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all right good evening today is uh
Friday June 21st 2024 the time is 6:05 m

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in the town of Wiggins Board of Trustees
special meeting is now in

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session Pledge of

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Allegiance roll call
please trustee Mandy C Larry is absent

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trusty Jerry Schmid here trusty Brian
flax is absent mayor protim David

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herbsman is absent trusty Bruce Miller
here trusty St Pro here mayor Chris

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fransen here all right the topic of
tonight's discussion is Town manager

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interview
questions so in front of you you have

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some uh sample interview questions what
I want to do is go through and uh

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kind of choose I don't know eight to 10
good questions for the first round of

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interviews that uh we will do Monday
Tuesday and Wednesday with the

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applicants and I'd like to do the same
ones obviously for each individual just

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so we can get a read on them and then uh
what'll happen after that is we'll

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narrow it
down uh hopefully to some good qualified

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candidates and then uh we will be one of
the interview processes and then I will

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have some Town staff like a committee uh
do interview questions as

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well
so um if you guys look through those

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let's choose I don't know eight to 10 of
them the time slot is set at an hour um

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for the
interview like if it goes over it goes

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over a little bit
but I'd like to try to keep it to that

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for that first

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round I think one the first question
should be you know what makes you want

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to apply to be the town manager for
wigin Colorado yeah what's the

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motivation for it yeah

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or that even that number two on that
first sample

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yeah number eight

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also yeah that's an important one yeah

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yeah I think that number eight on the
one and number seven on the other pretty

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much the

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same e

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number
25 on which one 25

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on describe your experience with grant
writing and securing funding for

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municipal projects that one I love it
yeah yeah

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I think we should ask some kind of
question about water sewer yeah looking

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for it yeah and I and I don't know if
there's an exact question in here

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pertaining to that but maybe we could
think of a good well-rounded

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question um because I don't know if
there's exactly I didn't think I saw one

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number nine it talks about uh
infrastructure

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projects first page number nine prze
infrastructure yeah prioritize such as

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Road repairs of facility upgrades you
can always throw water and sewer in

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there thoughts about
that because it all falls underneath the

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same category infrastructure projects
yeah

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when we get a new Town Administrator are
we going to make him be an

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interm like like on a probation
for a

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year so I don't I don't think that's how
it's

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advertised cuz I think when you guys did
it last time it was advertised or you

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advertised for an interim so we had the
option to do

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that
um and I mean I'm not I'm

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just I don't
know I don't know necessarily if that's

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needed well we got to put him on some
kind of trial for a while just to see

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and and when I say that he he still can
be the Town Administrator but I

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hope I hope we can see further ahead
than what we seen with

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Tom
yeah I I don't know it's just a thought

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it's a yeah no

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yeah cuz I'm not sure how Tom's or how
the

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previous interim worked you you've seen
that

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contract didn't it didn't you so it
well there there for a long time it did

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say interm yeah and then he went to yeah
and then he went to the

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actual but but I don't know I can't
remember cuz I you guys at that time

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were looking for an
interim is how you advertised it yeah

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and we didn't advertise it that way this
time

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um I think there's some stuff we could
probably put like in the

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contract that would help
or help

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us but I think
with we and we've had two more people

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apply
um so we have 10 in total no nine cuz

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one backed
out so I think even from you know

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looking at a lot of the resumes I think
we have a really good pool of candidates

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yeah whether they're local or out of
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right I don't want to see the same
contract rode up for whoever we hire Tom

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and Paul yeah

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yeah I like Nicole's
questions explain explain me explain me

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how do you deal with when you're
overwhelmed or under for me yeah you

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quit and go to work for Fort

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Mor that's
funny what's the truth it's the truth

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even like number

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34 I don't know it's a pretty decent
question just to see where they

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go cuz every every town manager is going
to come in with their own

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priority well I guess we got to be
careful how we ask that one because if

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it's somebody who's not from here they
don't know Town very well but if you

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know a small town you know a small
town yeah yeah there there are some

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questions on here that so like the one
guy actually came out here and drove

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around yeah so which
yeah yeah you gota be careful when you

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ask that one that's all I'm saying

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because which guy came out was it the
guy from Arizona or Jackson or Illinois

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or the guy that withdrew oh from
Longmont yeah oh

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yeah does that explain why he with

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Drew
hey we got a lot going on right now and

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some people can't handle

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it and he's he was
retired yeah so I don't I don't

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necessarily blame him I guess I don't no
that's a lot to do if you're retired I

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think no I yeah I
agree isn't like it's a part-time

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job I think
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question
yeah but also so

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I if you're applying for a
job I know you can't do a ton of

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research about Wiggins
online but if you're applying to run the

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town you should be doing some kind of
research I would agree especially at the

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price range we have set at what I'm to
think so that's why I'm almost tempted

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to ask that priority question just to
see who's done the research and what

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they know we know one candidate for sure
is going to have a well there's working

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knowledge yeah well there's probably
three of them that should

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true one for
sure yeah so two for sure two for sure

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true Nick Nathan and CH yeah yeah for
sure exactly and I hey if I was applying

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for a job that of this scope I would be
doing my research oh yeah absolutely you

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need to know what you're stepping into
yeah as best you can yeah

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and to me that just
shows kind of

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your dedication or your
uh well how you view a how you view

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commitment to yeah commitment position I

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agree like
maybe maybe for the local guys we just

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ask them I would like to ask them number
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just the local
guys yeah I would agree with

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that just to see what they what how they
view

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it I put local
only just to because they they've been

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submerged in
it they have working knowledge of it to

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a certain
extent

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yeah
so 25

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is that 25 is that on the
colds uh yeah yeah that's one of my

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questions yeah yeah I knew you'd like
that one

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yeah and nobody else is going to know
any anything about augmentation or any

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of that yeah not even even Nathan even
he lives in enclosed Basin he's never I

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mean he ibly talks to people about it
well you probably know with Planning and

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Zoning maybe some
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know I like question 21 on Nicole's
about handling employee performances

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just handling employee
issues yeah yeah no I think that's a

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good question because everyone reports
up to

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them where did the one go about
priorities I lost it

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34 yes 34

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so we have one two
three four

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five and then once we choose the eight
or 10 let's number them that way yeah

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that way we can have our start at number
one like hey this is our number one

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question I'm just going to
listen no you're you're going to ask one

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of the question
I know which one's going to ask I want

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each board member to ask question that's
that's all that's all Bruce right there

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grant writing I'm gonna stand over here
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205 what about 16 when the money goes
short yeah I saw that one

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too you just deal with it when it
happens yeah there was another one I saw

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about balancing the
budget where was it oh about the budget

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yeah I saw that
one on the sample number 13 in the

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budget are
process oh yeah number 16 has something

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about the budget but I know I seen the
one that you was looking

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for is a little sensitive on the sample
thing articulate what you believe is the

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ideal relationship between board and
manager I do like that

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one you got uncover the employees the
budget authorities your Authority

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MH I always like and it's usually not on
these I always like a question of if you

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could
have three core values for the town what

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would they
be like as a

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group like for your for the town staff
if you could have core values for Town

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staff what would they what would your
core values be be an example if they

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said what would be an
example well if they don't know what

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core values are
then see what you were thinking

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yeah I
just I don't know I like to see

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that well I think I asked you that

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I I ask pretty much everybody that
because I want to see what they list is

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communication on there Integrity on
there commitment theft leadership K like

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what what would your core values be yeah
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true you know well it's not designed to
be simple interview here we're

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interviewing for yeah a high level
position that yeah you

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know and you know it might come to the
point

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where it's going to be tough to have a
decision without having like a second

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interview or something it's true I mean
well there's going to be a second

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interview oh okay yeah well you're the
mayor

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that's I'm just what people tell me

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how many questions we got so far

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Chris um one two three

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four five six

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seven we've got seven and then eight for
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good I am going to think of the question
for core

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values since we have the reputation of
this down not getting along very many

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people about 12 and 14 combination on
the goals how you going to manage

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relationships U for operation with
another

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municipality yeah one I thought of was
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yeah be a butthead about things that

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level of expertise I'm curious to see
how many of the candidates possess

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something along those lines because that
takes a special person who knows who's

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been
in town leadership in some

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capacity and they know the ins and outs
of of working

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that whether it's politically or whether
it's working as system in your favor or

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something like that so I'm curious to
see how many of our C our our candidates

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possess that working knowledge of that
that situation

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scars it's like anything else it's not
necessarily what you know it's who you

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know in certain cases we know that well
in small town it's definitely who you

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know oh no doubt about that but when
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too

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yeah yeah 14 I think would cover a lot
of that

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yeah all right what would be your number
one question what appeals you about a

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town and why do you you want to be part
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future I think your core value question
should be number one

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yeah what the heck so I put if you had
to if you had to choose Three core

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values for Town staff and yourself what
would they be and

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why that sound okay yeah it sounds good
yeah all

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right put some on notice

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okay so number
one number two what appeals you about

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town and why do you want to be a part of
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future

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yeah number

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three uh describe your experience with
grant

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writing that number 25 yeah yeah
that's the Bruce question y number

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four if hired what would be your top

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priority you guys all right with that
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so if you look at the sample one number
four number eight are almost they're

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real
similar do we just choose one of

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those I think number Eight's a better
question I do too cuz then it involves

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policies that are unpopular town

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mhm because how will some of those guys
know what the top priority of our town

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would be if they've never been here well
that's why I want to see if they did

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research

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research I don't like that question but
that's just me I love

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it I don't know why you can agree to
disagree but I I think you're gonna get

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answers that you're that are I don't
know I I somebody comes in here and

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tells me they want to build a thousand
houses I'm instantly going to set their

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resume aside right well there's that but
yeah like I want to know what your top

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priority like
what because as a town manager you get

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to decide a lot you do so what do you
what what's your priority but this is

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based on Research he's done and not
actually getting nuts and bolts of it

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because that could
change that likely will

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change and if he if a candidate says
well you know I don't exactly know

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what's going on in town
but I would associate it with the top

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what you know whatever it wouldn't
bother

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me it's just that everybody's going to
have a rock yard they put up five more

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house 500 more houses everybody's going
to have a rocket because we ain't got

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the water yeah we just don't and I know
Tom kept saying oh we got all kinds of

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water yeah with Castel Rock going in you
know filling our depletions yeah for

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72,000 a year well so we have water we
just don't have retention to get the

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credits that's why we have Castle Rock I
know well so if we built retention that

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way we do we got more homes in here
though we ain't going to have enough

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water well we need another water
tower we just need one should have

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should have had the water tower my mind
yeah we need that water tower bad with

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this process start seven years ago for
that eight okay well beyond time that

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thing should have been done up and we
shouldn't even having a conversation at

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this stage of the game yeah we should be
talking about the second it's called

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procrastination no it's it's just it's
just yeah it's extreme procrastination

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that's the problem I want to ask that
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but which one what's your opinion on
procrastination yeah but there's another

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question about like it
because that's my biggest thing is

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procrastination like I I have my faults
but I do too well and I

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mean Tom was a good person for being a
person yeah but I think I think he was

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overwhelmed I really do and that's what
he always give as an excuse when the

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employees would quit they just got
overwhelmed but I don't know how how

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many grants did you brightest
zero that I know

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of
yeah because that going underneath the

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railroad tracks Paul wrote that one that
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at like when we were discussing you know
capital projects like like uh third and

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Chapman Chapman and all that stuff I
mean here we are in May and we haven't

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even made a plan together for even
though we talked about it as a board at

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the beginning of the year what are you
waiting for if you think about it

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engineers
month we had a meeting with

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the school school board yeah and we was
going to have a meeting every six months

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that hasn't happened I don't know it
didn't happen we had one was it last

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July a year
ago it was it was last July so we had

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somebody who I agree Tom is great as a
person I like Tom as a person yes I do

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too but I don't know if it's overwhelmed
or lack of organization let's just stay

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on track I got it

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it's easy to cuss and discuss I
know um so question number four is which

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one question number four what are we
using as question number

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four as a town
manager explain how you would balance

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administrating Board of Trustees or do
you want to

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do can you provide a successful
collaboration example of a

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collaboration what's your top priority
what's your approach to employee

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performance I'd say successful
collaboration on

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that number four

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yeah okay five I would tie that in with
the one how do you prioritize infrastru

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infrastructure projects such as Road
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that kind of which one was that number
nine on the Nikki I

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believe Nicole's sorry oh yeah I have it
right yeah because you can kind of

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parlay one into the other I think in
that instance that is an interesting

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question
so excellent so I'm going to put how do

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you prioritize infrastructure projects
such as Road repairs or facility

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upgrades
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Water and Sewer there you go

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okay number

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six we ask the Staffing questions and on
like like the 21 on Nicole's the

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approach to employee performance

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evaluations you want to save that for
later I'd like to save that if if we

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don't get to it i' use that the second

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time so what about number eight yeah
that's number six

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yeah

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um seven

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you want to do question four on the
sample as far as the second approach too

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between employees and board
members know on number four says

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articulate what you believe is the
relationship between the board Intel

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manager you want to keep that to
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round yeah because number eight kind of
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that number 14 on those samples might
not be bad in what ways do you see

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yourself being involved in the

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community it can be a Hands-On type
person are we going to be kind of

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a you

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know it's either 14 or 15 evaluate needs
and wants of town

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what 15 on the coals sorry 15 on the
samples on Sample

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questions how would you go about
evaluating the needs and wants of the

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town because that can be

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tricky priority people won't let him
know well they always

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will just ask our
mayor I like 15 on Nico's

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there you go that's a good one
too iability

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which one 15 on Nicole on Nicole's how
do you ensure transparency and

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accountability in town
operations

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yeah I mean there's a lot of good
questions here yeah and we need to know

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narrow it down to some I know it's it's

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just well and honestly through
discussion some of these other questions

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might just present themselves we can
have them expand upon a point of that

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too did we advertise for a town man
or Town

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Administrator Town manager it's I think
it falls into the same category I know

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but some people are administrators and
some some of them are managers no I

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think this a town manager

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been Town manager because that's what m
MH Melinda's got first question

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yeah all right what's going to be
question number

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seven transpar account transparency and
accountability in operations

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okay and

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then think of one question

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for I want to say the out of state
people and then number 19 would be

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number eight
for local people

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right on the
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form in your view what is the biggest
challenge for the town and what did your

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plan to change the challenge or turn it
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opportunity think that's a good

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question oh you could counter that
question with what would be your top

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priority for the out of Staters true

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so let's make number what is your top
priority number eight even just ask the

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out of state or guys too I mean what so
tell me what you know about Wiggins

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Colorado well I
think number

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two they may go down that path what
appeals you about the town and why do

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you want to be a part of the town's
future yeah that's

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true that that's a good question yeah
because they're going to say well we

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really haven't you know we be known then
we'll know if they're been doing their

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re yeah yeah it's

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true so 34
number8

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yeah
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more I thought about
it with uh Steve backing out I'm going

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to leave that Gap
there that'll either allow us to utilize

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that time with this out of Stater
or we could

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discuss that application or some
previous ones just go over

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some because I've already I don't want
to change the time on him

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yeah keep it how it is so I thought
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home because he's he's an hour behind
us for

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Arizona
um so once we do the interview

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process hopefully we can narrow it down
to however many three four whatever the

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ones that you know really stick out to
us that we can have a second interview

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with and then I would like to do
that what did I tell you the July 8th

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through
12th because you're gone that next week

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right
for uh

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training
okay so I'd like to we'll do the

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interviews next
week they'll have a

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week to I'll set up the second interview
and then do the second interviews the

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week of July 8th through
12th CU then that next week Nicole has

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uh town clerk training so she won't be
here to be a part of the

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process so we'll do it that week and we
can do probably just do one a night

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because they may last I don't know
that'll be the second interview so it

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might take a little bit longer if we go
you kind of get into more depth on those

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anyway yeah yeah

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and we could schedule it where like you
guys could go first and then we could go

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after you

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so that work for
everybody um continue to look through

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the
applicants highlight what sticks out to

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you about
them

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uh yeah and then we'll obviously Monday
we we got three three

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interviews and then Tuesday we have two
and we're starting at 5:30 on Monday

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Craig yeah Monday we have three right
and Tuesday we have

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two and then Wednesday we have two
because Steve I think we only have two

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on Wednesday night don't we yeah yep
after the meeting and the meeting

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there's a few things on the agenda um
but not a whole lot the meeting will

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probably take 45 minutes
and turn it at six yeah yeah yep and

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then we'll do the inter an

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interview okay that's fine starting at
5:30 Monday and Tuesday also cor yep

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okay so Monday it is at 5:30 so Monday
and Tuesday are at 5:30 Wednesday is at

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I think that's
it if you guys come up with another

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question or something jot it down we
could use it for the second round yeah

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um maybe start thinking of question that
just pertain to wigin

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itself like a deeper questions

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so so yeah I think that's that's it I
appreciate you guys coming I really do

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well we we appreciate all all the time
you're taking to do this Chris yes I

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know I know you're making big money in
yeah right s and I

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appreciate Nicole too yeah I know Nicole
there were some damn good questions well

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very good questions