[0:24] all right good evening today is uh
Friday June 21st 2024 the time is 6:05 m
[0:30] in the town of Wiggins Board of Trustees
special meeting is now in
[0:35] session Pledge of
[0:54] Allegiance roll call
please trustee Mandy C Larry is absent
[1:01] trusty Jerry Schmid here trusty Brian
flax is absent mayor protim David
[1:06] herbsman is absent trusty Bruce Miller
here trusty St Pro here mayor Chris
[1:12] fransen here all right the topic of
tonight's discussion is Town manager
[1:18] interview
questions so in front of you you have
[1:23] some uh sample interview questions what
I want to do is go through and uh
[1:30] kind of choose I don't know eight to 10
good questions for the first round of
[1:38] interviews that uh we will do Monday
Tuesday and Wednesday with the
[1:43] applicants and I'd like to do the same
ones obviously for each individual just
[1:48] so we can get a read on them and then uh
what'll happen after that is we'll
[1:53] narrow it
down uh hopefully to some good qualified
[1:57] candidates and then uh we will be one of
the interview processes and then I will
[2:03] have some Town staff like a committee uh
do interview questions as
[2:10] well
so um if you guys look through those
[2:16] let's choose I don't know eight to 10 of
them the time slot is set at an hour um
[2:22] for the
interview like if it goes over it goes
[2:25] over a little bit
but I'd like to try to keep it to that
[2:30] for that first
[2:37] round I think one the first question
should be you know what makes you want
[2:43] to apply to be the town manager for
wigin Colorado yeah what's the
[2:48] motivation for it yeah
[3:01] or that even that number two on that
first sample
[3:09] yeah number eight
[3:16] also yeah that's an important one yeah
[3:44] yeah I think that number eight on the
one and number seven on the other pretty
[3:49] much the
[3:58] same e
[4:44] number
25 on which one 25
[4:51] on describe your experience with grant
writing and securing funding for
[4:55] municipal projects that one I love it
yeah yeah
[5:03] I think we should ask some kind of
question about water sewer yeah looking
[5:10] for it yeah and I and I don't know if
there's an exact question in here
[5:13] pertaining to that but maybe we could
think of a good well-rounded
[5:18] question um because I don't know if
there's exactly I didn't think I saw one
[5:23] number nine it talks about uh
infrastructure
[5:27] projects first page number nine prze
infrastructure yeah prioritize such as
[5:32] Road repairs of facility upgrades you
can always throw water and sewer in
[5:35] there thoughts about
that because it all falls underneath the
[5:41] same category infrastructure projects
yeah
[6:09] when we get a new Town Administrator are
we going to make him be an
[6:15] interm like like on a probation
for a
[6:25] year so I don't I don't think that's how
it's
[6:30] advertised cuz I think when you guys did
it last time it was advertised or you
[6:34] advertised for an interim so we had the
option to do
[6:39] that
um and I mean I'm not I'm
[6:43] just I don't
know I don't know necessarily if that's
[6:54] needed well we got to put him on some
kind of trial for a while just to see
[6:59] and and when I say that he he still can
be the Town Administrator but I
[7:04] hope I hope we can see further ahead
than what we seen with
[7:13] Tom
yeah I I don't know it's just a thought
[7:18] it's a yeah no
[7:28] yeah cuz I'm not sure how Tom's or how
the
[7:34] previous interim worked you you've seen
that
[7:38] contract didn't it didn't you so it
well there there for a long time it did
[7:45] say interm yeah and then he went to yeah
and then he went to the
[7:51] actual but but I don't know I can't
remember cuz I you guys at that time
[7:56] were looking for an
interim is how you advertised it yeah
[8:02] and we didn't advertise it that way this
time
[8:08] um I think there's some stuff we could
probably put like in the
[8:12] contract that would help
or help
[8:18] us but I think
with we and we've had two more people
[8:26] apply
um so we have 10 in total no nine cuz
[8:31] one backed
out so I think even from you know
[8:36] looking at a lot of the resumes I think
we have a really good pool of candidates
[8:42] yeah whether they're local or out of
state
[8:49] right I don't want to see the same
contract rode up for whoever we hire Tom
[8:56] and Paul yeah
[9:16] yeah I like Nicole's
questions explain explain me explain me
[9:25] how do you deal with when you're
overwhelmed or under for me yeah you
[9:31] quit and go to work for Fort
[9:36] Mor that's
funny what's the truth it's the truth
[9:43] even like number
[9:46] 34 I don't know it's a pretty decent
question just to see where they
[9:56] go cuz every every town manager is going
to come in with their own
[10:02] priority well I guess we got to be
careful how we ask that one because if
[10:06] it's somebody who's not from here they
don't know Town very well but if you
[10:09] know a small town you know a small
town yeah yeah there there are some
[10:14] questions on here that so like the one
guy actually came out here and drove
[10:19] around yeah so which
yeah yeah you gota be careful when you
[10:26] ask that one that's all I'm saying
[10:32] because which guy came out was it the
guy from Arizona or Jackson or Illinois
[10:37] or the guy that withdrew oh from
Longmont yeah oh
[10:43] yeah does that explain why he with
[10:48] Drew
hey we got a lot going on right now and
[10:53] some people can't handle
[10:56] it and he's he was
retired yeah so I don't I don't
[11:04] necessarily blame him I guess I don't no
that's a lot to do if you're retired I
[11:09] think no I yeah I
agree isn't like it's a part-time
[11:17] job I think
18 on the sample one is a pretty good
[11:26] question
yeah but also so
[11:30] I if you're applying for a
job I know you can't do a ton of
[11:36] research about Wiggins
online but if you're applying to run the
[11:41] town you should be doing some kind of
research I would agree especially at the
[11:45] price range we have set at what I'm to
think so that's why I'm almost tempted
[11:50] to ask that priority question just to
see who's done the research and what
[11:54] they know we know one candidate for sure
is going to have a well there's working
[11:59] knowledge yeah well there's probably
three of them that should
[12:03] true one for
sure yeah so two for sure two for sure
[12:09] true Nick Nathan and CH yeah yeah for
sure exactly and I hey if I was applying
[12:15] for a job that of this scope I would be
doing my research oh yeah absolutely you
[12:19] need to know what you're stepping into
yeah as best you can yeah
[12:29] and to me that just
shows kind of
[12:33] your dedication or your
uh well how you view a how you view
[12:40] commitment to yeah commitment position I
[12:52] agree like
maybe maybe for the local guys we just
[12:57] ask them I would like to ask them number
19
[13:00] just the local
guys yeah I would agree with
[13:05] that just to see what they what how they
view
[13:10] it I put local
only just to because they they've been
[13:15] submerged in
it they have working knowledge of it to
[13:19] a certain
extent
[13:24] yeah
so 25
[13:51] is that 25 is that on the
colds uh yeah yeah that's one of my
[13:58] questions yeah yeah I knew you'd like
that one
[14:06] yeah and nobody else is going to know
any anything about augmentation or any
[14:12] of that yeah not even even Nathan even
he lives in enclosed Basin he's never I
[14:22] mean he ibly talks to people about it
well you probably know with Planning and
[14:27] Zoning maybe some
I don't
[14:34] know I like question 21 on Nicole's
about handling employee performances
[14:39] just handling employee
issues yeah yeah no I think that's a
[14:45] good question because everyone reports
up to
[14:50] them where did the one go about
priorities I lost it
[14:56] 34 yes 34
[15:01] so we have one two
three four
[15:13] five and then once we choose the eight
or 10 let's number them that way yeah
[15:19] that way we can have our start at number
one like hey this is our number one
[15:23] question I'm just going to
listen no you're you're going to ask one
[15:28] of the question
I know which one's going to ask I want
[15:32] each board member to ask question that's
that's all that's all Bruce right there
[15:36] grant writing I'm gonna stand over here
going
[15:40] 205 what about 16 when the money goes
short yeah I saw that one
[15:47] too you just deal with it when it
happens yeah there was another one I saw
[15:53] about balancing the
budget where was it oh about the budget
[16:01] yeah I saw that
one on the sample number 13 in the
[16:07] budget are
process oh yeah number 16 has something
[16:13] about the budget but I know I seen the
one that you was looking
[16:44] for is a little sensitive on the sample
thing articulate what you believe is the
[16:50] ideal relationship between board and
manager I do like that
[16:56] one you got uncover the employees the
budget authorities your Authority
[17:12] MH I always like and it's usually not on
these I always like a question of if you
[17:20] could
have three core values for the town what
[17:24] would they
be like as a
[17:30] group like for your for the town staff
if you could have core values for Town
[17:36] staff what would they what would your
core values be be an example if they
[17:40] said what would be an
example well if they don't know what
[17:43] core values are
then see what you were thinking
[17:48] yeah I
just I don't know I like to see
[17:53] that well I think I asked you that
[18:00] I I ask pretty much everybody that
because I want to see what they list is
[18:04] communication on there Integrity on
there commitment theft leadership K like
[18:12] what what would your core values be yeah
it's
[18:15] true you know well it's not designed to
be simple interview here we're
[18:19] interviewing for yeah a high level
position that yeah you
[18:26] know and you know it might come to the
point
[18:30] where it's going to be tough to have a
decision without having like a second
[18:35] interview or something it's true I mean
well there's going to be a second
[18:40] interview oh okay yeah well you're the
mayor
[18:46] that's I'm just what people tell me
[19:00] how many questions we got so far
[19:04] Chris um one two three
[19:08] four five six
[19:12] seven we've got seven and then eight for
local that might be F that might be
[19:19] good I am going to think of the question
for core
[19:26] values since we have the reputation of
this down not getting along very many
[19:29] people about 12 and 14 combination on
the goals how you going to manage
[19:36] relationships U for operation with
another
[19:42] municipality yeah one I thought of was
Castle
[19:47] Rock
yeah be a butthead about things that
[19:54] level of expertise I'm curious to see
how many of the candidates possess
[19:59] something along those lines because that
takes a special person who knows who's
[20:04] been
in town leadership in some
[20:08] capacity and they know the ins and outs
of of working
[20:13] that whether it's politically or whether
it's working as system in your favor or
[20:17] something like that so I'm curious to
see how many of our C our our candidates
[20:23] possess that working knowledge of that
that situation
[20:29] scars it's like anything else it's not
necessarily what you know it's who you
[20:33] know in certain cases we know that well
in small town it's definitely who you
[20:36] know oh no doubt about that but when
you're working with other other towns
[20:40] too
[20:46] yeah yeah 14 I think would cover a lot
of that
[20:52] yeah all right what would be your number
one question what appeals you about a
[20:57] town and why do you you want to be part
of the town's
[21:02] future I think your core value question
should be number one
[21:07] yeah what the heck so I put if you had
to if you had to choose Three core
[21:14] values for Town staff and yourself what
would they be and
[21:18] why that sound okay yeah it sounds good
yeah all
[21:23] right put some on notice
[21:30] okay so number
one number two what appeals you about
[21:36] town and why do you want to be a part of
the town's
[21:40] future
[21:46] yeah number
[21:49] three uh describe your experience with
grant
[21:55] writing that number 25 yeah yeah
that's the Bruce question y number
[22:03] four if hired what would be your top
[22:20] priority you guys all right with that
one
[22:37] so if you look at the sample one number
four number eight are almost they're
[22:42] real
similar do we just choose one of
[22:51] those I think number Eight's a better
question I do too cuz then it involves
[22:56] policies that are unpopular town
[23:01] mhm because how will some of those guys
know what the top priority of our town
[23:05] would be if they've never been here well
that's why I want to see if they did
[23:08] research
[23:12] research I don't like that question but
that's just me I love
[23:17] it I don't know why you can agree to
disagree but I I think you're gonna get
[23:21] answers that you're that are I don't
know I I somebody comes in here and
[23:27] tells me they want to build a thousand
houses I'm instantly going to set their
[23:32] resume aside right well there's that but
yeah like I want to know what your top
[23:37] priority like
what because as a town manager you get
[23:42] to decide a lot you do so what do you
what what's your priority but this is
[23:47] based on Research he's done and not
actually getting nuts and bolts of it
[23:50] because that could
change that likely will
[23:55] change and if he if a candidate says
well you know I don't exactly know
[24:02] what's going on in town
but I would associate it with the top
[24:07] what you know whatever it wouldn't
bother
[24:10] me it's just that everybody's going to
have a rock yard they put up five more
[24:16] house 500 more houses everybody's going
to have a rocket because we ain't got
[24:19] the water yeah we just don't and I know
Tom kept saying oh we got all kinds of
[24:24] water yeah with Castel Rock going in you
know filling our depletions yeah for
[24:30] 72,000 a year well so we have water we
just don't have retention to get the
[24:37] credits that's why we have Castle Rock I
know well so if we built retention that
[24:43] way we do we got more homes in here
though we ain't going to have enough
[24:47] water well we need another water
tower we just need one should have
[24:52] should have had the water tower my mind
yeah we need that water tower bad with
[24:57] this process start seven years ago for
that eight okay well beyond time that
[25:02] thing should have been done up and we
shouldn't even having a conversation at
[25:05] this stage of the game yeah we should be
talking about the second it's called
[25:10] procrastination no it's it's just it's
just yeah it's extreme procrastination
[25:15] that's the problem I want to ask that
question
[25:18] but which one what's your opinion on
procrastination yeah but there's another
[25:24] question about like it
because that's my biggest thing is
[25:30] procrastination like I I have my faults
but I do too well and I
[25:36] mean Tom was a good person for being a
person yeah but I think I think he was
[25:46] overwhelmed I really do and that's what
he always give as an excuse when the
[25:50] employees would quit they just got
overwhelmed but I don't know how how
[25:57] many grants did you brightest
zero that I know
[26:02] of
yeah because that going underneath the
[26:07] railroad tracks Paul wrote that one that
was done a long time ago you even look
[26:11] at like when we were discussing you know
capital projects like like uh third and
[26:17] Chapman Chapman and all that stuff I
mean here we are in May and we haven't
[26:21] even made a plan together for even
though we talked about it as a board at
[26:24] the beginning of the year what are you
waiting for if you think about it
[26:27] engineers
month we had a meeting with
[26:32] the school school board yeah and we was
going to have a meeting every six months
[26:38] that hasn't happened I don't know it
didn't happen we had one was it last
[26:42] July a year
ago it was it was last July so we had
[26:48] somebody who I agree Tom is great as a
person I like Tom as a person yes I do
[26:53] too but I don't know if it's overwhelmed
or lack of organization let's just stay
[26:57] on track I got it
[27:01] it's easy to cuss and discuss I
know um so question number four is which
[27:06] one question number four what are we
using as question number
[27:11] four as a town
manager explain how you would balance
[27:15] administrating Board of Trustees or do
you want to
[27:19] do can you provide a successful
collaboration example of a
[27:25] collaboration what's your top priority
what's your approach to employee
[27:29] performance I'd say successful
collaboration on
[27:34] that number four
[27:38] yeah okay five I would tie that in with
the one how do you prioritize infrastru
[27:44] infrastructure projects such as Road
repairs and facility upgrades because
[27:47] that kind of which one was that number
nine on the Nikki I
[27:52] believe Nicole's sorry oh yeah I have it
right yeah because you can kind of
[27:58] parlay one into the other I think in
that instance that is an interesting
[28:07] question
so excellent so I'm going to put how do
[28:13] you prioritize infrastructure projects
such as Road repairs or facility
[28:18] upgrades
to
[28:21] Water and Sewer there you go
[28:29] okay number
[28:45] six we ask the Staffing questions and on
like like the 21 on Nicole's the
[28:49] approach to employee performance
[28:54] evaluations you want to save that for
later I'd like to save that if if we
[28:58] don't get to it i' use that the second
[29:05] time so what about number eight yeah
that's number six
[29:11] yeah
[29:16] um seven
[29:28] you want to do question four on the
sample as far as the second approach too
[29:32] between employees and board
members know on number four says
[29:36] articulate what you believe is the
relationship between the board Intel
[29:41] manager you want to keep that to
the second
[29:47] round yeah because number eight kind of
goes into
[29:55] that number 14 on those samples might
not be bad in what ways do you see
[29:58] yourself being involved in the
[30:03] community it can be a Hands-On type
person are we going to be kind of
[30:07] a you
[30:15] know it's either 14 or 15 evaluate needs
and wants of town
[30:31] what 15 on the coals sorry 15 on the
samples on Sample
[30:36] questions how would you go about
evaluating the needs and wants of the
[30:40] town because that can be
[30:45] tricky priority people won't let him
know well they always
[30:51] will just ask our
mayor I like 15 on Nico's
[31:02] there you go that's a good one
too iability
[31:07] which one 15 on Nicole on Nicole's how
do you ensure transparency and
[31:13] accountability in town
operations
[31:22] yeah I mean there's a lot of good
questions here yeah and we need to know
[31:27] narrow it down to some I know it's it's
[31:32] just well and honestly through
discussion some of these other questions
[31:35] might just present themselves we can
have them expand upon a point of that
[31:54] too did we advertise for a town man
or Town
[32:00] Administrator Town manager it's I think
it falls into the same category I know
[32:06] but some people are administrators and
some some of them are managers no I
[32:11] think this a town manager
[32:28] been Town manager because that's what m
MH Melinda's got first question
[32:40] yeah all right what's going to be
question number
[32:50] seven transpar account transparency and
accountability in operations
[33:06] okay and
[33:09] then think of one question
[33:14] for I want to say the out of state
people and then number 19 would be
[33:18] number eight
for local people
[33:26] right on the
sample
[33:33] form in your view what is the biggest
challenge for the town and what did your
[33:36] plan to change the challenge or turn it
into an
[33:40] opportunity think that's a good
[33:48] question oh you could counter that
question with what would be your top
[33:55] priority for the out of Staters true
[34:01] so let's make number what is your top
priority number eight even just ask the
[34:05] out of state or guys too I mean what so
tell me what you know about Wiggins
[34:10] Colorado well I
think number
[34:14] two they may go down that path what
appeals you about the town and why do
[34:19] you want to be a part of the town's
future yeah that's
[34:23] true that that's a good question yeah
because they're going to say well we
[34:28] really haven't you know we be known then
we'll know if they're been doing their
[34:33] re yeah yeah it's
[34:43] true so 34
number8
[34:51] yeah
um so
[34:59] more I thought about
it with uh Steve backing out I'm going
[35:05] to leave that Gap
there that'll either allow us to utilize
[35:11] that time with this out of Stater
or we could
[35:17] discuss that application or some
previous ones just go over
[35:23] some because I've already I don't want
to change the time on him
[35:28] yeah keep it how it is so I thought
about that once I got
[35:33] home because he's he's an hour behind
us for
[35:41] Arizona
um so once we do the interview
[35:48] process hopefully we can narrow it down
to however many three four whatever the
[35:56] ones that you know really stick out to
us that we can have a second interview
[36:00] with and then I would like to do
that what did I tell you the July 8th
[36:07] through
12th because you're gone that next week
[36:12] right
for uh
[36:15] training
okay so I'd like to we'll do the
[36:21] interviews next
week they'll have a
[36:24] week to I'll set up the second interview
and then do the second interviews the
[36:29] week of July 8th through
12th CU then that next week Nicole has
[36:35] uh town clerk training so she won't be
here to be a part of the
[36:41] process so we'll do it that week and we
can do probably just do one a night
[36:47] because they may last I don't know
that'll be the second interview so it
[36:51] might take a little bit longer if we go
you kind of get into more depth on those
[36:56] anyway yeah yeah
[37:00] and we could schedule it where like you
guys could go first and then we could go
[37:03] after you
[37:10] so that work for
everybody um continue to look through
[37:15] the
applicants highlight what sticks out to
[37:20] you about
them
[37:24] uh yeah and then we'll obviously Monday
we we got three three
[37:29] interviews and then Tuesday we have two
and we're starting at 5:30 on Monday
[37:35] Craig yeah Monday we have three right
and Tuesday we have
[37:41] two and then Wednesday we have two
because Steve I think we only have two
[37:46] on Wednesday night don't we yeah yep
after the meeting and the meeting
[37:51] there's a few things on the agenda um
but not a whole lot the meeting will
[37:55] probably take 45 minutes
and turn it at six yeah yeah yep and
[38:00] then we'll do the inter an
[38:05] interview okay that's fine starting at
5:30 Monday and Tuesday also cor yep
[38:14] okay so Monday it is at 5:30 so Monday
and Tuesday are at 5:30 Wednesday is at
[38:20] 6
[38:29] I think that's
it if you guys come up with another
[38:32] question or something jot it down we
could use it for the second round yeah
[38:39] um maybe start thinking of question that
just pertain to wigin
[38:44] itself like a deeper questions
[38:55] so so yeah I think that's that's it I
appreciate you guys coming I really do
[39:01] well we we appreciate all all the time
you're taking to do this Chris yes I
[39:07] know I know you're making big money in
yeah right s and I
[39:13] appreciate Nicole too yeah I know Nicole
there were some damn good questions well
[39:19] very good questions