She I don't know. She >> Oh, well, I'll take purple then.
» Thank you. >> What happened to my little one? You gave
me a little teeny tiny one. >> Well, they do tell us
he gave me a little
besides
Hello. Can you hear me? >> Can you hear us?
» Yes, I can hear you.
» Hold on. Here's a pen. >> Give that to her. Get that to her.
That's my Broadway pen. I like back.
» [clears throat]
» We just don't have anyone to come to our meetings anymore. They'd be so
interesting.
» Boring is not bad. >> No,
a little extra boring.
» Last time we had a Witchita documentary documentary. Are you familiar with them?
I didn't really there was a person was sitting right up there
» and I didn't see that she documented anything for us. I tried to look online
and I didn't you see anything about them?
» I've been to other meetings where they I don't know if they I think they just
keep records. I'm not sure they actually >> well they had they had one on
» I can't remember it was >> I think whatever they have volunteers
for they had certain
Give this to Jan and she give it to anyone. This is one for you. And
» is Emma coming? She said she was sick and I told her not to come. She was
coming. >> I know. She was told by and I said he
didn't trust me. >> You said you're sick. It's not really a
question. >> Well, don't sit too close to her because
she's still sitting. >> I told her I said give her.
» Yeah. I told her to stay away from me. >> Yeah. You don't need You don't need
whatever she's got. >> No.
» [clears throat]
» So, I'm gonna wait for Emily. >> Jason coming or
» Yes, he's coming. Uh he's uh he said he might be actually he may be a little bit
late because he's his his uh office hours have changed. So, he's working on
Wednesdays now. And but he says he just has to to get everything signed up. So,
he thought he could make it. I told him that we probably wouldn't get to much of
anything.
Here he comes. >> Yay. Here you come. How are you doing?
» Good.
» I don't know.
I've had and this is the only two things that she's handed out to us before we go
back, >> I guess. I don't know.
» So, we're gonna wait for Emily to come um because she's
sort of integral to this. Emily is the is the manager of the animal shelter.
» Have you met her? >> Have you been to the animal shelter?
» Oh, no. >> You have and you met Emily?
» No, I haven't. >> You should call Emily and have her take
you on a tour and visit. I think that'd be very wise. I think if you're wanting
to learn a lot, that'd be the best way to do it.
Yeah.
» I was
I believe.
» Hey, Alan.
So that's why I
» did that to buy home. >> No, no, no. That was
I think
» Oh, yeah.
» Yeah.
take you to move them out.
out west
sake. Well,
Not for sissies.
We're asking
» you by word.
Oh yeah.
» I guess I understand that W's the worst for
[clears throat]
me. That's not good. You must be really
sick.
» I had to figure out how to get
» that.
Well, you can you can qualify itchy skin as pain.
I just don't think you were in a spot at that time to make change.
» It should be
» as long as I think ahead.
That's part of >> now. Let me look for something that I
think will be here. >> Sometimes I'm not kidding.
» We hope Emily has not been pulled over for drunk driving because she's taking
some medication. [laughter] >> No, I'm not kidding. I just just
kidding. Just kidding. >> Ellen, don't you remember that when we
did the bylaws, we made it where you're supposed to raise your hand when you
vote? Yes, absolutely. >> It's not in there and we can't find it.
» You're kidding me. Who's in? >> Well, I think that we can go over the
minutes and probably pick it up from the minute. I think
we're gonna I'm gonna say that's a
» jam behind that door.
» When we did the bylaws, we did say that we wanted people to raise their hands
when they vote.
I don't disagree. I just don't remember. >> Okay. Well, because it's not in the
bylaws right now. >> Are those
» I think the chair should be able to >> by you have
» I would go back and compare to your last copy.
» Well, there that's what she that's what Susan's doing.
» Okay, we're gonna start this meeting. How are you doing, Emily?
» How are you doing, Emily? ill.
» Okay. No, I you should have been in full garb. You know, [laughter]
Emily's been sick and she's coming to me not feeling very well.
» So, >> is there time for my report?
» I'm sorry. We [clears throat] haven't even started.
» No, we're just waiting. Yes. Go ahead.
» And and >> I I want to do some housekeeping real
quick. >> Okay. So, I brought these right here
because if it isn't in our ordinance, it should be. Uh me and Stephanie will tell
you, she's been to every meeting, too, since July of 2015 when this started.
And they used to vote and they get done and say it was unanimous or 4:1 or 5 to2
or whatever. And I'm like, I didn't even hear anyone or anything. So, we tried to
put it in the the deal to uh raise your hand. Well, I've went one better. So if
you could see this, if you really strongly and you you you want to be bold
and strong, you you you raise your hand and be proud of that. If if it's so so
you but you're voting for it here and then if it's 51% bring it down here. So
but I would like that everyone use these. You don't have to do my little
all this, but just just raise it so Oh, no. We can
» you're proud So you're proud of your vote.
And you know what? You could be the caretaker of the
» Yes. I'll take them at the end and bring if you give me the the things.
» There you go. >> I I cannot find those. I'm so sorry.
» Give me those. I'll bring those, too. >> Yeah. So, that is my bad. I put them
away in a place I wouldn't forget. And guess what?
I haven't been able to find them. I'm Maybe someone moved them. I don't know.
But our board is so little. We don't have a very big board yet. We
don't we won't ever have a big board. >> While we're waiting, why don't we just
go around the the board? I'm George Theo Harris from District Three.
» Susan Richardson, the mayor's representative. Ellen Corner, district
one. >> Nancy Bradley, district four.
» Jason Albertson, JB Johnson's district >> district five.
» There you go. Okay. Shame on you. >> Shame on you. [clears throat]
» Kick me out. >> No,
» I'm fired. >> And Stephanie McCarti is from
» And she's That's Stephanie. Hi, Stephanie. And she's from District 2.
She's on She's on vacation, I think. So, she's behind you.
» I am not on vacation. I'm traveling for work.
» Okay. Well, I didn't know. That's good. Better that you be on vacation, I'm
sure.
Okay. Okay. We'd like to start the meeting. Um, I'm going to call the
meeting to order. And the first thing that we need to to do on this meeting is
to approve the minutes from last meeting. And Stephanie, you had a
question. [clears throat] >> I have a Yes, I have a correction to the
person who's absent. We list Patricia as absent and she is no longer on the
board. I have replaced her. So, we need to have that struck from last month's
minutes, please. Thank you. >> Then I have a correction,
and I think the vets would kill me if they put red as the way it was.
» Yeah. Anyhow, it's on page two, and it's under presented by Theo Harrison Corner,
and it's the second um little dot and it says veterinarians made it more
difficult. And what I said was they make it more difficult. And I think when I
talked to um Healey, she said she thought since I was talking about the
veterinarians that I was thinking about the veterinarians and I wasn't. Did you
read that? Did you notice that already? And so I talked to her. I think we can
say they and then in parentheses the city is making it more difficult. And
the reason I said that is because of the Excel file they sent because we wanted
to make it simplified. So I'd like to have that change to take it off. It's
not the veterinarians although we need to get them to get on board. the process
process. >> Yeah, the process
» and there there needs to be an addition too. Um I was stating that I had sent an
email to Emily um about licenses and
she uh told me that I needed to get with licensing or the police department or
and licensing won't talk with me. So, it's not because I've been rude to them
either. Oh, I've asked some questions they did not want to give me answers to,
but they was never being rude. So, that's not in the report here. And I
have email to document that. That's uh they're tying our hands and we just
can't have that. >> So, are you saying that you want that
added or is it >> Yes, please.
» And where would you add that? Where would it be?
Oh, it was near the end. Near the end, remember?
» Yeah. >> Okay. Um,
what I'm going to do is I'm going to uh defer approving the minutes until we can
come in and get them corrected and then bring it back to us. Does that make
sense? >> I think people are asking for quite a
few things, especially what you're asking for.
» And I could send her the emails and and she could just she don't she don't have
to look at nothing. Well, it's what you said in it's not the email
» I read. So I read them out of the meeting.
» Yeah. So the email that I read. >> So do I have a second to defer the
approval of the minutes till next meeting.
» All those in favor raise your hands. Okay.
Stephanie. >> Oh, Stephanie,
are you there? >> I'm here.
How did you vote on deferring the minutes?
» Yes. >> Okay.
» If I vote no, I'll put it in the chat so Keley will know.
» Okay. But we want to know, not just Ke because Key is not here.
» Okay. Just say yes or no on anything that we vote on. Okay. Okay. The next up
is our um is Emily um on uh
animal services report and we got a chair up here. Do you want to just do it
if you do back there? I don't know if you're going to be able to be heard.
» Can you guys hear me? >> Well, it's whether they can hear you.
» Stephanie, can you hear me? >> Yes.
[clears throat] I'd rather not germ everybody up.
All right. Um >> closer to June.
» Yeah. The So you guys have the report that has
May and June on it since we were last here.
And our intake for cats in May was 309 and 444 in June. Intake for dogs was 430
in May and 441 in June. Um we're right around average numbers for last year. Uh
but our overall euthanasia rate for dogs is lower. Cats pretty much race remains
the same. But the bulk of the euthanasia for cats uh is still neonates or those
that have been badly injured. Unfortunately with a heavy
overpopulation pro problem of mostly unowned cats I believe um they get
injured a lot and that's a mercy euthania isn't a big category for us.
» Any questions on the regular do or on the regular
um I just have a question uh is this higher this year or lower this year than
than years before >> on intake? on intakes. Are we taking in
more animals or less animals? >> About the same. It It's really very
close. >> Very close. Okay.
» Any other questions?
No questions. Are there any question on this?
The next report is the dangerous dogs report. Um it's also published on the
website now. So, I I'll refraining from reading it for you guys, but just take a
look at those and let me know if you have any questions about anything.
And I guess I'm going to ask the same thing. Um, maybe it would be helpful if
we had some sort of of comparison. >> I remember. Yes, I I'll bring that next
time. >> Okay. Yeah, because it'd be nice to know
whether we're going up or down on stuff. >> I had a question. It says uh in May
there were more euthanas than intakes. >> Whoa, that doesn't sound good.
» On dangerous dogs. >> Yes.
» Okay. So, um and this one's a this is a kind of wonky because it doesn't exactly
spell out what is happening very clearly just in a statistic.
» Okay. So dangerous dogs can exist in these these four categories are aren't
necessarily all related to the same animals.
So for example um and and this is done and it's done by calendar month. So
maybe I took a dangerous dog in on May 30th to the shelter, but that dangerous
dog's outcome might have been a euthanatia or it might have gone back
home. Um, it might that dangerous dog's uh intake could also be determined
nothing further. So maybe it didn't end up with a dangerous dog determination,
but it came in as a dangerous dog designation.
And then the outcomes for that same month, let's say that it was euthanized.
Um, that process takes several weeks typically before we make our
determination. The person has time to come back with it. So, the intake isn't
necessarily going to add up to the euthanasia number at the same time. And
um there are situations some sometimes also where we're doing a dangerous dog
investigation, but we aren't in taking the animal specifically into our
facility. It may be at a veterinarian. It may be um at doing its home
quarantine for something that we are going to assume is going to be something
nothing further and we're not requiring that it come into the shelter while we
complete the investigation. Um there there's just a lot of different
variables in that. So it doesn't necessarily equal out to the same.
» And two, doesn't your euthanasia include like if a citizen brings a pet in
» right you didn't intake it. Do you you do you do an intake on those or do you
» um not typically those are gonna those are going to be the um d the next
category which is dangerous dog. XUP stands for uh owner surrender in our
um and and so those those mean that the owner brought it to us. We didn't
necessarily complete a full investigation because the owner is
saying, you know, this dog maybe it attacked my f my child. It needs to be
euthanized. And so we wouldn't conduct an investigation on that one, but it
would count towards the euth. >> So those inverted numbers probably would
have made more sense for cats since they have nine lives.
[clears throat] [laughter]
» That's his voice. You do add humor. You do add humor. Um, any other questions of
the report. No questions. Thank you very much. And
you can put your head down and rest if you want to.
» Okay. Next on the agenda on the the is public comment.
And I don't have Who's can you bring up the public comment or someone bring up
the public? Who signed up for public comment?
very much.
» We just have one. We have such a few public comments and Tony Wman.
» Thank you. Um yeah, I I agree. There's hardly anybody here. There used to be
people from Humane Society. I don't know, six or seven police officers. Um
people from the shelter, not just the shelter supervisor. And now here we are.
Nobody. Um, I wanted to follow up. Um, I missed the meeting in May, but I was at
the meeting in March, and I did make a public comment then that I want to
follow up on, and it has to do with all of the animals who are leaving this area
going to rescue, but we don't know what rescue they're going to. Um Emily told
me in March that they were going the cats were going to Missouri and
Wisconsin and I'm wondering so they have a
scarcity of cats in Missouri and Wisconsin.
» Yeah, we're not going to have any questions.
» Oh, I'm sorry. >> Anyway, that was my comment. They have a
that I was wondering, you know, do they have a scarcity? And one of the reasons
that I bring this up again is because first of all, there's been no
At least I haven't seen any resolution to at least knowing where they're going.
But there's been a lot of public information about a place called
Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna, California. And this is a rescue where um they went
in and this place had been receiving animals uh cats and dogs from area
rescues and shelters and what have you. They couldn't adopt them out. They were
fundraising on them, making hundreds of thousands of dollars and then killing
the animals. And so they found graves of hundreds of dogs and cats that have been
killed over a certain amount of time. It's called Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna,
California. I urge everybody to Google that. And [clears throat]
if you don't know for sure that your animals are going to a good rescue, it
might be going to a horrible death. You don't know that. So that's comment.
Thank you very much. Okay. I didn't even turn on my stopwatch.
Off you go. That concludes new business. Um I mean that concludes the public new
business. We're going to have election of officers and I'd like to start that
off with the election of the chairperson and I would like to make a nomination
that Stephanie Mccernie um uh be elected as our next chairperson. I'm worn out.
Is there a second? >> Well, no. Is there any more?
» No. No, we have to. No. Okay. Are there any? You're going to second it. Okay.
Are there any other nominations for the chairperson?
» Yes. I make a nomination that you stay as chair.
» I'm not going to do that. I have too much to do. I have too much and
Stephanie is a very good person. She can run a meeting very very well.
Are there any other nominations? I close the nominations. Is there any
input? Can we have input from the from the floor or do we not do that during so
glad you're here? >> The board first and then the floor. I
would say >> you would have on an election, you
wouldn't have input from the citizens. It would just be the
» You wouldn't have input from the >> Okay, that's I didn't know that. Okay.
Are there any discussion about this? >> All I want to say is we've been there,
done that, and um if uh
all I'm going to say, been there, done that. Any
other comments? I'm going to bring it to a vote. All
those in favor of Stephanie being the chairperson, raise your purple or orange
hand, purple and your orange hand. All those opposed.
Okay, there's one, two, three, four, four. Stephanie.
» Oh, Stephanie. Do you want to vote for yourself?
» Yes, I'll vote for myself. Thank you. >> Okay. [laughter] Okay. One, two, three,
four, five, five, four, and one against. So Stephanie, you're the new
chairperson. Now, I have a question. I'm going to go ahead and go through the
rest of the the nominations, but should Stephanie take over the meeting now or
should I continue with the meeting and have Stephanie take over the next
meeting? >> I would have her take over the next
meeting. >> The next meeting. Okay. All right.
» Okay. >> Yes. [clears throat]
» I make a motion, Susan, to be the the vice chair.
» Okay. So that was the next thing up for the first V. We have two vice chairs.
Okay. Okay. So we have a motion for Susan to be the first vice chair.
» Can Susan clarify something? >> Yes.
» Is there a sequence to the vice chair or is just like level like is there first
vice chair, second vice chair? >> First vice chair, second vice chair.
» I declined to be first vice chair. >> Okay. Yes.
» Make a motion that Jason be the first vice chair.
Ah, you're up. [laughter] Okay. A second. I second that. I second
that. Is there any other nominations for vice chair?
Stephanie. Okay. Uh then we'll close the
nominations and we'll take a vote. All those in favor of Jason being our first
vice chair, raise your hand. >> Okay. That's one, two, three, four, and
raise it like [laughter] that. >> Yes.
» Yes. >> Yes. Good. Okay. Well, that's um that is
uh nomish. Okay. Five to zero. >> Make a motion that the second vice chair
is Susan. >> That's six to zero. Helen.
» Oh, six to zero. >> It's five here. That's why six because
she's Yeah. >> Okay. Six to Thank you for correcting
me. >> Second, Vice Chair Susan,
» now that it's been clarified. >> I'm willing to be second. You're willing
to be a second. I will second that nomination. Is any
discussion? You two can hash it out. Okay.
[laughter] No, I'm not kidding.
» I would like to know if you ever took the tour of the shelter with Emily.
» I have not taken the the tour with Emily. [clears throat]
» I probably need to find time to do that, too.
» And you need to, too. Okay. Well, I think that that I think you missed the
one tour that they gave that they didn't know that happened. Um,
» I I took a tour of the shelter with Ellen. So, I have been to the shelter,
but have not been to the shelter with Ellen.
» We'll do it sometime. It'll work out. I think maybe you can go together and take
that tour. >> Ellen, are there any more nominations?
» Yes, I know. Are there any more nominations?
All those in favor, raise your hand.
Stephanie,
» yes or no? Stephanie? >> Yes. Sorry.
» Is it yes? >> Yes.
» Okay. All those against, one against. Okay. So, that's one, two, three, four,
five, four, and one again. And one name. So, uh,
you're on. you're on. And Stephanie, I can't wait for you to take over next
month, next meeting. Okay. You do a good job.
Okay. Now then, the next thing up is um the uh
new is the old business. And I guess I'm up on this. I've handed out a packet for
you. And Stephanie, did you get I sent you what we're what I'm handing out,
which is just an overview of the of the uh uh of the things that were voted for
and against. Did you get that today? >> Yes, I got it.
» Well, you did get one, but you have that from the last year from the last
meeting. Okay. Um I contacted I'm not I contact Alejandro
AIO. I think that's her name, how she pronounces it with the bin. Is it Casio?
Do you know Jan Alejandra? Anyhow, I asked for an update for the number of
licenses that came in in the second quarter, which would be the total for
the for the first uh I guess for the first two quarters or the half a year in
the licensing. And I'm going to recoup this. I'm going to remind I don't think
you're here. I'm going to just go over a few things. Um when we and George when
George I asked to see how the licensing was doing after they they uh um approved
some of the different things that we had recommended in 2024 which was before it
was approved they had 15,28 licenses with a revenue of $268,981.
They also had eight veterinarians on board. Um they had in 2025 they had
seven veterinarians on board and that number dropped from 9,000 to 9,544
with a revenue of 1841 $184 that $184,000
and86 and800 $184,869 uh dollars of income. So the income
dropped not totally in half but it dropped consistently and the numbers uh
almost dropped in half. >> Is this number how many licensed during
that year? >> Yes, this is during the year.
» What if some of those 15,000 in 2024 did a three-year license?
» They didn't have that ability to because it well they could have at the very
beginning. Okay. And we that's a question that I have. Okay. That's a
question I ask the license department. How many are are three years and how
many are are just one year or two years? because they do have a one, two or three
year and I'll discuss that a little bit later. Okay. And then what we saw and so
it went into effect the end of 2024. Is that correct? I think it was approved
in September of 13. September 13 of 2024. And but some of it
did not go into I don't know if they did the three-year not until the 1 of 2025.
» Right. That's correct. >> So that so that just sort of started in
2025. Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. And then in 2026 up to
date, we have 3,95
licenses with the amount of 78,800. >> Can you repeat that number?
» Okay. 3,95 licenses, excuse me, licenses.
78,800 [clears throat]
taken in. Now, >> how many vets?
» Oh, three. Three veterinarians. And I don't know if that has changed. U Emily,
do you know if it's changed? That's I got this from Alejandra. I contacted her
and she was very kind and got this phone last week.
» Yeah.
» So, um, we were all, I think, shocked at the decrease because what we did when we
when we put the sub together was we wanted to make the the licensing
increase. We wanted to get more dogs licensed. And uh
the next I guess I can show you this and I should have had this for the topic. I
I feel bad if you if you went through the the uh PowerPoint notes that I have
over there and shared them around. You'll see what we're talking about, but
I didn't have enough meds to buy enough to print them off.
Making notes on this, but I can share. >> Huh? [laughter]
» Look like there's a couple. >> Yeah, there's more. I ran copies. I fig
you guys pass. >> And so the second
» the page that you have here talks about just a just a visual of what this looks
like. We handed this out last meeting and I don't think you were here at the
last meeting, Jason. So that's why I put this on here. And this shows the number
of history. In about 2010, we had over 40,000 around 40,000 dogs licensed. and
it has now dropped down to hopefully we're going to get 8,000
licensed maybe if we we got almost 4,000 for the first uh half year. Hopefully
we'll get more but we don't know. Um and then this is this is just the
revenue showing how much it went down. I don't have 2023. I never did get 2023
but I think it sort of followed the trend. And then 26 is the lowest it's
been in 25 years I think. And this is all information that we got through the
subcommittee. So
we I I presented this at the last meeting and I I did presented it badly.
I should have sent some of this stuff out previously. Um but at the last
meeting there were some concerns about the efficiency of the license of
subcommittee as to what they did and uh they wanted to know what was what were
recommended and what was you know what was accepted by the city. Okay.
And so I sent out very late last night because well yesterday afternoon because
I ran across the the uh workshop uh video where they discussed things. So we
the board presented the uh recommendations this my
subcommittee presented the re recommendations in May of 2023
and uh at that time it was voted on by the board to pass on with the vote of
five yays one nay and one absence abstain. So it passed and it was then
sent on to the police department. Now our in May of 2023
and I looked at all the minutes because I knew what happened but at each meeting
we asked where the meetings were where where are the where the recommendations
and we really didn't get a good answer. They said, "We don't know downtown
someplace." And so they were sort of stalled. And then on the
uh I guess it was the March meeting of 2024,
Mike, who was a chair at that time, reported that, hey, they're going to
start they're going to um we're in the process and they hope to get them to the
city council in the next week in the next month or so. And that was at the
March meeting. That was about a year later.
I just uh Googled and IA said there's 130 to 150 dogs in Witchah and IIA is
never wrong. So if you multiply that times 22.5
that's about the average cost of a license. It's 15 if it's fake and
neutered but 50 if it's not. If you average in all of that it's about 2250.
So that's two point 2,925,000
that could be collected that's not being collected
» and and that's something that we talked about in this in the slides. Now then um
in April of 2024 Jan presented for the first time to the city um council the
recommendations and they prior to going for that one period of time I think that
those recommendations were being looked at. We we didn't expect all of the
recommendations to pass. You know, we I I had no no thought that they would ever
license cats, okay? Much to much to Georgia, but I knew that was probably
going to be one of the things that we kicked out. But Dan, you got with law
department, PD, and the finance, and you went through and looked at what
utilities accept. Okay. And she presented it to
the city. And I just want I always like to correct things when they're wrong. At
the last meeting, it was stated that the city council voted no on our
recommendations, and that's not true. Uh they were the recommendations weren't
given to them until after the city after PD and uh uh finance and law said we can
accept such certain months. And um >> but and I just want to clarify that this
first time she presented them, they were at a workshop, not
» Yeah, workshop. No, it was a workshop. I'm sorry after and it was after the PD
had looked at these your workshop. It was after
» this is the first time it was presented a workshop. I'm sorry I didn't say
workshop. Okay. Now then >> Excuse me. No, PD was looking at them
before you did your workshop. >> That's what I said. That's what I could
that's what I asked her. >> Yeah, but I don't think she answered it
right. >> She did. She shook her head. Yes.
» No. Yeah. And and I said that that >> Yeah, they PD looked at it. Then you
took their recommendations and you presented it
» and then you went before the city council and they voted in
» 70. Yeah. >> And and that was
» they didn't vote on the recommendations. We just presented the present.
» No, no, not that they did later. >> I'm let me finish George. Let me go
through this. Okay. All right. And so um that was in uh April of 2024.
And uh the the uh they were then presented after
the workshop to the city council in September the September 13th meeting.
» It was August 13th. >> August 13th. August
» because it was the same day as neighborhood night out.
» Really? It was August, not September. Okay. Well, I'm wrong.
» Okay. I will always admit that I'm wrong.
» I don't know. >> Don't worry. I sent it to you today and
it said August 13th. So, you're fine. That's all right. Okay. So, it was
August 13th and they voted seven to zero to accept all of the recommendations
that >> in the or they were put into
» they were in the ordinance. Now, I have been because I I sent the the video and
I wanted everyone to see it because I think that a lot of stuff was said in
the workshop that I can't you know I can't say everything there. But it was a
very very good workshop. There's some good questions. But what I did in the
next six sheet is I printed off very crudely their your um uh PowerPoint
notes for the workshop. Okay. And so I wanted to go over that because people
want to know what was taken, what wasn't. And so the first recommendation
was licensing both cats and dogs. And they said, "Hey, we got enough
[clears throat] dogs licensing. We can't do cats at this time." And I remember
talking to to uh Jan about that. And she said, "That's a good idea, but not right
now." And so it's not like they said never never never but maybe it is never
never but they said that they wouldn't do that
at this time. So that one was one that they didn't take with they took with the
dogs and not the cats. And the second one was mandatory microchipping of cats
and dogs and this was actually put in the the advisory board wanted to do
that. I mean the subcommittee wanted to do that but we didn't think we could
until the police says hey we want you to do that and said okay good we're going
to put it in. So, we were real happy about that. And that, of course, was
supported. And then offering a three-year license if a dog has a
three-year vaccine and offers no refunds for unused years. Uh we I don't think we
put in the refund, but that was good that we we put it in. We might have put
that in. But anyhow, uh they supported that. So, that went through. And then
changing the licensing price to 15 and 50. I think there was some questions
about it should be 20 and 40, but it ended up being 15 and 50. Okay, 15 for
altered and 50 for unaltered. And that was we did that so that we could
encourage spay and neighboring of the of the animals because that's one thing
that can happen. And the and the police department supported that. And then we
increased the three dogs and three to two dogs and two cats and three dogs and
three cats because a lot of us have three dogs. I have three dogs. I hate to
say that, but I have three dogs. Now I have three dogs. And the and the witch
supported the recommendation. And I didn't think about it till I looked at
what you said that that's going to probably drop down some of the animal
maintenance permits that they have to do. So that's a plus. Okay. Because see
before if you had three you had to get an animal maintenance [clears throat]
permit and now it's at four. Then they added a dedicated employee to administer
the pet license. And we thought if you have someone as an
employee that does it, you know that that has paid $60,000. I think someone
said that at the meeting about $16,000 and you were taking in, you know, $800
to a million dollars that that they could pay for themselves. But I guess
the city doesn't believe that. They don't. Okay. Um and the next one was
partner with the Kansas Mayite to vaccinate for rabies and licensed
animals before they leave the shelter. We haven't gotten anything. What?
Nothing's happened with that other than they are vaccinated for rabies. Right
now they are, but they're not gathering. They're not taking in a license. the
it's really just more of an open discussion at this point um with them
getting a new CEO and um talk talking about the pros and cons of how that
impacts adoptions just with the additional sticker costs and things like
that. So, >> okay. Kind of like the veterarians.
» Yeah. So, it's just it's like it's an open discussion. Um but
uh just yeah, I I I don't know that they're against it. I think that Um,
part of the thing is too was when they started doing the rabies was also when
we were kind of starting this conversation and seeing how that how the
new, you know, online system would work and how we can direct those. Um, I set
up a resource computer in my lobby that we could try to uh also help people get
like their licenses that way. So, I don't I mean it's it's open for
discussion. They're not >> Does KHS give the adopes instructions?
» They do give them the instructions. And so they have a new CEO. Is that an
interim? >> They are very close.
» Very close. Oh, >> yes.
» I I heard one of the concerns about the license was that maybe the dog didn't
work out or cat or whatever didn't work out, they brought back. So maybe we need
to put some language in there that if they bring it back 30, 60, 80, 90 days
that that they can use that license for another animal or something. I think
that would maybe circumvent that problem.
» And something that um uh was talked told to me by a veterinarian,
I can't think of her name. She's cute because [clears throat] I'm so old that
there I think it's called a kiosk. There's a little you know what is a
little thing I'm old. The little square thing that you
» That's a QR code. a QR code that the QR code could be set up at at the animal
shelter and at KHS and also in veterinarians where they just have to
clean in there and do that. Do you have anything like that?
» We don't have anything like that. That'd be easy to do.
» Well, that the city would supply. >> We could do that for sure.
» Yeah. And so that would be like >> who's going to pay for the kiosk?
» Well, it's not QR code. >> Okay. So they would provide us a QR code
» and that could be on a website or we could just scan it off of
» that's that's what she it's um um because she said they could do that even
when they walked out with the animal or whatever
» like your archa can be printed on >> printed on and it could be on a placard
or sign. >> Yeah, that's what they're saying. They
can just do it. Okay. Anyhow, um but so they're still working on it with the new
staffing kai. >> I'm sorry.
» They're still working on that. The reason behind that,
George, if you recall, was that the biggest number of animals coming into as
new animals in the state come from the humane society. They were our biggest
biggest source of new and new animals coming in and um it would be nice to get
those on the licensing situation. What do most rescues do when they I mean they
make sure they have the rabies. Most of them make sure they're stayed and
neutered. Do they give out information for licensing or do they
» Well, I can't I can't >> or does anybody ask them?
» I can't I can't say. Well, I can't speak for other rescues. We generally tell
about them. Did we tell about the ones that you took about getting them? Well,
we knew that you would license them. >> Maybe.
I can't remember because she was she adopted a lot of Dutch dogs a long time
ago from us and you adopted dogs even longer
» one >> one yeah a dog
» but we did that through the business where I was working they were licensed
to them >> um
let's see so then we talked about increasing the license inform
information or uh enforcement by saying reminders and phone calls and you guys
thought it was being done or was were told it was being done I have to tell
you that I don't know of anyone in the recent five years or six years that has
gotten a reminder. I used to get a little piece of paper for a long time
ago in the mail. >> The pink postcard.
» The pink. That's what everyone says. The pink postcard that come in. Didn't have
Do you still have that? >> No. I've seen one of those in years.
» Long time ago. I've said the same that I haven't seen one in a long time, but
they tell me that they are going out >> and I would like to see them go out by
email just because >> that would make
» Well, I just licensed one of and I had absolutely no issues. Took me five or
six minutes to license my dog last week. >> And
um it does ask you at the end whether you want the reminder by mail or by
email. >> Oh, I know.
But it it was very simple to use. >> Have you gotten a reminder? Has it been
a year? >> Um,
» no, it hasn't been a year. I just I I did one early kind of to so that I could
test it out. >> Well, I know that [clears throat] um
that the veterinarians that I know like Chuck Olsson who was a very good person
who always collected the licensing and now is not doing it u anymore. Um he
says he hasn't seen one of those peak cards forever. And that was a good thing
for them because it brought the dog in. Okay. So they
» they would always served as a reminder. >> Uhhuh.
» Beyond just our cards anymore. [clears throat]
» Send out texts or like I get a text that >> Yeah.
Well, has [clears throat] Jan, do you know if that's something that they're
looking into making something that will like this whatever the program that
they're using? Will they do that? Well, >> I've been told that they do send out
hundreds of I don't know what they look like.
» I'm sorry. >> I was
» Well, [clears throat] I I I can I I don't think Blair Doom seen them. I
don't think uh Scare has seen them. I don't think I've talked to Chuck Ulton
have seen them. You haven't seen them. So, and I haven't seen I haven't gotten
anything from my dogs and I just my vet tells me, "Oh, you need to bring them in
on." And so, because I haven't gotten it for my dogs. So, anyhow, that's
something that that was sort of not not against other than that they don't have
personnel to do the phone calls and I can understand that. Ellen kid kids kid
it would be nice if we knew a veterinarian that we could lean on to
ask them especially if they're like a bird by his chair now where where where
the dots aren't being connected >> well that's that'sant
» I can tell you that you know people they want value for the money that they spend
and I work really hard at conferring value to the services that they get at
my hospital. They don't feed value when they're paying a license fee. They
think, well, it's just going to some bureaucrat and where that money goes
goes in their deep pole and when they're But what's the value of
of the license? Maybe if we f saw some value, they would be willing to go the
extra mile to part with those dollars. Okay. So, that's a marketing. It's a
marketing. >> And I know that Councilman High brought
it up at the council meeting a couple of weeks ago and about the licensing and he
would suggested threw it out there that have the money collected help support
the animal shelter and the and the needs of the
of the animals. >> They look at it as a tax. You are taxed
for the privilege of owning a pet and no one that this is what
» this is the feedback that I would have gotten that I have gotten
[clears throat] >> fortunate that he said that. No
» because Trish is here and she's going to explain it here in a little bit. Now in
lubing, >> one of the things, one of the things
that I I will tell you that um Dr. Cowan um a friend of mine uh used to use Dr.
Cow when he was there and that's and what he said was I quit gathering
licenses when I found out it was going to the general fund because I thought it
went directly to the animal shelter and directly to help the animals uh that
they took care of like >> or it is a tax.
» Pardon? >> Therefore, it is
Oh. Oh, there it is. Well, no, because he said he said
» Well, but also isn't the shelter funded by the general fund.
» Well, and so that's what But is but does all of the money that we take in from
licensing? Does that show? >> But that's where it comes from.
» Yeah. And and when you're talking about the license licensing department, um I
talked to my councilman this afternoon who is um
class at Dalton and he said that there are 80 licenses in the city.
» Yes. >> And by the end of this year they hope to
have there is um to have 30 of them digital. So, and I think there's only a
couple of people that actually work in licensing that handle all of this. So,
we need to keep that in mind as well. >> Yeah, that's one of the problems.
[clears throat] >> The dog license fee uh could actually
cover most of the animal shelter. >> It but but the most but the the dog
shelter animal shelter is becoming like the buses. You're just a lose. You're
going to lose. It's money thrown. Well, it's not thrown away. Those people need
it. But what I'm saying is they're not making money. The buses aren't making
money. Animal shelters not making money. But they could get closer if they could
get that 2. >> I wouldn't say making money. It's being
able to provide the services. >> I I talked with the outgoing city
manager and he did say it goes to the general fund that 1530 whatever $50. But
he said if we see that this is bringing in $3 million, we are going to funnel
some money to the shelter. So it's not they get it in and spend it on something
else. they would start funneling in maybe not one for one but maybe does
have you ever heard that Jan that if we get more money for any fee or whatever
that and it goes into the general fund they'll see where that money comes from
and then they'll send some money that way because that's where we're getting
the money from. Does that make sense? >> That's what Bob
» It's not what I do. >> I know. Well, he's not here anymore.
» Yeah. Well, but I'm sure this manager will do the same thing.
» That's what I've been told, but I don't know for sure.
» I don't. >> Okay. Now then, um we're going to go on
to improve the online information about dog licensing. And I think that's been I
think that's been done. I I didn't have too much issues when I renewed my dog's
license, but you had a little bit of problems.
» I don't know. I mean, I got to the end. I put in all the information.
» Did it work? >> And then it said, "We can't do that
right now." And so you still haven't got your dog's license?
» No, it's going to go out to the shelter like that.
» Okay. >> But when I talked to you, you didn't
think they had done anything since the last meeting.
» The license. >> No, I brought up Susan's issue to them
in with some other questions and things like that.
» They I brought up Susan's issue to them um and some other with some other
questions and things like that for you guys and you know, for myself. uh
they're, you know, they do a lot of things. Yeah. So, um they didn't get
back to it. They did say that they um were having challenges with the software
not doing some of the things it wanted. I don't know if that's specifically
around dog licensing or other licenses, but that they had set set up to have a
weekly meeting with the the software company to get some of these things
fixed. Um, so I just I assume you know when Susan and I talked, we try to
figure it out and troubleshoot them [clears throat] whatever happens.
» Okay. So I think uh in the PowerPoint that the WP supported the idea that they
needed to upgrade things and I think they have I think that it's easier to
get to that that part and then u they wanted to prior it just said you could
only do a renewal and not an initial but now you can do an initial. I've not done
an initial yet. I've just done renewals and then support book licensing uploads
for vets. And I'm wondering if that's where the Excel file came in from. Do
you think? Because see that would be a bulk. I looked at that because I I did
you look at that. I I got it for spayneuter and I said, "Oh my gosh, this
is ridiculous." Um and maybe they didn't realize how much more work it would be
for the veterinarians to do that than just the little blue forms. Um and maybe
they were thinking that would be a bulk upload, but when I talked to Stea and I
asked her about it, she said, "Well, that's because then we just have to plug
it in because we don't have to do that." And my hey my my thoughts and I said it
to her were so you're asking the veterinarians to do your work for free
and she said kind of yeah and so I did offer something that's different that I
think um I wish licensing was here because u Olsen they hated just not
doing something but they were not going to they got upset over that so they quit
collecting the money but what they had been doing and I don't know how many
other veterinarians are doing this and maybe they're considered one of the
three doing it at the end of every month they take the rabies certificate
of all the dogs they gave a reg in fact I'm starting to do that at the clinic at
the sputer clinic and end they put them in a packet and they send them off and
then they can say here these are the people they haven't spent anything but
you can send out something to say they need to pay their license and so they're
saying that but I thought that it'd be easier if the veterinarians just sent
out the rabies certificate because on that certificate it's got everything
that you need to know about what would go on except for maybe an email and you
could I guess I could add emails and then if you collected did money, you
stamped it, paid. I've got a little paid marker then how much they paid and then
put those aside and have those that didn't pay and those that did pay and
send it in that way. But I do believe that we need to look at incentives for
the veterinarians to do something like that. Okay, incentives to do something
because it when we when we researched this, it said if you don't do it at the
time of of the rabies, it ain't going to get done. 25% is going to get done. I
talked to a friend of mine and she said, "Oh, I forgot. I've got that license.
It's in my drawer, but I I forgot. I I haven't turned it in yet. And it's
something that they forget the minute they walk in the door, the license, you
know, the RA service, you know, stays down. So that's what we learned and they
said we have to work with, you know, we have to get something working with the
veterinarians. Um, and they they approved that. And the
last three things that we had was basically incentives to try to get
people to license their dog. Okay. And um the first one was a benefit of one
free ride home. One of the vet, one of the states had one free ride home.
Obviously, they didn't have any free rides. They were very stingy about that.
If the dog was microchipped and licensed, everything, they would not
pick they picked it up, they check in their license, sign it, and they give it
back to them. There was no charge. Nothing. No charge on for the first
time. But I think that they you said they kind of already do that, Emily.
» Say it one more time. I apologize. >> Oh, I'm so sorry, Emily. I know.
» No, I'm fine. Go ahead. um that the PD and I know they do that
because they'll call us and say hey we who's the owner of this dog because they
didn't register give us and they said because we want to take it back to them
and not bring it to the shelter. So you're doing that more often. We are
doing that more often. >> Pardon?
» We are trying to do that more often. >> Yeah, but you
» has to be home. >> What?
» The owner has to be home. >> Yeah. So you just can't just lose it,
» right? >> Yeah. But anyhow, and then the last
three were uh something that Mike Marlet looked into and it was really pretty
ingenious. Uh and it and in that particular situation, it did increase
the numbers of licensing. That was that really cool license where they had
little coupons that people, you know, PetSmart and everything would give them
for $5 off or whatever. And so it basically if they got you know how you
get those little coupon cards that you buy and they've got a whole bunch of
things you can you pay $10 for it and then you get $20 worth of stuff. And
they said that they had very good I don't know which I don't know which
state it was that did that or city that did that. Mike Mike was the one who
picked it up and I can't remember what it was. But anyhow, um and those I think
uh we weren't we didn't know if that would really go over but we were hoping
it would and maybe one day we could because I think it would be a good
incentive for people to have a cool license for their dog. Did Did you look
at the the slides? >> I Well, I didn't look at this I I
watched the presentation. >> Okay.
» And they didn't mention that. Yes. I So I Okay. sounds, you know, who's going to
administer that? They're going to go around and and solicit
» businesses for such a thing. >> And that was a concern that they had,
» but I'm and I'm sitting here going, you know, I think Smart Pick Wolf Gang would
love to have their names on there with a little $5 coupon, that little thing that
they could click on, but I don't know. But they said they didn't have troubles
getting people on. So, but it does take time and we don't have
» so it's front end on the costs and so someone's got to it's an investment and
so and the local government has to buy into that idea of an investment.
» No, I understand that Mike said that by the way he's pretty good at it. He said
hey I could do the program for you but I don't think they would want to get in
their programming do because I could do the whole program for you the credit.
Okay. So that's what was so those are the recommendations. So basically,
uh, we just had a couple that you didn't take, I think. Is that right? You So, so
the it was pretty much agreed upon by the PD and the finance and, uh,
licensing at that time. Okay. Then it was presented to the city council. I'm
going to correct myself and say August 13th, uh, and 2024, and it passed seven
to zero with the city council. And I think the city say council people I I
listened to that video and they had a lot of good questions that they were
asking you about it. So you know I think they got involved with I think there's
some ideas. So that is that answers what what was pro you know what happened with
the licensing. Um, and uh, I
since then I've had some communication with with you, Jan, about the fact that
maybe that the licensing staff is overwhelmed
because you've added a whole bunch of licensing hand. How many did they say
you have? >> 80
» 80 different licenses. Do all licenses bring in revenues or do you have
licenses that don't? >> Most of them do not bring in enough to
cover. They bring in they cost money, but they're they're so low dollar that
they don't it's not a money maker. So, do you do you not agree that if you get
$800,000 in dog licenses that that's a revenue for the city or not? Yeah,
» I don't know that it matters what I think.
» Well, I mean I mean I guess does the city not agree that because that was one
of the things is it gives the city revenues that then they can just offset
some of the >> I don't know where your 80,000 is. I
said 2.9 million, but go ahead. >> I I understand, but I know I'm talking
about 800,000. Uh the money in like 2010 it was 800,000. I shouldn't say 80,000.
800,000. Uh that that should help. Um anyhow um so we need to make licensing
easier for the staff and um I I'm concerned about what that means. You
know, what is it that they're having troubles? I'm assuming it's input
data entry. When I said easier, I didn't mean I just mean I thought it was a good
time to come up with suggestions. >> Okay.
» And when you come up with them, be realistic about it that you don't want
like I don't know that the coupon card is realistic because who is going to go
out? >> Oh, I'm not going to That's not
» So that's what I meant. I don't mean that the staff never complains.
Licensing doesn't complain. They have a they have a very good department. I just
meant I think we did our best to take your last set of suggestions and we used
a lot of them and I think we are open to more suggestions but you just have to be
careful about not working within what we have working with
the people we have. They're not going to hire more people for this. I doubt maybe
I'm wrong. Sometimes they do things and I'm surprised but they did buy a new
software. They do buy software to help this stuff happen. So when I said
easier, I didn't mean easier on the people. I just meant realistic.
» Okay. Now, is the software that you have now just for dog licensing? Is it or for
all licensing? >> They have they bought a subset for dog
licensing. >> Okay. And have they looked at other
subsets because they're still using the one that I had some complaints about,
correct? Or do they did they renew that or did you look at other softwares?
» I don't look at the software. I just know that they [clears throat] told me
that they pay a couple hundred,000 a year. Were you not needing a couple
hundred,000 a year for that >> for software for that
» for the license for the dogs license? >> Oh, maybe it was 30,000. I'm sorry. I
need to get my numbers. I thought I emailed you the number. I didn't get
that number. I didn't get that number. >> Okay. I have the number. I see I feel
like they said like they have like they have a software that's for all of the
licensing >> and then there's
» but they have to buy a build. Yeah, that's what I mean by that. They have an
add-on >> for what they need and I'm I should not
butcher the numbers. >> It's not I I think I'm butchering those
numbers. I have those numbers. Okay. I thought I
» 30,000 sounds. >> Yeah.
» And then a update fee every year. >> Yeah. [clears throat] I love that.
» Well, um, so, uh, I know that when you sent me an
email, you suggested that there be a committee, a subcommittee or a committee
that works with Emily and then eventually with the licensing department
to come up with ideas. And I think one of the things is to come up with ideas
with um, for veterinarians to try to get veterans to to buy into it. I mean, I'll
send one time you said we could send you some cookies every week.
Remember you said that in September of September mean you sent some cookies.
» Anyhow, so >> it's amazing you buy them off
veterinarians off of food for >> buy food. Send them send them something
from from firehouse subs or something and that would be expensive. Anyhow, so
um I would like >> and I know you're going towards the
subcommittee, but my question is the board were really not working on
anything else at the time. I don't see why we can't do this as a board instead
of doing a subcommittee because we would have public input
and um the research could be divided between
the six of us. >> I mean, we've already got questions. I I
asked that to Jan and she said a committee would be better. I asked her
if it would be getting if she got you all I don't I mean just you you don't
meet often enough. You won't get a lot done. Yeah.
» We also have we also have the authority to have special meetings.
» Yes, I agree. You have this could be your committee.
» Yeah. >> I just didn't know if you want to
include citizens. Um if that was the point of
» I was told at one point that the subcommittees have to be public.
» Did you? Yeah. So, you've got citizens there.
» Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna counter that with a motion that we go ahead and do
what we asked the last meeting, which is to convene the original subcommittee
and with the addition of Jason as a veterinarian
uh and uh get with Emily because then we can get it's it's not just us doing it
together. It's a as a committee and our committee.
» Well, we have the committees. I mean Janice said we could be the kinetics.
» Well, I'm talking about do you guys all want to come together once a week?
That's what we did once a week and talk about it. I think it'd be easier with
the committee. Uh but it al also the committee then instead of the board the
committee in it and also had citizens on there. Tony was on there. Um, uh,
a veterinarian and I don't know why I don't I cannot think.
» Yeah, Teresa Burks was on there. She wasn't on the board and then also Chris
was on there as a citizen. So, the committee was did include citizens in in
the committee and with Emily on there and you said that we should not go to
the work with the licensing yet, but we should come up with some ideas. But we
we've had to talk with licensing to find out what they would what they would
like. You can submit a list of questions and we'll get them answered from them.
But they really don't have a dog in this fight, no pun intended. Um they're
licensing. They don't owe this animal services anything more than they don't
owe a board. They owe employees. They owe city council. They have city of
Witchah um
people um answers, but they don't directly answer to a board, a an animal
board. So, I think it's better to leave them out of it and submit a list of
questions >> uh and and it's up to us. We're supposed
to help you and get you the stuff you need so you can run a committee or or
meeting >> hold our feet to the fire, not theirs.
and we'll tell you if they're not answering and that's not like them.
They're going to answer if we I'd like to go through with the motion that we
do. >> How are you going to publicize this
meeting these meetings? >> Uh it usually was publicized uh at the
uh um on the the thing that they said that we were meeting in such and such a
place. >> But what's that thing
» on the police department thing? And I don't know how can you how can you make
it? >> It would be on the website. So if people
have put in their notice that they have open meeting uh request if they want the
notice they will get personal notice for the open meeting but they'll also they
can put it on the website about the meeting.
[clears throat] >> I'm going to take the driving of the bus
from uh from Ellen as she's been running you over with it keep saying Jan did
this, Jan said this. Let's go with what Jan said. Let's send her that's what she
said. Let's send them the questions and let them answer the questions. We don't
need to have any meetings or any boards or nothing. Just send You just heard
her. >> Yeah, I just
» I mean I think we could come up with a list,
» but we won't be doing No, >> not tonight. I don't think we can do
that. >> You We still have until seven. You
already know what most of the questions are and we could just send them and
» might be the quickest way. Trust me. I'm in favor of generating list of
questions. I think that's >> okay.
» That's a a good use of our time that we have.
» So, no second on the on the committee. >> Okay. Then that motion fails and so
we're going to go through and generate a list of questions, but it's that's going
to that's going to make it slower. I will just tell you right off the bat,
it's going to make it slower, I think. >> How could it be any slower from March
until August of another year? A year and a half. Really? Because you guys had
your committee before I was on. >> Yeah.
» And >> it was March and it went till the next
year. >> A lot of it didn't go into her. I We
can't go any kicking back. We'll just send her some questions.
» Okay. And uh Jason, can can you I would like to see
I would like to see more representation from veterinarians to give us some ideas
how to get off. And I wanted to ask, do you guys have a local organization of
that? >> No, it's loose knit.
» Okay. >> It's on Facebook,
» but you could at least start maybe with that.
» Yeah, we could start with I I could start with that. And uh there'll be
plenty of opinions. I will >> Yeah, I mean there's vocal there's a
vocal minority as there always is, >> right?
» And Chris Scar says she could do something. Does she does she run some
sort of a talk or chat or something? >> Christian Scare.
» Yeah. >> Well, she's she participates in that
forum >> in that form. Okay.
» Frequently, I say, >> could I make a quick comment?
» Yes. Now, now we have Let me if Sorry, I'm going to leave. Sorry, I have to be
somewhere. But I'm all for this. I will help you get the information you need,
but I needed one list, not a scattering of emails from different people asking
different questions. If you all would come up with one list and email it to
me, I will get you the answer to anything that I'm allowed to get you the
answer to. If I'm not allowed, I will give you an answer why you don't get it.
» Okay. >> And can we whoever sends that, can they
send it to all of us so that we're all on the same page? As long as
we don't email everyone back. >> Yes.
» Yes. >> Okay.
» Okay. And I'd like to have any input from the from the public. Okay. Um, I
went to my vets's office today and talked to them about the licensing
because in the past I years ago I lived in the county and anytime I got my dogs
vaccinated, they did county license. I moved to the city and then they did the
city license. Well, my dog's not due until September, so I haven't had it
this year. So, I went to ask him, "Are they still doing that?" And I was told
no and I asked why. And I was told and this is the office manager. I didn't
talk with that. And she said, "Well, part of it is they want us to do the
spreadsheet. I don't have time for a spreadsheet. They've got all this the
spreadsheet that they want me to put all this information." And she says, "I
don't have time for this." Reason number two is the vet wanted to send those in
with a check to pay for them. Licensing will not accept that. They want it all
online. >> It's been told. Yeah.
» So, that would be one question. >> A credit card,
» you know. >> Yes. What's the best way to record the
questions? >> Yes. Yes. So, um,
» right. >> Yeah.
» So, question and and that's something that you need to check with the
veterinarians on that. >> That's how it was in the old days.
» Send a check in. >> Yeah. They'd send a check. We'd collect
the money. Then we'd send we had a pile of stack of the triplicate forms and you
know and they'd send that stack in and with a check and that's how that worked.
And then the county license I mean hardly anybody paid the county license.
» I did. >> You're a good person though.
You know, >> I will say that when I went to pay that
um it was you could use a debit card, credit card, and supposedly you could do
an a straight out of your checking account,
which is what I wanted to do, but it didn't. I like that. So, actually, I
think that would be another question. >> Okay. Um,
» most clinics have a a credit card that they could use for such a thing, but not
everyone would. Um, there's not a there's not a uniform way that people
get, you know, they get paid take payments. There are some places
that, you know, I still swiping the swiping the credit card thing, you know,
so that makes it tough for some of the less progressive
veterinarians to pay. >> I mean, maybe we don't even worry about
them. It's the the ones that are up with technology.
» Okay. So, the question to ask would be uh what other ways can uh can the
veterinarians pay for the >> you have to ask would be Go ahead.
» You know, willing would you be willing Okay.
» To reconsider being the collection agency.
» Well, that's the question for the vets. I think we're trying to collect
questions, but okay. That's a question that I would
have >> because first we got to find out if they
are willing to do anything. >> If licensing says no, then it doesn't
matter what. >> Right.
» Right. full license >> because the vets say no then it
» because it used to be they you you paid your bill they sent it they handed you
the thing you wrote out a check and you mailed it and I sometimes I would write
them a check and you just stuck it in an envelope right there and it was mailed
to the city >> let let if let's spitball is what we're
doing maybe six or eight good questions let's not give them 20 or 30 but hold on
a second Helen please um >> we have another Trish wants to come and
speak. >> I guess you know that
» trying to recognize me, George. >> Yes, I've been trying to say
» Yeah, I wanted them to be able to >> Anyone else that would like to speak?
Yes, Trish. Yes. Um, and you guys got an email of what I was going to say, so I
don't I sent it through the board email. >> Read it. Read it so everyone can.
» I don't need to [clears throat] read it, but I'll recap the important parts in a
conversational way because that's better.
» Okay. I don't have the email. >> Well, that way we'll I can I can send it
to you different. Um, but basically I'm here because I I haven't always lived in
Witchah and I've been surprised that it the collecting the license didn't happen
at the veterinarian. And I think considering the fact that 16 years ago
we had 40,000 licenses that were collected and we've made $800,000 as a
city. Um, then now we're talking 8,000 licenses a year. That's that's a
significant problem in process and and you're asking questions to figure out
how to fix those processes and I think that's exactly what is needed but it's
also needed to have the citizen input to push the getting the answers. We we all
have to be engaged in talking to our city council people so that it becomes
something more important to them to get pushed through. Um, and I think when
I've been talking to my veterinarian and to other veterinarians, one of the
things is is they've told me about the spreadsheet, which is just undoable.
Um, and then [clears throat] also I think it's unrealistic and unfair for us
as a as a community to ask veterinarians to do something that takes their
people's time and effort and energy without paying them for it. So, I really
think it's important if we're asking veterinarians to collect licenses for
the city, which is going to mean a substantial revenue stream, whether it's
2.9 million, at least 800,000, um then then we should be giving them, I
suggest just to chuck a number out there, $2 per license. That seems like a
reasonable not nothing fee. something that that could compensate for hopefully
it's not taking more than 10 minutes per license uh in doing now maybe I'm wrong
I I'm not totally knowledgeable so but just saying if we need to be able to
compensate for the work that they're doing on the city's behalf and on our
citizens behalf because as I'm also talking to my animal friendly friends
the people that I know that are picking up strays around town I mean they you
know people that are just really engaged. I talked to my one friend and
she's like, "Does does the city do licenses? This is an animalged person
who doesn't know that the city does licenses." And and [clears throat] she
goes, "Well, why why would you do licenses, Trish?" And I said, "Well,
so that you can make sure that rabies vaccines are done. So that you can help
to fund the animal services that the city does." And to your point and your I
think everybody's point, I think it's important in the marketing campaign that
the city might do that we do change how we I know nobody likes designating
dollars because it makes budgeting harder, but if we can say 50% of all
licensing goes specifically to animal related issues in Witchah, then you're
what am I paying for? You're paying for the shelter. You're paying for
spayneuter clinics. You're paying for animal control officers. That's part of
that marketing piece and that buy in. What What am I getting with this 15
bucks? What am I What am I getting? >> People would be willing to pay
» if they knew that that money was going towards
» all of this. >> I agree because people hear the general
fund and although it comes out of the general fund, all they hear is general
fund >> and they don't know how much of that
goes%. Well, because when I was talking to
Dalton this afternoon, I said because I asked him about um the animal shelter in
general and he he said, "I just got it. It's 900 pages and I haven't started
reading it yet." >> The the budget.
» Oh, yeah. >> So, um he will let me know.
» Well, and and I think that it help >> He did say he did say that it he saw
that it has an increase. So >> I I think it does make a significant
difference to the population, especially considering that all the conversations
we're having around trust and transparency that we do something that
is so transparent as to say licensing income 50% equals animal issues. Bing
bing bing bing, right? That's something very clear line because when it goes all
into the general fund then it becomes a polit not a bad word but a political
decision as to what gets spent where and if the public isn't engaged in speaking
loudly and forcefully for animals and the spending therein then that may not
get funded in that year right something else may be taking priority and if we
can if we can concrete ensure a certain certain percentage of that licensing.
Again, it goes to the marketing. People know that their money is going where
they care about. It's doing something for them in their community. They're
sure of it. Um, >> it's also education, which is one of our
» mandates. >> Mandate. Well, what we're on. So,
» and what else, Trey? >> So, I'm just going to recap with the
three things that I was asking. And again, I'll get the email to you and all
the >> It went to spam.
» Oh, okay. Great. Well, I mean, not whatever, you know.
» Yes. >> Um, partner with veterinarians to
collect license fees at the time of rabies vaccination. I don't if
veterinarians are like my husband, you don't tell them to do it. [laughter] You
ask them nicely and you have incentive for why they could partner with the city
to do it. A $2 per license uh fee for them that they get to keep. Um,
compensate clin modestly. $2 per license to cover the time and encourage
participation. modernize and adequately staff the licensing system so
veterinarians and residents can submit information quickly and efficiently. And
it sounds like they're already doing weekly conversations with the with the
the coders with the programmers, right?
They're working on it. And sometimes we can't just say get it done and it gets
done. It's in a process. Okay, we get that. But we also have to say, but we
need to make sure the process works because the QR code, my vet had a QR
code on the wall. I scanned the QR code. It was it was not active. [laughter]
So, you know, it Yeah, it's one of those things that I have tried to license my
dog before and ran into a dead end. And so, we're all very busy. When we get
home, the piece of paper goes onto the pile of to-dos and the urgent things
stay at the top. and everything else floats down. And so I think it's very
obviously that's happening. 40,000 to 8,000.
That's that's an issue. That's something that has to be corrected. And and it's
not because people love Witchah less or their animals less. It's a process
issue. And that's where you as a board are thankfully asking great questions
that can get to what those process issues are so we can get them fixed and
we can [clears throat] get back to 80,000 licenses because from what I
understand there's probably over a 100,000 animals in dogs in Witchah that
could be licensed and if we're capturing 80 that's much more realistic. Um, and I
think we could do that. And then we're getting into the millions of dollars in
revenue that, you know, people can actually support spay and neuter clinics
so that we don't have as many stray dogs and our shelters aren't overrun and all
the things. So thank you for your time and thank you sincerely for your service
on this very important issue because people don't come and
engage and serve the way you guys do um in very many aspects and I you guys
thank you very much for what you do. >> Yes, George,
» when you said $2, I saw uh Jason like two and if it did take 10 minutes six
times two is 12. I pay my people more than $12 an hour. So maybe three might
be a better number because that's $18 an hour. I bet his
» that's a veterinarian conversation and and I think the city should be open to
that. >> Is it responsibility or are you giving a
convenience fee to the pet owner? You don't have to go home and do this.
» That's what I was thinking about. >> And so I think that's a debate at some
point. I would like to know um can you send those of us that are not vets a
copy of this spreadsheet that spreadsheet that they want you to
» I can I can print it out. Well, I'll try. Yeah, I'll just send I'll just send
it to you. I'll send you what they sent to you. Okay. You look at that. Now, my
thought is okay. Um Chris Gar said, "Well, I don't want to be paid to do
this. I'll donate it back in there." So, there are some vets who just wait just
wait. Just wait. Just wait. So I think that I think that we need to talk to the
veterinarians. These are things that we can ask the license committee. But we
also we can't do anything even until we get a feeler on the veterary clinics.
And one of the police I think it was um so I can't think of who it was that told
me he said you know a lot of veterary clinics are not owned by corporates and
corporates have no buy in and are they going to be the ones who said we're not
going to do that? You know she said >> then we need to get the education out
there so that their clients say okay I want this convenience.
Well, it's we need we need to talk to the veterinarians. And so this is where
this is where maybe um you and I can get together and figure out what we can send
out to the veterinarians. Okay. >> Do you have like a list of all local
» Well, oh yeah, let's go to the yellow pages, right?
» Yeah. No, I can put a list together. But so that's something that we can do in
addition to getting questions for them. But
» I want right now I want to mention right now that I think
that we should have a special meeting over this and have a special meeting for
just discussion of licensing and let the public know that can come in and talk
about it. >> I think we need some answers first.
» Well, I think that we're going to get some answers and some more questions if
the if we have more people right that are there. But I think maybe
» it will it's also be another time for us to talk about it because we cannot just
we we're going to have to have a meeting to talk about it.
» Well, and hopefully like say we do that in 30 days or whatever or whatever.
» Well, I was thinking >> um
» more like in two three weeks. >> Okay. But hopefully we'll have answers
back from the licensing and you might at least have some feedback
from the vets. >> Well, I don't I don't think that I think
that we should go back and think about what questions we have
» we do because that >> and then come back and then come back in
a couple weeks and and have a I hate to say this a special meeting. It'll be
like instead of a subcommittee just going to be the whole board, okay? where
we can have it listed that we're gonna be discussing licensing and people can
listen to what we're talking about and maybe we can have some veterinarians.
» Let's talk to Emily and see if we can use that room right there, you know,
that little conference room >> and then they can go do their little
tour and say, >> "No, no, because you have to be able to
let the public come and that's not enough place for the public." Okay. So,
that would not work. >> 50's public. How many more are coming?
20. I I do want to work on the question because we've only got
» read back the questions that you wrote. >> Okay. So far I just have um licensing
accepting checks or credit card a payments and what other ways can people
or what are the ways people can pay? Are they going to a cashless? That's really
um and then would you well the vets that
was a question for the vets. So that's really the only thing is payment. That's
only that's the only question I have. So far
» I know >> are same.
» Okay. And you have something you would like.
» Quick comment. Vince Hancock. I volunteer on Wednesday mornings at a
local senior center. I work with seniors in technology. And as arguably the
fourth youngest person in this room, we have a lot of seniors that like to have
options in payment. Meaning some of us still remember that in God you trust,
all others pay cash. So, while I understand our governments really love
to move to a cashless society because it makes things easier for them, a lot of
us seniors say, "Hey, in fact, a lot of the ones I work with say, I want a paper
invoice. Thank you." And others say, "Text it or email it." But they want the
choice to be able to do that. And I think it's appropriate for the citizens
to push back to say electronic options are good, but when you take away the
older paper options of I would like to pay in cash, I would like to pay with
check. I would like a paper invoice. I'm even encouraging my seniors, if your
business, like say your utility business wants to charge you a dollar a month for
getting a stamped envelope with a paper invoice, that's a reasonable recovery of
their cost. But you just I I've had one company, one utility company say, "Uh,
we will not give you uh paper invoices, otherwise we're going to charge you $20
a month." >> Really?
» They're out of town, but still. >> Now, now I will say that when I talked
to um Alejandra with licensing, she kept
telling me that people are mailing in their licensing, and if they're mailing
in their licensing, they've got to be paid with ship,
» right? So, I'm not quite sure that that's not happening.
» And that would be one of our questions in
» from the vet. And another >> Oh, they would accept from the vets.
Okay. I think from the people his check, >> they would not accept his.
» Um, one other thing is I did ask the question, would a $2 fee from the city
help you to offset your cost? Would you be willing to do licensing then? And she
said, probably not. I don't have the time. And they're saying too they can't
hire people to work in their office. They've only got two people in their
office. They usually have four. >> Okay. I'm gonna for Spain Kansas, we're
going to start except we're going to start uh you know paying although we
have the poorest of the poor who are going to say we only paid $50 for the
surgery and now you're going to pay charge me $15 for a license. But we have
some people that would. Okay. But um um >> so what other question? I just I know
» just wait. I just wait. I think and I want to just something that we can that
Jason you and I and some other vets can talk about or you know you can visit is
is that if you just print off which is what Olsson does the rabies certificate
and they you stamp it. Do you still have a stamp that you stamp or did you not
did you not get one of those? I was we're number 61 as a vendor.
» I'm just a veterinarian. I don't Brenda. >> It's It's not your Yeah, we need to have
» my wife who does that and she's she's like, "Who's got time for this? Who's
got >> Okay. Well,
» because we don't we have hard enough time getting the stuff done that we need
to get done for the business. >> And it is it is hard to do. And now we
it's it's I mean I hate to be that devil's advocate because I'm I have to
pay for all this food, but I got a business to run and it's like you you
want me to do what? This is my wife talking. She's a veterinarian, too.
» She's you want me to do you want you want us to do this? Oh, spreadsheets.
Oh, my head's going. >> Oh, that was the worst thing they ever
did. But if all you do is I printed off, in fact, I started printing off three
baby certificates. And maybe it's not that hard, but when you add, it's a
mental hurdle, I guess. And then there are some that like Kristen Scare, she is
a public service-minded person. She got that from her dad. But this is a new day
and there's not that many people that have a
public service. And that extends into the professional realm, too. Even though
And it's like we as veterinarians, we give, we give, we give. And now you're
asking me to give some more. So that's this is going to be something that that
maybe you and I can work with and come up with something with there. Yes,
Trish. >> So that I want to get Nancy is rightly
so trying to get to questions and I appreciate that, but I think that's one
of the questions that really is key to ask
» because licensing needs to be asked. How can we make the information system from
veterinarians to you easy and seamless? you know where we're like scanning the
RA they send in the RA what they're already doing the radius certificate
scanning those in and that is callulling the I mean how can we make it so easy
it's not >> well first we're going to assume that
the veterinarians will have buy in >> sure
» so you have to market to them too not only just the general public
» yes sir >> I mean maybe even more so
» correct >> so so I think what we need to do is
visit with the veterinarians and find out who's in favor who's going to say no
and who would and maybe they have some ideas and then then present that at the
meeting and say these are some ideas that the veterinarian has given us will
you accept them okay what can you work with us
» along with that question how can we make it easier for vets to submit info I
think yes >> and then also to say to see can you send
us the the procedures you have now So that
» I'm gonna send out to you guys. Can you >> I'm gonna send out the the the Excel
file I was ask to fill out. Okay. Yeah. Did you look at that? Did your wife look
at that Excel file? >> No.
» An Excel file. It would be nice if you >> She looked at that.
» It's an Excel file. >> But it would be nice if they they gave
you something that you've already got this information and then downloaded.
» They they gave us something, but I'll just tell you what. I'll send it out. I
almost did that and but I said, "Well, anyway, I'll send it to you guys in a
couple." >> All right. So, I have two questions so
far. Um I think I think maybe there was a question that we might have gotten
lost which is what is the I would like to know what is the breakdown of uh
people using the system to pay and people paying by check
» or people mailing in their >> Okay. So what is breakdown? Okay. So I'm
going to say >> so how are people engaged with the
licensing system? >> How are they getting their payments
made? Right. a check in the mail come into
» and then also how many vets how many are received by vets because you still have
» well I know but how many licenses was it 100 licenses was it 50
» oh you mean >> you know I don't and I don't know if
they can numbers >> right received
» and I would also like to ask them how
manyear licenses have they come have they in fact I've already asked them I
think didn't you Ask them that, Emily. That was one of the questions. How many
three-year licenses have they taken in and how are they
» two year, two years? >> Or the two one, two or three years.
Break down how many licenses are one year, two year, or three year. And I
asked him, "Why would you do two year?" And she said, "Because we have some
people that come in from another city that has a three-year license. They've
already paid for the one year from them. And so, they're only going to be for two
years, so they only pay for two years." And so, that's why they have one, two,
and three tiered situation. >> I got a question for Jason real quick.
Get your crystal ball out. So, let's say there's 140,000 dogs in Witchah.
Not how many of them are going to a vet? Not forget the license for a second. How
many would you say percentage of those? >> Huh? Less than a half round half. So,
70. So, [clears throat] 70,000. So, the rest are just not not going to a vet.
» And that I think too comes down to >> they're going to us for emergency stuff.
But as far as >> not for the rabies shot, no. Ain't
happen. So what half? Okay. >> Well, and also we do have an awful lot
of clinics do give free rabies now. We'd have to engage in them to see how they
could get that done because we just But let's go back to what what we're going
to ask to I that's why I think that's why I think that we should because I've
got to go on to finish this thing up and poor Emily sitting there thinking please
Ellen make it a short meeting. I think that we need to have another meeting. uh
to just talk about the licensing and have it be an open meeting and invite
some of the practice managers maybe to come and and uh and give their input.
» Maybe we need to give more time to prepare for that than two weeks.
» Well, I think I say we'll do >> we can throw it out there.
» We [clears throat] can do it for three weeks, not two weeks. We can do it in
three weeks. Have a meeting in three weeks.
» Bring cookies. >> Bring cookies. I'll bring food.
» I'll bring food. You're a good cook. you can bring something. Um,
and I know that it's hard on people to to do this, but I think if that's how
you're going to do that, we're going to have to act like that. I mean, we can't
just say, "Well, let's all get together." And I think we would have a
serious issue with co with coma being, you know, sitting in this stuff because
right now we're able to talk back and forth. We can't do that on the internet.
We cannot do that on email. And so I think we just [clears throat] have to
have a meeting and uh and invite the people that are interested with some
ideas and in three weeks do you think we could talk within
» only try? >> Okay. We could put out a How about if I
generate a survey >> and how about if I generate a survey and
send it to you and have you look at it and then
» I'll put my name on. >> Don't put your name on it.
» I will put my name. >> You'll put your name on. Okay. Good.
We'll generate a survey. Okay. To send out.
» Put my name on. >> And to put your name on.
» Okay. Question number five is several people have said no reminders are being
sent out >> and that's true.
» I I have to say so who gets the reminders? Do you opt in for a reminder
like like you opted in? Right. >> Right.
» So >> did you get it?
» Well, I don't know because I just did it till next year.
» And this one is actually I did a two years. So I'm not going to know for two
years. >> Why would you opt in? It should be it
shouldn't have opted. >> Agreed. Agreed. But we if we find out
even >> I have a big suspicion on how that's not
happening for most people. We've got last year's 8,000 um things and this
year's 8,000 things or slated to be if it trend whatever. I think they're only
doing people who did license last year. So all the people who did, you know,
that because it's a process thing and they're not going to waste money sending
mail because pit dogs died and so they don't want to send out to people five
years ago who haven't sent in a license. But if licenses have gone down so much
that they're only sending it to the hardcore I'm going to give you my money
if I have to shove it down your throat people. Then those are only the people
who are getting reminders anymore and that's why nobody's seeing reminders.
It's a it's a process issue and so they're sending them
» if they were if we're going to ask the veterinarians how many get reminders.
How many of their their clients get I don't believe that they're sending them
out. I hate to say this, >> but I don't believe they're sending them
out. >> And if your dog died, is there and you
get a reminder? >> Is there a way to on there it says the
dog has been deceased? Yes. Okay. Yes, >> it has. Yes,
» it's supposed to be on the reminder. >> It used to be there.
» Okay. inter led with that she is the president
of when which is the independent neighborhoods for all of Witchah and she
has a page and she could get that information out for us some
» plus we've got um College Hills the neighborhood that I live in and we've
got the big um thing at the pool coming up and why can't we talk to people have
people come with little things saying hey did you remember we actually do have
licensing and here's what it goes four and
» I've actually been invited to a neighborhood association in district 4
to to kind of update because they've never really been talked to about even
all the changes and so uh we're going to be scheduling that and before and I I I
speak at the DAB and this is to you guys about every two or three months an
update at the district advisory board what's going on and that would once we
kind of have some ideas, I would really encourage to do that. And then when I
first got on, I did email um everyone who had a neighborhood
association or an HOA and I actually got invited to a couple of events to hand
out uh information and I got pamphlets from the shelter and and so we're
supposed to be doing some education and and I would encourage
» and and we can once we get that >> Where is that? Oh, I'm sorry. So
» off topic. >> What's that?
» The flyer. >> The flyer.
» Oh, flyer. Oh, for this. >> Well, no,
» it does talk about licensing though. Talks about just what we
» Does talk about anything about license? I don't
» I don't think it did. >> I don't know.
» I'd have to go look, but and and I know that we're going to update some of those
flyers >> and flyers or there's a flyer marketing
has a flyer in our lobby just for license
» for licensing. Can you send that to us? We only have dog license. Well, you mean
like not other random city licenses, >> but 80 licenses. So, is there one just
for dog license? >> Yeah.
» Cool. >> Can you send could do email copy that
email? Sure. >> Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go
ahead because we do have so getting kind of close and I'm just going like this.
Um, no, that's I'm not I'm just I'm just
kidding. You weren't doing that. Um, then can I make a motion that we agree
to meet in three weeks? We have to find out the time and the
place and it has to be on I can well Stephanie
she's not with us anymore. Stephanie can send out something uh
whatever or else I'll do it until next meeting. I don't know. But we do need to
we you know this has been going on too long and we need to start looking at it
[clears throat] >> and uh this is a good good thing that's
come up here. >> Three weeks would be August 5th.
» I mean if we could make it exactly halfway in between or okay that would be
good. >> July and September.
» Okay. >> Halfway in between September.
» That would be the n Whoops. >> That'd be four weeks.
» That' be the 12th. And by that time, maybe we would have time to to really do
a good show. >> Come up with something a draft and then
Okay.
» And I'm gonna send you guys what they sent us. And I think you're going to be
shocked. >> Well,
they're going to be shocked with with what they sent to the veterinarians
because there's two things that you got to do and you got to do one then you got
to go into another thing. You got to import into subject. It's a mess.
» Okay. There's eight Wednesdays between this meeting and the next.
» So it would be it so we'd either do it the 12th or the 19th would either be the
fourth or fifth week. >> Uh
» 12th >> 12th.
» Okay. Uh and so we'll do the we'll do the 12th and see. Um I'll send out
» Well, we can What's What do you guys I don't need to send out I think because
we've got everyone but Stephanie here. Yeah, you just send it. We Well, send it
to me and then you can send it to everybody else too as a CC.
» Okay. CC survey. >> No, no, no.
» Talking points for veterinarians. >> Oh, I Yes, I can do that.
» Okay. So, >> so we have five questions. I think
» we have five questions for them. Yeah, that was it.
» Licensing. >> I have licensing the the money, how
they're paying payment options, which covers quite a bit of um how can we make
it easier for the vets to submit info the break. Okay, that's question number
three is the breakdown um between digital checks in the mail um or how
many came through the vets. And then question number four is how many one,
two, and threeear licenses. And then number five is on the reminders.
» Okay. Well, I would do a number six one. I'm gonna say what do they think would
be could would help them. So I would suggest
» Okay. >> What could you what information could
you give us that would make your job easier? Okay. So that would be this the
next one. >> Can I can I recommend just I'm not
trying to change but no it's what you're wanting to ask which is how how can what
are your recommendations for getting licenses back to the 40,000 license
level. >> That's that's
not the quite that's not the >> Can you repeat what you said?
» Okay. Say what would make >> what would make their job easier to get
this taken care of and then >> participation. Yeah. Awesome.
» And then they could say, "What do they recommend we do too?" So that would be
two different questions. >> Well, I'm my question is what what do
they think they can do? >> Yes.
» In their changing in their process to get
» Yeah. >> I mean, they know their process. They
know >> 40,000 is to 8,000 is a huge change.
What they can give suggestions to you guys and how they think they can get
back up to 40,000. I would think they're professionals. Let them problem solve.
» Okay. So, the problem that we have now is that we've got some questions.
Hopefully, you can type them up and send them out to everybody, but we cannot
talk about it. Okay. Because we cannot do anything. I mean, we can talk three
and three, >> but we're can we can talk, but but so
that's why we need to have a committee because we can't do this. We cannot do
this by the by email. We can't because it's going to end up getting us in
trouble because people are going to be saying, "What about this? What about
this?" And all a sudden we have discussion over not the same questions,
but we have a discussion over the same agenda item. Okay.
» If we get the answers [clears throat] >> and one of us has questions on the
answer, we could always send it to Emily >> and she can send it on.
» I don't know. We can do that. We cannot do that. But
you could you could just email Jan, but you can't email the rest of us.
» But then but then that's that's coming back and forth. That is that is a
meeting. Okay. If Jan answers it and answers all of us, that's breaks or even
for that breaks coma. So I will I'll verify this. But I'll tell you what they
say. You don't even you know you you >> I'm not saying that we that we send our
questions to all of us. I'm saying if we have a question on the
response, we could send it to Jan or to Jan or or
» but I think I think that the question should be all it should not be just an
individual here and here and here and we don't I think it should be a questions
that come as a poll. Okay. So let's just what's going to happen is we're going to
go ahead and have a meeting in in a month. Okay. Time and place will be
determined >> and and do we think we'll have answers
to those questions at that time? No. Well,
» I hope so. Why would we not? We can send those away.
» We can talk about send those to Emily to send to
Emily and Jen. Will you take those >> and send those to them? Okay. And tell
them that we would like answers by the next meeting which would be
» 12th of August. >> August.
What was >> I saw? What was your question for what
did you >> Well, I I was trying I thought I was
trying to get to the same place, but but it's what would their recommendation be
» how to get licensing back up to previous high levels of 40,000 licenses? What are
their re process recommendations? And it would whether that's email reminders of
past or working I mean whatever. What are their recommendations for getting
back up to past higher levels? >> It's somewhat same. I'm just saying what
that's I'm trying to say what how is it going
to be made easier? Okay. How can we do that? Because I'm saying
» recommendations to make this >> what what is what is the most difficult
thing about this that's hard for you to do or something like that.
» Yeah. So I have two on that. I have what would make your job easier? What
obstacles you >> face? That's a good What obstacles do
you face? That's a good That's a good way of putting it.
» Yeah. So, I think that there are two two parts of it.
» Do you have any recommendations? >> What do you think about how things come
into >> Okay.
» I know we elected you first chair for a reason. [laughter]
» Okay. >> We have seven questions.
» Okay. And you're going to send those? >> I will send all of us to
» CC. Yeah, just send them all and that should be maybe by the end of the week.
» Oh yeah. >> Okay.
» Um and I'll send you what I've got.
» Okay. Any other questions? We got to go on because almost to leave and I've just
got a few more things to go over. >> I have one question. The animals that
get reclaimed from the Witcht Animal Shelter, uh, when they go out to the the
door with their owners, are they required to buy a license?
» Yes, they are. >> Yes, they are. So, when a when an animal
is picked up by animal control, you can buy when an animal's picked up, they
pay, if it's not spay or neuter, they pay a $75 spay and neuter. They pay a
$15 license fee and they pay for a rabies vac. No, they don't. Yeah, they
do pay for $25 for a rabies vaccination. And then they also have to pay whatever
else cost. >> Well, and I would say that they pay the
$15 for the for the license, but that doesn't mean that they get the license.
They still have to go proof because a lot of times, well, most of the time
animals are licensed. They also don't have rabies or they don't have anything
they need. >> And that's and we get
» and so they have to go get the rabies or get them spayed neutered and then they
can get the actual license. But I don't know that a lot of them get back.
» Well, we get the ones that come in from city vouchers from you guys. They get
everything because we tell them that we say, "Okay, now did you pay for the
rabies? Did you pay for the for the spade duter?" And no, the license
doesn't come to us with that. But now that you got the rabies that said the
license is free of course you take all this stuff and you've already paid for
the license, but you have to take it back. So that we do that on a regular
basis. Okay. Okay. Any questions? Okay. We're going to go on with just I I
presented last time I presented a a uh something that you guys couldn't read
and so I I peaceiled it and I want to talk to you about the KGA AFI
regulations uh that are changing and I mean I'm so frustrated I don't know what
to say because I found out more information. So this is a process that
has to go through. Uh it no it was not we did not have any regulations that
went live at all. that was the program that allowed them to um do this by email
instead of tape and page. And so I think Stephanie was a little confused about
that. But on September 2025, the uh the regulations were submitted by the state
agency to the department. They went to the state agency. Then they went to the
department of administration. They passed through that. They went to the
attorney general's. And guess what happened? the attorney general found out
something was not right with the with the recommendation. So they sent them
all the way back to the state agency. Okay. And so now they went back to the
state agency. They are went through the department of administration and as of
today they're stuck in the AG's office, the attorney the
attorney general's office and um nobody knows what's going on with those
regulations except hopefully KPA has filed a coma requirement
uh for what the new regulations look like because they started off in one
way. They went through here the attorney general said uh oh there's a problem
with this and we don't like it. So they sent it back. So they made some changes
then they sent all the way back and now we want to know whether those changes
are going to be sufficient or not. Then they still have to go through a bunch of
different things. So I just want to let you know that the regulations as of I
think it was in 2022 or no 2023 when pay when they when they
» kicked everybody's behind because they decided they wanted to be really nasty.
And so the uh regulations that determine all these terrible things that rescues
and shelters have to do are still stuck in the AG's office. Still stuck in the
AG's office. It's so frustrating. But this is a this a whole deal about how
what these things go through. And um if if they get to this the uh step four um
if they get through and go through step four, step five, then the regulations
will be made public to the public and then there'll be a public hearing and
then if that doesn't go back, they can also then go back and go go return to
step two. Okay. So, it's just frustrating. It's just real frustrating.
So, um they're not they're not anywhere. is you know if you know us if you know
someone if you can contact your you know senate your senator or your
representative >> is this the one and which can you just
for the record say which one you're talking about which
» this is the regulations this is all the regulations
» all the regulations >> for k for AFI against and I say against
because I feel it's against uh animals in the animal shelters um about
requirements that they can't be moved here or there neonatals have to starve
to death >> that's what I Yeah.
» No, the neonatals, the neonates, but they're not regul They not regulations.
They were ordinance and that failed. Okay. So, that does not go included in
the regulations. Yes. >> Just got a couple quick things. Um, I
had a crown drilled on today. So, if I said or made nonsense at times, the
dentist may have went a little too far up into my roof of my mouth and the
novacane might have penetrated my cranium. Um,
in July of 2015 is when the animal board started, July of 2015. So, we're talking
11 years ago. Um, and Stephanie and I were the only two individuals who have
been to every meeting since then. And then also, Chief Snow is reti retiring
in uh August if you haven't heard. And she's coming to speak to me neighborhood
on um the 20th of uh July. and then Grand View Metal Arc on the 21st and uh
we're making her a cake a bulk night and uh and we're going to send her off uh
into her retirement. >> Okay. And they hired one of somebody
today. >> You know who it was?
» Chief Meyers and he's out of Houston. I believe he's second in command in
Houston. >> Out of out of state.
» It'll be on at 56. Okay. >> It'll be on at 56.
» Do I hear a motion to adjurnn? >> I move we adjourn. I'll second.
» All those in favor?