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She I don't know. She
>> Oh, well, I'll take purple then.

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» Thank you.
>> What happened to my little one? You gave

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me a little teeny tiny one.
>> Well, they do tell us

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he gave me a little

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besides

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Hello. Can you hear me?
>> Can you hear us?

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» Yes, I can hear you.

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» Hold on. Here's a pen.
>> Give that to her. Get that to her.

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That's my Broadway pen. I like
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» [clears throat]

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» We just don't have anyone to come to our
meetings anymore. They'd be so

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interesting.

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» Boring is not bad.
>> No,

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a little extra boring.

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» Last time we had a Witchita documentary
documentary. Are you familiar with them?

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I didn't really there was a person was
sitting right up there

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» and I didn't see that she documented
anything for us. I tried to look online

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and I didn't you see anything about
them?

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» I've been to other meetings where they I
don't know if they I think they just

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keep records. I'm not sure they actually
>> well they had they had one on

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» I can't remember it was
>> I think whatever they have volunteers

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for they had certain

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Give this to Jan and she give it to
anyone. This is one for you. And

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» is Emma coming? She said she was sick
and I told her not to come. She was

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coming.
>> I know. She was told by and I said he

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didn't trust me.
>> You said you're sick. It's not really a

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question.
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she's still sitting.
>> I told her I said give her.

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» Yeah. I told her to stay away from me.
>> Yeah. You don't need You don't need

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whatever she's got.
>> No.

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» [clears throat]

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» So, I'm gonna wait for Emily.
>> Jason coming or

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» Yes, he's coming. Uh he's uh he said he
might be actually he may be a little bit

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late because he's his his uh office
hours have changed. So, he's working on

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Wednesdays now. And but he says he just
has to to get everything signed up. So,

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he thought he could make it. I told him
that we probably wouldn't get to much of

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anything.

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Here he comes.
>> Yay. Here you come. How are you doing?

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» Good.

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» I don't know.

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I've had and this is the only two things
that she's handed out to us before we go

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back,
>> I guess. I don't know.

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» So, we're gonna wait for Emily to come
um because she's

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sort of integral to this. Emily is the
is the manager of the animal shelter.

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» Have you met her?
>> Have you been to the animal shelter?

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» Oh, no.
>> You have and you met Emily?

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» No, I haven't.
>> You should call Emily and have her take

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you on a tour and visit. I think that'd
be very wise. I think if you're wanting

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to learn a lot, that'd be the best way
to do it.

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» I was

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I believe.

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» Hey, Alan.

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So that's why I

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» did that to buy home.
>> No, no, no. That was

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» Oh, yeah.

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» Yeah.

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take you to
move them out.

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out west

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sake. Well,

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Not for sissies.

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We're asking

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» you by word.

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Oh yeah.

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» I guess I understand that W's the worst
for

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[clears throat]

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me.
That's not good. You must be really

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sick.

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» I had to figure out how to get

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» that.

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Well, you can you can qualify itchy skin
as pain.

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I just don't think you were in a spot at
that time to make change.

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» It should be

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» as long as I think ahead.

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That's part of
>> now. Let me look for something that I

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think will be here.
>> Sometimes I'm not kidding.

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» We hope Emily has not been pulled over
for drunk driving because she's taking

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some medication. [laughter]
>> No, I'm not kidding. I just just

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kidding. Just kidding.
>> Ellen, don't you remember that when we

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did the bylaws, we made it where you're
supposed to raise your hand when you

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vote? Yes, absolutely.
>> It's not in there and we can't find it.

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» You're kidding me. Who's in?
>> Well, I think that we can go over the

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minutes and probably pick it up from the
minute. I think

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we're gonna I'm gonna say that's a

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» jam behind that door.

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» When we did the bylaws, we did say that
we wanted people to raise their hands

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when they vote.

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I don't disagree. I just don't remember.
>> Okay. Well, because it's not in the

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bylaws right now.
>> Are those

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» I think the chair should be able to
>> by you have

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» I would go back and compare to your last
copy.

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» Well, there that's what she that's what
Susan's doing.

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» Okay, we're gonna start this meeting.
How are you doing, Emily?

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» How are you doing, Emily?
ill.

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» Okay. No, I you should have been in full
garb. You know, [laughter]

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Emily's been sick and she's coming to me
not feeling very well.

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» So,
>> is there time for my report?

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» I'm sorry. We [clears throat] haven't
even started.

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» No, we're just waiting. Yes. Go ahead.

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» And and
>> I I want to do some housekeeping real

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quick.
>> Okay. So, I brought these right here

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because if it isn't in our ordinance, it
should be. Uh me and Stephanie will tell

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you, she's been to every meeting, too,
since July of 2015 when this started.

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And they used to vote and they get done
and say it was unanimous or 4:1 or 5 to2

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or whatever. And I'm like, I didn't even
hear anyone or anything. So, we tried to

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put it in the the deal to uh raise your
hand. Well, I've went one better. So if

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you could see this, if you really
strongly and you you you want to be bold

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and strong, you you you raise your hand
and be proud of that. If if it's so so

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you but you're voting for it here and
then if it's 51% bring it down here. So

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but I would like that everyone use
these. You don't have to do my little

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all this, but just just raise it so Oh,
no. We can

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» you're proud So you're proud of your
vote.

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And you know what? You could be the
caretaker of the

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» Yes. I'll take them at the end and bring
if you give me the the things.

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» There you go.
>> I I cannot find those. I'm so sorry.

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» Give me those. I'll bring those, too.
>> Yeah. So, that is my bad. I put them

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away in a place I wouldn't forget. And
guess what?

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I haven't been able to find them. I'm
Maybe someone moved them. I don't know.

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But our board is so little.
We don't have a very big board yet. We

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don't we won't ever have a big board.
>> While we're waiting, why don't we just

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go around the the board? I'm George Theo
Harris from District Three.

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» Susan Richardson, the mayor's
representative. Ellen Corner, district

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one.
>> Nancy Bradley, district four.

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» Jason Albertson, JB Johnson's district
>> district five.

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» There you go. Okay. Shame on you.
>> Shame on you. [clears throat]

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» Kick me out.
>> No,

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» I'm fired.
>> And Stephanie McCarti is from

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» And she's That's Stephanie. Hi,
Stephanie. And she's from District 2.

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She's on She's on vacation, I think. So,
she's behind you.

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» I am not on vacation. I'm traveling for
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» Okay. Well, I didn't know. That's good.
Better that you be on vacation, I'm

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sure.

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Okay. Okay. We'd like to start the
meeting. Um, I'm going to call the

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meeting to order. And the first thing
that we need to to do on this meeting is

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to approve the minutes from last
meeting. And Stephanie, you had a

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question. [clears throat]
>> I have a Yes, I have a correction to the

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person who's absent. We list Patricia as
absent and she is no longer on the

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board. I have replaced her. So, we need
to have that struck from last month's

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minutes, please. Thank you.
>> Then I have a correction,

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and I think the vets would kill me if
they put red as the way it was.

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» Yeah. Anyhow, it's on page two, and it's
under presented by Theo Harrison Corner,

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and it's the second um little dot and it
says veterinarians made it more

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difficult. And what I said was they make
it more difficult. And I think when I

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talked to um Healey, she said she
thought since I was talking about the

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veterinarians that I was thinking about
the veterinarians and I wasn't. Did you

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read that? Did you notice that already?
And so I talked to her. I think we can

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say they and then in parentheses the
city is making it more difficult. And

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the reason I said that is because of the
Excel file they sent because we wanted

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to make it simplified. So I'd like to
have that change to take it off. It's

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not the veterinarians although we need
to get them to get on board. the process

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process.
>> Yeah, the process

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» and there there needs to be an addition
too. Um I was stating that I had sent an

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email to Emily
um about licenses and

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she uh told me that I needed to get with
licensing or the police department or

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and licensing won't talk with me. So,
it's not because I've been rude to them

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either. Oh, I've asked some questions
they did not want to give me answers to,

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but they was never being rude. So,
that's not in the report here. And I

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have email to document that. That's uh
they're tying our hands and we just

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can't have that.
>> So, are you saying that you want that

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added or is it
>> Yes, please.

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» And where would you add that? Where
would it be?

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Oh, it was near the end. Near the end,
remember?

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. Um,

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what I'm going to do is I'm going to uh
defer approving the minutes until we can

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come in and get them corrected and then
bring it back to us. Does that make

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sense?
>> I think people are asking for quite a

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few things, especially what you're
asking for.

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» And I could send her the emails and and
she could just she don't she don't have

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to look at nothing. Well, it's what you
said in it's not the email

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» I read. So I read them out of the
meeting.

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» Yeah. So the email that I read.
>> So do I have a second to defer the

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approval of the minutes till next
meeting.

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» All those in favor raise your hands.
Okay.

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Stephanie.
>> Oh, Stephanie,

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are you there?
>> I'm here.

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How did you vote on deferring the
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» Yes.
>> Okay.

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» If I vote no, I'll put it in the chat so
Keley will know.

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» Okay. But we want to know, not just Ke
because Key is not here.

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» Okay. Just say yes or no on anything
that we vote on. Okay. Okay. The next up

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is our um
is Emily um on uh

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animal services report and we got a
chair up here. Do you want to just do it

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if you do back there? I don't know if
you're going to be able to be heard.

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» Can you guys hear me?
>> Well, it's whether they can hear you.

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» Stephanie, can you hear me?
>> Yes.

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[clears throat]
I'd rather not germ everybody up.

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All right. Um
>> closer to June.

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» Yeah.
The So you guys have the report that has

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May and June on it since we were last
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And our intake for cats in May was 309
and 444 in June. Intake for dogs was 430

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in May and 441 in June. Um we're right
around average numbers for last year. Uh

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but our overall euthanasia rate for dogs
is lower. Cats pretty much race remains

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the same. But the bulk of the euthanasia
for cats uh is still neonates or those

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that have been badly injured.
Unfortunately with a heavy

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overpopulation pro problem of mostly
unowned cats I believe um they get

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injured a lot and that's a mercy
euthania isn't a big category for us.

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» Any questions on the regular do or on
the regular

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um I just have a question uh is this
higher this year or lower this year than

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than years before
>> on intake? on intakes. Are we taking in

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more animals or less animals?
>> About the same. It It's really very

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close.
>> Very close. Okay.

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» Any other questions?

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No questions.
Are there any question on this?

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The next report is the dangerous dogs
report. Um it's also published on the

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website now. So, I I'll refraining from
reading it for you guys, but just take a

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look at those and let me know if you
have any questions about anything.

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And I guess I'm going to ask the same
thing. Um, maybe it would be helpful if

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we had some sort of of comparison.
>> I remember. Yes, I I'll bring that next

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time.
>> Okay. Yeah, because it'd be nice to know

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whether we're going up or down on stuff.
>> I had a question. It says uh in May

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there were more euthanas than intakes.
>> Whoa, that doesn't sound good.

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» On dangerous dogs.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. So, um and this one's a this is a
kind of wonky because it doesn't exactly

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spell out what is happening very clearly
just in a statistic.

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» Okay. So dangerous dogs can exist in
these these four categories are aren't

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necessarily all related to the same
animals.

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So for example um and and this is done
and it's done by calendar month. So

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maybe I took a dangerous dog in on May
30th to the shelter, but that dangerous

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dog's outcome might have been a
euthanatia or it might have gone back

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home. Um, it might that dangerous dog's
uh intake could also be determined

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nothing further. So maybe it didn't end
up with a dangerous dog determination,

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but it came in as a dangerous dog
designation.

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And then the outcomes for that same
month, let's say that it was euthanized.

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Um, that process takes several weeks
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determination. The person has time to
come back with it. So, the intake isn't

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necessarily going to add up to the
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um there are situations some sometimes
also where we're doing a dangerous dog

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investigation, but we aren't in taking
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facility. It may be at a veterinarian.
It may be um at doing its home

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quarantine for something that we are
going to assume is going to be something

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nothing further and we're not requiring
that it come into the shelter while we

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complete the investigation.
Um there there's just a lot of different

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variables in that. So it doesn't
necessarily equal out to the same.

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» And two, doesn't your euthanasia include
like if a citizen brings a pet in

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» right you didn't intake it. Do you you
do you do an intake on those or do you

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» um not typically those are gonna those
are going to be the um d the next

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category which is dangerous dog. XUP
stands for uh owner surrender in our

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um and and so those those mean that the
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necessarily complete a full
investigation because the owner is

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saying, you know, this dog maybe it
attacked my f my child. It needs to be

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euthanized. And so we wouldn't conduct
an investigation on that one, but it

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would count towards the euth.
>> So those inverted numbers probably would

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have made more sense for cats since they
have nine lives.

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[clears throat]
[laughter]

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» That's his voice. You do add humor. You
do add humor. Um, any other questions of

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the report.
No questions. Thank you very much. And

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you can put your head down and rest if
you want to.

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» Okay. Next on the agenda on the the is
public comment.

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And I don't have Who's can you bring up
the public comment or someone bring up

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the public? Who signed up for public
comment?

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very much.

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» We just have one. We have such a few
public comments and Tony Wman.

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» Thank you. Um yeah, I I agree. There's
hardly anybody here. There used to be

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people from Humane Society. I don't
know, six or seven police officers. Um

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people from the shelter, not just the
shelter supervisor. And now here we are.

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Nobody. Um, I wanted to follow up. Um, I
missed the meeting in May, but I was at

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the meeting in March, and I did make a
public comment then that I want to

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follow up on, and it has to do with all
of the animals who are leaving this area

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going to rescue, but we don't know what
rescue they're going to. Um Emily told

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me in March that they were going the
cats were going to Missouri and

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Wisconsin
and I'm wondering so they have a

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scarcity of cats in Missouri and
Wisconsin.

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» Yeah, we're not going to have any
questions.

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» Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Anyway, that was my comment. They have a

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that I was wondering, you know, do they
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that I bring this up again is because
first of all, there's been no

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At least I haven't seen any resolution
to at least knowing where they're going.

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But there's been a lot of public
information about a place called

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Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna, California.
And this is a rescue where um they went

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in and this place had been receiving
animals uh cats and dogs from area

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rescues and shelters and what have you.
They couldn't adopt them out. They were

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fundraising on them, making hundreds of
thousands of dollars and then killing

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the animals. And so they found graves of
hundreds of dogs and cats that have been

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killed over a certain amount of time.
It's called Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna,

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California. I urge everybody to Google
that. And [clears throat]

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if you don't know for sure that your
animals are going to a good rescue, it

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might be going to a horrible death. You
don't know that. So that's comment.

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Thank you very much. Okay. I didn't even
turn on my stopwatch.

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Off you go. That concludes new business.
Um I mean that concludes the public new

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business. We're going to have election
of officers and I'd like to start that

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off with the election of the chairperson
and I would like to make a nomination

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that Stephanie Mccernie um uh be elected
as our next chairperson. I'm worn out.

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Is there a second?
>> Well, no. Is there any more?

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» No. No, we have to. No. Okay. Are there
any? You're going to second it. Okay.

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Are there any other nominations for the
chairperson?

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» Yes. I make a nomination that you stay
as chair.

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» I'm not going to do that. I have too
much to do. I have too much and

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Stephanie is a very good person. She can
run a meeting very very well.

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Are there any other nominations?
I close the nominations. Is there any

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input? Can we have input from the from
the floor or do we not do that during so

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glad you're here?
>> The board first and then the floor. I

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would say
>> you would have on an election, you

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wouldn't have input from the citizens.
It would just be the

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» You wouldn't have input from the
>> Okay, that's I didn't know that. Okay.

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Are there any discussion about this?
>> All I want to say is we've been there,

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done that, and um
if uh

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all I'm going to say, been there, done
that. Any

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other comments?
I'm going to bring it to a vote. All

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those in favor of Stephanie being the
chairperson, raise your purple or orange

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hand, purple and your orange hand.
All those opposed.

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Okay, there's one, two, three, four,
four. Stephanie.

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» Oh, Stephanie. Do you want to vote for
yourself?

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» Yes, I'll vote for myself. Thank you.
>> Okay. [laughter] Okay. One, two, three,

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four, five, five, four, and one against.
So Stephanie, you're the new

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chairperson. Now, I have a question. I'm
going to go ahead and go through the

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rest of the the nominations, but should
Stephanie take over the meeting now or

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should I continue with the meeting and
have Stephanie take over the next

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meeting?
>> I would have her take over the next

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meeting.
>> The next meeting. Okay. All right.

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» Okay.
>> Yes. [clears throat]

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» I make a motion, Susan, to be the the
vice chair.

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» Okay. So that was the next thing up for
the first V. We have two vice chairs.

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Okay. Okay. So we have a motion for
Susan to be the first vice chair.

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» Can Susan clarify something?
>> Yes.

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» Is there a sequence to the vice chair or
is just like level like is there first

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vice chair, second vice chair?
>> First vice chair, second vice chair.

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» I declined to be first vice chair.
>> Okay. Yes.

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» Make a motion that Jason be the first
vice chair.

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Ah, you're up. [laughter]
Okay. A second. I second that. I second

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that. Is there any other nominations for
vice chair?

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Stephanie.
Okay. Uh then we'll close the

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nominations and we'll take a vote. All
those in favor of Jason being our first

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vice chair, raise your hand.
>> Okay. That's one, two, three, four, and

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raise it like [laughter] that.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Yes. Good. Okay. Well, that's um that is

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uh nomish. Okay. Five to zero.
>> Make a motion that the second vice chair

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is Susan.
>> That's six to zero. Helen.

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» Oh, six to zero.
>> It's five here. That's why six because

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she's Yeah.
>> Okay. Six to Thank you for correcting

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me.
>> Second, Vice Chair Susan,

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» now that it's been clarified.
>> I'm willing to be second. You're willing

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to be a second.
I will second that nomination. Is any

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discussion?
You two can hash it out. Okay.

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[laughter]
No, I'm not kidding.

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» I would like to know if you ever took
the tour of the shelter with Emily.

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» I have not taken the the tour with
Emily. [clears throat]

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» I probably need to find time to do that,
too.

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» And you need to, too. Okay. Well, I
think that that I think you missed the

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one tour that they gave that they didn't
know that happened. Um,

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» I I took a tour of the shelter with
Ellen. So, I have been to the shelter,

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but have not been to the shelter with
Ellen.

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» We'll do it sometime. It'll work out. I
think maybe you can go together and take

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that tour.
>> Ellen, are there any more nominations?

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» Yes, I know. Are there any more
nominations?

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All those in favor, raise your hand.

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Stephanie,

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» yes or no? Stephanie?
>> Yes. Sorry.

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» Is it yes?
>> Yes.

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» Okay. All those against, one against.
Okay. So, that's one, two, three, four,

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five, four, and one again. And one name.
So, uh,

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you're on. you're on. And Stephanie, I
can't wait for you to take over next

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month, next meeting. Okay. You do a good
job.

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Okay. Now then, the next thing up is um
the uh

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new is the old business. And I guess I'm
up on this. I've handed out a packet for

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you. And Stephanie, did you get I sent
you what we're what I'm handing out,

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which is just an overview of the of the
uh uh of the things that were voted for

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and against. Did you get that today?
>> Yes, I got it.

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» Well, you did get one, but you have that
from the last year from the last

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meeting. Okay. Um
I contacted I'm not I contact Alejandro

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AIO. I think that's her name, how she
pronounces it with the bin. Is it Casio?

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Do you know Jan Alejandra? Anyhow, I
asked for an update for the number of

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licenses that came in in the second
quarter, which would be the total for

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the for the first uh I guess for the
first two quarters or the half a year in

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the licensing. And I'm going to recoup
this. I'm going to remind I don't think

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you're here. I'm going to just go over a
few things. Um when we and George when

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George I asked to see how the licensing
was doing after they they uh um approved

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some of the different things that we had
recommended in 2024 which was before it

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was approved they had 15,28
licenses with a revenue of $268,981.

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They also had eight veterinarians on
board. Um they had in 2025 they had

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seven veterinarians on board and that
number dropped from 9,000 to 9,544

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with a revenue of 1841
$184 that $184,000

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and86 and800 $184,869
uh dollars of income. So the income

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dropped not totally in half but it
dropped consistently and the numbers uh

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almost dropped in half.
>> Is this number how many licensed during

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that year?
>> Yes, this is during the year.

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» What if some of those 15,000 in 2024 did
a three-year license?

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» They didn't have that ability to because
it well they could have at the very

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beginning. Okay. And we that's a
question that I have. Okay. That's a

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question I ask the license department.
How many are are three years and how

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many are are just one year or two years?
because they do have a one, two or three

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year and I'll discuss that a little bit
later. Okay. And then what we saw and so

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it went into effect the end of 2024.
Is that correct? I think it was approved

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in September of 13.
September 13 of 2024. And but some of it

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did not go into I don't know if they did
the three-year not until the 1 of 2025.

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» Right. That's correct.
>> So that so that just sort of started in

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2025. Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you. And then in 2026 up to

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date, we have 3,95

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licenses with the amount of 78,800.
>> Can you repeat that number?

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» Okay. 3,95
licenses, excuse me, licenses.

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78,800 [clears throat]

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taken in. Now,
>> how many vets?

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» Oh, three. Three veterinarians. And I
don't know if that has changed. U Emily,

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do you know if it's changed? That's I
got this from Alejandra. I contacted her

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and she was very kind and got this phone
last week.

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» Yeah.

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» So, um, we were all, I think, shocked at
the decrease because what we did when we

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when we put the sub together was we
wanted to make the the licensing

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increase. We wanted to get more dogs
licensed. And uh

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the next I guess I can show you this and
I should have had this for the topic. I

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I feel bad if you if you went through
the the uh PowerPoint notes that I have

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over there and shared them around.
You'll see what we're talking about, but

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I didn't have enough meds to buy enough
to print them off.

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Making notes on this, but I can share.
>> Huh? [laughter]

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» Look like there's a couple.
>> Yeah, there's more. I ran copies. I fig

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you guys pass.
>> And so the second

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» the page that you have here talks about
just a just a visual of what this looks

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like. We handed this out last meeting
and I don't think you were here at the

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last meeting, Jason. So that's why I put
this on here. And this shows the number

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of history. In about 2010, we had over
40,000 around 40,000 dogs licensed. and

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it has now dropped down to
hopefully we're going to get 8,000

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licensed maybe if we we got almost 4,000
for the first uh half year. Hopefully

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we'll get more but we don't know.
Um and then this is this is just the

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revenue showing how much it went down. I
don't have 2023. I never did get 2023

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but I think it sort of followed the
trend. And then 26 is the lowest it's

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been in 25 years I think. And this is
all information that we got through the

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subcommittee.
So

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we I I presented this at the last
meeting and I I did presented it badly.

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I should have sent some of this stuff
out previously. Um but at the last

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meeting there were some concerns about
the efficiency of the license of

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subcommittee as to what they did and uh
they wanted to know what was what were

422
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:25,119
recommended and what was you know what
was accepted by the city. Okay.

423
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:32,079
And so I sent out very late last night
because well yesterday afternoon because

424
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:39,440
I ran across the the uh workshop uh
video where they discussed things. So we

425
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:43,359
the board presented
the uh recommendations this my

426
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:50,160
subcommittee presented the re
recommendations in May of 2023

427
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:55,680
and uh at that time it was voted on by
the board to pass on with the vote of

428
00:37:52,160 --> 00:38:01,040
five yays one nay and one absence
abstain. So it passed and it was then

429
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:05,520
sent on to the police department.
Now our in May of 2023

430
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:09,359
and I looked at all the minutes because
I knew what happened but at each meeting

431
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,640
we asked where the meetings were where
where are the where the recommendations

432
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,560
and we really didn't get a good answer.
They said, "We don't know downtown

433
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:23,359
someplace." And so they were sort of
stalled. And then on the

434
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:27,200
uh I guess it was the March meeting of
2024,

435
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:31,520
Mike, who was a chair at that time,
reported that, hey, they're going to

436
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,960
start they're going to um we're in the
process and they hope to get them to the

437
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:39,440
city council in the next week in the
next month or so. And that was at the

438
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,440
March meeting. That was about a year
later.

439
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:52,880
I just uh Googled and IA said there's
130 to 150 dogs in Witchah and IIA is

440
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:57,119
never wrong. So if you multiply that
times 22.5

441
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,520
that's about the average cost of a
license. It's 15 if it's fake and

442
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:08,760
neutered but 50 if it's not. If you
average in all of that it's about 2250.

443
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,760
So that's two point 2,925,000

444
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,760
that could be collected that's not being
collected

445
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:21,680
» and and that's something that we talked
about in this in the slides. Now then um

446
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:28,320
in April of 2024 Jan presented for the
first time to the city um council the

447
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:32,800
recommendations and they prior to going
for that one period of time I think that

448
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,200
those recommendations were being looked
at. We we didn't expect all of the

449
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:42,960
recommendations to pass. You know, we I
I had no no thought that they would ever

450
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:46,079
license cats, okay? Much to much to
Georgia, but I knew that was probably

451
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:52,160
going to be one of the things that we
kicked out. But Dan, you got with law

452
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,200
department, PD, and the finance, and you
went through and looked at what

453
00:39:53,599 --> 00:40:00,240
utilities
accept. Okay. And she presented it to

454
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:04,400
the city. And I just want I always like
to correct things when they're wrong. At

455
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:08,720
the last meeting, it was stated that the
city council voted no on our

456
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:13,920
recommendations, and that's not true. Uh
they were the recommendations weren't

457
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:23,040
given to them until after the city after
PD and uh uh finance and law said we can

458
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:27,920
accept such certain months. And um
>> but and I just want to clarify that this

459
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,640
first time she presented them, they were
at a workshop, not

460
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:37,440
» Yeah, workshop. No, it was a workshop.
I'm sorry after and it was after the PD

461
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,839
had looked at these your workshop. It
was after

462
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,599
» this is the first time it was presented
a workshop. I'm sorry I didn't say

463
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:46,880
workshop. Okay. Now then
>> Excuse me. No, PD was looking at them

464
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,280
before you did your workshop.
>> That's what I said. That's what I could

465
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,880
that's what I asked her.
>> Yeah, but I don't think she answered it

466
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,680
right.
>> She did. She shook her head. Yes.

467
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,599
» No. Yeah. And and I said that that
>> Yeah, they PD looked at it. Then you

468
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,960
took their recommendations and you
presented it

469
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,760
» and then you went before the city
council and they voted in

470
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,920
» 70. Yeah.
>> And and that was

471
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,000
» they didn't vote on the recommendations.
We just presented the present.

472
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:15,760
» No, no, not that they did later.
>> I'm let me finish George. Let me go

473
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:25,440
through this. Okay. All right. And so um
that was in uh April of 2024.

474
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:32,480
And uh the
the uh they were then presented after

475
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,599
the workshop to the city council in
September the September 13th meeting.

476
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,880
» It was August 13th.
>> August 13th. August

477
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:41,760
» because it was the same day as
neighborhood night out.

478
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,040
» Really? It was August, not September.
Okay. Well, I'm wrong.

479
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,560
» Okay. I will always admit that I'm
wrong.

480
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:49,839
» I don't know.
>> Don't worry. I sent it to you today and

481
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,240
it said August 13th. So, you're fine.
That's all right. Okay. So, it was

482
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:56,800
August 13th and they voted seven to zero
to accept all of the recommendations

483
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,920
that
>> in the or they were put into

484
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:05,040
» they were in the ordinance. Now, I have
been because I I sent the the video and

485
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:10,560
I wanted everyone to see it because I
think that a lot of stuff was said in

486
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:13,599
the workshop that I can't you know I
can't say everything there. But it was a

487
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:18,720
very very good workshop. There's some
good questions. But what I did in the

488
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:26,400
next six sheet is I printed off very
crudely their your um uh PowerPoint

489
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,960
notes for the workshop. Okay. And so I
wanted to go over that because people

490
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:33,599
want to know what was taken, what
wasn't. And so the first recommendation

491
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,480
was licensing both cats and dogs. And
they said, "Hey, we got enough

492
00:42:35,184 --> 00:42:41,280
[clears throat] dogs licensing. We can't
do cats at this time." And I remember

493
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,720
talking to to uh Jan about that. And she
said, "That's a good idea, but not right

494
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,720
now." And so it's not like they said
never never never but maybe it is never

495
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,240
never
but they said that they wouldn't do that

496
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,599
at this time. So that one was one that
they didn't take with they took with the

497
00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:00,720
dogs and not the cats. And the second
one was mandatory microchipping of cats

498
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:03,920
and dogs and this was actually put in
the the advisory board wanted to do

499
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,359
that. I mean the subcommittee wanted to
do that but we didn't think we could

500
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,160
until the police says hey we want you to
do that and said okay good we're going

501
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,599
to put it in. So, we were real happy
about that. And that, of course, was

502
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:18,319
supported. And then offering a
three-year license if a dog has a

503
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:23,040
three-year vaccine and offers no refunds
for unused years. Uh we I don't think we

504
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:27,520
put in the refund, but that was good
that we we put it in. We might have put

505
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:32,720
that in. But anyhow, uh they supported
that. So, that went through. And then

506
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:36,880
changing the licensing price to 15 and
50. I think there was some questions

507
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:42,160
about it should be 20 and 40, but it
ended up being 15 and 50. Okay, 15 for

508
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,480
altered and 50 for unaltered. And that
was we did that so that we could

509
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:50,800
encourage spay and neighboring of the of
the animals because that's one thing

510
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:54,960
that can happen. And the and the police
department supported that. And then we

511
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:59,040
increased the three dogs and three to
two dogs and two cats and three dogs and

512
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:03,119
three cats because a lot of us have
three dogs. I have three dogs. I hate to

513
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,720
say that, but I have three dogs. Now I
have three dogs. And the and the witch

514
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,839
supported the recommendation. And I
didn't think about it till I looked at

515
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,040
what you said that that's going to
probably drop down some of the animal

516
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:16,160
maintenance permits that they have to
do. So that's a plus. Okay. Because see

517
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,760
before if you had three you had to get
an animal maintenance [clears throat]

518
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:24,160
permit and now it's at four. Then they
added a dedicated employee to administer

519
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:28,480
the pet license.
And we thought if you have someone as an

520
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:33,200
employee that does it, you know that
that has paid $60,000. I think someone

521
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,800
said that at the meeting about $16,000
and you were taking in, you know, $800

522
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,480
to a million dollars that that they
could pay for themselves. But I guess

523
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:45,200
the city doesn't believe that. They
don't. Okay. Um and the next one was

524
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,200
partner with the Kansas Mayite to
vaccinate for rabies and licensed

525
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,560
animals before they leave the shelter.
We haven't gotten anything. What?

526
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Nothing's happened with that other than
they are vaccinated for rabies. Right

527
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:02,880
now they are, but they're not gathering.
They're not taking in a license. the

528
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:10,240
it's really just more of an open
discussion at this point um with them

529
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:14,800
getting a new CEO and um talk talking
about the pros and cons of how that

530
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,839
impacts adoptions just with the
additional sticker costs and things like

531
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,040
that. So,
>> okay. Kind of like the veterarians.

532
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:26,960
» Yeah. So, it's just it's like it's an
open discussion. Um but

533
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:32,160
uh just yeah, I I I don't know that
they're against it. I think that Um,

534
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,880
part of the thing is too was when they
started doing the rabies was also when

535
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:40,319
we were kind of starting this
conversation and seeing how that how the

536
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:46,079
new, you know, online system would work
and how we can direct those. Um, I set

537
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:51,040
up a resource computer in my lobby that
we could try to uh also help people get

538
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,680
like their licenses that way. So, I
don't I mean it's it's open for

539
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:59,119
discussion. They're not
>> Does KHS give the adopes instructions?

540
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,880
» They do give them the instructions.
And so they have a new CEO. Is that an

541
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:08,560
interim?
>> They are very close.

542
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:11,599
» Very close. Oh,
>> yes.

543
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:15,920
» I I heard one of the concerns about the
license was that maybe the dog didn't

544
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,680
work out or cat or whatever didn't work
out, they brought back. So maybe we need

545
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:26,000
to put some language in there that if
they bring it back 30, 60, 80, 90 days

546
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:29,839
that that they can use that license for
another animal or something. I think

547
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:37,359
that would maybe circumvent that
problem.

548
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:40,720
» And something that um uh
was talked told to me by a veterinarian,

549
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,079
I can't think of her name. She's cute
because [clears throat] I'm so old that

550
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,280
there I think it's called a kiosk.
There's a little you know what is a

551
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:50,960
little thing I'm old. The little square
thing that you

552
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:55,440
» That's a QR code. a QR code that the QR
code could be set up at at the animal

553
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,640
shelter and at KHS and also in
veterinarians where they just have to

554
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,440
clean in there and do that. Do you have
anything like that?

555
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,800
» We don't have anything like that. That'd
be easy to do.

556
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,599
» Well, that the city would supply.
>> We could do that for sure.

557
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:11,920
» Yeah. And so that would be like
>> who's going to pay for the kiosk?

558
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:18,079
» Well, it's not QR code.
>> Okay. So they would provide us a QR code

559
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:23,760
» and that could be on a website or we
could just scan it off of

560
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:27,119
» that's that's what she it's um um
because she said they could do that even

561
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,599
when they walked out with the animal or
whatever

562
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,240
» like your archa can be printed on
>> printed on and it could be on a placard

563
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:37,440
or sign.
>> Yeah, that's what they're saying. They

564
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:42,480
can just do it. Okay. Anyhow, um but so
they're still working on it with the new

565
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,720
staffing kai.
>> I'm sorry.

566
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,839
» They're still working on that. The
reason behind that,

567
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:54,640
George, if you recall, was that the
biggest number of animals coming into as

568
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:59,200
new animals in the state come from the
humane society. They were our biggest

569
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:05,119
biggest source of new and new animals
coming in and um it would be nice to get

570
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:11,040
those on the licensing situation. What
do most rescues do when they I mean they

571
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:15,839
make sure they have the rabies. Most of
them make sure they're stayed and

572
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:20,000
neutered. Do they give out information
for licensing or do they

573
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:24,720
» Well, I can't I can't
>> or does anybody ask them?

574
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:28,880
» I can't I can't say. Well, I can't speak
for other rescues. We generally tell

575
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,960
about them. Did we tell about the ones
that you took about getting them? Well,

576
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:35,839
we knew that you would license them.
>> Maybe.

577
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,599
I can't remember because she was she
adopted a lot of Dutch dogs a long time

578
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:41,599
ago from us and you adopted dogs even
longer

579
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,559
» one
>> one yeah a dog

580
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:48,559
» but we did that through the business
where I was working they were licensed

581
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:52,319
to them
>> um

582
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:57,680
let's see so then we talked about
increasing the license inform

583
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:01,760
information or uh enforcement by saying
reminders and phone calls and you guys

584
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:07,440
thought it was being done or was were
told it was being done I have to tell

585
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:11,200
you that I don't know of anyone in the
recent five years or six years that has

586
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,880
gotten a reminder. I used to get a
little piece of paper for a long time

587
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,760
ago in the mail.
>> The pink postcard.

588
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:20,800
» The pink. That's what everyone says. The
pink postcard that come in. Didn't have

589
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,760
Do you still have that?
>> No. I've seen one of those in years.

590
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:29,920
» Long time ago. I've said the same that I
haven't seen one in a long time, but

591
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,960
they tell me that they are going out
>> and I would like to see them go out by

592
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:36,000
email just because
>> that would make

593
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:41,200
» Well, I just licensed one of and I had
absolutely no issues. Took me five or

594
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:45,920
six minutes to license my dog last week.
>> And

595
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:48,960
um it does ask you at the end whether
you want the reminder by mail or by

596
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,960
email.
>> Oh, I know.

597
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,760
But it it was very simple to use.
>> Have you gotten a reminder? Has it been

598
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,760
a year?
>> Um,

599
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:07,680
» no, it hasn't been a year. I just I I
did one early kind of to so that I could

600
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:11,440
test it out.
>> Well, I know that [clears throat] um

601
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:16,000
that the veterinarians that I know like
Chuck Olsson who was a very good person

602
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:20,480
who always collected the licensing and
now is not doing it u anymore. Um he

603
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:24,559
says he hasn't seen one of those peak
cards forever. And that was a good thing

604
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,920
for them because it brought the dog in.
Okay. So they

605
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:31,839
» they would always served as a reminder.
>> Uhhuh.

606
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:35,359
» Beyond just our
cards anymore. [clears throat]

607
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:42,720
» Send out texts or like I get a text that
>> Yeah.

608
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:47,359
Well, has [clears throat] Jan, do you
know if that's something that they're

609
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:51,520
looking into making something that will
like this whatever the program that

610
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:55,920
they're using? Will they do that? Well,
>> I've been told that they do send out

611
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:59,760
hundreds of
I don't know what they look like.

612
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,720
» I'm sorry.
>> I was

613
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:10,400
» Well, [clears throat] I I I can I I
don't think Blair Doom seen them. I

614
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:13,359
don't think uh Scare has seen them. I
don't think I've talked to Chuck Ulton

615
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:18,880
have seen them. You haven't seen them.
So, and I haven't seen I haven't gotten

616
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:22,400
anything from my dogs and I just my vet
tells me, "Oh, you need to bring them in

617
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:27,520
on." And so, because I haven't gotten it
for my dogs. So, anyhow, that's

618
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:31,520
something that that was sort of not not
against other than that they don't have

619
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:36,720
personnel to do the phone calls and I
can understand that. Ellen kid kids kid

620
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:42,079
it would be nice if we knew a
veterinarian that we could lean on to

621
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:48,800
ask them especially if they're like a
bird by his chair now where where where

622
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:54,400
the dots aren't being connected
>> well that's that'sant

623
00:51:50,400 --> 00:52:02,000
» I can tell you that you know people they
want value for the money that they spend

624
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:08,160
and I work really hard at conferring
value to the services that they get at

625
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:13,520
my hospital. They don't feed value when
they're paying a license fee. They

626
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:19,280
think, well, it's just going to some
bureaucrat and where that money goes

627
00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:25,920
goes in their deep pole and when they're
But what's the value of

628
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:31,599
of the license? Maybe if we f saw some
value, they would be willing to go the

629
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:35,680
extra mile to part with those dollars.
Okay. So, that's a marketing. It's a

630
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:40,480
marketing.
>> And I know that Councilman High brought

631
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:47,760
it up at the council meeting a couple of
weeks ago and about the licensing and he

632
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:52,880
would suggested threw it out there that
have the money collected help support

633
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,440
the animal shelter and the and the needs
of the

634
00:52:54,319 --> 00:53:03,119
of the animals.
>> They look at it as a tax. You are taxed

635
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:08,400
for the privilege of owning a pet and no
one that this is what

636
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:11,440
» this is the feedback that I would have
gotten that I have gotten

637
00:53:11,196 --> 00:53:16,240
[clears throat]
>> fortunate that he said that. No

638
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:19,440
» because Trish is here and she's going to
explain it here in a little bit. Now in

639
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:25,040
lubing,
>> one of the things, one of the things

640
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:29,760
that I I will tell you that um Dr. Cowan
um a friend of mine uh used to use Dr.

641
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:35,359
Cow when he was there and that's and
what he said was I quit gathering

642
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:40,160
licenses when I found out it was going
to the general fund because I thought it

643
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:44,079
went directly to the animal shelter and
directly to help the animals uh that

644
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,680
they took care of like
>> or it is a tax.

645
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,760
» Pardon?
>> Therefore, it is

646
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:54,960
Oh. Oh, there it is. Well, no, because
he said he said

647
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,880
» Well, but also isn't the shelter funded
by the general fund.

648
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:02,480
» Well, and so that's what But is but does
all of the money that we take in from

649
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:06,079
licensing? Does that show?
>> But that's where it comes from.

650
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:12,880
» Yeah. And and when you're talking about
the license licensing department, um I

651
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:18,960
talked to my councilman this afternoon
who is um

652
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:22,880
class at Dalton and he said that there
are 80 licenses in the city.

653
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:30,160
» Yes.
>> And by the end of this year they hope to

654
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:34,240
have there is um to have 30 of them
digital. So, and I think there's only a

655
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:39,680
couple of people that actually work in
licensing that handle all of this. So,

656
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,200
we need to keep that in mind as well.
>> Yeah, that's one of the problems.

657
00:54:40,932 --> 00:54:50,400
[clears throat]
>> The dog license fee uh could actually

658
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:56,800
cover most of the animal shelter.
>> It but but the most but the the dog

659
00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:01,760
shelter animal shelter is becoming like
the buses. You're just a lose. You're

660
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:05,599
going to lose. It's money thrown. Well,
it's not thrown away. Those people need

661
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,520
it. But what I'm saying is they're not
making money. The buses aren't making

662
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,319
money. Animal shelters not making money.
But they could get closer if they could

663
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:17,440
get that 2.
>> I wouldn't say making money. It's being

664
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:22,480
able to provide the services.
>> I I talked with the outgoing city

665
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:29,280
manager and he did say it goes to the
general fund that 1530 whatever $50. But

666
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:34,800
he said if we see that this is bringing
in $3 million, we are going to funnel

667
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:39,920
some money to the shelter. So it's not
they get it in and spend it on something

668
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:44,880
else. they would start funneling in
maybe not one for one but maybe does

669
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:50,079
have you ever heard that Jan that if we
get more money for any fee or whatever

670
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:54,880
that and it goes into the general fund
they'll see where that money comes from

671
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:59,760
and then they'll send some money that
way because that's where we're getting

672
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:02,880
the money from. Does that make sense?
>> That's what Bob

673
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,760
» It's not what I do.
>> I know. Well, he's not here anymore.

674
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,920
» Yeah. Well, but I'm sure this manager
will do the same thing.

675
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,400
» That's what I've been told, but I don't
know for sure.

676
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:16,880
» I don't.
>> Okay. Now then, um we're going to go on

677
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:21,680
to improve the online information about
dog licensing. And I think that's been I

678
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:26,480
think that's been done. I I didn't have
too much issues when I renewed my dog's

679
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:30,000
license, but you had a little bit of
problems.

680
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,160
» I don't know. I mean, I got to the end.
I put in all the information.

681
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:35,280
» Did it work?
>> And then it said, "We can't do that

682
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,559
right now." And so you still haven't got
your dog's license?

683
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,760
» No, it's going to go out to the shelter
like that.

684
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,880
» Okay.
>> But when I talked to you, you didn't

685
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:46,000
think they had done anything since the
last meeting.

686
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:50,319
» The license.
>> No, I brought up Susan's issue to them

687
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:54,960
in with some other questions and things
like that.

688
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:59,599
» They I brought up Susan's issue to them
um and some other with some other

689
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:04,480
questions and things like that for you
guys and you know, for myself. uh

690
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:09,920
they're, you know, they do a lot of
things. Yeah. So, um they didn't get

691
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,359
back to it. They did say that they um
were having challenges with the software

692
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:18,079
not doing some of the things it wanted.
I don't know if that's specifically

693
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:23,200
around dog licensing or other licenses,
but that they had set set up to have a

694
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:27,359
weekly meeting with the the software
company to get some of these things

695
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:31,889
fixed. Um, so I just I assume you know
when Susan and I talked, we try to

696
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:35,640
figure it out and troubleshoot them
[clears throat] whatever happens.

697
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:42,480
» Okay. So I think uh in the PowerPoint
that the WP supported the idea that they

698
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:48,559
needed to upgrade things and I think
they have I think that it's easier to

699
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:54,319
get to that that part and then u they
wanted to prior it just said you could

700
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:58,640
only do a renewal and not an initial but
now you can do an initial. I've not done

701
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:02,480
an initial yet. I've just done renewals
and then support book licensing uploads

702
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,000
for vets. And I'm wondering if that's
where the Excel file came in from. Do

703
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:10,079
you think? Because see that would be a
bulk. I looked at that because I I did

704
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:15,680
you look at that. I I got it for
spayneuter and I said, "Oh my gosh, this

705
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:19,200
is ridiculous." Um and maybe they didn't
realize how much more work it would be

706
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,760
for the veterinarians to do that than
just the little blue forms. Um and maybe

707
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:28,160
they were thinking that would be a bulk
upload, but when I talked to Stea and I

708
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:31,680
asked her about it, she said, "Well,
that's because then we just have to plug

709
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:35,920
it in because we don't have to do that."
And my hey my my thoughts and I said it

710
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:40,079
to her were so you're asking the
veterinarians to do your work for free

711
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:44,400
and she said kind of yeah and so I did
offer something that's different that I

712
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:49,760
think um I wish licensing was here
because u Olsen they hated just not

713
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,680
doing something but they were not going
to they got upset over that so they quit

714
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,319
collecting the money but what they had
been doing and I don't know how many

715
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,000
other veterinarians are doing this and
maybe they're considered one of the

716
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,760
three doing it at the end of every month
they take the rabies certificate

717
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:07,839
of all the dogs they gave a reg in fact
I'm starting to do that at the clinic at

718
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:10,480
the sputer clinic and end they put them
in a packet and they send them off and

719
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,280
then they can say here these are the
people they haven't spent anything but

720
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,520
you can send out something to say they
need to pay their license and so they're

721
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:20,720
saying that but I thought that it'd be
easier if the veterinarians just sent

722
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:24,640
out the rabies certificate because on
that certificate it's got everything

723
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:29,760
that you need to know about what would
go on except for maybe an email and you

724
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:33,520
could I guess I could add emails and
then if you collected did money, you

725
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:37,040
stamped it, paid. I've got a little paid
marker then how much they paid and then

726
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,559
put those aside and have those that
didn't pay and those that did pay and

727
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,520
send it in that way. But I do believe
that we need to look at incentives for

728
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:48,079
the veterinarians to do something like
that. Okay, incentives to do something

729
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:52,079
because it when we when we researched
this, it said if you don't do it at the

730
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,359
time of of the rabies, it ain't going to
get done. 25% is going to get done. I

731
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:59,280
talked to a friend of mine and she said,
"Oh, I forgot. I've got that license.

732
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:02,319
It's in my drawer, but I I forgot. I I
haven't turned it in yet. And it's

733
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,160
something that they forget the minute
they walk in the door, the license, you

734
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:10,319
know, the RA service, you know, stays
down. So that's what we learned and they

735
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:14,720
said we have to work with, you know, we
have to get something working with the

736
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:18,799
veterinarians. Um,
and they they approved that. And the

737
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:25,119
last three things that we had was
basically incentives to try to get

738
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:28,640
people to license their dog. Okay. And
um the first one was a benefit of one

739
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,680
free ride home. One of the vet, one of
the states had one free ride home.

740
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:35,200
Obviously, they didn't have any free
rides. They were very stingy about that.

741
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:38,160
If the dog was microchipped and
licensed, everything, they would not

742
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,040
pick they picked it up, they check in
their license, sign it, and they give it

743
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:45,200
back to them. There was no charge.
Nothing. No charge on for the first

744
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:51,200
time. But I think that they you said
they kind of already do that, Emily.

745
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:54,799
» Say it one more time. I apologize.
>> Oh, I'm so sorry, Emily. I know.

746
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:59,280
» No, I'm fine. Go ahead.
um that the PD and I know they do that

747
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:02,960
because they'll call us and say hey we
who's the owner of this dog because they

748
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:06,079
didn't register give us and they said
because we want to take it back to them

749
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,520
and not bring it to the shelter. So
you're doing that more often. We are

750
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,520
doing that more often.
>> Pardon?

751
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,079
» We are trying to do that more often.
>> Yeah, but you

752
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,920
» has to be home.
>> What?

753
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,319
» The owner has to be home.
>> Yeah. So you just can't just lose it,

754
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,040
» right?
>> Yeah. But anyhow, and then the last

755
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:27,760
three were uh something that Mike Marlet
looked into and it was really pretty

756
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:31,200
ingenious. Uh and it and in that
particular situation, it did increase

757
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:36,640
the numbers of licensing. That was that
really cool license where they had

758
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:40,880
little coupons that people, you know,
PetSmart and everything would give them

759
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:44,400
for $5 off or whatever. And so it
basically if they got you know how you

760
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,280
get those little coupon cards that you
buy and they've got a whole bunch of

761
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:51,839
things you can you pay $10 for it and
then you get $20 worth of stuff. And

762
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:55,680
they said that they had very good I
don't know which I don't know which

763
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,319
state it was that did that or city that
did that. Mike Mike was the one who

764
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:04,400
picked it up and I can't remember what
it was. But anyhow, um and those I think

765
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:07,760
uh we weren't we didn't know if that
would really go over but we were hoping

766
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:11,359
it would and maybe one day we could
because I think it would be a good

767
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:17,040
incentive for people to have a cool
license for their dog. Did Did you look

768
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:21,200
at the the slides?
>> I Well, I didn't look at this I I

769
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:24,000
watched the presentation.
>> Okay.

770
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:29,599
» And they didn't mention that. Yes. I So
I Okay. sounds, you know, who's going to

771
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:35,119
administer that? They're going to go
around and and solicit

772
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:39,920
» businesses for such a thing.
>> And that was a concern that they had,

773
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:45,119
» but I'm and I'm sitting here going, you
know, I think Smart Pick Wolf Gang would

774
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,559
love to have their names on there with a
little $5 coupon, that little thing that

775
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,079
they could click on, but I don't know.
But they said they didn't have troubles

776
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:56,720
getting people on. So, but it does take
time and we don't have

777
01:02:53,359 --> 01:03:03,520
» so it's front end on the costs and so
someone's got to it's an investment and

778
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:07,760
so and the local government has to buy
into that idea of an investment.

779
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,960
» No, I understand that Mike said that by
the way he's pretty good at it. He said

780
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:14,000
hey I could do the program for you but I
don't think they would want to get in

781
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:18,319
their programming do because I could do
the whole program for you the credit.

782
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:23,839
Okay. So that's what was so those are
the recommendations. So basically,

783
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:29,359
uh, we just had a couple that you didn't
take, I think. Is that right? You So, so

784
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:35,039
the it was pretty much agreed upon by
the PD and the finance and, uh,

785
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:38,480
licensing at that time. Okay. Then it
was presented to the city council. I'm

786
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:45,039
going to correct myself and say August
13th, uh, and 2024, and it passed seven

787
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,240
to zero with the city council. And I
think the city say council people I I

788
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:51,599
listened to that video and they had a
lot of good questions that they were

789
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:56,799
asking you about it. So you know I think
they got involved with I think there's

790
01:03:53,200 --> 01:04:04,319
some ideas. So that is that answers what
what was pro you know what happened with

791
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:08,480
the licensing. Um, and uh,
I

792
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:12,880
since then I've had some communication
with with you, Jan, about the fact that

793
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:16,079
maybe
that the licensing staff is overwhelmed

794
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:18,000
because you've added a whole bunch of
licensing hand. How many did they say

795
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,599
you have?
>> 80

796
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,480
» 80 different licenses. Do all licenses
bring in revenues or do you have

797
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,839
licenses that don't?
>> Most of them do not bring in enough to

798
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:34,559
cover. They bring in they cost money,
but they're they're so low dollar that

799
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:39,520
they don't it's not a money maker. So,
do you do you not agree that if you get

800
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:43,200
$800,000 in dog licenses that that's a
revenue for the city or not? Yeah,

801
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:45,440
» I don't know that it matters what I
think.

802
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:50,400
» Well, I mean I mean I guess does the
city not agree that because that was one

803
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:53,440
of the things is it gives the city
revenues that then they can just offset

804
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,799
some of the
>> I don't know where your 80,000 is. I

805
01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:01,440
said 2.9 million, but go ahead.
>> I I understand, but I know I'm talking

806
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:06,720
about 800,000. Uh the money in like 2010
it was 800,000. I shouldn't say 80,000.

807
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:15,359
800,000. Uh that that should help. Um
anyhow um so we need to make licensing

808
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:18,160
easier for the staff and um I I'm
concerned about what that means. You

809
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:23,520
know, what is it that they're having
troubles? I'm assuming it's input

810
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:28,160
data entry. When I said easier, I didn't
mean I just mean I thought it was a good

811
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,839
time to come up with suggestions.
>> Okay.

812
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:36,240
» And when you come up with them, be
realistic about it that you don't want

813
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,000
like I don't know that the coupon card
is realistic because who is going to go

814
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,960
out?
>> Oh, I'm not going to That's not

815
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:44,000
» So that's what I meant. I don't mean
that the staff never complains.

816
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:50,079
Licensing doesn't complain. They have a
they have a very good department. I just

817
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:55,039
meant I think we did our best to take
your last set of suggestions and we used

818
01:05:52,640 --> 01:06:01,200
a lot of them and I think we are open to
more suggestions but you just have to be

819
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:04,400
careful about not
working within what we have working with

820
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:09,200
the people we have. They're not going to
hire more people for this. I doubt maybe

821
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:14,559
I'm wrong. Sometimes they do things and
I'm surprised but they did buy a new

822
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:17,680
software. They do buy software to help
this stuff happen. So when I said

823
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:22,559
easier, I didn't mean easier on the
people. I just meant realistic.

824
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:26,559
» Okay. Now, is the software that you have
now just for dog licensing? Is it or for

825
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,720
all licensing?
>> They have they bought a subset for dog

826
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,960
licensing.
>> Okay. And have they looked at other

827
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:38,880
subsets because they're still using the
one that I had some complaints about,

828
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:42,720
correct? Or do they did they renew that
or did you look at other softwares?

829
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:48,400
» I don't look at the software. I just
know that they [clears throat] told me

830
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:51,680
that they pay a couple hundred,000 a
year. Were you not needing a couple

831
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:55,520
hundred,000 a year for that
>> for software for that

832
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:58,720
» for the license for the dogs license?
>> Oh, maybe it was 30,000. I'm sorry. I

833
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,839
need to get my numbers. I thought I
emailed you the number. I didn't get

834
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:06,079
that number. I didn't get that number.
>> Okay. I have the number. I see I feel

835
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,280
like they said like they have like they
have a software that's for all of the

836
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,160
licensing
>> and then there's

837
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,799
» but they have to buy a build. Yeah,
that's what I mean by that. They have an

838
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:19,440
add-on
>> for what they need and I'm I should not

839
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:23,520
butcher the numbers.
>> It's not I I think I'm butchering those

840
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:26,000
numbers. I have those numbers. Okay. I
thought I

841
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,960
» 30,000 sounds.
>> Yeah.

842
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:35,520
» And then a update fee every year.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] I love that.

843
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:39,440
» Well, um, so,
uh, I know that when you sent me an

844
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:43,920
email, you suggested that there be a
committee, a subcommittee or a committee

845
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:48,000
that works with Emily and then
eventually with the licensing department

846
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:52,720
to come up with ideas. And I think one
of the things is to come up with ideas

847
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:57,440
with um, for veterinarians to try to get
veterans to to buy into it. I mean, I'll

848
01:07:55,039 --> 01:08:01,440
send one time you said we could send you
some cookies every week.

849
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,280
Remember you said that in September of
September mean you sent some cookies.

850
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,880
» Anyhow, so
>> it's amazing you buy them off

851
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:15,119
veterinarians off of food for
>> buy food. Send them send them something

852
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:20,560
from from firehouse subs or something
and that would be expensive. Anyhow, so

853
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:24,319
um I would like
>> and I know you're going towards the

854
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:28,159
subcommittee, but my question is the
board were really not working on

855
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,960
anything else at the time. I don't see
why we can't do this as a board instead

856
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:36,880
of doing a subcommittee because we would
have public input

857
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:42,480
and
um the research could be divided between

858
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:46,880
the six of us.
>> I mean, we've already got questions. I I

859
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:50,799
asked that to Jan and she said a
committee would be better. I asked her

860
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,000
if it would be getting if she got you
all I don't I mean just you you don't

861
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:58,400
meet often enough. You won't get a lot
done. Yeah.

862
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:01,600
» We also have we also have the authority
to have special meetings.

863
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:03,199
» Yes, I agree. You have this could be
your committee.

864
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,480
» Yeah.
>> I just didn't know if you want to

865
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:09,359
include citizens. Um if that was the
point of

866
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:13,600
» I was told at one point that the
subcommittees have to be public.

867
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:17,920
» Did you? Yeah. So, you've got citizens
there.

868
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:21,920
» Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna counter that
with a motion that we go ahead and do

869
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:28,400
what we asked the last meeting, which is
to convene the original subcommittee

870
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:34,640
and with the addition of Jason as a
veterinarian

871
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:39,279
uh and uh get with Emily because then we
can get it's it's not just us doing it

872
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:41,359
together. It's a as a committee and our
committee.

873
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:45,359
» Well, we have the committees. I mean
Janice said we could be the kinetics.

874
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:50,880
» Well, I'm talking about do you guys all
want to come together once a week?

875
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:55,280
That's what we did once a week and talk
about it. I think it'd be easier with

876
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:59,760
the committee. Uh but it al also the
committee then instead of the board the

877
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:06,000
committee in it and also had citizens on
there. Tony was on there. Um, uh,

878
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:10,960
a veterinarian and I don't know why I
don't I cannot think.

879
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:15,040
» Yeah, Teresa Burks was on there. She
wasn't on the board and then also Chris

880
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:20,719
was on there as a citizen. So, the
committee was did include citizens in in

881
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:24,239
the committee and with Emily on there
and you said that we should not go to

882
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:27,920
the work with the licensing yet, but we
should come up with some ideas. But we

883
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:33,040
we've had to talk with licensing to find
out what they would what they would

884
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:37,199
like. You can submit a list of questions
and we'll get them answered from them.

885
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:42,640
But they really don't have a dog in this
fight, no pun intended. Um they're

886
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:47,840
licensing. They don't owe this animal
services anything more than they don't

887
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:54,440
owe a board. They owe employees. They
owe city council. They have city of

888
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,440
Witchah um

889
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:02,880
people um answers, but they don't
directly answer to a board, a an animal

890
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:06,719
board. So, I think it's better to leave
them out of it and submit a list of

891
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,320
questions
>> uh and and it's up to us. We're supposed

892
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:14,719
to help you and get you the stuff you
need so you can run a committee or or

893
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:18,159
meeting
>> hold our feet to the fire, not theirs.

894
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:21,760
and we'll tell you if they're not
answering and that's not like them.

895
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:24,239
They're going to answer if we I'd like
to go through with the motion that we

896
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:27,920
do.
>> How are you going to publicize this

897
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:35,679
meeting these meetings?
>> Uh it usually was publicized uh at the

898
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:37,679
uh um on the the thing that they said
that we were meeting in such and such a

899
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:41,920
place.
>> But what's that thing

900
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,520
» on the police department thing? And I
don't know how can you how can you make

901
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,920
it?
>> It would be on the website. So if people

902
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:53,280
have put in their notice that they have
open meeting uh request if they want the

903
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:56,880
notice they will get personal notice for
the open meeting but they'll also they

904
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,800
can put it on the website about the
meeting.

905
01:11:58,464 --> 01:12:05,920
[clears throat]
>> I'm going to take the driving of the bus

906
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:10,080
from uh from Ellen as she's been running
you over with it keep saying Jan did

907
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:15,199
this, Jan said this. Let's go with what
Jan said. Let's send her that's what she

908
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:18,400
said. Let's send them the questions and
let them answer the questions. We don't

909
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:20,560
need to have any meetings or any boards
or nothing. Just send You just heard

910
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,360
her.
>> Yeah, I just

911
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,560
» I mean I think we could come up with a
list,

912
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,360
» but we won't be doing No,
>> not tonight. I don't think we can do

913
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:34,800
that.
>> You We still have until seven. You

914
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:41,520
already know what most of the questions
are and we could just send them and

915
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:44,080
» might be the quickest way. Trust me.
I'm in favor of generating list of

916
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,040
questions. I think that's
>> okay.

917
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,719
» That's a a good use of our time that we
have.

918
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:55,679
» So, no second on the on the committee.
>> Okay. Then that motion fails and so

919
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:59,600
we're going to go through and generate a
list of questions, but it's that's going

920
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:02,719
to that's going to make it slower. I
will just tell you right off the bat,

921
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:06,719
it's going to make it slower, I think.
>> How could it be any slower from March

922
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:11,199
until August of another year? A year and
a half. Really? Because you guys had

923
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,159
your committee before I was on.
>> Yeah.

924
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:15,280
» And
>> it was March and it went till the next

925
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:20,719
year.
>> A lot of it didn't go into her. I We

926
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:26,480
can't go any kicking back. We'll just
send her some questions.

927
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:31,440
» Okay. And uh Jason, can can you I would
like to see

928
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:35,520
I would like to see more representation
from veterinarians to give us some ideas

929
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:38,239
how to get off. And I wanted to ask, do
you guys have a local organization of

930
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,000
that?
>> No, it's loose knit.

931
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:43,520
» Okay.
>> It's on Facebook,

932
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:46,239
» but you could at least start maybe with
that.

933
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:52,239
» Yeah, we could start with I I could
start with that. And uh there'll be

934
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:57,760
plenty of opinions. I will
>> Yeah, I mean there's vocal there's a

935
01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:00,080
vocal minority as there always is,
>> right?

936
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:04,239
» And Chris Scar says she could do
something. Does she does she run some

937
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:06,640
sort of a talk or chat or something?
>> Christian Scare.

938
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:09,840
» Yeah.
>> Well, she's she participates in that

939
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:13,360
forum
>> in that form. Okay.

940
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:18,000
» Frequently, I say,
>> could I make a quick comment?

941
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:21,760
» Yes. Now, now we have Let me if Sorry,
I'm going to leave. Sorry, I have to be

942
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:26,239
somewhere. But I'm all for this. I will
help you get the information you need,

943
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:30,000
but I needed one list, not a scattering
of emails from different people asking

944
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:33,679
different questions. If you all would
come up with one list and email it to

945
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:37,120
me, I will get you the answer to
anything that I'm allowed to get you the

946
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:40,560
answer to. If I'm not allowed, I will
give you an answer why you don't get it.

947
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,560
» Okay.
>> And can we whoever sends that, can they

948
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:49,600
send it to all of us so that we're all
on the same page? As long as

949
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,880
we don't email everyone back.
>> Yes.

950
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,760
» Yes.
>> Okay.

951
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:59,199
» Okay. And I'd like to have any input
from the from the public. Okay. Um, I

952
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:04,080
went to my vets's office today and
talked to them about the licensing

953
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:09,280
because in the past I years ago I lived
in the county and anytime I got my dogs

954
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:13,760
vaccinated, they did county license. I
moved to the city and then they did the

955
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:17,440
city license. Well, my dog's not due
until September, so I haven't had it

956
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:22,960
this year. So, I went to ask him, "Are
they still doing that?" And I was told

957
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:26,880
no and I asked why. And I was told and
this is the office manager. I didn't

958
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:30,320
talk with that. And she said, "Well,
part of it is they want us to do the

959
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,840
spreadsheet. I don't have time for a
spreadsheet. They've got all this the

960
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:37,199
spreadsheet that they want me to put all
this information." And she says, "I

961
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:43,920
don't have time for this." Reason number
two is the vet wanted to send those in

962
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:46,880
with a check to pay for them. Licensing
will not accept that. They want it all

963
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,960
online.
>> It's been told. Yeah.

964
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,640
» So, that would be one question.
>> A credit card,

965
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:56,480
» you know.
>> Yes. What's the best way to record the

966
01:15:55,679 --> 01:15:59,920
questions?
>> Yes. Yes. So, um,

967
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:04,159
» right.
>> Yeah.

968
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:08,480
» So, question and and that's something
that you need to check with the

969
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:12,719
veterinarians on that.
>> That's how it was in the old days.

970
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:18,480
» Send a check in.
>> Yeah. They'd send a check. We'd collect

971
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:26,000
the money. Then we'd send we had a pile
of stack of the triplicate forms and you

972
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:31,360
know and they'd send that stack in and
with a check and that's how that worked.

973
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:34,800
And then the county license I mean
hardly anybody paid the county license.

974
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:37,280
» I did.
>> You're a good person though.

975
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:43,360
You know,
>> I will say that when I went to pay that

976
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:47,040
um it was you could use a debit card,
credit card, and supposedly you could do

977
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:50,320
an a
straight out of your checking account,

978
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:55,280
which is what I wanted to do, but it
didn't. I like that. So, actually, I

979
01:16:52,960 --> 01:17:00,400
think that would be another question.
>> Okay. Um,

980
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:07,679
» most clinics have a a credit card that
they could use for such a thing, but not

981
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:13,199
everyone would. Um, there's not a
there's not a uniform way that people

982
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:18,480
get, you know, they get paid
take payments. There are some places

983
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:23,920
that, you know, I still swiping the
swiping the credit card thing, you know,

984
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:27,520
so that makes it tough for
some of the less progressive

985
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:31,280
veterinarians to pay.
>> I mean, maybe we don't even worry about

986
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:35,040
them. It's the the ones that are up with
technology.

987
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:39,199
» Okay. So, the question to ask would be
uh what other ways can uh can the

988
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:44,320
veterinarians pay for the
>> you have to ask would be Go ahead.

989
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:47,760
» You know, willing would you be willing
Okay.

990
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:52,800
» To reconsider
being the collection agency.

991
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:57,120
» Well, that's the question for the vets.
I think we're trying to collect

992
01:17:54,239 --> 01:18:00,960
questions, but
okay. That's a question that I would

993
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:04,000
have
>> because first we got to find out if they

994
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:07,040
are willing to do anything.
>> If licensing says no, then it doesn't

995
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,679
matter what.
>> Right.

996
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:14,080
» Right. full license
>> because the vets say no then it

997
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:17,360
» because it used to be they you you paid
your bill they sent it they handed you

998
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:22,560
the thing you wrote out a check and you
mailed it and I sometimes I would write

999
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,560
them a check and you just stuck it in an
envelope right there and it was mailed

1000
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:29,520
to the city
>> let let if let's spitball is what we're

1001
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:33,760
doing maybe six or eight good questions
let's not give them 20 or 30 but hold on

1002
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:38,320
a second Helen please um
>> we have another Trish wants to come and

1003
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,719
speak.
>> I guess you know that

1004
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:45,040
» trying to recognize me, George.
>> Yes, I've been trying to say

1005
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:49,199
» Yeah, I wanted them to be able to
>> Anyone else that would like to speak?

1006
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:54,080
Yes, Trish. Yes. Um, and you guys got an
email of what I was going to say, so I

1007
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:56,159
don't I sent it through the board email.
>> Read it. Read it so everyone can.

1008
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:00,000
» I don't need to [clears throat] read it,
but I'll recap the important parts in a

1009
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,560
conversational way because that's
better.

1010
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:08,880
» Okay. I don't have the email.
>> Well, that way we'll I can I can send it

1011
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:15,120
to you different. Um, but basically I'm
here because I I haven't always lived in

1012
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:19,840
Witchah and I've been surprised that it
the collecting the license didn't happen

1013
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:24,960
at the veterinarian. And I think
considering the fact that 16 years ago

1014
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:31,520
we had 40,000 licenses that were
collected and we've made $800,000 as a

1015
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:37,600
city. Um, then now we're talking 8,000
licenses a year. That's that's a

1016
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:42,080
significant problem in process and and
you're asking questions to figure out

1017
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:47,120
how to fix those processes and I think
that's exactly what is needed but it's

1018
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:51,679
also needed to have the citizen input to
push the getting the answers. We we all

1019
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:56,159
have to be engaged in talking to our
city council people so that it becomes

1020
01:19:53,280 --> 01:20:00,719
something more important to them to get
pushed through. Um, and I think when

1021
01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:05,040
I've been talking to my veterinarian and
to other veterinarians, one of the

1022
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:10,719
things is is they've told me about the
spreadsheet, which is just undoable.

1023
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:15,280
Um, and then [clears throat] also I
think it's unrealistic and unfair for us

1024
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:18,719
as a as a community to ask veterinarians
to do something that takes their

1025
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:22,880
people's time and effort and energy
without paying them for it. So, I really

1026
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:27,600
think it's important if we're asking
veterinarians to collect licenses for

1027
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:34,320
the city, which is going to mean a
substantial revenue stream, whether it's

1028
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:39,360
2.9 million, at least 800,000,
um then then we should be giving them, I

1029
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:44,640
suggest just to chuck a number out
there, $2 per license. That seems like a

1030
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:49,679
reasonable not nothing fee. something
that that could compensate for hopefully

1031
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:56,320
it's not taking more than 10 minutes per
license uh in doing now maybe I'm wrong

1032
01:20:53,199 --> 01:21:00,560
I I'm not totally knowledgeable so but
just saying if we need to be able to

1033
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:05,040
compensate for the work that they're
doing on the city's behalf and on our

1034
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:10,880
citizens behalf because as I'm also
talking to my animal friendly friends

1035
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:14,159
the people that I know that are picking
up strays around town I mean they you

1036
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:18,960
know people that are just really
engaged. I talked to my one friend and

1037
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:24,239
she's like, "Does does the city do
licenses? This is an animalged person

1038
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:28,480
who doesn't know that the city does
licenses." And and [clears throat] she

1039
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:34,239
goes, "Well, why why would you do
licenses, Trish?" And I said, "Well,

1040
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:39,360
so that you can make sure that rabies
vaccines are done. So that you can help

1041
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:44,320
to fund the animal services that the
city does." And to your point and your I

1042
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:49,440
think everybody's point, I think it's
important in the marketing campaign that

1043
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:55,360
the city might do that we do change how
we I know nobody likes designating

1044
01:21:53,040 --> 01:22:02,239
dollars because it makes budgeting
harder, but if we can say 50% of all

1045
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:07,600
licensing goes specifically to animal
related issues in Witchah, then you're

1046
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:11,120
what am I paying for? You're paying for
the shelter. You're paying for

1047
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:15,280
spayneuter clinics. You're paying for
animal control officers. That's part of

1048
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:18,960
that marketing piece and that buy in.
What What am I getting with this 15

1049
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:24,560
bucks? What am I What am I getting?
>> People would be willing to pay

1050
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:27,360
» if they knew that that money was going
towards

1051
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,280
» all of this.
>> I agree because people hear the general

1052
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,199
fund and although it comes out of the
general fund, all they hear is general

1053
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,239
fund
>> and they don't know how much of that

1054
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:39,840
goes%.
Well, because when I was talking to

1055
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:45,199
Dalton this afternoon, I said because I
asked him about um the animal shelter in

1056
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:48,480
general and he he said, "I just got it.
It's 900 pages and I haven't started

1057
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,480
reading it yet."
>> The the budget.

1058
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:56,159
» Oh, yeah.
>> So, um he will let me know.

1059
01:22:53,920 --> 01:23:00,880
» Well, and and I think that it help
>> He did say he did say that it he saw

1060
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:05,280
that it has an increase. So
>> I I think it does make a significant

1061
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:08,560
difference to the population, especially
considering that all the conversations

1062
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:14,800
we're having around trust and
transparency that we do something that

1063
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:20,080
is so transparent as to say licensing
income 50% equals animal issues. Bing

1064
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:25,360
bing bing bing, right? That's something
very clear line because when it goes all

1065
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:32,000
into the general fund then it becomes a
polit not a bad word but a political

1066
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:36,880
decision as to what gets spent where and
if the public isn't engaged in speaking

1067
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:42,800
loudly and forcefully for animals and
the spending therein then that may not

1068
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:49,120
get funded in that year right something
else may be taking priority and if we

1069
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:53,120
can if we can concrete ensure a certain
certain percentage of that licensing.

1070
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:57,440
Again, it goes to the marketing. People
know that their money is going where

1071
01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:00,639
they care about. It's doing something
for them in their community. They're

1072
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:06,239
sure of it. Um,
>> it's also education, which is one of our

1073
01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:10,320
» mandates.
>> Mandate. Well, what we're on. So,

1074
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:13,760
» and what else, Trey?
>> So, I'm just going to recap with the

1075
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,400
three things that I was asking. And
again, I'll get the email to you and all

1076
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,440
the
>> It went to spam.

1077
01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:22,000
» Oh, okay. Great. Well, I mean, not
whatever, you know.

1078
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,440
» Yes.
>> Um, partner with veterinarians to

1079
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:29,760
collect license fees at the time of
rabies vaccination. I don't if

1080
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:34,880
veterinarians are like my husband, you
don't tell them to do it. [laughter] You

1081
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:40,239
ask them nicely and you have incentive
for why they could partner with the city

1082
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:44,800
to do it. A $2 per license uh fee for
them that they get to keep. Um,

1083
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:49,120
compensate clin modestly. $2 per license
to cover the time and encourage

1084
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:53,040
participation. modernize and adequately
staff the licensing system so

1085
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:56,719
veterinarians and residents can submit
information quickly and efficiently. And

1086
01:24:55,360 --> 01:25:01,199
it sounds like they're already doing
weekly conversations with the with the

1087
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:05,600
the
coders with the programmers, right?

1088
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:10,400
They're working on it. And sometimes we
can't just say get it done and it gets

1089
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:14,719
done. It's in a process. Okay, we get
that. But we also have to say, but we

1090
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:20,000
need to make sure the process works
because the QR code, my vet had a QR

1091
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:25,760
code on the wall. I scanned the QR code.
It was it was not active. [laughter]

1092
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:30,800
So, you know, it Yeah, it's one of those
things that I have tried to license my

1093
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:36,239
dog before and ran into a dead end. And
so, we're all very busy. When we get

1094
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:40,960
home, the piece of paper goes onto the
pile of to-dos and the urgent things

1095
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:47,360
stay at the top. and everything else
floats down. And so I think it's very

1096
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:52,480
obviously that's happening. 40,000
to 8,000.

1097
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:58,320
That's that's an issue. That's something
that has to be corrected. And and it's

1098
01:25:55,440 --> 01:26:03,280
not because people love Witchah less or
their animals less. It's a process

1099
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:08,000
issue. And that's where you as a board
are thankfully asking great questions

1100
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:12,320
that can get to what those process
issues are so we can get them fixed and

1101
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,960
we can [clears throat] get back to
80,000 licenses because from what I

1102
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:22,480
understand there's probably over a
100,000 animals in dogs in Witchah that

1103
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:27,199
could be licensed and if we're capturing
80 that's much more realistic. Um, and I

1104
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:32,800
think we could do that. And then we're
getting into the millions of dollars in

1105
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:36,320
revenue that, you know, people can
actually support spay and neuter clinics

1106
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:40,159
so that we don't have as many stray dogs
and our shelters aren't overrun and all

1107
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:45,679
the things. So thank you for your time
and thank you sincerely for your service

1108
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:53,040
on this very important issue because
people don't come and

1109
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:57,520
engage and serve the way you guys do um
in very many aspects and I you guys

1110
01:26:55,440 --> 01:27:02,480
thank you very much for what you do.
>> Yes, George,

1111
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:07,760
» when you said $2, I saw uh Jason like
two and if it did take 10 minutes six

1112
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:13,440
times two is 12. I pay my people more
than $12 an hour. So maybe three might

1113
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:16,719
be a better number because that's $18 an
hour. I bet his

1114
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,280
» that's a veterinarian conversation and
and I think the city should be open to

1115
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:25,440
that.
>> Is it responsibility or are you giving a

1116
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:28,320
convenience fee to the pet owner? You
don't have to go home and do this.

1117
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:33,760
» That's what I was thinking about.
>> And so I think that's a debate at some

1118
01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:39,040
point. I would like to know um can you
send those of us that are not vets a

1119
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:43,040
copy of this spreadsheet that
spreadsheet that they want you to

1120
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:45,520
» I can I can print it out. Well, I'll
try. Yeah, I'll just send I'll just send

1121
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:50,960
it to you. I'll send you what they sent
to you. Okay. You look at that. Now, my

1122
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:54,480
thought is okay. Um Chris Gar said,
"Well, I don't want to be paid to do

1123
01:27:52,480 --> 01:28:00,400
this. I'll donate it back in there." So,
there are some vets who just wait just

1124
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:05,840
wait. Just wait. Just wait. So I think
that I think that we need to talk to the

1125
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:11,040
veterinarians. These are things that we
can ask the license committee. But we

1126
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:15,360
also we can't do anything even until we
get a feeler on the veterary clinics.

1127
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:19,040
And one of the police I think it was um
so I can't think of who it was that told

1128
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:22,800
me he said you know a lot of veterary
clinics are not owned by corporates and

1129
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:25,760
corporates have no buy in and are they
going to be the ones who said we're not

1130
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:30,080
going to do that? You know she said
>> then we need to get the education out

1131
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:34,880
there so that their clients say okay I
want this convenience.

1132
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:40,480
Well, it's we need we need to talk to
the veterinarians. And so this is where

1133
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:44,560
this is where maybe um you and I can get
together and figure out what we can send

1134
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:50,639
out to the veterinarians. Okay.
>> Do you have like a list of all local

1135
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:54,320
» Well, oh yeah, let's go to the yellow
pages, right?

1136
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:57,840
» Yeah. No, I can put a list together. But
so that's something that we can do in

1137
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:01,679
addition to getting questions for them.
But

1138
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:05,280
» I want right now
I want to mention right now that I think

1139
01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:10,239
that we should have a special meeting
over this and have a special meeting for

1140
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:13,600
just discussion of licensing and let the
public know that can come in and talk

1141
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,520
about it.
>> I think we need some answers first.

1142
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:21,679
» Well, I think that we're going to get
some answers and some more questions if

1143
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:26,320
the if we have more people right that
are there. But I think maybe

1144
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:30,960
» it will it's also be another time for us
to talk about it because we cannot just

1145
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:34,159
we we're going to have to have a meeting
to talk about it.

1146
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:38,000
» Well, and hopefully like say we do that
in 30 days or whatever or whatever.

1147
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,320
» Well, I was thinking
>> um

1148
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:47,760
» more like in two three weeks.
>> Okay. But hopefully we'll have answers

1149
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:51,840
back from the licensing and
you might at least have some feedback

1150
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:56,159
from the vets.
>> Well, I don't I don't think that I think

1151
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:58,480
that we should go back and think about
what questions we have

1152
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:03,360
» we do because that
>> and then come back and then come back in

1153
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:06,719
a couple weeks and and have a I hate to
say this a special meeting. It'll be

1154
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:10,080
like instead of a subcommittee just
going to be the whole board, okay? where

1155
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:13,600
we can have it listed that we're gonna
be discussing licensing and people can

1156
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:18,639
listen to what we're talking about and
maybe we can have some veterinarians.

1157
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:22,159
» Let's talk to Emily and see if we can
use that room right there, you know,

1158
01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:24,800
that little conference room
>> and then they can go do their little

1159
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,880
tour and say,
>> "No, no, because you have to be able to

1160
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,600
let the public come and that's not
enough place for the public." Okay. So,

1161
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:36,800
that would not work.
>> 50's public. How many more are coming?

1162
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,600
20. I I do want to work on the question
because we've only got

1163
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:45,760
» read back the questions that you wrote.
>> Okay. So far I just have um licensing

1164
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:50,960
accepting checks or credit card a
payments and what other ways can people

1165
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:56,320
or what are the ways people can pay? Are
they going to a cashless? That's really

1166
01:30:54,800 --> 01:31:00,320
um
and then would you well the vets that

1167
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:04,480
was a question for the vets. So that's
really the only thing is payment. That's

1168
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,280
only that's the only question I have. So
far

1169
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,920
» I know
>> are same.

1170
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,639
» Okay. And you have something you would
like.

1171
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:14,639
» Quick comment. Vince Hancock. I
volunteer on Wednesday mornings at a

1172
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:19,360
local senior center. I work with seniors
in technology. And as arguably the

1173
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:24,400
fourth youngest person in this room, we
have a lot of seniors that like to have

1174
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:30,800
options in payment. Meaning some of us
still remember that in God you trust,

1175
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:35,199
all others pay cash. So, while I
understand our governments really love

1176
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:39,199
to move to a cashless society because it
makes things easier for them, a lot of

1177
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:44,159
us seniors say, "Hey, in fact, a lot of
the ones I work with say, I want a paper

1178
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:48,000
invoice. Thank you." And others say,
"Text it or email it." But they want the

1179
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:52,560
choice to be able to do that. And I
think it's appropriate for the citizens

1180
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:58,000
to push back to say electronic options
are good, but when you take away the

1181
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:02,080
older paper options of I would like to
pay in cash, I would like to pay with

1182
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:06,960
check. I would like a paper invoice. I'm
even encouraging my seniors, if your

1183
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:12,719
business, like say your utility business
wants to charge you a dollar a month for

1184
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:18,080
getting a stamped envelope with a paper
invoice, that's a reasonable recovery of

1185
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:23,840
their cost. But you just I I've had one
company, one utility company say, "Uh,

1186
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:26,239
we will not give you uh paper invoices,
otherwise we're going to charge you $20

1187
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,480
a month."
>> Really?

1188
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:33,600
» They're out of town, but still.
>> Now, now I will say that when I talked

1189
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:38,560
to um
Alejandra with licensing, she kept

1190
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,360
telling me that people are mailing in
their licensing, and if they're mailing

1191
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:44,480
in their licensing, they've got to be
paid with ship,

1192
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:47,679
» right? So, I'm not quite sure that
that's not happening.

1193
01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:49,920
» And that would be one of our questions
in

1194
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:53,120
» from the vet. And another
>> Oh, they would accept from the vets.

1195
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:57,840
Okay. I think from the people his check,
>> they would not accept his.

1196
01:32:55,360 --> 01:33:05,040
» Um, one other thing is I did ask the
question, would a $2 fee from the city

1197
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:09,760
help you to offset your cost? Would you
be willing to do licensing then? And she

1198
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:14,000
said, probably not. I don't have the
time. And they're saying too they can't

1199
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,800
hire people to work in their office.
They've only got two people in their

1200
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:21,760
office. They usually have four.
>> Okay. I'm gonna for Spain Kansas, we're

1201
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:26,239
going to start except we're going to
start uh you know paying although we

1202
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:29,760
have the poorest of the poor who are
going to say we only paid $50 for the

1203
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:35,920
surgery and now you're going to pay
charge me $15 for a license. But we have

1204
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:41,360
some people that would. Okay. But um um
>> so what other question? I just I know

1205
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:45,199
» just wait. I just wait. I think and I
want to just something that we can that

1206
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:49,520
Jason you and I and some other vets can
talk about or you know you can visit is

1207
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:55,199
is that if you just print off which is
what Olsson does the rabies certificate

1208
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:58,800
and they you stamp it. Do you still have
a stamp that you stamp or did you not

1209
01:33:57,199 --> 01:34:03,360
did you not get one of those? I was
we're number 61 as a vendor.

1210
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:08,080
» I'm just a veterinarian. I don't Brenda.
>> It's It's not your Yeah, we need to have

1211
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:11,920
» my wife who does that and she's she's
like, "Who's got time for this? Who's

1212
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,560
got
>> Okay. Well,

1213
01:34:12,639 --> 01:34:18,960
» because we don't we have hard enough
time getting the stuff done that we need

1214
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:24,320
to get done for the business.
>> And it is it is hard to do. And now we

1215
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:28,880
it's it's I mean I hate to be that
devil's advocate because I'm I have to

1216
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:35,360
pay for all this food, but I got a
business to run and it's like you you

1217
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:39,760
want me to do what? This is my wife
talking. She's a veterinarian, too.

1218
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:43,199
» She's you want me to do you want you
want us to do this? Oh, spreadsheets.

1219
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,120
Oh, my head's going.
>> Oh, that was the worst thing they ever

1220
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:51,280
did. But if all you do is I printed off,
in fact, I started printing off three

1221
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:56,560
baby certificates. And maybe it's not
that hard, but when you add, it's a

1222
01:34:54,159 --> 01:35:01,360
mental hurdle, I guess. And then there
are some that like Kristen Scare, she is

1223
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:06,480
a public service-minded person. She got
that from her dad. But this is a new day

1224
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:10,560
and there's not that many people that
have a

1225
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:15,440
public service. And that extends into
the professional realm, too. Even though

1226
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:19,760
And it's like we as veterinarians, we
give, we give, we give. And now you're

1227
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:23,679
asking me to give some more. So that's
this is going to be something that that

1228
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:26,000
maybe you and I can work with and come
up with something with there. Yes,

1229
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:30,960
Trish.
>> So that I want to get Nancy is rightly

1230
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:34,080
so trying to get to questions and I
appreciate that, but I think that's one

1231
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:38,239
of the questions that really is key to
ask

1232
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:47,199
» because licensing needs to be asked. How
can we make the information system from

1233
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:51,040
veterinarians to you easy and seamless?
you know where we're like scanning the

1234
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:56,000
RA they send in the RA what they're
already doing the radius certificate

1235
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:58,800
scanning those in and that is callulling
the I mean how can we make it so easy

1236
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:03,040
it's not
>> well first we're going to assume that

1237
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,520
the veterinarians will have buy in
>> sure

1238
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:08,159
» so you have to market to them too not
only just the general public

1239
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:10,719
» yes sir
>> I mean maybe even more so

1240
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:15,120
» correct
>> so so I think what we need to do is

1241
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:20,400
visit with the veterinarians and find
out who's in favor who's going to say no

1242
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:24,800
and who would and maybe they have some
ideas and then then present that at the

1243
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:28,880
meeting and say these are some ideas
that the veterinarian has given us will

1244
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:32,560
you accept them okay what can you work
with us

1245
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:37,040
» along with that question how can we make
it easier for vets to submit info I

1246
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:44,080
think yes
>> and then also to say to see can you send

1247
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:48,320
us the
the procedures you have now So that

1248
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:52,800
» I'm gonna send out to you guys. Can you
>> I'm gonna send out the the the Excel

1249
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:56,000
file I was ask to fill out. Okay. Yeah.
Did you look at that? Did your wife look

1250
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:58,800
at that Excel file?
>> No.

1251
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,960
» An Excel file. It would be nice if you
>> She looked at that.

1252
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:04,239
» It's an Excel file.
>> But it would be nice if they they gave

1253
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:07,760
you something that you've already got
this information and then downloaded.

1254
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:10,960
» They they gave us something, but I'll
just tell you what. I'll send it out. I

1255
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,119
almost did that and but I said, "Well,
anyway, I'll send it to you guys in a

1256
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:16,960
couple."
>> All right. So, I have two questions so

1257
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:21,600
far. Um I think I think maybe there was
a question that we might have gotten

1258
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:28,239
lost which is what is the I would like
to know what is the breakdown of uh

1259
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:31,760
people using the system to pay and
people paying by check

1260
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:35,440
» or people mailing in their
>> Okay. So what is breakdown? Okay. So I'm

1261
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:39,520
going to say
>> so how are people engaged with the

1262
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:43,840
licensing system?
>> How are they getting their payments

1263
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:47,600
made? Right. a check in the mail come
into

1264
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:52,719
» and then also how many vets how many are
received by vets because you still have

1265
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:55,520
» well I know but how many licenses was it
100 licenses was it 50

1266
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,880
» oh you mean
>> you know I don't and I don't know if

1267
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:03,440
they can numbers
>> right received

1268
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:09,119
» and
I would also like to ask them how

1269
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:12,639
manyear licenses have they come have
they in fact I've already asked them I

1270
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:16,639
think didn't you Ask them that, Emily.
That was one of the questions. How many

1271
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:18,560
three-year licenses have they taken in
and how are they

1272
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,760
» two year, two years?
>> Or the two one, two or three years.

1273
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:24,719
Break down how many licenses are one
year, two year, or three year. And I

1274
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:27,280
asked him, "Why would you do two year?"
And she said, "Because we have some

1275
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:31,440
people that come in from another city
that has a three-year license. They've

1276
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:34,080
already paid for the one year from them.
And so, they're only going to be for two

1277
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:37,679
years, so they only pay for two years."
And so, that's why they have one, two,

1278
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:42,719
and three tiered situation.
>> I got a question for Jason real quick.

1279
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:50,560
Get your crystal ball out. So, let's say
there's 140,000 dogs in Witchah.

1280
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:55,360
Not how many of them are going to a vet?
Not forget the license for a second. How

1281
01:38:52,719 --> 01:39:00,239
many would you say percentage of those?
>> Huh? Less than a half round half. So,

1282
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:06,320
70. So, [clears throat] 70,000. So, the
rest are just not not going to a vet.

1283
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:10,320
» And that I think too comes down to
>> they're going to us for emergency stuff.

1284
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:14,880
But as far as
>> not for the rabies shot, no. Ain't

1285
01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:20,239
happen. So what half? Okay.
>> Well, and also we do have an awful lot

1286
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:23,840
of clinics do give free rabies now. We'd
have to engage in them to see how they

1287
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:27,920
could get that done because we just But
let's go back to what what we're going

1288
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:32,239
to ask to I that's why I think that's
why I think that we should because I've

1289
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:36,320
got to go on to finish this thing up and
poor Emily sitting there thinking please

1290
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:41,119
Ellen make it a short meeting. I think
that we need to have another meeting. uh

1291
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:45,679
to just talk about the licensing and
have it be an open meeting and invite

1292
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:52,320
some of the practice managers maybe to
come and and uh and give their input.

1293
01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:56,960
» Maybe we need to give more time to
prepare for that than two weeks.

1294
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:59,440
» Well, I think I say we'll do
>> we can throw it out there.

1295
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:02,159
» We [clears throat] can do it for three
weeks, not two weeks. We can do it in

1296
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:03,600
three weeks. Have a meeting in three
weeks.

1297
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:07,760
» Bring cookies.
>> Bring cookies. I'll bring food.

1298
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:12,239
» I'll bring food. You're a good cook. you
can bring something. Um,

1299
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:15,600
and I know that it's hard on people to
to do this, but I think if that's how

1300
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:18,400
you're going to do that, we're going to
have to act like that. I mean, we can't

1301
01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:23,199
just say, "Well, let's all get
together." And I think we would have a

1302
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:26,000
serious issue with co with coma being,
you know, sitting in this stuff because

1303
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:30,239
right now we're able to talk back and
forth. We can't do that on the internet.

1304
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:34,080
We cannot do that on email. And so I
think we just [clears throat] have to

1305
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:37,920
have a meeting and uh and invite the
people that are interested with some

1306
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:41,360
ideas and in three weeks do you think we
could talk within

1307
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:45,520
» only try?
>> Okay. We could put out a How about if I

1308
01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:49,520
generate a survey
>> and how about if I generate a survey and

1309
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:51,360
send it to you and have you look at it
and then

1310
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,040
» I'll put my name on.
>> Don't put your name on it.

1311
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:56,400
» I will put my name.
>> You'll put your name on. Okay. Good.

1312
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:57,760
We'll generate a survey. Okay. To send
out.

1313
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:00,960
» Put my name on.
>> And to put your name on.

1314
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:04,080
» Okay. Question number five is several
people have said no reminders are being

1315
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:08,239
sent out
>> and that's true.

1316
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:13,920
» I I have to say so who gets the
reminders? Do you opt in for a reminder

1317
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,639
like like you opted in? Right.
>> Right.

1318
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:17,679
» So
>> did you get it?

1319
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,080
» Well, I don't know because I just did it
till next year.

1320
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,679
» And this one is actually I did a two
years. So I'm not going to know for two

1321
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:24,480
years.
>> Why would you opt in? It should be it

1322
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:27,199
shouldn't have opted.
>> Agreed. Agreed. But we if we find out

1323
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:31,840
even
>> I have a big suspicion on how that's not

1324
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:37,199
happening for most people. We've got
last year's 8,000 um things and this

1325
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:43,119
year's 8,000 things or slated to be if
it trend whatever. I think they're only

1326
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:47,040
doing people who did license last year.
So all the people who did, you know,

1327
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:50,719
that because it's a process thing and
they're not going to waste money sending

1328
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:54,960
mail because pit dogs died and so they
don't want to send out to people five

1329
01:41:52,719 --> 01:42:00,239
years ago who haven't sent in a license.
But if licenses have gone down so much

1330
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:04,080
that they're only sending it to the
hardcore I'm going to give you my money

1331
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:09,040
if I have to shove it down your throat
people. Then those are only the people

1332
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:14,000
who are getting reminders anymore and
that's why nobody's seeing reminders.

1333
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:17,040
It's a it's a process issue and so
they're sending them

1334
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:20,880
» if they were if we're going to ask the
veterinarians how many get reminders.

1335
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:23,440
How many of their their clients get I
don't believe that they're sending them

1336
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,119
out. I hate to say this,
>> but I don't believe they're sending them

1337
01:42:24,639 --> 01:42:28,560
out.
>> And if your dog died, is there and you

1338
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:32,880
get a reminder?
>> Is there a way to on there it says the

1339
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:35,840
dog has been deceased? Yes. Okay. Yes,
>> it has. Yes,

1340
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:38,239
» it's supposed to be on the reminder.
>> It used to be there.

1341
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:44,000
» Okay.
inter led with that she is the president

1342
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:49,040
of when which is the independent
neighborhoods for all of Witchah and she

1343
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:53,679
has a page and she could get that
information out for us some

1344
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:58,159
» plus we've got um College Hills the
neighborhood that I live in and we've

1345
01:42:55,600 --> 01:43:03,119
got the big um thing at the pool coming
up and why can't we talk to people have

1346
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:07,600
people come with little things saying
hey did you remember we actually do have

1347
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:10,880
licensing and here's what it goes four
and

1348
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:16,960
» I've actually been invited to a
neighborhood association in district 4

1349
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:22,560
to to kind of update because they've
never really been talked to about even

1350
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:28,960
all the changes and so uh we're going to
be scheduling that and before and I I I

1351
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:32,800
speak at the DAB and this is to you guys
about every two or three months an

1352
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:39,199
update at the district advisory board
what's going on and that would once we

1353
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:44,159
kind of have some ideas, I would really
encourage to do that. And then when I

1354
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:49,040
first got on, I did email
um everyone who had a neighborhood

1355
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:54,000
association or an HOA and I actually got
invited to a couple of events to hand

1356
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:58,560
out uh information and I got pamphlets
from the shelter and and so we're

1357
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:04,719
supposed to be doing some education and
and I would encourage

1358
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:08,800
» and and we can once we get that
>> Where is that? Oh, I'm sorry. So

1359
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,159
» off topic.
>> What's that?

1360
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:13,119
» The flyer.
>> The flyer.

1361
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:15,600
» Oh, flyer. Oh, for this.
>> Well, no,

1362
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:18,800
» it does talk about licensing though.
Talks about just what we

1363
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,320
» Does talk about anything about license?
I don't

1364
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:23,199
» I don't think it did.
>> I don't know.

1365
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:27,360
» I'd have to go look, but and and I know
that we're going to update some of those

1366
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:32,560
flyers
>> and flyers or there's a flyer marketing

1367
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:35,920
has a flyer in our lobby just for
license

1368
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:39,440
» for licensing. Can you send that to us?
We only have dog license. Well, you mean

1369
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:43,119
like not other random city licenses,
>> but 80 licenses. So, is there one just

1370
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:43,840
for dog license?
>> Yeah.

1371
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:48,320
» Cool.
>> Can you send could do email copy that

1372
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:52,639
email? Sure.
>> Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go

1373
01:44:50,639 --> 01:44:56,320
ahead because we do have so getting kind
of close and I'm just going like this.

1374
01:44:54,800 --> 01:45:00,080
Um,
no, that's I'm not I'm just I'm just

1375
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:06,080
kidding. You weren't doing that. Um,
then can I make a motion that we agree

1376
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:10,719
to meet in three weeks?
We have to find out the time and the

1377
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:17,920
place
and it has to be on I can well Stephanie

1378
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:23,840
she's not with us anymore. Stephanie can
send out something uh

1379
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:28,080
whatever or else I'll do it until next
meeting. I don't know. But we do need to

1380
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:30,719
we you know this has been going on too
long and we need to start looking at it

1381
01:45:30,648 --> 01:45:34,159
[clears throat]
>> and uh this is a good good thing that's

1382
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:39,280
come up here.
>> Three weeks would be August 5th.

1383
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:42,320
» I mean if we could make it exactly
halfway in between or okay that would be

1384
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,159
good.
>> July and September.

1385
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:48,400
» Okay.
>> Halfway in between September.

1386
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:52,000
» That would be the n Whoops.
>> That'd be four weeks.

1387
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:54,800
» That' be the 12th. And by that time,
maybe we would have time to to really do

1388
01:45:54,000 --> 01:46:00,040
a good show.
>> Come up with something a draft and then

1389
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:00,040
Okay.

1390
01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:05,040
» And I'm gonna send you guys what they
sent us. And I think you're going to be

1391
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:08,880
shocked.
>> Well,

1392
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:13,040
they're going to be shocked with with
what they sent to the veterinarians

1393
01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:16,719
because there's two things that you got
to do and you got to do one then you got

1394
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:20,400
to go into another thing. You got to
import into subject. It's a mess.

1395
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:25,920
» Okay. There's eight Wednesdays between
this meeting and the next.

1396
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:31,040
» So it would be it so we'd either do it
the 12th or the 19th would either be the

1397
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:32,080
fourth or fifth week.
>> Uh

1398
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:36,800
» 12th
>> 12th.

1399
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:43,840
» Okay. Uh and so we'll do the we'll do
the 12th and see. Um I'll send out

1400
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:47,440
» Well, we can What's What do you guys I
don't need to send out I think because

1401
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:51,520
we've got everyone but Stephanie here.
Yeah, you just send it. We Well, send it

1402
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:57,840
to me and then you can send it to
everybody else too as a CC.

1403
01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:01,400
» Okay. CC survey.
>> No, no, no.

1404
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:08,960
» Talking points for veterinarians.
>> Oh, I Yes, I can do that.

1405
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:16,320
» Okay. So,
>> so we have five questions. I think

1406
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:18,159
» we have five questions for them.
Yeah, that was it.

1407
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:23,199
» Licensing.
>> I have licensing the the money, how

1408
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:29,360
they're paying payment options, which
covers quite a bit of um how can we make

1409
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:33,679
it easier for the vets to submit info
the break. Okay, that's question number

1410
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:39,760
three is the breakdown um between
digital checks in the mail um or how

1411
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:43,920
many came through the vets. And then
question number four is how many one,

1412
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:48,400
two, and threeear licenses. And then
number five is on the reminders.

1413
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:53,440
» Okay. Well, I would do a number six one.
I'm gonna say what do they think would

1414
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:54,560
be could would help them. So I would
suggest

1415
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,679
» Okay.
>> What could you what information could

1416
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:59,920
you give us that would make your job
easier? Okay. So that would be this the

1417
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:04,000
next one.
>> Can I can I recommend just I'm not

1418
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:10,080
trying to change but no it's what you're
wanting to ask which is how how can what

1419
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:13,920
are your recommendations for getting
licenses back to the 40,000 license

1420
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:17,920
level.
>> That's that's

1421
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:21,280
not the quite that's not the
>> Can you repeat what you said?

1422
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:26,320
» Okay. Say what would make
>> what would make their job easier to get

1423
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:30,000
this taken care of and then
>> participation. Yeah. Awesome.

1424
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,719
» And then they could say, "What do they
recommend we do too?" So that would be

1425
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:38,000
two different questions.
>> Well, I'm my question is what what do

1426
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:40,800
they think they can do?
>> Yes.

1427
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:41,760
» In their changing in their process to
get

1428
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:44,719
» Yeah.
>> I mean, they know their process. They

1429
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:51,440
know
>> 40,000 is to 8,000 is a huge change.

1430
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:56,560
What they can give suggestions to you
guys and how they think they can get

1431
01:48:53,360 --> 01:49:01,920
back up to 40,000. I would think they're
professionals. Let them problem solve.

1432
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:06,080
» Okay. So, the problem that we have now
is that we've got some questions.

1433
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:11,119
Hopefully, you can type them up and send
them out to everybody, but we cannot

1434
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:14,560
talk about it. Okay. Because we cannot
do anything. I mean, we can talk three

1435
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:20,239
and three,
>> but we're can we can talk, but but so

1436
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:25,040
that's why we need to have a committee
because we can't do this. We cannot do

1437
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:27,840
this by the by email. We can't because
it's going to end up getting us in

1438
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:31,199
trouble because people are going to be
saying, "What about this? What about

1439
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:35,199
this?" And all a sudden we have
discussion over not the same questions,

1440
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:40,880
but we have a discussion over the same
agenda item. Okay.

1441
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:46,960
» If we get the answers [clears throat]
>> and one of us has questions on the

1442
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:50,159
answer, we could always send it to Emily
>> and she can send it on.

1443
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:53,920
» I don't know.
We can do that. We cannot do that. But

1444
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:57,440
you could you could just email Jan, but
you can't email the rest of us.

1445
01:49:55,520 --> 01:50:01,119
» But then but then that's that's coming
back and forth. That is that is a

1446
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:06,560
meeting. Okay. If Jan answers it and
answers all of us, that's breaks or even

1447
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:12,159
for that breaks coma. So I will I'll
verify this. But I'll tell you what they

1448
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:16,719
say. You don't even you know you you
>> I'm not saying that we that we send our

1449
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:22,800
questions to all of us.
I'm saying if we have a question on the

1450
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:26,719
response, we could send it to Jan or to
Jan or or

1451
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:30,560
» but I think I think that the question
should be all it should not be just an

1452
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:34,960
individual here and here and here and we
don't I think it should be a questions

1453
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:38,320
that come as a poll. Okay. So let's just
what's going to happen is we're going to

1454
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:41,840
go ahead and have a meeting in in a
month. Okay. Time and place will be

1455
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:46,320
determined
>> and and do we think we'll have answers

1456
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:50,159
to those questions at that time? No.
Well,

1457
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:53,840
» I hope so. Why would we not? We can send
those away.

1458
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:59,119
» We can talk about
send those to Emily to send to

1459
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:04,560
Emily and Jen. Will you take those
>> and send those to them? Okay. And tell

1460
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:09,119
them that we would like answers by the
next meeting which would be

1461
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:12,119
» 12th of August.
>> August.

1462
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:17,360
What was
>> I saw? What was your question for what

1463
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:20,960
did you
>> Well, I I was trying I thought I was

1464
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:28,639
trying to get to the same place, but but
it's what would their recommendation be

1465
01:51:24,639 --> 01:51:34,400
» how to get licensing back up to previous
high levels of 40,000 licenses? What are

1466
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:39,280
their re process recommendations? And it
would whether that's email reminders of

1467
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:45,520
past or working I mean whatever. What
are their recommendations for getting

1468
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:50,639
back up to past higher levels?
>> It's somewhat same. I'm just saying what

1469
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:54,880
that's
I'm trying to say what how is it going

1470
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:58,000
to be made easier? Okay. How can we do
that? Because I'm saying

1471
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:01,119
» recommendations to make this
>> what what is what is the most difficult

1472
01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:04,719
thing about this that's hard for you to
do or something like that.

1473
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:08,560
» Yeah. So I have two on that. I have what
would make your job easier? What

1474
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:11,280
obstacles you
>> face? That's a good What obstacles do

1475
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:14,880
you face? That's a good That's a good
way of putting it.

1476
01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:18,960
» Yeah. So, I think that there are two two
parts of it.

1477
01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:22,239
» Do you have any recommendations?
>> What do you think about how things come

1478
01:52:20,480 --> 01:52:24,880
into
>> Okay.

1479
01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:27,942
» I know we elected you first chair for a
reason. [laughter]

1480
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:33,599
» Okay.
>> We have seven questions.

1481
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:39,920
» Okay. And you're going to send those?
>> I will send all of us to

1482
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:42,400
» CC. Yeah, just send them all and that
should be maybe by the end of the week.

1483
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,880
» Oh yeah.
>> Okay.

1484
01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:49,119
» Um
and I'll send you what I've got.

1485
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:52,800
» Okay. Any other questions? We got to go
on because almost to leave and I've just

1486
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:58,000
got a few more things to go over.
>> I have one question. The animals that

1487
01:52:55,599 --> 01:53:02,080
get reclaimed from the Witcht Animal
Shelter, uh, when they go out to the the

1488
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:05,040
door with their owners, are they
required to buy a license?

1489
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:08,320
» Yes, they are.
>> Yes, they are. So, when a when an animal

1490
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:11,119
is picked up by animal control, you can
buy when an animal's picked up, they

1491
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:18,719
pay, if it's not spay or neuter, they
pay a $75 spay and neuter. They pay a

1492
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:23,520
$15 license fee and they pay for a
rabies vac. No, they don't. Yeah, they

1493
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:26,320
do pay for $25 for a rabies vaccination.
And then they also have to pay whatever

1494
01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:30,880
else cost.
>> Well, and I would say that they pay the

1495
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:35,360
$15 for the for the license, but that
doesn't mean that they get the license.

1496
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:39,599
They still have to go proof because a
lot of times, well, most of the time

1497
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:42,639
animals are licensed. They also don't
have rabies or they don't have anything

1498
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:46,639
they need.
>> And that's and we get

1499
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:50,320
» and so they have to go get the rabies or
get them spayed neutered and then they

1500
01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:55,119
can get the actual license. But I don't
know that a lot of them get back.

1501
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:59,280
» Well, we get the ones that come in from
city vouchers from you guys. They get

1502
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:02,400
everything because we tell them that we
say, "Okay, now did you pay for the

1503
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:05,119
rabies? Did you pay for the for the
spade duter?" And no, the license

1504
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:07,920
doesn't come to us with that. But now
that you got the rabies that said the

1505
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:10,480
license is free of course you take all
this stuff and you've already paid for

1506
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:16,560
the license, but you have to take it
back. So that we do that on a regular

1507
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:22,320
basis. Okay. Okay. Any questions? Okay.
We're going to go on with just I I

1508
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:27,599
presented last time I presented a a uh
something that you guys couldn't read

1509
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:32,480
and so I I peaceiled it and I want to
talk to you about the KGA AFI

1510
01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:35,360
regulations uh that are changing and I
mean I'm so frustrated I don't know what

1511
01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:41,599
to say because I found out more
information. So this is a process that

1512
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:45,840
has to go through. Uh it no it was not
we did not have any regulations that

1513
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:52,320
went live at all. that was the program
that allowed them to um do this by email

1514
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:57,760
instead of tape and page. And so I think
Stephanie was a little confused about

1515
01:54:53,760 --> 01:55:02,400
that. But on September 2025, the uh the
regulations were submitted by the state

1516
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:06,800
agency to the department. They went to
the state agency. Then they went to the

1517
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:10,159
department of administration. They
passed through that. They went to the

1518
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:13,599
attorney general's. And guess what
happened? the attorney general found out

1519
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:17,199
something was not right with the with
the recommendation. So they sent them

1520
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:21,679
all the way back to the state agency.
Okay. And so now they went back to the

1521
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:27,040
state agency. They are went through the
department of administration and as of

1522
01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:32,320
today they're stuck in
the AG's office, the attorney the

1523
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:37,119
attorney general's office and um nobody
knows what's going on with those

1524
01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:42,480
regulations except hopefully KPA has
filed a coma requirement

1525
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:45,760
uh for what the new regulations look
like because they started off in one

1526
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:48,960
way. They went through here the attorney
general said uh oh there's a problem

1527
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:52,719
with this and we don't like it. So they
sent it back. So they made some changes

1528
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:55,760
then they sent all the way back and now
we want to know whether those changes

1529
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:58,639
are going to be sufficient or not. Then
they still have to go through a bunch of

1530
01:55:57,199 --> 01:56:06,960
different things. So I just want to let
you know that the regulations as of I

1531
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:12,960
think it was in 2022 or no 2023 when pay
when they when they

1532
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:19,280
» kicked everybody's behind because they
decided they wanted to be really nasty.

1533
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:23,840
And so the uh regulations that determine
all these terrible things that rescues

1534
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:28,880
and shelters have to do are still stuck
in the AG's office. Still stuck in the

1535
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:34,239
AG's office. It's so frustrating. But
this is a this a whole deal about how

1536
01:56:31,119 --> 01:56:40,400
what these things go through. And um if
if they get to this the uh step four um

1537
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:45,440
if they get through and go through step
four, step five, then the regulations

1538
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:49,040
will be made public to the public and
then there'll be a public hearing and

1539
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:53,840
then if that doesn't go back, they can
also then go back and go go return to

1540
01:56:52,080 --> 01:57:02,719
step two. Okay. So, it's just
frustrating. It's just real frustrating.

1541
01:56:57,119 --> 01:57:07,679
So, um they're not they're not anywhere.
is you know if you know us if you know

1542
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:09,440
someone if you can contact your you know
senate your senator or your

1543
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:13,280
representative
>> is this the one and which can you just

1544
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:16,159
for the record say which one you're
talking about which

1545
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,520
» this is the regulations this is all the
regulations

1546
01:57:16,639 --> 01:57:23,360
» all the regulations
>> for k for AFI against and I say against

1547
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:28,800
because I feel it's against uh animals
in the animal shelters um about

1548
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:31,119
requirements that they can't be moved
here or there neonatals have to starve

1549
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:35,599
to death
>> that's what I Yeah.

1550
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:39,679
» No, the neonatals, the neonates, but
they're not regul They not regulations.

1551
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:43,119
They were ordinance and that failed.
Okay. So, that does not go included in

1552
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:47,920
the regulations. Yes.
>> Just got a couple quick things. Um, I

1553
01:57:45,199 --> 01:57:52,639
had a crown drilled on today. So, if I
said or made nonsense at times, the

1554
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:58,159
dentist may have went a little too far
up into my roof of my mouth and the

1555
01:57:55,760 --> 01:58:04,159
novacane might have penetrated my
cranium. Um,

1556
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:10,400
in July of 2015 is when the animal board
started, July of 2015. So, we're talking

1557
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:14,800
11 years ago. Um, and Stephanie and I
were the only two individuals who have

1558
01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:21,280
been to every meeting since then. And
then also, Chief Snow is reti retiring

1559
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:28,960
in uh August if you haven't heard. And
she's coming to speak to me neighborhood

1560
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:35,679
on um the 20th of uh July. and then
Grand View Metal Arc on the 21st and uh

1561
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:39,760
we're making her a cake a bulk night and
uh and we're going to send her off uh

1562
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:42,320
into her retirement.
>> Okay. And they hired one of somebody

1563
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:46,400
today.
>> You know who it was?

1564
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:49,679
» Chief Meyers and he's out of Houston. I
believe he's second in command in

1565
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:52,480
Houston.
>> Out of out of state.

1566
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:56,080
» It'll be on at 56. Okay.
>> It'll be on at 56.

1567
01:58:53,599 --> 01:59:02,000
» Do I hear a motion to adjurnn?
>> I move we adjourn. I'll second.

1568
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:02,000
» All those in favor?