[0:00] She I don't know. She
>> Oh, well, I'll take purple then.
[0:06] » Thank you.
>> What happened to my little one? You gave
[0:09] me a little teeny tiny one.
>> Well, they do tell us
[0:16] he gave me a little
[0:23] besides
[1:03] Hello. Can you hear me?
>> Can you hear us?
[1:08] » Yes, I can hear you.
[1:17] » Hold on. Here's a pen.
>> Give that to her. Get that to her.
[1:21] That's my Broadway pen. I like
back.
[1:27] » [clears throat]
[1:29] » We just don't have anyone to come to our
meetings anymore. They'd be so
[1:33] interesting.
[1:37] » Boring is not bad.
>> No,
[1:43] a little extra boring.
[1:48] » Last time we had a Witchita documentary
documentary. Are you familiar with them?
[1:54] I didn't really there was a person was
sitting right up there
[1:57] » and I didn't see that she documented
anything for us. I tried to look online
[2:01] and I didn't you see anything about
them?
[2:04] » I've been to other meetings where they I
don't know if they I think they just
[2:08] keep records. I'm not sure they actually
>> well they had they had one on
[2:16] » I can't remember it was
>> I think whatever they have volunteers
[2:20] for they had certain
[2:39] Give this to Jan and she give it to
anyone. This is one for you. And
[2:47] » is Emma coming? She said she was sick
and I told her not to come. She was
[2:52] coming.
>> I know. She was told by and I said he
[2:56] didn't trust me.
>> You said you're sick. It's not really a
[3:00] question.
>> Well, don't sit too close to her because
[3:02] she's still sitting.
>> I told her I said give her.
[3:06] » Yeah. I told her to stay away from me.
>> Yeah. You don't need You don't need
[3:10] whatever she's got.
>> No.
[3:13] » [clears throat]
[3:15] » So, I'm gonna wait for Emily.
>> Jason coming or
[3:20] » Yes, he's coming. Uh he's uh he said he
might be actually he may be a little bit
[3:25] late because he's his his uh office
hours have changed. So, he's working on
[3:30] Wednesdays now. And but he says he just
has to to get everything signed up. So,
[3:36] he thought he could make it. I told him
that we probably wouldn't get to much of
[3:40] anything.
[3:44] Here he comes.
>> Yay. Here you come. How are you doing?
[3:49] » Good.
[3:56] » I don't know.
[4:02] I've had and this is the only two things
that she's handed out to us before we go
[4:07] back,
>> I guess. I don't know.
[4:16] » So, we're gonna wait for Emily to come
um because she's
[4:22] sort of integral to this. Emily is the
is the manager of the animal shelter.
[4:27] » Have you met her?
>> Have you been to the animal shelter?
[4:32] » Oh, no.
>> You have and you met Emily?
[4:35] » No, I haven't.
>> You should call Emily and have her take
[4:38] you on a tour and visit. I think that'd
be very wise. I think if you're wanting
[4:42] to learn a lot, that'd be the best way
to do it.
[4:57] Yeah.
[5:15] » I was
[5:20] I believe.
[5:27] » Hey, Alan.
[5:48] So that's why I
[6:03] » did that to buy home.
>> No, no, no. That was
[6:09] I think
[6:13] » Oh, yeah.
[6:17] » Yeah.
[6:40] take you to
move them out.
[6:52] out west
[7:13] sake. Well,
[7:24] Not for sissies.
[7:36] We're asking
[7:50] » you by word.
[7:55] Oh yeah.
[8:06] » I guess I understand that W's the worst
for
[8:16] [clears throat]
[8:21] me.
That's not good. You must be really
[8:26] sick.
[8:34] » I had to figure out how to get
[8:50] » that.
[9:12] Well, you can you can qualify itchy skin
as pain.
[9:19] I just don't think you were in a spot at
that time to make change.
[9:36] » It should be
[9:42] » as long as I think ahead.
[9:50] That's part of
>> now. Let me look for something that I
[9:53] think will be here.
>> Sometimes I'm not kidding.
[9:58] » We hope Emily has not been pulled over
for drunk driving because she's taking
[10:02] some medication. [laughter]
>> No, I'm not kidding. I just just
[10:05] kidding. Just kidding.
>> Ellen, don't you remember that when we
[10:10] did the bylaws, we made it where you're
supposed to raise your hand when you
[10:14] vote? Yes, absolutely.
>> It's not in there and we can't find it.
[10:19] » You're kidding me. Who's in?
>> Well, I think that we can go over the
[10:23] minutes and probably pick it up from the
minute. I think
[10:27] we're gonna I'm gonna say that's a
[10:32] » jam behind that door.
[10:36] » When we did the bylaws, we did say that
we wanted people to raise their hands
[10:40] when they vote.
[10:44] I don't disagree. I just don't remember.
>> Okay. Well, because it's not in the
[10:47] bylaws right now.
>> Are those
[10:54] » I think the chair should be able to
>> by you have
[10:58] » I would go back and compare to your last
copy.
[11:01] » Well, there that's what she that's what
Susan's doing.
[11:05] » Okay, we're gonna start this meeting.
How are you doing, Emily?
[11:09] » How are you doing, Emily?
ill.
[11:13] » Okay. No, I you should have been in full
garb. You know, [laughter]
[11:18] Emily's been sick and she's coming to me
not feeling very well.
[11:21] » So,
>> is there time for my report?
[11:23] » I'm sorry. We [clears throat] haven't
even started.
[11:25] » No, we're just waiting. Yes. Go ahead.
[11:33] » And and
>> I I want to do some housekeeping real
[11:36] quick.
>> Okay. So, I brought these right here
[11:40] because if it isn't in our ordinance, it
should be. Uh me and Stephanie will tell
[11:46] you, she's been to every meeting, too,
since July of 2015 when this started.
[11:51] And they used to vote and they get done
and say it was unanimous or 4:1 or 5 to2
[11:57] or whatever. And I'm like, I didn't even
hear anyone or anything. So, we tried to
[12:00] put it in the the deal to uh raise your
hand. Well, I've went one better. So if
[12:06] you could see this, if you really
strongly and you you you want to be bold
[12:12] and strong, you you you raise your hand
and be proud of that. If if it's so so
[12:17] you but you're voting for it here and
then if it's 51% bring it down here. So
[12:23] but I would like that everyone use
these. You don't have to do my little
[12:28] all this, but just just raise it so Oh,
no. We can
[12:31] » you're proud So you're proud of your
vote.
[12:36] And you know what? You could be the
caretaker of the
[12:38] » Yes. I'll take them at the end and bring
if you give me the the things.
[12:45] » There you go.
>> I I cannot find those. I'm so sorry.
[12:48] » Give me those. I'll bring those, too.
>> Yeah. So, that is my bad. I put them
[12:53] away in a place I wouldn't forget. And
guess what?
[12:58] I haven't been able to find them. I'm
Maybe someone moved them. I don't know.
[13:05] But our board is so little.
We don't have a very big board yet. We
[13:10] don't we won't ever have a big board.
>> While we're waiting, why don't we just
[13:14] go around the the board? I'm George Theo
Harris from District Three.
[13:19] » Susan Richardson, the mayor's
representative. Ellen Corner, district
[13:24] one.
>> Nancy Bradley, district four.
[13:27] » Jason Albertson, JB Johnson's district
>> district five.
[13:31] » There you go. Okay. Shame on you.
>> Shame on you. [clears throat]
[13:35] » Kick me out.
>> No,
[13:37] » I'm fired.
>> And Stephanie McCarti is from
[13:40] » And she's That's Stephanie. Hi,
Stephanie. And she's from District 2.
[13:44] She's on She's on vacation, I think. So,
she's behind you.
[13:50] » I am not on vacation. I'm traveling for
work.
[13:53] » Okay. Well, I didn't know. That's good.
Better that you be on vacation, I'm
[13:59] sure.
[14:05] Okay. Okay. We'd like to start the
meeting. Um, I'm going to call the
[14:10] meeting to order. And the first thing
that we need to to do on this meeting is
[14:13] to approve the minutes from last
meeting. And Stephanie, you had a
[14:18] question. [clears throat]
>> I have a Yes, I have a correction to the
[14:23] person who's absent. We list Patricia as
absent and she is no longer on the
[14:28] board. I have replaced her. So, we need
to have that struck from last month's
[14:32] minutes, please. Thank you.
>> Then I have a correction,
[14:38] and I think the vets would kill me if
they put red as the way it was.
[14:43] » Yeah. Anyhow, it's on page two, and it's
under presented by Theo Harrison Corner,
[14:50] and it's the second um little dot and it
says veterinarians made it more
[14:55] difficult. And what I said was they make
it more difficult. And I think when I
[15:00] talked to um Healey, she said she
thought since I was talking about the
[15:04] veterinarians that I was thinking about
the veterinarians and I wasn't. Did you
[15:07] read that? Did you notice that already?
And so I talked to her. I think we can
[15:12] say they and then in parentheses the
city is making it more difficult. And
[15:16] the reason I said that is because of the
Excel file they sent because we wanted
[15:20] to make it simplified. So I'd like to
have that change to take it off. It's
[15:24] not the veterinarians although we need
to get them to get on board. the process
[15:29] process.
>> Yeah, the process
[15:31] » and there there needs to be an addition
too. Um I was stating that I had sent an
[15:38] email to Emily
um about licenses and
[15:45] she uh told me that I needed to get with
licensing or the police department or
[15:52] and licensing won't talk with me. So,
it's not because I've been rude to them
[15:58] either. Oh, I've asked some questions
they did not want to give me answers to,
[16:01] but they was never being rude. So,
that's not in the report here. And I
[16:07] have email to document that. That's uh
they're tying our hands and we just
[16:14] can't have that.
>> So, are you saying that you want that
[16:18] added or is it
>> Yes, please.
[16:20] » And where would you add that? Where
would it be?
[16:25] Oh, it was near the end. Near the end,
remember?
[16:29] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Um,
[16:34] what I'm going to do is I'm going to uh
defer approving the minutes until we can
[16:40] come in and get them corrected and then
bring it back to us. Does that make
[16:42] sense?
>> I think people are asking for quite a
[16:45] few things, especially what you're
asking for.
[16:47] » And I could send her the emails and and
she could just she don't she don't have
[16:51] to look at nothing. Well, it's what you
said in it's not the email
[16:55] » I read. So I read them out of the
meeting.
[16:58] » Yeah. So the email that I read.
>> So do I have a second to defer the
[17:04] approval of the minutes till next
meeting.
[17:08] » All those in favor raise your hands.
Okay.
[17:14] Stephanie.
>> Oh, Stephanie,
[17:18] are you there?
>> I'm here.
[17:21] How did you vote on deferring the
minutes?
[17:23] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[17:26] » If I vote no, I'll put it in the chat so
Keley will know.
[17:31] » Okay. But we want to know, not just Ke
because Key is not here.
[17:34] » Okay. Just say yes or no on anything
that we vote on. Okay. Okay. The next up
[17:40] is our um
is Emily um on uh
[17:50] animal services report and we got a
chair up here. Do you want to just do it
[17:53] if you do back there? I don't know if
you're going to be able to be heard.
[17:56] » Can you guys hear me?
>> Well, it's whether they can hear you.
[18:01] » Stephanie, can you hear me?
>> Yes.
[18:06] [clears throat]
I'd rather not germ everybody up.
[18:11] All right. Um
>> closer to June.
[18:14] » Yeah.
The So you guys have the report that has
[18:20] May and June on it since we were last
here.
[18:24] And our intake for cats in May was 309
and 444 in June. Intake for dogs was 430
[18:33] in May and 441 in June. Um we're right
around average numbers for last year. Uh
[18:40] but our overall euthanasia rate for dogs
is lower. Cats pretty much race remains
[18:46] the same. But the bulk of the euthanasia
for cats uh is still neonates or those
[18:52] that have been badly injured.
Unfortunately with a heavy
[18:55] overpopulation pro problem of mostly
unowned cats I believe um they get
[19:01] injured a lot and that's a mercy
euthania isn't a big category for us.
[19:08] » Any questions on the regular do or on
the regular
[19:13] um I just have a question uh is this
higher this year or lower this year than
[19:18] than years before
>> on intake? on intakes. Are we taking in
[19:22] more animals or less animals?
>> About the same. It It's really very
[19:26] close.
>> Very close. Okay.
[19:30] » Any other questions?
[19:34] No questions.
Are there any question on this?
[19:43] The next report is the dangerous dogs
report. Um it's also published on the
[19:47] website now. So, I I'll refraining from
reading it for you guys, but just take a
[19:52] look at those and let me know if you
have any questions about anything.
[20:02] And I guess I'm going to ask the same
thing. Um, maybe it would be helpful if
[20:07] we had some sort of of comparison.
>> I remember. Yes, I I'll bring that next
[20:12] time.
>> Okay. Yeah, because it'd be nice to know
[20:15] whether we're going up or down on stuff.
>> I had a question. It says uh in May
[20:20] there were more euthanas than intakes.
>> Whoa, that doesn't sound good.
[20:25] » On dangerous dogs.
>> Yes.
[20:27] » Okay. So, um and this one's a this is a
kind of wonky because it doesn't exactly
[20:34] spell out what is happening very clearly
just in a statistic.
[20:39] » Okay. So dangerous dogs can exist in
these these four categories are aren't
[20:45] necessarily all related to the same
animals.
[20:48] So for example um and and this is done
and it's done by calendar month. So
[20:55] maybe I took a dangerous dog in on May
30th to the shelter, but that dangerous
[21:01] dog's outcome might have been a
euthanatia or it might have gone back
[21:05] home. Um, it might that dangerous dog's
uh intake could also be determined
[21:12] nothing further. So maybe it didn't end
up with a dangerous dog determination,
[21:15] but it came in as a dangerous dog
designation.
[21:19] And then the outcomes for that same
month, let's say that it was euthanized.
[21:24] Um, that process takes several weeks
typically before we make our
[21:29] determination. The person has time to
come back with it. So, the intake isn't
[21:33] necessarily going to add up to the
euthanasia number at the same time. And
[21:39] um there are situations some sometimes
also where we're doing a dangerous dog
[21:44] investigation, but we aren't in taking
the animal specifically into our
[21:47] facility. It may be at a veterinarian.
It may be um at doing its home
[21:53] quarantine for something that we are
going to assume is going to be something
[21:57] nothing further and we're not requiring
that it come into the shelter while we
[22:00] complete the investigation.
Um there there's just a lot of different
[22:06] variables in that. So it doesn't
necessarily equal out to the same.
[22:10] » And two, doesn't your euthanasia include
like if a citizen brings a pet in
[22:16] » right you didn't intake it. Do you you
do you do an intake on those or do you
[22:23] » um not typically those are gonna those
are going to be the um d the next
[22:28] category which is dangerous dog. XUP
stands for uh owner surrender in our
[22:35] um and and so those those mean that the
owner brought it to us. We didn't
[22:43] necessarily complete a full
investigation because the owner is
[22:47] saying, you know, this dog maybe it
attacked my f my child. It needs to be
[22:52] euthanized. And so we wouldn't conduct
an investigation on that one, but it
[22:55] would count towards the euth.
>> So those inverted numbers probably would
[23:00] have made more sense for cats since they
have nine lives.
[23:07] [clears throat]
[laughter]
[23:09] » That's his voice. You do add humor. You
do add humor. Um, any other questions of
[23:15] the report.
No questions. Thank you very much. And
[23:20] you can put your head down and rest if
you want to.
[23:25] » Okay. Next on the agenda on the the is
public comment.
[23:31] And I don't have Who's can you bring up
the public comment or someone bring up
[23:35] the public? Who signed up for public
comment?
[23:40] very much.
[23:46] » We just have one. We have such a few
public comments and Tony Wman.
[23:51] » Thank you. Um yeah, I I agree. There's
hardly anybody here. There used to be
[23:56] people from Humane Society. I don't
know, six or seven police officers. Um
[24:01] people from the shelter, not just the
shelter supervisor. And now here we are.
[24:07] Nobody. Um, I wanted to follow up. Um, I
missed the meeting in May, but I was at
[24:15] the meeting in March, and I did make a
public comment then that I want to
[24:20] follow up on, and it has to do with all
of the animals who are leaving this area
[24:26] going to rescue, but we don't know what
rescue they're going to. Um Emily told
[24:35] me in March that they were going the
cats were going to Missouri and
[24:38] Wisconsin
and I'm wondering so they have a
[24:43] scarcity of cats in Missouri and
Wisconsin.
[24:46] » Yeah, we're not going to have any
questions.
[24:48] » Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Anyway, that was my comment. They have a
[24:51] that I was wondering, you know, do they
have a scarcity? And one of the reasons
[24:56] that I bring this up again is because
first of all, there's been no
[25:03] At least I haven't seen any resolution
to at least knowing where they're going.
[25:08] But there's been a lot of public
information about a place called
[25:13] Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna, California.
And this is a rescue where um they went
[25:21] in and this place had been receiving
animals uh cats and dogs from area
[25:27] rescues and shelters and what have you.
They couldn't adopt them out. They were
[25:31] fundraising on them, making hundreds of
thousands of dollars and then killing
[25:35] the animals. And so they found graves of
hundreds of dogs and cats that have been
[25:42] killed over a certain amount of time.
It's called Miranda's Rescue in Fortuna,
[25:48] California. I urge everybody to Google
that. And [clears throat]
[25:53] if you don't know for sure that your
animals are going to a good rescue, it
[25:59] might be going to a horrible death. You
don't know that. So that's comment.
[26:06] Thank you very much. Okay. I didn't even
turn on my stopwatch.
[26:11] Off you go. That concludes new business.
Um I mean that concludes the public new
[26:18] business. We're going to have election
of officers and I'd like to start that
[26:22] off with the election of the chairperson
and I would like to make a nomination
[26:27] that Stephanie Mccernie um uh be elected
as our next chairperson. I'm worn out.
[26:35] Is there a second?
>> Well, no. Is there any more?
[26:38] » No. No, we have to. No. Okay. Are there
any? You're going to second it. Okay.
[26:43] Are there any other nominations for the
chairperson?
[26:46] » Yes. I make a nomination that you stay
as chair.
[26:50] » I'm not going to do that. I have too
much to do. I have too much and
[26:53] Stephanie is a very good person. She can
run a meeting very very well.
[26:58] Are there any other nominations?
I close the nominations. Is there any
[27:03] input? Can we have input from the from
the floor or do we not do that during so
[27:09] glad you're here?
>> The board first and then the floor. I
[27:12] would say
>> you would have on an election, you
[27:14] wouldn't have input from the citizens.
It would just be the
[27:20] » You wouldn't have input from the
>> Okay, that's I didn't know that. Okay.
[27:23] Are there any discussion about this?
>> All I want to say is we've been there,
[27:28] done that, and um
if uh
[27:38] all I'm going to say, been there, done
that. Any
[27:42] other comments?
I'm going to bring it to a vote. All
[27:46] those in favor of Stephanie being the
chairperson, raise your purple or orange
[27:51] hand, purple and your orange hand.
All those opposed.
[27:58] Okay, there's one, two, three, four,
four. Stephanie.
[28:01] » Oh, Stephanie. Do you want to vote for
yourself?
[28:05] » Yes, I'll vote for myself. Thank you.
>> Okay. [laughter] Okay. One, two, three,
[28:10] four, five, five, four, and one against.
So Stephanie, you're the new
[28:14] chairperson. Now, I have a question. I'm
going to go ahead and go through the
[28:18] rest of the the nominations, but should
Stephanie take over the meeting now or
[28:21] should I continue with the meeting and
have Stephanie take over the next
[28:24] meeting?
>> I would have her take over the next
[28:26] meeting.
>> The next meeting. Okay. All right.
[28:29] » Okay.
>> Yes. [clears throat]
[28:32] » I make a motion, Susan, to be the the
vice chair.
[28:37] » Okay. So that was the next thing up for
the first V. We have two vice chairs.
[28:42] Okay. Okay. So we have a motion for
Susan to be the first vice chair.
[28:47] » Can Susan clarify something?
>> Yes.
[28:50] » Is there a sequence to the vice chair or
is just like level like is there first
[28:55] vice chair, second vice chair?
>> First vice chair, second vice chair.
[28:59] » I declined to be first vice chair.
>> Okay. Yes.
[29:03] » Make a motion that Jason be the first
vice chair.
[29:07] Ah, you're up. [laughter]
Okay. A second. I second that. I second
[29:13] that. Is there any other nominations for
vice chair?
[29:18] Stephanie.
Okay. Uh then we'll close the
[29:22] nominations and we'll take a vote. All
those in favor of Jason being our first
[29:25] vice chair, raise your hand.
>> Okay. That's one, two, three, four, and
[29:32] raise it like [laughter] that.
>> Yes.
[29:34] » Yes.
>> Yes. Good. Okay. Well, that's um that is
[29:40] uh nomish. Okay. Five to zero.
>> Make a motion that the second vice chair
[29:47] is Susan.
>> That's six to zero. Helen.
[29:51] » Oh, six to zero.
>> It's five here. That's why six because
[29:54] she's Yeah.
>> Okay. Six to Thank you for correcting
[29:58] me.
>> Second, Vice Chair Susan,
[30:00] » now that it's been clarified.
>> I'm willing to be second. You're willing
[30:04] to be a second.
I will second that nomination. Is any
[30:09] discussion?
You two can hash it out. Okay.
[30:13] [laughter]
No, I'm not kidding.
[30:17] » I would like to know if you ever took
the tour of the shelter with Emily.
[30:21] » I have not taken the the tour with
Emily. [clears throat]
[30:27] » I probably need to find time to do that,
too.
[30:29] » And you need to, too. Okay. Well, I
think that that I think you missed the
[30:33] one tour that they gave that they didn't
know that happened. Um,
[30:38] » I I took a tour of the shelter with
Ellen. So, I have been to the shelter,
[30:44] but have not been to the shelter with
Ellen.
[30:48] » We'll do it sometime. It'll work out. I
think maybe you can go together and take
[30:52] that tour.
>> Ellen, are there any more nominations?
[30:56] » Yes, I know. Are there any more
nominations?
[31:00] All those in favor, raise your hand.
[31:05] Stephanie,
[31:09] » yes or no? Stephanie?
>> Yes. Sorry.
[31:14] » Is it yes?
>> Yes.
[31:16] » Okay. All those against, one against.
Okay. So, that's one, two, three, four,
[31:22] five, four, and one again. And one name.
So, uh,
[31:28] you're on. you're on. And Stephanie, I
can't wait for you to take over next
[31:32] month, next meeting. Okay. You do a good
job.
[31:36] Okay. Now then, the next thing up is um
the uh
[31:44] new is the old business. And I guess I'm
up on this. I've handed out a packet for
[31:48] you. And Stephanie, did you get I sent
you what we're what I'm handing out,
[31:52] which is just an overview of the of the
uh uh of the things that were voted for
[31:58] and against. Did you get that today?
>> Yes, I got it.
[32:03] » Well, you did get one, but you have that
from the last year from the last
[32:07] meeting. Okay. Um
I contacted I'm not I contact Alejandro
[32:16] AIO. I think that's her name, how she
pronounces it with the bin. Is it Casio?
[32:20] Do you know Jan Alejandra? Anyhow, I
asked for an update for the number of
[32:26] licenses that came in in the second
quarter, which would be the total for
[32:29] the for the first uh I guess for the
first two quarters or the half a year in
[32:35] the licensing. And I'm going to recoup
this. I'm going to remind I don't think
[32:39] you're here. I'm going to just go over a
few things. Um when we and George when
[32:44] George I asked to see how the licensing
was doing after they they uh um approved
[32:51] some of the different things that we had
recommended in 2024 which was before it
[32:56] was approved they had 15,28
licenses with a revenue of $268,981.
[33:04] They also had eight veterinarians on
board. Um they had in 2025 they had
[33:10] seven veterinarians on board and that
number dropped from 9,000 to 9,544
[33:18] with a revenue of 1841
$184 that $184,000
[33:25] and86 and800 $184,869
uh dollars of income. So the income
[33:33] dropped not totally in half but it
dropped consistently and the numbers uh
[33:38] almost dropped in half.
>> Is this number how many licensed during
[33:41] that year?
>> Yes, this is during the year.
[33:44] » What if some of those 15,000 in 2024 did
a three-year license?
[33:48] » They didn't have that ability to because
it well they could have at the very
[33:52] beginning. Okay. And we that's a
question that I have. Okay. That's a
[33:55] question I ask the license department.
How many are are three years and how
[33:59] many are are just one year or two years?
because they do have a one, two or three
[34:03] year and I'll discuss that a little bit
later. Okay. And then what we saw and so
[34:08] it went into effect the end of 2024.
Is that correct? I think it was approved
[34:15] in September of 13.
September 13 of 2024. And but some of it
[34:21] did not go into I don't know if they did
the three-year not until the 1 of 2025.
[34:27] » Right. That's correct.
>> So that so that just sort of started in
[34:30] 2025. Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you. And then in 2026 up to
[34:34] date, we have 3,95
[34:39] licenses with the amount of 78,800.
>> Can you repeat that number?
[34:45] » Okay. 3,95
licenses, excuse me, licenses.
[34:51] 78,800 [clears throat]
[34:54] taken in. Now,
>> how many vets?
[34:57] » Oh, three. Three veterinarians. And I
don't know if that has changed. U Emily,
[35:03] do you know if it's changed? That's I
got this from Alejandra. I contacted her
[35:07] and she was very kind and got this phone
last week.
[35:10] » Yeah.
[35:15] » So, um, we were all, I think, shocked at
the decrease because what we did when we
[35:22] when we put the sub together was we
wanted to make the the licensing
[35:27] increase. We wanted to get more dogs
licensed. And uh
[35:33] the next I guess I can show you this and
I should have had this for the topic. I
[35:37] I feel bad if you if you went through
the the uh PowerPoint notes that I have
[35:41] over there and shared them around.
You'll see what we're talking about, but
[35:44] I didn't have enough meds to buy enough
to print them off.
[35:49] Making notes on this, but I can share.
>> Huh? [laughter]
[35:55] » Look like there's a couple.
>> Yeah, there's more. I ran copies. I fig
[35:58] you guys pass.
>> And so the second
[36:02] » the page that you have here talks about
just a just a visual of what this looks
[36:07] like. We handed this out last meeting
and I don't think you were here at the
[36:11] last meeting, Jason. So that's why I put
this on here. And this shows the number
[36:16] of history. In about 2010, we had over
40,000 around 40,000 dogs licensed. and
[36:22] it has now dropped down to
hopefully we're going to get 8,000
[36:27] licensed maybe if we we got almost 4,000
for the first uh half year. Hopefully
[36:34] we'll get more but we don't know.
Um and then this is this is just the
[36:40] revenue showing how much it went down. I
don't have 2023. I never did get 2023
[36:46] but I think it sort of followed the
trend. And then 26 is the lowest it's
[36:50] been in 25 years I think. And this is
all information that we got through the
[36:54] subcommittee.
So
[36:58] we I I presented this at the last
meeting and I I did presented it badly.
[37:02] I should have sent some of this stuff
out previously. Um but at the last
[37:06] meeting there were some concerns about
the efficiency of the license of
[37:10] subcommittee as to what they did and uh
they wanted to know what was what were
[37:16] recommended and what was you know what
was accepted by the city. Okay.
[37:22] And so I sent out very late last night
because well yesterday afternoon because
[37:28] I ran across the the uh workshop uh
video where they discussed things. So we
[37:36] the board presented
the uh recommendations this my
[37:42] subcommittee presented the re
recommendations in May of 2023
[37:46] and uh at that time it was voted on by
the board to pass on with the vote of
[37:52] five yays one nay and one absence
abstain. So it passed and it was then
[37:58] sent on to the police department.
Now our in May of 2023
[38:04] and I looked at all the minutes because
I knew what happened but at each meeting
[38:07] we asked where the meetings were where
where are the where the recommendations
[38:10] and we really didn't get a good answer.
They said, "We don't know downtown
[38:14] someplace." And so they were sort of
stalled. And then on the
[38:20] uh I guess it was the March meeting of
2024,
[38:24] Mike, who was a chair at that time,
reported that, hey, they're going to
[38:29] start they're going to um we're in the
process and they hope to get them to the
[38:33] city council in the next week in the
next month or so. And that was at the
[38:37] March meeting. That was about a year
later.
[38:42] I just uh Googled and IA said there's
130 to 150 dogs in Witchah and IIA is
[38:50] never wrong. So if you multiply that
times 22.5
[38:55] that's about the average cost of a
license. It's 15 if it's fake and
[38:59] neutered but 50 if it's not. If you
average in all of that it's about 2250.
[39:04] So that's two point 2,925,000
[39:08] that could be collected that's not being
collected
[39:12] » and and that's something that we talked
about in this in the slides. Now then um
[39:17] in April of 2024 Jan presented for the
first time to the city um council the
[39:25] recommendations and they prior to going
for that one period of time I think that
[39:30] those recommendations were being looked
at. We we didn't expect all of the
[39:35] recommendations to pass. You know, we I
I had no no thought that they would ever
[39:39] license cats, okay? Much to much to
Georgia, but I knew that was probably
[39:44] going to be one of the things that we
kicked out. But Dan, you got with law
[39:48] department, PD, and the finance, and you
went through and looked at what
[39:53] utilities
accept. Okay. And she presented it to
[39:57] the city. And I just want I always like
to correct things when they're wrong. At
[40:01] the last meeting, it was stated that the
city council voted no on our
[40:06] recommendations, and that's not true. Uh
they were the recommendations weren't
[40:10] given to them until after the city after
PD and uh uh finance and law said we can
[40:19] accept such certain months. And um
>> but and I just want to clarify that this
[40:26] first time she presented them, they were
at a workshop, not
[40:29] » Yeah, workshop. No, it was a workshop.
I'm sorry after and it was after the PD
[40:34] had looked at these your workshop. It
was after
[40:38] » this is the first time it was presented
a workshop. I'm sorry I didn't say
[40:41] workshop. Okay. Now then
>> Excuse me. No, PD was looking at them
[40:45] before you did your workshop.
>> That's what I said. That's what I could
[40:48] that's what I asked her.
>> Yeah, but I don't think she answered it
[40:50] right.
>> She did. She shook her head. Yes.
[40:52] » No. Yeah. And and I said that that
>> Yeah, they PD looked at it. Then you
[40:55] took their recommendations and you
presented it
[40:58] » and then you went before the city
council and they voted in
[41:02] » 70. Yeah.
>> And and that was
[41:04] » they didn't vote on the recommendations.
We just presented the present.
[41:07] » No, no, not that they did later.
>> I'm let me finish George. Let me go
[41:12] through this. Okay. All right. And so um
that was in uh April of 2024.
[41:20] And uh the
the uh they were then presented after
[41:29] the workshop to the city council in
September the September 13th meeting.
[41:34] » It was August 13th.
>> August 13th. August
[41:37] » because it was the same day as
neighborhood night out.
[41:39] » Really? It was August, not September.
Okay. Well, I'm wrong.
[41:43] » Okay. I will always admit that I'm
wrong.
[41:45] » I don't know.
>> Don't worry. I sent it to you today and
[41:48] it said August 13th. So, you're fine.
That's all right. Okay. So, it was
[41:51] August 13th and they voted seven to zero
to accept all of the recommendations
[41:56] that
>> in the or they were put into
[41:58] » they were in the ordinance. Now, I have
been because I I sent the the video and
[42:03] I wanted everyone to see it because I
think that a lot of stuff was said in
[42:06] the workshop that I can't you know I
can't say everything there. But it was a
[42:12] very very good workshop. There's some
good questions. But what I did in the
[42:15] next six sheet is I printed off very
crudely their your um uh PowerPoint
[42:23] notes for the workshop. Okay. And so I
wanted to go over that because people
[42:27] want to know what was taken, what
wasn't. And so the first recommendation
[42:31] was licensing both cats and dogs. And
they said, "Hey, we got enough
[42:35] [clears throat] dogs licensing. We can't
do cats at this time." And I remember
[42:38] talking to to uh Jan about that. And she
said, "That's a good idea, but not right
[42:42] now." And so it's not like they said
never never never but maybe it is never
[42:46] never
but they said that they wouldn't do that
[42:50] at this time. So that one was one that
they didn't take with they took with the
[42:53] dogs and not the cats. And the second
one was mandatory microchipping of cats
[42:57] and dogs and this was actually put in
the the advisory board wanted to do
[43:02] that. I mean the subcommittee wanted to
do that but we didn't think we could
[43:05] until the police says hey we want you to
do that and said okay good we're going
[43:08] to put it in. So, we were real happy
about that. And that, of course, was
[43:11] supported. And then offering a
three-year license if a dog has a
[43:15] three-year vaccine and offers no refunds
for unused years. Uh we I don't think we
[43:21] put in the refund, but that was good
that we we put it in. We might have put
[43:24] that in. But anyhow, uh they supported
that. So, that went through. And then
[43:30] changing the licensing price to 15 and
50. I think there was some questions
[43:34] about it should be 20 and 40, but it
ended up being 15 and 50. Okay, 15 for
[43:40] altered and 50 for unaltered. And that
was we did that so that we could
[43:44] encourage spay and neighboring of the of
the animals because that's one thing
[43:48] that can happen. And the and the police
department supported that. And then we
[43:52] increased the three dogs and three to
two dogs and two cats and three dogs and
[43:56] three cats because a lot of us have
three dogs. I have three dogs. I hate to
[44:01] say that, but I have three dogs. Now I
have three dogs. And the and the witch
[44:05] supported the recommendation. And I
didn't think about it till I looked at
[44:07] what you said that that's going to
probably drop down some of the animal
[44:11] maintenance permits that they have to
do. So that's a plus. Okay. Because see
[44:14] before if you had three you had to get
an animal maintenance [clears throat]
[44:16] permit and now it's at four. Then they
added a dedicated employee to administer
[44:22] the pet license.
And we thought if you have someone as an
[44:25] employee that does it, you know that
that has paid $60,000. I think someone
[44:30] said that at the meeting about $16,000
and you were taking in, you know, $800
[44:35] to a million dollars that that they
could pay for themselves. But I guess
[44:38] the city doesn't believe that. They
don't. Okay. Um and the next one was
[44:43] partner with the Kansas Mayite to
vaccinate for rabies and licensed
[44:46] animals before they leave the shelter.
We haven't gotten anything. What?
[44:50] Nothing's happened with that other than
they are vaccinated for rabies. Right
[44:54] now they are, but they're not gathering.
They're not taking in a license. the
[45:01] it's really just more of an open
discussion at this point um with them
[45:05] getting a new CEO and um talk talking
about the pros and cons of how that
[45:12] impacts adoptions just with the
additional sticker costs and things like
[45:16] that. So,
>> okay. Kind of like the veterarians.
[45:19] » Yeah. So, it's just it's like it's an
open discussion. Um but
[45:24] uh just yeah, I I I don't know that
they're against it. I think that Um,
[45:29] part of the thing is too was when they
started doing the rabies was also when
[45:33] we were kind of starting this
conversation and seeing how that how the
[45:37] new, you know, online system would work
and how we can direct those. Um, I set
[45:43] up a resource computer in my lobby that
we could try to uh also help people get
[45:48] like their licenses that way. So, I
don't I mean it's it's open for
[45:52] discussion. They're not
>> Does KHS give the adopes instructions?
[45:57] » They do give them the instructions.
And so they have a new CEO. Is that an
[46:01] interim?
>> They are very close.
[46:05] » Very close. Oh,
>> yes.
[46:08] » I I heard one of the concerns about the
license was that maybe the dog didn't
[46:14] work out or cat or whatever didn't work
out, they brought back. So maybe we need
[46:17] to put some language in there that if
they bring it back 30, 60, 80, 90 days
[46:22] that that they can use that license for
another animal or something. I think
[46:27] that would maybe circumvent that
problem.
[46:32] » And something that um uh
was talked told to me by a veterinarian,
[46:39] I can't think of her name. She's cute
because [clears throat] I'm so old that
[46:42] there I think it's called a kiosk.
There's a little you know what is a
[46:45] little thing I'm old. The little square
thing that you
[46:47] » That's a QR code. a QR code that the QR
code could be set up at at the animal
[46:53] shelter and at KHS and also in
veterinarians where they just have to
[46:56] clean in there and do that. Do you have
anything like that?
[46:59] » We don't have anything like that. That'd
be easy to do.
[47:02] » Well, that the city would supply.
>> We could do that for sure.
[47:05] » Yeah. And so that would be like
>> who's going to pay for the kiosk?
[47:09] » Well, it's not QR code.
>> Okay. So they would provide us a QR code
[47:15] » and that could be on a website or we
could just scan it off of
[47:19] » that's that's what she it's um um
because she said they could do that even
[47:25] when they walked out with the animal or
whatever
[47:27] » like your archa can be printed on
>> printed on and it could be on a placard
[47:31] or sign.
>> Yeah, that's what they're saying. They
[47:33] can just do it. Okay. Anyhow, um but so
they're still working on it with the new
[47:39] staffing kai.
>> I'm sorry.
[47:43] » They're still working on that. The
reason behind that,
[47:47] George, if you recall, was that the
biggest number of animals coming into as
[47:52] new animals in the state come from the
humane society. They were our biggest
[47:57] biggest source of new and new animals
coming in and um it would be nice to get
[48:02] those on the licensing situation. What
do most rescues do when they I mean they
[48:09] make sure they have the rabies. Most of
them make sure they're stayed and
[48:12] neutered. Do they give out information
for licensing or do they
[48:17] » Well, I can't I can't
>> or does anybody ask them?
[48:22] » I can't I can't say. Well, I can't speak
for other rescues. We generally tell
[48:27] about them. Did we tell about the ones
that you took about getting them? Well,
[48:30] we knew that you would license them.
>> Maybe.
[48:34] I can't remember because she was she
adopted a lot of Dutch dogs a long time
[48:37] ago from us and you adopted dogs even
longer
[48:41] » one
>> one yeah a dog
[48:42] » but we did that through the business
where I was working they were licensed
[48:46] to them
>> um
[48:50] let's see so then we talked about
increasing the license inform
[48:54] information or uh enforcement by saying
reminders and phone calls and you guys
[48:59] thought it was being done or was were
told it was being done I have to tell
[49:03] you that I don't know of anyone in the
recent five years or six years that has
[49:09] gotten a reminder. I used to get a
little piece of paper for a long time
[49:13] ago in the mail.
>> The pink postcard.
[49:16] » The pink. That's what everyone says. The
pink postcard that come in. Didn't have
[49:19] Do you still have that?
>> No. I've seen one of those in years.
[49:22] » Long time ago. I've said the same that I
haven't seen one in a long time, but
[49:27] they tell me that they are going out
>> and I would like to see them go out by
[49:31] email just because
>> that would make
[49:34] » Well, I just licensed one of and I had
absolutely no issues. Took me five or
[49:38] six minutes to license my dog last week.
>> And
[49:42] um it does ask you at the end whether
you want the reminder by mail or by
[49:48] email.
>> Oh, I know.
[49:51] But it it was very simple to use.
>> Have you gotten a reminder? Has it been
[49:56] a year?
>> Um,
[50:00] » no, it hasn't been a year. I just I I
did one early kind of to so that I could
[50:06] test it out.
>> Well, I know that [clears throat] um
[50:09] that the veterinarians that I know like
Chuck Olsson who was a very good person
[50:13] who always collected the licensing and
now is not doing it u anymore. Um he
[50:19] says he hasn't seen one of those peak
cards forever. And that was a good thing
[50:22] for them because it brought the dog in.
Okay. So they
[50:25] » they would always served as a reminder.
>> Uhhuh.
[50:28] » Beyond just our
cards anymore. [clears throat]
[50:35] » Send out texts or like I get a text that
>> Yeah.
[50:40] Well, has [clears throat] Jan, do you
know if that's something that they're
[50:44] looking into making something that will
like this whatever the program that
[50:49] they're using? Will they do that? Well,
>> I've been told that they do send out
[50:53] hundreds of
I don't know what they look like.
[50:57] » I'm sorry.
>> I was
[51:04] » Well, [clears throat] I I I can I I
don't think Blair Doom seen them. I
[51:08] don't think uh Scare has seen them. I
don't think I've talked to Chuck Ulton
[51:12] have seen them. You haven't seen them.
So, and I haven't seen I haven't gotten
[51:15] anything from my dogs and I just my vet
tells me, "Oh, you need to bring them in
[51:20] on." And so, because I haven't gotten it
for my dogs. So, anyhow, that's
[51:24] something that that was sort of not not
against other than that they don't have
[51:29] personnel to do the phone calls and I
can understand that. Ellen kid kids kid
[51:34] it would be nice if we knew a
veterinarian that we could lean on to
[51:39] ask them especially if they're like a
bird by his chair now where where where
[51:46] the dots aren't being connected
>> well that's that'sant
[51:50] » I can tell you that you know people they
want value for the money that they spend
[51:58] and I work really hard at conferring
value to the services that they get at
[52:04] my hospital. They don't feed value when
they're paying a license fee. They
[52:10] think, well, it's just going to some
bureaucrat and where that money goes
[52:15] goes in their deep pole and when they're
But what's the value of
[52:22] of the license? Maybe if we f saw some
value, they would be willing to go the
[52:28] extra mile to part with those dollars.
Okay. So, that's a marketing. It's a
[52:34] marketing.
>> And I know that Councilman High brought
[52:38] it up at the council meeting a couple of
weeks ago and about the licensing and he
[52:45] would suggested threw it out there that
have the money collected help support
[52:49] the animal shelter and the and the needs
of the
[52:54] of the animals.
>> They look at it as a tax. You are taxed
[52:58] for the privilege of owning a pet and no
one that this is what
[53:06] » this is the feedback that I would have
gotten that I have gotten
[53:11] [clears throat]
>> fortunate that he said that. No
[53:13] » because Trish is here and she's going to
explain it here in a little bit. Now in
[53:19] lubing,
>> one of the things, one of the things
[53:20] that I I will tell you that um Dr. Cowan
um a friend of mine uh used to use Dr.
[53:28] Cow when he was there and that's and
what he said was I quit gathering
[53:33] licenses when I found out it was going
to the general fund because I thought it
[53:37] went directly to the animal shelter and
directly to help the animals uh that
[53:43] they took care of like
>> or it is a tax.
[53:45] » Pardon?
>> Therefore, it is
[53:47] Oh. Oh, there it is. Well, no, because
he said he said
[53:52] » Well, but also isn't the shelter funded
by the general fund.
[53:56] » Well, and so that's what But is but does
all of the money that we take in from
[54:00] licensing? Does that show?
>> But that's where it comes from.
[54:04] » Yeah. And and when you're talking about
the license licensing department, um I
[54:09] talked to my councilman this afternoon
who is um
[54:15] class at Dalton and he said that there
are 80 licenses in the city.
[54:22] » Yes.
>> And by the end of this year they hope to
[54:26] have there is um to have 30 of them
digital. So, and I think there's only a
[54:32] couple of people that actually work in
licensing that handle all of this. So,
[54:36] we need to keep that in mind as well.
>> Yeah, that's one of the problems.
[54:40] [clears throat]
>> The dog license fee uh could actually
[54:46] cover most of the animal shelter.
>> It but but the most but the the dog
[54:54] shelter animal shelter is becoming like
the buses. You're just a lose. You're
[54:59] going to lose. It's money thrown. Well,
it's not thrown away. Those people need
[55:03] it. But what I'm saying is they're not
making money. The buses aren't making
[55:07] money. Animal shelters not making money.
But they could get closer if they could
[55:11] get that 2.
>> I wouldn't say making money. It's being
[55:14] able to provide the services.
>> I I talked with the outgoing city
[55:20] manager and he did say it goes to the
general fund that 1530 whatever $50. But
[55:26] he said if we see that this is bringing
in $3 million, we are going to funnel
[55:32] some money to the shelter. So it's not
they get it in and spend it on something
[55:37] else. they would start funneling in
maybe not one for one but maybe does
[55:42] have you ever heard that Jan that if we
get more money for any fee or whatever
[55:48] that and it goes into the general fund
they'll see where that money comes from
[55:52] and then they'll send some money that
way because that's where we're getting
[55:56] the money from. Does that make sense?
>> That's what Bob
[56:01] » It's not what I do.
>> I know. Well, he's not here anymore.
[56:04] » Yeah. Well, but I'm sure this manager
will do the same thing.
[56:08] » That's what I've been told, but I don't
know for sure.
[56:10] » I don't.
>> Okay. Now then, um we're going to go on
[56:14] to improve the online information about
dog licensing. And I think that's been I
[56:19] think that's been done. I I didn't have
too much issues when I renewed my dog's
[56:24] license, but you had a little bit of
problems.
[56:28] » I don't know. I mean, I got to the end.
I put in all the information.
[56:31] » Did it work?
>> And then it said, "We can't do that
[56:33] right now." And so you still haven't got
your dog's license?
[56:36] » No, it's going to go out to the shelter
like that.
[56:39] » Okay.
>> But when I talked to you, you didn't
[56:41] think they had done anything since the
last meeting.
[56:44] » The license.
>> No, I brought up Susan's issue to them
[56:48] in with some other questions and things
like that.
[56:51] » They I brought up Susan's issue to them
um and some other with some other
[56:58] questions and things like that for you
guys and you know, for myself. uh
[57:02] they're, you know, they do a lot of
things. Yeah. So, um they didn't get
[57:07] back to it. They did say that they um
were having challenges with the software
[57:11] not doing some of the things it wanted.
I don't know if that's specifically
[57:14] around dog licensing or other licenses,
but that they had set set up to have a
[57:21] weekly meeting with the the software
company to get some of these things
[57:24] fixed. Um, so I just I assume you know
when Susan and I talked, we try to
[57:29] figure it out and troubleshoot them
[clears throat] whatever happens.
[57:35] » Okay. So I think uh in the PowerPoint
that the WP supported the idea that they
[57:40] needed to upgrade things and I think
they have I think that it's easier to
[57:44] get to that that part and then u they
wanted to prior it just said you could
[57:51] only do a renewal and not an initial but
now you can do an initial. I've not done
[57:56] an initial yet. I've just done renewals
and then support book licensing uploads
[58:00] for vets. And I'm wondering if that's
where the Excel file came in from. Do
[58:04] you think? Because see that would be a
bulk. I looked at that because I I did
[58:08] you look at that. I I got it for
spayneuter and I said, "Oh my gosh, this
[58:13] is ridiculous." Um and maybe they didn't
realize how much more work it would be
[58:17] for the veterinarians to do that than
just the little blue forms. Um and maybe
[58:22] they were thinking that would be a bulk
upload, but when I talked to Stea and I
[58:26] asked her about it, she said, "Well,
that's because then we just have to plug
[58:30] it in because we don't have to do that."
And my hey my my thoughts and I said it
[58:34] to her were so you're asking the
veterinarians to do your work for free
[58:38] and she said kind of yeah and so I did
offer something that's different that I
[58:41] think um I wish licensing was here
because u Olsen they hated just not
[58:48] doing something but they were not going
to they got upset over that so they quit
[58:51] collecting the money but what they had
been doing and I don't know how many
[58:54] other veterinarians are doing this and
maybe they're considered one of the
[58:57] three doing it at the end of every month
they take the rabies certificate
[59:01] of all the dogs they gave a reg in fact
I'm starting to do that at the clinic at
[59:05] the sputer clinic and end they put them
in a packet and they send them off and
[59:09] then they can say here these are the
people they haven't spent anything but
[59:11] you can send out something to say they
need to pay their license and so they're
[59:15] saying that but I thought that it'd be
easier if the veterinarians just sent
[59:19] out the rabies certificate because on
that certificate it's got everything
[59:22] that you need to know about what would
go on except for maybe an email and you
[59:27] could I guess I could add emails and
then if you collected did money, you
[59:31] stamped it, paid. I've got a little paid
marker then how much they paid and then
[59:35] put those aside and have those that
didn't pay and those that did pay and
[59:38] send it in that way. But I do believe
that we need to look at incentives for
[59:42] the veterinarians to do something like
that. Okay, incentives to do something
[59:45] because it when we when we researched
this, it said if you don't do it at the
[59:49] time of of the rabies, it ain't going to
get done. 25% is going to get done. I
[59:53] talked to a friend of mine and she said,
"Oh, I forgot. I've got that license.
[59:57] It's in my drawer, but I I forgot. I I
haven't turned it in yet. And it's
[1:00:00] something that they forget the minute
they walk in the door, the license, you
[1:00:04] know, the RA service, you know, stays
down. So that's what we learned and they
[1:00:08] said we have to work with, you know, we
have to get something working with the
[1:00:11] veterinarians. Um,
and they they approved that. And the
[1:00:17] last three things that we had was
basically incentives to try to get
[1:00:21] people to license their dog. Okay. And
um the first one was a benefit of one
[1:00:27] free ride home. One of the vet, one of
the states had one free ride home.
[1:00:30] Obviously, they didn't have any free
rides. They were very stingy about that.
[1:00:33] If the dog was microchipped and
licensed, everything, they would not
[1:00:36] pick they picked it up, they check in
their license, sign it, and they give it
[1:00:39] back to them. There was no charge.
Nothing. No charge on for the first
[1:00:42] time. But I think that they you said
they kind of already do that, Emily.
[1:00:48] » Say it one more time. I apologize.
>> Oh, I'm so sorry, Emily. I know.
[1:00:53] » No, I'm fine. Go ahead.
um that the PD and I know they do that
[1:00:57] because they'll call us and say hey we
who's the owner of this dog because they
[1:01:01] didn't register give us and they said
because we want to take it back to them
[1:01:04] and not bring it to the shelter. So
you're doing that more often. We are
[1:01:08] doing that more often.
>> Pardon?
[1:01:09] » We are trying to do that more often.
>> Yeah, but you
[1:01:12] » has to be home.
>> What?
[1:01:14] » The owner has to be home.
>> Yeah. So you just can't just lose it,
[1:01:18] » right?
>> Yeah. But anyhow, and then the last
[1:01:20] three were uh something that Mike Marlet
looked into and it was really pretty
[1:01:25] ingenious. Uh and it and in that
particular situation, it did increase
[1:01:29] the numbers of licensing. That was that
really cool license where they had
[1:01:33] little coupons that people, you know,
PetSmart and everything would give them
[1:01:38] for $5 off or whatever. And so it
basically if they got you know how you
[1:01:42] get those little coupon cards that you
buy and they've got a whole bunch of
[1:01:45] things you can you pay $10 for it and
then you get $20 worth of stuff. And
[1:01:49] they said that they had very good I
don't know which I don't know which
[1:01:53] state it was that did that or city that
did that. Mike Mike was the one who
[1:01:57] picked it up and I can't remember what
it was. But anyhow, um and those I think
[1:02:02] uh we weren't we didn't know if that
would really go over but we were hoping
[1:02:05] it would and maybe one day we could
because I think it would be a good
[1:02:09] incentive for people to have a cool
license for their dog. Did Did you look
[1:02:13] at the the slides?
>> I Well, I didn't look at this I I
[1:02:19] watched the presentation.
>> Okay.
[1:02:21] » And they didn't mention that. Yes. I So
I Okay. sounds, you know, who's going to
[1:02:27] administer that? They're going to go
around and and solicit
[1:02:32] » businesses for such a thing.
>> And that was a concern that they had,
[1:02:37] » but I'm and I'm sitting here going, you
know, I think Smart Pick Wolf Gang would
[1:02:43] love to have their names on there with a
little $5 coupon, that little thing that
[1:02:47] they could click on, but I don't know.
But they said they didn't have troubles
[1:02:49] getting people on. So, but it does take
time and we don't have
[1:02:53] » so it's front end on the costs and so
someone's got to it's an investment and
[1:02:59] so and the local government has to buy
into that idea of an investment.
[1:03:05] » No, I understand that Mike said that by
the way he's pretty good at it. He said
[1:03:09] hey I could do the program for you but I
don't think they would want to get in
[1:03:12] their programming do because I could do
the whole program for you the credit.
[1:03:15] Okay. So that's what was so those are
the recommendations. So basically,
[1:03:21] uh, we just had a couple that you didn't
take, I think. Is that right? You So, so
[1:03:26] the it was pretty much agreed upon by
the PD and the finance and, uh,
[1:03:32] licensing at that time. Okay. Then it
was presented to the city council. I'm
[1:03:36] going to correct myself and say August
13th, uh, and 2024, and it passed seven
[1:03:42] to zero with the city council. And I
think the city say council people I I
[1:03:46] listened to that video and they had a
lot of good questions that they were
[1:03:49] asking you about it. So you know I think
they got involved with I think there's
[1:03:53] some ideas. So that is that answers what
what was pro you know what happened with
[1:03:59] the licensing. Um, and uh,
I
[1:04:06] since then I've had some communication
with with you, Jan, about the fact that
[1:04:10] maybe
that the licensing staff is overwhelmed
[1:04:14] because you've added a whole bunch of
licensing hand. How many did they say
[1:04:17] you have?
>> 80
[1:04:18] » 80 different licenses. Do all licenses
bring in revenues or do you have
[1:04:23] licenses that don't?
>> Most of them do not bring in enough to
[1:04:26] cover. They bring in they cost money,
but they're they're so low dollar that
[1:04:31] they don't it's not a money maker. So,
do you do you not agree that if you get
[1:04:37] $800,000 in dog licenses that that's a
revenue for the city or not? Yeah,
[1:04:41] » I don't know that it matters what I
think.
[1:04:43] » Well, I mean I mean I guess does the
city not agree that because that was one
[1:04:48] of the things is it gives the city
revenues that then they can just offset
[1:04:52] some of the
>> I don't know where your 80,000 is. I
[1:04:55] said 2.9 million, but go ahead.
>> I I understand, but I know I'm talking
[1:04:58] about 800,000. Uh the money in like 2010
it was 800,000. I shouldn't say 80,000.
[1:05:03] 800,000. Uh that that should help. Um
anyhow um so we need to make licensing
[1:05:11] easier for the staff and um I I'm
concerned about what that means. You
[1:05:17] know, what is it that they're having
troubles? I'm assuming it's input
[1:05:21] data entry. When I said easier, I didn't
mean I just mean I thought it was a good
[1:05:26] time to come up with suggestions.
>> Okay.
[1:05:28] » And when you come up with them, be
realistic about it that you don't want
[1:05:33] like I don't know that the coupon card
is realistic because who is going to go
[1:05:37] out?
>> Oh, I'm not going to That's not
[1:05:39] » So that's what I meant. I don't mean
that the staff never complains.
[1:05:42] Licensing doesn't complain. They have a
they have a very good department. I just
[1:05:46] meant I think we did our best to take
your last set of suggestions and we used
[1:05:52] a lot of them and I think we are open to
more suggestions but you just have to be
[1:05:57] careful about not
working within what we have working with
[1:06:02] the people we have. They're not going to
hire more people for this. I doubt maybe
[1:06:07] I'm wrong. Sometimes they do things and
I'm surprised but they did buy a new
[1:06:12] software. They do buy software to help
this stuff happen. So when I said
[1:06:16] easier, I didn't mean easier on the
people. I just meant realistic.
[1:06:20] » Okay. Now, is the software that you have
now just for dog licensing? Is it or for
[1:06:25] all licensing?
>> They have they bought a subset for dog
[1:06:30] licensing.
>> Okay. And have they looked at other
[1:06:33] subsets because they're still using the
one that I had some complaints about,
[1:06:37] correct? Or do they did they renew that
or did you look at other softwares?
[1:06:40] » I don't look at the software. I just
know that they [clears throat] told me
[1:06:44] that they pay a couple hundred,000 a
year. Were you not needing a couple
[1:06:49] hundred,000 a year for that
>> for software for that
[1:06:53] » for the license for the dogs license?
>> Oh, maybe it was 30,000. I'm sorry. I
[1:06:57] need to get my numbers. I thought I
emailed you the number. I didn't get
[1:07:00] that number. I didn't get that number.
>> Okay. I have the number. I see I feel
[1:07:04] like they said like they have like they
have a software that's for all of the
[1:07:08] licensing
>> and then there's
[1:07:10] » but they have to buy a build. Yeah,
that's what I mean by that. They have an
[1:07:14] add-on
>> for what they need and I'm I should not
[1:07:17] butcher the numbers.
>> It's not I I think I'm butchering those
[1:07:21] numbers. I have those numbers. Okay. I
thought I
[1:07:24] » 30,000 sounds.
>> Yeah.
[1:07:26] » And then a update fee every year.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] I love that.
[1:07:31] » Well, um, so,
uh, I know that when you sent me an
[1:07:37] email, you suggested that there be a
committee, a subcommittee or a committee
[1:07:41] that works with Emily and then
eventually with the licensing department
[1:07:45] to come up with ideas. And I think one
of the things is to come up with ideas
[1:07:49] with um, for veterinarians to try to get
veterans to to buy into it. I mean, I'll
[1:07:55] send one time you said we could send you
some cookies every week.
[1:08:00] Remember you said that in September of
September mean you sent some cookies.
[1:08:04] » Anyhow, so
>> it's amazing you buy them off
[1:08:06] veterinarians off of food for
>> buy food. Send them send them something
[1:08:12] from from firehouse subs or something
and that would be expensive. Anyhow, so
[1:08:17] um I would like
>> and I know you're going towards the
[1:08:22] subcommittee, but my question is the
board were really not working on
[1:08:26] anything else at the time. I don't see
why we can't do this as a board instead
[1:08:30] of doing a subcommittee because we would
have public input
[1:08:35] and
um the research could be divided between
[1:08:39] the six of us.
>> I mean, we've already got questions. I I
[1:08:45] asked that to Jan and she said a
committee would be better. I asked her
[1:08:48] if it would be getting if she got you
all I don't I mean just you you don't
[1:08:52] meet often enough. You won't get a lot
done. Yeah.
[1:08:55] » We also have we also have the authority
to have special meetings.
[1:08:59] » Yes, I agree. You have this could be
your committee.
[1:09:02] » Yeah.
>> I just didn't know if you want to
[1:09:04] include citizens. Um if that was the
point of
[1:09:06] » I was told at one point that the
subcommittees have to be public.
[1:09:11] » Did you? Yeah. So, you've got citizens
there.
[1:09:15] » Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna counter that
with a motion that we go ahead and do
[1:09:20] what we asked the last meeting, which is
to convene the original subcommittee
[1:09:26] and with the addition of Jason as a
veterinarian
[1:09:30] uh and uh get with Emily because then we
can get it's it's not just us doing it
[1:09:37] together. It's a as a committee and our
committee.
[1:09:39] » Well, we have the committees. I mean
Janice said we could be the kinetics.
[1:09:43] » Well, I'm talking about do you guys all
want to come together once a week?
[1:09:48] That's what we did once a week and talk
about it. I think it'd be easier with
[1:09:52] the committee. Uh but it al also the
committee then instead of the board the
[1:09:57] committee in it and also had citizens on
there. Tony was on there. Um, uh,
[1:10:04] a veterinarian and I don't know why I
don't I cannot think.
[1:10:09] » Yeah, Teresa Burks was on there. She
wasn't on the board and then also Chris
[1:10:13] was on there as a citizen. So, the
committee was did include citizens in in
[1:10:17] the committee and with Emily on there
and you said that we should not go to
[1:10:22] the work with the licensing yet, but we
should come up with some ideas. But we
[1:10:26] we've had to talk with licensing to find
out what they would what they would
[1:10:30] like. You can submit a list of questions
and we'll get them answered from them.
[1:10:35] But they really don't have a dog in this
fight, no pun intended. Um they're
[1:10:39] licensing. They don't owe this animal
services anything more than they don't
[1:10:45] owe a board. They owe employees. They
owe city council. They have city of
[1:10:50] Witchah um
[1:10:54] people um answers, but they don't
directly answer to a board, a an animal
[1:11:00] board. So, I think it's better to leave
them out of it and submit a list of
[1:11:05] questions
>> uh and and it's up to us. We're supposed
[1:11:08] to help you and get you the stuff you
need so you can run a committee or or
[1:11:12] meeting
>> hold our feet to the fire, not theirs.
[1:11:17] and we'll tell you if they're not
answering and that's not like them.
[1:11:19] They're going to answer if we I'd like
to go through with the motion that we
[1:11:23] do.
>> How are you going to publicize this
[1:11:26] meeting these meetings?
>> Uh it usually was publicized uh at the
[1:11:32] uh um on the the thing that they said
that we were meeting in such and such a
[1:11:37] place.
>> But what's that thing
[1:11:39] » on the police department thing? And I
don't know how can you how can you make
[1:11:43] it?
>> It would be on the website. So if people
[1:11:46] have put in their notice that they have
open meeting uh request if they want the
[1:11:50] notice they will get personal notice for
the open meeting but they'll also they
[1:11:55] can put it on the website about the
meeting.
[1:11:58] [clears throat]
>> I'm going to take the driving of the bus
[1:12:01] from uh from Ellen as she's been running
you over with it keep saying Jan did
[1:12:07] this, Jan said this. Let's go with what
Jan said. Let's send her that's what she
[1:12:12] said. Let's send them the questions and
let them answer the questions. We don't
[1:12:16] need to have any meetings or any boards
or nothing. Just send You just heard
[1:12:20] her.
>> Yeah, I just
[1:12:21] » I mean I think we could come up with a
list,
[1:12:24] » but we won't be doing No,
>> not tonight. I don't think we can do
[1:12:28] that.
>> You We still have until seven. You
[1:12:32] already know what most of the questions
are and we could just send them and
[1:12:36] » might be the quickest way. Trust me.
I'm in favor of generating list of
[1:12:42] questions. I think that's
>> okay.
[1:12:44] » That's a a good use of our time that we
have.
[1:12:47] » So, no second on the on the committee.
>> Okay. Then that motion fails and so
[1:12:53] we're going to go through and generate a
list of questions, but it's that's going
[1:12:58] to that's going to make it slower. I
will just tell you right off the bat,
[1:13:01] it's going to make it slower, I think.
>> How could it be any slower from March
[1:13:04] until August of another year? A year and
a half. Really? Because you guys had
[1:13:09] your committee before I was on.
>> Yeah.
[1:13:11] » And
>> it was March and it went till the next
[1:13:14] year.
>> A lot of it didn't go into her. I We
[1:13:17] can't go any kicking back. We'll just
send her some questions.
[1:13:22] » Okay. And uh Jason, can can you I would
like to see
[1:13:28] I would like to see more representation
from veterinarians to give us some ideas
[1:13:33] how to get off. And I wanted to ask, do
you guys have a local organization of
[1:13:37] that?
>> No, it's loose knit.
[1:13:39] » Okay.
>> It's on Facebook,
[1:13:41] » but you could at least start maybe with
that.
[1:13:43] » Yeah, we could start with I I could
start with that. And uh there'll be
[1:13:49] plenty of opinions. I will
>> Yeah, I mean there's vocal there's a
[1:13:54] vocal minority as there always is,
>> right?
[1:13:58] » And Chris Scar says she could do
something. Does she does she run some
[1:14:02] sort of a talk or chat or something?
>> Christian Scare.
[1:14:05] » Yeah.
>> Well, she's she participates in that
[1:14:09] forum
>> in that form. Okay.
[1:14:11] » Frequently, I say,
>> could I make a quick comment?
[1:14:15] » Yes. Now, now we have Let me if Sorry,
I'm going to leave. Sorry, I have to be
[1:14:19] somewhere. But I'm all for this. I will
help you get the information you need,
[1:14:23] but I needed one list, not a scattering
of emails from different people asking
[1:14:28] different questions. If you all would
come up with one list and email it to
[1:14:31] me, I will get you the answer to
anything that I'm allowed to get you the
[1:14:35] answer to. If I'm not allowed, I will
give you an answer why you don't get it.
[1:14:39] » Okay.
>> And can we whoever sends that, can they
[1:14:42] send it to all of us so that we're all
on the same page? As long as
[1:14:47] we don't email everyone back.
>> Yes.
[1:14:50] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[1:14:51] » Okay. And I'd like to have any input
from the from the public. Okay. Um, I
[1:14:57] went to my vets's office today and
talked to them about the licensing
[1:15:00] because in the past I years ago I lived
in the county and anytime I got my dogs
[1:15:06] vaccinated, they did county license. I
moved to the city and then they did the
[1:15:11] city license. Well, my dog's not due
until September, so I haven't had it
[1:15:15] this year. So, I went to ask him, "Are
they still doing that?" And I was told
[1:15:18] no and I asked why. And I was told and
this is the office manager. I didn't
[1:15:24] talk with that. And she said, "Well,
part of it is they want us to do the
[1:15:28] spreadsheet. I don't have time for a
spreadsheet. They've got all this the
[1:15:32] spreadsheet that they want me to put all
this information." And she says, "I
[1:15:35] don't have time for this." Reason number
two is the vet wanted to send those in
[1:15:40] with a check to pay for them. Licensing
will not accept that. They want it all
[1:15:45] online.
>> It's been told. Yeah.
[1:15:48] » So, that would be one question.
>> A credit card,
[1:15:51] » you know.
>> Yes. What's the best way to record the
[1:15:55] questions?
>> Yes. Yes. So, um,
[1:15:59] » right.
>> Yeah.
[1:16:01] » So, question and and that's something
that you need to check with the
[1:16:05] veterinarians on that.
>> That's how it was in the old days.
[1:16:11] » Send a check in.
>> Yeah. They'd send a check. We'd collect
[1:16:15] the money. Then we'd send we had a pile
of stack of the triplicate forms and you
[1:16:23] know and they'd send that stack in and
with a check and that's how that worked.
[1:16:28] And then the county license I mean
hardly anybody paid the county license.
[1:16:33] » I did.
>> You're a good person though.
[1:16:36] You know,
>> I will say that when I went to pay that
[1:16:40] um it was you could use a debit card,
credit card, and supposedly you could do
[1:16:45] an a
straight out of your checking account,
[1:16:48] which is what I wanted to do, but it
didn't. I like that. So, actually, I
[1:16:52] think that would be another question.
>> Okay. Um,
[1:16:57] » most clinics have a a credit card that
they could use for such a thing, but not
[1:17:04] everyone would. Um, there's not a
there's not a uniform way that people
[1:17:09] get, you know, they get paid
take payments. There are some places
[1:17:15] that, you know, I still swiping the
swiping the credit card thing, you know,
[1:17:20] so that makes it tough for
some of the less progressive
[1:17:25] veterinarians to pay.
>> I mean, maybe we don't even worry about
[1:17:29] them. It's the the ones that are up with
technology.
[1:17:32] » Okay. So, the question to ask would be
uh what other ways can uh can the
[1:17:37] veterinarians pay for the
>> you have to ask would be Go ahead.
[1:17:41] » You know, willing would you be willing
Okay.
[1:17:44] » To reconsider
being the collection agency.
[1:17:50] » Well, that's the question for the vets.
I think we're trying to collect
[1:17:54] questions, but
okay. That's a question that I would
[1:17:59] have
>> because first we got to find out if they
[1:18:02] are willing to do anything.
>> If licensing says no, then it doesn't
[1:18:06] matter what.
>> Right.
[1:18:07] » Right. full license
>> because the vets say no then it
[1:18:11] » because it used to be they you you paid
your bill they sent it they handed you
[1:18:15] the thing you wrote out a check and you
mailed it and I sometimes I would write
[1:18:20] them a check and you just stuck it in an
envelope right there and it was mailed
[1:18:23] to the city
>> let let if let's spitball is what we're
[1:18:27] doing maybe six or eight good questions
let's not give them 20 or 30 but hold on
[1:18:31] a second Helen please um
>> we have another Trish wants to come and
[1:18:37] speak.
>> I guess you know that
[1:18:39] » trying to recognize me, George.
>> Yes, I've been trying to say
[1:18:43] » Yeah, I wanted them to be able to
>> Anyone else that would like to speak?
[1:18:46] Yes, Trish. Yes. Um, and you guys got an
email of what I was going to say, so I
[1:18:51] don't I sent it through the board email.
>> Read it. Read it so everyone can.
[1:18:55] » I don't need to [clears throat] read it,
but I'll recap the important parts in a
[1:18:58] conversational way because that's
better.
[1:19:00] » Okay. I don't have the email.
>> Well, that way we'll I can I can send it
[1:19:05] to you different. Um, but basically I'm
here because I I haven't always lived in
[1:19:12] Witchah and I've been surprised that it
the collecting the license didn't happen
[1:19:17] at the veterinarian. And I think
considering the fact that 16 years ago
[1:19:22] we had 40,000 licenses that were
collected and we've made $800,000 as a
[1:19:27] city. Um, then now we're talking 8,000
licenses a year. That's that's a
[1:19:34] significant problem in process and and
you're asking questions to figure out
[1:19:39] how to fix those processes and I think
that's exactly what is needed but it's
[1:19:44] also needed to have the citizen input to
push the getting the answers. We we all
[1:19:49] have to be engaged in talking to our
city council people so that it becomes
[1:19:53] something more important to them to get
pushed through. Um, and I think when
[1:19:58] I've been talking to my veterinarian and
to other veterinarians, one of the
[1:20:03] things is is they've told me about the
spreadsheet, which is just undoable.
[1:20:08] Um, and then [clears throat] also I
think it's unrealistic and unfair for us
[1:20:12] as a as a community to ask veterinarians
to do something that takes their
[1:20:17] people's time and effort and energy
without paying them for it. So, I really
[1:20:21] think it's important if we're asking
veterinarians to collect licenses for
[1:20:25] the city, which is going to mean a
substantial revenue stream, whether it's
[1:20:30] 2.9 million, at least 800,000,
um then then we should be giving them, I
[1:20:37] suggest just to chuck a number out
there, $2 per license. That seems like a
[1:20:41] reasonable not nothing fee. something
that that could compensate for hopefully
[1:20:47] it's not taking more than 10 minutes per
license uh in doing now maybe I'm wrong
[1:20:53] I I'm not totally knowledgeable so but
just saying if we need to be able to
[1:20:59] compensate for the work that they're
doing on the city's behalf and on our
[1:21:02] citizens behalf because as I'm also
talking to my animal friendly friends
[1:21:08] the people that I know that are picking
up strays around town I mean they you
[1:21:12] know people that are just really
engaged. I talked to my one friend and
[1:21:16] she's like, "Does does the city do
licenses? This is an animalged person
[1:21:22] who doesn't know that the city does
licenses." And and [clears throat] she
[1:21:26] goes, "Well, why why would you do
licenses, Trish?" And I said, "Well,
[1:21:32] so that you can make sure that rabies
vaccines are done. So that you can help
[1:21:37] to fund the animal services that the
city does." And to your point and your I
[1:21:42] think everybody's point, I think it's
important in the marketing campaign that
[1:21:46] the city might do that we do change how
we I know nobody likes designating
[1:21:53] dollars because it makes budgeting
harder, but if we can say 50% of all
[1:21:59] licensing goes specifically to animal
related issues in Witchah, then you're
[1:22:05] what am I paying for? You're paying for
the shelter. You're paying for
[1:22:08] spayneuter clinics. You're paying for
animal control officers. That's part of
[1:22:13] that marketing piece and that buy in.
What What am I getting with this 15
[1:22:16] bucks? What am I What am I getting?
>> People would be willing to pay
[1:22:22] » if they knew that that money was going
towards
[1:22:26] » all of this.
>> I agree because people hear the general
[1:22:29] fund and although it comes out of the
general fund, all they hear is general
[1:22:32] fund
>> and they don't know how much of that
[1:22:34] goes%.
Well, because when I was talking to
[1:22:37] Dalton this afternoon, I said because I
asked him about um the animal shelter in
[1:22:43] general and he he said, "I just got it.
It's 900 pages and I haven't started
[1:22:46] reading it yet."
>> The the budget.
[1:22:50] » Oh, yeah.
>> So, um he will let me know.
[1:22:53] » Well, and and I think that it help
>> He did say he did say that it he saw
[1:22:58] that it has an increase. So
>> I I think it does make a significant
[1:23:03] difference to the population, especially
considering that all the conversations
[1:23:07] we're having around trust and
transparency that we do something that
[1:23:11] is so transparent as to say licensing
income 50% equals animal issues. Bing
[1:23:18] bing bing bing, right? That's something
very clear line because when it goes all
[1:23:22] into the general fund then it becomes a
polit not a bad word but a political
[1:23:28] decision as to what gets spent where and
if the public isn't engaged in speaking
[1:23:34] loudly and forcefully for animals and
the spending therein then that may not
[1:23:40] get funded in that year right something
else may be taking priority and if we
[1:23:45] can if we can concrete ensure a certain
certain percentage of that licensing.
[1:23:51] Again, it goes to the marketing. People
know that their money is going where
[1:23:55] they care about. It's doing something
for them in their community. They're
[1:23:59] sure of it. Um,
>> it's also education, which is one of our
[1:24:05] » mandates.
>> Mandate. Well, what we're on. So,
[1:24:09] » and what else, Trey?
>> So, I'm just going to recap with the
[1:24:12] three things that I was asking. And
again, I'll get the email to you and all
[1:24:15] the
>> It went to spam.
[1:24:17] » Oh, okay. Great. Well, I mean, not
whatever, you know.
[1:24:21] » Yes.
>> Um, partner with veterinarians to
[1:24:23] collect license fees at the time of
rabies vaccination. I don't if
[1:24:28] veterinarians are like my husband, you
don't tell them to do it. [laughter] You
[1:24:32] ask them nicely and you have incentive
for why they could partner with the city
[1:24:37] to do it. A $2 per license uh fee for
them that they get to keep. Um,
[1:24:42] compensate clin modestly. $2 per license
to cover the time and encourage
[1:24:46] participation. modernize and adequately
staff the licensing system so
[1:24:51] veterinarians and residents can submit
information quickly and efficiently. And
[1:24:55] it sounds like they're already doing
weekly conversations with the with the
[1:24:59] the
coders with the programmers, right?
[1:25:03] They're working on it. And sometimes we
can't just say get it done and it gets
[1:25:07] done. It's in a process. Okay, we get
that. But we also have to say, but we
[1:25:12] need to make sure the process works
because the QR code, my vet had a QR
[1:25:17] code on the wall. I scanned the QR code.
It was it was not active. [laughter]
[1:25:22] So, you know, it Yeah, it's one of those
things that I have tried to license my
[1:25:28] dog before and ran into a dead end. And
so, we're all very busy. When we get
[1:25:33] home, the piece of paper goes onto the
pile of to-dos and the urgent things
[1:25:39] stay at the top. and everything else
floats down. And so I think it's very
[1:25:44] obviously that's happening. 40,000
to 8,000.
[1:25:49] That's that's an issue. That's something
that has to be corrected. And and it's
[1:25:55] not because people love Witchah less or
their animals less. It's a process
[1:26:00] issue. And that's where you as a board
are thankfully asking great questions
[1:26:06] that can get to what those process
issues are so we can get them fixed and
[1:26:11] we can [clears throat] get back to
80,000 licenses because from what I
[1:26:14] understand there's probably over a
100,000 animals in dogs in Witchah that
[1:26:20] could be licensed and if we're capturing
80 that's much more realistic. Um, and I
[1:26:25] think we could do that. And then we're
getting into the millions of dollars in
[1:26:29] revenue that, you know, people can
actually support spay and neuter clinics
[1:26:34] so that we don't have as many stray dogs
and our shelters aren't overrun and all
[1:26:38] the things. So thank you for your time
and thank you sincerely for your service
[1:26:43] on this very important issue because
people don't come and
[1:26:49] engage and serve the way you guys do um
in very many aspects and I you guys
[1:26:55] thank you very much for what you do.
>> Yes, George,
[1:26:58] » when you said $2, I saw uh Jason like
two and if it did take 10 minutes six
[1:27:05] times two is 12. I pay my people more
than $12 an hour. So maybe three might
[1:27:10] be a better number because that's $18 an
hour. I bet his
[1:27:14] » that's a veterinarian conversation and
and I think the city should be open to
[1:27:18] that.
>> Is it responsibility or are you giving a
[1:27:22] convenience fee to the pet owner? You
don't have to go home and do this.
[1:27:26] » That's what I was thinking about.
>> And so I think that's a debate at some
[1:27:30] point. I would like to know um can you
send those of us that are not vets a
[1:27:36] copy of this spreadsheet that
spreadsheet that they want you to
[1:27:40] » I can I can print it out. Well, I'll
try. Yeah, I'll just send I'll just send
[1:27:44] it to you. I'll send you what they sent
to you. Okay. You look at that. Now, my
[1:27:47] thought is okay. Um Chris Gar said,
"Well, I don't want to be paid to do
[1:27:52] this. I'll donate it back in there." So,
there are some vets who just wait just
[1:27:58] wait. Just wait. Just wait. So I think
that I think that we need to talk to the
[1:28:04] veterinarians. These are things that we
can ask the license committee. But we
[1:28:07] also we can't do anything even until we
get a feeler on the veterary clinics.
[1:28:12] And one of the police I think it was um
so I can't think of who it was that told
[1:28:16] me he said you know a lot of veterary
clinics are not owned by corporates and
[1:28:20] corporates have no buy in and are they
going to be the ones who said we're not
[1:28:24] going to do that? You know she said
>> then we need to get the education out
[1:28:27] there so that their clients say okay I
want this convenience.
[1:28:32] Well, it's we need we need to talk to
the veterinarians. And so this is where
[1:28:37] this is where maybe um you and I can get
together and figure out what we can send
[1:28:42] out to the veterinarians. Okay.
>> Do you have like a list of all local
[1:28:47] » Well, oh yeah, let's go to the yellow
pages, right?
[1:28:51] » Yeah. No, I can put a list together. But
so that's something that we can do in
[1:28:55] addition to getting questions for them.
But
[1:28:58] » I want right now
I want to mention right now that I think
[1:29:03] that we should have a special meeting
over this and have a special meeting for
[1:29:07] just discussion of licensing and let the
public know that can come in and talk
[1:29:12] about it.
>> I think we need some answers first.
[1:29:15] » Well, I think that we're going to get
some answers and some more questions if
[1:29:19] the if we have more people right that
are there. But I think maybe
[1:29:24] » it will it's also be another time for us
to talk about it because we cannot just
[1:29:29] we we're going to have to have a meeting
to talk about it.
[1:29:32] » Well, and hopefully like say we do that
in 30 days or whatever or whatever.
[1:29:36] » Well, I was thinking
>> um
[1:29:38] » more like in two three weeks.
>> Okay. But hopefully we'll have answers
[1:29:43] back from the licensing and
you might at least have some feedback
[1:29:50] from the vets.
>> Well, I don't I don't think that I think
[1:29:53] that we should go back and think about
what questions we have
[1:29:57] » we do because that
>> and then come back and then come back in
[1:30:00] a couple weeks and and have a I hate to
say this a special meeting. It'll be
[1:30:05] like instead of a subcommittee just
going to be the whole board, okay? where
[1:30:08] we can have it listed that we're gonna
be discussing licensing and people can
[1:30:11] listen to what we're talking about and
maybe we can have some veterinarians.
[1:30:15] » Let's talk to Emily and see if we can
use that room right there, you know,
[1:30:20] that little conference room
>> and then they can go do their little
[1:30:23] tour and say,
>> "No, no, because you have to be able to
[1:30:27] let the public come and that's not
enough place for the public." Okay. So,
[1:30:30] that would not work.
>> 50's public. How many more are coming?
[1:30:34] 20. I I do want to work on the question
because we've only got
[1:30:37] » read back the questions that you wrote.
>> Okay. So far I just have um licensing
[1:30:42] accepting checks or credit card a
payments and what other ways can people
[1:30:49] or what are the ways people can pay? Are
they going to a cashless? That's really
[1:30:54] um
and then would you well the vets that
[1:30:58] was a question for the vets. So that's
really the only thing is payment. That's
[1:31:02] only that's the only question I have. So
far
[1:31:04] » I know
>> are same.
[1:31:06] » Okay. And you have something you would
like.
[1:31:08] » Quick comment. Vince Hancock. I
volunteer on Wednesday mornings at a
[1:31:12] local senior center. I work with seniors
in technology. And as arguably the
[1:31:17] fourth youngest person in this room, we
have a lot of seniors that like to have
[1:31:21] options in payment. Meaning some of us
still remember that in God you trust,
[1:31:27] all others pay cash. So, while I
understand our governments really love
[1:31:33] to move to a cashless society because it
makes things easier for them, a lot of
[1:31:37] us seniors say, "Hey, in fact, a lot of
the ones I work with say, I want a paper
[1:31:42] invoice. Thank you." And others say,
"Text it or email it." But they want the
[1:31:46] choice to be able to do that. And I
think it's appropriate for the citizens
[1:31:49] to push back to say electronic options
are good, but when you take away the
[1:31:54] older paper options of I would like to
pay in cash, I would like to pay with
[1:31:59] check. I would like a paper invoice. I'm
even encouraging my seniors, if your
[1:32:04] business, like say your utility business
wants to charge you a dollar a month for
[1:32:09] getting a stamped envelope with a paper
invoice, that's a reasonable recovery of
[1:32:15] their cost. But you just I I've had one
company, one utility company say, "Uh,
[1:32:20] we will not give you uh paper invoices,
otherwise we're going to charge you $20
[1:32:25] a month."
>> Really?
[1:32:27] » They're out of town, but still.
>> Now, now I will say that when I talked
[1:32:30] to um
Alejandra with licensing, she kept
[1:32:36] telling me that people are mailing in
their licensing, and if they're mailing
[1:32:40] in their licensing, they've got to be
paid with ship,
[1:32:42] » right? So, I'm not quite sure that
that's not happening.
[1:32:45] » And that would be one of our questions
in
[1:32:48] » from the vet. And another
>> Oh, they would accept from the vets.
[1:32:50] Okay. I think from the people his check,
>> they would not accept his.
[1:32:55] » Um, one other thing is I did ask the
question, would a $2 fee from the city
[1:33:02] help you to offset your cost? Would you
be willing to do licensing then? And she
[1:33:07] said, probably not. I don't have the
time. And they're saying too they can't
[1:33:11] hire people to work in their office.
They've only got two people in their
[1:33:15] office. They usually have four.
>> Okay. I'm gonna for Spain Kansas, we're
[1:33:19] going to start except we're going to
start uh you know paying although we
[1:33:24] have the poorest of the poor who are
going to say we only paid $50 for the
[1:33:28] surgery and now you're going to pay
charge me $15 for a license. But we have
[1:33:31] some people that would. Okay. But um um
>> so what other question? I just I know
[1:33:38] » just wait. I just wait. I think and I
want to just something that we can that
[1:33:43] Jason you and I and some other vets can
talk about or you know you can visit is
[1:33:47] is that if you just print off which is
what Olsson does the rabies certificate
[1:33:52] and they you stamp it. Do you still have
a stamp that you stamp or did you not
[1:33:57] did you not get one of those? I was
we're number 61 as a vendor.
[1:34:01] » I'm just a veterinarian. I don't Brenda.
>> It's It's not your Yeah, we need to have
[1:34:05] » my wife who does that and she's she's
like, "Who's got time for this? Who's
[1:34:10] got
>> Okay. Well,
[1:34:12] » because we don't we have hard enough
time getting the stuff done that we need
[1:34:16] to get done for the business.
>> And it is it is hard to do. And now we
[1:34:22] it's it's I mean I hate to be that
devil's advocate because I'm I have to
[1:34:26] pay for all this food, but I got a
business to run and it's like you you
[1:34:33] want me to do what? This is my wife
talking. She's a veterinarian, too.
[1:34:37] » She's you want me to do you want you
want us to do this? Oh, spreadsheets.
[1:34:42] Oh, my head's going.
>> Oh, that was the worst thing they ever
[1:34:44] did. But if all you do is I printed off,
in fact, I started printing off three
[1:34:49] baby certificates. And maybe it's not
that hard, but when you add, it's a
[1:34:54] mental hurdle, I guess. And then there
are some that like Kristen Scare, she is
[1:34:59] a public service-minded person. She got
that from her dad. But this is a new day
[1:35:04] and there's not that many people that
have a
[1:35:08] public service. And that extends into
the professional realm, too. Even though
[1:35:13] And it's like we as veterinarians, we
give, we give, we give. And now you're
[1:35:16] asking me to give some more. So that's
this is going to be something that that
[1:35:21] maybe you and I can work with and come
up with something with there. Yes,
[1:35:25] Trish.
>> So that I want to get Nancy is rightly
[1:35:29] so trying to get to questions and I
appreciate that, but I think that's one
[1:35:32] of the questions that really is key to
ask
[1:35:34] » because licensing needs to be asked. How
can we make the information system from
[1:35:41] veterinarians to you easy and seamless?
you know where we're like scanning the
[1:35:49] RA they send in the RA what they're
already doing the radius certificate
[1:35:52] scanning those in and that is callulling
the I mean how can we make it so easy
[1:35:58] it's not
>> well first we're going to assume that
[1:36:00] the veterinarians will have buy in
>> sure
[1:36:03] » so you have to market to them too not
only just the general public
[1:36:07] » yes sir
>> I mean maybe even more so
[1:36:09] » correct
>> so so I think what we need to do is
[1:36:13] visit with the veterinarians and find
out who's in favor who's going to say no
[1:36:18] and who would and maybe they have some
ideas and then then present that at the
[1:36:23] meeting and say these are some ideas
that the veterinarian has given us will
[1:36:26] you accept them okay what can you work
with us
[1:36:29] » along with that question how can we make
it easier for vets to submit info I
[1:36:35] think yes
>> and then also to say to see can you send
[1:36:40] us the
the procedures you have now So that
[1:36:46] » I'm gonna send out to you guys. Can you
>> I'm gonna send out the the the Excel
[1:36:50] file I was ask to fill out. Okay. Yeah.
Did you look at that? Did your wife look
[1:36:54] at that Excel file?
>> No.
[1:36:56] » An Excel file. It would be nice if you
>> She looked at that.
[1:36:59] » It's an Excel file.
>> But it would be nice if they they gave
[1:37:02] you something that you've already got
this information and then downloaded.
[1:37:06] » They they gave us something, but I'll
just tell you what. I'll send it out. I
[1:37:09] almost did that and but I said, "Well,
anyway, I'll send it to you guys in a
[1:37:12] couple."
>> All right. So, I have two questions so
[1:37:14] far. Um I think I think maybe there was
a question that we might have gotten
[1:37:19] lost which is what is the I would like
to know what is the breakdown of uh
[1:37:24] people using the system to pay and
people paying by check
[1:37:30] » or people mailing in their
>> Okay. So what is breakdown? Okay. So I'm
[1:37:33] going to say
>> so how are people engaged with the
[1:37:37] licensing system?
>> How are they getting their payments
[1:37:40] made? Right. a check in the mail come
into
[1:37:44] » and then also how many vets how many are
received by vets because you still have
[1:37:50] » well I know but how many licenses was it
100 licenses was it 50
[1:37:54] » oh you mean
>> you know I don't and I don't know if
[1:37:56] they can numbers
>> right received
[1:38:01] » and
I would also like to ask them how
[1:38:06] manyear licenses have they come have
they in fact I've already asked them I
[1:38:10] think didn't you Ask them that, Emily.
That was one of the questions. How many
[1:38:14] three-year licenses have they taken in
and how are they
[1:38:17] » two year, two years?
>> Or the two one, two or three years.
[1:38:20] Break down how many licenses are one
year, two year, or three year. And I
[1:38:23] asked him, "Why would you do two year?"
And she said, "Because we have some
[1:38:25] people that come in from another city
that has a three-year license. They've
[1:38:28] already paid for the one year from them.
And so, they're only going to be for two
[1:38:32] years, so they only pay for two years."
And so, that's why they have one, two,
[1:38:35] and three tiered situation.
>> I got a question for Jason real quick.
[1:38:40] Get your crystal ball out. So, let's say
there's 140,000 dogs in Witchah.
[1:38:47] Not how many of them are going to a vet?
Not forget the license for a second. How
[1:38:52] many would you say percentage of those?
>> Huh? Less than a half round half. So,
[1:38:57] 70. So, [clears throat] 70,000. So, the
rest are just not not going to a vet.
[1:39:04] » And that I think too comes down to
>> they're going to us for emergency stuff.
[1:39:09] But as far as
>> not for the rabies shot, no. Ain't
[1:39:13] happen. So what half? Okay.
>> Well, and also we do have an awful lot
[1:39:16] of clinics do give free rabies now. We'd
have to engage in them to see how they
[1:39:22] could get that done because we just But
let's go back to what what we're going
[1:39:25] to ask to I that's why I think that's
why I think that we should because I've
[1:39:29] got to go on to finish this thing up and
poor Emily sitting there thinking please
[1:39:34] Ellen make it a short meeting. I think
that we need to have another meeting. uh
[1:39:39] to just talk about the licensing and
have it be an open meeting and invite
[1:39:42] some of the practice managers maybe to
come and and uh and give their input.
[1:39:50] » Maybe we need to give more time to
prepare for that than two weeks.
[1:39:55] » Well, I think I say we'll do
>> we can throw it out there.
[1:39:58] » We [clears throat] can do it for three
weeks, not two weeks. We can do it in
[1:40:00] three weeks. Have a meeting in three
weeks.
[1:40:02] » Bring cookies.
>> Bring cookies. I'll bring food.
[1:40:05] » I'll bring food. You're a good cook. you
can bring something. Um,
[1:40:10] and I know that it's hard on people to
to do this, but I think if that's how
[1:40:14] you're going to do that, we're going to
have to act like that. I mean, we can't
[1:40:17] just say, "Well, let's all get
together." And I think we would have a
[1:40:20] serious issue with co with coma being,
you know, sitting in this stuff because
[1:40:24] right now we're able to talk back and
forth. We can't do that on the internet.
[1:40:28] We cannot do that on email. And so I
think we just [clears throat] have to
[1:40:31] have a meeting and uh and invite the
people that are interested with some
[1:40:35] ideas and in three weeks do you think we
could talk within
[1:40:40] » only try?
>> Okay. We could put out a How about if I
[1:40:43] generate a survey
>> and how about if I generate a survey and
[1:40:48] send it to you and have you look at it
and then
[1:40:50] » I'll put my name on.
>> Don't put your name on it.
[1:40:52] » I will put my name.
>> You'll put your name on. Okay. Good.
[1:40:54] We'll generate a survey. Okay. To send
out.
[1:40:56] » Put my name on.
>> And to put your name on.
[1:40:58] » Okay. Question number five is several
people have said no reminders are being
[1:41:02] sent out
>> and that's true.
[1:41:06] » I I have to say so who gets the
reminders? Do you opt in for a reminder
[1:41:10] like like you opted in? Right.
>> Right.
[1:41:14] » So
>> did you get it?
[1:41:15] » Well, I don't know because I just did it
till next year.
[1:41:18] » And this one is actually I did a two
years. So I'm not going to know for two
[1:41:21] years.
>> Why would you opt in? It should be it
[1:41:23] shouldn't have opted.
>> Agreed. Agreed. But we if we find out
[1:41:26] even
>> I have a big suspicion on how that's not
[1:41:29] happening for most people. We've got
last year's 8,000 um things and this
[1:41:34] year's 8,000 things or slated to be if
it trend whatever. I think they're only
[1:41:40] doing people who did license last year.
So all the people who did, you know,
[1:41:45] that because it's a process thing and
they're not going to waste money sending
[1:41:48] mail because pit dogs died and so they
don't want to send out to people five
[1:41:52] years ago who haven't sent in a license.
But if licenses have gone down so much
[1:41:58] that they're only sending it to the
hardcore I'm going to give you my money
[1:42:02] if I have to shove it down your throat
people. Then those are only the people
[1:42:06] who are getting reminders anymore and
that's why nobody's seeing reminders.
[1:42:11] It's a it's a process issue and so
they're sending them
[1:42:15] » if they were if we're going to ask the
veterinarians how many get reminders.
[1:42:18] How many of their their clients get I
don't believe that they're sending them
[1:42:21] out. I hate to say this,
>> but I don't believe they're sending them
[1:42:24] out.
>> And if your dog died, is there and you
[1:42:27] get a reminder?
>> Is there a way to on there it says the
[1:42:30] dog has been deceased? Yes. Okay. Yes,
>> it has. Yes,
[1:42:33] » it's supposed to be on the reminder.
>> It used to be there.
[1:42:37] » Okay.
inter led with that she is the president
[1:42:41] of when which is the independent
neighborhoods for all of Witchah and she
[1:42:46] has a page and she could get that
information out for us some
[1:42:51] » plus we've got um College Hills the
neighborhood that I live in and we've
[1:42:55] got the big um thing at the pool coming
up and why can't we talk to people have
[1:43:01] people come with little things saying
hey did you remember we actually do have
[1:43:05] licensing and here's what it goes four
and
[1:43:08] » I've actually been invited to a
neighborhood association in district 4
[1:43:13] to to kind of update because they've
never really been talked to about even
[1:43:19] all the changes and so uh we're going to
be scheduling that and before and I I I
[1:43:26] speak at the DAB and this is to you guys
about every two or three months an
[1:43:30] update at the district advisory board
what's going on and that would once we
[1:43:36] kind of have some ideas, I would really
encourage to do that. And then when I
[1:43:41] first got on, I did email
um everyone who had a neighborhood
[1:43:46] association or an HOA and I actually got
invited to a couple of events to hand
[1:43:51] out uh information and I got pamphlets
from the shelter and and so we're
[1:43:56] supposed to be doing some education and
and I would encourage
[1:44:01] » and and we can once we get that
>> Where is that? Oh, I'm sorry. So
[1:44:07] » off topic.
>> What's that?
[1:44:09] » The flyer.
>> The flyer.
[1:44:10] » Oh, flyer. Oh, for this.
>> Well, no,
[1:44:13] » it does talk about licensing though.
Talks about just what we
[1:44:16] » Does talk about anything about license?
I don't
[1:44:19] » I don't think it did.
>> I don't know.
[1:44:20] » I'd have to go look, but and and I know
that we're going to update some of those
[1:44:25] flyers
>> and flyers or there's a flyer marketing
[1:44:30] has a flyer in our lobby just for
license
[1:44:32] » for licensing. Can you send that to us?
We only have dog license. Well, you mean
[1:44:37] like not other random city licenses,
>> but 80 licenses. So, is there one just
[1:44:42] for dog license?
>> Yeah.
[1:44:43] » Cool.
>> Can you send could do email copy that
[1:44:46] email? Sure.
>> Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go
[1:44:50] ahead because we do have so getting kind
of close and I'm just going like this.
[1:44:54] Um,
no, that's I'm not I'm just I'm just
[1:44:57] kidding. You weren't doing that. Um,
then can I make a motion that we agree
[1:45:02] to meet in three weeks?
We have to find out the time and the
[1:45:08] place
and it has to be on I can well Stephanie
[1:45:15] she's not with us anymore. Stephanie can
send out something uh
[1:45:21] whatever or else I'll do it until next
meeting. I don't know. But we do need to
[1:45:26] we you know this has been going on too
long and we need to start looking at it
[1:45:30] [clears throat]
>> and uh this is a good good thing that's
[1:45:33] come up here.
>> Three weeks would be August 5th.
[1:45:37] » I mean if we could make it exactly
halfway in between or okay that would be
[1:45:41] good.
>> July and September.
[1:45:43] » Okay.
>> Halfway in between September.
[1:45:46] » That would be the n Whoops.
>> That'd be four weeks.
[1:45:49] » That' be the 12th. And by that time,
maybe we would have time to to really do
[1:45:54] a good show.
>> Come up with something a draft and then
[1:45:57] Okay.
[1:46:00] » And I'm gonna send you guys what they
sent us. And I think you're going to be
[1:46:04] shocked.
>> Well,
[1:46:07] they're going to be shocked with with
what they sent to the veterinarians
[1:46:11] because there's two things that you got
to do and you got to do one then you got
[1:46:15] to go into another thing. You got to
import into subject. It's a mess.
[1:46:18] » Okay. There's eight Wednesdays between
this meeting and the next.
[1:46:24] » So it would be it so we'd either do it
the 12th or the 19th would either be the
[1:46:27] fourth or fifth week.
>> Uh
[1:46:31] » 12th
>> 12th.
[1:46:34] » Okay. Uh and so we'll do the we'll do
the 12th and see. Um I'll send out
[1:46:40] » Well, we can What's What do you guys I
don't need to send out I think because
[1:46:44] we've got everyone but Stephanie here.
Yeah, you just send it. We Well, send it
[1:46:49] to me and then you can send it to
everybody else too as a CC.
[1:46:54] » Okay. CC survey.
>> No, no, no.
[1:47:01] » Talking points for veterinarians.
>> Oh, I Yes, I can do that.
[1:47:07] » Okay. So,
>> so we have five questions. I think
[1:47:13] » we have five questions for them.
Yeah, that was it.
[1:47:17] » Licensing.
>> I have licensing the the money, how
[1:47:21] they're paying payment options, which
covers quite a bit of um how can we make
[1:47:26] it easier for the vets to submit info
the break. Okay, that's question number
[1:47:31] three is the breakdown um between
digital checks in the mail um or how
[1:47:37] many came through the vets. And then
question number four is how many one,
[1:47:41] two, and threeear licenses. And then
number five is on the reminders.
[1:47:46] » Okay. Well, I would do a number six one.
I'm gonna say what do they think would
[1:47:51] be could would help them. So I would
suggest
[1:47:53] » Okay.
>> What could you what information could
[1:47:56] you give us that would make your job
easier? Okay. So that would be this the
[1:47:59] next one.
>> Can I can I recommend just I'm not
[1:48:02] trying to change but no it's what you're
wanting to ask which is how how can what
[1:48:07] are your recommendations for getting
licenses back to the 40,000 license
[1:48:13] level.
>> That's that's
[1:48:16] not the quite that's not the
>> Can you repeat what you said?
[1:48:19] » Okay. Say what would make
>> what would make their job easier to get
[1:48:24] this taken care of and then
>> participation. Yeah. Awesome.
[1:48:28] » And then they could say, "What do they
recommend we do too?" So that would be
[1:48:31] two different questions.
>> Well, I'm my question is what what do
[1:48:35] they think they can do?
>> Yes.
[1:48:38] » In their changing in their process to
get
[1:48:41] » Yeah.
>> I mean, they know their process. They
[1:48:43] know
>> 40,000 is to 8,000 is a huge change.
[1:48:48] What they can give suggestions to you
guys and how they think they can get
[1:48:53] back up to 40,000. I would think they're
professionals. Let them problem solve.
[1:49:00] » Okay. So, the problem that we have now
is that we've got some questions.
[1:49:03] Hopefully, you can type them up and send
them out to everybody, but we cannot
[1:49:08] talk about it. Okay. Because we cannot
do anything. I mean, we can talk three
[1:49:13] and three,
>> but we're can we can talk, but but so
[1:49:17] that's why we need to have a committee
because we can't do this. We cannot do
[1:49:22] this by the by email. We can't because
it's going to end up getting us in
[1:49:26] trouble because people are going to be
saying, "What about this? What about
[1:49:29] this?" And all a sudden we have
discussion over not the same questions,
[1:49:33] but we have a discussion over the same
agenda item. Okay.
[1:49:37] » If we get the answers [clears throat]
>> and one of us has questions on the
[1:49:43] answer, we could always send it to Emily
>> and she can send it on.
[1:49:48] » I don't know.
We can do that. We cannot do that. But
[1:49:52] you could you could just email Jan, but
you can't email the rest of us.
[1:49:55] » But then but then that's that's coming
back and forth. That is that is a
[1:49:59] meeting. Okay. If Jan answers it and
answers all of us, that's breaks or even
[1:50:03] for that breaks coma. So I will I'll
verify this. But I'll tell you what they
[1:50:08] say. You don't even you know you you
>> I'm not saying that we that we send our
[1:50:14] questions to all of us.
I'm saying if we have a question on the
[1:50:20] response, we could send it to Jan or to
Jan or or
[1:50:24] » but I think I think that the question
should be all it should not be just an
[1:50:29] individual here and here and here and we
don't I think it should be a questions
[1:50:31] that come as a poll. Okay. So let's just
what's going to happen is we're going to
[1:50:36] go ahead and have a meeting in in a
month. Okay. Time and place will be
[1:50:41] determined
>> and and do we think we'll have answers
[1:50:43] to those questions at that time? No.
Well,
[1:50:47] » I hope so. Why would we not? We can send
those away.
[1:50:50] » We can talk about
send those to Emily to send to
[1:50:56] Emily and Jen. Will you take those
>> and send those to them? Okay. And tell
[1:51:01] them that we would like answers by the
next meeting which would be
[1:51:08] » 12th of August.
>> August.
[1:51:12] What was
>> I saw? What was your question for what
[1:51:16] did you
>> Well, I I was trying I thought I was
[1:51:19] trying to get to the same place, but but
it's what would their recommendation be
[1:51:24] » how to get licensing back up to previous
high levels of 40,000 licenses? What are
[1:51:32] their re process recommendations? And it
would whether that's email reminders of
[1:51:36] past or working I mean whatever. What
are their recommendations for getting
[1:51:41] back up to past higher levels?
>> It's somewhat same. I'm just saying what
[1:51:48] that's
I'm trying to say what how is it going
[1:51:52] to be made easier? Okay. How can we do
that? Because I'm saying
[1:51:56] » recommendations to make this
>> what what is what is the most difficult
[1:51:59] thing about this that's hard for you to
do or something like that.
[1:52:02] » Yeah. So I have two on that. I have what
would make your job easier? What
[1:52:06] obstacles you
>> face? That's a good What obstacles do
[1:52:10] you face? That's a good That's a good
way of putting it.
[1:52:12] » Yeah. So, I think that there are two two
parts of it.
[1:52:17] » Do you have any recommendations?
>> What do you think about how things come
[1:52:20] into
>> Okay.
[1:52:22] » I know we elected you first chair for a
reason. [laughter]
[1:52:28] » Okay.
>> We have seven questions.
[1:52:31] » Okay. And you're going to send those?
>> I will send all of us to
[1:52:37] » CC. Yeah, just send them all and that
should be maybe by the end of the week.
[1:52:41] » Oh yeah.
>> Okay.
[1:52:43] » Um
and I'll send you what I've got.
[1:52:46] » Okay. Any other questions? We got to go
on because almost to leave and I've just
[1:52:51] got a few more things to go over.
>> I have one question. The animals that
[1:52:55] get reclaimed from the Witcht Animal
Shelter, uh, when they go out to the the
[1:53:00] door with their owners, are they
required to buy a license?
[1:53:03] » Yes, they are.
>> Yes, they are. So, when a when an animal
[1:53:07] is picked up by animal control, you can
buy when an animal's picked up, they
[1:53:09] pay, if it's not spay or neuter, they
pay a $75 spay and neuter. They pay a
[1:53:14] $15 license fee and they pay for a
rabies vac. No, they don't. Yeah, they
[1:53:20] do pay for $25 for a rabies vaccination.
And then they also have to pay whatever
[1:53:25] else cost.
>> Well, and I would say that they pay the
[1:53:28] $15 for the for the license, but that
doesn't mean that they get the license.
[1:53:32] They still have to go proof because a
lot of times, well, most of the time
[1:53:37] animals are licensed. They also don't
have rabies or they don't have anything
[1:53:41] they need.
>> And that's and we get
[1:53:44] » and so they have to go get the rabies or
get them spayed neutered and then they
[1:53:48] can get the actual license. But I don't
know that a lot of them get back.
[1:53:53] » Well, we get the ones that come in from
city vouchers from you guys. They get
[1:53:57] everything because we tell them that we
say, "Okay, now did you pay for the
[1:54:00] rabies? Did you pay for the for the
spade duter?" And no, the license
[1:54:03] doesn't come to us with that. But now
that you got the rabies that said the
[1:54:06] license is free of course you take all
this stuff and you've already paid for
[1:54:09] the license, but you have to take it
back. So that we do that on a regular
[1:54:12] basis. Okay. Okay. Any questions? Okay.
We're going to go on with just I I
[1:54:18] presented last time I presented a a uh
something that you guys couldn't read
[1:54:23] and so I I peaceiled it and I want to
talk to you about the KGA AFI
[1:54:29] regulations uh that are changing and I
mean I'm so frustrated I don't know what
[1:54:34] to say because I found out more
information. So this is a process that
[1:54:37] has to go through. Uh it no it was not
we did not have any regulations that
[1:54:43] went live at all. that was the program
that allowed them to um do this by email
[1:54:50] instead of tape and page. And so I think
Stephanie was a little confused about
[1:54:53] that. But on September 2025, the uh the
regulations were submitted by the state
[1:55:00] agency to the department. They went to
the state agency. Then they went to the
[1:55:04] department of administration. They
passed through that. They went to the
[1:55:08] attorney general's. And guess what
happened? the attorney general found out
[1:55:11] something was not right with the with
the recommendation. So they sent them
[1:55:15] all the way back to the state agency.
Okay. And so now they went back to the
[1:55:19] state agency. They are went through the
department of administration and as of
[1:55:23] today they're stuck in
the AG's office, the attorney the
[1:55:28] attorney general's office and um nobody
knows what's going on with those
[1:55:33] regulations except hopefully KPA has
filed a coma requirement
[1:55:40] uh for what the new regulations look
like because they started off in one
[1:55:44] way. They went through here the attorney
general said uh oh there's a problem
[1:55:47] with this and we don't like it. So they
sent it back. So they made some changes
[1:55:50] then they sent all the way back and now
we want to know whether those changes
[1:55:53] are going to be sufficient or not. Then
they still have to go through a bunch of
[1:55:57] different things. So I just want to let
you know that the regulations as of I
[1:56:03] think it was in 2022 or no 2023 when pay
when they when they
[1:56:10] » kicked everybody's behind because they
decided they wanted to be really nasty.
[1:56:15] And so the uh regulations that determine
all these terrible things that rescues
[1:56:21] and shelters have to do are still stuck
in the AG's office. Still stuck in the
[1:56:26] AG's office. It's so frustrating. But
this is a this a whole deal about how
[1:56:31] what these things go through. And um if
if they get to this the uh step four um
[1:56:38] if they get through and go through step
four, step five, then the regulations
[1:56:42] will be made public to the public and
then there'll be a public hearing and
[1:56:47] then if that doesn't go back, they can
also then go back and go go return to
[1:56:52] step two. Okay. So, it's just
frustrating. It's just real frustrating.
[1:56:57] So, um they're not they're not anywhere.
is you know if you know us if you know
[1:57:05] someone if you can contact your you know
senate your senator or your
[1:57:08] representative
>> is this the one and which can you just
[1:57:11] for the record say which one you're
talking about which
[1:57:14] » this is the regulations this is all the
regulations
[1:57:16] » all the regulations
>> for k for AFI against and I say against
[1:57:20] because I feel it's against uh animals
in the animal shelters um about
[1:57:27] requirements that they can't be moved
here or there neonatals have to starve
[1:57:30] to death
>> that's what I Yeah.
[1:57:33] » No, the neonatals, the neonates, but
they're not regul They not regulations.
[1:57:37] They were ordinance and that failed.
Okay. So, that does not go included in
[1:57:41] the regulations. Yes.
>> Just got a couple quick things. Um, I
[1:57:45] had a crown drilled on today. So, if I
said or made nonsense at times, the
[1:57:50] dentist may have went a little too far
up into my roof of my mouth and the
[1:57:55] novacane might have penetrated my
cranium. Um,
[1:58:00] in July of 2015 is when the animal board
started, July of 2015. So, we're talking
[1:58:06] 11 years ago. Um, and Stephanie and I
were the only two individuals who have
[1:58:12] been to every meeting since then. And
then also, Chief Snow is reti retiring
[1:58:17] in uh August if you haven't heard. And
she's coming to speak to me neighborhood
[1:58:24] on um the 20th of uh July. and then
Grand View Metal Arc on the 21st and uh
[1:58:32] we're making her a cake a bulk night and
uh and we're going to send her off uh
[1:58:37] into her retirement.
>> Okay. And they hired one of somebody
[1:58:41] today.
>> You know who it was?
[1:58:43] » Chief Meyers and he's out of Houston. I
believe he's second in command in
[1:58:48] Houston.
>> Out of out of state.
[1:58:50] » It'll be on at 56. Okay.
>> It'll be on at 56.
[1:58:53] » Do I hear a motion to adjurnn?
>> I move we adjourn. I'll second.
[1:58:58] » All those in favor?