1 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:47,160 Everyone, we're going to get started. So, just please take a seat. 2 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:56,559 » Good evening everyone and welcome to the work session of the city council for 3 00:00:52,719 --> 00:01:00,160 Monday, August 10th. It is now 5:31 and we will start our meeting. Can we get a 4 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:02,160 roll call? Mayor Geritano 5 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,239 » here. >> Council member Roblooski 6 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,560 » here. >> Council member Tradier 7 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,479 » here. >> Council member Utenberg 8 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,080 » here. >> Council member Farmer. 9 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,799 Council member Means >> here. 10 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,840 » Council member Bockart. Council member Crayons 11 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:18,240 » here. >> Council member O Alers 12 00:01:17,759 --> 00:01:20,080 » here. >> Council member Owen 13 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,840 » here. >> Council member Mabberry 14 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,880 » here. >> Council member Nyan 15 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,799 » here. Council member Dodwell >> here. 16 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:29,200 » Council member Marshall >> present. Council member Rambo 17 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,880 » here. >> Council member Vanic 18 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,240 » here. >> Council member CR 19 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:40,000 » here. >> Thank you. So, we're going to move on to 20 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:44,799 Mayor's comments and announcements. And uh we're going to have uh Captain 21 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:50,079 Mandelle and the incoming commander of the Wildwood precinct, Captain Shana 22 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:55,360 Austin Dorf, join us here. Um, as you uh may be aware, um, we've learned that 23 00:01:52,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Captain Jim Mandelle, who has served our city for the last eight years and, um, 24 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:06,560 has done a great job working with our city here to serve the citizens, has 25 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:11,120 been uh, reassigned to a different position with the St. Louis County 26 00:02:08,239 --> 00:02:15,120 Police and we have Captain Shannon Austinorf who will be coming in as the 27 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:18,560 new commander. So, I'm going to hand it over to Captain Mandelle so he can share 28 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:22,120 more about this update. >> Sure. Thank you, Mayor, 29 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:37,680 one of the longer uh standing captains in a position uh at almost eight years. 30 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Usually at about five years, uh the chief likes to move uh move folks around 31 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:47,920 for different experiences and different opportunities. So, uh, we obviously had 32 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:52,239 a change of chiefs, uh, back in June. So, he's, uh, realigning his, uh, 33 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:56,160 command staff, and I am fortunate enough to, uh, have been chosen to, to move on 34 00:02:54,239 --> 00:02:59,920 to a different assignment. Uh, Captain Oendorf and I have known each other for 35 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:04,319 quite some time. Uh, when I was a supervisor of our highway safety unit, 36 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:10,159 uh, Shana worked for me as one of my, uh, traffic officers. So, uh, we have a 37 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:14,159 great rapport. Uh, a, uh, a long, uh, history of knowing each other and 38 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:18,959 working together. Um, I feel very comfortable, uh, turning over the reigns 39 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:24,400 to, uh, to Captain Oendorf. So, I will let her, uh, take it from here, but good 40 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,959 evening. Thank you for having me. Thank you for this opportunity, uh, to come 41 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:31,519 speak with you tonight. I'll keep it short. I know you guys have a long 42 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:35,360 agenda ahead of you this evening. Um, so I am I have 27 years on with the county 43 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,599 police department, all with St. county. Um, obviously I started out in patrol. I 44 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:44,400 spent time in our highway safety unit. Um, I've spent 5 years in the city of 45 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,599 Fenton as an officer. Um, I spent 10 months in the city of Valley Park as the 46 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:52,159 commander, as a lieutenant. So, I'm familiar with budgets, um, the city, uh, 47 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,799 what the city wants, what the city needs. Um, answering phone calls all 48 00:03:54,799 --> 00:04:02,239 time day and night from mayor, council me council members, etc. Um, and then 49 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:05,920 for the last 15 months I've spent um uh in our intelligence operations bureau. 50 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:09,519 So all the secretive stuff and all the the behind the scenes type things. Um 51 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:14,720 I'm really looking forward to this opportunity um getting to know everyone 52 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:19,519 and uh working with everyone to make Wildwood the safest place in St. Louis 53 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:24,160 County. Thank you. Any questions? >> Yeah. Well, thank you, Captain Austin 54 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:29,759 Dorf, and uh welcome to Wildwood. Uh we're excited to introduce you to our 55 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:33,840 city and uh we look forward for you to bring your years of experience here. So 56 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,759 again, want to extend a warm welcome. I'll check to see if we have any council 57 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:42,479 members that have any comments or if you have a question, this would be a good 58 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:48,000 time. Just raise your hand. Uh we have council member Rob Rambo. 59 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:54,240 » Yes. I'd just like to thank Captain Mundo for his um wonderful service. It's 60 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:59,280 just been great to deal with and um always pleasant and always responsive 61 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:03,120 and um I think uh I think he deserves our our gratitude. 62 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:07,199 » Agreed. Thank you um Council Member Rambo and I I did share with Captain 63 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:13,039 Mandelle uh as we just learned about this news last week, we will schedule uh 64 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:17,360 a recognition for him at our next meeting uh next month. So uh we'll take 65 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:22,240 that opportunity to thank you for your years of service. Uh we have uh Council 66 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:27,199 Member Dodwell and uh Council Member Owen was Did you have a comment as well? 67 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:31,199 Okay, so Council Member Dodwell, >> welcome aboard. We certainly are going 68 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:35,840 to miss Captain Mandelle and the crew that he's led, but um question for you. 69 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:42,160 What do you think your biggest challenge is going to be moving into this role? 70 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:47,039 » So I have some command experience in in patrol, but very little. Um so it's 71 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:51,120 getting to know the citizens. What do the citizens need from us from the from 72 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:55,120 the police department side? Um what does the council need from me? What does the 73 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:59,199 mayor need from me? Those are the those are the big things. And and making sure 74 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:03,600 I get to know the officers. That that's always huge. Um because they are people, 75 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:07,120 too. Yes, we wear uniforms and it's and we wear a badge, but they have family, 76 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,120 they have kids, they have things they like to do outside. It's getting to know 77 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,240 the officers on my side of that that side of the house. But like I said, it's 78 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:18,319 what is this? What does Wildwood? What do the citizens need? What does the 79 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:21,039 council need? What does the mayor need? >> What can we do to help you in that 80 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:24,800 process? >> Give me a little bit of time to settle 81 00:06:22,479 --> 00:06:28,759 in, get my feet underneath me, and get to know get to know everybody. 82 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:35,039 » Council member Owen, >> so I I will just say I had uh breakfast 83 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:39,199 this morning with Commissioner Ashworth um and he was very complimentary of you. 84 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:44,000 So from that perspective, I think he says we are in very good hands. So, um 85 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:49,680 I'm I welcome you to uh to the city of Wildwood. Thank you. 86 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:54,319 » Anyone else that wishes to comment uh at this time? 87 00:06:51,759 --> 00:07:01,120 Okay. Well, I I don't see any. So, therefore, um that's all we have for 88 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:06,160 you. Easy start uh here. [laughter] So, again, welcome to Wildwood. We're 89 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:09,680 excited to uh get to know you better and and for you to get to know everyone in 90 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:13,199 our city. So, it's a wonderful community. 91 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:17,199 I'm sure you'll see exactly uh what makes this pl uh this city uh come 92 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:21,160 together. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for your time. 93 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:29,360 » Okay, great. Well, uh we'll move on. Uh we now have our four information section 94 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:34,800 of the agenda. And as usual, uh we'll just pause right now to see if anyone 95 00:07:31,599 --> 00:07:39,680 has any questions or comments related to items that are in the for information 96 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:44,000 section. And then if uh once we've reviewed any items that you may have, 97 00:07:41,599 --> 00:07:46,720 we'll move on to for action. Council member Do. 98 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:52,560 » I don't know what you guys are going to do when I'm gone. Um 99 00:07:49,640 --> 00:08:01,599 [laughter] I got a question for Joe and a question for Rick. Um can Rick give us 100 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:08,879 a quick update on the 109 BA roundabout stuff? I know you sent out a memo, but 101 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:13,120 um I'd kind of like the public to hear. >> Um yes, thank you, Council Member 102 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,400 Dodwell. Council members, I did post a memo on the agenda tonight to try to 103 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:23,120 give you some background information on the the project. Um we do anticipate 104 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:28,479 work starting soon, hopefully next week on that project. We ran into some 105 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:35,120 issues. essentially the design plans did not match the elevations on the that the 106 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:39,680 field survey came up with. So we had to go back to the drawing board and HR 107 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:44,560 Green redesigned uh the features the tie-ins from the new 108 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:50,240 construction to the existing pavements. So, it took a bit of back and forth with 109 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:55,760 the contractor and the engineer and frankly the surveyor to get all this 110 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:59,360 figured out and uh and determine really what the issue is. So, we think we've 111 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:05,200 located it. We believe there was an error in the original design survey 112 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:10,800 um that they utilized for design of the project and when they constructed the 113 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:16,000 roundabout the what I understand as of the issue today 114 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:23,360 is that they constructed the roundabout actually a little bit lower than should 115 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:27,360 have been. So effectively the elevations to tie it back into the existing 116 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:32,160 alignment had to be adjusted. And the fact of the matter is there is some curb 117 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:38,399 and gutter that you may see removed and replaced um particularly on the north 118 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:44,560 end of the project as a result. So the consultant HR drain is essentially owned 119 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:50,480 up to the discrepancy. Um however the discrepancy was we believe the result at 120 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:54,560 this point of the surveyor who is a subconsultant to HR green. So it's a 121 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,560 little bit complicated but we're getting there. 122 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:06,560 So, are we going to get a discount on anything for the errors that occurred? 123 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:11,839 » Well, the answer the short answer is yes. Um, we have to work through all 124 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:17,279 that and HR Green has owned up to the the error and um so the that is 125 00:10:14,959 --> 00:10:22,480 absolutely the expectation is to work through that with the contractor. 126 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:28,920 » Yep. >> All right. Uh we have uh 127 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,920 sure. 128 00:10:37,839 --> 00:10:43,440 » Okay, we'll uh come back to you. So, we'll give council member Vanic uh the 129 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:48,399 opportunity now and then >> or Mr. Brown. 130 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:56,480 » Okay, come on up. Couple weeks ago, I contacted city administrator and asked 131 00:10:50,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Beth, you know, when the construction, pardon me. Oh, 132 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:08,720 uh, the construction of the, uh, path on Old State was going to begin and 133 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:16,079 they said Monday. Well, of course, I guess the old joke is didn't specify 134 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:20,000 which Monday, but uh the uh I mean, they had good weather last week. 135 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,560 This thing was supposed to be starting construction in the spring. Here we are 136 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:30,640 approaching the fall and we already got one extension from East West Gateway for 137 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:37,839 the federal funding funding. And I'm beginning to become concerned that uh I 138 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:45,680 don't know what the issue I I know there was issues with the u uh utilities and 139 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:49,680 all that but when when is this project actually going to begin? 140 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:56,000 » Monday. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. So um exactly. So, I was told 141 00:11:54,160 --> 00:12:01,120 they were going to start today and I was told they did show up, but I don't think 142 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:05,040 much was done, frankly, other than to I think determine what they were going to 143 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:09,519 do the rest of the week essentially. So, I am expecting them to to be out there 144 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:13,200 tomorrow. That's what I was told today. So, I'm pretty optimistic they've got 145 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:18,079 the green light. We did wrestle with a number of issues more recently 146 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:22,800 pertaining to utility utilities and adjusting some grades for the for the 147 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:27,440 trail, but um I know it's sounding a little bit like a like a broken record 148 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:30,800 saying it, but um I do expect them to be working this week. 149 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:38,800 » Any other committing? >> Just any updates on the crosswalk for um 150 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:43,760 uh Lake Country Estates? So I think um with the city 151 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:47,680 administrator's involvement, we are optimistic that we might have a path 152 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:51,760 forward, but I can't I don't think either one of us can commit to that. But 153 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:56,160 I know Thomas may want to refer to this directly because he had a conversation 154 00:12:53,279 --> 00:13:00,720 with Mr. Vanic more recently than I have. But um we have requested a 155 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:07,120 follow-up conversation with Mr. Mr. Vanic um 156 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Klesa. Thank you. um to essentially plead our case one last time and I think 157 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,480 at this point I'll turn it over to Thomas if he wants to add more based on 158 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,320 his conversation. >> Thank you Mr. Brown with the mayor's 159 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:22,720 permission. Thank you. U just a quick note on that. We I did have a discussion 160 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:27,360 with Mr. Klesa regarding the crosswalk at Lake Country Lane and it does seem 161 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:31,920 plausible that we could come up with an engineering solution. The one impediment 162 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:35,839 that was provided was that the county uh pretty much had made a statement that 163 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:40,720 the warrants at that location just not enough having not enough foot traffic. 164 00:13:37,839 --> 00:13:44,560 So they would be pushing at least at a minimum we could probably design our way 165 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:48,720 into getting it done and getting a permit to do so. But they may very well 166 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:53,200 be coming back and requesting from the city u the ability to maintain that in 167 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:57,040 perpetuity if we want to have that one in. The other one at Lakeshore Meadows 168 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,240 would be handled by the county. So this would be one unique instance that might 169 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,519 be coming back to the city council for review. 170 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:07,279 But we'll have that discussion. We had reached out to them uh talked to him 171 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:12,320 last week. U we actually had the engineer and uh consultant that had 172 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:16,720 submitted the most updated plans looking at that area. They have that in hand and 173 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:19,760 now it's going to be uh Mr. Brown and I reaching out to Mr. Klesa to have kind 174 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,680 of a catch-up meeting, but we should have more info soon. 175 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:29,040 » So I think at this point we just kind of sit tight. Let's see if they're able to 176 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:32,360 and if not, um, we'll certainly do our part to escalate. 177 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:39,839 Okay. Um, Council Member Dodwell, do you want us to come back to you now? Okay. 178 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:45,279 You're going to pass. All right. Is there anyone else that has anything 179 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:50,000 under for information? Okay. Then we're going to move on uh to 180 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:55,279 the rest of the agenda here. So, we're going to move into for action items. So, 181 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:59,360 um, under planning and parks committee, the first item is a temporary lease 182 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:03,199 agreement for the JP Connell House. Director Gunich. 183 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:08,399 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor and members of city council, as you may 184 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:13,040 recall, since January of this year, the Historic Preservation Commission and to 185 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:18,800 a certain degree, the Planning and Parks Committee has been discussing the JP 186 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:25,600 Connell House, which is located on 14 acres at the intersection of Route 100 187 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:32,240 and St. Albins's Road. JP Connell House is a significant structure in that it 188 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:39,279 was constructed by the same builder that um did Old Pond School and it has very 189 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:44,880 unique architecture along with the family itself having quite a history in 190 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:49,120 the West St. Louis County area. Since January, there have been a number 191 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:56,560 of proposals submitted by the current owner to restore the JP Connell House 192 00:15:53,360 --> 00:16:05,519 and for all intents and purposes reuse it for a purposeful activity. 193 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:11,120 What that use may be has changed quite a bit. It started out as possibly light 194 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:18,959 industrial, commercial, retirement center and etc etc. Eventually, 195 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:24,800 the Historic Preservation Commission in May of this year made recommendations 196 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:29,920 regarding the steps in a process to bring the JP Connell House back to life. 197 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,800 Those included having a structural engineer visit the location, do an 198 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:41,759 assessment of the structure itself, and see if it was savable at this stage, 199 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:46,079 which it was. Thereafter, an incentive package was offered for what was 200 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:52,639 described as the north half of the property, approximately four acres, and 201 00:16:49,839 --> 00:16:58,240 a incentive package in principle was endorsed for the south half or the 202 00:16:54,880 --> 00:17:03,519 remaining 10 acres. As time progressed and the structure was 203 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:08,880 not stabilized, there was an urgency to the conversation and a temporary lease 204 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:13,360 agreement was proposed. That lease agreement would be between the property 205 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:20,640 owner and the city. And the city would take responsibility for up to 90 days to 206 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:26,000 stabilize the asset and maintain the property until the incentive package 207 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:29,919 could be finalized, presented to the historic preservation commission, the 208 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:34,799 planning and parks committee of city council and then finally all of you, 209 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:40,799 city council. At the July meeting of the planning and 210 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:46,799 parks committee, it became apparent that the key issue here may not be the 211 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:53,120 temporary lease agreement, but more so is the city council willing to offer an 212 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:58,960 incentive package. This is a rural area for 213 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:03,120 minus uh kelp contracting. There is development in the area, new 214 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:10,160 development, and it is all large lot single family homes on on as part of 215 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:15,919 residential subdivisions. And as the committee discussed the 216 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:20,640 incentive package, adding a potential light industrial use, a commercial use, 217 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:27,039 and at this stage, one that might include a drive-through facility. 218 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:31,919 The committee did not endorse such at this location. 219 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:36,799 And in the report, it notes the reasons for that lack of endorsement, 220 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:41,120 such as the predictability that the master plan and its conceptual land use 221 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:46,640 categories give to residents when they invest in property and build 222 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:51,520 improvements. Meaning, if you ask city hall, we tell you it's intended for 223 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,679 large lot single family homes and nothing else. 224 00:18:53,600 --> 00:19:02,160 Now we're saying that may not be the case. Also, protection of the non-urban 225 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:07,840 resident district is key and that has been a key component of the city of 226 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:13,600 Wildwood since its inception. in fact is what led to the incorporation and there 227 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:18,559 were several others. Without the incentive package being 228 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:23,760 endorsed by the committee even in components meaning the north portion and 229 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:28,799 the south portion or collectively a temporary lease agreement in terms of 230 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:35,520 the responsibility of the taxpayers to main maintain the property and asset for 231 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:42,480 90 up to 90 days was not reasonable. So the report you have before you tonight 232 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:49,600 does not endorse any historic land any incentives for the historic preservation 233 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:54,720 aspect associated with the property and with that action does not endorse 234 00:19:52,640 --> 00:20:00,400 entering into any type of temporary lease agreement with the property owner 235 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:06,559 for the stabilization of the asset. Tonight the department is presenting 236 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:12,080 that action. Certainly with that action, the likelihood of preserving the JP 237 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:17,840 Connell House is now almost none to slim. And so tonight, the department and 238 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:24,320 the committee are presenting their findings for comment or action. Thank 239 00:20:21,919 --> 00:20:27,440 you. Okay. Do we have any council members 240 00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:34,840 that would wish to comment or make a motion at this time? 241 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,840 Uh, Council Member Mabberry, 242 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:43,280 » I'm at a point where no way even close to know what motion 243 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:47,840 could be without a whole ream of questions. So, um, may I may I just go 244 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:54,000 for a question? >> Yes, please go right ahead. Thank you. 245 00:20:50,960 --> 00:21:00,000 » The the historical asset is valuable to the city. That's that's documented and 246 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:04,559 that's obvious. Yes, sir. 247 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:10,080 » The value of that house um has 248 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:15,679 not just no value to the owner as the owner has stated, but it also is an 249 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:19,840 impediment by logic 250 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:26,159 to the development of that property at anything other than NU 3 acre density 251 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:32,159 zoning. So, it's only with the existence of that historic asset stuck on that 252 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:38,960 property and staying there that the city can even legally entertain an historic 253 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:45,679 overlay, a Scott circumstances overlay or historic overlay, whatever those one 254 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:48,679 or two different um conditions are. Uh 255 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:56,000 the given given one option that the 256 00:21:53,520 --> 00:22:02,000 developer will immediately and instantaneously and very assertively 257 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:08,240 um proceed with the enactment of a 258 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:12,080 demolition permit for that property. Um, 259 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:17,840 there will no longer be any mechanism the city can use 260 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:21,840 to allow anything other than non-rouban density development for [clears throat] 261 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:26,080 that 14 acres. So that 3 divided by 14 still equals four houses. Is that all 262 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:31,120 correct? >> That is correct, sir. 263 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:35,520 » All right. Now, just continuing this. um in order for the city to protect its 264 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:42,720 historic asset which it values very highly. First of all to have weathered 265 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:47,120 this 6 months or 7 months or more of exercises 266 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:52,880 uh in not being able to succeed with a single viable proposal from the develop 267 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,880 developer. Um, 268 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:04,559 is there any means the city can use to put its 269 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:09,200 put its money where it mouth is or to show its 270 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:16,799 value of what it values this historic assets value is other than nothing than 271 00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:23,360 just four lots on 14 acres? Is there is it uh is it exposing the 272 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:27,520 city to undertake condemnations proceedings against the 4 acres to the 273 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:33,679 north of the creek um 274 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:38,960 and retain the property for its value as a historic asset? Is that outlandish? 275 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:44,880 Has that ever been done before? I'm just trying to come up with something 276 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:50,559 creative to save that house where where the the owner developer 277 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:56,559 is taking active steps to do exactly the opposite. And what seems to me the 278 00:23:53,039 --> 00:24:03,200 evidence of that uh just mine, not any of the other 15 council members, is that 279 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:08,320 in in having the Planning and Parks Commission entertaining and then 280 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:12,240 deciding that it's not very practical and not very wise and not very 281 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:16,799 business-like and responsibility shown to the residents of the city to provide 282 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:20,640 for conditions of an incentive package without even knowing what the developer 283 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:28,240 is asking for as an incentive. despite the city's repeat 284 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:33,679 begging for the for the developers um conditions of an incentive package once 285 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:40,559 a drive-thru. Uh that's not what the spirit of the historic overlay district 286 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:48,159 is at all. It's actually against that. So, um I've held the floor for too long. 287 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:52,080 What's the viability of of condemnations proceedings for the four acres? We don't 288 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:57,279 want to be guilty of a taking a malicious taking of all 14 acres. Just 289 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:03,200 teach anyone a lesson. But for that four acres to the north of the creek with the 290 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:07,679 house on it. Um what's what's the most creative thing we 291 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:12,720 can do to save that asset? Well, certainly the city attorney knows 292 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:18,799 much more about condemnation or the the rationes for such an action and how best 293 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,000 to approach it. But I think from the perspective of the department, 294 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:28,000 condemnation is used when you have an unwilling seller or participant. In this 295 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:32,880 case, as Mr. Gray, the property owner has mentioned, this is his business 296 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:38,640 developing property. So in lie of condemnation, an offer to purchase would 297 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:43,520 probably be more wellreceived and not carry the baggage that a condemnation 298 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:49,840 action can. The is followed that's that's 299 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:55,120 so obvious even I didn't think of it. So we offer to purchase the property 300 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:59,840 outright whether it's the four acres or whether it's all 14 301 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:03,279 from the current owner. And from my understanding, this property was 302 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:08,799 purchased just recently. So there's going to be a historical record of sale 303 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:12,559 at what the property was purchased bar. There's going to be comps for the area 304 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:19,360 for what raw land is worth out in that neck of the woods. Um, 305 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:26,880 is that have you seen that done before where we where we buy out the 306 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:32,240 competition uh of attempting to protect that historic asset? Has that been done 307 00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:37,279 in the past in the city's history? I would estimate that 90% of the property 308 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:42,559 acquisitions the city has done has been in flood plane areas and they were a 309 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:48,720 result of repeated flood events that just ultimately wore out the property 310 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:55,360 owners, the residents of the homes and so those negotiations were mutually 311 00:26:52,799 --> 00:27:00,240 beneficial. The property owners wanted to leave the flood plane and the city 312 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:05,600 wanted to remove the structures, the buildings so that the flood plane could 313 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:10,720 flood and not impact them. Where we have practiced acquisition of properties not 314 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:15,200 necessarily in the Glenco area or the flood plane of the Marramac River. Those 315 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:21,440 two have been generally agreements that have been reached long before we got to 316 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:25,919 a stage like this where we've tried to work through every possible scenario 317 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:31,120 under the historic preservation and restoration code the master plan and 318 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:37,919 its historic land use category but we just haven't been able to find the right 319 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:41,600 formula so to offer us is is it something that would work I think 320 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:48,360 acquisition can work if you're willing to pay the price the property owner 321 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:48,360 request. But again, 322 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:58,240 we're in a bit of a a budget scenario. Um, we've talked over the last year 323 00:27:55,039 --> 00:28:05,440 almost about where can we cut back, where can we focus. Um, certainly to me 324 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:12,559 at this stage, if I were to be asked, is that a good expenditure of of of 325 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:17,840 taxpayers money? I would say if I would say maintaining our current parks. We've 326 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:22,799 got trails that need to be resurfaced. We've got sidewalks that need to be 327 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:28,720 replaced. We have vandalism damage almost now weekly, it seems. So, from 328 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:33,200 the perspective of the department, if we have excess funds to do acquisition, I'd 329 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:38,320 like those to be directed to park maintenance, trail maintenance, etc. Um, 330 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:42,320 that's where the people are. That's where we need to keep them safe and 331 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:47,679 functional. Thank you, director. Um, Mr. Mayor, I'd 332 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:53,919 be at a point if nobody wants more questions, I'd be at a point. 333 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:55,760 Uh, perfect. >> Hey, Council Member Owen, please go 334 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,039 ahead. I >> I got one comment. It seems like the 335 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:04,000 person who purchased or acquired this property, if they're 336 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:07,760 wanting a variance in our zoning to make it industrial, and that's the only way 337 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:12,320 we can or commercial, and that's the only way we can satisfy them. It seems 338 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:17,440 like their intent was to use it for that to begin with. So, they're really just 339 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:22,799 they bought the property to get us to get it reszone holding the asset over 340 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:28,240 our head. It says they've got a permit to demolish it, but if their intent is 341 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:31,520 to use it for industrial and they're never going to be able to do that, why 342 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:37,840 would they turn around and demolish the property of them and despite us? Um, so 343 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:46,559 I I don't know that we want to move forward with um negotiating with them on 344 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:51,360 a reszoning when the reality is, while we want the asset, we're not going to 345 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:56,559 change the zoning to accommodate that. We do not want a drive-thru facility at 346 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:04,159 that intersection. um way outside our our you know 347 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:09,679 » the city limits or the the town master the town the town center. So being out 348 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:14,799 in ward one I would say that I will speak for us we do not want that 349 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:20,480 reszone. So that's that's a non-starter. Um just want to make that clear from 350 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,640 Ward One's perspective that's not an option. I don't know if anybody thought 351 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:28,080 it was but to preserve the building. But if we've got to give up the building to 352 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:32,720 keep our master plan, I think that's that's more important. 353 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:39,120 » And Mr. Owen, I believe that's what the committee said in their action. 354 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:42,120 » All right. Great. Uh, Council Member Rambo. 355 00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:53,440 » Yeah. I uh I'd love to say this building uh I think looking back from 30 years in 356 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:59,520 the future will feel about it like I personally do about Pawn School. It was 357 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,960 a great thing to do and the the expense I don't know what the expenses were 358 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:09,600 likely substantial but it's a great asset and it'll be there forever. Um uh 359 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:14,320 we determined not only that it was gonna it was infeasible to buy the property 360 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:18,799 itself but it was also going to cost a h 100red grand to stabilize it and it will 361 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:23,919 cost out of our park budget which is only I mean that's that's a significant 362 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:29,360 fraction of our park's budget and I just don't feel like we can afford uh to do 363 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,640 that. I'm very sad about that and so that's why we worked the committee 364 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:38,960 worked as hard as it did. I'm speaking as a member of the committee now. Um, 365 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:44,640 uh, we tried every way we could think of to find a way to justify this. And, um, 366 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:51,600 it what it came down to was a couple of acres for this home and a commercial 367 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:56,640 venture that that was completely hidden from the road, drive-in, a few villas or 368 00:31:54,640 --> 00:32:00,640 something like that. It would it would um, meet sort of the spirit of our 369 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:04,640 master plan without actually meeting the letter of the master plan. That's what 370 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:11,039 these uh these special districts are intended to to do. And so we explored 371 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:16,320 all those. We can't get there. And um I'm ready to just call it myself. Uh 372 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,880 very reluctantly, I I don't think we can afford even if we could get the guy to 373 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,080 donate the land to us, we couldn't afford the hundred grand for 374 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:27,679 stabilization and half a million dollars for renovation just to do what with it? 375 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:33,120 It would be an office or something like that. maybe a B&B um which we don't 376 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:37,039 often like. So um I just don't don't think this is it's feasible to talk 377 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,640 about anything other than just letting it go. 378 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,960 » Okay. Council member Marshall. >> Mr. Ver, would you like a motion to move 379 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:49,679 forward with the direction you were given from parks and planning to do it 380 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:53,760 that way? What would you like from us? >> Mr. Marshall, if the city council would 381 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:58,960 entertain a motion to endorse the action of the committee, that action then 382 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:04,399 endorsed by city council can be presented to Mr. Gruie, the property 383 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:07,039 owner. And then shortly hereafter, I'll be talking about the end of the 384 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:11,840 moratorum and um I assume he'll proceed forward 385 00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:17,840 with his request for the demolition permit to remove the structure. And Mr. 386 00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:22,480 The reason he continues to speak about the structure is concerns about 387 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,919 liability and the insurance costs associated with it. 388 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:30,960 » I think the department's done a fantastic job in the historic group, but 389 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,000 there's a certain point where he wants us to take all the risk and I just don't 390 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:37,840 think that that we're in a position to do that. So, I'll make a motion to have 391 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:43,440 the department move forward with the recommendation from the Parks and 392 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:47,120 Planning Commission um and relay that information back. 393 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,919 » Okay, we have a motion on the floor made by Council Member Marshall. Is there 394 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:56,000 anyone that wishes to second that motion? Made by second by Council Member 395 00:33:51,919 --> 00:34:01,679 Attenburg. Any other discussion? Right. No discussion on uh all those in 396 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:05,200 favor of the motion, please say I. >> I. [clears throat] 397 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:08,399 Anyone oppose or abstain? >> Opposed. 398 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:13,599 » Okay, we have one oppose. Uh the motion passes and we'll move on to the next 399 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,879 item on the agenda which is the 2026 recreation event toward the Wildwood 400 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,440 awards. >> Thank you again, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, 401 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:26,320 members of city council, the department of planning has provided to you a letter 402 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:32,320 regarding the upcoming tour to Wildwood. This would be the 22nd year of the tour 403 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:36,800 to Wildwood. The the letter is provided just to acknowledge that when the 404 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:42,560 recreation schedule was set as part of the budget process at the end of 2025 405 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:46,720 and the schedule was presented to the planning and parks committee and 406 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:51,839 ultimately city council. There is always kind of a question mark next to this 407 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:57,200 particular event. The event has drawn a lot of interest of late. Um we have some 408 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:02,160 ideas thanks to Mr. Utenberg and others about how to better market it. And so 409 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:06,480 tonight, the department is advising the city council. We're proceeding forward. 410 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:11,599 We believe this will be a great test opportunity and we'll report back how we 411 00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:17,040 did in terms of the new marketing goals, the additions we like to think that will 412 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:24,160 make it more appealing and return the writership to past years. If not, then 413 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:28,960 we can have the conversation about 2027. >> Okay. Do we have a motion on the floor? 414 00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:32,800 Uh, Council Member Attenburgg. Yeah, I'll make a motion, but may I um 415 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,960 make a comment first? >> Yes, please go right ahead. Uh so 416 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:41,839 director Vunich uh it might be beneficial to expand a little bit on the 417 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:45,920 information you provided um mentioning that we used to partner 418 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:52,880 with I believe it was the Missouri Bike Federation on this event and last year 419 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:57,119 uh we did not partner with them because basically they weren't returning phone 420 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:01,839 calls and uh as a result it was basically the first year that we had to 421 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:07,440 sort of take this event on our own. Yeah, I think thank you Mr. Rottenberg. 422 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,320 In the memo, in the letter, the department notes that for many years our 423 00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:19,760 partner was Trail Net, probably the most well recognized, wellknown entity for 424 00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:24,960 multimodal transportation advocacy. Following that, the Missouri Bicycle and 425 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:29,599 P pedestrian Federation um became our partner. And last year, 426 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:35,119 for whatever reason, I think they're suffering from some budget uh budget 427 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:39,920 issues. They would not return our call until almost the beginning or middle 428 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:45,920 part of September and the events at the beginning of October. So, as Mr. 429 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:50,560 Atenberg alluded to, we had to do the marketing in a pretty short order. And I 430 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:55,280 think that's part of the reason we ended up just a little over a hundred riders. 431 00:36:53,040 --> 00:37:00,240 Um we think we can do a much better job two months out for the most part and 432 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:04,960 we'd like to give it a try. >> Thank you. Um with that I would make a 433 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:10,560 motion to proceed with this um this event as outlined by the directors. 434 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:15,119 » Okay question sir. >> Um we have a primary motion. Can we get 435 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:20,800 a secondary on the floor and then we'll open up for discussion. I second by 436 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,040 council member means. Uh so now we'll entertain discussion. 437 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,480 Go ahead, Council Member Albs. >> Um, did you say you had a hundred 438 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,960 writers last year? >> Yes. 439 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:37,920 » Okay. What What is that a low number? >> It it is relatively speaking. One year 440 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:43,520 when we used to hold the event at Lafayette High School and partner with 441 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:49,040 Trail Net, we had 900 riders. Yes. And the police wanted to arrest me that day 442 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:56,160 because the 900 riders were generally very disrespectful of them and our 443 00:37:51,200 --> 00:38:03,440 residents. So we stopped that design that event 444 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:09,680 in in terms of how we promoted it um orchestrated it and we went to a maximum 445 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:14,400 of 300 riders until the pandemic. we were getting 300 riders and after the 446 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:19,839 pandemic we've kind of struggled to get that back to that part of it again I 447 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:25,359 believe was um just kind of people getting back to what 448 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:30,880 they had normally done um and I think we as the city can do a little better job 449 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:37,920 of promotion um as I say Mr. Bur's given us a couple of ideas. We're looking at a 450 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:42,320 theme. Um and I think um ultimately I would see this being successful if we 451 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:46,640 can get around 200. >> Okay. Thank you. I didn't know the the 452 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:51,200 history of it. I'm just kind of wonder how involved it was. Thanks. 453 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,680 » All right. Uh we have a motion on the floor. Any other discussion? All right. 454 00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:01,119 Seeing none. Oh, Council Member Rambo. I just want to make a quick comment. I 455 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:09,920 attended that massive event and um my impression was um many of the attendees 456 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:15,119 felt as though it was um the Moonlight Ramble and not a cycling race or event 457 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,119 of any kind. In other words, there were a lot of unserious people there on 458 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,880 banana bikes and you know, weird costumes and stuff. And those are the 459 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:30,079 kinds of people that you can't count on to be courteous and respectful because 460 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:35,200 most cyclists uh honestly are um that way. And so um moving forward with this, 461 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,640 I would just suggest wherever this goes, I guess it'll go back to committee, but 462 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:44,480 wherever this goes, I would strongly suggest that we keep that in mind uh 463 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:48,160 because we can attract um uh responsible cyclists and sort of minimize the 464 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:54,800 effects of the those that are irresponsible. So thanks. 465 00:39:51,119 --> 00:40:00,480 » Okay. Uh we are at about 20 more minutes remaining in our work session. So just a 466 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:04,880 quick check on the agenda. We do have two more items under for action and 467 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:09,440 executive close session and then uh miscellaneous receive and file. So uh 468 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:13,440 we'll continue to move forward. Uh but just be uh aware we may be running out 469 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:18,320 of time and may have to come back after the main meeting for the rest of these 470 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:23,119 items. So, moving on. Uh, next item. >> Mr. Chair, we need a vote on the motion. 471 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:28,320 » Thank you. All right. Yes. So, now that uh motion on the floor that we have, 472 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,880 does anyone need the motion repeated? >> All right. Uh, all those in favor, 473 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,920 please say I. >> I. I. 474 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,760 » I. >> Anyone opposed or abstain? 475 00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:39,359 » All right. Moving on. Uh, next item on the agenda, which is the temporary 476 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:43,119 moratorium on demolitions of historic assets, uh, termination all wards. 477 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:46,880 Director Vunich. >> Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and 478 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:51,040 members of city council, as you know, at the start of this year, a temporary 479 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:56,480 moratorum was put into place by city council and the demolition of historic 480 00:40:53,440 --> 00:41:02,240 assets that's on the city's inventory. One of the the key components that would 481 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:07,599 trigger the moratorum ending was the adoption of the historic preservation 482 00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:11,920 plan. That plan is up for final reading tonight and if the final reading 483 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:17,680 proceeds forward, the plan will be adopted. In the enabling legislation, it 484 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:22,720 does allow the city council to extend the moratorum under justification. And 485 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:28,400 so tonight, the department is advising you, you have that authority to extend 486 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:33,200 it, but the plan will be adopted. The department sees no reason why to proceed 487 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:37,680 forward after the adoption of the plan with any extension. 488 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:44,640 Mr. Mayor, I would respectfully request a motion to not extend the moratorum 489 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:48,960 beyond the period of time anticipated when it was adopted. 490 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:53,400 » Okay. As uh the director requested, is there anyone that wishes to make that 491 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,400 motion? 492 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:59,520 » Mr. Mayor. >> Council member Mabbury. 493 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:04,720 » Yes, Mr. Mayor, I have I'd recommend a motion to do the opposite and to extend 494 00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:08,079 the moratorum for a period of not less than 90 days. 495 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:12,839 » So, you're making a motion. Is there anyone that wishes to second that 496 00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:12,839 motion? 497 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:19,520 » All right. Uh, do >> is that a second? 498 00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:23,680 » No, I would ask Council Member Mabberry, my heart is with you, Bob. I'm I'm 499 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,680 wondering what your specific rationale is uh for that because it does there 500 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:33,119 doesn't seem to be a really strong one other than the motion. Uh and I I I'm 501 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:38,240 trying to keep that out >> responding to the council members exact 502 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:47,200 reason why I opposed the prior motion regarding the planning and and parks uh 503 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:51,280 recommendation. Um, I don't know that it's going to take a $100,000 to 504 00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:54,160 stabilize the structure. I don't know that it's going to take a half million 505 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:59,680 to do something that we want to do with that asset. I don't know those things. 506 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:06,400 What I do know is if we no longer keep this moratorum in effect, that's less 507 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:13,280 teeth the city has in order to cajul or shame or convince or sell the owner 508 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:18,480 developer into entering finally u legitimate professional level 509 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:24,000 communications about what it would take u 510 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:29,040 uh to to make that property available for the city as a as a valuable asset. 511 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:34,079 So if it's not a h 100,000 to stabilize and it's only 40 and if it's not a half 512 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:39,200 million it's only 150. The the voters the residents of the city need the right 513 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:45,599 to know what they're getting into. None of that can happen at all unless 514 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:51,280 we first of all get a stay on the execution of that demolition permit and 515 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:56,480 unless we can engage the owner into serious discussion finally on how to 516 00:43:53,920 --> 00:44:02,560 make a deal. Otherwise, the owner's got himself four houses on three acre lots, 517 00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:06,960 whatever he sell those things for. Um, but that's it. And that's really the 518 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:11,280 explanation for why I'm making the motion to put a just put a stay on it. 519 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:17,839 It's not It doesn't seem to me to hurt the thing. It's we're not paying 520 00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:22,480 employees to keep watch over that that provision. So, let it ride and give it 521 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:27,680 another 90 days and see if we can get the uh the owner to come back to the 522 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:32,880 table. I And if I if I had proof that it's going to cost 600K to make a go of 523 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:37,520 that, then I'd say, well, we lost this one. 524 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,720 » Well, uh again, uh just uh to make sure we're following Robert's rules, is there 525 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,359 anyone that wishes to second? Otherwise, we're getting into discussion and 526 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:47,440 debate. Um >> Oh, okay. I'm sorry. 527 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:53,800 » Yeah. So I allowed that to allow the uh clarity on the reasoning for that 528 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,800 motion. But yeah, do we have a second? 529 00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:03,160 Okay. I don't think we have a second. So um is there anyone that wishes to make 530 00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:03,160 another motion? 531 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,720 Council member Marshall. >> The department's making a 532 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:16,640 recommendation. I think we should go with the department's recommendation to 533 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:19,920 um cease the uh ordinance that was put in place and that's the department's 534 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,000 recommendation. So, I'll make that motion. 535 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,160 » Okay. Is there anyone that wishes to second that motion? Uh Council Member 536 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:30,000 CR. Okay. So, now we have that motion on the floor. Um we'll open up again for 537 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:34,720 discussion uh now related to the motion. So, Council Member Rambo. 538 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:39,200 » Yeah. I uh um folks that were there were there when we 539 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:44,079 viewed the property recall that I actually caught a turkey buzzard in the 540 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:48,720 upstairs bedroom to put it out and the none of the windows were open. Uh and so 541 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:54,079 I you know I risked my life and the bird's life to um to get rid of it. Um 542 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,480 there are there are there's a lot of stabilization that seems to be required 543 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:05,359 on that structure just from what I know of construction and um so Joe I'm 544 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:09,280 wondering if there are any other effects that we haven't considered in terms of 545 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:14,640 other properties that we're looking at that we have a moratorum on or is this 546 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,560 is it that because your verbiage said this was primarily for the JP Connell 547 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,760 house which is no longer in play based on our last decision. So can you speak 548 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:27,040 to that please? >> Certainly the moratorum was too late for 549 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:31,440 the Mary Cliff residence on the Marinist retreat center. It did do an effective 550 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:37,680 job from the perspective of the department with the Lal retreat center. 551 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:44,000 um because there was interest in a purchase by a developer and the removal 552 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:51,520 of all the assets and obviously the JP Connell there's a risk but again I go 553 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:55,680 back to the committee's discussion about the historic land use category and the 554 00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:01,440 master plan and just the reluctance in the non- urban resident district areas 555 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:06,800 to authorize anything more than what I would believe is a residential type of 556 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:09,359 use at a at a limited increased density. At least that's the impression I left 557 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,839 the committee meeting. >> Sure. And that was my impression as 558 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:18,319 well. It there are you have affirmed that there are no hot button um 559 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:22,079 properties out there that we need to be concerned with and the the only 560 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,839 alternative for future properties is to keep this moratorium in place forever 561 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:29,599 which is not a workable solution. >> Well, I will never turn my back on Lola 562 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:34,240 Retreat Center. That could right >> that could blow up in our face any time. 563 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:39,280 » Yeah. So certainly a moratorium on demolitions protects that more so than 564 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:44,800 anything. But I also know that a moratorum isn't intended to be 565 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:51,680 permanent. We have under the language until the end of the year. But again, 566 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:56,960 we've been advising property owners that once the preservation plan is in place, 567 00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:02,720 which was intended to give us tools to offset demolitions through tax credits 568 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:08,960 from the federal and state governments, etc. I just don't feel like are we 569 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,960 forestalling the inevitable and just getting people's hopes up and then 570 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:17,680 dashing those hopes because we just can't give the incentives people want. 571 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:21,520 So our preservation plan will cover this um as best we can without having a 572 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:27,040 moratorum >> as best we can. It it really in many 573 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:30,960 ways it just reiterated what we already have available. 574 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:39,119 » It didn't come up with what I would call the the silver bullet to save save us. 575 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:42,880 But I I just feel like you we stand at the podium in front of 576 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:47,680 the Historic Preservation Commission talking about preservation, talking 577 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:54,319 about incentives, but the reality is a residents I think when they do the 578 00:48:50,319 --> 00:49:00,400 balancing um act or the pros and cons seeing a commercial use at T Highway T 579 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:05,920 and Route 100 versus the removal of the structure that in many ways very much in 580 00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:08,240 distress test. It probably isn't a balance. It's not a balance they would 581 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,280 favor, >> right? Thank you. 582 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:18,480 » Okay, we have that motion. Anyone else wish to speak on this matter? Otherwise, 583 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:25,680 uh uh council member CR. 584 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:28,400 Yeah, he seconded it. All right. Uh looks like we have no other further 585 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,680 discussion. There is a motion on the floor. Does anyone need that motion 586 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,559 repeated? All right. All those in favor, please 587 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,839 say I. >> I. 588 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,559 » Anyone oppose or abstain? >> Opposed. 589 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:45,599 » Okay, we have one oppose. And the motion passes. Uh, just being cognizant of 590 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:49,599 time. Uh, we've got about 10 more minutes before our main meeting. I did 591 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:56,559 ask the city administrator if we should start this next item. So um he did 592 00:49:53,599 --> 00:50:01,440 advise that this is a preliminary result but his recommendation regarding the uh 593 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:06,880 archery hunting regulations and deer management survey were that uh we would 594 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:12,720 wait for the full report to come out. That's what he was going to ask the 595 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:17,280 council of. So uh let's see if we can uh you know see how this goes over the next 596 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:22,240 10 minutes or so. And if the council does agree that we do want to wait for 597 00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:26,319 the full report, then any discussion or in-depth discussion would probably be 598 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,880 appropriate once we have all the information. So go ahead, city 599 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:31,920 administrator Lee, go ahead and introduce this item. 600 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:37,119 » Thank you, Mayor. Um, real quick note on this. I mean, the data is in this 601 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,640 report, so it it has the broadline, you know, response rates and what the actual 602 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,160 answers were for the the questions. what we're waiting on and [clears throat] 603 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,440 what will be uh really fortuitous to have from Professor Nays is he's 604 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,440 currently working to do a deep dive analysis on uh the open-ended questions. 605 00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:55,440 So, there was a general feedback provision. We actually received quite a 606 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,160 bit of feedback from that. Um a lot of individuals that completed the survey 607 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,480 ended up providing quite a few responses. So, we're analyzing that. Um 608 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:06,480 the other thing that would be that's going to be nice to include too is just 609 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:10,079 some data on the margin of error, some responsiveness rates on some of these 610 00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:13,520 questions. Uh so we wanted to make sure to get the data out to the city council 611 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:17,119 for the survey. But nonetheless in September we'll have the full 612 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,400 statistical analysis that also u provides a little bit more detail on you 613 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:24,160 know the gender of the individual that came uh that answered the question. Um 614 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:29,040 kind of getting some insights on the different wards that answered. Uh I will 615 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:33,440 say based off the response we had about 502 valid responses in the survey which 616 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:37,040 is pretty high for a survey like this. Um since we didn't do a mailed back 617 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:40,960 version, which we did for the solar survey, uh that typically tends to, you 618 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:45,119 know, you're just doing online, it does cut a few of the responses, but overall, 619 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,240 um the responses are considered statistically valid. Um and 620 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:53,440 representative of the city as a whole, where it does fall short is that we did 621 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:57,280 not get enough responses to properly compare ward to ward. So when you look 622 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:02,160 at the distribution which we'll have more info on in September um that is 623 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:06,079 where it can get a little tricky of ward one feels this way ward two we don't 624 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:10,240 have enough data to be able to encaps encapsulate all wards so um more 625 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:16,000 information on that but just a brief overview of some of the results and u 626 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:20,319 you know as time allows uh overall in June we had approved the deer management 627 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:25,200 and policy survey that went out we mailed out um and working with professor 628 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:31,599 Nays took the total number of properties which included apartments, condos, 629 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:36,720 households. Um there's a total of 13,917 dwellings that were included. 1600 were 630 00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:43,119 selected to participate, 200 being from each ward. Um we mailed that out on June 631 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:47,200 29th and opened up the survey. The two weeks later, we also sent out a reminder 632 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:50,880 postcard just providing them with a heads up. We only sent that to the 633 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:55,280 individuals that had not submitted u a valid response. One in great thing we 634 00:52:53,280 --> 00:53:00,640 did with this survey was we had the use of a um an eightdigit participation code 635 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:05,119 which was used to be used one time per household. Uh so if one person used it, 636 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,960 uh the good news is we were able to track uh the IP address to make sure 637 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:13,599 that it really was just one person answering for each. Um so overall uh 638 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:17,599 Professor N's opinion is that it's stat statistically valid survey given that 639 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:21,119 there's five over 500 responses um of the sample pool. I would agree with that 640 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:27,119 sentiment. Uh, nonetheless, to go through some of the results, uh, here we 641 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,240 got some pretty split feedback quite frankly on some of the questions with 642 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,559 I'll just jump through these real quick to give an overview. Um, for the big 643 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,400 question that we were trying to focus in on about our regulations, specifically 644 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:42,559 talking about the minimum parcel size and whether parcel aggregation should be 645 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:46,400 considered, Professor Nains looking at it saw that the majority of residents do 646 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,920 want to see a little bit more of a permissive structure. But when you 647 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:56,000 actually look at the data, the kind of the counter of that is over 50% of the 648 00:53:53,359 --> 00:54:00,240 respondents answered the answered that question with either keep it at 3 acres 649 00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:04,160 and don't change or keep it at 3 acres but allow partial aggregation. So it 650 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,880 seems that the the majority are in support of the 3acre but maybe with some 651 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:13,520 more uh le less restrictive provisions that go with it. Um but when you look at 652 00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:18,319 the individual responses themselves, the number one response when you compare all 653 00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:22,319 five answer choices together was the reduced to one acre and allow partial 654 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:28,559 aggregation. So when you take all of that in a um as a whole, it can produce 655 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,640 somewhat conflicting information there. It's not as cleancut as one would want 656 00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:38,319 it to be. Um that said, kind of going back to the general themes, over 50% did 657 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:43,839 support u keeping it at three in some fashion, but a grand majority said that 658 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:49,200 it could be more permissive. So just a quick note on that. Um going further, uh 659 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:52,720 another interesting tell too was we wanted to make sure to ask the question 660 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:57,119 of how strongly they felt about the change when it came to uh going down to 661 00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:03,680 one acre, keeping it three, whatever it may be. Um, and the interesting thing 662 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:09,040 that came with that was that when um, looking at the 1acre minimum, folks that 663 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:12,960 had answered very strongly tended to be the ones that also wanted it at one 664 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:17,119 acre. So, they tend to, you know, really care about that answer. So, just a note 665 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:21,440 there, the threeacre gnomes had a lot of somewhat. How strongly do they feel 666 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:26,960 about their answer was somewhat. Um, so just another note of how the respondents 667 00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:31,359 were thinking. Um when you look at the actual regulations of what we require, 668 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:35,760 it was pretty split but nonetheless majority of respondents 669 00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:41,119 uh majority of respondents did have registration or some type of permit. Um 670 00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:45,839 you know that was well almost 50% but one of the interesting things was we 671 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:50,240 allowed that question. It it included registration um the proof of written 672 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:53,599 permission from the land owner uh insurance 673 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:56,400 and also just the reporting requirement. we had a ton of different things that we 674 00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,960 wanted to ask and see if they were interested in. Um, none of those answers 675 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:05,200 actually got over 50%. So, it seems that, you know, the majority of the 676 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,880 respondents actually were, you know, either skipping that question or they 677 00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:13,040 weren't they were choosing not to respond or they were um choosing one but 678 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,319 not the other, which maybe that would that could be boiled down to they they 679 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:20,640 care about some things or others, but it also could be they thought it was maybe 680 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:24,720 a one selection question. We did have it listed in there. um select all that 681 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,559 apply in bold lettering. That said, some folks could have uh mistake that for 682 00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:33,359 select one. So, just a note there, but it did seem that less than 50% of the 683 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:37,839 respondents um for each of them actually mentioned that uh you know, we if you 684 00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:40,799 look at if you look at just the base statistics, it would actually suggest 685 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,200 that there wouldn't be any restrictions, which that doesn't make much sense. Um 686 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:49,839 so, more information on that will come. Um, and then the one of the last big 687 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,119 ones too was the question more about the preferred approach to deer management as 688 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,960 a whole, the holistic approach. And there were a couple different answer 689 00:56:54,160 --> 00:57:02,000 choices. One was prim primarily rely on recreational hunting um resume 690 00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:05,839 professional deer calling along with uh recreational hunting, just use 691 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,319 professional calling and then don't support active uh deer management um 692 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:14,480 activities. And then there was also an option for no preference or not sure. Uh 693 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:18,160 that said when you looked at that question it was use a combination of 694 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,640 both. That was the overwhelming um overwhelming answer. The second place 695 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:27,040 was primarily rely on recreational and then the la uh second to last was the 696 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,359 resume the professional and then last was u do not support any deer activity. 697 00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:34,880 So another interesting finding there was that the vast majority of residents in 698 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:38,400 some fashion believe there should be some deer management activity if you 699 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:44,319 take the inverse of the response to that question. So just a note there. Um, we 700 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:47,760 did have uh over 241 individuals submit open-ended answers to the general 701 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,839 feedback section. So, we're going through that now. Professor Nains is 702 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:56,400 looking through that um to give a pretty much a bulleted summary of what is the 703 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:59,760 primary impa input that we've been getting. U I don't want to speak too 704 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:02,960 much on the folks that had submitted some answers, but it was a lot of, you 705 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,720 know, just more operational questions. if you were reduce it down to one um 706 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,440 what does that look like for you know if it goes on their property or how do you 707 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,960 handle there were actually some questions too with who actually gets the 708 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:16,400 insurance. So residents are actively engaged and the fact they answered the 709 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,240 question the survey and then also responded back um and we're asking 710 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,839 further questions does go to show that you know a lot of folks do really care 711 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:28,319 and seeing this amount of response um over 500 folks responding to this in 712 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:32,720 just a three four-w week time frame is pretty strong. Um and then you know the 713 00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:38,079 majority of respondents were men. Um just a quick note there too. And uh the 714 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:42,799 age demographics we'll provide as well. But the other interesting point which is 715 00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:46,559 actually consistent with uh when we look at our parcel data and the number of 716 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:51,680 this is actually really great for our statistical modeling. Uh the majority of 717 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:56,960 households if you just go by addresses for land mass 3acre minimum uh 3acre 718 00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:00,720 lots make up 89% of the city. But when you actually look at number of 719 00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:04,400 addresses, so 13,917 uh dwellings if you will in Wildwood, u 720 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:08,160 the vast majority of those are on less than one acre. The good news is from our 721 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:12,559 survey is we actually got pretty much a duplicative uh duplicative uh result 722 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:16,000 with majority of folks being on less than one acre about a relatively 723 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:20,559 consistent percentage of 1 to three acres similar to the I think it's 3.9% 724 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:25,359 wildwood and then um the remainder being the 3 acres or more. So when looking at 725 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:29,280 this the parcel size this survey is very representative of the city of the whole 726 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:33,280 as a whole. Um but unfortunately it doesn't give us the the crystal clear 727 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:37,040 answer that we were hoping for. Um but it does give us quite a bit of 728 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:40,640 information. Um we're able to do some research before here and now. We wanted 729 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,079 to provide this to get the data out to the council. There's something you want 730 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,520 us to push on or u make sure that's included in the final report, please let 731 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:52,960 us know. U and then also if there's anything for further research to do in 732 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:58,880 the interimm as well. same department's available for any questions. Thank you. 733 00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:03,520 » Okay. Uh again, uh it is 6:30 right now, so I'll look to see if we're gonna get 734 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:09,839 into any in-depth discussion or questions, or if not, we will uh pick it 735 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:15,359 up later. Council member Alers, >> um excuse me. I believe archery season 736 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:21,599 starts in September. If we wait till September for further results, is that 737 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:29,400 going to allow us the time to put a process in place if we 738 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:29,400 want to do archery programs? 739 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:38,720 » Uh could you clarify what what by archery program 740 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:44,480 » allowing bow hunters to maybe hunt on like a acre aggregate or one to three 741 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:49,200 acre aggregate. Those seem to be some of the popular ones in choice. 742 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:53,280 » Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. So, if we were to change the code, so the the main 743 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,799 question here would be going into the code changing our firearm and hunting 744 01:00:54,799 --> 01:01:00,480 regulations to reduce that down to one acre, we'd most likely look to make a 745 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:04,559 couple other changes within that code provision as well. Um, typically that 746 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,839 type of code since it does deal with firearms and, you know, a projectile if 747 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,440 you will, would typically go to our board of public safety. The process 748 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:14,799 that, you know, the department was looking at was if there were any changes 749 01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:17,599 to be recommended that it would be referred back most likely to board of 750 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:21,119 public safety or here at the city council to get those recommendations. If 751 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:24,720 there's something tonight, um, we could bring back further research on that. But 752 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:28,480 when it comes to September, we'd have the final results. It would be very 753 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:33,119 difficult to reduce it unless the council were to expedite the process. 754 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:38,960 I mean, I think the obvious answer to the question is it takes two readings to 755 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:44,319 change something and likely um we may even have to have a public hearing on 756 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:49,760 that. So that would be probably at the way the process works now 3 months. Uh 757 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:53,599 but you know if it goes to board of public safety or any other group it may 758 01:01:52,400 --> 01:02:00,559 doesn't have to go to planning and zoning for that. Okay. Um, then that may 759 01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:04,480 also add some time. All right. Um, go ahead, Council Member 760 01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:06,799 Dod. Well, we'll see. We're probably going to have to come back anyway. So, 761 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:12,559 I'll just >> I just real quickly as we're on this 762 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:17,200 topic, um, I understand the reason that we have been gathering all this 763 01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:22,960 information, etc. Um, while I also understand the enthusiasm to have 764 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:28,400 archery uh in closer proximity or in smaller uh lots, I don't think we need 765 01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:35,760 to rush that process just because deer seasoning is opening this year. We chose 766 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:40,319 not to call deer last year because we wanted to discuss and review this 767 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:45,440 process. I see no reason to rush this process 768 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:50,880 just to augment the potential for individuals uh to hunt in new places 769 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:58,240 this year when they still have the ability to go to their old hunting 770 01:02:53,280 --> 01:03:03,599 grounds and go to it without a problem. >> All right. Um can I make one more 771 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:07,839 comment? I I I also thought that um we wanted to get this in a timeline so we 772 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:13,760 would have the opportunity to engage White Buffalo for the calling season 773 01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:19,280 which would be be 2027. So I thought that was the primary reason to try to 774 01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:22,799 have a timeline to meet was to beat the deadline to engage White Buffalo for 775 01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:25,440 next year if in fact we were going to do that. So that's just I just want to make 776 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:30,319 that comment. >> All right. Well, um we we are now past 777 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:34,960 uh the start of a regular city council meeting and we do have several more 778 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:40,960 items that we will have to cover as part of the work session. So, we are going to 779 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:48,960 um at this point uh uh take a recess with the uh work session and it's 6:34. 780 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:55,760 So, I' I'd ask uh that everyone come back at 6:40 so that we can start our 781 01:03:52,720 --> 01:04:00,240 main council meeting. And therefore, we don't need a motion at this point, 782 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:04,880 right, city attorney to uh take a recess on the work session. 783 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:06,880 » If you want to declare the recess until object. 784 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:12,160 » All right. Is there any objection to that? Okay. Well, with that then, uh, we 785 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:16,160 we'll take a break right now for just a couple of minutes and we'll resume with 786 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:19,400 the start of our main meeting at 6:40. Thank you. 787 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:44,880 All right. Good evening everyone and thank you for your patience as we uh 788 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:51,199 pause for a moment to start our main meeting of the city council for Monday, 789 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:55,600 August 10th. Uh it is now 6:43 and we will begin with a roll call. 790 01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:57,760 Mayor Geritano >> here. 791 01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:59,760 » Council member Rablooski >> here. 792 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,520 » Council member Traier >> here. 793 01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:04,480 » Council member Utenberg >> here. 794 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,520 » Council member Farmer. Council member Means 795 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,080 » here. >> Council member Bocker. Council member 796 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,679 Crayons >> here. 797 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,280 » Council member Elers >> here. 798 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,040 » Council member Owen >> here. 799 01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:14,800 » Council member Mabberry >> here. 800 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,040 » Council member Nyan >> here. 801 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,880 » Council member Dodwell. >> Council member Marshall 802 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:20,480 » present. >> Council member Rambo 803 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,440 » here. >> Council member Vanic 804 01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:27,040 » here. Council member CR >> here. 805 01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:32,280 » Okay. Thank you. If you're able to join me, uh, please stand for the pledge of 806 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,280 allegiance. 807 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:42,080 » Pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 808 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:49,159 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 809 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,159 justice for all. 810 01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:58,480 » Thank you. Okay, approval of the minutes will be part of the consent agenda and 811 01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:03,159 we'll move on to public participation. So, do we have any speakers for tonight? 812 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:10,760 » Please go ahead with the first speaker. >> Karen Shannon wants to speak on Mabella 813 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,760 development. 814 01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:20,159 » When you come forward, just please state your name and your award number. Uh if 815 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:24,480 you're not familiar with the award, your address will suffice. Thank you. 816 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:28,880 » Karen Chan and I'm in Ward One. I'm at 17127 Manchester Road. It's my 817 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:32,719 understanding that tonight the second meeting of the development on my 818 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:36,239 property by Lombardo will be heard. Um I just wanted you to consider the final 819 01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:39,760 vote for tonight on this development. This process has been very emotional and 820 01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:43,920 mentally draining and every month that goes by it also puts the financial 821 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:46,800 burden on me. Lombardo is a reputable builder and they've worked very hard to 822 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:50,719 meet all the requests of planning and zoning commission. The development meets 823 01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:54,800 all the requirements of the town center and provides another type of housing 824 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:58,800 that will very much needed in Wildwood at an affordable price. I hope that when 825 01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:02,880 you're considering voting tonight that you'll remember all the positives that 826 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:07,360 they have u bring this development will bring to Wildwood. Thank you. 827 01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:14,360 » Okay. Thank you. Do we have any other speakers? Claire Hinrich want wishes to 828 01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:14,360 speak on the primary results. 829 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:24,640 Good evening. My name is Claire Heinrich. I live in Ward 4 and I am 830 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:29,120 running to represent Wildwood and Clarkson Valley in the Missouri House of 831 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:33,120 Representatives. First, I'd just like to say thank you to the mayor and council 832 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:38,239 as always for letting me speak here tonight. This past week, the primary 833 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:43,040 election was held with this building attracting the largest number of voters 834 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:48,239 in all of St. Louis County. I see this as a testament to our citizens civic 835 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:54,960 responsibility and desire to shape their community. I got to stand out front all 836 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:59,199 day in some very warm weather. Um, but in doing that, I also had the chance to 837 01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:03,679 meet so many wonderful people from our district. And I would just like to thank 838 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:07,840 every member of our community who came out to vote even though they had to 839 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:12,239 maybe stand in line and it was a little warm. Later in the night, I watched the 840 01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:17,120 election results come in and was heartened by the overwhelming rejection 841 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:22,239 of both amendments four and five in our community where three out of every four 842 01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:26,640 residents in a bipartisan effort defeated this government overreach from 843 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:31,199 our state's capital. As you might remember, my position was that these 844 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:35,760 amendments as written were wholly unacceptable to our community and 845 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:39,920 Missurrians across the state. I am now the last candidate running to represent 846 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:45,679 our community at the state level who is in lock step with the consensus here in 847 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:51,280 Wildwood. As all of you know, consensus in Wildwood is not always the easiest to 848 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:55,600 achieve on every issue. We are a very independent group of people, but we are 849 01:16:53,280 --> 01:17:01,440 also a group that came together to reject halfbaked or completely unbaked 850 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:07,040 ideas that sought to remove citizen input from the policies that impact our 851 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:11,280 lives. I am so proud to be from a community where citizens stood up and 852 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:15,199 made their voices heard. For the remainder of this campaign, I continue 853 01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:20,560 to work to meet the people of Wildwood and Clarkson Valley. I continue to put 854 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:24,800 our community above party politics and I continue to be here to answer any 855 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:28,400 questions or address any concerns should citizens have them. Thank you for your 856 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:33,760 time. >> Thank you. The next speaker. All right. 857 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:39,120 No other speakers. If you are online and wish to speak, this would be the time to 858 01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:44,400 use the raise hand feature and uh we will check for that. And we do not see 859 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:49,360 any at this time. So, uh, we'll conclude with public participation. 860 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:55,120 We'll move on to mayor's announcements. Uh, so if you just, uh, just beare bear 861 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:58,440 with me as I come down to, uh, announce a proclamation. 862 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:22,480 All right. Uh, thank you. And I'm going to present this proclamation 863 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:28,760 for Officer John Bamer. So, come on up. And, uh, we're going to talk about you 864 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,760 here. 865 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:38,560 Captain Mandelle, uh, if you want to come on up, uh, as well, uh, and join 866 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:43,600 us. Uh we're going to uh present this proclamation here this evening on behalf 867 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:47,440 of the city of Wildwood. So I'm going to read what it says and then I'll share a 868 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:52,400 couple of comments. Whereas officer John Bamer comes from a 869 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:58,960 family of law enforcement and followed in his father's footsteps as a St. Louis 870 01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:04,000 County police officer. Whereas in 1995, he was hired as a security officer with 871 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:10,080 the police department and was assigned to facility security at the county 872 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:16,000 government complex in Clayton. Whereas in 1998, he entered the county and 873 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:21,840 municipal police academy for training. And after graduation in 1999, Officer 874 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:26,960 Bamer's first assignment as a police officer was in the North County precinct 875 01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:33,120 near his family roots. Whereas in July of 2000 and at the end 876 01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:37,600 of his probationary year, he was transferred to the city of Wildwood when 877 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:43,600 the police department in the city was still new and staffed with a small group 878 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:49,520 of about 20 officers. Whereas in 2014, Officer Bamer was 879 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:54,080 assigned as a traffic enforcement officer in the neighborhood policing 880 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:58,560 unit, working tirelessly and without complaint, performing traffic 881 01:19:55,679 --> 01:20:02,320 enforcement stops, issuing traffic citations, 882 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:07,199 and at the same time was responsible for collecting various traffic data, 883 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:12,560 evaluation, and reporting. Whereas Officer Bamer has served the 884 01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:18,400 city of Wildwood for the next 26 years, responding to various situations, 885 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:23,920 managing daily activities, and easily recognized as the hardworking traffic 886 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:29,120 cop who has been a fixture at most of the city's events. Whereas Officer Bamer 887 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:34,080 has often been complimented on his dedication to his duties, which he 888 01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:39,120 consistently performed with honesty, integrity, and professionalism. Now 889 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:43,920 therefore, it is hereby proclaimed that on this 10th day of August, 2026, and on 890 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:49,760 the occasion of his retirement on September 1st, 2026, 891 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:55,840 which is also the city's anniversary. So, the city of Wildwood hereby 892 01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:59,600 recognizes John Bamer for his 26 years of outstanding service in law 893 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:05,760 enforcement and thanks him for his dedication to the residents of Wildwood. 894 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:08,920 Congratulations. Thank you. 895 01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:03,199 Well, I do want to say don't go anywhere. You're going to talk, too. All 896 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:09,920 right. And and Captain Mandelle, but I uh it it is uh I'm excited for your new 897 01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:14,400 step in your retirement here. Uh that's an exciting time, you know, when to 898 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:19,920 retire and what you have ahead. I imagine you may have some ideas of what 899 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:26,239 you plan to do. Uh but it's also sad for us here because Officer Bamer is a 900 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:31,679 recognizable face in the city of Wildwood. Uh when I first got involved 901 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:38,239 in Wildwood city government, that was back in 2015, so it's about 11 years 902 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:43,679 ago. Um it's he is one of the faces that I got to know. he would always come to 903 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:49,520 the meetings um and sit watch the meetings uh we we have officers as you 904 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:55,360 see here in the evening. So uh you know it was great because he he got to see uh 905 01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:01,199 local government at work uh and especially back in those days you got 906 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:05,520 your entertainment with it as well. So, um, you know, we we've been through a 907 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:12,960 lot in this city and you've been here. Uh, the residents recognize you and know 908 01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:17,520 you, um, as we read in the proclamation, you're in the you're you're a traffic 909 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:23,360 cop, too, uh, at times. And so, I'm sure you had to deal with folks that may not 910 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:28,960 have been as happy when, uh, you had to stop them, but, uh, you know, comes with 911 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:35,440 the job. So, uh, we are extremely grateful for your dedication. You're 912 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:40,400 going to be missed and, uh, we hope that you will come back to see us in 913 01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:44,800 Wildwood. Uh, but we're excited that you get to enjoy your retirement and 914 01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:50,320 hopefully have some great big, uh, plans ahead. So, thank you so much for your 915 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:54,800 service. Uh, and I'm going to let you speak because I think you certainly 916 01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:59,360 might want to say something, but you probably got a lot of good stories, too. 917 01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:04,080 I I I'm sure uh, you know, you've heard a lot of excuses, whether it's in 918 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:07,840 traffic or or just what you've gotten to in a call. So, yeah, if you have 919 01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:12,880 anything interesting you want to share about your 26 years on the job, what 920 01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:16,000 what's one moment that stands out? Uh, I think we'd love to hear it. So, go 921 01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:19,760 ahead. >> Well, thank you, Mayor and Council. 922 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:25,040 Thank you very much, Joe. Thank you very much, Captain. Thank you. Um, there's so 923 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:28,719 many stories, it's hard to keep track, you know, but it's been actually an 924 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:33,360 honor in working out in Wildwood. It's it's totally totally been, you know, 925 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:37,679 great experience working for the city of Wildwood. Uh, you know, working out the 926 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,800 Wildwood, I even got a nickname, you know, the black heart. I've got 927 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:45,199 nicknames because I wrote so many tickets, you know, even on Mother's Day, 928 01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:49,520 I wrote 15 tickets. They called me the Mother's Day Marada. I got nickname. by 929 01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:53,679 a coworker. So, I've got a lot of nicknames that, you know, goes on and on 930 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:57,199 and on. But, you know, there's, you know, it it's been great working for 931 01:24:55,199 --> 01:25:03,440 City of Wildwood and, you know, and everybody here in the council and the 932 01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:07,480 city. It's been, you know, great. >> Great. Thank you so much. 933 01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:20,159 » He's been truly a part of the family uh here in Wildwood. I'm going to uh let 934 01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:25,199 Captain Mandel say a few words and >> thank you. Uh 935 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:30,400 traffic enforcement is a necessity obviously in the Wildwood uh as I hear 936 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:35,520 from many of the council people. Uh we want traffic enforcement and uh John was 937 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:40,719 one of those guys that did that job uh every day. Uh always with a smile on his 938 01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:46,960 face. Uh and as the mayor mentioned, it's not a popular uh job, not popular 939 01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:50,960 interaction. Um prior to my assignment here, going back some time, I was a 940 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:56,560 supervisor of our uh highway safety unit. And that that groups, that's all 941 01:25:53,679 --> 01:26:01,679 they did was write tickets. And you know, to their credit, uh I could count 942 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:06,000 on one hand how many times, you know, I got a complaint on those officers. And 943 01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:11,360 that's what they did every day, all day. And and John is the same way. uh that 944 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:16,159 that just shows professionalism. They do the job right. Uh they they do it uh in 945 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:21,040 a professional manner. They treat people with respect and and they get the job 946 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:25,280 done. So, he was one of the my go-tos. So, I got to look for a new go-to on on 947 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:30,560 some stuff now, but uh he's done a great job and I appreciate him being here. 948 01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:36,239 Thanks, John. Yeah. 949 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:41,679 » Well, thank you very much for uh again serving the city and and don't go too 950 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:47,920 far. Okay. Come and visit us. All right. And uh we will have uh a special 951 01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:53,120 proclamation next month. Uh we just learned uh Captain Mandelle who has 952 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:57,920 served our city for eight years. Um we you know the St. Louis County police, 953 01:26:54,719 --> 01:27:04,080 they do rotate uh their staff, their leadership. So he is going to be moving 954 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:08,239 on to an exciting assignment. Um so earlier in the work session this evening 955 01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:13,840 we we got to meet the new incoming commander of the precinct, Captain Shana 956 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:19,199 Ostendorf, who will be uh starting her new assignment um actually what this 957 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:23,679 Sunday I believe. So um we're going to recognize Captain Mandelle who has 958 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:28,719 served the city for eight years at our next council meeting uh next month. So, 959 01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:33,679 uh, we want to thank you for that. Um, but again, uh, we also will miss you 960 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:37,880 very much. So, uh, thanks again for this. We're going to resume our meeting. 961 01:27:53,280 --> 01:28:01,440 Okay, moving on in the agenda. We do not have any items under section 7 962 01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:06,080 communications petitions. So we'll move on to section 8 all business under 963 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:13,600 legislation. We have three bills. We'll handle these separately. Uh first bill 964 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:20,560 uh is bill 3070 and before the council for a second reading concerns ward one 965 01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:26,560 and I get a motion for the second reading of bill 3070 966 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:33,840 made by council member Owen. Is there a second made by council member means. Um 967 01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:36,639 all those in favor please say I. >> I. 968 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:42,320 » All right. Uh, Colleen, please go ahead and read bill 3070. 969 01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:48,159 » Bill 3070, an ordinance of the city of Wildwood, Missouri, amending chapter 970 01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:52,880 390, traffic section 12 of the municipal code of the city of Wildwood 971 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:58,239 by establishing a regulation of the kinds and classes of traffic permitted 972 01:28:55,360 --> 01:29:02,960 on Wild Horse Creek Road. >> Okay. Thank you. Now, uh, Director 973 01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:07,360 Brown, we do, uh, call you up, but I know that there is, uh, Council Member 974 01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:13,840 Owen who would like to make a motion related to this item. Uh, go ahead and 975 01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:20,800 » Yeah. Um, I think last in last month's meeting, we talked about um enhancing 976 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:24,960 this uh, particular bill or regulation to include more traffic beyond just 977 01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:29,840 tractor trailers. So, I'd like to make a motion that we refer this back to the 978 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:33,920 board of public safety for further review uh to see if we can not only 979 01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:38,800 include tractor trailers in this, but other type of commercial vehicles. And 980 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:43,679 as stated last month, my concern is for the public safety of our cyclists as 981 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:49,679 much as our uh vehicle traffic on Wild Horse Creek. Um, many of us ride that 982 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:54,000 road and find uh dump trucks cutting through or other type of commercial 983 01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:57,600 vehicles and I'd like to see if we can find a way to restrict more traffic than 984 01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,719 just the tractor trailer. So, that's my motion is refer back to the board of 985 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:04,960 public safety to see if we can enhance it. 986 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:09,360 » Okay. Um, so we do have a motion be made on the floor. Um, and and is there 987 01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:14,320 anyone that wishes to second that motion to send it back to board of public 988 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:18,400 safety made by council member Robleski? So, uh, the motion is on the floor. 989 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:22,000 Rick, since, uh, I knew this was coming, spared you a little bit from getting 990 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:25,840 into this, um, knowing that there was a request to send this back. But do you 991 01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:29,440 have anything else you wish to say? >> Um, mayor, I do not. And Bill, for any 992 01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:34,560 questions, otherwise the next meeting of public safety is Thursday evening. 993 01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:38,239 » Okay. So, with that then, uh, since we have this motion, all those in favor of 994 01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:40,880 the motion to send it back to board of public safety, please say I. I. 995 01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:45,120 » I. >> Anyone oppose or abstain? 996 01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:51,280 » Okay. This will go to board of public safety and we should see it then come 997 01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:56,000 back to us. Uh moving on, bill 3072 is before the council for second reading 998 01:30:53,199 --> 01:31:00,920 and concerns ward one. Is there a motion for the second reading of bill 3072 999 01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:09,440 made by council member Alers. Is there a second? Made by council member Robelki. 1000 01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:12,560 All those in favor please say I. >> I. 1001 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:16,080 » I. Anyone oppose or abstain? Okay. Colleen, please go ahead and read bill 1002 01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:21,120 3072. >> Bill 3072, an ordinance by the city 1003 01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:26,400 council of the city of Wildwood, Missouri, authorizing the the change in 1004 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:32,880 zoning in association with four properties that form a 10.43 43 acre 1005 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:38,960 tract of land from the NU non-urban residence district 1006 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:44,639 to the R6A 4000 ft residence district with a planned residential development 1007 01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:50,000 overlay district PRD all being located on the north side of Manchester Road 1008 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:56,000 historic Route 66 west of State Route 109 thereby allowing for up to 62 1009 01:31:53,440 --> 01:32:00,880 attached single family dwellings of which no more than four of These units 1010 01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:06,080 being a single building cluster while being supported by an associated street 1011 01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:10,960 and pedestrian network, storm water management facilities and required 1012 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:15,440 public spaces. All of such consistent with the town center regulating 1013 01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:20,080 regulating plans designation of the property as neighborhood general and 1014 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:24,320 edge districts as well as being endorsed by the planning and zoning commission in 1015 01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:29,679 its letter of recommendation dated June 1, 2026 1016 01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:37,800 PZ 2 and 2A-26. Mia Bella in car in care of Doug Nance 1017 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:37,800 Lombardo Homes of St. Louis LLC. 1018 01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:45,440 » Okay. Uh, Director Vunich. >> Mr. Mayor, just to recap, this 1019 01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:51,600 particular item was presented at public hearing at the city council's last 1020 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:57,600 meeting on July 13th. As part of that process, the bill was also introduced 1021 01:32:55,040 --> 01:33:02,960 and read for the first time. There have been no changes to the bill that was 1022 01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:07,600 presented as part of that process. If there are any questions, department 1023 01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:12,000 would be glad to answer them. And just a note, for the planned residential 1024 01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:17,120 development overlay district to be approved, it does require a super 1025 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:21,760 majority of city council members in support. Okay. 1026 01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:27,840 » Okay. Uh Director Vunish, thank you for providing that clarification. 1027 01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:32,400 And again, this uh is in Town Center, so falls under the Town Center rules. 1028 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:37,600 » Yes. Um this particular property has been part of Town Center since its 1029 01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:46,000 inception. it was part of Andre Dwani's team inclusion and during the updates um 1030 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:51,440 it has been retained. I would note that this particular site more so than most 1031 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:55,760 and I would probably categorize it as the same as the department development 1032 01:33:53,920 --> 01:34:01,360 that's occurring at Taylor Road and Main Street. It's very unique in that it 1033 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:08,159 adjoins Pond School on the east, the new development, the reserve at Wildwood to 1034 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:15,199 the north and west and across the street are two institutional uses, places of 1035 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:21,440 worship and a 7 acre property on the corner of Route 109 and Manchester Road 1036 01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:25,840 that has commercial zoning. So relatively speaking, you have a 1037 01:34:23,679 --> 01:34:30,960 residential project that really doesn't join much other residential. 1038 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:37,120 » Uh director Vun is just maybe one more explanation. Uh just a question I'd 1039 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:39,920 heard uh you know it is non-urban but everything has been non- urban obviously 1040 01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:43,600 right I mean >> yes 1041 01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:47,440 » collectively in 1965 St. Louis County Council said everything 1042 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:52,480 west of Lindberg we're going to reszone to match our new updated zoning 1043 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:57,920 ordinance and for the most part as I mentioned west of Lindberg Boulevard a 1044 01:34:54,880 --> 01:35:04,400 non- urban district was established it was truly a holding category the intent 1045 01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:10,159 was to designate all properties with a district but that district was a holding 1046 01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:16,320 category so as development went from the center so to speak north west and house. 1047 01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:20,880 The pattern would establish what the future land use would be on adjoining 1048 01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:27,280 properties. They didn't necessarily have a land use plan per se. The zoning was 1049 01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:30,960 the land use plan. >> Great. Thank you. Any questions or 1050 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:34,480 comments from council? Uh council member Rambo. 1051 01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:41,920 » Yeah, real quickly. Um Joe, this is a geography quiz. I was um 1052 01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:48,320 approaching this with the clear understanding that it was in Town 1053 01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:53,600 Center. Um and um but the some of the drawings say it's on T Highway and some 1054 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:58,159 of them say it's on Old Manchester. And so my question is could you please make 1055 01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,880 that distinction for me just for my own edification? 1056 01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:05,199 » Well, if there's any reference to St. Alburn's Road and State Highway T, 1057 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:09,120 that's a mistake on the department's part. I'll accept that responsibility. 1058 01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:14,400 Lombardo Homes >> on the actual drawings um the the site 1059 01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:17,520 plan, the site development plan, etc. >> Yeah, 1060 01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:21,760 » Lombardo Homes is doing the 14 3acre lots out at State Highway T and Route 1061 01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:28,239 100. Okay. >> So, there may be some confusion just 1062 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:33,280 getting the notes correct, so to speak. So, this is in town center. It adjoins 1063 01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:37,760 Old Pound School. >> Okay. to let them know because their 1064 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:42,159 their their their map in the upper right hand corner is clearly an error. 1065 01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:46,880 » I will certainly pass it on and I know Lombardo's homes has representatives 1066 01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:47,840 here tonight, so I'm sure they'll correct it. 1067 01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:52,880 » Thank you. >> Before the next submitt. 1068 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:56,320 » Okay. Anyone else uh with the question or any comments uh with this bill that 1069 01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:59,520 we have on the floor? >> Thank you. 1070 01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:03,600 » Okay. As a reminder, uh Director Vundes did say this is a plan residential 1071 01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:08,639 development. So, in order to pass, it requires a super majority. Um, all 1072 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:12,000 right. Seeing no other discussion, Colleen, roll call. 1073 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:14,400 » Council member Rablooki, >> yes. 1074 01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,400 » Council member Traier, >> yes. 1075 01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,480 » Council member Ottenberg, >> yes. 1076 01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:21,040 » Council member Means, >> yes. 1077 01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,960 » Council member Crayons, >> yes. 1078 01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:26,320 » Council member Alers, >> yes. 1079 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:28,880 » Council member Owen. >> Council member Mabberry, 1080 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,920 » yes. >> Council member Nyan, 1081 01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,840 » yes. Council member Dodwell, >> yes. 1082 01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:35,600 » Council member Marshall, >> yes. 1083 01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,360 » Council member Rambo, >> yes. 1084 01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,280 » Council member Vanic, >> yes. 1085 01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:43,600 » Council member CR, >> yes. 1086 01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:51,360 » Colleen, we got more than 11. All right. Okay. Mill passes. Uh, moving on then. 1087 01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:58,719 Uh, we'll go to bill 3074. Uh, can I get a motion for uh the second 1088 01:37:53,920 --> 01:38:03,040 reading of bill 307 W 74 and concerns all wards made by council member 1089 01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:06,080 Dodwell, seconded by council member Attenburg. All those in favor, please 1090 01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:11,920 say I. >> I. 1091 01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:15,760 » Okay. Please read uh bill 3074. Bill 3074, 1092 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:20,880 an ordinance of the city council of the city of Wildwood, Missouri, hereby 1093 01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:25,199 endorsing and ratifying the final draft of the Wildwood Historic Preservation 1094 01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:31,280 Plan, which has been under development by this community since January 2025, 1095 01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:36,480 and subject to a rigorous set of public input processes, multiple reviews by 1096 01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:41,280 city officials and others, and now completed so as to allow it to be 1097 01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:46,320 implemented to better integrate its goals. goals and strategic actions into 1098 01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:52,639 the city's long-standing master planning efforts related governmental processes 1099 01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:56,080 and associated community initiatives all being consistent with the planning and 1100 01:38:54,320 --> 01:39:02,800 zoning commission's letter of recommendation dated July 6, 2026 on 1101 01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:06,639 this matter PZ9-26 city of Wildwood planning and zoning 1102 01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:10,480 commission and care of the department of planning. 1103 01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:13,920 Director Vunage, do you have anything else you wish to add? 1104 01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:18,080 » Mr. Mayor, the bill has remained unchanged since its introduction 1105 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:22,400 approximately one month ago. If there are any questions or comments regarding 1106 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:26,560 the bill or the plan itself, the Department of Planning will do its best 1107 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:29,920 to answer them at this time. Thank you. >> Okay. Do we have anyone that has any 1108 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:34,719 questions or comments related to this bill? 1109 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:37,920 » Okay. Seeing none, uh, go ahead and please proceed with roll call. 1110 01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,080 » Council member Tier. >> Yes. Council member Utenberg, 1111 01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,760 » yes. >> Council member Means, 1112 01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,520 » yes. >> Council member Crayons, 1113 01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,600 » yes. >> Council member Elers, 1114 01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:48,880 » yes. >> Council member Owen, 1115 01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:50,639 » Council Member Mabberry, >> yes. 1116 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,320 » Council member Nyan, >> yes. 1117 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,920 » Council member Dodwell, >> yes. 1118 01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:55,520 » Council member Marshall, >> yes. 1119 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,119 » Council member Rambo, >> yes. 1120 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,719 » Council member Vanic, >> yes. 1121 01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:00,800 » Council member CR, >> yes. 1122 01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:04,480 » Council member Roblooski, >> yes. 1123 01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:09,760 » Okay, bill passes. Moving on then to new business uh legislation. 1124 01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:13,760 We have two bills uh listed for tonight. If there's no objection from the 1125 01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:19,199 council, I'd like to uh have these read and mass 1126 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:26,560 and then I will be following up with the request for second reading of bill 3075 1127 01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:31,679 uh which is related to a uh stream gauge. So uh no objection for sec uh 1128 01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:37,040 reading these two in mass. I don't see any. So, can I get a motion for the 1129 01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:42,880 first reading of bills 3075 and bills uh and bill 3076? 1130 01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:47,600 Council member Marshall uh with the motion and seconded by council member 1131 01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:52,080 CR. All those in favor, please say I. >> I. 1132 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:57,280 » I. Go ahead and please read the bills. Bill 3075, an ordinance of the city of 1133 01:40:55,119 --> 01:41:02,480 Wildwood, Missouri, authorizing the mayor to negotiate and execute a site 1134 01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:06,480 access agreement for stream gauge monitoring with the state of Missouri 1135 01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:10,800 and the Missouri Department of Natural Resources to allow for the installation 1136 01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:17,199 and maintenance of a stream gauge monitoring station to be located on Wild 1137 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:22,880 Horse Creek Road, bridge number 392 over Pilman Creek, which will provide real 1138 01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:28,880 time flood data and track flood conditions on Wild Horse Creek within 1139 01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:33,199 the city of Wildwood. Bill 3076, an ordinance of the city council of the 1140 01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:39,280 city of Wildwood, Missouri, authorizing a deed, legal description, and accompany 1141 01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:45,040 accompanying exhibit B for the dedication of 4,937 1142 01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:50,159 square foot of common ground area, now owned by the Homeowners Association of 1143 01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:55,520 Hickory Manor, Village D, to the city of Wildwood, Missouri, for public rideway 1144 01:41:52,639 --> 01:42:00,400 purposes forever and to be used in conjunction with the development of a 1145 01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:04,800 pedestrian and cycling multipleuse trail that will link Town Center with Green 1146 01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:09,360 Pines Park. >> All right. Uh we'll have uh the first 1147 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:13,280 item, the city administrator Lee, do you wish to speak to that? 1148 01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:16,800 » Yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, bill 305 um contains an ordinance that would allow 1149 01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:23,520 the city to enter into agreement with Missouri DNR um to allow them to install 1150 01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:29,119 a stream gauge monitor over near Pullman Road off of Wild Horse Creek. Um, this 1151 01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:33,440 isn't going to cost the city anything. And the one thing that we were able to 1152 01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:38,400 get them to agree to as well is if they were to make um any adjustments to it in 1153 01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:42,159 the future um or they needed to update the tech or access it where it would 1154 01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:45,440 require a road change or a road closure or anything along those lines, they 1155 01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:48,880 would notify the city and get the proper permits. So, nonetheless, all this is 1156 01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:54,800 doing is allowing them to put a stream gauge on um on the bridge. The good news 1157 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:59,600 is that once this stream gauge is uh attached to the bridge, we'll be able to 1158 01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:03,520 access a URL on their website um to track the the level of the stream at any 1159 01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:07,280 given time. And the goal is going to be if there's ever flooding, which this is 1160 01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:12,880 a notorious uh area that has flash flooding in Wildwood, um whenever we do 1161 01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:16,800 see when we tend to observe those conditions in the field, we're going to 1162 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:20,960 be tracking what the water level is at that location so we can get a better 1163 01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:25,520 grasp of when it is flooding. So, great great news. Glad that MDNR is doing 1164 01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:29,280 this. And just a quick shout out to um Les Cruz with Monarch Fire Protection 1165 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:33,840 District, too, because he was the one that got in touch with um got in touch 1166 01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:37,760 with the MDNR and got them interested in the first place. So, just wanted to make 1167 01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:41,440 a quick shout out there, but no cost to the city. Thank you. 1168 01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:45,280 » Thank you. Uh any questions? Again, this is for information at this time. Council 1169 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:50,960 member Dodwell, >> is this an in perpetuity setup or a 1170 01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:53,840 certain timeline? Yeah. So they they would have it in they'd have it 1171 01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:56,960 installed in perpetuity. I believe it's uh for 10 years if I'm correct that 1172 01:43:55,679 --> 01:44:01,199 they're starting with, but I think it would be for Yeah, it should be for a 1173 01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:04,400 longer period of time. Um the key is if they were to update it because 1174 01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:07,280 technology does change. Um and if they want to do that, they would reach out to 1175 01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:11,600 us and coordinate the proper installation, but nonetheless, um it 1176 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:16,480 seems like they're doing this across the state. They have uh numerous locations 1177 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:19,920 already, but it's almost like the cities have to reach out to them to kind of get 1178 01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:22,960 that first initial interest, but seeing this grow and they're actually trying to 1179 01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:25,840 expand the website. We'll definitely share that with the committee and 1180 01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:29,520 council at a future date, but it is a very great tool and we're happy MDNR is 1181 01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:34,880 doing it. >> Great. Any uh council member Owen? So, 1182 01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:40,000 I'll just say being being the out in Ward One on Wild Horse Creek, I know 1183 01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:44,719 exactly where this is going in and uh that road when we do get excessive rains 1184 01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:49,119 on Wild Horse, that's where it comes out. It's right on that bend at the 1185 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:53,679 Pilman Creek input. Uh my wife has had to turn back at that particular location 1186 01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:57,280 just recently. So, I think it's going to be helpful for us to understand what the 1187 01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:01,119 water levels are, not only when it comes out of the creek, so we can determine, 1188 01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:05,840 you know, if there's anything we need to do to rectify that or if potentially we 1189 01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:09,760 could tie that into future signage that would just come on to let people know 1190 01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:12,719 there was flooding or at least notify us here at city hall so that we could send 1191 01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:18,440 police down there to put signs up or something. So, I I was really excited 1192 01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:18,440 about it when it came up. 1193 01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:26,880 Uh, council member Marshall >> that there are signs going in. Um, did 1194 01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:30,400 we not approve that to put the signs in that stress it's high water? 1195 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:33,600 » Yep. There will be signs installed there and it's it's will be flashing when 1196 01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:36,239 there is water that's on the road. This is just an added bonus if you will to be 1197 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:40,239 able to better >> and this has also got to help us when it 1198 01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:43,679 comes for a water erosion at least one area to start on the northern side to 1199 01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:46,639 see if we can't work it down. So, anytime we can get that kind of help and 1200 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:49,840 tie those different departments in, I think it's a great way to go forward. 1201 01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:54,480 Agreed. >> Council member Rambo. 1202 01:45:51,760 --> 01:46:00,400 » Yeah. Um, some of y'all know I do a lot of paddling and I've been availing 1203 01:45:56,159 --> 01:46:03,840 myself of these um these gauges for probably four decades. They had a 1204 01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:07,840 primitive one on the St. Francis. That was the first place, but now they're 1205 01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:12,639 going in all over. And I I just checked one on the upper Js Fork because a 1206 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:17,760 friend of mine lives there and we were going to paddle it, but it's the water 1207 01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:24,320 is sometimes not that high. Um I'm saying that to say that um that the the 1208 01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:29,440 data have that you get from these things has dramatically improved. Now you get 1209 01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:36,159 graphs and so forth of what the history was and whatnot. And to Ed's point, uh 1210 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:40,800 this will be um immensely valuable to us as we try to get people more aware of 1211 01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:45,440 the fact that we've got flooding issues. And um you know here is what they don't 1212 01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:51,119 have to they no longer have to wait to watch a horse float by on the news. They 1213 01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:55,600 can see it graphically and if we publicize this on our website I think it 1214 01:46:53,119 --> 01:47:00,639 will be really really helpful. And um the the DNR has a um the next parcel 1215 01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:06,239 over my great grandpa's parcel from from me um has the test well for that entire 1216 01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:09,440 area of the county and I look at it all the time just because it tells me what 1217 01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:13,199 my aquifer is doing and so on and so forth. and um they provide water quality 1218 01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:17,360 information and all this kind of stuff. So, this is a this is a wonderful thing 1219 01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:21,119 and I'm thrilled that it's that it's free and I'm I'm thrilled to support it. 1220 01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:24,719 Anyway, that's it. >> Thank you, Council Member Rambo. I I 1221 01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:28,000 thought you were going to start off by saying that you pulled a horse out of 1222 01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:32,080 the creek. Uh >> no, but remember that a few years ago on 1223 01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:37,440 Fox Creek? >> Uh they've had gators, I think, or you 1224 01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:42,159 know, quite interesting. Uh >> all right. Well, anyway, um always 1225 01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:47,520 interested uh in your outdoors adventures, Council Member Rambo. So, um 1226 01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:52,159 any other questions or comments? All right. Uh seeing none, then that'll be 1227 01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:56,320 back. Uh but we actually we will come back to that just momentarily because 1228 01:47:53,679 --> 01:48:00,400 city administrator said um he would like to ask for a second reading since 1229 01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:07,199 there's no monetary impact. Um the second uh item that we read, bill 3076. 1230 01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:12,320 Uh, Director Vunage, do you have anything you would like to add? 1231 01:48:10,159 --> 01:48:16,880 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And certainly, if there are more detailed questions, Mr. 1232 01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:22,320 Brown, our director of public works, has been um intimately involved in the trail 1233 01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:27,199 project itself, which is necessitating the purchase of this area of future 1234 01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:31,280 rideway. As you know, the the Department of 1235 01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:35,360 Public Works was successful in obtaining a grant from the East West Gateway 1236 01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:39,600 Council of Governments to extend the multipleuse trail that terminates at the 1237 01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:45,920 northern edge of the villages at Brightleaf South to Green Pines Park. To 1238 01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:51,760 make the trail functional, an area of common ground in conjunction with 1239 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:56,800 Hickory Manor subdivision was necessary through negotiation. The common ground 1240 01:48:54,400 --> 01:49:02,560 is to be deed as public right away to the city of Wildwood and I believe Mr. 1241 01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:07,679 Brown is under some duress in terms of timing. So both Mr. Brown and I would 1242 01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:12,080 respectfully request that city council consider a second reading of this bill 1243 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:15,600 tonight. And if there are any questions, both Mr. Brown and I are available. 1244 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:20,960 Thank you. >> Okay. Any questions or uh comments 1245 01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:26,159 related to this? Otherwise, we're going to move into uh second reading. 1246 01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:29,920 » All right. So, uh any objection if we do a second reading of both of these bills 1247 01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:35,760 tonight. >> All right. Then, uh and I got a motion 1248 01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:39,520 for a second reading of bills 3075 and 3076. 1249 01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:44,480 Council member Dodwell. Is there a second on the motion? Council member 1250 01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:47,600 Nyan. All those in favor, please say I. >> I. 1251 01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:52,960 » I. Anyone oppose or abstain? Okay. Colleen, can you read uh both of these 1252 01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:56,639 bills for the second time? Bill 3075, an ordinance of the city of Wildwood, 1253 01:49:54,560 --> 01:50:01,840 Missouri, authorizing the mayor to negotiate and execute a site access 1254 01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:06,400 agreement for stream gauge monitoring with the state of Missouri and the 1255 01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:10,480 Missouri Department of Natural Resources to allow for the installation and 1256 01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:16,080 maintenance of a stream gauge monitoring station to be located on Wild Horse 1257 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:21,360 Creek Road, bridge number 392 over Pilman Creek, which will provide real 1258 01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:27,679 time flood data and track flood conditions on Wild Horse Creek within 1259 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:32,239 the city of Wildwood. Bill 3076, an ordinance of the city council of the 1260 01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:38,320 city of Wildwood, Missouri, authorizing a deed legal description in accompanying 1261 01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:44,480 exhibit exhibit exhibit B for the dedication of 4,937 1262 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:49,840 square ft of common ground area, now owned by the homeowners association of 1263 01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:54,960 Hickory Manor Village D to the city of Wildwood, Missouri for public rightway 1264 01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:58,560 purposes forever and to be used in conjunction function with the 1265 01:50:56,000 --> 01:51:04,320 development of a pedestrian and cycling multipleuse trail that will link Town 1266 01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:08,560 Center to Green Pines Park. >> All right. Do we have any other 1267 01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:13,199 questions uh or comments with the both of these bills? 1268 01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:16,880 All right. Seeing none, uh Colleen, then uh roll call, please. 1269 01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,800 » Council member Utenberg, >> yes. 1270 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,560 » Council member Means, >> yes. 1271 01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,400 » Council member Crayons, >> yes. 1272 01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:24,080 » Council member Alers, >> yes. 1273 01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,400 » Council member Owen, >> yes. Council member Mabberry, 1274 01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,080 » yes. >> Council member Nyan, 1275 01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:29,679 » yes. >> Council member Dodwell, 1276 01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,280 » yes. >> Council member Marshall, 1277 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:32,800 » yes. >> Council member Rambo, 1278 01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:34,480 » yes. >> Council member Vanic, 1279 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,280 » yes. >> Council member CR, 1280 01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:41,599 » yes. >> Okay, moving along. Uh, we do not have 1281 01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:48,880 anything under uh section 10 of the agenda. And oh, 1282 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:51,880 » oh, do we did we miss you? Okay. 1283 01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:57,119 » Yes. Thank you. 1284 01:51:54,960 --> 01:52:03,840 » Yes. >> Okay. Yep. That that matters. Um luckily 1285 01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:09,280 it was not down to being close. So, right. So, uh Okay. Well, that passes. 1286 01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:12,480 So, we're moving along. Um we we do not have anything under section 10 of the 1287 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:17,199 agenda and 11 will be part of the consent agenda. Is there uh any 1288 01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:21,599 objection with the consent agenda as presented? 1289 01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:26,400 Okay. Then uh can I get a motion for approval of the consent agenda made by 1290 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:32,480 council member Trier? Is there a second on the um made by council member Rambo? 1291 01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:36,159 All those in favor, please say I. >> I. 1292 01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:40,960 » Anyone opposed or abstain? All right, that motion passes. Uh 1293 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:44,800 anything under miscellaneous? All right, Council Member Marshall, 1294 01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:50,560 » I was have going back through some old files and I'd like to make a motion that 1295 01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:58,080 the council looks at a request for quotes or an RFP for legal services. 1296 01:52:54,400 --> 01:53:02,400 It's we did it last time in 2015, so it's been 11 years and I think 1297 01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:07,920 technologies changed, probably our needs have changed, but I'd like to propose 1298 01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:10,800 that we as a council review that. I remember and I'm sure we have the 1299 01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:16,719 records of the [clears throat] different questions and what we requested in the 1300 01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:20,239 last review, but I think 11 years we we should take another stab at it and see 1301 01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:23,280 if we could update the service expectations that we have. So, I'd like 1302 01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:27,599 to make that motion. >> Okay. I would refer that to the admin 1303 01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:31,199 and public works committee. That's the purview of that committee. So, if 1304 01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:34,400 there's no objection, >> I don't care who does it. I just like 1305 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:38,719 the council can make a motion to do it and then we could get it into the budget 1306 01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,719 this year. 1307 01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:45,679 Well, again, I would have the admin public works committee look into the 1308 01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:50,400 matter. So, I would request a motion be that the uh admin public works committee 1309 01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:53,440 look into the matter of legal services. >> I'll change that. 1310 01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:57,280 » I'll change my original motion to do that. 1311 01:53:54,639 --> 01:54:02,239 » So, refer a motion uh if it would be appropriate, refer the motion of uh 1312 01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:06,480 reviewing legal services to the admin public works committee. Um, is there a 1313 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:10,239 second on that motion made by council mry? Um, all those in favor, please say 1314 01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:11,360 I. >> I. 1315 01:54:10,639 --> 01:54:14,800 » I. I. >> Anyone oppose or abstain? 1316 01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:18,400 » Abstain. >> Okay. One abstension. All right. So, 1317 01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:25,040 we'll send that over to Edmond Public Works to look at to that. And uh, 1318 01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:31,679 anything else under miscellaneous? Okay. A motion to adjurnn. 1319 01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:34,560 Okay. Council member CR and seconded by Council Member Dodwell. All those in 1320 01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:38,960 favor, please say I. >> I. 1321 01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:44,000 » All right. Uh May meeting is adjourned. We do need to continue with the work 1322 01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:48,239 session. Uh let me see. Do we have anyone that would like to uh pause 1323 01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:52,639 momentarily for a few minutes or or do we want to move right into the work 1324 01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:58,000 session again? All right, we're going to keep going. 1325 01:54:55,520 --> 01:55:05,080 So, we're going to go back to uh the item that was being discussed under the 1326 01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:05,080 work session, which is 1327 01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:15,119 related to the the archery hunting regulations and deer management policy. 1328 01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:19,440 So, um city administrator Lee. >> Yep. So, picking up on the conversation 1329 01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:24,239 that was left off, I will mention um that we have uh we haven't necessarily 1330 01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:28,159 been keeping close contact with White Buffalo. We did talk with them and um I 1331 01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:33,280 know that was mentioned to make sure it was in time. They still have the ability 1332 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:37,360 in January and parts of February right now, but u we have been not reaching out 1333 01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:42,000 to them as much because we have not given direction by the council. So, one 1334 01:55:39,119 --> 01:55:46,080 thing there. Um that said, we were told that uh from them in an earlier stage 1335 01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:50,080 that we would most likely need to have our, you know, our ducks in a row with 1336 01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:55,280 an agreement um earlier in the season this year if we were wanting to secure 1337 01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:59,040 them for services. And what is considered earlier in the 1338 01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:01,440 season? What's our do we have like a deadline we need to be working towards 1339 01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:05,400 if we want to do that? >> Yeah, they would I would 1340 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:11,679 well uh I would say that we would need to have it based on the discussions we 1341 01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:16,159 had with them last year um and also of recently when they had called um we 1342 01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:20,000 would want to have something in hand October. 1343 01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:23,760 No coming up. >> Council member Donwell, 1344 01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:29,920 » I'd like to make a motion that we uh have the city administrator move forward 1345 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:34,560 with engaging White Buffalo for our deer management for the 2026 1346 01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:39,840 27 year as we continue to work with our 1347 01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:43,440 hunting regulations for our bow hunters. 1348 01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:52,639 So, we have a motion on the floor. Um, and council member Owen, you're second 1349 01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:56,719 the motion. Can we make sure everyone's clear? Colleen, do you have that? 1350 01:56:54,960 --> 01:57:00,480 » Okay. Uh, everyone understand the motion? Motion's on the floor for 1351 01:56:58,639 --> 01:57:04,199 discussion now. Does anyone wish to discuss at this time? 1352 01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:11,679 Council member Alers. >> No sense in rushing this either. Thank 1353 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:15,280 you. Okay, 1354 01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:23,199 » I don't get it. >> I said no sense in rushing this action 1355 01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:27,520 either. >> All right. Um, anyone else? Any other 1356 01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:31,040 discussion on the matter related to the motion on the floor? 1357 01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:35,599 » Um, okay. Um, 1358 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:39,199 » let's see. We're We're discussing. Yeah. So, I'm just trying to decide who is up 1359 01:57:37,119 --> 01:57:42,239 first. Um, all right. Council member Dodwell then and then we'll come back to 1360 01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:47,599 Council Member Vanic. >> The reason I brought this forward is 1361 01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:52,800 because I live in Ward 4. It was the one of the first areas for the deer 1362 01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:58,239 management project. Um, prior to the start of that project, we had, and I've 1363 01:57:55,840 --> 01:58:04,080 said this multiple times, we had herds of 20 deer, two to three herds every day 1364 01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:12,639 coming through the dense side of the city. Um we are 1365 01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:19,360 now back up to about um 8 to 10 deer. The whole plan for the program was that 1366 01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:25,360 we would pick a new spot and then we would also do follow-up visits to some 1367 01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:30,000 of the previously hit areas because this is a practice that's going to have to 1368 01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:35,679 continue forward. Uh while I fully support uh where we're headed with um 1369 01:58:33,679 --> 01:58:44,960 the bow hunting and to provide our residents with more um options for bow 1370 01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:50,159 hunting in our densely populated areas. I am concerned about bow hunting. I have 1371 01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:55,840 had residents uh come to me personally as a council 1372 01:58:53,119 --> 01:59:01,040 member because they've had deer come into their yard space from off of streer 1373 01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:07,119 areas where deer hunting is possible on 3 acres 1374 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:12,960 and deer have moved into more of the dense subdivisions and fallen dead in 1375 01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:19,040 those areas. So, I just want to make sure that we do not do away with the 1376 01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:28,400 deer culling. Um, that we have professional individuals doing that in a 1377 01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:33,360 quick, humane, and concerted effort. While I understand the 1378 01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:41,679 cost for that, I think a lot of the taxpayers in Ward four and five and um 1379 01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:47,199 probably even a couple of others really appreciate the fact that we uh reduce 1380 01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:51,119 the number of deer uh in the area. So, I'm just going to continue to push for 1381 01:59:48,960 --> 02:00:00,880 that and I hope that we can come to some decision on moving forward with the 20 1382 01:59:55,040 --> 02:00:06,239 6 27 year before um White Buffalo gets booked. 1383 02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:10,880 » All right, Council Member Vanic and then uh Council Member Rambo, were you 1384 02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:14,560 wishing to speak on the matter or >> Okay, so Council Member Vanic. 1385 02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:21,679 » Okay. Uh this question is probably directed towards Mr. Young, that's a 1386 02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:27,199 procedural question and uh a motion's been made that wasn't 1387 02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:33,440 specifically identified within the within the agenda that we'd be voting on 1388 02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:38,800 this tonight. Um, and without public input, uh, 1389 02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:46,320 are are we, if we move forward with this, would we 1390 02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:52,880 be in violation of the sunshine laws and letting the public giving them 24-hour 1391 02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:57,199 notice give their input to to such a motion 1392 02:00:54,080 --> 02:01:03,280 » on this particular item? because as I understand it, it is within the subject 1393 02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:09,199 matter of an agenda item. Uh and further action will be required go before the 1394 02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:13,840 city council uh which would then allow for that public input and specificity. 1395 02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:19,040 But that's the intent behind these work sessions is to have general topics 1396 02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:23,159 discussion with direction for further action that would allow that that 1397 02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:30,639 I think that was the difference. I think one other time there was a motion but 1398 02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:35,199 that was at the main meeting if I recall. So this we're in the work 1399 02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:41,440 session so it's not a final action at this time. Um, okay. So, yeah. And 1400 02:01:39,679 --> 02:01:46,400 council member Trot. Yeah. >> Yeah. I just want to be clear with this 1401 02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:52,239 motion. What What are we getting? Are we authorizing the city to engage White 1402 02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:54,880 Buffalo? >> My uh I can speak on Mayor. 1403 02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:58,080 » Yes. >> My interpretation of that was just to 1404 02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:01,360 reach out to see if it's feasible if they could even come back out. not 1405 02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:05,840 necessarily execute agreement if I misunderstood the motion but 1406 02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:11,920 » the motion was to get a proposal from them for the upcoming year. 1407 02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:17,040 » Okay. So that that answers my question. Thank you. Um so with that, how are we 1408 02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:21,360 what information are we provided? What are what do we expect White Buffalo to 1409 02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:26,800 bid on? Are we going to provide them with areas to target? Typically, I mean, 1410 02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:30,960 we didn't carry out operations in 2026 and 2020, well, earlier this year. If 1411 02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:35,199 they were to come back, I would recommend u they would come back with 1412 02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:38,320 recommendation too, but would be going back pretty much to the same service 1413 02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:41,679 area that was identified for work in 2026. The count's probably going to be 1414 02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:45,199 different because there's going to be an adjustment in the number. That said, we 1415 02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:48,320 still we haven't done an updated deer count either since um December of last 1416 02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:53,119 year. >> So, would that be a component of this 1417 02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:56,639 proposal is a updated deer count? uh they typ they could provide those 1418 02:02:55,199 --> 02:03:00,800 services, but if that's something that the council would want us to look into, 1419 02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:04,239 we would they can provide those services, but typically we've used a 1420 02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:07,040 different um either the police department and then they would review 1421 02:03:05,599 --> 02:03:11,040 the data, but someone else collecting the raw data itself just so it's it's a 1422 02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:16,159 kind of separating out the system. >> Thank you, 1423 02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:20,159 Council Member Rambo. >> Yeah, I had to leave unfortunately for a 1424 02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:25,119 minute and um a lot evidently transpired. I thought this was just a um 1425 02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:30,400 discussion of the preliminary findings and we would review the full report and 1426 02:03:27,599 --> 02:03:34,400 make uh recommendations and decisions uh at the next uh council meeting. So, I'm 1427 02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:41,679 a little bit behind the curve. I'm sorry for that. But um um uh I do think it's 1428 02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:47,199 mandatory for us to do a count and figure out how to fund that. um we can 1429 02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:53,040 do it when the deer when the leaves fall and so forth. But if we if we have any 1430 02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:58,159 hope of doing any meaningful analysis of any problem that program that we put in 1431 02:03:55,360 --> 02:04:09,440 place, it starts with how many deer we have, how many go away um etc. So we 1432 02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:16,639 have we have um uh modified the um the the approach and um um modified the 1433 02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:21,520 science beyond recognition and so forth. And I think we need to do a better job 1434 02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:27,760 of getting that back into um into the bounds of of logic and and reason and 1435 02:04:24,719 --> 02:04:32,159 whatever that whatever that um uh whatever that takes is the right thing 1436 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:38,000 to do. I have I personally just as an aside I have no objection to 1 acre 1437 02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:44,560 versus 3 acre because it doesn't affect my ward. We I probably have the fewest 1438 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:50,480 homes that are on 1 acre minimums and um the the folks that are on the 1 acre and 1439 02:04:48,159 --> 02:04:55,440 smaller lot sizes. Those are the ones that seem to be enthusiastic about that 1440 02:04:52,800 --> 02:05:01,040 on the council. And so who the heck am I to say because it won't affect me? Um, I 1441 02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:06,400 do have some strong observations concerning the 1acre minimums and what 1442 02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:12,320 that would do to any other sorts of collection efforts and um what that will 1443 02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:16,960 do to affect affect uh residents, but I will hold that until our discussions in 1444 02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:23,360 the next couple of months. I just wanted to to um to uh say that I support the 1445 02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:28,639 idea of counting. counting is mandatory and I support the idea of re-engaging 1446 02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:33,840 with White Buffalo just to see what they suggest uh we ought to do. It's a nocost 1447 02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:38,719 option and it's just a question. That's it. Thanks. 1448 02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:44,320 » Any other discussion? Okay. Uh we do have that motion. Does 1449 02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:48,400 anyone need the motion repeated? All right. Uh being that uh we do have I 1450 02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:52,800 think different opinions, probably just best to do roll call so we see where we 1451 02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:55,119 land with that. Hope. Oh, wait. Do we have 1452 02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:59,320 » fun? >> Oh, can you read the motion again? 1453 02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:08,480 » Um, I believe the motion was to move forward to get a proposal from White 1454 02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:13,000 Buffalo, Farright Buffalo for the 2026 2027 Colleen season. 1455 02:06:13,599 --> 02:06:21,280 » Again, this is not a final action since we are in the work session. Um, it would 1456 02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:24,880 have to be uh come back and then eventually u be read read in our main 1457 02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:32,320 meeting. >> Excuse me. Will there be an vote on 1458 02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:33,599 the the original the original um uh >> the survey? 1459 02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:36,480 » Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. We're we're coming back. I mean 1460 02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:39,520 the motion was just brought up while we're um you know discussing. 1461 02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:44,079 » Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. 1462 02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:47,920 So, uh, seeing no other hands, um, we'll just do a roll call and see where we 1463 02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,920 land with that. >> Council member Means, 1464 02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:53,760 » yes. >> Council member Crayons, 1465 02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:55,599 » I'm going to say no. >> Council member Alers, 1466 02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:57,360 » no. >> Council member Owen, 1467 02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:59,280 » yes. >> Council member Mabberry, 1468 02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:01,040 » yes. >> Council member Nyan, 1469 02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,800 » yes. >> Council member Dodwell, 1470 02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:04,719 » yes. >> Council member Marshall, 1471 02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:06,719 » yes. >> Council member Rambo, 1472 02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:09,920 » yes. >> Council member Vanic, 1473 02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:12,480 » no. Council member CR, >> no. 1474 02:07:10,639 --> 02:07:14,800 » Council member Rablooki, >> no. 1475 02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:16,880 » Council member Traier, >> no. 1476 02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:19,880 » Council member Ottenberg, >> no. 1477 02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:27,920 » Wow. Every time we talk about this topic, it's a tie. 1478 02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:30,639 » Yeah. >> Um 1479 02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:37,599 » I mean, >> my What? Wait, do we can you we have a 1480 02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:41,040 question back here about this or >> votes? 1481 02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:43,280 » Oh, what the vote is? >> Okay, 1482 02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:45,119 » you need nine votes. >> Five. Is it five? 1483 02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:49,280 » Yeah. >> Oh, okay. See if it's 1484 02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:55,040 » still need nine. >> Wait a minute. The city attorney has uh 1485 02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:58,079 comment. >> Yeah, you don't need nine because this 1486 02:07:56,719 --> 02:08:01,119 is just a recommendation. Brings the board, not the approval of ordinance, 1487 02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:07,960 but it's not a true tie because you only have seven. Next day, 1488 02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:07,960 » it's not 1489 02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:16,320 » Say again. >> You've got two people that are not here. 1490 02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:21,880 » So, it's not a true tie. >> It's not a tie of the council. 1491 02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:21,880 » What is it? 1492 02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:28,880 » Okay. So, the city attorney says it's a failed vote. For it to be a true tie, it 1493 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:36,159 would be >> failed vote. So 1494 02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:40,800 okay um so we're back to discussion here uh you know with the survey and 1495 02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:43,760 therefore city administrator do you have anything else that you wish to add with 1496 02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:47,040 that or >> what would you be your recommendation? 1497 02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:50,800 » Yeah the only thing is we'll be having this will return u we are going to have 1498 02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:54,800 the formal report come back to the city council. it'll have a little bit more 1499 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:58,000 information about the um give us a little bit more of a well-rounded 1500 02:08:56,159 --> 02:09:01,840 approach on the margin of error so we can really start making some um 1501 02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:05,679 extrapolations from the data that we have in front of us and then how that 1502 02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:08,719 applies to the residency as a whole. U but overall I think this gives us some 1503 02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:13,599 pretty clean direction. One thing I did want to mention though is when it does 1504 02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:16,960 come back um we do have you know there's there's generalized questions that are 1505 02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:22,239 in there but uh there won't necessarily be a vote on the survey except just 1506 02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:26,320 accepting it but if there is you know conclusions or changes to the code or um 1507 02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:30,320 changes in policy that come from this then there would be votes on that at the 1508 02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:33,760 next work session. So the plan is um at the September work session we'll have 1509 02:09:31,679 --> 02:09:38,280 that final report and professor names should be available for questions. Thank 1510 02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:38,280 you. 1511 02:09:40,719 --> 02:09:48,960 All right. So, we'll proceed then with the remainder of the agenda here. So, we 1512 02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:54,800 do have a close session uh which we'll need to go into. So, and then we do come 1513 02:09:51,679 --> 02:10:00,480 back out here for a miscellaneous receiving file. So, perhaps what we can 1514 02:09:57,679 --> 02:10:05,920 do is address the miscellaneous receive and file. If there's no objection from 1515 02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:10,400 the council, then uh once we get that out of the way, then we would go into 1516 02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:14,880 the remaining item, which is the executive close session, and then we'll 1517 02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:19,840 come back out after that's complete and adjourn the meeting. So, if there any 1518 02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:24,639 any objection to changing the order of the agenda? All right. So, seeing none, 1519 02:10:22,719 --> 02:10:28,560 go ahead with the uh miscellaneous receive and file. 1520 02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:33,760 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, members of city council, before you tonight as 1521 02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:38,560 the first item is a preliminary plat recommendation report acted upon by the 1522 02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:44,159 planning and zoning commission at its August 3rd, 2026 meeting. The 1523 02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:53,280 preliminary plat recommendation report supports the submitt of a plat for 15 3 1524 02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:57,679 plus acre lots that would be located on the west side of Christy Avenue south of 1525 02:10:55,760 --> 02:11:03,280 Manchester Road. Two of the 15 lots have existing 1526 02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:09,599 dwellings located on them and they'll be retained and as part of the preliminary 1527 02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:16,639 plat. The intent is to provide access from Christy Avenue to each of the lots 1528 02:11:13,119 --> 02:11:22,560 via a private roadway that will be built to the city's rural roadway standards. 1529 02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:28,639 There is an overall storm water management plan for the private street 1530 02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:34,400 and each of the lots will be required to provide on-site storm water management 1531 02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:42,719 facilities. Those typically are rock sumps or um amended soils, rain gardens, 1532 02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:47,520 etc. The planning and zoning commission had recommended a waiver to the 1533 02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:52,400 centralized wastewater treatment plant. That waiver was granted by resolution of 1534 02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:58,159 this city council. So each of the lots will have on-site treatment via a 1535 02:11:55,920 --> 02:12:03,360 individualized wastewater treatment system, septic tank and drain field. The 1536 02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:07,360 vote by the planning and zoning commission was unanimous and if there 1537 02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:11,440 are any questions regarding this particular project, the department be 1538 02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:16,159 glad to answer them. And I would note that Mr. Marshall and Mayor Geritano are 1539 02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:20,560 on the planning and zoning commission and have firsthand experience as well. 1540 02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:25,360 So, thank you. >> Thank you. 1541 02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:28,800 All right. Any questions? Okay. Again, this is receive and file. 1542 02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:32,719 So, >> and the last item, Mr. Mayor and members 1543 02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:38,560 of city council is Rockwood School District would like to build two 120 1544 02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:44,159 foot sheds at Lafayette High School and Babler Elementary School. They are 1545 02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:49,840 intending to use the company tough shed. And so the sheds will have lap siding, 1546 02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:53,920 shingled roofs and complimentary colors. And the planning and zoning commission 1547 02:12:51,679 --> 02:12:58,480 endorsed the locations as well as the architectural styles. If there are any 1548 02:12:56,079 --> 02:13:02,000 questions regarding the two sheds, department be glad to answer them at 1549 02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:09,199 this time. >> Any questions? Uh, Council Member Mabry, 1550 02:13:06,719 --> 02:13:13,119 » I noticed this one. I just wondered uh why do they need two tiny sheds? What 1551 02:13:11,599 --> 02:13:18,480 are they going to put in them? >> Well, the one at Lafayette High School 1552 02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:22,400 is uh by the athletic fields and there is an existing shed there that looks 1553 02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:28,000 like it's been there for a very very long time and so I believe this is a 1554 02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:32,079 replacement and I think as was described to me there for just general storage of 1555 02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:36,800 the equipment that they need at the athletic field. The other at Babler 1556 02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:43,199 Elementary is next to the track in the playground. And again, my understanding 1557 02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:48,079 is it's for storage play equipment. >> I just had a concern that if these were 1558 02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:50,880 new installations, doesn't sound like they are. It sounds like they're 1559 02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:55,679 replacements. Why do they need a permit to put a replacement anything in? 1560 02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:59,520 » Uh they are considered structures. They'll be on permanent foundations. So, 1561 02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:02,719 they'll also need a county building permit. 1562 02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:09,840 » Even a replacement in kind. It's interesting. Um, the first thing I 1563 02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:13,520 thought of was kids will be kids. Um, so that's a target-rich environment for 1564 02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:18,960 finding out what's in it and then taking it if it's something a kid can use, 1565 02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:21,840 which is game equipment. Um, I guess we're not supposed to put our nose in 1566 02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:27,760 worrying about security for the high school. That was all I really had as a 1567 02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:31,760 concern for admitting sheds on a sports field. 1568 02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:36,880 That's all. Well, I will say tough sheds are some of the better constructed types 1569 02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:44,480 that you can purchase and they usually include um security um measures, blocks, 1570 02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:48,960 etc. And so from the perspective of the department, we wanted to make sure the 1571 02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:52,320 location was okay and we believe the architecture for a shed is about as good 1572 02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:56,239 as it gets. >> Thank you. 1573 02:14:53,440 --> 02:15:00,560 » You're welcome. Thank you, 1574 02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:08,239 » Council Member Rambo. >> Yeah, Joe. Um, we at 1575 02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:14,159 um the folks at Pond Elementary wanted to build an outdoor uh sort of a just a 1576 02:15:11,599 --> 02:15:18,719 rain protected area for an outdoor classroom and it wound up costing them 1577 02:15:16,480 --> 02:15:22,560 $100,000 plus because we ran them through all these architectural um 1578 02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:27,760 requirements and so on and so forth. that wasn't that much bigger than these 1579 02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:32,639 sheds. Are we gonna do the same same thing with these sheds or are we just 1580 02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:38,400 gonna let them do what they want? >> Well, in actuality, I differed opinion 1581 02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:44,960 regarding the type of structure it was. It was a covered balcony plus storage 1582 02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:47,920 and it involved um extending over the existing retaining wall. So, there were 1583 02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:50,079 some structural. >> It was the foundational stuff. 1584 02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:55,760 » Yes, >> I see. And again these are not 1585 02:15:53,199 --> 02:16:00,960 habitable. I assume someone will go in and pick up a piece of equipment but 1586 02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:06,400 that building or structure for upon school. Obviously children will be in it 1587 02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:12,320 » different. Okay. Got it. But we had they had to do stone work on the base to make 1588 02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:15,280 it look you know architecturally um appropriate and all those kinds of 1589 02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:21,280 things. So I was just uh double checking. We are we are changing 1590 02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:26,000 architectural review uh process. So hopefully in the future you won't have 1591 02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:30,079 to identify that as a particular issue. >> Thank you. 1592 02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:36,000 » Okay. Thank you director. All right. Before we uh proceed with the uh item to 1593 02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:43,840 go into close executive session, I was uh just advised by uh the city attorney 1594 02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:47,920 uh regarding the uh tie vote with the um motion that was made by council member 1595 02:16:45,599 --> 02:16:52,639 Dodwell. So uh do you want to go ahead and uh explain that? 1596 02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:55,760 » After reviewing the city code and the provisions of the city charter, I 1597 02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:59,439 realized I was incorrect in my answer that I gave you a moment ago about the 1598 02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:02,559 mayor's authority to break a tie. this were a situation where it was an 1599 02:17:00,880 --> 02:17:06,080 ordinance that required nine votes, that would have been correct. However, 1600 02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:12,240 because this is a simple motion where a majority of those present voting would 1601 02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:18,559 uh prevail uh because the vote that landed in a tie was 77, the mayor would 1602 02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:23,920 retain his right. I apologize. >> So therefore, um then this uh is a tie 1603 02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:29,679 at this time and would be >> okay. So, uh, given that, um, the 1604 02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:34,319 significant costs that are involved in this and the fact that we're in the 1605 02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:38,479 midst of looking at a survey, um, and the fact that this has been a 1606 02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:44,080 topic that the city has had to deal with since basically its incorporation for 30 1607 02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:48,319 years, uh, I think at this point, uh, we're close to seeing the survey results 1608 02:17:46,479 --> 02:17:55,040 that will help influence where we go. And therefore, uh, my vote, uh, would be 1609 02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:59,920 on the, uh, uh, the negative side. uh regarding the matter. So again, I just 1610 02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:04,240 uh bear with a little patience and just trying to get to what the survey says, 1611 02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:08,559 what changes will happen. I'm also a little concerned too that um it would 1612 02:18:06,960 --> 02:18:14,240 feel a little open-ended going to White Buffalo without us dictating exactly 1613 02:18:11,599 --> 02:18:20,240 what the scope is. Uh and if that scope is still accurate from the last time 1614 02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:27,120 that these documents were updated. So um that's it just would exercise caution 1615 02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:32,960 and therefore uh vote no. Okay. So moving on then we are going to 1616 02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:39,679 move into the executive close session and we do need to go in there for RSMO 1617 02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:45,519 610.021 021 section one uh legal actions, causes of 1618 02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:50,240 action or litigation involving a public governmental body and any confidential 1619 02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:54,800 or privileged communications between public governmental body or its 1620 02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:59,359 representatives and its attorneys. So, can we get a motion to go into executive 1621 02:18:57,120 --> 02:19:03,519 close session made by council member Crayons? Is there a second made by 1622 02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:06,760 council member Robleski? We'll need a roll call. 1623 02:19:08,719 --> 02:19:13,679 Yes. >> Yes. 1624 02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:18,439 » Yes. >> Yes. 1625 02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:18,439 » Yes. 1626 02:19:21,439 --> 02:19:27,800 » Yes. >> Yes. 1627 02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:27,800 » Yes. 1628 02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:33,519 » Yes. >> Yes. 1629 02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:39,439 » Yes. >> Okay. We will move into the community 1630 02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:47,719 room and we will come back after executive session is complete and we 1631 02:19:42,559 --> 02:19:47,719 will conclude our main eating. 1632 03:28:48,640 --> 03:28:55,840 return back from close executive session. Uh we don't have any other 1633 03:28:53,600 --> 03:29:00,399 items but the adjournment. So can we get a motion to adjourn the meeting? Made by 1634 03:28:58,560 --> 03:29:04,720 council member Dodwell, seconded by council member CR. All those in favor, 1635 03:29:02,319 --> 03:29:04,720 please say