[0:10] I would like to call the meeting of the Landmarks Commission on September 2nd at
[0:15] 6:00 PM to order. Lana, please do roll call.
[0:20] Pat Blackburn.
[0:21] Present.
[0:22] Penny Alwin.
[0:23] Present.
[0:24] Jordan Riley.
[0:25] Present.
[0:26] Kelsey Riley.
[0:26] Present.
[0:27] Warren Artsmith.
[0:28] Present.
[0:29] And we have three guests this evening.
[0:34] Would you please note that? Kevin Boehm.
[0:39] Boehm?
[0:39] Boehm. I'm sorry.
[0:40] Sorry.
[0:41] Just checking on your sight.
[0:44] Greg Alder, and I'm sorry, I do not know who you are.
[0:48] Max Marty.
[0:51] Royal Marty.
[0:52] Thank you very much.
[0:55] May I have approval of this evening's agenda? So a motion to do so?
[1:00] So moved.
[1:01] Second.
[1:03] It's been moved by Artsmith and seconded by Jordan Riley that we approve this
[1:08] evening's agenda. Is there any discussion? Yes.
[1:14] I would like to move Kevin forward, if we may do that.
[1:18] Kevin, would that be a problem for you?
[1:20] I'm fine.
[1:22] You would-
[1:23] Yeah, it doesn't matter. I can stay, I can move, whatever you want.
[1:27] No,
[1:30] whatever you want. I know you're a busy man.
[1:32] So would it be helpful if we moved you forward above Greg's presentation?
[1:38] Sure.
[1:39] Okay.
[1:41] With that in mind...
[1:45] Accept that amendment?
[1:46] Yes, a motion to accept as amended. Yes.
[1:49] Good.
[1:50] All right. All in favor?
[1:52] Aye.
[1:53] Aye.
[1:53] Aye.
[1:53] Opposed? Motion is carried.
[2:07] We need to have approval of our minutes from our July meeting.
[2:12] Consented agenda.
[2:15] I'm sorry, I missed that. Items on the consented agenda were grouped together
[2:20] unless any committee member requests an item be moved.
[2:25] Approval of June 3rd 2026 minutes.
[2:29] It's July 2nd, 2026. I think you're on the first page of the minutes from last
[2:33] year.
[2:34] You're right.
[2:37] It's been a long time.
[2:39] 100%. I've been off it yesterday.
[2:43] Yes. Okay. Approval of July 2nd, 2026 minutes.
[2:49] So moved.
[2:50] Second.
[2:51] It's been moved by Artsmith and seconded by Jordan Riley that we approve the
[2:55] minutes of July 2nd, 2026. So I apologize for the
[3:00] error. Any discussion?
[3:07] All in favor?
[3:08] Aye.
[3:08] Aye.
[3:09] Opposed? Motion is carried. No formal committee action will be taken during this
[3:15] committee meeting, although issues raised may become a part of a future agenda.
[3:20] Participants are allotted a three-minute speaking period.
[3:23] Specific items listed on the agenda may not be discussed at this time.
[3:28] However, citizens are invited to speak to those specific issues at the time the
[3:33] committee discusses that particular item.
[3:37] We have no one coming in online?
[3:40] Nobody online.
[3:41] Then we will move ahead. This is the evening for the public
[3:47] hearing and review of the designation of the Stone Stable, which is located
[3:53] across the street,
[3:57] as a local landmark.
[4:01] Are there any objections to this
[4:05] designation?
[4:06] Not here.
[4:07] Not here.
[4:08] And the reason-
[4:11] Yes.
[4:12] What's the benefit of doing it? So reading through all of the documentation in
[4:18] the packet, there's no
[4:20] solid statement of, "This is why we should do this."
[4:24] This is why we should do this, because it is one of the first, actually if we look
[4:30] at it, industrial kinds of activities that we have had in the
[4:35] county or in the inner city, and that was specifically at one time a stable.
[4:42] Further investigation done by Carol Carbides said it possibly could've been a
[4:47] cooperage for barrel manufacture.
[4:51] So I think it's significant that we-
[4:55] Right, but what's the benefit of designating it as a landmark?
[4:58] The benefit is that we hope to preserve it for a long, long time.
[5:04] Okay.
[5:04] The preservation of it, actually, Kevin.
[5:08] That it can't be again dismantled and moved without authorization.
[5:14] Hopefully it will not. It's certainly on the campus with the depot, and the
[5:19] Whitewater Historical Society is responsible.
[5:23] No, I get all that, I just in the packet there's really no-
[5:27] Okay. Does so?
[5:30] No selling of why to designate. You put
[5:35] Carol's article in there-
[5:38] Right
[5:38] ... about the history and all that, no big deal. What are the benefits of why?
[5:43] Well, we thought that if people read the history and understood it, that that in
[5:48] itself would be a benefit. So-
[5:51] I guess then what are benefits that have been involved anyhow in that, so
[5:58] that same question might be answered, any one of them I think probably will be
[6:01] answered for all of them.
[6:06] Okay.
[6:06] That's it? Okay. Lana, did you get any correspondence last week?
[6:11] We got no correspondence regarding either way, one way or the other.
[6:16] Good.
[6:16] Nothing.
[6:17] Nothing?
[6:17] We got nothing.
[6:18] Okay.
[6:21] Then I would need a motion to approve this as a local landmark.
[6:24] So moved.
[6:26] Second.
[6:27] It's been moved by Alwin and seconded by Artsmith that the Stone Stable
[6:32] be designated as a local landmark.
[6:36] All in favor?
[6:37] This has to be a roll call vote.
[6:39] Oops, excuse me. First discussion. We've had some discussion.
[6:45] Roll call vote.
[6:47] Go right ahead.
[6:48] Alwin?
[6:49] Yes.
[6:51] Kelsey Riley.
[6:52] Yes.
[6:53] Jordan Riley.
[6:54] Yes.
[6:55] Artsmith.
[6:56] Aye.
[6:57] Blackburn.
[6:57] Yes, aye.
[6:59] The Stone Stable then has been designated as a local landmark as of
[7:05] today, which is September 3rd, 2026.
[7:10] It will go on record as being our 29th local landmark.
[7:17] Review and discussion, and we will move right on to considerations and discussions
[7:22] and reports. Review and discuss the Effigy Mounds signage. Kevin?
[7:27] Yes, ma'am.
[7:28] Right ahead. Did you want to-
[7:30] I had no involvement in any of this. I'm just here at your requesting.
[7:35] Okay. Penny, I think that you were the one that-
[7:39] Right
[7:39] ... was particularly interested in all of this.
[7:43] So if you would like to take the floor, please do.
[7:45] Yeah, thank you very much for bringing it up.
[7:47] I kind of wanted an opportunity to take a look at that signage that we already
[7:51] have. Just wanted to get a fair understanding, I think, what some of the history
[7:57] has been in terms of possibly putting something up there, what some of the
[8:03] issues that occurred that we ran into over time.
[8:08] I still am very interested in being able to put something up there.
[8:13] I just see the Effigy Mounds as having the possibility to be a much greater
[8:18] contribution in terms of understanding our history, bringing that history to life
[8:23] for people in the community, as well as maybe being able to bring others in to take
[8:27] a look at it, because other communities who have these similar kinds of mounds
[8:32] certainly I think have optimized what it means to have tourists, you
[8:38] might say, people who are interested, come in and take use of it.
[8:42] And I feel very badly that that isn't what's happening with ours.
[8:46] And I think we made some excellent progress in the last year or two, just since
[8:51] I've kind of begun to be involved and know about things in terms of the
[8:54] maintenance, the physical maintenance of it. We've made some strides in that.
[8:58] I think that's a good thing. I want to see that happen, and I appreciate what Kevin
[9:02] has done on behalf of that. But I am still looking at what can we do
[9:07] further besides that part of it, look at the educational aspect of it, which is
[9:12] very much
[9:14] part of what the Historical Society and the Landmark Commission are involved in.
[9:19] We have these. Karen knows about the cost. Okay?
[9:24] What might be involved in being able to use them.
[9:27] And I guess I'd just really like to hear what you think about that tonight, and
[9:30] what are the pros and cons, and where do we go from here if we do want to do
[9:33] something?
[9:34] Where do you go from here
[9:37] in regards to this thing is listed in this resolution.
[9:43] You would provide in writing to me what your desires are.
[9:48] And not just your desires, but how it's going to happen.
[9:53] And then I would take that and put it on the next park board agenda, and then the
[9:57] park board would discuss it and make
[10:02] decisions.
[10:05] If you aren't happy with those decisions, there is a
[10:13] coordination mechanism where there's a
[10:18] list of people that would then
[10:23] break into a smaller committee to make the final decision.
[10:30] As far as my thoughts on the signs, I think the signs are great.
[10:36] I think they're very antiquated. We don't do stuff like that anymore.
[10:41] We use interpretive signs, like the one that is missing up at the water tower.
[10:46] They are much better, and more... You can design
[10:52] them to offer more useful and modern
[10:58] information and imagery and stuff like that.
[11:02] When we met out with Jamie, what was her last name?
[11:07] Weigel.
[11:08] Weigel. She brought in all these specialists from the DNR and other state
[11:14] agencies. The DNR representative that oversees the mounds in the state, as
[11:20] well as some representatives from the Ho-Chunk Nation, and they do not recommend
[11:25] doing anything like this.
[11:28] So...
[11:32] May I ask a question?
[11:33] Yes, absolutely.
[11:34] Was Jamie Weigel aware of the fact that we have these?
[11:39] I don't think-
[11:40] I don't know what she was aware of and what she wasn't aware of, but we did have
[11:44] discussion, and at that moment, she was aware that we owned these
[11:49] and the overall desire to mount them on the boulders and
[11:55] place them at the mounds and stuff like that, and
[11:59] why the DNR and the Ho-Chunk don't want them.
[12:03] So technically right now, there's signs on the mounds that we put in
[12:10] 15 years ago.
[12:11] Yeah. Right.
[12:12] We can't even take them out if we wanted.
[12:14] No, you can't. They've been there a long time.
[12:17] So, they don't want signage. They would rather have the signage
[12:23] towards the entrance of the park than individual signage on the mounds.
[12:28] Well,
[12:29] again, the signage would not be placed directly on the mounds.
[12:33] It-
[12:34] So my recommendation is to put it in writing, provide it to me, and we'll take it
[12:37] to the park board.
[12:38] What I'm trying to understand, though, is that I know the proposals that go into
[12:43] you are supposed to say, are supposed to contain, what it would look like, what it
[12:47] would say, so on and so forth.
[12:49] Yep.
[12:49] And what I hear you say is that that's not going to be acceptable.
[12:53] I will make the recommendation, and I have the DNR contact information, that we
[12:59] follow what the recommendations are of people that are more knowledgeable on the
[13:07] site and the
[13:10] desires of the people that represent the people that are buried there.
[13:14] I understand that, but you're saying that the Ho-Chunk are saying nothing.
[13:18] And what I think what we're saying is kind of what you alluded to, rather than
[13:23] actually placing something in front of or close by each of the mounds, that it be
[13:28] signage that, kind of like what Yellowline, you come in and kind of have a diagram-
[13:34] Yeah
[13:34] ... that kind of a thing. What you prefer.
[13:36] But that sign, again, needs to be updated.
[13:41] Everything's so antiquated.
[13:43] Right.
[13:43] I lived on a piece of property. I had a mound literally within 20 feet of my door,
[13:48] and there was a brass, bronze plaque on it.
[13:52] The Ho-Chunk weren't
[13:55] overseers of that mound. It was a tribe out of Minnesota.
[13:58] I can't think of the names, but they actually came in and removed it.
[14:01] Okay.
[14:03] And it wasn't on the mound, it was near it.
[14:06] And I think it's
[14:10] not that you don't want people to go and appreciate.
[14:15] There's something, if you haven't been out there, there's something so serene about
[14:19] that run.
[14:22] I don't think it's that they don't want people to
[14:27] be aware of all that. I think they just don't want the... It's a cemetery.
[14:32] They want the respect of
[14:35] people that are there. And so their recommendation was, like I said, the sign as
[14:40] you come into the property.
[14:46] I think interpretive signs,
[14:49] when they came out probably in the mid-'90s, were amazing, but the quality and what
[14:54] you can do with them now is just phenomenal.
[14:57] If you go over to the arboretum, we have one in a giant oak.
[15:01] You can do so much with them and...
[15:07] No, I don't disagree with what you're saying, it's serene.
[15:10] But let me just talk about it from the point of an educator for a minute.
[15:14] If I'm a fourth grade teacher, that a long time ago, and you
[15:20] have Wisconsin history, and you have a resource like that here in the community,
[15:24] and you say, "Wow, what a great field trip for the kids." Okay?
[15:29] You take them there, and you kind of walk around, and
[15:34] it's very hard to make that meaningful for students, I would think, and even for
[15:40] older people like me. When you go in there, part of it has to do with the way
[15:46] that you have been working to kind of accommodate making it more manageable in
[15:51] terms of vegetation and so on, age old what they are.
[15:55] If we can add to that, I know you're continuing to work on that, but if we can add
[16:00] to that with something that involves making it more amenable to use,
[16:06] to practical use, I guess educational use, which is where we sort of come from.
[16:11] That to me would be a positive, and I'm certainly willing to explore that with you
[16:16] about what you do. I do have to take a little bit of,
[16:21] not umbrage, but just a little bit of taking a step back from the Ho-Chunk
[16:27] viewpoint. I appreciate it.
[16:30] I've worked with them off and on, including teaching on the reservation and
[16:34] everything for a number of years. Kind of acquainted with what it is that they want
[16:38] and are concerned about, and I appreciate that.
[16:41] But I also think that there has to be something a little bit realistic about what
[16:45] it is, since it is an artifact or provenance of care to be taken care of, and
[16:50] seeing that it is useful and productive, taking more care to
[16:57] maintain that sacredness, I guess, that we're talking about.
[17:00] It shouldn't preclude us from doing something that is positive.
[17:05] So I'd be very happy to put that-
[17:07] Do we have boulders or plaques over at the cemetery over here with who's buried
[17:10] there?
[17:11] Pardon me?
[17:11] Do we have boulders and plaques with the cemetery over here with who's buried
[17:14] there?
[17:15] No. We sure got a lot of history.
[17:17] But that's their property.
[17:18] That's right.
[17:20] Right, that's the person that's in the ground, that's their choice.
[17:24] I'm not sure that the comparison is apples to apples, but I understand what you're
[17:29] saying.
[17:29] No, but it is a sacred, it is a burial ground.
[17:32] It is sacred to the people that are caretakers.
[17:37] These are not Ho-Chunk people that are buried there.
[17:40] But the caretakers are actually... They're there. Spirit is there.
[17:45] But you take care of them. We take care of them. The city takes care of them.
[17:49] The historical society. We are involved in it as well.
[17:53] And I think we do therefore have some kind of say so.
[17:55] Well, then put it in writing and we'll take it to the park board and you guys can
[17:59] talk it all out.
[18:00] Happy to do that.
[18:01] Yep.
[18:02] Thank you.
[18:03] That will be your assignment then?
[18:05] Yeah.
[18:05] All righty.
[18:09] Any other further discussion regarding the signage at the Peppertree Gardens
[18:14] Reserve? Hearing none, then we will move on.
[18:18] Greg, you are ready. Now, what about Flatiron Park?
[18:28] We switch three and four?
[18:29] We
[18:30] switch. Kevin's also here for five.
[18:35] So put Kevin in front of three. We'll put four, five, three, would be the order.
[18:42] Oh, I just assumed that we would go ahead with Greg.
[18:47] Okay, I'm sorry.
[18:48] Yep. They know the procedure for the rest of it. They don't know what we...
[18:51] That's fine.
[18:53] Okay. Since Greg is the visitor.
[18:57] That's fine.
[19:00] Greg, you ready?
[19:02] Should I come up here?
[19:04] Wherever you're comfortable.
[19:07] I want to thank the board and commission for putting me on the agenda.
[19:12] And I see you've got a bunch of items, so I'll try not to go too long.
[19:20] You've gotten the slideshow.
[19:25] And what that is, I'm pretty substantially going to do a repair and a rebuild on my
[19:31] front porch. And at this point, I have difficulties with city code enforcement.
[19:36] I've run through three deadlines.
[19:38] The last one was mid August, and they informed me that normally you
[19:44] don't get one beyond the third one, though
[19:47] Kathy Smeltzer said they were going to come down and take some more photographs,
[19:52] and they might consider another extension. I haven't heard back from them yet.
[19:56] Why I wanted to come to you is my expectation that I'm not going to get enough
[20:01] time. This is going to go into next year.
[20:04] We're not going to get this done this year.
[20:07] And if I don't get the extension that I think I need, I'm going to appeal it to the
[20:12] city council. If I do, I don't believe that the commission can take an
[20:18] official position on this, but if one or more of you might want to put in a good
[20:23] word in a written letter if I have to appeal to the city council, I would sincerely
[20:28] appreciate that. That's why I wanted to talk to you tonight.
[20:34] The slideshow,
[20:37] get to that in just a moment. I also want to make a point that I'm going to make
[20:42] some concessions on the lateness.
[20:44] They have graduated steps on it if you
[20:50] miss deadlines. First fine is $75, then 200, the third is 400.
[20:56] And I would concede to paying a $400 late fee in exchange for a reasonable
[21:02] completion date of next year. I haven't made that position to Kathy Smeltzer yet,
[21:08] but I'd be willing to do that as a compromise.
[21:11] And I've also
[21:14] last month sent the city a check for $75 for a reinspection fee.
[21:21] If I could just tell you a couple of things about who I am.
[21:28] My name is Greg Bell, and you've seen the house.
[21:30] As of December, I have owned that house for 50 years.
[21:35] I've been on the board of directors of the Historical Society for 45 years, though
[21:39] the first 25 years, we very rarely met.
[21:42] As of this November, I've been treasurer of the Historical Society for 40 years.
[21:49] I was a permanent part-time employee of the Goldberg & Company for 37 years, and
[21:55] I served 16 years on the Landlord Commission.
[21:58] I was the first replacement member back in '83.
[22:03] I served '83 to
[22:06] 1990, and '96 to 2005. Back in '83, I was here up the
[22:12] hallway running everything. So if you would
[22:18] like, we could quickly go to the slideshow.
[22:21] The point I want to make-
[22:23] They have it all in their packets
[22:25] ... Yeah, it's all here, so we don't-- Right.
[22:27] The point I want to make essentially is that
[22:32] it's my opinion, what we're doing here is pretty worthwhile, but we need some time.
[22:37] And additionally, there's two issues I've had with code enforcement.
[22:42] One involved painting of areas, and the other is there's two large braces.
[22:48] Go to number 29 here.
[22:52] There's two large braces that are holding up the porch because we have it all
[22:57] bisected and taken apart. The painting is finished.
[23:00] We finished all the painting
[23:03] most of the last year. You've got photos of that, and a little bit
[23:09] down here, we just finished that a couple of months ago. The painting is finished.
[23:14] The only issue the city has with me is these two braces, and
[23:20] honestly, you can't see them from the street.
[23:24] Drive by there, and if you walk by, find the right place between my bio box
[23:30] and peer up there. Oh, yeah, there they are.
[23:32] My house, because of
[23:36] when it was built, it sits further back from the street than all the other houses
[23:40] except for the Steer mansion. And so that makes this even more inconspicuous.
[23:49] The photos in general just show what we've been doing.
[23:53] Just to give you an idea,
[23:57] this is the one.
[23:59] You might have wondered.
[24:03] Well, for example,
[24:05] here
[24:07] on number 47,
[24:12] that's crown molding up under the south.
[24:16] See 47 and then 46. That's crown molding
[24:22] taken out of existing crown molding,
[24:25] rip it down, recut it, and reuse it, the original crown molding on the house.
[24:31] Your normal roofer and stuff is thrown out, so you never see it again.
[24:38] You look at
[24:41] these photos here, 24 and 25, that's painting the gables back
[24:47] in '05.
[24:49] My helper
[24:52] in '16.
[24:55] Yeah, my helper in 2016 still works for me. That's 20 years ago.
[25:06] Okay. If you wonder why
[25:09] 28, what those beams are there for.
[25:13] Slow it down here, please.
[25:19] Yes, it is. The original posts.
[25:24] There was only two survived when the prior owners tore the porch
[25:29] off.
[25:32] You can see the sort of work they used to do to repair this thing.
[25:38] How these have been cut out, spliced in, and they even got a bevel there.
[25:49] Yeah.
[25:53] Porch.
[26:05] When I bought the house,
[26:10] this is two months, this is number 22. It's two months after I bought the house.
[26:16] The prior owner had torn the porch off, and then they
[26:21] changed their mind about the whole project, put the house up for sale.
[26:26] If you want to pass this around, this one got left out.
[26:33] A real good photo also taken February of...
[26:39] How many years have you been now rebuilding the porch?
[26:42] Or the-
[26:42] The porch? Two years since I got the notice from the city.
[26:47] I will confess I had neglected the front porch because I never used it.
[26:51] I had other projects done.
[26:55] I got the notice from the city, and really, they were right.
[26:58] It was time to get going on that. And we've been working on it pretty steadily for
[27:04] two years.
[27:08] Some of these photos
[27:16] Here,
[27:18] number 45.
[27:21] That's prior to painting the gable.
[27:25] And you see we go,
[27:27] we not only just go down to the wood, we sand it, and the original wood's retained.
[27:33] You can see that also in 44.
[27:36] I don't know if there's anything in the slideshow
[27:43] photos there that you want to ask questions about.
[27:46] As I say, I don't expect that the commission can take a position on this, but I
[27:51] would like all you to be aware of it.
[27:54] And if necessary, maybe I can get a good word from somebody if I have to make a
[27:59] presentation to city council.
[28:02] So, any questions?
[28:05] I'm really in opposite. Can you just explain what the deadlines were and what
[28:09] they're-
[28:09] Excuse me?
[28:10] Can you just explain what the deadlines were and why they were missed, or how they
[28:15] were missed, or what happened?
[28:16] They were missed because
[28:19] we weren't able to get work done by that time.
[28:22] So what work were you being told to do? Was the porch safe or...
[28:28] Well, as far as I... They want the braces out.
[28:32] We can't take the braces out until we rebuild these here.
[28:37] The painting.
[28:38] I see all the pictures. Like-
[28:40] Yeah
[28:40] ... your footings and your foundation here.
[28:43] I just-
[28:43] Yeah, the foundation-
[28:44] What were they telling you you had to do and didn't?
[28:46] Well, they have two issues. The two issues were painting and the braces.
[28:50] The painting's been completed. What's going to slow things down yet, well, first
[28:56] the floor's got to go in. But-
[28:59] Are there additional or different types of bracing that you could use instead of
[29:05] the jacks out in front of the house?
[29:07] Yeah.
[29:07] Could you put in a pier or something to
[29:11] support the-
[29:12] Well, this supports it very well.
[29:14] I know, but it's an appearance thing. It's probably why you're getting the zoning.
[29:19] I've thought about putting a lot of fancy lattice work on it and calling it
[29:23] regular. I've got regulars all around the neighborhood, the other neighbors have
[29:27] them.
[29:27] I-
[29:27] We could try to claim that that was what it was.
[29:32] But I don't think zoning would go.
[29:33] No, I don't think they would either.
[29:35] Repair the porch and remove temporary bracing.
[29:38] Ensure all parts of the home are structurally sound and free from deterioration.
[29:43] It's rebuilding, looking at 53, four, and five.
[29:49] Now, these are original
[29:54] railing assemblies that came with the house when it was built in 1889, and they
[29:59] would've been part of a trim package deal. The builder, P.
[30:04] Marshall, they would've gone down to the railroad yard and got this trim package
[30:08] and put it in.
[30:11] They need
[30:13] work, but it's nothing that we can't handle.
[30:15] And, once they're done, then we install them, and the braces can come out.
[30:22] There's no doubt you're doing quality work on this. It's fantastic.
[30:25] Well, thank you.
[30:28] From someone in the construction background,
[30:32] it's very nice. What can you do to meet the zoning requirements?
[30:38] I'll pay the fines if I have to.
[30:40] But could you install, instead of the temporary bracing, could you put something in
[30:46] there, some posts?
[30:48] It went to citation as of this afternoon.
[30:51] Okay.
[30:52] It's going to municipal court.
[30:57] And I haven't been informed yet?
[30:59] No, they were working on it today.
[31:03] It's going to court. Once you miss the third deadline, that's where it goes.
[31:08] It goes to municipal court.
[31:10] And so then, I pay the fine.
[31:16] Yeah.
[31:17] Yeah.
[31:18] It's a citation in front of Judge Nelson.
[31:23] But what I'm saying is instead of...
[31:26] You have this porch that is a project in itself, but then you have multiple
[31:31] components of this project. Could you put something in to meet the zoning
[31:35] requirements and then work on the sub-projects? You know what I'm saying? So...
[31:43] I suppose floor is going in next. We'd
[31:48] have something to brace down through.
[31:51] It looks like you have a really good foundation on the-
[31:55] Original
[31:56] ... porch itself. Throwing some four by four or six by six posts
[32:01] in, and then working on, okay, you got five of these posts in,
[32:07] then you could work on replacing the one to the historic
[32:12] part of the house. You know what I'm saying?
[32:13] And then work on that railing, and then move to the next post and work on that
[32:18] railing. At least then you have the structure supported.
[32:21] Yeah.
[32:21] And then you can take that temporary bracing off.
[32:24] Well, right.
[32:25] And probably get a little bit of courtesy from zoning
[32:31] as far as their courtesy allows them to go.
[32:36] I'll have to see what the claim structure is.
[32:41] I made the appointment for next Wednesday.
[32:43] Greg. Excuse me. How long have you been working on this project?
[32:47] This? Two years.
[32:49] Two years. And are you working on it persistently on a daily basis?
[32:53] Oh, my helper,
[32:56] he works for JGB as a tech, and he works for them five days every two weeks, and he
[33:02] works with me two days every five week.
[33:05] So we're out there five days every two weeks.
[33:08] Yeah, there's the lawn to be mowed, there's garden work.
[33:15] Right. So it's the porch that's the issue.
[33:19] As long as I have an audience here, I've been here to the city for 50 years, coming
[33:24] this in September. For 47 years, I've never had any issues with the city, and we
[33:30] have oftentimes had ladders and scaffolding up for quite a while.
[33:35] I don't know what has changed now that everyone has become such a stickler for the
[33:39] rules. Especially, you can't see the braces.
[33:45] Just
[33:46] look by and you'll see. I just can't understand why they're so upset about them.
[33:51] Have there been complaints?
[33:53] I'm not playing fully by their guidelines, I guess.
[33:56] Have there been complaints from people?
[33:59] From my neighbors?
[34:00] From anybody about the braces.
[34:02] In the last couple of years, with the hiring of the contractor
[34:08] to enforce our zoning ordinances, they enforce our zoning ordinances.
[34:13] That is their job. That is what they get paid to do.
[34:15] They're going out to look for things to justify their employment.
[34:18] No, they're going out to look for things that are in violation of city ordinances.
[34:23] Yeah, well.
[34:24] City spokes. We have a lot of ordinances. Absolutely.
[34:28] And that is what their job is to do. Leave your trash bin out
[34:34] onto a Friday.
[34:37] My impression with the city used to be that
[34:42] code enforcement acted when there were persistent complaints from
[34:48] citizens.
[34:49] No, that changed two years ago-
[34:51] Well, that's why it's worked-
[34:52] ... when a new ordinance went into effect.
[34:54] Yeah. Yeah.
[34:55] So there's light ordinances, and there's this ordinance and that.
[35:00] You can't have a camper on your lawn without it being on a solid surface.
[35:03] You have to mow your grass. They are put in place to keep the community looking
[35:09] attractive, and this company is
[35:15] enforcing the laws of the city.
[35:20] Well, there you have it. There's the situation.
[35:24] Now, again, I think what you're doing is very-
[35:27] One thing-
[35:27] I would tell you to-
[35:29] One thing that people might ask you about this, the foundation on this is now
[35:35] concrete block, concrete slab, and brick facing.
[35:38] And of course, this house originally had a wood foundation.
[35:42] But the other day, walking by the Bassett house, they have a completely concrete
[35:47] base to it. It looks just fine. This is going to look just fine, too.
[35:52] So even though it's not all the original boards from the floor up, it is going to
[35:56] be original.
[35:59] So, thank you for listening tonight.
[36:00] That's, uh-
[36:02] That's all we can do, Greg.
[36:03] Yeah.
[36:04] We can't make any recommendations one way or the other.
[36:06] Yeah, I didn't expect you could.
[36:08] So thank you for sharing. And I think that Kevin has some very good suggestions for
[36:13] you.
[36:14] We may pursue that idea. Yeah.
[36:16] If you can bring it up to code.
[36:19] Right? Just bring it up to code, then you can, I'm sure, and
[36:25] the young lady sitting next to you would know the answer for sure, but you could
[36:30] probably apply for whatever permit you need to continue to do the
[36:36] restoration. But at least bring it to code now, and then you can continue your
[36:41] restoration, because what you're doing is going to take time.
[36:45] It's out of our hands. It's going to be a judge's decision what the decision will
[36:49] be and what time he gets.
[36:51] Right. But the judge is probably going to give him a bring it up to code in
[36:57] X amount of days. Get it up to code, then you meet that
[37:02] lineup, correct? Maybe, and then you can apply for a permit to continue your
[37:08] construction. But don't tear it all down and put your...
[37:11] Just systematically work through it, because what you're doing is going to take
[37:16] time. You're doing beautiful stuff that people don't know how to do
[37:22] anymore. That's why we tear everything down.
[37:25] He's right to restore it to its original-
[37:28] Yes. Yeah
[37:29] ... which is very much appreciated.
[37:32] Bring it up to code. Whatever it takes to get it up to code.
[37:36] If you got to go to Menards and get a plastic railing to put in between some posts,
[37:41] put a plastic railing in-
[37:43] Yeah
[37:43] ... knowing that you're going to finish it off in the
[37:48] long run.
[37:53] When is that court appearance coming up?
[37:57] We just know that the citations were issued today.
[37:59] I know Allison was working on that with the police department.
[38:04] Sorry.
[38:04] I don't know what I kind of like putting into my brand new
[38:08] $3,500 floor.
[38:12] So it looks like right now you currently have a concrete slab there that you're
[38:15] going to put decking over.
[38:17] Yeah. That's kind of-
[38:18] That's your concrete slab serves as your floor until you...
[38:25] You got to think big picture. You got to bring it up to code first, and then you
[38:29] can go back and do all those details.
[38:30] Well, I guess my next step is to talk to your Cathy Schultz, or what would they
[38:36] take? Or they-
[38:37] I don't even know who Cathy Schultz is.
[38:38] She is the only, the receptionist that answers the phone.
[38:41] Oh, oh.
[38:42] Oh, and it was that zoning company. Yeah.
[38:45] Yeah.
[38:45] Well, then I got to talk to, I just met Al- Allison is who you're-
[38:49] Allison Schwark is not currently available.
[38:52] Yeah. She just had a baby.
[38:53] She just had a baby.
[38:56] But yes.
[38:57] Yeah.
[38:57] Reach out to them,
[38:59] probably...
[39:03] Well, what about this fellow John Messler? Is that his name?
[39:05] He's just the inspector. I don't think he does-
[39:08] It's John Messler. Because some of the stuff could have had a building permit
[39:13] pulled prior to construction, so he went and put a stop work order on it.
[39:19] So we have two issues going on.
[39:21] Well, that's like, uh-
[39:23] The permit's in. Yes.
[39:25] Yeah. The permit is in? You mean you received it or what?
[39:28] Yeah. We have it. I'm waiting for him to review it.
[39:30] Okay, good. Yeah.
[39:32] Yeah, I was unaware that the porch repair, and if you read the city list of what a
[39:37] permit is required for, they're not behind there on a porch repair.
[39:42] Building permits are regulated by state code, state statutes.
[39:48] That's the difference.
[39:50] But yeah, we did have to initially take out a permit for the porch repair, but I
[39:55] quickly got
[39:58] the application in.
[39:59] Mm-hmm.
[39:59] You got it, right?
[40:00] Yeah.
[40:00] Yeah.
[40:00] Yeah. So just in the process of reviewing it.
[40:02] Yeah. Good. Thank you.
[40:05] Well, thank you for your suggestions.
[40:08] Been around the block once.
[40:11] Twice.
[40:12] Hey, don't you tell anyone. I'll handle it.
[40:15] Well, I hope Kevin's comments were helpful to-
[40:18] Yeah, they may be.
[40:20] They were.
[40:20] Just bring it up to code, then you can go back in.
[40:22] We wish you the best of luck in bringing it up to code.
[40:25] Seems that the braces are the issue.
[40:31] Apparently so.
[40:33] Braces out of your way while you're doing work.
[40:38] Nothing really gives a thought what we can put in there
[40:41] that we can work around at the same time.
[40:44] And I would indicate that the sooner, the better.
[40:52] Well, thanks for your time.
[40:53] Thank you. Thank you, having you.
[40:59] You are welcome to stay if you wish.
[41:02] Review and possible approval of recommendation for new signage for Flat Iron Park
[41:07] to the Park and Recreation Board.
[41:13] Mr. Oechsle.
[41:16] So there are some recommendations for what signage could look like.
[41:22] Mm-hmm.
[41:23] In particular, thank you to Kim for putting this together.
[41:29] I'm a big fan of the shape of on page 70.
[41:32] You might be able to go to the-
[41:34] Yeah. I in particular am a big fan of the shape, of design on page 70.
[41:38] I think that's a good thing.
[41:41] I am a fan of the bottom right four in
[41:47] that grid. I'm not personally, but these are some options.
[41:53] Just like the outage mounts,
[41:56] we can only make a recommendation to the park board.
[41:59] Mm-hmm.
[42:00] But I think if we can pick one that we like, or maybe a couple of options that are
[42:05] different shapes, and then give them to our board and say, "We would like to see
[42:10] this, here's why.
[42:13] Here's our suggestions." I think we could
[42:16] see where it could go from there.
[42:20] Yeah, I agree. I like the shape of the ones on page 70.
[42:23] I think it looks like the shape of the park almost, because it's so big and
[42:28] circular.
[42:28] It did get quite warped.
[42:30] I think it's elongated, but it obviously went back again.
[42:38] Would you like us... Is your intent that we select something that we forward to the
[42:44] park?
[42:44] I think our group should select one or two that we really like, and then
[42:50] I'll officially make a motion to recommend that option to our board.
[42:55] All right. What exactly is the difference between the ones that are on page 70?
[43:01] There's
[43:04] no different size wise though, right?
[43:06] No.
[43:06] You know?
[43:07] No, it's just a visual mockup. I just like that one. They're all the same.
[43:11] Yeah, I agree. But-
[43:13] Yeah, they're just different colors.
[43:14] And I'm assuming it's not that long, it looks like.
[43:16] No, it would... Yeah. That one in particular got really warped. Yeah.
[43:23] But no, that would not be how long, but it would have that flat
[43:28] option.
[43:31] Mm-hmm.
[43:31] Is there a particular one that all of you would like to forward to the parks board?
[43:39] I guess I like the gray one at the very bottom right. I feel like the color...
[43:44] Bottom left.
[43:47] Oh, you're looking-
[43:48] Yeah, sorry.
[43:51] I'm looking at them from the other side.
[43:52] Yeah.
[43:52] I'm looking at it vertically.
[43:54] Yeah, so if you were looking, it's bottom left.
[43:56] Yes. Perfect.
[43:57] The gray one.
[43:58] But you said-
[44:00] Yes
[44:00] ... is it these four you like?
[44:02] Yes, sorry. The top right four.
[44:04] The top right four, okay.
[44:06] Like that grid.
[44:08] Okay.
[44:08] But I am also super pro that gray one.
[44:12] Yeah.
[44:14] Can I interject?
[44:16] Certainly.
[44:18] So I worked really hard to get that base to match the white building.
[44:22] Mm-hmm.
[44:23] Just first and foremost, that probably took longer.
[44:27] We had to actually special order that brick façade, so it matched that
[44:33] building. The second thing is, the top part, the
[44:39] green part,
[44:41] we took colors straight out of the city's logo.
[44:44] So keep that in mind as you're making your recommendation.
[44:51] If you look across the street, we have the hunter green with the white lettering
[44:57] in all of our roofs.
[44:59] So if we stay with that, that hunter green is also in the logo.
[45:03] Okay.
[45:03] So we used colors that are already existing in the city's logo when we were
[45:09] deciding the colors. And that brick façade, I really wanted to tie it to the
[45:15] white building so that it wasn't-
[45:17] Mm-hmm
[45:20] You can take colors from the Birch Fountain, which is not the original colors.
[45:24] I just found out yesterday. It is not supposed to be brown, it's white,
[45:31] was the original colors.
[45:34] But just food for thought. Everything came out of the logo.
[45:40] The city manager's really pushing us for branding, and using the colors that
[45:47] are in the approved city logo.
[45:50] So your suggestion would be, on page 70, the upper left-hand
[45:56] corner?
[45:58] Um.
[45:59] Or the one below it?
[46:01] Who did these for you?
[46:03] I made these.
[46:04] You made these?
[46:05] Yeah.
[46:06] My suggestion-
[46:07] Mm-hmm
[46:07] ... would be to wait till next month, and maybe if you could take the colors, and I
[46:11] can give you the color codes off of the existing signs that we have.
[46:17] And actually, if you don't mind, I can send these over to our sign company
[46:23] and have them work something up.
[46:26] That sounds great.
[46:26] But if it costs us anything-
[46:28] Okay. Is that good with you, Kelsey?
[46:31] Yeah. This was a quickie.
[46:32] And then we can see what the existing signs...
[46:37] Because this sign is in every city property has this particular sign.
[46:42] Okay.
[46:42] The colors and everything. So if we
[46:47] bring that in, but I can have them work up some of these other colors, too.
[46:52] So I guess the question would be, what colors do I pull from the logo?
[46:57] Right.
[46:58] And we could do a mock.
[47:00] Yeah, a mock.
[47:00] I can have them work out some different options on it.
[47:05] And he'll actually...
[47:08] Because if, yeah, I'll nitpick a little bit.
[47:12] Mm-hmm.
[47:14] The sign is different than I think any of these photos.
[47:19] It changed the shape of...
[47:23] Right?
[47:23] Right. Yeah.
[47:24] If you actually made that sign that big, that sign would be about this tall.
[47:27] Right. No, I
[47:28] That sign is 12 feet tall.
[47:31] Whoa.
[47:32] So,
[47:35] I'll have him do some perspective.
[47:38] Yeah.
[47:38] So I'm sorry. I just saw this for the first time about 20 minutes before your
[47:43] meeting.
[47:43] Well, I'm glad that you were here to interject and tell us that there were colors
[47:49] that were significant around the facility. We did not know that.
[47:52] Really, that was, I mean, the brick tying that sign.
[47:56] You can say what you want, whether you like the sign or you don't like the sign, I
[48:00] tried to incorporate that facility into it, and then the rest is just off
[48:06] of the logo itself.
[48:09] So you'll take care of this for us around the city?
[48:12] Yeah, I'll work with Ryan. I'll do this for you.
[48:15] Okay.
[48:16] And then I will follow up with Ryan, because he's also the one that's making your
[48:20] missing sign, so.
[48:24] I paid for it, so I don't know where it's at. It might be in the garage somewhere.
[48:27] Okay. Well, we'd really appreciate it-
[48:29] Yeah
[48:30] ... if they've got up it somewhere. If we can find it.
[48:34] Okay.
[48:34] So this will be the same.
[48:35] All right. Is that satisfactory with everybody, that Kevin takes the lead on this
[48:40] for us, and that we bring it back next month for review and-
[48:45] Yep. I guess my only question, just because it did get warm here, do you
[48:51] think the spacing on the sign, would
[48:55] it fill that remaining blank space, or would it leave room for another sign?
[49:00] Is there a future plan?
[49:01] Well, that little red and blue sign cost $50,000 just so you know.
[49:05] What?
[49:06] That's what they donated to get that sign up there.
[49:08] Oh, okay.
[49:14] But let me have him work it up, and what he'll do is, there's DOT
[49:19] standards on signs on as far as traffic options and speed and everything like that.
[49:25] So there's lettering sizes, and I will give him the actual dimensions and let him
[49:31] work it up. And then you could always say, "We want it bigger," "We want it
[49:33] smaller." Whatever you want to do.
[49:36] They're super cool about, it's a local company, they're 45 minutes from here.
[49:43] What are the dimensions of this one?
[49:45] The overall sign is nine feet wide, and it's about 12 foot, six tall.
[49:50] The top section is nine foot tall.
[49:52] Mm.
[49:53] I don't, well-
[49:55] It fits
[49:56] ... yeah. I think it's like 5 or 6 feet. I don't remember off the top of my head.
[50:00] I mean, it's been quite a while since I was into that project.
[50:07] This other one looks monstrous.
[50:09] Which one is that?
[50:11] This one.
[50:13] That really, really tall one.
[50:15] Oh, yeah, that's, yeah.
[50:17] Just-
[50:18] I'm sure-
[50:19] Okay. Yeah.
[50:20] Kelsey, I apologize, but I'm sure, Chad had something to do with this.
[50:24] Oh, yeah.
[50:24] And Chad does not do a very good-
[50:27] No.
[50:29] ... graphic.
[50:31] He takes liberties.
[50:33] Mm-hmm.
[50:36] Perfect. Okay. Then that will come back again next month.
[50:42] Thank you very much, Kevin, for your comment.
[50:44] You guys have a wonderful evening.
[50:46] Thank you.
[50:46] Not that I dislike your company, but...
[50:51] Well, you stick around. We may need you another time.
[50:53] No, I'm good.
[50:56] Thank you.
[50:57] Thank you.
[50:59] All right. Discuss and review, and direct staff as to what the Landmarks
[51:05] Commission would like featured on their webpage for the city website.
[51:09] Actually, in my local computer. Sorry, guys.
[51:11] It's not going to come up there because I'm not logged in.
[51:14] So, we need to split the Landmarks out of the Landmarks Commission.
[51:20] So right now, we have a running outside
[51:25] website that is not active, that...
[51:33] I've taken everything. So this would be attached to the
[51:39] community section of the main page of our website.
[51:44] It currently has our guides.
[51:47] There was an effigy mounds brochure at one point, but nobody has the link for it
[51:52] anymore.
[51:53] I have it if you have it.
[51:54] Okay.
[51:54] But it definitely needs to be redone.
[51:57] Which is fine. There was a Walworth County Historical Society Legacy for Kids, and
[52:03] then we have a bunch of new external webpages.
[52:09] It's the Clio, the Historical Society, the Whitewater Landmarks Tours with Jim Olm,
[52:15] Sculpture Walk, the painted traffic boxes.
[52:22] There's a survey of homes, the Common Council minute books from the 1800s.
[52:28] The Birch Mountain report is on there, and then our listing of landmarks with all
[52:33] of their background information attached.
[52:37] The historic stable will be added to this list.
[52:39] There's a couple that are missing their documentation, and I'm hoping to get that
[52:44] attached. I just got to find it.
[52:47] Okay.
[52:49] One of the options that we have on this website, and that's currently set up to
[52:53] this, is I can do a carousel of 20 photos that can be rotated in and out
[53:00] of different landmarks. So I need to know what you guys would like.
[53:05] I could go in anytime, at any moment, and change whatever photos.
[53:09] If we want to feature a new one for October.
[53:12] Do we want to prominently feature areas, landmarks that are associated
[53:18] with the spirit tour and the other things we can...
[53:22] I mean, there's nothing saying that we have to keep the same photos all the time.
[53:25] Okay. Great.
[53:29] Is the Sharon Water Tower report on there? Is that Maple Ride?
[53:35] It is not, but I can add that on here.
[53:38] And-
[53:38] I guess it is, actually. The Maple Ride report is on here.
[53:41] And
[53:43] further down, we're talking about Discover Whitewater series.
[53:48] Mm-hmm.
[53:49] Could you add them on there?
[53:50] Yes, I could. This page, I am not limited to what I can put on it, it's just the
[53:56] photos that you guys are limited to.
[53:57] Yeah. Okay.
[54:00] So-
[54:00] I just got to get it split from the Landmarks Commission page where it was
[54:05] originally housed.
[54:06] What generated that?
[54:09] When we redid the website, it's kind of an internal policy that's been put into
[54:14] effect, that they want all the boards and commission pages to look identical.
[54:18] Mm. Okay.
[54:19] So if somebody goes to one page, they know that if they go to the next board, it's
[54:25] going to be the exact same information-
[54:28] Right down to the last thing. Landmarks is the only one that had extra information.
[54:34] It's always been different. I think it's because they have the top.
[54:38] Like, if someone's looking for information on how we support our local landmarks or
[54:43] designate them, we can direct them to the Boards and Commissions page.
[54:46] But if they're looking for information about Whitewater's landmarks, blanket, then
[54:51] we direct them to the
[54:54] regular Landmarks page.
[54:56] Yeah. Well, if you're comfortable, Lana, with doing all of that.
[55:03] Mm-hmm.
[55:03] Any suggestions? Would you like to make suggestions which photos appear first?
[55:14] Maybe we should appear first with the Stone Stable.
[55:19] We have-
[55:19] Get us in trouble again.
[55:25] Yes, the water tower.
[55:28] I was thinking Stone Stable because it was new, the birch fountain, and the water
[55:32] tower just because for fundraising purposes, I thought those would be-
[55:37] Right, and they're rather iconic.
[55:38] Mm-hmm.
[55:40] With the spirit tour coming up, certainly the water tower.
[55:44] Yeah.
[55:44] The Oak Grove Cemetery.
[55:46] Yeah.
[55:47] Should appear, and probably the Hamilton House.
[55:54] Are we going to keep on picturing the Territorial
[55:59] Oak? I mean...
[56:01] Just out?
[56:02] I mean, I think it deserves recognition. It's something.
[56:07] Oh, yes.
[56:08] But I don't know if it's needing to keep the picture up in there.
[56:11] Well, we don't have to have it in our first 20.
[56:19] 20 go around.
[56:22] I'm for putting the stable in.
[56:23] I was thinking Bassett House because of its 100th anniversary this year.
[56:27] Thank you.
[56:33] Is there an obscure landmark that people wouldn't necessarily think of?
[56:38] Is there an obscure landmark that maybe people wouldn't necessarily think of that
[56:41] we could put towards the start?
[56:45] Well, Walnut Park is probably one of the obscure landmarks.
[56:49] Mm-hmm.
[56:52] Perhaps some of the newer landmarks.
[56:55] For example, the Ellen Long House.
[57:01] Uh-huh.
[57:01] The F. Smartness House.
[57:06] The Mauch Heritage Site.
[57:09] Yeah.
[57:09] I think, yes.
[57:12] How many?
[57:17] We're only up to 10.
[57:19] Oh, okay.
[57:22] They rotate. Yeah.
[57:24] Right, yeah. They'll go back in there.
[57:25] No. It's a match of 20 that I can put into the- Yeah ... the carousel.
[57:30] That looks like a good amount.
[57:32] I would also put the mural.
[57:36] The Prairie Killer mural-
[57:39] Yeah
[57:40] ... on there.
[57:41] Because what I'm going to end up doing is I'm going to send media services, I'm
[57:44] going to put in a request that we get new photos of all of these to put on the
[57:48] website.
[57:51] Could you say you want to start us off with Walnut Park Cemetery?
[57:54] We only got to eight.
[57:57] Well-
[57:57] That's a...
[57:59] Basically, there's got to be a different way to angle it or something so that you
[58:05] can-
[58:05] Absolutely
[58:06] ... see them.
[58:08] Yeah.
[58:09] In a group.
[58:10] I wonder, a photo of the historic Main Street area
[58:16] would be worthwhile. Like, a photo of Main Street, such as downtown, the historic
[58:21] area.
[58:22] Sure.
[58:23] Including-
[58:24] Actually, the funny thing is, the historic district for Main Street includes none
[58:28] of downtown.
[58:29] No. None of it's downtown at all.
[58:31] Not that way.
[58:32] The historic district on Main Street is from Fremont Street to furry.
[58:38] That's what I understood. I'm still trying to get my head around that one.
[58:42] Yeah.
[58:43] A photo of the district. Something...
[58:47] Do we have any old photos of the signs, and then designate it as-
[58:52] Historic district
[58:53] ... yeah.
[58:55] We can take a picture of the one in Belden now.
[59:02] I don't know.
[59:02] Just a suggestion.
[59:05] The depot.
[59:07] Oh, yeah. We actually have a really good picture of the depot running around right,
[59:11] that they've been... As long as they've been taking depot photos.
[59:15] One of the... I don't know if you're familiar with Jeff McDonald,
[59:21] who is a photographer.
[59:23] Mm-hmm.
[59:24] A very good photographer, who did a series of photos for me for the American 250
[59:29] exhibit at the Arts Alliance building.
[59:32] Mm-hmm.
[59:33] And he took, I believe it was nine photos. I don't know if he would...
[59:37] I have the photos. They're framed.
[59:39] I don't know if he would be willing to share his digital photos with us so that you
[59:44] could put them on.
[59:45] Mm-hmm.
[59:45] You wouldn't need to...
[59:47] Actually, we should credit him.
[59:49] Oh, yeah. They're very good.
[59:50] Yeah.
[59:50] He's a quality photographer.
[59:52] They're exceptional.
[59:54] So, that would be at least nine of them.
[59:58] Mm-hmm.
[1:00:01] Media services, we're always looking for something.
[1:00:03] Not that they aren't busy, but sometimes we want them to expand their horizons a
[1:00:09] little.
[1:00:09] Oh, okay.
[1:00:12] All right, so we have 11 now-
[1:00:14] Yeah
[1:00:14] ... with the depot.
[1:00:15] Mm-hmm.
[1:00:15] So we need nine more. Is it...
[1:00:19] I nominate the protection classic.
[1:00:22] We can leave those at the discretion of city staff.
[1:00:27] Try again.
[1:00:28] We can leave those at the discretion of city staff based on the photos they
[1:00:31] receive.
[1:00:32] The photos they have.
[1:00:37] The other individual that would have photos, I believe, is
[1:00:41] Tom Voll.
[1:00:42] Mm-hmm.
[1:00:46] I'm sorry. I ran away because-
[1:00:49] Who knows about photography as well, and was the individual that did the Landmarks
[1:00:54] Commission brochure the last time.
[1:00:56] So he should have the whole digital.
[1:01:01] Yeah.
[1:01:02] Tom Voll.
[1:01:04] We have found a collection of historic Whitewater-
[1:01:08] Oh, my goodness
[1:01:09] ... that we have printed, that we made big photos.
[1:01:11] So they're all over right now, city hall. So we have the files for these.
[1:01:16] But they're not landmarks.
[1:01:18] No.
[1:01:19] Yeah.
[1:01:20] Unless you wanted something...
[1:01:22] No.
[1:01:22] Right.
[1:01:22] I think we need to stay with landmarks.
[1:01:25] Yep.
[1:01:25] Personally.
[1:01:27] Okay.
[1:01:29] Are those going to be... Where did you say those are now?
[1:01:31] They're all over the-
[1:01:33] Yeah. We found them. We had the files for them, so we found them.
[1:01:37] We made prints of them and put them... There's some downstairs or somewhere, right?
[1:01:42] There's some more.
[1:01:44] Mm-hmm.
[1:01:44] They're pretty neat.
[1:01:45] Okay.
[1:01:49] Shall we move on?
[1:01:51] Discussion and possible approval of the new landmarks
[1:01:55] designation online application.
[1:01:59] Can you bring that up, Lana, or no?
[1:02:01] No, it's in your packet.
[1:02:03] Okay. But yeah, I-
[1:02:05] They don't like the packet, I know. Here, let me...
[1:02:13] Forms. Yep, pages. Yeah,
[1:02:18] pages.
[1:02:19] The packet just reads like that. Landmark first, right?
[1:02:24] Hmm?
[1:02:26] Or at least the packet I have in my email.
[1:02:30] Yeah, I don't have it.
[1:02:31] Only pulls up that brochure.
[1:02:32] I don't have three.
[1:02:33] That's why I asked you if you could bring it up.
[1:02:36] Yep.
[1:02:38] You can.
[1:02:39] I can.
[1:02:40] I have it.
[1:02:41] Oh, I have it, yeah.
[1:02:45] Oh, okay.
[1:02:48] How did I include that? What the heck?
[1:02:57] But the way it looks online is a little bit weird how I get...
[1:03:03] So this is the actual form. This is what somebody would see when they're filling it
[1:03:07] out.
[1:03:09] Nobody can see it.
[1:03:11] I need to go back.
[1:03:13] Yeah.
[1:03:14] Yeah. All right, let's try it. So this is how it's going to look, which I have to
[1:03:19] touch screen.
[1:03:26] Each part has a different designation, but it literally
[1:03:31] runs straight up and down.
[1:03:35] Let me see.
[1:03:42] That's in the July packet. Mm-hmm.
[1:03:44] Point
[1:04:03] of personal reference, may I see the screen?
[1:04:06] The screen that she's working on.
[1:04:09] I'm actually working currently on
[1:04:12] just looking at our agenda records right now.
[1:04:14] Oh. Oh, sorry.
[1:04:16] Yeah, let me see if I can pull it up that way. I probably should make it bigger.
[1:04:22] I
[1:04:22] have
[1:04:29] it right here.
[1:04:30] Yeah. Why don't I just-
[1:04:31] Are you going to pull it up?
[1:04:32] Yeah.
[1:04:45] There's
[1:05:30] a landmark form. So currently it looks like this.
[1:05:35] This is the one that I filled in, because it's currently not online.
[1:05:40] It goes through
[1:05:43] name of the building. Anything with a red asterisk has to be filled out.
[1:05:49] N/A's are allowed if somebody doesn't know the information.
[1:05:54] It has its categories, it's ownership,
[1:06:01] public acquisition. Yeah.
[1:06:03] Can you go back to ownership?
[1:06:05] Okay.
[1:06:07] Why both?
[1:06:09] That's what was on the original application, both.
[1:06:13] There are some landmarks that could have both. Why?
[1:06:19] I don't know. But it had both on the original one because that's where I pulled it
[1:06:23] from.
[1:06:24] I can't find it on the original.
[1:06:28] Make a note of both.
[1:06:37] Just for clarification, are we looking at the
[1:06:43] landmark application?
[1:06:44] Yes.
[1:06:45] Okay.
[1:06:46] That is the landmarks application, a draft of it. It's currently not finalized.
[1:06:51] It said
[1:06:55] under
[1:07:05] three
[1:07:12] classes.
[1:07:13] Public
[1:07:16] acquisition would've been what happened with the Hamilton House when it was
[1:07:19] originally disarray and couldn't find an owner. The city actually became the owner.
[1:07:24] So if a city purchases a landmark property, that
[1:07:30] was what that public acquisition means.
[1:07:35] It doesn't happen often.
[1:07:39] Hamilton House is the only example that I found of that.
[1:07:46] I would think that anyone could nominate a landmark.
[1:07:51] Mm-hmm.
[1:07:52] I would think that that might...
[1:07:58] No.
[1:08:00] You want it off?
[1:08:01] I think I would take it off, personally.
[1:08:05] The city would know if they were involved with something like that.
[1:08:08] That's where it would be. I
[1:08:11] would take that off.
[1:08:15] Item number seven.
[1:08:18] Yeah.
[1:08:19] Yeah.
[1:08:20] But as for the ownership, both option
[1:08:26] in the original form is under number three, classification.
[1:08:29] Right.
[1:08:30] Okay.
[1:08:30] It does say both.
[1:08:31] Yeah, it does say both.
[1:08:32] It does. Okay. Oh, yes it does.
[1:08:37] That doesn't make sense either.
[1:08:40] The only way that I think that could happen is if you have a
[1:08:45] privately owned
[1:08:48] property with a publicly owned building on it, which could happen, but that would
[1:08:54] be rare.
[1:08:55] Or if there's a landmarked property that spans both public and private property,
[1:09:01] like the landmark building that I think sits on both.
[1:09:05] I'm thinking more the effigy miles, if it had been private and it was spanning two
[1:09:10] properties.
[1:09:11] Yeah, it might span across multiple parcels that are public versus private.
[1:09:16] Oh, yeah, but she knows it doesn't, though.
[1:09:18] No, but I think that's-
[1:09:20] That's why that provision is in there, in case it happened.
[1:09:23] Or in case, yeah, I think-
[1:09:25] Something like that.
[1:09:26] All right. Keep both in the ownership then?
[1:09:30] Yeah, leave it.
[1:09:34] I think public acquisition should go then.
[1:09:36] Okay, number seven gone.
[1:09:41] Data status.
[1:09:44] Mm-hmm.
[1:09:46] Accessibility.
[1:09:47] Mm-hmm.
[1:09:49] Present use.
[1:09:53] Obviously, when I filled this one out, four.
[1:09:56] It should be are there more?
[1:09:58] Oh, yeah.
[1:09:58] Okay, good.
[1:10:00] Mm-hmm.
[1:10:01] Fine. Good.
[1:10:03] Mm-hmm. Good.
[1:10:07] Type.
[1:10:12] These
[1:10:22] are all the survey information.
[1:10:25] Condition.
[1:10:30] Condition. Unaltered, altered.
[1:10:32] I think it should be-
[1:10:34] Check one. Original site, obviously, like if it's unstable it would've been moved.
[1:10:44] Period.
[1:10:46] Mm-hmm. You need to-
[1:10:48] I did add because the original form did not go into the 2000, so I did add the
[1:10:53] 2000s and
[1:10:55] forward because-
[1:10:58] Correct
[1:10:59] ... you never know. It's done.
[1:11:03] Repaired.
[1:11:03] Huh?
[1:11:04] Repaired.
[1:11:05] Oh, repaired. Well, you never know.
[1:11:07] A building could be constructed by an architect that has significance or-
[1:11:13] Correct.
[1:11:14] Areas of significance.
[1:11:16] Yeah.
[1:11:16] Obviously, there's quite a bit of choice here, all based off the old
[1:11:21] form.
[1:11:22] Mm-hmm.
[1:11:24] Other specific dates, if somebody knows if it's constructed.
[1:11:29] If not, they would have the option in here to put N/A's or whatever.
[1:11:35] If it's not somebody from Landmarks or who understands the landmark, they could put
[1:11:40] N/A's.
[1:11:44] Acreage, parcel identification number.
[1:11:49] This is one that I toyed with, of putting it as required,
[1:11:55] because unless you know where to go in the GIS map, I'm going to get a lot of phone
[1:11:59] calls.
[1:11:59] You're exactly right.
[1:12:10] Mm-hmm. I can add that later.
[1:12:11] Yeah.
[1:12:14] I would leave it there in case someone does know, but I would not make it required.
[1:12:20] Yeah, you can remove the little red star.
[1:12:23] Yeah.
[1:12:29] Verbal boundary description and justification.
[1:12:33] So this is where somebody could type
[1:12:36] why they think it's important. This is that whole summary section, and yes, it
[1:12:40] looks like it's only one line, but as soon as they start typing, it just keeps
[1:12:44] going.
[1:12:45] Expanding.
[1:12:45] Yeah.
[1:12:46] And it expands with...
[1:12:50] One of the major complaints about this former designation was When you
[1:12:56] started typing
[1:12:59] Yes. No, it maintains the actual font size.
[1:13:02] Good. That is very important. That would be my big thing, is
[1:13:08] that font size remains.
[1:13:09] And then obviously,
[1:13:11] put the form-
[1:13:13] Mm-hmm
[1:13:13] ... the organization address, email.
[1:13:16] Now, obviously noticeable data, they're not going to have a lot of this.
[1:13:19] This is stuff that I thought probably not required.
[1:13:26] Most of the time, they're not going to know their zoning district.
[1:13:29] We have all this online, but people don't look.
[1:13:33] No. Or know where.
[1:13:35] Or know where to look.
[1:13:36] Yeah. I would think that's not required.
[1:13:38] Yeah. Okay.
[1:13:46] And then, obviously, we have for our pick, once it goes to paper,
[1:13:52] we can,
[1:13:54] hearing dates, set all the information that we would put inside so that-
[1:14:00] That needs to be included.
[1:14:01] Yeah.
[1:14:03] Okay. Great.
[1:14:06] So that was the application we presented in July and brought back, because Patty
[1:14:10] wasn't here to provide information, so we just tabled it and brought it back to
[1:14:14] you.
[1:14:15] Thank you for doing that. It looks a lot nicer.
[1:14:19] That's great.
[1:14:20] I would entertain a motion to approve.
[1:14:23] I move to approve with the amendments discussed.
[1:14:26] Second.
[1:14:27] It's been moved by Arnesmith and seconded by Chelsea Riley. Any discussion?
[1:14:37] I'll get an email when it is publicly available on the website.
[1:14:42] I can do that. Thank you.
[1:14:45] All in favor?
[1:14:47] Aye. Aye.
[1:14:48] Opposed? Motion is carried. And you will let us know when it goes active?
[1:14:53] It'll go active probably tomorrow.
[1:14:55] Okie dokie. Great.
[1:14:58] It takes me about less than a couple of minutes to clean up the form, and I just
[1:15:03] hit publish and put in the codes link.
[1:15:05] Thank you. Greatly appreciated. Yeah.
[1:15:11] Review and discuss Discover Whitewater Series on Historic Landmarks.
[1:15:15] I don't know if you've seen
[1:15:18] the website for Discover Whitewater, but
[1:15:23] it is...
[1:15:25] In fact, here's my little paper here.
[1:15:29] And I'm not sure I'm pronouncing her name correctly.
[1:15:35] Correct for me.
[1:15:37] No?
[1:15:37] No.
[1:15:38] Christine Koslowsky Charnecki-
[1:15:41] Oh
[1:15:41] ...
[1:15:43] is the one that was in contact. And there is
[1:15:49] a link if you want to view it. Just go to world wide web
[1:15:53] discoverwhitewater.org/historic-landmarks.
[1:15:58] And she did a really, really nice job. I will have to say that.
[1:16:02] So it's just another avenue of advertising just for us, really.
[1:16:09] And if you go to that site, she's
[1:16:13] quite nice. I just wanted to bring it to your attention and-
[1:16:19] Looks great.
[1:16:21] Yeah, isn't it? I think it's really nice.
[1:16:24] What is her
[1:16:26] capacity? What is she?
[1:16:29] She is the individual that
[1:16:32] maintains Discover Whitewater,
[1:16:36] their website.
[1:16:41] And I think she works specifically with,
[1:16:46] would it be Jeff Knight?
[1:16:49] Corrin, are you familiar with Jeff Knight?
[1:16:51] I am,
[1:16:53] but I don't think it's-
[1:16:54] Does Jeff have anything to do with Discover Whitewater? I thought he did.
[1:16:58] I know him related to the Greater Whitewater Commission.
[1:17:03] Okay.
[1:17:05] Corrin is the head of Discover.
[1:17:07] Is the Chamber of Commerce-
[1:17:10] She is both, I believe.
[1:17:12] Okay.
[1:17:13] Yeah. So I think it's Corrin.
[1:17:15] Okay. So this is a Chamber of Commerce effort?
[1:17:19] Yeah. It says the Historical Landmarks Map.
[1:17:23] If you look on the website, it's actually under Corrin's name, so-
[1:17:25] Okay. It is under Corrin's name. Okay.
[1:17:28] Yeah.
[1:17:28] And Christine Koslowsky.
[1:17:30] Probably did the website updates-
[1:17:32] Okay
[1:17:32] ... but Corrin was driving the initiative.
[1:17:35] Okay.
[1:17:35] Would be my guess. We should let them know also that the stone stable is official
[1:17:41] so they can add it to the site.
[1:17:43] Yes. Okay, will do.
[1:17:47] Steph has a question over here. I'm going to assume you would like a link on your
[1:17:52] website to that Discover Whitewater-
[1:17:55] Yes
[1:17:56] ... yeah. Okay.
[1:17:56] Exactly.
[1:17:57] Just making sure.
[1:17:58] Absolutely. After all the work they've done,
[1:18:03] we need to give them some credit as well.
[1:18:05] And I will update her with the stone stable that was
[1:18:11] approved this evening. Okay.
[1:18:16] Review and discuss the Engelbrechtsendorff House located at 922 West Main.
[1:18:22] As you know, it's for sale. Jerry Wendt has moved to
[1:18:29] Fairhaven, so the house is basically vacant.
[1:18:33] Hopefully, it will be sold to someone that will reopen it as a bed and breakfast.
[1:18:39] At this point, it has not been sold, yet.
[1:18:45] The realtor has been informed that it is a local landmark, so there should be no
[1:18:50] complications there whatsoever with the individuals that purchase it.
[1:18:54] I received a call on it today.
[1:18:57] You did?
[1:18:57] Yes, from a potential buyer.
[1:18:59] Oh, my goodness.
[1:19:01] However, the realtor is only providing that it is a national historical landmark
[1:19:07] and not
[1:19:09] saying it's a local landmark, and I had to explain to them that there is a
[1:19:14] difference with a little bit more restriction on what is...
[1:19:19] And as soon as I said that, the restrictions to the zoning, it looked like they
[1:19:23] were not interested.
[1:19:27] Restrictions to the zoning?
[1:19:29] Is it an R-3 and what you can do inside of it, and under what-
[1:19:32] No, you can do anything you want inside.
[1:19:35] It's-
[1:19:35] It's not... But on the zoning, you can't.
[1:19:37] There's only certain businesses that can go into the zoning.
[1:19:40] There's only certain-
[1:19:42] Not really into it, it's like Marci says-
[1:19:43] Okay. Yeah
[1:19:45] ... there are other limitations.
[1:19:47] There are zoning limitations, too, with zoning code.
[1:19:50] Okay.
[1:19:52] Oh, dear. Okay.
[1:19:55] Because they had been informed, the realtor had been informed that it was a local
[1:20:00] landmark.
[1:20:00] They're only saying it's a
[1:20:03] national landmark.
[1:20:03] It's on the National Registry.
[1:20:05] Mm-hmm.
[1:20:05] It's on the National Registry by...
[1:20:12] Because it's in the national or-
[1:20:15] Yeah
[1:20:15] ... historic district.
[1:20:16] That's the only information they're providing.
[1:20:19] Okay. Well, I will give them a call.
[1:20:22] Unless you set them straight.
[1:20:24] I set the one... I will call the realtor, though.
[1:20:27] I won't. Okay.
[1:20:30] Review and discuss the updating of the Landmark brochure.
[1:20:35] We are behind with the Landmark brochure.
[1:20:40] We need to add the additional landmarks. I can't remember.
[1:20:44] Off the top of my head, but now we're up to 29 landmarks.
[1:20:49] And when I did contact the Chamber of Commerce,
[1:20:56] who had helped print the last brochure,
[1:20:59] they are willing to go ahead, and it was last year that I contacted them.
[1:21:06] They are willing to go ahead... At that point, they were willing to go ahead and
[1:21:10] have the brochure reprinted for us.
[1:21:13] We, of course, would have to have Tom Full, who was the individual
[1:21:19] that did the design of the brochure that was printed in 2019,
[1:21:25] update it. But
[1:21:30] what do you think? Should we move ahead, or should we wait?
[1:21:36] When are designations on our visible horizon that we can go for it?
[1:21:46] Too soon to go.
[1:21:48] Without data.
[1:21:48] Should we go ahead?
[1:21:50] The 29 includes the stone stable?
[1:21:52] Yes. 29 includes, that is the 29.
[1:21:57] How many are there, really? 20, right?
[1:22:01] So I will, again, meet with Corrin, the commission,
[1:22:07] and everybody else that was there, and hopefully they will approve it and let us
[1:22:13] move forward with the reprint. I would like to contact Tom Full with
[1:22:19] regard to that, if they're in compliance with it, simply because he has all of the
[1:22:25] digital things for the brochure, and certainly can arrange
[1:22:31] what we have. But
[1:22:34] we've got to fit 29 in now instead of the few that are there, so it will look a bit
[1:22:40] different.
[1:22:43] Any questions on that?
[1:22:46] All right.
[1:22:51] Let us move ahead with future agenda items.
[1:22:54] Sign a park sign.
[1:22:56] Pardon?
[1:22:56] The sign our park sign.
[1:22:59] Got that?
[1:23:00] Okay.
[1:23:04] Penny? Penny, you're going to draft some kind of a-
[1:23:10] I can't guarantee it's going to be by next month already, but I will be working on
[1:23:14] that.
[1:23:14] Okay. On the FFG amounts, Penny will be working on a draft for the parks
[1:23:21] board.
[1:23:26] Anything else we need to bring
[1:23:27] back?
[1:23:36] Let's put the landmarks brochure back on.
[1:23:40] Need to say anything
[1:23:40] else?
[1:23:51] No.
[1:23:51] Okay. I'm sure something else will pop up, but
[1:23:57] all right.
[1:23:59] Since our business is concluded, I actually have the right, according to Roberts
[1:24:02] Rules of Order, to
[1:24:04] adjourn the meeting. Thank you very much. Enjoy your evening.