[0:00] Seven o'clock.
[0:04] Okay, we call the meeting order for the Monday,
[0:08] September 14th, 2026.
[0:10] Williamstown Select board meeting for site of the agenda is
[0:15] to pledge of allegiance
[0:24] To the flag of the United States of America
[0:28] and drew to Republic for which it stands.
[0:30] One Nation honor God, indivisible, with liberty
[0:34] and justice for all.
[0:41] Next item is set the agenda.
[0:44] Brian just asked me if he could run a proposal by us.
[0:50] This wasn't wor so we, there's nothing we could vote on,
[0:53] but we could list what he is gotta say
[0:55] and then it's definitely gonna have
[0:58] to have some research done to it.
[0:59] So, does anybody have any objections to that?
[1:02] No. No. So we'll put you in
[1:06] after the presentation from Du Bois and King.
[1:08] So you won't have to sit through all the other stuff. Judge.
[1:11] It'll be a second. So just I'll tell you when it's time.
[1:13] Okay.
[1:18] And one other thing that I know,
[1:19] if we have another payroll warrant
[1:21] for nine 11 needs to be added to.
[1:23] Yep, yep, yep. Anybody else have anything?
[1:26] Nope. I have a motion on the agenda.
[1:32] Make a motion to accept that as amended. Second.
[1:35] Motion made Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed?
[1:41] I Review of open public comments has eliminated
[1:45] paper out on the shelf back there.
[1:47] If anybody's interested in how the meetings are run,
[1:50] welcome to take a look at it.
[1:54] Is there any select more announcements?
[2:00] I would like to behalf
[2:02] of the town welcome a new business in town called Embers.
[2:06] We tried it out the other night. It's very, very good.
[2:08] So we're fortunate now we have three restaurants in town.
[2:12] Yeah, couple bars actually all three of 'em have liquorice.
[2:15] So, but it, it was very good.
[2:17] Very nice and glad to see him in town.
[2:23] Any public announcements,
[2:28] commission committees, trustees, virtue service reports,
[2:32] other board announcements,
[2:36] Youth sports.
[2:37] The next three weekends we got events over at the field.
[2:40] So this coming Saturday we have our third
[2:42] and fourth grade jamboree following Saturdays.
[2:45] Our first and second grade jamboree.
[2:47] And then the first weekend in October is the
[2:49] fifth and sixth grade World Cup.
[2:51] We got the lights, we got scoreboard. Kids love it.
[2:55] Come check it out. It's a good time.
[2:58] Extra parking. Extra parking.
[3:00] Yep. It all worked out well this way. Good, good.
[3:06] Okay. Next item is approval of the warrants.
[3:08] Do you two have any that you can't be involved in?
[3:12] Yes.
[3:18] Not the warrants for me. Just, just the payroll warrant
[3:20] For me.
[3:21] I cannot be So you go first
[3:23] For me.
[3:24] It's just one of the payroll warrants.
[3:25] Okay. I cannot be involved with 22,210.
[3:31] So 2 2 2 1 0 22 2 10.
[3:33] Yeah. Okay.
[3:37] So let's do 'em all except for 22, 2 10.
[3:43] Does someone have a motion on that?
[3:46] I make a motion to approve those. Written
[3:48] With With it.
[3:50] With it. Object. 22 2 1 0.
[3:54] Mayor second. I'll second. That motion May 2nd.
[3:58] Any further discussion I have on
[4:04] 22, 2 0 9.
[4:27] Very top item is a mailbox post.
[4:32] $814.
[4:36] Our standard procedure on mailbox posts that get hit
[4:39] by snowplows is what you say it was?
[4:42] 45. 45
[4:43] Bucks.
[4:45] Yeah. So I don't believe,
[4:48] I guess this is a nice granite post one, But
[4:53] our red along all the time I've been on the board anyway,
[4:57] it's been like way less than that.
[5:01] So I don't think it should be any different.
[5:02] And if they wanna put,
[5:05] I got a mailbox up there, it's very expensive.
[5:07] That's totally up to them. If snow plow happens to hit it,
[5:11] which they don't do it intentionally,
[5:13] but some nights snow's hard.
[5:15] You can't see in front of you and snow banks get high
[5:19] or get load in.
[5:21] Things happen. But I think we'd be setting a bad precedent
[5:24] if we okayed this amount for this one.
[5:29] That's my opinion. So
[5:35] if I, we could just remove that from it
[5:38] and just go with a standard thing.
[5:40] If everybody's available that or we can go with this.
[5:43] It's whatever and I, somebody needs to make a motion on it.
[5:49] I, I can wait till the, the discussion after.
[5:53] Maybe we should clarify the thing again just so
[5:56] Yeah, so removing that would make the warrant
[6:02] 22, 2 0 9.
[6:04] 80,004. $24 and 74.
[6:14] I know that that's probably been in place
[6:19] for quite a few years.
[6:21] I might need to bump it up a little bit. Yeah,
[6:24] We're gonna have to revisit some policies.
[6:26] That, that was my thought.
[6:28] 'cause it's 45 bucks isn't gonna,
[6:29] Why not box anymore, right?
[6:31] That doesn't buy a four by four.
[6:33] Yeah, I, I mean I would think a hundred dollars at least.
[6:37] Yep. I'll spot on this so we can make it,
[6:39] we can vote on that afterwards.
[6:44] Okay. What you say? There's revised about lost down right?
[6:48] $80,424 and 74 cents.
[7:05] Okay. So
[7:11] we need to have a motion to, if this is route, you want
[7:15] to go with a 2020
[7:18] 200, 209
[7:22] Amendment.
[7:23] Amendment.
[7:26] And I just have a question. Do not about this Warrant,
[7:28] warrant 22 2 2 2 1 2.
[7:33] There was a
[7:36] Booth payment For the Autumn Festival.
[7:40] Yeah. Planning commission. Okay. Talking about the plan.
[7:44] Okay. I just didn't Know. Rented a booth from the club.
[7:49] I, okay, so we need a
[7:54] motion to amend a motion I guess to
[7:57] change the amount on 2209.
[8:01] I'll make a motion to accept the amended amount.
[8:07] I I didn't catch all that number.
[8:09] 80,004. $424 and 74 cents.
[8:13] 74 cents. Yes to that number.
[8:16] You second? Yeah, I'll second that motion May 2nd.
[8:19] All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?
[8:24] Now we vote on, I need a motion on
[8:28] 2 2 2 1 0.
[8:32] Make a motion on that.
[8:34] I make the motion to approve 2 2 2 1 0 as written.
[8:40] I'll second. Motion May 2nd a discussion.
[8:47] All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.
[9:04] Payroll warrants some of these you guys, guys.
[9:09] 28 20. I think 8 23 is only One.
[9:16] Yeah. 8 23 is the one I have to do.
[9:19] You got some too? Yeah, I, I have to few. Let's
[9:22] Just do, let's, there's only three.
[9:23] Let's just do it separate.
[9:25] I'll make a motion on the first one. 8 23.
[9:29] I make a motion to accept the payroll warrant for 8 23.
[9:34] I'll second. Motion made seconded a discussion.
[9:39] All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed?
[9:46] Next one is nine six. Get a motion on that.
[9:49] I make a motion to approve the payroll warrant. 9 6 26.
[9:54] Yeah, I'll second that
[9:55] Motion may seconded Any discussion?
[10:00] All in favor? Aye. Aye.
[10:03] I myself. Okay,
[10:08] next one is payroll warrant nine 11.
[10:13] A motion on that?
[10:16] Go ahead. I make a motion to accept payroll warrant
[10:18] for 9 11 20 20 26.
[10:22] Second. Second. Any discussion?
[10:27] All in favor? Aye.
[10:35] Okay. I'll just let board meeting minutes have a motion on
[10:40] that for eight 10.
[10:47] I make a motion to accept the meeting minutes.
[10:49] Your second. Second. Don't you be second.
[10:52] Any discussion in the minutes?
[10:58] All in favor? Aye.
[11:00] Opposed? Yes. Europe, Brian
[11:04] And just one second.
[11:05] I did just so all the citizens know,
[11:07] I don't know if we mentioned this last board meeting.
[11:09] I think we did, but the first Monday of every month
[11:12] the air raid siren is gonna go off the firehouse for testing
[11:16] just to make sure it's functioning so
[11:20] all citizens know it's not an emergency
[11:22] other than you hear it a lot then it would be an emergency.
[11:24] But it's the first Monday of every month.
[11:30] Okay.
[11:35] I started diving into budgeting for next year
[11:38] and I've started with wa the water and sewer budget.
[11:41] We're essentially looking at a $44,000
[11:44] increase on the new contract with Simons
[11:47] that would go into effect next year.
[11:49] Which means we will have to raise base charges
[11:52] and rate some to cover.
[11:54] This large increase comes from being locked into a five year
[11:58] contract with Simons at a fixed rate,
[12:00] which they no longer offer to municipalities.
[12:05] So they, they still offer it to us or, or no
[12:09] Would this new if we decide to go with Simons,
[12:12] the contract that they're gonna submit to us
[12:15] will be a five year contract,
[12:17] but it will increase by 2.5% every year
[12:20] to cover their rising costs.
[12:22] They don't offer that anymore?
[12:24] They do not. We are the one of two towns
[12:26] that still have a fixed rate.
[12:29] Okay. And the town has not increased our rates at all
[12:34] in the same five year time period, which requires us
[12:36] to make a larger adjustment than usual.
[12:39] The good news is that Alan
[12:41] and I have identified several areas within the budget
[12:43] that we can scale back to help us make the rate
[12:45] and increase the smallest possible.
[12:50] We were all set up with Deluxe being our new credit card
[12:53] processor as our last vendor was gonna start charging us a
[12:56] $500 monthly fee to continue using their services Deluxe
[13:00] to even sweeten the deal by offering us a lower service fee
[13:03] rate of 2.35%, which was originally 2.85%.
[13:09] They also threw in two free terminals to use
[13:12] for processing cards in the office.
[13:15] The Baptist Street Culvert project is
[13:17] continuing along ahead of schedule.
[13:20] The concrete footings have been poured.
[13:22] The stem walls have been poured and pure for a few days.
[13:25] If everything continues according to plan,
[13:27] the road will be opened on October 1st rather than the
[13:31] original date of October 8th.
[13:34] The Graniteville road PE road paving project will
[13:37] begin in mid October.
[13:39] I'll inform the public when I get a solid date from Pike
[13:43] in the process of putting out another RFP
[13:45] for Construction Hill on Chelsea Road
[13:48] and we can open those bids.
[13:50] Maybe we can just have a quick
[13:53] meeting when I get those bids in just so we can open them
[13:56] because you've already put them out.
[13:58] Right. Okay. So did
[14:00] You check on maybe getting them bids in quicker
[14:05] so they have more time?
[14:06] Yeah, yeah. So I gave 'em two weeks so we'll see.
[14:10] See what we come back with in two weeks.
[14:12] So when will the bids be coming in now?
[14:16] It'll be still for the October 8th meeting.
[14:18] No, no, but it'll be earlier than that.
[14:20] It'll be, it'll be two weeks from Friday
[14:26] On October 1st or second
[14:31] 25th. Yeah.
[14:33] But Rod and I talked
[14:35] because the pavement season's coming to an end shortly
[14:38] to we get 'em quicker.
[14:40] Yeah, we could just get together to approval.
[14:42] Yeah. Yeah.
[14:44] So Pike is very interested in doing those two projects
[14:47] as well and they wanted
[14:49] to know if we could just tack them on
[14:51] but we have to put things out to bid
[14:54] and stay within our policy.
[14:56] But I wouldn't be surprised if they were the low bid account
[14:59] 'cause they'd like to just do 'em all while they're here.
[15:02] So we'll see.
[15:06] We have new maintenance person cleaning the town office
[15:09] and the public safety building in Valerie who started
[15:13] the last week of August.
[15:15] Our previous cleaning company stopped showing up
[15:17] and didn't communicate with me as to
[15:19] what was going on from week to week.
[15:20] So went with a local person
[15:22] who expressed interest back when I posted the position
[15:24] earlier this year and she's doing a great job.
[15:29] The state police finally returned the previous manager's
[15:32] desktop and laptop to us now that the case has been closed,
[15:35] that where those were being used as evidence.
[15:39] And the current delinquent tax total is $209,444.
[15:43] We have collected $997 since the last update.
[15:49] This is the worst month
[15:50] for delinquent collections I've had since I started.
[15:53] A bunch of people miss their payment agreements
[15:58] so we're gonna have to follow up with a
[16:00] lot of people to see what's happening.
[16:02] New tax bills will be sent out this week
[16:04] after the new rate has been set,
[16:06] which will be up this weekend.
[16:07] So we hope to get those tax bills out tomorrow afternoon.
[16:13] Everything lines up.
[16:16] The current delinquent utility total is $55,072.
[16:20] We recovered $10,661 since the last section.
[16:27] Anybody Have any questions for Ryan?
[16:30] Anybody in the audience have any questions for Ryan?
[16:35] Okay, We'll go on to new business
[16:38] Williamstown Sidewalk Pro project presentation
[16:54] And just there's like a slide thing right on the top
[16:58] and just give it a second.
[17:00] Yep. There you go. Yeah. Hi. Good evening.
[17:05] I'm sorry I have to cut my back to cut some of you.
[17:07] It's very short cord. I haven't seen you before.
[17:12] My name's Andrea Haynes.
[17:13] I'm a landscape architect with Du Bois and King
[17:16] and we have been working on this sidewalk feasibility study.
[17:22] We started I think in the spring.
[17:27] So on the project team
[17:31] is the central Vermont Regional Planning Commission.
[17:34] Ruben is here from there.
[17:38] And like I said, I'm from Du Bois and King.
[17:40] We're based in Randolph and then the town of course.
[17:46] So Ryan and Cody have both been involved
[17:50] along with some other folks.
[17:52] So if you haven't heard about this at all, this is a study
[17:57] to look at the possibility of putting sidewalks in
[18:02] in the orange dash is the general project area.
[18:05] So we're looking at putting in a sidewalk
[18:09] between the schools
[18:11] and then also from the school area into the village.
[18:16] So finding a safe route from that area to the village
[18:24] and the potential routes, well what a feasibility study is.
[18:28] So this is part of a, a larger multi-step process
[18:34] where you have to do either a feasibility
[18:36] or a scoping study.
[18:38] Feasibility study is a little bit shorter,
[18:40] a little bit less detail,
[18:42] but depending on
[18:46] what v vRAN says you can, it's a, it is a step
[18:50] that you usually do a scoping study
[18:53] which is a little more detailed
[18:54] but we can sort of skip a another study
[18:58] 'cause we've done most of the work.
[19:00] So we can hopefully go straight to construction documents
[19:05] with a few more reports and things that vRAN requires
[19:10] before they'll approve any money
[19:12] for these kinds of projects.
[19:15] And at the beginning we have, we want a lot of public input.
[19:20] We did have two meetings already
[19:24] where we went over, we just got everybody's feedback called
[19:27] the local concerns meeting
[19:28] and then we did an alternatives presentation.
[19:31] So this is actually our final presentation.
[19:35] And so as it goes on, more public input later as it goes on,
[19:40] less public input, more cost.
[19:44] So the different alternatives that we looked at were
[19:48] just the connection between the schools.
[19:50] So that's what you see in the blue line.
[19:53] So we're calling that alternative number one.
[19:56] And then we were looking at the possibility of
[19:59] Construction Hill Road.
[20:02] I'm sorry I have a cold.
[20:05] So either two possibilities on there,
[20:07] either the north or the south side.
[20:10] And then the third alternative we looked at is
[20:14] in the orange line.
[20:15] So that's Brush Hill and Brook Street.
[20:19] So two possible alternatives on that one as well.
[20:23] Two sub ones. So just real quick,
[20:26] you probably all are familiar with these roads.
[20:29] This is just what it looks like
[20:32] on Brush Hill slash Hebert Road between the schools.
[20:37] There's actually good amount of space.
[20:40] I know it's a big concern with snow
[20:42] safety in the winter for the kids.
[20:45] 'cause there's a lot of kids that go from
[20:48] the middle high school to the elementary school
[20:50] to pick up younger brothers and sisters
[20:52] or get picked up from there together.
[20:58] So this is, we, we were looking at, you know, what it fit
[21:03] and it was, it's pretty evident
[21:05] that it should be on the east side
[21:07] 'cause that's the side, the schools they're on.
[21:11] And we study things in section two here.
[21:15] So we're looking at the grades.
[21:18] We actually, I think there was a previous project
[21:20] where they had widened the road in hopes
[21:23] of doing a sidewalk at some point.
[21:25] So there's actually a good bit of space,
[21:29] not too many technical challenges when it comes to putting
[21:34] a sidewalk in.
[21:36] There are some slopes either going up as you can see on
[21:40] that first section or some slopes, you know, going down,
[21:45] which is not too difficult to deal with.
[21:50] Just some regrading might be needed.
[21:55] So the strengths of actually building this one is that
[22:01] it would, you know, greatly improved safety
[22:04] for kids obviously by having,
[22:08] what we were looking at was a curved, a raised sidewalk.
[22:13] Not a ton of utilities along here. So that's great.
[22:17] There are some slopes, there's a little bit of tree
[22:21] and brush removal, that kind of thing.
[22:23] But not a lot of difficulty.
[22:25] It's pretty easy to get a sidewalk in here. So that's great.
[22:31] Construction hill. So what, what we did here is that
[22:36] doing the sidewalks between the schools is like priority.
[22:40] Like that's a pretty much a yes. Let's do that.
[22:44] And then the next question really is in addition to that,
[22:49] would it be better to go on Construction Hill
[22:51] or on Brook Street?
[22:53] So that's really the question here that we were looking at.
[22:57] So this is just the conditions on Construction Hill Road.
[23:04] There are some narrow areas, there's some steep slopes,
[23:08] there's a lot of catch basins, there's a lot of
[23:11] stormwater infrastructure that would need
[23:14] to be updated and placed.
[23:16] That's some of the challenges.
[23:20] So what we looked at, looked at either doing
[23:25] part of the route on the south side
[23:28] and then moving up to the north side
[23:32] and then also actually continuing down to
[23:37] Main Street and Meadow Street
[23:39] because that's a, that's a route that a lot
[23:42] of kids take is they actually then go down Meadow Street.
[23:46] So we were looking at also making some crosswalks
[23:49] and improvements there, like reducing this,
[23:54] do I have, so like bumping this curve out.
[23:58] 'cause right now it's really, really wide.
[24:00] So making that a shorter crossing.
[24:05] There is a lot of stormwater issues
[24:08] with water entering properties on this side
[24:10] because it's all slows down once you get that way.
[24:16] There were some blind corners.
[24:18] That was why we were looking at
[24:20] the south side of the street.
[24:22] And then in section, the strengths of youth
[24:27] of taking this route are that a lot
[24:29] of the kids already walk this way to get
[24:32] to the village from school area.
[24:36] We're not hemmed in with a river like we are on Brook
[24:39] Street, which is a big challenge.
[24:41] There's less traffic on Construction Hill,
[24:43] which is probably the reason kids already take it.
[24:47] Doing construction here would also mean
[24:51] you have the opportunity to update the stormwater
[24:53] infrastructure that's there.
[24:55] The challenges are that all of
[24:57] that stormwater infrastructure is there
[24:58] and it's very expensive to redo
[25:01] that for this option.
[25:05] Crossing the road a bunch of times is less than ideal.
[25:11] And yeah, there's a challenge when you come,
[25:15] when you're crossing Main Street,
[25:16] there's not good sight lines there.
[25:22] Construction Hill is also steeper,
[25:24] especially when you get close to Main Street
[25:27] because it's very steep.
[25:30] So looking at B,
[25:32] this would be keeping the sidewalk on the north side
[25:36] the whole time except when you need
[25:38] to cross right at the intersection of Main Street.
[25:43] So again, this is the route most of the kids are taking.
[25:47] The advantage of doing it on the north side is that we would
[25:52] put a swale on the, we
[25:56] would put a swale on this side of the sidewalk
[26:02] and manage and capture the stormwater
[26:05] before it comes onto the road versus
[26:09] you capture it passes road and neither.
[26:14] So if you have to build into the hill
[26:17] or if you have to build down the slope, they are kind of,
[26:23] it's like six to one half dozen of the other,
[26:25] whether you're on the north side
[26:27] or the south side, it's, there's not a lot
[26:29] of advantages like technically or costwise.
[26:33] So that's not the biggest consideration here.
[26:38] We did in the discussions with, at the alternatives meeting,
[26:43] we did identify this as the preferred alternative
[26:48] to take Construction Hill and to have it on the north side.
[26:51] This is what we identified as the preferred.
[26:55] And this is just a little closeup of
[26:56] what I was talking about with this intersection.
[26:59] So right now you can just barely see this curve,
[27:03] this black gray line.
[27:05] It's really wide, which makes it a really long crossing
[27:08] distance for here and also here.
[27:11] So this green that's showing that
[27:14] pushed out further into the roads so
[27:16] that pedestrians don't have as far to go.
[27:20] And as you see there's a crosswalk here
[27:23] and then coming down here makes this,
[27:26] this is a safer crossing
[27:28] because cars are coming down this pretty quickly
[27:32] and it's like a blind turn as well.
[27:35] So this we just think is much safer.
[27:39] Safer versus people crossing up here
[27:45] and then just, this is not our preferable alternative.
[27:48] But we did look at this and the challenges
[27:51] with Brook Street.
[27:53] I'm sure you all will know there's bridge,
[27:55] there's the river, there's a lot of houses, there's a lot
[27:59] of utilities, a lot of driveways.
[28:03] Houses are really close to the road.
[28:04] So it's very, it would be very challenging.
[28:07] We'd also need to put in like a pedestrian bridge to cross
[28:11] Stevens branch once you get on the
[28:15] brush hill section.
[28:19] So it's very narrow. Many driveways.
[28:21] There would also be a conflict if you brought the sidewalk
[28:24] all the way to here with the parking lot of the library.
[28:29] We did look at an A and a B option, A being to just have
[28:33] a sidewalk the entire way
[28:35] and around the corner at the library,
[28:38] this is what it would look like.
[28:40] And as you can see, we're really getting hemmed in
[28:42] by the Stevens River in two different scenarios here.
[28:46] Depending on where you look in section,
[28:51] it is, the road itself is relatively flat,
[28:53] but there's a lot you're just M in.
[28:59] It's very narrow. We did also look at this option B of
[29:05] building a sidewalk and then crossing near Tiffany Drive
[29:08] and then just directing pedestrians to walk
[29:11] through Memorial Park.
[29:15] Which, you know, it's still, it has disadvantages
[29:19] because of the bridge.
[29:20] And so this is where you'd,
[29:22] there's another bridge right here.
[29:23] So you'd have to put in a pedestrian
[29:24] bridge 'cause it's too narrow.
[29:27] And then this is not the best to have a midblock
[29:32] crossing for safety reasons.
[29:34] Plus again, we have high speeds coming around a corner.
[29:38] Midblock crossing, it's not, it's not ideal.
[29:43] So just looking at that in section,
[29:45] that would be where the crossing is.
[29:48] And you can see we're hemmed in by the river.
[29:50] And so we decided
[29:53] that was not the best alternative.
[29:56] So as I said, alternative two B
[30:01] was the preferred alternative.
[30:04] And these are very, very preliminary construction costs.
[30:10] So this is very conceptual level design.
[30:14] But this just gives you an idea of like the level of
[30:18] cost we're talking about.
[30:21] As you can see, you know, there's not really any difference
[30:23] between two A or two B.
[30:26] Taking Brush Hill
[30:27] and Brook Street would be the most expensive
[30:29] because we'd have to put in a bridge.
[30:33] The good news is that just adding the sidewalk
[30:37] between the schools is our, is the lowest cost
[30:41] project that we'd be looking at.
[30:42] Which I know was, was the priority for the safety.
[30:48] And yeah, this is still very preliminary.
[30:51] Don't get to hung up on those numbers.
[30:56] So the next steps for this project is
[31:00] the select board has to formally accept our study
[31:05] that we've done and then
[31:09] you all will determine, you know, which projects you'd like
[31:12] to move forward with and then coordinate with V Trans about
[31:17] the process that you would need to do with them.
[31:21] Since this wasn't a formal scope and study.
[31:25] So you might need to do, you know, you could skip right
[31:28] to the design and construction, but just have to go back
[31:30] and do archeological and historic resources
[31:34] because that wasn't a part of this project.
[31:36] And that's like a required step.
[31:38] I thought we got an email about the
[31:40] Archeological that we did.
[31:45] Like a very superficial Okay.
[31:47] Yeah, that was like a very, very superficial one.
[31:50] That's not a full study. Yeah. Yeah.
[31:56] Any questions? What kind of money are we talking
[31:59] for the, for the options.
[32:02] How much? Oh here I can go back to that.
[32:05] Can't see it from here. Oh, I'm sorry.
[32:07] I could tell from dollars. So a little higher.
[32:10] So for alternative one, that's the sidewalk
[32:13] between the schools.
[32:16] That's 800,000, 800.
[32:21] So take that with a really, really big grain of salt though
[32:26] that we, we always put in like
[32:29] 20% contingency,
[32:31] extra escalation like we put in just so people aren't like,
[32:36] oh it's only gonna be a hundred and it turns out to be 400.
[32:39] We always like pad it a lot.
[32:43] That's the upper end. So What's that?
[32:45] That's the upper end.
[32:46] Yeah, I would, I can't say for sure
[32:50] but yeah, we try to, you know,
[32:55] yeah, so nobody gets stickers shock later.
[32:57] We always add like contingency percentages.
[33:01] I think we put, what do we put,
[33:05] 30% contingency?
[33:08] No, 20% because we just don't know what we don't know
[33:11] until you really start doing survey.
[33:15] Like this was a, this is a very conceptual level project
[33:20] that we did here.
[33:22] We didn't have surveys.
[33:24] We're just using like what's available data
[33:27] online basically.
[33:28] So we, you know, there could be surprises.
[33:32] And then so alternative two, that's the two options
[33:36] for Construction Hill I, the north side of South side,
[33:39] they both came in the same 1.5 million, which includes
[33:44] redoing the entire road, redoing a bunch
[33:47] of stormwater infrastructure also
[33:50] with the giant contingency on top.
[33:55] And then alternative three,
[33:58] which is Brook Street Brook and Brush Hill.
[34:02] Either, either option is 1.6 million.
[34:07] So that's also up there.
[34:13] Which we determined is not what's best for safety.
[34:17] Yeah. Is
[34:19] There, has there been any talk, the plan in there
[34:22] to put those pedestrian squashers down on Main Street?
[34:26] It's already,
[34:28] Yeah, I think we did put that in our final report, which
[34:33] I'm not sure if the town puts that up on the website.
[34:38] Like once the report is done, if, if people can look at it.
[34:40] Yeah. Yeah we, we have definitely
[34:44] recommended those many places
[34:47] and I think that's in this report too.
[34:52] I I be a problems
[34:54] and kids coming down construction go with that bad corner.
[34:57] That's a bad intersection to start with on 14.
[35:01] Yeah, That's a bad intersection to start with
[35:04] and I don't know how you're gonna
[35:05] slow the traffic down there.
[35:07] Well that's what you were talking about with the flashers.
[35:10] Yeah. Yeah the, the pedestrians mean
[35:12] If they don't have an electrical shock system in
[35:14] it's probably not gonna work.
[35:17] I know we allowed do that rapid flushing but
[35:21] You know what I'm saying.
[35:22] Yeah, yeah I know.
[35:25] I mean the kids are already crossing there. Right.
[35:28] Some they should be crossing down towards the pub mar
[35:33] towards Depot Street, but yeah, away from that corner.
[35:37] So
[35:40] Yeah, Having lived up there for a lot of years,
[35:45] sometimes the children come down
[35:48] and walk down towards the library
[35:50] and cross between the six to four
[35:54] and others dance across the road between the car.
[36:01] And that's always been something in the back
[36:05] of my mind fixed.
[36:08] We're finally getting there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[36:13] It's slow progress.
[36:17] The did that bridge on 64,
[36:23] they reread the traffic down through by the church
[36:27] and bank parking lot.
[36:30] Now does the state of the town own any of that property
[36:32] or is that all still private property?
[36:35] A church, It's like a park there
[36:37] now belongs to the church. It does belong
[36:39] To the church. Yeah.
[36:40] Yeah. Okay. So what I was thinking that's
[36:43] where the road should have stayed to begin
[36:45] with when they changed it over
[36:47] because it might eliminate a lot of future problems
[36:50] but disagree with you.
[36:51] Yeah and I don't know why it never was.
[36:54] I was thinking that might be a good option
[36:56] to get the kids across the road, you know, out of the, out
[36:59] of the way because they gotta slow down to that corner.
[37:03] Are you saying that we have to redo the
[37:06] bridge on Brook Street?
[37:08] They already has a sidewalk, not the Brook Street.
[37:12] It would just be the one above it. There's a small bridge.
[37:15] Yeah, yeah, no I know it from the right here on Brush Hill.
[37:19] Yeah, on Brush Hill. Okay.
[37:21] So that, and it's too narrow to add a sidewalk.
[37:23] So what we would, you can either put in a whole new
[37:27] vehicular end pedestrian bridge
[37:29] or you can just build a small pedestrian bridge
[37:32] of guns still,
[37:35] Right?
[37:36] Well it is, it is still there.
[37:37] What it is is a pipe piece cover.
[37:39] That's where the town water line run right across my
[37:42] property and across the thing.
[37:43] That little foot bridge was left of it.
[37:45] It's still there. It used
[37:46] To be one years ago. It
[37:47] Is still there. Yeah, it's still there.
[37:49] It saved Walk Pass was there,
[37:52] I walked around Was the side they preferred
[37:54] Walked.
[37:57] Oh yeah. Nothing but the styrofoam on top of the I beam
[37:59] and the grass and some trees.
[38:02] It's still there.
[38:05] We did a lot of work for uni for back when they had to
[38:08] ation stuff up there.
[38:12] I think the safest route in my opinion would be
[38:15] to do the construction hill route.
[38:17] But I would keep everything on the south side.
[38:23] I mean it's kinda like east side, no,
[38:27] no go against the universe.
[38:29] Property land. But the opposite side road
[38:33] come down along the Rush Hill Hebert Road
[38:36] in the Rush Hill intersection
[38:38] and then go over to the, to the,
[38:42] to the elementary school side of Construction Hill.
[38:46] Then keep, stay on that side all the way down through,
[38:49] there's all kinds of drainage systems manholes
[38:53] or the new first cleanup that goes
[38:55] to a pump station down below.
[38:57] I don't believe they much disturbed that.
[39:00] Where is, where's this?
[39:01] It's all the catch basin that you're talking about.
[39:04] It would be on the opposite side
[39:05] of Road Elementary school on Construc Hill
[39:08] on the same side as,
[39:09] Oh here there's the map
[39:12] This called duffle whatever it is. Street
[39:16] Talking to have to come down here
[39:17] and along this side instead of the upper
[39:19] Side.
[39:20] So you're saying they have drainage structures on
[39:23] that North's all drain along that side all the way
[39:25] Down this side route drainage that's all's down
[39:29] through here to a pump stations down behind.
[39:32] Yeah, the pump stations right behind
[39:33] My house.
[39:34] So you're not, they won't even let you touch that.
[39:36] Yeah, I would come across then go this way.
[39:39] Stay on this side all the way down through
[39:42] where you get down past.
[39:43] That's where they said there go back up
[39:45] And then back down again.
[39:46] Would you get down past High Street which was here?
[39:49] Yeah, the bank is very steep comes right.
[39:52] Yeah. That's why we had to switch sides. Yeah,
[39:54] We'd go across the other side just I'd sta right on this
[39:57] side all the way to Brook.
[39:59] Yeah, you don't have to cross high street with kids.
[40:01] You don't have to cross see one the kids.
[40:03] And it's could be just as like you said,
[40:05] just the same amount of work
[40:06] to do it on low side or out or the upper side.
[40:08] Yeah. Yeah. You have to Do a ready walk wall.
[40:10] Yeah, retain wall of some sort.
[40:12] And what I would do is when you got down on the 14,
[40:16] I would try to locate that crosswalks somewhere halfway
[40:19] between Brook Street, construction Hill rather than so close
[40:21] to Construction Hill on the spot that works.
[40:24] That gets kids farther away from that intersection.
[40:27] Both intersection for
[40:28] Sure.
[40:29] Yeah. So I know there, there was talk of eventually
[40:34] connecting, like completing the sidewalk all the way from
[40:40] along Main Street to connect all the way from Construction
[40:43] Hill to Brook Street.
[40:44] Like to actually have a complete to
[40:46] Go up the Library eventually, right?
[40:48] I don't think you can't, you can't make a crossing
[40:50] that close to the intersection mean
[40:53] that's a interstate access road.
[40:56] We're not gonna let you put a crossing right
[40:58] at the Brooks intersection.
[40:59] You're gonna have to move it back, back away from that
[41:03] Intersection.
[41:04] I would say Rob, if you went to the north side
[41:06] of the library in that area,
[41:08] Yeah.
[41:09] I don't know how it would land on
[41:11] somebody's driveway across the road,
[41:12] but figure out a way to make it work
[41:14] and somewhere that area between s
[41:17] and library so it doesn't come into somebody
[41:21] directly into somebody's driveway and the side.
[41:26] Yeah, You do you have a photo of that area?
[41:30] Not between, not between.
[41:34] Wait actually I do
[41:38] That kind Of shows here. Yeah,
[41:42] That's the library right there.
[41:43] So you have cross like
[41:44] Here.
[41:45] So you're saying right there, that
[41:46] Driveway on there, that Cheryl's trailer
[41:49] Find, find a place somewhere where was,
[41:53] was it coming into the driveway?
[41:58] So you could do it near The fire hydrant. You won't
[42:00] Do parking there, anything Not,
[42:03] we're not gonna be able, they won't let you
[42:05] put it right on the intersection.
[42:06] I know for sure, but maybe like that's the driveway.
[42:11] So just like, like in here something
[42:16] have the crosswalk there,
[42:17] the other sidewalk is already in place.
[42:19] Another side room
[42:24] About the, like we did contact
[42:30] this, the civil engineering company
[42:32] who worked on the capping
[42:36] and the environmental remediation for the universe.
[42:39] Universe site.
[42:42] Yeah, we, we did tell 'em about this project
[42:46] and we asked 'em like, is there any
[42:50] regulations or requirements like that we need to stay
[42:54] a certain distance away from like the edge
[42:57] of the property or anything.
[42:59] And they said there's not So as long
[43:02] as we're still in the right of way up here
[43:08] or are you saying that we would,
[43:10] I know for sure 'cause we put it in
[43:12] End up hitting the, there's sewer,
[43:19] they have a sewer right
[43:20] Through Here. Yeah. Okay.
[43:23] Cars probably know as much as anybody.
[43:25] It comes away, goes all the way down this side there.
[43:28] All right. The ditch line,
[43:29] you'll see some manholes down there.
[43:31] Yeah. Goes down this area here somewhere.
[43:36] There's a tank that comes across the road down
[43:40] Clayton's place, pump station, that's all,
[43:44] all drainage systems, drainage, pipe crush, stone manholes.
[43:49] And that's a separate system from the town that that,
[43:52] that collects all the first contamination if there's any
[43:57] who carries down to that filtration.
[44:00] Okay, so there's a special filtration system down.
[44:02] So they, they're not gonna let you mess
[44:03] that I'm sure. Yeah,
[44:05] Well It's right, it's right like the
[44:07] road edge and road here. It's like,
[44:09] Okay halfway.
[44:11] So I mean we can, we can go back to calling
[44:15] But you got plenty of road on the other side.
[44:16] Option A the preferred. Yeah.
[44:18] The reason we, we wanted to, we can't,
[44:22] we can't put a sidewalk in over here
[44:25] because the, the, the properties drop off
[44:28] and this garage is super close to the edge of the road
[44:32] so we had to switch over to the north side.
[44:35] So we didn't love the idea of, you know,
[44:40] the more times you make people cross back
[44:41] and forth over a road, the less likely they're gonna do it.
[44:44] You could build that up for you
[44:46] where rock haul retain while fits on it.
[44:50] Sidewalk
[44:52] This building, I'm not sure.
[44:54] So yeah, we don't look at, at this level of study,
[44:59] we don't actually get like the right of way.
[45:03] We don't have like perfectly accurate information on,
[45:07] you know, is that building in the right of way
[45:09] or is it like where the right of way is?
[45:12] That was recently built not too long ago. Oh that's
[45:15] Been there since I was a kid.
[45:16] Oh, that garage. Which building are you talking
[45:18] About? Roland Ion's garage.
[45:19] There's right here there's a Little garage.
[45:21] The ion's gun shop was oh
[45:23] Ion's scratch.
[45:24] That's been there I saw about the other one.
[45:29] So yeah, we just don't like that
[45:34] that level of detail would be like in, in a phase
[45:38] where you're actually getting a survey done.
[45:41] So finding out like exactly where
[45:45] the universe structures are, finding out exactly
[45:48] where the right of way is versus the existing pavement.
[45:52] Like those kinds of things would be, you know,
[45:57] so study closer
[45:58] In as we were doing this.
[45:59] Right. I ideally,
[46:01] ideally it's just on one side all the way down to the end.
[46:06] Right? That's ideal. Yeah. So there's no crossings.
[46:09] So our thought was, and again this
[46:11] what you're talking about Larry, we saw those
[46:13] 'cause they came through not too long before we did the walk
[46:17] and you could see where they dug up the covers
[46:19] and were doing testing or whatever they were doing.
[46:23] But I, I think for us, everybody that was involved in this
[46:26] and the other public meetings we had,
[46:29] that was the ideal kind
[46:30] of main choice was keeping it on one side.
[46:33] Now if we get to the point where they start to go
[46:35] to the next step and say, hey, the state whoever says yeah
[46:41] actually you can't do that.
[46:44] This would then be the fallback.
[46:48] You plan on the fallback
[46:49] because they gonna let you go whole
[46:52] that whole drainage system
[46:54] That that and I think you're opening up another bag
[46:55] of worms if you start digging around that,
[46:59] that place been contaminated for those years.
[47:01] Nobody wants to take that responsibility
[47:04] Where they paved it, they cleaned it up and paved it.
[47:07] You can't even put a shovel on the ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[47:09] This is down below that.
[47:10] This is down where the contamination's being picked up.
[47:14] But I Don't think this is any
[47:16] of it's gonna be real all not relevant
[47:18] 'cause I don't think States's gonna let us have school here
[47:20] in another couple weeks.
[47:22] And, and again this is, I really don't,
[47:24] This is, I really do believe Williamstown is probably
[47:27] gonna lose your schools and this probably isn't
[47:32] Distinctly doesn't want Williamstown
[47:33] to have their own school anyway.
[47:35] No, no. But I think
[47:37] that's gonna be our next fight on our hands
[47:39] before we worry about whether or not we put a
[47:42] Now Sidewalk in for
[47:44] Em.
[47:45] Right. Let's, let's put it this way, if you put it in,
[47:47] I'm pretty sure that not stay.
[47:50] Oh yes, yes. I'm just saying if we don't have,
[47:53] there's no kids up there going to school,
[47:56] Well there, there still would be at the high schools
[47:59] 'cause you have middle school at
[47:59] least, so that won't go away.
[48:01] You just wanna have the high school. If that happened,
[48:04] you just wanna have the high school.
[48:05] So again, this is a multi-year, like
[48:08] construction wouldn't happen for
[48:09] at least probably a couple years.
[48:10] And then it would be in phases.
[48:12] So you'd have the blue just connecting the two schools.
[48:14] That would be phase one, get that done first,
[48:17] then it would move on in sections from there.
[48:21] And I totally get what you're saying, Scott,
[48:24] that's a definitely a big concern.
[48:26] But like I just,
[48:28] my my opinion is I think it's still worth it
[48:30] to con at least start continue with this
[48:34] and connect the two schools
[48:35] because we, the elementary schools' going anywhere
[48:38] and we still have the middle
[48:39] school that's not going anywhere.
[48:41] And that's the biggest safety issue as far
[48:43] as everybody we've talked to is is
[48:46] that section the kids walking down between the two schools?
[48:51] Oh yeah. I see a lot more people walking along
[48:53] Edge Province.
[48:55] Yeah. Exercising more the older people. Right.
[48:58] And even if that school gets shut down,
[49:01] the high school part of it, they're going to, I mean it goes
[49:04] to the town or whatever, somebody's gonna rent it out
[49:06] for something and there's gonna be people,
[49:09] you know, sidewalk's always useful.
[49:11] What's the plan for funding those projects?
[49:15] I think part of that is on Ruben's end. Yeah.
[49:18] So there are multiple state federal grant programs.
[49:24] You generally, generally looking at
[49:28] 20% match.
[49:30] So the town put up 20% total cost,
[49:33] whether 80 come from in state of federal.
[49:37] Some of 'em times you can find the 10% left other
[49:48] Friendship Still expensive.
[49:51] But is is it worth, you know, the safety of the kids
[49:55] and the people in town, you know,
[49:58] because that is a constant complaint
[50:00] and concerns that I've had is the kids walking down
[50:03] that side there and I mean they're right,
[50:05] they're right on your call.
[50:07] You know, one kid gets pushed, one kid slips.
[50:10] I mean does is it gonna take a kid getting run over
[50:12] for us to do something about it? Like
[50:14] I've seen, I've seen kids get pushed
[50:16] because they used to drop my grandkids,
[50:18] pick up my grandkids up there at the high school.
[50:22] I've seen kids being pushed and Oh yeah.
[50:25] Ending up in the road between the two schools. Yeah.
[50:29] And they need some,
[50:33] I'm not really crossing guards,
[50:34] but they need somebody supervising the walk between
[50:38] the schools and maybe teaching these kids
[50:40] what their folks should taught 'em from,
[50:44] you know, how do you act in public?
[50:48] But they are kids so you know, what are you gonna do?
[50:51] But there is definitely the long term thought
[50:54] of is there gonna be a lot of use there, you know, as far
[50:57] as this other stuff for sure.
[50:59] But yeah, my, I think right now we just have to decide on
[51:03] do we move ahead with the planning process and what route?
[51:07] And then again it would be we,
[51:08] because we can always do, we do the a, the the two schools
[51:12] and then we decide and that might, that's gonna be two,
[51:15] three years down the road, whatever it's gonna be.
[51:17] And by that time the state says X, Y, Z
[51:19] and we go, okay, well now we're not gonna continue
[51:20] with the rest of the sidewalk.
[51:22] We can, we can choose to do that. We do it in pieces.
[51:25] So you talked about doing a sidewalk
[51:27] between the two schools and to go nowhere
[51:30] Just to connect the two schools
[51:31] because there's a lot of kids
[51:33] that walk from the middle high school down
[51:36] and either get picked up
[51:37] or they pick up their siblings at the elementary school.
[51:40] Yeah, I mean I feel like if anything I,
[51:43] my opinion would be that to do
[51:45] between the two schools if you think kids will take either
[51:48] route, whichever, whether we put a sidewalk
[51:50] on one side or the other.
[51:52] Right. I think kids are gonna go whichever way they want.
[51:54] Yep. But I do agree as a past student
[51:58] and to a parent that
[51:59] between the two schools if is probably more dangerous than
[52:03] having a full cycle with that.
[52:09] I don't think this option of going down through
[52:12] by the veterans park in between the bank
[52:14] and the church is very good.
[52:15] We got people backing in and out the bank.
[52:17] Last thing idea, the church didn't know
[52:19] what that happen else.
[52:21] Yeah. Let's there, let's there the church property
[52:24] or town property, once you get to the veterans place
[52:28] and that's, and then it be, we'd be crossing the road
[52:31] right on right around that s
[52:35] Yeah.
[52:36] Yeah. The 25 mile an hour that nobody does.
[52:40] I stay, stay totally on the library side of it. Hmm.
[52:46] Yeah, They did put a sidewalk section on the
[52:50] bridge on that side.
[52:53] They did? Yeah.
[52:58] Okay. Any other questions?
[53:00] Anybody else have any questions
[53:02] for her sometime for
[53:06] Coming in?
[53:07] Oh yeah, you're very welcome. And
[53:08] Like I said, this is the first step
[53:10] and you know, you all have a lot of decisions
[53:15] To make.
[53:16] Do you need stuff from us tonight?
[53:18] Like any decisions on stuff tonight or
[53:20] If you can just formally say
[53:24] we accept your, your study. Thank you.
[53:26] That includes everything. Just,
[53:28] Just our study. Yeah, like the
[53:30] Document, the study in general.
[53:31] Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
[53:32] So you don't need the like I think we're
[53:34] picking this route tonight. Just
[53:35] No.
[53:36] Okay. No, and yeah, even,
[53:38] even if you said we picked this route tonight,
[53:40] you're still not obligated to do that.
[53:43] Pursue that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[53:45] Yeah. Okay. So
[53:49] Yeah, I, I would just make sure for clarity's sake,
[53:52] that accepting the study doesn't create any future
[53:55] obligations on the part of the town.
[53:57] Yep. It just says, yep, you see that you did the work
[54:01] and we accept the work
[54:05] that has been done to,
[54:09] Okay, so do we need to make a motion?
[54:13] Okay, so I just, I make a motion
[54:15] that we accept the feasibility study from Du Bois and King.
[54:20] Yeah. I'll second that motion page second
[54:23] any further discussion.
[54:26] So you'll be coming back after do some more homework on
[54:28] the universe thing and stuff.
[54:32] Okay. I don't, I'd say I'm right
[54:33] but I'm pretty sure I have, I'm,
[54:36] I don't have it's sacred ground up
[54:38] there. You can't touch it.
[54:39] Well I don't know if that's necessarily true though
[54:41] because I don't know, three, four
[54:42] or five years ago the universe was gonna sell that property
[54:46] to the town for a dollar so kids could park
[54:49] Read the, Because then the town would
[54:51] be responsible for Exactly.
[54:52] You read the covenant It. No, no, I know I'm saying you
[54:55] Can't touch nothing even said
[54:58] No to it.
[54:59] I know they did uni first wants to pan
[55:01] that land off faster than they can keep it.
[55:04] Absolutely. You can't put a shovel
[55:07] in the ground anywhere is up there.
[55:10] Okay. They'll give it to you
[55:11] for a dollar, but you can't do nothing.
[55:13] So look at it basically.
[55:16] Okay, so all in favor of the motion?
[55:20] Aye aye. Aye. Opposed? I
[55:23] Just have a question on the warrant
[55:29] that now is this, we're gonna receive bills from the town
[55:38] Once they, are you talking about the tax bill?
[55:40] No, the one where the, where you did the warrants
[55:46] for everybody and there was,
[55:48] is there money on the library is questioning
[55:54] what kind of bills?
[55:56] Because we put in our budget for whatever this is,
[56:01] if it is to do with the payroll.
[56:03] And now if we get this bill again this bill
[56:08] and it is over a thousand dollars.
[56:12] What? Wait, what what Bill,
[56:14] what bill are we talking about?
[56:15] It's due with workman's comp and stuff.
[56:18] Well that, that wasn't on many of these warrants.
[56:21] Okay. She's, she's talking about warrant 22 2 0 9.
[56:25] Okay. Really it's listed as due from library fund
[56:29] on pages two
[56:31] and three for passive
[56:36] VLCT employment resource on page two,
[56:40] it's almost due the bottom paying the packs of dues.
[56:44] And then on the second page,
[56:46] it's basically on the top quarter
[56:47] and the bottom, we'll call it three quarter.
[56:53] Which one are you talking about?
[56:55] It's the Payroll warrant or
[56:57] It's, it's, it's the warrant.
[56:59] 2 2 2 0 9.
[57:02] Alright, we got it on the second page. Second page. Okay.
[57:07] If you go down all of the passives,
[57:12] just tell where they go.
[57:14] But the library says due from library fund
[57:18] on the second page it's passive again it says if
[57:21] where the account gives their explanation, you know,
[57:25] once this property insurance, once this property casually.
[57:28] The next one says due from library fund
[57:30] and then the VLCT employment resource,
[57:33] which is the very first one on that list
[57:36] for the page three says due from library fund
[57:39] where all the others just list unemployment
[57:41] insurance is what she's talking about.
[57:43] Okay.
[57:59] Yeah, let me double check with Jen.
[58:02] But I think those are just part of the,
[58:04] the annual dues from, from our insurance company.
[58:09] But let me, yeah,
[58:14] so there's one for 687 7
[58:19] and one for $272 and one for
[58:21] 72 50, 72.
[58:25] That's the one That's the employment resource. Oh PC two?
[58:30] Yeah. Let me, let me just double check
[58:32] with the treasurer, we'll get that.
[58:36] Okay. Because we put in our budget money for Yeah.
[58:40] Everything and we get the figure.
[58:42] No we have to figure from Jen. Okay. Like this.
[58:45] We just couldn't figure out why we were,
[58:47] how we should pay this just early in the year.
[58:49] Okay. Yeah. Let me just double check.
[58:51] I'm not entirely sure on the,
[58:54] when the dues are supposed to go up.
[58:59] And the other question I have Larry is
[59:01] I don't see anywhere in here where
[59:05] before there was a section where people could ask questions.
[59:08] I don't see anything on the agenda here.
[59:12] Public comment that are public questions.
[59:15] I forgot what it was listed as where we can ask questions.
[59:20] That was the last sideboard now public announcement,
[59:24] open public comment. The
[59:27] Only place that says public's
[59:28] announcements where you could announce
[59:30] Stuff.
[59:31] Yeah, there used to be something in the, yeah, it used
[59:32] to be something about the public comment. Public comment.
[59:36] Public comment. Public comment. Yeah.
[59:38] Review of open public comment.
[59:40] That's just the review though should be right under that.
[59:44] That's under set the agenda.
[59:46] But that's reviewing and how we that Okay.
[59:50] But there were missing one.
[59:52] She's right, it was a public announcement.
[59:55] It was in that area. It's not that one.
[59:57] It was, I don't, I don't, I know you
[59:59] Discuss Stuff.
[1:00:00] It was like public. I think she's,
[1:00:03] I think she's saying it used to be down.
[1:00:05] Yeah it might've been down in here.
[1:00:06] Was it before new business?
[1:00:07] Maybe? I don't know where it was.
[1:00:09] No it was, it was if you had all
[1:00:11] of a sudden had questions about something that you had
[1:00:14] to discuss and we listen
[1:00:17] if you had a question sometimes that's
[1:00:20] where you could bring it up.
[1:00:21] Okay. You usually down towards, yeah,
[1:00:24] I know exactly what you talked about.
[1:00:25] Okay. I can add that look back at so
[1:00:27] of old ones you should see it.
[1:00:30] Okay. Thank you for bringing that up. Thank you.
[1:00:38] Okay Brian you wanted to make
[1:00:44] Yep.
[1:00:45] For the board. Some
[1:00:46] of you may know me, some of you may not.
[1:00:49] I'm Brian Foster, I'm pretty much a lifetime resident here
[1:00:52] in and I live on 3 9 9 DuPont Road
[1:00:58] and what I'd like to bring to your attention
[1:01:02] we're just maybe being open-minded to selling some property
[1:01:07] up there where the tower water tower is
[1:01:11] that land up there is owned by Williamstown.
[1:01:14] I think it's 65 acres total where the water tower
[1:01:17] Is And on the very south end of
[1:01:21] that is my property, which is 3 9 9 Mont Road
[1:01:25] and there's a section there, there's a field
[1:01:29] that's sister's my, my property.
[1:01:34] And I'm just looking at maybe if you guys would be
[1:01:36] open-minded in selling it's roughly 25 acres.
[1:01:41] I'm looking at, I don't know if you guys would be
[1:01:46] open-minded to put it on the agenda to look at it
[1:01:49] to see if you would want to sell a portion of that
[1:01:54] and if so, how much you would want to sell it to.
[1:02:00] I got some little bit of homework I did with a counselor,
[1:02:05] but one option is about 13 acres.
[1:02:09] Just the field area I'm looking at maybe some dividing,
[1:02:12] put some houses up there.
[1:02:14] Maybe in the future maybe I wouldn't do nothing.
[1:02:19] But it is just something I'm kind
[1:02:21] of interested in knowing whether you guys were on the south.
[1:02:26] The other option was 25 acres,
[1:02:30] but it's on the very south end of the 65 acres portion
[1:02:36] that the town owns.
[1:02:38] Is that right across from the turn to
[1:02:40] Your road?
[1:02:41] Yep, yep. Right across from me road, that one field. Right.
[1:02:46] It's a field. It kind of looks, I'm looking, that's
[1:02:48] what I'm looking at my phone for the map.
[1:02:50] Go ahead. It kinda looks like a seven
[1:02:52] If you look at the map like I'm looking
[1:02:54] Yeah, I show you
[1:02:58] Joined your property and Charlie Carrier's property
[1:03:02] and water tower property, that was
[1:03:05] where I think they gonna put in solar,
[1:03:07] solar panels at one point it
[1:03:09] Was, but I could And that that
[1:03:11] Up about that for one time.
[1:03:12] Right. That Rear road from 64.
[1:03:17] This is the property right there. Yep.
[1:03:18] And that's your property and this It's my property here.
[1:03:21] Yep. Thank pretty much have that. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
[1:03:25] Yeah to that or maybe just the field area,
[1:03:29] but you know, maybe the future subdivided, which
[1:03:35] maybe not do nothing at all.
[1:03:37] I know for past experience, I don't exactly just
[1:03:40] how it all works, but I'm pretty sure that if the town was
[1:03:44] to sell any property, they would've to make it,
[1:03:48] give it all adjoining land orders that bought
[1:03:51] that opportunity to purchase it.
[1:03:53] And we may have to even put it out
[1:03:56] to bid if we decide to sell it.
[1:03:58] Yeah. But I think that we, I think it reads,
[1:04:01] if I remember right that the joining, when was
[1:04:04] that first option to purchase it ship tell 'em,
[1:04:07] decide that they wanted to sell it.
[1:04:09] Yeah. But there's other things that we need to check into
[1:04:11] as far as the water tower and the isolation area around it.
[1:04:17] You may not be able to do it
[1:04:18] and on it anyway if you wanted do
[1:04:20] So.
[1:04:21] Yeah. And if that's the case,
[1:04:22] then nobody would want it anyway.
[1:04:24] Right, right. So because I, I spoke to Alan
[1:04:27] and Alan would probably say no to that idea.
[1:04:31] I mean I don't know why but
[1:04:34] We'd have to, we'd have to do some research on it
[1:04:36] before we even thought about
[1:04:38] whether we wanted to sell it or not.
[1:04:40] Yeah. I don't know if that's something you can look into
[1:04:44] and maybe come to the board at a later date
[1:04:49] after we figure out.
[1:04:50] Yep. Yeah, I'm just putting it out there
[1:04:53] to see if you guys would be interested
[1:04:54] or if it's even doable. Yeah.
[1:04:56] Alright. It may, it may mean something you already want
[1:04:58] after we
[1:04:59] Find out what, yeah, it may not,
[1:05:01] but just take it one step at a time
[1:05:03] and if you guys decided you wanted to do something with it,
[1:05:06] I could take it first and see if it's even worth building.
[1:05:10] So like I said, there's a certain process we'd have to go
[1:05:12] through in order to do it to be fair to everyone that's
[1:05:17] Do you have an extra copy of that map that I can add
[1:05:20] of the area you're looking at?
[1:05:21] I can. I can give you these. Okay. Yeah.
[1:05:27] But I'll give you everything that I got on. Okay.
[1:05:29] I even got the, the value of the property,
[1:05:31] I did a little homework on it.
[1:05:33] Okay. Yep. I'll take,
[1:05:42] appreciate it.
[1:05:43] Thank you.
[1:05:46] Okay, next item is set the tax rate.
[1:05:48] Roy, you wanna us through that?
[1:05:53] Yeah, so basically the bottom line
[1:05:58] on the new tax rate is we're looking at
[1:06:05] a 4.2% increase versus last year.
[1:06:11] You can see kind of in the middle of the page
[1:06:15] where it says budgeted proposed in 20 26, 27
[1:06:21] and the last fiscal year, the last column
[1:06:23] where it says difference.
[1:06:24] So on the first page you doctor
[1:06:25] On the first page?
[1:06:26] Yep. Yep. Where it says difference to go down to this,
[1:06:30] this line here,
[1:06:32] 0.042 is basically a 4.2% increase
[1:06:36] over the tax rate from last year.
[1:06:40] Can't hear you. What was the increase? 4.2%.
[1:06:47] That's where the school Town. Yep.
[1:06:52] How much is this? The town's portion of it?
[1:06:56] I think that is just the town. Is the town Just 0.86.
[1:07:01] Yes. Yep, you're right.
[1:07:03] We don't have the school one yet.
[1:07:08] Last year's school was 1.6, we were 0.81.
[1:07:13] So we were BA basically half
[1:07:15] Of the school Of Yeah.
[1:07:18] Or ours was half.
[1:07:20] I mean it's still, yeah it shows 2.4 6, 7 6 is what
[1:07:24] the total the school in town and then this year.
[1:07:27] So I don't know if the school budgets even,
[1:07:30] I think they decide that at a later date.
[1:07:33] That's a town meeting I believe when they put that through,
[1:07:39] we have no say over that regardless.
[1:07:40] So
[1:07:59] Guess it is what it is.
[1:08:01] Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately
[1:08:07] do better than a lot of towns.
[1:08:08] I was gonna say, say that's double dig it increases.
[1:08:10] Yeah, it's 0.8.
[1:08:14] And the biggest increase was general funds.
[1:08:16] So what was, I'm trying to think,
[1:08:20] what do we do in the general fund
[1:08:21] that was higher? Is that part of the road?
[1:08:24] General fund? The road is separate. That's in the highway.
[1:08:26] Highway fund is separate from general.
[1:08:28] So something that's where
[1:08:30] General fund includes libraries,
[1:08:34] fire department, ambulance.
[1:08:36] But it is, isn't that about
[1:08:38] what our general fund went up was around 4%?
[1:08:41] Well it's gotta be, I'm just saying like if you look at
[1:08:43] the two differences, like all the different nothing,
[1:08:45] There's nothing way outta whack. Yeah. No.
[1:08:47] Previous they should, they should pretty much line up.
[1:08:49] Yeah. Which, Yeah.
[1:08:59] Okay. So what is the dollar amount that we need to prove
[1:09:04] to make sure we get it right?
[1:09:07] Is it a percentage or a dollar amount?
[1:09:16] Amount? I think it's the percentage.
[1:09:17] I think you were looking for a percentage rate or a 0.8.
[1:09:20] Yeah. 86 cents.
[1:09:22] Yeah. Percentage rate
[1:09:24] 0.8603.
[1:09:27] Zero zero. Three zero.
[1:09:38] We have a motion on the,
[1:09:43] No one wants to do it, but I'll do it.
[1:09:45] I make a motion to bring the tax rate
[1:09:49] to 0.86030 for the fiscal year
[1:09:53] of 26, 27.
[1:09:56] You got that right? Yeah, that's sir you're second.
[1:10:00] I'll second it. Motion be seconded.
[1:10:03] Any further discussion? All in favor?
[1:10:07] Aye. Aye. Opposed?
[1:10:11] Okay.
[1:10:18] Okay, the next item is continuation
[1:10:20] of the waves down Fast squad.
[1:10:26] I'm gonna recuse myself right now.
[1:10:28] Okay. There's been
[1:10:33] correct me if I'm wrong,
[1:10:35] but the Fast Squad
[1:10:37] would like the fire department to take it over
[1:10:42] It.
[1:10:43] So the fire department has mentioned
[1:10:46] that they would be willing to take over the Fast Squad
[1:10:51] that their membership is willing to participate in, that
[1:10:57] the membership of the Fast Squad solely the Fast Squad has
[1:11:00] lost interest due to the fact that we're not getting called
[1:11:03] nearly as frequent frequently as year one.
[1:11:07] So I essentially, it's myself right now
[1:11:10] and the fire department goes as well.
[1:11:13] So the fire department's willing to
[1:11:18] take over leadership of that leader department,
[1:11:23] speak to that a little bit more.
[1:11:25] Yeah, so we, when it was brought us about it,
[1:11:31] I laid it out to the firemen and,
[1:11:34] and in our meeting I asked everyone to attend.
[1:11:39] Most everyone attended that night. I laid it all out.
[1:11:43] What's, you know, what's being asked of us, if
[1:11:48] had any interest in, you know, taking on the fast squad
[1:11:52] as we know that we'd have to get some, some training and,
[1:11:56] and so on so forth.
[1:11:59] Laid out what my expectations would be if,
[1:12:03] if the fire department was to take on and,
[1:12:07] and at the end of the night was boat, you know,
[1:12:10] I laid it out the boat, handed out a piece
[1:12:12] of paper every one of 'em Came back to
[1:12:16] four 14 to one 14.
[1:12:18] Yes. One no about the fire
[1:12:22] department pursuing it.
[1:12:25] I know you and I had talked shortly
[1:12:27] after that, shortly, shortly about it
[1:12:30] and kind of sounded like it was going dead in the water.
[1:12:36] Hadn't really done anything more with it than
[1:12:41] last couple weeks ago.
[1:12:43] When I heard that this was getting discussed again,
[1:12:47] I brought it back up
[1:12:49] and at that time I had asked again.
[1:12:54] It was, it was the same, it was less people that night,
[1:12:59] but it was the same majority.
[1:13:02] And then I had 'em, you know,
[1:13:04] after the names written right here, had them put a piece
[1:13:08] of paper on the table
[1:13:10] and had them put their names on for anybody
[1:13:12] who was interested in doing it.
[1:13:14] 'cause I said I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna work to get it
[1:13:19] and work with work for Barry Town and to get this up
[1:13:24] and going if nobody was gonna do it.
[1:13:26] It's, you know, I think I got
[1:13:30] 12 names down there now.
[1:13:34] So where I'm out the fire department is, is
[1:13:39] I would behalf to take on to benefit the community.
[1:13:43] I am not, you know, a medical guru like some
[1:13:46] of the others are here.
[1:13:49] But I think, you know, I think it, it is a good thing
[1:13:53] to consider continuing on for wind.
[1:13:57] You know, bury found out on our call
[1:14:03] or out on the transfer or,
[1:14:05] or you know, if they're not housed here
[1:14:10] because out doing other things.
[1:14:13] I don't think kind of like it was set up before.
[1:14:17] Originally it worked.
[1:14:21] I think it, I think if I was the fire department was
[1:14:24] to take on there, there would need to be some written
[1:14:28] expectations laid out between area town and MS
[1:14:33] and fire department and select board.
[1:14:37] Because I'm not gonna put my guys through training,
[1:14:41] getting them up, getting them up to enjoying it
[1:14:44] and then have nothing to, you know, nothing to go to.
[1:14:48] And I, you know, David could speak to Barry 10, I need mask,
[1:14:52] but the misconception
[1:14:54] of the ambulance is here 24 7
[1:14:57] unless it's out of Williamstown golf not happen.
[1:15:01] So I'm looking at it like what's best for the community.
[1:15:05] It, they're out doing something else.
[1:15:08] I'm waiting for another ambulance to come in
[1:15:11] from a different station, then we can help save a life
[1:15:16] or stop the bleeding or do chest compression.
[1:15:22] Try to make someone stay a little bit better until
[1:15:24] the ambulance can get there
[1:15:26] and then, then I support that. But
[1:15:30] We do also think that the biggest probably issue
[1:15:34] to make this work the best that we wanted it
[1:15:36] to is we do have two different dispatching systems.
[1:15:40] But I do think it gets confusing for various city dispatch
[1:15:43] to tell the fire department versus the Fast Squad.
[1:15:46] I think if we're all under one en entity, that might make
[1:15:50] that communication a little bit better
[1:15:51] for Berry City dispatch
[1:15:53] because I think sometimes when Barry Town asks for help,
[1:15:56] they don't know, might not know specifically with a go
[1:15:59] and they're calling the fire department or the Fast Squad.
[1:16:00] That's happened a few times.
[1:16:05] For example, this trauma
[1:16:07] that we had out here not too long ago
[1:16:09] that broughted multiple ambulances,
[1:16:10] but that's why they've been called to that.
[1:16:12] The only reason I started to respond is when they called the
[1:16:14] fire department for air support.
[1:16:17] So I was like, well maybe I should do it,
[1:16:18] but we were not called for that.
[1:16:20] So I found that a little frustrating.
[1:16:22] So I think there's just, there's a communication issue also.
[1:16:26] But I think if we were one entity,
[1:16:28] you know the fire department was
[1:16:29] also fault for the accident.
[1:16:31] The Fast Squad would've also essentially been there.
[1:16:34] 'cause we've been trained as members
[1:16:35] of the fire department, if that makes
[1:16:38] Sense.
[1:16:39] Just a clarifying question, real quick comment
[1:16:41] On that One second Steve.
[1:16:43] I, is it that Williamstown is
[1:16:47] different dispatch than
[1:16:49] This has been a problem since than Barry day one?
[1:16:52] Yeah, but but that's,
[1:16:53] and what you're talking about is Williamstown is a different
[1:16:56] dispatch than Correct. Okay. Okay. I was just,
[1:16:58] And I can't believe in this day
[1:17:00] and age that everybody can't get on the same page.
[1:17:04] This is a bunch of,
[1:17:07] I agree And I think a lot of us are doing this web
[1:17:10] of work also agree with that
[1:17:12] Sometimes this this day
[1:17:13] and age, this shouldn't be an issue.
[1:17:15] And I don't know what the answer is but,
[1:17:18] and I was talking to Ryan about this last week.
[1:17:20] We're going to get to the bottom of it
[1:17:22] and I'm gonna figure it out
[1:17:23] because this has been going on now for two years.
[1:17:26] Yeah. Now I've got a little issue.
[1:17:30] Two months ago we needed an ambulance at the house.
[1:17:34] It was over 20 minutes before an ambulance showed up.
[1:17:40] The EMT that showed up was the ambulance was super,
[1:17:44] that gal knew her crap.
[1:17:45] Like you would not believe the driver of
[1:17:48] that ambulance shouldn't have been driving a wheelbarrow
[1:17:52] because he couldn't turn the ambulance around with me trying
[1:17:57] to which, yeah, with me trying to guide him
[1:18:00] because he wouldn't, it was raining in some
[1:18:01] and he wouldn't roll his window down
[1:18:03] enough so I could guide him back.
[1:18:04] He was trying to do it on his own
[1:18:05] and he definitely couldn't back up the mirrors.
[1:18:09] So I have zero faith
[1:18:13] in them right now because of that.
[1:18:15] If my neighbor across the road was having a heart attack,
[1:18:18] he'd be dead before they ever got there.
[1:18:21] That really irritates the hell out of me.
[1:18:25] We used to have an ambulance up at the house quite regular
[1:18:28] and the longest we ever waited for one
[1:18:31] was less than eight minutes.
[1:18:35] That one was all volunteer with nobody supposedly
[1:18:39] stationed here at the public safety building.
[1:18:42] So I think that's a total disaster
[1:18:47] and I was afraid of that from the get go.
[1:18:51] And I'm still upset about it
[1:18:52] and I probably will always be upset about it
[1:18:55] and there's just no excuse for 'em.
[1:18:58] If they can't be in it, we'll do something different.
[1:19:04] But they shouldn't, we shouldn't
[1:19:05] have 'em if they can't do it. I
[1:19:07] Can tell you for sure what we had before wasn't working.
[1:19:10] Well it worked, it worked for us at the house.
[1:19:12] I'll tell you that every time we called for the ambulance,
[1:19:14] like I said, it was less than eight minutes was
[1:19:16] the longest one we ever waited.
[1:19:18] And that was in the winter time
[1:19:20] with snow on the road at midnight.
[1:19:24] So that's my experience.
[1:19:25] And it wasn't just a one or two shot deal
[1:19:28] because my late wife had an ambulance come up quite regular.
[1:19:33] Okay. So I,
[1:19:34] I'm just saying the system right now is failing badly.
[1:19:38] A lot worse than the old one did.
[1:19:41] Well here, one of the
[1:19:43] first time I ever heard anybody complain about
[1:19:45] It.
[1:19:46] Well obviously nobody said anything
[1:19:47] Because before we were getting many,
[1:19:49] many complaints about it. Yeah,
[1:19:50] Well I never had a complaint before
[1:19:52] and like I said, we lived way out of town
[1:19:54] and there was always snow on the road in the wintertime
[1:19:57] in the middle of the night because obviously a town truck
[1:20:00] isn't going out around the clock.
[1:20:03] I mean there's no need of it.
[1:20:05] And you know, when you got six, seven inches
[1:20:07] of snow on the road and the ambulance is there in less than
[1:20:09] eight minutes, I'd say that's pretty good
[1:20:13] Response time.
[1:20:15] Yeah, I won't disagree with you on that.
[1:20:19] I, when I, William and I had the discussion, my biggest fear
[1:20:24] of this is we got a very good fire department, very young,
[1:20:28] very energetic, good, good, good people.
[1:20:32] A lot of towns watching on the news lately are struggling
[1:20:35] to get volunteers for, to fill their fire departments.
[1:20:40] I'm just afraid if you take on this,
[1:20:44] everybody wants to do this.
[1:20:46] All sounds great. We went through this
[1:20:48] with the ambulance squad, we went through it
[1:20:50] with the Fast Squad and a few months into it people start
[1:20:56] dropping off and next thing you go, you got,
[1:20:58] you don't have enough people to make it work.
[1:20:59] Start with, I'm just worried that we would
[1:21:04] burn out our good firemen taking
[1:21:09] this on extra duty on,
[1:21:12] and I dunno they was you Tyler,
[1:21:16] I contacted Barry City dispatch to see how many
[1:21:20] responses the PA squad was dispatched to.
[1:21:23] How many they responded to,
[1:21:24] how many they did not respond to.
[1:21:26] The first page is, yes, this is the first page.
[1:21:32] So lemme see, which was January 1st, 2025,
[1:21:35] December 31st, 2025.
[1:21:37] They responded.
[1:21:43] I got that kind of reiterate pages
[1:21:45] 16 calls, they responded to every single call
[1:21:46] That that kind of reiterates what I just said.
[1:21:48] 25, they responded to all of them.
[1:21:51] And then this year there was 20 calls they responded to four
[1:21:54] Membership.
[1:21:55] Currently the active members that have one took over leading
[1:22:00] Mont failure, one became a paramedic, it's left me,
[1:22:04] I haven't been able to recruit anybody.
[1:22:06] 'cause the last several calls that we've had, most
[1:22:08] of the calls of this year have been left assist only.
[1:22:12] So the fire departs getting called
[1:22:14] for those anyway and then dissolve it.
[1:22:16] The fire department's gonna get called for those.
[1:22:18] I think it makes sense to, to combine them both
[1:22:23] and increase their training.
[1:22:25] They get first aid training
[1:22:26] as a requirement anyway for the department.
[1:22:28] So having a is basically the same thing.
[1:22:32] Maybe adding a little bit more.
[1:22:33] So it wouldn't really be any increased, like a large amount
[1:22:38] of training to add to them to get them going.
[1:22:44] But the response, the, like I,
[1:22:46] year one we have like 10 members
[1:22:48] and now I have pretty much me,
[1:22:50] it's showing up when I'm available
[1:22:52] and I can't be available 24 7.
[1:22:54] But a lot of people stop because of what was being called
[1:22:58] for lip assist or they went off
[1:23:00] and furthered their career,
[1:23:01] which is essentially what we want them to do. But,
[1:23:06] So so you mentioned the majority
[1:23:07] of the calls are Lyft assist for this year.
[1:23:10] That's what Because, because this shows only
[1:23:12] three Lyft assists.
[1:23:14] This is 25 and this one's 26.
[1:23:17] Yeah, this is 26 I 26 the first year.
[1:23:21] Yeah, I know, but I'm, I'm just,
[1:23:22] I'm just saying like you mentioned,
[1:23:24] the majority is list assist,
[1:23:25] but this only shows three lift assists out of the,
[1:23:29] I guess it's technically 19, there's 20 calls,
[1:23:32] but one of them was accidental dispatch.
[1:23:33] So 1919 calls,
[1:23:37] I don't know if, well some
[1:23:39] of these we get auto turn tell the fire department.
[1:23:41] So the fires, I would,
[1:23:43] those ones we yes get called with the fire department.
[1:23:49] We had some calls. Some
[1:23:50] of these motor vehicle accidents might be the interstate
[1:23:52] ones, which we've been dispatched to
[1:23:53] and we're not supposed to go to.
[1:23:56] And what Marie's saying about that, again, there's a qualm
[1:23:58] between having two dispatchers.
[1:24:02] Berry City wasn't getting contacted
[1:24:04] and I, when I was getting this information, I was talking
[1:24:06] to, I can't remember the gentleman's name,
[1:24:08] it's listed on the sheet.
[1:24:09] I don't have it obviously in my hand.
[1:24:11] But Larry, the, the way the, if the public doesn't know,
[1:24:14] the way the 9 1 1 system works, you dial 9 1 1,
[1:24:19] it goes to a larger dispatcher.
[1:24:22] So generally in Williamstown, that's Williston Vermont
[1:24:25] Williston answers the phone says, where do you live?
[1:24:29] Where's the call? Where is it on the interstate?
[1:24:31] Then they type into the computer and get Bar City dispatch.
[1:24:35] But I guess I learned this a day or two ago.
[1:24:37] Lamo dispatch is also is called a psat. Yeah.
[1:24:40] So if it goes just right to Lamo, they're gonna dispatch
[1:24:44] and the caller says Hello,
[1:24:47] I saw a car off the road on I nine near exit five.
[1:24:50] Are there any injuries? No, there are no injuries.
[1:24:52] Boom, fire department gets dispatched.
[1:24:54] But if there are injuries, they're just going
[1:24:58] to dis dispatch the ambulance
[1:24:59] and then maybe the fire department
[1:25:01] and then Berry City will say, okay,
[1:25:03] well there's injuries, we're gonna send both.
[1:25:05] There's just a lack of communication with all of that.
[1:25:08] And I think
[1:25:10] what happened when we got our new ambulance being two
[1:25:12] different dispatch agencies.
[1:25:15] Barry Berry City was both Williamstown ambulances
[1:25:17] and Williamstown Fire Department's dispatcher.
[1:25:20] So they both got dispatched correctly
[1:25:22] because it was the same dispatching agency.
[1:25:25] My previous career in Chitman County,
[1:25:28] my department had a dispatcher.
[1:25:30] The college had a dispatching agency.
[1:25:32] The, I'll be honest,
[1:25:34] south Burlington had a dispatching agency.
[1:25:36] They all had different dispatching agencies.
[1:25:38] But when I went to those other communities, I switched
[1:25:41] to the channel of that, of that community.
[1:25:44] So I'll be honest with everybody worked for Burlington,
[1:25:47] Vermont Fire,
[1:25:48] but if we had medical call at UVM,
[1:25:50] they had their own dispatching frequency.
[1:25:52] So we had to switch from our frequency in Burlington,
[1:25:54] which was called Abel to UVMs to talk to the UVM ambulance.
[1:25:59] And that's the big concern with a lot of this.
[1:26:02] And what I was very surprised
[1:26:04] with when I looked at all the data,
[1:26:07] the Fast Squad was never dispatched to any cardiac arrests.
[1:26:11] And you know, I brought this, so again,
[1:26:14] the public can see this is, it's called team focused CPR.
[1:26:18] So it's also off anyone's a NASCAR fan.
[1:26:21] It's called PIT who CPR. That's actually in the protocol.
[1:26:24] So CPR has changed significantly over the years where
[1:26:29] every two minutes.
[1:26:30] So it's a 30 to two compressions to breaths.
[1:26:35] After that two minutes, the person doing chest
[1:26:38] compressions has to rotate.
[1:26:40] And that reason for that is physical stability
[1:26:43] of the person doing compressions.
[1:26:46] I cannot believe we have not had a cardiac,
[1:26:48] and I don't want to say we've had,
[1:26:49] I don't want cardiac arrest to have in our community.
[1:26:52] The whole point of that is when CPR is being performed,
[1:26:55] it's being performed at the highest level.
[1:26:57] And this came out of Seattle, Washington
[1:26:59] where they started doing this
[1:27:00] and Vermont accepted this protocol
[1:27:03] I would say maybe a decade ago.
[1:27:06] So it it, I don't understand
[1:27:11] how an ambulance that I do believe,
[1:27:12] and I Dave can tell me, I'm not sure how,
[1:27:16] I think there's two to three people on our ambulance
[1:27:18] that are stationed in Williamstown.
[1:27:20] But realistically you need five to seven to be doing CPR.
[1:27:24] So the fast squad was never dispatched over the last two
[1:27:27] years to a cardiac arrest.
[1:27:30] And is that the best care
[1:27:32] for the person in the most significant pain?
[1:27:35] I've been doing EMS since I was 16
[1:27:38] and I'm not patting myself on the back.
[1:27:40] I've had two CPR saves both in Burlington, Vermont
[1:27:43] and one in my current employer where there was lots
[1:27:46] of doctors, lots of medications, lots of nurses.
[1:27:50] But since I was 16 years old
[1:27:52] and I'm now 40, I've only saved three people CPR And
[1:27:55] that was the best circumstance given.
[1:27:58] And two of them, the ones that I saved in my previous
[1:28:00] career, they were cardiac arrest as we showed up.
[1:28:04] So they, they got the advantage that 9 1 1 called,
[1:28:08] they literally lost their pulse while the
[1:28:10] ambulance was pulling into the driveway.
[1:28:12] So CPR was started within 30 seconds.
[1:28:16] William. Yep.
[1:28:20] Just to kind of go back to one question that you,
[1:28:24] you had asked and, and Scott was making a comment on,
[1:28:28] so I'll answer 'em separately.
[1:28:31] The communications medications, I, I believe,
[1:28:36] I mean Dave and I had have been dealing
[1:28:39] with this from day one.
[1:28:41] I think without going back and doing any kind of studies
[1:28:46] and research that I do believe that 9 1 1 end of it
[1:28:51] has gotten a little bit better.
[1:28:53] I do feel that when Berry Town Ambulance gets called
[1:28:58] to an accident that, that the fire department is not fired
[1:29:02] behind there.
[1:29:05] I had gotten questioned on our response time to the,
[1:29:10] the bad accident a couple weeks ago
[1:29:14] and it it led me to think I maybe needed
[1:29:16] to check in the times I checked with both dispatchers.
[1:29:19] We were, we were two minutes
[1:29:20] behind getting called after Barry Town.
[1:29:23] MS not a huge, not not a big deal compared
[1:29:27] to what it used to be.
[1:29:29] Where the communication problems lie now is,
[1:29:34] I don't know, one more I can do.
[1:29:35] We, we program Memorial indoor radio radios,
[1:29:39] we have tried multiple times to reach
[1:29:43] reach Berry town EMS
[1:29:46] and my exact words are Williamstown engine one two
[1:29:51] Berry Town EMS responding, Williamstown
[1:29:55] crickets and crickets.
[1:29:58] I get nothing. I talked to one of the medics here
[1:30:03] a few days later when I caught off to someone and it's
[1:30:06] 'cause they don't carry portable radios on 'em.
[1:30:09] So once they're out of the ambulance, they're out, you know,
[1:30:12] all communications, they're lost.
[1:30:15] Sure. It, it, it is a big, that that's just a,
[1:30:20] it's a concern and a pet peeve of mine
[1:30:21] because we need, you know, fire department needs to know
[1:30:24] what we're getting into and we've had two motorcycle
[1:30:27] accidents in Williamstown, this, this, she
[1:30:31] within a month of each other.
[1:30:33] And when you hear motorcycle accident,
[1:30:35] you instantly think the worst.
[1:30:37] So what are we up against?
[1:30:40] And them being right here
[1:30:43] or usually here in the station,
[1:30:45] they're gonna get there first.
[1:30:47] I mean, unless we're sitting here tonight,
[1:30:49] like we are out there, you know, we have a chance
[1:30:53] to race them, but they're gonna, they're gonna beat us
[1:30:56] to the scene all the time as they're here.
[1:31:01] So getting that vital information to know
[1:31:04] what we're up against and, and,
[1:31:05] and where, where I have a problem
[1:31:07] with the communications is, is up at the bad accident.
[1:31:12] A few weeks ago, the discussion
[1:31:15] of needing dark helicopter was brought
[1:31:17] up my incident command.
[1:31:20] I was not at that one. I was on vacation.
[1:31:23] The incident commander was standing in the group of medics
[1:31:28] when this discussion was being brought up.
[1:31:32] We need dark. My incident commander asked you,
[1:31:37] are you asking for Dar I gave him a disgusted look,
[1:31:42] went to the radio, went through the MO memorial, had
[1:31:46] to then get a hold of us.
[1:31:47] I don't know how much better we give when your face to face.
[1:31:51] Boom boom. I mean a whole that that,
[1:31:55] that's just a whole nother discussion.
[1:31:56] But I think the issues we were having
[1:31:59] between fire department not getting called
[1:32:02] and marytown EMS getting called
[1:32:03] and Dave, maybe you, you can agree or best disagree,
[1:32:06] but I think that has gotten a little bit better.
[1:32:09] It's now the communications when we're on scene.
[1:32:14] So there's my answer to that
[1:32:16] and to yours about people getting burnt out.
[1:32:20] I I, I laid it, like I said, I laid it all out to 'em
[1:32:25] my expectations if, you know, if we continue on with it,
[1:32:32] Dave, you know, was agreement of it, you know, people,
[1:32:38] I feel the fire department
[1:32:39] and I don't wanna speak for all the firemen,
[1:32:42] but we come here on Monday nights because it's fun.
[1:32:46] We go to the calls because we have a good
[1:32:48] time helping people.
[1:32:50] Our job is to help somebody on their worst day try
[1:32:54] to make 'em all try
[1:32:55] to make their worst day a little bit better.
[1:32:59] And do we have fun doing it? Yeah, we have fun doing it.
[1:33:03] We don't do it for the money, we don't do it
[1:33:05] for a slap on the back.
[1:33:07] We just want to simply help people.
[1:33:09] And I think when the people
[1:33:14] that actually put their names down on here, some
[1:33:16] of 'em actually surprised me that they,
[1:33:19] you know, would want to do it.
[1:33:21] But it all comes back to, you know what, you know,
[1:33:24] what more can we do to help the community?
[1:33:29] You know, Tyler could probably could either answer to it
[1:33:33] or whatnot, but I hold, I hold the guys
[1:33:37] and gals to a, you know, a standard of
[1:33:41] if you're gonna do this, you're gonna, you're gonna do it
[1:33:43] and if you're not gonna do it,
[1:33:45] then you need to need to move on.
[1:33:47] You need to put in the effort, you need to put in the time,
[1:33:50] you need to put in the training hours.
[1:33:54] And I think people come here on Monday nights, not
[1:33:56] because it's a requirement but
[1:33:58] because it's not, it's something
[1:34:00] to do with help the community.
[1:34:03] So if it is done right
[1:34:05] and if it is done the way we can all agree on it being done,
[1:34:12] getting those calls going out, having a thrill of coming,
[1:34:17] I I truly think it could be, could be sustainable
[1:34:22] and go, I don't, you know, we all agree
[1:34:25] we don't wanna be like some
[1:34:27] of the other fast squads in the area.
[1:34:29] We don't wanna go with everything.
[1:34:31] 'cause as I'm sure Berry Town can agree,
[1:34:35] I mean sometimes you probably just are in the way
[1:34:37] and you don't need that many people.
[1:34:41] But when the ambulance is coming from, you know, Berlin
[1:34:44] or East Berry or,
[1:34:45] or back from the hospital, wherever it's coming from
[1:34:49] and there's a fireman down the road
[1:34:51] that can start pumping on your chest
[1:34:54] or holding on the bleed until more supplies and,
[1:34:58] and more trained people get there, then I,
[1:35:03] I really, really can't argue with not doing it.
[1:35:07] So that that's, that's where we're at.
[1:35:11] If you guys decide you don't wanna do it, you don't want us
[1:35:15] to continue it on, you know, that's fine.
[1:35:20] But it just seems like we should we, we should try
[1:35:26] it is something that you consider and wanting us to do
[1:35:29] or continue on.
[1:35:31] All I ask is that between Barry County EMS
[1:35:34] and you, you give us a year, give us a year to try it,
[1:35:37] give us a year to show that we're doing it
[1:35:40] and that we don't hold up our end
[1:35:44] and you can send us all down,
[1:35:46] send us all down the road after. As
[1:35:48] Far as the monetary end of it,
[1:35:51] you think you can stay within that $12,000 budget
[1:35:54] that we originally proposed for the fast what
[1:35:58] I did?
[1:35:59] I mean even I think even between the fire budget.
[1:36:02] 'cause at that point it's all,
[1:36:05] I think it all become one budget as far
[1:36:07] as the pay payroll goes.
[1:36:12] I do. I mean if you, if you take the additional 12,000
[1:36:14] and slap it in there, you know, again, I don't,
[1:36:20] David could probably come out
[1:36:21] and rattle some numbers at some point.
[1:36:24] I'm not saying that we're gonna go to a hundred
[1:36:25] and assist calls.
[1:36:28] I, you know, but I, I think that budget
[1:36:33] between our fire budget could be sustainable.
[1:36:37] I don't, I don't think we've gone over
[1:36:40] payroll in the last couple of years that it is.
[1:36:45] But yes, you've gotta, you gotta account they, you know,
[1:36:48] they would be going to more
[1:36:50] and it wouldn't be, it wouldn't,
[1:36:52] it would not be like the fire department.
[1:36:54] Like right now you've got, you know,
[1:36:56] when a fire call comes in, you get called people
[1:37:01] when when the fast broad calls come in, especially
[1:37:03] during the day might get one, you might get two at night,
[1:37:08] you might get four or five.
[1:37:10] And that's something that I, I did portray
[1:37:14] to the firemen when we were discussed at both times that
[1:37:18] if you're, if you hear two, three people sign on, that is,
[1:37:23] you know, dream with
[1:37:24] what the ambulance is when an ambulance is coming.
[1:37:28] So three or four people sign on that you're going to it.
[1:37:31] That's probably, you know, probably enough
[1:37:35] and we don't need to send 12 people to do it.
[1:37:41] Ask for supplies. We still have a bunch
[1:37:42] of stuff left over from the ambulance
[1:37:45] that does not fire just like gauze and stuff
[1:37:48] and still a bunch of that to redo
[1:37:50] kits for all of the trucks.
[1:37:52] Right now they have just little back first day kits.
[1:37:54] So I would do bigger kits for them
[1:37:57] so they have more supplies on each truck.
[1:38:00] But we have plenty and coats in that closet
[1:38:03] that would get 'em going.
[1:38:07] I think the only supply that we need to exchange
[1:38:08] for them is a DD pads that are expired.
[1:38:12] But everything else could is well
[1:38:16] and the past, the plan was anyway, if we have anything
[1:38:19] that was due to expire,
[1:38:20] we swap out very down that we do something.
[1:38:23] I'm assuming that would be the same contract if, if
[1:38:28] our fast flood state license does expire in December.
[1:38:33] So if we decide not to switch it over,
[1:38:36] the passport essentially would be done in December.
[1:38:41] But I'd like to see the fire department take it on
[1:38:44] and I would still be an active member and assist.
[1:38:50] I just, I can't do it by myself right now.
[1:38:52] I can't get people who want to join
[1:38:54] and the fire department's being called anyway so.
[1:38:57] Right. That goes the next question.
[1:38:59] I mean I've said this in the past, you know,
[1:39:04] Williamstown's a town
[1:39:05] of population roughly 3,700 people versus Berry City,
[1:39:10] bumpier Berry town of 10 to 12,000 people.
[1:39:14] We can't, we can't compete service wise with the,
[1:39:19] we get a very good thing with Berry Town
[1:39:21] with their service at a very,
[1:39:26] you know, reasonable price.
[1:39:27] We're we're paying less now than we used to pay.
[1:39:29] We had our own stuff and it's a higher level of service.
[1:39:34] I guess the real question is, is there really need
[1:39:36] for set Fast Squad to start with with with
[1:39:39] what we have at Barry Town?
[1:39:40] I mean we, like you just said, you started it,
[1:39:44] everybody's enthusiastic.
[1:39:45] I was involved in those very first meetings.
[1:39:48] It was kind of a gentle letdown from the ambulance squad
[1:39:51] to give him up to, to this fast squad thing.
[1:39:57] I like that few people. I'd like to,
[1:39:59] I said it started out good The squad meeting,
[1:40:01] Then it fizzles out just like the,
[1:40:03] just like the ambulance was doing
[1:40:05] before we made the decision to do what we do.
[1:40:09] I guess my question would be to Dave, you see
[1:40:14] I was talking to with your CH select board chairman
[1:40:17] and one issue William
[1:40:19] and I talked about was you were transporting the,
[1:40:21] the ambulance outta here one time
[1:40:24] and there was a lag time in what incident?
[1:40:27] I don't remember. It was not recently
[1:40:29] but what years or so ago, whatever.
[1:40:31] No, and it was in the spring Snow was Mel. So,
[1:40:36] But he, he informed me
[1:40:38] that you bought a new ambulance just for transport.
[1:40:42] Yes. So is that,
[1:40:44] that helped alleviate any issues like that or
[1:40:47] Yeah, so I can give you a kind of a broad overview
[1:40:49] to address a few things.
[1:40:52] So yes we did, we did buy a transport unit that works
[1:40:58] 12 hours a day handling you know, non bunch
[1:41:00] of transports from the majority of the time
[1:41:02] there's gonna be overlapping calls.
[1:41:04] You know, there's gonna be times when we're not in the
[1:41:07] station 'cause we're out on another call, you know,
[1:41:09] transporting, coming back from hospitals believe that like
[1:41:11] that in, since we've been here
[1:41:16] January 1st of 24, we've handled just shy
[1:41:19] of 1459 1 1 calls in the town of Williamstown.
[1:41:23] Our average time of call to on scene for all of those calls.
[1:41:27] Now some are gonna be a little longer depending on
[1:41:29] where we are and time are gonna be shorter,
[1:41:31] but our average time is eight minutes and nine seconds.
[1:41:35] So I'm happy
[1:41:37] to look at specifics if people bring them to me.
[1:41:39] But to see, you know, if there was some issue like,
[1:41:42] like I said, there's gonna be some
[1:41:43] that are a little longer depending on where you live.
[1:41:45] Even coming from here to, you know, different places
[1:41:49] as William Tyler alluded to is the nine one one system
[1:41:53] you call 9 1 1 I get threeway
[1:41:55] to the dispatch center, get three relay to us.
[1:41:56] That all takes some time.
[1:41:59] To Tyler's point, I can't give specifics obviously,
[1:42:03] but we have had two cardiac arrest in the last
[1:42:06] 18 months of Williamstown.
[1:42:07] Cultural rotations are still alive.
[1:42:10] We do invest heavily in technology
[1:42:15] and we have auto pulses on our trucks.
[1:42:18] So the two that I speak of, I, I could look back
[1:42:21] and see if there's other ones that I, that I,
[1:42:23] these ones I'm specifically knowledge about
[1:42:24] because we give our providers a an commendation if they say
[1:42:28] someone's life, one of 'em when the cardiac arrest
[1:42:32] as our crew walked through the door
[1:42:33] and the other one at some point between the call
[1:42:35] and when they got there with the difficulty breathing.
[1:42:39] So, but we have all pulses.
[1:42:40] So if the patient is in cardiac arrest,
[1:42:42] they get put on a machine
[1:42:43] and that machine does the compressions for us.
[1:42:47] But I'm not saying that if we work coming from ways
[1:42:50] where it's not beneficial to that health because it is.
[1:42:53] So I would never talk a town out of taking care
[1:42:57] of people in their own community even, you know,
[1:42:59] if we are here and because there's, there's unknowns, right?
[1:43:03] There's, if there's a structure fire and we're there
[1:43:06] and there's a call across town,
[1:43:07] if we're coming back from the hospital,
[1:43:08] if we're on another call to Marie's point, we
[1:43:14] can exchange equipment so that wouldn't
[1:43:15] or you know, help provide some of the extra equipment if the
[1:43:20] fire departments to take it on.
[1:43:23] We also have the capacity to handle the training
[1:43:26] so we can do the classes or whatever is needed for the task.
[1:43:31] So to that point, you know,
[1:43:37] we're here, we're providing the service
[1:43:39] that everyone's come to expect.
[1:43:42] But I wouldn't say, I wouldn't advise against it
[1:43:47] because that's just not like, I don't,
[1:43:49] I'm not gonna advise the community not
[1:43:51] to have their own members care for their own people
[1:43:55] when they have the option now.
[1:43:57] So to the thing we're seeing there is a downward trend of,
[1:44:02] you know, fast squads in the area that are struggling.
[1:44:06] We have seen some successes with the, you know,
[1:44:10] combining the entities
[1:44:11] because you can see a little bit of a lesser response.
[1:44:14] So like to William's point, call comes out for help.
[1:44:19] He doesn't need to send 20 people every time,
[1:44:21] you know, they can either.
[1:44:22] However he wants to run his operation,
[1:44:24] have a little call sign up sheet where he is gonna have two
[1:44:26] or three people work to his 0.2 or three people sign on.
[1:44:29] That's good enough for this call.
[1:44:34] And you know, I think it does help with
[1:44:38] when the fire department, when it's one combined it to be,
[1:44:42] it helps with a lot of things communication
[1:44:45] to both of their points.
[1:44:46] It's, it can be dicey dispatching when you're talking about
[1:44:50] 9 1 1 multiple dispatch centers, multiple agencies.
[1:44:53] So there is some utility in in consolidating
[1:44:56] that into one system.
[1:45:00] It also gives us a better opportunity to train
[1:45:02] with one entity if, you know, if they want
[1:45:05] to do education training or whatever that training is
[1:45:07] and then we can be involved in it also helps
[1:45:10] with the departmental of communication.
[1:45:13] With any luck Scott, we're gonna have,
[1:45:16] I hope in Vermont in the next year
[1:45:18] or two, hopefully sooner, a statewide CAD system,
[1:45:22] computer aid, computer computerated dispatching which will
[1:45:25] go to great lengths to solve decade old problems in Vermont
[1:45:29] of emergency communication.
[1:45:32] It's not isolated to Berry Town or Williamstown
[1:45:35] or it's a statewide problem
[1:45:37] that the state is just a vested $11 million in a statewide
[1:45:41] task force to look at all these issues
[1:45:43] because it's been such an issue.
[1:45:44] As Tyler said in Chip County, there's
[1:45:47] the dispatch center on every street corner.
[1:45:51] So we're hopeful that that's gonna go a long way.
[1:45:55] Radio communication.
[1:45:57] In the last six weeks
[1:45:59] we have turned on our simulcast system.
[1:46:02] The town Barry spent around a half a million dollars
[1:46:04] upgrading our towers.
[1:46:05] So now we have two towers in town, the simulcast.
[1:46:09] So William, if you try it, you should be able
[1:46:12] to talk on portable 12 one now then left
[1:46:16] where you probably couldn't three months ago.
[1:46:20] What about fire to ambulance? It should, it should.
[1:46:23] If it goes to the repeater you should be able
[1:46:25] to much clearer.
[1:46:27] 'cause it used to be just Tower Road,
[1:46:28] now it's Tower Road and Lin Road.
[1:46:31] But what about your people answering back?
[1:46:35] I mean problem we have borders in the trucks.
[1:46:37] They don't always take 'em out when they're,
[1:46:39] when they're getting out of the truck.
[1:46:40] That's so I can certainly ask them
[1:46:45] to more often, but it's not
[1:46:46] always something that all of 'em do.
[1:46:48] Some of 'em do, some don't. No, it's your, your protocol.
[1:46:51] I just, it is just mind boggling
[1:46:53] that in today's times you go into a people's houses
[1:46:57] and some of the state mine people are in all
[1:47:00] of a sudden held at gunpoint and they have no communication.
[1:47:04] I, I mean I think a lot of it has been
[1:47:05] that the radio tower issues
[1:47:07] and now that we've turned that all on
[1:47:09] because six months ago there were many places
[1:47:11] where you could use portable radio and now we can.
[1:47:14] So it's, it is greatly improved.
[1:47:18] So that's my long winded spiel.
[1:47:21] I'm happy to take any questions
[1:47:22] but it has any specific ones.
[1:47:25] Did you guys move into your new building up in Berlin
[1:47:28] Yet? Soon?
[1:47:29] So any chance taking all your dog lovers
[1:47:34] and moving 'em up there?
[1:47:39] I, there's, there are different stations depending on,
[1:47:43] I move 'em around depending on certifications and whatnot.
[1:47:48] Okay, I have a question.
[1:47:51] So the fast forward's budget right now is $12,000 a
[1:47:54] year total?
[1:47:56] Yes, yes, Yes. Okay.
[1:47:58] So as a resident I don't think that
[1:48:01] that's money deemed would want to not spend just
[1:48:05] to save, it could save one life.
[1:48:08] $12,000 is a drop in the bucket.
[1:48:11] It goes into the general fund.
[1:48:13] Anything that's not used,
[1:48:14] are you saying you want more funding?
[1:48:16] No, I'm saying that we shouldn't not have a fast fund if
[1:48:19] just because of it it's financial.
[1:48:22] Larry was saying did he even leave it?
[1:48:24] No, it's, it's not really a financial thing.
[1:48:26] Again, I can show you the,
[1:48:28] Well I don't, I don't, I'm just saying I think it,
[1:48:31] I think if the fire department's willing to take it on,
[1:48:34] they should absolutely do it. We shouldn't be without,
[1:48:36] Yeah, no and and I think you know
[1:48:40] with within the fire department discussions
[1:48:43] and the reason I'm sitting back here
[1:48:44] and not up the select board, this is the hard thing when
[1:48:46] you're yeah a member of a public agency
[1:48:48] and also a government official,
[1:48:51] but within our meetings too, like
[1:48:56] he was saying a lot of fast squads that they've dealt
[1:48:58] with like Washington, I'm trying to think of others
[1:49:01] that might have 'em, but those fast squads got
[1:49:04] are called for everything.
[1:49:06] What Williamstown's belief is
[1:49:08] and the benefit financial benefit
[1:49:11] but also helping benefit is when the ambulance
[1:49:14] that's at this station is no longer at the station.
[1:49:17] Yeah. That's when the fast squad gets dispatched.
[1:49:20] And it could be someone stubbed their toe, who cares
[1:49:23] Because realistically I've had a lot of experience,
[1:49:26] I've been doing this since I was 16 years old.
[1:49:28] I always love telling this story.
[1:49:30] In my previous career, this is just not a funny one,
[1:49:32] but we got a dispatch for someone that fell off a bench
[1:49:36] and my partner literally jiggled or sorry giggled at me
[1:49:39] and said oh what a bad call he, he did fall off a bench
[1:49:43] down the 75 foot embankment
[1:49:45] but we got the call, the call came is falling off a bench
[1:49:48] that required rope systems and lots of people.
[1:49:51] So that's where nine one also has its little qualms.
[1:49:54] So, but the fire department,
[1:49:56] and William can correct me if I'm wrong,
[1:49:59] but the Fast squad that the fire department wants
[1:50:01] to be moving forward with is when Barry Town
[1:50:05] is not in the station automatic call and
[1:50:08] or when they go like say they have a heavy
[1:50:11] patient, they need a lift assist.
[1:50:13] Absolutely. But if they're here they can do the job.
[1:50:15] There's no reason for the fast squad.
[1:50:17] Yeah, it's those two scenarios
[1:50:18] and I think he's explained in the past,
[1:50:20] you know again if a fast squad gets called to every little
[1:50:24] call they that is gonna wear them down.
[1:50:27] But the fire department's again,
[1:50:29] am I incorrect with that chief?
[1:50:31] So that's the purpose is as soon as that ambulance goes out,
[1:50:36] Memorial knows the ambulance station
[1:50:37] in Williamstown is gone.
[1:50:39] As soon as they get a second medical call
[1:50:40] or whatever it might be, boom
[1:50:43] the fire department fast squad is dispatched and
[1:50:46] or if they need a lift assist
[1:50:48] or they have a CPR call automatic,
[1:50:51] those are, we are here to help you.
[1:50:54] That's the reales thing we can say. Well
[1:50:58] If I may just ask Dave, you know what Tyler just said,
[1:51:02] it is what we talked about being called when
[1:51:07] that ambulance has been station, is that something that
[1:51:10] between you guys and Memorial would be feasible to do?
[1:51:14] I mean, yeah, there's gonna be times when, like right now
[1:51:19] for example during the day we staff five ambulances.
[1:51:23] One of those ambulances is because we're busy
[1:51:26] and that ambulance is a float ambulance.
[1:51:28] So if this crew goes out during the day,
[1:51:31] that crew is gonna be in South Berry and leave
[1:51:33] and head toward here or head towards East Berry Broad.
[1:51:36] Now if there's, if all three stations are out,
[1:51:38] whichever one went out first,
[1:51:39] they're gonna be rolling that way.
[1:51:41] So you know, or they're gonna come back
[1:51:43] and sit in Southbury in the middle of it all.
[1:51:46] So we can certainly look at that.
[1:51:48] But there might be a time when they're rolling down the
[1:51:50] road, you know, they're, they're all
[1:51:53] by the cemetery and the call goes out.
[1:51:55] They're not sitting the station, you probably won't get
[1:51:56] called 'cause dispatch knows that they're here.
[1:51:59] So yeah, we,
[1:52:00] but we can certainly look at that, you know, making sure
[1:52:02] that when they are, when that truck's not on duty
[1:52:04] and this truck goes out, that
[1:52:06] that they're called with you guys.
[1:52:07] I, I mean I can't speak for the driver around
[1:52:09] but I'm assuming if we were to get canceled
[1:52:11] because you get a crew that's close by,
[1:52:14] I don't think people are gonna be upset about that.
[1:52:18] I think it's just more of not getting pulled.
[1:52:20] Like I was in town when that traffic accident happened
[1:52:24] and the didn't get toned
[1:52:26] and the fire got told a couple times that
[1:52:28] by the time the second or the one for the dark
[1:52:31] came out I was like, they more hands
[1:52:34] because the fire department gets
[1:52:35] during the day they less people.
[1:52:37] So I started to head that way and then that got canceled.
[1:52:41] But I just like, I don't know,
[1:52:44] I just feel like we didn't, we're we haven gotten call
[1:52:47] to the capacity that we could have.
[1:52:49] And I get that. I don't have the membership right now.
[1:52:52] We, we started off great, we started off
[1:52:54] with like 40 calls first year full roster.
[1:52:58] It was just dwindled. But I would like to still provide
[1:53:02] that service one way or the other for this community.
[1:53:07] That particular call, there was a truck here
[1:53:09] and two in South Bay.
[1:53:10] So there was three influences there and
[1:53:14] Not all the time.
[1:53:15] Yeah, and
[1:53:17] Well like I said before, you know, for
[1:53:20] not a small small town,
[1:53:22] but we're less than medium sized
[1:53:24] town compared to cities around us.
[1:53:27] We can't be everything for everybody like the cities can do.
[1:53:31] We're not gonna have people there instantly.
[1:53:33] Like the cities can do.
[1:53:35] We don't have a full-time fire department
[1:53:36] and we do have an in-house able service under contract.
[1:53:44] The thing that worries me is this fast guard thing
[1:53:49] starts snowballing into something that's not intended to be,
[1:53:53] it's intended to be a backup.
[1:53:55] A case of us needs help
[1:53:57] or needs can't get here
[1:53:59] for some particular reason quick enough.
[1:54:01] And your guys are, people are available if we,
[1:54:04] if it starts getting beyond that, you know,
[1:54:07] I think we're talking 20 to 25 calls a year when we first
[1:54:10] talked about this way back start gets beyond that,
[1:54:14] then it starts getting more expense to the taxpayers.
[1:54:18] And many times it may not be needed.
[1:54:21] I mean if it's needed it's good,
[1:54:23] but if it, every time you know, the toner goes off,
[1:54:26] you get three, four firefighters show up,
[1:54:28] they get the ambulance show up
[1:54:29] and they might not need more than two people there.
[1:54:31] So that's, that's what bothers me about the thing,
[1:54:33] if it's really needed or not.
[1:54:37] And I think like looking at some of that,
[1:54:39] although some of those numbers of that call list
[1:54:41] for this year, I just looked it is not completely accurate.
[1:54:43] But so a lot of them being motor vehicle accidents,
[1:54:46] the fire departments aren't gonna go.
[1:54:47] So they have that extra medical training and they get there
[1:54:49] before the ambulance gets there.
[1:54:50] That just helps that patient.
[1:54:53] So I mean I feel like, you know, them having extra training,
[1:54:57] even buyers and bcs would be great.
[1:55:01] And then I, the occasional medical call, again,
[1:55:05] it's probably gonna be that cardiac arrest
[1:55:08] or a a massive, you know, mi
[1:55:11] but we, for the most part,
[1:55:13] I feel like the calls are the motor vehicle accidents,
[1:55:15] the fire, the assist and the cardiac arrest.
[1:55:19] Hey Dave. Yeah.
[1:55:21] And to Marie's point, the town's gonna see no additional
[1:55:23] expense on any of the motor vehicle crashes or fires
[1:55:25] 'cause the fire farms aren't going anywhere.
[1:55:27] So that's gonna be a wash as far as the labor goes
[1:55:30] because they're, they're already going on the call
[1:55:34] And we just just like get rid of the pass bottle together.
[1:55:38] They're still gonna be asked to go. It's really not.
[1:55:43] It's gonna probably be the same.
[1:55:45] So when it relates to the medical situation,
[1:55:49] the fire department is very aware that
[1:55:52] Mary town is in charge of that situation.
[1:55:55] And if it's fire situation significant, you know,
[1:55:58] the fire department, the guys work together on it work,
[1:56:01] but just not try to,
[1:56:04] sometimes you get too many cooks in the kitchen
[1:56:06] and things. Something
[1:56:08] I'm not aware about that one.
[1:56:09] And I work pretty well together
[1:56:12] and we, so I'm not, you guys will make your decisions.
[1:56:16] Just two quick things to say.
[1:56:20] If your decision is to put the passcode under the fire
[1:56:23] department, William, you and I can sit down
[1:56:24] and come up with, you know, what
[1:56:26] that response looks like if the board wants to see it.
[1:56:31] I am hopeful that you're making a decision tonight
[1:56:33] because, so I'm, yes, I'm the, the director of very tiny US
[1:56:37] but I'm also the district six chair
[1:56:40] and we've got 16 days
[1:56:43] to get the relicense application in.
[1:56:45] So it's not something that can wait until October.
[1:56:49] And if it's gonna continue, we, you guys are gonna have
[1:56:52] to do, I would suggest you do a,
[1:56:57] a town ended department merger
[1:57:00] because a new license
[1:57:02] for the fire fire department is going back through all the
[1:57:07] notice and all that stuff
[1:57:09] that I really don't think is necessary.
[1:57:11] I think if you merge the departments on the town end,
[1:57:14] add fire to the license that goes to the state,
[1:57:16] I think we'll be okay if you choose go,
[1:57:20] I think it'd be a great thing
[1:57:21] to combine yourself as a taxpayer.
[1:57:30] That easy. I can all,
[1:57:33] So just taking this all in, I'm seeing kind of
[1:57:39] separate issues within the one issue, you know,
[1:57:42] the other communication piece
[1:57:43] and you guys figuring out when, you know,
[1:57:46] you would call the fast quo stuff,
[1:57:47] but as, as far as this in general goes budget wise, right?
[1:57:51] 12,000, they've never even used, they used about
[1:57:54] maybe 30% of their budget each year.
[1:57:56] So it's not much as somebody who deals
[1:58:01] with volunteers quite a bit with youth sports, I,
[1:58:06] I don't see, and I understand everybody else's view as far
[1:58:09] as right, you get people that wanna gung-ho let's go
[1:58:12] and then six months down the road it fizzles out.
[1:58:15] But I don't see the, the harm in, if we have
[1:58:18] to meet back here in a year and it fizzles out
[1:58:20] and we say, okay, well now we gotta shut it down.
[1:58:22] Well we had another year of some extra help
[1:58:25] and maybe some lives saved for really no additional cost.
[1:58:32] I, I don't see any harm.
[1:58:34] And especially if you have 14 people that say, Hey I want
[1:58:36] to do this, why would we say, well no,
[1:58:39] we don't want you to do that.
[1:58:42] So I, I'm all for giving this opportunity
[1:58:45] to the fire department of being able to give this a try.
[1:58:48] And again, if we give them a year and we come back
[1:58:51] and we get the yep, hey look you're only responding
[1:58:55] to 15% of the calls, you know what's going on?
[1:59:00] Then we just take it from there
[1:59:02] and we say, well we're gonna shut it down now,
[1:59:04] but you know, if for the next six months it works great
[1:59:07] and they respond to a hundred percent of the calls
[1:59:09] and there is that one CPR person
[1:59:11] they get to and they save their life.
[1:59:12] That's worth it in my opinion.
[1:59:16] So I mean the other stuff,
[1:59:17] hopefully you guys can figure that stuff out.
[1:59:21] I think me personally, once you guys do figure out yes when
[1:59:24] the ambulances are here, once you get that agreement,
[1:59:27] I would be interested to see it.
[1:59:30] I don't know if the rest of the board would like to see it
[1:59:32] as well, but I'd like at least just to look at it so we kind
[1:59:35] of all are on the same page
[1:59:37] and I would like to thank you guys
[1:59:39] 'cause I've had calls to my house for the ambulance
[1:59:42] and they've been there on time.
[1:59:44] They've been just fantastic.
[1:59:48] So I appreciate the work of, of all the,
[1:59:51] the service members, fire department, everybody,
[1:59:54] everybody that does that stuff.
[1:59:56] So thank you for what you guys do. I appreciate it a lot.
[1:59:59] Tyler. Again, I'm gonna stay out
[2:00:04] of the agreement portion, but
[2:00:05] as a selectman I think it would be the best
[2:00:08] to have the select board agree upon the agreement
[2:00:11] and actually make it like a standard operating guideline
[2:00:15] or a, you know, you know what EMTs have to follow
[2:00:20] for protocols just so it's not an, you know,
[2:00:24] under table written agreement.
[2:00:26] I think it needs to be shown that the slick court says yes
[2:00:29] if there's a call that Barry Town is not in this town,
[2:00:32] the Fast squad needs to be dispatched
[2:00:34] because I, what has happened, I do believe in the past,
[2:00:37] and I could be incorrect, you can say your name to this.
[2:00:41] Like again, she brought the example, I was not at
[2:00:43] that motorcycle accident myself, but we have a fast squad.
[2:00:46] It was in the middle of town, not even dispatched again.
[2:00:50] He said there's two cardiac arrests in Williamstown
[2:00:53] that were life saves, which is amazing,
[2:00:56] but the Fast squad should have still been called for that.
[2:00:59] And I, I explained this
[2:01:00] to the fire department when we were discussing this,
[2:01:02] right when I started in, in,
[2:01:06] in my previous city when we had a cardiac arrest,
[2:01:09] the old school method was an ambulance
[2:01:11] and an engine, which could be four to five people.
[2:01:15] When the new protocols came out a few years ago,
[2:01:17] it's now two engines or three engines and two people.
[2:01:21] Now I don't know if my previous employer has the new modern
[2:01:23] technology, but if that battery dies backup.
[2:01:27] Well, I'm just saying though, to, and,
[2:01:29] and to bring in the DART perspective,
[2:01:33] we just had dart train here, what, two,
[2:01:35] three months ago, somewhere around there.
[2:01:37] They unfortunately it rained every day.
[2:01:39] So the helicopter didn't land,
[2:01:41] but one of dart's something that that organization says,
[2:01:46] call us if we turn around because you don't need us.
[2:01:49] We're absolutely fine with that.
[2:01:51] But especially with the helicopter,
[2:01:54] if we call 20 minutes past when we thought we needed them,
[2:01:57] they have to check the helicopter.
[2:01:58] They have, they going, same with calling a fast squad,
[2:02:01] it's better to have someone get dispatched
[2:02:04] and then say, oh we're good and then it's safer.
[2:02:08] But the FAS squad's not gonna get called out
[2:02:11] if they're Correct.
[2:02:12] Correct. No, what I'm saying is that's what you just said.
[2:02:14] No, I'm saying if they are not in town,
[2:02:17] the Fast Squad needs to be called. Right.
[2:02:20] Well that's where we talk. What I'm, that needs
[2:02:22] to be written on paper because I think
[2:02:24] that was supposedly the idea
[2:02:25] originally and it has not happened.
[2:02:27] Right. And I know that this one recently they were in town
[2:02:29] and that and but it, the way it came across
[2:02:32] that there was multiple people
[2:02:34] and so we originally talked a couple years ago about like if
[2:02:37] they know it's gonna be multiple,
[2:02:39] potentially multiple people calling the just, you know,
[2:02:42] it said hand while they waited for their other to come in.
[2:02:44] You know, it's the middle of the day during weekdays
[2:02:46] and they have extra ambulances.
[2:02:48] Okay. They, but it could have just been another
[2:02:50] body to help they,
[2:02:51] Yeah.
[2:02:52] So the the document we're talking about is an operational
[2:02:54] letter of agreement that it has to be written between the,
[2:02:57] the transporting entity and first one
[2:02:58] that goes with a license.
[2:03:00] So we can write that out.
[2:03:02] It goes to the state and then you guys come out the court
[2:03:07] Clayton.
[2:03:08] Yes, yes. Thank you for that clarification.
[2:03:12] That takes care of one part of it
[2:03:16] personally and as a i for the town people, any better,
[2:03:20] any person that can be saved with, with,
[2:03:23] I don't care if it's Marie or David's crew or whoever
[2:03:26] or the volunteers on the fire department.
[2:03:28] Fantastic. If you're willing to take it over, which you are
[2:03:32] and, and your members are perfect, I my suggestion
[2:03:37] and give it a year, jump on board,
[2:03:41] get this thing done quarterly.
[2:03:43] I like this. Thank you. Bring that up question.
[2:03:48] Bring it to us quarterly so we can see what,
[2:03:51] what's being done, who's responding.
[2:03:53] And, and in a year we can come back, say, hey, it,
[2:03:55] it is working or it's not, it's either gonna work or,
[2:03:58] or it's not plain and simple,
[2:03:59] but it's worth it to me to give it this one year try.
[2:04:04] And if it doesn't squash it, then, then it's all up today
[2:04:08] and that you ain't gonna be here.
[2:04:10] Hey, I'm still, I'm still, I'm still here today.
[2:04:12] Neither I can I add to that but that's, that's coming out.
[2:04:16] I mean it's, I'm not gonna throw it to the wind.
[2:04:19] You know what, it's worth it.
[2:04:21] I'd just like to add to that.
[2:04:23] I, I would like to see the Fast Squad keep
[2:04:26] their own record as well.
[2:04:27] 'cause I'm hearing that this isn't
[2:04:29] exactly what you remember.
[2:04:31] February marked dates in my record
[2:04:34] and looking back at some of the recent ones
[2:04:37] that aren't in my spreadsheet, I do know two
[2:04:39] of those NBCs work to the interstate.
[2:04:41] So our, we've asked our membership not
[2:04:43] to drive their person availables
[2:04:44] to the interstate, so that makes sense.
[2:04:46] We we wouldn't go to those. Yep.
[2:04:47] Two of those that say nobody's responded, I actually went.
[2:04:51] So, so I just think that, I don't know. Yeah.
[2:04:54] So, so that's why I'm saying it'd be nice to have,
[2:04:56] they keep the records, right?
[2:04:58] You, you're Fast Squad, you've done the call,
[2:05:00] you fill out the, you whatever, you have a template,
[2:05:03] you both fill it out
[2:05:04] and then you can, when we get our,
[2:05:07] whatever we decide if we do this quarterly, annually,
[2:05:09] whatever it is, we can look at it both and say, hey, what's
[2:05:13] I think that's from dispatch not, yeah.
[2:05:15] Oh, okay. No, that's from dispatch.
[2:05:17] And to answer your question, Cody, every,
[2:05:19] the fire department uses,
[2:05:21] the reason I'm looking at my phone is I have multiple phone
[2:05:23] apps that involve the fire department,
[2:05:26] but we use a new program called First Do So any
[2:05:29] call the fire department does.
[2:05:31] So these would be the same with the Fast Box,
[2:05:33] it's gonna be part of the fire department.
[2:05:34] Those would be part of first due also Siren is
[2:05:38] where the medical reports are done. So you would have two
[2:05:40] Shouldn't be doing that.
[2:05:41] This is me calling Berry City dispatch. Okay.
[2:05:43] Because they were the ones dispatching, again,
[2:05:45] if you see on the sheet, there was at least three calls
[2:05:47] that were accidental dispatches.
[2:05:49] So someone at Berry City accidentally hit the button
[2:05:52] and put the time in and time out and they were aware
[2:05:56] Of that.
[2:05:57] Well that, that's all, that's all fine.
[2:05:58] But it, it, it gives clarification for
[2:06:01] who actually been toned out just
[2:06:03] to help William on his, on his people.
[2:06:05] I won't say guys or girls
[2:06:07] because there's both on the fire department going
[2:06:11] and as a Fast Squad member, you know,
[2:06:14] you know who's showing up and who's not.
[2:06:16] And you know what, whether they get turned back
[2:06:18] or not, it's still a go.
[2:06:19] They, they're and, and, you know, going for it.
[2:06:22] So that's, that's my thought.
[2:06:24] Oh yeah. Still
[2:06:27] Before you guys then I'll, I'll shut up after this, but
[2:06:30] before you guys make your your decision, I'm,
[2:06:33] I'm gonna be upfront and honest
[2:06:34] and open with you all that I have full intentions of,
[2:06:40] you know, if it goes through to join
[2:06:42] and I know we could all go back and,
[2:06:45] and look at the start of this and you know,
[2:06:49] and I've argued that fire department shouldn't go
[2:06:52] to lift assist the whole nine yards.
[2:06:54] I've argued against it,
[2:06:58] but when somebody you know, is waiting for an ambulance
[2:07:02] or you're watching a 90-year-old couple
[2:07:05] sit down on the porch for 17 minutes waiting for
[2:07:09] an ambulance and the cold weather, it, it that, that's
[2:07:13] where it started to bothering me
[2:07:15] to turn my support the other way.
[2:07:18] So I mean we, we can, we can all sit there
[2:07:20] and say that, you know,
[2:07:22] at one point I was against the fire department doing this,
[2:07:27] but with that said, I, you know, if it comes
[2:07:30] to the fire department, I have full intentions of,
[2:07:33] of joining, overseeing it administratively,
[2:07:37] making sure people are holding up their end of it going,
[2:07:41] you know, saying they're doing
[2:07:42] what they're saying going to the training.
[2:07:45] But I would put somebody else in charge
[2:07:48] of overseeing the operations.
[2:07:50] So the fast log working with David and,
[2:07:54] and doing that, I have, I do, I do gotta get to a point
[2:07:59] where I say I take it on enough and personally
[2:08:03] and professionally.
[2:08:05] So I sit here
[2:08:07] and give you my word that I would do everything I can
[2:08:10] to see it through
[2:08:11] and make sure it's held to, to the expectations
[2:08:16] that I'm telling you all tonight.
[2:08:19] But somebody else operations would be making sure that,
[2:08:24] making sure a good training is put on making sure it's set
[2:08:28] to go, making sure stuff is stocked up and plain
[2:08:32] and simple that we are doing everything we can
[2:08:37] to be on the same track with them.
[2:08:40] Not looking to overstep Berry town
[2:08:43] that I fully agree they are the medical professionals,
[2:08:48] it's their job.
[2:08:49] We're just there to help until they get there.
[2:08:54] You know, I'm not, I'm not looking
[2:08:56] to start an ambulance service, so I just, just
[2:09:01] doing what I can to help.
[2:09:03] But I wanted to be honest that I'm not, I'm not gonna be,
[2:09:08] you know, as high up involved as I am like
[2:09:13] with the fire department.
[2:09:17] Well I wanna be honest with you as well, I mean,
[2:09:21] I started on a slug board back in 2008.
[2:09:23] The Eble was an issue back then as never changed.
[2:09:27] And I got off it for a few years.
[2:09:29] I got back on, the first thing we were hit
[2:09:31] with is the ambulance thing again.
[2:09:33] And then we did this fast, hard thing.
[2:09:35] And the track record, to be honest with you,
[2:09:38] with the ambulance is not good.
[2:09:40] I mean, I mean, bar down was responded to over 30%
[2:09:43] of the calls when we finally had enough
[2:09:46] and we did what we did
[2:09:48] and many people didn't think
[2:09:49] we did the right thing at the time.
[2:09:50] But is, I've seen nothing yet that,
[2:09:53] that I would've would change my mind from the decision
[2:09:55] we made at that time.
[2:09:58] I know Cody's knew what this, he wasn't around at that time
[2:10:01] and, but I do think it's worth a shot
[2:10:06] and as long as you guys work together on it, I did like
[2:10:10] Tyler's idea about gonna establish some kind of protocol.
[2:10:13] So I just, I just, I just can't say this enough.
[2:10:18] We, we need to keep this under control.
[2:10:20] We don't need to be growing into competition between
[2:10:23] Fast Squad and Barry Town
[2:10:25] because we get a good thing going with Barry Town.
[2:10:27] We cannot have our own service,
[2:10:31] cost us like a million dollars to do what we got with them
[2:10:34] for like 240 or 50, somewhere that range.
[2:10:39] I mean it's just, that's the facts.
[2:10:41] We went through all the numbers
[2:10:43] and William and I talked about it.
[2:10:44] You talked to somebody in Woodstock or something
[2:10:46] and recently gone through it and Yeah.
[2:10:49] You know what the numbers are. I'm not, I'm, I'm on.
[2:10:52] We, we, we can't, we don't cost town a million dollars more
[2:10:55] than we're spending right now
[2:10:56] and it probably wouldn't be any different service
[2:10:59] than what we've got right now.
[2:11:00] So, but we don't wanna go down that road.
[2:11:03] I mean, I'm, I'm not against it.
[2:11:05] I just, I just don't wanna see the thing get outta control
[2:11:09] and I wanna make sure it all works smooth between you guys.
[2:11:11] Yeah.
[2:11:13] Paper Chuck, myself, just commenting off of what,
[2:11:18] you know, all the problems we've had with the ambulance
[2:11:21] over the years, but think of where the fire department was.
[2:11:25] 2000 court scene.
[2:11:28] Only three members that were willing to come.
[2:11:32] Now I got it up to, to almost 20 now,
[2:11:37] so I guess I just asked, give a, gimme a chance to take my,
[2:11:41] take my turn with it
[2:11:42] and I guess you said a year, September 15, 27th.
[2:11:47] If I let the pound down, I'll do the first one to admit
[2:11:54] This deal waves in my mind a whole lot less than
[2:11:56] that did when it, I, I,
[2:12:00] I do, I do agree with Dave that it should be part
[2:12:02] of the PMS.
[2:12:04] The password should become under the
[2:12:06] fire department umbrella.
[2:12:08] The licensing and everything.
[2:12:10] That was your assist. You mention the licenses
[2:12:13] and it should be all part of it.
[2:12:16] They're Gonna, it don't work. It don't work.
[2:12:18] If we go forward with this thing, they're gonna have
[2:12:20] to figure it out but make it work between themselves.
[2:12:23] Oh yeah. Without that legal, they're not gonna, so he knows
[2:12:27] The state's aware that we,
[2:12:28] there's a meeting today and told
[2:12:31] Off.
[2:12:32] You'll just have to, I can work with Ryan
[2:12:34] where the town will just have to merge whatever the
[2:12:38] municipal excuse operation is
[2:12:41] to merge the two departments together will be easier
[2:12:45] if you say it is now the town of Williamstown
[2:12:49] Fire Department and Squa
[2:12:51] or something like that to make it one department
[2:12:53] easier on the licensing end.
[2:12:57] We can work with 'em figure. Ellen,
[2:12:58] do you need any assistance walking out?
[2:13:02] Scott, you have nothing? Nope.
[2:13:06] So I guess we would have to have a motion that we
[2:13:11] make motion in favor of moving the fast squad coopered in
[2:13:16] with the fire department under the skylight,
[2:13:19] under the management of the fire chief.
[2:13:21] Right? Is that right William?
[2:13:24] I'm sorry. There was
[2:13:25] The motion.
[2:13:26] We're trying to come up with a motion
[2:13:27] that we would make a motion to move
[2:13:30] to move the current fast squad under the authorization
[2:13:34] of the fire department under your, you be the head
[2:13:38] of it at this point.
[2:13:40] That sound reasonable? Yep. Yes. I'll make that motion.
[2:13:45] We'll hear a second. Second. A motion May 2nd.
[2:13:48] Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.
[2:13:53] Opposed? Good luck. I hope it all works out.
[2:13:58] I really do. Well on here. Thank you.
[2:14:02] Thank you all. Yeah.
[2:14:05] Thanks everyone for coming in for this civil discussion.
[2:14:08] Always works better in civil. Okay.
[2:14:13] There's no old business round table. Tyler?
[2:14:16] Nothing for me, Scott. Good, Clayton, I'm good.
[2:14:21] This next second, motion to adjourn.
[2:14:24] Make a motion to adjourn. Second. A motion. Motion May 2nd.
[2:14:27] All in favor? Aye. Aye.