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[0:00] Good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to call the City of White Rock, regular council meeting of October 20th to 25 to order.
[0:07] And we're going to start in a good way by acknowledging that we are gathered on the traditional unceded territory of the San Diego First Nation, within the broader territory of the coast of the other peoples.
[0:18] Now, I'm going to call on our Honorable Judge Bowery, correct, to perform the oath of office for the new councilors coming in.
[0:30] Thank you.
[0:40] There's the microphone for you.
[0:43] Thanks.
[0:44] Yes, just here what I'm going to do is just ask you to recite the oath.
[0:48] So, Ms. Baines, I'll ask you to take the oath of office.
[0:52] And if you could recite that oath, thank you.
[0:58] I, Susan Baines, do solemnly affirm that I am qualified to hold the office of Councillor for the City of White Rock, to which I have been elected.
[1:08] I have complied with the provisions of the Local Government Act in relation to my election to this office.
[1:14] I will abide by all rules related to conflicts of interest under the community charter.
[1:19] I will carry out my duties within integrity.
[1:22] I will be accountable for the decisions that I make and the actions that I take in the course of my duties.
[1:29] I will be respectful of others.
[1:31] I will demonstrate leadership and collaboration.
[1:35] I will perform the duties of my office in accordance with the law.
[1:52] Thank you.
[2:22] Mary and Council, members of the public, I welcome Councillor Baines.
[2:32] You can just recite the oath of attorney.
[2:56] I, Anthony Manning, do solemnly affirm that.
[3:00] I am qualified to hold the office of Councillor for the City of White Rock, to which I have been elected.
[3:06] I have complied with the provisions of the Local Government Act in relation to my election to this office.
[3:12] I will abide by all rules related to conflicts of interest under the community charter.
[3:17] I will carry out my duties within integrity.
[3:20] I will be accountable for the decisions that I make and the actions that I take and the course of my duties.
[3:26] I will be respectful of others.
[3:28] I will demonstrate leadership and collaboration.
[3:31] I will perform the duties of my office in accordance with the law.
[3:55] Mary and Council, members of the public, I welcome you.
[4:11] Thank you, Judge.
[4:24] We appreciate you coming out this afternoon.
[4:27] Now, I am going to allow the new members of Council to say a few words, so we will start with the Councillor Baines.
[4:36] Thank you, Mayor.
[4:37] Good afternoon, everyone.
[4:39] First, I want to thank the residents of White Rock for placing your trust in me.
[4:43] It is an honor to roll into this role and serve this amazing community.
[4:50] I also want to thank my family and friends for all your love and support.
[4:55] As we are here today, I am mindful that we are in the midst of the Wally.
[4:59] The festival of lights, a time that symbolizes new beginnings, a triumph of light over darkness and the strength of community.
[5:08] It feels fitting to mark this new beginning together.
[5:11] The Wally reminds us of hope, renewal and the power of community and that is exactly the spirit I bring to this work.
[5:18] As your Councillor, I am here to listen, to learn and make thoughtful decisions.
[5:23] Working with my fellow Councillors to ensure that choices we make truly reflect the wants and needs of the residents.
[5:31] Thank you again for this incredible opportunity.
[5:34] And I wish you all a joyful and bright Wally.
[5:37] Okay, now we will go to the other side and Councillor Manney.
[5:45] Thank you, Mayor Knight.
[5:46] I would just like to thank the residents of White Rock for letting me have the opportunity to return to Council.
[5:52] And I look forward to serving you for the next 12 months.
[6:00] Okay, we are going to move on with the Council meeting now.
[6:03] So if anybody wants to escape, this is the time to do so.
[6:08] Okay, I'm going to look for adoption of the agenda as Circulated Council.
[6:12] So moved.
[6:13] Oh, I'm sorry.
[6:14] It is amended this evening as correct.
[6:17] That's correct.
[6:18] The delegation from Mr. Gumbly is no longer on the agenda.
[6:21] Okay, so I guess he's rescheduling then.
[6:23] Okay.
[6:24] As amended, please.
[6:25] So moved.
[6:26] Second.
[6:27] All of the paper.
[6:28] Opposed?
[6:29] Next is adoption of the minutes from the October 6th, 25th meeting.
[6:33] So moved.
[6:34] Second.
[6:35] All of the paper.
[6:36] Opposed, carried.
[6:37] And we'll move on to the question and answer period.
[6:40] And I'll hand that over to Mr. Arthur.
[6:43] Thank you, Mayor.
[6:45] Question and answer period will be time to not exceed 15 minutes.
[6:48] If there are a number of speakers, Council may wish to extend this time by a vote of a further 50 minutes to be conducted prior to the conclusion of the Council meeting.
[6:56] Each speaker will be given two minutes and one opportunity to speak.
[7:00] Speakers are asked to begin by stating their name and city of residents.
[7:04] This information will be included in the meeting minutes in a summary of the question.
[7:08] And any comments or answers provided will also be placed on the city website.
[7:13] It's noted that there to be no questions or comments on a matter that's been the subject of a public hearing.
[7:18] During the time between the public hearing and final consideration of the council.
[7:22] Thank you, Mr. Arthur.
[7:27] Is there a sign-up sheet?
[7:29] Mr. Honso?
[7:30] Yes, we have two people signed up to speak today.
[7:32] First on the list is Erica Johansson.
[7:34] Please come forward.
[7:41] Just need your name and city of residents, please.
[7:45] Erica Johansson, so sorry.
[7:49] During the recent bi-election many candidates and the mayor spoke of strengthening collaboration with the city of Surrey.
[7:57] However, the mayor's unauthorized disclosure of in-camera information and the possibility of other breaches gone unnoticed.
[8:06] Risks undermining the trust needed for effective inter municipal cooperation.
[8:11] At an all candidates meeting on September 7, Mayor Megan Knight disclosed a request from the city of Surrey to the city of Whiterock to co-fund the South Surrey pool.
[8:23] This matter was introduced, discussed, and voted down in a closed, in-camera meeting during the previous council's term.
[8:32] The information has never been publicly released as confirmed by a freedom of information request.
[8:40] And its disclosure constitutes a breach of section 117 of the community charter.
[8:46] In addition, the mayor failed to provide contacts for Surrey's request, which left the impression that the previous council's decision was arbitrary and ill-advised.
[8:57] The question is, what steps will council take to address this breach and restore public confidence in the confidentiality and lawful governance of this municipality?
[9:09] Thank you for the question and that will be up to council to decide.
[9:13] Thank you.
[9:16] Ms. John Stone, who's next?
[9:20] Next on the list, I've got a cease, Jasmine, and Samara.
[9:24] Okay, please come forward. Just need your name and city of residence, please.
[9:32] Hello, our names are receipts, Jasmine and Samara, and we are students from Whiterock Elementary.
[9:52] Today we will be presenting about the volume.
[9:55] The volume is the most joyful festival in India and across the world.
[9:59] The festival of lights is not only about sweets and celebrations. It's about happiness and spreading kindness.
[10:08] People celebrate the volume by cleaning and decorating their homes with the moongoes.
[10:17] The volume is important to Punjabi culture because it is celebrated as Panditur Devastah Prisoner released it, which marks our liberation of the 6th group with her goben Singh Ji and 52 other princess.
[10:30] That released in 1619, the festival also shares general importance in Sikhism as a symbol of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil and freedom over unjustice.
[10:44] The volume is most important to Hindus because when Lord Rama returned to Ayodhya after 14 years of defeating Ravana, his family lighted Diaz because they didn't have lights.
[10:56] So they lighted Diaz all around the house to celebrate. The volume is special to all of us because it is a time we get together with our whole family to celebrate and have cultural food that we enjoy.
[11:07] Thank you for listening to our presentation.
[11:13] Thank you for coming forward and happy to all of you too.
[11:18] Have a good evening. Okay, Council, we're going to move on to presentations and we've got white rock RCMP Corly report from our staff sergeant Rob Dixon.
[11:43] You know how to clear a room?
[11:59] Okay, thank you very much for allowing me to come and make this presentation.
[12:04] I'm going to be doing two quarters tonight because we didn't get a chance before the summer break to go over the second quarter.
[12:10] So quarter two April 1st to June 30th.
[12:16] In quarter two twenty twenty five we received one thousand eight hundred fifty five calls.
[12:21] That's the comparison to the one thousand seven hundred ninety nine calls we've received in twenty twenty four.
[12:26] At that time here today we had three thousand two hundred and twelve calls in total.
[12:31] So from those four hundred seventy three reported since we're deemed to be criminal occurrences.
[12:37] Fifty percent made was made up by property crime disturbance or breach files were twenty six percent.
[12:43] Persons offenses nineteen criminal driving for and drug offenses made up one percent.
[12:50] In quarter two we afforded twenty one charges from those so those would be ones that we had enough evidence to actually afford charges to crown and have been laid.
[13:02] Break and enters so property crime residential we had fourteen break and enters in that time period.
[13:08] We managed to identify suspects in three of those and the others are still under investigation.
[13:13] Seventeen business break and enters so that's.
[13:17] Clarified it's not just like commercial businesses but that also makes up.
[13:22] Storage lockers in.
[13:24] Stratabillings those types of things so in that time period eleven of those were in fact two storage lockers or somebody even breaches a parquet.
[13:34] That is considered a.
[13:36] Break and enter.
[13:37] Centennial arena was the subject of one break and enter at that time.
[13:42] Crimes against person actually sorry I'm going to back up there to.
[13:45] I wish I could believe this on a technical issue but I just.
[13:48] Didn't include it in the in the power point so that from vehicle at that time we had forty four.
[13:53] That from vehicles at that time in the second quarter of twenty twenty five compared to twenty twenty four we had twenty five.
[14:01] Thept of vehicles we had thirteen and when you compare that to twenty twenty four we had eight.
[14:06] So we are seeing an increase in those types of things and I'll speak about that in a bit.
[14:12] Crimes against persons eighty nine incidents eighty eight and twenty twenty four so about on par with twenty four forty seven percent of those are harassment extortion or threats.
[14:22] Or would fall in those categories forty six percent were assaults and seven percent were sexual offenses.
[14:28] Again it's important to keep in mind there's a broad range of what we can constitute a sexual offense.
[14:34] And no robberies reported at time.
[14:37] We're going to traffic enforcement eight hundred and ten violation tickets are written notices were given out during that period of time.
[14:44] April two to eight may three forty one June twenty six sorry June two sixty one and there were twenty one in par drivers are moving from the road.
[14:53] This is just an overview of the locations where the traffic enforcement was done obviously it's all the main thoroughfare.
[15:00] And we can't really tell how many there are there, because as you're putting the dots on the path they overlap.
[15:09] So mental health act calls. In quarter two, we had 38 assessments and our apprehensions.
[15:16] Moving on to quarter three, which in terms of July 1st to September 30th.
[15:26] So we had 278 calls in that quarter compared to 1,975 of the year previously.
[15:34] And at that time we had 5,290 calls to date.
[15:39] Again, 439 of those were deemed to be criminal offenses.
[15:43] Property crime, again, makes up about 50%, the service breach 22.
[15:47] Perference offenses 20. Criminal driving 7% and drug offenses 1%.
[15:53] In that time period we forward 38 charges of crown, which in quarter 3 of 2024 we forwarded 34, so that's about on par.
[16:01] Again, residential, we had 14 again, suspects identified in 3, and the others under investigation businesses dropped 13.
[16:12] Crime is against person 89 incidents, 38% harassment extortion threat, 52% assaults, 7% sexual offenses, and 3% or robberies.
[16:23] On traffic enforcement, 795 written tickets or notices, July 352, August 240, September 203, 32 impaired drivers in the road.
[16:34] So throughout the summer we did,
[16:37] Reins and extra bodies strictly for traffic enforcement.
[16:40] There's lots of complaints within the community about traffic, so we started doing targeted enforcement.
[16:46] Two or three members specific to traffic offenses.
[16:50] So we were able to bring up our numbers there.
[16:55] And again, that's a distribution.
[16:59] So one thing I wanted to touch on with property crime is that as you saw it,
[17:05] it makes up about 50% of our call volume.
[17:09] And I would venture to say that it's probably higher not.
[17:12] We do seem to have or be experiencing an issue with what would be considered like a lower level property crime.
[17:20] Here, theft from vehicles, theft of vehicles, breaking under two underground parking, that type of thing.
[17:26] So we're looking at that to try to determine how we can best approach that.
[17:32] What I would ask is that in conversations with the public, if you could encourage people to report even those most minor things,
[17:39] like, oh, I got my car broken into.
[17:41] It's a very important that we know about that.
[17:43] So I know it can be a hassle and I know that people are set up of reporting and feeling that nothing ever comes of it.
[17:49] I understand that, but it really helps us out to determine, you know, potentially who is doing these things and get some charges on them.
[18:00] And without it, just want to touch on quickly community policing over the summer.
[18:07] So our community policing volunteers, several programs, citizens on patrol.
[18:13] So these are the volunteers that go out and they, they're actually driving around the ban right now.
[18:18] And they do things like they drive through the commercial area and look and see that there's no open doors.
[18:23] Those types of things, they'll call us if they see somebody passed on the side of the road.
[18:27] That kind of an extra set of eyes out there on the road.
[18:31] Several community engagements, candidate, concert, C-Fest, hot meal delivery, seniors.
[18:36] Road safety.
[18:37] We've got them out doing speed watch, stop sign watch, school zones, et cetera.
[18:41] Crime prevention through environmental design.
[18:43] So that's both done through block watch and through our volunteer program.
[18:47] They can come out and take a look at a property and kind of determine things that could be changed or or
[18:52] extra lighting or whatever that might cut down on some crime that they're experiencing.
[18:56] And in total there was 1,026.5 hours of volunteer services community through our volunteers the summer.
[19:02] And block watch delivered 24 training and information sessions in that time period.
[19:08] That if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer.
[19:11] Thank you staff Sergeant.
[19:13] I just had one question about, you said the criminal charge is recommended to crown council.
[19:18] What are the percentages that go through?
[19:21] I mean you recommend them you do all the work, but what actually?
[19:24] Those are ones that those numbers are the ones that that go through.
[19:30] Yeah it depends.
[19:32] We recommend them based on our belief that we have enough evidence.
[19:36] Crowns sometimes they evaluate things a bit differently.
[19:39] They have a lot more considerations to take in.
[19:42] So I don't have an actual percentage.
[19:44] I could probably get that for you though.
[19:46] Okay, thank you.
[19:47] Council, any questions?
[19:48] Councillor Cessney.
[19:50] Thank you.
[19:51] Staff Sergeant Dixon.
[19:53] Similar to what the mayor just asked the charges.
[19:56] A breakdown you gave us a bulk number, but what are the majority of the charges that have been laid?
[20:01] I believe the majority of the charges are generally in relation to crimes against persons.
[20:06] So assaults, crimes against persons, so assaults those types of things.
[20:09] Those are generally the ones that do get laid.
[20:12] Further to that, just one other thing.
[20:14] The amount of tickets that you have issued 795.
[20:17] Can you give us a rough breakdown?
[20:20] Was that loud mufflers speeding?
[20:22] Speeding and excessive noise I believe.
[20:25] And then other things like rolling through stop signs, those types of offenses under the act.
[20:31] And if I might just one final question, I don't know whether you have more in your presentation tonight.
[20:36] I don't know.
[20:37] Okay, so one of the things that we received was information about the community engagement.
[20:43] Foot patrols, bicycle patrols.
[20:46] I'll be very honest.
[20:48] I have yet to really see examples of that in the community.
[20:51] And I know that it's one of the things I hear from the community over and over again is the,
[20:56] what they feel or perceive as the lack of visibility of the RCMP detachment on the streets.
[21:01] And why truck?
[21:02] Can you reply to that or make any kind of statement that would leave any situations that people are feeling that.
[21:09] There's just not that presence.
[21:12] I a foot patrol from a storage storage is popping in saying hello how are things going anything we can do we're right here to work with you.
[21:20] Can you give me an overview of that?
[21:22] So throughout the summer we do extensive beach patrols and we do bike patrol throughout the city including in in the uptown.
[21:30] I can't speak for what people don't see.
[21:32] I know that I've received several comments saying it was nice to see our members out there on foot and on bike.
[21:38] But I can't speak to what people aren't seeing.
[21:40] We do have a limited number of members and we have a limited number of times.
[21:44] So we try to get out there as best we can.
[21:46] But if people aren't seeing us and they wish to then please by all means forward my number to them and I would be happy to touch base with them.
[21:54] Thank you very much.
[21:56] Council any other.
[21:58] Council.
[22:00] Thank you for your presentation, Sergeant Dixon.
[22:03] And I'm echoing similarly to what Councilor Chesney said during my campaigning it was brought to my attention many many times about.
[22:13] Not seeing the visibility and I understand that is one of your priorities.
[22:18] And I saw in the history of plan.
[22:20] Digging a little bit deeper into which Councilor Chesney was saying is there a plan for.
[22:29] Alternate hours because what I was hearing was it's a lot of patrols and foot foot patrols and visibility is needed in the overnight evening hours along the waterfront and marine drive.
[22:43] Can you can you speak to that please.
[22:46] Well in the summertime when we have the busy season we do have foot patrols along marine drive.
[22:51] We also have bike patrols along marine drive and uptown.
[22:55] So in the winter we we don't have generally bike patrols.
[22:58] We are going to have the mode on certain events like Halloween and whatnot, but generally speaking we don't have those bike patrols.
[23:03] We do have regular patrols that are out all the time, but again we also have to attend to calls for service.
[23:09] So there's the product of side of it we're out patrolling and patrol makes up about 50% of the time my members spent out there.
[23:16] But a good quarter of it is is attending calls and some calls may take one member some calls may take two or three members depending on what it is.
[23:23] And then we have to deal with things like you know hospital wait times we have to deal with all sorts of other things and we get into that.
[23:29] So again if you are hearing that from the community I would love it if you would pass my number along and always open to speaking with community members to see how we can better serve them.
[23:39] Sorry and just to clarify on the hours is there certain hours that that only happens or is it kind of around the clock.
[23:46] Well we police 24 seven here in the city.
[23:49] Yeah.
[23:50] For the patrols.
[23:51] Thank you.
[23:53] Councilor Chavale is next.
[23:55] Thank you Mayor one just one question thank you for the reports.
[23:59] This summer this council had hired a couple of security guards to patrol the park aid and you know uniform presence along the waterfront.
[24:09] Obviously private security is limited ability to do anything other than the eyes and ears.
[24:13] Did you find that at all in your experience helpful to have a few more uniform people just keeping your eyes on things on the waterfront?
[24:19] Yeah it's always helpful to have extra people out there that can call things in to us for sure because we can only be in so many spots at once right.
[24:25] So I know they were assisting with with patrols along the waterfront and they were also assisting with patrols in particular I believe with the park aid.
[24:31] And we did receive a few calls from them.
[24:35] I don't have the specific numbers so I'm still waiting on the on the wrap up from the beach patrols this year and then hopefully I'll have some more specifics for you.
[24:42] Okay thank you very much.
[24:44] Anyone else not seen any thank you staff sergeant.
[24:48] Oh Bill sorry council lines.
[24:50] I wasn't thanks Renee through to staff sergeant digs and with the I guess the proliferation release of a lot of driving and fractions along especially along marine drive as we saw on the on the the overhead presentation that you provided.
[25:05] A lot of incidents usually happen on marine drive.
[25:09] Would it be beneficial for the for the city to take a look at at a ping the I guess the traffic enforcement.
[25:17] Maybe have another officer or or do some reallocation or how how we thought so least on that.
[25:26] I do believe that a dedicated traffic officer would be helpful right now we have we are doing that we brought in as I mentioned earlier.
[25:36] Another program where we bring officers on overtime dedicated straight to traffic.
[25:40] But I would have to get some numbers in order to really look at them to look at just the occasion for.
[25:46] Okay I understand.
[25:47] If I could just continue I know that definitely we don't want to be jumping in too much at least in the overtime so it's going to be cost benefit that has to be associated with it but if if it is a case where we're a dedicated.
[26:02] Team of sorts would be put in a place and they might be beneficial for for at least reducing traffic and maybe also providing those optics at least where people are saying that that there's not much in the way of.
[26:14] Or these there's not as much visibility as as as people would like to see but if you have those at least especially on marine drive I think that might turn things around.
[26:25] Thank you.
[26:26] Thank you.
[26:28] Okay council we're going to move on to the next corporate report that's expanded emergency medical services by white rock firefighters and we got chief Davy here to see me.
[26:39] Chief Davy.
[26:47] The intention of this report is just to inform everybody that will be initiating some new medical services to the community starting on October the 27th.
[26:55] There's a ministerial order there's a ministerial.
[27:00] Ministerial order order by Adrian Dixon a couple of years ago that required us to upgrade the skill sets of all of our firefighters not necessarily do we need to resource the services to fulfill these services but we've done that.
[27:18] And because we had to do that for the order for for the ministerial order we are going to introduce them to the community starting on the 27th of October.
[27:27] That'll include administering some medications such as epinephrine for severe allergic reactions.
[27:33] It'll also include administering glucagon for unconscious diabetic patients and then also some moon packing for some light life threatening bleeding.
[27:42] These are some services that we hadn't previously been administering but it's going to start on Monday October 27th.
[27:52] Thank you chief Davy. Any questions for the chief not seen any get off easy tonight.
[27:57] Thank you.
[27:58] I need a mover seat please.
[28:00] Second.
[28:01] All of them paper.
[28:02] Post carried.
[28:03] Next we're going to go on to the summer recreation activity update 2025 and this is from Mr. Wolgar.
[28:11] Yeah. Thank you, worship.
[28:13] We're pleased to share this report that summarizes the programs organized by the recreation department this past summer.
[28:21] All told there was over 2,000 participants in the summer day camp program and additional 1600 in registered summer programs.
[28:30] The day camp programs provide skill acquisition and personal growth.
[28:35] They incorporate physical activity and outdoor play and provide parents with high quality affordable childcare for the summer months.
[28:44] In addition, they provide employment and leadership opportunities for youth in our community.
[28:50] These day camps occur at various city facilities and parks over the summer.
[28:55] And include such options in the creative arts, science, sports and the outdoors.
[29:01] New camps, this past summer included drama camps for budding, vest beans, dream builders for future architects and engineers.
[29:10] And a waterfront life saving club for those wanting to pursue employment as a lifeguard.
[29:17] Registered programs this past summer included activities of the beach, like paddle boarding, pilates and canoeing. Yes, we did do pilates at the beach.
[29:27] And our seniors did not miss out as they boarded the city's bus to many outings in the lower mainland, including the Vancouver Symphony, the air show and the P&E fair.
[29:39] All these programs build social development and enhance friendships and help reduce social isolation for older adults.
[29:46] And I'm happy to answer any questions.
[29:49] Great, thank you Mr. Volgar. And I have to say that Councillor Chang and I attended a Zumba class down there.
[29:55] I couldn't walk for two days afterwards.
[29:58] So it was a lot of fun.
[30:00] I just got a question on, it looks like, you know, your numbers are rising like crazy here. Is it because we're offering more camps or more variety?
[30:10] I would say it's a combination of both. I think we're trying to be creative. What's the market asking? What are the parents asking out there and trying to spread out the different types of offerings that we have?
[30:24] Great. Yeah. I think the, the Surrey White Rock racial, too. Like, I'd like to see those stats of how many Surrey residents are signing up for this compared to the White Rock because the number one complaint I get for most parents is, you know, I can't get my kid into swimming lessons or I can't, I can't use this facility because it's all for Surrey and by the time I get on the queue, I get bumped off the queue. So we get quite a bit of that. So I'll just hand it over to council. Councilor Chao.
[30:53] Thank you. Through the chair. Thank you so much Mr. Wolgar for your report. It was excellent. So for low income families, if they want to participate, but they don't have the funds, can they participate?
[31:02] Yeah. Through your work with the councilor Chao. Yes. We have a leisure assistance program to help those that wouldn't have the ability to pay.
[31:12] Thank you very much for the chair to Mr. Wolgar. The recreational programs profitable. Revenue neutral. How does that kind of shake out at the end of the season?
[31:26] Yeah. Through your work with the councilor Chao. I guess it depends on all the costs that you put into it, but from a direct cost point of view, it covers all of its costs.
[31:39] You know, if you start putting into all of the soft costs and you know, use of buildings and how much staff time, registration software, all that kind of stuff, it's a little less clear.
[31:53] But certainly from a, it covers all of its direct operating costs. Thank you very much.
[31:59] Councilor Manning, your next. Thank you, Mayor, through yourself to Mr. Wolgar. I wanted to commend you for the triad program.
[32:10] That's pretty innovative and we've got some incremental revenue. So, thank you very much.
[32:18] Okay. Anyone else? Councilor Bains.
[32:22] Thank you, Mayor. I just have a question about adaptive programs. And if that's something that you're bringing to
[32:28] the recreation programs.
[32:31] Through your works with councilor Bains. Yeah. So, in summer of 2024, we worked with Unity to deliver a program that they were geared specifically towards those with, you know, unique needs.
[32:50] And of course, that's a well-known organization on the peninsula. It didn't get a huge take up in 2024, and Unity wasn't interested in continuing to provide that for us in 2025.
[33:04] So, upon their advice, we look to incorporate those, those children that needed those extra supports into our existing programs and had them accompanied with with caregivers or other support.
[33:20] Sorry, one. Okay. No. A question there just and has have you been able to work with the white rocks accessibility committee on that end.
[33:32] Yeah. Through your works for the councilor Bains. I don't believe we worked with specifically with the accessibility committee on that one.
[33:41] Okay. Thank you. Okay. Anyone else? Not seeing any other? I'll just need a move or a seat, please.
[33:47] It's a move. Second. All those in favor? Post, carried. Next is 2025 events year in review and this is Mr. Roll Gargain.
[33:56] Thank you, Worship. Please provide a summary of the events for the past year and a little bit of a year in review.
[34:05] Over the past 12 months, the city hosted a total of 76 events with an estimated combined attendance of 330,000 people.
[34:17] These ranged from small class C events with a few dozen people where the city provides the support to a community event sponsor or right up through to major class A events run by the city that brings in tens of thousands of people to our shore.
[34:32] A few of these events have been highlighted in the report.
[34:37] This should be noted that staff will be bringing forward a report in November of the 2026 proposed events and will be seeking council direction at that time on potential changes.
[34:51] Have a little short video presentation of our events this past year.
[35:07] Thank you.
[35:37] Thank you.
[36:07] That's very good. Thank you, Mr. Roll Gargain.
[36:10] Thank you. I just add that special events in white rock support and build community connections community pride and cultural development.
[36:19] They provide a wide variety of entertainment choices and encourage gathering opportunities for residents and visitors to meet and celebrate and become better connected to their community.
[36:30] Happy to answer any questions.
[36:33] Thank you very much. The culture crawl that we just had was very good. I mean we went around quite a few different things and all the kids singing and the artwork and the dancing and I mean there was just so much going on. It was very well done and kudos to staff for everything.
[36:50] Council any questions. Councillor Manning and then Councillor Lawrence.
[36:54] Thank you, Mayor, for yourself to Mr. Roll Gargain.
[36:56] Kettin today by the bay is extremely popular and consequently gets very congested down on marine.
[37:04] Is it feasible for us to look for a sponsor to run a shuttle safe from the mall or semi secondary down to marine drive to ease some of that congestion?
[37:14] Through your worship to Councillor Manning.
[37:17] We're going to bring forward a report in November that's going to highlight some potential changes and options.
[37:23] We have explored a shuttle and it is very expensive. It depends, I guess.
[37:30] We could certainly scale it, but there's a significant cost to that.
[37:35] Certainly sponsors are an option, but we've found ourselves. It's been tougher asking for corporate sponsors and our colleagues from across the lower mainland have also experienced that.
[37:51] But certainly that's a possibility.
[37:56] Maybe white rock rotary. I don't know.
[37:59] Councillor Lawrence next. Thank you, Mayor tonight.
[38:03] Through you, Mr. Roll Gargain. Great presentation, Mr. Roll Gargain.
[38:07] You see, you're in review and providing that highlight of all the different different activities that we did last year.
[38:14] Move receipt.
[38:16] Second. Okay, any further? Councillor Chessney.
[38:20] Thank you, Mr. Roll Gargain.
[38:22] I noticed in the report the white rock float has only been to three cities.
[38:27] Is there an impediment or that prevents us for having that float in more community parades?
[38:35] Through your worship to Councillor Chessney, the only impediment is cost.
[38:40] There's this significant cost for us to attend parades in terms of the staff time, the travel time, the setup time.
[38:49] So that's the only impediment right now.
[38:52] Thank you. One further question, if I might. On your video presentation, there are bright lights, big thing in white rock everyone looks forward to it.
[38:59] Is there an expansion we can express? Are you going to give away any secrets this evening that we've got an expanded bright lights?
[39:07] Through your worship to Councillor Chessney.
[39:09] It terms of expansion in terms of the timeline of the lighted promenade or the actual event on the day of combined.
[39:22] Well, we are having the event one week earlier this year. So the actual lighting is one week earlier.
[39:29] So that allows for an extension of the actual period when the lights are available.
[39:36] That's the only expansion that we have.
[39:38] We're fairly limited in terms of ability of how many people that we can handle down on the waterfront.
[39:45] That event is is weather dependent. So we're always hopeful that the weather cooperates us for that event.
[39:53] Thank you.
[39:54] Not sending in others. All of us in favor.
[39:57] Opposed, carried. Thank you, Mr. Wolger.
[40:00] Okay, next we're going to move on to the litter collection request for proposals. This is the RFP award and we've got Mr. Gordon for this one.
[40:07] Yes, thank you, Mayor. The purpose of this report is to obtain Council's approval toward a contract for litter collection services.
[40:14] Along marine drive and the promenade.
[40:17] The city posted a request for proposal on BC bits September 5th.
[40:22] For a two-year litter collection contract along marine drive and the promenade, the RFP closed on October 3rd.
[40:29] And we received five proposals.
[40:32] Staff evaluated each submitted RFP based on several criteria including price.
[40:39] The grounds guys of so sorry stood out with their competitive pricing satisfactory experience qualifications and references.
[40:47] There are monthly bit price of twenty-two thousand nine forty-one is lower than the existing contract and significantly lower than the other bitters.
[40:56] This translates when you factor in the extra shifts.
[41:00] The double shifts during the busy summertime.
[41:02] This translates to approximately three hundred thirty-six thousand dollars per year, which can be accommodated within the existing budget.
[41:10] So, Mayor, we're asking that Council approve the three recommendations in the report.
[41:15] Thank you, Mr. Gordon.
[41:17] My only question on that is sometimes low as bid.
[41:21] Not the best.
[41:24] You said that it's double shifts during the summer like our busy time.
[41:28] What about when we have events like a candidate date or anything like that?
[41:32] Because that's when the big amounts of garbage get left behind.
[41:36] And so that would be a price calling them in again to come and clean that up or.
[41:42] Yes.
[41:45] Basically, for the five months of the summer we have the minute with two shifts.
[41:49] But what we found worked really well for us is during candidate day, other events like that.
[41:54] We actually put our own crews in our garbage trucks out at midnight one o'clock and pick up afterwards.
[42:00] So we had about experience two years ago was a real mess, so we changed and it's been working quite well.
[42:06] Okay, that's great.
[42:07] Councilor Cheng.
[42:09] Thank you so much to the chair.
[42:11] I know we had complaints about the current contract.
[42:14] So I'm really glad that we're going to try out some new contractor as your report states.
[42:19] The community is highly engaged with respect to literal election,
[42:22] along marine driving and promenade.
[42:24] And staff will continue to communicate with residents and hold the contractor accountable for their services.
[42:29] I'm just saying, please do.
[42:30] So I'll move one, two, three.
[42:32] Second.
[42:34] Councillor Manny.
[42:37] Thank you, Mayor.
[42:39] Thank you for this.
[42:41] The whole city has a big rat problem right now and it's especially noticeable down along marine drive.
[42:48] Is there a plan to standardize the size of the receptacles making them larger?
[42:54] So fish and ship trays and pizza boxes can more easily go inside.
[43:00] That's one question.
[43:02] The other question I have is.
[43:06] The emergency call out is not specified for this bitter.
[43:10] Do you, what's your ballpark estimated what that cost might be?
[43:16] Yes, thank you through the Mayor to Councillor Manny.
[43:20] The emergency call out cost I expected it would be the same cost as a regular cost, the cost per container.
[43:30] But we could negotiate that.
[43:33] I don't think that's the major factor.
[43:35] The biggest thing is putting on the second shift and they have a price for that.
[43:39] The rats are an issue for sure.
[43:42] What we tried this year is we put in some big blue bins.
[43:46] They will nicely take the pizza boxes and fish and ship boxes.
[43:51] And I think that worked fairly well.
[43:54] But throughout the city, there's rats everywhere.
[43:57] We've got 30 or 40 locations where we put out bait for rats.
[44:03] Thanks, Wayne.
[44:04] We need the pie pie per.
[44:07] Anyone else?
[44:09] Seeing none?
[44:10] All those in favour?
[44:11] Opposed?
[44:12] Carried.
[44:13] Okay.
[44:14] We're going to move on to 2,025 by election for the position of two city councillor summary.
[44:19] And this is from Miss Arthur.
[44:21] Thank you.
[44:22] This corporate report has been provided in accordance with the local government act.
[44:25] Providing an official election results again and general information regarding the visa by election.
[44:31] There were 2,916 eligible voters who voted providing a voter turnout of 17% for two vacant positions of council.
[44:41] Boting opportunities included two advanced voting, mail ballot, non-resident property electors and general voting day itself.
[44:50] The turnout for the election was similar to the previous by elections, where there were 16% in 2009 and 14% in 2012.
[44:59] The preliminary.
[45:00] The election results were completed by 905 on general voting day, with the declaration of official results being completed on October 1st at 12 p.m.
[45:11] The bi-election budget expenditures were 68,000. It was noted that the past two elections of cities hired a chief election officer, who added to the overall budget expenditure.
[45:24] For an unsuccessful to find someone for this bi-election, so the work was done by myself and the deputy corporate officer.
[45:31] To prepare for the election, in addition, we had another full-time staff person who worked the full election day.
[45:37] And on election day itself, we had a staff person from communications and IT for a few hours toward the end of the evening.
[45:45] This was an estimated cost, so that brought it to 86,000 for the election cost this time.
[45:55] Previous years, the need for staff to work additional hours for the election has been very sporadic, and so it has not been included in the previous year costs for the election.
[46:06] This report is simply submitted for information purposes.
[46:11] Thank you, Mr. Arthur. Any questions for Mr. Arthur on the report?
[46:14] Over seat.
[46:15] Second, discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor? Post.
[46:19] Carry.
[46:20] Okay, we're going to move on to City of White Rock official community plan by law 2017.
[46:25] Number two to two to zero.
[46:27] And then, number three for 2025.
[46:29] Number two, five, one, one.
[46:30] And this is consideration for first and second reading since the OCP update.
[46:34] And now on that over to Ms. Perry.
[46:38] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[46:42] Sorry. That light look right.
[46:46] Okay.
[46:48] So this is going to be a lengthy presentation this evening, just because we want to be able to provide council with an overview of all of the material that has gone into getting us to where we are this evening.
[47:01] So typically we don't include these, but this is an overview slide.
[47:05] These are the key pieces that we're going to talk about in our presentation, just providing some background with regards to our OCP.
[47:12] The housing legislation requirements, the North Bluff Road Quarter plan, other requirements for an updated regional context statement and the project itself.
[47:23] Within the project, we'll talk about key themes within the changes that are being presented.
[47:30] The relationship to the city's affordable housing strategy.
[47:33] And we will focus on the height and density figure updates as well for information.
[47:39] We're going to also speak a little bit to the greater context of the OCP process and some of the other inputs that will have affected or will affect consideration through the OCP update, including the King George Boulevard BRT corridor update.
[47:55] I'll speak about the adoption procedures that are necessary for an update to an OCP.
[48:00] We will give an overview of our timeline and what next steps we'll look like and we'll try to highlight any risks as well for council consideration.
[48:12] So just moving in, I won't talk too too much about this, but the OCP is really the guiding document that sets the overall community vision and the long term community direction.
[48:24] And specifically for planning and land use management for the community.
[48:28] The OCP that we have currently was adopted initially in 2017, it has evolved over time.
[48:36] And in 2021, the OCP was amended to reduce the permitted building heights and densities in the town center area, the town center transition and the lower town center areas.
[48:47] So essentially these changes have influenced the scale of development that is allowed within our key growth areas in the community.
[48:57] So I know council has heard this before, but this is just a high level overview to outline sort of how we got to where we are within the OCP update process.
[49:09] In 2023, the province passed legislation that intended to increase the supply selection and affordability for people to be able to obtain housing within the province.
[49:22] So there were a number of steps that the local government or the new legislation mandated for local governments to undertake.
[49:29] First, in June of 2024, council adopted zoning by law and use zoning by law to allow more density on traditional single family type lot so that small scale multi unit housing legislation.
[49:45] Later that year council adopted some amendments to the OCP so that these uses and densities were in alignment with what was in our zoning by law.
[49:54] For special provisions through the legislation at the time that council could actually adopt zoning ahead of OCP changes, but we needed to make sure that we were in alignment.
[50:04] And then in November of 2024, another piece of legislative work that we had to do was update our housing needs report.
[50:14] And so council endorsed updates to the cities housing needs report. We tend to refer to that as the interim housing needs report. Excuse me.
[50:22] And it is based on methodology that has been established by the province to set certain types of housing need and to calculate anticipated numbers of units that we're going to need over the next five years and over the next 20 years. So the outcome of that report was at 8,816 new housing units will be needed over the next 20 years.
[50:43] So the next step, which is where we're at now under provincial legislation, is that the city's OCP and zoning by laws are reviewed and updated by December 31, 2025 to ensure that we are meeting.
[51:01] The information that came out of the city's housing needs report, the interim housing needs report. So that means we and we also have to allow for the additional small scale multi unit housing typologies that were incorporated into the city's zoning by law following the April 2025 amendment.
[51:21] So our housing needs report has to look at how we're going to or rather our OCP has to look at how we're going to address affordable housing rental housing special needs housing seniors housing family housing shelters for those experiencing homelessness and those who are at risk of homelessness and housing that is in close proximity to transportation infrastructure and supports different modes of friendly transportation like walking cycling public transit etc.
[51:51] At the same time, during the same process that the OCP update was being undertaken a concurrent process was also being undertaken being the north-bluff road corridor plan.
[52:05] So a corridor study was undertaken to assess the long-term land use and density in uptown. Now that was one of council strategic priorities. It was to be undertaken taking into consideration sorry semi-amo town center plan.
[52:19] And that was initiated also earlier this year. It involved a number of different public inputs. We had two phases of public engagement for this corridor study and in July of 2025 council endorsed and approved the north-bluff road corridor plan.
[52:39] And at that time directed staff to prepare the required materials to amend the OCP and to include that piece of work along with the OCP update 2025 project.
[52:55] Another key piece that you'll see has been incorporated into the draft OCP is an updated regional context statement.
[53:05] So a regional context statement is really how we demonstrate in our official community plan, how our policies align with the regional growth strategy. So Metro 2050.
[53:17] And in there are some key timing pieces here that are important to recognize. Under legislation once a new regional growth strategy is adopted, we have two years to update our regional context statement to demonstrate that alignment.
[53:32] So Metro Vancouver updated their regional growth strategy in February of 2023.
[53:40] However, also later in 2023 is when all of the new housing legislation came out. So Metro Vancouver acknowledged that there would likely need to be some recognition of the provincial timelines and so they have enabled it so that Metro municipalities can submit their updated regional context statements in the same time frame as the mandated deadlines.
[54:04] So really we would be looking to have Metro approve our updated regional context statement by the end of this year as well.
[54:12] Staff have been working and communicating with Metro throughout this process and have had, you know, various different opportunities to have Metro views certain aspects of our draft regional context statement as well.
[54:25] Excuse me. So a little bit of background on the OCP update project because as I mentioned, these two were running as two separate projects running concurrently at the beginning.
[54:41] So the city has undertaken step three, which is the OCP review piece, and we had over a seven-month period from February to September 2025, we were engaging with the white rock community on the conceptual update for the OCP.
[54:58] So we did this in phases and we had various different engagement activities. That included three different open houses. We were out in the community hosting pop-up engagements to ensure that the community was aware of this ongoing process and to ask them to complete surveys.
[55:14] For example, we had an online survey and dedicated project webpage, which also had a question and answer component to it.
[55:22] In total, we had about 610 participants that were involved in one way or another engaging with us through this process.
[55:30] And we brought forward what we heard reports following each stage of the process so that we could report to council what we were hearing and report out to the community also what we had heard.
[55:48] So the local government act or other has a number of requirements for early and ongoing consultation.
[55:58] It's primarily within section 475 of the local government act, but I will speak to some other requirements a little bit later.
[56:05] We sent invitations to participate in the project engagement to the Semiama First Nation and School District 36. All of our what we heard reports were provided to them via email with links to the web pages and all of the associated information of each stage or both stages in the process.
[56:29] The school district and the Semiama First Nation did not provide us with a response at the time that the report was prepared for council.
[56:39] So there's no feedback in the report at this time however subsequently since then.
[56:43] The school district has noted they've written back to us and they've noted that the demand in South Syrian white rock is quite strong and they do have a number of planned projects that will influence school and school catchment areas in the white rock and South Syrian area.
[56:59] And similar to white rock in response to the provincial legislation the school district is also working with Siri to update projections and housing counts more accurately.
[57:08] So once we have by law that we are able to send to them following council receipt of the by law and first and second reading of the by law we would then circulate out the by law for them to provide further feedback on.
[57:22] They did note that the quarter plan along with the Semiama Town Center plan and the future BRT may require them to revisit school requirements within that area of both cities as council will recall council recently considered the school site.
[57:36] Acquisition report for eligible school sites the last meeting and so that we identified that that information was still required at that time.
[57:46] City of Siri plans were reviewed in consultation with the corridor plan and also as part of the stakeholder engagement for the corridor study the project consultant did consult with.
[57:58] Sorry staff and conducted an interview with them.
[58:03] And as I noted in the earlier slide before launching the OCP update staff had already begun revising the regional context statement to meet the original February 2025 deadline and so has some early feedback from Metro, but again it has been subsequently updated to align with the draft by law.
[58:27] So the draft OCP which is an amendment details the proposed amendments to the OCP that are aligned with the provinces requirements you have both a copy of the draft document in its entirety and there's also a red line version in your package just to see what.
[58:45] Paces were changed more clearly.
[58:48] The proposed amendments incorporate land use designation amendments and policy updates per the north bluff.
[58:55] Road corridor plan.
[58:57] And what we've done in this version is taken the regional context statement out of the body of the by law and have incorporated it instead as an appendix.
[59:09] And it's also in alignment with Metro Vancouver's new template for regional context statements.
[59:17] And I think I will just move on to the next slide.
[59:22] So the next couple of slides are actually going to talk about the key themes that are basically make up the bulk of the amendments within the document.
[59:32] So what you'll see is we have updated our context and projection section in the OCP to reflect publicly available data for population for housing employment and for commercial.
[59:44] We have included updates that will make sure that our OCP has a capacity to meet the communities housing needs as outlined in the 2024 interim housing needs report.
[59:55] So that includes the introduction of new policies and for future actions that will help support.
[1:00:00] These, much of it actually comes as well from the city's affordable housing strategy to speak to a little bit later in this presentation, but it's a new document for the city and was adopted earlier this year.
[1:00:15] And existing housing policies such as those for housing choices for everyone, including family, friendly housing, have been updated to better reflect the information from the interim housing needs report and the needs of the community.
[1:00:30] We've made updates to provide more housing choices within our mature neighborhoods to address small-scale multi-unit housing as well.
[1:00:39] And gentle in-fill housing opportunities will now include secondary, sweet, accessory dwelling units, single detached, semi-detached buildings, rowhouses and house flexes, which is there's some new forms of housing there.
[1:00:53] We have created new land use designations to help incorporate the results of the north-bluff road corridor plan.
[1:01:01] The policies have been updated to focus growth in the town center.
[1:01:04] There's two associated new land use designations, essentially the town center transition has been changed to now have town center transition mixed use and town center transition residential, following the outcome of the north-bluff road corridor plan.
[1:01:19] And then we've also included new and revised policies that speak to uses, building types, heights and densities, density bonishing for affordable housing and urban design.
[1:01:29] Another new land use designation that's been created is a health district land use designation and it's really intended to support health related and compatible land uses.
[1:01:39] That's something that we heard through both actually the corridor study and then very specifically through the OCP update.
[1:01:48] We have updates that have been made to our policies related to transit uses and we have worked to incorporate the integrated transportation and infrastructure master plan more directly into our policies and into our future actions and to encourage essentially to encourage transit use and reduce reliance on private vehicles.
[1:02:09] As well as policies that will address making sure that we're working collaboration with TransLink and that we create a transportation demand management by law and address the necessary requirements for improvements within the north-bluff road corridor area.
[1:02:27] And we've also developed new development permit areas for the town center transition areas and health district to ensure that growth and development reflect community values and character.
[1:02:37] And as noted earlier policies that will help address building form including things like building step backs at certain heights and improvements to public realm environment landscaping parking and other sort of on the ground functional type elements.
[1:02:56] So the city did undertake the development of an affordable housing strategy that was actually approved by council at the January 27, 2025 meeting.
[1:03:08] It was developed over the course of 2024 in with the input from the housing advisory committee.
[1:03:16] So the goal of the affordable housing strategy is to establish long and short term actions that would result in the integration of affordable housing into the framework of the city's development approval process.
[1:03:26] So this document was reviewed carefully and many of the short and long term actions and initiatives have been incorporated through our policies and actions in the draft OCP and in particular to expanding the market rental and non market rental housing opportunities in the city.
[1:03:45] So if you've had to look through the document, you will note that we have changed these sort of the format the look and feel of the height and density maps.
[1:03:54] So what we have done this is based on the updates to reflect the new land use designations that came through the north-bluff road corridor plan.
[1:04:06] So essentially the corridor plan envisions building heights that range from 16 to 22 stories within the town center and 6 to 15 stories in the town center transition areas.
[1:04:16] So as opposed to the previous maps which really had general heights written on them potentially some arrows relating to the direction the heights would go.
[1:04:26] This is now a parcel based height map and a parcel based density map.
[1:04:30] It's intended to be very clear to the user of the document what parcel has what provision on it and the applicable policies through the land use section of the OCP will refer back to this map and provide specific guidance as well within the policy section on height and densities.
[1:04:52] So important to note that no changes have been made to heights or densities for designations outside of the scope of the corridor plan.
[1:05:00] So specifically the lower town center and the urban neighborhood areas remain unchanged.
[1:05:07] There is a small expansion to the urban neighborhood designation and the neighborhood commercial designation in and around a couple of commercial nodes.
[1:05:17] And near nickel and also over at state and 16th those are the only other changes.
[1:05:25] And I did want to touch a little bit on the proposed King George Boulevard bus rapid transit corridor.
[1:05:32] So this was something that was endorsed by the mayor's council in October of 2023 and the King George Boulevard is one of those that are advancing from corridor planning into a concept design.
[1:05:44] So Translink has been working in partnership with the city of Surrey and they have completed the 10% design stage for the King George project.
[1:05:54] And in September of just last month Surrey Council endorsed Translink to proceed to the 30% concept design and analysis.
[1:06:04] So this figure here shows two of the options that were presented in the Surrey staff report.
[1:06:11] And White Rock staff is now going to be working with Translink so that we are also engaged during the Boulevard design of the King George Boulevard BRT line design process.
[1:06:23] And of course this is immediately adjacent to our town center being that it's runs along 16th Avenue at the north end of the south end of the semi-emotown center mall there.
[1:06:38] So onto adoption procedures.
[1:06:42] So the local government act does have specific considerations that council must undertake prior to adoption of an OCP by law.
[1:06:51] So after first reading and council must consider the proposed OCP in conjunction with the city's financial plan.
[1:07:01] And with any waste management plan that exists under the environmental management act that is applicable to the city.
[1:07:09] Another piece of legislation is that if there's agricultural land it has to be referred to the ALC but that does not apply to white rock.
[1:07:15] And then thirdly the city must hold a public hearing on the OCP.
[1:07:20] So staff have reviewed the draft by law in relation to the financial plan and in relation to Metro Vancouver's current integrated solid waste and resource management plan.
[1:07:30] And we don't anticipate that the amendment will result in any financial issues or will raise issues with the waste management plan.
[1:07:38] I think what's important to note on this is that a substantial portion of the city's waste management costs are administered by Metro Vancouver and so actually do remain outside of the city's control.
[1:07:51] And the implementation of the proposed OCP policies.
[1:07:56] So for example infrastructure improvements the new land use designations will have future financial implications and those will be addressed through annual budgeting processes as required as they come up.
[1:08:09] And also DCC's will be collected on future development which will help offset the financial impact that is associated with service upgrades that are tied to new developments.
[1:08:19] And as I noted earlier in accordance with section 475 should of the local government act should the proposed by law received first and second readings a referral.
[1:08:33] Will occur to Metro Vancouver the board to translate to the semi-amphrist nation and to school district number 36.
[1:08:43] Public hearing is required in accordance with section 464.
[1:08:49] So if council authorizes staff to schedule the public hearing the notice will be issued per section 466 including advertisements in the paper and we tentatively anticipate that the date will be held in December.
[1:09:03] As early as possible timeline to meet the December 31 deadline for by law adoption and I will go over the timeline on this slide here.
[1:09:13] So this is a best case scenario timeline that has been prepared I think it's important to recognize that some of these processes that are required such as Metro Vancouver acceptance of the city's regional context statement is a timeline that is outside of the city's control will be up to the board for example.
[1:09:31] We would anticipate if the by law receives first and second reading that we would then submit all of the information to those agencies tomorrow.
[1:09:40] We would hope that we would have their comments back by November 21st and would target a public hearing for December 1st.
[1:09:48] At which time we would bring forward a third reading report outlining the feedback that we did receive and whether any amendments or necessary etc.
[1:09:56] And then ideally the by law could be considered for adoption on December 15 which would keep us in alignment with the mandated December 31 2025 date.
[1:10:11] Other pieces of work that will still need to be concluded before the end of the year and are things that we are working on or looking to begin work on.
[1:10:21] In include an update to council policy 511 this is our density bonus community and community contribution policy it will need a realignment with new land use designations and requirements in the OCP.
[1:10:35] So we would begin work on that following first and second reading and would bring that back to council for consideration when the by law is ready to be adopted.
[1:10:44] And there's a few zoning by law related updates that will still need to be undertaken so we're starting to work on those and they're really related to some of the proposed amendments in the OCP.
[1:10:56] But it's not a significant amount of work compared to the OCP work for example and we would bring that back to council following consideration of the OCP.
[1:11:08] And then we wanted to talk a little bit about the legal implications that the city has and some of the risks that may exist depending on how the the adoption process rolls out.
[1:11:21] So really under the local government act we are required to update our regional context statement with two years of a new regional growth strategy adoption.
[1:11:30] So that technically occurred in February of 2023 so in effect we are ready late but with an understanding from Metro Vancouver that we will work to bring that to them by the December 31 date.
[1:11:42] The December 31 date of course is mandated in the local government act to be the by law to be adopted by the end of 2025 the OCP update.
[1:11:54] Essentially the risks are that if council opt not to proceed with first and second readings at this point we would then have to reach out to the province and to Metro Vancouver to notify them that we will not be able to meet the mandated deadline and from there staff doesn't know exactly what would happen with that process.
[1:12:17] This I apologize for the very small writing we did want to try to put all of the recommendations on one slide.
[1:12:23] But essentially I've gone over most of these recommendations through the presentation so I won't read this one out.
[1:12:30] But that's this evening we are hoping for council to consider first and second reading to keep us with our mandated timeline and we will turn it back to you midnight for questions.
[1:12:41] Okay that's very thorough thank you very much and thank you to you and your team for all the hard work and time and effort that has gone into this I know it was thrust on us by the province but you guys really stepped up so I appreciate that.
[1:12:55] I just I just want to go over the like the basics of the OCP is a 20 to 30 year vision correct.
[1:13:04] This isn't like a blueprint that we're going to immediately start building something tomorrow morning.
[1:13:10] That's correct the OCP lays out really a 20 year vision for a community so we're looking to 2045 at this point in our OCP.
[1:13:18] Because of the changes in legislation we are now mandated to update our housing needs report every five years and we are as a result we would then have to look at our OCP as well every five years.
[1:13:30] So this opportunity to continually adjust the OCP as a result of that piece of legislation and really an OCP is intended to be a living document it is intended to respond.
[1:13:41] As community needs change over time definitely but it also helps us plan for how not just housing but transportation infrastructure parks community services all that so it's not just I think when the public looks at these maps they just focus on you know that and there's a lot more to an OCP as you can see how much was in that document and if you see our binder today they're like a thousand pages.
[1:14:05] So I'm going to open up the floor to counsel that you're everybody's got a bunch of questions council or many go ahead.
[1:14:12] Thank you very night through yourself to this very sorry that council remains an eye or the late to the party but I have a couple of clarifying questions I apologize if they've been answered in previous meetings but.
[1:14:28] You mentioned the SFN and sorry school district were included in the OCP consultation. Why was that the city of Siri also included in that initial consultation.
[1:14:42] Through the chair through the north bluff road corridor study we engage the services of consultants and they actually conducted interviews with the city of sorry staff.
[1:14:53] Thank you and also marine drivers not mentioned in the OCP it does have its own second.
[1:15:00] Action in the OCP, but there hasn't been any consideration about changes to zoning along marine drive.
[1:15:08] Through the chair to council remaining, that's correct. There are no changes at this time to the waterfront area, no changes proposed.
[1:15:16] So, the North Bluff corridor plan, corridor study was one specific strategic priority of council, so that's one project.
[1:15:24] And the OCP update overall, the interim housing needs based on that report, the North Bluff corridor plan, and the feedback we got through the open houses for the OCP update didn't involve any elements of the waterfront area.
[1:15:39] I will also note that council does have a strategic priority to review the waterfront area from a land use perspective, as well, but we have not been able to work on that particular project as of yet.
[1:15:52] Thank you, final, final, clarifying question. You mentioned the feedback. Roughly 3% of our residents participated in the OCP open houses and about 1% in the North Bluff road study.
[1:16:06] Did staff hear anything from residents about how they heard about the sessions? Why was it turned in solo?
[1:16:17] Through the chair. I realize when it's spoken in percentages like that, it does sound quite low.
[1:16:25] Typically attendance isn't very high for open houses and things like that.
[1:16:31] We were actually quite pleased with the turnout that we did receive, and with regards to communications for each of the projects for the final open house where the general direction was being presented to the community.
[1:16:46] We actually did a community wide mail out, so there was a mail out that hit every property within the residential property within the community.
[1:16:55] It's kind of like the bi-election, you know, we got 17% out, so we're not doing too bad on this.
[1:17:01] The other thing is, councilmaning, we have discussed the waterfront. We know something has to be done down there, and it is in our priorities, so we are looking forward to getting to that.
[1:17:13] Once we get past all this provincial, that got dumped on us right, so that's why it's a little bit on the back burner, but we are looking at it, because we know work needs to be done.
[1:17:22] Okay, I'm looking around the table. Questions? Councilor Chessing.
[1:17:26] Thank you for the chair to planning department.
[1:17:32] I've asked this question before, and I'm still rather confused about the BRT, the rapid bust line.
[1:17:38] It brings with it height designations correct.
[1:17:43] Through the chair. At this time, the province has not confirmed whether there will be a transit oriented area requirement associated with the BRT.
[1:17:51] It's not been identified yet.
[1:17:53] Oh, that kind of flies in the face of what? Translinks open houses specified.
[1:17:58] So at that, at the present time, a rapid bust line does not bring any change to height density, OCP, in either severe whiterock. Is that correct?
[1:18:09] At this time, that is how we understand it. We've not received that confirmation from the province.
[1:18:15] Thank you.
[1:18:16] I could just add to that councilor Chessing. The mayor's council at Translink.
[1:18:20] We get this every meeting we have because we're not the only city in the same scenario.
[1:18:25] And they keep saying another month or another two months, and they'll give us a number.
[1:18:30] Because I said, well, we're in the middle of an OCP. We're in the middle of a north-bluff study.
[1:18:33] We're spending a lot of money. If you guys are just going to come in here and say, it's 20 stories for the first two blocks or whatever.
[1:18:39] It's a waste of our time. And they just keep saying another month, another month.
[1:18:44] If I might, it causes me some concern to be very honest, because it completely can blow this OCP right off the table.
[1:18:53] So I'm hesitant to proceed any further until we've got those tax and figures to be very honest, but I'll see what the rest of my councilors have to say.
[1:19:01] Okay. Well, we could be waiting a long time on the province too, right?
[1:19:04] Not seen anybody over here. Councilor Chessing.
[1:19:08] Through to chair. Thank you so much for that report. Very in depth. I have a question for you.
[1:19:13] This is that there's a lot of information. So can you tell me, have you ever done an OCP development OCP for another city before? Is this your first cake at the can or no?
[1:19:30] You worship, but those are kind of questions that I feel a bit uncomfortable responding, but what I can share is, yeah, it's very has the qualifications for the planning department to present an OCP to council.
[1:19:42] And as a matter of fact, I believe she's done the OCP review for pedmetals if I remember correctly.
[1:19:47] Participated in the review of the team effort always.
[1:19:53] So what you say is very that you are satisfactory. You have covered all seven key things that you wanted to in this report.
[1:20:04] It's our assessment through the chair that the draft by law is has addressed both the mandated requirements and the outcomes of the north bluff quarter plan.
[1:20:15] And so we are recommending that council consider for a second reading of the draft by law.
[1:20:21] Okay. Anyone else on the way in with any questions, Councillor Talie?
[1:20:27] Thank you very much, Mayor Knight. No, I have no question about the efficacy or the competence of city staff.
[1:20:34] I mean, you hold all of you in a very high esteem and you're going to a great job putting this together.
[1:20:38] And I don't think that was implied by Councillor Chewing. You're driving another point.
[1:20:43] I do have some real concerns. I do agree with a comment that LCP is a documents that continuing to be adjusted over time.
[1:20:50] Every few years or so.
[1:20:54] Saying that, I think it's important. In my opinion, speaking only for myself that provincial targets, especially now in this day are kind of a mood point.
[1:21:03] We could zone everything in white rock to three stories or 30 stories. It doesn't matter because no one's building.
[1:21:08] Just the Vancouver sun the other day, or even today wrote an article saying there's a lot of 2,500 untold units in the lower mainland, which is a record.
[1:21:18] It doesn't mean that high in a quarter of a century.
[1:21:21] So in a way, this can have turned to figure out how many angels danced in the head of a pinhead because we can build everything up.
[1:21:28] But it doesn't matter.
[1:21:29] Saying that, I do have concerns and I'm in a difficult spot. I appreciate the problems that got pressures on us to meet these imaginary numbers, which won't happen.
[1:21:42] But my challenge is I don't have a lot of data to make a decision on behalf of my constituents.
[1:21:49] I didn't hear from my constituents from people who talk to me that they wanted to increase density by 100 or 200 or over 200 percent in the town center.
[1:21:58] And extend the town center and blocks and blocks and blocks out all the way down to McCod Park to have 10 to 12 story buildings along that whole area.
[1:22:05] I understand it's proposed to be a long term vision.
[1:22:09] But see this on my concerns. I didn't hear that. I've got no data.
[1:22:14] I'd love to have some data other than Lego modeling to determine what people feel city weight rock needs in the town center.
[1:22:21] I also don't see any real hard numbers.
[1:22:25] Then for me, how many police officers we need if this law gets built out? How many firefighters we need if this gets built out?
[1:22:33] How many new parks that we need? I don't see any of that. I just see, let's put up a bunch of towers and roll the dice and hope it all works out in the end.
[1:22:40] So I'm not against density in the town center. I'm not against heights there and that's where they should be.
[1:22:46] I don't mind some expansion on 16th Avenue, but I don't think that people want a 200 percent increase or 100 percent increase in the town center.
[1:22:55] So I have to vote what I'm hearing. That's my comment. Thank you.
[1:23:01] Thank you. And like I've started off this conversation is we're looking 20 to 30 years out. I know nothing's getting built in this market that we have.
[1:23:10] But we have to show the province that we're working towards our mandated numbers.
[1:23:16] So we can look at this plan that staff have put together with all the qualifications to make that mandate.
[1:23:23] And no, it's not going up tomorrow. It's not going up probably five maybe even 10 years anything going up the way this market is.
[1:23:31] It takes a lot of years to get things through. I mean, you look at both the towers or any of this stuff takes years and years. You might have been on council or you won't be on council again before anybody turns the shovel into the dirt. So that would just be my comments on that.
[1:23:47] Councillor.
[1:23:49] Through the chair. Thank you so much. A few councils ago we had the consulting comment. I think it was called urban planning something like that.
[1:23:58] And I asked them based on last council when they lowered the heights from 24 to 8 to 12. How many redevelopments applications have come in and the answer was zero.
[1:24:09] Now we keep this OCP as last council has lowered the heights.
[1:24:14] It has proven in the last four years that nothing has happened. So should we keep it that way?
[1:24:20] And see what happens or do we try to do something where it satisfied the province?
[1:24:25] Yeah, it's not going to be built up. Look at Victoria. You know what happened in 2023? They launched a missing middle housing initiative.
[1:24:33] And what they did was they try to have a goal of 1,000 houses in six years. That was what happened. It was they were allowing houseplexes and townhouses in previously allowed only single family housing zoning.
[1:24:46] And it's been in the first six months since they put that in. You know how many developments redevelopments they got three.
[1:24:54] And now we're almost three years in and they've only hit maybe one third of your target. So what it's showing you is that just because you put it in doesn't mean they're going to built it. Okay, it's based on the economics.
[1:25:06] What's happening like you said the condo market is not happening. So if you put it in, do we do we wait until the market's right?
[1:25:12] And then we put the housing changes zoning. Do we go that slow? So my point is you got to do what stuff as they have data. They went out.
[1:25:22] They spent seven months. They had engagement. And they came up with this very comprehensive plan. And I think it would be a disaster wouldn't pass it because you know what happens the West.
[1:25:32] To province comes in. That's right. They'll tell you. I just want to build a age story right on the reen drive possible.
[1:25:39] Okay, thank you. And I think today we got a number on how many people have put forward on this new like for building a triplex or anything like that. And it was it was quite shocking. It was I think five.
[1:25:54] Through the chair. Yes, to the chair. We've had about five applications that fall into the small scale multi housing category. That can include addition of a secondary sweep even so it's not a very high uptake at this point.
[1:26:07] Yeah, so it's like, you know, the doom and gloom of what the province is putting on is this is nothing's coming to fruition anyways.
[1:26:15] The other thing I wanted to just touch on what Councillor Cheng was talking about was the engagement and you have all the data and all the information.
[1:26:24] Would you say our engagement was good with with the public with the residents for the Northwest study and the OCP review even though the percentages were low like Councillor Manning and stated.
[1:26:35] In your opinion, I know we did open houses. We had things at the library. We did things on weekends. We did night stuff.
[1:26:42] How would you say that we did on that because I'm sure that will be the next thing that will be put on social media.
[1:26:49] They never went out to the public. Never did anything.
[1:26:51] So I think to echo what I said earlier, we did see the turnout to be a positive number as far as turnout is concerned.
[1:27:01] Our numbers increased through each sort of round of engagement, particularly with the OCP update.
[1:27:08] And again, we did put every effort into notifying the community through community wide mailout.
[1:27:14] We did social media booths. We had information on our website available.
[1:27:19] So there were a number of different media mechanisms that were utilized to try to ensure that the community was at least aware that there wasn't engagement opportunity.
[1:27:28] Okay. Great. Thank you. Okay. Councillor Bains, are you putting your hand up?
[1:27:33] Okay.
[1:27:36] Yeah. Sorry. Thank you, Mayor.
[1:27:40] And my question is, do you feel that there's concerns about engagement?
[1:27:45] Because that was particularly done when it was just conceptualized.
[1:27:50] Right. Now that this new document has just come out with new information with new color schemes and numbers.
[1:27:58] Is it really clear? Do you feel that it's really clear to residents? What the changes are?
[1:28:03] What the numbers are with density with height? Because what I have heard is that there is a lot of disagreement with heights going up and disagreement with density.
[1:28:17] Do you feel that that's fair giving the engagement prior to and not having one following now that there's a new document out?
[1:28:30] Through the chair. So I'll speak to a few different points there.
[1:28:35] The first is that we are following the legislative process when it comes to engagement.
[1:28:40] We've also been working to follow council's policy with regards to engagement for OCP updates.
[1:28:47] That was actually two processes that we're running concurrently with regards to what has culminated in what council has this evening.
[1:28:56] So there was a separate engagement process related to the North Bluff corridor, which again involved a survey and had two different open houses and we presented what we heard reports to council.
[1:29:07] And then essentially the same process was paralleled for the OCP update, except that there was a third open house for that one.
[1:29:15] Really I think that there has been an opportunity for the public to be engaged.
[1:29:21] Our job is to take what we've heard and put it into a document for council consideration.
[1:29:26] And there will be an opportunity for further engagement with the community through the public hearing process.
[1:29:34] Thank you.
[1:29:36] Okay. Councilor Lawrence next and then council.
[1:29:40] Thank you very much. Through the chair.
[1:29:42] I'm going to take a, I guess, a perspective from the housing advisory committee.
[1:29:48] Much of the focus of the housing advisory committee in the last year was to place affordable housing framework and formulated document for council.
[1:30:00] To review and deal with the strategic priorities within that particular framework.
[1:30:06] It wasn't until June 19 of last year where the Housing Advisory Committee met to receive an overview
[1:30:13] of the from the Director of Planning and Development Services that dealt with the
[1:30:18] provincial government requirements or bill 44 or small-scale multi-unit housing, which
[1:30:25] reaffectional leak referred to as shoo.
[1:30:30] At the December 3 meeting, we received a update on Phase 2 of the Official Community Plan
[1:30:36] Development Permade areas, as well as Phase 3 of the Housing Needs Report as it relates
[1:30:42] to the implementation of bill 44. One of our final tasks was to make a motion to suggest
[1:30:50] that council adorthe affordable housing strategic document. And that goes in
[1:30:55] definitely into the amendment that's going to be into this particular OCP.
[1:31:00] We received further updates on February 19th of this year, as well as the status of the
[1:31:06] North Bluff Quarter Study, as well as the OPCP updates and Housing Targets Report.
[1:31:12] On October 1, we were provided a draft copy of the OCP update, provided some input that was presented
[1:31:23] to us and recommended that council provide an approval of it.
[1:31:29] So along the process there is being input from the public with what we've heard components on both
[1:31:37] the North Bluff Study as well as the Official Community Plan. Voting members of the committee
[1:31:43] are residents of white rock. The committee has endorsed various components of this OCP amendment
[1:31:53] throughout this whole process, and thank you for planning and development services for doing
[1:31:58] all of that heavy lifting because it was considerable. No doubt about that.
[1:32:05] For that reason, I feel very, very comfortable in moving forward to the next steps with this draft
[1:32:11] OCP. Granted, not having these targets pushed onto us, onto our task list, would be the best
[1:32:21] and ideal situation. However, it's an order from the government of the government of B.C., and
[1:32:30] violation of that particular order would logically not do too well for white rock or its citizens.
[1:32:37] Thank you.
[1:32:39] Thank you, Councillor Lawrence. I've got Councillor Manning next.
[1:32:42] Thank you, Mayor Knight. I threw yourself to Ms. Buria, a couple of other follow-ups for you.
[1:32:47] On page 153 of the agenda package, there's a map that shows the Simeon Motown Center plan and
[1:32:54] Syria extending a little bit into white rock, roughly 4th Bluff to thrift, like Martin over to George.
[1:33:04] And then on page 620 of the agenda package, it's more detail from the city of Syria showing
[1:33:14] that most of their height and density will be concentrated on the existing Simeon Motown site.
[1:33:21] And it tapers off fairly quickly from there, yet our OCP has the density on the white rock side
[1:33:29] going much further east west and a little further east and west. Can you comment on that?
[1:33:40] That's Barry.
[1:33:45] So the first map is actually the regional map, so it's from the Metro Vancouver Regional
[1:33:50] Growth Strategy document, so it's highlighting the area that has been defined as an urban center
[1:33:55] through the regional growth strategy. That's the map with the red outline that you referenced
[1:34:00] first. The second map, just for everyone's context, is the Simeon Motown Center Land Use
[1:34:05] Plan that has been endorsed by the City of Syria and not the Land Use Plan that Council
[1:34:10] directed, we consider as part of the North Bluff corridor plan. When we brought forward the report
[1:34:20] to Council to initiate the project in December of 2024, 2024, we actually had included in that a proposed
[1:34:32] area for the Land Use study to encompass. Essentially we looked at it based on the existing
[1:34:40] land uses, their similarities and existing natural sort of buffers and transitions through, for
[1:34:46] example, the parks on either end of the stretch of the corridor and the transition down to the
[1:34:51] lower town center, also being a bit of a break. We presented an option for what the North Bluff
[1:34:58] corridor study area should look like, and that was endorsed by Council at that time, so that's
[1:35:03] the area that was reviewed through the corridor plan, and that's why those changes are reflected
[1:35:11] in the by-law that you have in front of you, and I hope that that is addressing what you were asking.
[1:35:16] It is, thank you, I just want further follow-up back to the North Bluff sessions.
[1:35:22] The input from the public, there was some conflicting data, and I'm wondering how staff circle
[1:35:31] the square, specifically on page 164, some residents of the public put Lego blocks indicating a preference
[1:35:40] for six to 12 stories, and the same location as other residents put 12 plus story buildings.
[1:35:52] So the report that the consultants prepared to the chair was based on that feedback and it was also
[1:36:00] based on market analysis, so there's that combination of input and statistical study information
[1:36:07] that was incorporated together. Thank you. Okay, Council Chesney, next.
[1:36:14] My head spins when I hear the initials OCP. Three terms, and every term, we tear the OCP up,
[1:36:22] we throw it out, and start all over again. But what I've come to realize, the OCP means absolutely nothing
[1:36:29] with four votes on a city council. With four votes on a city council, you can pretty much do whatever you want
[1:36:35] with the exception of putting the high-rise at the end of the pier. It's why we have density below
[1:36:40] thrift, we have density far beyond the town center. OCP amendment, it only takes four
[1:36:46] members of a council. So I look at this beautiful document, and what an incredible document it is,
[1:36:52] that staff has prepared took months. I'm sure it's thick reading. It's a wonderful document,
[1:36:59] but I still at the end of the day, when I hear the word OCP, I'm sorry to use the analogy, but I think
[1:37:06] it should just be called the goofy guideline. And I'm not trying to be smart about anything. It's
[1:37:10] what I've seen every single time an OCP is created by a white rock council. It means absolutely nothing.
[1:37:17] We consult with the community, we ask them what they want, they say we don't want any higher buildings,
[1:37:22] we don't want any towers, try to figure out how to do it, and then we come back after all this consultation,
[1:37:28] and we're now jumping the density in the town center up again. I don't believe that any of the open houses,
[1:37:34] anybody came and said, hey, you should really be slamming in some more density in the town center.
[1:37:39] I haven't seen any indication of that. So I don't know, I'm finding myself at a very difficult position here,
[1:37:46] looking at this incredible document that you've created. When I walk on the streets and talk to the
[1:37:53] people in white rock, they go, why do I even bother coming to these things? You don't listen to me,
[1:37:58] you don't take what I say into consideration. And here we find ourselves at a position,
[1:38:04] we don't know what the BRT is going to do to our heights. I mean, the TransLink meetings,
[1:38:11] I was told by a representative of TransLink that within 200 meters of BRT line,
[1:38:18] sky's the limit. Now, the mayor said that they constantly keep asking for it, the mayor's council meetings.
[1:38:23] Why is it? Why is why are we not hearing this? If TransLink is telling people that open houses,
[1:38:29] 200 meters, that would mean 200 meters from north-blath coming south, sky's the limit. Well,
[1:38:34] there goes our OCP right out the window. So the market is dying, the government is telling this, we have to put in
[1:38:42] X amount of units, nobody's building, nobody's buying, we're not building units. It's an absolute mess to be
[1:38:49] very honest. So I don't know where we go from here. I'm at a crossroads to be very honest. We can
[1:38:55] approve this. And we can say it's a five, a 10 year, a 25 year plan. The next council in less than a year could
[1:39:02] come in and say, you know what, we want to tear that up and throw the whole thing out and lower the
[1:39:07] lower the limits or heightened limits. I feel sorry for the planning department to be very honest. So
[1:39:13] I'll get off my soapbox. I don't know what I'm going to do tonight. I'm going to see if there's anything
[1:39:17] more to be said that helps me decide positively or negatively which way I'm going to go in this.
[1:39:22] But to this point, I've not heard anything. Okay, thank you, Councillor Chessney. I just want to
[1:39:30] crack something. This, this council didn't open up the OCP. I know over the years when a council comes in,
[1:39:37] you know, they like the height, they don't like the height, they open up the OCP. The province made us
[1:39:42] open up this OCP. So we're in this boat. This is why all the work has been dumped on the planning
[1:39:47] department and what we really want to do like marine dive and things like that have been put on the back burner.
[1:39:54] We've got to reflect the new housing that they stuck on us. I mean, we've got to reflect all this. We've
[1:39:59] got to have our targets. We've got to make all these things. It's not optional. It's the legal requirement
[1:40:05] that they put on us. So yes, I'm agreement with you. The province is not done a good job. They are making
[1:40:14] municipalities stand on their heads. But that's the position we are in and I've got to December 31 deadline
[1:40:19] to do this. And I think all of us are frustrated by it. The, the Translinks scenario has been going on since
[1:40:28] the BRT first got introduced. Every mayor that's around the BRT is like, what's happening? We need to
[1:40:36] know and I beg them. I'm spending like $100,000 on this stuff. White Rocks too small to be spending
[1:40:42] this kind of money. Right? And they're like, oh, yeah, the province says next month, next month for sure.
[1:40:47] Well, I've heard that from day one, next month, next month, next month. And we're not the only ones that are mad.
[1:40:52] There's other people in the same boat. So I just want to put that out there because I see Alex Brown right
[1:40:57] in a way like crazy that this council did not open up the OCP. We were mandated to open up the OCP.
[1:41:05] Okay? Councilor Talian's next. Before I forget about you again.
[1:41:09] Thank you very much. I thought we did go institute the North Bluff Road study. That was from this council.
[1:41:14] But I'll leave that aside. Before before I get into my main point, I do want to point out that the OCP
[1:41:20] does have a comment that we still want to put city hall in the town center. And so it's the
[1:41:26] word city hall instead of a community hub. So that might need revision.
[1:41:30] Saying that, I just want to clarify my earlier comments. Like, I understand the province,
[1:41:35] I have to respect the province. Province has requirements. They ultimately, we are ultimately
[1:41:41] creatures of the province. And I understand that. So I'm not against voting for an OCP. My challenge
[1:41:48] is that to determine what I, and there has been public feedback there being open home stuff,
[1:41:54] I've gone out to attend them myself. My problem is I have to make a decision
[1:42:01] literally based on dots in a board and blocks of Lego. That's the data that I have from the public
[1:42:06] on what they want to see in their city. So I have to go with what I've heard. And I've heard
[1:42:11] time and time again for most people in the city that they're fine with heights in the town center.
[1:42:17] That ship is sailed. The question is, how far beyond do we go outside the town center? I'm seeing
[1:42:24] significant increase in height, outside the town center to the west, and significant increase
[1:42:30] of height, outside town center to the east. 10 and 12 stories were there once was scheduled to be 4 to 6.
[1:42:37] All the way out, basically to the end of what? No, literally to the end of what you're
[1:42:41] obviously to state street, or almost state street. So that's my concern. That's why I'm not
[1:42:46] supporting you right now. In principle, I'm okay with further heights in the town center. I can support
[1:42:50] that, but I'm not going to support sprawling heights throughout the city of regards to the
[1:42:55] province once, and basically the data that I have to make a decision. That's my comment. Thank you.
[1:43:00] Okay. Thank you. Councillor Debellion. The North-Left study was our strategic priority. That's why we did it.
[1:43:07] And also, I agree with you about the policy. It was 8.2.2, Ms. Barry, about the community hub uptown
[1:43:16] that he was referring to, because I had that on my list of questions asked to.
[1:43:20] Councillor Chunk's next. Through the chair. I have one comment. I don't have a problem with heights.
[1:43:27] If I want to lower it, go lower it, but the problem is as viable. That's really the question. We had consultants
[1:43:33] come in, and we asked, I asked them, tell me, in today's construction cost, what's a height that people
[1:43:40] can actually make sense to build, and he said 18. So that's today's height, right? It's not like,
[1:43:48] it's, I'm not making this up. This is what math does. So when developer goes and builds something,
[1:43:53] they have the borrow money, and the bank wants to see a certain percentage of them to make money before
[1:43:58] to lend them the money, right? So you can have it eight stories. If it's viable, what I'm saying is if Ms. Barry
[1:44:06] is saying, you know, she took the public feedback, and then she said, she has to match it with the market
[1:44:11] analysis. I think that's what she said. I think that's what she's alluding to. Okay, does it make sense? You
[1:44:16] want to force or is it make sense? You know, based on the cost of that land, I kind of think, maybe you
[1:44:21] can correct me if I'm wrong. It's Barry. Certainly. So that was work that the consultant undertook
[1:44:26] on the city's behalf, that was urban systems, and yes, they did do a market analysis background
[1:44:33] or report, that form part of their review to sort of assess what would be appropriate based on
[1:44:41] on market demand, et cetera. And then that was vetted across the results from the public opportunities
[1:44:49] for input, and culminated in the final recommendations that they made to the city.
[1:44:54] Okay. Is there anyone else?
[1:45:00] Thank you, Mayor Nite. I'm hearing a lot of very valid concerns. And before we decide whatever we will decide tonight on the recommendations from staff, I think it would be prudent to also acknowledge that not just white rock but probably no city in the lower mainland is going to meet its targets by 2029.
[1:45:30] Even shovels in the ground today, you're probably not going to get the density that the province is asking for.
[1:45:38] So this is an opportunity for us as a city to send a letter to the Minister and copy Metro Vancouver and ask the province not just white rock but to all the municipalities to come back to the table and negotiate that number down.
[1:45:56] Because again, I don't think anyone is going to meet this target by 2029.
[1:46:01] And we're scrambling, staff is scrambling, trying to make decisions that are going to affect our residents for a long time.
[1:46:08] So I will move that we send the letter to the Minister.
[1:46:12] I'm just going to jump in there because I have written letters. You know what file they go in.
[1:46:22] We tried the last time we said okay, Metro's numbers are projections for population of gone down. Can we have a 20% reduction?
[1:46:32] Yeah, you know, it's going to take six months for that letter to come back to tell me to.
[1:46:36] No.
[1:46:38] It's just constantly at the Metro table when I'm there.
[1:46:42] Same thing. Everybody's frustrated. This is not working. We're never going to make our numbers. What are we supposed to do?
[1:46:48] You know, so like you say, every municipalities in the same boat.
[1:46:52] But what we got to do here tonight is decide if we're moving ahead and going to make our deadlines or not.
[1:46:59] So that's what we got to make the decisions on.
[1:47:02] Anybody else?
[1:47:03] It never hurts to ask this way though.
[1:47:05] Oh, I know, but letters are there. I say useless. I mean, they really go nowhere.
[1:47:10] I mean, we can send them. We can have every municipality sign it.
[1:47:15] It's the province has moved full steam ahead with this without any consultation from us.
[1:47:22] At the very least, it shows that we're acting in good faith.
[1:47:25] And I think that's important to note.
[1:47:27] Yeah. I agree. I get it.
[1:47:31] But we've done it and we get nowhere with it.
[1:47:33] Councilor Tom, sorry. Councilor Beans.
[1:47:36] Oh, I'm sorry. Motion on the floor.
[1:47:38] Any discussion on the motion?
[1:47:40] What's the motion? We don't have a motion.
[1:47:42] The motion was to send a letter.
[1:47:44] Oh, sorry.
[1:47:45] Yeah. Okay.
[1:47:46] So any discussion on the motion?
[1:47:48] Councilor Lawrence, first, and then I'll go do you.
[1:47:51] I think a letter would be good to do.
[1:47:55] And my same sentiment with regards to its effectiveness.
[1:48:00] Is it going to go anywhere?
[1:48:03] We definitely know that the province started off this whole process without proper consultation.
[1:48:10] It reminds me of a number of different things that they've done in the past without consultation.
[1:48:15] But here we are right now, when dealing with dealing with the housing crisis and trying to find a solution.
[1:48:25] This is a start. We'll see what happens.
[1:48:27] We'll start with this motion and then work on the main one.
[1:48:31] Thank you.
[1:48:32] I don't have any problems on the letter on behalf of Council.
[1:48:35] But I just wanted to put my two cents in where it was going.
[1:48:39] Mr. Ferrell, were you asking?
[1:48:41] Yeah. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify because I think when mixing two terms three or two kinds of money.
[1:48:46] One is the housing targets, which is the five year targets that the province already gave us about a thousand units more or less.
[1:48:53] And the other one is the housing needs, which is basically the growth that the province is expecting for the municipality.
[1:49:00] And that's roughly about 8500 units.
[1:49:03] So I just want to clarify what the letter is going to be addressing too.
[1:49:07] I think the immediate need is to get the province to come back to the table and negotiate with the municipalities.
[1:49:16] A realistic figure for 2029, acknowledging that the market is in the trash can.
[1:49:23] No one's building.
[1:49:30] Thank you.
[1:49:31] Not clear enough, Mr. Ferrell. Are you speaking to the motion, Ms. Baines?
[1:49:35] Okay. Then we'll wait and we'll go to the motion. Okay. I'm not seeing any further discussion.
[1:49:40] Everybody is in favor of sending the letter.
[1:49:44] Anybody opposed?
[1:49:46] Seeing none. Okay. We'll send the letter. Thank you. The motion passes.
[1:49:50] Okay. Now I'll go to you, Ms. Baines.
[1:49:52] Councillor Baines, sorry.
[1:49:53] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:49:55] I think this is about transparency, readiness and informed participation.
[1:49:59] So from what I've heard and what I've heard many other councillors say here today,
[1:50:04] there still is a lack of clear plain language comparison that shows what's exactly changing.
[1:50:11] And we're looking at height, density and land use.
[1:50:16] And so we don't even have an understanding of the infrastructure as well in the financial readiness.
[1:50:24] Like Councillor Trevellian said, assessing, do we have the support of water, sewer, transportation,
[1:50:33] public safety resourcing for these kind of changes.
[1:50:37] And so by taking a few weeks to produce a one to two-page public summary, that's very clear.
[1:50:43] Launch a talk-white survey and hold a community information meeting where the questions can be asked,
[1:50:49] not putting dots on a board engaging constructively about that one to two-page summary.
[1:50:57] I want to put forward a motion and move that council defer.
[1:51:01] Consideration of first and second readings of the OCP amendment.
[1:51:05] And direct staff to prepare a plain language public summary.
[1:51:09] That's one to two pages that clearly outlines the proposed OCP amendment,
[1:51:14] including key changes, height limits, density, land use designations.
[1:51:21] Second, provide an infrastructure and financial readiness assessment,
[1:51:25] which identifies servicing requirements, capacity constraints, cost implications,
[1:51:31] and how these upgrades will be funded.
[1:51:34] And then report that back to council in our next meeting on November 3rd with those revisions,
[1:51:39] so we can further consider that.
[1:51:42] And then lastly, schedule the community information meetings and launch the talk-white online survey.
[1:51:49] So there can be a very fair and full understanding before there's a public hearing for December 1st.
[1:51:57] Do I have a seconder?
[1:52:00] Councillor Chesney?
[1:52:01] Okay.
[1:52:03] That seems like a lot of work for staff to put together by the next council meeting.
[1:52:09] I don't even think it would be possible.
[1:52:12] Yes.
[1:52:13] Yes.
[1:52:14] Yes.
[1:52:15] Yes.
[1:52:17] Yes.
[1:52:18] Thank you.
[1:52:19] That's a great motion, and I would be happy to end it in a motion that council wishes.
[1:52:22] It is no possible to, for the next meeting.
[1:52:25] And obviously, Councillor Bainsey, if we proceed with this, we will not meet in the deadline for December 31st.
[1:52:31] So with that in mind, the commotion passes.
[1:52:34] This is a report back to council to see when we can schedule the motion.
[1:52:38] I see what's presented.
[1:52:41] Okay.
[1:52:42] Any discussion, Councillor Lawrence?
[1:52:45] Thank you, Mayor Nite.
[1:52:47] Through you, based on that, the particular motion itself, when it comes down to infrastructure,
[1:52:54] infrastructure concerns usually you're taking up with DCCs of whatever development that gets put into place.
[1:53:01] In any aspect of the rezoning.
[1:53:04] The city also has, basically, a, not contingency, but at least a pool of funds to work on that.
[1:53:14] A lot of the infrastructure that's also necessary for increased density within particular areas.
[1:53:20] Specifically, when it comes down to our infrastructure and proven program, which we go and have a schedule to plan of events on improvements for
[1:53:30] a lot of the, a lot of the structures, and I think go with Mr. Gordon's there too.
[1:53:34] So he will, he will confirm that, that there are definitely aspects resources that can be put to forth when it comes down to infrastructure.
[1:53:44] I'll talk to that particular aspect, at least of the motion.
[1:53:48] And I'll, I'll, I can see the floor.
[1:53:53] Okay. Councillor Chunk.
[1:53:55] Through the chair, I just want to make a note that on a corporate reports for this,
[1:53:59] data October 20th, you see a timeline as to how many meetings with council meetings where staff has presented what we heard.
[1:54:09] Two two council two public.
[1:54:12] So this information was made public multiple times at different stages in our phases.
[1:54:20] So this is not like a new drawing that we're doing.
[1:54:23] This has been out public multiple times since this process started.
[1:54:29] Okay.
[1:54:31] I'm going to step in here.
[1:54:33] I can't support the motion because I am concerned about meeting our deadlines because it's, it's not an optional choice here.
[1:54:41] It's, it's a law.
[1:54:43] And I just wonder if what you're trying to achieve by saying, let's defer this.
[1:54:50] It may actually back for, because we don't know what the province is going to do if we don't meet those deadlines if they're going to come in.
[1:54:56] And if they put someone in our planning department to rubber stamp anything that comes forward.
[1:55:00] And you're trying to protect height and density.
[1:55:04] Like I say, it could backfire because someone can just walk in, put the plans on the counter and they just rubber stamp it.
[1:55:11] And we can't say anything about it because we are a creature of the province and they control us.
[1:55:16] So I personally can't support this because I think it's too big of a risk for our residents.
[1:55:21] And I just don't see how it's going to, to make what you want to happen happen.
[1:55:29] Councillor Debellion. Yeah, agenda.
[1:55:33] A couple of thoughts on this. If I understand it all correctly.
[1:55:37] One up to this point.
[1:55:39] All of the open and please, I stand for the Mayor, of course.
[1:55:44] All the open houses so far being, what do you think? What's your input public?
[1:55:49] I don't want to put words in Councillor Bains.
[1:55:52] I'm out here, but I think what you're suggesting is that we have information session or talk about it.
[1:55:58] This is it. What do you think?
[1:56:00] Because right now what I'm seeing is we've got a month away at December 1st of the public hearing.
[1:56:05] And we're asking our public who are all busy with their lives, jobs, employment, kids, all that to read 900 pages and find the relevant good stuff in this 900 pages.
[1:56:18] And then make a comment on it on December 1st. So I think having going out of the public saying, hey, here's a conversion.
[1:56:25] Here's the cool notes. Here's the quick one. This is what we've got. What do you think?
[1:56:30] And then they can read that. They just that in the comment on December 1st.
[1:56:34] I mean, that doesn't seem a huge issue for me. That's where I think the difference is.
[1:56:38] But I do have one question for staff if I may.
[1:56:43] Let's say, hypothetically, this motion goes ahead and it is deferred. This decision is deferred for two weeks.
[1:56:49] Why would we not be able to ultimately meet the December 15th deadline?
[1:56:55] Assuming of what would happen in two weeks time?
[1:57:00] Through the chair.
[1:57:02] Time will be required to prepare the documentation that's been referenced in the motion.
[1:57:08] And further to that, we will not be able to refer the by-law to the appropriate agencies or Metro Vancouver for their feedback on the regional context statement until after that input.
[1:57:20] I anticipate if something that council wants to hear before that referral would occur.
[1:57:24] So that will delay the timeline as a result, which will push all the subsequent pieces outwards into the new year.
[1:57:32] Okay, I may make it nice for quick follow-up on that.
[1:57:35] Now, I'm not sure about the infrastructure component, but I mean, is it not my motion at all, so.
[1:57:43] But if there was to be a just a, like, a cold note document to put out or talk white rock document is that doable in the next week or so.
[1:57:53] That a more limited scope of a condensed version of this is that a possibility of staff time to be able to do that.
[1:58:00] One to page, here's four questions.
[1:58:02] Get that feedback, something simple like that.
[1:58:06] Through the chair.
[1:58:08] One to two pages would be incredibly challenging to condense the volume of information that is in this.
[1:58:16] I couldn't tell you exactly how many because it's a really difficult question to answer.
[1:58:25] Somebody's got their hand up?
[1:58:27] I think I think also on this.
[1:58:31] Councilor Baines is, you know, we're elected to make these decisions.
[1:58:35] We have to read the thousand pages.
[1:58:38] We have to listen to what the public has brought forward and staff brings us the reports.
[1:58:43] And that's our job.
[1:58:45] That's what we do.
[1:58:46] So now to go back and ask for it to be shortened in a summary and more work.
[1:58:52] We're under the gun.
[1:58:54] Time wise.
[1:58:55] We're just not going to make it.
[1:58:56] So I just wanted to throw that up.
[1:58:58] Councilor Chessie.
[1:59:00] To your comment earlier, your worship that the government legislated us to do this.
[1:59:05] Then why are we even here tonight voting on this?
[1:59:08] Why did they not just go to the planning department?
[1:59:11] Say, here's what we need.
[1:59:13] Make it happen.
[1:59:14] I mean, if it's legislated.
[1:59:17] Why does it even come to council for a vote to be very honest?
[1:59:22] Can anybody answer that question?
[1:59:25] Mr. Ferre, you want to try that one?
[1:59:28] I think it would be.
[1:59:29] I mean, that's the way this time that the government put those bills out.
[1:59:35] Unfortunately, like we said before, we're critical of the municipalities of the province.
[1:59:40] And the province has the bills that they are basically low.
[1:59:44] And the municipality is required to.
[1:59:49] The border line is you have targets of about 8,000 units in the next 20 years.
[1:59:58] Sort of housing needs in the next 20 years.
[2:00:00] And you have to show in your OCP by December 31, how you're going to achieve this. That's really what it comes down to. In terms of infrastructure, we have a DCC program that deals with growth, as you know growth pays for growth.
[2:00:15] So that means that new roads, new sewer, new parks, and everything that you have mentioned will be covered under the DCCs.
[2:00:23] But the borderline all boils down to one single question. By December 31st, we were asked by the province to show how you're going to create over 8,000 units in the next 20 years.
[2:00:36] If I might just add to that, we have two new members of council. I feel somewhat sorry for them that they have come in and this late in the game.
[2:00:45] So, Councillor Bains has some questions. Some of them seem to be valid, most of them seem to be valid. So if we're on a two week delay, I don't think the province is going to go step in here and take over our planning department. I don't think that that's that serious.
[2:01:01] We we ask for a slight delay to get the one page as Councillor Travelling has indicated.
[2:01:09] A colds notes that the community can easily understand, but I'm not even really sure at the end of the day when we go back to the community, they're going to say, well that's not what we said.
[2:01:18] And we're saying, well, sorry, but that's what we're going to have to do. So again, rock in a hard place here I am.
[2:01:26] Okay, Councillor Manny, and then I think we're going to wrap it up calling. Oh, I'm sorry. Councillor Lawrence just have his hand up first. Then Councillor Manny.
[2:01:34] Right. Thank you very much. Great night. Through the chair. One of the interesting things I've had a history and my previous life dealing with two businesses actually that were regulated by the provincial government.
[2:01:53] When you defy an order, you feel it pretty quick. Let's just say that. You feel it very, very quick.
[2:02:01] And based on that and based on my experience with that, that's why I feel very, very motivated to move forward, at least on on this.
[2:02:16] That's my main focus because the the provincial government, they have when it comes down to enforcing the orders, they'll make it happen.
[2:02:28] When it comes down to municipality, I'm not sure. It could be a whole new bulk in, but we have seen some municipalities that that have had the province come in and take over.
[2:02:39] Other items that was mentioned earlier on, nobody's meeting their targets are actually a couple of cities that are meeting their targets.
[2:02:47] In fact, they're even getting more because of the fact that they're meeting them so well. So it can be done.
[2:02:54] But each municipality and district or unique and there's easier levels of density and certain areas than there are in others.
[2:03:05] The way we're up for sure, there's it's a challenge and a half to make happen. However, not making the attempt to move forward, especially when we are ordered to do so by the province.
[2:03:16] I think it would be a foolish endeavor. Thank you.
[2:03:20] Okay. Thank you and we've got council from adding that. I'm going to wrap it up.
[2:03:23] Thank you very much. Just following up on Councillor Chessney's most recent comment.
[2:03:28] We do have a letter later on our agenda package from Minister Boyle, committing us on making progress and we are acting in good faith.
[2:03:37] So I have a hard time imagining that the province would come down hard and white rock if the ultimate approval of this goes over into January.
[2:03:50] Okay. Councillor Baines has a motion on the floor. It's been moved in second. I'm going to call the question.
[2:03:55] Okay. Can we repeat the motion please?
[2:04:00] My apologies. I'd have to ask Councillor Baines to repeat her motion. I got pieces of it.
[2:04:09] Okay. So I had said I'd move that council defer consideration of first and second readings of the OCP amendment.
[2:04:16] And direct staff to prepare a plain language public summary, one to two page that clearly outlines the proposed OCP amendments, including key changes,
[2:04:27] height limits density, land use designations and anticipated committee impacts, which Mr. Ferrell confirmed is doable.
[2:04:36] Provide second, provide an infrastructure and financial readiness assessment, high level identifying servicing requirements, capacity constraints, cost implications and how upgrades would be funded again high level.
[2:04:50] And three report back to council in November third in our next meeting with those revisions for consideration.
[2:04:58] And after November third schedule a community information meeting and launch a talk wait rock online survey with those plain language summaries and financial information for public to ask about an inquire on and that would be prior to the December first timeline for the public hearing.
[2:05:19] Mr. Ferrell. Thank you. Thank you for your clarification. Councillor Baines, I just want to advise council that I will not be able to bring that information on the next meeting.
[2:05:28] There's simply no time to collect all that information.
[2:05:31] What I can do is I can bring a report that will highlight how we and one we're going to be able to bring that information for the next meeting.
[2:05:42] Councillor Baines, are you okay with that? Because it doesn't look like it's doable for the next meeting.
[2:05:50] What you had said that you can do a one to do page summary. Correct.
[2:05:54] One of two page summary would be the one I would advise to do it. So you know Councillor Baines agenda deadline for next meeting is next week.
[2:06:01] So we only have five or six days to be able to do it. So we're in a pretty crunch right.
[2:06:07] I'd be happy to do do my best if you want to want to pay summary. I think what we're going to bring is probably what it says on the executive summary on the report that you just have in front of you right now.
[2:06:16] That basically summarizes the project itself.
[2:06:20] I guess you know this motion is in in regards to being transparent and the residents being ready for this so.
[2:06:28] I'm caring for the motion.
[2:06:34] Well I mean I appreciate if I can try to make a friendly amendment. I appreciate staff's comments about time.
[2:06:40] Is there any possibility that Mr. Councillor Baines could maybe reduce the scope of that.
[2:06:46] Yeah, maybe not limit to one or two page two three or four you don't not try to make it but also maybe take out the infrastructure part of it given that seems to to me that seems to more complicated.
[2:06:58] Element to achieve in a week, but maybe it was just a simple three four page.
[2:07:03] You know here are the heights comparing the what the current OCP with the proposed ones people can see this is going to be five as me 12 those kind of those big nugget items that are relevant to the public.
[2:07:14] It's up to you that's friendly amendment would be sorry I know your brand new would be it's up to you to accept or decline.
[2:07:19] I'm just listening to what staff telling me and I'm saying if you want to.
[2:07:22] It's up to you though you don't have to accept it.
[2:07:25] Yep, no I'm fine with that and like the the main thing is having an analysis looking at what has changed.
[2:07:33] With the heights because from what I've been hearing is there's confusion on that and there's not a desire to go any higher.
[2:07:41] But that is indicated in our 1000 page document and so to really make that clear so that an informed decision can be made by the residents.
[2:07:52] The residents are making the decisions we are at the council table.
[2:07:55] They're input and then we make the decision.
[2:07:59] If that's what we've been doing before.
[2:08:01] We've gone ten months on this.
[2:08:03] Okay, I'm going to call no council chunk. Okay, and then we're going to wrap it up.
[2:08:07] Thank you through the chair.
[2:08:09] I can't imagine how we could possibly put this into a two page or when the report is a thousand pages and we just did a presentation.
[2:08:16] I don't even know how many slides there were.
[2:08:18] How can you possibly fit just by saying on one page you're about heights and density and what's changed without giving any context as to how that's even been arrived.
[2:08:28] You don't give it context as to market analysis what the housing targets are you just saying this is the heights the new heights and this is the old heights and this is to new density.
[2:08:37] How can anyone as a resident if I'm reading and go oh I don't want that height I'm just going to tell you right now.
[2:08:43] It's not an informed decision when you just give them something so basic is not even possible.
[2:08:49] You are doing your community a disservice by giving information that's not informative basically.
[2:08:56] So I'm going to have to vote against this.
[2:08:58] Okay, thank you.
[2:09:00] I'm going to call the question all those in favor.
[2:09:03] Opposed.
[2:09:05] Councilor Chung, Mayor Knight and Councilor Lawrence opposed motion carries.
[2:09:11] Okay, so now we can go back to our.
[2:09:17] Are you okay stuff you understand?
[2:09:19] Sure.
[2:09:23] So yours is no need to do any other motions because you the first consideration of the report.
[2:09:28] Okay, so we're not doing anything on the actual corporate report then no recommendations and not moving to the by law to go over any of that.
[2:09:37] Okay, thank you.
[2:09:39] Okay, so we're going to move on to select committee minutes and council.
[2:09:45] We look to receive the housing advisory committee from October 1st, 2025.
[2:09:50] So receipt.
[2:09:51] Second.
[2:09:52] Any discussion?
[2:09:53] Seeing none.
[2:09:54] All those in favor.
[2:09:55] Post.
[2:09:56] Gary.
[2:09:57] Next is the public art and culture advisory committee from October 8th, 2025.
[2:10:01] So move.
[2:10:02] Second.
[2:10:03] All those in favor.
[2:10:04] Post.
[2:10:05] Now we're going to go on to by laws and first by laws by law two five five three and this is the
[2:10:11] 2025 fees and charges by law 2024 number two five one four.
[2:10:15] This is amendment number three and this is for final reading council.
[2:10:20] What is your wish?
[2:10:21] Move for a condition.
[2:10:22] Second.
[2:10:23] Any discussion?
[2:10:24] Councilor Tessney.
[2:10:25] Sorry.
[2:10:26] Just.
[2:10:27] You did.
[2:10:28] Okay.
[2:10:30] Seeing none.
[2:10:32] All those in favor.
[2:10:33] Post.
[2:10:34] Councilor Tessney.
[2:10:35] Post.
[2:10:36] Motion carries.
[2:10:37] Next is.
[2:10:38] Okay.
[2:10:39] So that's the official community plan which got thrown out.
[2:10:42] So we're not.
[2:10:43] You're doing that one.
[2:10:44] And next we go on to correspondence.
[2:10:47] And this is 10.1 A to D is circulated.
[2:10:50] What is council's wish?
[2:10:52] Receive.
[2:10:53] Move for C.
[2:10:54] Second.
[2:10:55] Through A through D.
[2:10:56] Correct.
[2:10:57] Okay.
[2:10:58] Great.
[2:10:59] All those in favor.
[2:11:02] Okay.
[2:11:03] I'm going to do my mayor's report because I let you off the hook last time.
[2:11:07] And the time before then.
[2:11:09] Okay.
[2:11:10] I'll do it quickly.
[2:11:11] I did want to acknowledge that it's to walk the walley today.
[2:11:15] And I wanted to make sure there's lots of celebrations going on in our community.
[2:11:19] Even though we're stuck here at the council table.
[2:11:21] We want to build to celebrate.
[2:11:23] But hopefully we can go out later and do that.
[2:11:25] On Wednesday, October 8th.
[2:11:26] I have the pleasure of having the girl guides come to city hall and come with their
[2:11:30] cookie fundraising efforts.
[2:11:32] I know they sold a lot of cookies to staff and then we did a lot of fun things with them that day.
[2:11:37] Following that, I did my video recording of the post council overview and provide a summary to the city.
[2:11:42] Later I joined council chung for a visit with resident Norma Morrison and we went over her paintings that she has from her late husband displayed at her house.
[2:11:51] On Thursday, October 9th.
[2:11:53] I attended the Metropolitan Vancouver Regional Planning Committee meeting on October 10th.
[2:11:57] I had the pleasure of attending the Artisan Residence opening celebrated hosted by artists Easton Arnos from the
[2:12:02] Samyamu First Nation at that town gallery.
[2:12:04] So if you haven't seen it, you should go and check it all out.
[2:12:07] It's a wonderful display.
[2:12:09] On Saturday, October 11th.
[2:12:10] I had the pleasure of attending the 31st Annual Red Surge Gala in support of the Samyamu Community Safety Society.
[2:12:16] On October 14th, I participated in TransLink Mayor's Council on Regional Transportation.
[2:12:21] On October 15th, I participated in the Metropolitan Vancouver Liquid Waste Committee meeting.
[2:12:26] Thursday, October 16th.
[2:12:27] I met with our staff sergeant Rob Dixon for our monthly meetings to receive updates and have discussions about our community.
[2:12:33] On Friday, October 17th.
[2:12:35] I participated in the Metropolitan Vancouver Mayor's Committee meeting.
[2:12:38] So that's fine.
[2:12:39] Last two weeks.
[2:12:40] Councilor Chung.
[2:12:41] Thank you.
[2:12:42] Through the chair.
[2:12:43] Last Sunday was the last Sunday of the White Rock farmers market and it was very successful year.
[2:12:48] The market had approximately 116,000 visitors and that's up about 10,000 visitors
[2:12:54] from 2024.
[2:12:55] We redeemed about 26,840 dollars in coupons.
[2:13:01] And estimated 5,5 million dollars in economic impact for our community.
[2:13:07] Now, as the President of the White Rock farmers market, I want to give a heartfelt thanks to the city white rock
[2:13:13] to Boza, Miramau Stratus, and of course, the vendors, the staff, the sponsors, the residents, and the visitors.
[2:13:19] You all took part in making this market great.
[2:13:22] The board just met last week and we're looking at potentially expanding.
[2:13:27] So we'll keep you guys updated.
[2:13:31] Great.
[2:13:32] Any other Councillors?
[2:13:34] Seeing none.
[2:13:35] Okay.
[2:13:36] Now we'll move on to motions.
[2:13:37] And we've got Councillor Chavallian for a council procedure by law amendment.
[2:13:42] Yes.
[2:13:43] Thank you very much.
[2:13:44] This is a motion I'm putting forward at this time.
[2:13:46] It was an awesome motion last time.
[2:13:49] And it is the city council.
[2:13:52] Direct the city council committee procedure by law.
[2:13:54] Number two, three, nine, three to be amended to permit any member of council to add an agenda item.
[2:13:58] Or item, if supportive, at least one of the member of council.
[2:14:01] The objective of this is simply to allow any member of this council to add an agenda item to
[2:14:06] for discussion.
[2:14:07] And of course, council has the right to vote that down.
[2:14:09] So, so choose.
[2:14:11] I don't think that should be blocked any time in the process.
[2:14:14] If elected member of council wants to add an agenda item.
[2:14:18] Is there a seconder?
[2:14:19] Okay.
[2:14:20] Is there a seconder?
[2:14:21] Councillor Manning.
[2:14:23] Councillor Manning?
[2:14:24] Seconder?
[2:14:25] Okay.
[2:14:26] Discussion on this.
[2:14:28] Councillor tongue?
[2:14:31] I want to make sure that the public is aware of what's happening here.
[2:14:35] Because we're about to debate on a rule that changes how agendas it builds and who controls what
[2:14:40] get discussed at councils.
[2:14:42] On the surface, it sounds really democratic.
[2:14:44] You know that council has added agenda items and then the other one.
[2:14:47] Seconds, it's all great.
[2:14:49] But here's the real impact.
[2:14:51] This motion is risky.
[2:14:53] Because it creates open to door to ambush politics.
[2:14:57] Imagine you watching at home and you.
[2:15:00] And option and council is voting on something that affects you. And you didn't even know about it because you woke up in the morning, there was not on a agenda.
[2:15:07] It pressures the council into making uninformed decisions without staff reports, legal contexts, public consultation or financial analysis.
[2:15:15] And we end up guessing, instead of making decisions. And you know what? The best part is if I get a lot of lawsuits. So I'll give you an example.
[2:15:24] Also, I decided I'm going to add to the agenda. I would like to ban food trucks in front of my friends business. And so in seconds, are we going to discuss that?
[2:15:33] Or I like to name my uncle. The problem is going to be renamed my uncle's name.
[2:15:39] I could do that. I could throw anything. And if I wanted to, I was on someone's second set.
[2:15:43] So a few council meetings ago, council chivalent Ashley came and made a motion to change the parking at the 1,300 block of faucet streets.
[2:15:53] And staff advise against it because we have a transportation implementation plan, and also the Church of Holy Trinity, which runs a daycare, could have lost critical parking.
[2:16:05] Fortunately, that was on the agenda. So the public spoke up and said, hey, don't do that because we would lose the loadings on.
[2:16:13] So if it wasn't on the agenda, it was just talked about and we changed that there's impacts that we don't know.
[2:16:20] So you can say that we're not going to come up with any frivolous motions, but the fact is there's nothing stopping that from happening. Someone just needs to second it.
[2:16:31] Council chivalent, I want you to tell me, have you done the research as to how many municipalities have done this?
[2:16:38] I'm going to tell you, because I did some research and the answer is zero.
[2:16:43] Probably because of the reasons I mentioned. I'm not going to sacrifice theatrics for this. So I'm not going to support this at all.
[2:16:52] Okay, thank you.
[2:16:54] Yes, definitely.
[2:16:56] Obviously, the act of democracy triggered my fellow counselor. I'm sorry, you feel so strongly about that.
[2:17:02] For me, I've been on counts for seven years now, and I've operated under this informal procedure the entire time.
[2:17:09] The world is not collapsed. The sky is not falling.
[2:17:12] It's totally, all the examples you gave us, totally reasonable people to put something on the agenda. There's no surprise.
[2:17:18] It's to meet the deadline, put on the agenda like every other item, and we debate and vote on it.
[2:17:24] And if it's a bad idea, then council votes against it. And if it's good idea, the council votes for it.
[2:17:30] It's that simple. There's no ambush. There's no surprise. It's like any other agenda item.
[2:17:35] I don't understand, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm question even if there's understanding of the motion.
[2:17:39] So this is how I've operated under for seven years.
[2:17:43] And I think it's very fair that we have six members of council in a mirror, and I think it's reasonable in a democracy that any member elected member of council is the right
[2:17:52] to add an agenda item to the White Rucksity Council. And that's my motion. Thank you.
[2:17:59] Thank you. I, I'm not supporting this, because I really don't think it's good governance. I think, you know, are we doing this for the benefit of the residents of White Rucks?
[2:18:10] Or are we doing it because you've got an issue about getting something on the agenda? And that's where I draw the line.
[2:18:17] You know, if it's something personal, we've got a, we've got a government for 21,900 people. So I won't be supporting it.
[2:18:24] Councilor Chung, and then let's wrap it up. We've got a couple more to go.
[2:18:28] Thank you. So it's just once again, if you weren't sitting here, and he, and something was added to the agenda, you wouldn't even know it was being debated.
[2:18:35] And he could affect you. So someone's sleeping right now and watching TV, and they didn't realize that Councilor Vallean has brought up something in someone's second.
[2:18:42] And it's being debated on, and voted on. He's not saying what he said was, oh, we're doing this the same is not. There is no, there's no notice for someone to find out what this is being debated. There's no staff report.
[2:18:55] There's no financial implications. There's nothing. He's just wants to vote on an ideal or something. And then you make a decision that's completely uninformed. So how can that be for the community?
[2:19:05] Okay. I'm going to let Councilor Debellion do a quick response, and then we're going to vote.
[2:19:09] Sorry. Thank you.
[2:19:10] Yeah. I don't know. It's not going to pay politics for minutes. I won't be clarifying this. This is not, it's to be very clear. I don't, I don't, I don't understand it.
[2:19:18] This is not me bringing a motion randomly in a council meeting.
[2:19:21] This is to meet the deadline for an agenda. So it gets published in the agenda.
[2:19:28] Hey, I would like to discuss. I don't know.
[2:19:32] New garbage cans in the waterfront. Oh, I missed the deadline for the agenda. Okay. I'll have for the next meeting.
[2:19:39] Oh, you made it in time for the agenda, which is whatever is Monday, the week before, and it gets published in the agenda. There's no surprise. There's no ambush.
[2:19:49] You just simply, and you don't like it. You vote against it and you like it. You vote for it. It's that simple.
[2:19:55] Okay. Mr. Ferrell, and then more call on the vote.
[2:19:59] Thank you. I think we're confusing two terms over here. Currently, the procedure by law allows the council or Trevellant is referring to.
[2:20:08] Any council member can send an email to the corporate officer and add anything they wish on the agenda.
[2:20:14] Tonight's agenda is a good example of that.
[2:20:17] Councilor Trevellant added this to the agenda. Councilor Chesney has a couple of notices of motion as well.
[2:20:22] So in a sense, what I understood that you were trying to achieve is to add an item on the agenda, add the meeting, without having the proper notice.
[2:20:31] So it does note the case where you're requesting it's already on the procedure by law.
[2:20:36] We had this, we've all respect, we had this conflict over a motion I wanted the agenda, and it was that you was told, no, I will not be putting it on the agenda or advice the mayor.
[2:20:48] And that's a trigger this.
[2:20:51] Could you remind me?
[2:20:53] Yes, I can. I didn't want to get into it, but we had a council meeting maybe a month ago where a delegation came and they wanted to add a question to the by law ballot.
[2:21:05] And I put a motion saying yes, it was voted down, which is, that's fine, that's fair game.
[2:21:11] I've subsequent to that, I wanted to add a motion to the agenda for discussion by this council.
[2:21:16] Simply asking, okay, we're not going to add, sorry, leave back it up, that was a motion about the city hall, the location, the city hall.
[2:21:25] And that was voted down in that's the end of that story, fair game, that's democracy.
[2:21:30] But I asked to put another agenda item on, which was, okay, that's defeated.
[2:21:36] My new gentleman is, we should have a question on the ballot about any topic.
[2:21:41] Use this opportunity of a by law election.
[2:21:45] Let's add a question to the ballot, no council made a degree of that, that's fine.
[2:21:50] But I wanted that discussion over can we add a question to any topic.
[2:21:54] I'm not going to bring up the city hall again because I was voted down and I respect that, I respect my colleagues through decision.
[2:21:59] And that was, I was told I was not allowed to do that.
[2:22:02] And then looking through that procedural by law, there's nothing in it.
[2:22:05] I can add a notice of motion, nothing in their explicitly states that I'm allowed, as a member,
[2:22:10] seeing a council to add an agenda item in time for the deadline.
[2:22:13] So that's where this is coming from.
[2:22:16] Okay, I understand.
[2:22:17] So, I believe the way the council, Treven has trying to do is already on the procedural by law, I can highlight it.
[2:22:24] However, I think what he's actually referring to is about the motion that has failed,
[2:22:29] and then council brings the exact same motion or similarly nature, similar nature, to the original motion.
[2:22:37] So the procedural by law currently says that if the motion has been put forward to council and the motion fails,
[2:22:45] whoever is on the prevailing side can bring the motion back or a similar motion with the same context.
[2:22:51] However, the person who is not on the on the on the prevailing side can no bring that motion.
[2:22:55] So if that is what council would like to change, then I'll be happy to work and report and make those changes.
[2:23:06] Okay, it's been moved in second. So are you changing it now?
[2:23:09] So, okay.
[2:23:10] I'm sorry.
[2:23:11] Yeah, it's clarify again.
[2:23:12] I completely agree with what you've, Mr. Farrow, what you've just said, thanks for the mayor.
[2:23:15] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:23:17] Where we disagree is that my subsequent motion you had it.
[2:23:22] Believe that it was the same motion again and to me, a motion on the ballot about city hall to me is a very different animal.
[2:23:30] Then okay, that's done.
[2:23:32] Well, let's use this opportunity to add questions about anything, the waterfront anything else.
[2:23:37] It's a very different motion.
[2:23:38] And so if council is on support that, that's their decision. That's fine.
[2:23:42] But I think I should add the right to put that separate distinct motion on the agenda.
[2:23:46] And that's the disagreement.
[2:23:48] And looking over the central ballot, there's nothing there it allowed me to do that.
[2:23:51] I was blocked and that's why I'm asking to change it slightly.
[2:23:54] Okay.
[2:23:56] I'm going to call a question on the motion.
[2:23:59] Mr. Farrow, did you want to say something else before we proceed?
[2:24:02] I know you're worried, but still don't understand it.
[2:24:04] I think we're talking about two separate things right now.
[2:24:07] Any council member can bring any motions as long as the motion hasn't failed before.
[2:24:11] Or staff has an action on it.
[2:24:14] So if you want to change that portion of the ballot, then I'm happy to bring those changes.
[2:24:18] Right now you can bring any motion as long as there has no been failed.
[2:24:22] Okay.
[2:24:23] Okay.
[2:24:24] I'm going to call a question. All of those in favor.
[2:24:28] Opposed.
[2:24:30] Councillor Chung, Mayor Knight, and Councillor Lawrence.
[2:24:34] Yes.
[2:24:35] Okay.
[2:24:37] Now we're going to go on to the Helen Father's walkway signage.
[2:24:40] And this is from Councillor Chesney.
[2:24:45] I think it's a very straightforward thing.
[2:24:48] It's simple requests.
[2:24:49] The signs did go up for the walkways.
[2:24:51] Beautiful signs that they are.
[2:24:53] But I do have a problem with at the top.
[2:24:56] But Columbia Avenue and I've spoken with Mr. Gordon.
[2:24:59] Of why the sign was placed down on the walkway.
[2:25:02] And these signs are to draw people's attention to the walkway.
[2:25:06] And increase usage of the walkway.
[2:25:09] As it is right now, the sign is only visible once you're down on the walkway.
[2:25:13] So when I spoke to Mr. Gordon, it seemed rather nebulous.
[2:25:16] I don't really remember what his response was.
[2:25:19] But it was A. There are already too many signs up there, which I don't believe is the case.
[2:25:24] And B. He was directed to put the sign there.
[2:25:28] So I just think it's a very simple thing to move that sign up on the Columbia Avenue where the community can see it.
[2:25:35] And promote the fact that we have these walkways.
[2:25:37] Why bury the sign where people can't even see it?
[2:25:40] So that's the first part of my motion.
[2:25:43] Do you have a second?
[2:25:46] Okay.
[2:25:49] Okay. I was there when that sign went up.
[2:25:52] And I had the same question.
[2:25:55] And the reason being is we just have a sidewalk and a guardrail there.
[2:25:59] So there's no where to put the sign in.
[2:26:01] And if you put it on the actual sidewalk, and it would take away from the sidewalk and make it usable.
[2:26:09] Sorry.
[2:26:10] I just would do a second.
[2:26:11] With the respect mirror, there is no sidewalk there.
[2:26:14] At Columbia.
[2:26:15] No.
[2:26:16] We're down that walkway?
[2:26:18] No.
[2:26:19] There's a railing there, and there's a sign that says East Beach, West Beach.
[2:26:23] But there's no sidewalk on Columbia at the top of the Helen Father's walkway.
[2:26:27] There's room on the other side of the railing where the other signs are that it could have been placed very easily.
[2:26:32] So people would see it and become aware of it.
[2:26:34] But yeah, there's no sidewalk there.
[2:26:36] Okay.
[2:26:37] Well, then there's just a little bit of gravel or something because I remember we did have this question, Mr. Gordon.
[2:26:42] Do you have the actual?
[2:26:44] Yes.
[2:26:45] I'm not exactly sure why the sign was put down there.
[2:26:48] I wasn't on the committee, but a committee considered a number of reasons for the locations of all the signs.
[2:26:54] But practically I did go out there and look at it with one of our staff.
[2:27:00] And we can move the sign.
[2:27:02] We can move it up.
[2:27:03] We'll put footings in similar to what we put in for the railing.
[2:27:07] So if council directs, technically we can move that sign.
[2:27:11] Okay, so that'll be flat against it then.
[2:27:13] Instead of the way that people could actually see it.
[2:27:16] It would be.
[2:27:18] Yeah.
[2:27:19] You'd see it quite clearly when you come down center street.
[2:27:22] Be facing that way.
[2:27:23] Yeah.
[2:27:24] So it'll be flat against it.
[2:27:25] So that wouldn't make you happy with it.
[2:27:27] Perfect.
[2:27:28] Okay.
[2:27:29] I'll call the question then.
[2:27:30] I don't see anybody else.
[2:27:31] All those in favor.
[2:27:32] Opposed.
[2:27:33] Carried.
[2:27:34] Okay.
[2:27:35] Helen Father's walkway plaque now from Councillor Chesney.
[2:27:39] Again, we have established a pattern already with the Terry Park.
[2:27:44] Terry Park Plaza.
[2:27:46] The park at the corner of Johnson and Columbia.
[2:27:49] Stager Park has a small little indicating sign that it's there in the memory of Margaret
[2:27:54] Stager and the work that she's done in the community.
[2:27:56] So we all know who Helen Father is.
[2:27:59] But I think that most people that see the walkway over the years were wonder who is Helen
[2:28:04] Father's.
[2:28:05] I think if we're going to dedicate the thing to her.
[2:28:07] A small plaque that just indicates she was a city counselor.
[2:28:10] For the period of such and such time and passed away during her service to the city as a result of that.
[2:28:16] Very very limited thing.
[2:28:17] I mean just let's just identify the reason that we put this sign up is that this is a lady who gave herself and devoted herself to this community for a number of years.
[2:28:27] And the council of the day voted to put a sign up honoring that.
[2:28:30] So I just think we need a small little plaque similar to the one at Stager Park at the corner of Johnson and Columbia.
[2:28:36] Thank you.
[2:28:37] Okay.
[2:28:38] I'm looking for that.
[2:28:41] Can't say many.
[2:28:42] Councillor Manny.
[2:28:43] Second.
[2:28:44] Okay.
[2:28:46] Something.
[2:28:47] Oh, I thought, sorry.
[2:28:49] My only question on that is we've had other counselors pass away and we haven't done anything for them.
[2:28:59] And I just think, you know, I like the walkway.
[2:29:03] You know, we did a special council meeting for council or father's.
[2:29:06] I think we've done a lot.
[2:29:08] But now to do plaques on top of it.
[2:29:10] I mean, is there any policy, Mr. Ferrell, for this type of honoring someone that's passed away well in office or, you know, what, what policies we should follow?
[2:29:21] Not a lot of this time.
[2:29:23] There's no policies.
[2:29:24] So I just can't support this.
[2:29:27] Not that I had any any problem with Councillor Fathers.
[2:29:30] I think she did a good job, but I just think we should look to staff for a policy.
[2:29:34] Because I think number one, Mary Wade Anderson.
[2:29:38] I mean, she was an office for how many years.
[2:29:40] You know, she went through a lot.
[2:29:42] Larry Robinson, you know, these people passed away.
[2:29:46] And we haven't named a walkway or anything after them.
[2:29:49] I mean, my thought is, you know, maybe in the community have, we'll have like a memorial wall or something like that,
[2:29:54] to honor people who have served before and has passed away.
[2:29:58] But so anyways, I'm just,
[2:30:00] Good afternoon, my two cents on it.
[2:30:03] Through the chair, this is coming very similar to the public arts situation where we have public arts
[2:30:10] on private buildings and we don't actually have a policy about it. So I could just imagine
[2:30:14] this is going to, I think we need to have a policy in place before we decide on this
[2:30:18] so that you could be fair. So that's what I'm going to, is there a motion? Did you make a motion?
[2:30:24] Okay, what should be willing to amend it and say that, let's get a policy in place before we
[2:30:31] enforce any of the fair?
[2:30:33] If we don't have a policy, how do we have the Terry Paraplaser?
[2:30:37] This is where we're starting, right?
[2:30:38] How do we have? Well, and here's where we're starting to. I mean, I was very respectful of Maryway
[2:30:43] Danderson and Larry Robinson passing during their term in council, but nobody put forward a motion, no council
[2:30:51] decided, hey, we should do something to honor these members or this member of council. The previous council
[2:30:56] did make that decision that, Kevin Father's was on when she passed away. So an honor of her memory
[2:31:05] was decided by the previous council that we wouldn't dedicate that walkway to her. The fact that we do have
[2:31:11] plaques already specifying what we've named something after somebody.
[2:31:18] I need the friendly amendment. I don't think I will accept. I'd like to see this and then we can bring forward a motion.
[2:31:24] If you want councilor Chung, that a policy be developed, but I don't want to stop this midstream because there is no policy.
[2:31:31] There's already indications in the community that we've already done this in the past.
[2:31:38] So I don't see that we actually need to have developed a policy for this decision.
[2:31:41] Future, I can understand, maybe we certainly should have a policy in future, but the fact that we do have
[2:31:48] indicators already in the community that we have honored members of the community with a small plaque.
[2:31:54] I don't see that they're any reason that we shouldn't do that, no.
[2:31:57] Councilor Chavay.
[2:32:00] Thank you, Mayor. I kind of agree with both parties here.
[2:32:02] But it is, I think you're obviously right, Councilor Chung and Mayor Knight, that we should have a policy.
[2:32:07] We should do that at the same time. It is Helen Father's Walkway.
[2:32:10] And it's not a reason for someone walking ten years down the road when the time passes to say who's Helen Father.
[2:32:17] So I'm in favor, basically what you said is, do this one because we already call Helen Father's Walkway.
[2:32:23] Explain who Helen Father's was.
[2:32:24] And then I think instead of the case, I think having a policy makes sense.
[2:32:31] Okay, no one further.
[2:32:33] Oh, Councilman. Sorry, you know on the end, you gotta, we know.
[2:32:37] I got along, I'm sorry. I could do it.
[2:32:40] Thank you, Mayor Knight, through yourself to Councillor Chasney.
[2:32:45] As a friendly amendment, would you accept that whatever verbiage the city does come up with to honor the Lake Councillor that we run up by her family first?
[2:32:55] Absolutely.
[2:32:59] Okay.
[2:33:00] Mr. Gordon.
[2:33:03] Thank you, Mayor. May I respectfully ask that this be considered a public art culture committee?
[2:33:10] Because I don't know what type of park to put in there. Big small.
[2:33:14] Okay.
[2:33:18] Councillor Chasney.
[2:33:20] Through the chair, Mr. Gordon, all you have to do is you want to have a look at the plaque that's a staggered park.
[2:33:25] Similar plaque would be just perfect.
[2:33:27] Why don't you put the wording in now then if what staggered park is?
[2:33:32] Staggered park basically just identifies that the park was dedicated in the memory of Margaret Stagger who volunteered in the community.
[2:33:39] So the actual wording for the Helen Father's plaque, I don't believe needs to be anything more than Helen Father's was a city counselor who served the city from so and so to so and so.
[2:33:50] Okay.
[2:33:51] Okay. Here we go with that. Everybody. Okay. Great. I'm going to call the question all those in favor.
[2:33:56] Sorry. My screen wasn't working all those in favor.
[2:34:00] Opposed Mayor Knight of Poise. Okay. Motion carries.
[2:34:05] And that's it.
[2:34:07] Call for conclusion. Thank you everyone.