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I would like to call the meeting of the Landmarks Commission on September 2nd at

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6:00 PM to order. Lana, please do roll call.

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Pat Blackburn.

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Present.

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Penny Alwin.

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Present.

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Jordan Riley.

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Present.

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Kelsey Riley.

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Present.

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Warren Artsmith.

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Present.

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And we have three guests this evening.

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Would you please note that? Kevin Boehm.

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Boehm?

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Boehm. I'm sorry.

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Sorry.

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Just checking on your sight.

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Greg Alder, and I'm sorry, I do not know who you are.

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Max Marty.

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Royal Marty.

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Thank you very much.

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May I have approval of this evening's agenda? So a motion to do so?

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So moved.

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Second.

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It's been moved by Artsmith and seconded by Jordan Riley that we approve this

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evening's agenda. Is there any discussion? Yes.

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I would like to move Kevin forward, if we may do that.

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Kevin, would that be a problem for you?

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I'm fine.

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You would-

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Yeah, it doesn't matter. I can stay, I can move, whatever you want.

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No,

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whatever you want. I know you're a busy man.

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So would it be helpful if we moved you forward above Greg's presentation?

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Sure.

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Okay.

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With that in mind...

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Accept that amendment?

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Yes, a motion to accept as amended. Yes.

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Good.

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All right. All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion is carried.

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We need to have approval of our minutes from our July meeting.

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Consented agenda.

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I'm sorry, I missed that. Items on the consented agenda were grouped together

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unless any committee member requests an item be moved.

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Approval of June 3rd 2026 minutes.

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It's July 2nd, 2026. I think you're on the first page of the minutes from last

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year.

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You're right.

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It's been a long time.

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100%. I've been off it yesterday.

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Yes. Okay. Approval of July 2nd, 2026 minutes.

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So moved.

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Second.

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It's been moved by Artsmith and seconded by Jordan Riley that we approve the

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minutes of July 2nd, 2026. So I apologize for the

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error. Any discussion?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion is carried. No formal committee action will be taken during this

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committee meeting, although issues raised may become a part of a future agenda.

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Participants are allotted a three-minute speaking period.

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Specific items listed on the agenda may not be discussed at this time.

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However, citizens are invited to speak to those specific issues at the time the

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committee discusses that particular item.

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We have no one coming in online?

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Nobody online.

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Then we will move ahead. This is the evening for the public

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hearing and review of the designation of the Stone Stable, which is located

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across the street,

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as a local landmark.

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Are there any objections to this

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designation?

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Not here.

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Not here.

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And the reason-

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Yes.

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What's the benefit of doing it? So reading through all of the documentation in

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the packet, there's no

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solid statement of, "This is why we should do this."

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This is why we should do this, because it is one of the first, actually if we look

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at it, industrial kinds of activities that we have had in the

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county or in the inner city, and that was specifically at one time a stable.

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Further investigation done by Carol Carbides said it possibly could've been a

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cooperage for barrel manufacture.

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So I think it's significant that we-

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Right, but what's the benefit of designating it as a landmark?

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The benefit is that we hope to preserve it for a long, long time.

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Okay.

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The preservation of it, actually, Kevin.

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That it can't be again dismantled and moved without authorization.

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Hopefully it will not. It's certainly on the campus with the depot, and the

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Whitewater Historical Society is responsible.

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No, I get all that, I just in the packet there's really no-

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Okay. Does so?

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No selling of why to designate. You put

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Carol's article in there-

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Right

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... about the history and all that, no big deal. What are the benefits of why?

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Well, we thought that if people read the history and understood it, that that in

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itself would be a benefit. So-

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I guess then what are benefits that have been involved anyhow in that, so

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that same question might be answered, any one of them I think probably will be

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answered for all of them.

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Okay.

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That's it? Okay. Lana, did you get any correspondence last week?

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We got no correspondence regarding either way, one way or the other.

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Good.

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Nothing.

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Nothing?

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We got nothing.

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Okay.

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Then I would need a motion to approve this as a local landmark.

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So moved.

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Second.

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It's been moved by Alwin and seconded by Artsmith that the Stone Stable

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be designated as a local landmark.

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All in favor?

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This has to be a roll call vote.

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Oops, excuse me. First discussion. We've had some discussion.

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Roll call vote.

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Go right ahead.

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Alwin?

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Yes.

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Kelsey Riley.

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Yes.

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Jordan Riley.

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Yes.

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Artsmith.

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Aye.

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Blackburn.

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Yes, aye.

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The Stone Stable then has been designated as a local landmark as of

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today, which is September 3rd, 2026.

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It will go on record as being our 29th local landmark.

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Review and discussion, and we will move right on to considerations and discussions

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and reports. Review and discuss the Effigy Mounds signage. Kevin?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Right ahead. Did you want to-

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I had no involvement in any of this. I'm just here at your requesting.

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Okay. Penny, I think that you were the one that-

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Right

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... was particularly interested in all of this.

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So if you would like to take the floor, please do.

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Yeah, thank you very much for bringing it up.

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I kind of wanted an opportunity to take a look at that signage that we already

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have. Just wanted to get a fair understanding, I think, what some of the history

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has been in terms of possibly putting something up there, what some of the

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issues that occurred that we ran into over time.

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I still am very interested in being able to put something up there.

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I just see the Effigy Mounds as having the possibility to be a much greater

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contribution in terms of understanding our history, bringing that history to life

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for people in the community, as well as maybe being able to bring others in to take

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a look at it, because other communities who have these similar kinds of mounds

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certainly I think have optimized what it means to have tourists, you

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might say, people who are interested, come in and take use of it.

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And I feel very badly that that isn't what's happening with ours.

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And I think we made some excellent progress in the last year or two, just since

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I've kind of begun to be involved and know about things in terms of the

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maintenance, the physical maintenance of it. We've made some strides in that.

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I think that's a good thing. I want to see that happen, and I appreciate what Kevin

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has done on behalf of that. But I am still looking at what can we do

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further besides that part of it, look at the educational aspect of it, which is

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very much

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part of what the Historical Society and the Landmark Commission are involved in.

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We have these. Karen knows about the cost. Okay?

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What might be involved in being able to use them.

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And I guess I'd just really like to hear what you think about that tonight, and

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what are the pros and cons, and where do we go from here if we do want to do

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something?

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Where do you go from here

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in regards to this thing is listed in this resolution.

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You would provide in writing to me what your desires are.

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And not just your desires, but how it's going to happen.

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And then I would take that and put it on the next park board agenda, and then the

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park board would discuss it and make

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decisions.

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If you aren't happy with those decisions, there is a

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coordination mechanism where there's a

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list of people that would then

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break into a smaller committee to make the final decision.

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As far as my thoughts on the signs, I think the signs are great.

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I think they're very antiquated. We don't do stuff like that anymore.

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We use interpretive signs, like the one that is missing up at the water tower.

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They are much better, and more... You can design

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them to offer more useful and modern

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information and imagery and stuff like that.

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When we met out with Jamie, what was her last name?

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Weigel.

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Weigel. She brought in all these specialists from the DNR and other state

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agencies. The DNR representative that oversees the mounds in the state, as

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well as some representatives from the Ho-Chunk Nation, and they do not recommend

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doing anything like this.

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So...

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May I ask a question?

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Yes, absolutely.

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Was Jamie Weigel aware of the fact that we have these?

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I don't think-

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I don't know what she was aware of and what she wasn't aware of, but we did have

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discussion, and at that moment, she was aware that we owned these

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and the overall desire to mount them on the boulders and

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place them at the mounds and stuff like that, and

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why the DNR and the Ho-Chunk don't want them.

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So technically right now, there's signs on the mounds that we put in

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15 years ago.

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Yeah. Right.

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We can't even take them out if we wanted.

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No, you can't. They've been there a long time.

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So, they don't want signage. They would rather have the signage

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towards the entrance of the park than individual signage on the mounds.

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Well,

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again, the signage would not be placed directly on the mounds.

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So my recommendation is to put it in writing, provide it to me, and we'll take it

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to the park board.

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What I'm trying to understand, though, is that I know the proposals that go into

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you are supposed to say, are supposed to contain, what it would look like, what it

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would say, so on and so forth.

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Yep.

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And what I hear you say is that that's not going to be acceptable.

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I will make the recommendation, and I have the DNR contact information, that we

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follow what the recommendations are of people that are more knowledgeable on the

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site and the

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desires of the people that represent the people that are buried there.

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I understand that, but you're saying that the Ho-Chunk are saying nothing.

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And what I think what we're saying is kind of what you alluded to, rather than

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actually placing something in front of or close by each of the mounds, that it be

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signage that, kind of like what Yellowline, you come in and kind of have a diagram-

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... that kind of a thing. What you prefer.

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But that sign, again, needs to be updated.

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Everything's so antiquated.

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Right.

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I lived on a piece of property. I had a mound literally within 20 feet of my door,

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and there was a brass, bronze plaque on it.

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The Ho-Chunk weren't

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overseers of that mound. It was a tribe out of Minnesota.

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I can't think of the names, but they actually came in and removed it.

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Okay.

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And it wasn't on the mound, it was near it.

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And I think it's

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not that you don't want people to go and appreciate.

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There's something, if you haven't been out there, there's something so serene about

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that run.

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I don't think it's that they don't want people to

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be aware of all that. I think they just don't want the... It's a cemetery.

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They want the respect of

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people that are there. And so their recommendation was, like I said, the sign as

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you come into the property.

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I think interpretive signs,

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when they came out probably in the mid-'90s, were amazing, but the quality and what

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you can do with them now is just phenomenal.

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If you go over to the arboretum, we have one in a giant oak.

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You can do so much with them and...

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No, I don't disagree with what you're saying, it's serene.

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But let me just talk about it from the point of an educator for a minute.

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If I'm a fourth grade teacher, that a long time ago, and you

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have Wisconsin history, and you have a resource like that here in the community,

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and you say, "Wow, what a great field trip for the kids." Okay?

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You take them there, and you kind of walk around, and

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it's very hard to make that meaningful for students, I would think, and even for

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older people like me. When you go in there, part of it has to do with the way

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that you have been working to kind of accommodate making it more manageable in

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terms of vegetation and so on, age old what they are.

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If we can add to that, I know you're continuing to work on that, but if we can add

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to that with something that involves making it more amenable to use,

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to practical use, I guess educational use, which is where we sort of come from.

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That to me would be a positive, and I'm certainly willing to explore that with you

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about what you do. I do have to take a little bit of,

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not umbrage, but just a little bit of taking a step back from the Ho-Chunk

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viewpoint. I appreciate it.

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I've worked with them off and on, including teaching on the reservation and

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everything for a number of years. Kind of acquainted with what it is that they want

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and are concerned about, and I appreciate that.

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But I also think that there has to be something a little bit realistic about what

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it is, since it is an artifact or provenance of care to be taken care of, and

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seeing that it is useful and productive, taking more care to

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maintain that sacredness, I guess, that we're talking about.

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It shouldn't preclude us from doing something that is positive.

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So I'd be very happy to put that-

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Do we have boulders or plaques over at the cemetery over here with who's buried

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there?

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Pardon me?

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Do we have boulders and plaques with the cemetery over here with who's buried

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there?

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No. We sure got a lot of history.

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But that's their property.

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That's right.

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Right, that's the person that's in the ground, that's their choice.

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I'm not sure that the comparison is apples to apples, but I understand what you're

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saying.

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No, but it is a sacred, it is a burial ground.

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It is sacred to the people that are caretakers.

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These are not Ho-Chunk people that are buried there.

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But the caretakers are actually... They're there. Spirit is there.

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But you take care of them. We take care of them. The city takes care of them.

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The historical society. We are involved in it as well.

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And I think we do therefore have some kind of say so.

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Well, then put it in writing and we'll take it to the park board and you guys can

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talk it all out.

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Happy to do that.

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Yep.

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Thank you.

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That will be your assignment then?

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Yeah.

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All righty.

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Any other further discussion regarding the signage at the Peppertree Gardens

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Reserve? Hearing none, then we will move on.

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Greg, you are ready. Now, what about Flatiron Park?

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We switch three and four?

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We

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switch. Kevin's also here for five.

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So put Kevin in front of three. We'll put four, five, three, would be the order.

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Oh, I just assumed that we would go ahead with Greg.

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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Yep. They know the procedure for the rest of it. They don't know what we...

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That's fine.

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Okay. Since Greg is the visitor.

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That's fine.

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Greg, you ready?

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Should I come up here?

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Wherever you're comfortable.

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I want to thank the board and commission for putting me on the agenda.

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And I see you've got a bunch of items, so I'll try not to go too long.

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You've gotten the slideshow.

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And what that is, I'm pretty substantially going to do a repair and a rebuild on my

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front porch. And at this point, I have difficulties with city code enforcement.

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I've run through three deadlines.

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The last one was mid August, and they informed me that normally you

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don't get one beyond the third one, though

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Kathy Smeltzer said they were going to come down and take some more photographs,

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and they might consider another extension. I haven't heard back from them yet.

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Why I wanted to come to you is my expectation that I'm not going to get enough

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time. This is going to go into next year.

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We're not going to get this done this year.

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And if I don't get the extension that I think I need, I'm going to appeal it to the

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city council. If I do, I don't believe that the commission can take an

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official position on this, but if one or more of you might want to put in a good

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word in a written letter if I have to appeal to the city council, I would sincerely

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appreciate that. That's why I wanted to talk to you tonight.

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The slideshow,

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get to that in just a moment. I also want to make a point that I'm going to make

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some concessions on the lateness.

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They have graduated steps on it if you

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miss deadlines. First fine is $75, then 200, the third is 400.

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And I would concede to paying a $400 late fee in exchange for a reasonable

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completion date of next year. I haven't made that position to Kathy Smeltzer yet,

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but I'd be willing to do that as a compromise.

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And I've also

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last month sent the city a check for $75 for a reinspection fee.

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If I could just tell you a couple of things about who I am.

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My name is Greg Bell, and you've seen the house.

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As of December, I have owned that house for 50 years.

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I've been on the board of directors of the Historical Society for 45 years, though

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the first 25 years, we very rarely met.

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As of this November, I've been treasurer of the Historical Society for 40 years.

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I was a permanent part-time employee of the Goldberg & Company for 37 years, and

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I served 16 years on the Landlord Commission.

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I was the first replacement member back in '83.

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I served '83 to

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1990, and '96 to 2005. Back in '83, I was here up the

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hallway running everything. So if you would

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like, we could quickly go to the slideshow.

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The point I want to make-

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They have it all in their packets

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... Yeah, it's all here, so we don't-- Right.

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The point I want to make essentially is that

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it's my opinion, what we're doing here is pretty worthwhile, but we need some time.

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And additionally, there's two issues I've had with code enforcement.

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One involved painting of areas, and the other is there's two large braces.

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Go to number 29 here.

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There's two large braces that are holding up the porch because we have it all

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bisected and taken apart. The painting is finished.

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We finished all the painting

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most of the last year. You've got photos of that, and a little bit

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down here, we just finished that a couple of months ago. The painting is finished.

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The only issue the city has with me is these two braces, and

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honestly, you can't see them from the street.

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Drive by there, and if you walk by, find the right place between my bio box

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and peer up there. Oh, yeah, there they are.

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My house, because of

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when it was built, it sits further back from the street than all the other houses

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except for the Steer mansion. And so that makes this even more inconspicuous.

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The photos in general just show what we've been doing.

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Just to give you an idea,

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this is the one.

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You might have wondered.

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Well, for example,

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here

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on number 47,

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that's crown molding up under the south.

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See 47 and then 46. That's crown molding

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taken out of existing crown molding,

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rip it down, recut it, and reuse it, the original crown molding on the house.

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Your normal roofer and stuff is thrown out, so you never see it again.

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You look at

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these photos here, 24 and 25, that's painting the gables back

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in '05.

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My helper

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in '16.

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Yeah, my helper in 2016 still works for me. That's 20 years ago.

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Okay. If you wonder why

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28, what those beams are there for.

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Slow it down here, please.

411
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:22,200
Yes, it is. The original posts.

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There was only two survived when the prior owners tore the porch

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off.

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You can see the sort of work they used to do to repair this thing.

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How these have been cut out, spliced in, and they even got a bevel there.

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Yeah.

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Porch.

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When I bought the house,

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this is two months, this is number 22. It's two months after I bought the house.

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The prior owner had torn the porch off, and then they

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changed their mind about the whole project, put the house up for sale.

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If you want to pass this around, this one got left out.

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A real good photo also taken February of...

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How many years have you been now rebuilding the porch?

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Or the-

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The porch? Two years since I got the notice from the city.

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I will confess I had neglected the front porch because I never used it.

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I had other projects done.

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I got the notice from the city, and really, they were right.

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It was time to get going on that. And we've been working on it pretty steadily for

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two years.

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Some of these photos

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Here,

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number 45.

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That's prior to painting the gable.

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And you see we go,

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we not only just go down to the wood, we sand it, and the original wood's retained.

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You can see that also in 44.

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I don't know if there's anything in the slideshow

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photos there that you want to ask questions about.

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As I say, I don't expect that the commission can take a position on this, but I

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would like all you to be aware of it.

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And if necessary, maybe I can get a good word from somebody if I have to make a

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presentation to city council.

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So, any questions?

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I'm really in opposite. Can you just explain what the deadlines were and what

447
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they're-

448
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Excuse me?

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Can you just explain what the deadlines were and why they were missed, or how they

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were missed, or what happened?

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They were missed because

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we weren't able to get work done by that time.

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So what work were you being told to do? Was the porch safe or...

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Well, as far as I... They want the braces out.

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We can't take the braces out until we rebuild these here.

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The painting.

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I see all the pictures. Like-

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Yeah

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... your footings and your foundation here.

460
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I just-

461
00:28:43,764 --> 00:28:44,529
Yeah, the foundation-

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What were they telling you you had to do and didn't?

463
00:28:46,838 --> 00:28:50,694
Well, they have two issues. The two issues were painting and the braces.

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The painting's been completed. What's going to slow things down yet, well, first

465
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the floor's got to go in. But-

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Are there additional or different types of bracing that you could use instead of

467
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the jacks out in front of the house?

468
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Yeah.

469
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Could you put in a pier or something to

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support the-

471
00:29:12,084 --> 00:29:13,855
Well, this supports it very well.

472
00:29:14,514 --> 00:29:18,384
I know, but it's an appearance thing. It's probably why you're getting the zoning.

473
00:29:19,344 --> 00:29:23,079
I've thought about putting a lot of fancy lattice work on it and calling it

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regular. I've got regulars all around the neighborhood, the other neighbors have

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them.

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I-

477
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We could try to claim that that was what it was.

478
00:29:32,064 --> 00:29:33,159
But I don't think zoning would go.

479
00:29:33,324 --> 00:29:34,554
No, I don't think they would either.

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Repair the porch and remove temporary bracing.

481
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Ensure all parts of the home are structurally sound and free from deterioration.

482
00:29:43,944 --> 00:29:48,624
It's rebuilding, looking at 53, four, and five.

483
00:29:49,554 --> 00:29:50,844
Now, these are original

484
00:29:54,355 --> 00:29:59,904
railing assemblies that came with the house when it was built in 1889, and they

485
00:29:59,934 --> 00:30:04,374
would've been part of a trim package deal. The builder, P.

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00:30:04,554 --> 00:30:07,824
Marshall, they would've gone down to the railroad yard and got this trim package

487
00:30:08,215 --> 00:30:09,053
and put it in.

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00:30:11,694 --> 00:30:12,204
They need

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00:30:13,465 --> 00:30:15,279
work, but it's nothing that we can't handle.

490
00:30:15,969 --> 00:30:20,933
And, once they're done, then we install them, and the braces can come out.

491
00:30:22,105 --> 00:30:25,944
There's no doubt you're doing quality work on this. It's fantastic.

492
00:30:25,975 --> 00:30:26,634
Well, thank you.

493
00:30:28,764 --> 00:30:31,374
From someone in the construction background,

494
00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:38,034
it's very nice. What can you do to meet the zoning requirements?

495
00:30:38,215 --> 00:30:40,074
I'll pay the fines if I have to.

496
00:30:40,674 --> 00:30:46,029
But could you install, instead of the temporary bracing, could you put something in

497
00:30:46,074 --> 00:30:48,144
there, some posts?

498
00:30:48,534 --> 00:30:51,054
It went to citation as of this afternoon.

499
00:30:51,564 --> 00:30:51,804
Okay.

500
00:30:52,105 --> 00:30:57,174
It's going to municipal court.

501
00:30:57,264 --> 00:30:58,554
And I haven't been informed yet?

502
00:30:59,154 --> 00:31:02,004
No, they were working on it today.

503
00:31:03,624 --> 00:31:08,784
It's going to court. Once you miss the third deadline, that's where it goes.

504
00:31:08,814 --> 00:31:09,894
It goes to municipal court.

505
00:31:10,644 --> 00:31:12,924
And so then, I pay the fine.

506
00:31:16,704 --> 00:31:17,124
Yeah.

507
00:31:17,215 --> 00:31:17,350
Yeah.

508
00:31:18,204 --> 00:31:21,324
It's a citation in front of Judge Nelson.

509
00:31:23,394 --> 00:31:24,953
But what I'm saying is instead of...

510
00:31:26,394 --> 00:31:31,074
You have this porch that is a project in itself, but then you have multiple

511
00:31:31,134 --> 00:31:35,665
components of this project. Could you put something in to meet the zoning

512
00:31:35,694 --> 00:31:41,544
requirements and then work on the sub-projects? You know what I'm saying? So...

513
00:31:43,465 --> 00:31:47,154
I suppose floor is going in next. We'd

514
00:31:48,715 --> 00:31:51,234
have something to brace down through.

515
00:31:51,264 --> 00:31:54,834
It looks like you have a really good foundation on the-

516
00:31:55,584 --> 00:31:56,004
Original

517
00:31:56,064 --> 00:32:01,794
... porch itself. Throwing some four by four or six by six posts

518
00:32:01,824 --> 00:32:07,314
in, and then working on, okay, you got five of these posts in,

519
00:32:07,734 --> 00:32:10,794
then you could work on replacing the one to the historic

520
00:32:12,624 --> 00:32:13,855
part of the house. You know what I'm saying?

521
00:32:13,944 --> 00:32:17,965
And then work on that railing, and then move to the next post and work on that

522
00:32:18,024 --> 00:32:21,324
railing. At least then you have the structure supported.

523
00:32:21,908 --> 00:32:21,908
Yeah.

524
00:32:21,924 --> 00:32:24,459
And then you can take that temporary bracing off.

525
00:32:24,459 --> 00:32:25,434
Well, right.

526
00:32:25,495 --> 00:32:30,834
And probably get a little bit of courtesy from zoning

527
00:32:31,344 --> 00:32:33,804
as far as their courtesy allows them to go.

528
00:32:36,984 --> 00:32:40,824
I'll have to see what the claim structure is.

529
00:32:41,154 --> 00:32:42,834
I made the appointment for next Wednesday.

530
00:32:43,764 --> 00:32:47,124
Greg. Excuse me. How long have you been working on this project?

531
00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:49,374
This? Two years.

532
00:32:49,434 --> 00:32:53,605
Two years. And are you working on it persistently on a daily basis?

533
00:32:53,694 --> 00:32:55,284
Oh, my helper,

534
00:32:56,544 --> 00:33:02,424
he works for JGB as a tech, and he works for them five days every two weeks, and he

535
00:33:02,454 --> 00:33:04,629
works with me two days every five week.

536
00:33:05,064 --> 00:33:08,484
So we're out there five days every two weeks.

537
00:33:08,995 --> 00:33:13,524
Yeah, there's the lawn to be mowed, there's garden work.

538
00:33:15,924 --> 00:33:19,794
Right. So it's the porch that's the issue.

539
00:33:19,915 --> 00:33:24,774
As long as I have an audience here, I've been here to the city for 50 years, coming

540
00:33:24,834 --> 00:33:30,084
this in September. For 47 years, I've never had any issues with the city, and we

541
00:33:30,174 --> 00:33:34,584
have oftentimes had ladders and scaffolding up for quite a while.

542
00:33:35,694 --> 00:33:39,654
I don't know what has changed now that everyone has become such a stickler for the

543
00:33:39,715 --> 00:33:44,874
rules. Especially, you can't see the braces.

544
00:33:45,263 --> 00:33:45,564
Just

545
00:33:46,884 --> 00:33:50,980
look by and you'll see. I just can't understand why they're so upset about them.

546
00:33:51,264 --> 00:33:52,465
Have there been complaints?

547
00:33:53,394 --> 00:33:56,184
I'm not playing fully by their guidelines, I guess.

548
00:33:56,605 --> 00:33:58,674
Have there been complaints from people?

549
00:33:59,364 --> 00:34:00,654
From my neighbors?

550
00:34:00,684 --> 00:34:02,394
From anybody about the braces.

551
00:34:02,424 --> 00:34:08,304
In the last couple of years, with the hiring of the contractor

552
00:34:08,424 --> 00:34:13,284
to enforce our zoning ordinances, they enforce our zoning ordinances.

553
00:34:13,794 --> 00:34:15,939
That is their job. That is what they get paid to do.

554
00:34:15,939 --> 00:34:18,654
They're going out to look for things to justify their employment.

555
00:34:18,954 --> 00:34:23,665
No, they're going out to look for things that are in violation of city ordinances.

556
00:34:23,694 --> 00:34:24,129
Yeah, well.

557
00:34:24,594 --> 00:34:28,554
City spokes. We have a lot of ordinances. Absolutely.

558
00:34:28,674 --> 00:34:32,859
And that is what their job is to do. Leave your trash bin out

559
00:34:34,584 --> 00:34:35,454
onto a Friday.

560
00:34:37,495 --> 00:34:40,118
My impression with the city used to be that

561
00:34:42,534 --> 00:34:48,219
code enforcement acted when there were persistent complaints from

562
00:34:48,654 --> 00:34:49,374
citizens.

563
00:34:49,525 --> 00:34:51,534
No, that changed two years ago-

564
00:34:51,624 --> 00:34:52,329
Well, that's why it's worked-

565
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,504
... when a new ordinance went into effect.

566
00:34:54,745 --> 00:34:55,749
Yeah. Yeah.

567
00:34:55,765 --> 00:35:00,204
So there's light ordinances, and there's this ordinance and that.

568
00:35:00,234 --> 00:35:03,759
You can't have a camper on your lawn without it being on a solid surface.

569
00:35:03,775 --> 00:35:09,474
You have to mow your grass. They are put in place to keep the community looking

570
00:35:09,534 --> 00:35:13,509
attractive, and this company is

571
00:35:15,144 --> 00:35:20,484
enforcing the laws of the city.

572
00:35:20,544 --> 00:35:22,284
Well, there you have it. There's the situation.

573
00:35:24,144 --> 00:35:26,994
Now, again, I think what you're doing is very-

574
00:35:27,355 --> 00:35:27,699
One thing-

575
00:35:27,744 --> 00:35:28,584
I would tell you to-

576
00:35:29,244 --> 00:35:33,834
One thing that people might ask you about this, the foundation on this is now

577
00:35:35,034 --> 00:35:38,934
concrete block, concrete slab, and brick facing.

578
00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:42,624
And of course, this house originally had a wood foundation.

579
00:35:42,684 --> 00:35:47,424
But the other day, walking by the Bassett house, they have a completely concrete

580
00:35:47,484 --> 00:35:51,984
base to it. It looks just fine. This is going to look just fine, too.

581
00:35:52,434 --> 00:35:56,394
So even though it's not all the original boards from the floor up, it is going to

582
00:35:56,454 --> 00:35:57,294
be original.

583
00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:00,804
So, thank you for listening tonight.

584
00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:01,614
That's, uh-

585
00:36:02,275 --> 00:36:03,294
That's all we can do, Greg.

586
00:36:03,324 --> 00:36:03,534
Yeah.

587
00:36:04,344 --> 00:36:06,025
We can't make any recommendations one way or the other.

588
00:36:06,084 --> 00:36:07,525
Yeah, I didn't expect you could.

589
00:36:08,454 --> 00:36:13,464
So thank you for sharing. And I think that Kevin has some very good suggestions for

590
00:36:13,525 --> 00:36:13,614
you.

591
00:36:14,544 --> 00:36:16,509
We may pursue that idea. Yeah.

592
00:36:16,554 --> 00:36:18,564
If you can bring it up to code.

593
00:36:19,788 --> 00:36:25,442
Right? Just bring it up to code, then you can, I'm sure, and

594
00:36:25,488 --> 00:36:30,603
the young lady sitting next to you would know the answer for sure, but you could

595
00:36:30,858 --> 00:36:36,018
probably apply for whatever permit you need to continue to do the

596
00:36:36,078 --> 00:36:41,898
restoration. But at least bring it to code now, and then you can continue your

597
00:36:41,958 --> 00:36:45,678
restoration, because what you're doing is going to take time.

598
00:36:45,693 --> 00:36:49,593
It's out of our hands. It's going to be a judge's decision what the decision will

599
00:36:49,638 --> 00:36:51,048
be and what time he gets.

600
00:36:51,438 --> 00:36:57,378
Right. But the judge is probably going to give him a bring it up to code in

601
00:36:57,618 --> 00:37:01,338
X amount of days. Get it up to code, then you meet that

602
00:37:02,568 --> 00:37:08,148
lineup, correct? Maybe, and then you can apply for a permit to continue your

603
00:37:08,208 --> 00:37:11,928
construction. But don't tear it all down and put your...

604
00:37:11,988 --> 00:37:16,848
Just systematically work through it, because what you're doing is going to take

605
00:37:16,878 --> 00:37:22,638
time. You're doing beautiful stuff that people don't know how to do

606
00:37:22,699 --> 00:37:25,188
anymore. That's why we tear everything down.

607
00:37:25,908 --> 00:37:28,128
He's right to restore it to its original-

608
00:37:28,488 --> 00:37:28,863
Yes. Yeah

609
00:37:29,388 --> 00:37:31,217
... which is very much appreciated.

610
00:37:32,988 --> 00:37:36,588
Bring it up to code. Whatever it takes to get it up to code.

611
00:37:36,678 --> 00:37:41,779
If you got to go to Menards and get a plastic railing to put in between some posts,

612
00:37:41,808 --> 00:37:42,843
put a plastic railing in-

613
00:37:43,578 --> 00:37:43,683
Yeah

614
00:37:43,683 --> 00:37:46,699
... knowing that you're going to finish it off in the

615
00:37:48,228 --> 00:37:53,449
long run.

616
00:37:53,658 --> 00:37:56,358
When is that court appearance coming up?

617
00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,449
We just know that the citations were issued today.

618
00:37:59,538 --> 00:38:02,508
I know Allison was working on that with the police department.

619
00:38:04,863 --> 00:38:04,863
Sorry.

620
00:38:04,878 --> 00:38:07,458
I don't know what I kind of like putting into my brand new

621
00:38:08,779 --> 00:38:11,148
$3,500 floor.

622
00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:15,843
So it looks like right now you currently have a concrete slab there that you're

623
00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:17,029
going to put decking over.

624
00:38:17,088 --> 00:38:18,183
Yeah. That's kind of-

625
00:38:18,183 --> 00:38:21,618
That's your concrete slab serves as your floor until you...

626
00:38:25,263 --> 00:38:29,538
You got to think big picture. You got to bring it up to code first, and then you

627
00:38:29,568 --> 00:38:30,648
can go back and do all those details.

628
00:38:30,663 --> 00:38:36,108
Well, I guess my next step is to talk to your Cathy Schultz, or what would they

629
00:38:36,138 --> 00:38:36,963
take? Or they-

630
00:38:37,188 --> 00:38:38,824
I don't even know who Cathy Schultz is.

631
00:38:38,868 --> 00:38:41,328
She is the only, the receptionist that answers the phone.

632
00:38:41,418 --> 00:38:42,574
Oh, oh.

633
00:38:42,648 --> 00:38:45,468
Oh, and it was that zoning company. Yeah.

634
00:38:45,529 --> 00:38:45,708
Yeah.

635
00:38:45,768 --> 00:38:49,218
Well, then I got to talk to, I just met Al- Allison is who you're-

636
00:38:49,548 --> 00:38:52,428
Allison Schwark is not currently available.

637
00:38:52,458 --> 00:38:53,688
Yeah. She just had a baby.

638
00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:54,678
She just had a baby.

639
00:38:56,238 --> 00:38:57,318
But yes.

640
00:38:57,363 --> 00:38:57,363
Yeah.

641
00:38:57,408 --> 00:38:58,203
Reach out to them,

642
00:38:59,538 --> 00:39:00,348
probably...

643
00:39:03,018 --> 00:39:05,358
Well, what about this fellow John Messler? Is that his name?

644
00:39:05,928 --> 00:39:07,863
He's just the inspector. I don't think he does-

645
00:39:08,449 --> 00:39:13,638
It's John Messler. Because some of the stuff could have had a building permit

646
00:39:13,728 --> 00:39:18,738
pulled prior to construction, so he went and put a stop work order on it.

647
00:39:19,008 --> 00:39:21,228
So we have two issues going on.

648
00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:22,938
Well, that's like, uh-

649
00:39:23,298 --> 00:39:24,558
The permit's in. Yes.

650
00:39:25,098 --> 00:39:27,933
Yeah. The permit is in? You mean you received it or what?

651
00:39:28,008 --> 00:39:30,213
Yeah. We have it. I'm waiting for him to review it.

652
00:39:30,318 --> 00:39:31,338
Okay, good. Yeah.

653
00:39:32,688 --> 00:39:37,218
Yeah, I was unaware that the porch repair, and if you read the city list of what a

654
00:39:37,998 --> 00:39:40,938
permit is required for, they're not behind there on a porch repair.

655
00:39:42,648 --> 00:39:47,718
Building permits are regulated by state code, state statutes.

656
00:39:48,558 --> 00:39:49,638
That's the difference.

657
00:39:50,238 --> 00:39:55,188
But yeah, we did have to initially take out a permit for the porch repair, but I

658
00:39:55,578 --> 00:39:56,298
quickly got

659
00:39:58,308 --> 00:39:59,418
the application in.

660
00:39:59,449 --> 00:39:59,463
Mm-hmm.

661
00:39:59,493 --> 00:40:00,168
You got it, right?

662
00:40:00,468 --> 00:40:00,678
Yeah.

663
00:40:00,842 --> 00:40:00,842
Yeah.

664
00:40:00,858 --> 00:40:02,779
Yeah. So just in the process of reviewing it.

665
00:40:02,838 --> 00:40:03,858
Yeah. Good. Thank you.

666
00:40:05,388 --> 00:40:06,768
Well, thank you for your suggestions.

667
00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:09,798
Been around the block once.

668
00:40:11,178 --> 00:40:11,868
Twice.

669
00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:13,682
Hey, don't you tell anyone. I'll handle it.

670
00:40:15,618 --> 00:40:18,558
Well, I hope Kevin's comments were helpful to-

671
00:40:18,648 --> 00:40:19,398
Yeah, they may be.

672
00:40:20,238 --> 00:40:20,583
They were.

673
00:40:20,583 --> 00:40:22,428
Just bring it up to code, then you can go back in.

674
00:40:22,458 --> 00:40:24,708
We wish you the best of luck in bringing it up to code.

675
00:40:25,608 --> 00:40:30,168
Seems that the braces are the issue.

676
00:40:31,188 --> 00:40:31,998
Apparently so.

677
00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:37,158
Braces out of your way while you're doing work.

678
00:40:38,478 --> 00:40:40,473
Nothing really gives a thought what we can put in there

679
00:40:41,868 --> 00:40:43,727
that we can work around at the same time.

680
00:40:44,508 --> 00:40:46,699
And I would indicate that the sooner, the better.

681
00:40:52,128 --> 00:40:53,178
Well, thanks for your time.

682
00:40:53,478 --> 00:40:55,128
Thank you. Thank you, having you.

683
00:40:59,088 --> 00:41:00,858
You are welcome to stay if you wish.

684
00:41:02,748 --> 00:41:07,488
Review and possible approval of recommendation for new signage for Flat Iron Park

685
00:41:07,608 --> 00:41:09,978
to the Park and Recreation Board.

686
00:41:13,728 --> 00:41:14,718
Mr. Oechsle.

687
00:41:16,458 --> 00:41:21,708
So there are some recommendations for what signage could look like.

688
00:41:22,308 --> 00:41:22,668
Mm-hmm.

689
00:41:23,779 --> 00:41:28,713
In particular, thank you to Kim for putting this together.

690
00:41:29,449 --> 00:41:32,538
I'm a big fan of the shape of on page 70.

691
00:41:32,748 --> 00:41:34,279
You might be able to go to the-

692
00:41:34,398 --> 00:41:38,613
Yeah. I in particular am a big fan of the shape, of design on page 70.

693
00:41:38,958 --> 00:41:40,308
I think that's a good thing.

694
00:41:41,598 --> 00:41:47,508
I am a fan of the bottom right four in

695
00:41:47,598 --> 00:41:52,938
that grid. I'm not personally, but these are some options.

696
00:41:53,208 --> 00:41:55,428
Just like the outage mounts,

697
00:41:56,748 --> 00:41:59,298
we can only make a recommendation to the park board.

698
00:41:59,928 --> 00:42:00,363
Mm-hmm.

699
00:42:00,378 --> 00:42:05,508
But I think if we can pick one that we like, or maybe a couple of options that are

700
00:42:05,568 --> 00:42:10,548
different shapes, and then give them to our board and say, "We would like to see

701
00:42:10,608 --> 00:42:11,463
this, here's why.

702
00:42:13,128 --> 00:42:15,558
Here's our suggestions." I think we could

703
00:42:16,878 --> 00:42:20,508
see where it could go from there.

704
00:42:20,568 --> 00:42:23,328
Yeah, I agree. I like the shape of the ones on page 70.

705
00:42:23,449 --> 00:42:28,038
I think it looks like the shape of the park almost, because it's so big and

706
00:42:28,158 --> 00:42:28,338
circular.

707
00:42:28,398 --> 00:42:29,868
It did get quite warped.

708
00:42:30,678 --> 00:42:35,838
I think it's elongated, but it obviously went back again.

709
00:42:38,868 --> 00:42:44,463
Would you like us... Is your intent that we select something that we forward to the

710
00:42:44,463 --> 00:42:44,463
park?

711
00:42:44,463 --> 00:42:49,637
I think our group should select one or two that we really like, and then

712
00:42:50,928 --> 00:42:55,608
I'll officially make a motion to recommend that option to our board.

713
00:42:55,848 --> 00:43:01,158
All right. What exactly is the difference between the ones that are on page 70?

714
00:43:01,758 --> 00:43:02,088
There's

715
00:43:04,308 --> 00:43:06,168
no different size wise though, right?

716
00:43:06,258 --> 00:43:06,408
No.

717
00:43:06,498 --> 00:43:07,248
You know?

718
00:43:07,263 --> 00:43:11,088
No, it's just a visual mockup. I just like that one. They're all the same.

719
00:43:11,178 --> 00:43:13,128
Yeah, I agree. But-

720
00:43:13,158 --> 00:43:14,208
Yeah, they're just different colors.

721
00:43:14,268 --> 00:43:16,908
And I'm assuming it's not that long, it looks like.

722
00:43:16,938 --> 00:43:21,678
No, it would... Yeah. That one in particular got really warped. Yeah.

723
00:43:23,988 --> 00:43:28,158
But no, that would not be how long, but it would have that flat

724
00:43:28,638 --> 00:43:31,007
option.

725
00:43:31,068 --> 00:43:31,083
Mm-hmm.

726
00:43:31,083 --> 00:43:36,168
Is there a particular one that all of you would like to forward to the parks board?

727
00:43:39,618 --> 00:43:44,088
I guess I like the gray one at the very bottom right. I feel like the color...

728
00:43:44,628 --> 00:43:45,708
Bottom left.

729
00:43:47,238 --> 00:43:47,943
Oh, you're looking-

730
00:43:48,288 --> 00:43:49,098
Yeah, sorry.

731
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:52,818
I'm looking at them from the other side.

732
00:43:52,833 --> 00:43:52,833
Yeah.

733
00:43:52,833 --> 00:43:53,958
I'm looking at it vertically.

734
00:43:54,018 --> 00:43:55,968
Yeah, so if you were looking, it's bottom left.

735
00:43:56,088 --> 00:43:57,228
Yes. Perfect.

736
00:43:57,243 --> 00:43:58,158
The gray one.

737
00:43:58,788 --> 00:43:59,658
But you said-

738
00:44:00,258 --> 00:44:00,618
Yes

739
00:44:00,648 --> 00:44:01,998
... is it these four you like?

740
00:44:02,088 --> 00:44:04,188
Yes, sorry. The top right four.

741
00:44:04,458 --> 00:44:05,958
The top right four, okay.

742
00:44:06,408 --> 00:44:07,638
Like that grid.

743
00:44:08,163 --> 00:44:08,163
Okay.

744
00:44:08,598 --> 00:44:11,328
But I am also super pro that gray one.

745
00:44:12,918 --> 00:44:13,968
Yeah.

746
00:44:14,658 --> 00:44:15,529
Can I interject?

747
00:44:16,068 --> 00:44:16,518
Certainly.

748
00:44:18,408 --> 00:44:22,398
So I worked really hard to get that base to match the white building.

749
00:44:22,608 --> 00:44:22,968
Mm-hmm.

750
00:44:23,928 --> 00:44:27,529
Just first and foremost, that probably took longer.

751
00:44:27,768 --> 00:44:33,678
We had to actually special order that brick façade, so it matched that

752
00:44:33,708 --> 00:44:39,438
building. The second thing is, the top part, the

753
00:44:39,498 --> 00:44:40,053
green part,

754
00:44:41,868 --> 00:44:44,118
we took colors straight out of the city's logo.

755
00:44:44,958 --> 00:44:49,548
So keep that in mind as you're making your recommendation.

756
00:44:51,348 --> 00:44:56,298
If you look across the street, we have the hunter green with the white lettering

757
00:44:57,438 --> 00:44:58,398
in all of our roofs.

758
00:44:59,718 --> 00:45:03,738
So if we stay with that, that hunter green is also in the logo.

759
00:45:03,768 --> 00:45:03,783
Okay.

760
00:45:03,798 --> 00:45:09,228
So we used colors that are already existing in the city's logo when we were

761
00:45:09,258 --> 00:45:15,228
deciding the colors. And that brick façade, I really wanted to tie it to the

762
00:45:15,258 --> 00:45:17,298
white building so that it wasn't-

763
00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:18,033
Mm-hmm

764
00:45:20,406 --> 00:45:24,711
You can take colors from the Birch Fountain, which is not the original colors.

765
00:45:24,906 --> 00:45:30,547
I just found out yesterday. It is not supposed to be brown, it's white,

766
00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:33,126
was the original colors.

767
00:45:34,386 --> 00:45:40,206
But just food for thought. Everything came out of the logo.

768
00:45:40,866 --> 00:45:46,806
The city manager's really pushing us for branding, and using the colors that

769
00:45:47,286 --> 00:45:49,235
are in the approved city logo.

770
00:45:50,526 --> 00:45:56,136
So your suggestion would be, on page 70, the upper left-hand

771
00:45:56,226 --> 00:45:56,677
corner?

772
00:45:58,506 --> 00:45:58,896
Um.

773
00:45:59,586 --> 00:46:01,326
Or the one below it?

774
00:46:01,896 --> 00:46:02,856
Who did these for you?

775
00:46:03,636 --> 00:46:04,297
I made these.

776
00:46:04,326 --> 00:46:04,836
You made these?

777
00:46:05,226 --> 00:46:05,646
Yeah.

778
00:46:06,576 --> 00:46:07,326
My suggestion-

779
00:46:07,506 --> 00:46:07,911
Mm-hmm

780
00:46:07,911 --> 00:46:11,751
... would be to wait till next month, and maybe if you could take the colors, and I

781
00:46:11,797 --> 00:46:17,076
can give you the color codes off of the existing signs that we have.

782
00:46:17,706 --> 00:46:23,091
And actually, if you don't mind, I can send these over to our sign company

783
00:46:23,616 --> 00:46:24,846
and have them work something up.

784
00:46:26,047 --> 00:46:26,510
That sounds great.

785
00:46:26,526 --> 00:46:28,161
But if it costs us anything-

786
00:46:28,416 --> 00:46:30,276
Okay. Is that good with you, Kelsey?

787
00:46:31,086 --> 00:46:32,706
Yeah. This was a quickie.

788
00:46:32,766 --> 00:46:36,966
And then we can see what the existing signs...

789
00:46:37,086 --> 00:46:42,456
Because this sign is in every city property has this particular sign.

790
00:46:42,802 --> 00:46:42,802
Okay.

791
00:46:42,936 --> 00:46:45,756
The colors and everything. So if we

792
00:46:47,736 --> 00:46:50,556
bring that in, but I can have them work up some of these other colors, too.

793
00:46:52,686 --> 00:46:56,436
So I guess the question would be, what colors do I pull from the logo?

794
00:46:57,306 --> 00:46:57,576
Right.

795
00:46:58,356 --> 00:46:59,976
And we could do a mock.

796
00:47:00,216 --> 00:47:00,785
Yeah, a mock.

797
00:47:00,876 --> 00:47:03,636
I can have them work out some different options on it.

798
00:47:05,106 --> 00:47:06,186
And he'll actually...

799
00:47:08,466 --> 00:47:12,427
Because if, yeah, I'll nitpick a little bit.

800
00:47:12,876 --> 00:47:13,206
Mm-hmm.

801
00:47:14,556 --> 00:47:19,206
The sign is different than I think any of these photos.

802
00:47:19,236 --> 00:47:21,186
It changed the shape of...

803
00:47:23,496 --> 00:47:23,631
Right?

804
00:47:23,631 --> 00:47:24,666
Right. Yeah.

805
00:47:24,726 --> 00:47:27,876
If you actually made that sign that big, that sign would be about this tall.

806
00:47:27,966 --> 00:47:28,266
Right. No, I

807
00:47:28,386 --> 00:47:31,115
That sign is 12 feet tall.

808
00:47:31,911 --> 00:47:31,911
Whoa.

809
00:47:32,376 --> 00:47:32,646
So,

810
00:47:35,376 --> 00:47:37,955
I'll have him do some perspective.

811
00:47:38,256 --> 00:47:38,466
Yeah.

812
00:47:38,976 --> 00:47:43,131
So I'm sorry. I just saw this for the first time about 20 minutes before your

813
00:47:43,146 --> 00:47:43,686
meeting.

814
00:47:43,746 --> 00:47:49,416
Well, I'm glad that you were here to interject and tell us that there were colors

815
00:47:49,446 --> 00:47:52,251
that were significant around the facility. We did not know that.

816
00:47:52,297 --> 00:47:55,567
Really, that was, I mean, the brick tying that sign.

817
00:47:56,826 --> 00:48:00,561
You can say what you want, whether you like the sign or you don't like the sign, I

818
00:48:00,696 --> 00:48:06,396
tried to incorporate that facility into it, and then the rest is just off

819
00:48:06,456 --> 00:48:08,811
of the logo itself.

820
00:48:09,141 --> 00:48:11,736
So you'll take care of this for us around the city?

821
00:48:12,427 --> 00:48:14,466
Yeah, I'll work with Ryan. I'll do this for you.

822
00:48:15,036 --> 00:48:16,896
Okay.

823
00:48:16,986 --> 00:48:19,866
And then I will follow up with Ryan, because he's also the one that's making your

824
00:48:20,496 --> 00:48:22,177
missing sign, so.

825
00:48:24,576 --> 00:48:27,726
I paid for it, so I don't know where it's at. It might be in the garage somewhere.

826
00:48:27,786 --> 00:48:29,826
Okay. Well, we'd really appreciate it-

827
00:48:29,976 --> 00:48:30,246
Yeah

828
00:48:30,261 --> 00:48:32,856
... if they've got up it somewhere. If we can find it.

829
00:48:34,116 --> 00:48:34,356
Okay.

830
00:48:34,626 --> 00:48:35,797
So this will be the same.

831
00:48:35,825 --> 00:48:40,656
All right. Is that satisfactory with everybody, that Kevin takes the lead on this

832
00:48:40,716 --> 00:48:45,020
for us, and that we bring it back next month for review and-

833
00:48:45,246 --> 00:48:50,976
Yep. I guess my only question, just because it did get warm here, do you

834
00:48:51,036 --> 00:48:53,526
think the spacing on the sign, would

835
00:48:55,177 --> 00:49:00,216
it fill that remaining blank space, or would it leave room for another sign?

836
00:49:00,547 --> 00:49:01,746
Is there a future plan?

837
00:49:01,806 --> 00:49:05,226
Well, that little red and blue sign cost $50,000 just so you know.

838
00:49:05,526 --> 00:49:05,856
What?

839
00:49:06,246 --> 00:49:08,286
That's what they donated to get that sign up there.

840
00:49:08,856 --> 00:49:09,456
Oh, okay.

841
00:49:14,016 --> 00:49:19,567
But let me have him work it up, and what he'll do is, there's DOT

842
00:49:19,896 --> 00:49:25,297
standards on signs on as far as traffic options and speed and everything like that.

843
00:49:25,326 --> 00:49:31,236
So there's lettering sizes, and I will give him the actual dimensions and let him

844
00:49:31,266 --> 00:49:33,906
work it up. And then you could always say, "We want it bigger," "We want it

845
00:49:33,966 --> 00:49:36,516
smaller." Whatever you want to do.

846
00:49:36,756 --> 00:49:42,396
They're super cool about, it's a local company, they're 45 minutes from here.

847
00:49:43,236 --> 00:49:45,216
What are the dimensions of this one?

848
00:49:45,786 --> 00:49:50,076
The overall sign is nine feet wide, and it's about 12 foot, six tall.

849
00:49:50,226 --> 00:49:52,356
The top section is nine foot tall.

850
00:49:52,836 --> 00:49:52,986
Mm.

851
00:49:53,256 --> 00:49:54,831
I don't, well-

852
00:49:55,626 --> 00:49:56,076
It fits

853
00:49:56,196 --> 00:50:00,936
... yeah. I think it's like 5 or 6 feet. I don't remember off the top of my head.

854
00:50:00,996 --> 00:50:04,716
I mean, it's been quite a while since I was into that project.

855
00:50:07,446 --> 00:50:09,306
This other one looks monstrous.

856
00:50:09,876 --> 00:50:11,180
Which one is that?

857
00:50:11,196 --> 00:50:11,797
This one.

858
00:50:13,866 --> 00:50:15,725
That really, really tall one.

859
00:50:15,846 --> 00:50:17,376
Oh, yeah, that's, yeah.

860
00:50:17,766 --> 00:50:17,976
Just-

861
00:50:18,216 --> 00:50:19,026
I'm sure-

862
00:50:19,656 --> 00:50:19,836
Okay. Yeah.

863
00:50:20,106 --> 00:50:23,916
Kelsey, I apologize, but I'm sure, Chad had something to do with this.

864
00:50:24,036 --> 00:50:24,336
Oh, yeah.

865
00:50:24,486 --> 00:50:26,886
And Chad does not do a very good-

866
00:50:27,216 --> 00:50:27,396
No.

867
00:50:29,241 --> 00:50:29,916
... graphic.

868
00:50:31,776 --> 00:50:33,156
He takes liberties.

869
00:50:33,246 --> 00:50:33,576
Mm-hmm.

870
00:50:36,427 --> 00:50:41,706
Perfect. Okay. Then that will come back again next month.

871
00:50:42,006 --> 00:50:44,076
Thank you very much, Kevin, for your comment.

872
00:50:44,136 --> 00:50:45,336
You guys have a wonderful evening.

873
00:50:46,476 --> 00:50:46,776
Thank you.

874
00:50:46,791 --> 00:50:50,376
Not that I dislike your company, but...

875
00:50:51,846 --> 00:50:53,886
Well, you stick around. We may need you another time.

876
00:50:53,976 --> 00:50:54,726
No, I'm good.

877
00:50:56,946 --> 00:50:57,052
Thank you.

878
00:50:57,052 --> 00:50:57,336
Thank you.

879
00:50:59,646 --> 00:51:05,076
All right. Discuss and review, and direct staff as to what the Landmarks

880
00:51:05,406 --> 00:51:08,616
Commission would like featured on their webpage for the city website.

881
00:51:09,396 --> 00:51:11,076
Actually, in my local computer. Sorry, guys.

882
00:51:11,376 --> 00:51:13,686
It's not going to come up there because I'm not logged in.

883
00:51:14,136 --> 00:51:19,506
So, we need to split the Landmarks out of the Landmarks Commission.

884
00:51:20,496 --> 00:51:22,927
So right now, we have a running outside

885
00:51:25,116 --> 00:51:28,746
website that is not active, that...

886
00:51:33,666 --> 00:51:39,277
I've taken everything. So this would be attached to the

887
00:51:39,337 --> 00:51:43,326
community section of the main page of our website.

888
00:51:44,047 --> 00:51:46,116
It currently has our guides.

889
00:51:47,616 --> 00:51:52,087
There was an effigy mounds brochure at one point, but nobody has the link for it

890
00:51:52,146 --> 00:51:52,596
anymore.

891
00:51:53,346 --> 00:51:54,547
I have it if you have it.

892
00:51:54,636 --> 00:51:54,876
Okay.

893
00:51:54,906 --> 00:51:57,006
But it definitely needs to be redone.

894
00:51:57,486 --> 00:52:03,381
Which is fine. There was a Walworth County Historical Society Legacy for Kids, and

895
00:52:03,396 --> 00:52:08,976
then we have a bunch of new external webpages.

896
00:52:09,036 --> 00:52:14,557
It's the Clio, the Historical Society, the Whitewater Landmarks Tours with Jim Olm,

897
00:52:15,126 --> 00:52:20,946
Sculpture Walk, the painted traffic boxes.

898
00:52:22,566 --> 00:52:27,066
There's a survey of homes, the Common Council minute books from the 1800s.

899
00:52:28,716 --> 00:52:33,951
The Birch Mountain report is on there, and then our listing of landmarks with all

900
00:52:33,996 --> 00:52:37,116
of their background information attached.

901
00:52:37,177 --> 00:52:39,636
The historic stable will be added to this list.

902
00:52:39,696 --> 00:52:44,016
There's a couple that are missing their documentation, and I'm hoping to get that

903
00:52:44,047 --> 00:52:45,846
attached. I just got to find it.

904
00:52:47,316 --> 00:52:47,616
Okay.

905
00:52:49,536 --> 00:52:53,916
One of the options that we have on this website, and that's currently set up to

906
00:52:53,976 --> 00:52:58,716
this, is I can do a carousel of 20 photos that can be rotated in and out

907
00:53:00,156 --> 00:53:04,326
of different landmarks. So I need to know what you guys would like.

908
00:53:05,136 --> 00:53:09,381
I could go in anytime, at any moment, and change whatever photos.

909
00:53:09,456 --> 00:53:12,547
If we want to feature a new one for October.

910
00:53:12,652 --> 00:53:18,516
Do we want to prominently feature areas, landmarks that are associated

911
00:53:18,576 --> 00:53:22,055
with the spirit tour and the other things we can...

912
00:53:22,087 --> 00:53:25,566
I mean, there's nothing saying that we have to keep the same photos all the time.

913
00:53:25,626 --> 00:53:26,856
Okay. Great.

914
00:53:29,256 --> 00:53:34,027
Is the Sharon Water Tower report on there? Is that Maple Ride?

915
00:53:35,136 --> 00:53:36,906
It is not, but I can add that on here.

916
00:53:38,587 --> 00:53:38,797
And-

917
00:53:38,976 --> 00:53:41,481
I guess it is, actually. The Maple Ride report is on here.

918
00:53:41,587 --> 00:53:41,916
And

919
00:53:43,476 --> 00:53:47,976
further down, we're talking about Discover Whitewater series.

920
00:53:48,981 --> 00:53:49,310
Mm-hmm.

921
00:53:49,326 --> 00:53:50,466
Could you add them on there?

922
00:53:50,706 --> 00:53:56,047
Yes, I could. This page, I am not limited to what I can put on it, it's just the

923
00:53:56,136 --> 00:53:57,261
photos that you guys are limited to.

924
00:53:57,307 --> 00:53:58,297
Yeah. Okay.

925
00:54:00,576 --> 00:54:00,666
So-

926
00:54:00,816 --> 00:54:04,986
I just got to get it split from the Landmarks Commission page where it was

927
00:54:05,316 --> 00:54:06,277
originally housed.

928
00:54:06,666 --> 00:54:07,807
What generated that?

929
00:54:09,726 --> 00:54:14,001
When we redid the website, it's kind of an internal policy that's been put into

930
00:54:14,016 --> 00:54:17,886
effect, that they want all the boards and commission pages to look identical.

931
00:54:18,036 --> 00:54:18,876
Mm. Okay.

932
00:54:19,236 --> 00:54:25,101
So if somebody goes to one page, they know that if they go to the next board, it's

933
00:54:25,116 --> 00:54:26,932
going to be the exact same information-

934
00:54:28,716 --> 00:54:33,277
Right down to the last thing. Landmarks is the only one that had extra information.

935
00:54:34,326 --> 00:54:38,645
It's always been different. I think it's because they have the top.

936
00:54:38,797 --> 00:54:43,446
Like, if someone's looking for information on how we support our local landmarks or

937
00:54:43,506 --> 00:54:46,566
designate them, we can direct them to the Boards and Commissions page.

938
00:54:46,626 --> 00:54:51,756
But if they're looking for information about Whitewater's landmarks, blanket, then

939
00:54:51,846 --> 00:54:53,646
we direct them to the

940
00:54:54,936 --> 00:54:56,736
regular Landmarks page.

941
00:54:56,797 --> 00:55:01,927
Yeah. Well, if you're comfortable, Lana, with doing all of that.

942
00:55:03,156 --> 00:55:03,172
Mm-hmm.

943
00:55:03,186 --> 00:55:08,797
Any suggestions? Would you like to make suggestions which photos appear first?

944
00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:17,916
Maybe we should appear first with the Stone Stable.

945
00:55:19,027 --> 00:55:19,462
We have-

946
00:55:19,896 --> 00:55:21,456
Get us in trouble again.

947
00:55:25,746 --> 00:55:27,066
Yes, the water tower.

948
00:55:28,177 --> 00:55:32,797
I was thinking Stone Stable because it was new, the birch fountain, and the water

949
00:55:32,856 --> 00:55:36,337
tower just because for fundraising purposes, I thought those would be-

950
00:55:37,146 --> 00:55:38,677
Right, and they're rather iconic.

951
00:55:38,736 --> 00:55:39,906
Mm-hmm.

952
00:55:40,116 --> 00:55:44,196
With the spirit tour coming up, certainly the water tower.

953
00:55:44,376 --> 00:55:44,527
Yeah.

954
00:55:44,616 --> 00:55:45,906
The Oak Grove Cemetery.

955
00:55:46,596 --> 00:55:46,807
Yeah.

956
00:55:47,856 --> 00:55:51,816
Should appear, and probably the Hamilton House.

957
00:55:54,906 --> 00:55:57,156
Are we going to keep on picturing the Territorial

958
00:55:59,706 --> 00:56:00,021
Oak? I mean...

959
00:56:01,356 --> 00:56:01,880
Just out?

960
00:56:02,677 --> 00:56:07,087
I mean, I think it deserves recognition. It's something.

961
00:56:07,446 --> 00:56:07,716
Oh, yes.

962
00:56:08,136 --> 00:56:10,927
But I don't know if it's needing to keep the picture up in there.

963
00:56:11,616 --> 00:56:16,986
Well, we don't have to have it in our first 20.

964
00:56:19,356 --> 00:56:20,047
20 go around.

965
00:56:22,116 --> 00:56:23,346
I'm for putting the stable in.

966
00:56:23,677 --> 00:56:26,766
I was thinking Bassett House because of its 100th anniversary this year.

967
00:56:27,846 --> 00:56:28,236
Thank you.

968
00:56:33,337 --> 00:56:37,837
Is there an obscure landmark that people wouldn't necessarily think of?

969
00:56:38,226 --> 00:56:41,946
Is there an obscure landmark that maybe people wouldn't necessarily think of that

970
00:56:41,976 --> 00:56:43,206
we could put towards the start?

971
00:56:45,126 --> 00:56:49,626
Well, Walnut Park is probably one of the obscure landmarks.

972
00:56:49,686 --> 00:56:50,016
Mm-hmm.

973
00:56:52,896 --> 00:56:55,686
Perhaps some of the newer landmarks.

974
00:56:55,716 --> 00:56:59,736
For example, the Ellen Long House.

975
00:57:01,027 --> 00:57:01,311
Uh-huh.

976
00:57:01,356 --> 00:57:03,606
The F. Smartness House.

977
00:57:06,846 --> 00:57:08,766
The Mauch Heritage Site.

978
00:57:09,427 --> 00:57:09,726
Yeah.

979
00:57:09,846 --> 00:57:10,476
I think, yes.

980
00:57:12,636 --> 00:57:12,966
How many?

981
00:57:17,706 --> 00:57:18,756
We're only up to 10.

982
00:57:19,536 --> 00:57:22,087
Oh, okay.

983
00:57:22,596 --> 00:57:23,916
They rotate. Yeah.

984
00:57:24,036 --> 00:57:25,641
Right, yeah. They'll go back in there.

985
00:57:25,686 --> 00:57:30,066
No. It's a match of 20 that I can put into the- Yeah ... the carousel.

986
00:57:30,307 --> 00:57:31,986
That looks like a good amount.

987
00:57:32,587 --> 00:57:35,587
I would also put the mural.

988
00:57:36,846 --> 00:57:38,376
The Prairie Killer mural-

989
00:57:39,996 --> 00:57:40,011
Yeah

990
00:57:40,011 --> 00:57:40,775
... on there.

991
00:57:41,256 --> 00:57:44,736
Because what I'm going to end up doing is I'm going to send media services, I'm

992
00:57:44,766 --> 00:57:48,816
going to put in a request that we get new photos of all of these to put on the

993
00:57:48,846 --> 00:57:49,356
website.

994
00:57:51,216 --> 00:57:54,726
Could you say you want to start us off with Walnut Park Cemetery?

995
00:57:54,786 --> 00:57:56,076
We only got to eight.

996
00:57:57,246 --> 00:57:57,427
Well-

997
00:57:57,876 --> 00:57:58,566
That's a...

998
00:57:59,946 --> 00:58:04,986
Basically, there's got to be a different way to angle it or something so that you

999
00:58:05,016 --> 00:58:05,226
can-

1000
00:58:05,916 --> 00:58:06,486
Absolutely

1001
00:58:06,516 --> 00:58:07,356
... see them.

1002
00:58:08,466 --> 00:58:08,886
Yeah.

1003
00:58:09,126 --> 00:58:09,666
In a group.

1004
00:58:10,446 --> 00:58:16,402
I wonder, a photo of the historic Main Street area

1005
00:58:16,476 --> 00:58:21,636
would be worthwhile. Like, a photo of Main Street, such as downtown, the historic

1006
00:58:21,726 --> 00:58:22,177
area.

1007
00:58:22,807 --> 00:58:23,286
Sure.

1008
00:58:23,557 --> 00:58:24,066
Including-

1009
00:58:24,486 --> 00:58:28,116
Actually, the funny thing is, the historic district for Main Street includes none

1010
00:58:28,146 --> 00:58:28,927
of downtown.

1011
00:58:29,016 --> 00:58:30,936
No. None of it's downtown at all.

1012
00:58:31,087 --> 00:58:32,557
Not that way.

1013
00:58:32,646 --> 00:58:38,166
The historic district on Main Street is from Fremont Street to furry.

1014
00:58:38,946 --> 00:58:42,066
That's what I understood. I'm still trying to get my head around that one.

1015
00:58:42,427 --> 00:58:42,696
Yeah.

1016
00:58:43,851 --> 00:58:46,506
A photo of the district. Something...

1017
00:58:47,196 --> 00:58:51,906
Do we have any old photos of the signs, and then designate it as-

1018
00:58:52,326 --> 00:58:53,496
Historic district

1019
00:58:53,587 --> 00:58:54,351
... yeah.

1020
00:58:55,656 --> 00:58:57,441
We can take a picture of the one in Belden now.

1021
00:59:02,436 --> 00:59:02,886
I don't know.

1022
00:59:02,916 --> 00:59:05,196
Just a suggestion.

1023
00:59:05,286 --> 00:59:05,826
The depot.

1024
00:59:07,236 --> 00:59:11,527
Oh, yeah. We actually have a really good picture of the depot running around right,

1025
00:59:11,826 --> 00:59:15,006
that they've been... As long as they've been taking depot photos.

1026
00:59:15,636 --> 00:59:20,886
One of the... I don't know if you're familiar with Jeff McDonald,

1027
00:59:21,486 --> 00:59:23,527
who is a photographer.

1028
00:59:23,587 --> 00:59:24,050
Mm-hmm.

1029
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:29,736
A very good photographer, who did a series of photos for me for the American 250

1030
00:59:29,766 --> 00:59:32,527
exhibit at the Arts Alliance building.

1031
00:59:32,557 --> 00:59:33,156
Mm-hmm.

1032
00:59:33,216 --> 00:59:37,686
And he took, I believe it was nine photos. I don't know if he would...

1033
00:59:37,746 --> 00:59:39,696
I have the photos. They're framed.

1034
00:59:39,876 --> 00:59:44,557
I don't know if he would be willing to share his digital photos with us so that you

1035
00:59:44,587 --> 00:59:45,696
could put them on.

1036
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:45,890
Mm-hmm.

1037
00:59:45,966 --> 00:59:47,106
You wouldn't need to...

1038
00:59:47,976 --> 00:59:49,266
Actually, we should credit him.

1039
00:59:49,326 --> 00:59:50,316
Oh, yeah. They're very good.

1040
00:59:50,331 --> 00:59:50,436
Yeah.

1041
00:59:50,511 --> 00:59:52,446
He's a quality photographer.

1042
00:59:52,506 --> 00:59:53,196
They're exceptional.

1043
00:59:54,756 --> 00:59:57,936
So, that would be at least nine of them.

1044
00:59:58,087 --> 00:59:58,446
Mm-hmm.

1045
01:00:01,116 --> 01:00:03,277
Media services, we're always looking for something.

1046
01:00:03,516 --> 01:00:09,277
Not that they aren't busy, but sometimes we want them to expand their horizons a

1047
01:00:09,337 --> 01:00:09,547
little.

1048
01:00:09,696 --> 01:00:10,386
Oh, okay.

1049
01:00:12,636 --> 01:00:14,466
All right, so we have 11 now-

1050
01:00:14,661 --> 01:00:14,661
Yeah

1051
01:00:14,661 --> 01:00:15,547
... with the depot.

1052
01:00:15,696 --> 01:00:15,712
Mm-hmm.

1053
01:00:15,876 --> 01:00:17,946
So we need nine more. Is it...

1054
01:00:19,626 --> 01:00:22,656
I nominate the protection classic.

1055
01:00:22,927 --> 01:00:26,047
We can leave those at the discretion of city staff.

1056
01:00:27,216 --> 01:00:27,576
Try again.

1057
01:00:28,476 --> 01:00:31,386
We can leave those at the discretion of city staff based on the photos they

1058
01:00:31,446 --> 01:00:31,927
receive.

1059
01:00:32,766 --> 01:00:33,726
The photos they have.

1060
01:00:37,161 --> 01:00:40,446
The other individual that would have photos, I believe, is

1061
01:00:41,886 --> 01:00:42,576
Tom Voll.

1062
01:00:42,786 --> 01:00:43,236
Mm-hmm.

1063
01:00:46,446 --> 01:00:48,846
I'm sorry. I ran away because-

1064
01:00:49,116 --> 01:00:54,186
Who knows about photography as well, and was the individual that did the Landmarks

1065
01:00:54,246 --> 01:00:56,136
Commission brochure the last time.

1066
01:00:56,466 --> 01:01:00,845
So he should have the whole digital.

1067
01:01:01,686 --> 01:01:01,956
Yeah.

1068
01:01:02,527 --> 01:01:03,996
Tom Voll.

1069
01:01:04,087 --> 01:01:07,746
We have found a collection of historic Whitewater-

1070
01:01:08,677 --> 01:01:09,471
Oh, my goodness

1071
01:01:09,547 --> 01:01:11,736
... that we have printed, that we made big photos.

1072
01:01:11,781 --> 01:01:16,177
So they're all over right now, city hall. So we have the files for these.

1073
01:01:16,251 --> 01:01:17,196
But they're not landmarks.

1074
01:01:18,006 --> 01:01:18,125
No.

1075
01:01:19,506 --> 01:01:19,716
Yeah.

1076
01:01:20,047 --> 01:01:21,096
Unless you wanted something...

1077
01:01:22,356 --> 01:01:22,430
No.

1078
01:01:22,536 --> 01:01:22,701
Right.

1079
01:01:22,927 --> 01:01:24,666
I think we need to stay with landmarks.

1080
01:01:25,116 --> 01:01:25,131
Yep.

1081
01:01:25,146 --> 01:01:25,746
Personally.

1082
01:01:27,427 --> 01:01:27,696
Okay.

1083
01:01:29,256 --> 01:01:31,777
Are those going to be... Where did you say those are now?

1084
01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:32,646
They're all over the-

1085
01:01:33,337 --> 01:01:37,746
Yeah. We found them. We had the files for them, so we found them.

1086
01:01:37,777 --> 01:01:42,172
We made prints of them and put them... There's some downstairs or somewhere, right?

1087
01:01:42,427 --> 01:01:43,956
There's some more.

1088
01:01:44,016 --> 01:01:44,121
Mm-hmm.

1089
01:01:44,406 --> 01:01:45,756
They're pretty neat.

1090
01:01:45,846 --> 01:01:46,777
Okay.

1091
01:01:49,356 --> 01:01:50,047
Shall we move on?

1092
01:01:51,726 --> 01:01:54,516
Discussion and possible approval of the new landmarks

1093
01:01:55,956 --> 01:01:58,297
designation online application.

1094
01:01:59,557 --> 01:02:01,206
Can you bring that up, Lana, or no?

1095
01:02:01,896 --> 01:02:03,246
No, it's in your packet.

1096
01:02:03,291 --> 01:02:04,777
Okay. But yeah, I-

1097
01:02:05,286 --> 01:02:09,606
They don't like the packet, I know. Here, let me...

1098
01:02:13,146 --> 01:02:16,686
Forms. Yep, pages. Yeah,

1099
01:02:18,771 --> 01:02:18,771
pages.

1100
01:02:19,386 --> 01:02:24,576
The packet just reads like that. Landmark first, right?

1101
01:02:24,696 --> 01:02:24,861
Hmm?

1102
01:02:26,826 --> 01:02:30,096
Or at least the packet I have in my email.

1103
01:02:30,186 --> 01:02:31,146
Yeah, I don't have it.

1104
01:02:31,206 --> 01:02:32,706
Only pulls up that brochure.

1105
01:02:32,976 --> 01:02:33,156
I don't have three.

1106
01:02:33,216 --> 01:02:36,756
That's why I asked you if you could bring it up.

1107
01:02:36,966 --> 01:02:37,206
Yep.

1108
01:02:38,736 --> 01:02:39,456
You can.

1109
01:02:39,606 --> 01:02:40,236
I can.

1110
01:02:40,297 --> 01:02:40,956
I have it.

1111
01:02:41,286 --> 01:02:42,156
Oh, I have it, yeah.

1112
01:02:45,216 --> 01:02:46,206
Oh, okay.

1113
01:02:48,096 --> 01:02:49,716
How did I include that? What the heck?

1114
01:02:57,246 --> 01:03:01,927
But the way it looks online is a little bit weird how I get...

1115
01:03:03,666 --> 01:03:07,326
So this is the actual form. This is what somebody would see when they're filling it

1116
01:03:07,446 --> 01:03:07,716
out.

1117
01:03:09,277 --> 01:03:11,797
Nobody can see it.

1118
01:03:11,886 --> 01:03:13,596
I need to go back.

1119
01:03:13,626 --> 01:03:14,646
Yeah.

1120
01:03:14,706 --> 01:03:19,731
Yeah. All right, let's try it. So this is how it's going to look, which I have to

1121
01:03:19,866 --> 01:03:20,346
touch screen.

1122
01:03:26,226 --> 01:03:31,386
Each part has a different designation, but it literally

1123
01:03:31,446 --> 01:03:33,486
runs straight up and down.

1124
01:03:35,406 --> 01:03:36,096
Let me see.

1125
01:03:42,414 --> 01:03:44,304
That's in the July packet. Mm-hmm.

1126
01:03:44,994 --> 01:04:03,444
Point

1127
01:04:03,504 --> 01:04:05,589
of personal reference, may I see the screen?

1128
01:04:06,924 --> 01:04:08,724
The screen that she's working on.

1129
01:04:09,655 --> 01:04:11,454
I'm actually working currently on

1130
01:04:12,775 --> 01:04:14,664
just looking at our agenda records right now.

1131
01:04:14,905 --> 01:04:16,315
Oh. Oh, sorry.

1132
01:04:16,824 --> 01:04:21,594
Yeah, let me see if I can pull it up that way. I probably should make it bigger.

1133
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:22,164
I

1134
01:04:22,194 --> 01:04:29,184
have

1135
01:04:29,275 --> 01:04:29,815
it right here.

1136
01:04:30,414 --> 01:04:31,464
Yeah. Why don't I just-

1137
01:04:31,808 --> 01:04:32,634
Are you going to pull it up?

1138
01:04:32,815 --> 01:04:33,025
Yeah.

1139
01:04:45,565 --> 01:05:30,025
There's

1140
01:05:30,054 --> 01:05:34,464
a landmark form. So currently it looks like this.

1141
01:05:35,484 --> 01:05:39,954
This is the one that I filled in, because it's currently not online.

1142
01:05:40,734 --> 01:05:42,114
It goes through

1143
01:05:43,704 --> 01:05:48,204
name of the building. Anything with a red asterisk has to be filled out.

1144
01:05:49,405 --> 01:05:53,304
N/A's are allowed if somebody doesn't know the information.

1145
01:05:54,174 --> 01:05:57,804
It has its categories, it's ownership,

1146
01:06:01,614 --> 01:06:02,785
public acquisition. Yeah.

1147
01:06:03,144 --> 01:06:05,244
Can you go back to ownership?

1148
01:06:05,484 --> 01:06:05,664
Okay.

1149
01:06:07,134 --> 01:06:07,854
Why both?

1150
01:06:09,594 --> 01:06:13,134
That's what was on the original application, both.

1151
01:06:13,704 --> 01:06:18,804
There are some landmarks that could have both. Why?

1152
01:06:19,164 --> 01:06:23,035
I don't know. But it had both on the original one because that's where I pulled it

1153
01:06:23,065 --> 01:06:23,394
from.

1154
01:06:24,474 --> 01:06:26,484
I can't find it on the original.

1155
01:06:28,644 --> 01:06:29,664
Make a note of both.

1156
01:06:37,375 --> 01:06:43,074
Just for clarification, are we looking at the

1157
01:06:43,104 --> 01:06:44,454
landmark application?

1158
01:06:44,724 --> 01:06:45,054
Yes.

1159
01:06:45,414 --> 01:06:45,714
Okay.

1160
01:06:46,434 --> 01:06:51,144
That is the landmarks application, a draft of it. It's currently not finalized.

1161
01:06:51,489 --> 01:06:53,275
It said

1162
01:06:55,405 --> 01:07:02,994
under

1163
01:07:05,815 --> 01:07:11,949
three

1164
01:07:12,984 --> 01:07:13,525
classes.

1165
01:07:13,554 --> 01:07:14,679
Public

1166
01:07:16,014 --> 01:07:19,194
acquisition would've been what happened with the Hamilton House when it was

1167
01:07:19,285 --> 01:07:23,934
originally disarray and couldn't find an owner. The city actually became the owner.

1168
01:07:24,535 --> 01:07:28,658
So if a city purchases a landmark property, that

1169
01:07:30,684 --> 01:07:33,294
was what that public acquisition means.

1170
01:07:35,004 --> 01:07:36,204
It doesn't happen often.

1171
01:07:39,714 --> 01:07:42,474
Hamilton House is the only example that I found of that.

1172
01:07:46,285 --> 01:07:51,174
I would think that anyone could nominate a landmark.

1173
01:07:51,264 --> 01:07:51,429
Mm-hmm.

1174
01:07:52,704 --> 01:07:54,114
I would think that that might...

1175
01:07:58,614 --> 01:07:58,734
No.

1176
01:08:00,204 --> 01:08:00,819
You want it off?

1177
01:08:01,285 --> 01:08:03,714
I think I would take it off, personally.

1178
01:08:05,125 --> 01:08:08,065
The city would know if they were involved with something like that.

1179
01:08:08,078 --> 01:08:09,354
That's where it would be. I

1180
01:08:11,604 --> 01:08:15,535
would take that off.

1181
01:08:15,625 --> 01:08:16,405
Item number seven.

1182
01:08:18,444 --> 01:08:18,775
Yeah.

1183
01:08:19,854 --> 01:08:20,184
Yeah.

1184
01:08:20,664 --> 01:08:26,065
But as for the ownership, both option

1185
01:08:26,604 --> 01:08:29,485
in the original form is under number three, classification.

1186
01:08:29,634 --> 01:08:30,293
Right.

1187
01:08:30,565 --> 01:08:30,804
Okay.

1188
01:08:30,834 --> 01:08:31,495
It does say both.

1189
01:08:31,554 --> 01:08:32,454
Yeah, it does say both.

1190
01:08:32,514 --> 01:08:35,275
It does. Okay. Oh, yes it does.

1191
01:08:37,525 --> 01:08:38,874
That doesn't make sense either.

1192
01:08:40,584 --> 01:08:44,214
The only way that I think that could happen is if you have a

1193
01:08:45,565 --> 01:08:47,035
privately owned

1194
01:08:48,954 --> 01:08:54,414
property with a publicly owned building on it, which could happen, but that would

1195
01:08:54,474 --> 01:08:55,074
be rare.

1196
01:08:55,405 --> 01:09:01,104
Or if there's a landmarked property that spans both public and private property,

1197
01:09:01,495 --> 01:09:05,049
like the landmark building that I think sits on both.

1198
01:09:05,124 --> 01:09:10,495
I'm thinking more the effigy miles, if it had been private and it was spanning two

1199
01:09:10,525 --> 01:09:11,213
properties.

1200
01:09:11,304 --> 01:09:16,704
Yeah, it might span across multiple parcels that are public versus private.

1201
01:09:16,764 --> 01:09:18,235
Oh, yeah, but she knows it doesn't, though.

1202
01:09:18,504 --> 01:09:19,944
No, but I think that's-

1203
01:09:20,664 --> 01:09:23,078
That's why that provision is in there, in case it happened.

1204
01:09:23,995 --> 01:09:25,044
Or in case, yeah, I think-

1205
01:09:25,884 --> 01:09:26,454
Something like that.

1206
01:09:26,514 --> 01:09:30,294
All right. Keep both in the ownership then?

1207
01:09:30,804 --> 01:09:31,495
Yeah, leave it.

1208
01:09:34,315 --> 01:09:36,384
I think public acquisition should go then.

1209
01:09:36,624 --> 01:09:38,065
Okay, number seven gone.

1210
01:09:41,065 --> 01:09:42,114
Data status.

1211
01:09:44,995 --> 01:09:45,338
Mm-hmm.

1212
01:09:46,418 --> 01:09:47,304
Accessibility.

1213
01:09:47,995 --> 01:09:48,414
Mm-hmm.

1214
01:09:49,644 --> 01:09:50,394
Present use.

1215
01:09:53,035 --> 01:09:56,094
Obviously, when I filled this one out, four.

1216
01:09:56,124 --> 01:09:57,489
It should be are there more?

1217
01:09:58,014 --> 01:09:58,854
Oh, yeah.

1218
01:09:58,914 --> 01:09:59,724
Okay, good.

1219
01:10:00,144 --> 01:10:01,239
Mm-hmm.

1220
01:10:01,554 --> 01:10:03,894
Fine. Good.

1221
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:05,094
Mm-hmm. Good.

1222
01:10:07,674 --> 01:10:09,084
Type.

1223
01:10:12,894 --> 01:10:22,584
These

1224
01:10:22,854 --> 01:10:24,264
are all the survey information.

1225
01:10:25,374 --> 01:10:26,035
Condition.

1226
01:10:30,864 --> 01:10:32,124
Condition. Unaltered, altered.

1227
01:10:32,785 --> 01:10:33,309
I think it should be-

1228
01:10:34,285 --> 01:10:38,874
Check one. Original site, obviously, like if it's unstable it would've been moved.

1229
01:10:44,724 --> 01:10:45,384
Period.

1230
01:10:46,134 --> 01:10:47,814
Mm-hmm. You need to-

1231
01:10:48,474 --> 01:10:53,245
I did add because the original form did not go into the 2000, so I did add the

1232
01:10:53,424 --> 01:10:54,099
2000s and

1233
01:10:55,434 --> 01:10:56,469
forward because-

1234
01:10:58,285 --> 01:10:58,704
Correct

1235
01:10:59,274 --> 01:11:02,004
... you never know. It's done.

1236
01:11:03,354 --> 01:11:03,864
Repaired.

1237
01:11:03,954 --> 01:11:04,254
Huh?

1238
01:11:04,404 --> 01:11:04,989
Repaired.

1239
01:11:05,214 --> 01:11:07,644
Oh, repaired. Well, you never know.

1240
01:11:07,734 --> 01:11:12,414
A building could be constructed by an architect that has significance or-

1241
01:11:13,254 --> 01:11:14,364
Correct.

1242
01:11:14,904 --> 01:11:15,984
Areas of significance.

1243
01:11:16,089 --> 01:11:16,089
Yeah.

1244
01:11:16,104 --> 01:11:21,474
Obviously, there's quite a bit of choice here, all based off the old

1245
01:11:21,654 --> 01:11:22,134
form.

1246
01:11:22,254 --> 01:11:22,495
Mm-hmm.

1247
01:11:24,535 --> 01:11:29,634
Other specific dates, if somebody knows if it's constructed.

1248
01:11:29,724 --> 01:11:35,694
If not, they would have the option in here to put N/A's or whatever.

1249
01:11:35,754 --> 01:11:40,779
If it's not somebody from Landmarks or who understands the landmark, they could put

1250
01:11:40,914 --> 01:11:41,334
N/A's.

1251
01:11:44,814 --> 01:11:47,724
Acreage, parcel identification number.

1252
01:11:49,495 --> 01:11:54,564
This is one that I toyed with, of putting it as required,

1253
01:11:55,764 --> 01:11:59,184
because unless you know where to go in the GIS map, I'm going to get a lot of phone

1254
01:11:59,214 --> 01:11:59,814
calls.

1255
01:11:59,874 --> 01:12:01,104
You're exactly right.

1256
01:12:10,224 --> 01:12:11,574
Mm-hmm. I can add that later.

1257
01:12:11,604 --> 01:12:12,204
Yeah.

1258
01:12:14,604 --> 01:12:17,814
I would leave it there in case someone does know, but I would not make it required.

1259
01:12:20,574 --> 01:12:22,704
Yeah, you can remove the little red star.

1260
01:12:23,214 --> 01:12:23,574
Yeah.

1261
01:12:29,724 --> 01:12:32,964
Verbal boundary description and justification.

1262
01:12:33,024 --> 01:12:34,899
So this is where somebody could type

1263
01:12:36,204 --> 01:12:40,374
why they think it's important. This is that whole summary section, and yes, it

1264
01:12:40,404 --> 01:12:43,944
looks like it's only one line, but as soon as they start typing, it just keeps

1265
01:12:44,274 --> 01:12:44,844
going.

1266
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:45,160
Expanding.

1267
01:12:45,204 --> 01:12:46,074
Yeah.

1268
01:12:46,164 --> 01:12:47,904
And it expands with...

1269
01:12:50,364 --> 01:12:56,191
One of the major complaints about this former designation was When you

1270
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:57,210
started typing

1271
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,130
Yes. No, it maintains the actual font size.

1272
01:13:02,220 --> 01:13:08,160
Good. That is very important. That would be my big thing, is

1273
01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:09,720
that font size remains.

1274
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:10,620
And then obviously,

1275
01:13:11,941 --> 01:13:12,600
put the form-

1276
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:13,260
Mm-hmm

1277
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,060
... the organization address, email.

1278
01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:19,650
Now, obviously noticeable data, they're not going to have a lot of this.

1279
01:13:19,710 --> 01:13:24,270
This is stuff that I thought probably not required.

1280
01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:29,490
Most of the time, they're not going to know their zoning district.

1281
01:13:29,790 --> 01:13:33,360
We have all this online, but people don't look.

1282
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:34,650
No. Or know where.

1283
01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:36,390
Or know where to look.

1284
01:13:36,420 --> 01:13:38,280
Yeah. I would think that's not required.

1285
01:13:38,865 --> 01:13:40,905
Yeah. Okay.

1286
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:51,960
And then, obviously, we have for our pick, once it goes to paper,

1287
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:53,520
we can,

1288
01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:59,235
hearing dates, set all the information that we would put inside so that-

1289
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:01,710
That needs to be included.

1290
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,240
Yeah.

1291
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:04,560
Okay. Great.

1292
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:10,830
So that was the application we presented in July and brought back, because Patty

1293
01:14:10,845 --> 01:14:14,850
wasn't here to provide information, so we just tabled it and brought it back to

1294
01:14:14,910 --> 01:14:15,060
you.

1295
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,150
Thank you for doing that. It looks a lot nicer.

1296
01:14:19,290 --> 01:14:20,310
That's great.

1297
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:22,800
I would entertain a motion to approve.

1298
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,170
I move to approve with the amendments discussed.

1299
01:14:26,701 --> 01:14:27,150
Second.

1300
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:33,481
It's been moved by Arnesmith and seconded by Chelsea Riley. Any discussion?

1301
01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:41,130
I'll get an email when it is publicly available on the website.

1302
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:43,710
I can do that. Thank you.

1303
01:14:45,451 --> 01:14:46,500
All in favor?

1304
01:14:47,010 --> 01:14:47,490
Aye. Aye.

1305
01:14:48,210 --> 01:14:53,580
Opposed? Motion is carried. And you will let us know when it goes active?

1306
01:14:53,865 --> 01:14:55,545
It'll go active probably tomorrow.

1307
01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:57,810
Okie dokie. Great.

1308
01:14:58,110 --> 01:15:03,120
It takes me about less than a couple of minutes to clean up the form, and I just

1309
01:15:03,150 --> 01:15:05,100
hit publish and put in the codes link.

1310
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,340
Thank you. Greatly appreciated. Yeah.

1311
01:15:11,070 --> 01:15:15,481
Review and discuss Discover Whitewater Series on Historic Landmarks.

1312
01:15:15,930 --> 01:15:17,250
I don't know if you've seen

1313
01:15:18,570 --> 01:15:21,525
the website for Discover Whitewater, but

1314
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:23,490
it is...

1315
01:15:25,140 --> 01:15:27,570
In fact, here's my little paper here.

1316
01:15:29,941 --> 01:15:32,280
And I'm not sure I'm pronouncing her name correctly.

1317
01:15:35,070 --> 01:15:35,910
Correct for me.

1318
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:37,290
No?

1319
01:15:37,770 --> 01:15:37,949
No.

1320
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:41,040
Christine Koslowsky Charnecki-

1321
01:15:41,580 --> 01:15:41,760
Oh

1322
01:15:41,850 --> 01:15:41,850
...

1323
01:15:43,260 --> 01:15:49,140
is the one that was in contact. And there is

1324
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:53,790
a link if you want to view it. Just go to world wide web

1325
01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:57,900
discoverwhitewater.org/historic-landmarks.

1326
01:15:58,290 --> 01:16:02,610
And she did a really, really nice job. I will have to say that.

1327
01:16:02,701 --> 01:16:08,580
So it's just another avenue of advertising just for us, really.

1328
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,280
And if you go to that site, she's

1329
01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:17,731
quite nice. I just wanted to bring it to your attention and-

1330
01:16:19,951 --> 01:16:20,520
Looks great.

1331
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:23,370
Yeah, isn't it? I think it's really nice.

1332
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:24,810
What is her

1333
01:16:26,370 --> 01:16:28,800
capacity? What is she?

1334
01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:31,441
She is the individual that

1335
01:16:32,731 --> 01:16:36,510
maintains Discover Whitewater,

1336
01:16:36,780 --> 01:16:40,201
their website.

1337
01:16:41,941 --> 01:16:44,731
And I think she works specifically with,

1338
01:16:46,170 --> 01:16:47,220
would it be Jeff Knight?

1339
01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:50,834
Corrin, are you familiar with Jeff Knight?

1340
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:51,750
I am,

1341
01:16:53,340 --> 01:16:54,481
but I don't think it's-

1342
01:16:54,750 --> 01:16:57,975
Does Jeff have anything to do with Discover Whitewater? I thought he did.

1343
01:16:58,620 --> 01:17:03,210
I know him related to the Greater Whitewater Commission.

1344
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:03,900
Okay.

1345
01:17:05,310 --> 01:17:07,170
Corrin is the head of Discover.

1346
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:09,300
Is the Chamber of Commerce-

1347
01:17:10,170 --> 01:17:12,000
She is both, I believe.

1348
01:17:12,090 --> 01:17:12,390
Okay.

1349
01:17:13,140 --> 01:17:15,060
Yeah. So I think it's Corrin.

1350
01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:18,720
Okay. So this is a Chamber of Commerce effort?

1351
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:22,590
Yeah. It says the Historical Landmarks Map.

1352
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,800
If you look on the website, it's actually under Corrin's name, so-

1353
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,840
Okay. It is under Corrin's name. Okay.

1354
01:17:28,664 --> 01:17:28,664
Yeah.

1355
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,240
And Christine Koslowsky.

1356
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,640
Probably did the website updates-

1357
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:32,941
Okay

1358
01:17:32,970 --> 01:17:35,400
... but Corrin was driving the initiative.

1359
01:17:35,731 --> 01:17:35,910
Okay.

1360
01:17:35,941 --> 01:17:41,070
Would be my guess. We should let them know also that the stone stable is official

1361
01:17:41,130 --> 01:17:43,320
so they can add it to the site.

1362
01:17:43,981 --> 01:17:45,510
Yes. Okay, will do.

1363
01:17:47,820 --> 01:17:52,890
Steph has a question over here. I'm going to assume you would like a link on your

1364
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,590
website to that Discover Whitewater-

1365
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:56,130
Yes

1366
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:56,701
... yeah. Okay.

1367
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,120
Exactly.

1368
01:17:57,165 --> 01:17:57,900
Just making sure.

1369
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,365
Absolutely. After all the work they've done,

1370
01:18:03,330 --> 01:18:05,760
we need to give them some credit as well.

1371
01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:09,870
And I will update her with the stone stable that was

1372
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:13,410
approved this evening. Okay.

1373
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:21,780
Review and discuss the Engelbrechtsendorff House located at 922 West Main.

1374
01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:27,630
As you know, it's for sale. Jerry Wendt has moved to

1375
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:31,770
Fairhaven, so the house is basically vacant.

1376
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:39,481
Hopefully, it will be sold to someone that will reopen it as a bed and breakfast.

1377
01:18:39,540 --> 01:18:44,100
At this point, it has not been sold, yet.

1378
01:18:45,570 --> 01:18:50,520
The realtor has been informed that it is a local landmark, so there should be no

1379
01:18:50,580 --> 01:18:54,750
complications there whatsoever with the individuals that purchase it.

1380
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,941
I received a call on it today.

1381
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:57,451
You did?

1382
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:59,640
Yes, from a potential buyer.

1383
01:18:59,731 --> 01:19:00,719
Oh, my goodness.

1384
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:07,410
However, the realtor is only providing that it is a national historical landmark

1385
01:19:07,441 --> 01:19:07,920
and not

1386
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,220
saying it's a local landmark, and I had to explain to them that there is a

1387
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:18,990
difference with a little bit more restriction on what is...

1388
01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:23,610
And as soon as I said that, the restrictions to the zoning, it looked like they

1389
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:24,510
were not interested.

1390
01:19:27,630 --> 01:19:29,055
Restrictions to the zoning?

1391
01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:32,384
Is it an R-3 and what you can do inside of it, and under what-

1392
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,650
No, you can do anything you want inside.

1393
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:35,191
It's-

1394
01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:37,530
It's not... But on the zoning, you can't.

1395
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:40,140
There's only certain businesses that can go into the zoning.

1396
01:19:40,170 --> 01:19:41,010
There's only certain-

1397
01:19:42,090 --> 01:19:43,680
Not really into it, it's like Marci says-

1398
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:44,370
Okay. Yeah

1399
01:19:45,090 --> 01:19:46,860
... there are other limitations.

1400
01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:49,830
There are zoning limitations, too, with zoning code.

1401
01:19:50,191 --> 01:19:50,460
Okay.

1402
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:53,550
Oh, dear. Okay.

1403
01:19:55,050 --> 01:20:00,090
Because they had been informed, the realtor had been informed that it was a local

1404
01:20:00,106 --> 01:20:00,540
landmark.

1405
01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:01,951
They're only saying it's a

1406
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:03,930
national landmark.

1407
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,085
It's on the National Registry.

1408
01:20:05,191 --> 01:20:05,475
Mm-hmm.

1409
01:20:05,490 --> 01:20:08,880
It's on the National Registry by...

1410
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:14,865
Because it's in the national or-

1411
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:15,255
Yeah

1412
01:20:15,255 --> 01:20:16,110
... historic district.

1413
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,810
That's the only information they're providing.

1414
01:20:19,231 --> 01:20:21,630
Okay. Well, I will give them a call.

1415
01:20:22,860 --> 01:20:24,270
Unless you set them straight.

1416
01:20:24,481 --> 01:20:27,435
I set the one... I will call the realtor, though.

1417
01:20:27,451 --> 01:20:28,800
I won't. Okay.

1418
01:20:30,270 --> 01:20:33,630
Review and discuss the updating of the Landmark brochure.

1419
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,410
We are behind with the Landmark brochure.

1420
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:44,610
We need to add the additional landmarks. I can't remember.

1421
01:20:44,941 --> 01:20:49,576
Off the top of my head, but now we're up to 29 landmarks.

1422
01:20:49,965 --> 01:20:54,570
And when I did contact the Chamber of Commerce,

1423
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:58,650
who had helped print the last brochure,

1424
01:20:59,941 --> 01:21:05,820
they are willing to go ahead, and it was last year that I contacted them.

1425
01:21:06,270 --> 01:21:09,945
They are willing to go ahead... At that point, they were willing to go ahead and

1426
01:21:10,050 --> 01:21:11,970
have the brochure reprinted for us.

1427
01:21:13,170 --> 01:21:19,110
We, of course, would have to have Tom Full, who was the individual

1428
01:21:19,201 --> 01:21:24,735
that did the design of the brochure that was printed in 2019,

1429
01:21:25,470 --> 01:21:28,560
update it. But

1430
01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:34,320
what do you think? Should we move ahead, or should we wait?

1431
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:41,550
When are designations on our visible horizon that we can go for it?

1432
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:48,090
Too soon to go.

1433
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:48,810
Without data.

1434
01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:49,770
Should we go ahead?

1435
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,710
The 29 includes the stone stable?

1436
01:21:52,860 --> 01:21:56,100
Yes. 29 includes, that is the 29.

1437
01:21:57,270 --> 01:22:01,845
How many are there, really? 20, right?

1438
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:07,800
So I will, again, meet with Corrin, the commission,

1439
01:22:07,890 --> 01:22:13,410
and everybody else that was there, and hopefully they will approve it and let us

1440
01:22:13,441 --> 01:22:19,290
move forward with the reprint. I would like to contact Tom Full with

1441
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:24,960
regard to that, if they're in compliance with it, simply because he has all of the

1442
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:31,441
digital things for the brochure, and certainly can arrange

1443
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:33,451
what we have. But

1444
01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:40,710
we've got to fit 29 in now instead of the few that are there, so it will look a bit

1445
01:22:40,770 --> 01:22:41,310
different.

1446
01:22:43,290 --> 01:22:44,550
Any questions on that?

1447
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:46,920
All right.

1448
01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:53,430
Let us move ahead with future agenda items.

1449
01:22:54,645 --> 01:22:55,981
Sign a park sign.

1450
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:56,340
Pardon?

1451
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:58,050
The sign our park sign.

1452
01:22:59,520 --> 01:22:59,941
Got that?

1453
01:23:00,420 --> 01:23:00,691
Okay.

1454
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:08,610
Penny? Penny, you're going to draft some kind of a-

1455
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,295
I can't guarantee it's going to be by next month already, but I will be working on

1456
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:14,610
that.

1457
01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:20,670
Okay. On the FFG amounts, Penny will be working on a draft for the parks

1458
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:22,170
board.

1459
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,180
Anything else we need to bring

1460
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:34,110
back?

1461
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:38,220
Let's put the landmarks brochure back on.

1462
01:23:40,231 --> 01:23:40,800
Need to say anything

1463
01:23:40,830 --> 01:23:50,820
else?

1464
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:51,420
No.

1465
01:23:51,481 --> 01:23:55,650
Okay. I'm sure something else will pop up, but

1466
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:57,840
all right.

1467
01:23:59,070 --> 01:24:02,326
Since our business is concluded, I actually have the right, according to Roberts

1468
01:24:02,370 --> 01:24:03,300
Rules of Order, to

1469
01:24:04,951 --> 01:24:08,910
adjourn the meeting. Thank you very much. Enjoy your evening.