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oh yeah

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you know
how you feel about that i don't know

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it's up to us
where it gets moved too it's the

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isn't it it's not city property no it's
been donated to the city by the library

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okay
it is ours we can

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actually put it we'd have to pour a pad
down there so there would be some cost

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but
i think it would be much more utilized

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in that location if you can buy right
now steve you could probably put it on

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top where the
tanks are

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and then we can put in their staff with
all the fills i know there's a

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we don't fill a ton down there but
it's

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and i don't know if there would be any
fire

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marshall issues not not state fire
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because i think is it ag or state police
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yeah somewhere between the billion and
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yeah so
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with that um
so it's council good relocated

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i mean we don't like it
it's not terribly hard to move

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no it's a little top heavy

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we're sure to take a section of paper
yeah it has to be on a solid

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bolted down
yeah facing itself

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there's not an open spot now that would
really be appropriate

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well not on top of the gas tanks yeah
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yeah it does have uh there was one
common that one of the benches is

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missing but that's actually for a
wheelchair accessibility so there's just

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punches on three sides
wherever you feel running the cameras or

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okay so um thank you guys for your time
this evening i appreciate it so i

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contacted scott um
because over the last year and a half

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two years
we have been working on a broadband

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study for all of muskegon county
long ago

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two years ago it was started the
initiative was started by mozart dick

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they kind of said hey

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let's put together this work group in
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and discuss it so we did and we all
agreed yes it's a problem

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and i said okay so we've convened all
these people who wants to take it over

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well we took it over
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um quite a few
meetings with our executive

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team
for the broadband committee and then the

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broader
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we decided to put out proposals um a
request for proposals for a broadband

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study for all of muskegon county we
received three proposals

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back
we discussed them

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between the larger committee and then
the executive committee

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and came to the determination that none
of the three proposals were what

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we saw fit nor did they meet the needs
of what we were seeking

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um so we kind of then went back and
forth okay can we work with our

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providers to then get their information
and sign mbas put our own gis map

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together
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we'll do all the work and go from there
that became a problem because only one

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provider would share their gis data with
us um so then we kind of was the same as

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we did with the other companies
exact same outline

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and they sent us their proposal back
what is different about this is um all

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the other three
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surveys that were attached to them so
they were going to survey residents

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please raise your hand if you know
exactly which service you have your

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download speed
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everything like that

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okay one who would actually even fill a
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who would actually fill out a survey
period if it was mailed to them

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okay
or one two three xyz street and went

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home michigan um
would love to sign up for service i'm

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serious
we don't have service in your area

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well i know they do because they're two
streets they're two doors down

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that's what this study tells us is that
they can provide that service and then

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how much it will take and how much it
will cost to provide that service

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um so they'll take all of that data
parcel by personal and then they'll put

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it on a gis map for us
and then we'll be able to take this data

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which is what the providers and
the state federal government want

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from us to get those dollars
to then extend broadband into

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um every single community in the county
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that's what we're looking at right now
is we're looking at fundraising for

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this study to be done so then we can
show the return on investment not only

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to
the communities to invest

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not only for the providers to invest but
then letting us know what we have and

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what our capabilities are and what we're
missing because we're certainly missing

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quite a bit it is putting it in front of
their board for 25.

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um
we um agree with academic development

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we're putting in 10
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have a few other presentations
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the community and the county for
other

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other funders
we'll be asking every municipality

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and we also have businesses that we're
asking as well

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just because it becomes so important not
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remote workers but for telehealth for
virtual learning baker college is almost

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100 percent online courses so if you
don't have access to revenue

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um if you're somebody who
is elderly and have a doctor's

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appointment will
don't have transportation and you can do

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telehealth
but don't have access to internet well

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you're kind of stuck in this situation
um so that's really what the idea is to

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really serve the underserved
and make it so we have this

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available in our county
and then again for talent recruitment

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and attraction
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broadband has become a necessity just
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electricity
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if you want people coming to your
community into your county you want

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businesses to do the same thing
and increase your tax base

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so would this broadband be available to
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all of us for a dollar amount would it
be free broadband what what's the what's

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the end goal with this the end goal is
to get the study so we have the data to

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bring to the providers
and to the state and federal officials

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who are giving out
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spider on state dollars
for ten thousand dollars

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yeah so that's a good question i had the
same thing from messi to our account

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fair or share i would say 132 000
divided by 27 wouldn't be the way to go

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yeah so not everybody's going to give
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we understand that so
what we're doing right now is really

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targeting the communities that are
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the most
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the services
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with
the city of whitehall and

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the city of muskegon and
the city of northwest et cetera et

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cetera et cetera
that's where most of the residents live

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so that's that's the whole idea behind
it we may it may seem like you are

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served but you're not fully served to
the capabilities and capacity that you

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should be
um we're still going after

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lexier creek township and

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yes sir
is the basic ask for all the communities

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the ten thousand
yeah so all the city starting so all the

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city for asking ten
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in the larger townships report and this
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and then once we get down to the smaller
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were at five
or like 25 and that's if they even

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let us
present in front of

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their boards

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because we understand you know
i mean everybody has r for money

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everybody does this everybody has that
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that's great but they have projects that
they already have the money out

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i guess what i'm
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so bear with me but
is this going to i mean the city of

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whitehall is serviced by they're not
going to take their place on what they

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currently have installed they're going
to take their place with fiber

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because that's what the end goal is
for fiber is what's

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i don't want to say it's new because
it's not new it's the next step

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in the long term
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for
broadband connectivity because it's

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higher speed
normally it's underground

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there's much more capability and
capacity of fiber not only for business

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not only for residential but also for
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so it can allow other providers to come
in and have a more competitive market

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and i know that's happening in one
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um right now where a fiber provider is
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that community
and they will be

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another option
for those individuals in that community

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so it becomes a competitive market
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you're stuck with one provider

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all right
thank you for that i think you've

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given us enough to
chew on it's not the place to

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make that decision
all right hope you guys have any

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questions let me know

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all right so give me
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thanks morgan all right thank you guys
appreciate it

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so next uh let's let's move to the
lakefront property i know that's a

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timely concern
yep then it'll be short

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i think we talked about maybe having a
realtor come out there and praise it or

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you know give us some sort of value

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and you know depends on what the real
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here we've got some sort of assistancy
and some decent number

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because i
my fear is if we actually send these

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letters out we're going to get bids from
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because whenever municipalities are
selling money

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it's only worth 10 cents on a dollar
when we're buying it we're 10 times

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worth
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so that that's my request is if i can
put a minimum 30 000 bid on it

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what did we have down here one parcel or
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we have one parcel and it's point two
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a quarter of an acre a little more than
a quarter acre is it a

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maybe it was it was across the street
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two to property owners possibly
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yeah for the most part and then we've
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south and then some that are kind of
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i think if the
bids are where we would hope that they

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would be
council would give strongest

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consideration to the ones that are
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think there's six property owners that
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and that's that's not anything that's
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yeah there's not much shoreline at all
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but it would have not it would
potentially allow for a dot

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or some lawn chairs
i don't think you can build anything on

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would have a problem with
selling it to somebody

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thinking that we were selling it
you know maybe that for the people to

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access the lake because they had the
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and
somebody else came along and outfit them

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and actually
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on still practices with uh food trucks
and would like to see our

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regulations tighten down i think that's
uh certainly a worthy request that we

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should maybe look at them and see if
they do at least

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make the effort to see
are they where do we want them to be

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i think that's a reasonable request
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i would say any of the council that has
strong opinions on that could express it

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to scott the staff let them know
i think that's the route to go with that

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i think from just a safety point of
looking at that i think one of the nails

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i had would be make sure that
the uh the egress or the way to get food

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is not out
you know what i mean

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if they got a turn parker pose
parker posing i know it's it's the day

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the stone will be over that's a that's a
good good problem i think some people on

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and off the lake fisherman

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you know what especially when you get
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eastwork housing complex down there i
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it makes sense

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they can use the path from
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down to the eagles and that keeps them
off the street that's curved

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and then once they get up
if they're going south of eagles they're

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the streets not curved so it's not
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uh in that way i thought
one of the concerns that i had was

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coming off from the trail to get down to
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and i thought it was because of
the angle the curve that

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there was concern that they would
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the sidewalk
brian brian says that that's not an

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okay i think there's any opposition to
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amendment
next uh skate park uh state park i i've

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had
numerous individuals talk to me about

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wanting a skate park specifically at the
world tennis courts here i've got the

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professionals that design them and
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i think it's a wonderful spot they're
excited that it could be a real uh

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destination
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think would be a there's kids out there

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they're having fun

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and kids will be kids
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do it anymore then the next one will
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i'm not in favor of any more parks for
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resources or money to take care of the
parks that we have right now but you

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don't need anymore
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i realized it's flashband money-wise
it's use

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if you use it
you're taking the risks yourself like

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the sledding hill right
we're not responsible for a kid going

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down the hill breaking their arm unless
we know that there's an

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inherent danger
and we don't address it then we're

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liable yeah otherwise we're not

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i think it's looking at this i think a
committee or a group

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including some high school kids or
however i mean you were in contact with

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somebody i mean get a group together and
put their heads together presentation

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saying we want it
unless we see some sort of positive

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input from the community
i was just going to comment that we've

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dealt with skateboarders in a lot
because the downtown businesses were

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always always complaining that the kids
were using their curving or their flower

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boxes or whatever for their skate stunts
and so the city

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went with a temporary part
and we put it all the way out the far

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corner of the city but the kids still
made that trek all the way down there

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and even though it was a temporary park
it was they used just

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pre-fab steel structures they still are
in the same place they've never

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done more than that and it's still being
used

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and gives you guys a place to push it
hey

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you can't you guys can be at ealier or
wherever like you said we're at goodrich

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wrecking our bench and we know that's
happening and we'll replace matches

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because
guys go over here

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i would say not as much but
there's still crazy kids out there

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yeah i used more than tennis courts in
there

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right
the point of having parks is for public

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access if they're not if we put some
structure in there for them to use and

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people use it this whole point of having
a park system right

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my intent is not to kick anybody out but
when the when those properties are sold

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i don't want them selling to make
another

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non-retail
business

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you know i want i want
availability for mom and pop they want

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to put a candle shop in what they want
to put

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whatever i mean
i want the i want the downtown to be

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open i want it to be
vibrant and selling stuff you know what

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i want that i don't want to see
a corner lot taken up by an insurance

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agency
is there anything either ordinance or

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uh through
uh

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complaining essentially i can't think of
the word

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zoning
i mean is there anything we can do to to

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make sure that that gets done i mean i
don't know

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yeah let me look at the ordinance that
we have is that one of them

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let me look at that and i'll bring that
back next yeah

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cause that's what that's
i want

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that's that's fine i don't have an issue
with that but the main drag on tip when

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you drive downtown

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i guess the only
the only drawback i'd see with that even

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for the next budget to just
watch it for some fencing down there

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found out how big ryan griego pitkin
drug i think most of you know me

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a couple things came up coming out i
agree with you on

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retail and what dick
said is also true if you have a building

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i'd love to see retail on the first
floor but if the building's sitting

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empty for a year you can't get anybody
in there you got to get what you got to

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get you know um so i agree with you i'd
love to see it but

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unfortunately it's not always
plausible yeah if we got one right now

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in the old
kobe place building across the street

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from us that that's for rent right now i
don't i think i don't know

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we're
scott geiger used to be

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um secondly
um secondly

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all right
anyone else got anything they want to

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add
to talk about

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well let's adjourn for
next week

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b

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that's the first time i've ever seen him
lit up yeah

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i didn't even know there was a light up
there i did not yeah either i just saw

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that give it to the tech guys
yeah

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and you're blinking dick yeah
chica was blanking yeah

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00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:24,880
well
i guess for the sake of everyone

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when you talk
speak up

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okay

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so is that something we want to
do after the

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adoption or
prior to

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that's part of
okay

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you just remove that okay number three
it's four twenty seven hundred seventy

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eight dollars for
breaks ball joints and alignment

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how old of a vehicle are we putting this
kind of money into

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i think that's actually
a 2017 ford pickup from dpw

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i thought it was listed under a police
department

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two to a six

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they're accounted

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because
i will get

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the stack of all the bills

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i'll have to sign one or two ryerson's
at forty six thousand nine seventeen

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uh double l at fifty two thousand two
sixty five actually we got the

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impression that carmix didn't really
wanna talk about it so

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it's uh not to exceed at 46 917. good
and i might have mentioned the council

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my cousin just built a house uh on on a
lake and he had one put in because he

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had high water table issues in his
basement

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and i tell you that thing worked like a
gem and it just it flowed real nice back

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out the lake

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good
thank you

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all right

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for the comments there uh
keith um

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one quick thing the buffer strip on
benson have you made any

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00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:47,120
contacts with any of those people yet i
have not as yet but the ldfa board said

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go ahead and make
the offer can we hold on making those

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contacts till jeff
represents the finance session

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well it is actually owned by the ldfa so
it's really their property to dispose of

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if there's good reason to go back to
ldfa in october then we could do that

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it's not something that
it was still just solid it's still on

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the same premise it would just be a
different idea versus

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um
we can fold off on that because your

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next work session is going to be in
september ldap meets in october

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i don't think any because there's one
business that is

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you know busking at the same so to speak
but at this point in time they're not

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going to be doing a lot as
you know if we do move forward with the

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sale
finalize it

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the winner is going to be on top of us

342
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no because that's one of the uh
temporary permanent outdoor seating

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areas that you have authorized
okay

344
00:28:55,279 --> 00:29:01,520
sean
oh i just want to

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say i had a pretty good time a few days
back with our um

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albeit belated fireworks it was still a
very good show

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00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:15,360
uh i had a good time with the um
the pub pedal in in town two seemed to

348
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,880
be very well attended
and was it was a great day for it

349
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,640
okay
scott

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00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,840
oh here i go get to make some friends
again

351
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:38,159
first thing is
the slocum street zigzag

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park whatever it is called

353
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,880
unless something's been done with it in
the last day

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00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:48,320
is
an embarrassment to the city

355
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:52,640
uh you can't even walk down it without
ducking

356
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:57,600
i mean this stuff has grown
from one side to the other side over top

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and
i mean it's just terrible

358
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:07,120
uh
the next thing that relates to the same

359
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:11,440
thing is you know coming into our city
on colby

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00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:15,840
you come down to the bottom of the hill
and you're greeted by

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00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:22,559
weeds growing under and over the guard
rails then you got

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00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,120
two houses there with very unkept lawns
and then you got an empty strip mall

363
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,559
that's got
three foot high weeds

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00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,640
growing in
all their stones out by the road

365
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:37,600
and you probably have at least eight or
ten election cut signs sitting there

366
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that are uh ordinance violation as far
as i'm concerned

367
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:44,480
and then you got a motel that used to be
very well kept that isn't well kept

368
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:48,000
anymore
i just

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00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:51,760
don't see where our city is very
welcome looking when you

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00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,200
come into it
and then

371
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:59,120
once you or somebody just said so i
think i just got missed one picnic table

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00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:02,840
will probably suffice
um i'm glad to see in the tifa notes

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00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,799
at
ldfa that they're looking at clock

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00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:11,360
repairs or replacement
also looking at the fire pit activation

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00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:15,760
button i think that's a great thing um
definitely like i said lottington has

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00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:20,720
one on theirs um i took a picture of it
just a button it says push here so i

377
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,720
tried to get a company name off that
wasn't there

378
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:30,559
and i think that's it
yeah that's it okay

379
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:37,200
last week i spent a couple of days in
cadillac as far as the

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00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:37,200
the michigan association of mayor's

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00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,840
not a real conference but a workshop and
it was

382
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:49,440
very enlightening and to
listen to

383
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:53,200
the subjects that they brought up
it was great talking with other mayors

384
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:57,200
and finding out you know what their
problems are pretty much

385
00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:00,640
their problems are the same as ours just
bigger city bigger problems the same

386
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:05,279
nature but
we're still

387
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:09,279
pretty uh well off compared to a lot of
them i heard a lot of great comments

388
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,840
about whitehall
and

389
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,840
i was
very happy to be there and represent our

390
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,840
city

391
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,600
it was a
a good time

392
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:25,519
sorry i missed it the community picnic i
i was up there for that i always enjoyed

393
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:28,399
that community picnic because it is such
a wonderful thing to see the community

394
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,240
out and the kids
down at goodrich park having a great

395
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,240
time

396
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:38,559
all right with that we have a public
comment next anyone wishing to speak

397
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:42,399
please come up to the podium give your
name and address and you have three

398
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,799
minutes to
comment

399
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,440
i
see no one i

400
00:32:52,799 --> 00:33:01,120
say we move on to old business scott do
we have any old business

401
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:08,080
okay new business
we have resolution

402
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,080
2241 right-of-way easements

403
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,440
i'll move to
accept

404
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:20,159
the resolution 22 80 22 41
right away

405
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:23,159
second consecutive any discussion
questions

406
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,519
uh

407
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:49,360
yeah okay so what is the corner down
here with the

408
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:53,519
lines in the corner
that that's the area that we're looking

409
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:58,640
to obtain
an official easement

410
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:02,640
jennifer grow owns the property at that
corner

411
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,640
and basically

412
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:10,000
in order to make the curb radius
adequate we need to get an easement for

413
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,679
that little
30 by

414
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,960
40 foot strip of property so it's going
to be curved

415
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,040
uh
probably not that that just is going to

416
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:25,280
be within the road right away
and it's actually

417
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:31,000
part of the asphalt's there now
so we're going to

418
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:31,000
officially have it

419
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,720
pretty easy to figure out

420
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,720
anyone else

421
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,839
all right
removing moving second roll call please

422
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:54,720
yes
yes

423
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:59,040
yes
yes

424
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:03,200
yes brown yes
yes

425
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:08,400
resolution 2241 is approved next is
resolution 2242 lot split request

426
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,800
i'll move to approve the lot split
request

427
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,640
and moved in second any questions
comments yeah

428
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:28,800
yes sir don't forget to get it on the
board for you yeah

429
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:31,800
let's this one's about me
totally

430
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,800
i can't figure this out

431
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:44,400
okay the the
4.5 the larger piece

432
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:49,119
um to the north is currently where brad
and erica van bergen live

433
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:52,800
the maroon
colored house

434
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:58,800
the property to the south
is owned by 56 nash it's a rental

435
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:03,280
property that's got a pole barn on it
what they would like to do is add a lean

436
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:08,640
tube to the north side of that pole barn
but as you can see it's listed as a

437
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,640
garage in that small area

438
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,720
and they want to build the lean to to
the north which would obviously be on

439
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:22,880
the van buren's property so they're
looking to have a lot split and purchase

440
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:26,640
basically that 25 foot wide by 203 foot
strip between the two

441
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:44,880
so that 56 nash can purchase it okay and
i was looking at their address

442
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:49,920
and wanting to split and i thought that
lots only 100 by 200 it's not big enough

443
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:55,599
correct
that's the one with the garage on it

444
00:36:51,599 --> 00:37:01,359
yeah it's but it's being added to
so this uh from what i'm gathering

445
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:01,359
though this is another uh

446
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,400
we're looking for forgiveness
forgiveness instead of uh

447
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,680
that was my question well
yeah

448
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,320
yeah
um because they actually came in and

449
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:19,280
brooke brought back the uh the title
work

450
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:25,040
because we we sent that through
equalization and i said wait a minute so

451
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:30,720
we got a hold of two of the parties
that are owners of 56 nash

452
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:36,400
and what they had brought in to city
hall back in june

453
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:40,480
was some of this paperwork but also the
building permits

454
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,920
and they handed it to staff and staff
saw that it was a building permit so

455
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:47,440
they put that in brian's box
because that's where the building

456
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,640
permits go so it went south
and they were working on the building

457
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,880
permit and also
you know

458
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,440
kind of questioning whether or not they
had a zoning approval

459
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,800
but we didn't catch us in time to put it
on the august planning commission

460
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,400
meeting
so

461
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:08,960
that's a more of an explanation
it is not um

462
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,880
yeah the acquisition of the property is
kind of an issue mainly for

463
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:17,760
the property owners
but it is not

464
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:23,440
um really a violation of our ordinances
because it's your responsibility

465
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:26,160
to do to approve lots please
we

466
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:30,560
have the option we have the option to
send it to planning commission for

467
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:35,119
review and recommendation our sop has
always been just to start with playing

468
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:39,599
right right you still have the right to
send it back to planning accept or

469
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,599
reject

470
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:48,400
do our ordinances say anything about
what you can

471
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:51,119
put under a lien to
uh

472
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:57,280
no
is the lean too enclosed or is it open i

473
00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:01,280
i think it's just uh it's just a roof
coming off i haven't seen the site well

474
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:04,560
they gave me a site plan but no
construction documents that was another

475
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,599
thing that threw us off with the
building permit

476
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,760
but my understanding is it's just going
to be a roof opened on three sides the

477
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:17,599
fourth side would be the edge the side
of the garage that's my understanding

478
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,599
now this is the same

479
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:25,200
garage that's a pole building that
we approved

480
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:29,760
in addition on to the front of it
probably three years

481
00:39:26,839 --> 00:39:34,960
ago and
i specifically remember

482
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:37,680
that it was said at that time that the
front

483
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:42,880
of the
pole barn was supposed to be made to

484
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:48,480
look like the house which has never been
done as far as i'm concerned

485
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,480
that was approved by the city manager

486
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,720
well
i think we also

487
00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:01,760
at that time
required some sort of

488
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,760
pavement

489
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:12,560
and approach on the garage
and this would actually

490
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:17,599
well i think the concern was um
well part of it was that part of that

491
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:21,040
gravel driveway was encroaching on the
property to the north

492
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:25,920
with this last split in the acquisition
then that would kind of negate that but

493
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:29,599
i would have to go back and double check
on

494
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:35,040
the apron requirement i thought there
was some specific apron requirement that

495
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,359
hasn't been met but
that

496
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:43,119
would be something for you to check on
but yeah as if there's any outstanding

497
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:46,800
issues as part of the new site right
this would be the time to to look at all

498
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,240
of it
make sure everything complies

499
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:58,480
so what's the uh council's uh
so once this i mean essentially we're

500
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:02,640
just doing the lot split now once we get
to that point

501
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:07,119
the rest of it will go to planning right
well not as a residential um if this is

502
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:12,160
approved they will have to come and get
a site plan okay as a residential that's

503
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:15,440
approved by the zoning administrator
okay once that's approved then they have

504
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:21,200
to go to building to get the building
permits okay

505
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:26,960
so two more steps okay
so as far as just the last split

506
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:32,079
i guess i don't see a problem with that
now that i know

507
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,079
what we're looking at here

508
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:37,920
yeah sure anyone else like to weigh in
on that

509
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,800
or just want to
push it to the roll call

510
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,359
apparently not so we'll
move forward with a roll call please

511
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,200
uh yes
yes

512
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:03,440
yes
yes

513
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:09,440
connell yes brown no
sultan yes

514
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:13,040
resolution 2242 lot split request is
approved

515
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:19,200
we next have public comment again
anyone wishing to speak to the council

516
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,200
please step to the podium

517
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:30,400
obviously nothing okay
next is a closed session to discuss

518
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:36,240
acquisition of real property i move we
go into closed session to discuss the

519
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,240
acquisition of a real property

520
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,520
please
yes

521
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,359
yes
all right we're closed session we ask

522
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,880
all the
none

523
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,880
requirement