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There we go.

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Next item to set the agenda.

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Does anybody have anything to add to the agenda or

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There's a liquor License that

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We had to add?

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Put that under the road rehab thing?

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Yep. And that's the one we received in our packet. Yeah.

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Came in minutes after you asked me about,

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Should we put that hammer under there too?

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What's that? Should we put that hammer

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on there too? Or just,

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I think we can talk about that under the

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Discussion.

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Okay. Anybody else have everything on the agenda?

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Okay. I need a motion to prove the agenda is amended.

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I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as amended

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Here.

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Second, I'll second. Motion. Remain seconded. All in favor?

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Aye. View

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of open public comments.

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There's a laminated thing on the shelf up there.

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If anybody's interested how we conduct the meetings.

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They can review that. Is there

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any select board announcements?

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No. Any public announcements,

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commissions, committees, trustees, emergency service reports

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or other board announcements?

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Okay. Next item is approved warrants.

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Is there any on needs if you guys can't vote on

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or should vote

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On my only?

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We can. I can't. I don't think I can consider.

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Vote on 22 1 9 2 and 22 1 9 3.

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But I have a couple of questions on those.

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I mean, it's just the payroll. I'm just

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the payroll. It's not

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The, the warrants.

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I'm fine. Okay. So you, you're good on all the warrants

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Or, well, no, I have a couple of questions on those.

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I can't vote on them, but I have some questions on them.

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You still question. So which ones

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I can vote on?

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We'll do the ones that you can vote on for

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1 91 and one 90.

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One 90 and 1 91 91

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1 9 90 and one 90. 90 and 91.

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90, 91. Okay. Okay.

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Let's vote on, you have a motion to vote on 22 1 90

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and 22 1 91.

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First I make the motion to approve.

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We second. I'll second. Motion made Second. Any discussion?

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All in favor? Aye. Aye.

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Okay, now need a motion on

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1 92 and 1 93 for your motion on that.

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I'll make a a motion to approve those as written there.

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Second. Second. Motion. Any second? Any discussion, Tyler?

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Yes. On page two,

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REM construction was hired

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for grading on Elm Street and culvert work.

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I just wanna make sure there was a purpose for

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that versus the town doing that work.

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They have a smaller machine. Okay.

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That would fit better on that street. Okay.

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So remember that. Okay.

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That was, that was the question on that one.

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And it was already signed. That was my other question.

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Never messaged out again.

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I can't actually vote on it,

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but it should least been informed.

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You guys came in and signed it a couple weeks ago.

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But you still have to approve it.

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I mean Yeah, but I didn't,

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I don't know if we ever got the message of full.

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Maybe we did get a message. I don't know. I hope so.

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I don't remember getting Everybody else came in.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty sure you did. Okay.

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Maybe I, I could have gotten the message.

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I just, I didn't pick up on it. Yeah, just wanna make sure.

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I'm pretty sure you did.

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I got message when ready? Yeah.

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Anybody else have this one?

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And then for 1 93, first page, BTV.

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We have a first quarter web streaming payment

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of $895 and 50 cents.

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I looked at the budget from 2025 fiscal year and 2026.

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And those have both been approved to $0.

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So where's that money actually coming from?

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We we're just gonna pay it. He was doing it for free. Okay.

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He just didn't tell us. Okay.

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So we're paying for the stuff that he's hosted by far.

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That's fine. I just wanted to make sure.

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Yeah, it's not gonna put us over on any budgets, but Okay.

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We, we do need to pay for his services. Yeah, that's fine.

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They just, so next time, I guess next year we have

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to make sure we put somebody in there

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so we're gonna make sure we budget it for or going forward.

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And this isn't, wouldn't be for recording though.

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It would be for posting it, right? Correct. Okay. Yeah.

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No, I'm recording that. Yeah. Yeah.

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But the, the account is coming out of, like I said, yeah,

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I looked at both the budgets

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and then I think it was explained

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that the firetruck replacement looked quite expensive.

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That just comes out of its own special account.

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Again, it just wasn't listed. Yeah.

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It's a reserve account that was listed.

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Just wanna make sure that, like I said,

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for all the citizens, I just recommend that all

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of us selectmen have every account so we know

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where the money's actually coming from.

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Because I looked at, I, I made a, I made a list for all

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of us that every citizen sees in the town book.

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I just put all the account numbers next to it

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and that one wasn't showing up.

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So wanna make sure. Actually,

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No, I also questioned that one.

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I asked him before we started the meeting

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and it was, that came outta the reserve fund.

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It's a large amount of money.

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I wanna know where it came from.

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Oh, and then page three, kind

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of midway down the page.

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Which one you on? 93.

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93? Yeah. 93.

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It's VLCT Passive Greg Donahue.

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Ice Town off un unanticipated expense. What is that?

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Just during the winter when Greg was driving to go

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to our back parking lot.

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Okay. Snow and ice came off,

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Destroyed the roof.

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Yep. That's alright. That's fine.

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I just, well, I'm gonna be honest with people with

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what people call ice Now,

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I wasn't sure if the town had done something

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or if people were protesting ice.

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That's where I felt that money was.

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Well he was definitely protesting the

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Ice. 'cause it's

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All, it's in all capitals

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So that's our thousand dollars is our Okay,

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That's fine.

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Yeah, no, I remember talking about that. Yeah.

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You made the unfortunate wrong move. Yeah.

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The timing of that was crazy. Yeah, no I know.

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In out there all day.

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Yeah. I just, like I said,

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everything I read in the news about ice,

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I didn't think it was actually physical

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ice. I thought it was something gonna do.

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The poor guy was so shaken up,

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he couldn't tell me his phone number

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or where he lived. Yep. Or anything.

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And this, the policy now is if

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there's snow rice on the roof,

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cones are going out to the back parking lot. Yeah.

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We'll have signage up and we'll have all that

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Stuff back.

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Your car there, you can't get through. Yeah.

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Yeah. You put in. No,

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That's all I had on it.

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Everybody else all set? Yeah. Okay. All in favor? Aye.

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Aye. Opposed?

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Abstain Favor warrants.

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I have to abstain from five 17.

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I have to, I have to abstain from 5 31.

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You're on 5 31? I'm on five 17. Five 17.

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Okay, let's, we'll do five 17 first.

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We have a motion on five 17 payroll warrant.

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I'll make a motion as written.

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Second Motion. Ba second. Any discussion on that?

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All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay.

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Next one's 5 31. Have a motion on that.

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Motion will approve. Is read.

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We second? I'll second. Motion made Second.

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Any discussion? All in favor? Aye.

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I. I abstain.

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Okay. Next item. Approve the select board meeting in

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minutes of five 11.

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Second motion on that. Make motion to accept.

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Second Mr. Bacon. Second. Any discussion on the minutes?

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I did some, did we get the,

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did they get the newer version? Yeah, I saw the

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One you'll sign will be the one that

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You, okay.

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There was I've, I've made some grammatical changes.

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It's like, for example, the first page,

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it just says Youth sports association.

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The second page says Williamstown Youth Sports Association

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to make sure they all say Williamstown Youth Sports.

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And then I think the only other big thing was

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after executive session, the vote was

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put down on the minutes.

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Correct? Yep. Okay.

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That was not on the original minutes,

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but the vote was there.

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Okay.

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So this is amended version.

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Yeah. You look at this on the amended

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Version.

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I don't think, did I, did I fix anything else?

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I think there was just some

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grammatical stuff other than that

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Was Then you were questioning whether

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or not what happened over at the dog over

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At sea?

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Yeah. Sea Field. Yeah. Yep.

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Which that was a dog defecating on the field.

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That was, I thought we discussed other issues.

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Okay. So,

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okay. All in favor of minutes.

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Well, so we, should I make a that we vote as amended?

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Are the, because this, this one, this one has the,

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Okay.

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Maybe you got so you guys should, okay.

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Maybe I just didn't, maybe I didn't get

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that one because I brought it in.

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Does does your last page have the thing?

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Oh no, no. I guess I do have it. Note one. I don't. Sorry.

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Yeah, my bad. But it's still missing.

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This one's still missing Williamstown. On the first page.

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Yeah, it says the use for, so

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She, that's Three.

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Three lanes up from the bottom.

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Oh yeah,

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That one's there.

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And then that one's there.

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Second line down April, 2024 six. Middle sentence.

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It says Youth force association.

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Oh. Two different spots. Two different spots.

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There a second line down and third by

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Line. It's on that one.

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Okay. Okay. So

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Set. That's why.

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So do we still need to say as amended? I

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Would just probably ASD as Amended.

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Okay. In favor? Aye. Aye.

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Next item in is manager's report. Ryan.

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Okay.

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Alright. We had an unannounced audit from Shaw,

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which is the Mine Safety

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and Health Administration, which is the branch

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of the Federal Department of Labor.

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And we received five citations

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for not having a safety berm at the gravel pit entrance.

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No available training plan upon requests.

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No available safety program for the mobile equipment

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and not updating contact info when town leadership changed

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and not having a record

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of the screening equipment at the pit.

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Having gone through an annual continuity

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and resistance test, the inspector was understanding

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of our current situation of having myself

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and elwyn in new leadership roles.

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And he has given us until six 15 to correct these violations

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so that we aren't fined.

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I've already completed three of the five

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and fixing the other two violations will be achievable

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in the time that's left.

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It's mostly paperwork stuff

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and I had an electrician go out Friday to

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test the screener.

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So once I get his report I can give that

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to the auditor.

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So we won't, we won't end up with any fines.

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I'll have it all fixed. It was just paperwork

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stuff that we couldn't find.

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And then as we were dealing with stuff in the pit,

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the new rope foreman Elwin would like

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to know the board's thoughts on potentially shutting down

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the pit at some point

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and purchasing when we're saying instead he doesn't like the

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quality of the, of the material that comes out of the pit

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after it's screened.

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But I don't know anything about that stuff.

277
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So what, where is the pit? Where it pikes is?

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Mike Pikes is

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Same entrance on the right.

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I can tell you that the down brookfield's paying about

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$80,000 a year for 3,400 yards of sand.

282
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So, alright. So we can't do that this year.

283
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I think we should keep the pit

284
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Can't do that this year.

285
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All the other towns around are buying stuff

286
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because we can't find it anywhere.

287
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It's very scarce. Gotcha.

288
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I think we should, should do as long as we can

289
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Screens well. Yeah, I was

290
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Ask is there, is it an equipment issue?

291
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Is there, he doesn't like the quality

292
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of the material after it's screened.

293
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So it's not that there's, he said we're putting bad material

294
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on the roads and just building up.

295
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But that was his opinion

296
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and he wanted to know anyone else's thoughts

297
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and I don't really, I don't know. Good.

298
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You have to be careful where they're digging in the pit.

299
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There are some areas that it's real silty stuff you don't

300
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want to have, but there are some good, good things too.

301
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Yeah. He's got to not use the to

302
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used, well ed fire numbers was running.

303
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You had to pile, you put all the junk in

304
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and fill in the holes later with it.

305
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Not just run everything

306
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through the screen like they've been doing.

307
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It's easier. Might

308
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Be a little, you saying it's a little

309
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operator error? Yeah.

310
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I assume. I know why he wants to get rid of it

311
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because that only reason him show's

312
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down there is 'cause of the screen.

313
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Yeah. That's it. That's the only thing that

314
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We're considered a mine.

315
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We're not, you know,

316
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We have a screen, anytime we go anywhere

317
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and do stuff for something else,

318
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we're supposed to report it to them.

319
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Yeah. So they come check if they want it. Yeah.

320
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We need to set a date for Dave

321
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while there's public hearing.

322
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I did suggest a couple dates here,

323
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but I heard back from his lawyer that

324
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he would prefer it be in July and not in June.

325
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So he can have time to line things up.

326
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So I don't know if that's something we want

327
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to do at our next regular meeting the second Monday of July

328
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or if anybody had any thoughts

329
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or we can, we can always schedule it at some other time.

330
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We wouldn't know the,

331
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what's the date for the July meeting?

332
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13th. 13th? Yeah. 13th. Yeah.

333
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I mean that's after the fourth.

334
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Everybody should be aware of that. Yeah. And do it, do it.

335
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The regular meeting. I suggest that. Yeah.

336
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I don't see why we have to have an extra

337
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I'm I'm gone that week.

338
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No, That

339
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We could have a special one. I mean, if

340
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You want the only, the only day

341
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of July I'm available is the sixth.

342
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It's up to, I'm going every other one.

343
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I'm, I'm available sixth on the 13th.

344
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Are you talking about Mondays? Yeah.

345
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Okay. But if we wanna do a i i am available July 6th

346
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and then or July 13th, July 20th and 27th.

347
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I'm outta state.

348
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I could do the sixth. The sixth? It's

349
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The of July.

350
00:16:10,045 --> 00:16:11,005
It is the first Monday of July.

351
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The first Monday. Oh, it's your parent thing. Okay.

352
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I did not know his birthday either.

353
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I, I don't care.

354
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So you guys wanna do it without me? Go for it.

355
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And, and if it happens my birthday, you'll have it

356
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before Monday I think.

357
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Okay. Anyway, I'm fine with whatever, either way. Whatever

358
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I, I'm good with either day.

359
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So

360
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You really want to be here.

361
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I mean It's up to you.

362
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I You say yes or no.

363
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I kind of like to be Okay.

364
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Do it on the sixth that work for you

365
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Guys, but Well, do you want do it do we,

366
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do we do it on a different day of the week?

367
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Yeah. I Mean we can do, I can do other days

368
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and Mondays I just can't.

369
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I'm gone from the 12th through the 16th

370
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so what in July so I can do it

371
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Do like a following Monday or whatever.

372
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Tyler's gone finally Mondays

373
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but not, not that it necessarily has to be a Monday for, it

374
00:17:17,285 --> 00:17:18,405
Doesn't have to be Monday for me.

375
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You know what I mean? As

376
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Long as it's seven o'clock or after.

377
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Right. I'm here. 'cause no matter what,

378
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those are the hours that I don't

379
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Have.

380
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So when are you gonna get back?

381
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I'll, I'll be back the 16th. What day is that?

382
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A Thursday. Thursday? Yep.

383
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That works for me. There's

384
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loading nothing on my calendar. So

385
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Does that work for you?

386
00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:38,885
Yeah. That you Oh yeah. Work for review.

387
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Text me July.

388
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July 16th. 16

389
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16th.

390
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July. Kelly she'll be there.

391
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Will she need to be there as well? Yes.

392
00:17:52,095 --> 00:17:53,095
We'll have to talk about that.

393
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Check her schedule too. Yeah. Does that work for you?

394
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Okay, we're good. Okay.

395
00:18:01,305 --> 00:18:04,205
And is it here at seven? It'll be here at seven.

396
00:18:04,825 --> 00:18:09,205
At seven o'clock. When are we check away

397
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and make sure you ain't got something

398
00:18:10,285 --> 00:18:11,325
going on that night in.

399
00:18:18,555 --> 00:18:22,365
Okay. We were able to get the water bills out in time

400
00:18:22,465 --> 00:18:24,405
but we had to use an average reading rather

401
00:18:24,405 --> 00:18:25,485
than the actual reading.

402
00:18:25,785 --> 00:18:29,045
Due to not having the required software on my workstation

403
00:18:29,785 --> 00:18:32,085
and not being able to find a workaround in time.

404
00:18:33,595 --> 00:18:35,725
Have reached out to EJ Prescott

405
00:18:35,725 --> 00:18:38,725
and set up a meeting with their SRU meter sales person

406
00:18:38,825 --> 00:18:40,285
to talk about a better path forward

407
00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:42,845
for us in the meter reading department.

408
00:18:44,395 --> 00:18:47,005
They're going to help us with it support

409
00:18:47,225 --> 00:18:50,045
so we can avoid paying census the $4,000

410
00:18:50,635 --> 00:18:52,085
they want just for their help.

411
00:18:53,865 --> 00:18:56,725
And then we can plan to upgrade the meters as we have

412
00:18:56,725 --> 00:18:58,845
to replace them with the latest technology.

413
00:18:58,865 --> 00:19:00,965
The meters that will make reading them faster and easier.

414
00:19:02,865 --> 00:19:07,085
The ones they make now come standard with like a,

415
00:19:07,085 --> 00:19:09,125
basically a little Bluetooth radio unit.

416
00:19:09,505 --> 00:19:12,005
And Allen when he's doing his readings doesn't have

417
00:19:12,005 --> 00:19:13,725
to go up to each property.

418
00:19:14,265 --> 00:19:16,165
He can read it from the end of the driveways

419
00:19:16,345 --> 00:19:17,565
as, as we replace 'em.

420
00:19:17,565 --> 00:19:18,765
We wouldn't do a mass replacement

421
00:19:18,925 --> 00:19:20,125
'cause that would be super expensive.

422
00:19:20,265 --> 00:19:21,265
But,

423
00:19:22,665 --> 00:19:25,645
And and this will work with the current meters?

424
00:19:26,065 --> 00:19:27,965
Yes. It'll work with the current meters.

425
00:19:28,145 --> 00:19:31,085
So the software we used to use

426
00:19:31,105 --> 00:19:33,165
to do readings is being phased out.

427
00:19:33,225 --> 00:19:34,685
So we would have to change either way

428
00:19:37,145 --> 00:19:40,125
rather than buy a very expensive scanner like the one we

429
00:19:40,325 --> 00:19:42,445
have now cost the town $16,000.

430
00:19:42,665 --> 00:19:46,085
We would just get a Samsung tablet

431
00:19:46,225 --> 00:19:47,325
for a couple hundred bucks,

432
00:19:47,985 --> 00:19:50,485
put a little widget thing on it and we'd be good to go.

433
00:19:53,345 --> 00:19:55,045
So I'll, I'll have a meeting with them

434
00:19:55,065 --> 00:19:57,805
and see what our options are and and update you guys.

435
00:19:58,155 --> 00:20:01,405
Okay. On that note, that little demeanor

436
00:20:01,835 --> 00:20:05,565
that you're talking, is that one that was, was taken

437
00:20:05,785 --> 00:20:07,365
before as we get, is

438
00:20:07,365 --> 00:20:09,245
that the same thing you're talking about?

439
00:20:09,665 --> 00:20:12,605
My, the workstation that we needed with the software on

440
00:20:12,605 --> 00:20:14,005
that, that was taken unless

441
00:20:14,105 --> 00:20:15,105
The police evidence.

442
00:20:15,145 --> 00:20:16,885
And has that been returned yet?

443
00:20:16,985 --> 00:20:18,845
It has not been returned. Second.

444
00:20:18,845 --> 00:20:19,965
I can't get anyone to talk to

445
00:20:19,965 --> 00:20:20,965
Me.

446
00:20:20,965 --> 00:20:22,365
Okay. Second question on, on that.

447
00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:23,605
This new upgrade

448
00:20:23,705 --> 00:20:26,965
or these new meters installed, is that just,

449
00:20:28,835 --> 00:20:30,885
will that be coming out of our budget somewhere

450
00:20:31,025 --> 00:20:34,925
or that's not gonna affect their homeowners?

451
00:20:35,705 --> 00:20:37,365
No. Separately. They're not gonna get a belt

452
00:20:37,425 --> 00:20:38,725
for any of this stuff, right? No,

453
00:20:38,985 --> 00:20:40,805
I'm not talking about a mass meter replacement.

454
00:20:40,865 --> 00:20:42,685
I'm just saying as meters fail

455
00:20:42,785 --> 00:20:44,765
or as we get new people coming in,

456
00:20:45,185 --> 00:20:48,125
we would just buy these newer ones rather than the

457
00:20:48,125 --> 00:20:49,245
ones we've been sticking with.

458
00:20:50,705 --> 00:20:52,325
So we've slowly replaced them.

459
00:20:52,755 --> 00:20:56,725
Okay. But no, but no existing cost. No it's not

460
00:20:56,725 --> 00:20:57,725
Homeowner.

461
00:20:57,725 --> 00:20:59,085
No it's not cost or

462
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Anything.

463
00:21:00,165 --> 00:21:00,885
So do you need that stuff that they got?

464
00:21:01,525 --> 00:21:02,525
I don't, I don't need it.

465
00:21:02,625 --> 00:21:03,885
You don't need the water bell's over.

466
00:21:04,495 --> 00:21:07,285
These guys will hook me up with a way to read

467
00:21:07,385 --> 00:21:10,005
before we have to read again in October.

468
00:21:10,605 --> 00:21:12,005
Yeah. Okay. So

469
00:21:17,185 --> 00:21:19,405
I'm still receiving positive results from

470
00:21:19,465 --> 00:21:20,525
my phone app survey.

471
00:21:21,545 --> 00:21:24,565
The company is willing to lower the initial year's price,

472
00:21:24,585 --> 00:21:26,805
the 3,600 from 3,900

473
00:21:27,345 --> 00:21:30,045
unless anyone has any objectives I can move forward

474
00:21:30,105 --> 00:21:32,365
and that won have project going

475
00:21:33,905 --> 00:21:35,925
and use the money from this year's budget

476
00:21:35,925 --> 00:21:39,205
before it turns over to our new fiscal.

477
00:21:45,075 --> 00:21:47,645
There's a three acre stormwater permitting project

478
00:21:47,995 --> 00:21:50,005
that has been in the works over the past couple years

479
00:21:50,005 --> 00:21:52,005
concerning the business center and the commercial center.

480
00:21:53,505 --> 00:21:55,525
And we need to have the design stage wrapped up

481
00:21:55,585 --> 00:21:57,045
by August at the latest.

482
00:21:57,345 --> 00:22:02,285
So this requires the town to pay a $16,520 impact fee

483
00:22:02,285 --> 00:22:06,885
for the business center and a $57,525

484
00:22:07,145 --> 00:22:09,525
impact fee for the commercial center just

485
00:22:09,525 --> 00:22:10,645
to get those permits.

486
00:22:12,465 --> 00:22:15,205
The town is applied for a grant to,

487
00:22:15,355 --> 00:22:17,685
well it's two grants technically to help cover the design

488
00:22:17,705 --> 00:22:19,005
and the impact fee costs.

489
00:22:19,835 --> 00:22:22,485
They won't fully cover the combined impact fees

490
00:22:22,485 --> 00:22:26,205
however, so the town will be on the hook for roughly $23,000

491
00:22:26,255 --> 00:22:27,365
after reimbursement.

492
00:22:28,965 --> 00:22:31,565
I worked with the treasurer's office today.

493
00:22:32,625 --> 00:22:37,005
We will have enough surplus to cover that $23,000 this year

494
00:22:37,705 --> 00:22:39,165
to just go ahead and pay those

495
00:22:39,585 --> 00:22:43,925
and then it won't impact the new financial year's budgets.

496
00:22:45,025 --> 00:22:46,965
So we'll, we'll just end up using the,

497
00:22:47,545 --> 00:22:49,445
the surplus from this year's. And

498
00:22:49,445 --> 00:22:51,445
This is just for design and permitting?

499
00:22:52,595 --> 00:22:57,165
Yeah, so in the, in the business center

500
00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:00,445
there's a design that's been made

501
00:23:00,445 --> 00:23:03,525
to put in basically like these big, almost like dry wells.

502
00:23:03,525 --> 00:23:04,645
Yeah, I remember that. Had some rain

503
00:23:04,645 --> 00:23:05,805
gardens and stuff like that.

504
00:23:05,945 --> 00:23:07,605
You capture the storm water. Yeah.

505
00:23:08,065 --> 00:23:10,525
It doesn't capture everything the state wants us to capture.

506
00:23:10,665 --> 00:23:13,525
So then we have to pay a $16,000 impact fee.

507
00:23:13,685 --> 00:23:15,365
'cause we didn't quite make the finish line.

508
00:23:16,065 --> 00:23:18,965
And then in the commercial center we can't,

509
00:23:19,625 --> 00:23:20,765
you can't really build anything

510
00:23:20,765 --> 00:23:22,285
where all the swap is and all that stuff.

511
00:23:22,425 --> 00:23:24,885
So pay a much bigger fine. Okay.

512
00:23:24,885 --> 00:23:26,845
Yeah this is a one time fine though.

513
00:23:26,845 --> 00:23:28,005
It's not looking every year thing.

514
00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:30,005
Well one time for now.

515
00:23:30,665 --> 00:23:32,565
One one time until they change their mind.

516
00:23:32,585 --> 00:23:34,605
But just so there's enough people in here

517
00:23:34,605 --> 00:23:38,085
that they're understanding that where this money is,

518
00:23:38,705 --> 00:23:41,085
the state of Vermont is causing this situation.

519
00:23:41,615 --> 00:23:44,845
State of Vermont approved Buffalo's projects. Exactly,

520
00:23:45,035 --> 00:23:46,035
Exactly.

521
00:23:46,035 --> 00:23:47,405
Begin with then they decide

522
00:23:47,405 --> 00:23:48,445
they wanna do something different.

523
00:23:49,035 --> 00:23:53,565
Yeah. Yeah. All has to do with act two 50 stuff

524
00:23:54,245 --> 00:23:56,685
ties into the flood insurance program

525
00:23:57,105 --> 00:23:58,525
and everybody wants to cut.

526
00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:03,365
Oh yeah. I mean we're on the hook for it and

527
00:24:04,125 --> 00:24:05,125
I know what they do.

528
00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:06,365
If you just owe me, weren't gonna pay it.

529
00:24:07,525 --> 00:24:10,125
I dunno. I don't know. Take your swamp. I don't know

530
00:24:10,125 --> 00:24:11,125
What gonna do.

531
00:24:12,225 --> 00:24:14,045
We wouldn't get the permits so then we can, I

532
00:24:14,045 --> 00:24:15,045
Know there's a lot of towns.

533
00:24:15,045 --> 00:24:16,925
I like to tell em that. I've heard it from

534
00:24:16,925 --> 00:24:18,045
several different towns there.

535
00:24:18,155 --> 00:24:20,165
Arms about it. We had a band together

536
00:24:20,165 --> 00:24:23,245
and say we don't do it.

537
00:24:23,315 --> 00:24:27,885
Yeah. Really? She might think differently. I don't know.

538
00:24:30,195 --> 00:24:32,125
Give herself a guess on that one.

539
00:24:33,785 --> 00:24:37,685
Our deco tax total is $215,181

540
00:24:37,825 --> 00:24:42,445
and we recovered $13,467 this past past month.

541
00:24:43,025 --> 00:24:47,125
And our delinquent utility total is $31,524.

542
00:24:47,865 --> 00:24:48,925
Not accounting for the bills

543
00:24:48,925 --> 00:24:51,845
that just went out since they have 30 days to pay those.

544
00:24:52,625 --> 00:24:55,325
We have recovered $1,464 this past month.

545
00:25:02,145 --> 00:25:05,965
Anyone else have any questions or comments for Ryan?

546
00:25:06,565 --> 00:25:07,805
I was gonna say make a motion

547
00:25:08,065 --> 00:25:10,765
to have the phone app created.

548
00:25:11,595 --> 00:25:12,595
Okay.

549
00:25:15,285 --> 00:25:16,845
I second that. Yeah, I'll second it.

550
00:25:17,325 --> 00:25:18,725
I guess everybody likes that

551
00:25:19,235 --> 00:25:22,685
same discussion. Just quick

552
00:25:22,845 --> 00:25:24,245
Question on how do, how many like

553
00:25:24,845 --> 00:25:26,525
responses have you like, have they

554
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,125
Filled Out physical responses?

555
00:25:28,195 --> 00:25:30,285
I've got almost 30 now. Yeah.

556
00:25:30,645 --> 00:25:32,165
'cause I have 'em at the front desk as they

557
00:25:32,165 --> 00:25:33,205
come into the town clerks.

558
00:25:33,275 --> 00:25:35,405
Yeah. And then I got like 80 something on

559
00:25:35,405 --> 00:25:36,765
the Facebook post they made.

560
00:25:36,795 --> 00:25:41,525
Yeah. And I edited those to make it clear that it's free

561
00:25:41,525 --> 00:25:43,445
to download and use, but it cost the,

562
00:25:44,075 --> 00:25:45,075
Okay.

563
00:25:45,075 --> 00:25:46,845
And it was after that update people were

564
00:25:46,845 --> 00:25:47,845
Still Yep.

565
00:25:47,845 --> 00:25:49,365
I didn't hear any negative responses

566
00:25:49,475 --> 00:25:50,765
from any of that stuff, so.

567
00:25:52,995 --> 00:25:54,685
Yeah. Sounds like everybody likes this.

568
00:25:56,025 --> 00:25:58,245
The responses are, he didn't say what that was. Huh?

569
00:25:58,545 --> 00:26:01,205
He didn't say what the responses. Were they positive?

570
00:26:02,325 --> 00:26:04,845
Positive? He said they're, they're positive. Oh, positive.

571
00:26:04,845 --> 00:26:07,805
Yeah. Positive. Yeah. Open one more avenue for people to get

572
00:26:07,805 --> 00:26:08,805
Information.

573
00:26:08,805 --> 00:26:09,605
I have the little, the little app icon

574
00:26:09,605 --> 00:26:10,645
could be Scott's face.

575
00:26:11,115 --> 00:26:15,085
Smiling face. That's

576
00:26:15,085 --> 00:26:16,085
Good.

577
00:26:16,085 --> 00:26:17,365
Yep. Yep.

578
00:26:19,505 --> 00:26:23,965
That's different number than I get. Okay.

579
00:26:24,505 --> 00:26:27,005
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed?

580
00:26:30,575 --> 00:26:33,885
Thank you Ryan. Okay, up next is a

581
00:26:34,595 --> 00:26:38,725
hearing on a nuisance dog on one 40 Casino Road.

582
00:26:39,705 --> 00:26:42,485
Yep. So

583
00:26:42,675 --> 00:26:46,125
Anna, did they, do you guys have the printout,

584
00:26:46,345 --> 00:26:47,725
the statements, et cetera?

585
00:26:48,485 --> 00:26:50,685
I, I didn't print out all the papers, yes. But okay.

586
00:26:50,985 --> 00:26:53,565
The initial email that summarizes everything.

587
00:26:54,185 --> 00:26:56,645
Yes. So, so I don't know if you've had a chance

588
00:26:56,705 --> 00:26:59,565
to read it, but I was notified

589
00:27:00,945 --> 00:27:03,765
by Patricia Pierce who lives at the end of Casino Road

590
00:27:04,345 --> 00:27:08,405
on the 29th that her

591
00:27:08,405 --> 00:27:13,165
and her neighbor at the end of Casino Road lost a total

592
00:27:13,185 --> 00:27:17,445
of 12 birds,

593
00:27:18,295 --> 00:27:20,725
eight hens and four Guinea hands.

594
00:27:22,665 --> 00:27:25,885
And Dale Vander Bloom, who lives on the end of

595
00:27:25,885 --> 00:27:27,765
that road has a security camera up.

596
00:27:28,385 --> 00:27:31,645
And so there was video footage as well as

597
00:27:34,115 --> 00:27:35,645
Erin, who also lives at the end of the road,

598
00:27:35,665 --> 00:27:37,805
has it on her security as well.

599
00:27:39,755 --> 00:27:41,965
Brought him away to Keita type dog.

600
00:27:43,765 --> 00:27:46,525
I think it was there from like between 3:00 AM to

601
00:27:47,145 --> 00:27:48,845
six 30 ish am

602
00:27:49,995 --> 00:27:52,845
just wiping out the bird population.

603
00:27:55,065 --> 00:28:00,045
And I recognized the dog

604
00:28:00,045 --> 00:28:04,445
because I had written a ticket for running loose four days

605
00:28:04,495 --> 00:28:07,645
after the last select board meeting that we had

606
00:28:08,075 --> 00:28:10,485
regarding dogs running loose from the one

607
00:28:10,485 --> 00:28:11,685
40 casino or property.

608
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:18,965
I went on the Facebook page, there is a,

609
00:28:19,845 --> 00:28:21,005
I think it's from 20,

610
00:28:25,445 --> 00:28:29,085
I think it's from 2022, a photo

611
00:28:29,145 --> 00:28:31,445
of the dog advertised for adoption.

612
00:28:32,265 --> 00:28:37,085
It does say on there aggressive with dog,

613
00:28:37,175 --> 00:28:40,205
other dogs, cats, chickens.

614
00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:45,485
It actually says, would like fresh chicken prefer its meals

615
00:28:45,545 --> 00:28:47,085
or something catchy like that.

616
00:28:48,745 --> 00:28:51,605
So it's on the Facebook page there as well.

617
00:28:53,805 --> 00:28:58,565
I contacted the Sheriff Orange County Sheriff's Department,

618
00:28:59,245 --> 00:29:03,245
I, and that what you have from me is what I sent to them

619
00:29:03,875 --> 00:29:07,565
with a bunch of photos of the massacre as well as

620
00:29:09,345 --> 00:29:11,885
the security footage that shows the dog

621
00:29:12,685 --> 00:29:13,885
entering the chicken coop.

622
00:29:16,345 --> 00:29:21,325
And he, I sent him with the bill, well I met with

623
00:29:21,435 --> 00:29:23,085
with Patricia and Dale

624
00:29:23,745 --> 00:29:28,445
and got the bill that they would want paid.

625
00:29:28,875 --> 00:29:32,085
Obviously that's not something I can enforce.

626
00:29:32,565 --> 00:29:33,725
I sent it with the sheriff.

627
00:29:35,105 --> 00:29:39,445
He went, he notified her and told her that her dog did that.

628
00:29:41,865 --> 00:29:44,685
And she claimed she didn't know that.

629
00:29:45,245 --> 00:29:46,885
I don't know whether she didn't know he was out

630
00:29:46,945 --> 00:29:48,525
or she didn't know that he did it.

631
00:29:50,665 --> 00:29:55,645
But neither Patricia or Dale have heard from her.

632
00:29:56,185 --> 00:29:59,245
So the sheriff said they would have to sue civilly

633
00:29:59,905 --> 00:30:04,165
to get back that, you know, the money for

634
00:30:04,735 --> 00:30:06,645
those, those animals.

635
00:30:08,905 --> 00:30:13,435
So as a

636
00:30:13,435 --> 00:30:17,625
neighborhood, I think they're getting

637
00:30:18,575 --> 00:30:20,345
more tired of this.

638
00:30:20,525 --> 00:30:23,625
And now this is the second time

639
00:30:23,695 --> 00:30:28,385
that specific dog has been out the, she's up to,

640
00:30:28,645 --> 00:30:30,825
so in August of last year

641
00:30:30,825 --> 00:30:33,665
after the last hearing, it was a $500 ticket.

642
00:30:35,575 --> 00:30:37,345
It's another $500 ticket,

643
00:30:39,515 --> 00:30:41,305
which I, I did send.

644
00:30:43,605 --> 00:30:47,425
And I think we have

645
00:30:47,425 --> 00:30:49,345
to figure out something for that.

646
00:30:49,605 --> 00:30:51,545
For, I, I think the meeting has to be twofold.

647
00:30:52,085 --> 00:30:54,025
We have to figure out something to do about

648
00:30:54,025 --> 00:30:55,105
that specific dog

649
00:30:55,105 --> 00:30:57,625
because it's clear that she can't contain it.

650
00:30:58,405 --> 00:31:00,945
And when it gets out, it causes a lot of damage.

651
00:31:01,285 --> 00:31:03,905
The first time it got out, it went the other direction.

652
00:31:04,525 --> 00:31:07,265
So it turned left and ended up on Hebert Road

653
00:31:08,125 --> 00:31:10,065
and somebody with two small children found it.

654
00:31:10,065 --> 00:31:12,865
They sent me a picture of their kids like hugging it,

655
00:31:14,275 --> 00:31:16,305
which could have ended horribly.

656
00:31:18,645 --> 00:31:23,305
And this time when it got out, it, it went to

657
00:31:23,455 --> 00:31:26,305
that direction and went in the barn in the coops.

658
00:31:26,365 --> 00:31:28,465
It, it's not like they were free roaming.

659
00:31:32,005 --> 00:31:35,265
So, and then I also think something needs to be addressed

660
00:31:35,285 --> 00:31:38,705
as far as the continuous dog trying loose,

661
00:31:40,245 --> 00:31:41,705
not just that specific dog,

662
00:31:42,085 --> 00:31:46,505
but whether we come up with a, a plan

663
00:31:46,755 --> 00:31:51,105
where dogs, her dogs need

664
00:31:51,105 --> 00:31:55,375
to be on leash or I mean the, I, I don't know,

665
00:31:56,195 --> 00:32:00,655
but specifically this dog is the priority

666
00:32:00,655 --> 00:32:03,295
because if it gets out again, I can tell you right

667
00:32:03,295 --> 00:32:06,455
where it's going because it had a field day.

668
00:32:08,755 --> 00:32:09,975
You know, it didn't eat them.

669
00:32:11,515 --> 00:32:14,975
It just mangled them, mangled them all, you know.

670
00:32:17,795 --> 00:32:21,775
So, and, and clearly money is not a deterrent.

671
00:32:22,335 --> 00:32:26,495
I mean, has she been paying the fines? That I don't know.

672
00:32:26,935 --> 00:32:31,415
'cause that goes, it goes to the state. I don't know.

673
00:32:32,055 --> 00:32:36,175
I assume so. Or, or at least she's not fighting the ticket.

674
00:32:36,495 --> 00:32:38,695
'cause I would be, I believe I'd be notified of that.

675
00:32:38,935 --> 00:32:39,965
'cause I would've to go to court.

676
00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:41,885
The fines go to the state.

677
00:32:42,635 --> 00:32:46,805
Well, they're sent to White River is

678
00:32:46,805 --> 00:32:48,685
where Oh, it gets sent to.

679
00:32:49,075 --> 00:32:52,685
Okay. So I don't, I don't know how it's divvied up

680
00:32:53,145 --> 00:32:56,525
or what, you know how that goes.

681
00:32:56,765 --> 00:32:59,605
I don't know. But I can't go higher than 500

682
00:33:01,795 --> 00:33:03,045
with the municipal tickets.

683
00:33:03,325 --> 00:33:04,365
I, I read the ordinance.

684
00:33:07,045 --> 00:33:09,805
I, it was a few weeks back I had to run across.

685
00:33:09,805 --> 00:33:11,845
George Contour said, he said that they were going up there

686
00:33:11,845 --> 00:33:12,845
to round up some dogs,

687
00:33:12,905 --> 00:33:15,525
but the state was gonna allow her to keep 40 of 'em.

688
00:33:16,085 --> 00:33:17,605
She's allowed to keep, so the,

689
00:33:17,705 --> 00:33:21,525
so the state allowed 49 dogs.

690
00:33:21,525 --> 00:33:25,125
49, 12 cats. 11 chickens. So

691
00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:27,725
She's got chickens here, dog eat, eating those.

692
00:33:28,625 --> 00:33:31,965
She has an electric that surround hers.

693
00:33:33,945 --> 00:33:36,965
And I, I do think some in the times

694
00:33:37,195 --> 00:33:41,845
that she's had the chickens, probably some have been caught.

695
00:33:42,145 --> 00:33:43,925
And then, well I know that for a fact. Yeah.

696
00:33:44,755 --> 00:33:48,045
That hers have been caught. Yeah. Okay. And killed by dogs.

697
00:33:48,195 --> 00:33:50,845
Dogs, okay. And then she just replenishes 'em, I guess.

698
00:33:50,965 --> 00:33:53,205
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know.

699
00:33:53,825 --> 00:33:58,485
But as you know, this dog's on video.

700
00:34:00,155 --> 00:34:03,405
There's no, you know, denying who it is.

701
00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:06,045
You can, you can see it clear as day in the video

702
00:34:06,785 --> 00:34:08,405
and you can see it walking into the cou.

703
00:34:11,065 --> 00:34:15,965
So I think, I mean I, I can let the neighbors talk as far

704
00:34:15,965 --> 00:34:19,205
as what their comfort level is with that dog loose

705
00:34:19,875 --> 00:34:20,885
that specific dog.

706
00:34:23,545 --> 00:34:25,245
You know, I don't know if, yeah,

707
00:34:25,285 --> 00:34:29,245
I mean I I mean I have it on my camera hours before.

708
00:34:29,365 --> 00:34:32,525
I think it was on your, it, it like stalked my property

709
00:34:32,545 --> 00:34:34,885
for 45 minutes in the front yard, back and forth.

710
00:34:35,815 --> 00:34:38,605
There is a chance it injured one of my pigs.

711
00:34:38,605 --> 00:34:39,965
But I do not have a camera in the back.

712
00:34:41,165 --> 00:34:42,645
'cause it was on my property a long time.

713
00:34:44,145 --> 00:34:45,645
But I don't, I don't have a camera back there.

714
00:34:46,645 --> 00:34:50,165
This particular dog she has told me, this was

715
00:34:50,685 --> 00:34:53,165
probably two years ago, she told me that if I ever saw

716
00:34:53,165 --> 00:34:54,645
that dog, that it's very dangerous.

717
00:34:54,825 --> 00:34:57,845
And so the fact that it's fine for her to just have it,

718
00:34:57,915 --> 00:34:59,485
that she can't contain it.

719
00:34:59,835 --> 00:35:02,285
It's out for hours. She doesn't even go looking

720
00:35:02,345 --> 00:35:03,885
for it is super concerning

721
00:35:03,885 --> 00:35:08,245
because she has admitted to me to be worried as a person.

722
00:35:09,225 --> 00:35:11,365
Not, you know, forget my animals, that

723
00:35:11,385 --> 00:35:13,365
as a person I should be worried about this dog.

724
00:35:15,965 --> 00:35:18,165
I mean, she wouldn't have had to drive very far to find it.

725
00:35:18,305 --> 00:35:19,325
It was Right. Yeah.

726
00:35:19,665 --> 00:35:22,245
I'm less than, I'm like less than, I'm not very far.

727
00:35:22,465 --> 00:35:26,005
And I mean, on Dale's camera it's milling around in

728
00:35:26,005 --> 00:35:27,725
that yard for hours.

729
00:35:28,155 --> 00:35:29,565
Yeah, he's, he's right off the road.

730
00:35:29,945 --> 00:35:32,205
So if, if she had driven down to the end

731
00:35:32,205 --> 00:35:33,565
of the road, she would've seen it.

732
00:35:33,845 --> 00:35:36,845
I mean caught it. Yeah.

733
00:35:36,925 --> 00:35:38,645
I didn't see Cam like I didn't on the cameras,

734
00:35:38,885 --> 00:35:42,085
I didn't see like, I didn't catch like anything

735
00:35:42,085 --> 00:35:43,245
look, anything going by.

736
00:35:43,345 --> 00:35:46,725
But I think that's the biggest worry is that, I mean,

737
00:35:46,725 --> 00:35:48,525
even forget all the other issues there,

738
00:35:48,635 --> 00:35:51,565
like this dog she has admitted is dangerous.

739
00:35:51,705 --> 00:35:53,205
She cannot contain him

740
00:35:56,385 --> 00:35:57,405
and doesn't care to

741
00:35:58,195 --> 00:36:00,285
This the same dog that we had an issue with

742
00:36:00,285 --> 00:36:01,845
Before. That's a different dog.

743
00:36:02,315 --> 00:36:04,405
Okay. So that dog also, you

744
00:36:04,405 --> 00:36:07,205
Got 49 in Probably 49 that we know of

745
00:36:07,235 --> 00:36:08,405
that we're seen that day.

746
00:36:08,585 --> 00:36:11,965
So four. Have any more been licensed? No. Okay.

747
00:36:11,965 --> 00:36:13,925
So there's 44 licensed.

748
00:36:14,435 --> 00:36:17,125
When the state went there with the sheriff,

749
00:36:17,735 --> 00:36:22,205
which was I think two weeks ago, she did, she would not,

750
00:36:22,265 --> 00:36:25,805
she was not willing to give any to the state, like

751
00:36:25,805 --> 00:36:29,805
to have them put any at any other shelters.

752
00:36:29,825 --> 00:36:33,605
But there were five additional dogs that were not registered

753
00:36:33,955 --> 00:36:36,245
that they told her needed to be registered.

754
00:36:37,205 --> 00:36:38,485
I don't know how long they gave her.

755
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:45,525
And so there, I know there's,

756
00:36:45,795 --> 00:36:47,525
well at least that's what she showed them.

757
00:36:47,535 --> 00:36:49,445
49 odds minimum.

758
00:36:53,705 --> 00:36:55,445
But so yeah.

759
00:36:55,505 --> 00:36:58,045
So I, the white husky is the one

760
00:36:58,065 --> 00:37:02,365
before that we met on who got out and went after the Guinea.

761
00:37:02,465 --> 00:37:04,605
Hes, but I don't think he got any, no.

762
00:37:04,605 --> 00:37:05,765
And it, that time it went

763
00:37:05,765 --> 00:37:07,885
After my friend's dog right on my

764
00:37:08,125 --> 00:37:09,605
Property. That dog I've not seen,

765
00:37:10,195 --> 00:37:11,195
I've never seen it before.

766
00:37:11,995 --> 00:37:13,085
What I, I dunno.

767
00:37:13,085 --> 00:37:16,205
That dog, what I have picked up since that meeting

768
00:37:19,945 --> 00:37:23,845
is the aita, twice the beagle, there was a beagle loose

769
00:37:23,845 --> 00:37:25,325
that went up to the human society

770
00:37:25,675 --> 00:37:27,765
that then ended up being hers.

771
00:37:28,655 --> 00:37:32,485
She's still missing a dog that was never found.

772
00:37:34,345 --> 00:37:36,085
That's some sort of small beagle mix.

773
00:37:38,945 --> 00:37:40,605
So I, I mean they're still running,

774
00:37:41,065 --> 00:37:42,485
you know, all over the place.

775
00:37:44,385 --> 00:37:47,365
So when the state went, she wasn't willing

776
00:37:47,365 --> 00:37:49,925
to give any to them.

777
00:37:53,585 --> 00:37:55,525
But I don't know if you want her to say anything about

778
00:37:55,525 --> 00:37:59,805
Well, I mean it's, it's a big, you know, it's,

779
00:38:00,625 --> 00:38:02,805
to me it's, it is a concern.

780
00:38:05,445 --> 00:38:08,485
I don't, I can't imagine what she's living in,

781
00:38:09,945 --> 00:38:11,845
let alone the dogs are there too.

782
00:38:12,065 --> 00:38:14,525
But for me, I

783
00:38:16,835 --> 00:38:20,895
am am worried on my own property that

784
00:38:21,005 --> 00:38:25,015
that dog especially is gonna come onto my property.

785
00:38:25,635 --> 00:38:28,895
Either bite me, attack my, I have a little dog,

786
00:38:30,275 --> 00:38:32,775
he stays right on my, my lawn

787
00:38:32,775 --> 00:38:35,015
and I usually have him in the back fenced in area.

788
00:38:35,305 --> 00:38:39,045
But you know, I have guineas, I have chickens

789
00:38:39,585 --> 00:38:43,295
and I shouldn't have to live in fear

790
00:38:43,695 --> 00:38:46,415
'cause she can't control her animals.

791
00:38:46,725 --> 00:38:51,035
There's too many animals. And I mean, I don't know.

792
00:38:51,515 --> 00:38:53,355
I don't have anything. Let's just say

793
00:38:53,395 --> 00:38:54,715
I don't have anything against it.

794
00:38:54,715 --> 00:38:58,035
This isn't about her. This is about the dog.

795
00:38:59,595 --> 00:39:02,595
I don't want it near me. I don't want it loose.

796
00:39:03,595 --> 00:39:06,075
I honestly, and I'm now, I'm a lover.

797
00:39:06,235 --> 00:39:09,115
I honestly feel like that dog should probably be euthanized

798
00:39:11,385 --> 00:39:14,835
because of such a danger that she's admitted.

799
00:39:16,015 --> 00:39:20,355
And I dunno what we could do about any of this.

800
00:39:20,535 --> 00:39:22,475
But Chris,

801
00:39:23,515 --> 00:39:25,555
I just, I I'm a dog owner of course.

802
00:39:25,615 --> 00:39:26,875
And, and we've had a couple

803
00:39:27,395 --> 00:39:29,675
chickens killed in our neighborhood up on the hill

804
00:39:29,975 --> 00:39:31,355
by other dogs in the neighborhood.

805
00:39:32,015 --> 00:39:34,695
The what what we, what we,

806
00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:37,335
and there, there are certain breeds.

807
00:39:37,395 --> 00:39:38,495
It doesn't matter who's they are

808
00:39:38,495 --> 00:39:39,735
because it doesn't, we don't need

809
00:39:39,735 --> 00:39:41,055
to bring other people that matter into this.

810
00:39:41,915 --> 00:39:44,215
The Akita, what matters here is the state went

811
00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:48,055
and inspected a, a helm, what we all know, which home it is.

812
00:39:48,235 --> 00:39:50,015
We all have a major issue with it.

813
00:39:50,435 --> 00:39:53,495
But the state has laws, they,

814
00:39:53,955 --> 00:39:56,975
the Orange County sheriffs we hire have already told these

815
00:39:56,975 --> 00:39:58,215
people that it's a civil matter.

816
00:39:59,175 --> 00:40:00,695
I don't know what the board's authority is.

817
00:40:00,695 --> 00:40:02,375
And I hate to say this because I know

818
00:40:02,375 --> 00:40:05,015
what I would do if my animals were killed by another.

819
00:40:05,395 --> 00:40:07,055
But the simple fact is, is

820
00:40:07,055 --> 00:40:09,135
that everybody's dog seems like lately

821
00:40:09,915 --> 00:40:11,415
has been getting off leash.

822
00:40:11,475 --> 00:40:14,615
We have one in town that has been, and I, I love the woman.

823
00:40:14,665 --> 00:40:17,135
She's a very good friend of mine. But her dog gets off.

824
00:40:17,135 --> 00:40:20,335
Stella gets off it seems like almost a daily basis

825
00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:21,935
if these people have paid,

826
00:40:21,935 --> 00:40:24,735
if this woman has paid her $500 fine, which is

827
00:40:24,735 --> 00:40:27,295
what was written, maxed out and paid it twice.

828
00:40:28,075 --> 00:40:30,735
If Nikita has no human interaction

829
00:40:30,755 --> 00:40:34,135
or has has hurt another human being,

830
00:40:34,205 --> 00:40:36,495
then euthanization is, is not word.

831
00:40:36,495 --> 00:40:38,615
Because there's a lot of dangerous breeds in this town.

832
00:40:39,075 --> 00:40:43,535
Pit bulls, nikitas, even my, my Jack Russell, he's,

833
00:40:43,565 --> 00:40:44,975
he's a little son of a gun.

834
00:40:45,605 --> 00:40:48,775
He's bit my mother. But we, we have a lot of

835
00:40:49,285 --> 00:40:50,375
animals in this town.

836
00:40:50,775 --> 00:40:54,135
Euthanization is such a strong word. It killed her chickens.

837
00:40:54,205 --> 00:40:58,495
That is a civil matter. It did not bite a human being.

838
00:40:58,515 --> 00:40:59,575
It did not bite the kids.

839
00:41:00,085 --> 00:41:03,175
It's actually been stated that a kid's had their their

840
00:41:03,205 --> 00:41:04,295
arms around this thing.

841
00:41:04,755 --> 00:41:07,095
Unless Akita has had human interaction.

842
00:41:07,095 --> 00:41:09,135
What's bit a human, I don't know if the

843
00:41:09,135 --> 00:41:10,175
select board even has any,

844
00:41:10,645 --> 00:41:15,095
They they do Any if, if I think it has, if it has

845
00:41:15,675 --> 00:41:16,935
bitten a human.

846
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:19,055
I mean, I don't think any of us,

847
00:41:19,455 --> 00:41:20,975
I don't think any of us might.

848
00:41:21,175 --> 00:41:22,415
I have a wine Rainer

849
00:41:23,275 --> 00:41:26,015
and I would guess that if my winery gets out,

850
00:41:26,185 --> 00:41:29,855
which she's very well acted, but if she got out

851
00:41:30,235 --> 00:41:32,415
and my neighbors Guinea s were out,

852
00:41:32,715 --> 00:41:34,165
she might attack one of the Guineans.

853
00:41:34,265 --> 00:41:35,845
And then I take the ramification civil,

854
00:41:36,035 --> 00:41:37,605
whether I get a $500 fine

855
00:41:37,605 --> 00:41:38,805
and then I have to pay my neighbors

856
00:41:38,805 --> 00:41:39,925
for restitution for the chicken.

857
00:41:41,315 --> 00:41:43,245
That seems like it's a civil matter,

858
00:41:43,425 --> 00:41:45,205
not a euthanization matter. It's

859
00:41:45,205 --> 00:41:46,805
The, well, I don't think that the board can,

860
00:41:46,985 --> 00:41:49,325
the board may not be able to say the dog needs feet. Right.

861
00:41:49,465 --> 00:41:50,725
But it just seems that those words

862
00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:51,765
that are being used seem,

863
00:41:51,835 --> 00:41:53,645
seem pretty severe when we have

864
00:41:53,685 --> 00:41:55,005
hundreds of dogs in this town.

865
00:41:55,155 --> 00:41:56,285
Well, if a dog is,

866
00:41:56,345 --> 00:41:57,885
and many dangerous breeds dangerous,

867
00:41:58,475 --> 00:42:00,525
what do they do at the Humane Society?

868
00:42:00,905 --> 00:42:04,885
Who said it's dangerous? Sheila has, okay. Is she here?

869
00:42:05,065 --> 00:42:07,285
She didn't. Right. Hearsay.

870
00:42:07,285 --> 00:42:08,805
It's hearsay. Chairman. It's hearsay.

871
00:42:09,145 --> 00:42:11,765
You guys talk, Right? Sorry, what? It's what?

872
00:42:11,765 --> 00:42:14,965
It's hearsay. Chris said, Larry said,

873
00:42:15,585 --> 00:42:17,685
who said she's not here to defend herself.

874
00:42:17,685 --> 00:42:19,965
Everybody says that Sheila said the dog's dangerous.

875
00:42:21,265 --> 00:42:22,565
She was aware of the hearing, right?

876
00:42:23,355 --> 00:42:25,405
Yeah. I sent her a certified letter. Right.

877
00:42:25,625 --> 00:42:29,685
But, but neither if she's here or at the meeting or not.

878
00:42:30,395 --> 00:42:33,645
It's, it is some very, I have dogs I understand.

879
00:42:34,145 --> 00:42:38,285
But it is very, this hits home with your animals.

880
00:42:38,985 --> 00:42:41,165
And I get that somebody lost a lot of chickens.

881
00:42:43,085 --> 00:42:45,585
But that doesn't mean that the dog needs to be put down.

882
00:42:46,045 --> 00:42:50,065
I'm a huge, a huge proponent for live kennels.

883
00:42:50,885 --> 00:42:53,465
Not death kennels. I'm a huge proponent

884
00:42:53,485 --> 00:42:55,025
for if we have a dangerous dog,

885
00:42:56,895 --> 00:42:59,945
then let's find a solution, a better house for it

886
00:42:59,945 --> 00:43:01,025
or a better area.

887
00:43:01,245 --> 00:43:03,385
But if the state and the Orange County Sheriffs have been

888
00:43:03,385 --> 00:43:07,985
there and they allowed her to keep 49 dogs, it's ludicrous.

889
00:43:08,165 --> 00:43:11,145
We all think the law is ludicrous, especially there. Right.

890
00:43:11,245 --> 00:43:13,145
But the reality is, is that they've been there.

891
00:43:13,655 --> 00:43:15,545
They let her keep the dogs, they let her keep the cats,

892
00:43:15,545 --> 00:43:17,425
they let her keep the chickens, they let her keep the pigs

893
00:43:17,425 --> 00:43:19,625
till when we finally found the pigs that were about dead.

894
00:43:20,125 --> 00:43:21,785
We all know the story, but the state

895
00:43:21,785 --> 00:43:23,265
and the Orange County Sheriff's been there.

896
00:43:25,035 --> 00:43:26,575
It it's going to be, it is.

897
00:43:27,095 --> 00:43:29,735
I think you're gonna find, even if we went to VSP and and

898
00:43:29,795 --> 00:43:31,095
and went to our town attorney

899
00:43:31,095 --> 00:43:33,615
and spent the money, we're still gonna find out it's a civil

900
00:43:33,615 --> 00:43:36,855
matter until somebody's bit.

901
00:43:36,855 --> 00:43:38,495
And I I agree it's too late at that point.

902
00:43:38,495 --> 00:43:39,495
But the state and the

903
00:43:39,495 --> 00:43:40,575
Orange County Sheriffs have been there.

904
00:43:41,155 --> 00:43:43,415
We, we haven't made any decision yet. Cody.

905
00:43:44,915 --> 00:43:48,295
So we, we do have in the policy there,

906
00:43:48,295 --> 00:43:50,855
there is another step we can take if you want to

907
00:43:51,435 --> 00:43:52,435
Expand on that.

908
00:43:52,435 --> 00:43:53,815
Sure. So Sarah Buxton town attorney.

909
00:43:54,195 --> 00:43:57,215
My firm represents the town here on a different matter.

910
00:43:57,215 --> 00:43:58,575
But as we were getting prepped,

911
00:43:58,855 --> 00:44:00,855
I did review your own town policy

912
00:44:01,075 --> 00:44:03,495
and I'll give you just some background on

913
00:44:03,495 --> 00:44:05,375
what power the select board does have.

914
00:44:05,915 --> 00:44:07,575
And sir, you're right. In many cases

915
00:44:08,465 --> 00:44:09,735
towns have very little power.

916
00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:12,215
You only have the power. The state gives you the power.

917
00:44:12,605 --> 00:44:14,655
This is one of just a handful of places

918
00:44:14,785 --> 00:44:16,935
where you have more power than Vermont State Police

919
00:44:17,155 --> 00:44:18,735
and Sheriffs.

920
00:44:19,265 --> 00:44:21,855
Where the legislature has said it's up to the town,

921
00:44:22,205 --> 00:44:24,775
they give you some guardrails so that it's up to a town

922
00:44:25,395 --> 00:44:28,535
to pass these policies for animal control.

923
00:44:29,235 --> 00:44:32,085
And in your policy, as I think Cody, you're just kind

924
00:44:32,085 --> 00:44:35,885
of reading through passed in 2016,

925
00:44:38,145 --> 00:44:40,325
you set some of the guardrails.

926
00:44:41,025 --> 00:44:44,405
One is you set your fines and your fees

927
00:44:44,625 --> 00:44:47,005
and apparently you are enforcing to that extent.

928
00:44:48,025 --> 00:44:49,725
If you don't know that you're being paid,

929
00:44:49,725 --> 00:44:51,045
that money needs to come back to you.

930
00:44:51,065 --> 00:44:52,485
So I can help you follow up

931
00:44:52,485 --> 00:44:54,685
to make sure the town is getting its minus

932
00:44:54,685 --> 00:44:56,285
administrative expense that you're getting.

933
00:44:56,305 --> 00:44:59,605
It. Additionally, when there's a hearing,

934
00:44:59,605 --> 00:45:01,965
when the person has been duly notified

935
00:45:01,985 --> 00:45:04,765
as the statute requires you to do, they come up

936
00:45:04,765 --> 00:45:06,605
and they can say their side of the story.

937
00:45:07,225 --> 00:45:09,845
And if they don't come, they waive that. Right.

938
00:45:11,225 --> 00:45:12,845
So if this person was notified to come

939
00:45:12,845 --> 00:45:13,965
and speak in their own defense

940
00:45:13,965 --> 00:45:15,405
and give you the other side of the story,

941
00:45:15,555 --> 00:45:17,165
they have an opportunity to do that.

942
00:45:18,825 --> 00:45:22,285
You can look at other circumstances and other damages.

943
00:45:22,945 --> 00:45:26,485
So you, in your policy you say the owner

944
00:45:27,545 --> 00:45:30,765
is responsible, all costs associated with the management

945
00:45:30,765 --> 00:45:33,685
of the biting animal shall be born by the owner.

946
00:45:34,745 --> 00:45:38,445
So to some reasonable extent, this is not an area

947
00:45:38,445 --> 00:45:39,605
that's heavily litigated.

948
00:45:40,065 --> 00:45:42,765
So I would just caution you to be reasonable in assessing

949
00:45:42,765 --> 00:45:45,885
what beyond the fines you would wanna assess.

950
00:45:45,985 --> 00:45:49,005
But I could see damages if there were medical expenses, if,

951
00:45:49,025 --> 00:45:51,205
if there were humans at, at play here.

952
00:45:51,205 --> 00:45:52,965
And you could take that into consideration.

953
00:45:54,095 --> 00:45:56,605
Those fines can be found

954
00:45:56,825 --> 00:45:59,125
and you know, you can order the payment

955
00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:00,365
of those, those fines.

956
00:46:01,185 --> 00:46:03,565
And if got, if they go unpaid, you can have

957
00:46:03,765 --> 00:46:04,845
that enforced by a court.

958
00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:09,245
Additionally, you can have an animal

959
00:46:09,335 --> 00:46:12,525
after such a hearing, you can have an animal impounded.

960
00:46:13,465 --> 00:46:17,405
And in your policy it says an incident of attack

961
00:46:17,505 --> 00:46:18,605
or mulling of a person

962
00:46:19,105 --> 00:46:21,165
or repeat occurrences

963
00:46:21,165 --> 00:46:25,285
of any bite attack shall result in the animal being disposed

964
00:46:25,285 --> 00:46:26,525
of in a humane way.

965
00:46:27,385 --> 00:46:29,885
The reason you have to go through this as a,

966
00:46:29,945 --> 00:46:32,085
as an ordinance rather than just a policy,

967
00:46:32,705 --> 00:46:35,485
is it has greater effect because there are consequences.

968
00:46:35,595 --> 00:46:38,445
Very serious ones as this gentleman is, is pointing out.

969
00:46:38,985 --> 00:46:41,085
But so long as you follow your policy,

970
00:46:41,185 --> 00:46:42,965
you've had the opportunity for a hearing

971
00:46:43,345 --> 00:46:46,485
and you apply this ordinance consist consistently.

972
00:46:47,115 --> 00:46:49,405
Some of the things you can do tonight are

973
00:46:52,745 --> 00:46:54,725
ask for further tickets to be issued.

974
00:46:55,505 --> 00:46:57,005
You can have one

975
00:46:57,005 --> 00:47:00,245
or more of the animals upon your own finding of cause

976
00:47:00,825 --> 00:47:03,845
be impounded until such fines are all paid

977
00:47:04,385 --> 00:47:05,725
and including damages.

978
00:47:06,785 --> 00:47:11,525
And you can go as far as if you find it to be

979
00:47:12,315 --> 00:47:16,525
necessary, you can order for the animal to be disposed

980
00:47:16,525 --> 00:47:17,725
of in inhumane way.

981
00:47:18,545 --> 00:47:22,365
The process, depending on what you choose, the process

982
00:47:22,505 --> 00:47:26,525
by which that happens might need a little further research.

983
00:47:26,555 --> 00:47:31,205
Like who holds the pet, where are they held for how long.

984
00:47:32,745 --> 00:47:35,965
It may be a multi-step process that the select board goes

985
00:47:35,965 --> 00:47:38,685
through starting tonight with some of your initial findings.

986
00:47:39,105 --> 00:47:40,245
But I just wanted you to know

987
00:47:40,245 --> 00:47:42,765
that you do have more power than you normally would have.

988
00:47:43,785 --> 00:47:47,765
And that's typically where, especially the Orange County

989
00:47:47,905 --> 00:47:52,285
and other county sheriffs feel like their hands are tied is

990
00:47:52,285 --> 00:47:54,085
because municipalities have this power

991
00:47:54,105 --> 00:47:55,885
but they don't typically exercise it.

992
00:47:56,585 --> 00:47:58,445
So you can, you have a policy,

993
00:47:58,765 --> 00:48:00,405
I would recommend maybe you update it

994
00:48:00,405 --> 00:48:01,925
because the laws have changed

995
00:48:01,985 --> 00:48:04,045
and you have some greater powers over the last,

996
00:48:04,545 --> 00:48:05,685
you know, four or five years.

997
00:48:06,305 --> 00:48:08,965
But at least as it is, as it exists on the books,

998
00:48:09,385 --> 00:48:11,645
you've done what you've needed to do to lay the groundwork

999
00:48:11,745 --> 00:48:13,205
for your decision making.

1000
00:48:14,145 --> 00:48:17,285
Is there, in that policy, is there a provision

1001
00:48:17,285 --> 00:48:19,125
to cover the cost of owing a dog?

1002
00:48:19,185 --> 00:48:22,045
Yes. So it's just pay that longer, longer the farming

1003
00:48:22,145 --> 00:48:24,845
and longer restitution to the property owners.

1004
00:48:25,475 --> 00:48:28,365
What damages It says that you have the power to assess

1005
00:48:28,755 --> 00:48:31,645
what beyond the fines would be reasonable so

1006
00:48:31,645 --> 00:48:32,765
that you can, so

1007
00:48:32,765 --> 00:48:34,765
We could, we could include their damages

1008
00:48:35,005 --> 00:48:36,005
I, yes.

1009
00:48:36,005 --> 00:48:38,005
To make all, and it, it refers to all parties.

1010
00:48:38,625 --> 00:48:41,205
So that's why when I was reading it carefully to make sure

1011
00:48:41,205 --> 00:48:45,325
that you could, you could put yourselves

1012
00:48:45,625 --> 00:48:47,165
or you could consider the shoes

1013
00:48:47,345 --> 00:48:49,765
of the other affected victim.

1014
00:48:50,545 --> 00:48:52,125
It appears that you've already set the,

1015
00:48:52,125 --> 00:48:54,525
in your own ordinance that you can consider that.

1016
00:48:56,915 --> 00:48:58,075
I have a question 'cause I looked it

1017
00:48:58,075 --> 00:48:59,235
up and you're an attorney.

1018
00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:03,955
VSA 2035.

1019
00:49:03,955 --> 00:49:07,595
45 A right to kill domestic pet or wolf hybrids generally.

1020
00:49:08,615 --> 00:49:11,395
So this is state law. Yep.

1021
00:49:12,545 --> 00:49:14,275
Section B says, A domestic pet

1022
00:49:14,275 --> 00:49:15,755
or wolf hybrid found wounding killing

1023
00:49:15,775 --> 00:49:17,395
or worrying another domestic pet

1024
00:49:17,395 --> 00:49:19,675
or wolf hybrid, a domestic animal or foul.

1025
00:49:19,675 --> 00:49:23,755
And I Googled foul. Those are chickens are considered foul.

1026
00:49:24,035 --> 00:49:25,555
I mean maybe not Google.

1027
00:49:25,555 --> 00:49:27,355
Legally they are considered foul,

1028
00:49:28,325 --> 00:49:31,355
maybe killed when the attendance circumstances are such

1029
00:49:31,355 --> 00:49:33,555
that the killing is reasonably necessary to prevent injury

1030
00:49:33,555 --> 00:49:35,155
to the animal or foul.

1031
00:49:35,155 --> 00:49:38,115
That is subject to, is the subject of the attack. Yes.

1032
00:49:38,935 --> 00:49:40,355
So that is state statute.

1033
00:49:40,465 --> 00:49:43,075
That has nothing to do with our personal town.

1034
00:49:43,775 --> 00:49:46,675
That's why I printed it. 'cause I was gonna question that.

1035
00:49:48,535 --> 00:49:51,875
And we did have, and I was part of it, of

1036
00:49:52,715 --> 00:49:56,075
a public committee to update the policies

1037
00:49:56,075 --> 00:49:59,975
and then that the select board kind of disbanded that.

1038
00:50:00,475 --> 00:50:02,535
So we might need to rethink that

1039
00:50:02,535 --> 00:50:06,475
because clearly we still have some,

1040
00:50:07,975 --> 00:50:09,115
Wasn't there an issue

1041
00:50:09,115 --> 00:50:10,995
where the state was changing the laws or something?

1042
00:50:11,015 --> 00:50:13,915
So we Yeah, because somebody had to go to class.

1043
00:50:14,095 --> 00:50:16,155
Was it the state police or was it the,

1044
00:50:17,915 --> 00:50:18,915
Remember?

1045
00:50:19,105 --> 00:50:21,915
Yeah, I think Rodney was telling us about it. Yes.

1046
00:50:21,915 --> 00:50:24,355
Rodney told her one, one of the officers needed

1047
00:50:24,355 --> 00:50:25,795
to go for special training.

1048
00:50:26,095 --> 00:50:27,095
Yes.

1049
00:50:29,185 --> 00:50:29,605
County.

1050
00:50:33,505 --> 00:50:34,525
So, but I'll

1051
00:50:34,525 --> 00:50:35,925
Say I do have Sensitivity.

1052
00:50:35,925 --> 00:50:37,045
You're right with that law.

1053
00:50:37,745 --> 00:50:39,645
And then it comes down to,

1054
00:50:39,845 --> 00:50:41,085
'cause there's, there's more in that section

1055
00:50:41,545 --> 00:50:42,565
who can enforce it?

1056
00:50:43,065 --> 00:50:45,285
And I think that's where the sheriff's department,

1057
00:50:46,145 --> 00:50:48,725
the legislature didn't say it's a,

1058
00:50:48,865 --> 00:50:51,325
it exists in the criminal statute for

1059
00:50:52,985 --> 00:50:54,645
the enforcement power at that level.

1060
00:50:55,145 --> 00:50:57,005
But if you go through at this local level,

1061
00:50:57,015 --> 00:50:59,605
which requires a hearing, you know, notice

1062
00:50:59,625 --> 00:51:03,165
and opportunity to be heard, you know,

1063
00:51:03,325 --> 00:51:06,565
neutral parties, I'm assuming you're all neutral

1064
00:51:06,565 --> 00:51:07,565
and none of you own the dog

1065
00:51:07,565 --> 00:51:10,165
or have been affected by neutral parties to, to act

1066
00:51:10,165 --> 00:51:13,765
as impartial adjudicators in this instance.

1067
00:51:14,585 --> 00:51:17,445
And, you know, weigh, weigh the claims.

1068
00:51:18,025 --> 00:51:20,405
So as long as that process is in place, that's kind

1069
00:51:20,405 --> 00:51:23,685
of the local substitute for what can be very personal,

1070
00:51:23,915 --> 00:51:27,125
very difficult issues, it falls in your lap.

1071
00:51:30,845 --> 00:51:31,945
Can I say something? Sure.

1072
00:51:32,845 --> 00:51:37,145
So when Patricia and I met yesterday and met, and Erin

1073
00:51:37,145 --> 00:51:41,505
and I spoke today to see if, if what the neighborhood could,

1074
00:51:42,925 --> 00:51:46,905
you know, be content with, with

1075
00:51:47,425 --> 00:51:48,905
removing the dog from the neighborhood,

1076
00:51:48,965 --> 00:51:53,745
but not necessarily having a select board say the dog

1077
00:51:53,745 --> 00:51:54,825
needs to be euthanized.

1078
00:51:55,885 --> 00:51:57,985
The dog does have a bite history.

1079
00:52:00,365 --> 00:52:01,945
It has bitten a human before,

1080
00:52:03,045 --> 00:52:04,705
before it ended up in her care.

1081
00:52:06,505 --> 00:52:08,105
I I do know that firsthand,

1082
00:52:10,285 --> 00:52:13,305
but it wasn't in her care when that happened.

1083
00:52:16,205 --> 00:52:18,825
So we were thinking, you know,

1084
00:52:20,605 --> 00:52:21,825
if the select board feels

1085
00:52:21,935 --> 00:52:25,065
that the dog shouldn't reside in Williamstown,

1086
00:52:25,195 --> 00:52:29,585
could it be evaluated by the central Vermont Humane Society

1087
00:52:29,925 --> 00:52:33,105
or another, you know, non-biased,

1088
00:52:34,375 --> 00:52:35,465
reputable rescue

1089
00:52:37,805 --> 00:52:40,625
to determine if it is a candidate for adoption.

1090
00:52:42,125 --> 00:52:43,505
And if they say yes,

1091
00:52:43,735 --> 00:52:47,025
they think it can be adopted into another home, then

1092
00:52:48,955 --> 00:52:51,055
you know, she can sign it over

1093
00:52:51,115 --> 00:52:53,055
to whoever is willing to rehome it.

1094
00:52:53,115 --> 00:52:55,975
It just can't be re-homed in Williamstown.

1095
00:52:56,635 --> 00:53:00,055
And then we would need proof where it went so

1096
00:53:00,055 --> 00:53:01,855
that the animal control officer in

1097
00:53:01,855 --> 00:53:05,815
that town can be contacted to make them aware of

1098
00:53:06,245 --> 00:53:07,375
what had happened here.

1099
00:53:10,775 --> 00:53:13,575
I think based on my interactions

1100
00:53:13,835 --> 00:53:18,055
and previous interactions with Sheila, I think

1101
00:53:18,715 --> 00:53:21,375
the select board will need to be very specific in

1102
00:53:21,645 --> 00:53:24,415
what they want to happen

1103
00:53:25,585 --> 00:53:29,805
to this dog versus like a more generic statement of

1104
00:53:30,825 --> 00:53:32,125
remove it from the town.

1105
00:53:34,675 --> 00:53:38,045
Because I think we will need to have some sort of,

1106
00:53:41,265 --> 00:53:43,065
I hate to use the word proof, but some sort

1107
00:53:43,065 --> 00:53:46,705
of like documentation of where it is

1108
00:53:47,645 --> 00:53:49,225
versus just trust.

1109
00:53:51,645 --> 00:53:55,945
And I just don't wanna say I, I said euthanasia not

1110
00:53:55,945 --> 00:53:57,505
because I want it to die,

1111
00:53:58,125 --> 00:54:02,105
but I'm kind of scared that there's no hope for it.

1112
00:54:03,955 --> 00:54:08,315
I feel bad for the dog because it's had a, a crappy life.

1113
00:54:10,615 --> 00:54:14,035
You know what I mean? But sometimes there is no saving.

1114
00:54:15,265 --> 00:54:16,635
Dogs got a pretty good wrap sheet.

1115
00:54:16,675 --> 00:54:18,755
I don't know anybody probably gonna want 'em. Yeah,

1116
00:54:19,115 --> 00:54:20,115
Probably not.

1117
00:54:20,115 --> 00:54:21,955
Well, but it takes, it does take away,

1118
00:54:21,955 --> 00:54:24,355
like you saying you have to euthanize this dog.

1119
00:54:24,355 --> 00:54:29,075
Yeah. It puts it in another like unbiased person is licensed

1120
00:54:29,215 --> 00:54:32,715
to do behavior to say tested it's behavior.

1121
00:54:32,825 --> 00:54:33,915
Yeah. We all know it.

1122
00:54:34,475 --> 00:54:36,275
Probably in our industry it probably will

1123
00:54:36,275 --> 00:54:37,395
not pass said test.

1124
00:54:37,495 --> 00:54:39,915
But then somebody else is saying it needs to be euthanized.

1125
00:54:40,985 --> 00:54:44,195
Kind of takes the heat off of you guys with her potentially.

1126
00:54:44,295 --> 00:54:47,675
But also that is an option to not, you know, to impound it

1127
00:54:47,675 --> 00:54:49,195
and say it needs to be assessed

1128
00:54:49,195 --> 00:54:50,795
that it can live in this world

1129
00:54:51,815 --> 00:54:56,755
and country canine in orange is a, that's where I would

1130
00:54:57,355 --> 00:55:01,035
advocate it would go because she runs a, a tight ship

1131
00:55:01,055 --> 00:55:04,995
and it's a good kennel that can, can definitely

1132
00:55:05,585 --> 00:55:08,075
contain, you know, any dog.

1133
00:55:09,015 --> 00:55:12,755
So the way I'm looking at it is if we take this dog from

1134
00:55:12,755 --> 00:55:14,915
her, she's probably not gonna want

1135
00:55:14,915 --> 00:55:16,075
to pay for the boarding of it.

1136
00:55:16,415 --> 00:55:18,155
So Dylan's gonna be on the hook for it.

1137
00:55:18,855 --> 00:55:21,595
So I think if we do something like that,

1138
00:55:21,655 --> 00:55:23,715
we should set a timeline like maybe 10

1139
00:55:23,715 --> 00:55:24,835
days or something like that.

1140
00:55:26,475 --> 00:55:27,355
'cause they're gonna wanna get paid

1141
00:55:27,355 --> 00:55:28,635
for taking care of the dog. Right.

1142
00:55:28,635 --> 00:55:29,955
Well will she have a choice?

1143
00:55:30,615 --> 00:55:34,715
So if she doesn't pay and you've ordered her to pay you

1144
00:55:34,775 --> 00:55:38,955
and it and it goes up above $800, you could file,

1145
00:55:39,575 --> 00:55:42,515
we were talking about you could file in Orange County Court

1146
00:55:43,135 --> 00:55:44,835
and have the judge order her to pay.

1147
00:55:45,325 --> 00:55:46,515
Right. But what I'm saying,

1148
00:55:46,515 --> 00:55:49,195
if we say we want this dog outta Williamstown Yeah.

1149
00:55:49,215 --> 00:55:50,595
We take it away from her. Yep.

1150
00:55:50,595 --> 00:55:54,675
Sheriff or whoever we tell to do it, she still have

1151
00:55:54,675 --> 00:55:55,875
to pay for boarding that dog.

1152
00:55:56,425 --> 00:55:59,475
Yeah. I mean whether she will

1153
00:55:59,475 --> 00:56:01,995
or not will be, I mean you, you'll know whether

1154
00:56:01,995 --> 00:56:03,515
or not you're gonna have to go to a judge

1155
00:56:03,515 --> 00:56:06,315
and have a judge then order her to pay

1156
00:56:06,535 --> 00:56:08,435
and then when you're, when you don't pay,

1157
00:56:08,625 --> 00:56:10,235
then they're in contempt

1158
00:56:10,375 --> 00:56:13,515
and then you can take actions to take out a, you know,

1159
00:56:13,555 --> 00:56:14,595
a lien against their home.

1160
00:56:14,685 --> 00:56:18,435
There, there, there are steps that, that a court can, tools

1161
00:56:18,435 --> 00:56:21,835
that start a court can use to compel payment

1162
00:56:24,385 --> 00:56:25,525
of fines and fees.

1163
00:56:26,505 --> 00:56:28,045
But it takes a little while

1164
00:56:29,865 --> 00:56:32,925
and you have to have the appetite to, to do that.

1165
00:56:35,365 --> 00:56:39,005
I got a question. Anybody think about

1166
00:56:40,075 --> 00:56:44,795
telling her, Hey, this dog has been a problem, it needs

1167
00:56:44,795 --> 00:56:48,555
to be kept in a chainlink kennel that it cannot escape out

1168
00:56:48,555 --> 00:56:49,875
of like a concrete floor.

1169
00:56:50,535 --> 00:56:52,595
And we've been a roof over it.

1170
00:56:52,685 --> 00:56:54,635
We've been, we've been down there, we've been

1171
00:56:56,615 --> 00:56:57,755
Not With this specific,

1172
00:56:58,215 --> 00:57:00,475
the last hearing she told me her,

1173
00:57:00,475 --> 00:57:03,195
well I guess her lawyer was here for that meeting, said

1174
00:57:03,195 --> 00:57:06,315
that she will never have a dog out of the fencing

1175
00:57:06,535 --> 00:57:09,035
or off of the le again period.

1176
00:57:09,585 --> 00:57:11,795
That was what she said she would do. Oh wow.

1177
00:57:12,015 --> 00:57:15,475
And this dog who like this is the dog we're talking about,

1178
00:57:15,495 --> 00:57:17,755
but there are, I drive by all the time

1179
00:57:17,815 --> 00:57:19,715
and there are dogs in the driveway loose.

1180
00:57:20,005 --> 00:57:22,235
There were two yesterday. There is no, when I met,

1181
00:57:22,625 --> 00:57:23,875
when I can tell you

1182
00:57:23,875 --> 00:57:25,515
what two they are because they're always there.

1183
00:57:26,335 --> 00:57:30,555
No, but, but yeah, there's a, it is a, it is normally yes.

1184
00:57:30,555 --> 00:57:31,795
You just go talk to your neighbor

1185
00:57:31,795 --> 00:57:34,755
and you say like, Hey, let's do something here.

1186
00:57:34,855 --> 00:57:37,835
No, I meant, but yeah, no, no, we've been there.

1187
00:57:38,665 --> 00:57:39,795
This is, this has been

1188
00:57:39,795 --> 00:57:40,795
Happening.

1189
00:57:40,795 --> 00:57:42,235
This has been going on for, well I've been on the board

1190
00:57:42,235 --> 00:57:43,235
for four years now

1191
00:57:45,495 --> 00:57:47,675
and this has been

1192
00:57:48,595 --> 00:57:49,595
Probably since 2018.

1193
00:57:49,595 --> 00:57:51,995
Right. That's when you moved to Amon, huh? Yeah,

1194
00:57:52,815 --> 00:57:53,815
It started before that.

1195
00:57:54,335 --> 00:57:55,335
So,

1196
00:57:56,745 --> 00:57:58,195
Well Ken, we need an option.

1197
00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:00,835
Well, I mean it would

1198
00:58:00,835 --> 00:58:05,675
Be, can we issue a fine on top of

1199
00:58:05,905 --> 00:58:07,475
what we've already got here in writing?

1200
00:58:11,065 --> 00:58:15,235
That would be to include $640

1201
00:58:15,375 --> 00:58:18,235
for the replacement of lost animals.

1202
00:58:21,315 --> 00:58:25,395
I would put down $500 for pain and suffering

1203
00:58:29,215 --> 00:58:32,315
and impound, the animal plus room

1204
00:58:32,475 --> 00:58:35,155
and board until scene fit.

1205
00:58:36,655 --> 00:58:39,675
We gotta stop this once and for all,

1206
00:58:41,555 --> 00:58:43,275
I had to shoot one of my guineas

1207
00:58:44,545 --> 00:58:48,515
because her skin and feathers were torn off her

1208
00:58:48,515 --> 00:58:52,155
and she was just laying there. I had to shoot

1209
00:58:52,505 --> 00:58:55,235
Because she wouldn't, would that be 500 to each person

1210
00:58:55,415 --> 00:58:58,275
or 500 for them to split? Well, pain and

1211
00:58:58,275 --> 00:58:59,275
Suffering.

1212
00:58:59,275 --> 00:59:00,115
I'm not, I think that's the one I would,

1213
00:59:00,435 --> 00:59:01,595
I would have the hardest time.

1214
00:59:02,415 --> 00:59:04,555
That's fine. Yeah, I, I agree with that. So

1215
00:59:04,555 --> 00:59:06,795
I think with that, but you can do, I mean,

1216
00:59:07,165 --> 00:59:09,515
subsequent offenses, it sounds like you're, you're

1217
00:59:10,115 --> 00:59:11,995
multiple offenses, so you're already at 500 bucks

1218
00:59:12,015 --> 00:59:14,635
for each offense, each Guinea attack.

1219
00:59:14,795 --> 00:59:18,875
I mean, she's also potentially her dog. Can you do it

1220
00:59:19,015 --> 00:59:22,085
Per doesn't say.

1221
00:59:22,245 --> 00:59:24,365
I mean that would be, it doesn't say that she can.

1222
00:59:25,745 --> 00:59:28,085
So for like, for all 10 of them

1223
00:59:29,505 --> 00:59:32,405
or 12, 12, 12 of them would be 500 bucks a piece.

1224
00:59:32,985 --> 00:59:35,565
And impound the dog, I mean, she'll pay,

1225
00:59:35,865 --> 00:59:39,565
but she's not gonna pay that, pay that.

1226
00:59:39,665 --> 00:59:40,665
Oh,

1227
00:59:41,045 --> 00:59:42,205
I just don't wanna see that dog.

1228
00:59:42,335 --> 00:59:43,765
We're paying the foot, the bill

1229
00:59:43,765 --> 00:59:44,965
for that dog be around forever.

1230
00:59:45,485 --> 00:59:48,885
I think we gotta set some amount of time limit if they,

1231
00:59:48,985 --> 00:59:50,765
if they don't find a place within 10 days

1232
00:59:50,785 --> 00:59:52,645
or 30 days, whatever we decide on

1233
00:59:52,645 --> 00:59:54,765
that the dog gets put away needs fixed.

1234
00:59:55,075 --> 00:59:56,645
Yeah. So

1235
00:59:56,645 --> 00:59:58,565
otherwise it could take anything for years. Years.

1236
00:59:58,775 --> 01:00:00,285
Right. No, I agree with that.

1237
01:00:00,345 --> 01:00:03,685
But in, in the process of the dog being impounded, if you,

1238
01:00:04,705 --> 01:00:08,805
you want to use that if with in a dog kennel, I would like

1239
01:00:08,805 --> 01:00:11,765
to see, make sure that that includes some kind of

1240
01:00:12,335 --> 01:00:14,445
train rehabilitation for that dog.

1241
01:00:14,445 --> 01:00:19,255
Give it, give the dog the best chance

1242
01:00:19,315 --> 01:00:23,295
it can for survival within capable hands.

1243
01:00:23,815 --> 01:00:26,255
Apparently it's not incapable hands. I

1244
01:00:26,255 --> 01:00:26,975
Agree. Right. Yeah.

1245
01:00:27,735 --> 01:00:30,895
I don't believe to be, honestly, the dogs, some are bred

1246
01:00:30,895 --> 01:00:31,935
for killing and whatever,

1247
01:00:32,325 --> 01:00:35,295
they're not all bad animals, bad trainers.

1248
01:00:35,995 --> 01:00:38,615
Yes. Owners. So give the dog bad owners.

1249
01:00:39,095 --> 01:00:41,495
I I won't say more than 30 days by any means.

1250
01:00:42,075 --> 01:00:44,695
And I know that we were gonna be initially footing the bill

1251
01:00:45,005 --> 01:00:47,575
that can come back to us at, at a different point if it has

1252
01:00:47,575 --> 01:00:50,255
to go to court, but give the dog a fighting chance

1253
01:00:50,885 --> 01:00:52,335
like it did in the chickens.

1254
01:00:53,255 --> 01:00:54,535
I mean, you, you know, after

1255
01:00:54,535 --> 01:00:56,575
that if it can't be rehabilitated,

1256
01:00:58,145 --> 01:01:01,115
then euthanization obviously would be the, the next step,

1257
01:01:01,135 --> 01:01:05,435
but at least go that step while it's in, in

1258
01:01:06,065 --> 01:01:07,065
That place.

1259
01:01:07,575 --> 01:01:09,795
You all set Yeah. That place you're talking about, is

1260
01:01:09,795 --> 01:01:12,115
that something you're reasonably sure to take this dog?

1261
01:01:12,625 --> 01:01:13,715
They would take it? Yes.

1262
01:01:14,055 --> 01:01:18,275
And I, I think she charges 25 a day

1263
01:01:18,335 --> 01:01:19,795
for if the town we're paying,

1264
01:01:20,215 --> 01:01:24,075
but I think it's 30 per day for an owner.

1265
01:01:25,695 --> 01:01:27,235
She also, we have had

1266
01:01:29,675 --> 01:01:33,035
trainers go evaluate dogs at her place.

1267
01:01:33,655 --> 01:01:34,915
So she is open to that.

1268
01:01:35,055 --> 01:01:38,035
So like you could say within 14 days,

1269
01:01:40,395 --> 01:01:44,555
a certified trainer, whatever you wanna call them,

1270
01:01:44,885 --> 01:01:46,195
would come assess the dog

1271
01:01:46,815 --> 01:01:50,115
and then give, write a report to the select board

1272
01:01:50,295 --> 01:01:51,515
of their findings.

1273
01:01:52,335 --> 01:01:56,995
And if the dog can be adopted out, then great.

1274
01:01:57,205 --> 01:01:59,635
There we find a place for it, a rescue

1275
01:01:59,705 --> 01:02:01,155
that would be willing to take it.

1276
01:02:01,775 --> 01:02:05,795
If it can't then, you know, I,

1277
01:02:05,895 --> 01:02:10,395
but I mean you could, you could see if she'd be willing to

1278
01:02:12,315 --> 01:02:16,355
surrender it, at which point, I mean then

1279
01:02:17,255 --> 01:02:20,245
who, you know, whoever takes the dog would then

1280
01:02:20,265 --> 01:02:21,445
be responsible for it.

1281
01:02:21,765 --> 01:02:24,485
I see. See that's where, that's where I, I,

1282
01:02:24,645 --> 01:02:28,205
I don't feel safe if the dog is damaged enough now

1283
01:02:28,265 --> 01:02:31,445
to create damage, let's put in a secure environment

1284
01:02:31,445 --> 01:02:33,285
where there is a professional trainer.

1285
01:02:33,605 --> 01:02:35,885
I wouldn't wanna see that go to my kids' house.

1286
01:02:36,515 --> 01:02:38,205
Well, right, right. Just, just

1287
01:02:38,205 --> 01:02:40,165
because somebody wanted to adopt a dog.

1288
01:02:40,625 --> 01:02:44,365
No, that dog is gonna be trained, you know,

1289
01:02:44,365 --> 01:02:48,565
given whether it's seven days, 14 days by a person each day

1290
01:02:48,785 --> 01:02:51,725
to go through the process and work with this dog.

1291
01:02:52,065 --> 01:02:54,205
And if it, it is not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen.

1292
01:02:54,345 --> 01:02:56,325
But I wouldn't want to see in the 14 days

1293
01:02:56,585 --> 01:02:57,925
or just somebody walk in.

1294
01:02:58,155 --> 01:03:00,205
Yeah. This dog can be rehabilitated.

1295
01:03:00,315 --> 01:03:02,765
Sign a paper and let it go off to somebody's house.

1296
01:03:02,945 --> 01:03:05,045
No, there's gonna be stipulations

1297
01:03:05,045 --> 01:03:06,245
because it's already done damage.

1298
01:03:06,595 --> 01:03:08,805
Yeah. I chain out about to eat.

1299
01:03:09,245 --> 01:03:12,525
I, I don't know, I can feed it chain about a sip,

1300
01:03:12,835 --> 01:03:14,085
Feed it, you put it in.

1301
01:03:14,965 --> 01:03:19,845
I don't know. But that's, I'm just trying

1302
01:03:19,845 --> 01:03:21,205
to think you most too main

1303
01:03:21,225 --> 01:03:23,005
but most realistic so I can go

1304
01:03:23,005 --> 01:03:24,805
to sleep at night knowing we're doing the right thing.

1305
01:03:24,815 --> 01:03:26,925
Right. For both the people that it's going to

1306
01:03:26,925 --> 01:03:29,045
or possibly going to in the animal.

1307
01:03:29,395 --> 01:03:31,645
Yeah. Obviously right now it's not in the best

1308
01:03:31,645 --> 01:03:33,445
place for anyone. Right,

1309
01:03:33,495 --> 01:03:34,495
Right.

1310
01:03:34,495 --> 01:03:36,605
It, the question is, I mean it's lived there six years,

1311
01:03:36,825 --> 01:03:40,765
so can this be turned around and

1312
01:03:40,905 --> 01:03:42,925
and that's up to Yeah.

1313
01:03:42,925 --> 01:03:44,725
You need like a licensed behaviorist Yeah.

1314
01:03:45,125 --> 01:03:47,085
To go in and work with, with it. Yeah.

1315
01:03:48,155 --> 01:03:52,085
Cody. So my, my thoughts right now,

1316
01:03:52,585 --> 01:03:55,605
my opinion would be another $500 fine

1317
01:03:56,155 --> 01:03:57,765
plus the damages of the losses.

1318
01:03:57,985 --> 01:04:02,325
So the six 40 dog needs to be taken.

1319
01:04:02,545 --> 01:04:03,845
So we petition the court

1320
01:04:05,065 --> 01:04:09,105
and if she has,

1321
01:04:09,165 --> 01:04:13,065
she can't get the dog back unless she pays all the fines.

1322
01:04:14,325 --> 01:04:18,865
And only if after the, the dog's looked at

1323
01:04:18,925 --> 01:04:22,345
and the re whatever the re if they say it could come back.

1324
01:04:24,025 --> 01:04:26,025
I, I'm not saying it could come back to Williamstown.

1325
01:04:26,105 --> 01:04:27,585
I, well, or at least a different owner.

1326
01:04:29,185 --> 01:04:30,505
I don't want, it'd be like taking

1327
01:04:32,125 --> 01:04:34,305
and putting a grave back in the same scenario. Do

1328
01:04:34,305 --> 01:04:36,465
We have to go to court to issue another fine?

1329
01:04:37,765 --> 01:04:39,505
You don't have to for another fine.

1330
01:04:39,605 --> 01:04:42,625
And Cody, it looks like when I was looking at your

1331
01:04:42,625 --> 01:04:46,265
ordinance, you already claimed your power in your ordinance

1332
01:04:46,405 --> 01:04:48,585
to just be able to go and seize the dog.

1333
01:04:49,725 --> 01:04:53,585
If door's closed, you're not able to do that,

1334
01:04:54,415 --> 01:04:55,465
then you can go to court

1335
01:04:55,525 --> 01:04:58,985
and the court can authorize the sheriff to go

1336
01:04:58,985 --> 01:05:00,185
and support you in doing that.

1337
01:05:00,525 --> 01:05:02,625
I'm not left. I'm on her property. Okay.

1338
01:05:02,625 --> 01:05:03,905
So I can't, so then, then

1339
01:05:04,045 --> 01:05:07,345
If you can't logistically get it, you can go to the court

1340
01:05:07,485 --> 01:05:10,945
and get them to authorize law enforcement to do that.

1341
01:05:11,445 --> 01:05:13,985
Get a warrant. It would be like a warrant. Yep.

1342
01:05:14,005 --> 01:05:18,925
An order, a warrant

1343
01:05:19,025 --> 01:05:21,205
to enter private land animals.

1344
01:05:21,425 --> 01:05:22,425
Not like him.

1345
01:05:23,785 --> 01:05:25,885
So let, let me ask you guys if,

1346
01:05:29,155 --> 01:05:30,285
does that seem reasonable?

1347
01:05:30,305 --> 01:05:31,805
If she pays all the fines and

1348
01:05:31,805 --> 01:05:35,045
after the dog gets looked at

1349
01:05:35,045 --> 01:05:37,565
by whoever they said, you know, yes.

1350
01:05:37,665 --> 01:05:40,005
It, it's okay to go back.

1351
01:05:40,225 --> 01:05:42,085
Is that something you guys would be okay with?

1352
01:05:42,265 --> 01:05:43,685
Or you just don't want that elastic?

1353
01:05:43,925 --> 01:05:45,565
I, I think for her to get it back, she needs

1354
01:05:45,565 --> 01:05:46,965
to fence in her entire property.

1355
01:05:47,285 --> 01:05:49,485
I, I, that would be the only way with like,

1356
01:05:49,585 --> 01:05:53,085
I'm talking 12 foot fences, like this dog goes up

1357
01:05:53,085 --> 01:05:54,405
and over her fences now.

1358
01:05:55,845 --> 01:05:57,725
I mean they're, I don't know if you've ever seen her fences.

1359
01:05:57,725 --> 01:06:02,005
They're all falling down. But I I, she can,

1360
01:06:02,265 --> 01:06:04,085
my biggest thing is she cannot contain this dog.

1361
01:06:04,315 --> 01:06:05,885
Whether it's the sweetest dog in the

1362
01:06:05,885 --> 01:06:07,125
world, the most aggressive dog.

1363
01:06:07,345 --> 01:06:09,085
She has proven she can't contain this dog.

1364
01:06:09,305 --> 01:06:11,685
And it has caused these problems.

1365
01:06:12,525 --> 01:06:16,325
I think for it to return to her, it needs to be like a list.

1366
01:06:16,475 --> 01:06:18,085
Like she needs to have a kennel

1367
01:06:18,085 --> 01:06:19,845
that can contain this dog for any time.

1368
01:06:20,345 --> 01:06:21,525
It is out of control.

1369
01:06:21,825 --> 01:06:24,525
She needs to have fencing covering her entire property

1370
01:06:24,525 --> 01:06:26,005
that this dog cannot get out of.

1371
01:06:26,065 --> 01:06:27,685
Not entire property, but, you know, a fence,

1372
01:06:28,285 --> 01:06:30,285
a reasonable space, not a old property.

1373
01:06:30,385 --> 01:06:32,685
That'd be crazy. And,

1374
01:06:33,185 --> 01:06:36,045
and like she needs to have all of the proper things

1375
01:06:36,105 --> 01:06:39,445
to control this dog appropriate.

1376
01:06:39,915 --> 01:06:42,645
Like by a trained, like a certified trainer,

1377
01:06:42,795 --> 01:06:44,005
certified behaviorist

1378
01:06:44,235 --> 01:06:47,925
that is this dog needs these things when it exists in the

1379
01:06:47,925 --> 01:06:48,925
world in her care.

1380
01:06:49,665 --> 01:06:51,725
Or it can go somewhere else.

1381
01:06:52,525 --> 01:06:54,645
I think it needs to be like really broken down

1382
01:06:54,645 --> 01:06:56,325
because she cannot contain the stone

1383
01:06:56,545 --> 01:06:59,685
and I don't think she can because she's got how many Yeah.

1384
01:06:59,955 --> 01:07:01,125
Yeah. I see. But if it

1385
01:07:01,125 --> 01:07:02,405
Was one dog that do One thing

1386
01:07:02,435 --> 01:07:03,435
Yeah.

1387
01:07:03,435 --> 01:07:05,045
Right. Do and the policy

1388
01:07:05,045 --> 01:07:07,285
that we have, I didn't see anything.

1389
01:07:07,785 --> 01:07:11,005
Do we have any way of, Hey, you gotta fix the fencing.

1390
01:07:11,005 --> 01:07:12,005
You got to

1391
01:07:12,585 --> 01:07:13,585
Yes.

1392
01:07:13,585 --> 01:07:15,325
Says so if you look at section eight based on the

1393
01:07:15,325 --> 01:07:15,925
circumstances,

1394
01:07:20,545 --> 01:07:20,925
oh wait.

1395
01:07:20,985 --> 01:07:22,245
The select board may investigate

1396
01:07:22,245 --> 01:07:24,125
to determine if justification exists

1397
01:07:24,145 --> 01:07:25,925
for additional penalties other than a fine.

1398
01:07:25,945 --> 01:07:27,445
So that's what you're doing? Yeah.

1399
01:07:27,575 --> 01:07:28,725
Based on the circumstances.

1400
01:07:28,815 --> 01:07:31,405
These additional enforcement measures may include

1401
01:07:32,125 --> 01:07:33,605
mandatory containment, muzzling,

1402
01:07:33,745 --> 01:07:35,965
or restraint removal of the animal from the custody

1403
01:07:36,185 --> 01:07:37,205
and control of the owner.

1404
01:07:37,955 --> 01:07:39,605
Okay. That sounds like what you're doing.

1405
01:07:39,785 --> 01:07:43,045
And I think putting conditions on the return, it,

1406
01:07:43,065 --> 01:07:45,805
it certainly doesn't preclude you from, you know,

1407
01:07:45,805 --> 01:07:47,525
putting those conditions on if you find

1408
01:07:47,525 --> 01:07:49,165
that those are, you know, reasonable.

1409
01:07:50,425 --> 01:07:53,205
Can I just say too, She's been trying

1410
01:07:53,305 --> 01:07:56,725
to adopt this dog out, so why not just let the dog go,

1411
01:07:58,185 --> 01:07:59,645
you know, remove the dog.

1412
01:08:00,825 --> 01:08:02,005
I'd rather see the dog

1413
01:08:02,005 --> 01:08:05,725
Out where problem, this has been an ongoing issue.

1414
01:08:05,725 --> 01:08:09,565
Yeah. There's no reason anybody needs to have 49 dogs. No.

1415
01:08:11,475 --> 01:08:13,205
Basically this dog is gonna be,

1416
01:08:13,205 --> 01:08:14,405
another dog is gonna be an issue.

1417
01:08:14,665 --> 01:08:16,205
If you, you also, if you, if you do the,

1418
01:08:16,205 --> 01:08:18,285
like putting the stipulations on it, she can't claim

1419
01:08:18,285 --> 01:08:19,965
that you're just trying to take her dog away.

1420
01:08:20,475 --> 01:08:21,725
Like you are what we're,

1421
01:08:21,725 --> 01:08:22,925
like you're saying I'm gonna impound it,

1422
01:08:23,025 --> 01:08:27,285
but the way that she likes to kind

1423
01:08:27,285 --> 01:08:29,245
of comment things is you're like, no,

1424
01:08:29,245 --> 01:08:30,325
you can have your dog back.

1425
01:08:30,345 --> 01:08:32,485
I'm not saying you can't, but here is our list

1426
01:08:32,505 --> 01:08:35,765
of things you have to accomplish in 14 days

1427
01:08:36,105 --> 01:08:37,645
or whatever your timing you wanna be.

1428
01:08:37,965 --> 01:08:41,365
I recommend 10 because wherever this dog goes is not

1429
01:08:41,365 --> 01:08:42,565
going to love dealing with it.

1430
01:08:42,925 --> 01:08:46,285
Probably. And just from like six years

1431
01:08:46,305 --> 01:08:48,925
of this ingrained behavior, it will take twice that amount

1432
01:08:48,925 --> 01:08:50,805
of time to get the behaviors out of the dog.

1433
01:08:51,595 --> 01:08:53,405
He's not gonna live 12 more years.

1434
01:08:54,505 --> 01:08:59,075
So I think, you know, spending the 10 days will be plenty

1435
01:08:59,075 --> 01:09:01,515
to get an idea of, you know, 10 to 14 days will be plenty

1436
01:09:01,515 --> 01:09:03,075
to get an idea of what that dog needs.

1437
01:09:03,535 --> 01:09:05,755
My guess is that dog's already attacked chickens.

1438
01:09:05,755 --> 01:09:08,195
He likes doing that. He ain't gonna stop doing them.

1439
01:09:08,505 --> 01:09:10,195
Yeah. And it wasn't, he didn't attack the chickens

1440
01:09:10,195 --> 01:09:11,435
and eat them, ate them.

1441
01:09:11,495 --> 01:09:14,355
He attacked them. Get a dog to torture them. I guess so.

1442
01:09:14,605 --> 01:09:16,155
Which is very a dog.

1443
01:09:19,215 --> 01:09:21,035
So yeah. So that's, that is also

1444
01:09:21,235 --> 01:09:23,795
A, I think what we need to do is,

1445
01:09:24,015 --> 01:09:25,555
I'm gonna take Chris's question here in a second,

1446
01:09:25,555 --> 01:09:28,635
but I think what we need to do is look into this.

1447
01:09:28,775 --> 01:09:30,115
We, we've had the public here

1448
01:09:30,115 --> 01:09:31,595
and we need to look into this further.

1449
01:09:31,825 --> 01:09:34,435
What legal means we, we can do with it,

1450
01:09:34,835 --> 01:09:36,355
actually have teeth in it to get something done.

1451
01:09:37,225 --> 01:09:39,035
Well I think we already have that, Larry, right?

1452
01:09:39,035 --> 01:09:40,635
No, but I mean, we need to have the counsel

1453
01:09:40,935 --> 01:09:43,235
to advise this so we do it right.

1454
01:09:43,625 --> 01:09:47,115
Make sure this thing sticks. Would you agree with that?

1455
01:09:47,265 --> 01:09:48,435
Sure. Yeah. Okay.

1456
01:09:48,785 --> 01:09:50,995
Have a very clearly written, I think

1457
01:09:50,995 --> 01:09:52,595
what you're thinking is make sure it's clearly

1458
01:09:52,595 --> 01:09:53,955
written out right?

1459
01:09:54,395 --> 01:09:56,755
Everyone is, knows if this, then that

1460
01:09:57,335 --> 01:09:59,595
and that if things aren't followed,

1461
01:10:00,345 --> 01:10:03,755
that everyone understands how money is gonna get paid

1462
01:10:04,015 --> 01:10:05,395
and how it's gonna get recovered

1463
01:10:05,775 --> 01:10:09,555
or what the disposition of the animal will be in the event

1464
01:10:09,665 --> 01:10:11,595
that conditions aren't met.

1465
01:10:12,005 --> 01:10:14,195
Right. Is there an appeal?

1466
01:10:16,175 --> 01:10:18,035
It doesn't look like you have?

1467
01:10:18,745 --> 01:10:21,155
Well, so it doesn't look like you have put an appeal in

1468
01:10:21,155 --> 01:10:25,715
here, but there are, she can, they can consult

1469
01:10:25,715 --> 01:10:27,675
with their attorney on the remedies available

1470
01:10:27,735 --> 01:10:28,995
to them. Okay.

1471
01:10:29,855 --> 01:10:32,155
What's the timeline on something like that?

1472
01:10:33,295 --> 01:10:35,915
So since this is a hearing, what I would suggest

1473
01:10:35,915 --> 01:10:37,355
that you would do is

1474
01:10:40,955 --> 01:10:42,555
continue the hearing maybe until

1475
01:10:43,105 --> 01:10:44,555
your next meeting if you want,

1476
01:10:44,775 --> 01:10:47,955
and then maybe deliberate when we go into

1477
01:10:48,295 --> 01:10:49,315
an executive session.

1478
01:10:50,465 --> 01:10:53,155
Your deliberation isn't subject to open meeting law.

1479
01:10:53,175 --> 01:10:56,475
So you can deliberate, you can decide what you want.

1480
01:10:57,695 --> 01:10:58,955
You can take some time

1481
01:10:59,095 --> 01:11:01,275
and consult with your animal patrol officer

1482
01:11:02,455 --> 01:11:06,355
and then finalize your decision at your next meeting

1483
01:11:07,935 --> 01:11:08,935
Or even after.

1484
01:11:09,855 --> 01:11:10,875
You don't have to do it tonight

1485
01:11:11,055 --> 01:11:12,995
is if that's what you're asking. But

1486
01:11:13,045 --> 01:11:15,125
If we wanted to, if we, But if you wanted to, yes.

1487
01:11:15,145 --> 01:11:17,085
If you wanted tonight to, to decide

1488
01:11:17,105 --> 01:11:20,925
and to vote what your parameters are,

1489
01:11:22,795 --> 01:11:27,165
then you can use some language to say subject to, you know,

1490
01:11:27,365 --> 01:11:30,685
a written decision issued by, you know, approved

1491
01:11:30,785 --> 01:11:31,925
and issued by counsel

1492
01:11:33,625 --> 01:11:37,205
and designate, you know, the chair, the town manager to then

1493
01:11:37,805 --> 01:11:40,285
tidy up any loose ends if any of the problems come up and,

1494
01:11:40,305 --> 01:11:41,645
and come back to you if there's any

1495
01:11:41,645 --> 01:11:43,245
substantial change to your decision.

1496
01:11:43,755 --> 01:11:45,645
Well, we are having a executive session

1497
01:11:45,705 --> 01:11:47,085
for legal issues made already.

1498
01:11:47,225 --> 01:11:52,045
So we could talk about that later as well. Yeah. So Chris,

1499
01:11:53,395 --> 01:11:54,685
Just Chris,

1500
01:11:55,055 --> 01:11:56,285
Larry, you, you okay, Larry.

1501
01:11:56,425 --> 01:11:57,645
But I have a statement.

1502
01:11:57,665 --> 01:11:59,445
You, you, you said it best that

1503
01:12:00,835 --> 01:12:02,085
this person shouldn't have a juror.

1504
01:12:02,345 --> 01:12:04,845
We all know that. It, it is disgusting.

1505
01:12:04,845 --> 01:12:07,285
It's always been disgusting for a very long time in town.

1506
01:12:07,285 --> 01:12:08,645
Said this is a nuisance forever.

1507
01:12:09,925 --> 01:12:12,045
I think we need a humane solution

1508
01:12:12,045 --> 01:12:13,525
because it's not the animal's fault.

1509
01:12:14,155 --> 01:12:16,925
This animal is a known breed that is a killer,

1510
01:12:17,905 --> 01:12:22,605
but it's not this animal's fault as a, as a citizen here.

1511
01:12:22,605 --> 01:12:26,485
If it was my dog, I like yours. I like Clayton's.

1512
01:12:26,525 --> 01:12:29,165
I like cos especially like Scott's

1513
01:12:29,305 --> 01:12:31,165
and saying, let's penalize the owner.

1514
01:12:31,735 --> 01:12:33,165
Let's get the dog away from this owner

1515
01:12:33,165 --> 01:12:36,045
because you can take it away, give it 10 days,

1516
01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:38,685
like you said, at a professional facility

1517
01:12:38,685 --> 01:12:40,565
that our animal control officer said.

1518
01:12:41,185 --> 01:12:44,605
But it is not the dog's fault that this

1519
01:12:46,535 --> 01:12:49,895
facility has been allowed to go on and on and on

1520
01:12:49,995 --> 01:12:51,015
and on and on.

1521
01:12:51,955 --> 01:12:56,215
But it is going to be a very bad issue that if we do this

1522
01:12:56,275 --> 01:12:57,655
to this dog

1523
01:12:57,715 --> 01:12:59,095
and we make a rash decision,

1524
01:12:59,255 --> 01:13:02,095
I think maybe council would agree with you chair that

1525
01:13:02,995 --> 01:13:04,655
we have a lot of dogs in this town.

1526
01:13:04,835 --> 01:13:07,495
And based upon what we do have in our policy is

1527
01:13:09,235 --> 01:13:12,775
if there's a similar incident, I think we gotta treat it

1528
01:13:14,115 --> 01:13:15,115
Well.

1529
01:13:15,115 --> 01:13:17,605
This dog, a history of human bites. I I I agree.

1530
01:13:17,605 --> 01:13:19,805
Kill chickens than out. So I

1531
01:13:19,805 --> 01:13:20,805
Agree with you.

1532
01:13:20,805 --> 01:13:21,645
But it's also lived in a pile of ****

1533
01:13:21,705 --> 01:13:23,325
for the last six years.

1534
01:13:23,675 --> 01:13:25,685
Well, we'll, we'll discuss it all. And I get it.

1535
01:13:25,785 --> 01:13:29,525
We wanna do it legal and do it so it works. It stacks it. So

1536
01:13:29,715 --> 01:13:31,325
It's just, remember, it's not handle's fault.

1537
01:13:31,765 --> 01:13:33,605
I I don't think anybody's wanting

1538
01:13:33,705 --> 01:13:35,965
to put the dog down at this time.

1539
01:13:36,525 --> 01:13:38,285
I mean, well, I mean from what

1540
01:13:38,285 --> 01:13:41,725
I'm I Sick of kicking the scan down the road.

1541
01:13:41,725 --> 01:13:45,525
Exactly. We've got to do something with this whole

1542
01:13:45,965 --> 01:13:46,965
Situation.

1543
01:13:46,965 --> 01:13:47,165
No, yeah, I agree. It's not fair

1544
01:13:47,165 --> 01:13:49,005
to the people around it place. Yeah, exactly.

1545
01:13:49,385 --> 01:13:51,605
And I'm, I'm behind you

1546
01:13:51,605 --> 01:13:56,125
and I, this has been kicked down the road a long time

1547
01:13:56,225 --> 01:13:59,805
and I think it's time we make a stand here and

1548
01:14:00,125 --> 01:14:02,565
I do something a hundred percent behind you.

1549
01:14:02,565 --> 01:14:05,845
That one. So, we'll we're, we're gonna discuss this further

1550
01:14:05,905 --> 01:14:08,165
and make sure we do it right, whatever we end up doing.

1551
01:14:08,265 --> 01:14:11,005
And we'll let you know what the outcome is and thank you.

1552
01:14:11,005 --> 01:14:12,205
You thank you for coming. Thank

1553
01:14:12,225 --> 01:14:13,225
You.

1554
01:14:13,225 --> 01:14:16,845
I can also contact country canine just to ask

1555
01:14:17,385 --> 01:14:20,645
and verify that she'd be willing to house him

1556
01:14:21,065 --> 01:14:22,885
Taking the work with Ryan on that.

1557
01:14:23,025 --> 01:14:25,805
And then yeah, we'll work with the council and, and

1558
01:14:25,875 --> 01:14:28,205
Yeah, We, we, we will probably come up

1559
01:14:28,205 --> 01:14:30,005
with some parameters we're looking for tonight,

1560
01:14:30,065 --> 01:14:32,845
but may not make a decision until we hear back from,

1561
01:14:34,265 --> 01:14:37,845
we can get together another night, just five

1562
01:14:37,845 --> 01:14:39,045
of us just to discuss this.

1563
01:14:39,045 --> 01:14:40,565
Okay. For a few minutes If we need to.

1564
01:14:41,105 --> 01:14:42,285
We, we won't leave you hanging,

1565
01:14:42,445 --> 01:14:43,525
I don't think we gotta leave you hanging

1566
01:14:43,545 --> 01:14:44,725
for a whole month until next week.

1567
01:14:44,745 --> 01:14:48,885
Oh, that would be nice. But that might take a few days

1568
01:14:48,905 --> 01:14:50,125
to make sure we get it right.

1569
01:14:50,185 --> 01:14:53,485
You know, is that everybody board with that? Yeah. Yeah.

1570
01:14:54,755 --> 01:14:56,165
Okay. Well thank you for coming in.

1571
01:14:56,735 --> 01:14:59,725
Thank, Thank you. Thank you. You don't have to run off.

1572
01:14:59,725 --> 01:15:04,045
You still stay If you want let you go. We

1573
01:15:04,145 --> 01:15:07,005
Get up at 4:00 AM Myself included.

1574
01:15:08,935 --> 01:15:12,125
Thank you. No, I don't Thank you until five tomorrow.

1575
01:15:14,945 --> 01:15:18,805
Of course. I'm sitting here.

1576
01:15:20,385 --> 01:15:24,285
Get one take here. Okay,

1577
01:15:24,435 --> 01:15:26,445
next time is 53 Beckett Street,

1578
01:15:26,625 --> 01:15:31,625
2024 tax sale discussion. Chris

1579
01:15:34,595 --> 01:15:35,595
Request.

1580
01:15:35,595 --> 01:15:37,085
Sure. Do you mind if I start or do you won't mind to start?

1581
01:15:37,285 --> 01:15:38,325
'cause we both know a go ahead.

1582
01:15:39,705 --> 01:15:42,725
At, in 2024, we sold 53 Beckett Street,

1583
01:15:44,545 --> 01:15:46,765
the known drug house in town that was rated twice

1584
01:15:47,705 --> 01:15:49,565
at tax sale at the time.

1585
01:15:49,585 --> 01:15:52,085
We had a town attorney. His name was Jeffrey Pierce.

1586
01:15:53,065 --> 01:15:56,205
We had a different town manager, Jeffrey Lewis.

1587
01:15:56,265 --> 01:15:59,485
Excuse me, I I apologize.

1588
01:15:59,725 --> 01:16:01,525
I might mess up a few times just to let you guys know

1589
01:16:01,525 --> 01:16:03,525
because I'm on chemo, so I do it brain.

1590
01:16:03,945 --> 01:16:05,605
So I've always had brain fog, Larry,

1591
01:16:05,665 --> 01:16:07,445
but right now it's a little worse than ever.

1592
01:16:07,705 --> 01:16:12,005
But Jeff Lewis and his office is in self royalton.

1593
01:16:15,165 --> 01:16:17,695
Jeff Lewis. I, I submitted a

1594
01:16:18,495 --> 01:16:21,735
Federal Public Information Act requests to Ryan,

1595
01:16:22,385 --> 01:16:25,135
which allows three days if it's not involved in the criminal

1596
01:16:25,245 --> 01:16:27,975
case to provide all the public information that was

1597
01:16:28,175 --> 01:16:29,215
provided as part of the sale

1598
01:16:29,635 --> 01:16:32,375
or any type of communications that were involved in this.

1599
01:16:32,855 --> 01:16:35,815
I requested specifically for this tax sale, Ryan

1600
01:16:36,375 --> 01:16:38,815
absolutely abided by the federal.

1601
01:16:39,315 --> 01:16:40,495
He also met with my counsel.

1602
01:16:40,555 --> 01:16:41,575
My counsel's not here tonight

1603
01:16:41,695 --> 01:16:42,775
'cause she had an abscess tooth

1604
01:16:42,915 --> 01:16:45,095
and went to an emergency dental.

1605
01:16:45,475 --> 01:16:46,815
But her name is Catherine Hayes.

1606
01:16:46,815 --> 01:16:48,455
So everybody knows and Ryan has a met.

1607
01:16:50,735 --> 01:16:52,555
The only reason I've got counsel is this is not

1608
01:16:52,675 --> 01:16:54,315
a, it is a town issue.

1609
01:16:56,495 --> 01:16:57,755
The town has an avenue here,

1610
01:16:58,415 --> 01:17:00,395
and I'm not gonna speak for your counsel

1611
01:17:00,395 --> 01:17:01,715
because you do have new counsel.

1612
01:17:02,455 --> 01:17:06,675
But Mr. Lewis was paid to do due diligence in the tax sale.

1613
01:17:06,675 --> 01:17:09,885
That was to notify all lien holders, anybody

1614
01:17:09,885 --> 01:17:13,485
that claimed any type of bills or mechanic liens

1615
01:17:13,585 --> 01:17:15,605
or any type of liens at all on the

1616
01:17:15,605 --> 01:17:17,045
53 Beckett Street address.

1617
01:17:17,745 --> 01:17:19,885
And how you do that is you notify them either

1618
01:17:19,905 --> 01:17:21,845
by certified mail signature required,

1619
01:17:22,265 --> 01:17:25,165
you can do FedEx return, somebody signed

1620
01:17:25,165 --> 01:17:26,485
for it, do anything.

1621
01:17:26,795 --> 01:17:30,245
They, they choose to do up USPS

1622
01:17:31,225 --> 01:17:33,845
and then they just changed to UPS actually

1623
01:17:33,905 --> 01:17:37,725
and his office,

1624
01:17:38,545 --> 01:17:42,725
his paralegal returned all of the paperwork that they had.

1625
01:17:42,725 --> 01:17:44,485
He had actually refused for multiple times

1626
01:17:44,905 --> 01:17:45,925
to the town manager.

1627
01:17:45,945 --> 01:17:47,285
And I don't wanna speak for the town manager,

1628
01:17:47,385 --> 01:17:50,885
but speaking to you of what I know that he's refused

1629
01:17:50,905 --> 01:17:53,605
to turn over in multiple requests.

1630
01:17:54,095 --> 01:17:57,005
Proof that he notified down street housing,

1631
01:17:57,015 --> 01:17:58,485
which is the Vermont Land Trust.

1632
01:17:58,595 --> 01:18:00,885
Vermont Land Trust is now part of down street housing

1633
01:18:01,745 --> 01:18:06,645
and also the Vermont Historic Preservation Board, which

1634
01:18:07,335 --> 01:18:11,845
hands out different types of grants to individuals.

1635
01:18:11,845 --> 01:18:12,925
In this case, it was a single

1636
01:18:12,925 --> 01:18:15,245
mother, it's public information.

1637
01:18:15,245 --> 01:18:17,205
It was Brandy Todd that owned the, the property.

1638
01:18:17,365 --> 01:18:19,405
USDA had the mortgage on it.

1639
01:18:19,405 --> 01:18:21,005
They had a mortgage, it was huge.

1640
01:18:21,195 --> 01:18:23,485
Over $200,000 on the property.

1641
01:18:24,385 --> 01:18:28,685
The historic board had a $20,000

1642
01:18:28,685 --> 01:18:29,805
grant that they had given her.

1643
01:18:29,995 --> 01:18:32,765
Plus the caveat that they get paid X amount

1644
01:18:33,025 --> 01:18:34,165
of the percentage

1645
01:18:34,185 --> 01:18:37,205
of profit on any sale subsequent from that point forward.

1646
01:18:37,955 --> 01:18:41,885
Doesn't matter if Brandy sold it, if I sold it, if any

1647
01:18:42,045 --> 01:18:44,325
of you sold the property, they're entitled

1648
01:18:44,325 --> 01:18:45,885
because they were not notified

1649
01:18:46,665 --> 01:18:47,885
and due diligent, they,

1650
01:18:47,885 --> 01:18:49,925
they were not notified of the tax sale.

1651
01:18:50,185 --> 01:18:52,765
So there was two entities that were not the Vermont

1652
01:18:52,825 --> 01:18:55,685
and Trust for $1,500 amount

1653
01:18:56,305 --> 01:19:01,205
and the V-H-C-B-A, excuse me again, brain Fog.

1654
01:19:01,265 --> 01:19:03,885
But Ryan has all that information.

1655
01:19:03,995 --> 01:19:07,125
Also, we're not notified of the tax sale.

1656
01:19:08,065 --> 01:19:11,365
Mr. Lewis cannot provide that information.

1657
01:19:11,585 --> 01:19:13,725
He was hired and paid by the town to do that.

1658
01:19:15,455 --> 01:19:19,405
Based upon my counsel's advice is,

1659
01:19:22,945 --> 01:19:24,645
The only reason I hate to do this is

1660
01:19:24,645 --> 01:19:26,805
because it ultimately is going

1661
01:19:26,805 --> 01:19:28,965
after the town for the 21,500.

1662
01:19:29,465 --> 01:19:31,725
The town then would absolutely go

1663
01:19:31,725 --> 01:19:36,285
after malpractice insurance of Mr. Lewis because he did not.

1664
01:19:38,435 --> 01:19:43,245
It's a tax sale, it's elementary. As far as tax sales go.

1665
01:19:43,465 --> 01:19:46,605
We paid Mr. Lewis a lot of money. And that doesn't matter.

1666
01:19:46,785 --> 01:19:49,045
We paid him for his services as the attorney.

1667
01:19:49,785 --> 01:19:50,965
That's why he has insurance.

1668
01:19:51,545 --> 01:19:53,765
He did not notify two entities in this costing me on

1669
01:19:53,865 --> 01:19:55,005
the 16th of this month.

1670
01:19:56,065 --> 01:19:59,925
I'm paying off two liens, $21,500

1671
01:20:00,915 --> 01:20:04,685
that the town should not have sold the property at

1672
01:20:04,705 --> 01:20:05,765
tax sale at that time.

1673
01:20:07,015 --> 01:20:11,795
Again, Ryan and I have talked in detail with this.

1674
01:20:11,985 --> 01:20:13,515
Ryan has also met my counsel.

1675
01:20:14,705 --> 01:20:16,675
I've asked that the, the board be notified.

1676
01:20:16,675 --> 01:20:18,955
The only reason I'm here tonight is I wanna make sure

1677
01:20:18,955 --> 01:20:20,675
that the whole board is notified.

1678
01:20:20,785 --> 01:20:24,715
Plus I want the town spoke to know that I'm not

1679
01:20:25,695 --> 01:20:27,995
trying to go after the town for the 21 5

1680
01:20:27,995 --> 01:20:29,715
because the town did hire counsel.

1681
01:20:31,885 --> 01:20:35,025
My counsel will of course be filing suit against the town

1682
01:20:35,685 --> 01:20:38,065
for the 21 5 as soon as I incur that damage,

1683
01:20:38,075 --> 01:20:40,105
which will be on 16th at closing.

1684
01:20:42,425 --> 01:20:45,105
Ultimately, and I'm, I'm talking out

1685
01:20:45,105 --> 01:20:46,665
of church 'cause you do have your own counsel.

1686
01:20:46,765 --> 01:20:49,265
But your counsel's here, Larry, that

1687
01:20:50,615 --> 01:20:52,625
that is why he has malpractice insurance.

1688
01:20:53,335 --> 01:20:55,785
Because he did not do his due diligence as part of

1689
01:20:55,785 --> 01:20:57,105
that individual tax sale.

1690
01:20:57,765 --> 01:21:00,145
And based upon the, the information that he

1691
01:21:00,465 --> 01:21:01,705
provided to your account manager

1692
01:21:02,005 --> 01:21:04,225
and to me as part of the federal request

1693
01:21:04,885 --> 01:21:06,345
for public information,

1694
01:21:09,525 --> 01:21:11,505
he does not have the information to provide that.

1695
01:21:11,605 --> 01:21:14,465
He did do that. Of course, we can all say we did.

1696
01:21:15,125 --> 01:21:17,025
He did in fact do it with USDA

1697
01:21:17,025 --> 01:21:19,105
and had all the proper notifications signed.

1698
01:21:19,405 --> 01:21:20,705
Notice that they received notice

1699
01:21:20,845 --> 01:21:23,025
and a letter that they had relinquished

1700
01:21:23,025 --> 01:21:24,385
their interest in the property.

1701
01:21:25,485 --> 01:21:29,305
He would've also had to add that from the two boards

1702
01:21:29,305 --> 01:21:31,345
that were involved with the grants saying

1703
01:21:31,345 --> 01:21:33,385
that they relinquished their interest in the property.

1704
01:21:34,185 --> 01:21:37,985
I have in fact bought that relinquish for the 20,000

1705
01:21:38,045 --> 01:21:40,345
to one board because they could still ask

1706
01:21:40,405 --> 01:21:42,065
for a percentage of the profits.

1707
01:21:42,615 --> 01:21:44,625
They have said, you give us $20,000,

1708
01:21:45,655 --> 01:21:46,825
that was the original grant.

1709
01:21:46,955 --> 01:21:48,625
We'll relinquish any percentage

1710
01:21:48,625 --> 01:21:50,105
of the profits that we're entitled to.

1711
01:21:50,585 --> 01:21:55,505
'cause they are by statute, the $1,500 I'm paying

1712
01:21:56,295 --> 01:21:58,465
down Streete housing doesn't even have an interest with it.

1713
01:21:58,465 --> 01:22:01,265
But the state attorney, Mrs.

1714
01:22:01,335 --> 01:22:05,945
Egan has, has said, Hey, you're paying one board.

1715
01:22:06,235 --> 01:22:09,225
Let's pay the other board. It's clean. I said, absolutely.

1716
01:22:09,345 --> 01:22:10,385
I have an insurable title.

1717
01:22:10,485 --> 01:22:11,905
Now all of a sudden, because

1718
01:22:11,905 --> 01:22:16,145
before I had a tax tax deed tax sale deed,

1719
01:22:16,445 --> 01:22:19,585
now I'll have a, a insurable mart deed as part

1720
01:22:19,585 --> 01:22:21,545
of the 21 5 being done correctly.

1721
01:22:21,685 --> 01:22:22,945
If it had been done correctly,

1722
01:22:23,625 --> 01:22:25,345
I could had a mart deed previous to this.

1723
01:22:27,125 --> 01:22:32,065
As of as of right now, the insurance company is doing this.

1724
01:22:32,565 --> 01:22:34,505
The title insurance company's doing this knowing

1725
01:22:34,505 --> 01:22:37,385
that at closing they have two attorneys,

1726
01:22:37,445 --> 01:22:39,585
one from Fred Pete's office will

1727
01:22:40,245 --> 01:22:42,985
and my attorney Paul Bowles, who's my real estate attorney,

1728
01:22:44,375 --> 01:22:46,945
have assured them that the checks will be issued, of course,

1729
01:22:47,365 --> 01:22:48,665
for relinquishment of this.

1730
01:22:48,855 --> 01:22:52,585
Therefore, the title insurance company will be issuing a

1731
01:22:52,585 --> 01:22:56,105
title insurance on the RT for the, the subsequent number.

1732
01:22:57,125 --> 01:23:00,865
So my, my damages won't be realized

1733
01:23:01,035 --> 01:23:05,805
until the 16th, but it is $21,500.

1734
01:23:05,945 --> 01:23:08,245
And I wanted to discuss it with the board to let them know

1735
01:23:08,245 --> 01:23:11,695
that I don't believe the town

1736
01:23:12,635 --> 01:23:14,935
is liable in any way other than to go

1737
01:23:14,935 --> 01:23:17,095
after the council, which is what you hired

1738
01:23:17,515 --> 01:23:18,615
to do the tax sales.

1739
01:23:19,395 --> 01:23:22,615
And he did not do due diligence and,

1740
01:23:22,675 --> 01:23:24,095
and finding all the lie owners,

1741
01:23:24,185 --> 01:23:27,015
which are in fact on the first page of the deed.

1742
01:23:27,355 --> 01:23:31,575
And I'm not an attorney, nor am I an expert in deeds by lot

1743
01:23:31,575 --> 01:23:33,215
of properties, but I don't know deeds very well.

1744
01:23:33,255 --> 01:23:34,975
I went in and read the first page of the deed

1745
01:23:35,635 --> 01:23:38,255
and they're sitting right there, black and white.

1746
01:23:38,595 --> 01:23:40,535
And they're actually so black

1747
01:23:40,535 --> 01:23:42,415
and white that it mentions both boards

1748
01:23:42,595 --> 01:23:43,735
and the exact amounts.

1749
01:23:44,195 --> 01:23:46,615
And that there is other statutes in the share,

1750
01:23:46,635 --> 01:23:49,855
in the profit sharing on the, on the property.

1751
01:23:50,395 --> 01:23:52,805
So that is why I'm here.

1752
01:23:54,685 --> 01:23:57,285
I would love it if, if I know it's a,

1753
01:23:57,285 --> 01:23:58,325
it is a conflict of interest.

1754
01:23:58,325 --> 01:24:00,925
But I'd love it if everybody could understand

1755
01:24:01,625 --> 01:24:04,605
my position here and realize

1756
01:24:04,675 --> 01:24:07,405
that this is not an attack on my hometown.

1757
01:24:07,595 --> 01:24:09,245
I'll still be living here as long as I live.

1758
01:24:11,625 --> 01:24:13,565
And I've done my best to clean up that house.

1759
01:24:14,505 --> 01:24:16,325
But we had an attorney at the time

1760
01:24:16,325 --> 01:24:18,365
that did not do his due diligence.

1761
01:24:19,105 --> 01:24:20,965
And I think your counsel, which I'm,

1762
01:24:21,025 --> 01:24:24,085
I'm glad counsel is here today, Larry, and I think the board

1763
01:24:24,465 --> 01:24:27,805
and Ryan is very aware of this situation, needs

1764
01:24:27,805 --> 01:24:30,565
to know exactly the steps that happened here

1765
01:24:30,945 --> 01:24:32,445
and realize that we hired an attorney

1766
01:24:32,445 --> 01:24:33,445
that did not do the job.

1767
01:24:34,525 --> 01:24:36,145
So that's all I'm here for.

1768
01:24:37,405 --> 01:24:38,585
I'm gonna ask you a question.

1769
01:24:38,645 --> 01:24:40,985
Did you ev ever do a title search of the property

1770
01:24:40,985 --> 01:24:42,345
before you closed on it?

1771
01:24:42,445 --> 01:24:44,585
Of course there's 2 2, 2 attorneys that went

1772
01:24:44,585 --> 01:24:45,945
through that did that also. Yes.

1773
01:24:45,975 --> 01:24:47,785
They didn't pick that up during that. No,

1774
01:24:49,125 --> 01:24:52,585
But Chris Dero did when he went in with Barb and Barb.

1775
01:24:52,585 --> 01:24:53,945
Barb helped me grab the deed

1776
01:24:53,945 --> 01:24:56,025
because I really truly don't know

1777
01:24:56,025 --> 01:24:57,065
what the hell I'm doing in there.

1778
01:24:57,365 --> 01:24:59,585
And it's aired black and white. Yep.

1779
01:25:00,245 --> 01:25:03,705
But it still falls back to the original, the original title

1780
01:25:04,015 --> 01:25:05,585
because they weren't notified.

1781
01:25:06,565 --> 01:25:08,945
So it falls back to the original tax sale

1782
01:25:09,095 --> 01:25:11,545
because the, the property, those other,

1783
01:25:11,545 --> 01:25:15,345
those subsequent title searches didn't matter

1784
01:25:16,105 --> 01:25:17,945
'cause the property wasn't saleable at the time.

1785
01:25:21,185 --> 01:25:24,505
I mean they, they usually, when title search is done,

1786
01:25:24,505 --> 01:25:27,505
they go way back right up to the day they're doing it.

1787
01:25:27,655 --> 01:25:29,105
They sure do Before the closing.

1788
01:25:29,125 --> 01:25:30,265
If the attorneys still practice

1789
01:25:30,595 --> 01:25:32,465
Check before the closing, he Has a mal practice

1790
01:25:32,465 --> 01:25:36,105
insurance policy, then he is the town.

1791
01:25:36,705 --> 01:25:38,625
I guess, I guess I don't understand why you're not going

1792
01:25:38,625 --> 01:25:41,425
after your attorney because he did title search on it,

1793
01:25:41,425 --> 01:25:43,625
didn't pick it up instead of going after the town.

1794
01:25:43,785 --> 01:25:46,225
I not, not, we'll take it personally. Just,

1795
01:25:46,425 --> 01:25:48,425
I I, I hopefully, hopefully you aren't either.

1796
01:25:48,885 --> 01:25:50,665
I'm paying $21,500

1797
01:25:50,665 --> 01:25:52,985
because of an error that, that an attorney

1798
01:25:53,185 --> 01:25:55,505
that the town hired made.

1799
01:25:55,505 --> 01:25:56,905
And he has malpractice insurance

1800
01:25:57,375 --> 01:25:59,465
that will cover the town in this situation

1801
01:25:59,965 --> 01:26:04,125
and the town should, it doesn't fall in my realm.

1802
01:26:06,505 --> 01:26:11,485
But based upon the evidence of this one sale,

1803
01:26:13,845 --> 01:26:16,045
I mean, I bought, I would, I would advise the account

1804
01:26:16,045 --> 01:26:20,245
to maybe have some of the tax sales of, of that generation

1805
01:26:21,185 --> 01:26:24,125
review because it was, it was scary.

1806
01:26:25,805 --> 01:26:27,205
I I know I bought a lot of property.

1807
01:26:27,365 --> 01:26:29,765
I know you don't And and I always have

1808
01:26:29,765 --> 01:26:30,885
a title search debt on it.

1809
01:26:30,945 --> 01:26:34,925
Yep. And if there's something's wrong in it, it has

1810
01:26:34,925 --> 01:26:37,205
to be corrected for your clothes on it or you don't

1811
01:26:37,425 --> 01:26:39,685
unless you decide you go buy it anyway. It

1812
01:26:39,685 --> 01:26:41,445
Is And there's and there's a liability in the

1813
01:26:41,445 --> 01:26:42,445
Plan.

1814
01:26:42,445 --> 01:26:43,125
My may I corrected my assumption,

1815
01:26:44,225 --> 01:26:48,525
but so I don't, I decide I don't, to me

1816
01:26:49,985 --> 01:26:51,205
it seems like you should be going

1817
01:26:51,205 --> 01:26:55,165
after your lawyers for not giving you a clean title on it.

1818
01:26:55,265 --> 01:26:56,765
Oh, IIII have a counsel

1819
01:26:56,765 --> 01:26:58,245
that is not my real estate attorney

1820
01:26:58,245 --> 01:26:59,445
that did the title search

1821
01:26:59,785 --> 01:27:02,565
and they, that that's her choice to make

1822
01:27:02,665 --> 01:27:04,005
who we initially go after.

1823
01:27:04,665 --> 01:27:06,845
It will ultimately, with two attorneys,

1824
01:27:07,135 --> 01:27:10,045
it'll ultimately trickle back to the fact

1825
01:27:10,045 --> 01:27:11,885
that the town had no right to sell the property

1826
01:27:14,785 --> 01:27:16,355
without notifying the legal.

1827
01:27:16,375 --> 01:27:19,675
If they, if they did properly, they, they,

1828
01:27:19,675 --> 01:27:21,315
they put the thing up for tax sale.

1829
01:27:21,315 --> 01:27:23,075
Right. And they have the tax sale,

1830
01:27:23,095 --> 01:27:25,635
but they don't actually close on the property that same day.

1831
01:27:27,195 --> 01:27:28,235
Probably it was 30 days later

1832
01:27:28,235 --> 01:27:29,595
that you probably actually closed on.

1833
01:27:29,595 --> 01:27:31,395
You gotta wait a year anyway to redeem it.

1834
01:27:31,445 --> 01:27:32,515
Right. But, but there could,

1835
01:27:32,515 --> 01:27:33,595
there could be a redemption period.

1836
01:27:33,595 --> 01:27:37,595
If they aren't notified, there's no redemption period.

1837
01:27:37,815 --> 01:27:41,795
If, if the two lien lien holders there is zero redemption

1838
01:27:41,795 --> 01:27:43,995
period, if they have not notified, they get,

1839
01:27:43,995 --> 01:27:46,635
they always have a claim on the property.

1840
01:27:47,115 --> 01:27:48,955
I understand what you're saying, but they

1841
01:27:48,955 --> 01:27:50,635
should pick that up if they did. I,

1842
01:27:51,505 --> 01:27:53,155
This I hundred percent agree with you,

1843
01:27:53,395 --> 01:27:54,395
I better hand up too.

1844
01:27:55,695 --> 01:27:58,835
But the original owner that bought it in the tax sale,

1845
01:27:58,935 --> 01:28:00,195
Mr. Sling or

1846
01:28:00,515 --> 01:28:04,155
Hil Hil, He's the one who bought it at the tax sale,

1847
01:28:04,575 --> 01:28:09,235
waited one year and a day and then it was his.

1848
01:28:09,575 --> 01:28:13,075
And then I understand within a few weeks it was yours. Yes.

1849
01:28:15,295 --> 01:28:16,435
You're a hundred percent correct.

1850
01:28:16,895 --> 01:28:18,795
So thanks for coming Chris.

1851
01:28:18,955 --> 01:28:21,755
I understand the predicament here.

1852
01:28:22,955 --> 01:28:24,995
I would just recommend that we add this

1853
01:28:24,995 --> 01:28:26,475
to the list of things to go over.

1854
01:28:27,885 --> 01:28:32,355
Sorry, I'm with you Cody. 100%. Right.

1855
01:28:32,355 --> 01:28:34,355
Like there's gonna be a lot of, we only know

1856
01:28:34,375 --> 01:28:35,875
so much I get it. I,

1857
01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:38,835
Yeah, I can't address, I can't address her

1858
01:28:38,835 --> 01:28:39,875
because of public meeting.

1859
01:28:40,395 --> 01:28:41,755
I haven't addressed the chair. Yeah,

1860
01:28:41,775 --> 01:28:44,195
No, I, It was, it was a good night to come

1861
01:28:44,195 --> 01:28:45,835
because the council is here and,

1862
01:28:45,855 --> 01:28:47,995
and yeah, Ryan is fully aware of this

1863
01:28:48,255 --> 01:28:50,195
and the board's aware of this and

1864
01:28:50,805 --> 01:28:53,195
Thank you for Somebody somewhere there.

1865
01:28:53,195 --> 01:28:55,195
You're exactly right. There's three attorneys

1866
01:28:55,195 --> 01:28:57,075
that are now involved in this.

1867
01:28:57,375 --> 01:28:59,235
It might be my own attorney who's doing

1868
01:28:59,235 --> 01:29:00,435
three more closings for me.

1869
01:29:00,495 --> 01:29:03,125
So it sucks. But you're exactly right.

1870
01:29:03,865 --> 01:29:06,325
But I'm just letting the town know as a citizen

1871
01:29:07,035 --> 01:29:09,405
that the attorney that we had hired for our tax sales,

1872
01:29:11,835 --> 01:29:14,845
it's a blatant and two other attorneys, Schiller

1873
01:29:14,845 --> 01:29:17,765
and then mine made blatant

1874
01:29:18,965 --> 01:29:19,965
Mistakes.

1875
01:29:19,965 --> 01:29:20,765
Mistakes, yeah.

1876
01:29:21,945 --> 01:29:24,085
So if that's, if that's on one of those,

1877
01:29:24,305 --> 01:29:25,445
we did a lot of tax deals.

1878
01:29:25,445 --> 01:29:28,245
Those are just a lot. And so

1879
01:29:28,995 --> 01:29:31,565
Have Just

1880
01:29:31,565 --> 01:29:32,565
Discuss it later.

1881
01:29:33,295 --> 01:29:34,645
We'll have discuss it and see what

1882
01:29:34,785 --> 01:29:35,785
No, I get, I get it.

1883
01:29:35,785 --> 01:29:39,285
And I just, I just wanted to, it, it sucks

1884
01:29:39,285 --> 01:29:40,685
because it looks like you're suing the town.

1885
01:29:41,465 --> 01:29:43,205
And the fact is, is that I think

1886
01:29:43,205 --> 01:29:44,365
people need to understand that.

1887
01:29:44,505 --> 01:29:45,645
That's why we hired counsel.

1888
01:29:46,435 --> 01:29:49,045
Okay. It, it wasn't you guys that made the decision

1889
01:29:49,045 --> 01:29:51,685
to sell that property and then said, oh, what do we do now?

1890
01:29:52,225 --> 01:29:54,325
We hired an expert. We paid an expert numbers

1891
01:29:54,945 --> 01:29:58,485
and whether it's the second attorney, the third attorney,

1892
01:29:58,505 --> 01:30:01,405
the fifth attorney, it's an attorney's responsibility

1893
01:30:01,425 --> 01:30:03,045
to make sure that I have sale the title

1894
01:30:03,865 --> 01:30:05,685
and not my, not my responsibility.

1895
01:30:05,845 --> 01:30:08,485
'cause I pay the fee. I hire you to do my water.

1896
01:30:09,005 --> 01:30:11,485
'cause I, I can't get an operated contractor say nothing

1897
01:30:11,485 --> 01:30:12,885
about, you know, so

1898
01:30:13,745 --> 01:30:14,745
That's, that's what I'm

1899
01:30:14,745 --> 01:30:15,605
Saying.

1900
01:30:15,605 --> 01:30:17,925
All we do is authorize the tax sales, but we don't, we're

1901
01:30:17,925 --> 01:30:19,805
Not totally, I totally totally get it.

1902
01:30:20,815 --> 01:30:23,245
Thank you for coming in and sharing it. Yep.

1903
01:30:23,705 --> 01:30:26,885
It sucks. We'll get we'll we'll get back to you on

1904
01:30:26,885 --> 01:30:28,605
that And we figure things out on our end.

1905
01:30:28,885 --> 01:30:30,525
I will. And I apologize if my counsel,

1906
01:30:30,725 --> 01:30:34,245
'cause I'm probably talking way out of church and Well she,

1907
01:30:34,265 --> 01:30:35,525
but my counsel wasn't here tonight

1908
01:30:35,525 --> 01:30:36,685
and I apologize 'cause she was gonna,

1909
01:30:37,275 --> 01:30:39,045
Well she just had to be here for another issue.

1910
01:30:39,105 --> 01:30:43,805
But she's gonna get plateful before she leaves. I know.

1911
01:30:43,805 --> 01:30:46,645
Now hours.

1912
01:30:48,355 --> 01:30:50,125
Well when we, when we had to sign a

1913
01:30:51,145 --> 01:30:55,405
signed a payroll warrant, know where that

1914
01:30:55,545 --> 01:30:56,565
that's the correct number.

1915
01:30:57,635 --> 01:31:02,085
Holy, exactly. Okay, so that'll conclude that for now.

1916
01:31:03,105 --> 01:31:05,405
Now next item is a health officer appointment.

1917
01:31:06,555 --> 01:31:09,325
Yeah, we just, Courtney Wade is interested in

1918
01:31:09,695 --> 01:31:10,885
being a health officer.

1919
01:31:10,975 --> 01:31:15,645
Again, Ms. Selectboard just needs to vote to appoint her so

1920
01:31:15,675 --> 01:31:17,205
that I can notify the state.

1921
01:31:18,885 --> 01:31:21,485
I make a motion to appoint court. I'll second that motion.

1922
01:31:23,395 --> 01:31:27,285
Well you don't want that job. I know you just

1923
01:31:27,835 --> 01:31:29,325
late about it every time you get it.

1924
01:31:30,165 --> 01:31:32,045
I do. Okay.

1925
01:31:32,765 --> 01:31:35,605
Opposed AB may seconded Any discussion on that?

1926
01:31:35,985 --> 01:31:40,645
No, nobody else wants to do it. Okay, good.

1927
01:31:41,385 --> 01:31:43,645
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed?

1928
01:31:47,075 --> 01:31:49,925
Okay. The 2 30, 36

1929
01:31:51,045 --> 01:31:52,285
LMP adoption.

1930
01:31:53,545 --> 01:31:54,965
So every year we have to go

1931
01:31:55,465 --> 01:31:59,885
and update the local emergency management plan

1932
01:32:01,235 --> 01:32:03,885
that has all the contacts of everybody who should be

1933
01:32:04,525 --> 01:32:06,845
involved in various emergencies that happen in town.

1934
01:32:07,725 --> 01:32:10,525
I went through and updated it didn't change

1935
01:32:10,625 --> 01:32:11,685
the body of the plan.

1936
01:32:11,745 --> 01:32:15,445
The plan is the same. I just updated my name

1937
01:32:16,425 --> 01:32:18,525
as the emergency management director

1938
01:32:19,185 --> 01:32:24,005
and our new, our new road foreman as

1939
01:32:25,625 --> 01:32:26,845
in the, in the categories.

1940
01:32:26,845 --> 01:32:30,965
He needed to be updated and removed.

1941
01:32:31,005 --> 01:32:33,405
A couple people who aren't with the town anymore

1942
01:32:33,785 --> 01:32:35,165
and updated some phone numbers.

1943
01:32:35,425 --> 01:32:38,325
But the body of the plan remains exactly the same

1944
01:32:38,325 --> 01:32:39,725
as it was last year.

1945
01:32:41,025 --> 01:32:43,565
But I just need to select board to go to adopt it.

1946
01:32:43,585 --> 01:32:45,805
And then I pass that off to the state.

1947
01:32:48,845 --> 01:32:50,685
I get through looks like find name.

1948
01:32:55,305 --> 01:32:59,205
The only thing I just EMS is Bear County EMS

1949
01:32:59,225 --> 01:33:00,325
No contact information.

1950
01:33:00,515 --> 01:33:02,085
That was the only one that everyone else

1951
01:33:02,105 --> 01:33:03,205
has a phone number to contact.

1952
01:33:04,795 --> 01:33:06,485
They had David's

1953
01:33:06,485 --> 01:33:07,485
Phone.

1954
01:33:07,485 --> 01:33:08,725
They have, I don't know if they have his,

1955
01:33:08,965 --> 01:33:10,005
I mean there's another spot that

1956
01:33:10,325 --> 01:33:11,325
I see there somewhere.

1957
01:33:11,345 --> 01:33:12,485
Oh, you're right. Yep. I can,

1958
01:33:12,625 --> 01:33:13,485
That's the only thing I

1959
01:33:13,505 --> 01:33:14,525
saw that I can put the phone number in there.

1960
01:33:14,525 --> 01:33:16,565
Yeah. Just it should have a contact. That was the only

1961
01:33:16,705 --> 01:33:17,925
On page three. Yep. On

1962
01:33:17,925 --> 01:33:18,925
Page three.

1963
01:33:19,265 --> 01:33:20,605
That's the only thing I saw. Everything.

1964
01:33:21,005 --> 01:33:22,125
Everyone else has a contact that,

1965
01:33:22,675 --> 01:33:23,965
Have you received his name in

1966
01:33:24,125 --> 01:33:25,405
Williams together with phone number

1967
01:33:28,585 --> 01:33:29,685
On Fire one for,

1968
01:33:41,445 --> 01:33:44,445
I mean Yeah, right there on page seven.

1969
01:33:46,125 --> 01:33:48,925
Silvie contacts. William Graham, his phone number.

1970
01:33:49,015 --> 01:33:51,045
David Danforth, his phone number. Yeah.

1971
01:33:51,265 --> 01:33:53,325
So I'll just make sure to throw that into the

1972
01:33:54,155 --> 01:33:55,155
Shelter Manager.

1973
01:33:55,155 --> 01:33:56,885
Where, where Marie, what, what is,

1974
01:33:56,885 --> 01:33:58,925
what is that Shelter manager? I don't understand

1975
01:33:58,925 --> 01:33:59,925
That one.

1976
01:33:59,925 --> 01:34:01,125
If we have to put up a shelter for any reason

1977
01:34:01,265 --> 01:34:03,565
and typically that's gonna be at the high school.

1978
01:34:03,755 --> 01:34:07,565
Okay. She will be the one heading up, you know, supplies

1979
01:34:07,705 --> 01:34:10,245
and organization and people management.

1980
01:34:10,635 --> 01:34:14,125
Okay. Fair enough Question. Bringing that up.

1981
01:34:14,405 --> 01:34:17,165
'cause when our flood two and the time flies was two

1982
01:34:17,165 --> 01:34:18,645
or three years ago, we get a flood every year.

1983
01:34:18,645 --> 01:34:21,645
But the big one Nice.

1984
01:34:21,945 --> 01:34:26,285
The high school was, I think the firehouse has the

1985
01:34:27,035 --> 01:34:30,085
cots, but if that's the emergency shelter,

1986
01:34:30,145 --> 01:34:32,045
it would be good if the high school has a

1987
01:34:32,065 --> 01:34:33,125
closet or something.

1988
01:34:34,585 --> 01:34:36,605
I'm just saying legitimately luck that

1989
01:34:36,605 --> 01:34:39,765
because I can surely say Meadow Street was part of the flood

1990
01:34:39,985 --> 01:34:42,765
and it would've been impossible, nearly possible that sense.

1991
01:34:42,865 --> 01:34:45,645
But To get things, I mean, I,

1992
01:34:46,615 --> 01:34:48,645
being a volunteer firefighter here,

1993
01:34:48,885 --> 01:34:52,245
I certainly brought up several residents as, you know,

1994
01:34:52,245 --> 01:34:53,725
route 14 was getting flooded.

1995
01:34:54,075 --> 01:34:57,085
This prior Meadow Street was, you know, gone. Yeah.

1996
01:34:57,425 --> 01:35:01,735
So it would be good just if that's our spot to have a way

1997
01:35:01,735 --> 01:35:04,695
for those people if they are being unhoused during a flut

1998
01:35:04,695 --> 01:35:07,895
or other emergency, that those supplies are up there.

1999
01:35:07,895 --> 01:35:08,895
That way we're not like,

2000
01:35:09,635 --> 01:35:11,575
oh sorry I get to sleep in the gym tonight.

2001
01:35:11,575 --> 01:35:13,575
But you're on the bleachers. Yeah, I did

2002
01:35:13,605 --> 01:35:17,055
Talk with Josh Bailey, who's the custodian out there?

2003
01:35:17,195 --> 01:35:18,375
He said there are co up

2004
01:35:18,375 --> 01:35:19,375
There.

2005
01:35:19,375 --> 01:35:20,575
Okay. Maybe there are, we have co down here too. Both

2006
01:35:20,575 --> 01:35:21,575
Places.

2007
01:35:21,575 --> 01:35:25,175
Okay. Yeah, so he has the whole set up. Okay. Okay.

2008
01:35:25,315 --> 01:35:27,895
Do you need the less piece's contact info there too?

2009
01:35:29,075 --> 01:35:31,135
Oh yeah. I'll put the last Visa number. I, we

2010
01:35:31,135 --> 01:35:32,295
Don't want to have to do this again.

2011
01:35:32,515 --> 01:35:33,515
Yep.

2012
01:35:39,955 --> 01:35:43,855
So is, I guess we need a motion to approve that as Amen.

2013
01:35:44,975 --> 01:35:46,615
I make a motion to approve it as amended.

2014
01:35:47,435 --> 01:35:50,495
Second Motion. Any discussion?

2015
01:35:52,275 --> 01:35:54,175
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

2016
01:35:58,165 --> 01:36:03,135
Okay, so next item is Foot Road Rehab Project.

2017
01:36:05,315 --> 01:36:08,855
As you know, we had a proposal out there for,

2018
01:36:09,995 --> 01:36:13,535
to redo 13 and a half miles a road

2019
01:36:14,075 --> 01:36:15,815
and for a million dollars bond.

2020
01:36:16,035 --> 01:36:17,375
And it passed the first time.

2021
01:36:17,555 --> 01:36:22,215
And the way it was set up wasn't quite the way the Bond bank

2022
01:36:22,215 --> 01:36:23,295
requires it to be.

2023
01:36:24,315 --> 01:36:28,575
So we had to redo it and it failed by 17 boats second time.

2024
01:36:28,755 --> 01:36:32,975
So anyway, the, the, the need is still there.

2025
01:36:35,975 --> 01:36:38,615
Roy and I did a tour

2026
01:36:40,235 --> 01:36:41,815
during the last part of Mud Season

2027
01:36:41,955 --> 01:36:46,775
and found areas that really need some drainage work

2028
01:36:46,955 --> 01:36:50,295
to the areas that we did last year with the drainage pipe.

2029
01:36:50,315 --> 01:36:53,055
And, and we'd done in previous years, there was zero issues.

2030
01:36:53,055 --> 01:36:55,775
There was no humps, no bumps, no water,

2031
01:36:56,035 --> 01:36:57,375
no, no mud, no nothing.

2032
01:36:58,835 --> 01:37:03,055
So one of the areas we looked at doing was Ter Hill,

2033
01:37:04,555 --> 01:37:07,815
the section on Gilbert Road and then,

2034
01:37:08,795 --> 01:37:11,895
but more on Flint Road that we were gonna do last year.

2035
01:37:11,995 --> 01:37:14,975
But the measurements were screwed up.

2036
01:37:14,995 --> 01:37:16,855
So we didn't have enough money to do it all.

2037
01:37:17,515 --> 01:37:20,015
But then there was an area above that

2038
01:37:20,085 --> 01:37:21,455
that, that really needs it.

2039
01:37:21,455 --> 01:37:22,775
Before we put any money into that road,

2040
01:37:26,395 --> 01:37:29,255
we picked Flint Road for an obvious reason.

2041
01:37:29,925 --> 01:37:33,855
Anybody in this room, what, what were you, how many,

2042
01:37:33,955 --> 01:37:37,505
how homes do you believe are on Flint Road

2043
01:37:38,165 --> 01:37:42,985
is 1.2, 2.4 miles between Flint Road, cold Springfield,

2044
01:37:44,525 --> 01:37:46,025
how many, how Flip Road serve?

2045
01:37:46,045 --> 01:37:47,665
How many homes do you think Flip Road serves?

2046
01:37:51,445 --> 01:37:53,305
25. How many?

2047
01:37:53,405 --> 01:37:54,905
25. 25. 25.

2048
01:37:55,105 --> 01:37:57,885
I'm gonna say 50. I think he closer. I think,

2049
01:37:58,005 --> 01:37:59,005
I think he's Closer.

2050
01:37:59,525 --> 01:38:01,165
I was guessing 40, 50 myself.

2051
01:38:01,295 --> 01:38:05,565
There was 80, 80 on that sort stretch I up to the last week.

2052
01:38:05,645 --> 01:38:06,645
I just count, there's three,

2053
01:38:06,645 --> 01:38:08,805
there's three vacant lots ready for homes.

2054
01:38:09,075 --> 01:38:13,045
There's 80 actual living residence directly have

2055
01:38:13,045 --> 01:38:15,325
to use Flip Road to, to get outta their place.

2056
01:38:15,955 --> 01:38:17,365
That doesn't count. You know,

2057
01:38:17,385 --> 01:38:19,925
people come from Cold Springs Road in that way.

2058
01:38:19,925 --> 01:38:22,365
That's just directly feeding into Flint Road.

2059
01:38:22,365 --> 01:38:24,965
George Road beating Mountain Road

2060
01:38:25,225 --> 01:38:27,765
and all the way on Flip Road itself.

2061
01:38:28,625 --> 01:38:32,925
We, we, we counted every place, all the way from the end

2062
01:38:32,925 --> 01:38:35,565
of the road to the four way intersection by the schools.

2063
01:38:35,865 --> 01:38:37,125
And I was surprised.

2064
01:38:37,945 --> 01:38:42,085
So we thought at that point that we had to use,

2065
01:38:42,085 --> 01:38:44,045
that would make a good test session.

2066
01:38:45,225 --> 01:38:47,525
And maybe we'll change the way we do things. The future.

2067
01:38:47,665 --> 01:38:52,005
We may just try to increase the highway budget to do such,

2068
01:38:52,355 --> 01:38:53,725
like something like this every year

2069
01:38:53,745 --> 01:38:55,645
or go for the bond and try to get more done.

2070
01:38:56,185 --> 01:38:59,045
But this would give a good solid

2071
01:39:00,755 --> 01:39:03,085
numbers for how much material it's gonna take.

2072
01:39:04,185 --> 01:39:06,405
How long, how long it take the town crew to do it.

2073
01:39:09,175 --> 01:39:11,845
Everything. So we go back for the bond boat,

2074
01:39:12,015 --> 01:39:13,685
we'll have this history right here.

2075
01:39:14,675 --> 01:39:17,725
It's gonna, and it is gonna serve all these people.

2076
01:39:17,945 --> 01:39:22,605
So I, I mean you take bass like baptist trees twice

2077
01:39:22,605 --> 01:39:24,365
as long, but I don't even think there's a quarter

2078
01:39:24,465 --> 01:39:26,965
of the people that there is on this stretch, you know,

2079
01:39:27,825 --> 01:39:28,845
so it'd be a good test.

2080
01:39:30,185 --> 01:39:33,965
So Ryan worked on, put stuff together.

2081
01:39:34,065 --> 01:39:35,965
We firstly thought maybe we could use

2082
01:39:36,545 --> 01:39:39,565
the 114,000 sitting there to pay the bond that we

2083
01:39:40,095 --> 01:39:41,485
could have if we approved.

2084
01:39:41,545 --> 01:39:43,405
But that Rob h right? They do.

2085
01:39:44,145 --> 01:39:45,805
So he worked with the treasurer and stuff

2086
01:39:45,805 --> 01:39:47,845
and we, we can do it our own.

2087
01:39:48,155 --> 01:39:50,285
I'll let, I'll let Ryan take it. Jimmy.

2088
01:39:51,195 --> 01:39:55,125
Yeah. So the, the details for a Flint road rehab project,

2089
01:39:56,865 --> 01:39:58,445
so it'd be about 1.8 miles.

2090
01:39:58,715 --> 01:39:59,805
We'd stop at Moore Road

2091
01:40:02,505 --> 01:40:06,125
and we'll do some very significant under drain work.

2092
01:40:06,165 --> 01:40:08,165
Ditching, culverts resurfacing.

2093
01:40:10,535 --> 01:40:14,325
We'll spend a little under $7,500

2094
01:40:14,745 --> 01:40:17,125
for the proper amount of feet for under drain.

2095
01:40:18,755 --> 01:40:20,805
Then we have Crush granite material

2096
01:40:21,545 --> 01:40:24,965
and we're figuring that the road about 22 feet wide,

2097
01:40:24,965 --> 01:40:26,885
sometimes it narrows down a little bit.

2098
01:40:26,985 --> 01:40:31,365
But that is the, the biggest cost

2099
01:40:31,365 --> 01:40:35,605
of the project at a 116,500 with the,

2100
01:40:35,745 --> 01:40:36,965
the use of the grand material.

2101
01:40:39,115 --> 01:40:42,725
Another 8,503 quarter inch stone.

2102
01:40:43,785 --> 01:40:47,125
And we need a filter fabric, which is 500 bucks for a roll

2103
01:40:47,355 --> 01:40:48,405
that will cover that.

2104
01:40:49,225 --> 01:40:51,845
And then the plant plant makes material comes in

2105
01:40:51,905 --> 01:40:53,525
to about $8,000.

2106
01:40:54,545 --> 01:40:56,005
So the, the, the total

2107
01:40:56,145 --> 01:41:00,405
for the entire project will be $140,942.

2108
01:41:02,225 --> 01:41:06,245
We have just over 96,000 in our current reserve fund.

2109
01:41:06,935 --> 01:41:07,995
And then when we switch

2110
01:41:08,015 --> 01:41:11,555
to our new fiscal year on July fir first we have another

2111
01:41:11,635 --> 01:41:12,755
150,000,

2112
01:41:14,165 --> 01:41:18,515
which gives us $246,268 per play with.

2113
01:41:20,815 --> 01:41:25,115
So we would have $105,326

2114
01:41:25,345 --> 01:41:27,115
left in the reserve.

2115
01:41:27,165 --> 01:41:28,795
Still to work on other areas

2116
01:41:29,125 --> 01:41:32,035
after completing the Flint Road project.

2117
01:41:32,895 --> 01:41:34,715
The only thing I didn't have on here for a number,

2118
01:41:34,995 --> 01:41:36,595
'cause I didn't have a quote yet, is

2119
01:41:37,685 --> 01:41:41,235
Larry talked about getting a hammer attachment that we could

2120
01:41:41,815 --> 01:41:45,035
use to get through ledge so we wouldn't have

2121
01:41:45,035 --> 01:41:46,115
to interrupt the drainage.

2122
01:41:47,535 --> 01:41:50,875
And I got a quote from United

2123
01:41:52,055 --> 01:41:54,315
and they can sell us a hammer attachment for

2124
01:41:54,975 --> 01:41:59,075
10,500 bucks so that we can

2125
01:41:59,455 --> 01:42:00,755
Is that a month? That's I install

2126
01:42:01,375 --> 01:42:03,435
That's that would that it would be ours. It's a

2127
01:42:03,435 --> 01:42:04,435
Hydraulic hammer.

2128
01:42:04,435 --> 01:42:06,635
Yeah. That, that price is installed on it.

2129
01:42:06,635 --> 01:42:09,035
We've got a a John Deere 60. Same as what?

2130
01:42:09,035 --> 01:42:10,355
We have one of those, we bought

2131
01:42:10,355 --> 01:42:12,955
that one fer a couple years ago. That works great.

2132
01:42:13,455 --> 01:42:16,075
That's, If you're gonna do ditch work

2133
01:42:17,215 --> 01:42:18,515
and you, you're going down through,

2134
01:42:18,515 --> 01:42:19,755
you're gonna hit some ledges here,

2135
01:42:19,755 --> 01:42:20,875
here and air streak ledge.

2136
01:42:20,895 --> 01:42:22,355
You can hammer it out with that.

2137
01:42:22,415 --> 01:42:24,675
So you can keep the ditch flowing like you should. Yeah.

2138
01:42:24,825 --> 01:42:27,435
Same thing with the, the secret to the under drain is

2139
01:42:28,175 --> 01:42:29,595
you gotta have it five feet, eight

2140
01:42:29,855 --> 01:42:30,995
and you gotta keep it going.

2141
01:42:31,775 --> 01:42:33,275
You can't just like go up over hump

2142
01:42:33,315 --> 01:42:34,435
a legend back down again.

2143
01:42:34,635 --> 01:42:37,075
'cause the water B bubble up in the road.

2144
01:42:38,015 --> 01:42:41,235
So if you're gonna do that kind of work, you almost a mo

2145
01:42:41,235 --> 01:42:42,915
otherwise you have to shut the project down

2146
01:42:43,055 --> 01:42:44,675
and wait for somebody to come with a hammer.

2147
01:42:45,255 --> 01:42:47,515
You're gonna eat up that $10,000 real fast.

2148
01:42:47,655 --> 01:42:49,635
Try to get somebody to come in every time you need it.

2149
01:42:49,655 --> 01:42:51,995
Hit a chunk of ledge. It would be a great

2150
01:42:52,225 --> 01:42:53,475
tool for the town to have.

2151
01:42:53,695 --> 01:42:56,875
So you're doing ditch work if there's any ridge of ledge

2152
01:42:56,875 --> 01:42:58,715
that's in the way, instead

2153
01:42:58,715 --> 01:43:00,355
of beating the machine stuff, trying to take it out.

2154
01:43:00,415 --> 01:43:04,115
Or you just get that, throw that hammer on, lock it out

2155
01:43:04,115 --> 01:43:05,275
and keep the ditch going.

2156
01:43:05,305 --> 01:43:09,195
Good. It's, it's a good stress enough.

2157
01:43:09,345 --> 01:43:10,515
It's, it's good investment.

2158
01:43:11,575 --> 01:43:12,675
It goes on the excavator.

2159
01:43:13,325 --> 01:43:16,635
It'll go right on town. 60 John Deere 60 excavator. Okay.

2160
01:43:17,015 --> 01:43:19,555
And where you'll, if you have like a water bean break

2161
01:43:19,555 --> 01:43:21,395
or something the winter time,

2162
01:43:21,475 --> 01:43:24,475
and this is frost needs, we break around it, broken

2163
01:43:24,475 --> 01:43:25,475
around it to fix it

2164
01:43:25,495 --> 01:43:26,795
or any other thing you need

2165
01:43:26,795 --> 01:43:28,715
to build jackhammer frost real good.

2166
01:43:28,735 --> 01:43:32,315
We, we use it for s if you're gonna do,

2167
01:43:32,415 --> 01:43:34,235
if we're gonna do the drainage work ourself,

2168
01:43:34,625 --> 01:43:36,475
like we did it last year, our company did it.

2169
01:43:36,475 --> 01:43:38,235
We had our own hammer and stuff to do it with.

2170
01:43:38,235 --> 01:43:41,475
We had to ledge clauses so much cubic carry we hit.

2171
01:43:41,655 --> 01:43:43,395
But, but the town's gonna do it.

2172
01:43:43,395 --> 01:43:45,435
You'll have to get somebody come in special to take

2173
01:43:45,435 --> 01:43:47,715
that ledge out and stop everything for

2174
01:43:48,895 --> 01:43:50,555
at least a day. Okay.

2175
01:43:51,465 --> 01:43:54,325
You got me sold on the, on the idea aspect of it.

2176
01:43:54,755 --> 01:43:57,605
Just outta curiosity, kind of like a quick,

2177
01:43:58,775 --> 01:44:00,965
quick change attachment on this. Take

2178
01:44:00,965 --> 01:44:05,205
Coffee with Within an hour from bucket the hammer

2179
01:44:05,705 --> 01:44:07,125
so you're not waiting half the day.

2180
01:44:07,765 --> 01:44:11,085
I know, I'm just, well I just wanna make sure the guys are

2181
01:44:11,085 --> 01:44:13,565
able to change that on the job and get it done.

2182
01:44:14,345 --> 01:44:16,165
But if you got there on site,

2183
01:44:16,775 --> 01:44:18,605
maybe take 15 minutes to put done.

2184
01:44:19,035 --> 01:44:22,445
Okay. As you should. As you should. Making sure.

2185
01:44:24,465 --> 01:44:25,645
So I mean if we're gonna do this,

2186
01:44:26,805 --> 01:44:28,765
I mean we went, we did numbers.

2187
01:44:29,005 --> 01:44:32,125
I was a little bitter last year on it at $75 a foot

2188
01:44:32,985 --> 01:44:36,965
and we, with all the footage we're put in, it's,

2189
01:44:37,235 --> 01:44:39,125
it's like 200 something thousand dollars.

2190
01:44:39,865 --> 01:44:41,445
It would cost to have something like a

2191
01:44:41,445 --> 01:44:42,485
contractor come in and do it.

2192
01:44:42,665 --> 01:44:43,765
We can do it with our guys,

2193
01:44:44,025 --> 01:44:46,245
but they just need the tools to work with to get it done.

2194
01:44:47,145 --> 01:44:49,965
So if they, you know, they run in a trunk of ledge,

2195
01:44:49,965 --> 01:44:52,925
they're gonna cut this stop 'cause somebody comes

2196
01:44:52,925 --> 01:44:57,005
and removes it or they, I ain't gonna mention any names,

2197
01:44:57,025 --> 01:44:58,645
but they have had some down in the past.

2198
01:45:00,075 --> 01:45:01,325
They didn't get it down the right depth.

2199
01:45:01,385 --> 01:45:05,685
If you don't get down five feet, the road freezes down

2200
01:45:05,825 --> 01:45:09,405
to three feet or three or four feet and pipes at three feet.

2201
01:45:09,905 --> 01:45:12,965
All water and stuff is froze around it and it don't work.

2202
01:45:13,385 --> 01:45:16,685
So you gotta have it down low enough so the water gets down

2203
01:45:16,685 --> 01:45:18,525
below across and drains out.

2204
01:45:18,745 --> 01:45:20,885
And if you put it in, you do it right.

2205
01:45:21,825 --> 01:45:23,405
The problem solves it.

2206
01:45:24,425 --> 01:45:27,165
So, but you're gonna need to, you're gonna need a hammer.

2207
01:45:27,325 --> 01:45:29,725
I definitely gotta run ahead of ledge here and here.

2208
01:45:29,755 --> 01:45:31,765
It's just the way it is around here.

2209
01:45:33,145 --> 01:45:35,325
I'm, I'm all for the hammer. I gotta,

2210
01:45:36,745 --> 01:45:37,745
Oh, I'm Sorry Cody.

2211
01:45:37,745 --> 01:45:41,445
No, you're, I was just thinking out loud is,

2212
01:45:41,625 --> 01:45:44,365
and I'm assuming you've talked with Ellen Yeah.

2213
01:45:44,455 --> 01:45:46,365
About this and he's pretty confident that Yep.

2214
01:45:46,395 --> 01:45:48,685
They can handle this and Absolutely. Okay. Alright.

2215
01:45:48,685 --> 01:45:51,085
He just wants to know what he can start. Okay.

2216
01:45:52,425 --> 01:45:54,845
Or if he can start, do, did they give,

2217
01:45:54,845 --> 01:45:57,605
like do you guys have like a timeline ish

2218
01:45:57,705 --> 01:46:00,125
or like this is about how long you think it would take

2219
01:46:00,305 --> 01:46:01,765
or? I'm not sure

2220
01:46:01,765 --> 01:46:02,765
Of that one.

2221
01:46:02,765 --> 01:46:04,085
They should be able to do this a couple weeks time.

2222
01:46:04,465 --> 01:46:07,205
Not the drainage part but the roof surface itself.

2223
01:46:08,225 --> 01:46:10,405
The drainage part will probably take, that was

2224
01:46:12,385 --> 01:46:13,685
2,500 feet.

2225
01:46:14,325 --> 01:46:16,885
There'll be a couple weeks on that.

2226
01:46:16,985 --> 01:46:19,725
At least three different sections.

2227
01:46:20,115 --> 01:46:21,605
Okay. Just getting the drainage

2228
01:46:21,605 --> 01:46:23,725
and then top dust after that. Yeah.

2229
01:46:23,985 --> 01:46:27,365
Do the drainage first, then do the ditch it in drainage

2230
01:46:27,365 --> 01:46:28,685
and whatever colors need to be done.

2231
01:46:28,705 --> 01:46:31,805
And then the road service would be last thing. Yes.

2232
01:46:33,075 --> 01:46:37,885
It'd be be an excellent test run to go going forward.

2233
01:46:37,935 --> 01:46:40,485
We'll know exactly what the road crews capable of doing

2234
01:46:40,505 --> 01:46:42,845
and how much they could do in a week's time

2235
01:46:42,945 --> 01:46:46,685
and you know, may feet what the cost will be.

2236
01:46:48,105 --> 01:46:49,805
And I, I think that road

2237
01:46:49,805 --> 01:46:52,405
or that many homes on it was a good, good spot

2238
01:46:52,405 --> 01:46:54,085
to start in, in my opinion.

2239
01:46:54,345 --> 01:46:55,345
But

2240
01:46:55,585 --> 01:46:58,085
Did, and this is kind of a side question,

2241
01:46:58,185 --> 01:47:00,645
but kind of has to crawl back to this.

2242
01:47:00,645 --> 01:47:02,205
Do you know with all the grading that's been done,

2243
01:47:02,225 --> 01:47:03,845
are they using the roller afterwards?

2244
01:47:04,785 --> 01:47:07,925
It sounds like the roller gets used just when they put

2245
01:47:07,925 --> 01:47:09,005
down the calcium core.

2246
01:47:10,265 --> 01:47:11,265
Is that

2247
01:47:12,195 --> 01:47:14,055
It was my understanding that we bought the roller.

2248
01:47:14,235 --> 01:47:17,095
So every time the road's graded you go over.

2249
01:47:17,315 --> 01:47:19,375
Oh yeah. But this is a different type of situation. No,

2250
01:47:19,415 --> 01:47:20,895
I I know my, my point with

2251
01:47:20,895 --> 01:47:23,775
that is being if we purchased a roller for

2252
01:47:23,775 --> 01:47:25,015
that purpose Yeah.

2253
01:47:25,105 --> 01:47:28,215
Spent money and it's not being used,

2254
01:47:28,305 --> 01:47:30,335
we're not gaining the benefits from it.

2255
01:47:31,055 --> 01:47:32,495
I don't want to get into the situation

2256
01:47:32,495 --> 01:47:35,455
where we're buying equipment and it's not being used. Yeah.

2257
01:47:35,815 --> 01:47:37,775
I mean I I can ask him

2258
01:47:37,885 --> 01:47:38,895
What I know it used.

2259
01:47:39,335 --> 01:47:40,575
I know the hammer would used the roller

2260
01:47:41,085 --> 01:47:43,975
They use is the purpose of that roller is

2261
01:47:43,985 --> 01:47:46,935
after they grade the road to roll it put Clara on it.

2262
01:47:46,955 --> 01:47:48,615
Yes. Yeah. You need a vibratory roller

2263
01:47:48,715 --> 01:47:50,135
for this project initially.

2264
01:47:50,245 --> 01:47:51,975
Yeah. And after that, when they grade it,

2265
01:47:51,975 --> 01:47:53,295
they'll use a, a roller.

2266
01:47:53,725 --> 01:47:54,815
Yeah. I I get that.

2267
01:47:54,915 --> 01:47:58,135
My, it, my thing is I just don't wanna spend money on

2268
01:47:58,135 --> 01:48:00,655
equipment if we aren't gonna use it.

2269
01:48:00,665 --> 01:48:02,455
Right. Because it seems like the roller

2270
01:48:02,485 --> 01:48:05,415
that we purchased isn't really being used like

2271
01:48:05,415 --> 01:48:06,455
it was intended to be.

2272
01:48:07,045 --> 01:48:09,415
It's just not being used. Yeah.

2273
01:48:09,545 --> 01:48:11,175
Which means the roads aren't lasting

2274
01:48:11,175 --> 01:48:12,295
as long from the grading,

2275
01:48:12,295 --> 01:48:14,055
which was the whole point of buying the roller.

2276
01:48:16,275 --> 01:48:20,495
So I just, I don't wanna see this when we do jobs like this

2277
01:48:21,205 --> 01:48:23,815
that to carry over where we're purchasing equipment

2278
01:48:24,235 --> 01:48:25,655
but then the equipment's not getting

2279
01:48:25,765 --> 01:48:27,895
used. You know, like, well

2280
01:48:27,895 --> 01:48:29,455
That, that hammer will sit there, do nothing

2281
01:48:29,505 --> 01:48:30,735
until you, this chunk of ledge.

2282
01:48:30,945 --> 01:48:32,775
Right. I I get that. I get that.

2283
01:48:33,015 --> 01:48:34,815
I just, it's just in the back of my head just

2284
01:48:35,305 --> 01:48:36,375
Where I was going with it.

2285
01:48:37,115 --> 01:48:40,015
Do you live on that road? A good place for that?

2286
01:48:40,015 --> 01:48:42,375
That's gonna get used and I'm gonna recommend it

2287
01:48:42,375 --> 01:48:46,175
after is between the two Martins.

2288
01:48:46,355 --> 01:48:49,375
Yep. Where the road always washes on the Baptist Street.

2289
01:48:49,635 --> 01:48:51,175
Yep. And I know it's ledge.

2290
01:48:51,335 --> 01:48:52,935
I know that's why there's no ditch there.

2291
01:48:53,675 --> 01:48:55,455
You're talking about on the tree side? No,

2292
01:48:55,755 --> 01:48:57,095
The Opposite side. The other side. Okay.

2293
01:48:57,715 --> 01:48:59,095
It always runs down there

2294
01:48:59,635 --> 01:49:02,665
and I know that's why it's not ditched.

2295
01:49:03,495 --> 01:49:06,385
It's gonna slide you and that'll be a great place to

2296
01:49:06,535 --> 01:49:08,665
Yeah, I actually just talked to him today about that.

2297
01:49:09,605 --> 01:49:11,465
So different thing, but yes. Okay.

2298
01:49:12,255 --> 01:49:14,105
When you Baptist Street, if it ever get to

2299
01:49:14,105 --> 01:49:16,705
that rehab project there, that road would be up nine inches.

2300
01:49:16,765 --> 01:49:19,345
So help some fire, get some sort of addiction. Yeah.

2301
01:49:20,325 --> 01:49:23,825
But but still, I mean it's gonna cost

2302
01:49:24,735 --> 01:49:28,305
with the amount of footage you're gonna do between and road

2303
01:49:28,325 --> 01:49:31,865
and flip road, I guarantee you're going hit ledge at least

2304
01:49:31,865 --> 01:49:32,945
three, four times I guess.

2305
01:49:33,175 --> 01:49:34,785
Like Oh no doubt.

2306
01:49:35,045 --> 01:49:36,465
And then if you have to stop everything

2307
01:49:36,465 --> 01:49:39,585
and get somebody come and do it, probably gonna spend two,

2308
01:49:39,585 --> 01:49:42,225
$3,000 every time just trying to get something

2309
01:49:42,225 --> 01:49:43,345
that they could have just put

2310
01:49:43,345 --> 01:49:45,385
that on in a couple hours time had gone through it

2311
01:49:46,045 --> 01:49:47,805
and you're going to, you probably

2312
01:49:48,685 --> 01:49:50,085
probably spend the $10,000

2313
01:49:50,085 --> 01:49:51,725
hiring somebody else to come do it for you.

2314
01:49:51,755 --> 01:49:54,565
Sure. And then you'll have this to go on for years to come.

2315
01:49:55,515 --> 01:49:57,365
They do, they do require maintenance.

2316
01:49:57,945 --> 01:50:00,365
You know, they gotta make sure you pump 'em the grease.

2317
01:50:00,565 --> 01:50:02,045
'cause if you don't grease 'em they'll wear out.

2318
01:50:02,065 --> 01:50:05,725
And my like my big one, I got one

2319
01:50:05,725 --> 01:50:07,405
that goes on a big excavator

2320
01:50:08,265 --> 01:50:10,125
and we haven't had to do the little one yet

2321
01:50:10,125 --> 01:50:11,365
because we haven't used that much.

2322
01:50:11,425 --> 01:50:12,605
But you know,

2323
01:50:12,605 --> 01:50:16,045
you're looking at $25,000 rebuild on on that size.

2324
01:50:16,105 --> 01:50:18,365
The little one I'm guessing probably 5,000.

2325
01:50:18,465 --> 01:50:21,525
But, but you know, if they take, if you keep it greased good

2326
01:50:21,525 --> 01:50:23,965
and maintained it, it'll last a long time.

2327
01:50:25,475 --> 01:50:26,475
Okay.

2328
01:50:27,265 --> 01:50:29,285
My question, I just looked at the,

2329
01:50:30,185 --> 01:50:32,125
the road rehab project letter

2330
01:50:32,945 --> 01:50:34,885
and Flint Road's on it was,

2331
01:50:35,025 --> 01:50:36,765
is there a reason Flint Road over the other

2332
01:50:37,465 --> 01:50:39,485
versus Martin versus Baptist versus Chelsea,

2333
01:50:39,495 --> 01:50:42,205
south Hill Tower George Sheer amount of people that the 80.

2334
01:50:43,065 --> 01:50:44,725
So it's the amount of residents that live there. Okay.

2335
01:50:44,725 --> 01:50:47,445
That's, that was my question by that road versus

2336
01:50:48,145 --> 01:50:49,685
See if they can get more bang for the buck

2337
01:50:49,685 --> 01:50:52,605
and that's when you get anywhere out for, for the

2338
01:50:52,605 --> 01:50:53,605
Mileage.

2339
01:50:53,605 --> 01:50:54,525
I just didn't know if there was worse roads.

2340
01:50:54,525 --> 01:50:55,885
That was my my biggest question.

2341
01:50:56,315 --> 01:50:59,245
That was right. They're all in bad shape.

2342
01:50:59,245 --> 01:51:00,725
That's why I tell mean this.

2343
01:51:00,725 --> 01:51:03,005
They're all in a first place tie for the worst. Okay.

2344
01:51:04,265 --> 01:51:06,125
But this one gets it because they have the most residence.

2345
01:51:08,855 --> 01:51:12,605
Makes sense. We see areas when we're checking roads that

2346
01:51:13,775 --> 01:51:15,925
there was ditch work done previously

2347
01:51:15,925 --> 01:51:17,765
that was on the hill like this never,

2348
01:51:17,815 --> 01:51:18,885
never ripped wrapped it.

2349
01:51:19,035 --> 01:51:21,325
It's all washed out Rees down through it.

2350
01:51:22,425 --> 01:51:23,565
It would've been done correctly.

2351
01:51:23,565 --> 01:51:24,685
They wouldn't have had that issue.

2352
01:51:27,105 --> 01:51:28,525
The downstream is plugged with dirt

2353
01:51:28,525 --> 01:51:29,765
because it's all washed out.

2354
01:51:32,625 --> 01:51:33,965
And my biggest thing too is the town.

2355
01:51:33,965 --> 01:51:35,205
That was the only question I actually wrote down.

2356
01:51:35,205 --> 01:51:38,605
It's the town doing the work. No private contractors. Yep.

2357
01:51:39,785 --> 01:51:41,365
And if there are any private contractors,

2358
01:51:41,465 --> 01:51:44,045
if you know something comes up outta left

2359
01:51:44,045 --> 01:51:45,565
field, those will go to bid.

2360
01:51:45,705 --> 01:51:49,405
Yep. 'cause it's not an emergency situation. Correct.

2361
01:51:49,865 --> 01:51:51,125
The only thing you're gonna need it

2362
01:51:51,905 --> 01:51:53,325
is hire maybe a couple dump trucks

2363
01:51:53,325 --> 01:51:54,405
when you're doing any overlay.

2364
01:51:55,865 --> 01:52:00,325
That's just normal. Yeah. Chris

2365
01:52:00,345 --> 01:52:02,045
Is there is a passable or unpassable

2366
01:52:02,045 --> 01:52:03,325
during the construction.

2367
01:52:03,385 --> 01:52:04,685
What's that Passable

2368
01:52:04,685 --> 01:52:06,645
or unpassable during the construction?

2369
01:52:06,915 --> 01:52:08,645
Will that section of road be passable?

2370
01:52:08,955 --> 01:52:11,565
Will there be a one lane at least that people can pass on?

2371
01:52:11,565 --> 01:52:13,445
Or will you actually have to shut down that stretch

2372
01:52:13,445 --> 01:52:14,445
Of road?

2373
01:52:14,445 --> 01:52:16,365
It is a narrow spots in the road that we Okay.

2374
01:52:16,595 --> 01:52:18,165
There's ways around Boths.

2375
01:52:18,345 --> 01:52:19,805
No, I know there's ways around.

2376
01:52:19,875 --> 01:52:21,045
It's just notifying the,

2377
01:52:21,045 --> 01:52:22,485
the residents I think is pretty important.

2378
01:52:22,665 --> 01:52:25,645
The most economical way they can do it is to

2379
01:52:26,295 --> 01:52:27,685
close the road to through traffic.

2380
01:52:27,795 --> 01:52:29,405
Yeah. Because you know this areas

2381
01:52:29,405 --> 01:52:30,965
where you can't because you only, it's

2382
01:52:30,965 --> 01:52:31,965
They cheap.

2383
01:52:31,965 --> 01:52:35,085
You're $1,743 is the budget based upon the number

2384
01:52:35,085 --> 01:52:36,165
of residents you guys counted.

2385
01:52:36,755 --> 01:52:38,165
There's no question that's the best

2386
01:52:38,165 --> 01:52:39,365
bang for our buck for road.

2387
01:52:39,915 --> 01:52:42,805
It's just residents should, some

2388
01:52:42,805 --> 01:52:44,565
of those guys are gonna have long drive around

2389
01:52:45,425 --> 01:52:46,525
Put the which engine,

2390
01:52:46,525 --> 01:52:47,965
which end of the railroad you live on.

2391
01:52:47,965 --> 01:52:49,405
You know, there's two ways of looking at it.

2392
01:52:49,605 --> 01:52:52,165
Railroad's getting done, others aren't. So yeah, it's

2393
01:52:52,165 --> 01:52:53,165
Not going one K anymore.

2394
01:52:54,235 --> 01:52:56,165
Okay. I'm done. Some of them were this year.

2395
01:52:56,355 --> 01:52:58,245
Yeah. Alright.

2396
01:52:58,435 --> 01:53:02,925
Yeah, I don't, so should we make a motion on us?

2397
01:53:04,235 --> 01:53:07,245
I'll, I'll make a motion to go ahead

2398
01:53:08,555 --> 01:53:11,845
with this project and purchase the hammer.

2399
01:53:14,155 --> 01:53:16,565
I'll second that. Motion. Motion made and seconded.

2400
01:53:17,065 --> 01:53:20,245
Any further discussion? All in favor?

2401
01:53:24,145 --> 01:53:26,525
The boys got some work. Do now. Yeah.

2402
01:53:30,425 --> 01:53:33,045
You be flood road commission before we get done with you.

2403
01:53:34,725 --> 01:53:35,645
Probably gonna be a lawyer too.

2404
01:53:43,595 --> 01:53:45,885
Okay. Now we got a liquor license for the

2405
01:53:46,885 --> 01:53:48,005
embers. I think it's,

2406
01:53:48,665 --> 01:53:49,965
Oh this is the new Place, right?

2407
01:53:50,035 --> 01:53:51,965
Yeah. I'm not quite sure about address

2408
01:53:55,085 --> 01:53:56,085
business is Lila's way.

2409
01:53:56,325 --> 01:53:57,565
I mean that's

2410
01:53:57,565 --> 01:53:59,085
Where she, that's where she, that's

2411
01:53:59,085 --> 01:54:00,085
Address.

2412
01:54:00,085 --> 01:54:00,885
I kept looking at that every time.

2413
01:54:01,025 --> 01:54:02,765
I'm like, why putting a fire?

2414
01:54:03,995 --> 01:54:05,325
Yeah. No that's where they reside.

2415
01:54:05,555 --> 01:54:08,285
They bought last year they bought Route 14

2416
01:54:10,145 --> 01:54:13,525
and it's going to be a new restaurant.

2417
01:54:14,475 --> 01:54:16,565
It's supposed to be opening, I believe the end this

2418
01:54:16,565 --> 01:54:18,565
month. I'm not sure

2419
01:54:18,595 --> 01:54:21,445
That where where, where is this gonna be located? Right?

2420
01:54:21,455 --> 01:54:22,525
Right beside that lot.

2421
01:54:22,525 --> 01:54:24,285
Right there in the house. Toward the house down.

2422
01:54:24,945 --> 01:54:26,285
Oh okay. Where I lived.

2423
01:54:26,625 --> 01:54:28,845
Oh, there's two houses that were for sale. Right?

2424
01:54:28,945 --> 01:54:31,325
Oh, okay. Yes. Right across the town hall.

2425
01:54:31,625 --> 01:54:33,565
Oh, it's called the embers.

2426
01:54:34,225 --> 01:54:38,085
So they've applied where they're outside first class.

2427
01:54:38,575 --> 01:54:39,845
Think third class

2428
01:54:43,215 --> 01:54:44,215
Damon yet?

2429
01:54:44,785 --> 01:54:47,005
What's that? We usually just,

2430
01:54:47,185 --> 01:54:48,605
we usually approve these pending.

2431
01:54:49,025 --> 01:54:51,845
No they have not. No, they have not paid yet. So. Okay.

2432
01:54:53,705 --> 01:54:56,565
And I have not heard from your rock solid

2433
01:54:56,575 --> 01:54:57,575
Fruit.

2434
01:54:57,575 --> 01:54:59,085
I think they're still still good

2435
01:54:59,085 --> 01:55:00,165
till the end of the month isn't it?

2436
01:55:00,165 --> 01:55:01,485
They're still good till the end of the month.

2437
01:55:01,595 --> 01:55:03,085
Yeah. So that, that's our business

2438
01:55:03,085 --> 01:55:04,165
manager will take care of that.

2439
01:55:04,275 --> 01:55:06,645
Okay. So we'll bring that. That's outta my hands.

2440
01:55:07,195 --> 01:55:11,925
Okay. So, so right now it's just the embers.

2441
01:55:12,265 --> 01:55:15,805
So do you wanna approve pending payment?

2442
01:55:17,075 --> 01:55:18,325
Same as we've done in the past?

2443
01:55:19,875 --> 01:55:22,405
Same as we've done in the past? Yeah. Yeah.

2444
01:55:24,035 --> 01:55:26,045
Just quick. I guess I, okay.

2445
01:55:26,145 --> 01:55:28,885
Can I hear a motion on that? I I make a motion.

2446
01:55:29,435 --> 01:55:31,405
Make a motion. Yeah. I second it.

2447
01:55:31,425 --> 01:55:33,925
Motion be seconded. Any discussion? I

2448
01:55:33,925 --> 01:55:34,925
Just have a question.

2449
01:55:34,925 --> 01:55:36,085
'cause Mark said what is the difference

2450
01:55:36,085 --> 01:55:37,205
between a first and a third class

2451
01:55:37,785 --> 01:55:39,965
Or One is hard luck.

2452
01:55:41,945 --> 01:55:43,405
I'm not sure if that's first or third.

2453
01:55:44,105 --> 01:55:45,325
So the, so basically ger

2454
01:55:45,585 --> 01:55:46,685
One is, is hard.

2455
01:55:47,115 --> 01:55:50,125
Okay. Liquor. The other is probably

2456
01:55:50,845 --> 01:55:52,965
a beer wine I would've imagine.

2457
01:55:53,275 --> 01:55:55,405
Yeah. And then outside consumption, either

2458
01:55:55,405 --> 01:55:57,005
They're gonna have like a porch or something.

2459
01:55:57,005 --> 01:55:59,485
Okay. And you can bring, you drinks that out on

2460
01:55:59,485 --> 01:56:01,685
The porch because I believe, I'm assuming the pub has

2461
01:56:01,685 --> 01:56:04,405
that just Yes, but they have to stay on that porch.

2462
01:56:04,425 --> 01:56:07,045
The pub, just the pub just got theirs. Okay.

2463
01:56:07,565 --> 01:56:10,925
I have not received dollar general's yet either, but But

2464
01:56:12,585 --> 01:56:13,585
That's one.

2465
01:56:13,585 --> 01:56:15,205
Yeah. They can go off the porch. Okay.

2466
01:56:15,305 --> 01:56:17,125
Yes. It's an outside where you can,

2467
01:56:17,315 --> 01:56:18,805
Okay, that's, those are just My questions.

2468
01:56:18,805 --> 01:56:20,045
It's like down to the den. They have

2469
01:56:20,045 --> 01:56:22,365
that fenced in area that they have stake. Okay.

2470
01:56:22,365 --> 01:56:23,405
Off to the right side of the building.

2471
01:56:27,115 --> 01:56:31,005
Everybody all set? All in favor? Aye. Opposed?

2472
01:56:32,475 --> 01:56:37,245
Okay, now the table. Doug, you everything I Scott? Nope.

2473
01:56:38,475 --> 01:56:42,525
Clayton? Nope. Alright, we're all set.

2474
01:56:43,565 --> 01:56:47,085
I need a motion to take a brief recess at your executive

2475
01:56:47,085 --> 01:56:48,965
session for legal issues.

2476
01:56:49,685 --> 01:56:51,685
Motion to take a five minute recess

2477
01:56:51,945 --> 01:56:55,005
and then enter executive session for legal

2478
01:56:55,345 --> 01:56:56,345
Issues.

2479
01:56:56,715 --> 01:57:00,405
I'll show you that. One second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

2480
01:57:01,005 --> 01:57:03,965
I remembered to say what for this number. Thank everyone for

2481
03:20:14,005 --> 03:20:15,005
Mute.

2482
03:20:15,005 --> 03:20:17,295
And then do we have to vote come out before or

2483
03:20:17,295 --> 03:20:18,735
after we had to come out first?

2484
03:20:19,835 --> 03:20:22,175
No, you're gonna vote. You, you gotta be on,

2485
03:20:23,055 --> 03:20:24,095
we were off camera too, right?

2486
03:20:24,115 --> 03:20:25,115
Yes, yes, absolutely.

2487
03:20:26,555 --> 03:20:28,205
Come out executive session. I make

2488
03:20:28,205 --> 03:20:29,205
A motion to come out.

2489
03:20:29,205 --> 03:20:30,325
Executive session. I'll second that. Motion.

2490
03:20:30,325 --> 03:20:31,805
Motion raise Second. All in favor?

2491
03:20:32,545 --> 03:20:35,205
Aye. All right.

2492
03:20:35,345 --> 03:20:39,445
So I make a motion to authorize Ryan to work

2493
03:20:39,445 --> 03:20:41,885
with legal counsel and the animal control officer

2494
03:20:42,065 --> 03:20:44,645
to draft a decision consistent

2495
03:20:44,955 --> 03:20:46,965
with our deliberative discussion

2496
03:20:48,355 --> 03:20:49,355
Here.

2497
03:20:49,355 --> 03:20:50,125
Second, I make motion May

2498
03:20:50,125 --> 03:20:54,245
and seconded any further discussion? All in favor?

2499
03:20:54,745 --> 03:20:59,165
Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? I settle.

2500
03:20:59,475 --> 03:21:03,925
Make a motion to adjourn. Second. That motion? All in favor?

2501
03:21:04,385 --> 03:21:04,925
Aye. Aye.