1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:29,480 All right. I'm going to go ahead and open up the town of Williamson Board of Health meeting. Today is September 8th. It is 9-02. We're going to start with a roll call. My name is Devon Bartels. I'm the chair. Jim Parkinson, member, but it was not a member. Wendy McQueen, member, Sandy Goodbody, member, and the throssal health inspector. Okay. Now, I'm going to start the agenda with a public comment period. 2 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,080 I'm going to open that now. 3 00:00:31,340 --> 00:00:40,240 There's anyone who wants to speak either in present or in Zoom we ask you just come to the podium identify yourself with your street address and try to limit your comments to five minutes. 4 00:00:42,210 --> 00:00:47,130 Will Raymond 189 Straton Road Williams town mass. 5 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:53,690 I wanted to follow up on conversations I had with Ruth about a matter that's emerged at Highland Woods. 6 00:00:54,990 --> 00:01:01,690 senior's complex over 140 Church Street for at least several months now there's been 7 00:01:01,690 --> 00:01:05,230 a sort of a low grade bed bug infestation. 8 00:01:06,270 --> 00:01:15,910 They've tried to, Hartway has tried to treat this with their vendor Orkin in April, then 9 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:20,770 again in June and again another spring, two or three weeks ago. 10 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:36,330 So they opt the treatment to take the outlet covers off the wall and put some sort of insecticide to get into the walls because the problem is the migration of bed bugs from units to units to units. 11 00:01:36,990 --> 00:01:45,710 I have an older friend who lives there who unfortunately has an allergic reaction, which has been a significant health issue for her, very uncomfortable, very painful. 12 00:01:45,710 --> 00:01:49,270 and the only clear treatment is they got to get rid of the bed bugs. 13 00:01:50,050 --> 00:01:54,630 Ruth has been in contact with a hearthway, and I'm just asking for some follow-up 14 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:58,970 where maybe Ruth, you could talk with them for some specifics. 15 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:02,530 What insecticides have they used in the past? 16 00:02:03,570 --> 00:02:07,410 And are there alternative treatments that they could consider if they're needed? 17 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:12,110 Just to wrap up, the most recent treatment was a few days ago. 18 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:16,390 And we'll know in a week or two if that's been effective or not. 19 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:21,050 Part of the issue is that they tend to inspect the units during the day. 20 00:02:21,550 --> 00:02:27,190 Bed bugs don't come out during the day, so they might walk in and say, oh, there's no bed bugs here. 21 00:02:27,510 --> 00:02:30,310 But at night, it wanted to o'clock in the morning, there are bed bugs. 22 00:02:30,450 --> 00:02:33,290 So there's an inspecial issue that's difficult to resolve. 23 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:40,770 So in any event, I'm just hoping that one, this issue can be on the agenda for next month's meeting when we'll have more information. 24 00:02:40,770 --> 00:02:44,870 and that Ruth, if she has the time, and you go a couple with it, 25 00:02:45,050 --> 00:02:47,630 do you get more specifics on what specifically they have done? 26 00:02:48,290 --> 00:02:52,830 And I will send a video to Ruth about alternative treatment methods 27 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:55,630 that she can circulate if she feels it's helpful to you folks 28 00:02:55,630 --> 00:02:57,790 to have a bit more information as to what else might work. 29 00:02:58,530 --> 00:03:00,670 I don't know if any questions you guys have or if not, 30 00:03:00,810 --> 00:03:03,370 then I'll just sit down. 31 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:05,690 Anybody have a question? 32 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:08,600 Thank you for bringing that to our attention. 33 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:14,860 I think we we were aware of that. I've been talking with Ruth about it offline. So thank you for bringing that up. 34 00:03:14,940 --> 00:03:19,320 You think it'd be okay to get more details on what insecticides they have been using? 35 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:27,980 I think we'll discuss it and under new unforeseen business and I definitely want to include it if Ruth deems it to be appropriate 36 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:36,480 for adding to the agenda for next meeting. If the issue certainly is not resolved and I would be a favorite at least adding that to the agenda. 37 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:45,200 Okay. Thanks so much. Anybody else? Anybody on Zoom or the public comment period? No one 38 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,460 turned up on Zoom. All right, I believe there were no hearings at the time of hosting. 39 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:57,020 Minutes, we're going to table that for the next meeting. Unfortunately, we weren't able to get the 40 00:03:57,020 --> 00:04:01,340 minutes prepared, but we're going to try to get that ready for the next meeting, so we'll have more 41 00:04:01,340 --> 00:04:07,960 minutes to approve, hopefully. Licenses and permits, as well as enforcement actions, 42 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:14,720 none. So I'm going to move to old business. We have some updates about some violations 43 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,700 at 330 coal avenue unit D6. I'm going to turn that over to Ruth. 44 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,720 Sure. Yeah, just kind of a continuation from our past couple meetings. 45 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,040 There's a few things 46 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:31,140 that aren't quite at the end yet. So we did get the new filters, at least for unit 47 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:38,000 at D6 arrived. I believe they got a large shipment or package of the filters so I'm hoping 48 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:46,660 and I did receive a updated maintenance schedule that hearthway created to kind of get 49 00:04:46,660 --> 00:04:51,460 these more on their radar. I don't know how deep into checking stuff off they've gotten 50 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:55,820 yet. There's a few things I had to have them add to the maintenance schedule that I'm still 51 00:04:57,220 --> 00:05:11,900 Waiting to get a new copy of that, I think they were researching some things to do with the mini splits and the units to see how often those may require either filter changes, inspections so that's kind of up in the air. 52 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:20,300 And we've had some, I'm still kind of confused on whether or not the mini splits do provide the humidification. 53 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:26,180 I've had a lot of back and forth there and it just seems like more research to be done either on my end or hearth ways end. 54 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:34,020 Because I'm still a little unsure there whether it's the many splits that don't provide dehumidification or that they do and it's not working. 55 00:05:34,340 --> 00:05:40,100 So I'm a little in limbo on that section. 56 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:46,560 Again, it's slow. Communication's been slow but it has been happening. 57 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:54,680 I know a lot of folks are waiting to be on the list to get their filters since the hope was that 58 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,560 you know, if no one's had been replaced that they would be on that list. 59 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,840 You know, I was kind of thought D6 might happen first, but since theirs have come in, 60 00:06:05,380 --> 00:06:07,720 I was hoping kind of more people will get checked off the list. 61 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,280 So, been following up on that, haven't heard how many units have gotten their new filters yet. 62 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:16,960 That may be none, so I'm trying to continue to follow up on that. 63 00:06:18,220 --> 00:06:22,120 D6 was really the unit I had deadlines on, so it's just kind of a matter of do I write 64 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,680 up violations for all the other units to actually put a deadline on the filter situation? 65 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,100 Do I keep getting on them? 66 00:06:28,140 --> 00:06:33,020 So just kind of figuring out the right method to get action. 67 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:38,760 Well, Ruth, if you don't feel like it is a reasonable time frame for communication, I think 68 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,580 it could be reasonable to get ahead. 69 00:06:40,580 --> 00:06:42,760 I don't want to have to issue a warning. 70 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,400 right if you could just let us know yeah I'm trying to be civil right kind of 71 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,960 help I know they they have a lot going on they have limited resources but it's 72 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,320 also about getting the appropriate maintenance in place that for the public 73 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,300 health of the people living yes we're just gonna see a little more actions from 74 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:05,040 hoping yeah I'll try poking one more time and if we need to do just inspections 75 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:11,000 and yeah I wonder if like another check with that moisture detector that's a 76 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,100 a good point with the dehumidification going through the many splits. 77 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:24,860 I mean, I know that maybe there was some concern from the tenant that it wasn't working or it was going to hurt something. 78 00:07:25,220 --> 00:07:33,120 And I know actually that does remind me, I think while I was away, D6 has reported back and I haven't had a chance to investigate yet, 79 00:07:33,220 --> 00:07:38,080 but they don't, they have the new filters, but they're still having lots of moisture on the walls. 80 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:47,000 so I'm still in process there and the last question is whether we have had 81 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,260 any input from our building inspector colleagues I will try and get a more 82 00:07:52,260 --> 00:08:01,440 formal statement from them yeah I mean I understand things break down what my 83 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,940 expertise kind of comes to a there's there's a barrier yes and I think getting 84 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:15,120 their input as to what is reasonable and what requires by code replacement would be valuable. 85 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:21,460 Right, because at a certain point, if the ventilation continues to have issues, 86 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,660 it will have to just get referred to the bill, like we've gone as far up kind of weekend. 87 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,720 I think we're leading now in the bill. 88 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:33,860 Yes, so if it's a system issue up in there and it's not moisture, yeah, that kind of would be the next step. 89 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,560 Let me know if you want me to reach out. 90 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:52,380 No, when I can figure out who it would be, I think it might be the plumbing inspector that does mechanical stuff, so I'll make sure I'll actually work towards getting a more formal statement, or maybe just passing on the complaint and see, let me see what I can try again on that. 91 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,700 Let's keep this on the agenda. 92 00:08:54,700 --> 00:09:03,720 Okay, yeah, it's kind of ongoing and I know there's other units that are yeah concerned so any other concerns questions 93 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:13,200 Okay, I'm gonna move on to old business vector-borne diseases Berkshire County mosquito control project. I'm gonna turn it up in a marsiel 94 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:20,140 Yeah, you're going to have a public meeting the 20s of October at the library 95 00:09:20,140 --> 00:09:27,560 Recreation, the superintendent of the county project coming to answer questions and 96 00:09:28,140 --> 00:09:29,980 Explain what the project is about. 97 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:39,640 Fantastic. Thank you for organizing that and the time on that is four to four to six 98 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,280 Four to six, and so it's at the at the Milna probably one of the back 99 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,400 in the community room, the community room in the back room. 100 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,620 So, a great opportunity for the public to interface. 101 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:59,220 Hopefully, we can ask our Willie net colleagues if they're available to be there to publicize it, that would be fantastic. 102 00:09:59,940 --> 00:10:06,520 I can reach out to a couple other people, maybe Chamber of Commerce help publicize it, especially as it gets closer. 103 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,340 But it would be a great opportunity, I think, to get questions answered about the exact 104 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:18,900 the compounds being used for the larvae side and insecticide and when you trigger different 105 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:23,240 thresholds to do different things, what that would look like, what the cost would look 106 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,540 like to the taxpayer as well. 107 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,020 So those are big questions that probably require a lot more public discussion. 108 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:33,700 So I would really encourage everyone to try to attend to learn and be educated about it. 109 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:35,560 I'm going to try to spend my fur at least part of it. 110 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,080 What is the date again, Margea? 111 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,100 October 20th. 112 00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:47,940 I don't know if you notice there are more mosquitoes around right now. 113 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,380 I have a bug better than I think. 114 00:10:51,780 --> 00:10:53,360 No, it's real. 115 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,100 And so I think it warrants more discussion. 116 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:05,400 And I really applaud you, Marzu, for bringing environmental health concerns like this to the four and on the agenda. 117 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:11,680 So, just like with air quality, these things we have to evolve and think about what are 118 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:16,280 reasonable things that we can do as a community to mitigate the health risks associated with 119 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:16,460 it. 120 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:21,960 And, you know, summers are hotter, and, you know, people who didn't need air conditioning 121 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,600 before, like, gosh, I need a fan, I need air conditioning, I need to move further north 122 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,380 otherwise. 123 00:11:28,660 --> 00:11:34,620 So, it's with that changing climate comes more vector-borne diseases, and so we just have 124 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:36,240 have to be ahead of the curve. 125 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:41,780 So this is an effort that the Board of Health is really trying to bring to the public to 126 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:46,520 decide this would have to be something that was voted upon at town meeting in May. 127 00:11:47,060 --> 00:11:52,300 So it's an educational effort to decide, do we want to have this, do we want to be a part 128 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:56,880 of this, what are the costs associated with it, and have a public discussion around that. 129 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:57,580 Okay? 130 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:01,740 So thank you, Marcia, for bringing that to our attention. 131 00:12:01,740 --> 00:12:06,260 All right, and then I want to, is anybody, anybody who could have questions, anybody 132 00:12:06,260 --> 00:12:13,580 else has questions, comments, concerns about the Mosquito Control Project that are upcoming 133 00:12:13,580 --> 00:12:13,980 Q&A? 134 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:14,620 Awesome. 135 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,500 Community engagement update. 136 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:16,840 Sandy. 137 00:12:17,340 --> 00:12:17,700 Hi there. 138 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:27,940 I have not been to the farmer's market three times, and it's not been a scientific study. 139 00:12:27,940 --> 00:12:34,200 I didn't write a lot of things down because I discovered people were more interested in 140 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:43,420 talking, but I've come away with four takeaways, and they bolstered some of the things we've 141 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:46,220 talked about, but some aren't new ideas. 142 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:56,880 One group of comments had to do with environmental concerns, mosquitoes, air quality, the new notification 143 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:05,540 education system. Second thing were more personal concerns. Several people spoke to me about 144 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:13,180 smoking issues from the outside and about the bedbugs. And they're concerned that the 145 00:13:13,180 --> 00:13:19,780 landlords really do nothing or do very little to get the problem solved. 146 00:13:22,370 --> 00:13:23,270 There was concern 147 00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:33,770 about the homeless in the sense that they're often camped around some of the housing for elderly people 148 00:13:33,770 --> 00:13:43,170 and people spoke about feeling afraid for their own safety with this group, particularly 149 00:13:43,170 --> 00:13:46,950 because they sensed a lot of behavior that came from drug use. 150 00:13:49,650 --> 00:13:57,010 They have talked about access and lack thereof, to medical services, and more importantly, 151 00:13:57,730 --> 00:14:03,190 to transportation to get to any of the health centers in our area. 152 00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:07,030 So that was probably the most meaty piece. 153 00:14:07,950 --> 00:14:10,630 But then there were a couple of pieces that are nice to hear. 154 00:14:11,290 --> 00:14:14,010 People were very excited. 155 00:14:14,010 --> 00:14:18,770 But in this was a surprise to me just to know that there was a board of health. 156 00:14:19,390 --> 00:14:25,230 I was passing out a flyer I had made about some of the things we're doing. 157 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:34,050 I have little stickers that say we listen, but people, and maybe you noticed it, some people 158 00:14:34,050 --> 00:14:40,170 came and spoke with me and asked, so we said, other people just walked by and waved in an 159 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:41,530 excited kind of manner. 160 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:51,490 So, I consider that a step forward for us because I think in the past our group hasn't been enough out in the public. 161 00:14:52,570 --> 00:14:59,970 And the other thing that I am thrilled to announce is this lady over here got a lot of cuckoo, a lot of cuckoo. 162 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,940 No, thank you. I'm on the line. Several times I've said to people, the person to call is our health inspector Ruth. Oh, we know her. She's great. She comes. She chips. She's doing those landlords. Make sure she knows that they didn't get me the Friday deadline because we want to know what's coming next. Thank you. So this week coming up is going to be the last time I'm at 163 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:38,980 the farmers market. And I was thinking this morning that public engagement needs to be ongoing. 164 00:15:40,020 --> 00:15:47,640 And what might be some of the next steps that we consider. And what I'd like to do if it seems 165 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:56,160 okay with colleagues is over the fall and maybe the winter go and talk about go and talk to people 166 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:03,080 in the school system, and elementary school, middle school, upper school, because I think 167 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:10,760 there's different health issues. I think we have overlap. And the other thing is I would 168 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:16,780 like to, you know, SVMC is doing a lot of exciting things now, and I'm like, there's Williams 169 00:16:16,780 --> 00:16:23,820 Tom Boyd, and I'd like, one of the things they're doing is they're going to reopen the 170 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:25,840 the Origin Care Center by stop and shop. 171 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:29,400 And apparently it's a very, very large space. 172 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:33,740 They're also going to put the Northern Berkshire 173 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:36,000 orthopedics in that space. 174 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:41,440 And apparently the orthopedic practice has a lot of, 175 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,880 you know, has extreme machines and other stuff. 176 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,000 So the Origin Care place can go beyond just, 177 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:51,440 you know, a five minute, here's what you should do. 178 00:16:51,440 --> 00:17:01,180 But I started wondering if maybe SVMC was also trying to arrange a residency problem with 179 00:17:01,180 --> 00:17:09,420 Dartmouth, might consider having some kind of family practice person there on a periodic 180 00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:13,280 basis, and that that might help some with access. 181 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:21,040 I think I just think that we need to think of ourselves in partnership with people, 182 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:29,240 either a piece of partnership in which we're going forward, or a partnership where we're 183 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,960 helping them go forward with their agenda. 184 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:34,690 So, thank you so much. 185 00:17:35,370 --> 00:17:36,830 This is so valuable. 186 00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:43,730 It's a lot of time that you've spent, sitting there and also just engaging with the community 187 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:50,790 and being thoughtful about these ways of being more present in the community. 188 00:17:51,030 --> 00:17:52,810 So thank you for being that outward face. 189 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:57,330 I would love for someone to write an article for the Berkshire Ego. 190 00:17:58,050 --> 00:18:01,010 Writing is not really my best feature. 191 00:18:01,890 --> 00:18:07,890 So if one of my colleagues might like to give it a shot, I'll work with you on it. 192 00:18:07,890 --> 00:18:17,350 I've got some examples of other health announcements from the newspaper that I've collected, so we have a bit of a model. 193 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:25,510 Well what I was going to say too is so much of what the kind of this qualitative data that you've just collected. 194 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:33,770 I think it's echoed in the needs assessment that the college students kind of presented last spring. 195 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:39,790 I think this is perfect because the next step is the students come back, they start classes 196 00:18:39,790 --> 00:18:40,390 on Thursday. 197 00:18:41,290 --> 00:18:46,690 So we are scheduling a meeting for next week to talk about how the fall cohort of public 198 00:18:46,690 --> 00:18:51,410 health students can take, remember they came up with a huge class student, you were there, 199 00:18:51,670 --> 00:18:55,330 and how do we start getting those doing a more formal survey. 200 00:18:55,930 --> 00:19:00,690 So I think to Devin's point, put a little bit more of a quantitative, that would be true. 201 00:19:00,690 --> 00:19:05,090 And that was a little bit more evidence-based than to the qualitative work you've been doing 202 00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:06,310 and it could be really nice. 203 00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:10,630 And thinking about how we get to survey our, I think, it'd be great. 204 00:19:11,050 --> 00:19:16,990 Because the ultimate goal is to show what the needs are, how we survey the needs, 205 00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:23,130 identify the issues, and then ideally, we can write a grant to try to address them. 206 00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:33,590 So the, it's interesting to me that two of your bullet points homelessness and 207 00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:42,670 transportation, such access for echoed in the classes students independently came up with. 208 00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:49,750 So this is sort of more thematically valuable and I think we should write down what you have and 209 00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:52,190 and include that as part of that assessment. 210 00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:54,030 And I think I'll be here on Saturday. 211 00:19:57,170 --> 00:19:57,570 Fantastic. 212 00:19:57,970 --> 00:19:59,010 I think I would love to come. 213 00:19:59,390 --> 00:20:02,010 Are you there for your, is it market this Saturday, 214 00:20:02,290 --> 00:20:02,390 right? 215 00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:03,270 I think I'm coming. 216 00:20:03,450 --> 00:20:03,990 Oh, super. 217 00:20:04,090 --> 00:20:04,930 We can catch up then. 218 00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:06,170 OK, that would be great. 219 00:20:06,530 --> 00:20:08,230 And I'll try to speak by for a part two as well. 220 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:09,910 Graham. 221 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:11,950 You're invited to the market. 222 00:20:12,430 --> 00:20:13,850 I'll give you a sticker. 223 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:16,290 All righty. 224 00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:19,850 So let's go to new unforeseen business. 225 00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:38,870 So just in response to the dead bug issue, Ruth, let's please continue to add this to the next meeting's agenda for an update, because I don't think we have a formal anything planned for today. 226 00:20:38,870 --> 00:21:07,970 I know Ruth has been working with Harkway and following whatever the code of Williamstown in the Massachusetts Department of Public Health State Code regulations are for her ability to support residents and making sure that there's sanitation standards are here too, but these are difficult situations because it is so intractable. 227 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:11,770 in terms of trying to get rid of every little bed bug. 228 00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:17,690 And timing, no one's going to inspect the apartment at one o'clock, unfortunately. 229 00:21:18,190 --> 00:21:22,390 So yes, so there's that risk of false negative. 230 00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:24,650 Oh, it looks good, right? 231 00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:25,630 And really it's not. 232 00:21:25,710 --> 00:21:28,290 So I think that's something that we should all thank you. 233 00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:29,290 Thank you for bringing it up. 234 00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:32,770 I want to make sure that we address it at our next meeting for sure, 235 00:21:32,770 --> 00:21:36,990 but know that this is an ongoing issue that rules not everything 236 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:41,790 Everything that comes to meeting and is addressed informally on the agenda is what's going 237 00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:42,170 on. 238 00:21:42,650 --> 00:21:47,190 So sometimes there's something that don't require the board's input that Ruth is handling 239 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:47,830 separately. 240 00:21:48,490 --> 00:21:52,950 So I know that it's been an issue that Ruth has been giving a lot of attention to. 241 00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:53,670 And we'll continue. 242 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:59,810 One thing just to flag again without over monitoring the residents, I do think if there are residents 243 00:21:59,810 --> 00:22:04,730 who move to some other institutional setting for whatever reason it is worth flagging. 244 00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:09,490 I mean, from past experience, I know that's often when, you know, if somebody were 245 00:22:09,490 --> 00:22:14,530 then to be admitted to a hospital or to a nursing home or because they do go to the 246 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:14,890 That's high risk. 247 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:15,710 Yeah. 248 00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:17,930 They travel often with you. 249 00:22:18,290 --> 00:22:18,410 Yeah. 250 00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:20,710 And very briefly, it's 30 seconds or less. 251 00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:24,230 Hardly is making a really good faith effort. 252 00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:29,470 Sonny Bullet, Robin Napp, you know, the CEO have come to a public meeting again to talk 253 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:32,510 about this issue, but it is a tough one to solve. 254 00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:39,470 Because one end, there's 20 apartments on one end of the building, where there's bugs migrating back and forth. 255 00:22:39,730 --> 00:22:45,290 Without a really comprehensive plan for all 20 units, I don't think we're really going to get ahead of this. 256 00:22:45,550 --> 00:22:55,270 And finally, Hardthway did commit to an inspection within 24 hours of any new person moving in to make sure that they're not bringing bedbugs in with them. 257 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:58,310 and hoping that they will follow through with that, 258 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:59,650 given their limited resources, 259 00:22:59,990 --> 00:23:02,090 that very specific action will also help. 260 00:23:02,650 --> 00:23:04,170 Preventatively, I agree, that's one. 261 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,760 All right, so I know I want to leave some time 262 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,300 for the discussion and the recodification project. 263 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:17,340 This is a, it looks really thorny. 264 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,660 So I want to give some time for it, 265 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,400 if that's okay, that we move on in the discussion section. 266 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:46,340 And so Ruth has been asked to ensure that our code, our town bylaws and regulations are internally consistent and that they are at least up to date with the wording meeting the standards of these state homes as well. 267 00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:52,680 So, we have been charged to look through our bylaws and regulations, which are separate, 268 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:56,780 and make sure that the wording is appropriate. 269 00:23:57,580 --> 00:24:04,060 And maybe also use this as an opportunity to simplify or readjust things as needed. 270 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:12,780 So, I want to go through a couple bylaws, I'm going to hand it over to Ruth to run through. 271 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:16,980 some of these are I think simple okay seem very simple to go through but we 272 00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:21,920 formally have to go through them. My plan is just to make this a discussion and 273 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,680 then at a subsequent meeting once we have the wording that we like we can vote 274 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,880 on it so we'll do kind of like all like we're not going to go line by line voting 275 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:38,440 for each thing. Okay so we're going to go to by-law chapter 27 section 5C 276 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:49,280 the article one under environmental hazards, this is the new by-law regarding plastic bags. 277 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:57,600 And I did just find out right before this meeting that the plastic bag by-law that had 278 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:07,200 gotten updated by a citizen these past few months did get approved, so her changes did 279 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,160 get accepted by the Attorney General's Office just about late August. 280 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,720 So these two questions that we were asked about the environmental hazards by law, kind 281 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:25,620 of, they were taking from the old by law, rather since the system didn't know that it was 282 00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:27,380 currently being updated. 283 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:35,620 So it kind of talks about these $50, $100, $200, I believe the citizen who updated had also 284 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:40,740 So, change the fees to I want to say 75, 150, and 250. 285 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:47,820 If I'm remembering correctly, we, and I think it was actually a first offence. 286 00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:48,080 Thank you. 287 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,980 Warnings, seven, eight, five, and then 150. 288 00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:51,580 Thank you. 289 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,320 And then fourth and subsequent was 250. 290 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,500 250, thank you. 291 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,140 Yeah. 292 00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:56,700 And we were kind of wondering. 293 00:25:56,980 --> 00:25:57,560 So, yeah. 294 00:25:57,940 --> 00:26:05,240 So, my suggestion was that there's a lot of fee structures. 295 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:13,280 embedded within each byline and section, and it requires a lot of referencing on 296 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:19,300 roof behalf. These are not overwhelmingly different than the standard fee 297 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:24,440 structure, which is 100 for the first offense, 200 for the second offense, 300 298 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:31,540 for third and subsequent offenses. So I was going to recommend and propose that we 299 00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:36,900 standardized it to the generalized fee structure for board of health matters 300 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:42,340 that are under the by-law and chapter one so that we kind of just make it 301 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:48,440 standard for for Ruth what's easier to enforce that was going to be my 302 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:54,800 recommendation although I would raise the I think that's a very generous fee 303 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:02,220 structure to the people who are unfortunately misbehaving and I think by 304 00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:10,660 third or subsequent fees people ought to get the point that we're serious about 305 00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:15,440 this and we're not just going to horse around forever because people are 306 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,120 willing to like to be nice. Are there limits? Don't I remember that there are 307 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:29,600 I think we because for the galaxy gas I remember signature point I wanted to yeah a little more draconian and I think we are there are 308 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,420 It tops out pretty well. Right, and I'm gonna 309 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:35,700 I'm actually looking up now to determine 310 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:40,260 Because that was the nitrous oxide regulation and I'm just you remember that. Yes 311 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:46,980 We said it was too much and I'm wondering if the town limit if we yes in that and I 312 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:52,800 So at any point maybe we take whatever they're limited and have it be the top now. I will do some research into whether 313 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:55,980 Is it a bylaws have a different 314 00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:03,240 Right, I mean that's certainly make sense. I personally would love it. It's the fluid 315 00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:11,080 Offense and more could be a little harsh. Yeah, let me look up. How high it can be for bylaws and for regs 316 00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:16,380 Was regs it was because we tried to do a thousand and yeah, let me figure out what we 317 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:22,820 We can do as a top, and then if I'm not understanding, we want to take out the warning for you, right? 318 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,180 So it just becomes first. 319 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:25,140 Yeah, there's no warning. 320 00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:27,040 Yeah, for a second, there'd be, gotcha. 321 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,160 This is the fine, it's the fine, perfect. 322 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:35,760 I wrote that as a note to add for next time, just to get that one last adjustment in there. 323 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:42,660 But my thought would be, let's use this recodification effort as an opportunity to standardize. 324 00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:45,960 Yeah, and maybe it's time to raise the 325 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,340 benefit for everything, such that it 326 00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:50,860 meets like, you know, the normal 327 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:54,480 upsets. People of my third time ought 328 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,680 to be upset at how we're treating 329 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,140 them. And I think this we're being 330 00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:02,520 too easy to dismiss. And so we'll 331 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,140 figure out what the upper limits are 332 00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:07,260 so we can stay within our. I think 333 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:10,560 also that money is not in many of 334 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,880 the things it's not going to be the 335 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:18,600 big deterrent. And what the actual amount is is probably less important than what you're 336 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,700 saying about getting a standard thing so we know it's always this. I would agree with 337 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:30,280 you that what we do need is when you do it three times in a row. It's a problem. Something 338 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:37,640 more than a monetary fine. And I don't know exactly what I guess it depends on what the 339 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:45,460 actual offense is but taking the ability to make money or why these people are doing it is 340 00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:50,600 more important than just I mean you know if you're a store and you're selling $10,000 worth of 341 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:58,240 something and you're paying $100 fine that's not not that big a deal. I would say I would go along 342 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,980 the standard icing and if we want to- 343 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,660 Maximize the met, whatever the state will allow that's fine with me. And is there some precedent, Ruth, in the fact, you know, if if you're a restaurant and there are no violations, you're closed. Right. There means something similar, right? That if you're cost-solving this, if you give somebody three or four, you're closed. You know, the reason for having a third and fourth offenses so that you can say what you do it again, you know, rather than, oh, did it first, you're closed. It's challenging because oftentimes if it's not a 344 00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:34,260 permit that you issue. It's hard to understand. But that's what I'm saying is here is something 345 00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:39,240 that's a little more. What's our leverage? Exactly. That's I think what the issue with the 346 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:45,400 nitrous oxide because we're not issuing nitrous oxide permits. So it's sort of like well, yeah, 347 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,480 yeah, yeah. That's what the lawyers would say. I think. Okay. 348 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,840 Yes, please. 349 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:59,000 Mike Miller, Lyndon Street, Williamson. Just want to point out that there's growing evidence. 350 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:28,480 And it's a reason why this is a public health department issue growing evidence around the broad and severe and growing health impacts of plastics, microplastics, nanoplastics, and not just from the production and other things, but actually in the environment, there's actually a meeting this afternoon I'm participating in about this and it's really scary is the New York Times article about Indonesia and microplastics. 351 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,140 that you might want to read in today's paper, 352 00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:31,580 or today's website. 353 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,960 Thank you. 354 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,400 Maybe more fodder for why we should maximize penalties. 355 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,500 Well, and it's a reason why somebody says 356 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:42,620 why is the board of health involved in the plastic bag ban? 357 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,400 Certainly. 358 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,440 Well, this is why. 359 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,340 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 360 00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:50,540 But we do need something, if we don't issue a license 361 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:56,900 that we can take away, is there some sort of legal way 362 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:02,940 Where we can say the board, I don't know, may not be a question for town council, but in 363 00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:07,280 meetings that we've had with them previously, and the feedback that we've gotten, it's 364 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:13,980 challenging to rescind a license that you didn't, your board did not issue. 365 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,800 And so, or if there's no license to sell, like, apples that you put in a plastic bag, you 366 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,800 that we're not regulating necessarily. 367 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,980 But yeah, we can ask them. 368 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,060 That's a legal question. 369 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,600 In my mind, too, it's third and subsequent offenses. 370 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440 So there's no cap, I believe, on the number 371 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,680 of subsequent offenses. 372 00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:40,560 So you get on Monday, you get the Tuesday and Wednesday. 373 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:45,060 So if it's something that you need to kind of not 374 00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:46,600 that you want to be going every single day 375 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,240 to these places to issue a fine, but sometimes 376 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,860 you need to ensure compliance. 377 00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:54,940 I mean, the $300 fine every day or a couple times a week would be a lot. 378 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,020 And then if you don't pay those fines, that's the time and have the ability to. 379 00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:04,520 Right. That's when I know at that point, the town can bring them for non-payment and fines. 380 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,700 Yes. Okay. 381 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:13,140 And then in some of the instances with a plastic bag, we have, like if a restaurant has bags, 382 00:33:13,420 --> 00:33:17,300 they technically have a permit, but places like with Devon was saying like a place like, 383 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:22,840 I think RK miles came up before just to use a similar place that has plastic packaging like they 384 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,260 They don't have a food permit obviously and we don't have a plastic bag permit 385 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:35,460 So in the cases like that I do wonder how you you know the fines would kind of be the only thing to do whereas in a food situation 386 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:36,400 I guess we could 387 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:41,340 You know there is a permit there in some but not in all only in some 388 00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:44,060 That does tricky it 389 00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:50,340 Well, if you can issue a fine, why is a penalty? 390 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:57,680 Why can't you issue a, we're closing you for 48 hours kind of penalty? 391 00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,520 I don't wonder. 392 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:01,420 That's a good question for the label. 393 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:05,020 I don't know, I don't know if you can just do that. 394 00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:07,960 Right, I don't think that the, the stretching on. 395 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:09,760 Yeah, exactly. I think there's authority. 396 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,740 There's certainly, we have to follow the code. 397 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:19,920 based on what the board is allowed to do, so whatever authority is granted to us 398 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:26,900 through both the state and town codes, that limits our authority, so we have to 399 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:31,780 put everything in there, it's sort of following, we have to follow the letter 400 00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:38,610 of the law. Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and move on to the next bylaw, which is 401 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:40,470 environmental health standards and definitions. 402 00:34:40,990 --> 00:34:45,470 And this is, I think, a pretty straightforward one if I... 403 00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:45,850 Yes. 404 00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:49,530 And is this still on the plastic bag right to this? 405 00:34:49,890 --> 00:34:57,510 This is regarding the word, so yes, it is on the plastic bag by law. 406 00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:00,050 And I'm wondering, and it's regarding the definitions, 407 00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:07,110 ASTMD6400, which is the American Society for Testing Materials. 408 00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:16,570 However, I have the actual wording was on the town warrant at town meeting and a lot of 409 00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:17,470 that was crossed off. 410 00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:21,450 So this is already out of that, I think, and they were looking at the old version. 411 00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:25,650 So I wonder if the E-code folks were just looking at an older version. 412 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:34,550 We should just verify with them that it's taken care of, definitely, because now that it's 413 00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:38,550 been approved by the AG. I'm sure the clerk town clerk will be working to get it working 414 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:44,870 with ECO to get it into a you know a tight doubt way into our website. So I'm absolutely 415 00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:50,370 I that one maybe one that we can skip because it's already been removed but I will verify 416 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:57,390 like you said look at a clean version. But otherwise I'd be in favor of replacing it with 417 00:35:57,390 --> 00:36:00,790 the more modern definition, the D6691. 418 00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:05,250 So that's a bit of a technicality in the law, 419 00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:09,070 but I think it's going to be a non-issue. 420 00:36:10,330 --> 00:36:15,510 OK, so the next one is the bylaw chapter 55, section 2A 421 00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:16,470 article no 8. 422 00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:17,550 No, sorry. 423 00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:19,670 Chapter 46, right to farm. 424 00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:22,730 Chapter 46 bylaw. 425 00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:26,610 And this is the right to farm. 426 00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:37,630 I mean, establishes Williamstown as a farming community pursuant to a section of the state code with all attended protections of that statute, provided that it reflects current practice. 427 00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:40,710 This chapter appears to be satisfactory as written, that was the recommendation. 428 00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:45,310 So, I see no reason why we can't just say that. 429 00:36:45,350 --> 00:36:51,170 I don't remember, I don't know if there's anyone on the board now except for me that we did actually have an issue. 430 00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:58,370 I remember with the chickens and reading through that and thinking back through the discussion 431 00:36:58,370 --> 00:37:04,390 that we had with that, the only thing, just in short, a gentleman complained that he 432 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:06,410 lived next to a farm where the chickens were. 433 00:37:06,490 --> 00:37:06,850 That was on the board. 434 00:37:07,090 --> 00:37:07,390 Okay. 435 00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:08,350 So you got that. 436 00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:16,030 But the only thing that I saw in there was the definition of enclosure, what you had to have 437 00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:23,090 your Polkry or whatever livestock enclosed in and there was no strict definition so could 438 00:37:23,090 --> 00:37:29,830 you have your chicken running around and that was the only thing I thought might be altered 439 00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:37,390 a little bit on that you know fence I don't even know how you would say it but and then 440 00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:42,950 of course with that of change the situation no right they can clock just as much inside 441 00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:47,070 So, it doesn't make that much difference. 442 00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:51,230 And just to add, sorry, Devin, I didn't want to go over that. 443 00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:55,690 But one of the questions that we kind of aren't going over today because we needed 444 00:37:55,690 --> 00:38:02,390 a little bit of guidance from town council did was another by-law, the Anna-Dur-Tan Anna-Dur-Tan Anna-Dur-Tan. 445 00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:07,930 Yeah, and it did actually ask if we wanted to define what adequate enclosure is. 446 00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:12,010 So, I wonder if that could be, I ran some new language 447 00:38:12,010 --> 00:38:18,550 which by town council, because there is a there is a CMR out there that kind of goes over what the state says is adequate. 448 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:24,890 So we down the line and include this in today's agenda, right, because it was going to be a longer discussion. 449 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:35,530 Yeah, but that there is a section that would I think we could address the more by more specifically defining what adequate means for enclosure. 450 00:38:35,530 --> 00:38:42,790 You can do that by potentially referencing the state code within our, our, the, down, by-law. 451 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:48,270 But this particular issue in hand is the chapter 46 right to farm. 452 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:52,670 That just establishes this community as a farming community. 453 00:38:54,350 --> 00:39:01,370 And that doesn't really address, I think, the enclosure and the adequacy of those enclosures 454 00:39:01,370 --> 00:39:04,170 in that particular by-law. 455 00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:07,870 It just recommended that we just maintain it as is. 456 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:12,070 There's no need to review it unless people feel differently. 457 00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:16,130 In which case, I'll move on to 458 00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:21,790 Biolol Chapter 552A Article 1, which is smoking and vaping. 459 00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:26,740 And this was also regarding the fee structure. 460 00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:31,040 And so this, I think it was the same concern for the, 461 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:37,400 But is this an adequate fee structure that 100, 200, 300, which I think we're tabling 462 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,100 that discussion to the next meeting? 463 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,560 It sounds like people want are in favor of making it standard, I think, that's awesome. 464 00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:48,760 Okay. 465 00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:56,020 Then the last one, the last by-law to review is chapter 56, Article 1, Solid Waste and Littering. 466 00:39:56,020 --> 00:40:10,800 This is a, it just requires any vehicle transporting litter and refuse in town to be covered, and that they ask us whether we should make any revisions. 467 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,020 argue 468 00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:19,930 that this is not well-enforced. 469 00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:27,990 Definitely good reminder, we'll see vehicles traveling, so I think at least a reminder 470 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:38,170 to the mostly smaller scale or private operators that do not cover their trucks and stuff 471 00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:46,590 does fly out, so that should be definitely, we could say enforcement is coming. 472 00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:53,650 And hopefully involve law enforcement to help with that if they've needed. 473 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:54,610 If they see any, yeah. 474 00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:55,770 Alrighty. 475 00:40:57,170 --> 00:41:02,750 I think those are all the bylaws and so once we have the wording that we like on each 476 00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:07,590 of those, hopefully by next meeting we could have a vote and then that goes to town meeting 477 00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:11,650 to be officially adopted and vote on that town. 478 00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:12,270 Okay. 479 00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:18,830 I would hope at some point we could go back to what Jim said and put our heads together 480 00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:33,010 and think is there a way besides the additional fines for chronic disregard of the laws, what 481 00:41:33,010 --> 00:41:35,770 might we properly consider? 482 00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:42,910 And I think Ruth getting guidance from the legal team, that won't happen, and even just 483 00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:48,090 understanding what to do. Like to your point, Devon, if you were to find somebody $300 every day, 484 00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:52,670 and then if the town's able to insist on the payment be made every week, or you know, 485 00:41:52,810 --> 00:42:00,450 figuring out, and then if in 24 hours, 24 hours without payment, that triggers the town being able 486 00:42:00,450 --> 00:42:06,550 to do something, right? So even if we can't do something ourselves, what needs to happen for the 487 00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:11,570 town to do something? Yeah, learning with that process. Right, so we construct your hours in order 488 00:42:11,570 --> 00:42:13,570 or it's quickly a possible trigger in the town. 489 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:16,030 That's definitely will be added to the question. 490 00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:17,270 The question was absolutely. 491 00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:18,630 That's a really good one. 492 00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:19,950 Thank you guys for bringing that. 493 00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:21,070 Yeah. 494 00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:24,630 Okay, so I'd like to move on to the regulations if that's okay. 495 00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:28,230 So these are Board of Health regulations for review. 496 00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:32,830 First one is chapter 142-6 on lower drains. 497 00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:37,290 The e-code said, and this is maybe a small thing, 498 00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:39,950 but is on the front page of the chapter. 499 00:42:40,750 --> 00:42:44,890 But neither the online or paper code is an actual front page for chapters. 500 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:54,350 So this wanted us to maybe rephrase that so that we could make it more consistent with an electronic format. 501 00:42:55,310 --> 00:43:02,930 So I'm going to recommend that we remove that on the front page of the chapter and instead reference the actual section of the code. 502 00:43:09,250 --> 00:43:14,110 Or the actual effective date that was decided upon that was made the law. 503 00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:18,470 Well, is anyone have any other concerns or questions? 504 00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:20,710 This is sort of a little bit of a technicality. 505 00:43:20,810 --> 00:43:24,050 Some of these are like, really, but they require public discussion 506 00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:26,110 and us to weigh in. 507 00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:33,150 The next one is chapter 147, section 5E, 508 00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:34,990 manufactured housing communities. 509 00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:37,570 Okay, what was this one about? 510 00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:39,690 There's another kind of just wording, 511 00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:51,210 like they renamed DEP, renamed a guideline, it seems like, and they just suggest we use what they rename it to another kind of formal. 512 00:43:51,770 --> 00:44:03,490 We should change DEP storm water management policy, and is instead mass DEP and Massachusetts storm water handbook and storm water standards. 513 00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:10,170 So just taking one and inserting the new terminology, which I think is reasonable, and easy to do. 514 00:44:10,830 --> 00:44:13,010 Any other concerns or questions about this one? 515 00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:21,650 Then we're going to move on to chapter 153, Refuse and Recycling. 516 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,580 That was another one I was just asking, you know, looks good. 517 00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:31,240 Do you think it also, do you also think it looks good? 518 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:40,000 So if, you know, anyone were to think just from your own private research if you thought it didn't, certainly, let us know. 519 00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:44,140 I'm okay with proceeding as this. 520 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,820 Anybody else concerns about this one? 521 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:53,280 Seems internally consistent and reasonable. 522 00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:59,780 Board of Health, chapter 158-24A smoking. 523 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,140 Restricting sale of tobacco products. 524 00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:12,970 Remember, this was also a just a typo that they wanted correct to. 525 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:37,400 It says that this site suspension of tobacco sales permits and that section of the regulation does not exist. Right. Oh, dear. No, I did. And I did. Sorry. This was number 158-002. It was just named incorrectly. So I think, sorry. So it should have been 105 CMR 660. 526 00:45:39,400 --> 00:46:01,300 So I think they just, at some point, 65 got like missed so that should be an easy one if you guys are and I did go in and verify that O-40 of that CMR-665 was still, but this is talking about which it does appear to be, or it is, so I think it was just 665 got missed. 527 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:06,940 And this is another example of just just heterogeneity in our fee structure. 528 00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:15,320 So this is a violation of $1,000 for the first case violation in the case of selling 529 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,540 tobacco products to a person on the age of 21. 530 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,780 And this is a state violation. 531 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,580 I guess it's consistent with the state. 532 00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:29,360 It must be a law or something that violates the state law. 533 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,520 So unless it has to violate a statement. 534 00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:42,380 Okay, dokey, so that seems reason that Ruth, I think it's just updating the number to fix the problem. 535 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,940 Chapter 159, Stables and Livestock Keeping. 536 00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:54,630 Satisfactory as written. 537 00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:00,640 We have a lot of break, not to be confusing. 538 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:10,780 We have like the animals the right to farm and then we have stables in life to keep things so this would be the kind of a separate one than the other two we kind of mentioned just 539 00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:13,730 to clarify. 540 00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:21,670 Does anybody see any reason to make any revisions? 541 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:40,820 I'm hearing none so I'm going to move on to regulation chapter 164 slash 5b section 4. 542 00:47:40,820 --> 00:47:45,480 This is regarding wells and well construction. 543 00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:48,660 What was the issue that they brought up? 544 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,260 I wondered. 545 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:56,440 So the e-code folks were wondering if we may just want to make a couple word adjustments. 546 00:47:57,620 --> 00:48:00,540 Similarly to the stormwater one we just talked about. 547 00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:04,060 It looks like division of water supply protection has been renamed. 548 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:17,860 And then rather than stating that the registered well-driller, rather than referring to them as a registered well-driller, you guess, Mass-E-P certified well-driller? 549 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:19,480 Yeah, Mass-Till-P certified well-driller. 550 00:48:19,580 --> 00:48:26,740 So again, a little formality that does require poor health approval, but a kind of easy one, unless you guys see. 551 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:27,240 That makes sense. 552 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,000 Another issue. 553 00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:29,620 That seems like a slam dunk. 554 00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:30,700 Thank you guys. 555 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,120 I appreciate fantastic. 556 00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:35,080 I know this seems a little tedious, 557 00:48:35,490 --> 00:48:38,060 but I think it still is our law system. 558 00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:39,670 And we have to make sure that we're 559 00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:41,160 Yes. 560 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,760 And so hopefully for next time, 561 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,140 we can maybe have some clarity 562 00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:48,660 about the fee structure 563 00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:49,960 maximums. 564 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,540 And then whether we can just hopefully 565 00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:55,440 add it to the one section 566 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,660 referred to the general fee structure 567 00:48:57,660 --> 00:49:11,780 for various enforcement needs, so you can kind of just refer to it and it's just the general fee structure that you can then amend as, you know, inflation changes things. 568 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:17,780 And I'll get a better packet to us just with what we've talked about once we have that. 569 00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:24,320 But that would probably require us changing the actual fee structure under each line and 570 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,740 just say refer to fee structure. 571 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,700 That way next time when it comes to amend the fee structure, you're not going to regulate 572 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:30,240 it. 573 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:38,120 You're just referring to the fee structure, like in chapter 1 where the fee structure is actually 574 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,440 put through bylaws. 575 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:41,840 Okay. 576 00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:42,680 Fantastic. 577 00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:43,500 Thanks everybody. 578 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,540 I'm going to go to correspondence. 579 00:49:45,540 --> 00:49:52,320 So there was nothing that I heard of you any correspondence and the meantime no and then I'm 580 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,220 moved to adjournment. Before I go to adjournment, they'll pick up a meeting date. 581 00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:07,380 I guess this kind of puts us into like the first or second week of October. 582 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,840 We had a Columbus Day kind of would make that difficult. We could meet on the 13th 583 00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:21,920 if two days works. Does that work? Okay. How about the week prior? 584 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:31,080 with that work. Let's see. The fifth with that work. Let's do it. Does that work for everybody? 585 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,240 I'm going to be going all that month but I can zoom in wherever I am. 586 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:43,420 Okay, Marcio you. I'm fine. So October 5th for a next board of health. Fantastic. Thanks everybody. 587 00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:48,800 All right. Here we are five short of ten o'clock. Actually wait. 588 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:55,240 I think it is. I think it is. Maybe seven short. So I'm going to ask for a movement to 589 00:50:56,740 --> 00:51:01,980 adjourn. I move to adjourn. Is there a second? I will second it. All in favor. Hi. All 590 00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:06,560 opposed. All right. Thanks everybody really for your time.