know I'm throwing

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the
but then we didn't budget for it. So

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question. Yes. So, and I call it period
so that we can put that in.

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So, like I said, we will be filled out
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um as soon as I can sit down and do it.
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Okay, any other questions before we move
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Okay, we will move on to item number

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three which is discuss on first reading
an ordinance amending the fiscal year

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2024 2025 town of white glove budget
which is also our current year

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budget.
So do you want to discuss this as well?

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Yes. So, um the general
fund we we got the grants, we got some

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donations. Uh we had loan proceeds like
for the um the police vehicles and the

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fire truck, the tanker. So, we kind
of we're going to amend the

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expenditures, but I talked to the um I
talked to John Pool and he said go ahead

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and amend the revenue, too, so that when
you're looking at your budget, you can

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see where the revenue came in and where
it's going out. So, we did revenue

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first. I went ahead
and we've got loan proceeds in there of

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815,500. That's the fire truck and the
police vehicles. Um, I also added loan

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proceeds
into our report so that I could take it

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out of miscellaneous so that it would
give a better a clearer view of where

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the money is, what it's for.
Um, grant. We got the cyber security

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grant and we also got the
um, well, the cyber security grant we

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already had in there. Sorry, I'm stuck
on that. we got uh the grant for the

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fire department. So, we amended the
revenue there and the library was a

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donation of $5,000. So, we amended that
so that she could spend it. And if you

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turn the page and go to
expenditure, the general fund, the

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police department, it went up. We added
that for the cars from

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840,996 to 1,200
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Why? Why did it go up so significantly
from what we budgeted for the cars? 300.

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Well, because you're taking your
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360,000 to that.
I thought we budgeted for those loans

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for the cars.
I'm sorry. I thought I'm I'm must be I

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thought we had already included those
expenditures in the original budget to

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purchase the vehicle. So why are we
having to add more? So we're balancing

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it out. Um you do have
the when you get in a large amount of

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money, it's like a capital purchase. It
comes in, it goes out. One lump sum

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coming in, one lump sum going out. When
you're paying for them, that's a debt

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service. So that's why there's a
difference. there's going to be a lower

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payment which is a yearly payment and
then there's going to be that one lump

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sum to show that the money went out.
So it went out

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to the board along the whole amount went
there but we didn't just pay for those.

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We actually got a loan. So we're paying
yearly to her federal on that loan. So

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that's why it's going out twice.
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Uh, fire department expenditures went
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401,549 to

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888,49. Same example there. It comes in,
it goes out, but we have to represent it

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here in our budget that it came in, went
out. Cuz I understand double entry

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bookkeeping. Why was that not I thought
that we had already put that in there

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though, assuming that there was going to
be income and expenditure there.

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I think when I looked at the budget, it
had

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62,000 down there. Um I think Melody had
estimated the yearly payment but not the

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total amount for all of the vehicles.
Okay. Um the library department their

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expenditures went from 33,000 to 38,000
to account for that 5,000 donations

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because they expended
um street a fine.

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So, we didn't have the budget
passed before we had to pay a street

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lighting. Um, so we went ahead with what
we had been doing and we paid it out of

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the street a fund. So, we have to amend
that to show that

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that 400
and pull it up here. I'm sorry.

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$4,400

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payment.
$4,958 payment came out of there when it

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was actually in when we budgeted it. We
passed it to come out of the street

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department and not the state

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street. And that's all of
the I did learn something. Um, you don't

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have
to do line items anymore. Um, it used to

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be very strict. You had to line item,
line item, line item. Uh, then they got

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a little relaxed. The county still have
to do that. Um, they got a little

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relaxed with the municipalities and then
it was

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department. So, if the department has
this much, they could spend this much.

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It didn't matter where it came out of.
And then um I talked to the auditor and

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he said now they're doing the whole the
whole budget. So if all in all we budget

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$5
million and as long as and it doesn't

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matter which department if they go over
their

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budget as long as it doesn't go over $5
million at the total expenditures then

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we're still good. We don't have to do
amendments.

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made it a lot easier for me.

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Okay. So, any questions about the
amendment? And this is

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uh on Tuesday. This will be a first
reading. Is that correct? Correct. We'll

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have public hearing uh and second
reading at the June. June. Okay.

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So this this was not like the last year
we where we had to amend the budget u

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because we needed to spend more money.
We just had to account for

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what in a different fashion.
I think this this time it's based more

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off of grants or
donations whereas in the previous year

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it's because there were unanticipated
expenses. Last year there was going to

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be a shortfall where we estimated a
shortfall. So we had to go ahead and

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amend
it to include the shortfall that this

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this work what we're doing this year.
That was an expenditure. So we we had to

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amend for that.
Yeah. When you amend your budget, you're

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really I mean including revenues is good
practice.

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you're in charge of expenditures, right?
Um so this amendment is saying we're

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spending more on this item than we had
anticipated and technically the

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government can't go above that number
till you bless it, right? Um or you run

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out of money, so you're doing it now
before the end of the year so that it

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balances up. But every time you do a
budget amendment, you're typically it's

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because either a particular category or
overall you're spending more than that

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cap. you effectively put on the budget
when you pass the big budget which

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you'll start seeing towards the middle
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year. So it's always about spending more
money than you had originally

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anticipated with the budget you passed 9
10 months ago.

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Now the reason that they vary across the
board, it just depends year to

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year. Okay. So moving on to codes and
permits. Item number four, discuss the

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second final reading ordinance to amend
the town of White Bluff zoning ordinance

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by amending article 2 definition
amending article 3 general provisions

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section
3.10 accessory use regulations and

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adding article 4 supplementary
provisions applying to specific

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districts. Section
4.120 provision for conditional use

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accessory dwelling units and we will
have a public hearing Tuesday evening uh

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proceeding this agenda item a long
agenda. Yes, that's announceable.

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Um mayor, if I if I may, I'll go ahead
and recap this for the council. Um

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obviously this came from the planning
commission came to you. Um there was

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significant debate about subsection F in
ownership. Uh new language was created

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in that meeting with some directive to
me. Uh I took that language to the

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planning commission earlier this month.
And so just you know what you're looking

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at when you look at subsection F
there. The last sentence is part of what

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you added. Let's read it. The
application for an accessory dwelling

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shall only be approved if the applicant
or owner resides on the property or the

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applicant or owner intends to reside on
the property as determined by the BGA.

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So, that was one of the things we talked
about is because the BGA is a quasi

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judicial body, they'll be able to take
in evidence and see what the intent is.

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Uh I know some members up here were
concerned like hey if the builder's

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building it but I've contracted with
them can they go ahead and put that

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assessment
dwelling. What is in highlighted was

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what was deleted by
this. The planning commission

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unanimously rejected those deletions and
wanted them back in. So that is what's

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here for your consideration. Now, if you
choose to delete some or parts of that,

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you are free to do so on Tuesday night.
Uh because the planning commission has

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now weighed in on that new language. Uh
they've blessed uh the last sentence. Uh

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the planning commission wanted to keep
the language that limits the occupancy

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to immediate family members as defined
here being parents, grandparents, aunts,

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uncles, children, grandchildren or
siblings of the property owner uh and

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that it may not be leased or rented or
sold uh from the se uh separately from

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the principal unit and family members
may contribute to the property. Um so

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that is for your consideration and vote
Tuesday night. Obviously, Amanda and I

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are here to answer any questions you
have on this language or any other part,

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but this was the part that went back to
the planning commission and you have

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their response.
My legal question is if I build the

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accessory
unit, let's say this passes, I build the

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accessory
unit, can I move into the accessory unit

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and rent my main resident to him? So,
this came up at the planning commission

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meeting. And so, my response then, as it
is now, is we really don't have the

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ability to regulate the principal
structure. if you want to rent it, lease

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it. Uh we've got some Airbnb regulations
if you're doing short-term, but you

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really have a lot of freedom with your
principal structure because you only get

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one per, you know, parcel, uh however
big or small that parcel

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is. This is a much more constrained
secondary use is how I'm going to define

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it, but the accessory use uh accessory
dwelling here.

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Um So you'd be regulating that. You're
the owner. You can be in it. What you do

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with the primary residence is up to you.
Leave it vacant, rent it to anybody.

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It's just saying the accessory dwelling
is going to have these restrictions. I'm

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just I'm really really tortured as you
can all tell from the last how. You

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know, on one
hand, to me, you know, I don't want

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every house on my street to have an
accessory dwelling with a renter in. I

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don't think that's a good idea. On the
flip side of that, if all I got to do is

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move to the accessory unit or as as Roy
said, if I attach it with a roof line,

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it is no longer an accessory unit, is an
addition, and I can rent that out

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because it's part of the main structure.
It's like running out of room. Yeah. And

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so I don't know, you know, I don't I
don't know that you're accomplishing in

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this what is intended because there's so
many ways around it legally. Um, and I

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hate to step on property rights when you
can do it anyway with just a little bit

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extra effort to avoid this. So that's
where I'm at, but I'm open to

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conversation. I I agree with you. I see
is nothing but stepping on property

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owners rights because if I'm of the
mindset to make this as cashable in

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property as I want to, I would have
split the three bedroomedroom two bath

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into now a five bedroomedroom. I can do
that legally. I would add an accessory

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dwelling unit, but I'd add a nice little
adjoined roof line crosswalk to it. Now

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it's part of the primary per roy. That's
entirely fine. Now I can add two more

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bedrooms to it if I want to. I could
make myself a mini apartment basically

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if I was of that mindset. So, this is
not going to accomplish stopping any of

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that. What this will accomplish is
stopping a well-meaning law-abiding

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citizen who ends up with an ADU. Their
mom has passed away. They had her out in

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the guest house or whatever ADU and now
they decided to expand their means uh

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renting it out to their church members
young son. That's what this is going to

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stop. It's not going to stop somebody
who's going to just go after it for

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rentals. And so I view this as just
stepping on property owner tracks. Uh

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and and the wrong people that we're
trying to go

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after. That's my two cents.
How many people do I mean I'm talking

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from just my standpoint do you really
think are going to move out of their

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larger
home? Because if if if my husband

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suggested that we moved
in, he could do that.

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But but what I'm saying is how many
people do you think are actually going

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to try to get around that by moving into
a much smaller dwell? I think to be

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fair, I think the majority of people
would not choose that option

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unless financially choice. Let's just
say that that you know your your

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husband's passed away and you're living
in the big house and you've got this

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accessory dwelling and you can't afford
your your payment or your tax or

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whatever it is. I think by doing this we
might would force them to move to the

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smaller dwelling so that they could rent
the big bigger

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dwelling to make sense. I don't think
they would do it out of desire to do

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that. Yeah, I agree with you. I I think
we're we're hurting the wrong person

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here.
And I do I am concerned

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that what I feel is the reason we're
trying to do this because you

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know I think if you're not careful
everybody their mom money's tight for

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everybody is like oh I'll just build an
accessory shed and rent that out and

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that'll be an extra $800 a month. And so
if everybody on that street does

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that you know is that an issue? I'm open
to discussion on that as well. Is that a

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problem? I mean, if I would also argue
most people are not minded that way to

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expand their means that way. Most people
I would agree that they'll go buy a new

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car before they look to expand.
Um, so, you know, can we just monitor it

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and see how it goes? And just like our
billboard situation, you know, I'm I'm

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open for discussion. I'm just I'm
just in reviewing how to sidestep this

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is where my concern lies because there's
so many ways to do that. I mean, if we

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were to pass this and I were going to
build an accessory dwelling even for my

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family members, I would attach it with a
roof line because of this orphice.

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Because now you can't touch me. I can do
whatever I want to do. So, if I'm going

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to spend the money to build it anyway,
why not just attach it to the building?

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And that's my concern. It's like I'm not
going to even attempt to follow this.

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I'm just going to go around it
completely. Um now I may be one in a

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hundred that that thinks that way but
and who you're hurting. And I'll give a

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real life example. I had this sweet
couple down in Alabama church with her.

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Um they took care of his elderly mom. So
they built an ADU on their property to

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take care of his elderly mom. His wife
got cancer. She beat it thankfully. Um,

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once the mom passed away, they had
medical bills they had to pay for. What

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do you think they did with that ADU?
They put somebody they knew, loved, and

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trusted from the church in that ADU to
help expand their means to help pay her

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medical bills. That's who we're hurting.
We're not hurting people like you,

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right? So, like you said, you're going
to get around it anyways. And my biggest

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concern with this is what we added right
here at the plan commission approved is

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that I don't want to buy Jacob's house
who has an accessory dwelling already

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and rent Jacob's house to one tenant and
Jacob's accessory shed to the other and

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I don't have to live there at all
because now you're letting me basically

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do duplexes on every single piece of
property that has an accessory dwelling.

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So I do think that part is important
because that's what's going to happen.

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If you let accessories buildings start
going up, you know, people that's in my

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business are going to be like, "Well,
that's two rental properties in one one

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bank." So, we can't let that happen. Um,
well, I want to clarify. We talked about

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this planning commission. This is once
you get a permit, once you build

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something, you're in a slightly
different world. This is about how you

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get the permit. A little bit about how
you keep going on, but it's about how

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you get the permit. So, let's say I have
a house and it's a large enough lot. Got

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enough space. I build an ADU totally
detached, right? Put a pin in that. I'm

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going to come back to the connection or
not. Um, and let's say, you know, I die

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and my estate sells it to somebody. Mhm.
They don't live there and they rent out

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the boat. Can they do that? Right.
They're not getting a permit. The

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structure is already there. Right. So
you're saying in the beginning of this

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section that we are putting a
restriction on that still. Now you get

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into enforcement, you get into checking
in on that and what would be the remedy?

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Well, fines and injunction. That's
what's on the table.

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Um, so you
know, it's not going to be perfect.

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You're not going to cover everything.
What your zoning ordinance needs to do

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is espouse the policy you want. Some
people are going to get around that

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policy and we will work to fight it, but
it's never going to catch everything in

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that net. Um, this is saying, hey, if
you do that, you have the chance of

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getting caught. You have the chance of
getting fined $50 a day. You have the

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chance of getting an injunction against
you um if you get found out, right? Um,

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so But I wanted to make clear that last
sentence that's about at the application

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phase and directly through the BCA. The
BCA grants this special exception,

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they're no longer involved. I got right.
So it's all all back on code enforcement

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at that point.
Um you could build a mini apartment in

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your house. You could have the
detachment. You're saying if you're

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going to do this, you have to take these
extra steps. But if it is a completely

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separate house, I mean this is a house.
This is a small house, but this is a

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completely separate house. And our
general policy is that you get one

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per parcel, right? This is an exception
to that, a special exception as the BC

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would be evaluating. Um, and so it comes
with those parameters. If you really

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wanted, if the lot's big enough, split
it into two lots, put a second house,

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right? Like that would be that's my
other way of thinking about it is just

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build another house. Even if it's small,
you get the smallest lot allowed in that

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zoning district with those setbacks and
build a small house and you can sell it,

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right? And you can rent it to anybody.
You can do anything. This is if it's

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going to be on one parcel. You got your
main structure and a housing unit behind

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it. You're it's a really small set of of
circumstances that this is coming up in.

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Uh because if you got a five acre parcel
in R1, you can split that in two and

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just build another house no matter how
big, right? Uh we got some minimums, but

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you know, you put a minimum in here, but
um it's it's only covering a very narrow

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set of circumstances. And again, you're
putting forth what is your policy

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knowing that some people might hide it
or try to get around it, may never get

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caught, or maybe they do get caught. Um
that that's what you're putting forth. I

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don't know if you you've been working on
this more than me. So I agree. Thank

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you.
And the utilities everything has to be

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on the same meter as well. So if you are
trying to rent it out to

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different professional landlords ain't
going to do that. That'd be a pain in

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the butt because you don't have separate
address. You don't have separate

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utility. That's a pain in the butt. So
like I said, what you're hurting is

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you're hurting my friends like down at
Bayonette. That's who you're hurting.

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And you're saying, "Hey, uh you might
get caught. You might get fined for

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doing this." That's that's the people
we're going at it and I have a hard time

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with that. Well, if you're a separate
entity though, I don't know that I would

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really want to get into sharing
utility. Well, so again, you know, I'm

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probably the oddball of the bunch. But
if I were going, like for an example, I

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have a a garage and let's say I convert
that into accessory dwelling. I could

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meter the water and the electrical going
to that unit to subfill my tenant. So I

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could I could read his meter, read his
water meter, even though it's not an

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actual utility meter and and bill Jacob
for his part

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00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:52,119
um as my pen. Is that how this is
currently written?

415
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:56,560
Well, from what make sure I'm doing that
right I've done that before. It would be

416
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,680
a private meter. I would correct. You
have your main public meter, but then

417
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,880
you could have you want to know what's
going to your garage. I have people on

418
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:09,119
larger land. They want to know how much
their farm is using, whatever. that's

419
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:12,720
not getting read by the electric.
So you could Yeah, you if you're renting

420
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,320
it out and you want to know what their
portion is, you could put a meter on

421
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,680
that line, the electrical line or water
line to it. Yes, you could. And that's

422
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:25,599
not going to be violent about this,
right? It's just the public line, the

423
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:30,560
public meters one her lot. And it does
concern me. I mean, I'm

424
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:34,320
not I'm not totally unaware of of the
importance. You know, I don't I don't

425
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:38,400
know that it's a good idea that every
house on Main Street has an accessory

426
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,240
dwelling that you're renting out so
somebody not in the family. People on

427
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:47,119
Main Street would
have true, but you know what I'm saying?

428
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:50,520
Like I don't know that I mean if you you
know, of course, obviously you'd have to

429
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:54,640
meet
these we leave it as it is. You have to

430
00:38:52,960 --> 00:39:01,160
meet these guidelines even to fill it.
If we take this out, then you

431
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:07,440
necessarily wouldn't I mean if
you you can bring it to wherever you

432
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:13,640
want to. Yes. God. Yes. Go. I need I
need more into it. Well, I was going to

433
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:19,839
ask about the electric
meters. You can have multiple electric

434
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:25,599
meters at one address. I have You have
it now. I have it now.

435
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:31,240
And depending on the distance that your
building is from primary building, it

436
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:35,560
makes sense to
put an extra meter in for that.

437
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:40,560
Sometimes
distance you can't

438
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,520
run, you know, power to your house and
then run it to another depends on the

439
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:50,320
distance. But under
this could be accessory. Gotcha. All

440
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,760
accessory calling units shall have
electrical service consistent with the

441
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,920
primary structure. I don't know what
that means. Is it same electricity or

442
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,640
the same? Yes. Or same meter. Does that
mean like from the same company? Does it

443
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,720
mean you can't have a separate meter?
It's designed to not have a separate

444
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:12,160
meter because a lot of people do have
separate meters on their conduct. We

445
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:16,960
cover that. So you're if you're talking
about a storage building or a barn

446
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:21,280
agricultural purposes, you're not
talking about another dwelling unit,

447
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,640
right? This is not talking about another
building. Yeah. This is not regulating

448
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,240
any of the other buildings. You can do
that if the electric department won't

449
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:31,599
allow it. This is saying if you do an
ADU, it's going to be part of the

450
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:38,240
electricity that's to the main
structure. See, I I don't see where that

451
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:42,480
benefits anybody. why you could not
I think it was probably one of the

452
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:50,079
components to make it harder to rent to
the general public. I mean and remind

453
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:55,359
all of us again or especially me the way
that our zoning ordinance is written at

454
00:40:52,400 --> 00:41:04,240
the moment are any accessory dwelling
units allowed as of right now?

455
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:09,119
ADU ads. So that got into the code issue
and whether or not there was a kitchen

456
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,400
and the kitchen kicked it over and so
you couldn't that's that's why we're

457
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:18,240
that's why we're having this
conversation because the the board then

458
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:24,240
silent on the issue. So the code said no
once you had a kitchen. So I mean could

459
00:41:21,319 --> 00:41:29,280
you put a shack in there with a bed?
Yeah, you could. But if you want to make

460
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:33,119
it a treated home with all the you know
toilet shower kitchen. So part of the

461
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,760
reason this is coming up is because the
zoning ordinance has been violated here

462
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:42,800
in White Blood. Correct. There have been
instances where people have put shed out

463
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:47,520
and they actually went as far as to run
separate utilities to at separate meters

464
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:53,359
and so they were effectively putting two
dwelling units on one lot.

465
00:41:50,839 --> 00:41:59,200
And there's a precedence here that
somebody Okay. going to violate it.

466
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Somebody did what they wanted on their
own property. Yeah, I know.

467
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,079
It's hard to It's hard to legislate that
because I mean, you can't I mean, what

468
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:10,890
if somebody says they're going to put
out 10 tents in their backyard and rent

469
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:14,640
out each tent? I mean,
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470
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:23,319
we'll build an out house. I mean, this
is kind of still put two cents in.

471
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:27,640
So if we pick out what we took out last
meeting to where you can rent

472
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:36,560
it,
anybody, what doesn't matter if it has

473
00:42:32,359 --> 00:42:41,200
a a power meter to it. I mean, you can
already have one to any other type of

474
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:45,920
building that you put out within your
property, but you can't have it for an

475
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:52,400
accessory dwelling unit. That's
nitpicky. So then at what point does it

476
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:56,400
just become a separate structure and is
inconsistent with our other zoning

477
00:42:54,319 --> 00:43:00,200
ordinances where we're saying you can
only have one house per lot if it's on

478
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:05,680
one.
Well candidly I think all of these

479
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:09,680
provisions are up for debate. I'm going
to put that out there. The only thing

480
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:14,720
that's going to be a red line for me and
please tell me if you agree or think

481
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:20,079
differently or think there's more is you
can't parse it off.

482
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:24,720
That's the red line. Um, if you want to
modify utilities or anything else, I

483
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:32,160
think that's worthy of discussion, but
I'll be a strong advisor against it

484
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:36,960
because otherwise just parcel it off and
go under the code for building a home.

485
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:41,920
You know, this again, this is a
specialized type of use. You're building

486
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:45,680
a guest house, a mini home on one
parcel, right? It is a separate

487
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:51,400
structure. designed to be a separate
structure. Um, it just happens to be a

488
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:59,440
little bit smaller.
Um, should it have its own meter? Maybe.

489
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:04,160
I mean, that's a policy decision. Uh,
again, a lot of this was designed to

490
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:08,880
keep it all in that umbrella of this is
one parcel. This is one owner. We're

491
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:18,319
going to keep it under that umbrella. So
everything in here from A through O is

492
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,319
kind of reflective of that policy.

493
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Um so you know
I it's the will of the council to tinker

494
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:36,400
with this but um if you I will add
this if you change anything other than F

495
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,680
it's going to go back to PC. So, just
prepare that in mind. If that's what you

496
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:45,640
want, we'll make that work and it can go
at the May meeting. It'll come back to

497
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:49,920
you at your your June council meeting.
Um, but that's I just want to make it

498
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:54,319
clear that that's that was the policy
consideration

499
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:57,599
of we're going to make this be on one
parcel. We're going to allow this to be

500
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:02,240
on one parcel, but it has to stay one
parcel. And you can't 5 years down the

501
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:05,599
road come in with a two lot pl and
separate it out and then sell it and all

502
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:10,800
that. is going to be part of this.
Otherwise, go ahead and parcel it out

503
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:14,560
and let someone or yourself build a home
and rent that out, right? It's a very

504
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:19,079
specialized use. Well, wouldn't wouldn't
that be wouldn't you have to take that

505
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:25,040
that property itself and change the
zoning of it? Well, depends on the size,

506
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,160
right? Right. Uh depends on the size. Um
I mean, but that's that's what you're

507
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:34,400
talking about is if you want to parcel
it out, you're basically turning into

508
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:40,040
R2. Well, it's R1 or R2. uh is all the
ADUs allowed in again because we're

509
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:44,960
under density zoning.
Um without an exact example, I couldn't

510
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:49,200
tell you if R1 or R2 would work for
this. I mean, if you're dealing with a

511
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:53,359
3acre lot and you want to divide it in
half of your R1, you can do that. You

512
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:57,040
can have two one and a half acre lots.
Or if you have a threeacre lot, you're

513
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:03,119
like, I want to put an ADU, it has to
stay one parcel. But that's that's what

514
00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:10,400
I mean. I mean, you have between I go to
VDA or the zoning and and you split up

515
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:16,480
and efficiently instead of one R1 it's
two R1 R1 R2 and R2. So I mean whatever

516
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:21,119
the zoning is on it now if you just
split it up the zoning stays and you

517
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:26,000
could ask for different zoning for those
parcels later or part of that process.

518
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:29,599
But let's say you get three acre or one
lot and you're like I want two one and a

519
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:34,000
halfacre lots. You just come in with a
two lot subdivision plat and split it up

520
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,839
depending on if you have the proper road
frontage and all the other aspects that

521
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:42,319
are required. Assuming you can do that
and you've got two livable lots with its

522
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:46,800
own setbacks and everything. The ADU
under one 3acre parcel in this example

523
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:53,680
you're just dealing with the setbacks
for that three acre lot. You got to get

524
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:57,119
it to fit on the side. Right. The side
can't be further than the front of the

525
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:01,880
house or anywhere behind it within the
setbacks. Right? That's what this is

526
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,880
allowing.

527
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:09,760
Can I ask a couple the these everybody's
asking some really esteemed questions.

528
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:14,520
I'd like to go more juvenile. Um just
just because you know Yeah. This is I'm

529
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:21,040
still I'm still
um so just for everybody's knowledge of

530
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:25,839
what you're thinking like I I tend to
agree with Mr. Kincaid on a lot of his

531
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:30,000
arguments. Um, and so I thought several
of these questions would be sort of

532
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:33,359
geared in that same regard. When we're
listing in in the highlighted section

533
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:36,720
here, parents, grandparents, aunts and
uncles, children, grandchildren,

534
00:47:36,839 --> 00:47:39,839
siblings,

535
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:47,599
why I guess I'm just not going to try to
put other. Why not cousins? Why not

536
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:53,520
great grandparents? Why not great great
grandparents? Like I to me this says

537
00:47:50,240 --> 00:48:00,000
these are special people in my life and
and and I I love my brothers but hey my

538
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:04,079
my buddy that lives in Cookville is is a
good friend of mine too and like I just

539
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:08,079
don't feel like we should be defining
who should be important in your life and

540
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:11,440
who's not important in your life. Um so
if we were to adopt this language I

541
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:15,040
think it should be opened up to cousins
and great grandparents are more likely

542
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:19,760
to need this than grandparents. So let's
throw that in there. And how many grapes

543
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,520
do you want to go? Um, and then my my
question and and I understand that's

544
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:27,119
stupid. We can roll our eyes at it, but
I it makes a point, but also I think if

545
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:32,079
you're going to have this language, you
should add in a couple of other uh

546
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:36,839
exceptions. Um, and then furthermore, my
question would be, how does one prove?

547
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:41,680
How do how do I prove before a board
that Brian's my uncle? Do I bring birth

548
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:45,680
certificates? I mean, I'm being I'm
being curious here. Do I say Brian's my

549
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:50,319
uncle and we just leave it at that? Do
you willing to say it under oath? Under.

550
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:54,960
Sure. Okay. So, you would that would be
your threat. Okay. Okay. Just just

551
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:59,920
clarifying that. Uncle.
And if we were I mean if we were foster

552
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:03,839
brothers at one time, does that does
that violate this? Like I'm I'm just I'm

553
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:08,960
just asking. No. So immediate family.
This is a pretty typical definition.

554
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:14,319
Okay. Immediate family members. Uh you
could I guess the step up would be

555
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:21,200
related which you go back far enough in
time we're all related. Um you know so

556
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:25,760
go back where where do you want to go on
that line and again it was designed to

557
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:30,400
be and again it's a policy thing. Y'all
can shift the policy that's why it's

558
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:34,800
coming to you for this debate. Um, if
you want to say if you want to move away

559
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:39,280
from immediate family members, uh, to
me, a lot of those middle grounds of you

560
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,400
have to be related to or you have to be
special to, it's not worth it. Right.

561
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:47,000
Exactly. I say get rid of it.
Um, or keep it to, I mean, if you want

562
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,800
to
add great grandparents and great

563
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:56,839
grandchildren in here, I think that
would probably be fine. Uh, but if you

564
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:03,359
want to go far outside of that,
um, I I think it's it's going to make

565
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:07,040
this virtually meaningless, right? No, I
I understand. I just wanted some

566
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:11,040
clarification on on those things and
you've given me that. And then I guess

567
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:16,400
my my other question would be um you
know, we had a a spectacle of the debate

568
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:21,440
last time we were together and you came
up with this with this blue language. Is

569
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:26,599
that correct? what we see in blue. Um,
is there have you exhaust I mean and I

570
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:31,760
guess we it would be beneficial to
know those of us who are for this or

571
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:36,240
against this, you know, it would be nice
to have those those conversations out on

572
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:42,640
the table, neat and organized, and then
have you exhausted your legal language

573
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,920
to to make this appealing to both those
who are detracting from it and those who

574
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:49,359
are advancing for it? That's a
complicated question. Thank you. That's

575
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:54,400
a good question.
Yeah, I draft language, you know, when

576
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:59,280
this any process on this, whether it
starts at this body um or the planning

577
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:03,119
commission or administratively really
it's the three of us work on a language

578
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,720
to then present to the planning
commission, right? And it works its way

579
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,559
up. Everybody's going to have a
different view to, you know, little

580
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:15,680
wrinkles and you try to coalesce around
the top, right? Right. Um I draft

581
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:20,720
language based upon your directives. So,
from our last time, you were like,

582
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:25,040
"Let's give the BCA some discretion."
Um, if the owner isn't the owner yet,

583
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,839
but they're getting it built for them to
go ahead and put an ADU. This allowed an

584
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:33,119
ADU in a more broad process, then you
have to already own the property and

585
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:36,480
then you go build it. Someone else who's
owning it, if you're under contract, you

586
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:41,280
could present the contract at the BCA
meeting and make, okay, that's enough

587
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:46,079
for me. I'm okay with that. Right. Um,
have I exhausted language? No. I do

588
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:51,440
think so, but I I didn't think so. But I
I there was there was so many points

589
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:55,359
raised and there's being a lot of points
raised right now. And I was just

590
00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:00,960
curious, you know, what of all the
arguments that were made, we this this

591
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,960
blue text here is is dealing with the
the builder wanting to go ahead and

592
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:08,480
build it even though I'm not currently
occupying it. You dealt with that. that

593
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:12,720
you're intending to and that intention
can be interpreted by the BGA based upon

594
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:17,839
the testimony given in the hearing.
Right. Okay. So,

595
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:22,760
I think you know the mayor made a
comment about uh the billboards and I do

596
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:28,000
agree with you.
However, the way I said that this is

597
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:32,680
your home. So, to me, you know, it's
like happy on my home. You know, I'm I'm

598
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:38,800
okay with some more restrictions on my
commercial entities than I am on my

599
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:43,599
actual home. I do see what staff wants
to do because right now it's not allowed

600
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:47,200
at all. So, if I've got a daughter that
wants a shed in back, I have anywhere to

601
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:53,599
go. I'm going to sneak a kitchen into my
shed without code, build this little

602
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:58,960
sheed, put her in there, regardless of
what the code says. At least for this,

603
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:01,760
you you it's in, you know, I'm assuming
it's it's looked at. You're not just

604
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:06,480
throwing up a shack because I've seen
some of the ones that they they've added

605
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:11,839
without without any permission and
they're dangerous and they're not wired

606
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:16,520
correctly and it's it's on the street.
I'm just really really torn about, you

607
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:20,960
know, as much as I see the the
the reasoning for wanting it to be just

608
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,920
immediate family, I agree with Jacob.
This guy's been with you since you

609
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:26,960
fought in the military together. You're
best friends. You don't have a brother,

610
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:32,400
but he's your brother. How can he not
stay there? It's your it's your home.

611
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:38,920
So, that's that's where I'm I'm really
home. I think um Well, I do have two

612
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:46,000
more questions, but I think
that people are focusing on who can or

613
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:50,559
cannot stay there versus can it be
rented? And are you suggesting that your

614
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,079
friend would rent the property from you
or that your friend would just stay

615
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,920
there as a gift? I mean, I think that's
a good point as well. You know, if

616
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:01,839
you're if you're and maybe that's the
bridge, you know, because well, again,

617
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,240
it's your property. If your brother from
the military goes, "Hey, man, I'll give

618
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,760
you a couple bucks while I get on my
feet." Or maybe your wife's best friend

619
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,040
just is going through a divorce and
she's like, "I'll give you a couple, you

620
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:16,400
know, hundred bucks or so just to just
to, you know, because I'm here." That's

621
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:20,160
rent. Why can't you do that? That's my
thought. So So and you might give them

622
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,559
like depending on hey I'll give you
three months to get on your feet and

623
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:26,640
then after that could you give me 200
bucks a month just to

624
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:33,359
whatever you know like Jacob said
everything is based on what you are

625
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:37,599
willing to do. I mean so if I move Carl
in there I don't tell you guys and you

626
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,920
know what are you going to do? You going
to get a warrant to come look? I mean

627
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:45,920
how's that going to even go? And so I
don't know that you can stop once it's

628
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:51,119
filled. I don't know that you can
control it. Um because, you know, if

629
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,319
you're my best friend and you need a
place to stay, you know, I'm probably

630
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:58,079
going to leave you in there and I'm not
going to say anything. And if it's

631
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:03,280
quiet, you probably won't and nobody's
probably ever going to know. I mean, you

632
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:07,119
know, party. So, two more questions.
One, accessory dwelling units, depending

633
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:11,200
on how they're built, whether it's a
flat foundation or crawl space. If it

634
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,640
was a crawl space, technically the ADU
could be moved in the future off the

635
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:20,079
property. Correct. because you're a
builder. You would I mean I would say

636
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:25,680
depending on the size we could probably
move most anything. I mean in Nashville

637
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:31,760
literally I've
I would say that people So ADU is not

638
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:35,520
going to be permanent in the sense like
what you were discussing or you where

639
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,119
they could just extend the roof line,
add on another room and essentially have

640
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:42,880
an apartment. That's going to be a more
permanent forever and ever unless a

641
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:47,760
tornado hit. Cross spaces will still
have foundations though. They do, but

642
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:50,640
it's easier to lift the existing
structure if someone wanted to the

643
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,960
structure, but your foundation still be
there. Yeah, you could just take it out

644
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:57,920
with the back. What if they do want to
put it on a slab? So, we're telling that

645
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,119
now we're I'm just saying I don't know.
This would be his area, but I'm thinking

646
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:07,119
if it's on a slab, it's a little bit
harder. I mean, I would say maybe for

647
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:11,040
me, I would say be harder on slab. Yeah.
Okay. Not impossible. Not we can put

648
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:14,240
them in from our perspective on the
legal enforcement side. If it's crawl

649
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:18,000
space or fondant, it's a permanent
building. You're distinguishing that

650
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:22,400
between like a fifth wheel placement,
right? Like of what can be moved or you

651
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:26,319
take a shed and just put it on a couple
blocks, you don't really even have a

652
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:33,200
foundation. That's different to me,
right? Rather than you excavate, get a

653
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:38,720
foundation in there. Um, we treat those
as permit. Those are detached.

654
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:43,280
I understand that administratively we
think that that is permanent, but in

655
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:47,040
reality if you can move a portable shed
out of your backyard, you could

656
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:51,520
essentially move ADU if you wanted to
and wipe out the foundation.

657
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:56,160
On that point, anything could be used
though. Yeah. And and according to

658
00:56:53,440 --> 00:57:00,000
labels and laws and such, foundation is
foundation is permanent structure and

659
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:03,599
that's what you
I'm talking about having the structure

660
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,240
on site because you're asking what are
you going to do with it? Well, maybe

661
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:10,960
somebody wants to sell it to someone
else as cool fishing cabin. So maybe

662
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:13,559
they put it on a trailer or flatbed,
whatever, and they haul it off to the

663
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:19,520
Tennessee
River. There are other outcomes than,

664
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:24,440
oh, mom had passed away and now we have
this empty building in our backyard.

665
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:30,720
There are other options.
And I guess my next question I've gone

666
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:34,480
off on is um so the way that things are
written right now, we do not have

667
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:39,520
anything in place for an accessory
dwelling unit. Correct. So going

668
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:46,240
forward, if we wanted to, could we just
completely ban accessory dwelling units

669
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:50,240
as an option as well? Yeah. I wanted to
emphasize kind of to your point, Mayor,

670
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:55,280
this is a change in your zoning
ordinance.

671
00:57:52,640 --> 00:58:01,200
you can update it in six months, six
weeks, six years.

672
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:04,720
Um, obviously I think not to speak for
Amanda or Jeff, but when we open a door,

673
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,720
we want to open it a little bit and see
how it goes rather than have it be wide

674
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:13,119
open. Uh, but again, it's a policy
consideration that y'all get to decide.

675
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:17,520
I think it would be harder if you had no
limitations. If you took the the yellow

676
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:22,880
highlight out, I think it's going to be
harder to pull it back. That'd be okay.

677
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:28,720
Uh, but I say it's it's say let's not
have these categories. You can't rent it

678
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:32,799
or lease it and it'll only be to these
people staying here, right? And if you

679
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,520
all start getting push back from people,
you got three or four people coming to

680
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:41,040
meetings saying, "Hey, I really want to
do this." You can think about changing

681
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:44,520
that. Um, the only other thing I'll
throw out there and and I may regret

682
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:52,400
saying this,
but to u Councilman Pucket's

683
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:56,720
point, have we legal language this out?
No, because you could just put a lot of

684
00:58:54,160 --> 00:59:02,400
this discretion on the BCA. That makes
me a little nervous. Uh, but say, you

685
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:07,520
know, it has to be for, and I'm just
shooting from the hip here, some

686
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:11,680
justifiable reason or some connection to
the owner. Now, could they lie? Could

687
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:16,559
some Joe from the street rent from them
and say, "Oh, I've known him since we

688
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:19,359
were in high school." Sure, they could.
Uh, but that that's some discretion.

689
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:22,240
Say, "Look, we're not going to put
parameters on it, but there has to be

690
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:26,480
some connection, and we need to figure
out if there's language that could work

691
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:30,319
for that." Um, but at the end of the
day, you have these two sets of

692
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:34,799
restrictions in there. Who can occupy
it? And can you lease and rent it or

693
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:39,119
not? And you're saying a small group can
occupy it, and it cannot be leased or

694
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:43,319
rented. That's in this version. It is
your discretion to take one or both of

695
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:48,079
those
out or leave it in. What kind of

696
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:54,960
ex-husband?
They are not immediate feminist. See,

697
00:59:51,520 --> 01:00:00,000
see, if I was to get kicked out and I
wanted to live in my dwelling unit

698
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:04,319
because I own the property along with my
ex-wife. Well, if you own it, it

699
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:07,920
wouldn't apply. This is This is for
nonowners.

700
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:12,240
Yeah. If someone else owns it, it's
okay.

701
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:16,240
Like like my father's point, let's say
you had a buddy in the military, saved

702
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:19,520
your life, but he's got CDI now. He's
never going to get anywhere, get

703
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:23,119
married, you need some help. He's not
your family member, but he is your

704
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:28,640
family member in your heart. And uh he's
living off his his disability. Sorry,

705
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:32,480
can't come unless you extend the roof
line. And and actually this is a real

706
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:37,200
interesting thing because my neighbors
right now, this is real time, the next

707
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:41,200
door neighbors, uh Travis is trying to
they're actually looking to move their

708
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:44,079
mother-in-law right now. And so I'm
actually like actually told I'm like,

709
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:47,119
"Well, hang on till we pass this bill, I
might have to tell you how to build it a

710
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,680
different way because once she dies, you
may or may not want to do something

711
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:54,000
different with it. And depending on how
we pass this law, you might want to put

712
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:59,760
a cross in it." And I think if we're
going to allow it, then, you know, I do

713
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:03,920
like that this requires you to get a
permit. So, somebody's looking at your

714
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:07,680
accessory dwelling. It's not just a shed
that you bought from, you know, and dug

715
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:14,240
it in there and and ran an extension
cord for power. I've seen that. So, I do

716
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:18,079
like that. I I'm afraid if we just
squash this and we don't change anything

717
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:20,480
and we leave it like it is, then you're
going to have exactly what's been

718
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,200
happening. You're just going to have
people just put a shed in there and

719
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:27,599
you're going to be like, "Oh, it's a
shed." Well, no. It's an accessory

720
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:31,119
dwelling. I do like the inspection. I'm
just, you know, what we do with the rest

721
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:35,440
of it. I don't know. But I I I would
prefer to have something rather than

722
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:38,400
nothing because I don't think if we just
do nothing, they're going to continue to

723
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:43,920
just do what they were doing, which is
basically doing it anyway. Well,

724
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:48,000
assuming y'all pass some version on
Tuesday, you're going to have something,

725
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:51,839
right? Your debate is how wide open is
that? Yeah. Right. Um, you know, that

726
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:56,079
last that was added, you're at least
putting you have to be owner or the

727
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:59,440
intended owner to get an ADU. You know,
you you have that in there. If you left

728
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:04,559
that, say you strip out all the the
highlighted parts, you're still making

729
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:09,760
the owner do it. It's not just some 40
unit subdivision coming in and saying,

730
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:13,280
"Screw your R1. I'm going to put two
rentalful units on each of these." So,

731
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:17,839
it's actually 80. And they didn't even
go through zoning, you know. So, there

732
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:22,559
are some limitations. Now again, 5 years
down the road, you have this, you sell,

733
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:27,240
you move, sell to somebody, they have
two things that they can rent

734
01:02:25,319 --> 01:02:34,319
independently. So that
one two. So are you making a little

735
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:38,200
harder to just Yes, you are. Is it going
to be impossible? No.

736
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:49,200
So it'll be for a public hearing on
Tuesday and then um you all have to make

737
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:54,799
some motion andor amendment or with the
motion on how you want to see uh the

738
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:59,760
language in F. And again, you're welcome
to examine any other part of this, but

739
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:05,040
if it's a substantial change outside of
F, it will have to go back to I have one

740
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:12,079
more juvenile question.
If I if if uh I'm I'm I'm living in your

741
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:17,680
accessory dwelling unit, Andrew, and and
I and and uh maybe we're not maybe I'm

742
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:22,799
your I'm your brother or something.
Okay. And and and I'm not you're you're

743
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:27,440
I'm living there and and I can't I can't
pay you rent under this. Correct. Uh so

744
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,319
you're saying you are an immediate
family member? I'm your immediate

745
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:36,559
family, right? You can contribute. I can
contribute. Okay. Then that question has

746
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:40,480
to answer. Okay. Yeah,
I understand as a contribute point.

747
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:44,280
Okay. I was going to say, can I offer
you I want to thank you. Thank you for

748
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:48,160
being so generous. I'd like to give you
$1,000. Does that violate rent at that

749
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,440
point? No, we're not saying that's
right. We're saying it's a contribution

750
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,960
so you can be whatever you want. But I
think that really came up because

751
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:59,680
certain family members, and I've seen
this elsewhere, you know, the

752
01:03:57,799 --> 01:04:06,079
mother-in-law, they'll be like, I'll pay
for it if you build it. So that's like

753
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:11,359
here's here's $100,000. Go build me a
thousand square foot awesome

754
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:15,039
mother-in-law house behind your house.
It's saying that's allowed, right? It

755
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:20,960
doesn't have to be money from the
owners. The family member can

756
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:26,799
contribute. So that was so that So if
his friend moves in, doesn't pay rent,

757
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:31,440
but because he's just trying to
contribute $800 a month towards the beer

758
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:36,400
fund, is it still good? Well, the
contribution part of it currently at

759
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:40,160
currently as drafted, it can only be
occupied by immediate family members.

760
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,799
So, the friend would not qualify. So,
Frank can't even stay. So, now it's not

761
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:47,680
even a guest house as the mayor was
saying because the friend can't even

762
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:52,240
sleep over the night.
So, can we go used or occupied by an

763
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:57,520
immediate family? Okay. So, now friends
can't even stay over in the couch in the

764
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:02,000
main. Oh, so your friends can't stay
over either. Don't walk in. That's a

765
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,319
little concerning, but we can we can
move on. I mean that to me that's the

766
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,599
way that's written like that that's
that's really concerning that I'd be in

767
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,920
violation of something and I wouldn't
even know that. But I think there is a

768
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:18,240
difference between coming to spend the
weekend and making that your permanent

769
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:22,440
residence. I I I I agree. But I mean
what Andrew just said though, you'd be

770
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:25,760
there's not a
distinction. So that mean at least at

771
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:33,839
the bare minimum may I think that's
something you can address either define

772
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:37,280
or or something but I I can be good now
I'm ready.

773
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:43,359
And what's one other question while
we're all together?

774
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:47,920
So in this scenario someone buys this
they get the permit for a family member.

775
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:51,680
They build it family member passageway.
They decide to sell the property. They

776
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:59,280
sold it to a different party. At that
point can that party print out the ADU.

777
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:04,160
Uh, not as
this runs with the land, so it has to be

778
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:11,520
the owner of the property owns the whole
parcel and that owner's immediate family

779
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:15,200
members can use or occupy the ADU
because Scott asked a question about or

780
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:19,440
one of you asked a question about
enforcing it. At the planning

781
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:23,920
commission, we did discuss a permitting
process where they would have to reapply

782
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:28,720
for a permit once a year, every two
years, and we decided that was going to

783
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:33,599
be too labor intensive for the code
inspector, but that part was removed.

784
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:38,400
So, if there was a permitting process,
then yes, somebody would come back and

785
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:43,200
check on a regular basis, but we chose
not to go that route. And I'll just add

786
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:48,119
that that recurring type of permit
review is for more temporary uses. And

787
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:53,200
again, this is a
full-fledged structure that is there.

788
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:57,599
So, it makes it hard. I'm glad that was
because I don't want Uncle Sam drop my

789
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:02,319
property ever so many years to take out
all Well, I'm just going to say this and

790
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:07,039
then I'm going to move on. There was a
big to-do about billboards not too long

791
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:11,039
ago. And I understand there is a
distinction between commercial property

792
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:15,280
in your home where you live. But in
terms of property owners rights, if you

793
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:19,599
own commercial property or you own
residential property, that is your

794
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:24,400
property. And in essence, property owner
rights should apply to both types of

795
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:28,240
property. So you guys were not okay with
having billboards in the center part of

796
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:32,559
town because you didn't want to look at
them. In the same vein, there are other

797
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:37,200
people in the community who do not want
to have a plethora of accessory dwelling

798
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:41,680
units in the community because they
don't want to deal with absentee

799
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:45,280
landlords who are renting these out or
people who are not maintaining the

800
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:49,839
property. So, if you're going to be
concerned about property owner rights,

801
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:53,599
be consistent in your concern about
those rights. And now, I'm going to move

802
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:57,039
on. Again, I object to that because even
on the loan process, there's distinction

803
01:07:55,359 --> 01:08:02,400
between commercial and residential.
you're both property that you want to do

804
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:05,119
things, but you can get a different rate
on buying a piece of property that

805
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,480
you're going to live in it. And there's
actually distinctions on the rate that

806
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:12,799
you get for your loan to buy. I'm not
talking about financials. I'm talking

807
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:16,319
about the hard issue of property owner,
right? There's a difference in

808
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:19,359
commercial and owner occupied. Everybody
sees that distinction and they're

809
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:22,199
treated differently. That's what we're
doing. We're being intellectually

810
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:26,960
consistent because we're treating owner
occupied. Well, I would say the people

811
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,560
who own the commercial property who are
not able to put up billboards now and

812
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:34,000
earn profit from that property, they
would probably disagree with you on that

813
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:38,400
point. You're sitting, you're looking at
two of them sitting right here, and I'll

814
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:44,239
take it.
Okay. All right. Um, at this point, at

815
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:48,040
this point, I'm about ready for us to
consider banning a

816
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:54,719
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separate all together. Well, uh, they're

817
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:59,040
as we sit here, they're not allowed. So,
it's true. And they're still here.

818
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:04,080
That's that's where I'm just It's just
So, when they're in violation, what is

819
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:09,199
the process when somebody violates? Um,
is it just a simple fine or

820
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:14,560
That's a really good question. If I've
got an accessory drilling right now

821
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:20,159
today, can you legally as a city come on
my property and prove that? Yes. You

822
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:23,759
have to go through a process. Okay. So,
it's a it's called an administrative

823
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:29,440
warrant. Uh it's different than a
criminal warrant. It's similar enough.

824
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:34,239
Um and then we would actually have to go
to chancery court for something more

825
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:38,440
than a $50 a day fine. But it is
enforceable as we stand if we get to the

826
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:44,080
point of
of if they don't take it down, you can

827
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,960
give an order to take it down and charge
them for that cost.

828
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:55,120
Is this the one extension cord was gone
from there? No, she's gone now. But

829
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:59,280
yeah, it was there. I live in the mayor.
It was there.

830
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:04,080
Okay. So, moving on to streets and
sidewalks. Item number five, we have an

831
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:11,640
ordinance establishing Jordan Street and
White, Tennessee as a one-way

832
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:11,640
street coming up.

833
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:25,280
Mayor, we we continue to get calls. Um
the the latest incident was

834
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:30,960
um school bus uh versus FedEx truck,
FedEx or UPS, I don't know.

835
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:36,640
Um two vehicles like that cannot get
down uh Jordan Street. Uh apparently the

836
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:43,840
school bus turned into Jordan Street and
and the school bus elected to then back

837
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:52,600
up uh which was them backing up into
traffic uh which doesn't sound safe.

838
01:10:48,199 --> 01:11:02,159
Um so we continue to get calls uh about
that uh asking if we could consider

839
01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:08,800
uh making uh Jordan Street one way.
I've talked to the police chief. I've

840
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:18,040
talked to uh Chief Hill and and they are
in agreement as well uh that um Jordan

841
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:24,440
should be one way uh proposing one way
from the highway 70 old Charlotte Road

842
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:29,960
area northward
toward town

843
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:33,280
road. So it's it's back.
Um, I have a question. We've been

844
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,000
talking about this for a while, even all
the way back in the previous

845
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:39,760
administration. At both times, we were
told we had existing engineers that were

846
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,520
looking at other projects that we were
going to ask to look at this as well and

847
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:46,480
make recommendations. And we have yet to
get those recommendations. So, I'm just

848
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:49,239
wondering where those engineers went,
where the recommendation went, and are

849
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:56,840
we just
moving? Well, I mean, yes, we have uh a

850
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:06,080
a
projected project uh to deal with this

851
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:12,800
area. Uh it is currently um that was a
grant that the town received. Um we're

852
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:21,040
hearing nothing about that grant now.
It's it's kind of in limbo, I think. Um

853
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:26,320
so um but the engineers are in agreement
that that that is a viable

854
01:12:23,719 --> 01:12:32,960
solution. So we're asking to just pull
this particular situation out and and

855
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:35,199
deal with it at this level. Um if if you
so

856
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:42,080
choose. And this is an ordinance, so
you'll have to have two readings.

857
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:47,080
There's no public hearing. Okay.
Okay. Any questions about street?

858
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:51,400
I'm sorry, a double.

859
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:58,960
Okay. Item number six, discuss the offer
of

860
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:05,040
a a revocable dedication to accept
Timberrest Trail in Timberrest

861
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:10,719
subdivision as a town street.
Yes, ma'am. Um, Timberrest, the

862
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:15,760
development beside F&M Bank here on
Highway

863
01:13:11,719 --> 01:13:20,400
47. Um, they have completed all the
requirements for that

864
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:26,040
development. Um, they have petitioned
the town now for asking the town to take

865
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:32,320
over that
street. It it does meet all of our our

866
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:42,280
standards. Uh what you have in your
packet is the um um offer of irreical

867
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:49,280
dedication form. Uh you also have uh
just some staff comments. Um the

868
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:55,280
highlighted section uh staff recommends
acceptance of Timber Crest Trail at the

869
01:13:51,920 --> 01:14:01,679
town street. Uh we did ask the planning
commission to set a appropriate one-year

870
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:10,199
maintenance bond amount which they did
at uh their April meeting uh they set a

871
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:10,199
bond of 16,79250.

872
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:17,840
Uh so
once if you all agree to accept the

873
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:24,440
street then once we get that bond in
place then um that would be a down

874
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,440
street.

875
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:32,280
Okay. Any questions about timber crest
trail?

876
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:44,480
So this is a actual bond is for
67170 but now we have to put up 1679

877
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,480
the

878
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:50,520
the so the current bond in place is
$57,170

879
01:14:51,679 --> 01:15:00,480
that's in place today. Um, if you accept
the street,

880
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:06,199
uh, we the planning commission
determines the the one-year maintenance

881
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:13,880
bond, and it's typically set at about
25% of the current bond. So, the the

882
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:18,960
16,000 number that I gave you is the
25%. That was what staff recommended and

883
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:22,719
that was what the planning commissioned.
The

884
01:15:19,719 --> 01:15:27,840
main I didn't Yeah, the original bond
was actually 165,000 and you get a

885
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:35,360
one-time reduction in this performance
fund which they did in 2022 down to 67

886
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:39,280
uh they've done a lot of the work and
then this is the final phase where

887
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:44,800
they're saying this is pound property
now where we make them reduce it to 25%

888
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:50,719
normally just to say hey we're going to
take it but we want some assurances that

889
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:55,920
in 364 days when we go walk out there if
there's any issues you're going to fix

890
01:15:53,520 --> 01:16:00,080
Um and then if there's no issues you
release the maintenance line. So you go

891
01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:05,560
from performance reduced performance to
maintenance to gone. That's the

892
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,560
evolution.

893
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:16,320
Okay. If there's no other questions, u
we are also looking at is it a street

894
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:24,880
light edition at 4521 highway 47 east?
Uh yes ma'am. Uh we were uh that's the

895
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:30,400
um there's four newer homes uh along 40
47 East is the one going towards Burns.

896
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:36,320
Uh there's four newer homes that are
part of that Hazel Landing subdivision.

897
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:42,080
Uh one of those homeowners there has
requested a street light. It's possible

898
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:46,159
we may come back to you on Tuesday with
another poll or two. uh police are going

899
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:51,199
to go out and take a look at it and and
and see what's appropriate. So, uh we

900
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:54,960
think we want one there and we might
come back with one or two more. I'm not

901
01:16:52,800 --> 01:17:00,000
sure. Okay.
Okay. Under parks and recreation, before

902
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:04,480
we move Oh, no. I apologize. I just had
a question for Jeff. I maybe I'm

903
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:10,239
imagining. Did I see somewhere in one of
the emails you sent out an update about

904
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:16,239
William Robert Lane? Yes. Um and and I
did take that off because it Well, it's

905
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:23,360
good news. Uh
um the the property owner had until the

906
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:30,000
end of April to uh do the required work
on William Driver Lane. Uh he did that

907
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:35,760
work um and and did it uh had the street
department there to make sure it was

908
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:40,800
done done correctly. Um so that's that's
resolved. Will we be then eventually

909
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:47,679
seeing an offer of irrevocable
dedicated? Uh it it's a good question.

910
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:51,760
Uh and it is a question that uh I was
going to talk with Andrew about. Okay.

911
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:57,440
This was the one that didn't go through
the normal process. It didn't have a

912
01:17:54,320 --> 01:18:01,159
bond, but we reached an agreement rather
than getting into litigation that they

913
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:05,199
would eventually just pave it and they
did. How we want to clean it up for the

914
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:09,920
record, we we'll deal with that. But
yeah, it it may come before you. But in

915
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,920
terms of the bond being involved, it's
okay,

916
01:18:13,719 --> 01:18:19,400
sir. And and the person in favor of the
deals.

917
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:29,199
Okay. uh discuss a resolution delegating
to the friends of White Bluffs the

918
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:35,920
authority to name areas of the Bib White
Bluff Nature Park andor interior and

919
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:44,480
exterior ring of the nature center.
Uh yes ma'am. So uh the Friends of White

920
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:50,480
Bluff is is a local 501c3 nonprofit. Um
Friends of White Bluff has been around

921
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:57,600
over 10 years now. um and and did uh we
requested this same um uh procedure uh

922
01:18:54,719 --> 01:19:03,600
when the construction of the the White
Civic Center occurred. U the friends

923
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:11,280
accepted the responsibility
uh as you recall Mr. Richard Bib donated

924
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:16,159
the land uh to the town and also uh paid
for the structure uh and the friends

925
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:21,360
accepted the responsibility of
furnishing uh the civic center with

926
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:28,880
furniture and technology and that kind
of thing. So uh to do that uh we offered

927
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:33,360
naming right uh consideration to certain
rooms in the civic center and that kind

928
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:39,440
of thing. It worked out well. We would
we would request to do that same

929
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:46,640
procedure again for the nature park and
the nature center. I think there's a lot

930
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:51,920
of options there uh for for fundraising
uh and naming rights uh both within the

931
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:57,440
park and within the the nature center
building itself. So, uh it's a process

932
01:19:55,040 --> 01:20:01,600
that we've done before. Uh we would like
to do that again to take some of that

933
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:04,800
burden off of the town. Uh if you all
see fit, we would appreciate

934
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,679
consideration. Question. This should
also allow I just want to be clear

935
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:15,120
because I think it should allow that's
what I'm asking. Um then like especially

936
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:20,719
with the nature park so trail.
Yes sir. Yes sir. The board's trying to

937
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:26,480
figure out what can be named right now.
It's a little bit of a different uh

938
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:29,679
beast than the civic center was large.
You know, rooms and rooms are one thing

939
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:33,640
I was like, "Oh, that's kind of cute
having different trails." Correct.

940
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:40,199
There's there's proposed outdoor
classrooms that could be named, things

941
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:40,199
like that. Cool.

942
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:45,480
Okay. Any other questions about the
resolution?

943
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:52,480
Okay, there are none. Uh going back to
old business, discuss the litter cleanup

944
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:57,120
date. I did reach out to the principal
at Wingel James Middle School and um she

945
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:04,960
was very enthusiastic about having
students participate in this event and

946
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:08,400
we both discussed how with school about
to end for this school year, it perhaps

947
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:14,159
would be better if we scheduled
something for the fall so that we could

948
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:18,080
have time to organize the event and then
promote it within William Page Middle

949
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:22,880
School as well as reaching out to other
members of the community. So, um, a date

950
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:28,320
has not been set yet. We just know that
we are looking at fall 2025 to do a

951
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,320
clean up

952
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:37,840
date. Okay. And then also discuss the
commerce advisory committee members. Um,

953
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:40,719
if any of the council members, if you
have someone that you would like to

954
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:44,800
recommend,
um, can certainly take those names. If

955
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:48,800
you yourself would like to serve as the
council member on the

956
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:51,040
committee, we would love to hear that as
well

957
01:21:51,159 --> 01:21:58,159
too. Anything you want to add? No, I I
just wanted to clarify we're only doing

958
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:02,719
one council member on this committee.
Correct. Yes. I believe we discussed a

959
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:07,520
council member and then four business
members starting out for now till we can

960
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:12,360
kind of feel how this is going to work
and you know work out the details.

961
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:21,920
Okay. Uh, anything about that before we
move on?

962
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:27,040
So, are we you want to recommend
business members? Yes.

963
01:22:24,440 --> 01:22:32,400
Yes. Business members within the town of
White Glove. Um, I would love it if we

964
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:38,960
could have a variety of different types
of business owners. Uh we also discussed

965
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:43,600
about once this committee is organized
about having a Facebook page or social

966
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:47,520
media pages created so that we can
promote our local businesses. We're not

967
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,760
trying to compete with the chamber of
commerce. We're just trying to zone in

968
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:55,560
more on the town of White Bluff and um
see how we can promote existing

969
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:59,199
businesses.
So see a member is there is there

970
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:03,920
probably like a membership for
businesses

971
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:10,239
like like those
I don't think we were wanting to be that

972
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:16,480
um structured right now. I think this is
more just uh advisory

973
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:20,480
based about you know forming a think
tank. How can we promote these local

974
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:24,560
businesses in town? Like we have our
main street festival and we know that's

975
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:30,239
an opportunity for businesses that are
located in the core downtown area.

976
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:33,280
That's a good base that we generate a
lot of foot traffic for those

977
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:37,920
businesses. But how could we generate
business for those that are maybe

978
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:42,880
further out away from the main street
core area? Well, I thought one of the

979
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:49,840
issues was we wouldn't distance it from
the actual town of Luff and be an

980
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:56,320
independent advisory board. So, I'm not
suggesting that we form a formal board.

981
01:23:53,280 --> 01:24:01,679
This would just be um you talking about
like a chamber of commerce type thing.

982
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:06,400
That's that's what I'm thinking. it
needs to be because it's going to have

983
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:09,280
to support itself. So, just to make the
distinction, at least how I'm viewing

984
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:13,120
this, and if you don't see it
differently, please let me know. Chamber

985
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:17,120
of Commerce is an independent thing
that's really not going to have a lot of

986
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:22,800
connection to the town. But what a lot
of towns if they see growth and want to

987
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:26,639
help the business community but also
kind of help direct it and this is the

988
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:30,639
first step and the mayor and have talked
about this. You have to get some people

989
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:34,560
in the room to start thinking about
policy and and what are some

990
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:41,280
opportunities because the ne if this
keeps growing uh the next step is to

991
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:47,239
actually enact an economic development
formal committee that will have certain

992
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:52,960
delegated powers by this body via
ordinance. So it's much more tied into

993
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:56,239
how can the the town be part to
business. If white club businesses

994
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,760
themselves want to create their own
chamber promise they can do that. They

995
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:05,679
don't need them. They're they're very
separate and and usually you don't want

996
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:11,040
the government side directly involved
with your chamber of commerce. You can

997
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:15,600
have them interact with but not be like
the source of the chamber of commerce if

998
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:19,199
that makes sense. Well, I agree that I'm
just trying to eliminate the the

999
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:24,880
situation that got this thing started in
the first place where a local business

1000
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:29,679
owner was upset because a town sponsor
town entity did not advertise his

1001
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:34,960
business like he thought it should have
been. Well, I think this entity or

1002
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:40,560
really it's not an entity, it's a ad hoc
committee, right, can talk about ways to

1003
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:47,440
address that and not let that happen
again. So this is like a stepping stone

1004
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:53,600
to an official unlike
like a standing committee that has

1005
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:58,480
powers that y'all outline and but it has
to start somewhere and I think the

1006
01:25:55,040 --> 01:26:02,880
mayor's right in that you've got to get
somebody from up here who wants to serve

1007
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:09,280
and some business members in a room to
say how can a town support local

1008
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:14,480
business right? So for instance, the
parks board is heavily involved in the

1009
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:18,719
Main Street Festival. Correct. Yes. So
if we've had a council member who's

1010
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:22,400
meeting with these local business owners
and generating ideas, things that they

1011
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:28,000
would like to see implemented, then
perhaps we can involve the parks board

1012
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:32,679
or we can help, you know, gather the
resources to enact those things, you

1013
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:38,880
know, to make them
happen. But that was my thought. Right.

1014
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:44,320
I mean, I I originally thought that it
we were going to do something to promote

1015
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:50,239
our local business opportunities and
stuff like that that would not be a part

1016
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:54,320
of the town itself. it would it be
permissible for the town to perhaps for

1017
01:26:52,639 --> 01:27:00,880
the future contribute a small amount of
money for marketing or um just resources

1018
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:08,000
so if the committee says hey we think we
want to do advertisement somewhere the

1019
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:11,920
town can maybe help fund that yes um and
I'll add I've got another jurisdiction

1020
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:15,520
that's finishing up its economic
development analysis and ordinance and

1021
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:20,560
everything so we'll actually have some
templates to use for y'all to consider

1022
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:24,639
but this is I like the stepping stone.
This is the first step in trying to

1023
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:29,360
figure that out. And it could go any
number of directions, but to be clear,

1024
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:33,120
it will not be a white blood chamber of
commerce. That would have to be

1025
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:37,600
something. Well, I know that we don't
get much of a help from the addiction

1026
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:42,960
county chamber of commerce. And that's
why I thought we were going to do

1027
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:47,199
something like that on our own. try try
to nurture and get it started and then

1028
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:51,040
say and that may be one of the policy
things that comes from this committee is

1029
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:54,280
saying hey we want to encourage local
businesses to go create the white bluff

1030
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:58,800
chamber of commerce that may be a
recommendation but it would still be

1031
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:05,199
separate um there was a white bluff
merchants association maybe 15 years ago

1032
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:11,360
and and it was pretty active for a while
but like all things it requires

1033
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:15,840
maintenance and you know new blood and
it just it kind of fell by the wayside I

1034
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:22,000
think after a while. So that's why I was
suggesting maybe if a council member is

1035
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:27,600
involved then we can kind of keep the
town connected not running it but just

1036
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:32,639
be connected somehow.
I like I like that little merch

1037
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:40,239
association but I also like to include
industry in it too. That way, you know,

1038
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:45,840
natural wires got some openings, you
know, what to

1039
01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:53,159
fill, put that in on the social media
and stuff like that, but but still be

1040
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:53,159
entirely not.

1041
01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:01,679
Okay. Any other questions about
that? Uh, if not, we will move on to

1042
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:08,159
item number eight, which is discuss the
bid for mowing of the town properties.

1043
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:11,880
And Jeff, do you want to discuss this
because you were at the bid opening? Uh,

1044
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:16,320
yes ma'am.
Um, so we we put out for

1045
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:27,760
bid as the mayor said, no town on
properties. Um, we advertised for that

1046
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:34,880
uh in the the Dixon Post. Uh, that ad
came out um April the 2nd. We also had

1047
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:40,960
uh the information on the town's website
as well as

1048
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:46,719
Facebook. Um you had four bids. We we
did the bid opening yesterday at

1049
01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:54,600
3:00. Uh you had four bids returned. You
see those on the bid tab uh document. Uh

1050
01:29:50,960 --> 01:30:01,600
prices range from 30,000 to
125,000. Um,

1051
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:05,520
were there more bids that perhaps were
incomplete or was it just four total

1052
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:09,679
bids that were No, ma'am. There were
four bids. Okay. Have we worked with any

1053
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:16,560
of these festivals?
Uh, so Justin Hayes, Hayes uh Lawn Care

1054
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:22,960
and Landscaping is who currently does
the town's mot.

1055
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:26,960
And just as a point of differentiation,
uh this bid is

1056
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:40,320
for like mowing from red light to red
light, mowing the town um here, town

1057
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:46,159
hall, the bid center, fire hall. Um what
our street department does is mows any

1058
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:51,120
of the the streets and intersections. It
cuts the weeds back for safety purposes

1059
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:55,679
and that kind of thing. This is for more
of the finished mowing, more of the

1060
01:30:53,120 --> 01:31:00,239
pretty mowing, that kind of thing. So,
yes,

1061
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:09,280
um we we've worked with Justin for a
number of years. Um I I remotely know u

1062
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:15,000
Hunter uh Haggler. Uh he does a couple
of jobs here in town that I've been town

1063
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,000
only.

1064
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:26,679
No, you go ahead. Why why aren't
we putting out the bid doing all of our

1065
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:26,679
m

1066
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:36,800
um I mean aside from the fact we just
bought a nice new mower and

1067
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:43,920
tractor and piggy back off that and or
why aren't we doing this mowing either

1068
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:52,239
one. So if if so we would request
another street department employee

1069
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:56,760
um to to do that and um if for example
you were to take the low bid I don't

1070
01:31:54,159 --> 01:32:04,000
think you can hire an employee and pay
benefits and come in that cheap

1071
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:07,920
also is an equipment
you'll have an yeah I mean because we

1072
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:11,760
don't have that equipment so the
equipment that we currently Um, it's

1073
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:16,400
more for rough mowing like the right
bush bush hog.

1074
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:20,080
Part of what was requested in this is
like he said more finish mowing but it

1075
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:24,400
also includes edging and it also
includes a certain amount of mulch um

1076
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:31,000
that was called out within the bid tree
trimming shrub trimming that kind of

1077
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,000
like DTR stuff.

1078
01:32:31,719 --> 01:32:39,360
Um show uh so we will discuss this more
on Tuesday night and

1079
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:50,480
um okay um before we adjourn for the
evening I just I meant to point this out

1080
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:58,080
at the beginning communication from the
board will be presented Tuesday night

1081
01:32:52,880 --> 01:33:03,679
but um the 2025 2026 budget was
initially on the agenda for this month

1082
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:08,800
of May. We are still making provisions
to the budget for this upcoming year. So

1083
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:12,400
if you have any questions about that, if
there are things that you want the

1084
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:16,639
department heads to include first
discuss it with the department heads. If

1085
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:20,960
you feel like what you're requesting is
not aligned with what they want to do,

1086
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:27,280
then you know, reach out to me. But the
budget is still uh in progress and it

1087
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:31,280
will be read at the June meeting. The
second reading will be July 1st. So if

1088
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:35,760
it's passed, it goes into effect
immediately. So it will be in effect

1089
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:39,840
July 1st. Anything else you want to add
about that? I just want to provide a

1090
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:44,560
very brief update. I know uh there are
some questions about some um research

1091
01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:48,880
items and I won't there's nothing to
vote on for Tuesday. So I tell you

1092
01:33:46,679 --> 01:33:52,679
tonight, probably June. They'll be in
the form of legal memos for you to

1093
01:33:50,480 --> 01:34:00,080
review.
Um, the first one is, do we have the

1094
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:05,280
ability to alter who votes in our
elections? And the answer is yes. Um,

1095
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:10,840
I'm going to find out the parameters of
that. And what I mean by that is, for

1096
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:15,600
example, I know you can't live in
Colorado, own a little strip of land

1097
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:19,199
here, and vote on election. You have to
be a resident of Tennessee. And I want

1098
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:23,040
to make sure y'all are aware of the
parameters because you would have to put

1099
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:28,080
that in there. We have a private act
charter, so we have to go through the

1100
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:31,360
process of amending our charter. So that
would be something we would want to do

1101
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:35,679
before the end of the year so we could
take up take it up first thing to the

1102
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:39,880
general assembly in January. Um so it
would be in effect for the 2026

1103
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,520
uh
elections. regarding home rule and term

1104
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:49,840
limits and the reason they're tied
together, you are not empowered either

1105
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:55,679
through charter or ordinance or anything
to put term limits on elected officials.

1106
01:34:53,520 --> 01:35:01,360
In order to do that, you would have to
switch to home rule. And for those who

1107
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:05,000
don't know, there's really only three
ways you could be incorporated as a city

1108
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:11,120
in
Tennessee. Prior to 1953, everyone was a

1109
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:14,800
private act. You drafted your whole
charter which is your mini constitution

1110
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:19,520
for your jurisdiction and the
legislature passed it and that's for

1111
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:24,840
your jurisdiction. We are a private act.
City of Dixon is a private act. Is a

1112
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:31,679
private act. Charlotte's a private
act. If you incorporated uh this is a

1113
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:36,320
hard date after 1990 uh but even before
um in certain instances you're under a

1114
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:39,520
general law. So there's three types of
governments that are just out there as a

1115
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:43,600
general law. You may have heard of board
of mayor and alderman or board of

1116
01:35:41,719 --> 01:35:47,600
commissioners. Fairview is a board of
commissioners. They're under a public

1117
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:52,880
act which means every city that adopts
that is the exact same charter. Um you

1118
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:58,480
don't have the ability to amend it for
yourself. That's one of the downsides.

1119
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:04,080
Um, the last type is home rule, which is
much more similar to a private act, but

1120
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:09,199
after you go through it, you're no
longer going to the legislature to

1121
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:16,159
change your charter. You don't have that
option anymore. It is a referendum at

1122
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:20,159
the general election. So, I'll have some
pros and cons. Uh, money is going to be

1123
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:23,520
a big factor. Does it affect any of our
tax revenues from the state? I think

1124
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:27,679
we're going have to think about that.
Um, but that's the only way to be able

1125
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:32,480
to add term limits. So, you'd have to
adopt it. That'd be 2026. And then you'd

1126
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:37,760
have to put on the ballot in 2028 term
limits. So, it wouldn't apply till after

1127
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:42,800
the 2028 election. So, it would only
apply to officials elected in 2030. So,

1128
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:48,159
it is a process, but if you wanted to
start it, you could. Uh, but home rule

1129
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:53,440
is a really big change. Only there's 346
municipalities in

1130
01:36:49,960 --> 01:37:00,239
Tennessee. 14 are home rule. That's like
4%. And those are most of them, not all

1131
01:36:56,639 --> 01:37:05,000
are the big boys. It's Chattanooga, uh,
Johnson City, Knoxville, Memphis, Mount

1132
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:09,520
Juliet, Oakidge,
Severeville who really want to have

1133
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:12,320
separation from the General Assembly uh,
and not go to them asking for

1134
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:17,679
amendments. They're going to take care
of themselves. Um, but that also means

1135
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:22,719
there's not this plethora of information
about how home is affecting people. the

1136
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:25,840
sample size is a lot smaller than all
the other types. So, I will have answers

1137
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:30,320
for you. It's just going to take a
little bit of time. Um, it would be a

1138
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:33,199
big change. So, sometimes we tend to
change our charter and we can do it

1139
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:36,159
fairly quickly and go to the
legislature. That's not going to be on

1140
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:40,639
the table unless you want to have a
special election and those cost 20 to

1141
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:43,520
30,000 a pop uh if you didn't do it
quickly. So, there's there's things I

1142
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:47,040
think you're going to have to think
about. So, I'm going to try to get you

1143
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:52,719
something this summer so you can be
chewing and lulling as we go into

1144
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:57,199
football season and maybe by the end of
the year you've reached a conclusion on

1145
01:37:54,480 --> 01:38:02,880
that. And you don't have to treat home
rule and term limits in the same boat as

1146
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:06,080
property voting because that's available
now. You don't have to switch to home

1147
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:10,000
rule to change who gets to vote and
property rights uh allowing you to vote

1148
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:13,119
while you don't live in the city limit.
Uh but I'll have both of those for you

1149
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:17,440
and you can decide. But those would be
two separate resolutions you would have

1150
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:21,679
to pass to send up to the legislature
and then hopefully they come back and

1151
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:26,239
you vote again. Um, and that's a multi
process. So that's a brief update. I

1152
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:31,400
know we've talked a couple times and at
least two or three times about having

1153
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:36,800
a for
consideration the cost for this upcoming

1154
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:40,719
budget for overlays and of that nature.
I know we've talked a few times about

1155
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:44,639
overlay and and what it would what we
could do inhouse versus what we have to

1156
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:47,840
outsource to the third party. I'm just
wondering if if we've been able to get

1157
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:51,679
those numbers on how much that would run
to for at least consideration in this

1158
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:56,159
upcoming budget.
I don't have those at the moment, but

1159
01:38:53,920 --> 01:39:01,080
let me talk to the mayor and Amanda
about that and I know we talked about

1160
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:09,119
74, but
I we'll add it to the list.

1161
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:16,480
Yes sir. So you're talking about uh the
first thing as far as people who can

1162
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:22,480
vote in our election. Does that uh go
coincide with people who can

1163
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:26,800
actually be in the election and be
elected?

1164
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:31,040
That's in the constitution. You have to
be a resident within the municipal

1165
01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:36,360
limits to run for office. This is about
who gets to cast a vote on that ballot.

1166
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:43,000
No ifsands or buts. Correct.
Okay. So, if I'm a property

1167
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:48,560
owner but not a not live on that
property because there's not a house

1168
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:54,199
that I still get to. As it stands right
now, you have to reside in a municipal

1169
01:39:51,760 --> 01:40:00,639
period. There are some jurisdictions
here uh that says if you own land in the

1170
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:07,920
jurisdiction
um you also get to vote uh in their

1171
01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:12,480
elections. So how do we get to that? I'm
going to get you involved. Okay. Thank

1172
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:18,960
you. But I think what he was asking what
was asking was to run for to run for

1173
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:22,960
office.
I that's not going to change. y'all

1174
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:28,960
catch up this one budget question. So,
in the past as well, we've been here.

1175
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:33,520
So, and I I didn't really realize this
until I've been on council for a couple

1176
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:38,760
years, but the request of the department
heads came to city

1177
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:43,920
administration. We were shown
what what the budget was after it was

1178
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:50,080
cut. And so, we didn't really get to see
what department heads had asked for. We

1179
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:55,600
just got to see what staff would like to
see passed. Last year that wasn't the

1180
01:40:52,960 --> 01:41:00,800
case and and and a lot of people blamed
the mayor present time, not present

1181
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:07,320
mayor, past mayor. But in reality, she
presented what was asked and so we

1182
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:14,320
passed that based on what was asked for.
So, what I would love if possible is if

1183
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:17,760
staff does make cuts um because it can
be uncomfortable for a department is

1184
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:23,360
I've tried to dig in the past. They're
hesitant to say uh what they asked for

1185
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:26,480
compared to what got presented. I would
love for us to be able to see, okay,

1186
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:30,639
this is what got presented. These are
the cuts we made and these are this is

1187
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:35,440
why. Um because that gives us a better
understanding of you know because a lot

1188
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:39,119
of people's like you know why haven't we
bought a fire truck when they were in

1189
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:43,239
such bad shape. Well because it never
was presented and so even if he asked

1190
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:48,560
for it and I don't know if he did or
didn't but we didn't see it. And so and

1191
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:53,040
that's that's one of my bigger concerns.
I'm not opposed to cuts. I would just

1192
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:58,480
like to know if they're cut what was cut
and why we felt it needed to be. That's

1193
01:41:55,440 --> 01:42:02,840
fair. And I would love for you, but I
would also love for our department heads

1194
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:10,280
to type these things up and have them
legible so that we can present them in a

1195
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:10,280
professional and formal manner.

1196
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:17,239
Not on the back of a
napkin and then I would be happy to

1197
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:21,400
share those with
every Thank you.

1198
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:27,080
Anything else? Okay, we're journal.