1 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,640 and welcome to the Township of 2 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,400 Whitewater Region's budget committee 3 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,560 meeting for Wednesday, January 14th. 4 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,159 It's noon and we're going to call 5 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:54,640 ourselves to order. 6 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,879 Uh, and just before we do the, uh, land 7 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:00,080 acknowledgement, which I was going to 8 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,439 ask councelor Bell to do, 9 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:05,599 if he's prepared to do it in a moment. 10 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:08,319 Um, and just, uh, I just wanted to 11 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:11,439 recognize that we have a new clerk 12 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:13,920 filling the role today. So, Kim Balmer 13 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,919 is in uh, called in just on a contract. 14 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:20,160 Our normal clerk is just not available 15 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,880 right now. Uh so in order to make sure 16 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,560 that we could facilitate the meeting as 17 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,360 as much as possible with the CEO's full 18 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,000 attention on the um the budget 19 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,600 discussion 20 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,240 uh we've asked for a secondary qualified 21 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,280 clerk to come in and clerk our meeting. 22 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:41,120 So be patient if I am not giving the 23 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,199 cues correctly. I'm sure Mr. Balmer here 24 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:49,430 will just elbow me. 25 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,040 » Excellent. 26 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,040 Good. And with that, I will hand the 27 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,360 floor over to councelor Bell for uh our 28 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,600 land acknowledgement, please. 29 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,030 >> As we gather, we'd like to acknowledge 30 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:59,040 » As we gather, we'd like to acknowledge 31 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,560 on behalf of the township of Whitewater 32 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,840 region and our community that we are 33 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,520 meeting on the traditional territory of 34 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,120 the Algangquin people. We thank the 35 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,800 Alongquin people and express our respect 36 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,240 and support for their rich history and 37 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,840 we are extremely grateful for their many 38 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:11,520 and continued displays of friendship. We 39 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,880 also thank all the generations of 40 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,320 indigenous people who have taken care of 41 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,199 this land for thousands of years. 42 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,270 >> Thank you for that. Uh, next item on our 43 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:19,280 » Thank you for that. Uh, next item on our 44 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:20,800 agenda, and I'll just remind people that 45 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,280 might be, you know, aware of our usual 46 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,039 agenda. Because it's a committee 47 00:05:25,039 --> 00:05:27,759 meeting, our procedural bylaw has uh 48 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:30,080 kind of an abbreviated agenda format. 49 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,000 So, we go directly into the approval of 50 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,639 our agenda. And I don't have a 51 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:38,400 resolution here, but I am going to say 52 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,560 uh the recommendation is that the budget 53 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,440 committee approve the agenda as 54 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,840 provided. Can I get a mover in a second, 55 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:47,440 please? Moved by the deputy mayor, 56 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,440 seconded by councelor Trim. Is there 57 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,360 anybody who'd like to make an amendment 58 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,560 or change to the agenda? 59 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,240 I see none. And with that, we'll call 60 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,080 for the vote. All those in favor? And 61 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,240 it's carried unanimously. Thank you. The 62 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,919 next is our approval of some minutes. 63 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:03,199 And we have a number of minutes here 64 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:05,919 from December 8th and December 11th. And 65 00:06:05,919 --> 00:06:08,000 they are enclosed and available. The 66 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,199 recommendation is that the budget 67 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:11,280 committee approve the December 8th and 68 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,680 11th, 2025 budget committee meetings 69 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,240 minutes. A move in a seconder, please. 70 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Moved by councelor Mstead, seconded by 71 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,199 councelor White. 72 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,600 Uh, any errors or omissions noted by any 73 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,520 member of council 74 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,199 committee? 75 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:28,800 None. We'll call for the vote. All those 76 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,039 in favor? It's carried unanimously. 77 00:06:31,039 --> 00:06:33,680 Thank you. Uh, declarations. Is there 78 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,199 any declarations that need to be made by 79 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:38,880 any member of this committee? 80 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,960 I see none. We'll move on to item number 81 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,280 one 82 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:47,199 which is our uh budget presentation 83 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:49,120 and the recommendation is that the 84 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,560 budget committee of the township of 85 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,880 whitewater region recommends three 86 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,199 things. The first one the mayor present 87 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,560 the 2026 operating capital operating 88 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,240 capital and user fee budgets as 89 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,240 finalized by the budget committee that 90 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,680 the council of the township whitewater 91 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,680 region enact bylaws to adopt the mayor's 92 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,720 2026 budget as recommended. and three, 93 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,639 continuing the development of a 10-year 94 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:13,039 capital plan based on the funding based 95 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:15,919 on funding and the 2026 asset management 96 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:18,240 plan with the budget committee. A mover 97 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,759 and a seconder, please. Okay, that's 98 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:22,080 moved by councelor Olmstead 99 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,440 and seconded by councelor Moore. 100 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,000 Uh CIO, you going to provide a leadin to 101 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:30,720 the discussion? 102 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,110 >> Yeah, absolutely. So, we'll go ahead and 103 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:33,120 » Yeah, absolutely. So, we'll go ahead and 104 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,240 and commence the 2026 uh draft budget 105 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,759 presentation. I think this would 106 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:39,520 finalize the intent of today's 107 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,919 presentation is to finalize 108 00:07:41,919 --> 00:07:44,560 uh the the the 2026 budget and to 109 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,639 continue discussions on our on our on 110 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:49,840 our five-year projections. Um so I just 111 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,840 want to start by thanking uh the mayor 112 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,960 together with council um for for the 113 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,039 involvement. I think with these changes 114 00:07:57,039 --> 00:07:59,039 changes in legislation, strong mayors, I 115 00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:00,720 think that the the collaboration of all 116 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,479 of council together with staff, together 117 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:04,319 with the public, I think it demonstrates 118 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:06,800 that we're working in this democratic 119 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,440 system. I just want to recognize that 120 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,039 first staff, we appreciate the 121 00:08:11,039 --> 00:08:13,120 involvement and and the inclusion of all 122 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,400 members of council, staff, and the 123 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,440 public in the process. Um, 124 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,199 what's going to be presented today is 125 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,759 sort of a refined version of our 126 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,280 previous budget presentations. We've 127 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,759 reduced it down to 60 I think 67 slides 128 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:28,879 from well I think over 100. So uh we 129 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:29,759 should be able to go through it 130 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,000 relatively relatively quick. Uh noting 131 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,719 that um we have sort of refined the 132 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:37,760 presentation recognizing that based on 133 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,919 our our observations that there'll be 134 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,000 more deliberations on certain certain 135 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,120 topics. Uh namely the capital capital 136 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,720 budget I think is is one of the areas 137 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,399 where there'll be sort of more 138 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:50,160 discussion. We feel as though the 139 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,920 deliberations from council were were a 140 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,839 bit less on the operating and and I 141 00:08:53,839 --> 00:08:55,680 think there's we're going to go over it 142 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,920 to some degree but uh but we'll we've 143 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,760 refined that quite a bit. Water 144 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,800 wastewater is is is shaped by our our 145 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,320 financial plan and our our water 146 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,640 wastewater rate study. So I mean it al 147 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,320 the recommendations from staff to 148 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,240 council align with that plan. So it's 149 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,360 it's pretty uh pretty direct from the 150 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,000 plan. Um and then the the the 151 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,600 projections. So the projections is 152 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,279 something we've presented to council at 153 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:21,440 a previous budget meeting. They're 154 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,399 unfunded. Uh they present a lot of 155 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:27,760 constraints um a lot of uh competing 156 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,880 priorities. Uh and I think that uh you 157 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,279 know in order to progress forward we 158 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,680 need to manage the 2026 budget and move 159 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,240 it towards approval uh and continue the 160 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,080 the conversation on these projections. I 161 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,440 I don't think we're going to be able to 162 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,600 complete uh this idea of 5-year 163 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,839 projections uh in the time frame of 164 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:47,680 getting this budget approved and 165 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:49,519 approving the 2026 budget will allow 166 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:50,800 staff to move forward with the 167 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,399 implementation of the budget. So whether 168 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,080 it's going to tender, whether it's 169 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,080 issuing RFPs or procuring things, we can 170 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,399 move forward with that and try to get in 171 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,040 it uh ahead of the other communities are 172 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,480 all doing the exact same thing as us. Um 173 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,839 so the the we'll recap the um the the 174 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:10,720 the uh where we stand on the percentage 175 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,640 of operating in capital. I will 176 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,240 highlight that we're at 1.6% 177 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,320 uh increase on the levy for uh for 178 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,720 operating and that's net of our growth. 179 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,680 Um and that includes the the the removal 180 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:25,920 of reserves for OP and the like. And 181 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,320 then we're we're following that 4.2% 182 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,160 capital which is the 4.2 2 which we've 183 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,320 implemented in the last three two or 184 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,240 three years uh which aligns with our 185 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,680 asset management plan as it stands 186 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:38,399 today. So uh while the mayor's direction 187 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:42,480 um did indicate an upset limit of 7% 188 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,200 we're presently sitting at 5.8% levy 189 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,279 increase. So recognizing the efforts 190 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:49,279 from staff and together with council uh 191 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:51,040 the the efforts to try to reduce that as 192 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,440 much as we can. Um so I'll go through a 193 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,800 few slides if you if you'll allow me 194 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,000 Curtis. So we'll just walk through it. 195 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,079 So again, our we we've we've kept this 196 00:10:58,079 --> 00:10:59,920 mission vision uh from our strategic 197 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,800 plan in in our slide deck. Uh so noting 198 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,560 that the township delivers municipal 199 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,160 services to a welcoming community and 200 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,640 that uh we maintain a rural quality of 201 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,800 life by balancing sustainability and 202 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,839 growth. And then our strategic uh 203 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:15,760 strategic plan identifies sort of five 204 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,240 areas infrastructure, environment, 205 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,920 economic development, recreation, and 206 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,279 corporate performance. So these are the 207 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:24,000 areas of focus in our the the 10-year 208 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,480 strategic plan. It was adopted by uh the 209 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,399 previous council. I think it may have 210 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:30,720 been two councils ago. And then our our 211 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,040 our current council uh adopted the 212 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,720 strategic direction which is kind of a 213 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,360 supplement to our strategic plan. And 214 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,040 then these are the areas of focus. 215 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,240 long-term financial planning, 216 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,519 sustainability, which aligns with this 217 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:44,399 5-year projection, facility direction, 218 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:46,560 which again 219 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,519 will transpire as part of these these uh 220 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:52,320 uh financial planning uh discussions, 221 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,399 service levels, staffing, culture, 222 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:55,839 growth, and economic development. So, 223 00:11:55,839 --> 00:11:57,360 these are the strategic directions from 224 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,279 the current council. Our budget schedule 225 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:01,040 is outlined here. So, we started back in 226 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,079 September 16th um where the mayor gave 227 00:12:04,079 --> 00:12:06,720 direction to the CEO to sort of prepare 228 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,639 the budget subject to about seven or 229 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,480 eight bullets and we feel as though 230 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,160 what's being presented today sort of 231 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,920 aligns with those bullets. Um we had all 232 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,519 day staff budget two I think one all day 233 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:22,240 staff one all day budget meeting. We 234 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,480 held the public meeting. Um we sort of 235 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,240 consolidated that all back into today's 236 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,440 meeting. So we've met how many times 237 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,200 Curtis? Is it five or six? five five 238 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,399 meetings with members of council 239 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:32,480 together with public. 240 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,240 Uh so again here's the mayor direction 241 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,079 that was provided back in September. So 242 00:12:36,079 --> 00:12:38,160 the first three bullets here refer to 243 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,920 these projections. So projections with 244 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,720 respect to the budget forecast 245 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,040 recognizing inflation, cost of living, 246 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,800 the asset management plan, our 247 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,480 contributions or allocations from the 248 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,639 province OCIF. 249 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:53,839 Um and then also recognizing that uh the 250 00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:55,920 county of Renfruit, the ministry of 251 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,160 education also play a part in our in our 252 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,040 actual tax rate or tax collected. Uh 253 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,480 five-year projections with respect to 254 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,720 capital and without water wastewater. 255 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,240 But then again, five-year rated 256 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,639 projections based on uh for water and 257 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:10,560 wastewater. 258 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,639 And then the next four bullets sort of 259 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:16,800 primarily align with the um the 2026 260 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,959 budget. So just uh um 261 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:22,480 recognizing that the the first bullet 262 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,079 recognizing that the growth shall be 263 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:26,480 included in the 2026 operating budget uh 264 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,399 that user fees shall align with 265 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,120 inflation. Um 266 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,120 and also recognizing that they should be 267 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,800 contributing to capital reinvestment 268 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,040 needs. Uh bullet six that uh the 2026 269 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,399 consider feedback from the community 270 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:42,639 council members uh following the 271 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:44,480 direction from the mayor prior to the 272 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,360 end of 2025. and that number seven that 273 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,800 the proposed change in the budget aligns 274 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,360 with the overall objective of inflation. 275 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,000 Um and also noting here is the 7% 276 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,320 maximum tax requirement together with 277 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,800 the 3.4 affordability 278 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,560 uh measure that we've been using which 279 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:02,480 I'll speak to very shortly. So I think 280 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:03,920 that what's being presented to council 281 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,839 now and together with the subsequent 282 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:08,240 council uh council meeting which this is 283 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,519 a committee we're going to recommend to 284 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:12,000 council all aligns with with with this 285 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,160 marial direction. But it also we're not 286 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,279 done I don't think. I think there's 287 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,720 still some work to be done on the 288 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,600 five-year fin five five-year plan. Yeah. 289 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,920 Go ahead. 290 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,680 Uh so the affordability component. So 291 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:24,800 the this whole question of 292 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,240 affordability, how do we assess 293 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,000 affordability? How do we develop metrics 294 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 on affordability? So just reiterating, I 295 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,279 mean the members of council have heard 296 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:33,279 me say this before. This probably be the 297 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:35,839 third time that you hear it. uh but the 298 00:14:35,839 --> 00:14:38,320 affordability component essentially 299 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,160 limits our property taxes uh on the 300 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,240 median household income to 3.4%. So if 301 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,839 we take the uh median assessment 302 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:51,360 determine the property residential 303 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,040 property tax accorded to that that 304 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,440 should not be greater than 3.4%. I think 305 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,160 currently uh with the the present budget 306 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,680 not knowing what the county is going to 307 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,360 do uh we're probably sitting around 3 308 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,760 3.23 23, two decimal points. Great, 309 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Curtis. 3.23. Uh, so we're not quite 310 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,399 there, but again, it's there's variables 311 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:11,920 there, right? It's dependent on what the 312 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,760 county does. Um, and uh, and, um, this, 313 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,440 I think, is one of the one of the 314 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,800 constraints. If we look at our 5-year 315 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,079 projection, and if we're going to limit 316 00:15:20,079 --> 00:15:21,920 ourselves to 3.4, and I'm not saying we 317 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,240 have to, uh, that will provide a 318 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,079 constraint for the amount of revenue 319 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:28,720 generated for capital investment to name 320 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,440 one one area. Uh, so this 3.4% 4% is 321 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,959 established in the BMA uh consulting inc 322 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:36,720 it's a report that's prepared uh 323 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,519 comparing over 100 municipalities and 324 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:41,519 they determine benchmarks for socio so 325 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,519 socioeconomic financial and service 326 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:45,920 delivery indicators so this is one way 327 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,399 of uh looking at affordability in your 328 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:50,320 community there are other ways I think 329 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,759 one of the things I'd like to do is just 330 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:53,680 to see where other communities in run 331 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,839 county align get their median assessment 332 00:15:55,839 --> 00:15:58,320 get their median uh or their property 333 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,399 taxes on that median assessment and see 334 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:01,759 what percentages they are. I think that 335 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:03,279 it'd be an interesting exercise to see 336 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:05,600 where we align with our partners uh or 337 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,759 our neighbors. Uh so so this is 338 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:08,880 something that we need to keep looking 339 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,560 at as we move into the projection 340 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,199 component of it. But we are aligning at 341 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:14,959 3.32 you said Curtis 342 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:15,670 >> 3.3 343 00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:15,680 » 3.3 344 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,949 >> 3.23 uh percentage. Uh so again that 1% 345 00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:18,959 » 3.23 uh percentage. Uh so again that 1% 346 00:16:18,959 --> 00:16:22,959 levy increase it represents 77,485. 347 00:16:22,959 --> 00:16:26,800 So where when I noted the 5.8% 348 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,160 increase 5.8% is where we stand today. 349 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:30,959 Yep. 350 00:16:30,959 --> 00:16:33,670 >> Uh so it would be 5.8* 351 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:33,680 » Uh so it would be 5.8* 352 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,600 77,485. 353 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,360 So that's the additional levy money 354 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,240 we're generating from property taxes and 355 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,920 4.2% of that is uh is going to capital 356 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,279 and the other portion is going to 357 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:47,360 operate. 358 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,959 And then the breakdown of every dollar 359 00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:52,480 based on the 2025 is uh so we we hold 360 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,920 the the lion share recognizing that um 361 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,399 we're at 40% uh the county are at 31% 362 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,360 education at uh 363 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,799 13% and police at 9. So this circular 364 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,240 table will change. I mean once the 365 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,000 county adopts their budget it might 366 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,679 represent a greater percentage might 367 00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:13,439 represent less but we'll update council 368 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:14,640 when that becomes available. Typically, 369 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,079 we would do that as part of the tax rate 370 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,079 adoption bylaw. So, we'll present a new 371 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,880 circular uh graph when uh when we get to 372 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,480 that, which will be in April, Mayish. 373 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,270 >> Mayish. 374 00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:23,280 » Mayish. 375 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,150 >> May. Yeah. Thanks. 376 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:26,160 » May. Yeah. Thanks. 377 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,120 And then uh this is just a table chart 378 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,240 rep uh just recognizing the current uh 379 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,000 countywide property taxation and rate 380 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,320 increases from 2025. So where we sit is 381 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,679 kind of in that middle of the pack which 382 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:40,480 I think is based on the deliberations 383 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,840 from council that's kind of where we 384 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,320 want to be um throughout the county. And 385 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,000 then that red line were the increases in 386 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,640 2025. And the next slide uh is examining 387 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520 sort of a greater compare comparator 388 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,240 municipalities based on services water 389 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,320 wastewater recreation to name sort of 390 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,120 three areas of service. Um and then so 391 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:02,480 it sort of narrows down the 392 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,919 municipalities that are included. And 393 00:18:03,919 --> 00:18:05,360 again, we're kind of in the in the 394 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,480 middle of the pack there. Um 395 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,640 recognizing that 396 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,160 our communities are different than sort 397 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,760 of Renfruit and Pemrook, but again, 398 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,480 here's a comparator as a way to to see 399 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,799 how we fit into the whole regional 400 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:21,760 approach. 401 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,549 >> Um I'll pass it over to you, Curtis. 402 00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:24,559 » Um I'll pass it over to you, Curtis. 403 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:26,080 Keep looking. 404 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,230 >> Thank you. Um so Ivan has already kind 405 00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:28,240 » Thank you. Um so Ivan has already kind 406 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,160 of mentioned this part um that the 407 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,200 operating still sits at 1.6%. 408 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,120 Um that's including the inflation 409 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,320 pressures uh the uh final billing for OP 410 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,799 um and our actual insurance uh 411 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:44,880 allocations. Uh there's been no changes 412 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,640 to the overall operating budget since 413 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,799 the last two presentations. I will note 414 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:50,559 that and that's why we are able to uh 415 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:52,880 kind of condense that operating portion 416 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,520 and have uh less overall time spent on 417 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,480 that and more focus on the capital side. 418 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,960 Uh so the public comments uh so at the 419 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,400 meeting on the 11th uh we both received 420 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,960 uh verbal comments as well as uh since 421 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,640 that meeting uh some uh via email uh 422 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,240 they were all distributed to council uh 423 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,440 via the clerk. Um so one of the ones was 424 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,679 uh talking about taxation increases that 425 00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:19,360 have happened over the number of years 426 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,840 and the thought of using uh shared 427 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,080 services. Uh one that was noted was the 428 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,880 county uh as the to eliminate in-house 429 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,640 services. Uh I'm sure you've all seen 430 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,440 that that email. Uh another comment was 431 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,320 about OP. Um the main question was how 432 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,840 it was built to the township and the 433 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,760 overall cost of it. Uh it's something 434 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,240 that uh I know the mayor and the and the 435 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,640 CEO are bringing to different uh pieces 436 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,400 about believe Roma as a delegation to 437 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,320 talk about that cost. Uh the other one 438 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,880 was what is the increases changing the 439 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,679 condition of gravel roads. Um that was a 440 00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:54,880 comment that or a question that had 441 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,559 already been brought up before and we 442 00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:59,600 had included it in the alakart piece um 443 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,520 talking about bringing the roads from a 444 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,760 15-year cycle when by the time we're 445 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,280 able to come back to it to actually a 446 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,200 10ear cycle what the cost for that would 447 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,919 be and we'll talk more about that when I 448 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:12,400 get to the transportation section. 449 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,160 Uh the overall cost of consultants to 450 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,679 the township which was answered at that 451 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:17,120 at that time for the specific question 452 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:18,880 that was asked uh but it was just a note 453 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,799 that was brought up. uh solar panels and 454 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:22,640 their revenue. Uh sub subsidize 455 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,960 non-resident costs at the Pemrook pool 456 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,880 and then consider change of use uh 457 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,280 change of area space at the uh yearround 458 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,840 sports besides uh ice hockey and 459 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,159 skating. 460 00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:35,840 Uh then we look at the key highlights 461 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,679 for capital. So again there's no change 462 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:39,679 here uh from what has always been 463 00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:42,080 presented is the 4.2 which is based on 464 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,520 the 2022 asset management plan. Um still 465 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,840 holding strong. Uh the public comments 466 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,520 for capital uh again you vote these were 467 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,320 were all received uh verbally and uh 468 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,000 additionally some in written but from 469 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,480 the same uh same residents. So why was 470 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,400 the Zion line not included for the 2026 471 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,480 budget and the question came of the 472 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,080 history of the road. Uh that was a 473 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,600 request by council. So we provide some 474 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,679 information that's on the next slide and 475 00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:09,919 uh there's a a leaflet in front of you. 476 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:11,840 Uh why does the township need five fire 477 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,280 halls and equipment and is there 478 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,440 efficiencies to be found? Uh, can 479 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,840 services be contracted out to extend the 480 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,760 life of equipment, i.e. hauling of 481 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,360 gravel? And does the township meet 482 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,919 indoor arenas or could be switched to uh 483 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:26,880 could a switch be made to outdoor rinks? 484 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,000 These were all comments that were 485 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,240 received either verbally or or uh in 486 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,799 writing and all been uh disseminated to 487 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:36,640 council. Uh so the first uh slide kind 488 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,320 of to answer one of the questions 489 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,919 because it was asked by council was what 490 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,480 was the history of Zion Line? um and 491 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,760 it's on the leaflet in front of you if 492 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,679 it's too hard to see on the actual uh 493 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:49,120 PowerPoint. So the green line furthest 494 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,440 to the um to the left is that's the 495 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,039 chunk between Hila Road and Beachburg 496 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:57,679 Road. Uh you'll notice it has it's noted 497 00:21:57,679 --> 00:21:59,760 as DST is 2023 is when it was just 498 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,240 redone. Uh the place between Sturgeon 499 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,120 Mountain and Beachburg Road was 2014. Uh 500 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,960 had a single surface treatment attach 501 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,640 applied to the top of it. Originally the 502 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200 road was done 2006. 503 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,039 Uh same thing with from Sturgeon 504 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:16,559 Mountain to Papen Road. Uh 2014 was 505 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,080 whenever a single service was applied to 506 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,559 that. So that's the third lift. Uh then 507 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:25,200 from uh Papen Road to um West Ross Road, 508 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,280 uh 2009 is when it received its third 509 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,080 lift. And then DST, if it was done in 510 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,559 2010 on the uh chunk of road from West 511 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,320 Ross Road to um to Fortress Falls Road. 512 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,000 Uh I'll actually pass it over to the 513 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,200 manager of public works if he wants to 514 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,799 make any comment at this point in time 515 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,559 uh just about that before uh the 516 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,590 council. 517 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,159 » I have no comments. 518 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:50,630 >> Perfect. Um the other piece that was 519 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:50,640 » Perfect. Um the other piece that was 520 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,799 noted on the slide uh too because there 521 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,039 was a question about per kilometer cost 522 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,600 for ashvault uh with active 523 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,640 transportation without active 524 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,120 transportation per kilometer cost of 525 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,799 double surface treatment and single 526 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:03,919 surface treatment. So those have all 527 00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:06,240 been noted on that slide. uh ashvalt 528 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,880 single lift 200,000 per kilometer. Uh I 529 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,960 will note uh from the public 530 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,159 presentation that there was an amount uh 531 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,480 that was uh indicated by one of the 532 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,640 residents that made the comment uh for 533 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,600 pavement and this is uh higher than that 534 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,360 amount but it it also involves the 535 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:26,080 subgrade work uh because we believe the 536 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,400 amount he was referencing was just the 537 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,720 actual pavement itself which does align 538 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,159 uh but there's all the subgrade work of 539 00:23:32,159 --> 00:23:35,039 culverts billing the road all that type 540 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,480 of other construction work that needs to 541 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,600 be done when you're when you're 542 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,080 rehabilitating a road before pavement um 543 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,720 not just the ashalt surface itself. Um 544 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,080 so that's why these amounts are are 545 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,390 listed the way they are. 546 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,280 Uh the next one to that we left in was 547 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,960 just to to illustrate that the township 548 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,240 itself uh between the 25 budget to 2026 549 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,159 budget uh proposed shows a decrease of 550 00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:03,440 overall staff at the township of 1.5. Um 551 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,200 so we went from 37.27 27 um full-time 552 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,630 equivalent staff down to 35.71. 553 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,240 Uh so then we just roll into the general 554 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,080 operating. Uh we've left in here the 555 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,720 budget categories. Uh and these are the 556 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,480 the ones that come from the FIR. So it's 557 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,840 your general government, your protective 558 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,840 services, transportation services, 559 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,000 environmental, recreation and culture 560 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,600 and then planning and development. And 561 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,200 these are all the subcategories that 562 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,919 fall under those main headings. Um 563 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:33,440 general government seen no changes from 564 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,679 the last presentation. So it was removed 565 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:37,200 uh from this presentation. Protective 566 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,919 services again seen no change. Uh we 567 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:42,400 left transportation services in uh just 568 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,640 a quick slide as well as environmental 569 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,640 services and I'll get to those now. And 570 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,760 then planning and development recreation 571 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,480 culture also were removed. 572 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,400 So under the transportation uh the only 573 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,080 reason we brought this back is just to 574 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,080 ill illustrate what gravel roads are 575 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,799 planned for the 2026 year uh to include 576 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,360 that map. Um, so you'll notice it's in 577 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,960 red and not real easy to see on that 578 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,240 screen I see. But, um, so the the roads 579 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,000 that are planning to be done is Acres 580 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,159 Road, so Mine View Road to Homestead 581 00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:14,080 Jeffrey Lake. Uh, Garden of Eden Road, 582 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,559 so it's Godfrey Road to of the gravel 583 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,360 section and then remove the DST portion. 584 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,320 Uh, Broom Road, Almac Road, Dejarta 585 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,679 Road, which goes from Lookout Road to 586 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:24,960 Pleasant Valley and then from Pleasant 587 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,279 Valley to Hawthorne. Uh, Nangor Trail 588 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:31,269 and Point Trail. 589 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,760 under environmental services, uh there's 590 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,440 only a slight change to the recycling 591 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,000 program. Uh and that's due to the ICI. 592 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,240 Uh so public works staff did a review of 593 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,240 the uh number of properties that will 594 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,559 actually be qualifying for the ICI. Uh 595 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,200 and that has actually increased to 153. 596 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,320 Uh it was originally 129. Um through 597 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,679 that review, it was just as to what 598 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,360 businesses would classify for that and 599 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,520 what would qualify for that that charge. 600 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,279 So the slight change has been made to 601 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,000 that the recycling. However, the revenue 602 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,600 offsets the exact expense. So it doesn't 603 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,960 change anything on the budget. It's just 604 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,279 to be noted here. 605 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:08,320 Um so then on the waste user fees, this 606 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,600 is the only part of the user fees that 607 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,080 you'll actually see here today. Um is 608 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,360 the garbage collection because that was 609 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,840 a question that was brought up. Um it is 610 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,159 still recommended by staff side to leave 611 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,159 the piece as uh the garbage collection 612 00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:22,640 fee is 168 for residential properties 613 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,960 and then the ICI properties uh would 614 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,279 have the billing of 446. 615 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,559 Um to put where that cost come from. 616 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,480 It's designed to go from the low side of 617 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,640 the estimate uh due to the fact that we 618 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,559 don't know what the uh total tipping 619 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,799 fees could come in for as to how much 620 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,159 recycling will actually come through or 621 00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:42,000 how many times we'll have to uh tip the 622 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,480 bins. So, you'll see that the curbside 623 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,159 collection cost, which is the contract 624 00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:50,000 to the uh contractor, is $357 per stop. 625 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,799 Uh the the tipping fees for the blue box 626 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:54,880 program that's collected, uh would be 627 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,679 the low estimate of $59 per stop. And 628 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:00,320 then the landfill ICI ICI bluebox 629 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,840 hauling and tipping. So, that's the 630 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,679 actual bin from the uh uh option two, 631 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:07,840 which was chosen for the ICI collection, 632 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,880 is $30 per stop. Um, so it works out to 633 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,870 be $446 per stop. 634 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,520 The this slide has not changed just due 635 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,240 to the fact that the uh it's in and out 636 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,159 for that that revenue portion due to the 637 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:26,000 user fee portion of it. So it still 638 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,400 comes to the 1.6 639 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,919 and this is where I'll pause for 640 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:37,750 questions. 641 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,320 » Thank you treasure. So what we'll do is 642 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,360 is uh you basically at this point you 643 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,840 can ask questions in any portion between 644 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,840 slide 1 to 28. Uh and it's important uh 645 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,600 we'll come back depending on what the 646 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,720 questions are. We'll come back and just 647 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,640 make sure that we acknowledge that 648 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,480 public uh those public questions at the 649 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,240 end if it's not part of anybody else's 650 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,480 questions. So councelor White you're up 651 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,320 first. 652 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,630 >> Thank you. Um, what is the on page 25 or 653 00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:06,640 » Thank you. Um, what is the on page 25 or 654 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,559 in slide 25 you're talking about 655 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,880 landfill ICI bluebox hauling and tipping 656 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,840 fees $30 per stops. I'm not 657 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,440 understanding how many stops we have 658 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,000 then if it's just from the landfill. 659 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,520 It's only one stop then. 660 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,909 >> No. So those are the ICI. So the overall 661 00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:21,919 » No. So those are the ICI. So the overall 662 00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:25,600 ICI is charged based on the 153 stops. 663 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,960 So the total cost would be about $4,500. 664 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,799 It's divided by the 153. So it comes 665 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,960 into $30 per stop. it's what the uh 666 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,840 averaged out cost is. So having the bin 667 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,000 at the landfill, there's still no 668 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,919 funding for that to be at a landfill 669 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:42,320 site. So by having it included with the 670 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,960 ICI cost whenever the if whether a 671 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,799 business takes has their for cycling 672 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,640 picked up at the at their curb or brings 673 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,799 it to the landfill, this co this charge 674 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,320 is still covering the cost of that 675 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:58,470 material to be taken and processed. 676 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,399 » I can pass it to the environmental 677 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:03,360 secretary. You lost me on that one, too. 678 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,549 >> So, uh, so what it is is, um, there's, 679 00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:06,559 » So, uh, so what it is is, um, there's, 680 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,240 uh, a there's a total cost for the 681 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,240 curbside collection. There's a total 682 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,720 cost for that for the tonnage that's 683 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,200 collected at the curbside. And then, so 684 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,799 if you imagine the amount of material 685 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,200 that uh, they that we collect, there is 686 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,320 a a tipping fee that we pay for that. So 687 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,960 there's, say they collect 1,000 tons, it 688 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,399 costs us $107 or about $300, sorry, per 689 00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:30,720 ton. So that's the second one. They've 690 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,720 taken the total and they've divided it 691 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,559 by we've taken the total of that cost 692 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,159 that's estimated for the year and 693 00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:39,760 divided amongst the 153 stops and that 694 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,919 gives us sort of a an estimate of that's 695 00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:43,679 what the cost for the tipping fees would 696 00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:47,039 be um from the curbside material. And 697 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,520 then the third piece is uh if we still 698 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,919 allow uh permit the ICI businesses to um 699 00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:56,240 bring bluebox waste also at the landfill 700 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,640 there uh those costs would also have to 701 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,840 be um recovered if you if you follow me 702 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,840 because the uh any material that a 703 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,840 business brings to the landfill is not 704 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,360 covered by um uh the the CMO funding 705 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,600 that we would receive. So, uh, this is 706 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,000 just basically showing all the cost to 707 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,799 allow, um, blue box material either at 708 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,120 the curbside or at the landfill and then 709 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,880 just sort of them broken out by piece by 710 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,399 piece, what that sort of represents. And 711 00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:25,919 then the total coming in at um, 446 per 712 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:29,200 stop. Does that clarify things? 713 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,269 >> I'll throw one more just if councelor 714 00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:31,279 » I'll throw one more just if councelor 715 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,520 White will allow me, I'll just uh, if I 716 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,960 was to add up one, two, and three, it it 717 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,279 comes to your estimate at 446 on a low 718 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:39,760 side. 719 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,750 >> That's correct. And um so it the 46 720 00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:43,760 » That's correct. And um so it the 46 721 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,520 uh would be 1 and then 2 a and three. So 722 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,000 we've because the the tonnage is sort of 723 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,080 an estimate, we've given a high and a 724 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,240 low uh estimate. So the the lower 725 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,200 estimate which we're a bit more 726 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,399 comfortable with is the 446. 727 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:01,190 >> Good. 728 00:31:01,190 --> 00:31:01,200 » Good. 729 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,470 >> Thank you. 730 00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:02,480 » Thank you. 731 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,149 >> Excellent. Thank you councelor Trim. 732 00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:06,159 » Excellent. Thank you councelor Trim. 733 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,720 If I may on this Mr. mayor on the same 734 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,799 topic through you to the director. Um 735 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:20,159 does that mean then that u u or the um 736 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:24,159 residents not ICI but residents will no 737 00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,799 longer be permitted to bring recycling 738 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,120 to the landfill site. 739 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,000 uh residents will be able to bring 740 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 recycling to the landfill site and that 741 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,840 is being um covered by uh Circular 742 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,360 Materials Ontario. So the cost for that 743 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,720 is covered by Circular Materials 744 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,880 Ontario. So essentially what they're 745 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,080 what the CMO is covering is they've 746 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,480 established a certain tonnage that 747 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,799 represents that's representative of of 748 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,519 um the residents which is I think it was 749 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,360 20.4 750 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,480 four tons and then any tonnage over and 751 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,519 above that that we collect um that would 752 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,760 be assumed to be the commercial 753 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,440 material. So looking at um our previous 754 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,159 year the 2025 we looked at the total 755 00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:11,919 tonnage that we received which was about 756 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:15,279 24 tons. Uh circular materials Ontario 757 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,440 is going to essentially pay and cover 758 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,480 for 20 tons. So we would be responsible 759 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,720 for four tons which is essentially what 760 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120 they're saying is due to the commercial 761 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,080 businesses. So that is what that uh 762 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,600 number third line represents. Uh partly 763 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,120 is the tonnage and the hauling of that 764 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,360 material 765 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,590 >> and so at the landfill site there will 766 00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:37,600 » and so at the landfill site there will 767 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,279 be no 768 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,710 >> there will be no it will not be 769 00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:40,720 » there will be no it will not be 770 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,240 distinguished between there will not be 771 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,159 separate bins. It's all one bin and we 772 00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:46,320 are co-mingling. 773 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,159 Yeah. So everything can go in one bin. 774 00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:50,159 both residential and commercial and 775 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,159 they've said they'll essentially haul 776 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:54,720 the CMO will cover a set number of bins 777 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,799 per year that they will haul and there 778 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,279 will be no cost to us. Anything over and 779 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,440 above that is what comes back as and and 780 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,200 the the the 781 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,120 municipality will be responsible for 782 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,679 covering. 783 00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:11,350 >> That's clear. Thank you. 784 00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:11,360 » That's clear. Thank you. 785 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,110 >> Good. For some reason, that's a very 786 00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:13,120 » Good. For some reason, that's a very 787 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440 logical approach. 788 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,120 Uh, I wish they would do it the other 789 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,360 way, too. Anyway, uh, councelor Moore, 790 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,630 >> maybe not a good time to bring this up, 791 00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:22,640 » maybe not a good time to bring this up, 792 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,279 and I think I may have already. Um, what 793 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,679 happens with the, uh, businesses ICI out 794 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:29,519 there that never put out a blue box, but 795 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,480 yet they have to pay the fee. I'm 796 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,799 specifically looking at churches who 797 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,880 only have Sunday service and don't put 798 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000 out any blue boxes, and all of a sudden, 799 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,679 they have to pay this $400 and some 800 00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:44,799 dollars a year. And uh also then there's 801 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,799 the fair boards, what are they going to 802 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,200 do, etc. So there's a lot of questions 803 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,000 to ask, but um there are groups out 804 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,360 there like the churches that never put 805 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,399 out a blue box. 806 00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,310 >> Is there a staff response? Yeah. 807 00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:58,320 » Is there a staff response? Yeah. 808 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,909 >> Yeah. So, um, uh, staff are, um, in the 809 00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:01,919 » Yeah. So, um, uh, staff are, um, in the 810 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:03,600 process of putting together a waste 811 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,399 management bylaw that would, essentially 812 00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:08,720 set out all of the rules on which 813 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:12,800 properties, um, uh, are uh, paying the 814 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,520 ICI uh, collection fee. Um, and, uh, 815 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,079 staff are discussing and proposing that 816 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,079 there would be some opt out um, 817 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,639 provisions in the bylaw. Um, we know 818 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,399 that there are some uh businesses 819 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:31,520 already that have um uh larger um um 820 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,520 like sixyard bins at their businesses 821 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,159 for collecting things like cardboard and 822 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,280 and such. And um sort of the intention 823 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,359 that we're talking through is whether or 824 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:44,320 not uh a business could uh apply to opt 825 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,760 out because they have an alternate 826 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,919 service in place. Um another thing we 827 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,520 were discussing is exactly that. How 828 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,839 would the um the churches be handled? 829 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:53,599 Would that be something that council 830 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,720 would um um would choose to like let 831 00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:00,800 them opt in if they want or um or would 832 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,400 they be opt out and then have to apply? 833 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,760 So, those are things to be worked 834 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,920 through and the churches we looked there 835 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,359 was about 10 properties that um we want 836 00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:11,359 to bring staff want to bring back that 837 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,440 and and and really get into the weeds on 838 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,000 exactly how we allow optin and opt out. 839 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,680 That's clear. 840 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,390 >> Perfect. So just to highlight that we 841 00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:20,400 » Perfect. So just to highlight that we 842 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,880 recognize those questions. They aren't 843 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,320 something that we need to solve as part 844 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,760 of the budget. Really the question from 845 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,680 a budget perspective is this is what the 846 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,079 cost will be. How are we going to raise 847 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,960 the funds to cover the cost and then the 848 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,200 subsequent questions will have to get 849 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,920 answered as part of that bylaw review. 850 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,270 >> Understand. Thank you. 851 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:39,280 » Understand. Thank you. 852 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,550 >> Good. And I'm going to go to councelor 853 00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:40,560 » Good. And I'm going to go to councelor 854 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,640 Bell. So, just to confirm on the 855 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,640 interimm tax bills that come out, these 856 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,960 ICI properties won't be receiving an 857 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,079 extra $446 charge for the first half of 858 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:53,680 the year until this bylaw gets 859 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,349 confirmed, 860 00:35:57,359 --> 00:35:57,839 » treasure, 861 00:35:57,839 --> 00:35:59,589 >> that's correct. So, the interim bylaw is 862 00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:59,599 » that's correct. So, the interim bylaw is 863 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,240 based on 50% of last year's taxes. So, 864 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,079 no changes that we make here today will 865 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,480 be seen on that interim tax bill until 866 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,560 the final tax bill goes out in August. 867 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640 So until August happens, nothing of 868 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,599 these user fees that are based on the 869 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,680 taxation or based into taxation will be 870 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,599 seen yet. Uh no revenue is generated 871 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:18,880 from any of that type of stuff. It's 872 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,400 just based on 50% of last year. So 873 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,480 whatever they had bit were build in 874 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040 2025, we they see automatically 50% of 875 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,829 that. 876 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,839 » Good. And councelor trim. 877 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,069 >> Yes. And I understand that these rates 878 00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:34,079 » Yes. And I understand that these rates 879 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:39,040 are based on the fact that we are uh 880 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,200 tendering, I guess the correct word 881 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,760 would be, with six or seven other 882 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,280 municipalities 883 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,400 and that this is um we're going to be in 884 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,280 some kind of a trial period uh to see 885 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,160 how this works out. Uh am I correct on 886 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,280 thinking that? 887 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,910 >> Uh yes. So it's not a tender. It is it 888 00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:57,920 » Uh yes. So it's not a tender. It is it 889 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,800 is um essentially soul sourced uh 890 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,359 because of the timelines on this but uh 891 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:07,040 there are uh nine of us in total and the 892 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,640 pricing that we were provided was 893 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,119 contingent on uh all of the 894 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,839 municipalities that have committed to uh 895 00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:18,800 working together and um uh the contract 896 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,560 as we understand it will say that it's 897 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,160 for one year and there will add there 898 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,839 they will also includes potentially 899 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:27,040 there will include provisions for we 900 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,760 believe two one-year extensions. So I 901 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,040 think the intention of what we've heard 902 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,040 from uh most of the municip or some of 903 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,320 the municipalities is that they just 904 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,839 want to do it for one year and see how 905 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,320 it goes and then uh at the end of the 906 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,800 first year re-evaluate where things sit. 907 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,599 Um and then uh if we all want to extend 908 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,520 um the pricing presumably would stay the 909 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,359 same. If some drop out there might be 910 00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:49,359 some negotiation again for a second year 911 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,680 but this is being taken as a one-year 912 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,910 see how it works first. 913 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,760 Go ahead, Council Homestead, please. 914 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,550 >> Um, so just just to be clear on the two 915 00:38:00,550 --> 00:38:00,560 » Um, so just just to be clear on the two 916 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,079 lines, the garbage collection fee and 917 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,520 the recycling collection fee, the $168 918 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,720 fee is for both recycling and garbage, 919 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,280 right, for for households. 920 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,109 >> So the 168 um is for garbage collection. 921 00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:15,119 » So the 168 um is for garbage collection. 922 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,760 Um, and it, uh, dare I say this, carries 923 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,760 some of the costs for like the household 924 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,880 hazards waste depot. Um, uh, some of the 925 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,599 costs for the landfill. So that's that's 926 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,920 the essentially it's mostly the two bags 927 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,920 you put out for garbage and then access 928 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,880 to the landfill for garbage. The second 929 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,200 line is just recycling. So if you recall 930 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,160 the 168, the garbage collection fee, um, 931 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,640 the township is no longer responsible 932 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,160 for delivering recycling for for 933 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,760 residents. So that is not a part of 934 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,040 that. No. 935 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,790 >> Okay. And um so on the second line, 936 00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:50,800 » Okay. And um so on the second line, 937 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,560 they're not going to be paying the 446 938 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,400 plus the 168. It's just the straight 939 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,720 446. Correct. 940 00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,870 >> It would be um 168 for garbage and 941 00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:00,880 » It would be um 168 for garbage and 942 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,520 access to the landfill. And the four 943 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,800 sorry 446 is just recycling and 944 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,359 recycling access to the landfill. So on 945 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:13,440 their tax bill, they're going to see 946 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,150 >> two lines, 168 and 446. 947 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:16,160 » two lines, 168 and 446. 948 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,270 >> Correct. 949 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:17,280 » Correct. 950 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,310 >> Thank you. 951 00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:20,320 » Thank you. 952 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,069 >> Any other questions on this single 953 00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:22,079 » Any other questions on this single 954 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,880 slide? 955 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,880 No, I I I just want to make sure that we 956 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,760 are clear on the funding of this because 957 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,760 we haven't spoken about that yet. There 958 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,400 was a proposal uh I think councelor Bell 959 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,079 put it forward to see whether or not we 960 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,800 could take that 446 and distribute it in 961 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,640 a different way. 962 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,960 um that has not proven to be an option 963 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,200 for us based on some legal advice. Uh so 964 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,800 from a council perspective, what's back 965 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960 on the floor is this as what council 966 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,200 Mstead just said, each business, each 967 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,440 church, each each of these 153 places 968 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,240 will receive both of these charges as 969 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,839 part of their tax bill. Now, they won't 970 00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:05,839 see it until August, according to the 971 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,079 treasurer, even though we're going to 972 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,670 start to incur those costs last week. 973 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,680 From a council perspective, what are 974 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,880 your thoughts on how we manage this new 975 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:31,349 expense? 976 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:33,839 » Council Bell, please. So, we spoke to 977 00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:36,320 increasing that garbage collection fee 978 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,079 168. It would would have ended up to be 979 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,880 187 or something if I remember that 980 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,440 correctly. Um, 981 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,520 that's what you're speaking to is it's 982 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,440 proven through legal advice that's that 983 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,440 that's probably not the right avenue. 984 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,200 Um, what about would there be a way to 985 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,040 add 986 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,400 not that I want to increase the fees at 987 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,800 the landfill, but would there be a way 988 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,839 to do 989 00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,000 a portion of a fee whenever you go into 990 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,319 the landfill as a means of collecting 991 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:16,079 revenue to pay for this program on an 992 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,000 annual basis? And what I mean by that is 993 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,760 would we be able to look at the revenue 994 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,720 generated from the landfill 995 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,640 as look at what percentage increase we 996 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,000 would need for every user that goes in 997 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,520 there on a every Wednesday and Saturday 998 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,720 to make up the difference of that 446 999 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,400 per ICI property. So it this wouldn't 1000 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,119 just as a you wouldn't be seeing this as 1001 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,200 an increase on a on the 168, but we pay 1002 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,319 a fee whenever we go to the dump and 1003 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,359 dump a half ton, dump a trailer. Would 1004 00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:57,760 there be a way to add a small percentage 1005 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,079 onto each one of those loads as a means 1006 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,720 of collecting revenue to pay for this 1007 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,880 specific fee? 1008 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,599 staff. 1009 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:11,990 >> It kind of would fall into the same type 1010 00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:12,000 » It kind of would fall into the same type 1011 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,640 of thought process or same 1012 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,119 recommendation of legal as the original 1013 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,800 thought of putting it onto the garbage 1014 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,240 collection fee because it's not just 1015 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,160 residential properties or not just 1016 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,359 commercial properties that are coming in 1017 00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:29,200 there. the the the the fee itself. 1018 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,880 That's the challenge of of putting it 1019 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,359 onto to to adding it to different fees 1020 00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,920 because the the we'd have to review 1021 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,720 again whether the recycling cost itself 1022 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,560 could be attributed into the cost of the 1023 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,640 landfill. Potentially it could, but that 1024 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,720 would be my initial thought would be it 1025 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,400 would fall similar to the original 1026 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,760 recommendation from legal 1027 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,870 >> councelor bill. 1028 00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:52,880 » councelor bill. 1029 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,440 So, I just keep cycling back to this 1030 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,960 because I I don't want to see our small 1031 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,280 businesses and our churches pay an 1032 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,640 additional user fee tax if we can avoid 1033 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,440 it by small some percentage by raising 1034 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,920 the revenue in a small percentage 1035 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,109 somewhere else. Um, 1036 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,920 correct me if 1037 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,240 I'm looking at this as if the township 1038 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,280 collects revenue to pay for this, even 1039 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,720 if it's not if if if by through the 1040 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,760 budget discussions today, we decided as 1041 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,040 a council that Whitewater region as a 1042 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,400 corporation is just going to take care 1043 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,680 of this fee, this $446, 1044 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,400 not necessarily stating where where it's 1045 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,760 coming from, but recognizing that we 1046 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,040 need to generate that 446* 1047 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,119 159 properties for 2026 to pay for this 1048 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,079 for for the ICI, 1049 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:57,040 increasing the user fee at our landfill, 1050 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,040 not necessarily with a special 1051 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,160 assessment to go towards that, but 1052 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,560 recognizing that to make up for this 1053 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,359 shortfall of 446* 159 9. We look at that 1054 00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:12,000 by increasing our our landfill charges 1055 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,680 by x percentage to generate that revenue 1056 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,880 without without account not putting a 1057 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,240 specific line for accounting for that. 1058 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,920 Is that not a way that we could like we 1059 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,440 we adjust user fees based on you know 1060 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,440 based on a bunch of different decisions 1061 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,920 every year. 1062 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,240 Could we not just adjust that user fee 1063 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:39,920 recognizing that we just need to collect 1064 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,000 that that extra percentage this year to 1065 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,200 to pay for that program? 1066 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,030 >> If you'll allow me, I think I think the 1067 00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:47,040 » If you'll allow me, I think I think the 1068 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,599 um so the first thing is is that um the 1069 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:55,040 the actual cost of this won't be 1070 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,599 implemented until the final billion as 1071 00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,839 treasur noted. So there's a bit of time 1072 00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:01,440 to look at different options. So I would 1073 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,920 just say that uh the discussion with the 1074 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,440 the superintendent is that the 1075 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,200 strategies to come back with a bylaw to 1076 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,480 determine whether or not you could opt 1077 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,560 in, opt out. So there's some time to 1078 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,839 work through things. Um uh so I think 1079 00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:16,079 that is one way that we could look at to 1080 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,920 see how we could generate more revenue 1081 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,240 cost per visit $1 or something like that 1082 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,599 generate that into the and then vet that 1083 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:24,960 with legal to see if it would make 1084 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,079 sense. So noteed I would say um as an 1085 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,079 alternative way to fund it. Um you think 1086 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,720 of like uh we we I wasn't in the call 1087 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,720 but I was talking to the treasure 1088 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,880 McGonagal before today's meeting about 1089 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,560 this discussion. I said what about the 1090 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,920 arenas? You know arenas you pay $143 for 1091 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,839 your hour and taxation pays for the 1092 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:46,079 other proportional cost of that arena. 1093 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:49,359 And the there was a the the lawyer kind 1094 00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:51,440 of had the sense well the the arena's 1095 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,760 accessible by all population all of the 1096 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,040 population. So I think we just need to 1097 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,040 look at it a bit more but this is a a 1098 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,240 mechanism by which we could generate 1099 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,079 revenue. Let's look into it in greater 1100 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:01,680 depth and see if it's an alternative and 1101 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,800 how would you actually implement 1102 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,000 implement that? Is it a dollar per 1103 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,839 visit? Is it a cost additional cost on 1104 00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:08,560 tonnage? There's a few ways to do it. So 1105 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,839 if that if that's okay, we could 1106 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:11,200 continue to investigate that 1107 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,109 >> followup. Yeah. Sorry if I may, mayor. 1108 00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:13,119 » followup. Yeah. Sorry if I may, mayor. 1109 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,920 Um and that that's my only concern is 1110 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,839 that we're discussing this right now 1111 00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,400 recognizing that we need to like we're 1112 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,680 going to pay for this no matter what, 1113 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,160 but I just want to make sure by the 1114 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,560 sounds of it that the bylaw is coming. 1115 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,560 We can we can discuss this further. Like 1116 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,480 this isn't set in stone that that all 1117 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,440 ICI properties are getting a $446 extra 1118 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,119 fee on their bill come October whatever 1119 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:38,240 the 1120 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,069 >> the present fees and charges bylaw 1121 00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:40,079 » the present fees and charges bylaw 1122 00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:41,760 that's attached to the council agenda 1123 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,800 has no amount in it for this. So it's 1124 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,040 blank at present moment and it will 1125 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,119 amend that fees and charges bylaw when 1126 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:50,560 we make a decision on the how we're 1127 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,800 going to fund this. 1128 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,150 >> I'm just going to jump in before I give 1129 00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:54,160 » I'm just going to jump in before I give 1130 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,040 the floor to councelor Trim. Um, from a 1131 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,119 council perspective, could the argument 1132 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,440 be we have made the decision to provide 1133 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,040 this level of service to our ICI 1134 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,800 residents? 1135 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,720 We're not sure how that's going to jig 1136 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,599 out for another 6 months. Could we make 1137 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,119 the commitment to cover it with general 1138 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:14,880 taxation 1139 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,079 until we sort it out 1140 00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,720 at uh the the time that the bylaw is 1141 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,319 presented whether or not there's another 1142 00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:26,150 source of revenue? 1143 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,240 I would say it's possible. Um the piece 1144 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,800 that would be noted would be is if 1145 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,720 because technically taxation can pay for 1146 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,640 any service that the township deems to 1147 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,280 provide. Um, so then the taxation piece 1148 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,480 would the total cost was around 63,000 I 1149 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,440 believe if memory serves. Um, so let's 1150 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,359 say we're in March or so whenever it 1151 00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,839 happens. So one quarter of that. So 1152 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,079 you'd see about a 1153 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,240 quarter of a percent not quite of a 1154 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,079 overall increase to the to the overall 1155 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,160 levy instead of the 5.8 it would have to 1156 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,200 be added in to bring us closer six 6.05 1157 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,079 somewhere in that range. Mhm. 1158 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:03,680 And and the argument being that we're 1159 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,040 trying to make sure that we divert 1160 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,720 recycling away from the landfill, which 1161 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,560 is a benefit to all residents. 1162 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,829 >> Correct. 1163 00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:09,839 » Correct. 1164 00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:12,550 >> Yeah. Uh council, it puts it in it puts 1165 00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:12,560 » Yeah. Uh council, it puts it in it puts 1166 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,319 its in a little bit of a gray area, but 1167 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,319 at least we are acknowledging that yes, 1168 00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:19,520 we are accepting the cost. We are not 1169 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,680 directing that it be uh put on the ICI 1170 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,200 identified users at this point in time 1171 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,960 and we'll make that final decision as 1172 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,280 part of the bylaw. Good. And I'll go to 1173 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,960 Sorry, CO. Do you want to counter first? 1174 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,950 >> I could just to the treasur ask the 1175 00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:32,960 » I could just to the treasur ask the 1176 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,200 question is can we leave it unfinanced 1177 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,640 and deal with it at the tax rate in May. 1178 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,079 That was kind of be the so we're not 1179 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,200 actually going to present that we're 1180 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,920 increasing the levy by another.3% now 1181 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,119 when we 1182 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:46,470 >> communicate this to the public the 1183 00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:46,480 » communicate this to the public the 1184 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,079 budget to the public it would be dealt 1185 00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,760 with at a tax rate time 1186 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,710 >> in May. Thanks. 1187 00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:50,720 » in May. Thanks. 1188 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,190 >> Good. 1189 00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:53,200 » Good. 1190 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,280 Thank you councelor Trim. 1191 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,150 >> Yes. Uh, that's all fine and I certainly 1192 00:49:00,150 --> 00:49:00,160 » Yes. Uh, that's all fine and I certainly 1193 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,079 am not disagreeing with it, but I'm 1194 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,880 reminded that the philosophy of the 1195 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,839 province, they did this on purpose. They 1196 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:12,400 want this the the ICIs to contribute to 1197 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,240 the cost of recycling. That's what they 1198 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,800 want. Uh, it's it's not an accident. 1199 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,680 It's their philosophy, their plan. 1200 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,079 What's unfair about it is that everybody 1201 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,839 gets charged the same rate whether 1202 00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:26,240 you're a a big business or a small 1203 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:29,119 business or a a little church or a big 1204 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:30,880 church. 1205 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,440 That's the unfair part about it. But the 1206 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,640 philosophy it it the province is very 1207 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,520 clear on it. They do want the businesses 1208 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,119 to contributing to the cost of 1209 00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:45,280 recycling. So I don't know how we we 1210 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,240 squiggle and squeeze around that. Uh but 1211 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,000 we need to be what I'm want is to be 1212 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,240 very very transparent with the people 1213 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,640 who are actually going to pay for it the 1214 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,359 taxes. Thank you Mr. Mayor. 1215 00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:02,069 >> No and again that's the process by which 1216 00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:02,079 » No and again that's the process by which 1217 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,200 we make that that implement that bylaw 1218 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,720 will is it one price for everyone? Is 1219 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,040 there opt out? Is there opt in? There's 1220 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,400 a there's a whole bunch of things that I 1221 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,760 think will have to get ironed out as 1222 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,240 part of that bylaw will help answer that 1223 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,160 that point that you've raised. 1224 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,430 >> Anything CEO? 1225 00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:19,440 » Anything CEO? 1226 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,270 >> Yeah. And maybe the strategies to fund 1227 00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:21,280 » Yeah. And maybe the strategies to fund 1228 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,800 it from revenue from elsewhere is like a 1229 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,480 you know you you do that over three 1230 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,640 years and then they'll pay you know 75% 1231 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,800 of that and 85% and then you could you 1232 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,160 know you could we'll look at those 1233 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,280 options if you 1234 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,190 >> Yeah. So I think it's great discussion 1235 00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:35,200 » Yeah. So I think it's great discussion 1236 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,880 because I think it's given staff some 1237 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,800 perspective as to our viewpoint on the 1238 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,359 problem. Good. Are we good to carry on 1239 00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:44,000 past this? Oh, councelor Homestead. 1240 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,950 >> No, just a sticky point. Um, I'm again 1241 00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:46,960 » No, just a sticky point. Um, I'm again 1242 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,319 trying to understand coming from a 1243 00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,720 business side as well. Is it accurate to 1244 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:54,559 say that it was legal 1245 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,040 before the new laws come out to share it 1246 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,960 across because everybody paid the 168 1247 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200 and now due to the new changes it 1248 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,839 they've made it illegal. Is that what 1249 00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:08,880 advice we're receiving from our from our 1250 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,000 legal team? 1251 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,270 >> Which staff? 1252 00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:13,280 » Which staff? 1253 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,510 >> I treasur I can. So the the issue was is 1254 00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:17,520 » I treasur I can. So the the issue was is 1255 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,480 that before recycling was provided by 1256 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,920 the township because we were the actual 1257 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,640 payer of the contract to every property. 1258 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,040 So that cost was disseminated to all 1259 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,400 properties that benefited from the 1260 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,319 service. We were providing recycling. We 1261 00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:32,000 were providing garbage. We were 1262 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,920 providing uh the actual contractor that 1263 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,280 picked it up. What is and but in it the 1264 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,800 other side of it was the government was 1265 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,480 providing us a grant to help us do the 1266 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,720 recycling piece. Now it is switched 1267 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,319 around that we are not receiving money 1268 00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:46,160 from the government as a grant because 1269 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,480 they've removed themselves removed us 1270 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,040 completely from the recycling equation. 1271 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,800 So since we're not doing that service 1272 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,520 for all 3,800 or 780 properties anymore, 1273 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,119 we're only going to do recycling for 1274 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,280 these 153. That's where it becomes 1275 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,000 challenging because it's no longer a 1276 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,880 majority of seeing it or of incurring 1277 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,880 these costs. That's where the issue 1278 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,960 comes in is the the fee for service 1279 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,960 through the municipal act is it's a fee 1280 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,240 for the service of the people who 1281 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,480 benefit from that service. So if you're 1282 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,319 not receiving the service or Q can't 1283 00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:19,839 receive the service, there's no need for 1284 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:21,839 the for a resident to receive recycling 1285 00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:23,119 from us. They're already getting it from 1286 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:24,800 the province. So it's not a service that 1287 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,480 the municipality needs to provide to 1288 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,040 them. We're only providing it to these 1289 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,839 153. That's where the the issue comes in 1290 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:34,079 is we're it's not part of the overall 1291 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,079 collection cost anymore. It's a we're 1292 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:37,280 doing a separate collection because it's 1293 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,880 even a separate truck that goes out on a 1294 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,880 Friday to pick up your your commercial 1295 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,319 stuff now. It's not even with your 1296 00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,599 garbage the way it used to be. 1297 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:46,559 I hope that 1298 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,790 >> Yeah, that that's clear. Thank you. 1299 00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:48,800 » Yeah, that that's clear. Thank you. 1300 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,470 >> Good. And when we come back to talk 1301 00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:50,480 » Good. And when we come back to talk 1302 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,000 about this bylaw, we're going to have to 1303 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,440 make sure there's a legal component to 1304 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,160 that discussion. 1305 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,710 >> Good. Councelor Trim. 1306 00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:58,720 » Good. Councelor Trim. 1307 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:03,030 >> Yes. And I asked that very question of 1308 00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:03,040 » Yes. And I asked that very question of 1309 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,760 the minister in a workshop 1310 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,760 at AMO 1311 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,520 and Minister Flax's answer was we never 1312 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,920 paid for the commercial garbage pickup. 1313 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,200 Uh and I don't I didn't get an 1314 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,079 explanation of that because I understood 1315 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,040 it was the way the grant was structured. 1316 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,680 And so uh as far as the ministry is 1317 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,280 concerned, there's no change. Um it's 1318 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,240 just the administration of it and what 1319 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,680 people see uh is is definitely a big 1320 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,960 change. So that's the answer I got for 1321 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,119 the question that councelor Mstead is 1322 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,920 asking. 1323 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,309 >> No. Great points. Good. Have we got 1324 00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:48,319 » No. Great points. Good. Have we got 1325 00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:49,680 enough on this point from a staff 1326 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,280 perspective? 1327 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,760 I just want to make sure. Okay. We have 1328 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,240 to I want to be able to move this budget 1329 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,200 on. Okay, good. So, that we are going to 1330 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,359 be coming back to that is a great big 1331 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:03,119 placeholder for that discussion in the 1332 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,559 future. So, are there any other 1333 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,559 questions before I go to the specific 1334 00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:08,559 slides here? Any other general questions 1335 00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:15,750 on slides 1 to 28? 1336 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,240 Okay, I'm going to go to slide 14, 1337 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,319 which is the the public comments on 1338 00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:27,119 operating. And um I just wanted to make 1339 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:28,880 sure that we as a council publicly 1340 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,319 acknowledge this feedback that we've 1341 00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:32,640 received from a number of different 1342 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,760 residents. And is there anything like 1343 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,079 the treasur has already articulated, we 1344 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,480 are investigating the op billing as part 1345 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,400 of uh advocacy through Roma and AMO. 1346 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,800 Uh we have a continued effort to look at 1347 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,880 shared services and fee for services 1348 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,079 from the county and other agencies. 1349 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,040 Point number one there. 1350 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,599 Is there any other direction or 1351 00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,200 questions or comments from members of 1352 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:09,990 council and any other public feedback? 1353 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,599 Good. Councelor Moore, 1354 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,920 um, can somebody refresh my memory of 1355 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,400 what we decided about funding Penrook 1356 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,200 Pool? Did we ever have an have a talk 1357 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,640 about that or was it just sort of put 1358 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,319 off till another meeting and we never we 1359 00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:27,040 never did it? 1360 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,000 Yeah, 1361 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,150 >> I would just say the the the staff are 1362 00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:30,160 » I would just say the the the staff are 1363 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,680 continuing to engage together with the 1364 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,280 city of Pemrook and the town of Renfruit 1365 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,599 of recreational services and I think our 1366 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,240 our manager spoke to the city of Pemrook 1367 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,319 as recently as this week or late last 1368 00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:44,950 week. Maybe you could provide an update. 1369 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,359 » So, the city of Pemrook is interested in 1370 00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,280 pursuing a type of agreement for this 1371 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,680 summer. Um, and uh we would look forward 1372 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,000 to see what we can put forward. Um, it 1373 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,760 sounds like it's going to probably be a 1374 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,319 matter of us coordinating more and uh 1375 00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,480 them providing confirmation of the 1376 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,119 registrations, but uh we would look 1377 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,960 forward to that in the budget. 1378 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,589 >> And will it be annual or just summer um 1379 00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:07,599 » And will it be annual or just summer um 1380 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,359 um learning how to swim type thing? 1381 00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,030 >> Summer, the same type of program that 1382 00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:11,040 » Summer, the same type of program that 1383 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,400 ran in 2023. 1384 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,829 >> Okay. Thank you. 1385 00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:18,960 » Okay. Okay, if there's no other 1386 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,960 questions or comments, then I I can say 1387 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,640 that we have duly acknowledged the 1388 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,880 public input into the operating 1389 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,480 component of the budget. Thank you, 1390 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,640 treasurer, for doing that. The next 1391 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,880 slide I would like to go to is slide 1392 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,440 number 16, which is the public comments 1393 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,720 that we received from capital 1394 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,960 and the associated response from staff 1395 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,400 on slide 17. Is there any comments, 1396 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,480 questions or points that council wants 1397 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,559 to make on this public comment, these 1398 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:51,430 public comments? 1399 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,839 Yes, sorry. Councelor White. 1400 00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:57,030 >> Yes. Um, regarding Zion Line, excuse me, 1401 00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:57,040 » Yes. Um, regarding Zion Line, excuse me, 1402 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,240 and Government Road. So, in this year's 1403 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,040 budget, we're proposing $660,000 1404 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,000 for Government Road and nothing for Zion 1405 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,319 Line. Correct. 1406 00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:09,109 >> That's correct. 1407 00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:09,119 » That's correct. 1408 00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:13,190 >> Okay. So, um, for Zion Line, if I add up 1409 00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:13,200 » Okay. So, um, for Zion Line, if I add up 1410 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,359 these three numbers, we have spent $2.3 1411 00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:18,400 million on Zion Line. And in that same 1412 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,880 amount of time, how much money have we 1413 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,760 spent on government road? Do we know? 1414 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,230 >> I'm sorry. The Are you talking the 1415 00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:26,240 » I'm sorry. The Are you talking the 1416 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,000 sheets that I handed out? 1417 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,230 >> So, it's not an addup. 1418 00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:30,240 » So, it's not an addup. 1419 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,630 >> Um, so it's different costings. So the 1420 00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:32,640 » Um, so it's different costings. So the 1421 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,960 top one is costing of a million dollars 1422 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,960 ashfalt if the road was widened to meet 1423 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,359 the act of transportation for the same 1424 00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:41,280 chunk of road. It's Fortress Fault to 1425 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,520 West Ross. Same chunk of road if we were 1426 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,000 to do just ashvault and not widen the 1427 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,960 road $700,000 which is unwidened and 1428 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,720 wouldn't meet the uh active 1429 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,079 transportation plan. And then if we were 1430 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,119 to just do ashvault from Papen Road or 1431 00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,280 sorry DST from Papen Road to Forers 1432 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,799 Falls Road be 660,000. They're 1433 00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:00,799 individual costs. They're not added up. 1434 00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:02,240 That would be the cost if we were to do 1435 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,920 that road over government road this 1436 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,109 year. 1437 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,440 » Okay. 1438 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,390 >> So, we've done work on Zion line in 200 1439 00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:14,400 » So, we've done work on Zion line in 200 1440 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,520 since early 2000 since 2006. 1441 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,390 >> You got it. Yeah. 1442 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:18,400 » You got it. Yeah. 1443 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,549 >> Okay. What about government road? What 1444 00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:20,559 » Okay. What about government road? What 1445 00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:22,640 have we done on government road in 1446 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,720 between 2006 and now? 1447 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,069 >> I'll pass that to the manager public 1448 00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:26,079 » I'll pass that to the manager public 1449 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:27,599 works. 1450 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,750 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, Government Road, uh, 1451 00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:29,760 » Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, Government Road, uh, 1452 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,160 sorry, in 2016, 1453 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,960 um, they did a DST and then they, uh, 1454 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,520 surfaced, uh, portion of the road, but 1455 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,630 all done in one year in 2016. 1456 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,799 » So, DST and 1457 00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:48,150 >> and and a a a single surface all in one 1458 00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:48,160 » and and a a a single surface all in one 1459 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:48,720 year. 1460 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,430 >> Do we know the cost of what that was 1461 00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:51,440 » Do we know the cost of what that was 1462 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,280 roughly? 1463 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,109 >> Not total cost. I have the cost just for 1464 00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:55,119 » Not total cost. I have the cost just for 1465 00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:56,880 what what they paid for the contractor, 1466 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,400 but I didn't have the cost for the 1467 00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,920 gravel, anything else. 1468 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,150 >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. 1469 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:04,160 » Okay. Okay. Thank you. 1470 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,910 >> Any other comments from members of 1471 00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:05,920 » Any other comments from members of 1472 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,880 council? 1473 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,109 >> Yeah, councelor Trim. 1474 00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:11,119 » Yeah, councelor Trim. 1475 00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:14,470 >> I I'm just wondering at is this the time 1476 00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:14,480 » I I'm just wondering at is this the time 1477 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,200 that we're going to be deciding 1478 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,680 uh uh with respect to uh these two 1479 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,319 roads? Is this is this the point where 1480 00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:26,240 we're going to be having the discussion 1481 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:32,240 to decide as it is now? Um the uh uh the 1482 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,040 recommendation is government road but I 1483 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,000 don't want to be 1484 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,760 interfering with what you have planned 1485 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,119 Mr. Mayor. 1486 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,030 >> No, this is the point in time that we 1487 00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:43,040 » No, this is the point in time that we 1488 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,960 want to discuss this and it rolls up 1489 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,960 into the the resolution that we have at 1490 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,520 the end of the meeting. So yes, if you 1491 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,160 want to discuss this road Zion line 1492 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,480 versus what's been proposed in the 1493 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,880 budget, this is the time to do it. 1494 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,829 >> May I continue then? 1495 00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:57,839 » May I continue then? 1496 00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:00,309 >> Yes, please. 1497 01:00:00,309 --> 01:00:00,319 » Yes, please. 1498 01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:03,430 >> Okay. To prepare myself for this 1499 01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:03,440 » Okay. To prepare myself for this 1500 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,599 meeting, I did have a chat with the 1501 01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,280 director of public works and but I was 1502 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,280 I've know much of this information 1503 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,559 that's being presented today. Uh, also 1504 01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:18,559 that isn't included here is is the um uh 1505 01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:23,599 the the traffic count and uh and so 1506 01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,520 personally I need to make a decision on 1507 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,119 some some facts. It I I know that there 1508 01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:33,839 are probably people living on government 1509 01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:36,160 road that could come and make an 1510 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,040 impassion plea for us to do that road. 1511 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,720 According to the director, both roads 1512 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,400 are in similar disrepair. Uh we can't 1513 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,000 say one is uh significantly worse than 1514 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,640 the other. And so I'm not prepared to 1515 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,559 flip a coin here. I I want to base my 1516 01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,920 decision on other facts. Uh the traffic 1517 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:06,319 count is somewhat more on ZIL. Uh, I'm 1518 01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,559 not going to say twice as much, but it 1519 01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:11,040 is considerably more. The um 1520 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,549 >> Sorry to interrupt, but it is on this 1521 01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:12,559 » Sorry to interrupt, but it is on this 1522 01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:13,440 sheet. 1523 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,230 >> Oh, sorry. I missed it. I I was told it, 1524 01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:16,240 » Oh, sorry. I missed it. I I was told it, 1525 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,920 but I'm not. Okay. And and the the um 1526 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,520 dates of um 1527 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,119 rehabilitation 1528 01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:30,160 are older for the Z line. So, based on 1529 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,079 um all of those facts, uh Mr. Mayor, I'm 1530 01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,200 going to say now before you ask me that 1531 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,559 I'm going to recommend that we do spend 1532 01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,319 our 1533 01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:46,559 uh budget money this year on um the 1534 01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,280 rehabilitation of the Zel line, whatever 1535 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,960 that means. And uh because I know that 1536 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,960 included there could be some culvert 1537 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,799 work. I know the brushing has been done, 1538 01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:58,720 but there could be some culvert work and 1539 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,480 some gravel. And so whatever it means is 1540 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,720 what I'm going to be voting for. Thank 1541 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,030 you, Mr. Mayor. 1542 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,280 » Any other comments on timeline? Sorry. 1543 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,960 And I've seen you already, so I'll go to 1544 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,319 other people. Councelor Moore, 1545 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:20,230 >> I know it was discussed at the time that 1546 01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:20,240 » I know it was discussed at the time that 1547 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,760 um um Government Road was the older of 1548 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,520 the two and that we had thought maybe um 1549 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,920 we would continue with doing that road 1550 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,000 and then we had the delegation of design 1551 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,839 line. I'm sure we could get another 1552 01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:36,079 delegation from Government Road to say 1553 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,119 the same thing. Um, and it's not to to 1554 01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,520 pick a fight between the the two, but 1555 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,760 we've we found this in many years of 1556 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,160 council, whether it be Sturgeon Mountain 1557 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,559 Road or whatever, um, anytime we go to 1558 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:50,160 do work on it, somebody always feels 1559 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,440 that there's another road requires more 1560 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,400 urgent help. So, 1561 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,880 in keeping with the staff point of view, 1562 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,640 the staff are saying it's time to do 1563 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,359 government road. And of the complaints 1564 01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:06,000 that I've received in the last 3 years, 1565 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,960 um, majority are from government road, 1566 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,119 but other counselors are getting the 1567 01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:14,319 complaints from Z line. So, probably 1568 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:17,839 equals out just as well. But, um, in 1569 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:20,000 order for our staff to make a decision 1570 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,520 on what we as council want them to do, 1571 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,359 uh, we're up in the air. So, how can our 1572 01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,839 how can our staff make a decision? So, 1573 01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:29,599 uh, right now I'm behind my staff member 1574 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,680 who says government road is next in 1575 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,270 line. 1576 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,280 » Good. Any other feedback from Council 1577 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,720 Homestead? 1578 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,430 >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, 1579 01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:41,440 » Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, 1580 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,480 I do know that I've seen a schedule of 1581 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,559 upcoming um, budgets. 1582 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,359 Do we have Zion on 2027's current 1583 01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:53,599 budget? 1584 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:57,510 >> Right now, it's 2028. 2028. 1585 01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:57,520 » Right now, it's 2028. 2028. 1586 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,069 >> Okay, great. Thank you. 1587 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:06,000 » Good. Any other council feedback? 1588 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,390 >> We have one suggesting a change. 1589 01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:10,400 » We have one suggesting a change. 1590 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,160 Councelor White, if you'd like to go, 1591 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:12,960 there's no one else. 1592 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,430 >> Um, is there another recommendation 1593 01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:15,440 » Um, is there another recommendation 1594 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,760 coming forward from anyone from any 1595 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,079 staff member or are we leaving it as 1596 01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:25,359 only for um Government Road? 1597 01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:27,520 CEO 1598 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,190 >> um I think as it stands the so so the 1599 01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:31,200 » um I think as it stands the so so the 1600 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,520 maybe I'll just bring it back to the 1601 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,200 original recommendation to do government 1602 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,039 road so the reason you know as councelor 1603 01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,599 trim noted is the AADTS are somewhat 1604 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,079 higher on Z line the conditions are 1605 01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,559 generally in disrepair for both roads 1606 01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,160 among many other roads in our in our 1607 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,200 community um one of the constraints 1608 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,880 which led to the recommendation for 1609 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,839 government road is the the financial 1610 01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:00,240 amount of money we have the 660 $660,000 1611 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,440 it aligns itself well with the length of 1612 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,280 road for government road um being ashalt 1613 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,960 um what you have before you treasure 1614 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,440 McDonald could share on the screen um 1615 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,680 this sheet of paper um 1616 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,760 gives essentially three options if you 1617 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,240 will under costing 1618 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,039 hyphen Z line, Z line, Z line. Those are 1619 01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:27,440 three options. And 1620 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,640 the reason why we were in some sense not 1621 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,720 recommending Z line is because the cost 1622 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,319 to do Z design 1623 01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:40,160 um based on the current policies of 1624 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,400 council, namely the active 1625 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,200 transportation plan. Z Line's intended 1626 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,760 to be an active transportation route, 1627 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,640 which means it's a widen road. 1628 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,280 And the costing for that widen road to 1629 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,480 to comply and meet our active transport 1630 01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,799 would be around a million dollars. So we 1631 01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:00,240 don't have a million dollars. So if 1632 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,960 we're going to do a road and government 1633 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,640 road is is being recommended at this 1634 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,359 point in time and and remains. If 1635 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:09,839 council chooses at their discretion, 1636 01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:13,039 they could do a less widen road which 1637 01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:14,400 does not meet their active 1638 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,920 transportation plan and it would cost 1639 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,559 $700,000 and would more or less fit in 1640 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,480 the budget. we could alter some other 1641 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,640 capital items. So that's kind of where 1642 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,119 the original recommendation came from. 1643 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:26,720 Um 1644 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,319 the question that we pose as staff to 1645 01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:31,440 council is uh the active transportation 1646 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,400 plan is to some degree maybe an 1647 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,000 increased level of service. It's a need. 1648 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,920 I mean it it impro improves the quality 1649 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,319 of life of our residents, safety of our 1650 01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:43,200 roads and the like. So, um, in the 2028 1651 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,880 and I'll just have the the I'll close 1652 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,000 out with this to the directors. The the 1653 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,680 in 2028 Zion line at $1.1 million, does 1654 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,359 that include the widening of the road? 1655 01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:55,910 >> That is correct. 1656 01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:55,920 » That is correct. 1657 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,710 >> That's correct. So, I mean, basically 1658 01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:58,720 » That's correct. So, I mean, basically 1659 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,079 what is before council is this $660,000. 1660 01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:05,119 We could um do government road this year 1661 01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,200 and it's within the budget. We could do 1662 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,160 design line at a reduced scope for 700 1663 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,160 which would fit within the budget or we 1664 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,319 we postpone it to 2028 in the in the 1665 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,880 chart the unfunded big capital list here 1666 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,760 that's unfunded and might change uh for 1667 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,680 2028 which includes the widening of the 1668 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,079 road. So uh I think the deliberations on 1669 01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,480 this projection and levels of service 1670 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,160 it'll look at this active transportation 1671 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,440 plan a little bit closer and whether or 1672 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,640 not we want to increase levels of 1673 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,880 service and follow that. Uh but that's 1674 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,400 kind of what's before council is the 1675 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,799 government road 660 fits in the budget. 1676 01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:41,200 Reduce scope of design line from 1677 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,680 Foresters Falls to West Ross. You're in 1678 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,160 that $700,000 for Ashvalt as well. So 1679 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,160 that's that's where it stands. So our 1680 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,760 recommendation to answer the original 1681 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,359 question stands at Government Road. If I 1682 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:53,760 look at my my director uh that that's 1683 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,440 kind of where we stand. 1684 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,190 >> Thanks. 1685 01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:57,200 » Thanks. 1686 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,870 >> Good question. 1687 01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:58,880 » Good question. 1688 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,280 any comments as a result of the CEO's 1689 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,960 and I will come to you councelor Trim if 1690 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,039 there's no one else at this point in 1691 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:06,640 time. Yeah, councelor Bell first then 1692 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,799 councelor trim. This is just a general 1693 01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:11,599 comment but I feel like at this point 1694 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:14,240 the widening of roads the extra costs 1695 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,520 that are going to be associated with 1696 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:16,880 doing this year-over-year because I know 1697 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,239 we have a number of roads we talked 1698 01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:19,759 about doing it on Grand Settlement Road 1699 01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:21,920 that's that got dialed back that's no 1700 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,400 longer on the on the schedule now for 1701 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,040 the next few years. Um, this is going to 1702 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,159 be a topic of conversation for the next 1703 01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,000 next group of council members and 1704 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,239 probably the council members after that. 1705 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,560 If the intent is to continue to increase 1706 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,080 that level of service on the roads, then 1707 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,400 we're going to have to decide that we're 1708 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,080 not doing the basics on other roads. So, 1709 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,600 I feel like at this point in time when 1710 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,719 we're looking at these 5-year 1711 01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:48,239 projections and we can't afford anything 1712 01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:53,120 moving forward, like I I don't know if 1713 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,560 we should be making a decision today 1714 01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,719 based on an increased level of service 1715 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,799 that I'm assuming in a year or two, 1716 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:02,880 we're still going to be looking at 1717 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,640 scaling those decisions back to make 1718 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,560 sure that they fit within the budget. 1719 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,159 Um, 1720 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:10,719 so from my perspective, I know both 1721 01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:14,000 roads are in disrepair. We heard uh the 1722 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,000 delegation from Zion Line the other day. 1723 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,000 They make a bunch of good points looking 1724 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,719 at the average daily drivers um for 469 1725 01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:26,239 versus 269. Um, 1726 01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,199 just looking at this from like a general 1727 01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:32,719 uh taxpayer perspective, there's 469 1728 01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:35,600 drivers on that road a day that are 1729 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,759 going to appreciate an update in the 1730 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:40,159 surface and and 1731 01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,000 not driving over a road that's in 1732 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,319 disrepair versus the 269 on government 1733 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:49,759 road. I I'm happy to leave it up to the 1734 01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:53,279 expertise of of the individuals that do 1735 01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,400 this on a daily basis. Um, but I 1736 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,800 recognize that Zion Line obviously has 1737 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,400 more more daily traffic. And honestly, 1738 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,600 the the residents of the Zion line 1739 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,920 probably don't care about the widened 1740 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,600 portion of the road. They just want to 1741 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,199 make sure that they can get to and from 1742 01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:12,800 their houses on a daily basis without 1743 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,400 taking the oil pans out of their cars. 1744 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,400 So, um I I just whenever we talk about 1745 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,280 this increased scope of of widening the 1746 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,840 road for active transportation, well, it 1747 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,920 basically doubles the cost of of doing 1748 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,440 it in DST, right? Um 1749 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,040 I know that doesn't really give any 1750 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,920 solutions, but it's just I 1751 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,600 I don't want to be making decisions 1752 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,560 today based on something that we 1753 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,719 probably can't afford in a year or two. 1754 01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:43,760 just looking into the next year, year or 1755 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,400 two of budgets of knowing that this is 1756 01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,760 going to be an issue, affordability 1757 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,750 issue moving forward. 1758 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:52,880 » Good. Thank you for sharing your 1759 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,080 thoughts on that one. And I'll go to 1760 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,520 councelor Trim. 1761 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,030 >> Uh yes, the comments I was going to make 1762 01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:59,040 » Uh yes, the comments I was going to make 1763 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,520 were made by uh councelor Bell. Uh I 1764 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,080 generally am opposed to uh increasing 1765 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,239 levels of service 1766 01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:13,760 uh on not increasing levels of service 1767 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,560 until we are doing well with the 1768 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,159 services we're committed to. Uh and so I 1769 01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:23,600 know that bicycle lanes and walking uh 1770 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,880 shoulders uh would be 1771 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,960 a benefit. I I'm not saying that they 1772 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,560 wouldn't be. However, uh until we have 1773 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,840 all of our roads up to scratch, uh then 1774 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,600 I I think that that's something we can't 1775 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,480 afford. However, having said that, I'm 1776 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:43,360 wondering if the director, Mr. Lane 1777 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,120 could could tell us how much if if his 1778 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,760 cost estimates includes 1779 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,080 the extra width that the last section of 1780 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,440 the design line got because uh I think 1781 01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:59,360 we should try to accommodate farm 1782 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,719 machinery at the very least. Um so 1783 01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:04,080 perhaps he could give us that 1784 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,480 information. Maybe not today. Thank you, 1785 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,750 Mr. Mayor. 1786 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,320 » Noted. 1787 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,800 Perfect. Any other discussion on this? 1788 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,440 Sorry. 1789 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,350 >> Yes. Yes. Sorry, I was waiting for the 1790 01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:21,360 » Yes. Yes. Sorry, I was waiting for the 1791 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,159 CEO to throw that ball to Lane. So, 1792 01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,000 good. We'll give it to manager of public 1793 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:26,320 works. 1794 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,510 >> Yes. If I can add um yes, both roads are 1795 01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:29,520 » Yes. If I can add um yes, both roads are 1796 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,679 in poor condition as we're all aware. Um 1797 01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:36,560 why originally why we're following 1798 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,600 policy as the for the act of 1799 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,280 transportation. Um that's why uh Zline 1800 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,640 did not fit in this year's budget within 1801 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:52,880 the the allocation for for roads. Um 1802 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,120 in talking to our our our uh public 1803 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,480 works staff that uh government road is 1804 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:06,400 patched more often than Z line. um 1805 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,600 resign line I it's been on for the last 1806 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,400 three four years it has been selected um 1807 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,880 but talking to uh the the the road super 1808 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,840 um even today um I travel with both of 1809 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,480 them again today's to ensure that 1810 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:25,199 junction was coming up um I can tell you 1811 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,920 that government road is in worse shape 1812 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,040 today with potholes as we patched than 1813 01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,280 it is design line so I think I think 1814 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:34,640 originally 1815 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,640 Um, Zing need needs to be done. I think 1816 01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,719 it needs to be but I think uh with the 1817 01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:43,440 the the condition of Government Road, it 1818 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:46,719 needs to be done sooner than Z line. Um 1819 01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,239 I've been back and forth. I talking to 1820 01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,320 councelor Trim yesterday. I am back and 1821 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,080 forth. I you can be we can do either one 1822 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,400 of them need both both be done. But um I 1823 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,960 think to at this point I think my 1824 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,280 recommendation is to carry on with with 1825 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:08,470 Government Road. 1826 01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:10,000 Good. Does that bring any other 1827 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,679 comments? 1828 01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:15,440 Now, I'll just recognize uh um one 1829 01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,840 comment about 2028. Councelor Mstead 1830 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,880 brought it up. When is Xylon Zion 1831 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,000 forecasted for in the 5-year plan? 1832 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,800 The challenge is 2027 isn't fully 1833 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,600 funded. So, 2027 runs us into a deficit. 1834 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,679 2028 runs us into another deficit. So, 1835 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:38,159 uh, resting on the fact that, oh yeah, 1836 01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:39,840 don't worry, we have it. We we don't 1837 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,880 have it scheduled. It's it is written in 1838 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,400 sand on the beach and and that's what 1839 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,080 our our budget committee is going to 1840 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,719 have to look at in the coming months 1841 01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:52,719 because you we're just we're just 1842 01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:56,239 pushing the problem out one more year. 1843 01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,870 >> Good. Uh, sorry. Uh, back to manager of 1844 01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:58,880 » Good. Uh, sorry. Uh, back to manager of 1845 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,000 public works. 1846 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,669 >> Yes. I have to add one thing. This was 1847 01:15:01,669 --> 01:15:01,679 » Yes. I have to add one thing. This was 1848 01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:05,120 brought up this uh councelor White 1849 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,920 brought up uh in one of the first or 1850 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,040 second meetings is um also addition with 1851 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,480 as you see in 2027 um there's there is 1852 01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:17,760 some uh some third lifts or a a single 1853 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:22,560 surf put on to DST for example um Brmley 1854 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,600 Road Bramley line sorry needs it's right 1855 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,480 on the it's very similar to what we did 1856 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:32,400 um with uh 1857 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,760 um sorry 1858 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:33,990 >> road. 1859 01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:34,000 » road. 1860 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,310 >> Rapid road. Thank you. Um it's very like 1861 01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:36,320 » Rapid road. Thank you. Um it's very like 1862 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,719 rapid road was probably a year past this 1863 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:41,520 point. We did save it. We spent a bit 1864 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,840 extra money making it good enough to be 1865 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,080 single surface over top. Bromem line has 1866 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,040 come to a point maybe past this point as 1867 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,120 it's in there. Um there is a cost 1868 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,280 savings if we do a third lift versus 1869 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,440 doing the whole road DST. There is as 1870 01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:00,080 shown in the on on the slides. um where 1871 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,360 that really should be done this year, 1872 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,600 but again with with the with the 1873 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,199 constraint 1874 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:07,679 um where we are picking a worse road 1875 01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:10,239 over keeping one of our roads bring it 1876 01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,880 back to to good again. So next year is a 1877 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,679 challenge like as Mayor Nicholson stated 1878 01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:19,120 that there is a 2027 is even a a 1879 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,800 financial uh shortfall even even that at 1880 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,400 that where a design line needs to be 1881 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:31,510 done also. So it is a challenge. 1882 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,280 » Thank you. This is good discussion and 1883 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,520 important um for us to be doing this 1884 01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,960 publicly. I think so. Is there any other 1885 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,000 councelor Bell? Sorry, but uh yeah, and 1886 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,760 just going back looking at the previous 1887 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,040 presentation, these five-year 1888 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,600 projections, the reason Zion line isn't 1889 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:53,440 on for 2027 is because ash fault is also 1890 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,760 scheduled to go back go down between 1891 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,120 Fletcher and P road next year as well. 1892 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,760 So, we're spending that 660 this year, 1893 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,360 737 next year on ashvault for government 1894 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,239 road. And then we've already had these 1895 01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:10,640 discussions, but then it gets back to 1896 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,080 should we just be doing the whole road 1897 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,159 in DST this year to open up the funding 1898 01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:18,159 to resurface another road next year in 1899 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:22,000 DST? Recognizing the life cycle of that, 1900 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,800 it is what it is with DST. Like it's 1901 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,159 hard to believe that that was that 1902 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,400 government road was done in 2016 and 1903 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:33,040 we're 2026 talking about it again for 1904 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,480 $660,000 project. 1905 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:38,239 But is that something that we should be 1906 01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:41,360 considering instead of doing ashvault on 1907 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,760 the two portions over the next two 1908 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,800 years? Do DST for the entire portion 1909 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,120 this year to open up funding to get Zion 1910 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,040 Line done within the next two because 1911 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,560 they brought up a lot of the delegation 1912 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,800 brought up a great point is you know 1913 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,560 it's we're having issues with the 1914 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,159 traffic in Beachburg because trucks 1915 01:17:58,159 --> 01:17:59,760 don't want to be traveling on Zion line 1916 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,679 because of the condition of Zion Line. 1917 01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:04,080 Um there's a fairly significant business 1918 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,560 or very significant business at the end 1919 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,640 of the Zion line that brings in a lot of 1920 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,360 heavy equipment uh on you know through 1921 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,159 both sides of Zion line. The the traffic 1922 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,080 that's seen with the agricultural 1923 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,600 equipment on government road is the same 1924 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,719 as the the the agricultural equipment 1925 01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:25,920 that's driving on on the Zion line. Um 1926 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,000 just again looking at to what we can 1927 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,679 actually afford. Can we actually afford 1928 01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:31,600 to put ashvalt down the entire stretch 1929 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,440 of of government road before we do 1930 01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:38,080 anything with Zion line? That's, you 1931 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,679 know, I brought out that presentation 1932 01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:42,080 from the last budget and I know we've 1933 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,679 already had these discussions, but 1934 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:47,280 we're making the decision now. So, is 1935 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,400 that something that we should be 1936 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:56,229 considering instead? 1937 01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:58,000 » Good. Thank you for throwing all of this 1938 01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,679 out into the middle of the discussion, 1939 01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:02,159 but this is what a committee is for. Uh 1940 01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:03,520 you're supposed to be able to do these 1941 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,400 things. Uh sorry, council, I'm going to 1942 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,400 throw one thing out and then we'll come 1943 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,000 to councelor Mstead and then we'll do 1944 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,159 this. Is that we do have to make a 1945 01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,960 decision today. We we need to It may not 1946 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,360 be the perfect decision. We have 1947 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:18,640 gathered the information. You've 1948 01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,640 received information from the public. 1949 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,880 We've we've drilled into the staff's 1950 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,400 recommendation. We have a staff 1951 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,719 recommendation. Um, but I'll come back 1952 01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:28,000 to both councelor Trim and councelor 1953 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,360 Bell. If you want to put a motion on the 1954 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,640 floor to revisit the existing proposed 1955 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,400 budget, we will we will take a look at 1956 01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,960 that. Good. Councelor Mstead. 1957 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,310 >> Yeah. Um, just an overarching comment, I 1958 01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:40,320 » Yeah. Um, just an overarching comment, I 1959 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,800 guess, in that uh number one. Um, 1960 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,120 sorry. And I didn't see this on my my uh 1961 01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,760 desk earlier, but we do have a 5-year 1962 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:54,719 proposal in front of us um for for um 1963 01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:57,440 roads. First time I think I've ever seen 1964 01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:00,239 that. So, hats off to the input that 1965 01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:03,520 went into it. Um I think it's very 1966 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,440 important that as we go through an asset 1967 01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:08,239 management plan and the input that goes 1968 01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:11,199 into it and the expertise of the people 1969 01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:14,159 that that uh are inputting that 1970 01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:17,600 information that once we get it close we 1971 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,400 have to stick to it otherwise what the 1972 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,159 hell are we doing? Why even have an 1973 01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:24,640 asset management plan? So I think it's 1974 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,280 very important that we're down that road 1975 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,120 now. We got a great 5-year. Is it bang 1976 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,360 on? Who knows? I'm sure there's going to 1977 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,199 be little bits of puts and takes, but 1978 01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:39,040 I've heard as much from government road 1979 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,840 uh texts and phone calls to me as I did 1980 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,040 probably more than Zion Line. So, and 1981 01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,400 that's going to continue through the 1982 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,920 next bunch of councils that everybody 1983 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,360 that lives on that road is going to come 1984 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,040 to us. And that that's that's good. 1985 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,719 They've got they're they're invested and 1986 01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:54,719 they're interested. But I think at some 1987 01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:56,480 point you've got to go, okay, here's the 1988 01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:58,239 plan. And you know, we're not really 1989 01:20:58,239 --> 01:21:00,719 straying from it other than if there's 1990 01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:02,880 some extenduating circumstances that we 1991 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,440 have to we have to uh stray from it. Um, 1992 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:10,159 and again, it's one of the first times 1993 01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:13,760 I've seen ashalt all over the page here. 1994 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,679 I've been on council, this is my 12th 1995 01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,920 year, and I think I've only seen ashalt 1996 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,840 on a list other than if it's in town 1997 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,640 maybe twice, once or twice. So, it's 1998 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,080 great that we're we're getting to a 1999 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,520 point we're actually seeing ashalt, 2000 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,679 which has to take place on these these 2001 01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:30,480 welltraveled roads versus DST. As 2002 01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,199 councelor Bell said, uh, you know, we're 2003 01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:36,159 we're 8 years, 7 years in. I remember 2004 01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:37,600 Zion line, I think we were patching it 2005 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,239 the second year after we we put DST on 2006 01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:43,199 it. So, it we just can't go down the DST 2007 01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:47,679 path on uh these welltraveled roads. So, 2008 01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:50,560 what I would propose is we stick to what 2009 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,600 uh they've have in the plan for 2026. 2010 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,320 Uh we look at 2027, review it, and see 2011 01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:57,679 if there's any changes that can be made 2012 01:21:57,679 --> 01:21:59,440 there. But again, at some point, we've 2013 01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,679 got to go, this is the 5-year plan that 2014 01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:04,159 we're going with, and bearing a whole 2015 01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:07,840 lot of uh issues, we have to stick by 2016 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,159 that because it's and again, it's not 2017 01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:11,520 just roads we're dealing with, it's the 2018 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,719 entire freaking township that we're 2019 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:14,080 trying to get into this asset management 2020 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,639 plan. So, um, anyway, that's my two 2021 01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:17,679 cents. Thank you. 2022 01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:19,350 >> Good. Thank you. And this is perfect. 2023 01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:19,360 » Good. Thank you. And this is perfect. 2024 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,320 Again, this is what committees are for. 2025 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:23,840 Okay. I'm going to turn it back to 2026 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,840 Councelor Trim and Councelor Bell. Both 2027 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,679 of you had made suggestions about 2028 01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:29,920 changing the current. Is that something 2029 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,920 that you'd like to put on the floor? 2030 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,070 >> Uh, yes. I would like uh to move that uh 2031 01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:36,080 » Uh, yes. I would like uh to move that uh 2032 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,040 that this construction season we we 2033 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,840 spend our the 2034 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,040 uh our funds on the uh section of the 2035 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,560 design line that's been indicated and uh 2036 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,639 uh just uh uh a little further to what 2037 01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:55,600 councelor Olmstead said uh I do believe 2038 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,679 in planning and I do believe that we 2039 01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:00,800 should be sticking to uh our our plans. 2040 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,600 Um, however, 2041 01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,639 new in when new information comes in, I 2042 01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:10,080 think that it's appropriate to re 2043 01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,679 rethink uh the plan. And so the new 2044 01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:16,639 information today was that the cost for 2045 01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:19,679 the design line included the active 2046 01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:21,040 living uh the what 2047 01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,310 >> active transportation 2048 01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:22,320 » active transportation 2049 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,390 >> active transportation 2050 01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:24,400 » active transportation 2051 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:31,840 um part. Now if we are if we agree to um 2052 01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,920 eliminate that which is what I propose 2053 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,520 then the um then all of sudden the plan 2054 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,040 changes then it then to me it makes more 2055 01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,239 sense to do the design line because of 2056 01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,960 the traffic count and the the age of the 2057 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:54,000 road and so on and so on. Um a and so 2058 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,639 with that in mind, I'm going to move 2059 01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:58,480 that we make that change. 2060 01:23:58,480 --> 01:23:59,590 >> Good. Thank you. Do I have 2061 01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:59,600 » Good. Thank you. Do I have 2062 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,110 >> And I'm looking for a seconder. Yes. 2063 01:24:01,110 --> 01:24:01,120 » And I'm looking for a seconder. Yes. 2064 01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,629 >> Do I have a seconder? 2065 01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:04,639 » Do I have a seconder? 2066 01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:06,870 >> And I see no seconder. So your motion is 2067 01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:06,880 » And I see no seconder. So your motion is 2068 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,320 not recognized. Uh councelor Bell, would 2069 01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,880 you like to move any of your 2070 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,149 suggestions? 2071 01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:19,360 » No. I think I I tend to agree with uh 2072 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,960 councelor Olmstead. Um I just wanted to 2073 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,679 throw it out on the table just to just 2074 01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:28,000 to see what other counselors thought. 2075 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,400 But um in listening to what our public 2076 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,159 works manager has to say like 2077 01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:37,760 we're going to make the wrong decision 2078 01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,600 in a number of people's eyes. We're 2079 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,360 going to make the right decision in 2080 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:47,120 some. So, I I tend to agree our our 2081 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,560 public works manager, he's he's been 2082 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,159 considering this. He knows all the 2083 01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:55,120 issues on these roads. Um we're going to 2084 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,040 fit it into the budget. We're laying 2085 01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,280 ashall down. I think that is that's a 2086 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,159 that's a good thing. Um just recognizing 2087 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:04,719 we're we're going to get some some 2088 01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:07,600 backlash from the members on Zion line. 2089 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,560 I looking at this five-year plan, it's a 2090 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,040 plan and like councelor Olmstead said, I 2091 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,920 think once we put it into motion, I 2092 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,960 think sticking to it is important. So 2093 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:27,350 it's good 2094 01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,080 instead of on 2095 01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,000 the we're we are we're going to close 2096 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,080 discussion on this item pages page 17 2097 01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,320 basically. Um, direction stands as was 2098 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,960 recommended by staff, but I am going to 2099 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,280 propose that we give staff direction on 2100 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,000 a couple things uh when it comes to our 2101 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,719 committee. And the first one is uh we 2102 01:25:52,719 --> 01:25:55,760 need to re-examine active transportation 2103 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,760 and the impact it has on the level of 2104 01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,280 service. 2105 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,800 Uh in my opinion, I'm I'm sharing 2106 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,520 councelor Bell's thoughts. I think it's 2107 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,520 unaffordable. Councelor Trim brought it 2108 01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,040 up. It's a it's a level of service that 2109 01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,520 we are not prepared. It's going to keep 2110 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,199 taking our main roads identified for 2111 01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:14,880 active transportation off of the list 2112 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,480 because we just we don't have the funds 2113 01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,040 to do them. Uh so I think that's one 2114 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,960 thing that the budget committee should 2115 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,600 look at in the future. 2116 01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:27,840 Uh the second one is uh the three other 2117 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,639 points 2118 01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:32,560 sorry at least the middle two and I'll 2119 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,800 take committee input on the fourth one 2120 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,040 but about the fireh halls about the 2121 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,280 extended life equipment of of current 2122 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,440 assets. I think we make that a task for 2123 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:43,840 our budget committee and our discussion 2124 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,920 about a five-year plan. How do we take 2125 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,000 how do we consider those comments in our 2126 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,719 discussions for our five-year plan? 2127 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:52,719 Uh, and at the fourth one about 2128 01:26:52,719 --> 01:26:56,239 re-rolling our arenas, if you would like 2129 01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:57,840 to have that included, we can add that 2130 01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,199 if there's anyone that wants to add that 2131 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,040 in. 2132 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,040 Okay. I don't see any. So, we'll just 2133 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,360 take the first three as as provided. Is 2134 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,280 any feedback from the committee on that 2135 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,239 direction to staff? 2136 01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,000 No. And I'll just I don't know if 2137 01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,159 there's any public watching or we can 2138 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,159 pass this on to the members of Zion Line 2139 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:17,840 that came and did the delegation. I 2140 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,159 think that's exactly the type of public 2141 01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:22,880 involvement that council needs. It made 2142 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,639 us go back and tear this apart and 2143 01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:28,080 consider a whole bunch of different 2144 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,880 variables. And that's exactly what we 2145 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,960 want in a democracy is the ability to 2146 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,360 have that interaction between public 2147 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,400 input and necessary decisions. I don't 2148 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,880 think there's ever going to be the 2149 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,480 correct decision. There's always going 2150 01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,480 to be the decision that you have to take 2151 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:45,920 given the parameters you have at that 2152 01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,520 moment in time. and we have to proceed. 2153 01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,080 But the delegations, the public input is 2154 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,199 is exactly what we need. Good. With 2155 01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,920 that, we are concluding pages 1 through 2156 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,800 28. I think there's another 30 pages to 2157 01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,480 go, but maybe we're going to take a 2158 01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:05,199 quick bio break and uh just five 2159 01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:06,320 minutes, please, and then we'll come 2160 01:28:06,320 --> 01:36:57,830 back. 2161 01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,760 and welcome back to the Township of 2162 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,920 Whitewater regions budget committee 2163 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:03,679 meeting and we are going to continue. 2164 01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:06,239 Now, if you're if you're watching and 2165 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,080 and looking for the regular council 2166 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,280 meeting that was supposed to start at 2167 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,960 1:00, 2168 01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,800 we are going to start the regular 2169 01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,119 council meeting as soon as we finish the 2170 01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:17,119 budget committee meeting. The two are 2171 01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:19,440 intertwined. We have a recommendation 2172 01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,040 that we will be making at the conclusion 2173 01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,960 of the budget committee for the council 2174 01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,840 meeting and it is the 2026 budget. 2175 01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,480 Therefore, important if not vital for us 2176 01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:31,119 to try to address today if uh if at all 2177 01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:32,800 possible. 2178 01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,800 So just be patient please and we'll 2179 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,159 continue our deliberations here at the 2180 01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:37,440 committee level and then we'll move into 2181 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:41,040 council. Excellent. And with that we are 2182 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,560 going to turn the floor back to the CEO 2183 01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,320 and the treasurer and continue on. I 2184 01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,920 think we're at slide number 29. 2185 01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,760 Thank you. We're actually going to the 2186 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:50,960 CIO's question. We're going to pop back 2187 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,400 to slide 26 just for one second. Um just 2188 01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,040 to illustrate the where the 1.6% comes 2189 01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,119 from uh with the total operating 2190 01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:02,159 expenses of $9.35 million. So that's the 2191 01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:04,400 total cost to operate the township uh 2192 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,040 which includes the uh the costs for the 2193 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,159 OP uh and and all other costs to to 2194 01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:13,199 operate uh as well as our uh our uh 2195 01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:17,119 other u internal costs of salaries uh 2196 01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:19,119 contracts and things like that. So the 2197 01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:20,960 amount the balance to fund the levy is 2198 01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,040 the $5.9 million. That's the operating 2199 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,040 levy. Uh as you can see the prior year 2200 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,560 was 200 or 5.77 million. So overall the 2201 01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,520 the levy is increasing by 2.5% uh less 2202 01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,639 the expected growth uh which has almost 2203 01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:35,920 been finalized. It's a little higher 2204 01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,000 than 0.9 but I for calculation purposes 2205 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,080 I left it that way. And then so it 2206 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,679 equals about a 1.6% overall increase. Um 2207 01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:45,440 I will note I think I mentioned this 2208 01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:46,639 before but I'll just put it out there 2209 01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:49,199 for the public again. By taking the 2210 01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:52,239 growth uh category out and showing it 2211 01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:54,480 this way, it makes the percentage that 2212 01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:56,719 we're dictating out to the public more 2213 01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:58,000 accurate as to what they will actually 2214 01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,239 see as an increase on their taxation. Uh 2215 01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:03,600 if I was to just say 2.5% and the 4.2, 2216 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,520 that's the levy, but it does it doesn't 2217 01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,920 tie directly into your what you actually 2218 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,800 see on your tax bill. By t removing the 2219 01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:11,920 growth portion from it and talking about 2220 01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,880 the 1.6 and the 4.2 specifically, that's 2221 01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,040 what the the your actual tax bill will 2222 01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:20,159 see. uh within plus or minus a half a 2223 01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:23,119 percent. So that that's the reason we we 2224 01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:25,040 use the capital or the expected growth 2225 01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:29,199 portion in there to to illustrate that. 2226 01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:30,719 So the next part we move into is the 2227 01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:32,560 capital and special projects portion of 2228 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,960 the budget. Uh I've left the slides in 2229 01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,960 here just to again illustrate our 2230 01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,960 funding sources for capital. So there's 2231 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,080 the OCIF which is uh for 2026 was 2232 01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,960 $817,64. 2233 01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,520 uh of that we split it due to the fact 2234 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,440 that there's water wastewater assets and 2235 01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:51,440 road assets which is classified as our 2236 01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:53,040 core infrastructure that's why we get 2237 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,440 the funding uh because it's a uh 2238 01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:57,360 calculation based funding. Uh so 2239 01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:58,960 $420,000 2240 01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:00,560 135 is being allocated to the general 2241 01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,679 capital budget and then 396,929 2242 01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:05,040 is allocated between water and 2243 01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:06,639 wastewater. 2244 01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:09,920 uh W water gets about 118,000 2245 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,840 uh if memory serves and then wise water 2246 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,119 gets about 240,000. 2247 01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:16,639 Uh the other side is the other funding 2248 01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:18,000 we receive is the Canada community 2249 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,960 building fund which is CCBF 2250 01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:22,800 others might remember it as the can the 2251 01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,360 gas tax funding uh the provincial or the 2252 01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,199 federal funding I should say. Uh so 2253 01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:28,960 236,620 2254 01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:32,480 again confirmed for 2026. Um that 2255 01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:36,719 eligible uh funding breaks beyond just 2256 01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:38,400 core infrastructure and allows for other 2257 01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,880 infrastructure to be uh addressed which 2258 01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,360 is normally why we uh tie it to 2259 01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:46,480 infrastructure such as uh recreation uh 2260 01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,920 fire systems uh and then uh roads and 2261 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,119 and waste water too as well. 2262 01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:55,360 So the last chunk of the funding sources 2263 01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,760 is the actual taxation. Um so with the 2264 01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,360 4.2 that has been occurring 2265 01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,360 year-over-year, uh right now that 2266 01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,080 balance uh once the 2026 budget is 2267 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:08,239 approved will be $1.212 million uh in 2268 01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:10,719 taxation towards capital. So we're 2269 01:41:10,719 --> 01:41:13,840 pulling 887,000 from the prior two years 2270 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:15,679 uh three years actually. And then 2271 01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:17,440 325,437 2272 01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:21,199 is what's coming for the 2026 budget. Uh 2273 01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:25,199 1.0 04 million or 004 million, sorry, is 2274 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:27,840 currently tied up in debenture costs uh 2275 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,320 out of our levy. And then we released a 2276 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,639 one debenture this year uh of 81,000. So 2277 01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:34,480 that part is being tied into the upper 2278 01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:37,440 budget, the 1.2 uh to tie to create more 2279 01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:40,400 capital fund working funds. 2280 01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,159 Uh so we've just add a little note here. 2281 01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:44,800 The the orange line is the constraint uh 2282 01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,679 for affordability, the 3.4%. 2283 01:41:47,679 --> 01:41:49,520 Uh this chart originally talked about 2284 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,080 how every year we put add 4.2% 2% to the 2285 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,639 levy and in order to try and achieve 2286 01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:57,280 that goal of the $9 million required as 2287 01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:58,880 stipulated in the asset management plan 2288 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,280 for the total uh current replacement 2289 01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,360 value of all of our assets. Uh you can 2290 01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,440 see by the time we reach that that line 2291 01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:09,040 we hit in 2028 and we cap out at about $ 2292 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:12,639 1.9 million $1.8.9 million. 2293 01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:14,960 Um so that's where that affordability 2294 01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,400 threshold comes in. 2295 01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,679 So the capital and special projects um 2296 01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:23,600 one piece we did I think it was 2297 01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,280 presentation three is where we talked 2298 01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,119 about whenever we started calculating 2299 01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:30,080 for how to create the uh capital plan 2300 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:31,600 for the going forward for the future for 2301 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,679 the 5 years was we had to have a place 2302 01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:35,520 to start with and that was more or less 2303 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,960 the pots of money that could be 2304 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,679 allocated to certain categories. Um so 2305 01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:41,600 based on the actual assets that we have 2306 01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,360 in the asset management plan as well as 2307 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,280 staff input uh it was determined that we 2308 01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,840 put it as 50% for the road network, 5% 2309 01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:53,040 for storm water, 10% for buildings, 10% 2310 01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:54,960 for machinery equipment, 20% for 2311 01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,440 vehicles, 5% for land improvements, 2312 01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:00,320 which brings us to a total of 100%. 2313 01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,440 Um so the first column you'll see uh 2314 01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:05,679 past those percentages that's the uh 2315 01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,880 total capital funds uh levy and grants. 2316 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,920 Um total capital funds includes the 2317 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,400 debentures. Um so if we were to take the 2318 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:15,840 total capital money that we spend every 2319 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:17,760 year which is the bottom number 2.85 2320 01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,639 million um and break it down into each 2321 01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:23,119 category. So there's 1.425 425 that's 2322 01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:26,880 spent on roads 142,000 for for storm 2323 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,159 water buildings 285 machine equipment 2324 01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:34,719 285 vehicles 570 land improvements 142 2325 01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,719 then we remove the portions that we've 2326 01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:39,040 already uh from prior years committed 2327 01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:41,280 that capital funding to through the 2328 01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,520 ventures so when I say debenture per 2329 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,960 category the 647,979 2330 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,560 that is uh principal and interest 2331 01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,040 payments that we making uh this year for 2332 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,600 the road network. Uh same thing for 2333 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,080 machinery equipment. So there's $110,000 2334 01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,679 out of the overall levy that's going to 2335 01:43:57,679 --> 01:44:00,000 pay deb or uh principal and interest 2336 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,560 payments. Uh 141 for vehicles and 2337 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,360 equipment. Uh there's a debenture slide 2338 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,840 I'll show uh later on that'll kind of 2339 01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,679 illustrate this more. So what the 2340 01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:14,400 leftover funding uh for 2026 is 777,136 2341 01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:20,400 for roads 142,511 for storm water 285,23 2342 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,560 for buildings machine equipment 1474,942 2343 01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:27,040 vehicles and equipment 428254 2344 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,320 and then land improvements 142511. Um so 2345 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,600 you'll see on each of the slides that 2346 01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,239 I've that I present uh again no change 2347 01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,159 from the prior but just as a as a 2348 01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:37,679 illustration to the public it talks 2349 01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:40,159 about a remaining and left in reserve. 2350 01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:43,600 So anytime we don't use up this funding 2351 01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,679 it would be left and be pushed into 2352 01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:47,600 reserve to be used in the the future 2353 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,400 years if we don't reach the the the 2354 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,080 total use of the funding uh in that 2355 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,560 category. Um and what will happen is 2356 01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,520 whenever we uh staff bring forward um a 2357 01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,520 reserve policy uh we'll actually be 2358 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:00,960 talking about these mounts and then 2359 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,960 adding that chunk in as to uh creating 2360 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,560 the reserves to to allocate these 2361 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,520 fundings appropriately. 2362 01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,600 So the first project list is the under 2363 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:12,000 the roads category. So Crawford Street 2364 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,080 is still on the list. Uh the total cost 2365 01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:15,520 of that project the road portion which 2366 01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:19,360 is the surface itself uh is 858,000 2367 01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,280 uh funded out of the levy would be 2368 01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:23,360 27,135 2369 01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,880 and the remainder would be a debenture 2370 01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:29,280 um the next one is Pine Road Park Road 2371 01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:33,119 culvert uh $40,000 fully funded Lacquay 2372 01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:35,920 road design 50,000 fully funded and then 2373 01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,520 government road which is forers falls to 2374 01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,400 Fletcher road um 2375 01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:43,119 as ashvalt $660,000 2376 01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:45,119 And per the prior discussion, there's 2377 01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:48,480 there was no noted changes there. Um, 2378 01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,400 mayor, do you want me to stop at the end 2379 01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:51,760 of each of these categories or would you 2380 01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,360 like me to run through all categories 2381 01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:59,990 and come back? 2382 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,400 » I'm good either way. Does council have a 2383 01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,719 preference? 2384 01:46:04,719 --> 01:46:06,550 >> Yes, council. 2385 01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:06,560 » Yes, council. 2386 01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,870 >> You left us with a task last time, Mr. 2387 01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:08,880 » You left us with a task last time, Mr. 2388 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,600 Mayor, with respect to the percentage. 2389 01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,360 Uh I don't know when you want to talk 2390 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,000 about that. I want to talk about it uh 2391 01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:19,520 for sure and so uh I'll leave it to your 2392 01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:20,719 discretion. 2393 01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:22,629 >> Okay. Just to recognize we're going to 2394 01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:22,639 » Okay. Just to recognize we're going to 2395 01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:24,239 bounce around. Let's get through all of 2396 01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:26,560 these tables and we have presented 2397 01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,320 you've presented these to us three times 2398 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:29,040 now. Yep. 2399 01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,390 >> So if you can go through and just 2400 01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:30,400 » So if you can go through and just 2401 01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,239 articulate changes that you've made 2402 01:46:32,239 --> 01:46:33,840 since the last presentation. 2403 01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:34,149 >> Okay. 2404 01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:34,159 » Okay. 2405 01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:36,550 >> That will probably allow us to go 2406 01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:36,560 » That will probably allow us to go 2407 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,000 through with questions at the end more 2408 01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:38,560 quickly. 2409 01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,590 >> Perfect. Um so the next slide is the 2410 01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:41,600 » Perfect. Um so the next slide is the 2411 01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,360 again Crawford Street being done. This 2412 01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,280 is the stormwater network. There is no 2413 01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,119 change here from the prior presentation. 2414 01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:50,320 The still funded amount is 142,511. 2415 01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:52,080 Uh so the remainder chunk goes to a 2416 01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,719 debenture of 317,000. 2417 01:46:54,719 --> 01:46:57,600 Um buildings again no changes here from 2418 01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,480 the prior uh presentations. Uh, so we're 2419 01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:02,800 funding the furnace HVAC, the Cobb Arena 2420 01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,400 compressor, the beam painting in the 2421 01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,480 Cobb Arena, structure repairs in the 2422 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:08,080 three arenas for the cement work, the 2423 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,159 Cobb arena HVAC, and then the museum 2424 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:13,360 snow roller shed. Um, so it leaves a 2425 01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,040 remainder in the in that reserve fund of 2426 01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,520 $523. 2427 01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,320 Um, machinery and equipment, no changes 2428 01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:24,000 again. Uh, $50,000 for RWIS CCTV, which 2429 01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,080 it goes to our road patrol system. 2430 01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:28,080 training equipment for the fire fire 2431 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:29,920 department uh for in-house CPR and first 2432 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,159 aid is $25,000. And then the breathing 2433 01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,400 air compressor, which we uh got a grant 2434 01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:37,119 for and purchased in 2025, uh was 2435 01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:38,639 unfunded. So this is just to fund that 2436 01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:41,280 last portion of 16,000. Um so it leaves 2437 01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:43,600 $83,000 in the reserve at the end of 2438 01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,840 2026. 2439 01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,960 Uh under vehicles, uh so we're looking 2440 01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:50,400 at a tandem plow truck and a fire 2441 01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,639 tanker. Uh so there was a change here, 2442 01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:54,880 just a a clerical note that I want I 2443 01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:56,880 made. Um, so the total cost of the truck 2444 01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:58,800 is $425,000. 2445 01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,480 We don't have the money in that fund 2446 01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:02,239 based on the current percentages to be 2447 01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,320 able to finance both it and the fire 2448 01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,320 tanker, which we need to finance as we 2449 01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,600 have received the fire tanker now. Um so 2450 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,480 in order to do that um we'd only be able 2451 01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:14,800 to fund 378,254 2452 01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,040 towards the the tandem plow truck and it 2453 01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,679 would leave 4 46,746 2454 01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:23,520 as unfunded into the 2027 2455 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,840 uh fiscal year which through the the 2456 01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,000 capital plan that we've presented so far 2457 01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,480 we can fund in 2027 uh due to the the 2458 01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:33,119 way the equipment goes. Um, and I've 2459 01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:35,920 noted on if you look at schedule D uh of 2460 01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:37,280 the actual capital projects, that's 2461 01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:38,480 where all these are listed and where 2462 01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:40,480 their their funding is, uh, allocated. 2463 01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:42,400 You'll notice that there's $46,000 2464 01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:43,760 that's left as unfunded. So, that'll 2465 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:45,119 automatically be picked up and added 2466 01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:48,400 into the 2027 budget. 2467 01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,239 Uh, land improvements. Uh, there's no 2468 01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:52,960 change here. Uh, based on the prior uh 2469 01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,119 prior presentation, leaves no money left 2470 01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:57,360 in reserves after the the play structure 2471 01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:00,719 at the Cobb and/forers Falls Park. 2472 01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:02,719 Uh and then this one again, no changes 2473 01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,480 because these have all been pre uh 2474 01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:06,560 presented in prior years. Uh this is 2475 01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,920 just bringing it back to council's uh um 2476 01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:11,440 awareness that the the projects are 2477 01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:12,960 going on and where they're coming from 2478 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:14,480 reserves. So one of the new only new 2479 01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:17,119 project here is the uh Ross uh landfill 2480 01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:18,960 monitoring well. That one's being fully 2481 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,760 funded from the waste reserve of 35,000. 2482 01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:25,360 Uh our website upgraded 17 furnace HAC 2483 01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,480 is 50. The fire tanker. So over the last 2484 01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:30,239 three years we put money into reserve 2485 01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,080 for the purchase of the fire tanker. So 2486 01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:33,679 this is the year whenever we get to 2487 01:49:33,679 --> 01:49:35,760 actually spend it and we already have uh 2488 01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:37,520 485,000 2489 01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,360 and then Westme boat launch rehab 2490 01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:41,119 100,000 and the Cobb Narina the 2491 01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:42,719 electrical the ice electrical plant ice 2492 01:49:42,719 --> 01:49:45,119 plant electrical panel at 45,000 which 2493 01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:47,840 was already a project a project in 2025 2494 01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,480 and is now uh just being shown here is 2495 01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,719 where it's coming from reserve and I 2496 01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:54,480 will note that you'll notice that the 2497 01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:55,840 last two projects actually came from our 2498 01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,880 CCBF reserve so in 2025 we allocated 2499 01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,040 money from CCBF towards these projects 2500 01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,800 them not being done. They're just being 2501 01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:03,920 pulled out of that reserve this year. 2502 01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:05,199 But that's just an illustration of where 2503 01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:08,639 that CCBF money gets gets used. 2504 01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:10,719 And any questions? 2505 01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:12,310 >> Excellent. Thank you, treasure. And with 2506 01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:12,320 » Excellent. Thank you, treasure. And with 2507 01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,000 that, I'm going to go we'll go back to 2508 01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,560 slide 34, which is what councelor Shim 2509 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:26,629 would like to ask a question on. 2510 01:50:26,639 --> 01:50:29,520 » Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. Um 2511 01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,119 at the end of our last budget 2512 01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:34,320 discussion, you asked all of us to come 2513 01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,639 back today with our thoughts on the 2514 01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:39,520 percentage allocation. And so I've been 2515 01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,320 thinking about it and um I would like to 2516 01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,159 propose that instead of a 50% 2517 01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:49,280 um allocation to the road network that 2518 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,360 it be 60%. 2519 01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:54,480 Now, when I say that, 2520 01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:58,080 what I'm implying is that the management 2521 01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:59,600 staff 2522 01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,080 will uh 2523 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,199 go back into the budget and find a a way 2524 01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:09,440 to reallocate that money. And uh that 2525 01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:12,639 might be a virtually impossible task 2526 01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:14,880 without coming back to get some 2527 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,840 decisions from us, some very difficult 2528 01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:20,000 decisions from us. 2529 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,560 um because there's only so much money 2530 01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,440 and in our last discussion about roads, 2531 01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:28,320 I don't know if it was obvious to 2532 01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:32,800 everybody, we we're not giving 2533 01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:37,360 uh our director Lane Claroo enough money 2534 01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:40,960 to work on the roads and the streets and 2535 01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,840 the sidewalks we have. If we don't give 2536 01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,840 him enough money, he just can't do the 2537 01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,320 job. That's all there is to it. there's 2538 01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:51,760 the and we can't get the money. Uh we 2539 01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,119 can't burden the taxpayers more. So 2540 01:51:55,119 --> 01:51:57,760 something has to give. Um I know 2541 01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,719 councelor Olstead alluded to this at our 2542 01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:03,679 last discussion. So I don't know if it's 2543 01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:06,239 a motion, Mr. Mayor, that is 2544 01:52:06,239 --> 01:52:10,560 appropriate, but I just uh want you to 2545 01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:13,840 have my answer to your your uh direction 2546 01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:17,920 last time. I propose 60% goes to roads. 2547 01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,560 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2548 01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:24,070 >> Perfect. Thank you, Councelor Trim. Um, 2549 01:52:24,070 --> 01:52:24,080 » Perfect. Thank you, Councelor Trim. Um, 2550 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,480 I'm just going to clarify because we are 2551 01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,400 trying to 2552 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:32,320 have the 2026 budget approved for this 2553 01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,719 for this year. You're talking about ch 2554 01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:36,639 making changes into the future, not for 2555 01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:38,400 2026 2556 01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,320 because it would necess necessitate 2557 01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:43,119 taking the whole budget back to staff to 2558 01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:45,360 rejig this and coming back to budget 2559 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:53,270 committee to talk about 2026. 2560 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,639 Well, just I I know this is another 2561 01:52:56,639 --> 01:53:01,360 example of us just putting the always 2562 01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:04,480 putting the the the the problem forward. 2563 01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:07,760 I didn't understand your request. 2564 01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:13,520 I should have, but I didn't. Uh I'm 2565 01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,360 I'm I don't want the budget amount to 2566 01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,599 raise. I just want the allocation to 2567 01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:20,960 change. Um 2568 01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,360 I I I don't know where where I am on 2569 01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,800 this now. Uh I don't want to impose a 2570 01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:30,639 whole bunch more work onto staff. That 2571 01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:33,840 wasn't the idea. Uh and I don't want to 2572 01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:35,360 prolong 2573 01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,840 our budget deliberations. 2574 01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,639 But something has to happen here. 2575 01:53:40,639 --> 01:53:44,159 um uh we're not providing the services 2576 01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:46,400 we're committed to because we're not 2577 01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,679 giving our staff the money to do it. So 2578 01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:52,000 I I don't know where what you I would 2579 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,800 suggest, Mr. Mayor. I'm I think I 2580 01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,159 misunderstood your direction. 2581 01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:00,229 >> No, and thank you for the point and it's 2582 01:54:00,229 --> 01:54:00,239 » No, and thank you for the point and it's 2583 01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:02,800 just a terms of trying to ma match what 2584 01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,520 we'd like to do with what we we have to 2585 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,360 do. 2026 has already started. We're 2586 01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,400 already starting to spend money in 2026. 2587 01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,639 We want to lean in and do the 2026 2588 01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:14,400 portion of the budget, but I think we 2589 01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:15,920 have to acknowledge that the 2590 01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,239 prioritization of our capital funds 2591 01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,400 isn't optimal. We have to figure out 2592 01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,480 that part part of it. Let's see if 2593 01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:23,520 there's other discussion and we'll come 2594 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,960 back to it. Yes, councelor White. 2595 01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:28,709 >> Not very good at math, so maybe Chris 2596 01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:28,719 » Not very good at math, so maybe Chris 2597 01:54:28,719 --> 01:54:30,800 can answer this. 2598 01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:34,790 >> What would be 10% if we went from 50 to 2599 01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:34,800 » What would be 10% if we went from 50 to 2600 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,320 60%? What would that amount? 2601 01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,070 >> An additional 285,000. 2602 01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:38,080 » An additional 285,000. 2603 01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,790 >> Pardon? an additional 28. See the bottom 2604 01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:40,800 » Pardon? an additional 28. See the bottom 2605 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,920 number, the total 200 2.85 million, 2606 01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:44,310 >> right? 2607 01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:44,320 » right? 2608 01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:47,109 >> Well, you'd be adding $285,000 more to 2609 01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:47,119 » Well, you'd be adding $285,000 more to 2610 01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:48,239 the road network then. 2611 01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:50,149 >> So, we would have to take out $285,000 2612 01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:50,159 » So, we would have to take out $285,000 2613 01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:51,440 from somewhere else in the budget. 2614 01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:51,990 >> That's right. 2615 01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:52,000 » That's right. 2616 01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:52,229 >> Okay. 2617 01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:52,239 » Okay. 2618 01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:53,990 >> You see the buildings and machinery that 2619 01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:54,000 » You see the buildings and machinery that 2620 01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,080 are at 10%. There there's your number 2621 01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,040 right there. 2622 01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:00,639 Council 2623 01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:02,320 Moore, 2624 01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:04,070 >> just wondering in what councelor Trim 2625 01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:04,080 » just wondering in what councelor Trim 2626 01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,800 just said if somewhere in there our 2627 01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,000 discussion last meeting was increasing 2628 01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,599 gravel road upgrades from 15 years to 10 2629 01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:16,719 years if that could be included in that 2630 01:55:16,719 --> 01:55:20,880 10% increase or is it already in this 2631 01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:22,880 budget? 2632 01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,070 >> No, it's in operating and we closed that 2633 01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:26,080 » No, it's in operating and we closed that 2634 01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:27,040 out already. 2635 01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,669 >> Okay. Now we can we can we'll put that 2636 01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:29,679 » Okay. Now we can we can we'll put that 2637 01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:31,119 on the back burner and we can come back 2638 01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:32,639 to it at the end. But now it's not in 2639 01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:34,080 capital. 2640 01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:35,430 >> Considering we were talking percentage 2641 01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:35,440 » Considering we were talking percentage 2642 01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:36,960 change, I just wondered what happened to 2643 01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,239 that discussion. Yeah. 2644 01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,629 >> Um improving our gravel roads. That's 2645 01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:40,639 » Um improving our gravel roads. That's 2646 01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:42,070 >> good. If treasure, if you can put a pin 2647 01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:42,080 » good. If treasure, if you can put a pin 2648 01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:43,040 in that, we'll come back to it when 2649 01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:44,480 we're done. The capital piece. 2650 01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:48,149 >> Good. Uh any other comments on the 2651 01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:48,159 » Good. Uh any other comments on the 2652 01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:50,480 division of capital funds? 2653 01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,629 >> Yeah, councelor Moore. 2654 01:55:52,629 --> 01:55:52,639 » Yeah, councelor Moore. 2655 01:55:52,639 --> 01:55:55,750 >> I had one on uh 2656 01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:55,760 » I had one on uh 2657 01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:59,040 I lost my place now. 2658 01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:03,280 Well, that helps. Um, slide 39, we're 2659 01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,760 talking about a tandem plow truck. Um, 2660 01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:08,480 just wondering then if um if there 2661 01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,679 wasn't enough money to perhaps purchase 2662 01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:12,960 this year, does it go on the next year 2663 01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,560 or are we still purchasing this year but 2664 01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:17,920 with less money and be more debt? 2665 01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,550 >> So, the the design is is that we have 2666 01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:20,560 » So, the the design is is that we have 2667 01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:24,080 $378,000 of the 425. So, it would be 2668 01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,760 purchased in this year. Uh, as long as 2669 01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:27,360 we take delivery in this year, that's 2670 01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,440 hard to say. Sometimes it we could take 2671 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:31,599 delivery technically in 2027 because of 2672 01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:33,679 the the length of actually build the 2673 01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:36,000 truck. Um, but should we take delivery 2674 01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,239 this year, there would be $46,000 that 2675 01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:40,239 we don't have the funding for that would 2676 01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:42,880 be then collected in 2027. It would 2677 01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:44,639 remain unfunded. Similar to how we did 2678 01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:47,599 the the breathing air compressor, we 2679 01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:49,840 unfunded $16,000. So, we didn't have 2680 01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,400 actually have that funds in 2025. And 2681 01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:54,800 now we're fill refilling that that void 2682 01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,159 or that unfunded portion in 2026. 2683 01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:00,709 >> Okay, understand. Thank you. 2684 01:57:00,709 --> 01:57:00,719 » Okay, understand. Thank you. 2685 01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:03,990 >> Good. Any other questions? 2686 01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:04,000 » Good. Any other questions? 2687 01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:05,350 >> Sorry, councelor White, you're looking 2688 01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:05,360 » Sorry, councelor White, you're looking 2689 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,360 at me. 2690 01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:08,950 >> I'm just wondering if it says unfunded, 2691 01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:08,960 » I'm just wondering if it says unfunded, 2692 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:10,320 so that means that we just didn't pay 2693 01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:11,520 the bill. 2694 01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:13,430 >> I'm not sure I understand that then. 2695 01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:13,440 » I'm not sure I understand that then. 2696 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:16,070 >> So, we pay the bill. So on a income 2697 01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:16,080 » So, we pay the bill. So on a income 2698 01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,400 statement side or the actual revenue 2699 01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:20,639 versus expenses side, we are incurring 2700 01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:22,239 the expense but we're not taking in the 2701 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:24,400 revenue to offset the budget for it for 2702 01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,480 the year. So when I say unfunded, it 2703 01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,360 technically becomes a uh an expense that 2704 01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,520 needs to be picked up in the next year. 2705 01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,599 We don't we need to make the revenue up 2706 01:57:33,599 --> 01:57:35,440 to cover that expense. It it's it's an 2707 01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,520 effect on our overall working capital. 2708 01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:39,920 Um, so what happens is in one year we 2709 01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:41,840 have this outstanding chunk that needs 2710 01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:43,679 to automatically be associated and 2711 01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:45,440 included into the next year's budget 2712 01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:46,560 2027. 2713 01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:47,830 >> We borrowed from ourselves. 2714 01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:47,840 » We borrowed from ourselves. 2715 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:48,790 >> Exactly. 2716 01:57:48,790 --> 01:57:48,800 » Exactly. 2717 01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:49,669 >> That's that's okay. 2718 01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:49,679 » That's that's okay. 2719 01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:50,870 >> Yeah. 2720 01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:50,880 » Yeah. 2721 01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:54,709 >> Good. Any other comments 2722 01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:54,719 » Good. Any other comments 2723 01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:57,510 >> on this part? So I'm just going to come 2724 01:57:57,510 --> 01:57:57,520 » on this part? So I'm just going to come 2725 01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,679 back to councelor Trim's points then on 2726 01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:01,520 the division of the capital funds and I 2727 01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:04,400 know um it it is a discussion that we 2728 01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:06,639 need to have 2729 01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:09,520 and uh I for one am in favor of 2730 01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:12,080 increasing the amount of roads. Roads is 2731 01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,400 our number one strategic priority. It's 2732 01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:16,480 it's a key function. It's not the only 2733 01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,280 one. It can't be the only thing we fund, 2734 01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:21,599 but just on our experience we've had 2735 01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:23,840 with the debate on Zion and and 2736 01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,520 Government Road, we know we don't set 2737 01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:27,920 enough money aside for this. Maybe we 2738 01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:29,679 need to change the scope, the width of 2739 01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:31,040 the roads, all these other kind of 2740 01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:35,199 factors. Um, but bottom line, there's 2741 01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:38,639 still not enough money to do the 130 km 2742 01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:42,080 of DST and 50 km of ashvalt that we have 2743 01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:46,800 in the township. Um however I am loathed 2744 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,920 to make these changes today on 2026 2745 01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,639 budget. That means that as an example 2746 01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:54,880 the point councelor Moore just said we'd 2747 01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:56,400 be taking money out of the vehicle 2748 01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:00,719 allocation either unfunding it or 2749 01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:02,239 reallocating it from somewhere else. 2750 01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:05,119 You're we'd be pushing it back to staff 2751 01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:08,159 to go back probably take at least a week 2752 01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:10,639 if not more. the CEO was like, but it 2753 01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:13,280 would take time for them to go back and 2754 01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:17,280 rejig it. Uh, that's my thought on it, 2755 01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:21,040 but this is a committee and so we need 2756 01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:23,119 to we need to come up with a consensus 2757 01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:24,960 on it. 2758 01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:26,560 Councelor Bell. 2759 01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,430 >> Yeah, just my understanding on it was 2760 01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:29,440 » Yeah, just my understanding on it was 2761 01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:30,960 these are the percentages that we have 2762 01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,599 laid out for this year, but going along 2763 01:59:33,599 --> 01:59:35,360 with the five-year projections, that's 2764 01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:36,880 how we can manipulate this moving 2765 01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,440 forward. So I think I was comfortable 2766 01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:40,960 with these percentages the way it was 2767 01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:43,599 laid out in the previous presentations. 2768 01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:46,719 Um knowing that these discussions are 2769 01:59:46,719 --> 01:59:49,599 moving forward as it pertains to that 2770 01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:52,320 5-year projection and how we make that 2771 01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:55,440 how we how we want to to make this look 2772 01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,760 moving forward. So, I'm comfortable with 2773 01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,800 the percentages as they're laid out and 2774 02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:04,400 uh how it's been presented to us before 2775 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,480 knowing that these are up for discussion 2776 02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:09,199 moving forward. 2777 02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:11,350 >> Other feedback. 2778 02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:11,360 » Other feedback. 2779 02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,280 I'll go to the treasurer. 2780 02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:14,550 >> Yeah, I'm just going to make one note 2781 02:00:14,550 --> 02:00:14,560 » Yeah, I'm just going to make one note 2782 02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,480 that the other side too is whenever we 2783 02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:18,719 present and bring forward the the 2026 2784 02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:20,800 asset management plan, it's going to 2785 02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:22,400 have a financing schedule in it for the 2786 02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:24,719 next 10 years. So like the the budget 2787 02:00:24,719 --> 02:00:26,639 committee is and is going to have a lot 2788 02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:29,119 of input into that. So that's where the 2789 02:00:29,119 --> 02:00:30,719 new amounts will be set out. It may not 2790 02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:32,719 be a straight 50%. It might look like 2791 02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:35,280 54% just based on the number of assets 2792 02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,199 and how the funding works in order to 2793 02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:39,679 maintain set level of service because 2794 02:00:39,679 --> 02:00:41,520 that's the goal of the asset management 2795 02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:44,400 plan is supposed to council dictates the 2796 02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:45,840 level of service that wants to be 2797 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,400 achieved and the assets that want to be 2798 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,320 uh included in that in that asset 2799 02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,239 management plan. level service up, level 2800 02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:54,880 service down. That was where that sits. 2801 02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:56,400 And then they take that and they come 2802 02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,080 back with the funding method of how to 2803 02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,080 fund it because we can't have unfunded 2804 02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:01,679 assets and still maintain level service 2805 02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:03,520 because you're not. So they have to come 2806 02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:05,040 back to that number. So then whenever 2807 02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,280 they come back, that's where this is our 2808 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:09,119 first attempt without the finalized 2809 02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:11,040 document of putting it. But whenever we 2810 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:14,239 come into 2026 and they present that 2811 02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:16,639 capital plan, it has to fund everything. 2812 02:01:16,639 --> 02:01:18,400 So it's going to show a breakdown and 2813 02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:20,960 here's the deficits in such categories 2814 02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:24,080 and the the downfalls of assets and then 2815 02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,000 things will tie from there as to the the 2816 02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,400 percentages. So this is our first 2817 02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:31,040 attempt at it from a staff level. The 2818 02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:33,199 consultants input will will make that 2819 02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:35,040 change number change again. Even if we 2820 02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:36,960 were to change it to 60% now, it could 2821 02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,599 technically change again to say 75%. 2822 02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:41,440 Just throwing it out there of a of a 2823 02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:43,599 number that they that the consultant 2824 02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:46,239 recommends in order to maintain whatever 2825 02:01:46,239 --> 02:02:02,629 asset is deemed as the most important. 2826 02:02:02,639 --> 02:02:04,560 Oh, 2827 02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,470 >> now it's turned green. Sorry, I went 2828 02:02:06,470 --> 02:02:06,480 » now it's turned green. Sorry, I went 2829 02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:08,800 from flashing red to green. I wrecked 2830 02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:12,390 clerk's microphone. 2831 02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:16,159 » Okay. Thank you, treasure. Um, 2832 02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:17,840 any other comments with respect to 2833 02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:20,800 councelor Trim's proposal? because I 2834 02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:23,440 will highlight one other thing 2835 02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:25,440 is that when you go into the other 2836 02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:28,639 tables that are listed in here, the land 2837 02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:31,360 improvements, the the vehicles, the 2838 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:35,040 equipment, the buildings, 2839 02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:36,800 if you were to lean forward, like if 2840 02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:38,560 you're of the opinion, oh, I think we 2841 02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:41,040 should go roads to 60% and cut these 2842 02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:42,560 other ones, but maybe we don't have time 2843 02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:44,800 to do that for 2026, 2844 02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:48,320 you could suggest that some of these uh 2845 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,000 projects 2846 02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:53,840 be not be not be done this year and just 2847 02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:55,599 keep that money in a reserve in that 2848 02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,520 category 2849 02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,080 pending a future decision. That that is 2850 02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:03,840 that is one way to look at it um to to 2851 02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:06,880 meet your intent without having to rejig 2852 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:09,280 everything. So you could put a pause on 2853 02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:11,040 something if that was something you 2854 02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:14,239 wanted to do. and and and again it may 2855 02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:15,760 not be a decision that we need to take 2856 02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,280 today 2857 02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:20,560 but we could come back to 2858 02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:23,199 good. So with that, councelor Trim, 2859 02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:25,679 what's your thought? Are you okay with 2860 02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:28,000 an approach of 2027 for reallocation of 2861 02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:28,800 the percentages? 2862 02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:33,350 >> Uh yes, that is a very good compromise. 2863 02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:33,360 » Uh yes, that is a very good compromise. 2864 02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:36,239 Uh you know, and I'm just thinking just 2865 02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:38,000 off the top of my head, playground 2866 02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,040 equipment that gets us very close to the 2867 02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:45,040 10%. It's good a good way to the pathway 2868 02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,840 to the 10%. Uh I I'm not saying it's not 2869 02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:49,440 important. All of this stuff is 2870 02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:52,719 important. The staff spent a lot of time 2871 02:03:52,719 --> 02:03:55,119 on on this and every single one is 2872 02:03:55,119 --> 02:03:58,719 important, but we got to get some kind 2873 02:03:58,719 --> 02:04:03,679 of priority going here and uh uh 2874 02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:07,840 and and we've got to get more money to 2875 02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:13,760 roads. Um because everybody needs roads 2876 02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,480 and I'm just wondering if I I don't know 2877 02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:18,239 the situation here in common that well 2878 02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:21,440 but school has playground equipment uh 2879 02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:25,119 maybe in in West Me the kids play in the 2880 02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:29,280 schoolyard uh on the equipment and so 2881 02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:31,760 for a different situation I understand 2882 02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:36,159 but uh we got to do something different 2883 02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:40,000 Lee and uh so That's a wonderful 2884 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:41,520 suggestion, Mr. Mayor. It seems like a 2885 02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:44,320 good compromise. Um, so thank you for 2886 02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:45,679 that. 2887 02:04:45,679 --> 02:04:47,109 >> Good. Is there any other feedback and 2888 02:04:47,109 --> 02:04:47,119 » Good. Is there any other feedback and 2889 02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:48,400 anyone else on any of these projects 2890 02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:50,239 listed? 2891 02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:52,149 >> So this the the recommendation I throw 2892 02:04:52,149 --> 02:04:52,159 » So this the the recommendation I throw 2893 02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:54,560 to staff on this is that as part of our 2894 02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:56,560 future budget committee meetings, we 2895 02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:58,719 will examine the reallocation even if it 2896 02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:01,679 is temporary to a future AM that could 2897 02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:03,199 come higher. I think it's worthwhile us 2898 02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:05,360 going through the exercise 2899 02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:09,040 and if staff if there are projects that 2900 02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:11,599 we they may be the that may that may 2901 02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:14,080 that may be impacted by a change in 2902 02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:16,400 percentage allocation maybe we can put 2903 02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:18,159 those up as potential discussion points 2904 02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:20,960 at a future budget committee meeting. 2905 02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,589 >> Is that fair CEO? Yeah, I think it's I 2906 02:05:23,589 --> 02:05:23,599 » Is that fair CEO? Yeah, I think it's I 2907 02:05:23,599 --> 02:05:26,159 think it's noted and I mean the the the 2908 02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:28,400 challenge we're having is that there's 2909 02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:31,199 the the capital investment that we're 2910 02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:32,639 making is not enough to support our 2911 02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:35,360 assets period. So at some point we have 2912 02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:37,119 to decide what is our priority what are 2913 02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:38,719 our priority areas and we need to move 2914 02:05:38,719 --> 02:05:40,400 forward with that. So the budget 2915 02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,000 committee could deliberate on that uh 2916 02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:44,000 moving forward and including the 2917 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,320 reallocation and uh maybe the rep 2918 02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:48,320 prioritization of projects for 2026. I 2919 02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,159 think the strategy is is makes sense 2920 02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:51,920 moving forward. Let's let's adopt and 2921 02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:53,920 then uh consider it in the next couple 2922 02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:56,080 months. Thanks. 2923 02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:58,149 >> It's good fair approach. This the the 2924 02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:58,159 » It's good fair approach. This the the 2925 02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:00,320 only other point I'll make um for those 2926 02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:01,520 people that might be watching is the 2927 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:04,719 Lacqua Bay road design and and please 2928 02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:06,800 manager Claroo if I've got this wrong, 2929 02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:09,199 but the reason we need to have that 2930 02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:10,880 significant investment in that road 2931 02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,119 design is because of the storm water 2932 02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:15,840 underneath it. 2933 02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:19,520 So it has storm water systems underneath 2934 02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:21,599 it and therefore it needs an engineering 2935 02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:23,920 component. Is that correct? Am I hitting 2936 02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:25,760 that on the 2937 02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:27,270 >> That's correct. Part of it. Um there 2938 02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:27,280 » That's correct. Part of it. Um there 2939 02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:30,239 also it is an urban section. Um so 2940 02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:31,920 there's 2941 02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:34,480 sidewalks and gutters and the whole how 2942 02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:37,119 it fits in designwise. Um it's not like 2943 02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:40,000 a a rural section that we can do in 2944 02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:41,119 house. 2945 02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:44,390 >> Yeah. Good. So again, just an important 2946 02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:44,400 » Yeah. Good. So again, just an important 2947 02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:45,920 some of the roads in our communities 2948 02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:48,800 have got these requirements that exceed 2949 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,800 the typical rural design requirements. 2950 02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:54,950 >> Good. Yeah. Councelor White, 2951 02:06:54,950 --> 02:06:54,960 » Good. Yeah. Councelor White, 2952 02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:56,790 >> Laqua Bay Road, isn't that the one that 2953 02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:56,800 » Laqua Bay Road, isn't that the one that 2954 02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:59,280 comes off of 2955 02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:01,750 >> Gord? 2956 02:07:01,750 --> 02:07:01,760 » Gord? 2957 02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:03,750 >> Yeah, but doesn't it? And it goes all 2958 02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:03,760 » Yeah, but doesn't it? And it goes all 2959 02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:04,639 the way down and 2960 02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:06,470 >> down to Greenway. 2961 02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:06,480 » down to Greenway. 2962 02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:07,830 >> Oh, is that Greenway there? 2963 02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:07,840 » Oh, is that Greenway there? 2964 02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:08,870 >> Goes down to Greenway. Yeah. 2965 02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:08,880 » Goes down to Greenway. Yeah. 2966 02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:09,750 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. 2967 02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:09,760 » Oh, yeah. Yeah. 2968 02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:10,629 >> Okay. 2969 02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:10,639 » Okay. 2970 02:07:10,639 --> 02:07:13,030 >> Pause. Now I think the the 50,000 is 2971 02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:13,040 » Pause. Now I think the the 50,000 is 2972 02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:15,760 specifically for the the urban component 2973 02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:18,159 which is within LAS. Is that correct? 2974 02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:19,599 Yeah. 2975 02:07:19,599 --> 02:07:21,270 >> Right. 2976 02:07:21,270 --> 02:07:21,280 » Right. 2977 02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:25,440 Good. All right. Well, keep moving then. 2978 02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:27,510 >> Capital projections and and again please 2979 02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:27,520 » Capital projections and and again please 2980 02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:29,199 treasur just highlight what you think 2981 02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:32,000 are the changes or issues that you need 2982 02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:32,880 to raise publicly. 2983 02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:35,270 >> We'll do uh so yeah capital projections. 2984 02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:35,280 » We'll do uh so yeah capital projections. 2985 02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:36,880 So the first one I roll into is 2986 02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:38,719 debentures and debt. We kind of did a 2987 02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:40,079 little bit of a reallocation here of the 2988 02:07:40,079 --> 02:07:42,480 the slides. Um the only reason we bring 2989 02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:43,920 this forward is because I always want to 2990 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,360 show what the debenture is and because 2991 02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:47,520 there is a debenture on the books that 2992 02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:48,719 will be added because we're doing 2993 02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:51,040 Crawford Street. I wanted to note this. 2994 02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:55,840 So uh currently the the million4,000 2995 02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:57,840 uh for our total payment for the 2996 02:07:57,840 --> 02:07:59,360 taxation is listed there and those are 2997 02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:00,800 the debentures that we currently have on 2998 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,079 the books. Uh you'll see that in 2026 is 2999 02:08:04,079 --> 02:08:06,320 the last year for two of them. So 3000 02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:09,599 there's uh $100,000 worth of technically 3001 02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:11,440 debenture payment room that will be re 3002 02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:13,920 recouped by the township um which will 3003 02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:16,320 roll into the new debenture uh for lack 3004 02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:18,880 of a better term in the 2027 for the uh 3005 02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:21,679 the debenture on Crawford Street. 3006 02:08:21,679 --> 02:08:23,280 Uh this is a slide to show our total 3007 02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:24,480 debentures and the only reason I show 3008 02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:26,320 this here because it shows water and 3009 02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:28,560 wastewater as well um is to the next 3010 02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,320 slide for estimated annual payment 3011 02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:34,079 limit. Um, so I did some quick math 3012 02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:36,960 based on what the project that we're 3013 02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:39,440 looking at for Crawford, 3014 02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:41,440 uh, at this point in time, uh, the 3015 02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:43,520 current rate if we did 20 years, which 3016 02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:45,040 is what the water wastewater study 3017 02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:46,880 originally planned as. So I'm using 3018 02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,040 those kind of same, uh, pieces. So 3019 02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:50,480 anybody looking between the documents 3020 02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:53,679 has a similar yearing. Uh, so right now 3021 02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:56,800 uh, amortization is 4.52%. 3022 02:08:56,800 --> 02:09:00,480 He's on the loan value. Uh so you can 3023 02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:03,679 see here it'd be one of the highest uh 3024 02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:06,480 loans shy of the Cobden Halealley water 3025 02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:08,320 treatment plant. However, the rates have 3026 02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:11,119 gone up and gone down a lot uh recently. 3027 02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:13,119 Um so by the time we actually close this 3028 02:09:13,119 --> 02:09:16,560 debenture, which would be early 2027, um 3029 02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:18,000 hard to predict what the rates will be 3030 02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:20,480 then, but likely not higher than than 3031 02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:22,880 what we're currently projecting. 3032 02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:26,000 Uh so the total annual payment including 3033 02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:28,239 the water and wastewater portion um 3034 02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:31,199 would be $145,182 3035 02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:34,400 uh because the do total debenture is uh 3036 02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:37,840 around $1.92 million 3037 02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:41,840 uh to to fund that project. Um so then 3038 02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:45,679 the uh total interest um over the term 3039 02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:47,199 of the loan because I always want to 3040 02:09:47,199 --> 02:09:48,639 stipulate this out there for the public 3041 02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:50,639 side. uh it looks at about a million 3042 02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:52,320 dollars of added interest over the 20 3043 02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:55,750 years. 3044 02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:57,440 So the next thing under the projection 3045 02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:00,719 side we flow into assumptions. Um so in 3046 02:10:00,719 --> 02:10:03,280 doing the assumptions uh then this is to 3047 02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,000 create the operating uh capital or 3048 02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:08,400 operating uh projection for 5 years as 3049 02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:11,280 well as tie into the capital side uh to 3050 02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:13,679 show that 3.4% and then uh where our 3051 02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:16,320 affordability factors come in. Uh so our 3052 02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:18,880 assumptions is 2% uh the increased 3053 02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:21,440 capital levy to continue at the 4.2% 3054 02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:23,520 until the affordability limit is reached 3055 02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:27,119 and then 1% thereafter to maintain fund 3056 02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:29,199 uh that was a stipulation uh from the 3057 02:10:29,199 --> 02:10:31,599 mayor's uh side after whenever we reach 3058 02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:36,159 that 3.4%. uh assessment growth of 1% uh 3059 02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:38,960 median income growth at 1% uh county 3060 02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:41,520 levy increase capped at around four or 3061 02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:44,159 projected at 4.5%. And then the 3062 02:10:44,159 --> 02:10:47,360 education levy which at 0% which is what 3063 02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:49,280 has been traditionally uh its rate 3064 02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:51,920 increase over the last five years. So uh 3065 02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:53,360 the likelihood of it actually changing 3066 02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:56,000 is uh unlikely at this point in time uh 3067 02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:59,679 just based on uh just history. So the 3068 02:10:59,679 --> 02:11:02,960 capital and operating 2027 to 2030 uh 3069 02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:04,800 shows operating revenue more or less 3070 02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:06,719 stays the same uh due to the fact that 3071 02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:08,239 things go up and things go down in 3072 02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:09,760 different categories but the net 3073 02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:12,800 difference is normally uh the same. Uh 3074 02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,119 operating expenses uh they are 3075 02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:18,000 increasing based on those assumptions. 3076 02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:21,119 So you see $9.4 million for 2027, 9.5 3077 02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:25,280 for 2028, 9.729 and then 9.8 for 2030. 3078 02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:27,199 Uh so then it creates the operating levy 3079 02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,199 required and the capital levy required. 3080 02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:31,280 So you'll see the total levy is the uh 3081 02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:34,400 second from the bottom uh row. So $ 8.7 3082 02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:37,440 million is what 2027 would be. 2028 3083 02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:40,239 would be 9.13143. 3084 02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:43,599 Uh 9.378 for 2029 and 2030 would be 3085 02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:48,719 9.618. Uh so we reached the 3.4% 4% um 3086 02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:52,079 affordability factor in 2028 and then 3087 02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:54,639 with that 1% and then the just general 3088 02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:57,840 CPI needed growth uh or increase 3089 02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:00,000 required for the operating uh brings us 3090 02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:04,159 to 3.44 for 29 and 3.48 for 2030. Um so 3091 02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:06,159 that's barebone increases but no 3092 02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:07,840 substantial increases where all we're 3093 02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:09,199 doing is maintaining levels of service 3094 02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:12,639 at that point in time. 3095 02:12:12,639 --> 02:12:14,639 So on those uh five-year budget 3096 02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:18,079 forecasts and awareness um I'll mention 3097 02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:19,760 to you to refer to the documents that 3098 02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:20,960 was provided to you. So there was an 3099 02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,199 operating document um as well as our 3100 02:12:23,199 --> 02:12:25,280 capital list uh the water and then the 3101 02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:27,599 wastewater uh and it all includes the 3102 02:12:27,599 --> 02:12:30,079 5-year budget forecast. It's this big 3103 02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:33,920 one that everybody has. Um so it goes 3104 02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,719 through again it's unfunded um because 3105 02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:39,520 due to the lack of overall funds and the 3106 02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:41,760 the allocation as uh councelor trim 3107 02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:44,880 noted uh which couldn't change that's 3108 02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:47,920 where that part um staff made a list of 3109 02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:49,520 projects but in order to actually fund 3110 02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:50,960 them the priorities need to be set by 3111 02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:53,760 council. Um so our overall constraints 3112 02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:55,760 uh limited re revenue generated by the 3113 02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:57,840 3.4 for ability thresh affordability 3114 02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,639 threshold uh overall incre increasing 3115 02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:02,719 replacement values of assets our core 3116 02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:04,239 infrastructure infrastructure and 3117 02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:06,800 supplemental stuff um that is required 3118 02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,639 to maintain but it's not the the actual 3119 02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:11,040 infrastructure uh deteriorating overall 3120 02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:13,679 asset conditions uh as the years pro 3121 02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:16,239 progress before things can be replaced 3122 02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:19,040 they deteriorate to such a point um that 3123 02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:20,719 they can't be renewed they have to be 3124 02:13:20,719 --> 02:13:22,159 replaced and that's one of the one of 3125 02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:24,800 the the issue the constraints 3126 02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:27,599 Um the manager mentioned it already 3127 02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:29,520 about Brumal line being one of those one 3128 02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,840 of such roads where it's the it 3129 02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:33,840 deteriorates too fast that it can't be 3130 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:36,239 renewed. It has to be fully replaced. Um 3131 02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:37,440 increasing levels of service 3132 02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:40,000 expectations. Um so that kind of ties 3133 02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:42,239 into the uh active transportation piece 3134 02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:44,239 where the wider road is one of the 3135 02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:46,560 expectations and then to to tie into 3136 02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:48,800 that and then the other piece is the 3137 02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:50,400 clear direction from the council 3138 02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:52,480 strategic direction uh to prioritize 3139 02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:54,320 infrastructure investment in core asset 3140 02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:56,800 renewal uh rather than all assets. Uh 3141 02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:58,639 understand current and future needs and 3142 02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:00,800 provide resolutions on key facilities. 3143 02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:02,960 Uh and we say facilities we don't just 3144 02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:05,199 mean arenas, there's fire halls, there's 3145 02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:06,880 public works, garages there. it's all 3146 02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:09,360 all facilities as a whole. Uh and then 3147 02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:11,280 understand resident expected levels of 3148 02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:14,639 service and their delivery. 3149 02:14:14,639 --> 02:14:16,400 Um I brought this slide back in again 3150 02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:18,960 just to show where we were talking about 3151 02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:21,920 that that invisible glass ceiling as you 3152 02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:24,719 might say of where 3.4% comes in and 3153 02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:26,639 where we kind of we start pushing past 3154 02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:30,400 that um with capital growth. So we cap 3155 02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:33,360 out around $1.8.9 8 1.9 million 3156 02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:35,199 um of overall taxation which can be 3157 02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:37,280 funded towards capital. So as soon as we 3158 02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:39,760 hit that that top end threshold, it 3159 02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:41,760 would then be allocated based on the 3160 02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:43,920 percentages and that would be the it for 3161 02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,000 the the future if we wanted to hold to 3162 02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,639 that 3.4. 3163 02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:51,520 Um so next steps um so it's continue the 3164 02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:53,440 development of the 10-year uh capital 3165 02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:55,520 plan based on the funding uh and the 3166 02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:57,520 2026 ashman asset management plan with 3167 02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:59,199 the budget committee. uh finalize the 3168 02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:00,639 asset management plan with the support 3169 02:15:00,639 --> 02:15:03,679 of Dylan consultant. Um examine policies 3170 02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:06,239 to um guide financial decisions and 3171 02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:08,480 infrastructure. So the ones that staff 3172 02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:10,320 have noted so far is amend the reserve 3173 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:12,000 policy, the tangible capital asset 3174 02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:13,280 policy and the surplus equipment 3175 02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:15,920 disposal policy and then adopt two new 3176 02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:17,599 policies. Uh these are just the main 3177 02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:19,199 ones noted is the venture policy and 3178 02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:21,920 investment policy. Um I can give a quick 3179 02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:24,000 thing. The reserve policy is looking to 3180 02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,960 create uh what we have currently have 3181 02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:28,320 one but it doesn't stipulate what 3182 02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:30,159 amounts should be in reserves. Uh so it 3183 02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:31,760 would be to create that that piece of 3184 02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:34,400 what the com the municipality and the is 3185 02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:36,000 comfortable in having in reserve to plan 3186 02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,320 for emergencies or plan for future uh 3187 02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:41,119 future projects. Tangible capital asset 3188 02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:42,880 is the length of time we actually hold 3189 02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:46,000 on to an asset before we uh end the its 3190 02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,239 service life its useful life and 3191 02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:50,000 amortize it down over the over the 3192 02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:51,679 period. And then the surplus equipment 3193 02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:53,920 disposal policy would be looking to uh 3194 02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:56,159 have something uh in that policy of what 3195 02:15:56,159 --> 02:15:58,000 happens more with more dictates what 3196 02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,599 happens with the revenue that's received 3197 02:15:59,599 --> 02:16:01,760 whenever we sell such assets uh where 3198 02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:04,400 it's dictated back. Uh the debenture 3199 02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:06,159 policy would be what can actually be 3200 02:16:06,159 --> 02:16:08,880 eligible for a debenture where right now 3201 02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:10,239 we have debentures for equipment, we 3202 02:16:10,239 --> 02:16:12,239 have debentures for a road of all sorts. 3203 02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:14,400 We have debentures for so it it would 3204 02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:16,320 stipulate what qualifies what value 3205 02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:18,560 qualifies and what asset actually 3206 02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:20,320 qualifies for a debenture and which ones 3207 02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:22,880 we have to council has to always fund 3208 02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:25,760 100% via taxation it it would make it 3209 02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:28,079 ineligible for a debenture and just due 3210 02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:30,480 to its life expectancy and that which 3211 02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:32,240 ties in again to the TCA policy the 3212 02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:34,000 tangible capital asset and the last one 3213 02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:36,319 is investment policy um and this was one 3214 02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:38,719 I' I've added to the list uh due to the 3215 02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:41,920 fact that in the years whenever we don't 3216 02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:45,120 use said money um for a certain capital 3217 02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:47,200 asset. Do we invest that money in a 3218 02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:50,080 certain way and make money on our money? 3219 02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:53,359 That's the the goal of of uh this policy 3220 02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:55,599 is to try and maximize the taxpayers's 3221 02:16:55,599 --> 02:16:58,080 dollar. Um, right now we're not in a 3222 02:16:58,080 --> 02:16:59,760 situation where we can do in this, but 3223 02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:01,920 it'd be good to have it ahead of time to 3224 02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:03,439 kind of dictate if we start to build 3225 02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:06,399 reserve funds and balances into the 3226 02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:08,080 future, but they're not needed for say 5 3227 02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:09,840 years that we start looking at an 3228 02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:12,479 investment portion of that in order to 3229 02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:16,559 use it. Um, same thing with uh and what 3230 02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:19,760 as an eligible investment. 3231 02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:22,719 Any questions? 3232 02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:24,469 >> Thank you, treasurer. Is there any 3233 02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:24,479 » Thank you, treasurer. Is there any 3234 02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:27,040 questions or comments from council on 3235 02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:29,920 this section? Yeah, councelor White. 3236 02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:32,469 >> Just out of curiosity. Um I know you 3237 02:17:32,469 --> 02:17:32,479 » Just out of curiosity. Um I know you 3238 02:17:32,479 --> 02:17:34,080 have an investment policy, but can we 3239 02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:35,760 invest our taxpayers money if but what 3240 02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,760 if we lose it all? 3241 02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:39,910 >> So there's a mandated uh what we're 3242 02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:39,920 » So there's a mandated uh what we're 3243 02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:41,280 allowed to actually invest in. So 3244 02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,599 there's a qualified list and we're not 3245 02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:45,359 we can't it's but you can't invest in 3246 02:17:45,359 --> 02:17:48,160 the stock market. It's it's all secured. 3247 02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:50,399 It's just the term of said secure said 3248 02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:53,519 security as in um whether we go a 3249 02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:56,399 certain level and whether then if cash 3250 02:17:56,399 --> 02:17:58,160 flows were fall below a certain level do 3251 02:17:58,160 --> 02:17:59,840 we borrow in between that point in time 3252 02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:01,840 like the it's the the what stipulates 3253 02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:04,319 that of how long do we have to have a 3254 02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:06,080 projection for for cash flows at x 3255 02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:08,800 dollars and how much can we put forward 3256 02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:10,399 and like what's our level of risk more 3257 02:18:10,399 --> 02:18:12,240 or less is what it stipulates. 3258 02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:13,270 >> Thank you. 3259 02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:13,280 » Thank you. 3260 02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:14,629 >> Right. So, if we've got a million 3261 02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:14,639 » Right. So, if we've got a million 3262 02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:18,080 dollars in our working capital and we it 3263 02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:21,359 sits there earning on a checking 3264 02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:24,399 account, we could be using it to make 3265 02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:27,679 more money for future purposes. That's 3266 02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:29,280 But there's a bunch of guidelines that 3267 02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:31,840 have to be established for that. Yeah. 3268 02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:33,439 Look at Council Homestead. His eyes just 3269 02:18:33,439 --> 02:18:35,920 got really big. 3270 02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:37,030 >> Okay. 3271 02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:37,040 » Okay. 3272 02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:40,309 >> 4.2% on cash. 3273 02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:40,319 » 4.2% on cash. 3274 02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:41,669 >> Yeah. 3275 02:18:41,669 --> 02:18:41,679 » Yeah. 3276 02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:43,519 And but the problem is is that we're not 3277 02:18:43,519 --> 02:18:45,040 in a position now. We're still trying to 3278 02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:48,800 figure out how to fund a road. Uh 3279 02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,240 once we get once we get out of the 3280 02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:52,479 woods, we can start to to really make 3281 02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:54,960 really some sound decisions financially. 3282 02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:56,319 Is there any other comments on this 3283 02:18:56,319 --> 02:18:58,160 section? Councelor Mstead. Yeah, just 3284 02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:01,200 back I know it's it's semantics, but 3285 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:04,960 just on um slide 47, 3286 02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:06,639 I I know you went through that pretty 3287 02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:09,599 quickly and I I I saw a lot of uh a lot 3288 02:19:09,599 --> 02:19:11,599 of confusing looks on it. Just a couple 3289 02:19:11,599 --> 02:19:15,679 of uh changes to the titles if you would 3290 02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:17,359 and I think it just going forward to 3291 02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:20,000 clear up some um understanding of the 3292 02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:21,040 slide. 3293 02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:22,790 >> Um so just down at the bottom there are 3294 02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:22,800 » Um so just down at the bottom there are 3295 02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:25,840 debt charges. Do you mind calling that 3296 02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,240 current debt charges or current Yeah. 3297 02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:29,030 >> current debt? 3298 02:19:29,030 --> 02:19:29,040 » current debt? 3299 02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:29,349 >> Yep. 3300 02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:29,359 » Yep. 3301 02:19:29,359 --> 02:19:32,150 >> And then on estimated ARIRL, 3302 02:19:32,150 --> 02:19:32,160 » And then on estimated ARIRL, 3303 02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:35,200 uh can we can we term that um estimated 3304 02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:36,800 ARIRL remaining? 3305 02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:37,190 >> Yep. 3306 02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:37,200 » Yep. 3307 02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:39,589 >> So just so council understands that the 3308 02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:39,599 » So just so council understands that the 3309 02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:42,080 debt charges so that 1.5 million is what 3310 02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:45,200 our current uh payments are including 3311 02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:47,840 principal and interest. And so it means 3312 02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:51,439 that we have $1.69 69 million remaining 3313 02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:54,240 that we could in in payments that we 3314 02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:58,319 could take on. So, uh, and if I don't 3315 02:19:58,319 --> 02:19:59,760 know, yeah, I don't want to add an extra 3316 02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:01,520 column, but it basically we're paying 3317 02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:06,560 about 12.5% of our, uh, of the 25%. So, 3318 02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:09,040 we're paying about half the the limit 3319 02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:10,640 that we're allowed right now. So, it 3320 02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:11,920 means we have a lot of room. Not that 3321 02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:13,439 you want to go out on a spending spree, 3322 02:20:13,439 --> 02:20:16,080 but we're in good shape on this this 3323 02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:18,160 particular slide. But I think I just did 3324 02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:20,880 a clarify um if we just change those 3325 02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:23,359 descriptions a little bit at the bottom. 3326 02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:23,910 >> Noted. 3327 02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:23,920 » Noted. 3328 02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:25,590 >> There's a lot of numbers on that page so 3329 02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:25,600 » There's a lot of numbers on that page so 3330 02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:29,280 it kind of gets gets lost. 3331 02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:31,030 >> Noted. Um the other thing I will note 3332 02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:31,040 » Noted. Um the other thing I will note 3333 02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,439 too is that they this is based on the 3334 02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:36,080 ministries's um 3335 02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:37,760 request and that's why like you'll see 3336 02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:41,040 total revenue SLC 1099. That's the 3337 02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:42,560 actual code that comes off their page 3338 02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:43,600 and that's where I pulled this 3339 02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:46,319 originally from. Um, we've received this 3340 02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:49,439 through the FIR every year. 25% is where 3341 02:20:49,439 --> 02:20:51,600 they set it as of the net revenues less 3342 02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:54,160 all their grants. A lot of local 3343 02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:56,080 municipalities who are bringing in their 3344 02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:59,280 debt policies also put in a new limit, 3345 02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:02,560 not the 25%. I've seen 15%, I've seen 3346 02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:05,439 20% uh kind of goes between the two 3347 02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:07,280 because the idea is that you leave that 3348 02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:10,880 either 5% or that last 10% for emergency 3349 02:21:10,880 --> 02:21:13,840 purposes. So, it's not on just a general 3350 02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:15,840 project that you're doing, say an arena, 3351 02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:18,000 that you're able to borrow that that the 3352 02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,240 money and have that repayment limit that 3353 02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:22,560 you top out your debenture limit. Uh, 3354 02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:23,840 like similar municipal, some other 3355 02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:25,359 municipalities can go to the point where 3356 02:21:25,359 --> 02:21:27,200 they've maxed out their debenture limit, 3357 02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:30,000 then get an emergency project that they 3358 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:32,479 have no way to fund. You have to get 3359 02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:34,080 special permission from the ministry in 3360 02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,479 order to go over this limit and it it 3361 02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:38,160 puts a lot of constraints on it and then 3362 02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,080 it also affects the overall financial 3363 02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:41,520 stability of the municipality. So that's 3364 02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:42,880 why a lot of municipalities put in their 3365 02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:46,800 own limit a lower to leave a a limit 3366 02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:49,920 opening. Um and the other piece I didn't 3367 02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:52,880 speak about and I should have is this is 3368 02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:55,280 the annual overpayment limit. So it's 3369 02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,280 the payment on the loan. It's not the 3370 02:21:57,280 --> 02:22:00,080 total amount we can borrow. So whenever 3371 02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:02,720 it says 1.69 69 million if we were to 3372 02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:06,240 say 20 years uh of a debenture 3373 02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:07,760 going to do some rough math here in my 3374 02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:10,720 head about say 4 and a.5% I think that 3375 02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:14,399 worked out to be 3376 02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:17,040 10 or 15 or $18 million I think but 3377 02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:18,800 don't quote me but that's like we could 3378 02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:20,640 borrow at set amount of dollars that's 3379 02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:21,920 the total amount that we have to pay 3380 02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:24,880 every year is the the 1.69 69 million. 3381 02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:27,200 So that's our payment every year. Um 3382 02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:28,720 like all of the ventures we have right 3383 02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:30,960 now, actually I'll go back up one. Right 3384 02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:33,439 now we have $13 million on the books and 3385 02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:37,359 we pay 1.5 towards that. 3386 02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:40,960 So that $13 million equates to our ARIRL 3387 02:22:40,960 --> 02:22:44,800 of having a 1.5 million. Um but there's 3388 02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:46,080 a lot of different rates in there. So if 3389 02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:47,520 we were to do that again, more or less 3390 02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:49,280 it's double again. And so yeah, it'd be 3391 02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:51,920 about $15 million potentially that we 3392 02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,000 could borrow and then it would top out 3393 02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:57,760 our limit at the at the 25% category. So 3394 02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:00,000 that's our room at this point in time. 3395 02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:02,160 Um the only thing I stipulate is I'm 3396 02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:03,600 using that number, but some of these 3397 02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:05,359 deventures are 10-year deventures. So 3398 02:23:05,359 --> 02:23:07,439 the the repayment amount is higher. Some 3399 02:23:07,439 --> 02:23:10,160 of them are are 30-year deventures. So 3400 02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:12,560 like a lot of factors come into it and I 3401 02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:13,760 can bring that back to council whenever 3402 02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:16,560 I do the venture policy of saying what 3403 02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:18,000 that limit equals and what how much 3404 02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:20,240 money we could borrow uh just as an 3405 02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:22,240 information for council but uh in a 3406 02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:24,640 future date 3407 02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:27,750 >> government like like banks seem like 3408 02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:27,760 » government like like banks seem like 3409 02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:30,399 they want you in debt 3410 02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:32,560 and in fact part of that's true because 3411 02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:35,760 when we apply for grants it's important 3412 02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:39,200 that uh you show that you more or less 3413 02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:41,280 need the grant. So, if you don't have 3414 02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:43,600 any like if you don't have the $ 1.5 3415 02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:45,280 million in debt charges, you're probably 3416 02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:47,840 not going to acquire some grants, right? 3417 02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:49,040 Because they're saying you can pay for 3418 02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:51,600 it yourself. So, 3419 02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:52,950 >> it's a game. 3420 02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:52,960 » it's a game. 3421 02:23:52,960 --> 02:23:56,389 >> Yep. Exactly. 3422 02:23:56,389 --> 02:23:56,399 » Yep. Exactly. 3423 02:23:56,399 --> 02:23:59,670 >> Good. Um any other questions on this 3424 02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:59,680 » Good. Um any other questions on this 3425 02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:02,160 one? Yeah, Councelor Trim. 3426 02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:07,110 >> Yes. Just quickly on um page 25, I guess 3427 02:24:07,110 --> 02:24:07,120 » Yes. Just quickly on um page 25, I guess 3428 02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:11,920 slide 50, the last um the last bullet at 3429 02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:15,200 the bottom, clear direction 3430 02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:19,520 um from council to staff. And I think uh 3431 02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:21,600 that that's a reminder for me from now 3432 02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:26,800 on because uh we gave direction um at 3433 02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:29,280 two staff and I guess it was clear about 3434 02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:33,040 active transportation and I don't know 3435 02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:35,520 what I was thinking. We can't afford 3436 02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:38,479 active transportation. So, uh, we've got 3437 02:24:38,479 --> 02:24:42,960 to be careful about what we ask council, 3438 02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:45,920 uh, a ask staff to do. 3439 02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:51,510 >> I've got to be very, very careful. So, 3440 02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:53,120 » just to be clear, because I heard some 3441 02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:54,479 murmurings. I think that was the 3442 02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:56,160 previous term that gave the direction of 3443 02:24:56,160 --> 02:24:57,760 the act of transportation. Councelor 3444 02:24:57,760 --> 02:25:00,399 Tabard, you're off. Councilor Trim, 3445 02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:02,399 you're off. Councelor Bell, you weren't 3446 02:25:02,399 --> 02:25:04,960 here for it. Uh, but it is. You make the 3447 02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:08,080 point. It's valid. We have to put a lens 3448 02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:09,760 of affordability 3449 02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:12,880 on each decision that we take. There is 3450 02:25:12,880 --> 02:25:14,479 no easy decision where somebody else 3451 02:25:14,479 --> 02:25:17,520 just going to pay for it in the future. 3452 02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:20,479 Good. Councelor Trim. Sorry. Yes. I know 3453 02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:23,200 it was I wasn't here, but I was being 3454 02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:28,080 kind because I probably have made those 3455 02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:31,200 decisions in the past. So, 3456 02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:34,230 >> good. Any other comments? Okay. I just 3457 02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:34,240 » good. Any other comments? Okay. I just 3458 02:25:34,240 --> 02:25:35,840 have a couple on this one and I 3459 02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:37,680 apologize but just to set the framework 3460 02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:39,840 going forward slide 49 when we talk 3461 02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,640 about capital and operating uh and this 3462 02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:45,920 is really the the operating portion 3463 02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:47,680 this is a this is a wonderful slide it 3464 02:25:47,680 --> 02:25:49,520 looks the numbers all match up and 3465 02:25:49,520 --> 02:25:52,479 balance beautifully but we are 3466 02:25:52,479 --> 02:25:54,800 constraining the operating for the next 3467 02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:57,120 5 years we have squeezed the operating 3468 02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:59,359 to basically 3469 02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:01,680 fall behind a little bit every year yes 3470 02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:04,319 it's CPI indexed Yes, there's a little 3471 02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:07,760 1% growth, but we're we're talking about 3472 02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:09,120 someone comes to us and says, "Hey, can 3473 02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:11,680 we pick up can we do a large item pickup 3474 02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:13,920 for there's no money like there's no 3475 02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:16,960 room and we've done that on purpose and 3476 02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:19,120 put all of them all of the taxes that we 3477 02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:22,950 raise are going into capital. 3478 02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:25,040 So, we may we may get through the 3479 02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:27,680 capital portion of the discussion for 3480 02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:30,319 the five-year plan, but at at the end of 3481 02:26:30,319 --> 02:26:32,720 that, we we we have a responsibility to 3482 02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:34,319 go back and say, is this really 3483 02:26:34,319 --> 02:26:36,960 realistic for for operating or are there 3484 02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:38,240 other things we need to consider for 3485 02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:40,399 operating? So, staff have put the work 3486 02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:43,760 into this, but the implications are 3487 02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:47,840 we've really squeezed the operating. 3488 02:26:47,840 --> 02:26:50,960 Fair. Yeah. Councelor Trim. 3489 02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:52,870 >> Yes. And that translates into 3490 02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:52,880 » Yes. And that translates into 3491 02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:57,280 maintenance. And um I I I don't want to 3492 02:26:57,280 --> 02:27:00,399 exaggerate here, but we seem to have a 3493 02:27:00,399 --> 02:27:03,600 default way of making decisions. 3494 02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:06,560 We squeeze operating so that we're not 3495 02:27:06,560 --> 02:27:09,200 doing maintenance and then an asset 3496 02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:12,720 fails and then our decision is made. We 3497 02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:15,520 can't replace the asset so it's failed. 3498 02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:18,399 So it's gone and uh then nobody can be 3499 02:27:18,399 --> 02:27:22,319 mad at us. I think the better strategy 3500 02:27:22,319 --> 02:27:26,399 strategy would be to get rid of the 3501 02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:29,600 asset and stop paying maintenance and 3502 02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:32,399 then we uh we have more money for 3503 02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:33,280 capital. 3504 02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:37,270 >> Yeah. Or operating in some cases. 3505 02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:37,280 » Yeah. Or operating in some cases. 3506 02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:39,670 >> Good. Okay. I just framed that and I 3507 02:27:39,670 --> 02:27:39,680 » Good. Okay. I just framed that and I 3508 02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:42,000 know CEO was like, "Oh, good. He's 3509 02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:44,479 realizing this." Okay. Good. Uh the 3510 02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:45,840 other comment I'll make is just on the 3511 02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:47,520 5-year forecast. So this beautiful 3512 02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:49,760 document that the uh treasurer put a lot 3513 02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:52,560 of effort into is a very valuable one um 3514 02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:54,319 to take a look at but there is good news 3515 02:27:54,319 --> 02:27:56,160 in it 3516 02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:58,319 I think and treasurer please correct me 3517 02:27:58,319 --> 02:28:00,880 the last page the one that talks about 3518 02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:05,750 water and wastewater it does balance 3519 02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:07,920 it does because the uh actual amounts 3520 02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:10,160 that go forward all the projects that 3521 02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:11,200 have been listed in there based on the 3522 02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:13,920 water wastewater study again that's the 3523 02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:15,760 what we're going to be going for for the 3524 02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:17,680 asset management plan for all other 3525 02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:20,160 assets. They had to create a fin a 3526 02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:22,560 financing plan that makes it finance our 3527 02:28:22,560 --> 02:28:24,160 assets. And that's what Watson has done 3528 02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:25,840 in that part. I've done a few little 3529 02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:28,000 tweaks to it, but otherwise that's why 3530 02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:30,160 it it balances out because they that's 3531 02:28:30,160 --> 02:28:32,479 why water will see 5% increase for the 3532 02:28:32,479 --> 02:28:34,640 next 10 years. That's why wastewater 3533 02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:36,720 will see an increase of 3% for the next 3534 02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:39,920 two then down sorry yep 3% then down to 3535 02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:42,240 two sorry 4% then down to 3% then down 3536 02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:44,720 to 2%. and they staggered that in as to 3537 02:28:44,720 --> 02:28:46,560 the projects because we listed the main 3538 02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:48,800 projects that need to be done, inflated 3539 02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:51,200 them up, then put them into the year 3540 02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:52,800 that they need to be paid for and that's 3541 02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:56,080 how that that document came to exist. 3542 02:28:56,080 --> 02:28:58,319 So, good news, we do have the work done 3543 02:28:58,319 --> 02:29:01,120 on water and wastewater. And we know 3544 02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:03,280 that that's been, 3545 02:29:03,280 --> 02:29:05,280 you know, a result of the circumstances 3546 02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:06,560 that we're working through with 3547 02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:08,880 wastewater right now. But we do have it 3548 02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:10,800 done. We know we can do it. We've done 3549 02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:12,720 it for two very complicated asset 3550 02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:15,359 classes. We just have the remainder now 3551 02:29:15,359 --> 02:29:18,479 to do. Um and and that's what I think 3552 02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:20,000 our budget committee is going to really 3553 02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:23,760 bite off in the coming months. 3554 02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:25,590 >> Good. If there's no other comments then 3555 02:29:25,590 --> 02:29:25,600 » Good. If there's no other comments then 3556 02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:28,080 we will go we'll keep going on. If you 3557 02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:30,080 can do a quick summary of the slides as 3558 02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:31,120 you go through please. 3559 02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:34,150 >> We'll do. Uh so this slide has not 3560 02:29:34,150 --> 02:29:34,160 » We'll do. Uh so this slide has not 3561 02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:35,520 changed from prior because there is no 3562 02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:36,880 change in the actual overall rate still 3563 02:29:36,880 --> 02:29:40,319 at the 5.8. Um, so an estimated effect 3564 02:29:40,319 --> 02:29:42,399 on taxes. 3565 02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:44,960 Uh, so for $100,000 assessment, you'd be 3566 02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:47,760 looking at an increase of $44.71. 3567 02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:50,240 Uh, median singingle family detached 3568 02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:52,560 179. I realized I should have updated 3569 02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:56,479 this slide to the 182. My mistake. Um, 3570 02:29:56,479 --> 02:29:58,240 to to match what the affordability side 3571 02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:02,160 said, but so it's increase of $804. 3572 02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:03,920 Uh, and then we'll flow into water and 3573 02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:04,399 waste water. 3574 02:30:04,399 --> 02:30:05,830 >> Oh, sorry. Just pause there for a 3575 02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:05,840 » Oh, sorry. Just pause there for a 3576 02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:08,640 second. And sorry, and I'm doomsday 3577 02:30:08,640 --> 02:30:11,840 today, so I'm not feeling 3578 02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:17,680 glass half full. Uh that 14 $173 that 3579 02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:19,600 we're talking about lower tier taxation 3580 02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:23,680 on our $170,000 house, 3581 02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:26,800 that only represents 47% of the property 3582 02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:30,160 tax we collect from that house 3583 02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:31,600 because that's only the lower tier 3584 02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:33,760 portion. So we're asking the owner of 3585 02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:36,080 that $170,000 home. Okay? So, please 3586 02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:37,760 correct the numbers, but make the point, 3587 02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:38,160 please. 3588 02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:39,830 >> Sorry. Yeah. Uh, not 47. It would be the 3589 02:30:39,830 --> 02:30:39,840 » Sorry. Yeah. Uh, not 47. It would be the 3590 02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:41,840 47 plus the nine because policing is 3591 02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:43,200 included in this. 3592 02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:44,230 >> Yeah. Sorry. 3593 02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:44,240 » Yeah. Sorry. 3594 02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:45,110 >> 56%. 3595 02:30:45,110 --> 02:30:45,120 » 56%. 3596 02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:48,150 >> You got it. 56%. 3597 02:30:48,150 --> 02:30:48,160 » You got it. 56%. 3598 02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:50,080 But you can see the the affordability 3599 02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:54,560 piece that 17 $179,000 home is going to 3600 02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:56,960 be paying 3601 02:30:56,960 --> 02:30:59,120 essentially double that. $3,000 plus 3602 02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:02,399 water plus waste water plus 3603 02:31:02,399 --> 02:31:05,920 uh waste pickup plus recycling if they 3604 02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:09,670 got a small business there. 3605 02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:11,200 Good. 3606 02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:14,319 Keep going please. Thank you. 3607 02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:15,840 Um so I'm going to water race 3608 02:31:15,840 --> 02:31:18,000 wastewater. Do we want when did you want 3609 02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:20,960 to bring back the uh councelor Mo's 3610 02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:22,800 comment about gravel? Did you want to 3611 02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:24,399 still do it within this portion or do 3612 02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:25,359 you want me to wait till the end? 3613 02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:27,110 >> Let's get this PowerPoint done please. 3614 02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:27,120 » Let's get this PowerPoint done please. 3615 02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:30,399 We'll do uh so water wastewater uh so 3616 02:31:30,399 --> 02:31:32,880 here's the pieces with the water so 3617 02:31:32,880 --> 02:31:35,600 water is 5% uh wastewater increase is 3618 02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:38,479 4%. And this is actually the slide I was 3619 02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:41,359 trying to come from memory. Um so for 3620 02:31:41,359 --> 02:31:43,040 the rates so we did our new water 3621 02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:45,520 wastewater study in 2026 3622 02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:48,800 uh or 2025 sorry and it presented from 3623 02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:51,439 2026 onward. Uh so we're matching the wa 3624 02:31:51,439 --> 02:31:54,399 the race rate studies for both uh 4% for 3625 02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:56,240 water for waste water and then 5% for 3626 02:31:56,240 --> 02:31:59,200 water and you'll see projected out for 3627 02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:02,640 the next 10 years from 2027 to 2034 it's 3628 02:32:02,640 --> 02:32:05,600 5% annually for water. uh and then we 3629 02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:07,439 would recommend the exact same thing. 3630 02:32:07,439 --> 02:32:11,680 And then for uh wastewater it's 4% uh I 3631 02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:13,920 believe that goes to 2027 then it turns 3632 02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:18,560 to 3% from 28 29 and then 2030 to 2034 3633 02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:21,359 is 2%. uh and we would aim to match that 3634 02:32:21,359 --> 02:32:23,600 that same amount uh going forward uh 3635 02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:26,080 because the the um assets are funded and 3636 02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:29,439 financed uh as long as capital projects 3637 02:32:29,439 --> 02:32:30,960 and things like that hold within the 3638 02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:32,640 inflated values that have been that have 3639 02:32:32,640 --> 02:32:34,800 been set out. 3640 02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:36,880 Um this is just a quick slide to show 3641 02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:38,160 what debentures are currently on the 3642 02:32:38,160 --> 02:32:41,600 books. So in water and wastewater uh our 3643 02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:45,439 2026 total payment is $525,000. So, of 3644 02:32:45,439 --> 02:32:47,600 the money that we collect from from the 3645 02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:50,080 residents for all these systems, we pay 3646 02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:53,840 $525,000 of that back to, in this 3647 02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:55,120 instance, the province for the 3648 02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:57,439 debentures that we've taken out. Um, 3649 02:32:57,439 --> 02:32:59,520 because the total ending balance is a 3650 02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:02,399 little over $7 million. 3651 02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:05,120 Uh so the water rates for 2026 3652 02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:09,840 uh effective January 1 would be 1,268.96 3653 02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:12,720 uh total increase of $6043. 3654 02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:15,359 Uh billing change of $107 and a monthly 3655 02:33:15,359 --> 02:33:18,560 change of 504. Uh then small commercial, 3656 02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:20,640 medium commercial, all have seen the 3657 02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:23,680 same uh 5% increase. The newest category 3658 02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:25,840 in here which was uh proposed by the 3659 02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:28,319 Watson study uh for the 2026 year is the 3660 02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:31,200 high commercial tier 2 um which would 3661 02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:34,640 account for uh $12,68957 3662 02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:37,439 annually. 3663 02:33:37,439 --> 02:33:38,640 Uh these are the projects that are 3664 02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:41,120 projected for 2026. Uh there's no 3665 02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:43,680 changes here from the original uh 3666 02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:46,080 presentation. Uh the debenture would go 3667 02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:50,319 to uh the Crawford Street. Um annual 3668 02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:54,319 payment around uh $56,000 3669 02:33:54,319 --> 02:33:57,359 um on the water side. Uh water meters 3670 02:33:57,359 --> 02:33:59,040 would be installed uh fully funded 3671 02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:01,920 through OSF uh based on last year's uh 3672 02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:04,560 2025's uh contribution from OSF as well 3673 02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:07,040 as the this current year. Uh beachwork 3674 02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:08,640 water main fully funded from our reser 3675 02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:10,560 from our reserves. 3676 02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:12,080 Uh and then the cob water treatment 3677 02:34:12,080 --> 02:34:14,880 plant would receive uh uh one one thing 3678 02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:16,880 of $20,000. And then the the leak 3679 02:34:16,880 --> 02:34:19,040 detector and uh frequency locator under 3680 02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:22,080 the lines would be 12,515,000. 3681 02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:25,280 Uh those are all user fee financed. Uh 3682 02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:27,760 wastewater uh they would see the 4% 3683 02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:31,680 increase. Uh so it goes from 195878 3684 02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:34,560 to 23713. So it's a total increase for 3685 02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:37,280 the annually of $78.35. 3686 02:34:37,280 --> 02:34:39,520 Billing is 1306. When I say billing, 3687 02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:41,200 that's every two months. Uh and then 3688 02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:43,680 monthly change is $653. 3689 02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:46,640 And again, tier 2 was the recommendation 3690 02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:49,120 uh from Watson's uh through the the 3691 02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:54,150 consultant the rate study is 20,37131 3692 02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:57,120 uh for the annual cost. Uh there's only 3693 02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:58,560 one project that's looked at for the 3694 02:34:58,560 --> 02:34:59,760 wastewater treatment plant at this point 3695 02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:02,399 in time. It's the centerfuge pump. Um a 3696 02:35:02,399 --> 02:35:05,359 replacement cost of 58,500 and it's 3697 02:35:05,359 --> 02:35:08,479 financed through user fees for the year. 3698 02:35:08,479 --> 02:35:11,520 So here's the combined cost. Uh so this 3699 02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:14,880 is resident Cobden uh specific. Um 3700 02:35:14,880 --> 02:35:17,920 residential would be $3,369. 3701 02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,960 So a total increase of $13878 or billing 3702 02:35:20,960 --> 02:35:23,439 increase of 2313. And then high 3703 02:35:23,439 --> 02:35:25,920 commercial uh would be a total cost of 3704 02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:28,960 tier two of would be a cost of $33,60.88 3705 02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:30,560 88 3706 02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:33,920 or annual or a billing ch increase of 3707 02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:38,070 4,45418. 3708 02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:40,240 So this is a slide that the mayor was 3709 02:35:40,240 --> 02:35:42,960 kind of not noting to before. Um so this 3710 02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:46,240 one is based off $182,000 assessment. Um 3711 02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:48,640 so you'll see the first column is 3712 02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:51,840 municipal and tax uh includes municipal, 3713 02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:55,439 county, and tax portions. So it's 22 uh 3714 02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:57,120 262188. 3715 02:35:57,120 --> 02:36:01,200 It's for 2026. uh increase of 13440 over 3716 02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:02,800 2025 3717 02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:04,640 uh monthly change of 1120 and this is 3718 02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:06,560 where the 3.23 is where we're currently 3719 02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:08,399 sitting. I will note this does not 3720 02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:10,000 include the garbage charge. This is 3721 02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:12,240 taxation based taxation water and 3722 02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:14,800 wastewater uh is only the things noted 3723 02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:16,880 here. Um so then the municipal county 3724 02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:18,880 taxation and water. So our Beachburg and 3725 02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:20,800 Haley's properties would look at a bill 3726 02:36:20,800 --> 02:36:22,319 total for the year if their assessment 3727 02:36:22,319 --> 02:36:26,160 is 182,000 of $3,890.84 84 cents 3728 02:36:26,160 --> 02:36:28,800 increase of 1948 83. Uh so they're 3729 02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:31,680 sitting about a 5% affordability factor. 3730 02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:33,920 And then the last one would be our 3731 02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:37,120 Cobden residents again $182,000 property 3732 02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:40,319 be looking about 5,92797. 3733 02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:44,000 So it's a total increase of $273.18. 3734 02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:45,600 Uh and then the affordability sitting at 3735 02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:48,240 7.52. And then my next slide is 3736 02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:52,160 questions. So before that, 3737 02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:54,230 >> good questions on water wastewater from 3738 02:36:54,230 --> 02:36:54,240 » good questions on water wastewater from 3739 02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:57,590 council. 3740 02:36:57,600 --> 02:36:58,800 » Yes, deputy mayor. 3741 02:36:58,800 --> 02:37:04,469 >> Thank you. Um the high commercial tier 2 3742 02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:04,479 » Thank you. Um the high commercial tier 2 3743 02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:10,800 uh sorry 161. What um you go from 3,900 3744 02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:14,720 to 20,000. What is that? I I'm confused. 3745 02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:16,720 So the tier everybody used to be under 3746 02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:18,319 high commercial which was two times the 3747 02:37:18,319 --> 02:37:21,120 residential rate. Um through the Watson 3748 02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:22,640 study there was certain businesses that 3749 02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:24,800 were noted that use substantially more 3750 02:37:24,800 --> 02:37:27,439 water than just two times what a uh a 3751 02:37:27,439 --> 02:37:30,399 regular residential unit uses. Um so 3752 02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:33,040 this new rate was proposed uh to be 3753 02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:34,720 implemented into this budget and would 3754 02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:36,720 be passed through this council and the 3755 02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:38,640 the council uh when it actually comes to 3756 02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:40,560 council with through the user fee bylaw 3757 02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:43,760 to be 10 times the rate. So whenever I 3758 02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:46,160 say 2025 uh that's why both amounts are 3759 02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:48,240 the same. So if you're on slide 63 for 3760 02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:49,840 example 3761 02:37:49,840 --> 02:37:53,840 um both in 2025 I have both the 3762 02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:55,359 commercials tier 1 and tier 2 is the 3763 02:37:55,359 --> 02:37:58,399 same amount the 633580 3764 02:37:58,399 --> 02:38:02,160 um 2026 rate sees the tier one just get 3765 02:38:02,160 --> 02:38:05,040 its standard uh increase of about 4 and 3766 02:38:05,040 --> 02:38:08,240 a half%. The tier 2 actually implements 3767 02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:11,200 the 10 times rate b of the 10 times the 3768 02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:12,479 residential rate. So you'll notice the 3769 02:38:12,479 --> 02:38:15,280 residential rate for the year is 336. So 3770 02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:18,240 10 times that is the 33,6088. 3771 02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:22,000 Um so it affects uh stipulated through 3772 02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:25,280 the um whenever the the 3773 02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:28,640 report was um approved 3774 02:38:28,640 --> 02:38:31,840 um the areas are arenas. So part of it 3775 02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:34,000 affects the the municipality itself. our 3776 02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:36,399 two arenas fall into this category as 3777 02:38:36,399 --> 02:38:39,359 well as uh two business categories at 3778 02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:41,200 this point in time are are tied into 3779 02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:44,319 this this amount. Um one here in Cobden 3780 02:38:44,319 --> 02:38:46,000 and then one in Beachburg at this point 3781 02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:47,520 in time and that those are the 3782 02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:49,359 categories that fall in. Uh other major 3783 02:38:49,359 --> 02:38:51,040 businesses are on meters and then that's 3784 02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:53,439 where the commercial meters are put in. 3785 02:38:53,439 --> 02:38:55,040 um so that whenever we install those 3786 02:38:55,040 --> 02:38:58,640 meters come 2027 hopefully uh once we 3787 02:38:58,640 --> 02:39:00,800 have the data re received we can start 3788 02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:02,560 implementing based on the actual usage 3789 02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:04,800 they have rather than uh estimates based 3790 02:39:04,800 --> 02:39:07,680 on uh the consultants uh work. So this 3791 02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:09,120 is kind of the stepping stone to that 3792 02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:10,720 next step of implementing those those 3793 02:39:10,720 --> 02:39:12,319 meters uh because there's certain 3794 02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:14,399 businesses that use that substantial 3795 02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:17,600 amount of water. 3796 02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:20,230 >> Thank you. 3797 02:39:20,230 --> 02:39:20,240 » Thank you. 3798 02:39:20,240 --> 02:39:22,469 >> Any other questions on water wastewater? 3799 02:39:22,469 --> 02:39:22,479 » Any other questions on water wastewater? 3800 02:39:22,479 --> 02:39:25,120 Yeah, councelor Moore, 3801 02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:27,429 >> just in keeping with that same chart on 3802 02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:27,439 » just in keeping with that same chart on 3803 02:39:27,439 --> 02:39:31,359 63, the one that's there. Um, 3804 02:39:31,359 --> 02:39:33,680 on this list, what will be me metered 3805 02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:35,359 this year? Will it be small commercial, 3806 02:39:35,359 --> 02:39:37,359 medium commercial, high? 3807 02:39:37,359 --> 02:39:39,190 >> What about the multi-residential? Will 3808 02:39:39,190 --> 02:39:39,200 » What about the multi-residential? Will 3809 02:39:39,200 --> 02:39:40,640 it be going metered? 3810 02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:42,150 >> No. So, at this point in time, the 3811 02:39:42,150 --> 02:39:42,160 » No. So, at this point in time, the 3812 02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:42,710 >> just commercial. 3813 02:39:42,710 --> 02:39:42,720 » just commercial. 3814 02:39:42,720 --> 02:39:44,469 >> Just commercial. Yep. 3815 02:39:44,469 --> 02:39:44,479 » Just commercial. Yep. 3816 02:39:44,479 --> 02:39:47,670 >> Thank you. 3817 02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:47,680 » Thank you. 3818 02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:51,670 >> Good. Any other questions? 3819 02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:53,680 Good. The only point I'll make is that 3820 02:39:53,680 --> 02:39:55,920 uh 3821 02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:57,600 when you take a look at that wonderful 3822 02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:01,280 chart that talks about uh 5% 3823 02:40:01,280 --> 02:40:04,080 if you're on water and 7.52% 3824 02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:07,200 affordability for those that are on Oh 3825 02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:09,200 yeah, thank you. on uh water and 3826 02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:12,160 wastewater. Uh we're continuing to work 3827 02:40:12,160 --> 02:40:15,359 both of these cases through advocacy. We 3828 02:40:15,359 --> 02:40:18,880 have another uh delegation with Ministry 3829 02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:21,439 of of Infrastructure. I think this will 3830 02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:24,080 be my seventh on the topic of water and 3831 02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:26,960 wastewater. Uh they're continuing to 3832 02:40:26,960 --> 02:40:28,880 receive our delegation. So that is a 3833 02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:32,000 positive note. Um we're working with FCM 3834 02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:36,000 and AMO L so that we're not just putting 3835 02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:37,920 these figures out and saying, "Oh gosh, 3836 02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:39,680 just live with it." We are doing 3837 02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:42,160 everything within our power to pull 3838 02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:44,160 whatever lever is out there to try to 3839 02:40:44,160 --> 02:40:47,120 provide some relief. Uh and as soon as 3840 02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:48,479 we know more information, we'll be able 3841 02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:50,319 to share it. 3842 02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:52,160 Good. 3843 02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:54,720 Okay. Uh 3844 02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:56,080 at that point, let's go back to 3845 02:40:56,080 --> 02:40:58,960 councelor Moore's uh question. Let's 3846 02:40:58,960 --> 02:41:01,920 talk about gravel for a moment. And uh I 3847 02:41:01,920 --> 02:41:04,640 I think what we had in a previous 3848 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:06,800 committee meeting was a was a point that 3849 02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:10,640 was included in a cart alakart option to 3850 02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:12,880 increase the number of kilometers that 3851 02:41:12,880 --> 02:41:16,000 we redo of gravel roads each year. Right 3852 02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:20,160 now the program is 10. um could we go 3853 02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:22,399 higher than 10 kilometers in a year? 3854 02:41:22,399 --> 02:41:24,240 What would that cost? So, treasurer, can 3855 02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:25,600 I hand the floor over to you and just 3856 02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:26,080 take that? 3857 02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:28,790 >> Sure. Sure. Um so, the original alocart 3858 02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:28,800 » Sure. Sure. Um so, the original alocart 3859 02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:31,840 piece um noted it was $60,000 in order 3860 02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:33,600 to bring it from the current cycle time 3861 02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:36,000 of 15 years down to back to the 10-year 3862 02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:39,760 period. Uh $60,000 equals a.77% 3863 02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:42,800 increase to our overall budget. Um so, 3864 02:41:42,800 --> 02:41:44,880 in order to implement that, so the 5.8% 3865 02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:48,479 8% would effectively become 6.57 should 3866 02:41:48,479 --> 02:41:51,439 that be uh implemented as one lump sum 3867 02:41:51,439 --> 02:41:53,840 into the year uh or some other variation 3868 02:41:53,840 --> 02:41:56,080 of that. Um that's that would be the way 3869 02:41:56,080 --> 02:41:57,760 to bring the program back to the the 3870 02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:00,399 10-year recirculation back to uh for 3871 02:42:00,399 --> 02:42:07,830 graph roads. 3872 02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:10,560 » I'm in full agreement with that. Um, the 3873 02:42:10,560 --> 02:42:12,080 last couple of, as I said previously, 3874 02:42:12,080 --> 02:42:13,520 the last couple of rainstorms we've had, 3875 02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:14,800 like we're getting a lot of complaints 3876 02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:16,479 because the soup's the roads turning 3877 02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:18,479 into soup and we can't do anything with 3878 02:42:18,479 --> 02:42:21,200 it as long as it stays soup. So, if we 3879 02:42:21,200 --> 02:42:25,439 could initiate this program today to 3880 02:42:25,439 --> 02:42:27,040 start doing more roads with fresh 3881 02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:29,439 gravel, uh, we should alleviate some of 3882 02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:32,160 that soupness and unable to even grade 3883 02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:36,399 at that point. So, if if what councelor 3884 02:42:36,399 --> 02:42:38,479 Trim stated before about increasing our 3885 02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:40,720 our money for our roads that this would 3886 02:42:40,720 --> 02:42:45,750 be a good place to start. 3887 02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:49,359 Any other comments from anyone else. 3888 02:42:49,359 --> 02:42:52,160 So, I'm not in disagreement with uh with 3889 02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:55,120 what you're saying, councelor Moore. I I 3890 02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:58,399 hesitate to increase taxation to achieve 3891 02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:02,000 it. treasurer, CEO, could you offer 3892 02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:05,359 other ways that funding could be found 3893 02:43:05,359 --> 02:43:07,120 or what considerations council could 3894 02:43:07,120 --> 02:43:10,560 have if we wanted to rep prioritize 3895 02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:14,630 funds into gravel? 3896 02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:16,160 And from a council perspective, if 3897 02:43:16,160 --> 02:43:19,120 you're thinking of a a a lower priority 3898 02:43:19,120 --> 02:43:21,359 item that we've already discussed, you 3899 02:43:21,359 --> 02:43:23,600 could bring it forward as well. Yeah, I 3900 02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:26,640 I'm I'm just like I'm trying to process 3901 02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:28,720 whether or not we increase the levy for 3902 02:43:28,720 --> 02:43:30,960 the purposes of gravel roads when we 3903 02:43:30,960 --> 02:43:32,640 know very well we you know there's not 3904 02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:35,439 only gravel roads, there's DST roads and 3905 02:43:35,439 --> 02:43:37,359 there's ashalt roads and this whole 3906 02:43:37,359 --> 02:43:42,080 complexity. Um would it benefit 3907 02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:44,640 uh the replacement of assets if we 3908 02:43:44,640 --> 02:43:47,279 increase to the 7% specifically for 3909 02:43:47,279 --> 02:43:50,240 capital or or gravel roads? I mean 3910 02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:52,160 certainly we we'd get ahead but I don't 3911 02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:54,479 think we're that much further ahead. So 3912 02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:57,439 um aside from just that note like I mean 3913 02:43:57,439 --> 02:43:59,359 out of like can we rep prioritize 3914 02:43:59,359 --> 02:44:02,160 operating expenses at this stage? I mean 3915 02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:04,000 we'd have to do some more investigation 3916 02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:07,359 but I I would the answer is really no. I 3917 02:44:07,359 --> 02:44:09,600 was just messaging our our manager just 3918 02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:10,880 because we're talking water meters. 3919 02:44:10,880 --> 02:44:12,640 We're talking Beachburg water main. We 3920 02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:14,319 have a water project underway in 3921 02:44:14,319 --> 02:44:16,080 Beachburg. We have Crawford. We have 3922 02:44:16,080 --> 02:44:18,080 gravel road program. We have government 3923 02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:21,279 road like that alone for the department 3924 02:44:21,279 --> 02:44:23,680 is is a lot of work. I mean that's a lot 3925 02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:29,840 of work. Um and the success I mean the 3926 02:44:29,840 --> 02:44:32,319 the human resources applied to that. I'm 3927 02:44:32,319 --> 02:44:34,479 not sure like I am confident that we'll 3928 02:44:34,479 --> 02:44:36,000 probably achieve it but it's going to be 3929 02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:37,920 a lot of work. It's going to be a lot of 3930 02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:40,640 time a lot of commitment. So I mean if 3931 02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:42,319 we keep doing more work how do we apply 3932 02:44:42,319 --> 02:44:43,840 the human resources and needed to 3933 02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:46,640 support that work? So, I I'm just I I'm 3934 02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:48,399 having a hard time just processing and 3935 02:44:48,399 --> 02:44:49,439 figuring out what would be the best 3936 02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:52,640 approach, but um 3937 02:44:52,640 --> 02:44:54,560 yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'd pass it 3938 02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:56,240 over to my treasurer or manager or any 3939 02:44:56,240 --> 02:44:57,760 other managers to provide additional 3940 02:44:57,760 --> 02:45:01,830 input by all means. 3941 02:45:01,840 --> 02:45:04,399 » Yeah, I would just echo the the CEO's 3942 02:45:04,399 --> 02:45:07,279 point of it'd be hard to integrate it 3943 02:45:07,279 --> 02:45:09,040 into the current budget to not have an 3944 02:45:09,040 --> 02:45:12,479 increase like associated to it. Um, one 3945 02:45:12,479 --> 02:45:14,399 of the only things that uh we had kind 3946 02:45:14,399 --> 02:45:16,640 of looked at uh from a management 3947 02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:19,439 standpoint is um potentially like 3948 02:45:19,439 --> 02:45:21,520 phasing it in over years instead of 3949 02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:23,760 going right from like adding the full 3950 02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:26,319 $60,000 in one year to going say $20,000 3951 02:45:26,319 --> 02:45:28,399 per year or something like that of 3952 02:45:28,399 --> 02:45:30,000 instead of seeing as big of an increase 3953 02:45:30,000 --> 02:45:32,479 to the overall budget. Um it still would 3954 02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:34,479 be a very hard amount to integrate into 3955 02:45:34,479 --> 02:45:37,040 the budget because we have the operating 3956 02:45:37,040 --> 02:45:39,840 budget to the most point I would say is 3957 02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:42,479 bare bones. um meets the level of 3958 02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:44,160 service. You start trying to pull out of 3959 02:45:44,160 --> 02:45:46,560 some other area to fund this one to a 3960 02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:48,000 higher level, you're going to see a 3961 02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:50,399 decreased level of service that council 3962 02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:52,479 would have to approve in some other 3963 02:45:52,479 --> 02:45:55,040 category. Whether it be within the road 3964 02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:56,880 budget that something else gets adjusted 3965 02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:59,279 to adjust more to cap to the the gravel 3966 02:45:59,279 --> 02:46:00,800 roads program or whether it's another 3967 02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:03,200 budget line item. Um right now we're 3968 02:46:03,200 --> 02:46:07,120 able to meet meet the uh the current 3969 02:46:07,120 --> 02:46:09,520 levels of service. any changes to to 3970 02:46:09,520 --> 02:46:11,439 decrease those areas to fund this would 3971 02:46:11,439 --> 02:46:12,720 see a decrease in those levels of 3972 02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:14,560 service in order to more or less 3973 02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:15,760 increase this level of service 3974 02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:17,840 currently. 3975 02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:21,429 >> If I could through you the mayor is uh 3976 02:46:21,429 --> 02:46:21,439 » If I could through you the mayor is uh 3977 02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:24,800 not to postpone the discussion of 3978 02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:27,279 increasing tax. I think we're at I mean 3979 02:46:27,279 --> 02:46:28,720 from my perspective we're at a point 3980 02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:30,960 where I think the budget as presented 3981 02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:34,399 today at the 5.8% is is generally 3982 02:46:34,399 --> 02:46:38,399 palpitable by council. Uh perhaps the we 3983 02:46:38,399 --> 02:46:41,760 we just leave it with staff to analyze 3984 02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:43,920 the what's the $30,000 is what you 3985 02:46:43,920 --> 02:46:46,560 mentioned $20,000 3986 02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:49,200 um as part of our deliberations 3987 02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:50,960 with the budget committee with the 3988 02:46:50,960 --> 02:46:53,920 projections other priorities and and all 3989 02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:56,319 of these other things. Um and if there's 3990 02:46:56,319 --> 02:47:01,040 a decision to um increase to that 3991 02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:03,120 $20,000 we could do so as part of our 3992 02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:06,399 tax rate implementation. uh not the best 3993 02:47:06,399 --> 02:47:08,960 approach but it is a mechanism by which 3994 02:47:08,960 --> 02:47:11,200 we could we could look at that and then 3995 02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:13,120 also maybe we look at perhaps it's rep 3996 02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:15,359 prioritizing other other projects I'm 3997 02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:18,080 not sure but just so we could keep the 3998 02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:19,920 progress of the budget discussion moving 3999 02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:21,760 forward but if that's acceptable to 4000 02:47:21,760 --> 02:47:23,840 yourself mayor and through the mover 4001 02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:25,840 that'd be great 4002 02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:28,469 >> council more and just a comment on that 4003 02:47:28,469 --> 02:47:28,479 » council more and just a comment on that 4004 02:47:28,479 --> 02:47:30,640 and and and I understand what you're 4005 02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:35,359 saying um but with the current rate of 4006 02:47:35,359 --> 02:47:38,399 graveling roads every 15 years. What 4007 02:47:38,399 --> 02:47:40,000 happens to inflation and how much gravel 4008 02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:42,160 are we losing because we haven't 4009 02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:44,640 increased the rate of pay per se into 4010 02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:47,279 that GL account and we're going 4011 02:47:47,279 --> 02:47:49,279 backwards not forwards. So in keeping 4012 02:47:49,279 --> 02:47:51,040 with what councelor Trim suggested that 4013 02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:53,760 we add more money to the roads budget um 4014 02:47:53,760 --> 02:47:56,080 I think this should take part of that 4015 02:47:56,080 --> 02:47:58,399 conversation when it comes up at next 4016 02:47:58,399 --> 02:48:00,240 budget. 4017 02:48:00,240 --> 02:48:02,720 Okay. Thank you. 4018 02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:04,640 So I'll just add to that before we throw 4019 02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:06,399 it back to staff or any other member of 4020 02:48:06,399 --> 02:48:09,040 council is the I think the approach is 4021 02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:11,600 that gravel we have to recognize gravel 4022 02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:13,920 as a unique item although it's 4023 02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:17,520 classified as an operating expense. I 4024 02:48:17,520 --> 02:48:19,680 think from a from a council directive 4025 02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:21,439 from a level of service perspective we 4026 02:48:21,439 --> 02:48:23,520 need to consider it a capital asset. I 4027 02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:24,880 know that's going to mess with the 4028 02:48:24,880 --> 02:48:27,279 treasurer's charts. you. I'm sure you'll 4029 02:48:27,279 --> 02:48:29,040 figure out a way to, but I think we put 4030 02:48:29,040 --> 02:48:31,040 it on the agenda for the budget 4031 02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:32,319 committee to consider as part of the 4032 02:48:32,319 --> 02:48:36,399 five-year plan. Um, we can explore to 4033 02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:37,600 see if there might be a rep 4034 02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:39,359 prioritization. I like the idea of 4035 02:48:39,359 --> 02:48:41,920 phasing something in. Um, but I don't 4036 02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:44,319 think I'm not prepared to increase the 4037 02:48:44,319 --> 02:48:47,200 the uh the the budget at this point in 4038 02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:49,200 time. I don't know if there's any 4039 02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:52,399 appetite for council to consider that. 4040 02:48:52,399 --> 02:48:54,560 None. Okay, good. Is there anybody wants 4041 02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:55,840 to make a comment to that before I open 4042 02:48:55,840 --> 02:48:57,359 up to staff? Councilor Mstead. 4043 02:48:57,359 --> 02:48:58,630 >> Yeah, completely in agreement with you, 4044 02:48:58,630 --> 02:48:58,640 » Yeah, completely in agreement with you, 4045 02:48:58,640 --> 02:49:03,200 Mayor. Um, and the the other um 4046 02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:05,840 issue is weather. We can't control 4047 02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:07,680 weather. I'm I'm looking here. It's plus 4048 02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:09,840 three outside. It's January 14th. I 4049 02:49:09,840 --> 02:49:12,640 think it's the 14th. And it's plus three 4050 02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:15,359 outside. Yesterday was plus 4. Uh, and 4051 02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:18,080 we've had probably 10 4052 02:49:18,080 --> 02:49:20,880 thaw freeze cycles. My my lane was the 4053 02:49:20,880 --> 02:49:23,040 same thing. It It's a mess. and I've got 4054 02:49:23,040 --> 02:49:24,800 a good laneway. So, it's sometimes no 4055 02:49:24,800 --> 02:49:27,279 matter how much material you throw at 4056 02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:28,560 it, it's just the weather doesn't 4057 02:49:28,560 --> 02:49:30,880 cooperate. So, the surface is terrible. 4058 02:49:30,880 --> 02:49:32,720 But, uh I'm going to agree. I don't 4059 02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:36,000 think we touched the budget. Thank you. 4060 02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:38,070 >> Other members of council before I open 4061 02:49:38,070 --> 02:49:38,080 » Other members of council before I open 4062 02:49:38,080 --> 02:49:42,560 up to staff, I saw manager public works. 4063 02:49:42,560 --> 02:49:46,550 >> Yeah. Thank you. Uh uh I'm councilstead. 4064 02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:46,560 » Yeah. Thank you. Uh uh I'm councilstead. 4065 02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:48,880 The one I think what hot it's on our 4066 02:49:48,880 --> 02:49:52,080 topic because last fall was we had a 4067 02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:53,920 more of a unique situation and we're not 4068 02:49:53,920 --> 02:49:55,520 the only township. Every township around 4069 02:49:55,520 --> 02:49:59,520 had the same uh um social media posts as 4070 02:49:59,520 --> 02:50:05,040 we did. Um it we we got we got 4071 02:50:05,040 --> 02:50:07,200 uh rain then it froze and it was very 4072 02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:11,359 tough challenging. We our staff uh put 4073 02:50:11,359 --> 02:50:12,720 in a lot of overtime and a lot of 4074 02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:16,160 weekend work uh to try to get the roads 4075 02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:18,240 half decent gravel roads before freeze 4076 02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:22,080 up. and I um and I um thank him for 4077 02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:25,120 that. The one item that I we've talked 4078 02:50:25,120 --> 02:50:30,000 as staff internally um is any um with 4079 02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:32,080 GRA roads how it's done it's it's it's 4080 02:50:32,080 --> 02:50:34,399 estimated how much tonnage we need per 4081 02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:38,319 per road and it's added up um within our 4082 02:50:38,319 --> 02:50:40,240 budget. One thing I would suggest and 4083 02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:43,279 I've talked to Charger about this is any 4084 02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:45,439 surplus if you surplus from a year and 4085 02:50:45,439 --> 02:50:48,399 and for example this year um there is a 4086 02:50:48,399 --> 02:50:50,720 surplus in sorry in 2025 there was 4087 02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:52,800 surplus because we didn't do the entire 4088 02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:54,319 road network that that we were going 4089 02:50:54,319 --> 02:50:57,439 through that that went into a reserve 4090 02:50:57,439 --> 02:50:59,040 that we could pull from the following 4091 02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:01,120 year. So for example, if we use instead 4092 02:51:01,120 --> 02:51:02,880 of previous years, it would just go into 4093 02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:04,160 working funds at the end of the year in 4094 02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:07,279 a general surplus, if we pull it out and 4095 02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:10,640 put it into a into a fund that for 4096 02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:12,399 example, if if there's an extra 20,000 4097 02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:15,920 from 2025, we could we could we could 4098 02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:20,000 I'm bringing a a report back and if if 4099 02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:22,080 if we can do one more road with that 4100 02:51:22,080 --> 02:51:26,640 with that money. Um I know uh the one 4101 02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:28,479 thing we were trying to do better is um 4102 02:51:28,479 --> 02:51:30,800 could we do gra tickets and brought in 4103 02:51:30,800 --> 02:51:32,800 and determine 4104 02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:35,200 um like if we in the fall if we do it 4105 02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:36,479 soon enough we know how much money's 4106 02:51:36,479 --> 02:51:38,880 left in the in the in the budget. The 4107 02:51:38,880 --> 02:51:41,200 one issue with that is that we do 4108 02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:44,399 schedule our work um like do a work plan 4109 02:51:44,399 --> 02:51:46,399 for the year and sometimes it's it's too 4110 02:51:46,399 --> 02:51:48,560 much time in in the fall. So what by 4111 02:51:48,560 --> 02:51:50,720 having reserve anyone come we can do it 4112 02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:52,160 early enough to to program that in make 4113 02:51:52,160 --> 02:51:53,439 sure there's enough time to program that 4114 02:51:53,439 --> 02:51:57,750 in 4115 02:51:57,760 --> 02:51:59,600 » good and that's the kind of that's the 4116 02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:00,960 kind of thinking that we want. I think 4117 02:52:00,960 --> 02:52:03,120 we have to come up with some other ways 4118 02:52:03,120 --> 02:52:05,279 than just increasing taxation to achieve 4119 02:52:05,279 --> 02:52:09,279 it. Um so yeah please I would encourage 4120 02:52:09,279 --> 02:52:11,439 uh staff to consider that as a as an 4121 02:52:11,439 --> 02:52:15,920 option. It's good. Anything else? Okay, 4122 02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:19,200 final call on the budget 2026 as 4123 02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:22,000 presented. 4124 02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:24,800 Good. Uh I just can you put up the slide 4125 02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:27,920 at the So just to review the resolution 4126 02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:29,359 that's on the floor and I can't remember 4127 02:52:29,359 --> 02:52:31,920 the mover. Oh, councelor Olmstead was 4128 02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:34,080 the mover. Councelor Moore was the 4129 02:52:34,080 --> 02:52:37,920 seconder. Those are the three 4130 02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:41,120 um elements of that resolution that's on 4131 02:52:41,120 --> 02:52:43,920 the floor. 4132 02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:45,840 I'll just let council take a moment to 4133 02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:47,760 review it. I know it was three hours 4134 02:52:47,760 --> 02:53:00,070 ago. 4135 02:53:00,080 --> 02:53:02,399 Good. So, if there was if if I know it 4136 02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:04,880 was a huge package. So, if you want to 4137 02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:07,840 make an amendment to it that that we can 4138 02:53:07,840 --> 02:53:10,399 accept that now. Otherwise, I will call 4139 02:53:10,399 --> 02:53:13,120 for the vote. 4140 02:53:13,120 --> 02:53:14,720 Good. Call for the vote. All those in 4141 02:53:14,720 --> 02:53:17,520 favor? And it's carried unanimously. 4142 02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:19,439 With that, I just want to first off 4143 02:53:19,439 --> 02:53:21,120 thank the staff. I know this has been a 4144 02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:23,200 tremendous amount of work, especially 4145 02:53:23,200 --> 02:53:25,600 with the additional asks this year, 4146 02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:27,600 five-year forecast, and forcing us to 4147 02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:29,520 have these tough discussions. Thank you 4148 02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:31,439 for doing that, and I think council I 4149 02:53:31,439 --> 02:53:32,880 think future councils are going to 4150 02:53:32,880 --> 02:53:35,200 appreciate it. So, thank you. 4151 02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:37,110 >> Okay. What else is on this agenda? I can 4152 02:53:37,110 --> 02:53:37,120 » Okay. What else is on this agenda? I can 4153 02:53:37,120 --> 02:53:40,150 adjourn. 4154 02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:42,720 » Yes. Unless it's something else. Yes. 4155 02:53:42,720 --> 02:53:45,349 >> No. 4156 02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:45,359 » No. 4157 02:53:45,359 --> 02:53:49,750 >> Oh. Uh, yes. This was provided. Is that 4158 02:53:49,750 --> 02:53:49,760 » Oh. Uh, yes. This was provided. Is that 4159 02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:53,040 just an example of what the, uh, the 4160 02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:53,920 bylaws? 4161 02:53:53,920 --> 02:53:55,110 >> Yeah, I think that's what's going to go 4162 02:53:55,110 --> 02:53:55,120 » Yeah, I think that's what's going to go 4163 02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:57,680 forward to council. 4164 02:53:57,680 --> 02:53:58,870 >> Perfect. So, this is what's being 4165 02:53:58,870 --> 02:53:58,880 » Perfect. So, this is what's being 4166 02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:00,640 brought forward to the council meeting. 4167 02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:04,070 >> Item number two, I think it was on the 4168 02:54:04,070 --> 02:54:04,080 » Item number two, I think it was on the 4169 02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:05,439 recommendation. 4170 02:54:05,439 --> 02:54:07,910 >> Good. If there's no other final 4171 02:54:07,910 --> 02:54:07,920 » Good. If there's no other final 4172 02:54:07,920 --> 02:54:11,200 comments, we are adjourned at 2:51. For 4173 02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:13,200 those people that are watching, we will 4174 02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:16,640 initiate our council meeting at 300 p.m. 4175 02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:19,800 Thank you.